Tomas Kaberle Traded To Boston For Joe Colborne And First Rounder
by PPP on Feb 18, 2011 3:50 PM EST
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PrintIt is official: Tomas Kaberle has been traded to the Boston Bruins for Joe Colborne, a 2011 first rounder, and a conditional second rounder in 2012. The second rounder will go to the Leafs if the Bruins make the Stanley Cup Final (gross) or if Tomas Kaberle re-signs in Boston (sigh). Joe Colborne was the Bruins first round pick in 2008 16th overall joining Luke Schenn (fifth overall) and Jake Gardiner (17th overall) as draft picks from that year in the Leafs' system. You can read more about Joe Colborne in Chemmy's front page post.
As for Tomas Kaberle, I cannot do justice to the man. I was part of the contingent of fans that have spent the past two plus seasons agitating for him to be traded, disparaging his will to win because he wouldn't leave, and cursing Brian Burke for not using the two summer periods to move him for something. Well, we got our wish and I don't know about others but I feel pretty empty right now. The Leafs lost their last link to the never quite strong enough pre-lockout teams that came so close to breaking through to the final. The franchise has also lost the last active player to play at Maple Leaf Gardens. He was also the 11th on the Maple Leafs’ all-time points list with 520 points, eighth in games played with 878, fifth in assists (437) and second in regular season overtime goals (7). Among the pantheon of Leafs defencemen he stands astride as a colossus beside all-time greats Tim Horton and Borje Salming.
Tomas Kaberle's most loyal fan Eyebleaf will be giving him the send off that he deserves. After the jump, more analysis!
After two years of maddening play which I attributed to fallout from Cam Janssen's filthy hit, he developed a strong partnership with Luke Schenn. You could see the young Leafs defenceman increased confidence in handling the puck more with every passing game. He frequently referred to Tomas Kaberle as his mentor. Kaberle's defensive game, while never the best, improved alongside the steady Schenn. Offensively, he returned to the perch that Leafs fans had always insisted he held: an elite puck moving defenceman. He currently sits seventh in points among defenceman and fourth in assists. He is moving from the 27th ranked offence and the 22nd ranked powerplay to the fifth ranked offence and 14th ranked powerplay. His numbers will probably improve.
As for Brian Burke, this is the second move in a week that nets the Maple Leafs a first rounder. The additions of Joe Colborne and Jake Gardiner to Nazem Kadri and Luke Schenn give the Leafs four first rounders from the last 3 drafts with two more likely coming this summer. As Down Goes Brown noted, Burke should be commended for getting his asking price. This return for Kaberle is precisely what he has been asking for for the past two years: a top-tier prospect and a first round pick. I certainly wanted him to move him last summer rather than risk losing him for nothing but Burke has shut the both of us up. His patience was rewarded even as myself and others clamoured for him to take packages like Ryan Malone and a pick.
In terms of winners and losers, it would be easy for me to note that the Bruins gave up two first rounders for Kaberle and make a snarky remark about the Kessel deal. The reality is, as I and many others have said before, there are five questions marks involved in these two trades and it will take time to determine the impact that each will have on their respective teams. Today, the Leafs' future has added two more quality possibilities. Boston's first rounder joins Philadelphia's in being later in the draft but it gives Burke something to work with. Unlike with the Kris Versteeg trade Burke moved an asset that had no future with the club. According to most reports, neither side was interested in extending the relationship. The Maple Leafs are worse off right now on paper but it remains to be seen how the team will fill the gaps alongside Luke Schenn and on the top powerplay unit. Burke still has assets to play with and players could get promoted from within the organization. Right now, the big worry is that we're going to see more Brett Lebda.
As for Boston, they've addressed one of their biggest needs. Kaberle instantly improves the Bruins' defensive corps on paper. Trom an offensive standpoint it's clear what he brings to the table and based on how poorly they've done at limiting shots he won't hurt them defensively. With Tim Thomas and Tuukka Rask backstopping him he'll likely see his defensive stats improve as well. While I wish Kaberle the best individually I hope that he helps them as much as Alex Ponikarovsky helped the Penguins last year.
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Congrat to Burke for bending over Chiarelli.
Didn’t think Chia would, but he certainly did with this one. Got to applaud Burke, I guess.
Thank You Tomas
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SHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
OOOOORE gonna miss ya Kabs.
"I’ve been studying this and I’m pretty sure this is how it breaks down: 'You are allowed one team: The Leafs. In some cases, you can also root for a second team: The Leafs'"
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One of my fondest memories was yelling SHOOOOOT at Kaberle, just to be a jerk.
I’m gonna miss the rosy-cheeked sonofabitch.
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by theninjagreg on Feb 18, 2011 5:06 PM EST up reply actions
We’re here for you buddy.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 18, 2011 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
I’m watching the Bruins game tonight… Wow. Didn’t think I’d miss him, especially not with that return but…
GWWWHAAAA!
by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Feb 18, 2011 4:10 PM EST reply actions
Can I have a link for Burky's press confence
If you can't pay em' trade em' and pay for someone else
Thanks!
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by Gary Roberts: Baby Eater on Feb 18, 2011 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
Poor guy
that asks stupid questions.
Burke ate him alive.
GWWWHAAAA!
by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Feb 18, 2011 4:47 PM EST up reply actions
Oh man, that was hilarious.
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by Gary Roberts: Baby Eater on Feb 18, 2011 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
oh god, i hope that poll isnt because of somethin i said in the kaberle appreciation thread
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"
Ha ha, it was nice knowing ya.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 18, 2011 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
im scared
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"
by Matt_Roberts on Feb 18, 2011 4:22 PM EST up reply actions
i should mention that I didnt vote “ban me”
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"
by Matt_Roberts on Feb 18, 2011 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
You son of a bitch!
Kulemin so hot right now, Kulemin.
I'm giving Twitter another go
by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 18, 2011 4:49 PM EST up reply actions
I said DIDNT!
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by Matt_Roberts on Feb 18, 2011 4:49 PM EST up reply actions
Regardless!
Kulemin so hot right now, Kulemin.
I'm giving Twitter another go
by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 18, 2011 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
By the way, those two years of “maddening play”: 139 gp, 80 points for .58 ppg.
His career average is .59 ppg. The three previous years were truly stellar, so I get where you’re coming from, but he has been amazingly consistent considering the injury.
"I’ve been studying this and I’m pretty sure this is how it breaks down: 'You are allowed one team: The Leafs. In some cases, you can also root for a second team: The Leafs'"
-Cornelius Hardenbergh
I agree, a little empty, but necessary. Kind of like putting down your suffering dog.
Also, three failures in life voted; “I want to be banned!”. Shame on them.
As a Toronto sports fan I proudly follow the lessons of lachrymology.
We could go down to the pound and get a new Elite Offensive Defensemen, eh?
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 18, 2011 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
So what you’re saying is that I should react exactly how I did when my parents had to put down our childhood dog? Buy a 40 of scotch, order a bunch of unhealthy takeout, and rent some violent action movies?
Can I steal your response?
"I’ve been studying this and I’m pretty sure this is how it breaks down: 'You are allowed one team: The Leafs. In some cases, you can also root for a second team: The Leafs'"
-Cornelius Hardenbergh
The best part about something like this is listening to the fallout on the radio
One guy is getting reemed out right now
the fallout on the radio is so maddening, i had to turn it off
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by Matt_Roberts on Feb 18, 2011 4:23 PM EST up reply actions
Farewell Tomas
I will miss your weird muppet-speak.
Glad
to see a decent return on Kaberle… not amazingly upset he’s gone… great Leaf, but I think this is probably the most we could have gotten for him as an asset of decreasing value that is leaving no matter what at the end of the year either way.
Great trade by Burke.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
is he a slam dunk to get his number in the rafters in your opinion?
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by Matt_Roberts on Feb 18, 2011 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
he certainly should be
he’s one of the top 10 D in team history.
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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 18, 2011 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
2nd in points behind Salming… Gotta be a rafta’ man.
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by happiergilmore on Feb 18, 2011 4:27 PM EST up reply actions
Top 10 D
I’m not completely convinced of this (though I said it myself elsewhere), and I don’t think he should be a slam dunk for the rafters. There are others I’d put there first.
Sounds like a post I’ll have to put together over the next week or so.
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Now in year 44 of the 42-year saga.
You're not convinced?
look at this list of Leafs D who have played over 500 games… there’s only 12 of them in team History. Kaberle is 3rd in games played, and 2nd in points.
It’s pretty hard to argue he isn’t in the top 10 all time for the club.
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by Steve Burtch on Feb 18, 2011 6:17 PM EST up reply actions
woops
forgot linkage.
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by Steve Burtch on Feb 18, 2011 6:18 PM EST up reply actions
he's
4th all time in PP goals, and 4th all time in ES goals. 2nd in assists and points.
How is he NOT top 10?
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by Steve Burtch on Feb 18, 2011 6:19 PM EST up reply actions
I can do it pretty easily.
Games played and points scored are both a function of era. If Kaberle is top 10, I’d put him near the bottom.
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he's 3rd
ALL TIME… in games played… who would you put ahead of him?
Horton, Baun, Salming, and who else?
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by Steve Burtch on Feb 18, 2011 6:21 PM EST up reply actions
even if you just based it on seasons
he was here for 12 … that’s shorter amount of time than Salming’s 15, or Horton’s 20…
But he’s 3rd in points per game… which sort of invalidates the “function of era” argument.
You can also examine his adjusted stats on hockey-reference – which adjust for era… if you want to go there.
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by Steve Burtch on Feb 18, 2011 6:23 PM EST up reply actions
Kaberle
had 6 seasons of 50+ points if you deal with the adjusted numbers.
Salming also had 6 seasons of 50+ points… his best years were better… but from a longevity stand point I don’t know that you could make a great argument that he lasted longer.
You could throw Turnbull’s name in there for the single season record in points.
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by Steve Burtch on Feb 18, 2011 6:25 PM EST up reply actions
Remember too that it’s not just points on the board. If you’re saying ‘best defenseman,’ it’s the total package.
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ok well
the only way Kaberle enters the discussion is for his offensive game… Mats Sundin wouldn’t be considered one of the Leafs best defensive centres of all time… he’s in the discussion because he scored so much.
To make it about something OTHER than points at this juncture sort of takes away the focus from what Kaberle was best at… which in some ways makes me feel like it’s a minimizing of his skills.
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by Steve Burtch on Feb 18, 2011 6:33 PM EST up reply actions
But he’s 3rd in points per game… which sort of invalidates the "function of era" argument.
No it doesn’t.
Points per game is still a function of era. Even when normalized, it still doesn’t account for style of play, which did a lot for defensive scoring.
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Now in year 44 of the 42-year saga.
if you get into an era argument
then you’re turning it into an apples vs. oranges type debate. Obviously the role of D men has changed in the NHL since it’s inception.
Just ignore the era issue and look at the impact of the players on the team and the NHL.
Kaberle was obviously the Leafs best offensive D man for over a decade. He was one of the best offensive D men in the NHL for over a decade. That’s gotta be worth something, particularly in a 30 team rather than 6 or 12 team NHL.
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by Steve Burtch on Feb 18, 2011 6:35 PM EST up reply actions
But when you say “best ever,” you create precisely that apples and oranges argument. This is a very old team. Ever is a REALLY long time.
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yeah I guess
I still think he should be in the top 10… he’s in the top 3 or 4 post expansion as far as I can tell.
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by Steve Burtch on Feb 18, 2011 6:53 PM EST up reply actions
in the running:
Horton, Salming, Thomson, Day, Clancy, Cameron, Horner, Stanley, Pratt (maybe), Turnbull, Mortson, I’d have to look.
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Off that list
I’d look at Horton, Salming, Clancy, Turnbull… maybe Pratt… I’m not sure I’d include Day, Cameron, Horner, or Mortson.
Horner only played 11 years, and never had over 24 points in a 47 game season. He was never really much above a 0.5 ppg player offensively. Also only won one Stanley Cup in a 6 team NHL.
Day played 14 years, he had 2 great seasons, both of which saw him play less than 30 games (he was under 0.5 ppg in the other 12). He only won one Stanley Cup in a 6 team NHL.
I’d have to look into the other two…
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by Steve Burtch on Feb 18, 2011 6:32 PM EST up reply actions
Horner never played in a six-team NHL, nor did Day. PPG is irrelevant. Look at them in the context of their peers.
Cameron was one of the most significanmt rushers of his era. Kabs?
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wait
Horner and Day played on the St Patricks right? So that was what… 8 team?
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by Steve Burtch on Feb 18, 2011 6:53 PM EST up reply actions
you wouldn't
say Kaberle was one of the most significant rushers of his era?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
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by Steve Burtch on Feb 18, 2011 6:54 PM EST up reply actions
I grew up watching Turnbull play, he’s nowhere near the D-man Kaberle was on either side of the puck.
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oh another thing
I think we’re not recognizing… international level of esteem… Kaberle is the Captain of the Czech team after Jagr leaves that role… that’s pretty damn significant… just like Mats was captain of the Swedish team.
That’s basically like saying the Czech republic establishment thinks he’s their next most important player after Jagr and Hasek… that’s pretty serious praise I think.
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by Steve Burtch on Feb 18, 2011 7:00 PM EST up reply actions
Just to chime in – and not a Kabby-hater, BTW – but…
- Alan Stanley was a defensive machine. He’s HOF, 3 All-Star teams and 7 All-Star games and… he not only won Cups, he was strong in the Playoffs.
- King Clancy retired as the leading scoring defenceman of – at that point – All-time. Considered one of the NHL greats of all-time as well.
- Hap Day wasn’t bad either.
- Bobby Baun was a beast back there. And the broken leg story kinda puts him in the Legends, forver.
- And Ian Turnbull was a major talent. 5 goals in a game. 22 goals in a year. +47 in 1977. And we never saw him past age 28, because he played under morons, and then got busted. People thought he was soft – like Kabby – but he was an offensive wizard.
He might sneak into the Top 10, All-Time … I’d probably agree to that. And Top 3 or 4 since expansion. Do we retire his number? I’d say “no.” Though no offense to a guy who stayed classy throughout some ugly times.
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by not norm ullman on Feb 18, 2011 7:38 PM EST up reply actions
How many of these guys did you see live? Turnbull is the only one on that list for me.
The first time I had the guts to get in a fight was with my grandfather who was badmouthing Turnbull and I felt the need to defend him…
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Lots of Baun, a bit of Stanley – but late in their career. A big family of Leaf fans though, who – this being the late 60’s and early 70’s growing up – endlessly compared the replacement defensemen to Horton, Stanley, Baun et al.
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by not norm ullman on Feb 18, 2011 10:57 PM EST up reply actions
Baun lived in my neighbourhood as a kid, but that was in the mid-70s. Never did see Horton play.
Have very fond memories of Salming though.
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Offensively, he was. For raw offense, I’d take Iafrate over Kaberle any day.
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That sounds like a great idea!
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 18, 2011 4:27 PM EST up reply actions
lol, no no. Im not looking for backup here, nor do i firmly beleive he SHOULDNT be, im just curious to see how people feel. Just throwing it out there thats all.
Statistically, no doubt he should be there, it just doesnt feel like he had the same kind of impact on the team and city like some of the other guys up there, thats all.
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by Matt_Roberts on Feb 18, 2011 4:29 PM EST up reply actions
Just giving you a hard time.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 18, 2011 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
hey, i deserve it for even asking.
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by Matt_Roberts on Feb 18, 2011 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
You mean
like winning a Cup? Wendel never won a cup, Mats never won a cup, Dougie never won a cup… they will all be up there… Kaberle is definitely one of the most important in team history… he’s up there with Salming for sure.
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by Steve Burtch on Feb 18, 2011 4:51 PM EST up reply actions
who said anything about a cup?
Guys like Wendel and Dougie and Mats set the city ablaze, never got quite the same feeling from kabs. Thats the only point im making, and Borje Salming was a 1st and 2nd team all star. Kabs is up there, dont get me wrong, but id say just a slight notch below those guys.
and ill give him my vote for his banner to be up there anyways, he does deserve it. i was just comparing him to his peers and trying to figure out if hes ahead of any of them really
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by Matt_Roberts on Feb 18, 2011 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
well
he did a pretty solid job on the blue line when the team was good in the 90’s… and the early 2000’s…
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
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by Steve Burtch on Feb 18, 2011 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
of course. I would never refute that
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by Matt_Roberts on Feb 18, 2011 4:56 PM EST up reply actions
I think what Matt is saying
Is that Mats, Gilmore, Wendel were all leaders. They were the face of the Leafs. Kaberle wasn’t. (I am not necessarily agreeing just trying to explain what I THINK he is saying)
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-Cornelius Hardenbergh
right
I think the distinction is that the team was reasonably good, and those guys made it so…
although in the case of Clark, I think you could argue he didn’t make the team good.
The team was actually atrocious for much of Clark’s time with the team.. he was just too injured to effect much change.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
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by Steve Burtch on Feb 18, 2011 5:04 PM EST up reply actions
Here’s a question – if Kaberle can play another 6-8 years, will 300+ points get him consideration for the Hall of Fame? It would take some further strong playoff performances, but he’s not far off and only 32.
"I’ve been studying this and I’m pretty sure this is how it breaks down: 'You are allowed one team: The Leafs. In some cases, you can also root for a second team: The Leafs'"
-Cornelius Hardenbergh
Pretty stunned at two first rounders coming back inside of a week.
"I’ve been studying this and I’m pretty sure this is how it breaks down: 'You are allowed one team: The Leafs. In some cases, you can also root for a second team: The Leafs'"
-Cornelius Hardenbergh
Four days between acquired (not just flipped) first-rounders.
Previous to these deals, we hadn’t acquired one for eighteen years.
"I’ve been studying this and I’m pretty sure this is how it breaks down: 'You are allowed one team: The Leafs. In some cases, you can also root for a second team: The Leafs'"
-Cornelius Hardenbergh
yanno what
I kinda hope we DON’T package them to move up… I want the Leafs to formally restock those “bare” cupboards we’ve heard about for years… just go and pick 11 guys and get the press to stfu.
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by Steve Burtch on Feb 18, 2011 4:32 PM EST up reply actions
Yea, I was just thinking that Burke wanted some stage time at the draft this year.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 18, 2011 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
The press would be giddy if we were able to bump one or both picks up in the 1st round.
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by happiergilmore on Feb 18, 2011 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
We have three picks between 20-40. Surely our extensive scouting staff can find a gem.
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-Cornelius Hardenbergh
Yeah
I’d actually like to draft… not trade… that’s just my take though… I know Burke wants to move them.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 18, 2011 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
If he sets his prices shrewdly, I’m actually fine with either direction, or a mix of both. The biggest asset he has provided the Leafs is flexibility.
"I’ve been studying this and I’m pretty sure this is how it breaks down: 'You are allowed one team: The Leafs. In some cases, you can also root for a second team: The Leafs'"
-Cornelius Hardenbergh
I’m with Burch on this, unless Burke can move WAY up in the draft (ie. top 5). Let’s look at it this way:
If Burke made a trade two weeks ago that sent Kris Versteeg and Tomas Kaberle to the same team, and in return got the 15th overall pick, Philly’s 3rd rounder, and a prospect, would anyone actually think that was a good trade? I know I sure wouldn’t.
by Draglikepull on Feb 18, 2011 7:22 PM EST up reply actions
LOL@TSN
I hope DGB writes a piece on how TSN can fill all the empty gaps in Tradecenter.
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there will be more trades
on trade deadline day… there’s just more trades early on.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
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by Steve Burtch on Feb 18, 2011 4:27 PM EST up reply actions
I seriously think
the Western conference teams are going to go fucking crazy with trades this year… hell they already are.
San Jose traded for White, Nashville landed Fisher, Chicago made moves… there’s still LA, Col, Minnesota, Phoenix
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
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by Steve Burtch on Feb 18, 2011 4:28 PM EST up reply actions
crazy
I love how it’s ramping up…. welcome back to the NHL TRADES!
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 18, 2011 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
Burke really did seem to get the ball rolling
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by Matt_Roberts on Feb 18, 2011 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
LA and Minny will probably make moves, I think Colorado is going to do an abrupt tank with their recent bad luck, Phoenix is a puzzle as always
I can also see dallas doing something big, especially if richards is concussed as they say
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 18, 2011 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
yeah
that would make sense… Dallas and Phoenix ownership situations cloud things with them for sure.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 18, 2011 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
also, if Dallas does make a big move (say adding Hemsky like is rumoured) Richards is not coming back
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Feb 18, 2011 4:31 PM EST up reply actions
yeah
they can’t afford both.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 18, 2011 4:46 PM EST up reply actions
wtf
was with that Brayden Schenn comment from?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 18, 2011 4:46 PM EST up reply actions
Just that all major prospects still have to compete in the pipe line
I am drinking the Kule-aid!
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yeah
but Brayden Schenn is in a dog fight for a job? With who? Brandon?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 18, 2011 4:54 PM EST up reply actions
he probably ment the NHL, or the AHL
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 18, 2011 4:54 PM EST up reply actions
I figured
I actually wonder if it was slip and he meant Luke.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 18, 2011 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
Can I just say
I called Colborne + Boston’s pick like 3 days ago? I know I offered numerous scenarios… but that was definitely one of them… and Colborne was my suggestion to move for when BCapp and I went over team’s with depth at C last week.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
Yeah after making that list of teams deep at C with a top C prospect, Colborne seemed like the most realistic acquisition. Great move by Burke.
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by happiergilmore on Feb 18, 2011 4:31 PM EST up reply actions
6'5"
213 lbs… he’s a skilled big man … want to see him develop some more though.
I’m liking the Marlies right now… Colborne, Kadri, Gysbers, Mueller, Holzer, Mikus, Scrivens
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 18, 2011 4:37 PM EST up reply actions
I REALLY hope him and Kadri mesh
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Feb 18, 2011 4:38 PM EST up reply actions
well
we actually have a solid stock of prospects… add in Aulie, D’Amigo, Blacker, McKegg, Ross, Rynnas, Gardiner… we’ve got a pretty decent prospect pool developing.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 18, 2011 4:41 PM EST up reply actions
But what has Burke done?
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 18, 2011 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
he doesn't
score enough goals… we should trade him.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 18, 2011 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
Aulie, McKegg, Ross, Rynnas Gardiner.
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by happiergilmore on Feb 18, 2011 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
NOTHIN MUCH
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by happiergilmore on Feb 18, 2011 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
I’m even comfortable with moving one or more in a package for a slightly older, more established player.
"I’ve been studying this and I’m pretty sure this is how it breaks down: 'You are allowed one team: The Leafs. In some cases, you can also root for a second team: The Leafs'"
-Cornelius Hardenbergh
Kadri – Colborne – Kessel
Hands, playmaker and sniper.
Could be a decent line down the road.
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by happiergilmore on Feb 18, 2011 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
I called Colborne + Boston’s pick like 3 days ago? I know I offered numerous scenarios…
So, even a blind squirrel?
No
it wasn’t THAT many … I was willing to talk about Marchand and Wheeler as realistic options (Wheeler was so realistic he was moved to Atlanta)…
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 18, 2011 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
I know this isn't specifically about Kabs
But my god do his teammates look so sad to see him go.
I can’t help but think that Kabs leaving is going to have terrible repercussions on the lot of them.
Dion Phaneuf: turning the tunes up since '10
I dunno
I like the fact that people will have to step the fuck up… this team is now virtually 95% Burke additions… we’ve only got Kulemin, Schenn, and Grabovski from pre-Burke.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 18, 2011 4:31 PM EST up reply actions
And Schenn barely, he was drafted the summer before Burke came in.
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by happiergilmore on Feb 18, 2011 4:32 PM EST up reply actions
None of them played before Cliff Fletcher came back, either, and he’s still part of the management team.
"I’ve been studying this and I’m pretty sure this is how it breaks down: 'You are allowed one team: The Leafs. In some cases, you can also root for a second team: The Leafs'"
-Cornelius Hardenbergh
Didn't Kulemin
I think he did?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 18, 2011 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
Kulemin did. His rookie season was when Burke arrived
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this is Kulemin's
3rd season… he was a rookie in 2008-09… so yeah when Fletcher came in. That said, JFJ had him signed to a contract and he was coming over before JFJ was gone.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 18, 2011 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
Yup, JFJ is almost to the point of having a good reputation for drafting round these parts.
"I’ve been studying this and I’m pretty sure this is how it breaks down: 'You are allowed one team: The Leafs. In some cases, you can also root for a second team: The Leafs'"
-Cornelius Hardenbergh
well
between Kulemin, Reimer, Gunnarsson, Holzer, Mikus… he’s not doing THAT bad.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 18, 2011 4:40 PM EST up reply actions
On Rask
If you trip over a gold nugget and then trade it to a homeless man for half a can of beans, I’m not giving you credit for finding the nugget.
"I’ve been studying this and I’m pretty sure this is how it breaks down: 'You are allowed one team: The Leafs. In some cases, you can also root for a second team: The Leafs'"
-Cornelius Hardenbergh
I disagree. He was a great drafter. He was an idiot for trading him away based on impatience but I don’t think that takes away from his ability
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for all we know
it wasn’t HIS impatience that led to the trade… he may have been told to sign a starting goalie to replace Belfour.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 18, 2011 5:05 PM EST up reply actions
I think this is accurate.
Kulemin so hot right now, Kulemin.
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by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 18, 2011 5:06 PM EST up reply actions
Either his impatience or non existent spine to stand up to the pressure from above.
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If your boss told you to find a way to make profits (or in JFJ’s case the playoffs) in a short amount of time, with your job in the balance, you’ll do just about anything.
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by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 18, 2011 5:09 PM EST up reply actions
are you honestly saying
he should have quit?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 18, 2011 5:13 PM EST up reply actions
if someone offered you the job to be GM of the Leafs
would you quit if they told you to get a starting goalie?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 18, 2011 5:13 PM EST up reply actions
No. I guess not. I am just not willing to excuse him for being a terrible GM just because he had pressure from above. He wasn’t a GM in anything but name
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throw in the fact that there were about a zillion better options than the mess he created….
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 18, 2011 5:16 PM EST up reply actions
yes
but again this is the fault of ownership… not JFJ.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 18, 2011 5:18 PM EST up reply actions
The “I LIKE BALLONS” stuff is hilarious, but many are starting to recognize that he was a shrewder guy than we gave him credit for.
My problem with his handling of the goalie situation remains; Burke may have struck out on both Monster and Giguere, but they cost nothing. You could make a serious offer for an all-star with what JFJ gave up for Raycroft and Toskala.
If this isn’t on him, if he honestly had no ability to set a price and say no to a bad deal, then Richard Peddie is even more of an expletive than I gave him credit for.
"I’ve been studying this and I’m pretty sure this is how it breaks down: 'You are allowed one team: The Leafs. In some cases, you can also root for a second team: The Leafs'"
-Cornelius Hardenbergh
I think left to his own devices we would’ve seen a much different team.
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by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 18, 2011 5:16 PM EST up reply actions
Forget being GM of the Leafs, would you walk away from the amount he was getting paid?!
Kulemin so hot right now, Kulemin.
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by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 18, 2011 5:15 PM EST up reply actions
This is the impression I get, sadly. I still think he is responsible for the atrocious prices he paid for both Rask and Toskala.
"I’ve been studying this and I’m pretty sure this is how it breaks down: 'You are allowed one team: The Leafs. In some cases, you can also root for a second team: The Leafs'"
-Cornelius Hardenbergh
Kulemin played his first game in 2008-2009; Cliff Fletcher named interim general manager January 22, 2008
"I’ve been studying this and I’m pretty sure this is how it breaks down: 'You are allowed one team: The Leafs. In some cases, you can also root for a second team: The Leafs'"
-Cornelius Hardenbergh
yeah
I recognized above…
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 18, 2011 4:40 PM EST up reply actions
Not exactly.
Reimer, Gunnarsson, Boyce, and some other Marlies (Finger, Mitchell, Mikus) are pre-Burke
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Burke promoted them to the NHL either way
and Gunnarsson was signed by Burke despite being drafted by JFJ…
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 18, 2011 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
i was thinking that today, im worried about a letdown and a horrible loss on saturday. Hopefully that doesnt happen
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"
by Matt_Roberts on Feb 18, 2011 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
Thank you Tomas Kaberle
For many years of service and being a great Maple Leaf. The embodiement of character, class, and a solid citizen.
You deserved a lot better than some people gave you…best of luck in Boston. You’ll be missed.
The Maple Leafs- making me certifiably insane since 1985.
Also
thank you for waiving that damn NMC unlike Mats… you’re now a step above for helping us on the way out like you did while you were here.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 18, 2011 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
i hate so much that Mats will have that tarnish his legacy…
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"
by Matt_Roberts on Feb 18, 2011 4:37 PM EST up reply actions
all is forgiven with Mats
haters to the left
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Feb 18, 2011 4:37 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
agreed, i never hated him for it in the first place.
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"
by Matt_Roberts on Feb 18, 2011 4:38 PM EST up reply actions
I didn't really mean
that as a slight to Mats… I’m just saying Kaberle gets bonus points.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 18, 2011 4:38 PM EST up reply actions
oh I know, I was just responding to the “tarnished legacy” bit
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Feb 18, 2011 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
i hate it when Mats comes up and thats still what people talk about. not referring to your comment steve, just in general
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"
by Matt_Roberts on Feb 18, 2011 4:40 PM EST up reply actions
Kaberle did refuse to waive it on a previous occasion though…. but i guess its different when you still have term on your contract
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"
by Matt_Roberts on Feb 18, 2011 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
Didn’t take it that way. Do you think the different approaches of Fletcher and Burke made a difference in that willingness?
"I’ve been studying this and I’m pretty sure this is how it breaks down: 'You are allowed one team: The Leafs. In some cases, you can also root for a second team: The Leafs'"
-Cornelius Hardenbergh
possible
I’m really thinking it has more to do with him wanting to increase his Contract value by getting into the playoffs.
His agent probably recommended he move.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 18, 2011 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. The return also supports this, there’s no way Boston would offer such a fair return if they were truly the only team in the mix.
"I’ve been studying this and I’m pretty sure this is how it breaks down: 'You are allowed one team: The Leafs. In some cases, you can also root for a second team: The Leafs'"
-Cornelius Hardenbergh
It’s absurd; maybe people will forget once he’s in the Hall of Fame.
"I’ve been studying this and I’m pretty sure this is how it breaks down: 'You are allowed one team: The Leafs. In some cases, you can also root for a second team: The Leafs'"
-Cornelius Hardenbergh
I'm guessing
they’ll get over it.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 18, 2011 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
Burtch please
WE'LL MISS YOU TOMAS
by daoust on Feb 18, 2011 5:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
please what?
… I’m not saying Mats is bad (I just wish he had waived the NMC)… Kaberle did… that’s good.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 18, 2011 6:06 PM EST up reply actions
so
we’re trying to get a blue liner with the 3rd?
And Burke plans on packaging the 1st rounders from Boston and Philly for a move up at the draft
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
Wtf
kinda D man do you get for a 3rd rounder? an old one probably.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 18, 2011 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
a vet who isnt lebda
I support this
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Feb 18, 2011 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
Andrew Alberts
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"
by Matt_Roberts on Feb 18, 2011 4:40 PM EST up reply actions
RealKyper Nick Kypreos
#NHL trade. Done. #Blues deal Eric Brewer to #Lightning for prospect and a 3 rd round draft pick
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by happiergilmore on Feb 18, 2011 4:46 PM EST up reply actions
So
we could get the likes of eric brewer for a prospect and a 3rd rounder?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 18, 2011 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
That’s the precedent, I guess.
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by happiergilmore on Feb 18, 2011 4:54 PM EST up reply actions
what if that prospect
is named Komisarek or Lebda?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
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by Steve Burtch on Feb 18, 2011 4:54 PM EST up reply actions
I like the prospects of that ;)
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by happiergilmore on Feb 18, 2011 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
sounds more like he wants to turn those 1st rounders into a player they can get thats NHL ready now
"I'm not drinking and driving, I'm driving while I'm drinking....Right boys!?"
yeah
ideally… although I could also see him trading up… trying to land a player that’ll be closer to NHL ready sooner.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 18, 2011 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
this is what im worried about…. the temptation will be strong for burke to do this. It would really depend on who he would get…. but i would like to see the Leafs hit the draft table in the 1st round
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by Matt_Roberts on Feb 18, 2011 4:44 PM EST up reply actions
Leafs have 10 picks in next years’ draft right now
Boston and Philly’s 1st
Our 2nd
Philly’s 3rd
Our 4th
Our 5th
Ours and Anaheim’s 6th
Ours and Anaheim’s 7th
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did we trade
our 3rd? oh right for Voros.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 18, 2011 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
No that was a conditional 7th…? I think :S
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by happiergilmore on Feb 18, 2011 4:54 PM EST up reply actions
so wtf
happened to our 3rd?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
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by Steve Burtch on Feb 18, 2011 4:54 PM EST up reply actions
top of my head, i think it was part of the convoluted mish mash of trades to get the picks for the kessel deal back
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Feb 18, 2011 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
The Toronto Maple Leafs’ third-round pick will go to the Chicago Blackhawks as the result of a trade on September 5, 2009 that sent Toronto’s own second-round pick in 2010 back to Toronto in exchange for Calgary’s second-round pick in 2011 and this pick.
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by happiergilmore on Feb 18, 2011 4:56 PM EST up reply actions
well that's a mouthful
"I'm not drinking and driving, I'm driving while I'm drinking....Right boys!?"
TWSS.
Kulemin so hot right now, Kulemin.
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by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 18, 2011 4:59 PM EST up reply actions
weirdness
but ok I don’t follow that … I just trust it’s not ours anymore.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 18, 2011 4:57 PM EST up reply actions
woo, I was right on both accounts, that it was for the Kessel deal and that it was a convoluted mish mash
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Feb 18, 2011 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
Atta boy, have another beer.
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by happiergilmore on Feb 18, 2011 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
burke ripped him apart haha
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soo good
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by happiergilmore on Feb 18, 2011 4:46 PM EST up reply actions
It was fantastic
I write about the Leafs. Also, goalie fights.
http://www.garyrobertsbabyeater.blogspot.com/
by Gary Roberts: Baby Eater on Feb 18, 2011 5:04 PM EST up reply actions
dammit
here burke goes again about the season ticket holders
"I'm not drinking and driving, I'm driving while I'm drinking....Right boys!?"
yes
I find Corporate Toronto really does care a lot about the Leafs player moves.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 18, 2011 4:46 PM EST up reply actions
And he was doing so well, too.
I write about the Leafs. Also, goalie fights.
http://www.garyrobertsbabyeater.blogspot.com/
by Gary Roberts: Baby Eater on Feb 18, 2011 5:04 PM EST up reply actions
I haven’t watched the presser yet, but was he definitely talking about companies or could he have been just referring to individual season ticket holders?
I'm joking
he was most likely referring to individuals, but it’s amusing to me because most seasons tickets aren’t owned by individuals.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 18, 2011 6:35 PM EST up reply actions
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
To buy a Kaberle jersey to honour the man or not to?
Kulemin so hot right now, Kulemin.
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by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 18, 2011 4:45 PM EST reply actions
Yes, while they’re on sale.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Feb 18, 2011 5:25 PM EST up reply actions
Or maybe I should wait for a Colbourne one?
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by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 18, 2011 5:26 PM EST up reply actions
Plenty of time for that when he actually plays an NHL game
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Feb 18, 2011 5:32 PM EST up reply actions
Unless you really think the appropriate way to honor Kaberle is buying the jersey of the prospect you got back for him, then go for it I guess.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Feb 18, 2011 5:33 PM EST up reply actions
cuz he is
he dislikes stupid questions.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 18, 2011 4:46 PM EST up reply actions
loving
this shit… Burke = Wilson x 2
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
This is great!
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 18, 2011 4:48 PM EST up reply actions
Better though, because the questions that piss him off are actually dumb. Wilson just rips on everyone.
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by Gary Roberts: Baby Eater on Feb 18, 2011 5:05 PM EST up reply actions
that's why I said
x2…
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 18, 2011 5:19 PM EST up reply actions
Ah, misread that.
I write about the Leafs. Also, goalie fights.
http://www.garyrobertsbabyeater.blogspot.com/
by Gary Roberts: Baby Eater on Feb 18, 2011 5:24 PM EST up reply actions
This is AWESOME
I am enjoying Burke giving them lip
I am drinking the Kule-aid!
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They deserve it
they want to pigeonhole him on points he’d never make… they’re jackasses.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 18, 2011 4:47 PM EST up reply actions
Journalism debate club != law school debate club.
"I’ve been studying this and I’m pretty sure this is how it breaks down: 'You are allowed one team: The Leafs. In some cases, you can also root for a second team: The Leafs'"
-Cornelius Hardenbergh
sports journalists
(I’m not trying to offend anyone here – and I used to write freelance ages ago)… generally speaking are like ambulance chasers with a corporate gig, who never took the bar exam.
They’re a pack of raving nuts that don’t really have expertise in what they’re writing about.
Now that doesn’t inherently make them bad at what they do… it just means they’re no more qualified than the average opinionated jackass with a pen/internet connection.
There really isn’t much difference between the likes of Simmons or Berger and the guys writing Bleacher Report other than readership and longevity.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 18, 2011 5:03 PM EST up reply actions
I get what you’re saying, but you’re making generalizations based on some specific jackasses in Toronto. Don’t throw all sports journalists under the bus when a decent number of them are actually eloquent and knowledgeable writers.
I write about the Leafs. Also, goalie fights.
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by Gary Roberts: Baby Eater on Feb 18, 2011 5:09 PM EST up reply actions
you did read my whole comment right?
I acknowledged I was GENERALIZING… and I made the point that I myself used to write… and I’m not trying to offend… I’m obviously aware there are good sports journos.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 18, 2011 5:19 PM EST up reply actions
also
you’re not disproving my point… I’m talking about QUALIFICATIONS… aside from having a degree in journalism… which doesn’t qualify you to judge sports success particularly.
Business Writers tend to have business experience… Art/Life writers tend to have experience in the field they write about… wtf do most Sports Journalists have other than an interest in sports?
They’re fans with pens.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 18, 2011 5:21 PM EST up reply actions
Thats print. I find that tv personalities tend to have been more involved
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by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 18, 2011 5:32 PM EST up reply actions
depends on who they are talking about, Waters and Healy are fucking abominations and deserve all the ire they get
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 18, 2011 5:33 PM EST up reply actions
McGuire is pure comedy for me.
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by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 18, 2011 5:35 PM EST up reply actions
his yelling and buzzword obsession can get irritating time to time, but he is wacky and entertaining. Also he does know what he is talking about most of the time
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Feb 18, 2011 5:36 PM EST up reply actions
The weird little dude knows his hockey.
I write about the Leafs. Also, goalie fights.
http://www.garyrobertsbabyeater.blogspot.com/
by Gary Roberts: Baby Eater on Feb 18, 2011 5:37 PM EST up reply actions
Burtch’s real identity?
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by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 18, 2011 5:38 PM EST up reply actions
good god
did I just get compared to McGuire? I hate McGuire… please don’t do that again.
I acknowledge he “knows something” I just find him irritating as all hell.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 18, 2011 6:08 PM EST up reply actions
What ever you say Pierre.
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by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 18, 2011 6:26 PM EST up reply actions
He’s like a 12 year old with his “MONSTER” is comedy gold. Plus he comes off as a huge lover of hockey
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by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 18, 2011 5:37 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, he’s more ridiculous than abominable.
I write about the Leafs. Also, goalie fights.
http://www.garyrobertsbabyeater.blogspot.com/
by Gary Roberts: Baby Eater on Feb 18, 2011 5:39 PM EST up reply actions
he’s just so annoying sometimes
he repeats things over and over again…I remember the rangers game we got shellacked he was ripping into gustavsson constantly…the kid just let in 6 goals, shut the heck up, analyze the hockey on the ice
elephant shell
Oh, I don’t think he’s not annoying. He’s just annoying in a fundamentally ridiculous way.
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by Gary Roberts: Baby Eater on Feb 18, 2011 5:45 PM EST up reply actions
I prefer him over Ray Ferrero, man that guy is BORING.
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by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 18, 2011 5:46 PM EST up reply actions
I actually find
Ferraro’s commentary insightful and interesting. He explains things in a lot more detail than a lot of commentators.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 18, 2011 6:08 PM EST up reply actions
I find him dull and unenthusiastic. Might be his monotone voice.
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by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 18, 2011 6:27 PM EST up reply actions
Like so,
PHIIILLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
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by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 18, 2011 6:28 PM EST up reply actions
Someone should hire him as GM or something
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Feb 18, 2011 5:39 PM EST up reply actions
NOT IT
I write about the Leafs. Also, goalie fights.
http://www.garyrobertsbabyeater.blogspot.com/
by Gary Roberts: Baby Eater on Feb 18, 2011 5:40 PM EST up reply actions
lol Imagine the press conferences. Someone make this happen!
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by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 18, 2011 5:40 PM EST up reply actions
but but but but
I wanna see Brian Burke bitchslap Murray at the draft again!!1
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by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 18, 2011 5:43 PM EST up reply actions
I’d rather see him slap McGuire.
Honestly, HOW funny would that be.
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by happiergilmore on Feb 18, 2011 5:48 PM EST up reply actions
Oh man I can picture his face.
Brian Burke is like 2 times his size, casting a huge shadow.
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by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 18, 2011 5:50 PM EST up reply actions
at least Waters and Healy
worked in management and played in the NHL… that means something to me in comparison to the Journalist who has no quals.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 18, 2011 6:07 PM EST up reply actions
Business Writers tend to have business experience… Art/Life writers tend to have experience in the field they write about… wtf do most Sports Journalists have other than an interest in sports?
No, most business and arts/life writers don’t have “experience” in that field. But the good ones do pick that up along the way.
And the BEST people in all journalism subjects have an intense understanding of their field. Look at Bob McKenzie or Pierre Lebrun, etc. – they know all of the people involved in the industry, understand how it works and use that knowledge to inform readers.
Those who do that are the most successful.
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by James Mirtle on Feb 19, 2011 12:26 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That being said
We are focusing in sports pages. It goes without saying that there is some fine, fine work done in journalism as well.
"I’ve been studying this and I’m pretty sure this is how it breaks down: 'You are allowed one team: The Leafs. In some cases, you can also root for a second team: The Leafs'"
-Cornelius Hardenbergh
As a holder of a Bachelor’s Degree in journalism, agree 1000% with Burtch.
It’s a joke that a city that has as much print media as Toronto can’t find better sportswriters. I honestly feel bad for Mirtle and the one or two other ones that aren’t horrible because they are otherwise surrounded by the journalistic short bus.
Back when I wrote professionally for a living, if I turned in the dirge on offer my fat butt wouldn’t have bounced twice until it hit the street.
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by torleafsfan29 on Feb 18, 2011 6:43 PM EST up reply actions
The
4 recall rule = between Feb 28th and the end of the year in April… you can’t recall and promote a player more than 4 times.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
oh wait
4 recalls in TOTAL… for all players.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 18, 2011 4:49 PM EST up reply actions
yikes...
my suggestion? Demote everyone remotely decent and young that can clear waivers to the Marlies and let the AHL team take a run at the Calder Cup.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 18, 2011 4:49 PM EST up reply actions
Isn’t there a rule where you can’t play X number of games in the NHL, to qualify for the Calder?
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by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 18, 2011 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
Calder Cup
not the Calder Trophy… Calder Cup = championship in the AHL.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 18, 2011 4:56 PM EST up reply actions
I meant for the Calder Cup.
Not the trophy, obviously, what we’re just gonna give the calder trophy to a rookie whose played less than 20 games?
C’mon Burtch.
/bustin your balls
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by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 18, 2011 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
ok well
to answer your question… no. I’m pretty sure any player is eligible to be demoted and play for the Calder… Philly did it years ago with Richards and Carter.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 18, 2011 5:00 PM EST up reply actions
Really
this would just amount to sending back the likes of Reimer, Aulie, maybe even Schenn…
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 18, 2011 5:00 PM EST up reply actions
That’s interesting, I’m surprised teams that haven’t qualified for the playoffs haven’t stockpiled their AHL teams by demoting everyone?
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by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 18, 2011 5:03 PM EST up reply actions
Because (a) it would get htem to change the rule, and (b) it won’t help development
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by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 18, 2011 5:07 PM EST up reply actions
the 4 recall rule
screws a lot of teams out of it. Last year Jamie Benn was demoted by Dallas and he had 14 goals and 26 points in 24 AHL playoff games for Texas.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 18, 2011 5:10 PM EST up reply actions
he played
all 82 games with Dallas last year in the regular season.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 18, 2011 5:11 PM EST up reply actions
It’s a pretty silly rule.
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by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 18, 2011 5:11 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think so
it prevents teams from loading up their AHL or NHL rosters.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 18, 2011 5:12 PM EST up reply actions
But only 4 moves in the course of a couple months?
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by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 18, 2011 5:13 PM EST up reply actions
It's
really just 1 month. March and a week of April.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 18, 2011 5:14 PM EST up reply actions
and emergency call ups
don’t affect it to my knowledge.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 18, 2011 5:14 PM EST up reply actions
Schenn wouldn’t be waiver exempt anymore. I’m thinking it’s Aulie and Schenn.
it’s also possible somebody like Jesse Blacker could join the Marlies for the playoffs after Owen Sound gets eliminated.
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Yep from Jr.
They could also bring Blacker and other Jr. prospects up if they want to- for the playoffs.
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by happiergilmore on Feb 18, 2011 5:07 PM EST up reply actions
he can
but kitchener could go to the mem cup.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 18, 2011 5:07 PM EST up reply actions
yep definitely.
and I know schenn’s played too many to be exempt… I was kidding on him anyway.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 18, 2011 5:06 PM EST up reply actions
Washington demoted a bunch of their kids (John Carlson notably) who played in the NHL playoffs last year after they got bumped out of the playoffs and ended up winning their second straight Calder Cup.
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by torleafsfan29 on Feb 18, 2011 6:46 PM EST up reply actions
tsnjamesduthie james duthie
Wow, quite a day. Well, thanks for watching Tradecentre 2011. We’ll see you nex…wait…what? Oh. Right. Crap.
HAhahahahaha
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Haha!
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by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 18, 2011 4:56 PM EST up reply actions
HE's awesome today
Did you catch his dance/glee tweet?
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by happiergilmore on Feb 18, 2011 5:02 PM EST up reply actions
High comedy
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by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 18, 2011 5:05 PM EST up reply actions
brian burke tore the media a new anus
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Feb 18, 2011 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
Then proceeded to mount it.
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by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 18, 2011 4:59 PM EST up reply actions
Jared's right
The media tried to stick words in his mouth and he yelled at them. It was awesome
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DarrenDreger Darren Dreger
brock beukeboom and a 3rd round pick for Brewer.
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Beukeboom’s a good prospect… From our POV, that would be like, Blacker+3rd.
Met Beuk a bunch of times, great guy.
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by happiergilmore on Feb 18, 2011 5:01 PM EST up reply actions
Gardiner = 17th over all in 2008
Colborne = 16th over all in 2008
you know who was 15th? Erik Karlsson
you know what the Leafs need? an NHL Puck moving defenseman
this makes too much sense to be a coincidence
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Feb 18, 2011 5:03 PM EST reply actions
2008 Draft
was stacked.
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by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 18, 2011 5:05 PM EST up reply actions
All your
prospects,
Belong to us.
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by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 18, 2011 5:05 PM EST up reply actions
All your prospect are belong to us
"I’ve been studying this and I’m pretty sure this is how it breaks down: 'You are allowed one team: The Leafs. In some cases, you can also root for a second team: The Leafs'"
-Cornelius Hardenbergh
Fuck
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by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 18, 2011 5:14 PM EST up reply actions
Gardiner
and Colborne haven’t played a game in the NHL yet… it might be a bit premature to declare that.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 18, 2011 5:15 PM EST up reply actions
Filatov
6th? Hodgson 10th?
It’s a good draft… it’s no 2003 though.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 18, 2011 5:17 PM EST up reply actions
2003 will probably go down as one of the greatest drafts of all time though
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Feb 18, 2011 5:19 PM EST up reply actions
Lol Rangers
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by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 18, 2011 5:20 PM EST up reply actions
also islanders, and blue jackets….and Leafs
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Feb 18, 2011 5:22 PM EST up reply actions
Florida, LA and St Louis
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by happiergilmore on Feb 18, 2011 5:24 PM EST up reply actions
Florida got Nathan Horton.. hardly a bust
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by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 18, 2011 5:24 PM EST up reply actions
yup, and at least they had a chance to fuck up, the Leafs missed the first round in one of the deepest 1st rounds of all time
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Feb 18, 2011 5:26 PM EST up reply actions
Eriksson, Weber, Backes, Howard, hell even O’Sullivan, that’s pretty good for a 2nd round
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Feb 18, 2011 5:28 PM EST up reply actions
Bergeron?
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by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 18, 2011 5:30 PM EST up reply actions
My bad. Shit he’s young. I don’t understand people thinking he’s available
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Fucking pull the trigger.
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by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 18, 2011 5:33 PM EST up reply actions
im not saying he is available, just that people think he can be had because of their depth
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Feb 18, 2011 5:34 PM EST up reply actions
That kid is their franchise. People need to get their heads out of their asses.
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by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 18, 2011 5:35 PM EST up reply actions
He’s saying that Stastny is available because they have Duchene. The idea is insane to me
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by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 18, 2011 5:38 PM EST up reply actions
Do you think Stastny is their franchise? I would say he is number 2 on their depth chart behind Duchenne
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Off the top of my head
Its:
Duchenne
Stastny
Stewart
Shattenkirk
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if anything, I’d go after stewart. he is the “most attainable”
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Feb 18, 2011 5:41 PM EST up reply actions
I went to highschool with the guy, he’s a fucking horse.
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by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 18, 2011 5:44 PM EST up reply actions
Fuck
I wish we had that core.
I am a fan of:
Kessel
Schenn
Kule
Grabs
MacA
Phaneuf
But it ain’t the same
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I wish I had Duchene, kids a stud
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by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 18, 2011 5:54 PM EST up reply actions
Duchene not Stastny
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by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 18, 2011 5:44 PM EST up reply actions
I have no idea why anyone thinks
that a team that won cups behind Sakic and Forsberg would trade one of Stastny and Duchene… think about that and then try to figure it out.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 18, 2011 6:11 PM EST up reply actions
The idea is that it’s a product of their internal cap. Also, the idea is that Stastny is a really really good player and I really really really want him. So there.
This is where a witty signature might go.
This is where a witty signature might go on drugs.
Eriksson?
Bergeron, Carle, Weber, Crawford, Backes, and Howard… that’s not that bad.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 18, 2011 6:10 PM EST up reply actions
on a quick peruse of 2nd rounds, that is actually way the hell above average in both numbers and quality
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Feb 18, 2011 6:11 PM EST up reply actions
particularly when
you recognize that Howard only made it to starter last year, and Crawford took until this year.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 18, 2011 6:12 PM EST up reply actions
also dont forget the later rounds, Byfuglian, Enstrom and Pavelski
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Feb 18, 2011 6:15 PM EST up reply actions
We got Brian Leetch out of that
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by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 18, 2011 5:28 PM EST up reply actions
good idea at the time, fucking lock out
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Feb 18, 2011 5:29 PM EST up reply actions
McCabe-Leetch = holy shit.
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by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 18, 2011 5:30 PM EST up reply actions
Relatively grateful the Bruins flubbed that pick, or we’d be hearing about Mike Richards/Corey Perry/Ryan Kesler too.
"I’ve been studying this and I’m pretty sure this is how it breaks down: 'You are allowed one team: The Leafs. In some cases, you can also root for a second team: The Leafs'"
-Cornelius Hardenbergh
Oops didn’t mean Florida.
Was thinking one thing while I was typing another.
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by happiergilmore on Feb 18, 2011 5:27 PM EST up reply actions
Nearly every prospect report I read at the time was that the 2008 draft was solid, I haven’t heard the same rave reviews in the past draft or the upcoming one.
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by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 18, 2011 5:17 PM EST up reply actions
Well I for one have loved the last couple of days
I learned a whole lot about twitter, including that theres some dude on it named incarceratedbob and jesussomething and darendreger/=darrendreger
"I'm not drinking and driving, I'm driving while I'm drinking....Right boys!?"
I think wherever he's incarcerated
bob needs to work on his contacts
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 18, 2011 5:12 PM EST up reply actions
If we can’t get Boston to meet our price, we want two more teams, if we can’t do it with them, we want two more teams
Creative approach.
"I’ve been studying this and I’m pretty sure this is how it breaks down: 'You are allowed one team: The Leafs. In some cases, you can also root for a second team: The Leafs'"
-Cornelius Hardenbergh
He’s a players GM.
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by happiergilmore on Feb 18, 2011 5:07 PM EST up reply actions
I was really impressed with that. Especially given how much I’ve ragged on him for handling it badly. I was wrong.
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by Gary Roberts: Baby Eater on Feb 18, 2011 5:13 PM EST up reply actions
Me too
Very happy to be wrong on the Kaberle-handling. I wanted him to extend, and according to Burke he wanted to, but if he’s going to get $5.5M+ I’m very happy with the return.
"I’ve been studying this and I’m pretty sure this is how it breaks down: 'You are allowed one team: The Leafs. In some cases, you can also root for a second team: The Leafs'"
-Cornelius Hardenbergh
Yes. I also think there was more respect there that I gave him credit for. Happy to see that.
I write about the Leafs. Also, goalie fights.
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by Gary Roberts: Baby Eater on Feb 18, 2011 5:18 PM EST up reply actions
*than I gave him credit for
I write about the Leafs. Also, goalie fights.
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by Gary Roberts: Baby Eater on Feb 18, 2011 7:36 PM EST up reply actions
Newly-trim Maple Leafs roster, welcome to the bottom half of CapGeek’s payroll chart.
"I’ve been studying this and I’m pretty sure this is how it breaks down: 'You are allowed one team: The Leafs. In some cases, you can also root for a second team: The Leafs'"
-Cornelius Hardenbergh
Burke only said one thing that bothered me…and it was that he wasn’t willing to offer an extension that he “expected” kaberle would want. Did he know what kaberle would ask for? Is there a number? Or is it just what he expected?
elephant shell
I bet
he expected him to ask for a raise.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 18, 2011 5:23 PM EST up reply actions
Even $5M/5 would’ve made me pretty uncomfortable.
"I’ve been studying this and I’m pretty sure this is how it breaks down: 'You are allowed one team: The Leafs. In some cases, you can also root for a second team: The Leafs'"
-Cornelius Hardenbergh
Is it just me or is Brian
a boss?
GWWWHAAAA!
by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Feb 18, 2011 5:25 PM EST reply actions
You can tell by the posse of vice-presidents.
"I’ve been studying this and I’m pretty sure this is how it breaks down: 'You are allowed one team: The Leafs. In some cases, you can also root for a second team: The Leafs'"
-Cornelius Hardenbergh
And by all the stupid questions he gets… Simmons is a snake.
GWWWHAAAA!
by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Feb 18, 2011 5:29 PM EST up reply actions
reporterchris Chris Johnston
By the way, Burke misspoke when he said Brayden Schenn. He meant Brayden Irwin.
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now we know who burke is targeting!
still
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Feb 18, 2011 5:35 PM EST up reply actions
Never give up! Never surrender!
I write about the Leafs. Also, goalie fights.
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by Gary Roberts: Baby Eater on Feb 18, 2011 5:36 PM EST up reply actions
Smooth, avoiding tampering charges ;)
Kulemin so hot right now, Kulemin.
I'm giving Twitter another go
by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 18, 2011 5:36 PM EST up reply actions
I know he’s from Ottawa, but what are everyones thoughts on trading for Chris Philips?
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why do we need a shut down defenseman?
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 18, 2011 5:50 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t know, I was just mulling it over in my head because Ottawa is clearly having a firesale and someone like Philips could probably be had for not too much.
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by happiergilmore on Feb 18, 2011 5:51 PM EST up reply actions
We’re firesaling too..
Kulemin so hot right now, Kulemin.
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by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 18, 2011 5:52 PM EST up reply actions
if we are dispensing assets, we should be plugging holes we have, not stockpilling things we dont need
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Feb 18, 2011 5:54 PM EST up reply actions
Plug ’em with the waiver wire.
Kulemin so hot right now, Kulemin.
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by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 18, 2011 5:56 PM EST up reply actions
Phillips
has a NMC and doesn’t want to leave Ottawa I believe.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 18, 2011 6:01 PM EST up reply actions
Good let him stay there.
Kulemin so hot right now, Kulemin.
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by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 18, 2011 6:31 PM EST up reply actions
Apparently Luke Schenn is too soft for this guy?
Kulemin so hot right now, Kulemin.
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by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 18, 2011 5:52 PM EST up reply actions
this is weird
He’s already in Ottawa http://yfrog.com/h3e1prjj
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by happiergilmore on Feb 18, 2011 5:53 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, that hurts. It looks so wrong.
"I’ve been studying this and I’m pretty sure this is how it breaks down: 'You are allowed one team: The Leafs. In some cases, you can also root for a second team: The Leafs'"
-Cornelius Hardenbergh
- eh…
Kulemin so hot right now, Kulemin.
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by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 18, 2011 5:56 PM EST up reply actions
number 12*
Kulemin so hot right now, Kulemin.
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by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 18, 2011 5:56 PM EST up reply actions
we can just pretend
Frantisek made a come back and Tomas retired.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
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by Steve Burtch on Feb 18, 2011 6:04 PM EST up reply actions
Should we sign Frantisek in the off-season to lure back Tomas?
Kulemin so hot right now, Kulemin.
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by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 18, 2011 6:31 PM EST up reply actions
that would have been fucking stupid
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Feb 18, 2011 6:05 PM EST up reply actions
No, that would have been fucking awesome
Jiri Hudler is exactly what the Leafs need to take it to the next level.
as a redwings fan, I question your motivations
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 18, 2011 6:07 PM EST up reply actions
I knew something ain’t right with that boy.
Kulemin so hot right now, Kulemin.
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by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 18, 2011 6:32 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks man, this days been stressful. Needed a laugh.
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by happiergilmore on Feb 18, 2011 6:06 PM EST up reply actions
Growwwlll
jonas640 Jonas Siegel
Ron Wilson tells Bryan Hayes that Carl Gunnarsson will likely move up to play with Luke Schenn. Brett Lebda will step in as 6th defenseman.
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I’m going to focus on the positives that Schenn and Gunnarsson on the same line could be a lot of fun to watch.
Oh, four! I mean five! I mean fire! Now available in lite version!
they played well together last year
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 18, 2011 6:13 PM EST up reply actions
They played pretty well together too.
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Feb 18, 2011 7:08 PM EST up reply actions
Top 4
is now Aulie-Phaneuf, Schenn-Gunnarsson… Komi and Lebda are 5-6… that’s awesome, and if we add a cheap vet for a 3rd rounder, Lebda’s back in the pressbox.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
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by Steve Burtch on Feb 18, 2011 6:14 PM EST up reply actions
I kinda wanted Paul Mara for a 5th or 6th
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by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 18, 2011 6:33 PM EST up reply actions
development and waiver issues
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 18, 2011 6:16 PM EST up reply actions
Precisely – there’s a limited number of waiver moves a team can make after the trade deadline.
Oh, four! I mean five! I mean fire! Now available in lite version!
4
which we discussed above in this thread.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
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by Steve Burtch on Feb 18, 2011 6:21 PM EST up reply actions
Gonna miss Kabs a lot. When I first started watching hockey, he was just beginning. And it feels like losing a little piece of my Leafs seeing him go. Heartbreaking, but I understand Burke’s perspective.
the closest parallel
that can really be drawn to this era in recent memory was the Cliff Fletcher era… when he and Burns first came in to rebuild.
The main difference though is that Fletcher was moving prospects and kids for veterans… this is the opposite.
Hopefully that means the peak period lasts longer than 2 years.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
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by Steve Burtch on Feb 18, 2011 6:37 PM EST up reply actions
Just saw Kaberle
on TSN, meeting his new teammates, getting ready for the game tonight.
I think I might vomit
Cyril: I'm not sure that's technically irony.
Archer: What? This is like O. Henry and Alanis Morissette had a baby and named it this exact situation!
Birky, why would Bogo not be the type of player the Leafs need?
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They’re already committed long-term to Phaneuf, Schenn, and Komisarek on the right side of the defense. They have two young highly rated defensive prospects in Gardiner and Blacker, who are probably about 1.5 seasons away. You’re talking about giving up mega assets for a player that isn’t a position of need.
Negative. I am a meat popsicle.
likely tomorrow afternoon
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by blindfolded tank driver on Feb 18, 2011 6:44 PM EST up reply actions
if Kaberle can make it to Ottawa
why can’t Colborne make it to Toronto?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 18, 2011 6:46 PM EST up reply actions
I guess
he was in Providence… but it’s not that much further.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 18, 2011 6:47 PM EST up reply actions
also
the Providence stadium is called The Dunk… wtf?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 18, 2011 6:47 PM EST up reply actions
matters on flights available.
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by blindfolded tank driver on Feb 18, 2011 6:48 PM EST up reply actions
yeah
Marlies play tomorrow?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
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by Steve Burtch on Feb 18, 2011 6:48 PM EST up reply actions
yes, afternoon game
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by blindfolded tank driver on Feb 18, 2011 6:49 PM EST up reply actions
i might actually pay the 6.99 to see this kid in action.
by Goosemonster on Feb 18, 2011 6:51 PM EST up reply actions
Did anyone mention today
that Andrew Engelage and David Brown were signed to PTO contracts by Nonis to play for the Marlies?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
Engelage
has an 18-10-1 record with Utah in the ECHL and is 3rd in the league with a .921 SV%
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
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by Steve Burtch on Feb 18, 2011 6:50 PM EST up reply actions
18-10-3-1 record
even
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
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by Steve Burtch on Feb 18, 2011 6:50 PM EST up reply actions
yup, mirtle and henny tweeted it earlier
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 18, 2011 6:50 PM EST up reply actions
k
didn’t know… just saw it while surfing the Marlies site.
Playing Grand Rapids tomorrow… does that mean Scrivens has been called up?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 18, 2011 6:51 PM EST up reply actions
after tonight’s game it’s likely tomorrow he will
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by blindfolded tank driver on Feb 18, 2011 6:52 PM EST up reply actions
he was drafted by Pitt
in 2004… 8th round 228th overall… he’s got a .930 SV% in the CHL, playing for Quad City (wherever that’s located?)
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 18, 2011 6:52 PM EST up reply actions
Marlies game on
why do we not do Marlies GDT on here? Just wondering… no leafs game… Marlies on TV… etc.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
I mean
it’s Aaron Voros’ Marlies Debut… that’s HUGE news!
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 18, 2011 7:02 PM EST up reply actions
sure, start a new window though
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by blindfolded tank driver on Feb 18, 2011 7:02 PM EST up reply actions
will do.
I suppose i have as much access as anyone.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 18, 2011 7:03 PM EST up reply actions
Colborne
is en route… will be at the Ricoh tonight DURING the game… interview following the game.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
Good Bye Kabby
Thanks for waiving your NTC.
Thanks for being awesome.
Hopefully Komi has a ‘hunting accident’ this spring and we can re-sign you on July 1st – don’t sell your house, just in case.
"You have to learn the rules of the game. And then you have to play better than anyone else."
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Feb 18, 2011 7:11 PM EST reply actions
Here we go then - Marlies Game
Marlies v. Bulldogs
Marlies v. Bulldogs
Marlies v. Bulldogs
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
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