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by PPP on Feb 24, 2011 12:01 PM EST
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PrintToday's noon number looks at just how rare it has been for a Leafs' rookie goalie to not only play significant games but to win them as well. In the modern era, 21 goalies have played at least 1 game for the Buds in their first season with the Leafs. Only five have won nine games:
| Player | Season | Age | GP | W |
| Mike Palmateer | 1976-77 | 23 | 50 | 23 |
| Jonas Gustavsson | 2009-10 | 25 | 42 | 16 |
| Ron Low | 1972-73 | 22 | 42 | 12 |
| Allan Bester | 1983-84 | 19 | 32 | 11 |
| James Reimer | 2010-11 | 22 | 16 | 9 |
Beyond wins, which are dependent on the surrounding team and available opportunity, Gabe Desjardins has looked at how rare James Reimer's hot start has been in terms of save percentage yesterday and how it's likely bought him a lot of rope and opportunity going forward. How important is Reimer to the Leafs? James Mirtle puts it in stark relief:
Toronto has a combined save percentage of only .895 with Jean-Sébastien Giguère or Jonas Gustavsson in goal, the equivalent of allowing 1.2 more goals against per game than Reimer’s .934.
If the Leafs have any hope at the playoffs, it'll be because they rode Reimer and Ron Wilson is determined to give this team every chance they can get:
"I’m riding James. He’s a young kid and he wants to be in every game. I think our team deserves to get that kind of goaltending and he deserves to play."
Amen.
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"I’m riding James. He’s a young kid ..."
just sounds very very wrong.
by PEI Muscle on Feb 24, 2011 12:20 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
James Reimer, NHL choirboy.
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by NinjasFromSpace on Feb 24, 2011 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
Nice.
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by James Mirtle on Feb 25, 2011 12:04 AM EST up reply actions
I hope so.
I can’t wait until it’s ‘0 – How many years it has been since Toronto has won the Stanley Cup’.
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by NinjasFromSpace on Feb 24, 2011 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
When I can think of one. Helps break up the discussion from the FTB.
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I like it. I like it a lot. Like A LOT .Keep doing more. You don’t need free time dude. Just our worship and attention.
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by Chuck Diesel on Feb 24, 2011 7:11 PM EST up reply actions
I love the extra content. It leads to extra comments and discussion and lulz and informations.
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by theninjagreg on Feb 24, 2011 8:25 PM EST up reply actions
Why no Potvin?
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 24, 2011 12:29 PM EST reply actions
Probably because the year he played his first game he didn’t get 9 wins. I couldn’t pick true rookie years just the first year they had any GPs in the NHL.
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I was browsing hockeydb and discovered that we traded a 3rd in 2006 (Tony Lagerstrom) to the Blackhawks for two fourths – Reimer and Holzer. Seems like a pretty fantastic trade, although I have no idea who Lagerstrom is.
by scrambles the death dealer on Feb 24, 2011 1:12 PM EST reply actions
a pretty nothing player in the SEL, great name though
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2011 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
Cool
Wow. That could be quite the steal.
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it already is, at worst we have two serviceable AHL players and they have nothing
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2011 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
Did a lot of little things right…but did almost all of the big one’s wrong.
We smoke and drink all night, hangover 'cause we hung out...
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oh hahaha okay that answers so many questions
by pho king awesome on Feb 24, 2011 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
Knock JFJ all you want for his inept trades and inability to evaluate good goaltending… but the guy had a knack for amateur scouting… among his draft picks (and remember, Leafs didn’t have very many draft picks at the beginning of JFJ’s term): Rask, Stralman, Kulemin, Reimer, Holzer, Stalberg, Gunnarsson, Mikus, Didomenico – all in the late rounds except Rask. (Let’s forget about Tlusty :P)
he also drafted a ton of busts, he did snag some late round gems, but he wasn’t as good as we sometimes give him credit for
out of his first two drafts as leafs GM, the only two current NHL players are Rask and Straleman
out of the other 11 players, they combined for 64 NHL games played, most of that by Robbie Earl (47)
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2011 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
he actually only really had one good draft,2006, it was a REALLY good one though, all of Tlusty Kulemin, Reimer, Holzer and Stalberg were drafted that year and only Ruegsegger and Komarov have yet to look like they could be anything
his 4th and final draft, only Gunnarsson has yet to turn into anything like an NHL player with maybe Frattin and Mikus with possibility
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2011 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
He only had 3 drafts to work with… I’d say he’s got a pretty good record, relatively speaking… considering he only had 3 first and second round picks to work with combined in those three years.
04-07, 4 drafts
and im not saying he was horrible at drafting, just that people keep saying “he might have sucked at trading/freeagency/contracts but he was really good at late round steals!”
it is just heavily weighted because he god lucky and hit 5 out of 7 one year
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2011 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
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I’m not sure Tlusty was a ‘bust’, he seemed to have all the skills but was misused by Maurice, forever stunting his growth. I was still overseas when he was here though, so I didn’t get to watch him play much.
by scrambles the death dealer on Feb 24, 2011 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
That was very poorly written. What I meant to say was that Tlusty might have become a good NHL player under another coach, and did not become a ‘bust’ because he wasn’t willing to work, unlike somebody like Alexandre Daigle who was enamored with the limelight and celebrity status, not NHL related success.
by scrambles the death dealer on Feb 24, 2011 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
Soo...
A win tonight and the Leafs are only four points out, four!
We smoke and drink all night, hangover 'cause we hung out...
So, I’m a moron and need an explanation as to what ‘5’ signifies. Help.
Cheer for another team? Never. Why? Cuz then the Leafs would win the cup.
It’s the number of goalies who have played their first game with the Leafs who have managed to win nine games.
by scrambles the death dealer on Feb 24, 2011 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
In my defence...
It’s actually FLYERROB’s fault LOL!! ‘5’ is very do-able….that’s f*cked me up LOL
Cheer for another team? Never. Why? Cuz then the Leafs would win the cup.
FFS
WOW. Right in front of my eyes. Holy Christ, I need to stop sniffing glue.
Cheer for another team? Never. Why? Cuz then the Leafs would win the cup.
OH AND a REPLY FAIL on top of my idiocy.
Cheer for another team? Never. Why? Cuz then the Leafs would win the cup.
We forgive you.
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Looks like it.
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Never happy about a player being injured, but well, I’m sure no one is thinking, man we really need Colton out there.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 24, 2011 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
Hey I like horses
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And to think we chose tukka in the first round in 2005. 20/20 but look out at some great picks we missed out on.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_NHL_Entry_Draft
OMG Imagine if we won the lottery we could have had Crosby
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Didn’t the leafs give up on Tukka Rask for Pogge?
Would you choose Rask or Reimer to start in net?
Same as yours.
You’re rehashing a trade that took place 4 years ago. We all hated it then, we all hate it now. Move along.
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Mike Palmateer goalie leaf 1976
Tukka Rask part of leaf system 2005
I’m well within timeline of ex leaf goalies.
Tukka Rask never played a single game for the Leafs and thus does not qualify as a Leaf goalie
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 24, 2011 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
It’s not a tough topic to follow: Leafs’ rookie goalies that won 9 games in their first year.
Did Tuukka Rask do that? No? Ok then.
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No. Any other questions about it?
This is where a witty signature might go.
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Things can get off topic so long as they are either a: funny or b:insightful.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 24, 2011 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
Meh
You wanna talk about an unrelated trade? Write up a FanPost detailing all of the reasons it sucked. Or go in the FTB which exists solely for hockey talk. It’s not hard to follow one of the few rules here.
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A bit too pedantic would be asking you to use proper capitalization.
I’ll take proper use of apostrophes though.
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Basically that your comment’s not really germane to the post other than to just bring up something we all hated then and hate now.
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What great picks? Leafs drafted 21st. There’s not really anyone after that that is that much better than Rask is.
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Perennial all stars TJ Oshie and Niklas Bergfors!!!
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Not 'give up'...
…so much as ‘chose’ Pogge over Rask…most likely due to his world Junior performance and (maybe) one or two NHL starts. One of the two had to go and it now appears that JFJ let the wrong one go for the wrong player coming back. WRONGS all over the place.
I honestly have not watched enough of Rask to give an opinion…know he has good numbers, but is his positioning and relative calmness (the ability to slow the play down when required, etc) in the net during games comparable to Reimer’s ability so far? I’ll stick with Reimer, thanks.
Cheer for another team? Never. Why? Cuz then the Leafs would win the cup.
Don’t insult history majors like that.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 24, 2011 3:03 PM EST up reply actions
Yes
gives cookie
We did.
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I mean
Don’t worry. I’m sure we’ll write about how dumb JFJ was for making that trade once or twice. Or about how crappy Raycroft was as a goalie. There’ll definitely be enough time to shit on that trade.
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Ok, thread’s fixed. Stay on topic folks.
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awww, I liked my last comment =o(
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What are you calling “modern era?” Post-expansion?
Between Turk Broda and Felix Potvin, the only home-grown Leaf starters are:
Ed Chadwick
Mike Palmateer
Bester/Wregget
Peter Ing
Reluctant to label Ron Low as a starter.
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I just looked at guys that had won 9 games in the first year in which they appeared as a Leafs. So if they played 1 game one year and 30 the next I didn’t count them.
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And while we're at it, 5 means:
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Now in year 44 of the 42-year saga.
by 1967ers on Feb 24, 2011 4:17 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
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