All Quiet on the Northern Front
by birky on Feb 26, 2011 7:15 AM EST
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Those of you who have been anxious for Brian Burke to pull off more deals will likely have to wait another 48 hours. The Leafs have yet to make a highly anticipated move for a top four defenseman, and it's doubtful they would do so today or tomorrow, considering they play both days. There has also been chatter of potentially trading Clarke MacArthur should he and the Leafs not be able to agree to an extension this weekend. I'm not sure they will trade Clarky Mark should he not sign an extension, but I'll say this (please note this is pure speculation on my part): it's very interesting that there seems to be a deadline on getting a deal for MacArthur done. Considering his RFA status, the only conclusion I can reach is that Burke already has a solid offer on the table. Otherwise why set at a deadline at all?
The good news is that the Leafs are focused on the games this weekend, and not on the trade deadline. James Mirtle of the G&M has the story:
...optimism is the theme among the Leafs players, who are now talking far less about who will get shipped out before the deadline than trying to stun the hockey world by coming from 14 points back a month ago.
"The whole group here is really excited to be in the race," winger Fredrik Sjostrom said. "We're not in a playoff spot yet, but we can feel it in our grasp. We feel we can get it."
The Leafs need to finish this weekend with at least 3 points. If they do that, they'll be in pretty good shape entering Death March. Links after the jump...
Saturday links:
What an official NHL trade sounds like
Another excellent piece by DGB
Remembering when the Leafs recorded an "album" in the mid-1960s
VLM has a really neat story on a rare bit of Leafs memorabilia
Puckin' Eh takes an interesting look at the Leafs special teams
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I know, especially Pittsburgh…
and wtf Washington.. 6-0 loss to the rangers? .. pfft
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by Future_considerations on Feb 26, 2011 7:31 AM EST up reply actions
at least they weren’t three point games, I guess.
by leaflover4ever on Feb 26, 2011 7:42 AM EST up reply actions
Florida & atlanta went to OT.. (Florida winning)..
was a bad scxoreboard night I Guess.
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by Future_considerations on Feb 26, 2011 7:45 AM EST up reply actions
At least Jersey didn't pick up any ground
…Hoo-ray?
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Agreed – those NJ guys are freaking me out right now.
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by Guy Dudeman on Feb 26, 2011 8:28 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Agreed – those NJ guys are freaking me out right now.
Your favorite non-Leaf team now features 110% more suckulence.
by Guy Dudeman on Feb 26, 2011 8:28 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Me too. I’m seein’ double.
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by not norm ullman on Feb 26, 2011 8:56 AM EST up reply actions
they should have an off night every night. :P
by leaflover4ever on Feb 26, 2011 8:31 AM EST up reply actions
Tonight
we want Detroit to beat Buffalo
and sigh Montreal to beat Carolina.
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Feb 26, 2011 8:35 AM EST up reply actions
Small, but important distinction: I’ll be cheering for Carolina to lose, and not reading the name of the team on the other half of the scoreboard.
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sigh. Actually having a chance at the playoffs is difficult
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we might actually have to keep winning games. ;P
by leaflover4ever on Feb 26, 2011 9:18 AM EST up reply actions
I had a look at the march schedule, it looks pretty depressing..
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by Future_considerations on Feb 26, 2011 9:48 AM EST up reply actions
We usually do well in March though. Optimism!!! ?
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OPTIMISM!!!1
Death March is catchy though. :P
by leaflover4ever on Feb 26, 2011 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
The Red Wings are starting Joey Mac. Let’s hope for the best.
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by Grabovski's better than you think on Feb 26, 2011 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
I know it's never "good" to be happy about a player being injured
But despite winning, CAR’s E. Staal got hurt in the game last night… if he’s out a few games that could help us in the standings possibly.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 26, 2011 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
guiltily happy. and even more happy because I don’t like Staal.
by leaflover4ever on Feb 26, 2011 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
Revenge for hurting Marc :)
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That would be more karma than revenge.
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by CanadianMaple09 on Feb 26, 2011 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
More on special teams
Everyone is often talking about how great our record would be if we had league-average or league-best SV%.
Well, if we had a league-best PP, we’d have scored 20 more PP goals (or about 1 every 3 games). Similarly, if we had league-best PK, we’d have 20 fewer PP goals scored against (or again, about 1 every 3 games). Meaning our goal differential would automatically improve by about 2 goals every 3 games.
Compare that do the difference between .895 and .925 goaltending, which is….about 2 goals every 3 games.
Record setting goaltending is unsustainable. Spotting teams a PK goal and leaving PP opportunities on the table is not a recipe for success.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 26, 2011 8:50 AM EST reply actions
I don’t think anyone expects league- best SV% or league best special teams… But I do think league average in both these areas would be quite beneficial to this club
in fact it makes me kind of nervous that we only start winning tons of games when we only get .935 goaltending
elephant shell
that’s kind of my point in a round-about way. i’m super excited at the possibility of making the playoffs, but if we’re more interested in long-term success we should be concerned about these rather glaring deficiencies.
it’s like the Jays last year. you can hit all the home runs in the world, but without a solid pitching rotation you’ll still only end up in 3rd.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 26, 2011 9:43 AM EST up reply actions
sorry to nitpick, but the jays had pretty solid pitching last year (loved morrow, marcum and romero!) :)
their issues were inability to get on base (solo homers don’t really do much), manufacture runs, and a horridly mismanaged bullpen
that and an inability to win at interleague, as well as being in a division where 4 teams would have made the playoffs if they could, doomed them
but, that was all digression (again, sorry to nitpick offtopic!), and your point stands that there were glaring deficiencies :)
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by kudzupo on Feb 26, 2011 9:51 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
the jays were actually a pretty decent team last year, but they’re probably in the worst division
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don’t forget the orioles!
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by happiergilmore on Feb 26, 2011 9:56 AM EST up reply actions
Nitpicking off-topic is what we do best here.
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by theninjagreg on Feb 26, 2011 9:56 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
their rotation was pretty good, but the had the worst bull-pen in baseball, didn’t they?
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 26, 2011 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
not even close
arizona’s was a total disaster
by scrambles the death dealer on Feb 26, 2011 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
me too – another thing to point out though is that a few key contributors left just as we started going on this run…. beauchemin, kaberle and versteeg… those guys could offer a lot to any team
burke’s been making the right moves IMO, and this freakish run is so amazing because it’s not what’s supposed to happen and I think that’s why it’s making everyone so giddy.
and of course the silver lining that we’re not ruining a draft pick by going on this tear
elephant shell
Yeah, normally we'd be very torn about a run like this
having arguments between clear eyed realists (OMG OUR LOTTERY DRAFT PICK!!!) and starry-eyed dreamers (OMG PLAYOFFS!!1 There’s a chance!).
As it is, the Kessel pick has turned from a curse to a blessing. We can be unequivocally happy.
Agree with the general point about special teams, but you’re way off the mark about the Jays. By some metrics, they were the 4th best team in the AL — and the AL East. Look at the W3-L3 record:
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/statistics/standings.php
A case could be made they were about as good as the World Champion San Francisco Giants.
I thought you were mocking Damien Cox in the other thread when you’re saying “It’s not a home-run hitting contest.” but I see you were serious.
I don’t believe they were quite that good, but they were a solid club in 2010, especially when you consider it was a rebuilding year. They shut down Morrow in August. They gave Drabek a taste of the big leagues.
Further on the Jays, every year it seems there’s an article saying, “Why can’t we be the Twins.” And the difference entirely is that we play in the East and they play in the Central, and the media generally ignore this important, important point. If we were in the Central we would have been contenders since roughly 2003. Maybe not every year, but most years. I’m not saying they would have won the Central, but they’d be in the mix.
Despite all this, I’m not advocating a move to the Central or expanded playoffs. Tampa Bay has proved that it is possible to compete with Boston and New York and we have more resources than they do.
Hell I would ABSOLUTELY be behind getting out from behind NY and Boston. It may theoretically be possible to compete with them (we did it ourselves way back in the day), but why would you want to start that far behind the $$$$$eight ball every single year.
In hoecky you can’t just throw money at a team and have success. In baseball it’s faaaar more possible.
I just view it as impossible to get out of the East, so I don’t even entertain the thought. Plus, it will be much more satisfying if and when we actually beat them. I do realize I could be waiting a very long time. I’m a Leafs fan. I’m patient. Also, I’ve already seen them won twice. They’ve fulfilled their quota for 60 years.
seriously though?
Chicago, Detroit, Cleveland, and Minnesota have all had solid runs in the past 10 years, I’m not sure we’d be much further ahead there.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 26, 2011 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
They’ve had runs and we haven’t had a sniff. We’d at least get a sniff. A sniff is already further ahead. And we’d get sniffs on an annual basis, given that we can financially compete with all these teams.
I suppose
theoretically we can compete with Boston and NY if our ownership was willing to spend the same amount.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 26, 2011 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
it's not like Rogers
is lacking for cash.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 26, 2011 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
Hmm
I think the entire Yankees org has been valued at slightly over a billion? The Red Sox aren’t close to that… but Rogers Media? they certainly are.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 26, 2011 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
Rogers Communications
netted $1.26 billion last year in income… they’re not exactly doing poorly.
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- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 26, 2011 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
and their total assets
are valued at over $17 billion… I think they can compete with the Yankees and Red Sox if they want to.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
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by Steve Burtch on Feb 26, 2011 2:16 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think
New England Sports Ventures can claim that type of income… they’re in huge debt as a result of taking over Liverpool FC recently.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 26, 2011 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
But there’s not just net worth, there’s expected ROI from putting that kind of money into your baseball team.
Will the jays make enough of it back? The mroe you spend, the harder it is to do that. At some point it goes firmly from business to expensive vanity project.
right
I just don’t think it’s a reasonable argument to say we CAN’T compete with those clubs… our ownership chooses not to. It isn’t the same thing.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
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by Steve Burtch on Feb 26, 2011 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
the Yankees and Red Sox
have huge national/international followings, and a bucketload of history on their side in this whole thing.
People support them and buy their merchandise all over the world… I don’t see that happening for the Jays anytime soon, but if they won a lot more? They’d make more money from sales of paraphernalia etc.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 26, 2011 2:35 PM EST up reply actions
They’d make MORE from sale of merchandise, but not as much more as NYY or BRS… Their multiplier won’t be nearly as high, because people in LA and Wisconsin and Florida won’t by Jays stuff when Toronto wins, but they WILL line up for Bosox stuff.
Winning pays better for them, sadly.
yes
that was my point about the history thing. The SF Giants can kind of capitalize on their history, as can teams like the Cards, White Sox, Cubs, etc.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 26, 2011 4:56 PM EST up reply actions
why did you go
from talking about league average SV% to league best PP?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 26, 2011 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
I think it’s because Reimer has provided something close to league-best level goaltending… and thank goodness, because the Leafs have been a 100-pt pace team since the New Year!
right
but overall the Leafs goaltending is still sub par… so their ranking on the year isn’t that weird.
We’re comparing the Leafs SV% over a 15-20 game stretch to the Leafs PP on the whole season… it’s not even apples to oranges, it’s like apples to papayas.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 26, 2011 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
Hmm… I imagine it’s a reaction to the arguments often seen around here, “If the Leafs had Tim Thomas, we’d be in this place instead of that place.” Now, he’s applying the same type of argument to our special teams. Just a guess. I don’t find it all that unreasonable given that generally speaking, it would be nice if our special teams were better overall.
our special teams
really aren’t that bad.
The Leafs are 22nd at 16.8% on the PP… 17.8% would put them at 14th tied with St. Louis… league average. we’re 1% away from the midpoint of the league… 1% means 1 more goal on every 100 chances… We’ve had 244 power play opportunities, so really that’s a difference of 2.5 goals… or less than 3 more.
That isn’t significant to the Leafs win total honestly… largely because the marginal win number at the stage the Leafs are at (goals required to add a win) is probably right around 3 goals? I don’t have the number in front of me.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 26, 2011 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
ok
well we’re at 77.9%, 14th in the NHL would be 81.9%… difference of 4%… or 4 goals every 100 times short handed. The Leafs have only been short 213 times. That means a diff of 8 goals or so?
If you combine the two, it’d be a total difference of about 11 goals, so around 3 wins so far?
We’d be a playoff team probably… oh and our goaltending numbers would also have to be better for our PK to be better… obviously if we’re reducing our goals against the goalies are too… so those two things are invariably attached at the hip.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 26, 2011 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
so unfortunately
we can talk about “special teams” all we like… but really you’re arguing our scorers need to score more, and our goalies need to stop more pucks… which I think is how all of this started in the first place? Complaining about complaints about SV%?
I don’t see how you can logically expect our “scorers” to do a lot more scoring, since we have 3 guys over 20 goals, and another one at 18. Our D could contribute more offensively for sure, but that’s not going to shift things drastically.
As for our goalies improving? well that’d definitely help the PK for sure.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 26, 2011 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
Since the New Year, I have 80/101 = ~80%, so we’ve actually been pretty close to league average in PK, also.
right
so better goaltending cures that aspect of things.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 26, 2011 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
scoring more goals
would cure the PP I bet.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 26, 2011 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
scoring goals at a record-setting pace would cure the PP, just like record-pace goaltending cures the PK?
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 26, 2011 5:08 PM EST up reply actions
Actually, even league average goaltending would “cure” the PK.
by Draglikepull on Feb 26, 2011 5:09 PM EST up reply actions
I laughed, but is there actually any greater genetic difference between apples and oranges vs apples and papayas? Seems like a weird alternate comparison.
by Draglikepull on Feb 26, 2011 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
I was going
for more tropical fruit that is more rare than the orange… like Florida vs. Costa Rica… I dunno it’s not a particularly intensely thought out alternate.
I’m sure if you spent 10 minutes on it looking up random fruit you could come up with something better.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 26, 2011 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
oranges
to bull testicles.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 26, 2011 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
Oh...
I just assumed everyone was still laughing from my last set of bons mots and therefore too busy to post.
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now how are we supposed to know when Burke trades for a dman?
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Why not both? We’ll send back Komisarek if we need the cap room!
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 26, 2011 9:07 AM EST up reply actions
As I tweeted the other day, I am still reading that as “Paul Stanley” pretty much every time, and I wonder why we’re trading for the singer from KISS when clearly what we need is a drummer.
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by theninjagreg on Feb 26, 2011 4:38 PM EST up reply actions
This was all Burke's plan.
First crash the twitter to temporarily freeze the speculation. Then make an earth-shattering trade. Then when twitter comes back the internets would literally explode.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 26, 2011 9:07 AM EST up reply actions
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by Future_considerations on Feb 26, 2011 9:46 AM EST up reply actions
Don’t want to litter the page with a GIF, but Raptors fans will appreciate this one.
by potvin vs hextall on Feb 26, 2011 9:52 AM EST reply actions
My appologies if basketball is as taboo as baseball around here :)
by potvin vs hextall on Feb 26, 2011 9:53 AM EST up reply actions
don’t want to get into a huge basketball discussion, but it’s funny how when one of the top players in the league thinks its okay to dive he’s just “sellin’ it to get a call”. but one someone with less talent does it he’s “ruining the game”.
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by happiergilmore on Feb 26, 2011 9:55 AM EST up reply actions
All-star Basketball player are infinitely greater douchebags than all-star hockey players
"Ironic isn't it, that the very strings I played then are made from the very gut of the animal this song is about" - David McGahan
Counterpoint: Eric Lindros.
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by happiergilmore on Feb 26, 2011 9:58 AM EST up reply actions
Sorry, Eric Lindros (+mother).
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by happiergilmore on Feb 26, 2011 9:59 AM EST up reply actions
Every sport has its “floppers”.
Soccer has it bad, Baseball (Jeter hit by pitch last year, anyone?), and don’t forget Dan Carcillo.
I don’t know if you guys think this, but hockey seems to generally look down on players who do this — where embelishing to draw a penalty isn’t seen as “gamesmanship”, but as a dick move.
by potvin vs hextall on Feb 26, 2011 10:00 AM EST up reply actions
Related, but also relevant to hockey... somewhat...
There was an article on Copper and Blue about how free agency was an immoral practice (and by extension, amateur drafts).
Well, the NBA is seeing a bit of what increased player freedom looks like with superstars colluding to end up on the same teams, forcing trades, etc.
Here’s an article that thinks it’s ruining the game:
NBA no longer fan-tastic
by potvin vs hextall on Feb 26, 2011 10:09 AM EST up reply actions
The NBA’s system is terrible, particularly the absence of a hard salary cap, it makes it incredibly uninteresting unless your a fan of 1 of the 5 teams that ever have a chance of winning a championship
"Ironic isn't it, that the very strings I played then are made from the very gut of the animal this song is about" - David McGahan
I think that the lack of a hard cap contributes.
It’s intensified in the NBA because of the small team/roster size. To get the equivalent of the Miami Heat Big Two (+1) you’d have to get 10ish baseball superstars on your team.
by potvin vs hextall on Feb 26, 2011 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
It's two different problems
In the NBA, just about any team can get into the playoffs, only a handful of teams at the start of the season have a legit championship chance. (That’s mainly due to the nature of the game – same 5 on offense/defense, lot of possessions per game, relatively small playing area, etc. Talent differential shines that much more in a best of 7 series.)
In the MLB, any playoff team has a decent shot once in, but it’s very hard to sustain playoff appearances without a lot of cash.
Interesting article here on that:
http://www.insidethebook.com/ee/index.php/site/comments/true_talent_levels_for_sports_leagues/
From the comments:
“In order to get more drama in the NBA, you need to cut down the season to 32 games, or cut the game down to something like 12 minutes.”
Another interesting article
http://cnls.lanl.gov/~ebn/pubs/sports/html/
Basically they figure that more upsets = more excitement.
Their conclusions are that MLB and NFL are the least exciting sports, and MLB and FA are the most exciting (NHL is in the middle).
Not saying I agree, just thought it was interesting.
by potvin vs hextall on Feb 26, 2011 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
Definitely less competitive balance in the NBA.
The best record in baseball in the last 50 years (Seattle 116W 46L) is the equivalent of 58W 24L in basketball, which is good, but not great.
by potvin vs hextall on Feb 26, 2011 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
Best 100 years now… the 1906 Cubs were 116-36 (and lost the World Series in 6 games.) and that only translates to 62-63 wins… which we see practically every year in the NBA.
Ya, I didn’t go back that far because I have no idea what was different in baseball and if the eras were comparable :)
But yes, I think the record in the NBA is 72? 73 wins? Ridiculous.
by potvin vs hextall on Feb 26, 2011 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
I think you misunderstood that first article. They aren’t arguing that free agency is immoral, they’re arguing that lack of free agency is immoral.
by Draglikepull on Feb 26, 2011 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
Sorry, wrote “free agency”, meant something else.
:)
by potvin vs hextall on Feb 26, 2011 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
collusion
isn’t ok for team owners… it shouldn’t be ok for players either. If you can prove they’re doing it you should be able to penalize them for it.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 26, 2011 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
Not sure that’s really fair. Different rules tend to apply to employers as opposed to employees because of the power imbalance present. Employees are often able to make deals that employers would not be allowed to make.
by Draglikepull on Feb 26, 2011 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
ah
except in many ways the players are partners in the league… at least that’s how it’s spun… the unions are not about to go away… so the players still have rights… I don’t think individual players should be able to collude to prevent teams from signing assets at a fair market value.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 26, 2011 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
Heard on ESPN that a basketball player was going to miss time due to a “funnybone injury.” So I went and watched Ryan O’Byrne getting his face cut open by a skate, and then finishing the shift.
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by Bower Power on Feb 26, 2011 10:19 AM EST up reply actions
I donno dude, you ever seen some of those rugby players from the UK, NZ, Oz, etc..
They’re fucked
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by happiergilmore on Feb 26, 2011 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
Let’s give Steve Nash an exemption.
by potvin vs hextall on Feb 26, 2011 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
Cbc’s preview on the cable guide says Varos is playing. Anyone know why?
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by theninjagreg on Feb 26, 2011 10:31 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Link? I don’t see it anywhere
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 26, 2011 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
neither do I. and Voros would have go to through waivers anyways. Why bring him up to do Rosehill’s job when Rosehill can do Rosehill’s job..
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by happiergilmore on Feb 26, 2011 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
Maybe it was the Marlies game preview?
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 26, 2011 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
Probably. I’m going to the game, first of the year, excited to see Colborne.
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by happiergilmore on Feb 26, 2011 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
I’m going tomorrow! Went on Wednesday too. It’s fun to watch prospects.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 26, 2011 10:57 AM EST up reply actions
Keep your eye on #22 (Colborne) and #13 (Kadri). Hopefully Monster will be in net again, it was neat to see him so up close for only $10.
Also it’s hilarious to see J. Mitchell in a Marlies uniform.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 26, 2011 11:06 AM EST up reply actions
Going expressly to watch those two. And Mike Zigomanis.
Best part? My friend got this in a buy 4 Marlies tickets and 2 Leafs tickets package. Which Leafs game? Got row 16 purples in the corner to March 19 vs. Boston. THE RETURN OF KABERLE.
lol i bought the exact same package
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by Matt_Roberts on Feb 26, 2011 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
While looking on CBC for confirmation re: Voros, I stumbled across this gem in an article by Jim Hughson:
Most ice time for a forward in a single game since 2000
Pavel Bure, Fla 40:12 (2000-01)
Pavel Bure, Fla 37:00 (2000-01)
Pavel Bure, Fla 36:17 (2000-01)
Pavel Bure, Fla 36:15 (2000-01)
The Mammoth minute games for Bure were all in the same month, March of 2001. Mike Keenan was the Panthers coach.
That is nuts. Crosby has the highest minute total for one game this season and was still under 30.
no wonder his knees exploded
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2011 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5VlMjeLXbw
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by happiergilmore on Feb 26, 2011 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
Sidenote: Bob Gainey looks like a monkey.
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by happiergilmore on Feb 26, 2011 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
can you imagine how good he would have been in the shootout era?
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2011 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
CBC
is airing the Marlies game.
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by Steve Burtch on Feb 26, 2011 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
This is what my tv guide for Shaw is showing me:
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by theninjagreg on Feb 26, 2011 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
Ah
Well that was a mistake/lie
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 26, 2011 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
…“Chis Neal is suiting up for the Pens and Aaron Voros joins Toronto.”
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by theninjagreg on Feb 26, 2011 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
Voros is playing in the Marlies game as we speak.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 26, 2011 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
It got me all confused, is all.
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by theninjagreg on Feb 26, 2011 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
Trash from someone that doesn’t even read trade headlines well. Should obviously be James Neal for the pens, and Voros did join Toronto…Marlies.
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by Steve Burtch on Feb 26, 2011 4:57 PM EST up reply actions
Real_ESPNLeBrun Pierre LeBrun
TSN first reported this overnight but I can also confirm: Blackhawks and Seabrook on verge of agreeing to five-year contract extension
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by happiergilmore on Feb 26, 2011 10:40 AM EST reply actions
Saw that
supposed to be in the neighbourhood of $30M, or around $6M/year cap hit.
Kane, Toews, Campbell, Seabrook, Keith all locked up long term. Guess they’ll have to find 500k goalies going forward.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 26, 2011 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
@Real_ESPNLeBrun
Pierre LeBrun
Average salary for Seabrook will be between $5.6 million to $6 million
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 26, 2011 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
Slowly narrowing it down...
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Bob McKenzie
Hearing the annual cap hit on Seabrook’s 5 year extension is in or around the $5.8M range.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 26, 2011 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
Unbelievable that he would have a higher cap hit than Keith.
by scrambles the death dealer on Feb 26, 2011 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
yes
but shorter term… that kind of explains it doesn’t it?
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by Steve Burtch on Feb 26, 2011 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
that's insane
there’s no way they’re going to keep half their team… look for more blackhawks trades this summer.
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by Steve Burtch on Feb 26, 2011 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
@dtolensky
Daniel Tolensky
With the Seabrook signing, Hawks will have 9 players taking up about $47 mil in cap space (5 F + 4 D).
Sounds like they are making it clear that beyond Kane, Toews, Hossa, Keith, Seabrook, and Campbell, everyone else can and will be available to get under the cap.
Wonder how long they can keep Sharp and Bolland now.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 26, 2011 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
or Brouwer
or Crawford.
Having a goalie is kind of important.
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by Steve Burtch on Feb 26, 2011 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
that's idiotic
but good luck with that Chicago.
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by Steve Burtch on Feb 26, 2011 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
Eh, they won the cup with Neimi maybe they don’t think so.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 26, 2011 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
Niemi’s been pretty lights-out in San Jose of late. Maybe he’s better than people are giving him credit for?
by Draglikepull on Feb 26, 2011 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
Possibly
As has been said on here and other places before… you really need 2-3 seasons worth of data to get a realistic read on a goalie’s true talent level.
He’s definitely been good for a while this year, but it could just be a solid stretch of good play… not his true level of talent.
Try to avoid ascribing a recent string of good play to his “true” talent and we’ll be further ahead in the analysis.
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by Steve Burtch on Feb 26, 2011 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
Right, I’m not saying that he’s amazing, but he’s starting to put together a pretty solid body of work and he’s seeming less like a fluke as time goes by.
In 84 NHL games, Niemi has a GAA of 2.38 and a SV% of .914. He’s not established himself fully yet, but that’s a reasonably large body of work with pretty good results.
by Draglikepull on Feb 26, 2011 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
Well
two things… .914 is about NHL average… so he’s not great….. and secondly 84 games is only about a year and a half.
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by Steve Burtch on Feb 26, 2011 12:18 PM EST up reply actions
.914
would tie him for 22nd in the NHL amongst goalies with over 20 gp… so yeah… not so awe inspiring.
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by Steve Burtch on Feb 26, 2011 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
If we shouldn’t draw conclusions about Niemi after 84 games, then we shouldn’t draw conclusions about Gustavsson after 65 games then, right?
by Draglikepull on Feb 26, 2011 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
Unfortunately
the issue with that logic is, goalies don’t tend to suddenly improve their career SV% numbers by .020 or so over the course of their careers… Gustavsson’s SV% is too low at this stage to make significant increases – at least not on the basis of prior players career numbers.
Even if he is a better goalie, the odds of him getting enough of a shot to prove it in the long term are low.
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by Steve Burtch on Feb 26, 2011 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
Having a goalie is kind of important.
Pff, why? Detroit, Philly and clearly CHI don’t seem to think so.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 26, 2011 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
It also makes me think, they may have some type of plan to add incentive to move Campbell's contract somehow.
Long run it’s the only way to get out of that mess. Maybe Hossa’s instead, but I gotta think they’d much rather move Campbells.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 26, 2011 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
No way they move Hossa’s contract, although I guess it comes off the books once he retires, so maybe.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 26, 2011 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
Meh
I think they’ll keep getting replacement level goaltending in the system or through UFA, anything to keep it cheap. I don’t see DET ever overpaying for a goaltender.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 26, 2011 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
Good news, everyone!
NHL.com is trying to give us a hint!
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(The jerseys, ignore the advertisement parts. Also, I’m pretty sure this is the basis for at least one Eklund trade per month)
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by Bower Power on Feb 26, 2011 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
Stastny and Staal? woot!
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by Bower Power on Feb 26, 2011 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
the rangers are in on McCabe and will still need to make room for Richards
IT MAKES SO MUCH SENSE
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2011 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
You know what makes even more sense? The rumors of them moving Gaborik to make room for Richards :S
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by happiergilmore on Feb 26, 2011 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
If the last NYPost report had any truth to it in terms of the asking price, and then the trade deadline comes and goes and then Richards leaves for another team on July 1, Niewendyk is going to look like a complete buffoon.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 26, 2011 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
Neal+ for Goligoski
I think the ship has sailed on “buffoon”…
On a serious note, would you make a trade for a low value return (concussion) right now if you were Nieuwendyk? Considering you were fighting for a playoff spot?
by potvin vs hextall on Feb 26, 2011 11:01 AM EST up reply actions
If were them I’d throw all the moneys in the world at him to keep him there, at least a year or 2 (if possible, likely he’d want longer term).
And before we use the argument that he needs to not spend money due to their management situation, maybe he shouldn’t have extended Trevor Daley for $20M over the next 6 years, or work harder to moving Ribiero and use part of his salary to re-sign Richards.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 26, 2011 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
looks like we’re getting a Flyers puck, too.
by leaflover4ever on Feb 26, 2011 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
and some huggies
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by happiergilmore on Feb 26, 2011 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
I’m guessing one of the “honour the troops” nights.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 26, 2011 11:06 AM EST up reply actions
I thought those were puck marks at first.
by potvin vs hextall on Feb 26, 2011 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
Rough day in practice.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 26, 2011 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
it is
they wore camo jerseys during the warm up.
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by Steve Burtch on Feb 26, 2011 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
They were just all of Stempniak’s old jerseys.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 26, 2011 12:21 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
they've
been in a death spiral for a while. longer than just the New Year.
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by Steve Burtch on Feb 26, 2011 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
So their goaltending cooled off and Byfuglien stopped scoring at a ridiculous pace?
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 26, 2011 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
kinda both
yes.
They’re still a decent young team though… but Enstrom got injured, and Byfuglien started to stop putting up points.
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by Steve Burtch on Feb 26, 2011 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
Yea, they just got hot at the wrong time.
Aside from Reimer’s play it doesn’t seem like our recent play has been supported by unsustainable production.
That being said I haven’t crunched the numbers, that seems like a task for Burtch, look at the numbers and tell us why this streak has been an illusion.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 26, 2011 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
it isn't really an illusion
if we can get decent to solid goaltending consistently we can be above .500… not 100 pt team? but 90? that’s realistic.
Also the scoring has picked up a tad…
but yeah right now? We’re giving up too many shots against… our D needs to be better to sustain this kind of play.
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by Steve Burtch on Feb 26, 2011 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
Yea, maybe things settle down a bit with guys like Aulie and Gunnar getting more comfortable in their roles, lets hope.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 26, 2011 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
doubt it happens
in the short term… you don’t take out beauchemin and kaberle (both blocked a fair number of shots) and increase Phaneuf’s and Lebda’s minutes (neither of them block shots particularly well at all)… and see a significant improvement anytime soon.
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by Steve Burtch on Feb 26, 2011 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
Shocking how that will change the analyst’s tune from “This is how the Leafs should have built their team!” to “It was all just lucky goaltending”.
Maybe those “brilliant” trades with CHI weren’t so brilliant afterall.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 26, 2011 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
well
they weren’t inherently bad trades.
To be fair, Pavelec went from posting .914, .950, and .922 in October, November, and December, to posting a .908 and .880 SV% in January and February.
So yeah the goaltending is a bit part of the problem.
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by Steve Burtch on Feb 26, 2011 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
Every team had CHI by the balls in the summer and ATL bailed them out by taking on their worst contracts (or at least, mediocre players who were being paid probably more than they were worth)
Byflugian turned out great, but the others…. meh.
I still like Ladd though.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 26, 2011 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
Sopel
got moved again… so he isn’t helping them right now.
The rest of them are Byfuglien, Ladd, and Eager… Eager’s irrelevant, but the other two are pretty solid.
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by Steve Burtch on Feb 26, 2011 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
Ya, what I mean is
Byflugian I thought at the time was a bad trade… turned out amazing for them. Points for that.
Ladd I thought could have gotten for much cheaper, and taking Eager and Sopel off CHI’s hands was a present.
I dunno, I just think they did CHI a favour they didn’t have to.
Also, CHI should probably not have matched Hjalmmerson’s offer sheet.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 26, 2011 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
Didn’t Eager get moved to SJ?
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by whyevenbother on Feb 26, 2011 3:26 PM EST up reply actions
ah yes
he did… that makes him MORE irrelevant anyway.
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by Steve Burtch on Feb 26, 2011 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
Lol did we break him
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by jimmyp22 on Feb 26, 2011 11:35 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
They’re the anti-Devils
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 26, 2011 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
The use of the word “winless” in that sentence is weird. Shouldn’t it just say “Atlanta has lost 16 of it’s last 19 games”, I mean, and OTL is still a loss. Winless only really works for a string of losses/ties (which we don’t have anymore), like “Atlanta is winless in 5 straight”.
I think winless is accurate. An OTL is a loss, except you get one point for them. Loss historically implies you got zero points.
I just think it’s the wrong use of the word in that they are using it to refer to 16 individual games over a 19 game stretch, whereas “winless” is usually used to qualify a clump of games (e.g. in their last 6). You wouldn’t say “the Leafs went winless in their game last night”.
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Proper use of words police!
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 26, 2011 6:03 PM EST up reply actions
They still have Auld! Well shit.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 26, 2011 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
That’s Auld folks.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 26, 2011 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
Staal is out too
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by jimmyp22 on Feb 26, 2011 11:33 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
anyone know of a site that has somewhat recent draft rankings done by someone who isn’t an hfboards monkey?
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2011 11:36 AM EST reply actions
Like
2011 ISS rankings?
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 26, 2011 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
yeah, but the most recent ones i can find are december, im looking for some more recent ones
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2011 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
I think the legit ones only come out like 3 times a year or something though
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 26, 2011 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
yeah, the movement of players up and down the draft is kinda nuts, there are currently like 30 different players the Leafs “could” draft if they kept those two late picks
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2011 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
well they come out more often
McKeen’s does stuff pretty regularly, as do ISS and CSS… but you have to pay for access… and most “fans” don’t bother.
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by Steve Burtch on Feb 26, 2011 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
I’ll just wait until we get closer to the end of the season and the rankings become final (or close to final)
I have no interest in how they move throughout the year, plus I don’t know enough about any of them unless I heard their name during the WJCs
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 26, 2011 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
the more I think about it, the more I want Burke to keep those two 25+ picks than trade up with both to get 17th or whatever
And I don’t see him moving them for any player who isnt of a stastny level (I hope)
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2011 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
Burke will have a hardon for 1 or two prospects in the 1st round. If he can’t trade up to get one, he’ll probably use both 1sts. He better not trade them down.
Only thing I might hope is if he doesn’t like any of the players left remaining in the 1st, trade a 1st (or maybe both) to a team for their 2012 1st and hope that class is better.
Don’t know if any team would take that though.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 26, 2011 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
present value
is higher than future… always…. so yeah someone would likely do that.
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by Steve Burtch on Feb 26, 2011 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
In money yes
I am very familiar with the concept of time value.
There is an argument for draft class strength as a whole though, and a 1st rounder, or equal level pick (i.e. 20th) doesn’t necessarily have the same value from year to year.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 26, 2011 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
next years draft keeps being talked about as “better” but Burke is on the accelerated rebuild, so i dont know if he would opt out on players that are probably at least a year behind in development
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2011 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
I could easily see us pulling an OTT (1st for Rundblad) and trading a 1st (or both) for a more developed prospect in another system.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 26, 2011 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
possible, but if Burke is trading picks for players, he is going to want someone NHL ready
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2011 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
Or fringe-NHL ready (Gardiner, Colborne)
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 26, 2011 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
Those two
are probably over a year away methinks.
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by Steve Burtch on Feb 26, 2011 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
Which is fine by me. Fringe-NHL was sort of a grey-area term, I guess I meant more closer than say 3rd year junior hockey.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 26, 2011 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
that’s more of a getting younger thing, im sure if Burke could have gotten more NHL ready players for his vets he would have.
If he is going to make the organization “older” they are going to be ready to put up a good fight in camp
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2011 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
I seriously think
if you look at the kids in the organization, that Burke is targeting the team being really competitive in 3 years or so.
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by Steve Burtch on Feb 26, 2011 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
right around
when Grabo is 30.
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by Steve Burtch on Feb 26, 2011 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
yup, he as a flexible time table that probably goes a year in either direction
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2011 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
I'd actually
rather keep both picks and just draft twice in the first round rather than trade up. The difference between a 17th overall and two picks in the mid 20’s isn’t that large.
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by Steve Burtch on Feb 26, 2011 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
yup, that’s what I was trying to get a lay of with the rankings.
after the top 9 or so players everything else is just a scattered mess of names that seem based on what ever team was occupying that draft pick slot picking for need
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2011 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
If he can’t trade those picks into the top 5, I don’t want him to trade up. Unless it was a trade involving ONE of the first round picks, which is actually a pretty common move on draft day. Boston’s 1st + Philly’s 3rd for the 16th overall pick or something.
by Draglikepull on Feb 26, 2011 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
yup, if both go, i want top 10, but I would not at all be against a “schenn move” combining later round picks to up the one pick
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2011 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
both
won’t move you up to a top 10 pick in all likelihood.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 26, 2011 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
Nope, I can’t see another team taking that type of trade.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 26, 2011 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
oh I know, I’m just saying that that is the only way I would be “ok” with trading two for one, especially with the distribution of talent in the draft
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2011 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
they only really do
mid-term and end of year.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 26, 2011 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
the CSS and ISS
both keep rankings… but the updates are monthly I think.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 26, 2011 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
here
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 26, 2011 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
hit the rankings button
to make it 2011.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 26, 2011 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
you can also
sort by position
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 26, 2011 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
Assuming for a minute
that we hold on to both 1st round picks, it will be neat to have a good PPP discussion on who we should draft in the 1st round. I haven’t been on this site long enough for that.
I’ll also early suggest some type of contest to see if anyone can get 1 or both picks the right player.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 26, 2011 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
if the Leafs have both picks come time to draft, i am 90 percent sure Burke lands Oleksiak with one of them and a skill player with the other
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2011 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
Ah, the 6'7" Toronto boy
Burke does love his boys to have size that’s for sure.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 26, 2011 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
yes and
look how well Barron Smith and DeVane are turning out.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 26, 2011 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
and that other kid
from the Philly Jr. Flyers that went to New Hampshire and isn’t playing at all. Knodel.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 26, 2011 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
yeah, but none of thse guys were consistently ranked in the 1st round
Oleksiak is a freak of nature, not just from his height but his build, 240 as an 18 year old is insane, unless he is a fatass or something
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2011 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
Kind of a cool name too, which is clearly high on Burke’s importance when drafting/trading for players (McKegg, Crabb, Sweatt)
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 26, 2011 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
one possible I am very intrigued by is Tomas Jurco, kid has amazing puck skills
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2011 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t want to get my hopes up, as I’m terrified as to what Burke is going to do with these picks.
Just to mess with us he may set the picks on fire.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 26, 2011 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
6'7" 244 lbs.
that’s pretty nuts… but 244 isn’t that big for 6’7"…
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 26, 2011 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
he also
only has 3 goals and 11 points in 31 games… so we’d be getting him for his Size and D potential only.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 26, 2011 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
Not always the worst thing, but ya I don’t know enough about him to know if he’s anything more than just a goon on skates.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 26, 2011 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
yeah, which is why I think burke takes him only if he has two picks and can afford to take a “cant teach size” project
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2011 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
he is rated 27th
so I hope there’s more to him than his size.
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- Sir Winston Churchill
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by Steve Burtch on Feb 26, 2011 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
here's
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 26, 2011 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
wow…what a horribly put together vid, too fast, no sound
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2011 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
yep
I hadn’t watched it… but it’s pretty brutal now that I have.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 26, 2011 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
Ya I saw the video… terrible quality.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 26, 2011 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
For comparison, Chara is 6’9 255. Not much difference between that, and I don’t think anyone complains about Chara’s size. It’s difficult to tell what the kids like without at least seeing him, better yet watching him play.
"Callgirl! She was a callgirl!"
"No Cyril, when they're dead, they're just hookers!"
24/02/11: I was there.
Yeah
but I think Chara being huge is only part of what makes him great, he’s also a very good hockey player.
Chris McCallister was a huge man, but he sucked in the NHL.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 26, 2011 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
yup, and before he hit his stride in the NHL, no one had a clue he would be half as good as he is, his pre second year Ottawa numbers were far from impressive
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2011 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
hmm
Chara was drafted 56th overall… that’s not totally horrid… it’s a lot higher than Datsyuk.
But yeah his numbers prior to Ottawa weren’t that amazing, agreed.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 26, 2011 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
hell even his first year in Ottawa was mediocre, not horrible by any stretch but they didn’t exactly hint at him becoming what he is today
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2011 5:29 PM EST up reply actions
From what I recall of watching him, his skating was horrible. He got a whole lot quicker a few years in. Maybe took time getting used to that huge body?
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-Cornelius Hardenbergh
I'll
do a detailed run down on the players the Leafs are looking at before the draft… I always do.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 26, 2011 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
It’ll just be nice to be targetting things starting before pick #62 this time.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 26, 2011 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
Haha weird tweet by Kypreos
Earlier today…
@RealKyper
Nick Kypreos
#NHL news. Look for #Panthers Bryan McCabe to be traded to the #Rangers as early as today. McCabe willing to waive no-movement clause.
Then 1 minute ago
@RealKyper
Nick Kypreos
I’m confident it will get done. Those fuckers at tsn try to discredit me all the time. I’m really pissed! As always….thanks for yo …
Then Bob reacting
@TSNBobMcKenzie
Bob McKenzie
@RealKyper You probably thought that was a direct message Kypper. LOL.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 26, 2011 12:00 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
Haha
@FriedgeHNIC
Elliotte Friedman
@RealKyper outstanding
Btw, Kypreos immediately deleted the tweet.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 26, 2011 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah
if it wasn’t for those FUCKERS at the other networks he’d be getting paid a gazillion dollars!
I’m really wondering about his sanity with that tweet.
I don’t remember anyone at other networks ever mentioning him to discredit him.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 26, 2011 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
Real_ESPNLeBrun Pierre LeBrun
Blue Jackets claim Rivet off re-entry
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by happiergilmore on Feb 26, 2011 12:03 PM EST reply actions
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Flyers claim Boynton off waivers
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by happiergilmore on Feb 26, 2011 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
yeah
lots of players going on waivers the past couple of days.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 26, 2011 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
Yep and the Caps snatched up Sturm.
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by happiergilmore on Feb 26, 2011 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
Belak cleared :(
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by happiergilmore on Feb 26, 2011 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
Caps
need his depth… that helps em.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 26, 2011 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
particularly
since they lost Fleischmann
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 26, 2011 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
LOL
@Real_ESPNLeBrun
Pierre LeBrun
TB puts Curtis McElhinney on waivers
Nice trade TBL
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well
they traded to get RID of Ellis… they didn’t want McElhinney.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 26, 2011 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
they have
2 goalies still in Smith and Roloson.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 26, 2011 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
McElhinney was also an insurance policy incase Smith got claimed on re-entry waivers.
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by Bower Power on Feb 26, 2011 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
Kyper: Shitstorm incoming
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by Bower Power on Feb 26, 2011 12:06 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Haha
I posted that up there, but nice actual screengrab
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 26, 2011 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
Holy Jesus
@Real_ESPNLeBrun
Pierre LeBrun
Blues put Ty Conlkin on waivers
@Real_ESPNLeBrun
Pierre LeBrun
Sens place Pascal Leclaire on waivers
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everyone
is clearing cap space to make other trades… this is good news.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 26, 2011 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
you could basically
get a shitty goalie pretty easily at this point.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 26, 2011 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
I think the waiver wire
is seeing more action than (insert person you don’t like’s name here)’s mom on friday night.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 26, 2011 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
Good time to put Gustavsson on waivers, methinks. Not much chance he’d get grabbed when other goalies are passing through waivers no problem.
by Draglikepull on Feb 26, 2011 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
he's a lot younger
than those guys… and I think cheaper… so maybe not.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 26, 2011 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
I’d just wait til after the deadline – if someone acquires him, they won’t be able to use him until next year.
It’d count as one of the four roster moves, but meh.
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I’m pretty sure if you claim a player off waivers you have to either put them on your NHL roster immediately or put them back on waivers. You can’t just claim a guy off waivers and stuff him in the minors.
by Draglikepull on Feb 26, 2011 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
Correct, but he’s not allowed to actually play a regular season game or playoff game until the following year if picked up after the trade deadline.
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Makes sense. Conklin is getting outplayed by Bishop / Allen, LeClaire is getting outplayed by anyone staying healthy.
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by Bower Power on Feb 26, 2011 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
Who is backing up in OTT now? Lehner?
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 26, 2011 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
or Brodeur
not sure
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 26, 2011 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
One of the two. But Anderson is playing so well that it makes sense to finally shift to a vet-rookie setup, rather than busted-ass-leclaire-and-whoever-else-we-could-find.
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by Bower Power on Feb 26, 2011 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
All new waivers for today
@TSNBobMcKenzie
Bob McKenzie
Players on waivers: Brett Carson (CAR), Jason Jaffray (ANA), D.J.King (WAS), Nathan Lawson (NYI), Rob Schremp (NYI), Pascal Leclaire (OTT)..
DJ King? Guess they didn’t win that trade… poor Rob Schremp.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 26, 2011 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
...and the rest
@TSNBobMcKenzie
Bob McKenzie
Players on waivers: Ty Conklin (STL), Curtis McElhinney (TB), Tim Stapleton (ATL)
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 26, 2011 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
I’d take a flyer on Schremp, because why the fuck not? the rest is a gigantic pile of meh
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2011 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
Schremp is one of those cautionary tales it seems…. just huge junior career and hasn’t been able to cut it at an NHL level in any significant way.
Too small for our bottom 6, not good enough for our Top 6… i doubt Burke claims him
I doubt Burke does any waiver pickups.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 26, 2011 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
he can join Gustavsson and Brunstrom on the marlies as part of the “shattered dreams” squad
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2011 12:28 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Ricoh Coliseum
Located at 100 Princes’ Boulevard of Broken Dreams
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 26, 2011 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
another example
of that would be Cory Locke… huge AHL and CHL numbers… nothing in the NHL. Schremp is actually not that bad at the NHL level from an offense perspective, but his D is shit.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 26, 2011 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
Corey Locke’s numbers are terribly impressive until they get to the NHL. I don’t get it.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 26, 2011 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
too slow + too small
is the most likely explanation.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 26, 2011 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
yup, he has AHL wheels, also his work ethic isn’t that great
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2011 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
he can think far enough ahead
that he’s the leading scorer in the AHL… but at the NHL level his physical speed isn’t there to keep up with his brain, and the guys around him just pound the crap out of him so he doesn’t get enough space to work.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 26, 2011 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe, but it’s kind of sad almost… I feel like there’s got to be a way to improve speed, or teach him how to play the game as a small kid.
Too much talent to hit a ceiling this close to playing in the bigs.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 26, 2011 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
He really isn't
that bad offensively… 15.6% shooting, 10 goals and 22 points in 44 games. He only has 63 shots though, that’s way too low.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 26, 2011 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
13:54 in year 1 (7 goals 25 pts in 44 gp)
15:04 in year 2. 10 goals 22 pts in 44 gp.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 26, 2011 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
but the numbers are shifting
last year his goals were mainly on the PP… this year they’re mainly ES.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 26, 2011 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
put it this way
in 95 NHL games (13 more than a full season) he has 17 goals and 50 points while averaging 14:17 a night in ice time.
That really isn’t that bad for rookie numbers.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 26, 2011 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
unfortunately
he’s -17 this year, and -20 in his career.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 26, 2011 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
but really
how different is that from Bozak? he’s putting up similar offensive numbers in way less ice time… almost 5 minutes less a night.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
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by Steve Burtch on Feb 26, 2011 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
and
I bet his line mates are worse. Oh and he is also only 24.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 26, 2011 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
comparable for me?
would be the likes of Dan Cleary.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 26, 2011 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
Damn I was waiting for the Octo-Burtch… this is only a Septa-Burtch
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 26, 2011 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
I gotta say that I was counting these with great anticipation. I’ve seen the octo-burtch, is that the record? Has there ever been 9?
President of the Emotional Hedging club.
24/02/2011: I was there when Brett Lebda scored.
Probably
now it’s obvious that people let me go until I run out of steam just to see how far I’ll take it.
Guess I’ll just have to not reply to my own threads anymore.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 26, 2011 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
there is probably more too it, like attitude issues. I know his work ethic is terrible (it has been since his knights days)
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2011 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
If you look at Cleary's numbers
He wasn’t allowed on the ice for over 14 minutes a game until he was 28 years old with the Red Wings.
He didn’t post over 35 points in an 81 game season until he was 28 with the Wings.
Realistically he had similar comments made about his abilities, size, dedication etc. when he was in Edmonton and Phoenix.
I think a fair bit of it is maturity… Schremp still has a long career ahead of him, and despite bouncing to his 3rd team, I don’t think he’s destined for just an AHL career.
Kid was a 25th overall pick and top scorer in the CHL… I think he’ll figure things out eventually.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 26, 2011 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
his defensive
numbers were never as bad as Schremp’s but Schremp has played on much younger teams in Edm. and with the Isles.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 26, 2011 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
which is why I want to take a flyer on him. the boom is high and the bust risk is low, he’s free, he’s young and if he sucks, oh well we can waive him without losing anything but a couple grand
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2011 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
Yaaa problem is I think that's what EDM and NYI were both thinking when they grabbed him
I can see “possible” upside but it seems like a longshot. I could see fans getting very frustrated with him.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 26, 2011 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
right
but on our top 6 right now, who do you knock out to put him in there? because you really aren’t playing him in the bottom 6.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 26, 2011 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
right now i’d play him in the AHL and see where things shake out in camp next year
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2011 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
Can’t play him in the AHL if you claim him on waivers, would have to waive again.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 26, 2011 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
yup, I know, if someone claims him, oh well, we lose nothing
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2011 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
I think
a team that needs young offense should pick him up (hello Ottawa).
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 26, 2011 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
we don't
really need more forwards in the AHL, it’d just push another player to the ECHL… we already sent down Caruana and Mitchell this past week.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 26, 2011 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
DJ king must’ve been waived to make room for Sturm. King’s a fighter, they’re thinking playoffs. Makes sense.
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by Bower Power on Feb 26, 2011 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
True but
then why did they trade a prospect to get him in the first place? Silliness.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 26, 2011 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
Because of http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=96526
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by Bower Power on Feb 26, 2011 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
But he was Captain Elbows at the WJC!
Still, a prospect nevertheless… I dont think I ever saw DJ King fight as a Cap
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 26, 2011 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
Uhh…5 this season. In 14 games.
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by Bower Power on Feb 26, 2011 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
That Kyper post was hilarious, Dreger’s response better.
DarrenDreger Darren Dreger
@RealKyper. Thinking??? Hmmm.
I sense some MSM beef
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by happiergilmore on Feb 26, 2011 12:11 PM EST reply actions
there is now
if there wasn’t before.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 26, 2011 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
I was just about to post that. This is becoming way more entertaining than the unit tests I’m writing at the moment.
by Draglikepull on Feb 26, 2011 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
RealKyper Nick Kypreos
I passed my Blackberry to Charlie Sheen for one minute and look what happened….
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by happiergilmore on Feb 26, 2011 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
Bobby Mac’s getting in on it too:
TSNBobMcKenzie Bob McKenzie
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@RealKyper Funny, I always thought when you start thinking we don’t hear you so much as we smell the wood burning. :-)
by Draglikepull on Feb 26, 2011 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
It’s awesome how McKenzie can say some of the pissiest things on Twitter, then think it’s all okay if he tags it with a smiley face at the end.
This is hilarious though.
Professional cusser causer.
by T is for Truculence on Feb 26, 2011 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
the
smiley doesn’t really make it “okay”… I just think Kypreos is going to be a bit of a laughing stock after this one.
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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 26, 2011 1:10 PM EST up reply actions
More than he already was.
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by happiergilmore on Feb 26, 2011 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
yeah exactly
he’s an idiot.
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by Steve Burtch on Feb 26, 2011 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
Off-topic:
Marlies GDT? I’m going but they are rather fun to participate, might as well make them a somewhat regular thing.
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by happiergilmore on Feb 26, 2011 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
Yessssss
make it happen, 3pm on Rogers TV today.
Forward lineup confuses me a bit:
FORWARD LINES
Hamilton – Foster – Scott
Cowan – Colborne – Hanson
Brunnstrom – Zigomanis – Hodgman
J. Mitchell – Kadri – Voros
Are they just preparing Kadri for a career with terrible linemates? Jeez, give him Hanson, Brunnstrom, Hodgman, anyone for crying out loud
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 26, 2011 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
Actually Mitchell is good for him, he’s one of the better players on that team. They’re not doing top 6-bottom 6, they have some scoring on every line.
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by happiergilmore on Feb 26, 2011 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
I'll set one up
I’m not in Toronto though so I can’t watch it… I’ll be listening on AM640.
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- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 26, 2011 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
I'm in Niagara
for the weekend.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 26, 2011 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
Mitchell
is a very solid AHL winger. Just remember, guys that make the NHL out of the AHL for more than 5 games are really good AHLers usually (assuming they’re not just a tough guy)… despite how much Mitchell sucks in the NHL he’s a good player in the AHL.
He put up 20 goals and 51 points in 79 games when he was 23.
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- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 26, 2011 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe
I’m just so used to thinking how bad he is.
Seriously though when I saw him at the game he was anything but impressive. Looked like all the other AHLers (Scott, Foster, Hamilton, etc.). Without the name on the jersey I wouldn’t have known any difference.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 26, 2011 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
LOOK WHAT I MADE
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by happiergilmore on Feb 26, 2011 12:13 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
Haha
There’s always 2011…. thats why he was sent down so early, so he could qualify next year!
yes…. that’s why…
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 26, 2011 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
wow
we’re a hype machine alright… how about we just let him improve slowly.
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- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 26, 2011 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
KFC
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by happiergilmore on Feb 26, 2011 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry Steve
I forgot my sarcasm font
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 26, 2011 12:18 PM EST up reply actions
Calder Cup!
Certified Grabbo lover. GET WELL SOON, SID
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that's a better plan
KFC = Kadri for Calder (cup)
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- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 26, 2011 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
@TSNBobMcKenzie
Bob McKenzie
One GM told me he thinks reason for all the trading/waivers is because the UFA pool on July 1 is so shallow. Not an option for many teams.
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valid
point… that’s a good thing for us I guess.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 26, 2011 1:12 PM EST up reply actions
@JoeYerdonPHT
Joe Yerdon
Interesting note from @asktheduffer that the Thrashers asking price for Bogosian from DET was Hudler, Ericsson or Kindl, and a high pick.
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so what would the Leafs comparo be? Mac and the Bruins 1st?
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2011 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
No clue
but if thats the defenseman Burke lands instead of Liles i’d be very okay with that, and be willing to pay more for it.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 26, 2011 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
I’d do that for Stastny… not Bogosian.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 26, 2011 1:19 PM EST up reply actions
I don't even
think I’d do that for Stastny…
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
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by Steve Burtch on Feb 26, 2011 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
that's
possibly 3 future key components… top 4 D man, top line forward, and a 1st that could be another top 6 forward or top 4 D?
Just don’t know about that.
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- Sir Winston Churchill
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by Steve Burtch on Feb 26, 2011 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
That’s what it would take to get Stastny though. Anything less would be stupid for COL.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 26, 2011 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
well
trading stastny would be stupid… so… really I don’t see a trade that would happen that gets them equivalent value.
Teams almost never get fair value when trading star players.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 26, 2011 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
think about what Edmonton got for Gretzky, Krushelnyski, and McSorley
that’s 3 players INCLUDING Gretzky… and all they got was Carson, Gelinas, 3 first rounders, and cash.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 26, 2011 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
and of course the more recent Joe Thorton trade
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2011 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah
Brad Stuart, Marco Sturm, and Wayne Primeau… not exactly superstars.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 26, 2011 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
Carson
was a 2nd overall pick, that put up 100 points and 49 goals in 80 games for Edmonton as a 20 year old… but it still wasn’t fair value.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 26, 2011 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
While I acknowledge
that Gretzky entered a down phase post trade, I think he would have continued to produce in Edmonton… for that reason alone I think Edmonton didn’t get fair value.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 26, 2011 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
Which is why
the whole Stastny thing came out of nowhere… I don’t see why they would do it from a COL standpoint. Not for cap space, not because he’s putting up disappointing #s, and him and Duchene are a great 1-2 punch down the C.
But he is 25 and a PPG player, I would make that trade from a Toronto perspective.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 26, 2011 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
again
it’s too close to fair value… if they’re that serious about trading him? then I don’t see that offer coming in.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 26, 2011 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
Toronto = _________, Gunnarsson and a pick?
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by happiergilmore on Feb 26, 2011 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
I never really considered Detroit as a potential candidate for Bogo, but now that I think about it, with Lidstrom probably done within the next year or two that would actually be a shrewd move.
by Draglikepull on Feb 26, 2011 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
Rumour fail
@Real_ESPNLeBrun
Pierre LeBrun
Regarding all the Detroit/Bogosian chatter, Ken Holland says via text that there’s ZERO truth to it; hasn’t spoken once to Atl about him
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 26, 2011 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
well
so much for that then? In which case we still have no clue what Atl would want for Bogosian.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 26, 2011 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly
Not for Stastny either.
In fact, I don’t think any legitimate source can confirm either one is even available.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 26, 2011 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
THE LEGEND with the optimism!
@Brenter37
Tim Brent
No help from other teams last night…but it doesn’t matter to us. We will do it our way, take care of our own destiny. Pitt tonight-Lets go
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Twitter is amazing. I wish armdog would post more though….
It is funny tracking Bozak’s Call of Duty playing on his account. It really is a young team…
Komisarek kinda stopped posting too, didn’t he?
Probably for the best. :P
by leaflover4ever on Feb 26, 2011 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
VLM Piece
I totally have that LP in mint condition! It will soon be framed for display in the man caverne. Figured it was something special.
Thanks for the link birky.
Does anyone
know anything about where the MacArthur negotiations are at?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
Last I heard, Meehan was talking about submitting an offer at 3 years/9 mil.
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Burke counters with 3 years/ 7.5 mil. Meet in the middle at 3 years/ 8.1. Mac A has a cap hit of 2.7 and everyone is happy.
burke could also throw in a limited NTC guaranteeing that he wont be traded to EDM. This is worth bringing the 300k he will be giving up
by schennsational on Feb 26, 2011 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
a limited NTC guaranteeing that he wont be traded to EDM
A good agent would make this a standard clause in every contract.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 26, 2011 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
An even better one would include a standard no-trade clause guaranteeing that his client couldn’t be traded to any city above the 45th parallel and voiding the contract if the franchise should move to such a location. This would keep the player out of Edmonton and Ottawa and prevent him from signing somewhere like Atlanta, only to see the team up and move to Winnipeg or Quebec City.
I don't see
MacArthur being happy with that personally… but ok…
Something tells me it doesn’t make a lot of sense to give MacArthur a LOWER contract ($2.9 mill cap hit) than Grabovski when you’re talking about not paying a “one hit wonder” considering Grabovski had posted one season with 20 goals and 48 points as a 25 year old?
MacArthur is on track for a 26 goal 66 point season… giving him LESS than Grabovski got doesn’t really seem fair to me… and I doubt Meehan would be cool with it either.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 26, 2011 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
Honestly
If you don’t JUMP at the chance to take a guy that’s put up 66 points and 26 goals as a 25 year old (one year only or not) for only $3 mill, then I think you’re a bit of an idiot as a GM. If he’s just positioning himself to make a trade then fine, but I also don’t get why you’d break up one of the most productive lines the team has had in years – particularly when the team is having such a hard time producing offense consistently.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 26, 2011 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
I've made this point
over and over and over and over again… I don’t disagree with the idea of keeping RFA’s contracts to a reasonable level, but less than $3 mill by a significant margin, when you’ve already signed Grabovski to a $2.9 mill 3 year deal after one 20 goal 48 point season seems a bit stupid.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 26, 2011 2:09 PM EST up reply actions
Burke is a jerk. He wants to keep Clarke but doesn’t want to pay him much. If he was actually serious about trading Clarke, he wouldn’t have said the “one-hit wonder” comment.
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I don't think he's particularly a jerk
he’s just using the media as a negotiating tactic… it’s a bit obvious and stupid I think… and I don’t think meehan really gives a shit… but it might spook MacArthur a bit. He’s just a 25 year old afterall… and he probably has memories from last fall of not having a lot of offers.
If it’s any consolation he’d have a lot more interest this time around.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 26, 2011 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
if Burke
trades MacArthur he’d better get decent value though, because trading a 25 year old 26 goal 66 point player isn’t something you do just to get a draft pick or a shitty 6th D man on his last legs.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 26, 2011 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
Honestly, if MacArthur gets traded because Burke keeps lowballing him, I would totally be on MacArthur’s side. He doesn’t have to take this shit from a GM that gave Komisarek 4 million+ and an NTC and now all of a sudden is talking shit about “one-hit wonders” to his team leader is scoring who works his ass off.
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UFA vs RFA. No one else can bid on Macarthur, and honestly, if a team wants to offer sheet him at $4 million a year or something I would be fine with taking the picks.
by Draglikepull on Feb 26, 2011 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
How many picks if it’s 4 million? 3 million?
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$3 mill
puts you at a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd rounder.
$4 mill makes it two 1sts, a 2nd, and a 3rd rounder… i.e. the Phil Kessel deal.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 26, 2011 2:40 PM EST up reply actions
oh and for the record
that’s basically the type of trade Burke would need to be making if he’s dealing MacArthur for futures.
If he doesn’t get that type of value back, he’s failing in the trade.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 26, 2011 2:41 PM EST up reply actions
Does anyone offer sheet him at 4 mil and give up those picks? I doubt it.
by schennsational on Feb 26, 2011 2:41 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly. I don’t think Burke should low-ball him that much, but something in the range of Grabbo’s deal is totally reasonable.
by Draglikepull on Feb 26, 2011 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
Except Burke is trying to push for a Kule-like 2.4 million deal from what I hear
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I think Grabbo’s deal is completely fair for MacAruthur. Grabbo’s position gives him extra value plus Grabbo is overpaid based on past production. MacArthur has better production at less of a premium position he should be signed somewhere around 2.9.
Regardless of this argument if he signs for the full 3 that he is aqpparently asking for we would have the MGK line under contarct for 8.3mil which is very good bang for your buck.
by schennsational on Feb 26, 2011 2:50 PM EST up reply actions
Until Kulie and Grabbo need new deals next year. Those guys are both getting pretty big raises if they can play this well again next year.
by Draglikepull on Feb 26, 2011 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
I’m wrong. One season at that price will be nice though
by schennsational on Feb 26, 2011 2:53 PM EST up reply actions
Kulie will still be RFA, luckily, but Grabbo will be UFA, meaning we’ll be paying full value for him, which is probably somewhere in the $5 million range if he keeps playing like this.
by Draglikepull on Feb 26, 2011 2:54 PM EST up reply actions
this is insane
why do THEY deserve big raises while MacArthur doesn’t? wtf kinda logic is this?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 26, 2011 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
if MacArthur
is worth $2.9 mill… then their value hasn’t increased at all… he has more points than either of them…
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 26, 2011 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
I said if they can put up the same kind of numbers next year as they have this year, ie. if they show that this is their real talent level and not just a lucky season. Grabovksi will also be a pending UFA, which gives him much more negotiating leverage. Kulemin and Grabovski also bring other things to the table to Macarthur doesn’t – both play the PK, for example, and Kulemin is probably our best forward defensively.
Also, Macarthur is going to get a big raise, probably something like 2.5-3 times what he currently makes what he currently makes.
by Draglikepull on Feb 26, 2011 5:05 PM EST up reply actions
Grabo
signed that deal after ONE season of 20 goals and 48 points… ONE SEASON.
MacArthur is a 4 year vet, and he’s on track for 26 goals and 66 points.
How the hell are those equivalent?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 26, 2011 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
You're missing something here
if you had to negotiate Grabovski’s contract RIGHT now… he’d get a lot more than $2.9 mill per year.
So thinking that MacArthur deserves the same as what Grabovski negotiated 2 seasons ago really doesn’t make a lot of sense.
You’re taking Grabovski’s salary negotiated on the basis of Grabovski’s play 2 years ago, and then applying Grabovski’s play from THIS season… you have to compare how Grabovski played 2 years ago to how MacArthur is playing this season.
Do that comparison and tell me you think MacArthur deserves the same amount… if you come to that conclusion I’d like to read your explanation.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 26, 2011 3:45 PM EST up reply actions
Just because Komisarek got overpaid does not mean that all other players coming to / resigning with the Leafs should expect to get overpaid. MacArthur’s value is similar to that of Grabovski who is making 2.9mil. Grabovski is a C and centers come at a premium so MacArthur should come in somewhere around 2.8- 3.0mil. As chillin said below if Burke can get him under contract for less than 3.5 he is doing really good but if Meehan is using 3 as a starting point it is Burke’s duty to at least talk him down a little.
by schennsational on Feb 26, 2011 2:35 PM EST up reply actions
But
the issue with this logic is… Grabovski was given his $2.9 mill contract after HE was a one hit wonder and he produced a hell of a lot less, with a lot less of a track record than MacArthur has.
So by that argument alone, MacArthur deserves MORE than $2.9 million.
You can’t compare Grabovski’s CURRENT production to MacArthur’s when you’re looking at the contracts they signed. You have to look at his production when he signed his contract.
It’s really annoying to see people do that so often.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 26, 2011 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
Yup, and if you look at wtf Komisarek was doing before he got signed to 4 million…
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don't use Komi as a comparison
he was UFA… MacArthur is RFA… the reason Grabovski is a good comparable is he signed his contract at the age of 25 and was also RFA… but in THAT comparison, you pay MacArthur more than $2.9… not less.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 26, 2011 2:39 PM EST up reply actions
Assuming that the market is based on team-mates, but I doubt it is, and centres are almost always worth more than wingers because they take draws and play a larger defensive role.
by Draglikepull on Feb 26, 2011 2:40 PM EST up reply actions
right
I really don’t see how this makes any logical sense… last I checked the highest paid players in the NHL aren’t all C’s.
Teams pay for offense… defensive responsibility isn’t really what drives dollars and cents in contract negotiations (whether or not that’s a good thing isn’t the point).
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 26, 2011 3:43 PM EST up reply actions
You think Manny Malhotra makes $3 million this year for the roughly 10 goals and 30 points he’s been good for throughout his career? Or did Vancouver give him a pretty sizeable contract to be their 3rd centre because he’s great on the draw and excellent defensively?
by Draglikepull on Feb 26, 2011 5:09 PM EST up reply actions
Or how about Colby Armstrong, do you think he got a $3 million contract to score 15 goals? Or perhaps it’s because he kills penalties, is strong defensively, and brings a lot of energy to the team?
by Draglikepull on Feb 26, 2011 5:11 PM EST up reply actions
and no I'm not assuming
that on the basis of them being team-mates… it has a lot more to do with Burke’s comments about “one hit wonders” and the fact that Grabovski was a 25 year old forward, and MacArthur is a 25 year old forward.
Beyond that I don’t see a huge number of similarities.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
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by Steve Burtch on Feb 26, 2011 3:46 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed – I imagine he comes in pretty close to asking price, which is still a pretty solid deal, considering a lot of numbers that have been flying around here (appropriately, too) are in the 3.5m cap hit range.
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yeah
and continuing on the Grabovski track – people keep raising the issue of MacArthur’s prior seasons and lack of production – MacArthur had played 208 NHL games and produced 44 goals and 88 points prior to this season… Grabovski had played 27 NHL games, and produced 3 goals and 9 points prior to his 20 goal 48 point season.
Who had more of a track record?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 26, 2011 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
I actually thought the Grabbo deal was a bit of an overpayment at the time. That being said, the market for RFAs took a bit of a nosedive last summer. RFA contracts tend to be based on what other similar RFAs have made recently, not what other players on the same team are making.
by Draglikepull on Feb 26, 2011 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
I guess capgeek has a list of NHL players who have twitter and their account names.
Someone mentioned that yesterday.
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Feb 26, 2011 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
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by Future_considerations on Feb 26, 2011 2:47 PM EST reply actions
Pretty good deal for both teams, I think. Interesting how the values of McCabe and Kaberle have changed over the past few years.
by Draglikepull on Feb 26, 2011 2:50 PM EST up reply actions
Not really sure what the Panthers want with Kennedy, to be honest. He’s looking to be a small 3rd liner, which the Panthers don’t really need.
I get that McCabe is a rental and all, but I would have thought Tallon could have done better.
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Tucker
How long did he have left on his contract? we still have to pay him for 3 more years.
woulda been UFA after this year
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 26, 2011 2:59 PM EST up reply actions
Was bought out at the end of 07-08, had 3 years left on it.
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- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
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