Ding Dong! The Mitch wears Blue, White, and RED!
by JP Nikota on Mar 1, 2011 7:12 AM EST
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PrintYesterday afternoon, Brian Burke scored with a buzzer beater to trade John Mitchell to the New York Rangers for a seventh-round draft pick. After what was a relatively quiet deadline day, expensive champagne was uncorked, fine bottles of single-malt whiskey were shared, and later, several Colt 45's were slammed down, as the executives of Maple Leafs Sports Entertainment Limited celebrated the lifting of a plague.
In a moment of levity, Brian Burke, the proud, new owner of dazzling, ruby-encrusted (if ill-fitting) ruby high-heels joked to reporters of The Globe and Mail:
"He played some good hockey here and I want to thank him for that and wish him well,"
What a joker.
Seriously though, we all know John F. Mitchell was no longer a part of the problem with this organization, but I'd still like to applaud Burke's handling of yesterday's trade deadline. There was no mortgaging of the future, no lowering of the bar to send off anyone who can still help this team now, and if one person had to go, John Mitchell was a swell choice, since he's now no longer cluttering up the AHL ranks needed to give ice time to the likes of Joe Colborne.
More links after the jump.
Leafs Links:
Brian Burke Deadline Day Press Conference
Jonas Siegel at AM640 has the audio.
Deadline Passes, Rangers Acquire John Mitchell from Leafs - Blueshirt Banter
Rangers fans don't seem to grasp the full weight of this action.
Kessel named NHL’s first star
This may have been overlooked by some in the stampede of news from Twitter, but Kessel's exceptional recent play sure turned a head or two among NHL staff.
Are the Leafs good enough?
Michael Langlois takes a look at a few of Burke's recent trades, and wonders whether the team is set to succeed in the coming years.
Trade Deadline Pandemonium
Jeff Veillette posted his thoughts throughout the unfolding deadline day.
Consolidated Stats For Leaf Top Prospects
Curt over at Blue Chip Prospects is taking inventory of our prospects' production at all levels.
Toronto Maple Leafs Legends: Les Kozak
Joe Pelletier looks back on an unlikely career path that went from the Seminary to the NHL.
Other Hockey Links:
What does it Take to be a Goon? - Behind The Net
Gabe Desjardins points out that most NHL teams say 'size'.
Monday's Three Stars
The latest from Sean Leahy at Puck Daddy.
Puck Daddy's 2011 NHL Trade Deadline Report Card
Burke gets an A-. I'd have to say I agree.
Colten Teubert
Although this just a bit of ruminating about an Oilers trade by Tyler Dellow, it raises an interesting question about when teams trade for prospects: How much does a GM really know about them, and how much is he relying on his scouts?
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Got it up just now, and now I don’t mean… :D
GWWWHAAAA!
by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Mar 1, 2011 7:22 AM EST reply actions
A few interesting tidbits from the presser:
One thing that surprised me a bit, although this may only be due to the fact that I missed an earlier rant, is how angry Burke was about this “4 call-ups after the deadline” rule. He called it stupid, and devoid of any logic. I can’t say I agree with him entirely, but it sure would be nice to have a look at some of our prospects in the bigs if and when the playoffs are out of the picture.
Another thing is that Claude Loiselle is responsible for negotiating all contracts. That’ll be something to keep in mind come Free Agency season. It’s an interesting ploy to distance Burke from the acrimony that can arise contract negotiations, among other things, I’m sure.
Apparently, Loiselle and Don Meehan (MacArthur’s agent) spoke yesterday, and agreed to continue negotiating. That’s good, I guess. Burke was adamant that the delay in re-signing him is simply in the difficulty to determine MacArthur’s worth, not because of any acrimony between the sides.
Oh, you better believe that's a paddling.
Yep I think a deal can be and will be reached. He wants to stay here, Burke wants him.
“it sure would be nice to have a look at some of our prospects in the bigs if and when the playoffs are out of the picture.” Agreed.
GWWWHAAAA!
by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Mar 1, 2011 7:39 AM EST up reply actions
Haha I'm pretty sure valuing his deal will become the new Kulemin-contract-a-palooza of 2011.
TBH I’m more interested in how they value Schenn though. Much more tricky those defensive defenseman. We can arbitrarily but a number like $3.5, or cap it on the high end using M. Staal’s deal (definitely won’t be higher than that), but as to how they determine those values behind close doors…. intriiiiiiiguing.
We’ve now switched from trade mode to capgeek mode… but more importantly, winning some muthafucking Death March games! I’m not ready for the offseason just yet!
20 miles to Legoland!
I was think about Schenn yesterday
How awesome is it that our corner stone. One of our top (top 3?) players we want to build around is likely going to cost as much as a good 2nd line forward, complimentary first line forward or #3 defenseman (assuming somewhere in 3.2-3.8 mil). Pretty sweet eh?
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I was thinking about Schenn yesterday
and how awesome is it that in a few years we’ll have a totally studly, awesome Captain with more intangibles then just dressing room tunes selection.
Dion Phaneuf: turning the tunes up since '10
Will be interesting to see term.
I’d love if we could lock him up right until his last RFA year at a decent price, however Burke may do another one of these 2-3 year deals to make sure he’s got the solid piece he wants in a cornerstone defender.
20 miles to Legoland!
if Burke goes long term with anyone on this team
i have a feeling it would be Luke Schenn
Unabashed fan of the surprise 2012 Stanley Cup champs
He's as close as we have to a "can't miss" young kid right now.
I guess that’s what 5th overall buys you.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 1, 2011 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
Baby Luke Schenn
Speaking of young kids, for those keeping score at home, my wife finally had that baby I mentioned on here just over a week ago. Came out right around the time Kaberle was traded (seriously).
His name is Lucian (family name)… Don’t tell my wife, but in my head, it’s pronouned “Luke Schenn.”
See what I did there?
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by Berezin's Spleen on Mar 1, 2011 2:53 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Nice. (…and congratulations!)
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CONGRATS!
On baby Luke Schenn.
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Yeah, this might be a bit of a reach, but maybe they are worried that if they sign The General to a nice big extension he’ll become a little complacent. I doubt it, but this gives him the incentive to prove he’s worth the money.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 1, 2011 9:13 AM EST up reply actions
My thoughts on yesterday's deadline day in the Twitterverse
Cam Cole wrote an article about the fake Twitter LeBrun/fake Twitter Miller/fake Twitter Kyper situation, not to mention DGB’s prank on Joffrey Lupul. It’s an odd article, one that I read as generally disapproving of the folks on Twitter, as if we were hanging out in the journos’ offices and making it difficult for them to do their jobs properly.
I think it was a mistake to lump all of those things together, to start with, but of course the more general and important conclusion is wrong too: when on Twitter, we’re not in the journos’ offices, they’re in OUR living rooms, bars and locker rooms. Here’s my post at Heroes in Rehab: the blog.
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Pretty sure DGB’s original tweet suggesting the idea included @jlupul.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 1, 2011 9:13 AM EST up reply actions
It definitely did. People were saying it would have been a better trick if he did’t include @JLupul so that Lupul wouldn’t see it.
Behold the power of the Barilkosphere.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 1, 2011 9:29 AM EST up reply actions
Sportsnet idiot didn't seem to get the joke.
<And there was the genuine @Jlupul, one of the newest Toronto Maple Leafs who had the poor judgment to make this tweet — “Long Island bound. So I hear…” —/blockquote>
Always a great read dude. If you don’t mind me asking, are you a professional writer?
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My favourite part about the deadline yesterday was watching Sportsnet online. Howard Berger, rapidly backtracking on his reporting of the Lupul trade was hilarious.
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I heard this on the Fan590 while I was in the car. It was really funny. They also reported the Penner to MTL trade. They had no idea what was going on, and they were kind of freaking out about it.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Mar 1, 2011 8:57 AM EST up reply actions
…are you a professional writer?
No, but I do play one on TV.
/kidding
Thanks to all for the kind words, glad you liked it.
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Cam Cole should check his facts because DGB is technically a member of the MSM.
On the Mike Weber bandwagon.
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Cam Cole should check his facts because DGB is technically a member of the MSM.
Yeah, I think Cole’s article has DGB as a “Toronto-based” blogger to boot, which I am sure would come as a not inconsiderable surprise to Mrs. Goes Brown.
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Tons of people think I’m from Toronto.
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Hold on; Leafs fans that live outside of Toronto?
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Heh, so true
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by Leafer87 on Mar 1, 2011 2:46 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
he doesn’t even live in this COUNTRY!
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Mar 1, 2011 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
Mystery solved; call off Scooby Doo and the Mystery Machine.
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Kovalev & Mitchell both 7th rd trades
The new NHL trade deadline with salary in place makes for some strange trades. Hard to figure how Kovalev was traded to Pitts. for a conditional 7th rounder and Mitchell was traded to the Rangers for a 7th rounder.
by Al Bundy is my hero on Mar 1, 2011 8:24 AM EST reply actions
Also, laziness. Can never overstate that when talking about Kovalev.
GWWWHAAAA!
by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Mar 1, 2011 8:46 AM EST up reply actions
Lets not forget
CONTRACT. I know Beleaf mentioned his NMC but he had an NMC AND a 5 mil/year contract….
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Penner vs Smyth
One of the Copper and Blue bloggers posted this yesterday on twitter:
Lord_Bob Benjamin Massey
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@mc79hockey: Penner >>> Smyth. 1st-round pick = 1st-round pick, Nilsson > Teubert, O’Marra = nothing.
The bolded part seemed a little crazy to me. First it has to be an exaggeration because neither is much much much better than the other. But if anything I think Smyth was the better player at the same age for Edmonton. I am making a post on this, just looking at boxscores. I’ll publish it later.
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Smyth wins for the mullet alone.
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by T is for Truculence on Mar 1, 2011 9:12 AM EST up reply actions
I might be wrong here, but wasn’t Smyth older when he was traded, and did he not also have an NTC.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 1, 2011 9:15 AM EST up reply actions
He’s saying that the return was better I think.
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by PPP on Mar 1, 2011 9:19 AM EST up reply actions
No if you read all of it. He is saying Smyth’s return was better and Penner was the better player
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Ah. Would be interesting to look at who was playing better at the time of the deal. Plus, Penner is still signed for another year.
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Lousy Smarch Schedule.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 1, 2011 9:19 AM EST reply actions
New SOCKS
Much like Goggles I think the nickname Socks should live on.
The way I see it either Boyce, Crabb, or Rosehill are deserving of the name Socks.
Don’t really have a candidate in mind for Goggles at the moment though.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 1, 2011 9:40 AM EST reply actions
Lebda could be Goggles. Not sure about socks though. I think Rosehill could be Socks because he is usefull but not terribly so.
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by PPP on Mar 1, 2011 9:41 AM EST up reply actions
My immediate thought for Goggles would have been Lebda, but he does MORE than nothing… he adversely effects the outcome of the game.
I don’t mind Boyce for Socks… but I feel like his nickname should play closer to the fact it sounds like “boys” (i.e. along the Boyce2Men line of thought…)
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I had the exact same though, he is in no way benign.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 1, 2011 9:45 AM EST up reply actions
Realistically I think the appeal of a Darryl Boyce is that he’s out of his comfort zone. He’s busting his ass to prove he’s an NHLer. When that wears off we should replace him with somebody hungrier.
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Completely agree
revolving door of NHL tweeners who work their ass off to stay with the bigs is all we can expect/hope for in a bottom 6 cheap player.
Crabb falls into this category too.
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Well, Boyce and Crabb do have awesome names. So there’s that.
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by T is for Truculence on Mar 1, 2011 9:50 AM EST up reply actions
Exactly, we can find all sorts of guys like that.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 1, 2011 9:48 AM EST up reply actions
Did anyone listen to the Freakonomics podcast a few weeks ago? They interviewed a NYI forward (I forget who) who essentially said that guys on the cusp will work their asses off because they know there’s virtually no difference between them and 100s of guys in the minors.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Mar 1, 2011 9:49 AM EST up reply actions
And they’re all hoping some NHL team will someday give them a chance to coach. I think they call it the Bylsma Effect.
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by T is for Truculence on Mar 1, 2011 9:51 AM EST up reply actions
And the reward is huge for a 2-way contract, often 10x the pay difference between AHL and NHL.
20 miles to Legoland!
Thing with Boyce is, anyone who tweets “Blue and white until I die” or whatever it was…is probably going to bring it consistently.
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Loved that.
I think a lot of NHLers are scared to be too openly in love with their team in case they get traded at a later date and have to kind of change their tune.
20 miles to Legoland!
Good thing for Boyce the Marlies have the same colour scheme! At least this way if he gets sent down he doesn’t have to die or anything.
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by T is for Truculence on Mar 1, 2011 9:57 AM EST up reply actions
Totally. To me, lock him up…third/fourth line, wherever. He can play in the league, has a ton of heart and loves the Leafs. What els can you ask for?
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Like Upshall?
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As a fan stuff like that is cool to read but ultimately meaningless.
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Disagree…you probably won’t see guys in Atlanta and Florida tweeting that. It has to be special to be playing for a team you love and that has to translate into something positive on the ice.
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Counterpoint: Darryl Boyce is a marginal NHLer on a bad team.
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Furthering point: Darryl Boyce will say anything and everything in order to keep playing in the NHL.
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I just care if he DOES anything and everything…
Like sacrificial virgins, we all burn in different ways. You are a fast explosion and I am the embers...
sure, but if someone better comes along? bye bye boyce, thanks for the memories
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 1, 2011 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
Sure, but why replace him with another marginal NHL’er?
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Potential to be more maybe? (Hanson, Kadri, Colborne EVENTUALLY)
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 1, 2011 10:04 AM EST up reply actions
Sure, if he’s outplayed and loses a spot…so be it. But as of now, to me he deserves a shot at a depth position on the team.
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There’s no point locking up your worst players long term. If Boyce got hit by a bus tomorrow we’d replace him without blinking.
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So… you loved the Brown signing then.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 1, 2011 10:12 AM EST up reply actions
yeah.
I also really like the Radiolab and This American Life podcasts.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Mar 1, 2011 10:04 AM EST up reply actions
not recently
he doesn’t.
He’s +7 since all those trades went through.
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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
I’d like to admit something here today friends.
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your undying love for the Canadiens?
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Mar 1, 2011 9:46 AM EST up reply actions
Despite his terrible and completely horrific contract I think I like Colby Armstrong.
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Some one quick, screenshot this comment!
Will be good blackmail in a few seasons….
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The last 5 minutes of the MTL game the other night were worth about $1M alone.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Mar 1, 2011 9:47 AM EST up reply actions
I’m just going to pretend he makes $1.5M.
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I think this approach works.
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hell, is he even really THAT bad at 2.5?
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 1, 2011 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
He seems to be injury prone.
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Even $2.25M would be fine. And as long as we’re not short $750K in cap space at some point to sign some sexy UFA, I don’t care. Komisarek on the other hand…
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Whoa whoa whoa. Nobody’s defending Komisarek here.
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Of course.
I’d be curious to see a full evaluation of our roster in terms of contract vs value. Are our overpayments for Komi, Lebda, Giggy, Phaneuf offset by the value we’re getting from Mac, Schenn, Aulie, Reimer, etc.
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Reimer probably swings that bar pretty far; I’m not sure that you could overpay for .935 goaltending.
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also it is unlikely Giggy will continue to be an overpayment
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 1, 2011 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
Well, we’re 18th in cap spending and, what, 23rd in points? So we’re inefficient still but not nearly as bad as last year. Komi and Giguere are the only current abominations in terms of overpayment and it’ll be down to 1 next year. Key now is wisely using all the accumulated cap space.
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by The '67 Sound on Mar 1, 2011 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
5 million AAV on a 35+ contract for 4 years? Reasonable.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Mar 1, 2011 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
I am happy to see that over the course of the year, he has shown himself to be less overpaid than I expected him to be.
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I had half a fanpost put together trying to convince folk that his stats actually show a really useful player, but now everyone’s on the bandwagon.
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by PPP on Mar 1, 2011 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
We all neeed to send Forbes a thank you.
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I got totally Armstrong’d on that post. Did one for Phaneuf too, but it hasn’t quite panned out the same way.
The only way Armstrong isn’t overpaid is if it’s worth $50K each time he randomly falls on the ice.
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Phaneuf has improved, just not quite like Army.
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Army has had two nice streaks to bring up his totals. Would love to see him be more consistent, win a few more battles, and master skating over that tricky blue line.
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He wins many many battles. However, his skating. Yikes. I blame the nose for throwin off his balance
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I see him lose as many as he wins. He has a bad habit of not getting the puck in deep. Turnovers at either blue line will kill you (as his did the other night against Pittsburgh).
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I concur
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I don't concur
I would have to focus more on it to be 100% certain, but I definitely don’t think I’ve seen him lose as many as he wins.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
also
it’s hard to describe this but follow me here if you can… as long as a player is in control of the puck in the corner in the offensive zone he is “winning the puck battle”… if he gets overwhelmed by the D and the C, and they finally get it away from him, that isn’t really a “lost” puck battle to me.
I just think you’re winning until you lose… and once you’ve “lost” the puck, many would qualify that as a lost puck battle, but if all you’re trying to do is maintain it in the offensive zone, you could do that for an entire 30 second shift and then “lose” the battle.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
As much of a anti math person I may be, this is where stats are useful.
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which stats
would those be? won puck battles vs. lost puck battles?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
Numbers rather.
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in this instance
the closest thing the NHL has is giveaways and takeaways… and they say he’s got 18 giveaways and 28 takeaways … beyond that we don’t have much aside from personal observations.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
Leafs this season
with more takeaways than giveaways include Armstrong, Versteeg, Kessel, Grabovski, Kulemin, Lupul, Zigomanis, Hanson and Crabb.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
Kessel sux he's lazy and doesn't backcheck
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Mar 1, 2011 5:35 PM EST up reply actions
More often than not, to my eyes, he doesn’t emerge from these situations with the puck. To my mind, that’s a lost battle.
I’m not referring to killing a penalty or other times where you want to eat the puck and kill some time. More like loose pucks and scrums along the wall where it’s about possession.
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Woot!
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by Leafer87 on Mar 1, 2011 2:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
His
pts/60 is pretty damn good, considering his contract.
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- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
At PP, he’s dead last among F on the Leafs and 315th in the league.
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how much PP time does he even get?
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 1, 2011 5:27 PM EST up reply actions
Short answer is not much. But that’s the point of talking rates/60.
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Go on……
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 1, 2011 9:46 AM EST up reply actions
None of the three guys in that picture wear those jerseys anymore.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Mar 1, 2011 10:06 AM EST reply actions
Wheeler, Mitchell and ?
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Mar 1, 2011 10:12 AM EST up reply actions
At least according to the caption here: http://oneclick.indiatimes.com/photo/00XTcLu7NIbzP
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Mar 1, 2011 10:14 AM EST up reply actions
Ahh, I thought it may have been Hunwick…but wasn’t sure. Good ol’ indiatimes.com! I always go there for hockey pictures, too!
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I looked up “Blake Wheeler John Mitchell” in GIS and that’s the site that had it
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Mar 1, 2011 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
Kaberle was an 8th rounder. We just traded Mitchell for a 7th rounder. Therefore we will draft a player better than Kaberle.
Best trade EVER!!
http://bluechipprospects.blogspot.com
7th rounder in 2012
Which of course will be the deepest draft in the history of the NHL (crosses fingers)
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 1, 2011 10:08 AM EST up reply actions
If I were an old goalie and 200 stamkoses were coming into the league, I’d consider retiring
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Mar 1, 2011 10:13 AM EST up reply actions
Reimer fears no Stamkos’.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 1, 2011 10:16 AM EST up reply actions
Stamkos’s shot is like 4-5 MPH less than Chara’s.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Mar 1, 2011 10:18 AM EST up reply actions
Not even. He blew 104.54 in a Bauer shoot. Only 1.36 mph less than Chara’s record.
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Either way you don’t want to be in front of it.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 1, 2011 10:20 AM EST up reply actions
He’s got a good way of avoiding goalies with it and finding the netting instead.
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In the same setup? I’m not saying Stamkos doesn’t have a hell of a shot, but I can reasonably wonder about a Bauer promo showing players shooting hard with Bauer sticks, no?
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Mar 1, 2011 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
Nah, same gun had Kessel at 99 and change, which is where he shoots.
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Stamkowned
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Mar 1, 2011 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
So it appears that Mitchell was not liked in Toronto ? LOL
Now that he is a NY Ranger – I will have to HATE HIS FREAKEN GUTS !
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So it appears that Mitchell was not liked in Toronto ? LOL
He was just not a good hockey player who got way too much ice time. Ron Wilson for whatever reason kept playing him way beyond his capabilities.
Not a bad guy, never complained, just wasn’t talented enough for the role he was put in.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 1, 2011 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
TORTS
So what your saying is he had Naked Pictures of Ron Wilson in some Compromising situations somewhere.
If he is not that good and yet the coach uses him allot – If John “The FONZ” Tortorella falls in love with him the same way, then he will be a subpar player for the NY Rangers against my FLYERS ! woohoooo !!!
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It’s not that he wasn’t liked, he just wasn’t terribly good at hockey yet for some reason he kept getting the benefit of the large doubt from the coaching staff.
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But man, could that boy skate.
Like the wind, I say!
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Mar 1, 2011 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
but he also refused to use his size to his advantage, which is a violation of the Clarke/Gilmore bylaw 1.2.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Mar 1, 2011 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
3 goalie system from here on out it looks like
Tonyambrogio200
At #Leafs practice where Reimer and Gustavsson are on the ice.
Giguere is also on the ice. #Leafs
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Poor Scrivens. Even at practice, he has to sit and watch from the press box.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Mar 1, 2011 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
Haven’t they sent him back down to the Marlies by now?
Professional cusser causer.
by T is for Truculence on Mar 1, 2011 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
Pretty sure he got sent down to the Marlies, will likely start today.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 1, 2011 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
Marlies
Anyone watching / listening to the Marlies game? Also, anyone have a video for the Kadri goal from last week?
Kadri goal is likely on mapleleafs.com video section i’d assume. I can’t really stream at work.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 1, 2011 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
They lost
3-1 to Millwaukee. Brunnstrom had 6 shots, Richmond had 5, and Colborne and Kadri each had 3. Marlies outshot the Admirals 32-25.
Colborne scored the lone goal on the PP, giving him 4 as a Marlie. Assists from Kadri and Gysbers. Kadri was named the game’s 3rd star.
I assume with Mitchell gone, Kadri was playing with Colborne?
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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
broken finger, out for 2 or so more weeks
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 1, 2011 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
Giguere is quarterbacking the PP
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Mar 1, 2011 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
On his shoulders. They’re chicken fighting against Lebda and Komisarek.
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If there was ever a time to use “Lebdasarek” that was it. Great job, champ.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Mar 1, 2011 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
Yea, I don’t like the sounds of Fergufish either.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 1, 2011 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
Giggabrent has now been filed under “Reasons I Shouldn’t Check PPP in Class”.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Mar 1, 2011 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
CHICKEN FIGHT! EVERYONE CHICKEN FIGHT!
ennnh? Propagandhi? ennnh? anyone?
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Mar 1, 2011 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
How about the vandals?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sE1QrMajo40
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"
Anyone know how to get a clearer version of the picture in this story?
It’s a Leafs “playoff tracker” (distance from 8th), centring around when Reimer took the reigns.
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No kidding. I wish he’d be held accountable for his horseshit from time to time.
http://bluechipprospects.blogspot.com
If getting fired from HNIC isn’t being held accountable, I don’t want to know what is.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Mar 1, 2011 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
Summary execution is being held accountable.
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by Spezzal Teams Playa on Mar 1, 2011 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
MATT FRATTIN update
UNDSID
UND went 5-0-1 in Feb. Matt Frattin scored 1 GWG, assisted on 3 GWG, and scored 1 game-tying goal with 3:31 left in 3rd. #frattinforhobey
We may not even need to spam a website for him to win the Hobey Baker, he seems to be doing a pretty good job of it himself.
27 Goals, 42 points in 35 games played. Not too shabby.
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He’s a regular Bobby Butler, that one is.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Mar 1, 2011 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
Well he’s much further down our depth chart, so, not so much.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 1, 2011 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
Blow that shit up and you too could be the proud sponsor of a first-line winger with recent Hobey Baker potential.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Mar 1, 2011 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
Where do I sign?
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 1, 2011 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
Shhhh! We don’t want any paper trail for the NCAA investigators to find. A verbal, or preferably non-verbal agreement will suffice.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Mar 1, 2011 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
Butler makes me sad, I wanted him… I guess we got Bozak in a similar way though so hard to be too upset.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 1, 2011 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
Reimer makes me sad for ending Butler’s streak just when it was getting started ;-(
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Mar 1, 2011 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
That’s Mr. Statue to you.
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by Spezzal Teams Playa on Mar 1, 2011 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
BTW Marlies are playing right now, Colborne just scored:
chansler
Colborne now at four goals and a single assist in six games with the #Marlies. He’s been strong within 10 feet of the crease.
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Bazooka Joe!
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 1, 2011 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
Wow, never thought i'd hear this about a Toronto team
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#Marlies PK 1st in league. #Admirals PP 17th. Still 1-0 Marlies with 8 to play in 1st
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 1, 2011 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
They’ve had pretty solid goaltending this season, no?
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 1, 2011 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
Stop perpetuating the fallacy that hockey is a 1-man sport.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Mar 1, 2011 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
also, FWIW, Gus’s SV% over 5 games in the A: .955
Reimer’s in 15: .920
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Mar 1, 2011 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
So they have been getting good goaltending?
I’m not perpetuating anything, but as we’ve seen here the last few years bad goaltending makes a bad pk even worse.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 1, 2011 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
Affirming the consequent:
If P then Q
P
Therefore
Q
If a goalie is bad, a goal goes in
A goal went in
Therefore
The goaltending was bad.
It’s a logical fallacy.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Mar 1, 2011 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
I think it was tipped Joe
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 1, 2011 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
My comment may have been a little glib, but I think it’s fair to say goaltending plays a role in a teams PK %.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 1, 2011 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
“The most important penalty killer is the goaltender.” — many colour commentators over the years
I don’t think you were making any where near the fallacy VRN describes.
just because they say it doesn’t make it so. they’re often referring to a goaltender’s ability to bail out what is an otherwise inept PK. but failing to do so doesn’t mean the goalie is bad. nor is a really good, well-oiled four-man PK until not important.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Mar 1, 2011 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
Good goalies make saves bad goalies can’t make, leading to good goalies making more saves than bad goalies, which guess what, shows up in save percentage.
Is it no coincidence that our 77% PK on the season has been around 80% since Reimer has stepped up?
Far too small a sample size for that kind of difference to be truly significant, but that’s probably about the magnitude of effect a goalie can have. On the one hand, it is small, but the numbers are so tightly bunched across the NHL that it can make a huge difference.
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Reimer’s SH SV%: .865
Giggy’s: SH SV%: .835
Gus’s SH SV%: .785
So yeah, I’d say goaltending has helped improve our PK a bit. But there are probably a a bunch of other things that have helped as well. To simply suggest that “bad goalie == bad PK, good goalie == good PK” is such an over-simplification as to be absurd.
Besides, as to my point above, even if a goalie lets in 1000 goals against on the PK, it’s possible that none of them are his fault (or that not even the ghost of Terry Sawchuck could stop). We discussed this a few weeks ago and decided we needed a stat similar to ERA in baseball in order to make this quantifiable. Turns out it’s almost impossible.
I’m happy to give guys like Reimer credit when they’re playing well. Just keep in mind that hockey is a TEAM game played my 20+ people assembled by a GM who play under the instruction of a COACH. This is a multivariate universe.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Mar 1, 2011 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
you forgot to reverse
Q and P in the second statement… but yeah… that isn’t what’s being said here.
If a goalie is having a bad string then he lets in more goals.
The goalie let in more goals therefore he’s having a bad string.
Is that a problem?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
oh yeah, i had A and B originally but changed it, and screwed it up.
it’s only a problem because it assumes all goals against are equal. sometimes 10 goalies in 3 games is a bad string. sometimes it’s bad luck. sometimes it’s completely outside the goalie’s control. sometimes it’s all of these things. we just tend to look at the outcome and make assessments based on that, rather than making assessments on the process.
it’s too circular for my liking: bad goalies let in goalies. goals get let in by bad goalies. ad infinitum.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Mar 1, 2011 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
ok
but the alternative you propose is that it’s always the team’s fault… as if it can’t be the goalie?
It’s a lot of different things. I agree. Working on a posting about the Leafs offensive ups and downs, I may continue it with a 2nd half on the defensive side of things game to game, just to see what I can figure out.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
as a former goalie, my bias is to believe that yes, it is always the teams fault.
but no, there are definitely times when a goalie is clearly to blame for a goal. and i’m not just talking about 90 footers. but SV% and PK% will never be able to tell you whether a goal is or isn’t a goalie’s fault.
i’m starting to become convinced that EV SV% is a good proxy for how a goalie is performing, but even then I have my reservations.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Mar 1, 2011 2:52 PM EST up reply actions
yeah
it seems fairly consistent, but even then you need long term numbers and lots of data.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
I thought you would say, “Teams include the goalie.”
As a soccer goalie, I always feel it’s my fault when I let something in. Either that, or I blame the net for being so big.
actually, that’s probably better.
i’d say, roughly, it’s the goalie’s fault about 14% of the time.
71% of goals can be blamed on the skaters.
The rest of the time it’s the coach’s fault.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Mar 1, 2011 2:57 PM EST up reply actions
So this means the goalie eats the smallest piece of the blame pie. I think your math might be off.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Mar 1, 2011 2:59 PM EST up reply actions
might be?
random luck is a huge amount of it…. but the goalie is a larger part of it than the skaters.
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- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
(I think he’s a goalie)
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Mar 1, 2011 3:05 PM EST up reply actions
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Mar 1, 2011 3:06 PM EST up reply actions
actually, they way I’ve calculated, I’ve assigned equal blame to the goalie, coach, and each of the 5 skaters on the ice.
of course that shifts if it’s a PK.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Mar 1, 2011 3:04 PM EST up reply actions
I think I should have made my original post in this font
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Mar 1, 2011 3:05 PM EST up reply actions
so using that
then the goalie is more important than the other 5 skaters on the ice.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
no, EACH of the 5 skaters. 5 * 14.2 = 71
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Mar 1, 2011 5:36 PM EST up reply actions
Holy Shit
The Leafs aren’t going to allow a goal all year!
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by PPP on Mar 1, 2011 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
He’s been strong within 10 feet of the crease.
Interesting. Burke talked a lot about Colborne needing to add some strength and some more power to his game over this coming summer.
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True, but there’s not as much difference between AHL and NHL bodies as there is from junior leagues to AHL. There are some big boys in the AHL.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 1, 2011 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
Sure, I just think it gives us a good picture of where he stands now (if he’s doing the same job well in the AHL) and lets us know both what Colborne’s going to have to do to make the team, and how he’s going to be used if he does make it.
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He was in on Sunday too, I saws him.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 1, 2011 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
Ha, ha, ha. Another game for Mikus
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Mar 1, 2011 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
he was
and he looked fine.
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- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
Man, this guy keeps getting injured
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Standing in front of the net, Hodgman takes a point shot to the face and goes immediately to the dressing room. #Marlies
I guess that’s why players are hesitent to stand in front of the net…
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Haha DGB with a big win.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 1, 2011 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
Imagine Burke’s reaction when he learned it was the same guy who made the fake Brian Burke Twitter account.
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(Zoom to Burke with tie undone, hair disheveled, a little drunk, looking like he’s been up all night.gif)
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 1, 2011 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
WOW
Niemi signs 4 year extension, cap hit $3.8M/year
That is a big cap hit for an average goalie. They must really think he’ll be great in the next 4 years.
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Well, his .914 so far is above average but it’s still only 2,222 shots and he’ll be 28 when the contract begins. So bottom line I agree with you, it’s a lot. Isn’t that pretty similar to LOLclaire’s contract?
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by The '67 Sound on Mar 1, 2011 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
28 isn't old
for a goalie… they peak later than skaters.
Also… his numbers are improving this year over last year, and to the point I made below, he’s still learning his craft.
Kind of like Eddie Lack in Manitoba, not a lot of formal coaching prior to being noticed and signed.
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- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
Hypothetical Scenario
He becomes UFA on July 1 – do you like BB offering him $15.2M over 4 years?
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 1, 2011 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
No. Cause we already have Reimer, Monster, Rynnas, Scrivens. SJ has Nittymaki.
by Leafswinthecup on Mar 1, 2011 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
The years are the surprise. Not only because it bucks the trend around the NHL of treating the goaltending position as a short-term gig and a place to find cap savings, but because the Sharks have one of the deeper benches for goaltending prospects in the League. One of them, Alex Stalock of the Worchester Sharks, saw his season end on a laceration to his left leg after he was stepped on during a game, which should be a considerable rehab. Perhaps that’s a consideration.
not to mention that SJ is a team that’s built to win now. You need a goalie to win.
by Leafswinthecup on Mar 1, 2011 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, my .914 was referring to his career. I don’t think it’s fair to call him league-average—he’s clearly above that over a decent sample size—but he’s nothing close to a sure thing and that’s a lot of money for a long time.
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by The '67 Sound on Mar 1, 2011 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
Either that or they’re not terribly impressed with their options this summer
by Leafswinthecup on Mar 1, 2011 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
he's been above
NHL average for this season at least… and it’s only his 2nd in the NHL… also remember he didn’t have a goaltending coach until he got signed to a pro contract in Finland … so he’s still very much developing.
We won’t have a sense of his actual ability for a year or two yet.
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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
Haha
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#Leafs MacArthur said he couldn’t stand the strain of trade deadline so he went to a movie between 1 and 3. Happiest Leaf today
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I like how happy he is to still be here
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 1, 2011 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t think he wants to go anywhere
by Leafswinthecup on Mar 1, 2011 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
Hopefully he trusts this agent more than his last one to get a fair deal.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 1, 2011 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
From what I’ve heard, its the term, not the money, that’s the contentious point
by Leafswinthecup on Mar 1, 2011 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
They are intertwined – it’s likely a combination of both.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 1, 2011 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
maybe he’s asking for a NMC/NTC? and we all know Burke’s stance on those.
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Doesn't matter
we have all spring/summer to negotiate, there’s no rush now that the deadline has past.
Burke and co. have their work cut out for them in negotiations this summer, lots of RFAs to shore up.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 1, 2011 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
I also heard that Burke only wants to give him 1 year
by Leafswinthecup on Mar 1, 2011 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
1 or 2 was the quote I think.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 1, 2011 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
he wants to keep him RFA eligible in case this year is just a flash in the pan
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 1, 2011 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
Would Mac be RFA eligible after another 2 year contract?
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Is he offering that so he goes on the market at the same time as Grabbo and Kulemin or is he gonna try a pump and dump with MacA?
by Leafswinthecup on Mar 1, 2011 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
He’ll go up to two.
I think this is main point of contention. MacArthur wants the security of longer term, Burke wants to manage risk and offer a shorter contract.
if he signs
for term and takes a lower salary that may make it easier for Burke to digest.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
James Reimer gets the start tomorrow vs. Pittsburgh and will roll in goal as long as the team is in the race according to Ron Wilson.
Reimer is the conductor on this playoff train. Toot Toot!
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They are going back to back again. They should start Gustavsson one of the games. He seems to have his confidence back after that stint in the A
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Eh, Reimer got us where we are, kid deserves to play as much as he can.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 1, 2011 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
I think the workload would be unprecedented for him, plus he’s coming off that injury from the last game.
So: give Gustavsson the occasional game during back-to-backs. He deserves it, he dominated in the AHL (I believe his SV% was over .940).
.955 in 5 games.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Mar 1, 2011 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
highest SV%
of any goalie to play in the AHL this season.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
I agree, but with games Wednesday, Thursday and Saturday, a 22 yr old rookie goalie shouldn’t be starting all 3
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Give him Saturday off then.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 1, 2011 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
Personally, I would have gone with tonite. Prolly the “easiest” of the three
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True, and he didn’t have the best outing against the Pens last time, maybe they want to give him a chance to redeem himself.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 1, 2011 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
Serious question
Has Giguere been a healthy scratch whenever the Leafs ran 3 goalies?
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I think so, although he was injured when Reimer was first called up, was he not?
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 1, 2011 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
Gus sat in the press box the last time if i remember correctly
by Leafswinthecup on Mar 1, 2011 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
In the games vs Montreal and Pittsburgh, he did not look THAT good. I missed the ATL game so I can’t comment but had the 2-0 lead. I think a lot of it is because of the Marlies coaching. The Marlies have done a good job of making the goalies look good, if you look at the stats. Fire Wilson hire th Marlies coach! 1st in the league in PK!
I can think of a 21 year old rookie goaltender who started three games in four days twice in a season.
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by Chemmy on Mar 1, 2011 1:50 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Rec’d.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 1, 2011 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
this was the goalie I wanted to be when I was 8 years old.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Mar 1, 2011 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
This was the goalie we all wanted to be.
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Kulemin so hot right now, Kulemin.
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by PassivelyTruculent on Mar 1, 2011 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
I was too busy wanting to be doug gilmour
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 1, 2011 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
His brief return to the Leafs in 04 (?) made me sad.
Kulemin so hot right now, Kulemin.
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by PassivelyTruculent on Mar 1, 2011 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
Hate Calgary to this day because of it. He would have lead us to the cup, no doubt in my mind (he could score a goal over them mountains)
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 1, 2011 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
Those bastards.
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by PassivelyTruculent on Mar 1, 2011 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
Ironic it was against the Flames.
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by PassivelyTruculent on Mar 1, 2011 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
Had a midterm that night. I was so psyched to see his return. I got out of the midterm and I heard he was injured. I knew then that we wouldn’t win the Cup that year. It was 2003 because I was still in skule.
I may have been in middle school or freshman in highschool way back then.
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by PassivelyTruculent on Mar 1, 2011 2:35 PM EST up reply actions
U of T engineering?
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 1, 2011 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
Giguere would also need to agree to the stint.
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So he’d rather sit on the press box? or is he gonna be the back up every night with monster and statue alternating between starting and press box?
by Leafswinthecup on Mar 1, 2011 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
Probably. The guy’s playing for a contract, remember. AHL doesn’t look good for that. Neither does his current SVP, but here we are.
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i think there are 2 scenarios
1. long playoff run- ride reimer all the way, giggy in pb cause gus is more the future and the brass doesnt want him questioning that
2. eliminated from playoffs – reimer goes back to marlies for hopefully long playoff run and gus gets his game back with giggy spot starting.
I'm just here to say that Kuli is awesome
per Jonas Seigel’s blog, in the month of February he was second in point and goals with 11 and 6 to Kessel’s 13 and 7. But he was also a team leading +9. Dude is amazing.
Surprise of the month is Lebda who was a +7 and the only D in the top 5.
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Lebda's
luck is turning… it was bound to. His bad luck in the first 2/3rds of the year was unbelievable.
He’ll actually look good on the stats sheet for the final 3rd of the year in all likelihood.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
He had a PDO
of 892 at one point, which is ridiculously horribly bad.
It’s now up to 942… so he’s obviously seeing the worm turn… even though it’s still the worst on the team.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
I did a search for the standard deviation of PDO and ended up hitting an article right here, featuring a post where SkinnyFish calculated the standard deviation of PDO to around 0.0204 at the time.
At 892, that’s over 5 standard deviations below the mean. Wow. Even at 942, he’s still nearly 3 standard deviations below the mean.
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24/02/2011: I was there when Brett Lebda scored.
right
the other thing is it regresses towards 1000 over the course of a season. Guys who are way below at the halfway mark tend to move up, and guys who are way above tend to move down.
Similarly guys regress year over year.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
right
and the key thing to remember is… PDO is in a lot of ways just puck luck… SV% for your goalie, SH% for you and your line mates… since you only control 1/6th of those pieces, it’s hard to explain as much more than just random noise for a lot of guys.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
particularly
when they aren’t playing very much.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
appro of nothing, but interesting..
Marlies have signed Andrew Englage to AHL contract according to Wysh
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Likely means they’re not sure how long Rynnas will be out, need a backup for Scrivens for the rest of the year.
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Any word on Reimer? I know he took a knee to the head last game, is he only day-to-day or is he back already?
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by PassivelyTruculent on Mar 1, 2011 5:36 PM EST up reply actions
practiced today, and said to be starting tomarrow night
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Mar 1, 2011 5:37 PM EST up reply actions
Excellent.
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by PassivelyTruculent on Mar 1, 2011 5:38 PM EST up reply actions
If anyone is interested I just did an analysis of goaltending since the lockout. I compared the goaltenders to the season average save percentage. Some interesting results.
One of which, I believe Huet deserved his contract!
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Friedman's 30 thoughts
20. There were a lot of rumours, but I don’t think Toronto is willing to deal Nazem Kadri — yet.
21. You heard Brian Burke say he’s not going to overpay for 60 games of Clarke Macarthur. Sounds like there is a lot of common ground between the two sides, though. However, what’s really important is that the organization realizes top-line players cost money and won’t allow anyone’s demands to take away from what they’ve budgeted for those players.
That doesn’t sound too reassuring about Kadri… seems like if he doesn’t get his shit together next year Toronto is ready to give up on him. Maybe I’m reading too much into one simple sentence.
Good stuff in there on the inactivity at the deadline and how it’s partially due to the next CBA.
http://www.cbc.ca/sports/blogs/elliottefriedman/2011/03/deadline-restraint-plus-30-thoughts.html
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Yea, could be. At the same time he’s not saying they’d just dump him but maybe that they’d be willing to move him as part of a package to grab a #1C or winger.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 1, 2011 9:11 PM EST up reply actions
Also:
Some teams willing to add salary made it clear they expected to benefit from their largesse. That’s why Florida received an ECHL player for Dennis Wideman and Toronto’s potential deal for John-Michael Liles fell apart. The Maple Leafs asked Colorado for a decent draft pick as a thank you for taking that contract, but were rebuffed.
Interesting.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 1, 2011 9:14 PM EST up reply actions
Wow
9. Shane Doan surpassed Teppo Numminen as his franchise’s all-time games played leader. During the lockout, the Coyotes’ trainers/equipment staff lost their medical insurance. Doan heard about it, got in touch with Human Resources, and quietly paid for it. It was years before they found out. That’s class.
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by happiergilmore on Mar 1, 2011 9:46 PM EST up reply actions
If I am reading the site right
sportsclubstats.com is saying that those teams winning in regulation means we dropped from a 4.5% chance of playoffs to 4.0% chance
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Rangers, Hurricanes and Sabres all have 5 more wins than losses, which is what it comes down to in the end. 13 wins and we’re in, one way or another.
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