Maple Leafs Scoring Chances And Shots Against
Glove tap to @JulianKaminski for having a great first name and tracking down some of the numbers and @GarrettBauman for helping get the thinking cap on.
One of the things that had some fans worried was how the team's defence would fare if what was then a much discussed hypothetical trade of Francois Beauchemin went through. The reasoning was that since he played the toughest competition and did the best against them his basence would be felt harshly. One manner of measuring a defenceman's value relative to his teammates is how they stack up in terms of chances for and against. The normal caveats apply but thanks to Slava Duris, who has been putting in a yeoman's effort at LeafsNation tracking scoring chances for the Maple Leafs this year, we can see where the Leafs stood on January 31st:
| Defence | ES Min | CF | CA | CF/60 | CA/60 | DIF/60 |
| Korbinian Holzer | 36.33 | 9 | 5 | 14.86 | 8.26 | 6.61 |
| Tomas Kaberle | 852.58 | 256 | 233 | 18.02 | 16.4 | 1.62 |
| Luke Schenn | 884.52 | 262 | 254 | 17.77 | 17.23 | 0.54 |
| Francois Beauchemin | 925.53 | 234 | 240 | 15.17 | 15.56 | -0.39 |
| Dion Phaneuf | 608.45 | 161 | 169 | 15.88 | 16.67 | -0.79 |
| Carl Gunnarsson | 437.3 | 110 | 133 | 15.09 | 18.25 | -3.16 |
| Brett Lebda | 269.63 | 64 | 83 | 14.24 | 18.47 | -4.23 |
| Mike Komisarek | 580.23 | 130 | 172 | 13.44 | 17.79 | -4.34 |
| Keith Aulie | 138.03 | 27 | 59 | 11.74 | 25.65 | -13.91 |
This table is interesting in its own right. A couple of notes stand out:
- Francois Beauchemin was doing well in tough situations.
- After Tomas Kaberle and Luke Schenn the Leafs' defence there was a drop off in the defence's ability to generate scoring chances.
- During the Sabres game Greg Brady called Luke Schenn the Leafs' least offensively gifted defenceman. He is hilariously wrong. The numbers don't lie. I get he's a former Detroit guy so that's why he defends Lebda in the face of everything quantitative and qualitative proving he's awful but worse than Komisarek? Mike Komisarek couldn't score in a brothel with a Wayne Rooney mask.
- Keith Aulie was getting decimated during his first call up.
Of course, on February 9th Francois Beauchemin was traded to Anaheim and 10 days later Tomas Kaberle also was sent on his way out of Toronto. I was definitely in the camp that was skeptical about the team's ability to limit scoring chances and shots against in the absence of their best defensive defenceman and their best defenceman at moving the puck up the ice. After the jump I'll look at shots and chances against since the trades and over the course of the season.
| Record | AVG SA | AVG CA | AVG CF | |
| To January 1 | 13-19-4 | 28.11 | 17.76 | 16.91 |
| Jan 1 - Feb 9 | 10-7-1 | 33.28 | 17.28 | 16.78 |
| To February 8 | 23-26-5 | 29.83 | 17.59 | 16.86 |
| Feb 9 - Feb 18 | 2-1-1 | 34.25 | 15.25 | 15.25 |
| Feb 19 - Mar 15 | 4-3-5 | 33.67 | 19.64 | 17.75 |
| Feb 9 - Mar 15 | 6-4-6 | 33.81 | 18.97 | 17.13 |
| Jan 1 - Mar 15 | 16-10-6 | 33.53 | 17.65 | 16.94 |
| Overall | 29-29-10 | 30.71 | 17.64 | 16.93 |
This is obviously a macro level analysis of shots and chances against. At the individual level, it would be great if Slava updated his scoring chance information (hint!). Based on tracking the games' scoring chances that Slava's posted I would bet we'll see some huge improvement from Aulie. I've added scoring chances for as a way of looking at whether the Leafs are outchancing their opponents.
The segments correspond with a few major points in the season: January 1st was James Reimer's first game, February 9th was the day of the Beauchemin trade, and February 19th was the first game without Tomas Kaberle.
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2011 wasn't just a new year on the calendar but a new beginning for the Maple Leafs. Before that date the Leafs were getting .894 goaltending. After that date, they have been getting .910 goaltending.
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The closest the Leafs have gotten to outchancing their opponents over any segment was in the four games after the Beauchemin trade when they tied.
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The Leafs' average scoring chances for has been remarkably consistent for the entire year.
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Shots have gone up in 2011 and after the two trades. There are probably a few reasons for this: two of the team's best defencemen are gone and the Leafs are winning more.
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Scoring chances are up after the trades which also makes sense.
As I said, this is just a top-level look at things and I'd be intereested in hearing what you think has contributed to the changes this year.
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nice article and all, but the real gem of this article is:
Mike Komisarek couldn’t score in a brothel with a Wayne Rooney mask.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 16, 2011 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions
How can cf from Feb.9 to now be higher than cf from Feb.19 to now if they were at their lowest level between the 9th and 19th?
I transposed two numbers. Hit refresh and it should work now.
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Interesting article. I think some conclusions can be made about defensive ability based on CA especially when combined with quality of opposition, but I don’t think CF is an accurate indication of a defenceman’s ability to generate scoring chances. I think it may say more about which forwards they’re playing with often.
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I think that Chances For are absolutely a product of the forwards that a defenceman plays with but it’s also a function of the defenceman’s ability to get the puck moving out of their zone effectively. Kessel’s goal against Buffalo was a great example.
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Thanks
I agree that defencemen can definitely contribute to a scoring CF, but I would say in a significant portion they don’t contribute at all. So I don’t think CF reflects offensive ability in a defenceman because the stat isn’t necessarily dependent on them at all.
Thanks, it makes sense now. I agree that chances for reflect a defenceman’s puck moving effectiveness, so I don’t understand why they are at their highest level (17.75) since Kaberle left.
by GreatKingRat on Mar 16, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
I think CF sometimes depends on defencemen, but almost always depends on forwards. So I think CF correlates much better with forward offensive ability moreso than defencemen offensive ability. The fact that CF stayed more or less constant after the large personnel change on D could reflect this (the forward group stayed more or less constant). But you could also argue it indicates Gunnar, Aulie etc. stepping into the void caused by Kaberle and Beauch departing.
I think part of it is also that the Leafs have been playing with the lead more which makes the opposition take more chances leaving themselves more open to giving up scoring chances.
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to this point
wouldn’t a zone shift comparison be more valid then? That way we’re actually examining the players’ ability to move the puck up ice, rather than generate a scoring chance.
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 16, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
I was thinking that also
that it’s a better indication of breakout ability or first pass ability than generating scoring chances.
“The usual caveats” means that it’s just one thing to look at and zone shift would be helpful as well.
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Since the Beauchemin trade it looks like CF and CA have gone up (Jan 1- Feb 9 vs Feb 9 – Mar 15). The Leafs game has opened up, in both directions, post Beauchemin? Maybe possibly
I always wonder how the Leafs compare to other teams around the league in terms of scoring chances.
I don’t think any other team has a Slava Duris “putting in a yeoman’s effort” tracking this stuff. Wish they did. It looks bad – the Leafs getting outchanced for most of the year. But how does it compare to other teams? Is it really that bad?
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Most teams have someone tracking scoring chances. Even the Panthers (though the person doing it is an Oilers blogger)
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Rob Niedermayer scored a goal. Your argument is invalid.
I know George E Ays from the Blueshirt Banter blog does the Rangers scoring chances, for example. I have no idea who is co-ordinating it though, and they mostly post them on their own blogs.
On the Mike Weber bandwagon (Stupid penalties and all!)
Rob Niedermayer scored a goal. Your argument is invalid.
If you go to Behind The Net then you can find the list of people that are covering each team. There are about 10 teams being done I think.
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AHA! I had a feeling it was a coordinated effort. Can’t wait to see the end results.
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by MapleLeafMole on Mar 16, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Scoring Chances counters for the following teams:
Canadiens – Olivier @ En Attendant Les Nordiques
Capitals – Neil Greenberg of Russian Machine Never Breaks
Flames – Kent Wilson @ FlamesNation
Oilers – Dennis @ mc79hockey.com
Panthers – Derek Zona @ Litter Box Cats
Rangers – George E. Ays @ Tracking the NY Rangers and @ Blueshirt Banter
by Slava Duris #24 on Mar 16, 2011 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Does anyone track stats like puck turnovers, completed passes, attempted passes and offsides by players?
Turnovers and giveaways are tracked by the NHL. The other stuff is probably tracked at the team level by the teams themselves.
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There’s a guy on BtN that is trying to figure out an efficient way to track puck movement, but its only in the early stages.
I’m SURE individual teams track these things… i mean RW sometimes drops stats like that doesn’t he?
On the Mike Weber bandwagon (Stupid penalties and all!)
Rob Niedermayer scored a goal. Your argument is invalid.
He also cites stats like a goaltender’s shootout SV% vs left- or right-handed shooters in incredibly small sample sizes.
Sometimes, you can’t tell if he’s being facetious and just messing with the media, or actually serious.
But yeah, I would think those tablets that he and his staff use would be good for tracking puck movement, passing, player movement, etc.
The defensive side has some metrics like +-/corsi/GA per 60min played but they can devolve into subjective comments about if the player was responsible for the GA. So why do hockey statiscians avoid measuring a blown back check or missed defensive assignment as an “error” if it leads to a goal instead of using a more roundabout measure?
The individual contribution on the offensive side of the game are easier to access (with goals/assists/points). Yet could argue that we don’t measure in statistics such as a player screening the goalie as an assist.
The ones not employed by teams don’t use those stats because it’s so time-consuming to do so. They stick to what the NHL tracks and provides.
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if we all contributed to it
I’m sure we could do it ourselves… we just need someone that’s only responsible for tracking each thing individually.
Watch the game and track completed and missed passes… assign a couple of people to do it who are watching together.
They won’t enjoy the game particularly, but hey, they’ll have their time occupied.
Of course the Leafs track this stuff I’m certain, but we aren’t the Leafs… or any other NHL team.
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 16, 2011 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
we're also
ignoring the Lupul and Versteeg trades in this discussion… their impact may have been as large as Beauchemin’s absence, and is likely far larger on the CF category. Switching to Lupul from Crabb on the top line probably had a significant shift in things.
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 16, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Good point
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“IF” being “injuries for?”
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by theninjagreg on Mar 16, 2011 8:43 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
intangibles
obviously
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions
these tables only measure tangible statistics
by scrambles the death dealer on Mar 16, 2011 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Shots have gone up, but the ratio of CA / SA is actually down.
To Jan 1 – CA/SA = 0.63
Jan 1 – Feb 9 – 0.52
To Feb 9 = 0.59
Feb 9 – Feb 18 – 0.45
Feb 19 – Mar 15 – 0.58
Feb 9 – Mar 15 – 0.56
Jan 1 – Mar 15 – 0.53
Overall – 0.57
Highlighted the two key ones.
Looking at those stats, you really get a sense that this team has just taken off in the new year. The Leafs Chances For have been pretty stable all year (16.91 from start to Jan 1, and 16.94 from Jan 1 – Mar 15), but look at the CA and SA
Up to Jan 1 – 17.76 CA, 28.11 SA, 13-19-4 record
Jan 1 – Mar 15 – 17.65 CA, 33.53 SA, 16-10-6 record
Chances Against are marginally down, but the Leafs have given up almost 5.5 shots more a game, and their record is 12 games better. That’s amazing.
PPP, do you happen to have the GA/gm for these splits as well? I wonder if I’ve stumbled into the beginnings of a “shot quality” metric.
Reimer’s clearly been providing better goaltending than Giguere/Gustavsson.
But, despite significant personnel changes to the D, scoring chances are similar, even though total shots are up. That seems to be indicative of giving up lesser quality shots.
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I think
I need to do a defensive shot location analysis on the Leafs… I’ve done chances for based on distance… if I had chances against based on distance that would add to this discussion… it’ll take me a couple of days to work through it though.
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 16, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
you haven't stumbled onto anything
in particular… the ratio isn’t that relevant unfortunately.
I did point out in my last posting that based on shot location, high quality shots were taken at the expense of low quality and vice versa in a very loose negative correlation.
But overall, the key thing is good quality shots. From within 25 feet of the goal, teams score on roughly 17% of their shots, outside 25 feet, they score on roughly 5% of their shots.
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 16, 2011 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Shots within 25 feet would most likely be considered “scoring chances”, right?
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i don't
think slava bases his numbers purely on location
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 16, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Location
Is actually a pretty major factor, but shots from outside the scoring chance area may be counted too, one-timers and traffic/screens are factors in those cases.
by Slava Duris #24 on Mar 16, 2011 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
ok
that explains it then… I have been ignoring shot type for the purposes of my recent work, just because it’s quicker to get through all the game data… you on the other hand have been tracking game to game, which takes far more time than I have had this season… kudos to you on the work again btw.
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 16, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
When I have more time
I’d like to look at WHO is shooting from WHERE… and how that affects things.
If we have individuals shooting wildly from all over the ice (Phaneuf/Kessel spring to mind), then I wonder about their overall contribution to our positive play.
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 16, 2011 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
speaking of this
on BtN there’s an overview sheet on player shooting reports and it includes “TOT DIST” which I assume is the average shooting distance they’re firing from, which seems to be used as a modifier to the total shooting percentage… I’m not 100% clear on how.
I can’t get the FAQ page to load, so I’m lacking for an explanation, anyone know the specifics?
Either way, ignoring that, Boyce and Kulemin lead the team… Boyce doesn’t shoot enough, and I’d like him to shoot more. I’d also like Brent and MacArthur to shoot more often, their numbers are solid. Grabovski is doing ok, but I’d like Lupul and Bozak to fire on net more.
Kessel needs to pass more and shoot less.
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 16, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Kessel
276 attempts missed or shot on goal at even strength… wtf? and only 16 goals.
Grabovski? 212 attempts missed or shot on goal… 16 goals.
Kulemin? 144 attempts… 21 goals.
Who do we think is shooting from the right locations? The average distances drop as you move down that short list.
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 16, 2011 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m not sure there’s much “wtf” about it: Kessel has very few other options on his line even if he did want to pass, whereas the other two split chances as part of one of the more productive steady lines in the league.
If you look at it as a ratio, Kessel (14.9/60) is generating quite a few more shot attempts than either Grabovski (12.1) or Kulemin (8.9). Again, it isn’t surprising that his shooting percentage is lower; no goalie is ever going to cheat on the pass when Kessel has the puck until he has a line-mate worth worrying about.
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That's
at even strength, and I’m sorry… the fact that Tyler Bozak hardly ever shoots the puck isn’t because he’s completely incapable of doing so. His shooting percentage is really not that bad, he just doesn’t shoot enough, and I think that’s largely because Kessel shoots from so far out and wastes chances.
Kessel doesn’t even particularly attempt to use his linemates, and I think this is a bit of a chicken/egg argument. The fact that he isn’t using them by shooting thus precludes them improving on their goal and shot totals, so he can continue to use the logic that they don’t contribute. This is also why the goalies don’t cheat… maybe if he let them shoot more, or nay, even encouraged it, then maybe he’d have a higher percentage and he’d score more.
The shit linemates argument doesn’t entirely jive for me. Since the trade deadline he’s had Lupul and Bozak as his linemates, both of whom are capable of scoring on NHL netminding.
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 16, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I’ll probably clean up the spreadsheet in the next couple of days and post a Google Docs version of it.
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If the Leafs are winning more games, they are likely allowing more shots on goal because they are leading more (despite last season’s weirdness). But because of the typical late-game strategy of playing conservatively to protect a lead, perhaps their collapsing formation is allowing more shots but fewer quality chances (ie from rebounds in the slot, odd-man rushes, etc).
Either way, the fact that the Leafs are getting out-Corsi’d and out-chanced regularly is worrisome and indicates that their recent success—fuelled largely by one-goal victories—is unsustainable.
I think
if we’re ignoring game state then we’re not getting a clear enough picture to assess one way or another.
I think they’re giving up more chances personally, but that’s anecdotal as I haven’t run the numbers yet.
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 16, 2011 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
That they have exactly the same CF and CA in the second part of the year as the first (within a decimal place or two) suggests to me that the main cause of the enormous difference in their record in those two stretches of the season is chance. Whether they were unlucky to start, or lucky to end, or some combination of the above, who knows.
I'm not so sold on this
In tracking the shot distance data I’ve looked at, they drastically improved in their “good shot” numbers in January. They had a run of 14 straight games with over 10 good shots in each game… and they won a lot of games.
They’ve since returned to the pattern of earlier in the season, and haven’t been getting as many “good” shots from high percentage locations, and their scoring and wins have dropped off as a result. They’re just more inconsistent and loe and behold they aren’t winning as much.
I don’t think that’s a matter of luck.
On the defensive side, I think Gustavsson’s numbers hurt them a lot in the first half, and in the second half Reimer has improved things from a goaltending perspective. They’ve been a better team, not just luckier.
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 16, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Mike Komisarek: 6 full seasons + parts of 3 seasons
career high in goals = 4
Luke Schenn: 3 full seasons
career high in goals = 5
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mike komisarek
played most of his early career with Andrei Markov… to be fair to him, I don’t think he would be doing most of the shooting in that situation.
Schenn has also gotten more PP time than Komisarek ever has.
I agree Schenn is likely a better passer and puck mover, but the goals thing is sort of pointless. Neither one is a great shooter.
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 16, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Good post :)
And I should have an update or two whipped up fairly soon – I thank you for giving me the kick in the ass I needed – I found time to get most of my data organized this morning.
by Slava Duris #24 on Mar 16, 2011 12:57 PM EDT reply actions
Nice
It’s a domino effect! I think at the individual level Aulie will show the most progress. Can’t wait to read it.
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Just to add to this
I added to my own data set recently, and here are some interesting correlations I think we should all be aware of on the basis of JUST the Leafs season so far:
Correlation between Good Shots and Goals = +0.4013 << significantly positive
Correlation between Bad Shots and Goals = +0.0064 << virtually NONEXISTENT
Correlation between Good Shots and Bad Shots = -0.2958 << significantly negative
So if you take more shitty shots you’re likely to take fewer good ones… and taking more shitty shots DOESN’T mean you’re likely to score more goals… it doesn’t mean ANYTHING w.r.t. scoring… it just means you’ve got the puck more.
Taking more GOOD shots DOES mean you’re likely to score more goals, and it also means you’re likely to take fewer crappy shots. This sort of explains how good teams don’t have to shoot as much to score more goals, and a bad team taking a lot of wild shots doesn’t mean they’re likely to score a lot more.
We need to focus on getting shots on goal from inside 25 feet. Phil Kessel shooting from far away is wasteful… and NOT productive. He might look good doing it, but it doesn’t help us a lot particularly.
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 16, 2011 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions

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