Stayin' Alive
Pretty tired today, so I'm just going to skip the foreplay and get right to the links. Jeff Blair's article in the Globe and Mail kicks things off with an interesting side story about Reimer:
The way the story goes, Reimer heard through the "grapevine" that somebody (maybe with the Tampa Bay Lightning) had told somebody with the Hurricanes that he was "just another Francois Allaire goalie" or words to that effect.
"To say something like that … it gives you extra motivation," said Reimer, who was pulled after allowing five goals in a 6-2 loss to the Lightning on Monday. "It’s all part of the game, trash-talking. But to minimize what he’s done, I mean, he’s a great coach. Just look at his track record."
Jump for more good stuff from the Globe, Behind the Net, and all the usual suspects.
Leaf Links:
Phaneuf, Leafs Live To Fight Another Day
Jonas Siegel with some quotes and a recap.
Nonis, Blake to oversee Team Canada
Hockey Canada announces Maple Leafs executive will be joined by former NHL defenceman for Canada's world hockey championship contingent in Slovakia next month. Story from Chris Johnston at the Globe and Mail.
Phaneuf's big night triggers hope - and some great Maple Leaf playoff memories
Michael Langlois over at VLM gets a little wistful, remembering the days when 'playoff hope' was a more regular occurrence.
Post Game Thoughts – Leafs vs. Canes
From Jeffler at LeafsHQ.
Douggie's Milk Commercial
Karina at Frivolous Ornamentation with the link.
Other Hockey Links:
The League of Extraordinary Statisticians: The Defensemen - Behind The Net
Another article over at Behind the Net looks at defensive defensemen, and whether they can match the contributions of their offensive-minded counterparts.
Skating Patterns for Duncan Keith and Nicklas Lidstrom
At Behind the Net geoffbok continues to put his iPad to good use.
Shooting Percentage Suppression
Good stuff from Rob Vollman, our third link from Behind the Net.
The value of a draft pick
Jibblescribbits with an interesting attempt to assign value to picks. His system doesn't make the Kessel trade look very good, but then, I don't think it's really an appropriate tool to judge said deal.
NHL's revised concussion protocol to take immediate effect
Excellent, I think, to bump up the stringency of concussion tests, but is this enough?
Wednesday’s Three Stars
Sean Leahy with the latest installment. Dion gets the second star.
NHL suspends Dany Heatley two games for elbow on Steve Ott
He should have been suspended for longer than two games.
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I find it odd what upsets Reimer
Let in 5 goals, shrug it off.
Shit-talk Allaire-style goalies? Well now you’re in for a goal tending clinic, bitch.
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hey, as long as it works. We may need to hire someone to trash talk him now
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"I'm glad we've got the best fans in the league." - Tomas Kaberle on Leaf fans
Heh, funny you say that. Mirtle just tweeted:
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If that’s how Reimer plays when he’s angry, Leafs may want to have other teams criticize him more often
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
ok so I will be the first to bring it up
Kadri.
Didn’t really impress last night. Might need a game or two to adjust to the speed of the NHL. He made some better decisions but still made a few of those mistakes that got him a trip back to the AHL
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by leafer1984 on Mar 17, 2011 7:31 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Completely agree
I avoided the topic after the win because I don’t like to be a buzzkill after a great game by Schenn, Phaneuf and Reimer.
But wow, he was mostly invisible when he was on the ice and made a few turnovers in the o-zone that could have been good chances. Only went 33% on faceoffs. I don’t know whether he was nervous or what, but he didn’t have any jump at all.
I think RW benched him for most of the last half of the game once we were protecting a lead, and I’m glad he did. Bozak saw his icetime go up huge after that. At least it’s showing that RW is using Bozak in a more proper (read: defensive) role. He saw a huge amount of PK time.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 7:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Only 3 shifts in the third for a total of 3:10 out of 12:03 TOI. Oddly he realized he wasn’t getting shifts in the 3rd, so he stayed longer than his 42 second avg. The best I can say is he looked tense during the game, some good things, still needs to settle into the intensity of the NHL and the Leafs current push.
Also Bozak really looks much better in the 3C role. He’s got a NHL level defensive game. Looks comfortable with the lower offensive expectations.
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by blindfolded tank driver on Mar 17, 2011 7:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Exactly, too bad he’s being forced to play a 2C (1C? Screw it, semantics).
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 8:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Assumptions, guestimates and magic 8 balls tell me that he’s likely pencilled into the 3C next year. Hopefully if Burke finds a true 1C/2C to slot in before him.
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by blindfolded tank driver on Mar 17, 2011 8:37 AM EDT up reply actions
If only there was a really good #1 C out there and we had the cap space to sign him…. hmmm….
And yes, I realize he likely doesn’t want to come here. Unless we can show that the Leafs can be competitive…. maybe… Or maybe he cares more about earning a mega-contract. He’s really the only high-high-end forward out there on the market this summer… look what happened when Kovalchuk was the only forward to court.
Not saying he’ll want that kind of deal, but a big one… probably.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 8:43 AM EDT up reply actions
at this point, I’d be happy, no, over the moon, with a three year deal for our mystery man. $8mil, 7mil and 6mil respectively. That otta be enough, no?
by Kessel'sOversizedSuit on Mar 17, 2011 8:47 AM EDT up reply actions
He will get 5+ unless he's stupid.
Or if he wants a big 4 year deal, just in time to get one more before he hits candidacy for a 35+ contract when clubs start to be more hesitent handing out big money.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions
If he wants what I think he wants in terms of $ and term, Burke won’t even approach him.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m tearing down the statue right now.
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This might not be related, but I kind of suspect the ice in Carolina was garbage. The puck was bouncing all over the place last night, and there seemed to be a lot of turnovers both ways. This might have neutralized a player like Kadri, whose strength is in his stick handling.
by A Lindros Jaw on Mar 17, 2011 8:13 AM EDT up reply actions
That may have had the smallest amount to do with it, but he just isn’t playing at NHL speed yet. He likes fine with the Marlies because AHL speed <<<< NHL speed
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 8:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Carried his stick at the waist too much. Needs to spend significant time this summer working on his first few steps. Could also move the puck sooner. Not a terrible game though, won a few draws, played about 12 minutes.
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Not terrible, he was just kinda.. there
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33% on the draws…. not good enough.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Especially because the Hurricanes are the worst faceoff team in the NHL.
On the Mike Weber bandwagon (Stupid penalties and all!)
Rob Niedermayer scored a goal. Your argument is invalid.
I don’t know if I’d say it’s a “focus” thing, it’s a legitimiate skill required to play hockey, no different than one player being a better shooter, or a better checker.
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Yup and Kadri wasn’t very good at them last year IIRC
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It does seem to be one of the areas that NHLers can always improve on though, even mid-way through their careers.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m sure this summer he will spend a lot of hours having pucks dropped in front of him, practicing different techniques. When I say it’s a focus thing, I mean it’s a skill with so many minute details. Having some nerves can hinder success. At this point in his young career there’s no reason to consider it an issue.
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Because of practice with the kiddies, I didn’t get a chance to watch the game. Who’d he play with for the most part?
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Bozak and Kessel for a while, then Lupul and Kessel for a while, then bench pretty much the entire 3rd.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions
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Did FLYERROB hack into your account on the game thread? You’re posts had significantly higher values of hilarity, awesomeness and capital letters
"Ironic isn't it, that the very strings I played then are made from the very gut of the animal this song is about" - David McGahan
It was his birthday and he was pretty smashed/hilarious.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 8:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah… it was quite the little soirée. People had just left my house at around 6 a.m., which worked out well, given that it was just in time for me to get Gamecenter up and running.
Oh, you better believe that's a paddling.
I mean,
I never had any intention of missing the game, regardless of how out of my mind I was.
Oh, you better believe that's a paddling.
Great birthday present from the Leafs.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Must. Have. Milk
"Ironic isn't it, that the very strings I played then are made from the very gut of the animal this song is about" - David McGahan
Any thoughts on Lashoff?
He didn’t look out of place to me, even when you have to figure he picked up extra minutes with Komi out. Can’t ask for much else from a 5th d-man really.
He wasn’t Lebda. Therefore he was awesome.
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by daoust on Mar 17, 2011 8:30 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Not trying to draw comparisons to Aulie, but he reminded me of Aulie’s first game.
Simple, clean, didn’t try to do too much.
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That's a very good thing.
My expectations aren’t exactly soaring for a guy that has been passed from team to team and spent most of the year in the minors, but he didn’t make any blatent mistakes that cost us a goal, so he gets a C+ for his first game from me.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 8:39 AM EDT up reply actions
it looks like phaneuf, schenn, aulie and gunnar are going to be our big minute guys going forward. all we need is a couple of guys making $1m or less that can play 8-10 minutes and not be complete disasters. if lashoff can be one of them, great.
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God I hope Burke agrees for next year.
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by The '67 Sound on Mar 17, 2011 8:43 AM EDT up reply actions
/splurt
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Our d would look a lot like it did tonight then, the big 4 playing HUGE minutes, and the other two just filling a few minutes of icetime.
I can’t see burke going into next year without adding at least 1 more UFA dman. Not necessarily a #1-4, but a 5,6 definitely.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 8:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Aulie and Phaneuf can’t log 26min each night.
Also, Schenn only played 21 min last night. 4th among the Leafs D
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No reason Gysbers can’t step into that role, right? He’s put together a tidy little season with 7g, 29pts in 50gp. Give the big defensive minutes to Schenn, Aulie, and Phaneuf, and Gysbers should get by just fine.
by A Lindros Jaw on Mar 17, 2011 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions
I’d be fine with a rotation of Lashoff, Gysbers, Holzer, whoever.
Unfortunately they’ll be paired with Komi.
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by The '67 Sound on Mar 17, 2011 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Komi is ours forever and ever and ever.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions
If they need to hit the cap floor why wouldn’t they just pay for a player who’s actually not terrible?
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by The '67 Sound on Mar 17, 2011 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions
NYI doesn’t do that.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
In a more perfect world, Komi is helping NYI hit the cap floor, and wegetpay a second for them to take him.
I think it’s a lot easier to get over the floor than under the ceiling. At the very least, we’ll have to bid against other teams for them to take our trash.
President of the Emotional Hedging club.
24/02/2011: I was there when Brett Lebda scored.
I still think he picks up a UFA dman. He probably has his eye on a few that are hitting UFA, and Burke loves very specific players.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Burke Loves signing D-men.
"He should be wearing a Sens sweater" - describing someone acting less than sane or competent. Use it.
Everyone needs a hobby.
I collect stamps.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Drinkin’ is a hobby Bubbs
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by Tickle Me Aulie on Mar 17, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
If he does pick up a UFA dman it better be a pointgetter. To take a bit of pressure off our slightly below-average forward corps next season we need more production from the back end, period.
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I'm sure we'll be seeing these names several times before July 1, but here are the 2011 UFA d-men
Jovanovski, Ed "
Lidstrom, Nicklas "
McCabe, Bryan "
Markov, Andrei "
Hamrlik, Roman "
Hannan, Scott "
Brewer, Eric "
Kaberle, Tomas "
Pitkanen, Joni "
Bieksa, Kevin "
Rivet, Craig "
Salo, Sami "
Wisniewski, James "
Ehrhoff, Christian "
White, Ian "
Staios, Steve "
Wallin, Niclas "
Sopel, Brent "
Vandermeer, Jim "
Gill, Hal "
Hejda, Jan "
Huskins, Kent "
O’Brien, Shane "
Montador, Steve "
Martinek, Radek "
Babchuk, Anton "
Skrastins, Karlis "
O’Donnell, Sean "
Foote, Adam "
Eminger, Steve "
Salei, Ruslan "
Alberts, Andrew "
Jones, Randy "
Bergeron, Marc-Andre "
Lukowich, Brad "
Ericsson, Jonathan "
Lilja, Andreas "
Mara, Paul "
Greene, Andy "
Strudwick, Jason "
Pardy, Adam "
Hale, David "
Woywitka, Jeff "
Collins, Sean "
Sulzer, Alexander "
Oystrick, Nathan "
Meyer, Freddy "
Arsene, Dean "
Roy, Mathieu "
Bagnall, Drew "
Hendry, Jordan "
Harrold, Peter "
Guenin, Nate "
Petiot, Richard "
Yonkman, Nolan "
Baumgartner, Nolan "
Palin, Brett "
Benoit, Andre "
Johnson, Aaron "
Callahan, Joe "
Welch, Noah "
Sifers, Jaime "
Paetsch, Nathan "
Rodney, Bryan "
Davison, Rob "
Meech, Derek "
Sullivan, Sean "
Hnidy, Shane "
Kronwall, Staffan "
Wagner, Steve "
Hutchinson, Andrew "
Boynton, Nick "
Fahey, Brian "
Exelby, Garnet "
Wilson, Clay "
Harrison, Jay "
Cullimore, Jassen "
Potter, Corey "
Leach, Jay "
http://www.capgeek.com/free_agents.php?year_id=2011&team_id=-1&position_id=D&fa_type_id=2
Ehrhoff, Jovanovski and Kaberle being the obvious big names. I wouldn’t be shocked to see Bieksa get an offer from Burke either.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Bieksa is probably the guy we end up signing unless Burke turns one of our 1st round picks into a veteran Dman with a year left on his contract like JML, and my new pipe dream, Brent Burns.
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A trade for an already-signed d-man is very possible if none of these names sound up Burke’s alley, with those 1st round picks available to be dangled as bait.
But frankly that opens up such a huge realm of possibilities that my little mind can’t handle until the offseason.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions
BB: “Hey Cliffy, put down that prune juice and give your son a call.”
CF: “What. Who are you?”
BB: “Sigh, it’s me, Brian. Listen Cliff we need to see if the Wild are willing to trade Brent Burns”
CF: “I don’t have sideburns.”
BB: “Nevermind, Cliff. I’ll call myself.”
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by blindfolded tank driver on Mar 17, 2011 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Hal Gill + Ian White = ??
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by not norm ullman on Mar 17, 2011 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
His situation was a lot like Macarthur, never really got a shot before being shppied to another team. But he is better than Lebda any day and being 24 he has the potenial to improve.
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His situation was a lot like Macarthur, never really got a shot before being shppied to another team.
He had plenty of chances on other teams, I don’t know what you’re talking about. He’s still better than Lebda.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions
As a 20 year old he played 12 games with the bruins
As a 21 year old he played 18 games with the bruins
at 22 heplayed 16 with the bruins and 12 with the lightning
at 23 he played 5 with the lightnng and 1 now at 24 with the leafs
That is not many games in any given year.
Yes he got some playing time but never even a quater season with one team. All I am suggesting is that maybe a half season in the 6-7 spot will give the kid a chance to get comfortable and show us what he has.
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He only played those few games because he proved he wasn't ready for the NHL.
I hope I’m wrong, and he can slot into a 5th/6th role, but he’s got to earn it, he shouldn’t be given anything. I’d want Marlies all pushing for a callup to take his place if they can.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Lashoff is more engaged offensively than Aulie, he doesn’t play as much of a “contain” style as Aulie does. Seems like he was often stepping up on the opposing forwards pretty aggressively, which is fine if he’s paired with a more stay-at-home guy. Overall he looked good and a hell of a lot better than Lebda. Now that Komi is injured I actually think our D might improve with a combo of Lashoff/Gysbers (or someone else)
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So is Gigure in tomorrow against Florida?
and is Gustavsson done in the NHL for this season if JS plays well in that game?
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I’d still wager that Reimer gets the start, but I don’t see why Giggy is a better proposition than Gus at the moment
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I’m jsut thinking JS is already on the bench. i know Jonas was sent down for a conditioning stint, doe she have to go through re-entry waivers to come back up?
that may keep him down,
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Monster’s on the active roster.
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by The '67 Sound on Mar 17, 2011 8:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh God yes.
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by The '67 Sound on Mar 17, 2011 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Pretty much everyone is in agreement on that, but start Gustvasson before Giguere… I don’t see Burke/RW doing that.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions
she doesn’t need waivers as she’s already in the press box.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 8:41 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
She??
I know there’s some concerns about Gus, but I never knew the extent of his injuries!
Giggy will start according to Wilson
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that’s what he said yesterday too. this is his new pre-game good luck ritual – tell everyone giggy’s starting, then put in reimer.
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Then psych!
Gustavsson ends up in net, Reimer takes off his helmet and heads to the bench, and Giguere magically transforms back into a suit and heads up to the press box.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 8:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Coaching genius!
EXTEND HIS CONTRACT NOW!!!1
Lost in Dion's big game
Aulie led the team in ES TOI last night. Half of it against Staal and only outchanced 3-5 on a night ES chances were 6-14 against. That’s pretty freaking remarkable for a rookie.
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The pairing of Aulie and Phaneuf has been amazing the past month or so. EVen against TBay, they were good. As I said in my last tweet #thankyousutter
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We should be calling that the “Smug Face” pairing.
As in, hey Calgary…
/puts Aulie and Phaneuf on ice
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by clrkaitken on Mar 17, 2011 8:49 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I can’t believe the words are coming out of my mouth (fingers I guess since I’m typing) but Phaneuf is a great role model for the type of game I see Aulie playing.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 8:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Aulie will never have Dion’s offensive game but I think he could be a perfect complement if he just plays a safe, physical, positional game—let’s Dion go for big hits and offensive rushes. Play the Foote to Dion’s Blake.
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by The '67 Sound on Mar 17, 2011 8:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Play the Foote to Dion’s Blake.
Mind = blown
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Not saying either are as good as their models but it’s a pretty good model, right?
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by The '67 Sound on Mar 17, 2011 8:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Well ya, but that seems like a pretty god comparison
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*good
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you had it right the first time
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by Tickle Me Aulie on Mar 17, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Aulie will never have Dion’s offensive game
Agreed, Phaneuf has a pretty unique “style” as far as the specific way he goes about playing his position. Aulie won’t replicate that because he’s a big man with different strengths. But he’s only 20 or so… I think he definitely has the potential to put up some numbers in the future.
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He’s never put up offensive numbers at any level unless you count 33 points in 58 games as an overager in the WHL. Let’s just be happy with what we have and not expect anything offensive out of him. If he can be Anton Volchenkov I’m ecstatic.
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by The '67 Sound on Mar 17, 2011 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions
No points?
Oh no! We’ve ended up with a taller Francois Beauchemin! Quelle horreur!
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Exactly. Younger and cheaper too.
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by The '67 Sound on Mar 17, 2011 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions
1996-97 Prince George Cougars WHL 49 3 19 22
1997-98 New York Islanders NHL 25 0 1 1 50
1997-98 Kentucky Thoroughblades AHL 48 4 9 13
1998-99 New York Islanders NHL 59 2 6 8 83
1998-99 Lowell Lock Monsters AHL 23 2 2 4 47
1999-00 New York Islanders NHL 65 2 9 11 57
2000-01 New York Islanders NHL 82 2 7 9 157
these are Chara’s numbers.. very modest
I’ve been pretty hard on Phaneuf this year, but I have to admit that I’m coming around. Potting goals helps obviously, but its more than that. He actually looks like a captain out there to me now, all leadershipy and shit. I know this is a touchy feely thing which is frowned upon round these parts, but that’s the way I’m calling it. so suck it.
by Kessel'sOversizedSuit on Mar 17, 2011 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions
He actually looks like a captain out there to me now, all leadershipy and shit.
This is sorta frowned upon by some
but that’s the way I’m calling it. so suck it.
Thats frowned upon even more
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Leafer1984 and I have been staunch Dion supporters all year. I am not Impressed, I’m Stoked he’s regaining his form. that second goal was an absolute laser one-timer like old times.
Dion Phaneuf: turning the tunes up since '10
Inspired by the words of our good friend eyebleaf
Dion hasn’t changed, you’ve changed
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Dion really hasn’t changed. He’s actually averaging LESS shots on goal during his 11 pts in 11 gms streak. He just had horrendous luck and now it’s shifted in his favour. Think of him as a one-man New Jersey Devils.
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by The '67 Sound on Mar 17, 2011 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Even he admits in the post-game that “sometimes the goals just don’t come” and that he hasn’t substantially changed anything in his game.
He does admit to feeling better in the last month, skating better after that leg cut earlier in the year.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions
I have noticed him moving better and being more physical since late January but the pucks going in thing… I just don’t think that’s really within his control.
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by The '67 Sound on Mar 17, 2011 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions
He may be shooting “better” in terms of “more of his shots on net are going in”, which has more to do with his shooting % returning back to his career average rather than any significant improvement in his shot.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions
"I’ve said it before, sometimes they go in, sometimes they don’t," Phaneuf noted. "We had some guys in front of the net and things worked out."
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Ya but, not many goalies in the league would have stopped that one
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they wouldn't stop a lot
of his shots that don’t even hit the net… his accuracy is so wild at times that the idea that he laser beamed a shot with perfect control is ridiculous to me.
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess he was just lucky then
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yep
pretty much. If you took all the shots he was aiming upper corner on, and counted the number that have actually gone in the net this season? it’d be pretty effing small.
To me that implies his “skill” level doesn’t have much to do wit hit.
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Well I’m really glad you cleared that up for us
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no you're not
but hey… you’re still upset about the last time we spoke… I can deal.
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- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
don't hold onto it too long
the italian vendetta thing is sort of worthless on the internet.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll be sure
to change my sleep patterns just so I can be the first person to respond to your discussions about “luck” or “not luck” next time… but until the march break ends that isn’t something I’m going to worry about.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
You know you can put more than one thought into one comment right?
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it's hard
after I hit the post button… but yes I’m aware.
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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s too bad there’s no requirement for at least one.
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by T is for Truculence on Mar 17, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Phaneuf's accuracy
I’d also think that having a wipe open path to the net with no players within 20 feet of him helped the accuracy of his slap slot.
Just saying.
On the Mike Weber bandwagon (Stupid penalties and all!)
Rob Niedermayer scored a goal. Your argument is invalid.
possibly
although he actually hit Cam Ward on the shoulder on one of the shots… so that likely had to do with increased power… not taking something off.
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I was talking about the one that hit the post, i hadn’t realized he was open on the other one too.
Did Carolina just not bother to cover him?
On the Mike Weber bandwagon (Stupid penalties and all!)
Rob Niedermayer scored a goal. Your argument is invalid.
Carolina’s defense isn’t spectacular.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
they're actually
pretty god awful… but yeah… Ward has faced more shots than any goalie in the NHL this season for a reason.
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
First goal was all traffic, the second was an offensive defenceman’s wet dream scenario.
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by The '67 Sound on Mar 17, 2011 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh ya, he saw the puck coming back at a perfect speed….
PING
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best Ping I have heard all season. MacArthur’s on Saturday is a runner up
Dion Phaneuf: turning the tunes up since '10
They were both delicious.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions
My rough guess on the speed of that shot was approximately Mach 7.3.
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by The '67 Sound on Mar 17, 2011 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions
The “Ping” wasn’t actually the post, it was a sonic boom.
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by The '67 Sound on Mar 17, 2011 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
HAHAHAHAH
Well played
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Was Lee Stempniak shooting better when he went on that ridiculous run at the end of last year?
Colour me skeptical that a five year vet suddenly figured out how to shoot midseason.
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by The '67 Sound on Mar 17, 2011 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions
With respect, I’m just thinking all the aspects of his game – improved mobility, physicality, shot power, accuracy probably have more to to with recovery from injury rather than his luck evening out.
by A Lindros Jaw on Mar 17, 2011 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Then why was his sh% terrible pre-injury and last year post-trade?
Shit happens. Dion himself said it; pucks are just going in now.
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by The '67 Sound on Mar 17, 2011 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Not sure I’d totally trust an athlete’s banal post-game interview as a sound analysis of his game. He didn’t even mention how he’s been giving 110%.
Come get your duds in order...
He didn’t even mention how he’s been giving 110%.
That right there proves he’s not doing all he can do.
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There could be a number of explainations: trouble adjusting to a new team, new defensive partners, new coaching instructions. Colour me skeptical that a 4 year vet gets snakebitten that hard for so long for no reason other than luck.
by A Lindros Jaw on Mar 17, 2011 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions
not to mention pressure of wearing the “C”
by Nigel Cadbury on Mar 17, 2011 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
It happens all the time. Look at any big time scorer and you’ll see fluctuations of 7% or more year to year.
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by The '67 Sound on Mar 17, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
And obviously much bigger swings over a fragment of a year. Like Kessel going goalless for 14 or Zetts getting 2 goals in 26 games. Did they forget how to score? No, they were snakebitten.
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by The '67 Sound on Mar 17, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
We want to find explanations for things, so “luck” is a difficult concept for us to grasp.
Luck happens, though. Absolute consistency is a myth. True talent, or skill, bears out over an enormous number of events; in any smaller sample sizes, performances better or worse than that true skill level are likely to occur.
Perhaps “things out of our control” is a better term than “luck”.
As you have pointed out before, flip a coin 100 times and see how “streaky” lady luck actually is.
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by The '67 Sound on Mar 17, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
and if scoring in the NHL was in any way comparable to flipping a coin, I wonder how many players would practice their shot.
by A Lindros Jaw on Mar 17, 2011 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
the funny thing is
it is comparable… only you’d have better luck with the coin flip.
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
happens all the time
and that’s just how it goes.
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
yes
it is unfathomable… his shooting percentage is far too low for him to have that ability.
He’s just luckier.
People need to work on accepting that.
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I think at the beginning of the year it was " oh shit, I’m the captain, I have to carry the team on my back like Jerome did in Calgary" which had him doing too much.Then he got hurt.
Dion Phaneuf: turning the tunes up since '10
this.
It’s almost like perhaps someone took him aside and said “you know Dion, don’t worry about doing everything … just go out and play some hard minutes, play good defence, let the rest take care of itself”.
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by fair_n_hite_451 on Mar 17, 2011 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions
I think that most of Dion’s recent play has partly to do with finally coming back from his injury but mostly has to do with his trust in his goalie and defensive partner. Both allow Dion to be more free wheeling and allow him to play aggressively on the offense without thinking about having to hold back to get back to a defensive stand point. I have no figures or anything to prove this but it seems to me to be the case, he needs to have someone to back him up and now he has James and Keith doing just that.
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Yeah, I thought the same thing last night. If you want to adapt it, “Dion hasn’t changed, his luck has changed”.
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by The '67 Sound on Mar 17, 2011 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
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I dunno… he seems to have taken a bit off his shot, more seem to be hitting the net. Or at least not going 3 ft high and 3 ft wide. Also, he’s playing a couple minutes more per night than he was when Beauchemin and Kabby were still here.
He’s changed a little bit anyway. Which is good, growth and personal improvement are important.
I just realized he’s at 23 pts in 54 games, which is a 35-pt pace over 82 games. That’s basically what I was expecting from him when he came over. Nice.
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by daoust on Mar 17, 2011 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
no
this is not happening… we’re trying to explain it away as something internal to Dion, when it’s EXTERNAL… he isn’t doing anything significantly different. He still makes booboos in his own end, he pinches at the wrong time, he tries to do more than he probably should… but hey he’s scored some goals and gotten some assists so we think he’s doing it with more control?
Please… just accept that he ISN’T capable of controlling things to that degree.
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Please… just accept that he ISN’T capable of controlling things to that degree.
Other people are allowed to have different opinions still Steve.
“just accept it” is a terrible way of presenting an opinion.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
but this isn't an opinion
it’s an obvious reality… enough people have done enough work to show that players don’t control their shooting percentage at a micro level… people are resistant to the idea, but that doesn’t make it incorrect.
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- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Also
it’s not like I was saying people aren’t “allowed” to have another opinion… if I thought that way I certainly wouldn’t have used the word Please.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s a lot more positive around here when you’re not in “teacher mode”.
I love the stats and arguments you present, but can we keep it away from “I’m right you’re wrong deal with it.”
Maybe that’s just me.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I never said
“I’m right you’re wrong deal with it”.
and if you think that’s how I teach then you’re off base… but ok.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Saying things aren’t opinion but “obvious reality” while declaring everybody else’s ideas as nothing but opinion and speculation seems pretty off-base to me.
You may not have said “I’m right you’re wrong deal with it” in so many words, but the tone of your posts sometimes comes off as arrogant and condescending. Obviously a lot of nuance gets missed on the Internet but from the looks of things I’m not the only person who’s ever noticed it.
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by T is for Truculence on Mar 17, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
here's the difference
I’m arguing on the basis of data… other people are using anecdotal evidence.
I’m not a fan of the latter… it doesn’t tend to give a clear picture.
I would argue that if you want to make an argument, finding data to support it is a good idea.
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- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
do you even watch the games?
I kid, I kid.
I am to blame for starting this whole mess, so for my part, I am sorry.
by Kessel'sOversizedSuit on Mar 17, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
As for the arrogant and condescending part of it?
you aren’t the 1st to accuse me of it… probably won’t be the last… I also don’t know if there’s much point to it.
It’s right up there with people telling me how much they appreciate it when they don’t think I’m being arrogant and condescending.
I find all the paternalistic advice on how to conduct myself more than a tad hypocritical for the record. It’s weird to have a bunch of people attempt to constructively criticize how you communicate out of frustration with it by telling you how to modify your behaviour… particularly when what they’re bothered by is the other person’s attempts to modify their behaviour?
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- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
to state it alternatively
don’t tell me how to think/act + you don’t act the way I want you to… think/act this way.
At a deeper level I’m sure my responses are just adding to some people’s frustration, but realistically none of this is modifying anything. We could stick to the actual debate about hockey, maybe add to it, remove from it, whatever. The personal ad hominem stuff doesn’t really further it much one way or another.
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey, if you don’t want to play nice with anybody, that’s your prerogative. I’m not the thought police, and I’m not your mother.
You’re absolutely right: I don’t have any more right to tell you what to do or what to think than you do for the rest of us. Just remember that. Stats are not black and white, no matter how much you want to think.
I’ll confess I don’t have the time to put into poring through stats that you do, and I give you all the credit in the world for doing that. In fact, when you present facts and figures, I will look at them. And if they change my mind about something, I’ll even say so. But stats are just numbers. Our interpretation of them, your interpretation of them, that is subjective. Two people can come up with entirely different opinions from the same numbers.
Declaring something an “obvious reality” because of the way you’ve interpreted it, complaining that everybody else doesn’t see the same truth as you, then dismissing others because they disagree with your interpretation, that’s pretty paternalistic to me.
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by T is for Truculence on Mar 17, 2011 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll admit that it is
paternalistic.
I just find it strange when people tell me not to do it and then do exactly what they’re complaining about.
I’m not actually upset that you’re trying to modify my behaviour, I just don’t think what people are actually upset by is the paternalistic tone.
It’s more the nature of the disagreement than anything.
Anyway… we’re now arguing about arguing, and I don’t see a huge point to that. It’s not particularly constructive either way.
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- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn’t think we were arguing, I was just trying to point out why I think you get into so many arguments all the time. I always keep an open mind when I’m on here because I know there are plenty of people around here who know more and spend more time thinking about hockey than I do. I appreciate the communal knowledge that this little village has, and I think every one of us contributes to that.
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by T is for Truculence on Mar 17, 2011 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
This is something
I agree with.
Believe it or not, I don’t sit around and talk hockey all day with random people when I’m not in here.
I honestly get so frustrated with the average fan’s opinion I’d rather not listen to them. 95% of the people in here know what they’re talking about, and I respect their opinions (even if I don’t always type like I do)… I just don’t see the need for the personalization of a hockey conversation I guess.
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- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Reality is overrated, obvious or otherwise.
by Kessel'sOversizedSuit on Mar 17, 2011 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
On shooting percentage yes but he’s been visibly better defensively. He has reined in his defensive game and it’s made a difference to his results.
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I don't know about that
he still doesn’t block a lot of shots… his hit numbers are still about where they were.
Is it possible Aulie is the difference? A big stay at home guy that lets him roam a bit more freely? Aulie is a more significant change than anything I’ve seen from Dion.
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
He doesn’t seem to be running around as often, he takes better angles more often when going after the puck carrier. Yeah, he still makes glaring errors but not as many or at least they aren’t punished as much.
I’m not sure Aulie is that much of a difference compared to Beauchemin. Probably more about not as many errors going in.
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Perhaps
Reimer has helped that last point quite a bit.
I’m looking over Event sheets from the past few games, and on the subject of Dion shooting better… in the game against TB he had 5 of his shot attempts blocked, and 2 on net, against Buffalo he had 2 blocked to 1 on net, in Philly he had 4 on net and 1 blocked.
Also his hit numbers are up, not down… to me that means he might be taking more risks to make the physical play… but yeah I dunno… I just don’t think I’ve seen a significant shift in HIS play… just in the results.
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Reimer bailed out Phaneuf hard last night (when he lead to a 3 on 1, good goaltending can cover up a lot of problems.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
He was off after the injury but I’m seeing now what I remember from last year and early this year.
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by The '67 Sound on Mar 17, 2011 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
kind of like when he played with Regehr?
by Nigel Cadbury on Mar 17, 2011 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree that aulie, and a decent goalie, is a big big part of it.
by Kessel'sOversizedSuit on Mar 17, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Pretty much. Dion’s got over a year with the Leafs now and the only time I noticed anything different in his game is he seemed less mobile and more tentative for a while after his return from injury. Otherwise he’s the same guy with varying degrees of luck.
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by The '67 Sound on Mar 17, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Phaneuf is likely not as good as he’s been his past six or seven games. However before this stretch his shooting percentage was half his career average. Dude’s due some regression to the mean.
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exactly
he’s going to eventually see some good luck to balance out all the bad if he keeps playing big minutes and getting the chance to perform.
He wasn’t likely to keep being a 1-2% shooter for the rest of his career.
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- Sir Winston Churchill
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
All I suggested is that maybe he’s taken a bit off his shot – which he CAN control -and that his minutes are up since Beauch / Kabby were traded – which they ARE.
Please…. just accept that you DON’T have to disagree with everything, or at least not be so smug about it when you do.
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Point is we have no evidence he’s taking something off his shot more often—I certainly haven’t noticed it—and his increase in ice time is marginal and doesn’t explain a massive uptick in scoring.
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by The '67 Sound on Mar 17, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
You're right
I don’t… have to change any more than anyone else… just accept it?
He’s been asked about the shot thing in the past and has insisted he hasn’t taken anything off it… I dunno about you, but the shots he fired on net last night looked pretty damn hard to me.
In fact the only way that one hits Ward and keeps moving into the net is if it’s a damn hard bullet of a shot.
As for playing bigger minutes, yes… he is… I don’t know what that has to do with him scoring more.
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
From what I’ve seen with my own two eyes, it looks like Dion has taken a bit off of his shot, occasionally. I don’t give a shit what your or Dion say about it frankly.
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If you don't give a shit
then we shouldn’t be having this discussion… there’s no gun to anyone’s head to respond.
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- Sir Winston Churchill
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
He’s not blasting every shot now, he picks his spots for the big blasts from what I’ve been noticing. Before every shot was just a wind and fire, now he seems to wait for the perfect setup to do this, like last night. Otherwise he’s been doing alot of low to the ice, get it to the net kind of shots.
by Nigel Cadbury on Mar 17, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I wonder if there is a way to see if his shot selection (wrist v. slap) has changed?
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Yikes, I can’t imagine they make those stats available, if they’re even collected.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions
they do.
and they are.
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- Sir Winston Churchill
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
The NHL tracks them in game reports. Not sure how you could collect all the data.
Someone really should write a scraper for NHL game sheets… I would love to have a compilation of shooter, shot selection, and shot distance.
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Pretty sure BtN collects shot types, but only cumulatively. So you can look year over year but not within years.
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by The '67 Sound on Mar 17, 2011 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions
no you can look
within years.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
BtN
has the scraper… Gabe has done work on this and helped Ken Krzywicki do the same thing.
doing it game to game would be useful though.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Well look at that# – thanks for the heads up.
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no problem
it’d be nice to examine splits for those stats.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Amazing. I had no idea. That is detail and dedication in stat-collection.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
but his goals
were slap shots… so… doesn’t that sort of mean we can’t attribute THOSE to his new shot selection (that nobody is backing up with anything other than “my eyes have shown me”)?
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Right but if he did then it would be a point in favour of the argument that Dion is picking his spots and more aware that he can’t just blast every shot.
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right
so the only 2 shots he fired on net last night were slap shots… and they both scored… so because of last night we’re arguing that he has taken something off his shot and is picking his spots by taking more wrist shots, even though if he took a wrister last night it didn’t hit the net?
got it.
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
Exactly Steve. Daoust is only talking about one game. Come on.
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well
if he doesn’t score 2 goals last night and we lose the game, I doubt we’re having this conversation… but even if we expand it to previous games…
I already mentioned in the previous 2 games he only hit the net with 3 shots, and managed to have another 11 blocked or miss the net… how is that indicative of him “picking his spots” more?
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes
We have had this conversation before he scored goals.
I already mentioned in the previous 2 games he only hit the net with 3 shots, and managed to have another 11 blocked or miss the net… how is that indicative of him "picking his spots" more?
Well Steve, when I play hockey and I try to block a shot (note: this is a hypothetical because blocking shots is for grinders) then I make sure that I am between the goalie and the net. If a shot is 8 feet high and 4 feet wide it won’t hit me. So if he’s getting more shots blocked that probably means that he is getting more shots at least closer to the general vicinity of the net.
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Hahaha
(note: this is a hypothetical because blocking shots is for grinders)
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I don’t think I score enough to be Hoglund.
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I don't think
it’s automatic that a blocked shot is a shot on net… efforts aside.
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Odds are that a blocked shot was probably going on net. At least more so than a shot headed off target.
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he’s using wristers to get the puck to the net, not necessarily to get it past the goalie, but to give the guys in front of the net something to tip, or get a rebound off of.
by Nigel Cadbury on Mar 17, 2011 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Is he?
he didn’t last night.
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
So he never has.
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by PPP on Mar 17, 2011 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
no
but doesn’t mean he is always doing it either.
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Good thing no one is saying that he’s always doing it.
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good thing
nobody said he’s never doing it.
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
oh wait
nm… that was you.
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
See
I asked a question and referred to an example… you inferred the absolute… I’m not really sure how it helps either way.
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
When
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by PPP on Mar 17, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
you
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reply
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to a question
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by PPP on Mar 17, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
dismissively with a single example
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by PPP on Mar 17, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
then the obvious inference
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by PPP on Mar 17, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
is that you are arguing
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by PPP on Mar 17, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
that it is wrong. Full stop. Not that it’s wrong in one instance. Don’t want to get misunderstood? Communicate more effectively.
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by PPP on Mar 17, 2011 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
there wasn't a
misunderstanding… you were being absurd and you know it.
If you actually think I believe he NEVER fires wrist shots then speak to the point.
If you got that from anything I’ve said, I think this is the moment you could point it out.
I’m only arguing I haven’t seen a drastic shift in his game, not that I think he never shoots wrist shots.
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
multiple people are saying
“I’ve seen a change to his game” and they’re annoyed that someone’s disagreeing with it… I don’t see a huge problem in the communication side of things.
If people want to offer some concrete evidence beyond “hey look he’s scored more because he’s getting more wrist shots on net” they can… I have yet to see anything like that.
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
my initial comments:
“he seems to have taken a bit off his shot”
“He’s changed a little bit anyway”
Your response:
“no this is not happening… "
“Please… just accept that he ISN’T capable of controlling things to that degree”
basically you’re yelling at me that he has no ability to change his game a little bit. think about how ridiculous that is.
you may not see a problem in the communication side of things, but there’s probably a reason you’re the number one participant in pissing matches around here.
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To me, the tone of that is akin to my parents telling me to do something without telling me why.
“Trust me, you’ll thank me later…”
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by T is for Truculence on Mar 17, 2011 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
right
well… I am willing to look into it further.
You’re probably right that my tone comes across as far too firm.
I have actually looked at it more strongly… but the taking a bit off his shot thing makes no sense.
he’s taking different types of shots, but he isn’t shooting slap shots less powerfully.
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
and as for
thinking things are absurd one way or another… I think a lot of things people say are absurd… I’ll live if people feel the same about my statements.
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
he isn’t shooting slap shots less powerfully.
it is virtually impossible for you to know this. me as well. the fact his shots appear less errant (or less dramatically errant) certainly leads me to believe he’s not swinging for the fences every time. but who knows.
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ok I'm done
going over every game he’s played this season… I have to run to the grocery store, but I’ll put up a posting when I get back about it so you can see the data yourself.
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions
The exception
doesn’t prove the rule, or disprove the general argument, but it certainly doesn’t support it either.
As for whether or not I was being dismissive, I sure do spend a lot of time trying to illuminate points to those I’m dismissing… kinda backwards if you think about it.
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok
so on the season his proportions are as follows:
Slap : 69 ES, 28 PP
Snap: 31 ES, 8 PP
Wrist: 41 ES, 9 PP
That’s 97 slap shot attempts at ES or PP, 39 snap shot attempts at ES or PP, and 50 Wrist shots…
I have no idea if that’s gone up or down recently… but it’s roughly 2-1 Slap Shots to Wrist shots, and last night he only fired 2 shots both of which were slap shots.
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
When
you include snap and wrist shots together you get 97 slappers, and 89 wrist/snap shots.
Those are REMARKABLY similar to the numbers i’ve gotten from just the last 25 games… If they were skewed differently before, then the total should still show that skew… it doesn’t… therefore… no significant change… sorry.
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
and yes
espn’s game casts have shot type… and distance.
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
He’s not blasting every shot now, he picks his spots for the big blasts from what I’ve been noticing. Before every shot was just a wind and fire, now he seems to wait for the perfect setup to do this, like last night. Otherwise he’s been doing alot of low to the ice, get it to the net kind of shots.
This is exactly what I have observed as well.
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I noticed him occasionally taking something off one last year and earlier this year too. Beware confirmation bias.
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by The '67 Sound on Mar 17, 2011 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Phaneuf’s had some pretty crummy luck since arriving in Toronto. He was shooting 2% down from 6% his rookie year in Calgary. As a 4% shooter Phaneuf would be a welcome offensive boost to the team.
He’s probably not doing anything different; the pucks are just finally going in.
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ok ok… so pro athletes never do anything to change or improve their game, they have a base level of skill and performance that lasts the duration of their career, and the only thing that can possibly change their results is luck. got it.
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Let me rephrase this; did Dion Phaneuf have some “a-ha!” moment last week and start scoring about a goal a game because of a small tweak?
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Maybe he just heard that "Friday comes after Thursday but before Sunday" song and cranked it to 11.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Of course not, and I never said that was the case. He may have made little tweaks over the last 25 games, and he’s just starting to get some good bounces now that are leading to goals. Who knows.
I just find it a bit strange though that you guys think that athletes don’t work on changing or improving aspects of their game, and that everything is attributable to puck luck and regression to the mean.
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I’d expect any changes an athlete makes would result in more chances not higher percentage ones.
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Right, and his shots per game are actually down.
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by The '67 Sound on Mar 17, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
why would you expect that? you can’t make changes that result in doing something more effectively?
this conversation is baffling me.
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technically speaking
he could be shooting from better locations… and changing shot type IS changing to higher percentages… so if he goes from slap shots to snap/wrist shots from closer in he’s likely to increase his goal totals overall.
I’m willing to have this conversation, I’d just rather not have it in a vacuum with more info than “I’ve seen” or “I’ve noticed”.
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
in this instance
I’d say it’s more luck than anything… I haven’t seen a significant change… I also don’t see how taking something off his shot would result in a lot more goals. More pucks on net perhaps? but not goals.
In the last 2 games prior to the ‘Canes game, he played against TB and Buffalo, and he fired 11 shots that were either blocked or missed the net, and a grand total of 3 shots that hit the net. Does that seem like he’s made some drastic long term shift in style of play?
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions
More pucks on net = more goals.
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ok I looked at the TB game
he fired 9 shots, 5 slaps, 3 wrists, and 1 backhand.
1 of the wristers hit the net and scored, the other 2 were blocked. So was the backhand, and 1 slap shot. Only 1 of the slap shots hit the net, and the other 2 missed the net completely.
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
If Steve’s agreeing, he’s dying.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Mar 17, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Unreal.
Worst in reverse for Colorado. 1 win in their last 22 games.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
What actually happened is that NJuggernaut took all the unsustanable PDO from Colorado and left their worst-in-history PDO there instead.
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Rob Niedermayer scored a goal. Your argument is invalid.
no
Jaques Lemaire is obviously a genius coach, and all the trades have made Colorado half the team they once were! They control everything and luck has nothing to do with it.
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Full disclosure
Lemaire coached teams do tend to have high PDO.
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Rob Niedermayer scored a goal. Your argument is invalid.
how high?
like multiple standard deviations above the mean high?
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions
only like 1008 on average… but even that much over a 4 year span (or however long he was in Minnisota) is fairly tough to do.
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Rob Niedermayer scored a goal. Your argument is invalid.
Jacques Lemaire was the first coach of Minnesota and stepped down in 2009….so 8 years.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Mar 17, 2011 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah
that’s pretty long… it seemed shorter for some reason.
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
It was too short, I agree. If only he wasn’t all “If you fire Doug, I’m leaving too.” Sigh…
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Mar 17, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
The NJuggernaut cannot* be stopped.
* – Except by Craig Anderson
The Sabres play them next Saturday. Doomed.
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Rob Niedermayer scored a goal. Your argument is invalid.
I’m not sure I’m more frightened of being a threat for the last playoff spot at this point – NJ or Buffalo
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No
Leafs and Sabres are going to the playoffs together! Who needs the stupid rangers. They should get eliminated on the last day of the season again because it’s ironic.
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Rob Niedermayer scored a goal. Your argument is invalid.
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Those schedule-makers are clever bastards.
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It would be hilarious
If the Rangers missed the playoffs again in the last game in a shootout
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
He actually looks like a captain out there to me now, all leadershipy and shit.
What’s he been doing differently?
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Scoring is a type of leadership, I guess
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions
so the puck
has been going in… and he’s a leader suddenly?
Does that mean when the puck isn’t going in that he’s a shitty leader?
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I think you took my comment a bit too seriously. I was agreeing that nothing has changed and they’re just going in.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Bingo
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by Nigel Cadbury on Mar 17, 2011 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
this is true
so I guess we’ve reached the a-ha moment ourselves… goals in = leadership, missing net/blocked shot = loser.
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
He’s putting the team on his back, or at least that’s how it appears to me (subjective I know). I knew I’d get flamed for my non-stat based comment, but it’s the way I see it. And like I said from the start, scoring goals does not hurt.
by Kessel'sOversizedSuit on Mar 17, 2011 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions
The problem with the “do you even watch the games” type analysis, is that I doubt he would be “showing leadership” if those goals went wide instead of in.
Not saying it’s not visible, but thats why we should all understand both the qualitative and quantitative side of the game.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions
In his own zone he was a beast last night, except for that one dumb play in the 3rd which caused a 3 on 1
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more beastiness
I just checked, and since Feb 15, Phaneuf has averaged just over 27 minutes per game. If he did that for the full season he would be first in the league, ahead of Duncan Keith and Dan Boyle.
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It would impossible to say it wasn’t his best game in a Leafs uniform. Impossible.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions
It’s not that it’s non-stat based, it’s that you can’t really say what he’s changed that’s more leadershipy. Is he barking at players more? Is he working with the other kids more? It’s:
He’s putting the team on his back
So he’s scoring more? Just tough to gauge leadership when no one here knows what goes on in the dressing room.
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Well I was walking by Grabovski at the time, so I can’t decide is the choir was for him or the doors.
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these doors?
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Did you see thepoolHartnell fight? Heflippedwrecked the bitch!
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Honestly. I want to send him dvd’s of chara, Pronger, and Larry RObinson.
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 17, 2011 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
I like how the Canucks have already clinched their division because their division is completely terrible.
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Rob Niedermayer scored a goal. Your argument is invalid.
Canucks are also pretty fucking good at hockey right now. And I hate them for it.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions
hopefully they play Chicago in the playoffs.
there’s some kryptonite right there
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Or the 2008 Red Wings, the 2002 Red Wings, the 2001 Avalanche, the 99 Stars…
I know people like to bring up “the President’s Trophy curse” but it’s BS.
Does the President’s Trophy guarantee you anything? No, except home ice. But it also doesn’t guarantee you a first round loss.
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I know that. I know a lot of Canucks fans, so I just enjoy refuting their belief that they’re definitely winning the Cup this year.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Mar 17, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
It's just annoying
To see the tonnage of “You’re winning the President’s trophy so you’re out in the first round because we cherry pick results that fit our narrative” articles and discussions that are piling up.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Mar 17, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
They should write articles saying “Vancouver doomed to play Chicago in first round, certain to lose even though player that dominated them was traded to Atlanta.”
On the Mike Weber bandwagon (Stupid penalties and all!)
Rob Niedermayer scored a goal. Your argument is invalid.
Nah
We’ll meet in the second round again
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Would be amazing, but they do have Schneider who is playing pretty great hockey right now, decreasing the chances of seeing another Luongo playoff break down…
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by Leafs_fan_in_Van on Mar 17, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
The northwest
Is the new south east
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A LINK.
http://mapleleafshotstove.com/2011/03/17/what-we-bargained-for/
An article I did on Dion just now, hope you all like it.
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by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Mar 17, 2011 9:21 AM EDT reply actions
Like it has always belonged there.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions
He had to get rewarded for his play and effort. That’s the kind of stuff we want.
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by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Mar 17, 2011 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions
I still feel it should have done to Schenn
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Schenn wore one after the Kaberle trade.
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for one game
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and because Colby was hurt for it
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by blindfolded tank driver on Mar 17, 2011 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Yup!
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Who has the other A? Honest question.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions
That is fucking horrible, tear it off his chest and staple it to Schenn’s jersey.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Change my Komisarek jersey to a Grabbo?
Change my Komisarek jersey to a Grabbo.
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by blindfolded tank driver on Mar 17, 2011 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Where does one go on the interwebz to find out a team’s record up to and since a certain date (ie. the allstar break)?
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Mentioned this on twitter, thought I’d toss it out here.
Prior to last night, Zetterberg had just 2 goals in his last 26 games. I guess we can all presume he got the Kessel treatment.
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I saw Detroit fans burning effigies outside of Joe Louis Arena on SportsCentre.
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Wow
No wonder I lose every fantasy pool.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Someone draw up a “have you seen Henrik Zetterberg?” flyer to pass around.
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by Bower Power on Mar 17, 2011 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
It’s ok we play Detroit soon I’m sure he’ll be fine.
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Slumpbusters to the rescue.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
He scored against Washington last night didn’t he?
On the Mike Weber bandwagon (Stupid penalties and all!)
Rob Niedermayer scored a goal. Your argument is invalid.
Gamewinner, bad angle, real soft goal.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Except for the fact the Leafs always somehow beat Detroit. #smallsamplesize
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by FiftyMissionCap on Mar 17, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Bozak?
Are u guys really fans???? What is he -27? With 19 mins of ice time and 3 mins of power play time per game and he’s got what 26 points. He’s on the top line playinG huge pp mins and gets tons of ice time and those are his stats? I think he’s a horrible hockey player, who could do the job any worse than him? Nobody on the leafs is near his minus numbers, he can’t score and has only 14 assists. Matt stajan had way more points and a better plus minus with the same ice and I thought he was a stIff. Bozaks a whole new level of suck. Please find other players in the league with the ice time, power play time, and his points and minus numbers…
Oh jeez.
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He’s a 3rd line center being asked to play 1st/2nd line minutes and competition. Look at him as such and suddenly, almost magically, his number become par for a 3rd liner. (76th in center scoring. 61-90 would be 3rd line centers by default.)
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3rd liner
Boy I’d hate to see his numbers with 11 mins of ice time and no power play time…he’d likely be down with the marlies after 6 months…lol and no I don’t miss Stajan lol, just saying he was a 3rd liner like pony and even those milkbags had 40+ points
I don’t miss Stajan lol, just saying he was a 3rd liner like pony and even those milkbags had 40+ points
Stajan and Poni were playng top minutes in Toronto and PP time.
Stajan 07/08 – 19 min TOI 08/09 – 17 min 09/10- 19 min
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Poni 07/08- 16 min 08/09 – 16 min 09/10 – 17 min
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RULE 5!
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Bozak has been killing the PK lately too. He’s not the 1C we hoped he might be with Kessel but to say he’s not an NHLer is just ignorant.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Right
I don’t think you’ll find anyone that isn’t saying that he’s been a disappointment as a potential 1C but he’s a player.
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Boy I’d hate to see his numbers with 11 mins of ice time and no power play time
They’d probably be in line with the role he was being asked to play.
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don’t forget softer competition
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Mar 17, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
You’re forgetting that he’s Kessel’s BFF, and how can you put a price/stat on that?
But seriously, I like Bozak. He’s had a tough year, especially given the high pressure put on his shoulders at the start.
don’t forget, he plays significant PK minutes as well, on a leaky PK, so that doesn’t help the ol plus/minus
by Kessel'sOversizedSuit on Mar 17, 2011 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions
don’t forget, he plays significant PK minutes as well, on a leaky PK, so that doesn’t help the ol plus/minus
It also doesn’t hurt +/-. Also +/- is a stupid stat. Stop paying attention to it.
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yes.
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by thenumber14 on Mar 17, 2011 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Or if you give up shorties or score shorties.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Are u guys really fans????
Why are you freaking out?
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Congratulations!
You are the first person on this site to ever openly pine for the glory of the Matt Stajan era.
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by birky on Mar 17, 2011 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Welcome
Thanks for joining.
That’s a great impression of a caricature of a Leafs fan.
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by PPP on Mar 17, 2011 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
What a drawing of said caricature might look like

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by SkinnyFish on Mar 17, 2011 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
No
Leafs Man is awesome.
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Wow, Leafs man is sure up early considering we haven’t even won tonight’s game yet.
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by thenumber14 on Mar 17, 2011 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Leafsman = Nostradamus?
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Honestly
I wouldn’t be surprised with anything at this point.
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RW has become a great manipulater of the media.
Honestly he has way too much power because all the reporters believe what he has to say, and then he can just change his mind later.
I think he’s starting to figure out how T.O. media can be used in his favour.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Jonas Hiller in Giguere’s jersey.
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That’s what Burke wants you to think.
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fingers crossed!
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by blindfolded tank driver on Mar 17, 2011 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Russ Tyler in Greg Goldberg’s jersey.
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by SkinnyFish on Mar 17, 2011 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
DA SHOOTER!
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LeafsMan was just out so late last night chasing skirts and celebrating the win that he’s making a belated appearance.
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and he hasn’t gone to bed yet. so….it’s not gameday yet for him
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Bingo
Basically, he’s about to take a 30 minute power nap, slam some red bull, and then hit the town to celebrate the shining light of the Emerald Isle.
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Bold move the night before St. Patty’s day.
Bold.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Question: What would the Toronto st, Pats Leafsman Look Like?
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by thenumber14 on Mar 17, 2011 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m not a photoshop expert, so I’m going to only assume Glorious.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions
PARTY!!!
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by SkinnyFish on Mar 17, 2011 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
guess we’re getting the overflow from LeafsTalk callers.
by Nigel Cadbury on Mar 17, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Man, people that call into Spaceman after ELafs talk make more sense than most of the Leafstalk callers
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by Bower Power on Mar 17, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
it’s good to laugh in the morning.
i don’t normally do this, but you’re exessive use of question marks demands it.
you spelled “you” wrong
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sonofabitch I spelled excessive wrong.
I hate internet shorthand is what I was getting at
"He should be wearing a Sens sweater" - describing someone acting less than sane or competent. Use it.
I hate internet shorthand is what I was getting at
Amen.
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I knwo we all hate The Sun
However, Lance Hornby should be ashamed and embarrassed for making claims like this:
Phaneuf’s game winner was the first by a Leaf captain since Mats Sundin in 2007-08.
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Reminds me of the “Carey Price winless at Bell Centre” clock.
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by The '67 Sound on Mar 17, 2011 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions
But that was funny because WE were trolling HABS fans.
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EXACTLY
Not a LEAFS reporter
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I’m almost positive 50% of Leafs reporters are Habs fans that get off on trolling the fanbase.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions
cough Greg Brady cough
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My mistake, he is a Wings fan
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Unless you grew up in Detroit (which I don’t know, maybe Greg Brady did), being a Wings fan is such a cop-out. I have a buddy who was born and raised here in Ontario, loves the Wings and hates the Leafs. He gets called out on it incessantly whenever he tries to get smug about hockey with me.
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Brady’s from Detroit I think.
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I think London or something like that. However he worked in Detroit I know that. Either way he is a terrible radio guy. He trolls and is awful. That comment about MGK yesterday was awful
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Once you hit London, Ontario they start to creep into the culture.
Winning for a couple decades will do that.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Coincidentally, Rob Pizzzo got called out for exatly this by Wyshynski on Puck Daddy Radio this week, and it was awesome
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Elaborate please
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Pretty much exactly what lucc described above.
Pizzo’s a Toronto boy who became a Wings fan basically because he wanted to be different from all the other kids he grew up. Wysh called him out that that was bullshit.
More importantly, why aren’t you listening to Puck Daddy Radio?
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I dunno, I just never really listened to it. I should start I’m assuming
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I liked it a lot to start but I think it’s falling into daily-sports-radio-itis
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Mar 17, 2011 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
I really enjoy it. Pizzo and Wysh have a really good dynamic.
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Nothing wrong with being fans of those players, hell I’m a huge fan of both. I just don’t get people claiming allegiance to a team with which they have no actual relation.
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 17, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
was he raised
in Windsor? That’s close enough for me to think someone could be a Wing’s fan.
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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s sort of my point—we did it knowingly and with a wink and a smile. And this is a fan-based blog for chrissakes, we were tweaking our rivals. For a MSM member to do it unironically to his own audience is indefensible.
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by The '67 Sound on Mar 17, 2011 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Geez, almost like he’s been the first captain since Mats in 2007-08…..
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by SkinnyFish on Mar 17, 2011 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
Don’t you get in the way of things with your facts and figures.
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by Bower Power on Mar 17, 2011 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Luckily no one I know gives a shit what that guy has to say, so no problem.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Luca Caputi skating back on a regular line with Colborne & Scott. No Marcel Mueller. #Marlies
#freeluca
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Torn stomach muscle or something liek that
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BTW, no love for the JLupul twitter comments last night in the FTB today? They were outstanding.
@JLupul: I would encourage the league to look at the blindside elbow the ref hit me w/ today. There is no room for that in our game lol. #3gamesusy
@JLupul: Let’s all protest in front of ACC…
I was laughing pretty hard last night.
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I almost spit my drink out I was laughing so hard
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by thenumber14 on Mar 17, 2011 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh yeah
He was killing me.
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@JLupul: Let’s all protest in front of ACC…
Gotta love this guy… this is a total rip on the Habs and their fans…. Gotta love it.
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Twitter can be a powerful thing…
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I know it's in NHL 11
But how badass would the song “howlin for you” by the Black Keys be as a leafs goal song.
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Dean Blundell show actually did up a sample of one. It’s pretty badass.
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yeah, i think it would be sick to have like, the ACC goal horn, then a couple bars of the drum beat, then break into the “da da da da dah’s” then close out with the guitar riff.
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by thenumber14 on Mar 17, 2011 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions
I definitely didn’t heard that but holy hell I want to.
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by thenumber14 on Mar 17, 2011 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
They finally got rid of Zombie Nation and replaced it with a more heavy rock track, which is a hell of a lot better. No idea what it’s called though.
The one thing they need to do is hire someone who is going to lay on that fucking goal horn a bit longer. When the Leafs score it’s like “squeak” and done. Look at every other building in the league, when the home team scores it’s like “BBBBWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNGGGGGGGGGGG….
BBBBWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNGGGGGGGGGGG…
BWAAAAAA BWAAAAAA BWAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNGGGGG” (onomatopoeia with goal horns is hard)
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I’m a fan of the one long horn followed by short horn bursts counting out the number of goals scored. Hysterical for those rare 9-3 where shit goes crazy.
Back in Toledo, for Walleye ECHL games. After they announce the goal, the announcer comes on and says “Hey T-Town, let’sssss count ’em up.” To which they reply “1, 2, 3 WE WANT MORE! WE WANT MORE! WE WANT MORE!”
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That’s cool.
I like our horn though. It’s a good length and then the song starts and I am 99.9% sure we’ve talked about the goal song but it’s a Zombie Nation remix.
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I dont think it is. It sounds nothing like it
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sounds like metallica enter sandman with go leafs go mixed in
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by Matt_Roberts on Mar 17, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Atlanta does those short horn bursts for every goal.
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by Evening News Team on Mar 17, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
That is annoying.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
To away fans, so that’s great.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Mar 17, 2011 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Similar to the Victoria Grizzlies in the BCHL. They have the Rangers goal song (with ‘Grizzlies’ subbed for ‘Rangers’) and then the chant for the first goal: “1! 2 ON THE WAY!” and so on for each goal scored after.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Mar 17, 2011 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Really?
I hate long goal horns.
Washington is the worst they have teh goal horn and a siren.
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Personally, it doesn’t make a difference. Thats just me
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The siren is a gimmick because no one cared about the Caps 6 years ago. Sirens are kewl1 Also it makes the fans feel more comfortable because that’s all you hear walking around downtown Washington.
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I do like the “win at home” song.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
HEAVE AWAY
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the band is called the fables
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It’s one of those songs I recognize and sing along to but never spent the time to learn the name or the band haha
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Now you know
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nooo
thats one of the main reasons why i hate the islanders.
they piss me off with that.
the Leafs are wayy classier than that.
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I think there are teams out there that make good use of their goal horn while still keeping it classy. It has to be used in context. Opening goal of the game? Keep it modest. Overtime winner? Have at it. I definitely don’t condone something like Washington’s ambulance or Montreal’s car accident simulator.
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Have you seen the music video? So badass.
Also, the Red Wings use it for a pre-game video intro already. But, this is no surprise, since their intros are always pretty badass.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Mar 17, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ve made this case before, but i want some team (really any team) to use “Cochise” by Audioslave.
Greatest arena entrance song nobody uses.
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Such a bad ass song
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Throw the switch on the lights.
The guitar riff starts up.
Spotlights flying around the arena.
The drums start up. Video on the screen.
Andy Frost screaming “Laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaadeis and gentleman! Yoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooour Toronttoooooooooooooooo Maple LEaaaaaaaaaaaaaaafs!”
Then the first verse starts up, the lights come up, and the Leafs come out on the ice?
Fucking goosebumps.
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I wrote about Jibblescribbits’ draft valuations last night.
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Did anyone else read about that Manitoba Junior League playoff game?
86 games in suspensions handed out
Swan Valley forward Jesse Enns received the longest suspension – 40 games – for a hit from behind with just three seconds left in the Terriers 4-1 series-clinching victory.
Stampeders assistant coach Dallas Anderson and Terriers assistant coach Jim Tkachyk each received 22-game suspensions after fighting in the players’ benches after the game. Anderson and Tkachyk were also fined $1,500 each for their actions.
Swan Valley head coach Dwayne Kirkup was also suspended – two games – and fined $1,000 for receiving a gross misconduct penalty and not having proper control of his players on the bench.
Holy chaos.
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They had a video on SportsCentre.
The guy came full speed from at least the blue line to hit the guy from behind. Fucking brutal.
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Wow. I was thinking, “I’m surprised there wasn’t any fights after that hit” and then the coaches go at it. Crazy.
Leaf fan in Edmonton.
“just another Francois Allaire goalie”
Yeah. Just another multi-Cup winning, Veinza winning netminder. He’s just another Conn Smythe winner. Or just another goalie that has been good enough to carry the Ducks the season. Just another Francois Allaire goaltender.
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Worst
I want just another Steve McKichan goalie.
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Yeah I deserved that. That was over and above, and very offensive, also against my better judgement. I shall mind my manners in the future.
It's a knife, for God's sake. What's you used to keep you fork company for all these years? The sharp side, the blunt side. What do you want, a lesson?
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Cup
Cup
Duck
"He should be wearing a Sens sweater" - describing someone acting less than sane or competent. Use it.
Toskala
Gustavsson
… am I doing this right?
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
And yes I realize Toskala never learned to adapt to Allaire’s mentoring, and Gustavsson has a slightly different style…. I still haven’t given up on Gus.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, it’s not that Toskala didn’t adapt it’s that he didn’t even use it.
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Toskala doesn’t even know what goaltending is.
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by blindfolded tank driver on Mar 17, 2011 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
They were goaltenders who played with Allaire, not “Allaire goalies.” It’s a reference to people who play with his style of play (heavy butterfly, positional blocking), not just a list of people who have met him.
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by Bower Power on Mar 17, 2011 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Ya I know, I was just being an ass.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I saw your followup post right after I posted this, but I’m glad it’s up there just to clarify.
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by Bower Power on Mar 17, 2011 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
But it brings up an interesting point… are there any Allaire-style goales that went on to really shit the bed? Or never made the show at all? There’s got to be a few.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m sure there are a ton – guys who don’t have their angles down flawlessly will get chewed up if they try to roll with an Allaire setup.
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by Bower Power on Mar 17, 2011 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
It's almost impossible to find
Nobody writes about the failures.
I did find this nice little writeup on Allaire over at Anaheim’s Calling though. I like this summary at the end:
It’s difficult to quantify his contributions to the franchise. Particularly noteworthy is the fact that the team had only two major starters in Allaire’s 13 years, and neither was a superstar when they began working with him. In fact, despite the vast difference in their draft position, both Giguere (1st Round by Hartford) and Hebert (8th Round by St. Louis) were having trouble transitioning to the NHL when they came to the Ducks. Still, they became solid starters that outlasted the few goaltending Draft selections that Anaheim made. It seems absurd, but for Anaheim, the post of Goaltending Consultant carried the following job description: “Scout young talent in every corner of the world so we don’t have to use high draft picks on goaltending, recruit free agent talent that looked up to you because they learned the position at one of your many camps, develop talent quickly and create dependable starters and backups out of whatever we give you and squeeze dominant playoff performances out of goaltenders who have never seen the postseason before.”
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
The interesting thing to me, though, is the more I think about the Reimer/Gustavsson situation, the less I think that angles can be taught effectively at the NHL level.
But additionally, when do you stop being a “mentee” of your goalie coach? Is Bryzgalov technically an Allaire goaltender?
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by Bower Power on Mar 17, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
don't forget
David Aebischer and Peter Budaj!!
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- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
GREAT WIN LAST NIGHT !
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by FLYERROB on Mar 17, 2011 11:45 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Hey now, Leafs fans don’t hit women. They only do that in Philly!
Kidding, I know what you meant :)
Leaf fan in Edmonton.
Can of worms
Dangerously close to opening it, you are.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
The fallout was unreal.
Best not to touch it with a 10 foot pole.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Unreal is a good way of putting it.
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We
should just back away from this thread slowly… and go back to a different one.
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok Tag It, Wax it, Laying the big Pipe, Tearing it up, Bang It, Screw it, Sticking it, making her walk like she just rode a Harley Davidson over a bad potholed filled country road for 5 hours straight, .. Whatevea ! You get my Point
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Im all over it like a fat kid on cake ....
Or like a FAT Girl on BILL CLINTON YO !

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Good News: No Vokoun. Bad News: CLEMMENSEN!!!! (*Shakes fist in the air)
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J.s giguere vs scott clemmensen tonight in florida
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Just have to hope it’s the Clemmensen from Feb. 1. 4-3 shootout loss with a .880 save %
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by Evening News Team on Mar 17, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
He’s the one that started the playoff absence streak, right?
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Florida will ice roster that includes 10 players recently summoned from AHL
Everything about this eerily screams ‘game that should be an easy win, so it’ll end up being a bad loss.’ I really hope it’s not true.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Mar 17, 2011 12:04 PM EDT reply actions
I’m actually more scared about this one than I was the CAR one. Those AHLers will be playing for roster spots next year. I sense an entire team with the eagerness of Darryl Boyce.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
A week ago, I said to myself “the Leafs will probably life our spirits with a huge win against Carolina, and then proceed to lay an egg against Florida.”
The prophecy has become half true so far. I’m scurred.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Mar 17, 2011 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Keep in mind Florida was icing an AHL team before they called up 10 players.
On the Mike Weber bandwagon (Stupid penalties and all!)
Rob Niedermayer scored a goal. Your argument is invalid.
Playing down to a team can be a dangerous thing…
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
they really aren't that weak
they’ve got Weiss, Booth, Matthias, Skille, Samsonov, Bergfors…. Samsonov has 5 points in 8 games, and Bergfors has 4.
Wideman, Kulikov, Allen, and Ellerby still on D… and Vokoun in net… we shouldn’t be taking them lightly at all.
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
HennyTweets
J.s giguere vs scott clemmensen tonight in florida
Also, didn’t they trade both Wideman and Kulikov before the deadline?
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d almost rather Vokoun started than Clemmensen. He clearly cannot be trusted.
by Self Destructive Zones on Mar 17, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
oh shit
wideman went to Washington… forgot that… but Kulikov is still on Fla I believe
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions
You’re right, I was thinking of Frolik.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Wideman and Allen are gone
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allen too?
jebus… ok maybe their D is swiss cheese then.
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions
who are their top 6 D now?
Kulikov and Ellerby… and who else?
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions
ok looked it up
should have done that sooner
Anyway… Kulikov is playing the most minutes, followed by Mike Weaver, Jason Garrison, Joe Callahan, Keaton Ellerby, and Clay Wilson. They’re very young and inexperienced.
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
http://www.nhl.com/scores/htmlreports/20102011/ES021047.HTM
from Tuesday vs Flyers
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yep
that’s where I looked… thanks though.
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Weiss
has 3 goals and 3 assists in his last 8 games since the deadline, Booth has 4 goals and 2 assists…
They’re not exactly not scoring.
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
The counterpoint is
They’ve lost 6 of 8 in March, and 9 of 13 in February.
They’re not exactly not losing either.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Jus tsaw the videos from Jake Gardiner and WIll Acton
Gardiner looks like Mikey from Recess and is 100x more Awkward then Phil and Will Acton looks like a rat. a greasy drowned rat.
Dion Phaneuf: turning the tunes up since '10
the resemblance is uncanny.
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by thenumber14 on Mar 17, 2011 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Unless there’s someone available that Burke really wants, and/or Wilson actually wants to step down. Otherwise it’s hard to argue with his progress since the beginning of 2011.
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He's "supposed" to be good with younger players too, right? (from what I've read, no fact supporting - sorry)
Well you couldn’t ask for a better chance to make your mark on young players than right now.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I think you can look at a lot of the players’ development and say that Wilson must be doing something right with the kids or he’s super lucky.
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Well
I don’t think he’s done anything right or wrong with the goalies particularly, but I think he needs to do some more work on the defensive side of things.
The number of shots against is creeping up again… and his systems defensively don’t seem so stellar to me now that the age of the D has dropped.
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
He has done the “right” thing and gone with Reimer night-in night-out giving the Leafs the best chance to win… but actual development of the goalie skills… nah that’s for Allaire.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions
What are you noticing that’s different?
We’re playing with the lead more since Reimer arrived. That would partially explain the increase in shots.
And Chances Against haven’t increased proportionately with the increase in Shots Against? Meaning opposition is mainly adding low-success rate shots instead of waltzing into high-scoring areas.
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Which may be increasing Reimer’s sv % more than, say, Giguere or Gustavsson.
More shots, but not (proportionally) more chances = sv % goes up
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
TSN reports Pacioretty will be able to resume training, with contact, in 3-5 weeks. Good to hear he’s recovering well.
by Self Destructive Zones on Mar 17, 2011 1:32 PM EDT reply actions
Whew
but it seems pretty early afterwards to make such a timeline.
Makes you worry more about Crosby, who has been given no such timeline.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah that is troubling. Particularly so when a lot of the initial outlook for Pacioretty was so grim.
by Self Destructive Zones on Mar 17, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
But from what I’ve read Pacioretty’s said he isn’t suffering any serious concussion symptoms. So it could be he basically just has to wait for the fracture to heal up. Crosby’s problem on the other hand is definitely post-concussion, which from my understanding can be a very slippery, lingering thing to deal with and not really given to “you’ll be out for 6 weeks” type of diagnosis. It’s encouraging to see that he’s started light training again though. Hopefully neither of them will try to rush things out of frustration or pressure to get back for the playoffs.
also, the pens are being super extra mega crazy extra cautious too, since it’s crosby, if it was just some plug, he’d probably be back already
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 17, 2011 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Sad but true.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 17, 2011 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Wouldn’t you be? They’ve got to think about the next 20 years for Crosby, not just the remainder of the season.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
oh I don’t blame them, it’s just sad that everyone doesnt get that treatment when their long term health is involved
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 17, 2011 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Took me so long to Z to the bottom of this, man you’re chatty today.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 17, 2011 1:36 PM EDT reply actions
Shift-A
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Mar 17, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
As a member of this blog and actual Leafs fan I feel it necessary to read what other people say as opposed to troll about the Bruins and Wild.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 17, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
He knows what he did.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 17, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I dunno, I’ve been getting a lot of troll comments lately. I don’t think I’m trolling any more than I ever was. Is this just a fun meme or are you guys getting burned out and turn on the outsider or what?
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Mar 17, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I think its because I started calling you it.
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I think that counts as “fun meme,” then. I’ll ignore it, carry on.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Mar 17, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Fun meme. Wernstrom!
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 17, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I also never saw you actively rooting against the Leafs until TBL game either. Just the usual tongue-and-cheek “I love Toskala as a goalie” comments.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
But I did that over at Raw Charge and because I was actually rooting for Tampa. Hard to hate on St. Louis, Stamkos, Ritola….
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Mar 17, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
OK Guys enough with calling him a troll. I did it as a joke a few times. Give it a rest. COrny is a good dude.
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sympathizer
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Mar 17, 2011 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Well played
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You mean, CorneLOLius?
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 17, 2011 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Copy cat
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There was a delay in posting the comment, like when soccer players are touched and then fall down.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 17, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
failed joke
/smug
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 17, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Corny isn’t italian
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Mar 17, 2011 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
It still hurt, right here.
/points to my soul.
I’m obviously just busting your balls.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
With regards to the above conversation where PPP is being compared to Hoglund,
It’s funny, because I was just pondering the other day which of the current Leafs my own play is most similar to. It should go without saying that I’m only thinking about style of play, and not level of play, but I feel I need to point out that out just to be clear.
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The funny thing is,
I’ve never been a big Kessel fan. I mean, he scores 30 goals a season for the Toronto Maple Leafs, so really, I’m a gigantic Kessel fan, but he’ll probably never hold the same place in my heart that a lot of our former goalscorers did.
But I realized that of all the Leafs, that’s how I played the game. Very similar style of play. It made me like him just a little bit more.
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When I was young
(and I mean like 16 years old), my parents never had the money or time to let me play for the local AAA team, so I wound up playing on some teams where I was easily one of the best players.
As I was packing up for Vietnam, I stumbled across an old sheet of paper on which the coaches (of what I think was a house league team – so nothing to actually brag about) had tabulated everyone’s scoring totals for the year. In something like 40 games, I had 50 goals, and 9 assists.
So now I’m curious. Who do you play like?
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I have never played hockey before and can barely skate, so somewhere above Lebda and Komisarek but below Shoestorm.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 17, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Brown/Crabb/Boyce – full on dump and chaser, use my size, try to stand in front and occasionally out of nowhere a little skill emerges. Occasionally.
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by blindfolded tank driver on Mar 17, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
4th line should equal
Heart + Cheap + Not defensive liabilities. That’s it.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I think having a fourth line that can play more than 4-5 minutes a night is also pretty key.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 17, 2011 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Any 4th line CAN play more than that, but should they?
Not if you have better options on lines 1-3.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Well I mean it keeps you top players rested and you don’t have to shorten the bench late in the game.
Does anyone have the shift length stats from last night, seems like they were taking short short shifts.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 17, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Ya obviously they should play to keep the scorers rested, but expecting significant point production from 4th lines is meaningless.
I think there was a post last year here on PPP (I did a search, couldn’t find it) that 4th lines, regardless of team or year, provide statistically insignificant production to games.
That of course doesn’t include non-point production benefits, i.e. PK time, faceoff %s, physicality, forecheck, etc.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
They become important in games where the teams’ top lines effectively neutralize each other, or if they score at the same pace. If your backup guys are better than their back up guys, that’s a decided advantage.
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by T is for Truculence on Mar 17, 2011 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
If your backup guys are better than their back up guys, that’s a decided advantage
While that sounds logical and correct, I really don’t know if that’s true in a “statistically significant” way. Cheapness should dominate in aggregate on the 4th line and spend the cap space on more value-added assets. My opinion anyway.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I blame it on the salary cap. Parity is for losers
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by T is for Truculence on Mar 17, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess I'm thinking mostly by example
As a player, would I rather have Manny Malhotra ($2.5M) over Tim Brent ($0.5M)? Yes.
Would I rather have Tim Brent and spend the extra $2M on a Top line fwd? Yes.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Malholtra is a guy that contenders can have the luxury of overpaying for.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 17, 2011 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Vancouver would be over the salary cap if it hadn’t had so many injuries on defense, so if that hadn’t happened they would have had to make a hard choice to dump salary during the year.
A cheap 4th line gives flexibility.
Ya we’re not really arguing, I’m thinking mostly for the Leafs – Brent, Boyce, Brown is exactly the type of cheap, 4th line guys I think we need.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually it’s impossible for them to be over the salary cap because of IR or LTIR because you can only replace, not exceed.
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/semantic'd
Yes, I did mean that if all their players were healthy, they would have salaries of their roster players that would have exceeded the limit.
However, they were able to use the LTIR to replace the salaries of the d-men who were called up to replace Salo, etc.
Had Salo not been injured near the start of the season and their entire roster was healthy they would have needed to demote a player or move a body.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Had Salo not been injured near the start of the season and their entire roster was healthy they would have needed to demote a player or move a body.
Well duh. They’re carrying 10 defensemen right now because of injuries. They absolutely wouldn’t do that if they were all healthy, nor could they based on roster limits.
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Right, I don’t expect them to put up points, but I also expect them to not give up too many goals.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 17, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m Luke Schenn all the way. Would be more like him if they allowed checking in my men’s league.
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Nameless 5/6th d-man who hits, shot blocks, slides and is shit offensively
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To be honest about myself, though
I probably scored half my goals on breakaways. Floater. I knew I was faster than anyone in the league, and I’d just pester the hell out of any D-man I could find until he coughed up a puck and I was off to the races.
I’ve never had a laser of a shot (my wrister’s not bad), but I had a pretty good backhand.
Also, I was way too small to play anything but wing, and later on, as lots of kids had late growth spurts, I started to get freight trained more and more.
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I’m 25 and I had a growth spurt last year. Mind you it was a shoulders/chest one, but I added an inch onto my height.
It’s all downhill from here.
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and tahts in ball hockey, I dont play ice hockey.
When my friends and I played, I just sat back and played D. If it was a 1 on 1, I put my forearm into their chest and drove them wide.
Only equipment was shin pads and gloves
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I only play ball hackey as well. damn lithuanian dad making me play basketball instead of hockey.
When I do play, I’m the low-skill annoying 3rd/4th line grinder. I’ll occasionally make a nice play, but most of the time I’m just trying to out-hustle my fat friends. Mike Brown-ish maybe?
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2 things:
I have only ever met one lithuanian person, this girl I went on one date with
damnlithuanianitalian dad making me playbasketballsoccer instead of hockey.
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I play like Colby Armstrong, good on the boards, stands in front of the net and bangs in rebounds, Has a somewhat okay shot.
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MacArthur, random fancy moves, prone to spazing out and beating the hell out of people
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 17, 2011 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
YOU SPAZ OUT NO WAY
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so with all the falling down, i guess that makes you armstrong?
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 17, 2011 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I hate you
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Like a full right poor, poor man’s Pekka Rinne. Very active hands, 6’3" so no slouch in size.
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From Bozak on Twitter:
Bozie42 Tyler Bozak
Happy St Paddys day everyone! Hope your all enjoying the day and havin a couple green beers!
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Green beer is for Frat Boys, Irish Car Bombs is where it’s at.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 17, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Both are great and horrible in different ways.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s funny you say that, because I was just going to make a comment how this tweet sounds like a frat boy’s. But a lot of guys who play hockey just sound like frat boys all the time anyway.
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dude, I scrolled through the gameday thread before bed yesterday. your all caps were killing me. happy bday.
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I once saw him pry a baby raccoon off a tree with his bare hands.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 17, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
We also once picked up a snake from the ground walking home from a party one night, good times.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 17, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, we’ve been pretty fortunate in our drunken encounters with wildlife.
Oh, you better believe that's a paddling.
Also
I still have the drunk podcast we attempted a while back. I’ve never listened to it.
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Man it must be just terrible.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 17, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ve briefly considered posting it here just for humor’s sake, but it’d take some heavy editing just to bring it into the realm of comprehensible.
I think most of it’s about when we’re going to trade Tomas Kaberle.
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And a running list of what we had to drink that night.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 17, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I love that this is a plural
I dunno if I’d risk getting plastered in Vietnam. The fauna’s…decidedly more exotic (read: unpredictable) isn’t it?
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by T is for Truculence on Mar 17, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, I suppose
But I’m in Hanoi Rock City. The only animals that can survive in this city are rats and humongous bugs.
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Are you going to see Dylan in Ho Chi Min City?
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 17, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Probably not.
Saw him once already, and it was probably the worst thing I’ve ever seen.
But who knows, it’s really cheap to take a train down to HCMC.
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Yeah, just seems like HOLY SHIT BOB DYLAN IS PLAYING IN VIETNAM you should probably be there.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 17, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
The Backstreet Boys are coming to Hanoi
Tickets are like $10.
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1970 America just had its mind blown.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 17, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks, daousty.
It was pretty damn good evening, I’ve got to say.
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This is very true, I feel like I would probably hate most hockey players if I knew them on a personal level.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 17, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
It would be an incredible night to get wasted with a lot of the young players on the Leafs – many of whom are right around our ages – but I think to sit down and be forced to have a conversation with a lot of them about something that wasn’t hockey would probably be painful.
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Right.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 17, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I wonder if Bozak, Stalberg and Hanson miss the Frat Pack.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Bozak’s 24, has lots of money, is a part of a team for which being a member is probably something like being in a frat, and he’s from the middle of nowhere in Saskatchewan. He probably loves swilling Coors and saying “fuckin’ eh” every ten seconds.
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Zigomanis' twitter
mikezigomanis:
bozie,, if he stands on his wallet RT @Ruhana_ who do you think is taller @jlupul or @mikezigomanis or @Bozie42
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I bet he enjoys getting into every club on Richmond
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by T is for Truculence on Mar 17, 2011 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Haha Madison was great times in University
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
From Brent on Twitter
Brenter37 Tim Brent
Someone have a couple green beers for us, and we will work on a couple points for all of us tonight in FLA! Happy St. Paddys Day! Cheers!
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Looks like the boys are in a good mood. Hopefully good mood transfers into good hockey*.
*I have no stats to prove that this is true.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
winning
does breed confidence and confidence should breed more success… as long as it’s followed by effort and execution rather than resting on one’s laurels.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions
In other news, my work bought us a ton of beers for the end of day. goodbye productivity.
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So it’s exactly like Mad Men then?
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 17, 2011 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
everything
about Mad Men is 100% reality except they smoke in offices less now.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Gods among men.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 17, 2011 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I should have went to that field. I love to smoke and drink
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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That sounds awesome!
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 17, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
They all have nice hats though.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 17, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
A guy
recommended that movie to me very firmly last Saturday… I do not know the guy who made the recommendation in the slightest… and I don’t see any reason to respect his opinion… but he loved it.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Judging by the trailer alone
That movie looks totally stupid. That said, I don’t like that many movies.
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Pretty much, my works even comes complete with a rooftop patio.
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I’m in the wrong field.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 17, 2011 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Just sayin

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 17, 2011 3:22 PM EDT reply actions
I’m going to go ahead and steal this.
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by T is for Truculence on Mar 17, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Please do.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 17, 2011 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
me too
This is awesome
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by Leafs_fan_in_Van on Mar 17, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
To be fair I stole it from I love Charts on Tumblr, which is also awesome.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 17, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Fuck you that’s how discussions are carried out. I have my own method for discussions and will continue to follow it blindly.
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Can you envision anything that will change your mind on this topic?
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 17, 2011 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
All signs point to no
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by T is for Truculence on Mar 17, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Consult the flowchart.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 17, 2011 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
in reference to the flowchart
why is it that I’m the one verifying things one way or another…
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Beats me, I just saw it in my Tumblr feed and thought it was useful.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 17, 2011 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
it is
and I’m glad we can have this rational discussion about it…
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- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Sure can!
I wasn’t involved in the earlier discussion but it seems like your skepticism came off as being more dismissive than you intended.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 17, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
yes well
people take things personally… c’est la vie.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
This is also part of the problem.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 17, 2011 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
rather than take it personally
I just went and surfed through play-by-play logs to get some information to back up one side or another. Pissing contests without concrete info don’t get us far is something I think I’m going to keep working at preventing.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Would love to see the numbers.
Also hasn’t Phaneuf himself said he isn’t doing anything differently?
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 17, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
yes
repeatedly… and I just explained some of it below.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
the first couple years after the lockout, Mats used to say things like ’we’re going to be a pretty hard team to beat’ , even though he knew the team was shit and it wasn’t true.
I put virtually no stock in what athletes say in an interview.
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that's fine
but if the stats match what he’s saying I’m not sure why we’d disbelieve him.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok
Early results of my 30 minute exploration into Phaneuf’s recent offensive play.
In the last 25 games, he has fired 85 Slap Shot attempts, and 83 Wrist/Snap Shot attempts.
The Slap Shots have been on net or blocked a total of 60 times, the Wrister/Snap shots have been on net or blocked 71 times.
He misses the net less with the Wrist/Snap shot obviously, but it doesn’t seem like he’s consistent game to game… overall I’ll acknowledge he IS using his wrist shot more, but in some games he gets slap happy and goes nuts… to wit in the 3-0 loss to Montreal, he fired 7 slap shots, and 1 wrist shot. The last time we beat the Isles he fired 6 slap shots and 2 wrist/snap shots. He’s improving… finding more balance.
I’ll acknowledge now that I’ve actually seen the information over the longer term that he is shifting his attempts… and he’s missing the net less often as a result which is good. He still gets his shot blocked a lot though… his wrister/snap shot gets blocked at almost exactly the same frequency as it hits the net.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
ok I'm going to have to revise this
My logic was a bit flawed… I’m just assuming on the basis of the last 25 games and the even values that he’s using his wrist/snap shot more than he was before.
Unfortunately using the season data from BtN on shot type, that doesn’t make sense. If he was even recently, but had way more slap shots earlier in the season, then the numbers should still have the shift towards slap shots… but they don’t.
That means he isn’t significantly changing what types of shots he’s taking… using that information.
I’m going to scour his whole season and get the full picture, but at this point I don’t think his game has shifted that noticeably.
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- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Have you considered doing this kind of research before telling people – in all caps– that something they think they have observed is definitively not happening?
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yep
I have… and part of the reason I don’t is I’m lazy at times.
I’m not trying to offend people, but I seriously haven’t seen a major shift in his game, and I’m the one doing the work to look it up and prove things one way or another… so far it’s not shifting drastically one way or another… but i’m only through 25 games… I’ll have it done before tonight’s game.
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- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
And I respect you for doing all that legwork.
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by T is for Truculence on Mar 17, 2011 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Also, unless they keep data on shot speed, there will be no way to verify my (and others) claim that he seems to be taking a bit off his slapshot more regularly than he did in the first half of the season.
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Or we somehow incorporate the speedometers they have in the EA games
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by T is for Truculence on Mar 17, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
So useful.
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by T is for Truculence on Mar 17, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
If you
can tell the difference between a 95 mph slap shot and an 85 mph slap shot you are a human radar gun… or perhaps you play baseball at a high level.
I can’t see a significant difference myself at full speed on TV watching a game… but that’s just me.
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
That or he has the glow puck technology from the 90s. (As skinny just mentioned)
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 17, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
only on his TV?
unlikely.
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I fully admit that it’s impossible to verify, but to me, it seems like there have been less high and wide screamers the last 20-25 games. The only reason I can assume that is happening is that he has changed something about the way he is shooting, most likely how hard he is shooting. It does not seem reasonable to assume that he is using the exact same strength and technique, but somehow, magically, the physical response of the puck to the stick changed and they are now less errant.
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In the last 25 games
he’s fired 85 slap shots on goal… and he’s missed the net with 25 of them, or had them blocked 25 times… he’s only hit the net with 35… I don’t know that that’s a huge improvement, but I don’t think it is particularly.
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Missing the net low and 6 inches wide is different than missing it ponikarovsky-style 3ft high and wide.
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Sometimes players aim wide of the net…
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They only say that when it results in a goal, naturally
“Oh that? I meant to do that.”
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by T is for Truculence on Mar 17, 2011 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Plus I think once a player scores a few goals people tend to ease up on them a little and don’t notice the flaws as much as they do when they’re struggling.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 17, 2011 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
ok
I’m going to finish going through the full season of Phaneuf’s games and see what trends are observable… if I have time I’ll even go back and include his games from last year… but till then I’m going to put my half of the debate on hiatus.
I’d rather just know at this point.
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
From jonas 640
Jonas Gustavsson expected to serve as the back-up to J.S. Giguere tonight. First start for Giguere since February 16th.
GOOOD!
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I'd rather see those reversed
and Giguere hasn’t looked that great since he’s come back.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Giguere saturday? eh? eh?
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Mar 17, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
doubt it
but who knows.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
NO
It’s Reim-time vs. either Thomas-time or Tuukka-time.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Mike Komisarek unlikely to go tonight with lower-body injury. If he’s out, Brett Lebda would take his place.
Jonas Siegel
I rather this did not happen
Pretty sure you’d be hard pressed to find anyone to disagree with you on that one
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by Leafs_fan_in_Van on Mar 17, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Well Lashoff can’t replace two players.
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by T is for Truculence on Mar 17, 2011 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions
He just has to replace Komi and Lebda. That’s like replacing half a defenseman.
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We’re down to one or two remaining call ups, and the Marlies may be going to the playoffs. It’s easier to play Lebda.
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I think
we’re down to 1.
We burned one when we demoted Aulie to get him on the Clear-Day roster for the Marlies didn’t we?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
that'd mean
Aulie, Kadri, Lashoff… we’ve got 1 left.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
and on the basis of our injury/D woes
I’d call up Gysbers or Holzer … and hope to survive the end of the year.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Gardiner straight to the NHL. DO IT.
20 miles to Legoland!
by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions
that’s my understanding as well. We used one on Aulie.
by Nigel Cadbury on Mar 17, 2011 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions
No because there is a 4 call up limit now.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 17, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions

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