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Pretty tired today, so I'm just going to skip the foreplay and get right to the links. Jeff Blair's article in the Globe and Mail kicks things off with an interesting side story about Reimer:

The way the story goes, Reimer heard through the "grapevine" that somebody (maybe with the Tampa Bay Lightning) had told somebody with the Hurricanes that he was "just another Francois Allaire goalie" or words to that effect.

"To say something like that … it gives you extra motivation," said Reimer, who was pulled after allowing five goals in a 6-2 loss to the Lightning on Monday. "It’s all part of the game, trash-talking. But to minimize what he’s done, I mean, he’s a great coach. Just look at his track record."

Jump for more good stuff from the Globe, Behind the Net, and all the usual suspects.

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Leaf Links:

Phaneuf, Leafs Live To Fight Another Day
Jonas Siegel with some quotes and a recap.

Nonis, Blake to oversee Team Canada
Hockey Canada announces Maple Leafs executive will be joined by former NHL defenceman for Canada's world hockey championship contingent in Slovakia next month. Story from Chris Johnston at the Globe and Mail.

Phaneuf's big night triggers hope - and some great Maple Leaf playoff memories
Michael Langlois over at VLM gets a little wistful, remembering the days when 'playoff hope' was a more regular occurrence.

Post Game Thoughts – Leafs vs. Canes
From Jeffler at LeafsHQ.

Douggie's Milk Commercial
Karina at Frivolous Ornamentation with the link.

Other Hockey Links:

The League of Extraordinary Statisticians: The Defensemen - Behind The Net
Another article over at Behind the Net looks at defensive defensemen, and whether they can match the contributions of their offensive-minded counterparts.

Skating Patterns for Duncan Keith and Nicklas Lidstrom
At Behind the Net geoffbok continues to put his iPad to good use.

Shooting Percentage Suppression
Good stuff from Rob Vollman, our third link from Behind the Net.

The value of a draft pick
Jibblescribbits with an interesting attempt to assign value to picks. His system doesn't make the Kessel trade look very good, but then, I don't think it's really an appropriate tool to judge said deal.

NHL's revised concussion protocol to take immediate effect
Excellent, I think, to bump up the stringency of concussion tests, but is this enough?

Wednesday’s Three Stars
Sean Leahy with the latest installment. Dion gets the second star.

NHL suspends Dany Heatley two games for elbow on Steve Ott
He should have been suspended for longer than two games.

 

 

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What a game!

Only nine more wins and we’re in like Flynn

by PhilSpecter on Mar 17, 2011 7:04 AM EDT reply actions  

I find it odd what upsets Reimer

Let in 5 goals, shrug it off.

Shit-talk Allaire-style goalies? Well now you’re in for a goal tending clinic, bitch.

20 miles to Legoland!

by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 7:18 AM EDT reply actions  

I just hope he’s as motivated next time we play TB.

by A Lindros Jaw on Mar 17, 2011 8:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

hey, as long as it works. We may need to hire someone to trash talk him now

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by Leafer87 on Mar 17, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Heh, funny you say that. Mirtle just tweeted:
mirtle‎

If that’s how Reimer plays when he’s angry, Leafs may want to have other teams criticize him more often

20 miles to Legoland!

by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

haha. Great minds and such

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by Leafer87 on Mar 17, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

ok so I will be the first to bring it up

Kadri.
Didn’t really impress last night. Might need a game or two to adjust to the speed of the NHL. He made some better decisions but still made a few of those mistakes that got him a trip back to the AHL

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by leafer1984 on Mar 17, 2011 7:31 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Completely agree

I avoided the topic after the win because I don’t like to be a buzzkill after a great game by Schenn, Phaneuf and Reimer.

But wow, he was mostly invisible when he was on the ice and made a few turnovers in the o-zone that could have been good chances. Only went 33% on faceoffs. I don’t know whether he was nervous or what, but he didn’t have any jump at all.

I think RW benched him for most of the last half of the game once we were protecting a lead, and I’m glad he did. Bozak saw his icetime go up huge after that. At least it’s showing that RW is using Bozak in a more proper (read: defensive) role. He saw a huge amount of PK time.

20 miles to Legoland!

by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 7:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Only 3 shifts in the third for a total of 3:10 out of 12:03 TOI. Oddly he realized he wasn’t getting shifts in the 3rd, so he stayed longer than his 42 second avg. The best I can say is he looked tense during the game, some good things, still needs to settle into the intensity of the NHL and the Leafs current push.

Also Bozak really looks much better in the 3C role. He’s got a NHL level defensive game. Looks comfortable with the lower offensive expectations.

by blindfolded tank driver on Mar 17, 2011 7:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly, too bad he’s being forced to play a 2C (1C? Screw it, semantics).

20 miles to Legoland!

by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 8:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Assumptions, guestimates and magic 8 balls tell me that he’s likely pencilled into the 3C next year. Hopefully if Burke finds a true 1C/2C to slot in before him.

by blindfolded tank driver on Mar 17, 2011 8:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

If only there was a really good #1 C out there and we had the cap space to sign him…. hmmm….

And yes, I realize he likely doesn’t want to come here. Unless we can show that the Leafs can be competitive…. maybe… Or maybe he cares more about earning a mega-contract. He’s really the only high-high-end forward out there on the market this summer… look what happened when Kovalchuk was the only forward to court.

Not saying he’ll want that kind of deal, but a big one… probably.

20 miles to Legoland!

by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 8:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

at this point, I’d be happy, no, over the moon, with a three year deal for our mystery man. $8mil, 7mil and 6mil respectively. That otta be enough, no?

by Kessel'sOversizedSuit on Mar 17, 2011 8:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

He will get 5+ unless he's stupid.

Or if he wants a big 4 year deal, just in time to get one more before he hits candidacy for a 35+ contract when clubs start to be more hesitent handing out big money.

20 miles to Legoland!

by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

let’s pass on that guy.

Chemmy loves Peter Karmanos.

by birky on Mar 17, 2011 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

If he wants what I think he wants in terms of $ and term, Burke won’t even approach him.

20 miles to Legoland!

by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m tearing down the statue right now.

"He should be wearing a Sens sweater" - describing someone acting less than sane or competent. Use it.

by elseldo on Mar 17, 2011 8:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

leaves us more space for a bigger Reimer statue

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by Leafer87 on Mar 17, 2011 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

This might not be related, but I kind of suspect the ice in Carolina was garbage. The puck was bouncing all over the place last night, and there seemed to be a lot of turnovers both ways. This might have neutralized a player like Kadri, whose strength is in his stick handling.

by A Lindros Jaw on Mar 17, 2011 8:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

That may have had the smallest amount to do with it, but he just isn’t playing at NHL speed yet. He likes fine with the Marlies because AHL speed <<<< NHL speed

20 miles to Legoland!

by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 8:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think the ice at the RBC is all that bad. There hasn’t been any basketball in over a week there.

Chemmy loves Peter Karmanos.

by birky on Mar 17, 2011 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Carried his stick at the waist too much. Needs to spend significant time this summer working on his first few steps. Could also move the puck sooner. Not a terrible game though, won a few draws, played about 12 minutes.

Chemmy loves Peter Karmanos.

by birky on Mar 17, 2011 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not terrible, he was just kinda.. there

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by leafer1984 on Mar 17, 2011 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

33% on the draws…. not good enough.

20 miles to Legoland!

by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Especially because the Hurricanes are the worst faceoff team in the NHL.

On the Mike Weber bandwagon (Stupid penalties and all!)
Rob Niedermayer scored a goal. Your argument is invalid.

by Ubiquitous on Mar 17, 2011 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Faceoffs are a focus thing, I’ll chalk it up to first game jitters.

Truculligerestosterugnacity.

by lucc on Mar 17, 2011 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t know if I’d say it’s a “focus” thing, it’s a legitimiate skill required to play hockey, no different than one player being a better shooter, or a better checker.

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by clrkaitken on Mar 17, 2011 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yup and Kadri wasn’t very good at them last year IIRC

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by leafer1984 on Mar 17, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

It does seem to be one of the areas that NHLers can always improve on though, even mid-way through their careers.

20 miles to Legoland!

by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

It’s absoltuely an improvable skill.

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by clrkaitken on Mar 17, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m sure this summer he will spend a lot of hours having pucks dropped in front of him, practicing different techniques. When I say it’s a focus thing, I mean it’s a skill with so many minute details. Having some nerves can hinder success. At this point in his young career there’s no reason to consider it an issue.

Truculligerestosterugnacity.

by lucc on Mar 17, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Because of practice with the kiddies, I didn’t get a chance to watch the game. Who’d he play with for the most part?

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by SkinnyFish on Mar 17, 2011 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bozak and Kessel for a while, then Lupul and Kessel for a while, then bench pretty much the entire 3rd.

20 miles to Legoland!

by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

JP

Did FLYERROB hack into your account on the game thread? You’re posts had significantly higher values of hilarity, awesomeness and capital letters

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by PKSube on Mar 17, 2011 7:51 AM EDT reply actions  

It was his birthday and he was pretty smashed/hilarious.

20 miles to Legoland!

by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 8:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh I knew he was hammered, he just seemed to comment a bit like FLYERROB when he was

"Ironic isn't it, that the very strings I played then are made from the very gut of the animal this song is about" - David McGahan

by PKSube on Mar 17, 2011 8:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah… it was quite the little soirée. People had just left my house at around 6 a.m., which worked out well, given that it was just in time for me to get Gamecenter up and running.

Oh, you better believe that's a paddling.

by JP Nikota on Mar 17, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I mean,

I never had any intention of missing the game, regardless of how out of my mind I was.

Oh, you better believe that's a paddling.

by JP Nikota on Mar 17, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great birthday present from the Leafs.

20 miles to Legoland!

by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Top notch.

Oh, you better believe that's a paddling.

by JP Nikota on Mar 17, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Must. Have. Milk

"Ironic isn't it, that the very strings I played then are made from the very gut of the animal this song is about" - David McGahan

by PKSube on Mar 17, 2011 7:53 AM EDT reply actions  

Any thoughts on Lashoff?

He didn’t look out of place to me, even when you have to figure he picked up extra minutes with Komi out. Can’t ask for much else from a 5th d-man really.

by A Lindros Jaw on Mar 17, 2011 8:16 AM EDT reply actions  

/NotALebda’d

20 miles to Legoland!

by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 8:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not trying to draw comparisons to Aulie, but he reminded me of Aulie’s first game.

Simple, clean, didn’t try to do too much.

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by clrkaitken on Mar 17, 2011 8:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's a very good thing.

My expectations aren’t exactly soaring for a guy that has been passed from team to team and spent most of the year in the minors, but he didn’t make any blatent mistakes that cost us a goal, so he gets a C+ for his first game from me.

20 miles to Legoland!

by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 8:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

it looks like phaneuf, schenn, aulie and gunnar are going to be our big minute guys going forward. all we need is a couple of guys making $1m or less that can play 8-10 minutes and not be complete disasters. if lashoff can be one of them, great.

WE MISS YOU TOMAS

by daoust on Mar 17, 2011 8:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

God I hope Burke agrees for next year.

"[Phil Kessel]'s as streaky as a flipped coin" - Shift

by The '67 Sound on Mar 17, 2011 8:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

/splurt

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by leafer1984 on Mar 17, 2011 8:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Our d would look a lot like it did tonight then, the big 4 playing HUGE minutes, and the other two just filling a few minutes of icetime.

I can’t see burke going into next year without adding at least 1 more UFA dman. Not necessarily a #1-4, but a 5,6 definitely.

20 miles to Legoland!

by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 8:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Aulie and Phaneuf can’t log 26min each night.
Also, Schenn only played 21 min last night. 4th among the Leafs D

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by leafer1984 on Mar 17, 2011 8:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

No reason Gysbers can’t step into that role, right? He’s put together a tidy little season with 7g, 29pts in 50gp. Give the big defensive minutes to Schenn, Aulie, and Phaneuf, and Gysbers should get by just fine.

by A Lindros Jaw on Mar 17, 2011 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’d be fine with a rotation of Lashoff, Gysbers, Holzer, whoever.

Unfortunately they’ll be paired with Komi.

"[Phil Kessel]'s as streaky as a flipped coin" - Shift

by The '67 Sound on Mar 17, 2011 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Komi is ours forever and ever and ever.

20 miles to Legoland!

by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

In a more perfect world, Komi is helping NYI hit the cap floor, and we get a second for him.

by A Lindros Jaw on Mar 17, 2011 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

If they need to hit the cap floor why wouldn’t they just pay for a player who’s actually not terrible?

"[Phil Kessel]'s as streaky as a flipped coin" - Shift

by The '67 Sound on Mar 17, 2011 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

NYI doesn’t do that.

20 miles to Legoland!

by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Wake up, sheep.

20 miles to Legoland!

by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m rather enjoying this dream, thank you.

by A Lindros Jaw on Mar 17, 2011 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

In a more perfect world, Komi is helping NYI hit the cap floor, and we getpay a second for them to take him.

I think it’s a lot easier to get over the floor than under the ceiling. At the very least, we’ll have to bid against other teams for them to take our trash.

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by Oafijev on Mar 17, 2011 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

I still think he picks up a UFA dman. He probably has his eye on a few that are hitting UFA, and Burke loves very specific players.

20 miles to Legoland!

by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Burke Loves signing D-men.

"He should be wearing a Sens sweater" - describing someone acting less than sane or competent. Use it.

by elseldo on Mar 17, 2011 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Everyone needs a hobby.

I collect stamps.

20 miles to Legoland!

by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Drinkin’ is a hobby Bubbs

The Rent Is Too Damn High

by Tickle Me Aulie on Mar 17, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

If he does pick up a UFA dman it better be a pointgetter. To take a bit of pressure off our slightly below-average forward corps next season we need more production from the back end, period.

Truculligerestosterugnacity.

by lucc on Mar 17, 2011 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm sure we'll be seeing these names several times before July 1, but here are the 2011 UFA d-men
Jovanovski, Ed "
Lidstrom, Nicklas "
McCabe, Bryan "
Markov, Andrei "
Hamrlik, Roman "
Hannan, Scott "
Brewer, Eric "
Kaberle, Tomas "
Pitkanen, Joni "
Bieksa, Kevin "
Rivet, Craig "
Salo, Sami "
Wisniewski, James "
Ehrhoff, Christian "
White, Ian "
Staios, Steve "
Wallin, Niclas "
Sopel, Brent "
Vandermeer, Jim "
Gill, Hal "
Hejda, Jan "
Huskins, Kent "
O’Brien, Shane "
Montador, Steve "
Martinek, Radek "
Babchuk, Anton "
Skrastins, Karlis "
O’Donnell, Sean "
Foote, Adam "
Eminger, Steve "
Salei, Ruslan "
Alberts, Andrew "
Jones, Randy "
Bergeron, Marc-Andre "
Lukowich, Brad "
Ericsson, Jonathan "
Lilja, Andreas "
Mara, Paul "
Greene, Andy "
Strudwick, Jason "
Pardy, Adam "
Hale, David "
Woywitka, Jeff "
Collins, Sean "
Sulzer, Alexander "
Oystrick, Nathan "
Meyer, Freddy "
Arsene, Dean "
Roy, Mathieu "
Bagnall, Drew "
Hendry, Jordan "
Harrold, Peter "
Guenin, Nate "
Petiot, Richard "
Yonkman, Nolan "
Baumgartner, Nolan "
Palin, Brett "
Benoit, Andre "
Johnson, Aaron "
Callahan, Joe "
Welch, Noah "
Sifers, Jaime "
Paetsch, Nathan "
Rodney, Bryan "
Davison, Rob "
Meech, Derek "
Sullivan, Sean "
Hnidy, Shane "
Kronwall, Staffan "
Wagner, Steve "
Hutchinson, Andrew "
Boynton, Nick "
Fahey, Brian "
Exelby, Garnet "
Wilson, Clay "
Harrison, Jay "
Cullimore, Jassen "
Potter, Corey "
Leach, Jay "

http://www.capgeek.com/free_agents.php?year_id=2011&team_id=-1&position_id=D&fa_type_id=2

Ehrhoff, Jovanovski and Kaberle being the obvious big names. I wouldn’t be shocked to see Bieksa get an offer from Burke either.

20 miles to Legoland!

by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bieksa is probably the guy we end up signing unless Burke turns one of our 1st round picks into a veteran Dman with a year left on his contract like JML, and my new pipe dream, Brent Burns.

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by SkinnyFish on Mar 17, 2011 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

A trade for an already-signed d-man is very possible if none of these names sound up Burke’s alley, with those 1st round picks available to be dangled as bait.

But frankly that opens up such a huge realm of possibilities that my little mind can’t handle until the offseason.

20 miles to Legoland!

by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

BB: “Hey Cliffy, put down that prune juice and give your son a call.”
CF: “What. Who are you?”
BB: “Sigh, it’s me, Brian. Listen Cliff we need to see if the Wild are willing to trade Brent Burns”
CF: “I don’t have sideburns.”
BB: “Nevermind, Cliff. I’ll call myself.”

by blindfolded tank driver on Mar 17, 2011 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

CF: My son never calls enough :( .

Dion Phaneuf: turning the tunes up since '10

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by thenumber14 on Mar 17, 2011 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

oooh Brent Burns.

We need someone to make Dion look less caveman-ny

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by thenumber14 on Mar 17, 2011 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

He’s signed Steve Montador before hasn’t he?

On the Mike Weber bandwagon (Stupid penalties and all!)
Rob Niedermayer scored a goal. Your argument is invalid.

by Ubiquitous on Mar 17, 2011 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

His situation was a lot like Macarthur, never really got a shot before being shppied to another team. But he is better than Lebda any day and being 24 he has the potenial to improve.

Bam Bam.- digga digga damm

by Eterrible on Mar 17, 2011 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

His situation was a lot like Macarthur, never really got a shot before being shppied to another team.

He had plenty of chances on other teams, I don’t know what you’re talking about. He’s still better than Lebda.

20 miles to Legoland!

by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

As a 20 year old he played 12 games with the bruins
As a 21 year old he played 18 games with the bruins
at 22 heplayed 16 with the bruins and 12 with the lightning
at 23 he played 5 with the lightnng and 1 now at 24 with the leafs

That is not many games in any given year.

Yes he got some playing time but never even a quater season with one team. All I am suggesting is that maybe a half season in the 6-7 spot will give the kid a chance to get comfortable and show us what he has.

Bam Bam.- digga digga damm

by Eterrible on Mar 17, 2011 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

He only played those few games because he proved he wasn't ready for the NHL.

I hope I’m wrong, and he can slot into a 5th/6th role, but he’s got to earn it, he shouldn’t be given anything. I’d want Marlies all pushing for a callup to take his place if they can.

20 miles to Legoland!

by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Lashoff is more engaged offensively than Aulie, he doesn’t play as much of a “contain” style as Aulie does. Seems like he was often stepping up on the opposing forwards pretty aggressively, which is fine if he’s paired with a more stay-at-home guy. Overall he looked good and a hell of a lot better than Lebda. Now that Komi is injured I actually think our D might improve with a combo of Lashoff/Gysbers (or someone else)

Truculligerestosterugnacity.

by lucc on Mar 17, 2011 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

It will be LAshoff/Lebda

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by clrkaitken on Mar 17, 2011 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

good skater, has some jump. Leafs need better skaters on defense.

Chemmy loves Peter Karmanos.

by birky on Mar 17, 2011 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

So is Gigure in tomorrow against Florida?

and is Gustavsson done in the NHL for this season if JS plays well in that game?

"He should be wearing a Sens sweater" - describing someone acting less than sane or competent. Use it.

by elseldo on Mar 17, 2011 8:22 AM EDT reply actions  

I’d still wager that Reimer gets the start, but I don’t see why Giggy is a better proposition than Gus at the moment

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by PKSube on Mar 17, 2011 8:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m jsut thinking JS is already on the bench. i know Jonas was sent down for a conditioning stint, doe she have to go through re-entry waivers to come back up?

that may keep him down,

"He should be wearing a Sens sweater" - describing someone acting less than sane or competent. Use it.

by elseldo on Mar 17, 2011 8:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Monster’s on the active roster.

"[Phil Kessel]'s as streaky as a flipped coin" - Shift

by The '67 Sound on Mar 17, 2011 8:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’d rather have Gustavsson start tonight.

Chemmy loves Peter Karmanos.

by birky on Mar 17, 2011 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh God yes.

"[Phil Kessel]'s as streaky as a flipped coin" - Shift

by The '67 Sound on Mar 17, 2011 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Pretty much everyone is in agreement on that, but start Gustvasson before Giguere… I don’t see Burke/RW doing that.

20 miles to Legoland!

by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

no, conditioning stint allows you to avoid waivers.

WE MISS YOU TOMAS

by daoust on Mar 17, 2011 8:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

she doesn’t need waivers as she’s already in the press box.

20 miles to Legoland!

by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 8:41 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

She??

I know there’s some concerns about Gus, but I never knew the extent of his injuries!

by GettinGiggy on Mar 17, 2011 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Giggy will start according to Wilson

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by leafer1984 on Mar 17, 2011 8:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

that’s what he said yesterday too. this is his new pre-game good luck ritual – tell everyone giggy’s starting, then put in reimer.

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by daoust on Mar 17, 2011 8:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Then psych!

Gustavsson ends up in net, Reimer takes off his helmet and heads to the bench, and Giguere magically transforms back into a suit and heads up to the press box.

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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 8:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Fool me twice…

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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 8:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Lost in Dion's big game

Aulie led the team in ES TOI last night. Half of it against Staal and only outchanced 3-5 on a night ES chances were 6-14 against. That’s pretty freaking remarkable for a rookie.

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by The '67 Sound on Mar 17, 2011 8:43 AM EDT reply actions  

The pairing of Aulie and Phaneuf has been amazing the past month or so. EVen against TBay, they were good. As I said in my last tweet #thankyousutter

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by leafer1984 on Mar 17, 2011 8:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

I can’t believe the words are coming out of my mouth (fingers I guess since I’m typing) but Phaneuf is a great role model for the type of game I see Aulie playing.

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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 8:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Aulie will never have Dion’s offensive game but I think he could be a perfect complement if he just plays a safe, physical, positional game—let’s Dion go for big hits and offensive rushes. Play the Foote to Dion’s Blake.

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by The '67 Sound on Mar 17, 2011 8:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Play the Foote to Dion’s Blake.

Mind = blown

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by leafer1984 on Mar 17, 2011 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not saying either are as good as their models but it’s a pretty good model, right?

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by The '67 Sound on Mar 17, 2011 8:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well ya, but that seems like a pretty god comparison

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by leafer1984 on Mar 17, 2011 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

*good

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by leafer1984 on Mar 17, 2011 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

you had it right the first time

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by Tickle Me Aulie on Mar 17, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Aulie will never have Dion’s offensive game

Agreed, Phaneuf has a pretty unique “style” as far as the specific way he goes about playing his position. Aulie won’t replicate that because he’s a big man with different strengths. But he’s only 20 or so… I think he definitely has the potential to put up some numbers in the future.

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by lucc on Mar 17, 2011 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

He’s never put up offensive numbers at any level unless you count 33 points in 58 games as an overager in the WHL. Let’s just be happy with what we have and not expect anything offensive out of him. If he can be Anton Volchenkov I’m ecstatic.

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by The '67 Sound on Mar 17, 2011 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

No points?

Oh no! We’ve ended up with a taller Francois Beauchemin! Quelle horreur!

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by SkinnyFish on Mar 17, 2011 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly. Younger and cheaper too.

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by The '67 Sound on Mar 17, 2011 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Zut alors!

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by SkinnyFish on Mar 17, 2011 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

1996-97 Prince George Cougars WHL 49 3 19 22
1997-98 New York Islanders NHL 25 0 1 1 50
1997-98 Kentucky Thoroughblades AHL 48 4 9 13
1998-99 New York Islanders NHL 59 2 6 8 83
1998-99 Lowell Lock Monsters AHL 23 2 2 4 47
1999-00 New York Islanders NHL 65 2 9 11 57
2000-01 New York Islanders NHL 82 2 7 9 157

these are Chara’s numbers.. very modest

by Ben Schnell on Mar 17, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ve been pretty hard on Phaneuf this year, but I have to admit that I’m coming around. Potting goals helps obviously, but its more than that. He actually looks like a captain out there to me now, all leadershipy and shit. I know this is a touchy feely thing which is frowned upon round these parts, but that’s the way I’m calling it. so suck it.

by Kessel'sOversizedSuit on Mar 17, 2011 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

He actually looks like a captain out there to me now, all leadershipy and shit.

This is sorta frowned upon by some

but that’s the way I’m calling it. so suck it.

Thats frowned upon even more

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by leafer1984 on Mar 17, 2011 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Leafer1984 and I have been staunch Dion supporters all year. I am not Impressed, I’m Stoked he’s regaining his form. that second goal was an absolute laser one-timer like old times.

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by thenumber14 on Mar 17, 2011 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Inspired by the words of our good friend eyebleaf

Dion hasn’t changed, you’ve changed

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by leafer1984 on Mar 17, 2011 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

He’s OUR volume cranking,#1 Rihanna superfan, rock banging captian.

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by thenumber14 on Mar 17, 2011 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Dion really hasn’t changed. He’s actually averaging LESS shots on goal during his 11 pts in 11 gms streak. He just had horrendous luck and now it’s shifted in his favour. Think of him as a one-man New Jersey Devils.

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by The '67 Sound on Mar 17, 2011 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Even he admits in the post-game that “sometimes the goals just don’t come” and that he hasn’t substantially changed anything in his game.

He does admit to feeling better in the last month, skating better after that leg cut earlier in the year.

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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

I have noticed him moving better and being more physical since late January but the pucks going in thing… I just don’t think that’s really within his control.

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by The '67 Sound on Mar 17, 2011 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Is it unfathomable that he is shooting better?

by A Lindros Jaw on Mar 17, 2011 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

He may be shooting “better” in terms of “more of his shots on net are going in”, which has more to do with his shooting % returning back to his career average rather than any significant improvement in his shot.

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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

"I’ve said it before, sometimes they go in, sometimes they don’t," Phaneuf noted. "We had some guys in front of the net and things worked out."

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by leafer1984 on Mar 17, 2011 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

except on that 2nd goal where he had a completely unobstructed view.

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by daoust on Mar 17, 2011 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ya but, not many goalies in the league would have stopped that one

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by leafer1984 on Mar 17, 2011 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

This makes me happy.

I guess all those times where he’s been ripping shots into the upper bowl he was just trying to go bar-down.

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by lucc on Mar 17, 2011 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

they wouldn't stop a lot

of his shots that don’t even hit the net… his accuracy is so wild at times that the idea that he laser beamed a shot with perfect control is ridiculous to me.

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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess he was just lucky then

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by leafer1984 on Mar 17, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

yep

pretty much. If you took all the shots he was aiming upper corner on, and counted the number that have actually gone in the net this season? it’d be pretty effing small.

To me that implies his “skill” level doesn’t have much to do wit hit.

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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well I’m really glad you cleared that up for us

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by leafer1984 on Mar 17, 2011 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

no you're not

but hey… you’re still upset about the last time we spoke… I can deal.

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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

don't hold onto it too long

the italian vendetta thing is sort of worthless on the internet.

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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll be sure

to change my sleep patterns just so I can be the first person to respond to your discussions about “luck” or “not luck” next time… but until the march break ends that isn’t something I’m going to worry about.

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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

You know you can put more than one thought into one comment right?

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by PPP on Mar 17, 2011 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

it's hard

after I hit the post button… but yes I’m aware.

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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s too bad there’s no requirement for at least one.

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by Chemmy on Mar 17, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Zing!

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by T is for Truculence on Mar 17, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Phaneuf's accuracy

I’d also think that having a wipe open path to the net with no players within 20 feet of him helped the accuracy of his slap slot.

Just saying.

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by Ubiquitous on Mar 17, 2011 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

possibly

although he actually hit Cam Ward on the shoulder on one of the shots… so that likely had to do with increased power… not taking something off.

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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was talking about the one that hit the post, i hadn’t realized he was open on the other one too.

Did Carolina just not bother to cover him?

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by Ubiquitous on Mar 17, 2011 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Carolina’s defense isn’t spectacular.

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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

they're actually

pretty god awful… but yeah… Ward has faced more shots than any goalie in the NHL this season for a reason.

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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lucky for them Ward is one of those goalies who seems to play better when he faces more shots. Also he’ll usually stop whatever he can see, 100mph slappers notwithstanding.

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by lucc on Mar 17, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

First goal was all traffic, the second was an offensive defenceman’s wet dream scenario.

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by The '67 Sound on Mar 17, 2011 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh ya, he saw the puck coming back at a perfect speed….

PING

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by leafer1984 on Mar 17, 2011 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

best Ping I have heard all season. MacArthur’s on Saturday is a runner up

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by thenumber14 on Mar 17, 2011 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

They were both delicious.

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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think Dion’s was more satisfying because it was Dion.

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by thenumber14 on Mar 17, 2011 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

There are few things more satisfying when watching or playing hockey, than ripping a slapshot off the bar and in.

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by lucc on Mar 17, 2011 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

My rough guess on the speed of that shot was approximately Mach 7.3.

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by The '67 Sound on Mar 17, 2011 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

HAHAHAHAH

Well played

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by leafer1984 on Mar 17, 2011 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Was Lee Stempniak shooting better when he went on that ridiculous run at the end of last year?

Colour me skeptical that a five year vet suddenly figured out how to shoot midseason.

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by The '67 Sound on Mar 17, 2011 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

With respect, I’m just thinking all the aspects of his game – improved mobility, physicality, shot power, accuracy probably have more to to with recovery from injury rather than his luck evening out.

by A Lindros Jaw on Mar 17, 2011 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Then why was his sh% terrible pre-injury and last year post-trade?

Shit happens. Dion himself said it; pucks are just going in now.

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by The '67 Sound on Mar 17, 2011 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not sure I’d totally trust an athlete’s banal post-game interview as a sound analysis of his game. He didn’t even mention how he’s been giving 110%.

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by The Bag on Mar 17, 2011 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

He didn’t even mention how he’s been giving 110%.

That right there proves he’s not doing all he can do.

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by PPP on Mar 17, 2011 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

I dunno. The key to Dion’s volume adjustments?

This one goes to 11.

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by The Bag on Mar 17, 2011 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

There could be a number of explainations: trouble adjusting to a new team, new defensive partners, new coaching instructions. Colour me skeptical that a 4 year vet gets snakebitten that hard for so long for no reason other than luck.

by A Lindros Jaw on Mar 17, 2011 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

not to mention pressure of wearing the “C”

by Nigel Cadbury on Mar 17, 2011 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

It happens all the time. Look at any big time scorer and you’ll see fluctuations of 7% or more year to year.

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by The '67 Sound on Mar 17, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

And obviously much bigger swings over a fragment of a year. Like Kessel going goalless for 14 or Zetts getting 2 goals in 26 games. Did they forget how to score? No, they were snakebitten.

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by The '67 Sound on Mar 17, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

We want to find explanations for things, so “luck” is a difficult concept for us to grasp.
Luck happens, though. Absolute consistency is a myth. True talent, or skill, bears out over an enormous number of events; in any smaller sample sizes, performances better or worse than that true skill level are likely to occur.

Perhaps “things out of our control” is a better term than “luck”.

by Shift on Mar 17, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

As you have pointed out before, flip a coin 100 times and see how “streaky” lady luck actually is.

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by The '67 Sound on Mar 17, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

and if scoring in the NHL was in any way comparable to flipping a coin, I wonder how many players would practice their shot.

by A Lindros Jaw on Mar 17, 2011 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

the funny thing is

it is comparable… only you’d have better luck with the coin flip.

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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

comparable in the way that strawberries and astrology are comparable?

by A Lindros Jaw on Mar 18, 2011 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

happens all the time

and that’s just how it goes.

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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Athletes change aspects of their game all the time. It’s not a matter of “figuring it out” so much as making minor adjustments that may (or may not) have an impact on the results we see. I do agree that a certain amount is luck changing, but that’s not all of it.

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by daoust on Mar 17, 2011 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

yes

it is unfathomable… his shooting percentage is far too low for him to have that ability.

He’s just luckier.

People need to work on accepting that.

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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think at the beginning of the year it was " oh shit, I’m the captain, I have to carry the team on my back like Jerome did in Calgary" which had him doing too much.Then he got hurt.

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by thenumber14 on Mar 17, 2011 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

this.

It’s almost like perhaps someone took him aside and said “you know Dion, don’t worry about doing everything … just go out and play some hard minutes, play good defence, let the rest take care of itself”.

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by fair_n_hite_451 on Mar 17, 2011 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think that most of Dion’s recent play has partly to do with finally coming back from his injury but mostly has to do with his trust in his goalie and defensive partner. Both allow Dion to be more free wheeling and allow him to play aggressively on the offense without thinking about having to hold back to get back to a defensive stand point. I have no figures or anything to prove this but it seems to me to be the case, he needs to have someone to back him up and now he has James and Keith doing just that.

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by BlueBuds on Mar 17, 2011 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh i know, but remember when eyebleaf said that about Kaberle? Applying it in this context.

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by leafer1984 on Mar 17, 2011 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I thought the same thing last night. If you want to adapt it, “Dion hasn’t changed, his luck has changed”.

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by The '67 Sound on Mar 17, 2011 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

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by leafer1984 on Mar 17, 2011 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

I dunno… he seems to have taken a bit off his shot, more seem to be hitting the net. Or at least not going 3 ft high and 3 ft wide. Also, he’s playing a couple minutes more per night than he was when Beauchemin and Kabby were still here.

He’s changed a little bit anyway. Which is good, growth and personal improvement are important.

I just realized he’s at 23 pts in 54 games, which is a 35-pt pace over 82 games. That’s basically what I was expecting from him when he came over. Nice.

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by daoust on Mar 17, 2011 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

no

this is not happening… we’re trying to explain it away as something internal to Dion, when it’s EXTERNAL… he isn’t doing anything significantly different. He still makes booboos in his own end, he pinches at the wrong time, he tries to do more than he probably should… but hey he’s scored some goals and gotten some assists so we think he’s doing it with more control?

Please… just accept that he ISN’T capable of controlling things to that degree.

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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Please… just accept that he ISN’T capable of controlling things to that degree.

Other people are allowed to have different opinions still Steve.

“just accept it” is a terrible way of presenting an opinion.

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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

but this isn't an opinion

it’s an obvious reality… enough people have done enough work to show that players don’t control their shooting percentage at a micro level… people are resistant to the idea, but that doesn’t make it incorrect.

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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also

it’s not like I was saying people aren’t “allowed” to have another opinion… if I thought that way I certainly wouldn’t have used the word Please.

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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s a lot more positive around here when you’re not in “teacher mode”.

I love the stats and arguments you present, but can we keep it away from “I’m right you’re wrong deal with it.”

Maybe that’s just me.

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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I never said

“I’m right you’re wrong deal with it”.

and if you think that’s how I teach then you’re off base… but ok.

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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Saying things aren’t opinion but “obvious reality” while declaring everybody else’s ideas as nothing but opinion and speculation seems pretty off-base to me.

You may not have said “I’m right you’re wrong deal with it” in so many words, but the tone of your posts sometimes comes off as arrogant and condescending. Obviously a lot of nuance gets missed on the Internet but from the looks of things I’m not the only person who’s ever noticed it.

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by T is for Truculence on Mar 17, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think it has to do with nuance at all. I think the fact that Steve can’t admit he has the “i’m right you’re wrong” is exactly proving the point that he has the “I’m right you’re wrong” attitude.

It’s march break dude, take some time off from teaching.

by Ben Schnell on Mar 17, 2011 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

here's the difference

I’m arguing on the basis of data… other people are using anecdotal evidence.

I’m not a fan of the latter… it doesn’t tend to give a clear picture.

I would argue that if you want to make an argument, finding data to support it is a good idea.

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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

do you even watch the games?

I kid, I kid.

I am to blame for starting this whole mess, so for my part, I am sorry.

by Kessel'sOversizedSuit on Mar 17, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

As for the arrogant and condescending part of it?

you aren’t the 1st to accuse me of it… probably won’t be the last… I also don’t know if there’s much point to it.

It’s right up there with people telling me how much they appreciate it when they don’t think I’m being arrogant and condescending.

I find all the paternalistic advice on how to conduct myself more than a tad hypocritical for the record. It’s weird to have a bunch of people attempt to constructively criticize how you communicate out of frustration with it by telling you how to modify your behaviour… particularly when what they’re bothered by is the other person’s attempts to modify their behaviour?

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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

to state it alternatively

don’t tell me how to think/act + you don’t act the way I want you to… think/act this way.

At a deeper level I’m sure my responses are just adding to some people’s frustration, but realistically none of this is modifying anything. We could stick to the actual debate about hockey, maybe add to it, remove from it, whatever. The personal ad hominem stuff doesn’t really further it much one way or another.

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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey, if you don’t want to play nice with anybody, that’s your prerogative. I’m not the thought police, and I’m not your mother.

You’re absolutely right: I don’t have any more right to tell you what to do or what to think than you do for the rest of us. Just remember that. Stats are not black and white, no matter how much you want to think.

I’ll confess I don’t have the time to put into poring through stats that you do, and I give you all the credit in the world for doing that. In fact, when you present facts and figures, I will look at them. And if they change my mind about something, I’ll even say so. But stats are just numbers. Our interpretation of them, your interpretation of them, that is subjective. Two people can come up with entirely different opinions from the same numbers.

Declaring something an “obvious reality” because of the way you’ve interpreted it, complaining that everybody else doesn’t see the same truth as you, then dismissing others because they disagree with your interpretation, that’s pretty paternalistic to me.

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by T is for Truculence on Mar 17, 2011 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll admit that it is

paternalistic.

I just find it strange when people tell me not to do it and then do exactly what they’re complaining about.

I’m not actually upset that you’re trying to modify my behaviour, I just don’t think what people are actually upset by is the paternalistic tone.

It’s more the nature of the disagreement than anything.

Anyway… we’re now arguing about arguing, and I don’t see a huge point to that. It’s not particularly constructive either way.

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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I didn’t think we were arguing, I was just trying to point out why I think you get into so many arguments all the time. I always keep an open mind when I’m on here because I know there are plenty of people around here who know more and spend more time thinking about hockey than I do. I appreciate the communal knowledge that this little village has, and I think every one of us contributes to that.

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by T is for Truculence on Mar 17, 2011 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is something

I agree with.

Believe it or not, I don’t sit around and talk hockey all day with random people when I’m not in here.

I honestly get so frustrated with the average fan’s opinion I’d rather not listen to them. 95% of the people in here know what they’re talking about, and I respect their opinions (even if I don’t always type like I do)… I just don’t see the need for the personalization of a hockey conversation I guess.

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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess I would fall into that 5%, since I’m opposing ‘obvious reality’ and all.

by A Lindros Jaw on Mar 17, 2011 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Reality is overrated, obvious or otherwise.

by Kessel'sOversizedSuit on Mar 17, 2011 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

On shooting percentage yes but he’s been visibly better defensively. He has reined in his defensive game and it’s made a difference to his results.

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by PPP on Mar 17, 2011 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know about that

he still doesn’t block a lot of shots… his hit numbers are still about where they were.

Is it possible Aulie is the difference? A big stay at home guy that lets him roam a bit more freely? Aulie is a more significant change than anything I’ve seen from Dion.

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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

He doesn’t seem to be running around as often, he takes better angles more often when going after the puck carrier. Yeah, he still makes glaring errors but not as many or at least they aren’t punished as much.

I’m not sure Aulie is that much of a difference compared to Beauchemin. Probably more about not as many errors going in.

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by PPP on Mar 17, 2011 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Perhaps

Reimer has helped that last point quite a bit.

I’m looking over Event sheets from the past few games, and on the subject of Dion shooting better… in the game against TB he had 5 of his shot attempts blocked, and 2 on net, against Buffalo he had 2 blocked to 1 on net, in Philly he had 4 on net and 1 blocked.

Also his hit numbers are up, not down… to me that means he might be taking more risks to make the physical play… but yeah I dunno… I just don’t think I’ve seen a significant shift in HIS play… just in the results.

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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Reimer bailed out Phaneuf hard last night (when he lead to a 3 on 1, good goaltending can cover up a lot of problems.

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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

He was off after the injury but I’m seeing now what I remember from last year and early this year.

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by The '67 Sound on Mar 17, 2011 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

kind of like when he played with Regehr?

by Nigel Cadbury on Mar 17, 2011 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree that aulie, and a decent goalie, is a big big part of it.

by Kessel'sOversizedSuit on Mar 17, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pretty much. Dion’s got over a year with the Leafs now and the only time I noticed anything different in his game is he seemed less mobile and more tentative for a while after his return from injury. Otherwise he’s the same guy with varying degrees of luck.

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by The '67 Sound on Mar 17, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Phaneuf is likely not as good as he’s been his past six or seven games. However before this stretch his shooting percentage was half his career average. Dude’s due some regression to the mean.

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by Chemmy on Mar 17, 2011 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

exactly

he’s going to eventually see some good luck to balance out all the bad if he keeps playing big minutes and getting the chance to perform.

He wasn’t likely to keep being a 1-2% shooter for the rest of his career.

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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

All I suggested is that maybe he’s taken a bit off his shot – which he CAN control -and that his minutes are up since Beauch / Kabby were traded – which they ARE.

Please…. just accept that you DON’T have to disagree with everything, or at least not be so smug about it when you do.

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by daoust on Mar 17, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Point is we have no evidence he’s taking something off his shot more often—I certainly haven’t noticed it—and his increase in ice time is marginal and doesn’t explain a massive uptick in scoring.

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by The '67 Sound on Mar 17, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're right

I don’t… have to change any more than anyone else… just accept it?

He’s been asked about the shot thing in the past and has insisted he hasn’t taken anything off it… I dunno about you, but the shots he fired on net last night looked pretty damn hard to me.

In fact the only way that one hits Ward and keeps moving into the net is if it’s a damn hard bullet of a shot.

As for playing bigger minutes, yes… he is… I don’t know what that has to do with him scoring more.

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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

From what I’ve seen with my own two eyes, it looks like Dion has taken a bit off of his shot, occasionally. I don’t give a shit what your or Dion say about it frankly.

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by daoust on Mar 17, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you don't give a shit

then we shouldn’t be having this discussion… there’s no gun to anyone’s head to respond.

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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’s not blasting every shot now, he picks his spots for the big blasts from what I’ve been noticing. Before every shot was just a wind and fire, now he seems to wait for the perfect setup to do this, like last night. Otherwise he’s been doing alot of low to the ice, get it to the net kind of shots.

by Nigel Cadbury on Mar 17, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wonder if there is a way to see if his shot selection (wrist v. slap) has changed?

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by PPP on Mar 17, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yikes, I can’t imagine they make those stats available, if they’re even collected.

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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

they do.

and they are.

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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

The NHL tracks them in game reports. Not sure how you could collect all the data.

Someone really should write a scraper for NHL game sheets… I would love to have a compilation of shooter, shot selection, and shot distance.

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by Bower Power on Mar 17, 2011 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pretty sure BtN collects shot types, but only cumulatively. So you can look year over year but not within years.

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by The '67 Sound on Mar 17, 2011 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

no you can look

within years.

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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

BtN

has the scraper… Gabe has done work on this and helped Ken Krzywicki do the same thing.

doing it game to game would be useful though.

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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well look at that# – thanks for the heads up.

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by Bower Power on Mar 17, 2011 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

no problem

it’d be nice to examine splits for those stats.

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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Amazing. I had no idea. That is detail and dedication in stat-collection.

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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

but his goals

were slap shots… so… doesn’t that sort of mean we can’t attribute THOSE to his new shot selection (that nobody is backing up with anything other than “my eyes have shown me”)?

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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right but if he did then it would be a point in favour of the argument that Dion is picking his spots and more aware that he can’t just blast every shot.

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by PPP on Mar 17, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

right

so the only 2 shots he fired on net last night were slap shots… and they both scored… so because of last night we’re arguing that he has taken something off his shot and is picking his spots by taking more wrist shots, even though if he took a wrister last night it didn’t hit the net?

got it.

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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

Exactly Steve. Daoust is only talking about one game. Come on.

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by PPP on Mar 17, 2011 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

well

if he doesn’t score 2 goals last night and we lose the game, I doubt we’re having this conversation… but even if we expand it to previous games…

I already mentioned in the previous 2 games he only hit the net with 3 shots, and managed to have another 11 blocked or miss the net… how is that indicative of him “picking his spots” more?

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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes

We have had this conversation before he scored goals.

I already mentioned in the previous 2 games he only hit the net with 3 shots, and managed to have another 11 blocked or miss the net… how is that indicative of him "picking his spots" more?

Well Steve, when I play hockey and I try to block a shot (note: this is a hypothetical because blocking shots is for grinders) then I make sure that I am between the goalie and the net. If a shot is 8 feet high and 4 feet wide it won’t hit me. So if he’s getting more shots blocked that probably means that he is getting more shots at least closer to the general vicinity of the net.

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by PPP on Mar 17, 2011 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hahaha
(note: this is a hypothetical because blocking shots is for grinders)

#swag

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by lucc on Mar 17, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ve seen PPP, he is kidding himself, he is a grinder

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by leafer1984 on Mar 17, 2011 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Body of a grinder, game of a sniper, results of a Kilger.

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by PPP on Mar 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

So you’re Jonas Hoglund, basically.

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by clrkaitken on Mar 17, 2011 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Bahahahah rec’d.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 17, 2011 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think I score enough to be Hoglund.

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by PPP on Mar 17, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

John Mitchell?

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by birky on Mar 17, 2011 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think

it’s automatic that a blocked shot is a shot on net… efforts aside.

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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Odds are that a blocked shot was probably going on net. At least more so than a shot headed off target.

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by PPP on Mar 17, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

he’s using wristers to get the puck to the net, not necessarily to get it past the goalie, but to give the guys in front of the net something to tip, or get a rebound off of.

by Nigel Cadbury on Mar 17, 2011 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is he?

he didn’t last night.

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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

So he never has.

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by PPP on Mar 17, 2011 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

no

but doesn’t mean he is always doing it either.

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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good thing no one is saying that he’s always doing it.

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by PPP on Mar 17, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

good thing

nobody said he’s never doing it.

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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh wait

nm… that was you.

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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

See

I asked a question and referred to an example… you inferred the absolute… I’m not really sure how it helps either way.

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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

there wasn't a

misunderstanding… you were being absurd and you know it.

If you actually think I believe he NEVER fires wrist shots then speak to the point.

If you got that from anything I’ve said, I think this is the moment you could point it out.

I’m only arguing I haven’t seen a drastic shift in his game, not that I think he never shoots wrist shots.

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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

multiple people are saying

“I’ve seen a change to his game” and they’re annoyed that someone’s disagreeing with it… I don’t see a huge problem in the communication side of things.

If people want to offer some concrete evidence beyond “hey look he’s scored more because he’s getting more wrist shots on net” they can… I have yet to see anything like that.

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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

my initial comments:

“he seems to have taken a bit off his shot”

“He’s changed a little bit anyway”

Your response:

“no this is not happening… "

“Please… just accept that he ISN’T capable of controlling things to that degree”

basically you’re yelling at me that he has no ability to change his game a little bit. think about how ridiculous that is.

you may not see a problem in the communication side of things, but there’s probably a reason you’re the number one participant in pissing matches around here.

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by daoust on Mar 17, 2011 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

To me, the tone of that is akin to my parents telling me to do something without telling me why.

“Trust me, you’ll thank me later…”

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by T is for Truculence on Mar 17, 2011 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

right

well… I am willing to look into it further.

You’re probably right that my tone comes across as far too firm.

I have actually looked at it more strongly… but the taking a bit off his shot thing makes no sense.

he’s taking different types of shots, but he isn’t shooting slap shots less powerfully.

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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

and as for

thinking things are absurd one way or another… I think a lot of things people say are absurd… I’ll live if people feel the same about my statements.

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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

he isn’t shooting slap shots less powerfully.

it is virtually impossible for you to know this. me as well. the fact his shots appear less errant (or less dramatically errant) certainly leads me to believe he’s not swinging for the fences every time. but who knows.

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by daoust on Mar 17, 2011 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

ok I'm done

going over every game he’s played this season… I have to run to the grocery store, but I’ll put up a posting when I get back about it so you can see the data yourself.

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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bra-fucking-vo

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by clrkaitken on Mar 17, 2011 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

The exception

doesn’t prove the rule, or disprove the general argument, but it certainly doesn’t support it either.

As for whether or not I was being dismissive, I sure do spend a lot of time trying to illuminate points to those I’m dismissing… kinda backwards if you think about it.

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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ok

so on the season his proportions are as follows:

Slap : 69 ES, 28 PP
Snap: 31 ES, 8 PP
Wrist: 41 ES, 9 PP

That’s 97 slap shot attempts at ES or PP, 39 snap shot attempts at ES or PP, and 50 Wrist shots…

I have no idea if that’s gone up or down recently… but it’s roughly 2-1 Slap Shots to Wrist shots, and last night he only fired 2 shots both of which were slap shots.

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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

When

you include snap and wrist shots together you get 97 slappers, and 89 wrist/snap shots.

Those are REMARKABLY similar to the numbers i’ve gotten from just the last 25 games… If they were skewed differently before, then the total should still show that skew… it doesn’t… therefore… no significant change… sorry.

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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

and yes

espn’s game casts have shot type… and distance.

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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’s not blasting every shot now, he picks his spots for the big blasts from what I’ve been noticing. Before every shot was just a wind and fire, now he seems to wait for the perfect setup to do this, like last night. Otherwise he’s been doing alot of low to the ice, get it to the net kind of shots.

This is exactly what I have observed as well.

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by daoust on Mar 17, 2011 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I noticed him occasionally taking something off one last year and earlier this year too. Beware confirmation bias.

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by The '67 Sound on Mar 17, 2011 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’s doing it more consistently now. I made this comment 15 or 20 games ago, well before this little streak. Thanks for the tip though.

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by daoust on Mar 17, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Phaneuf’s had some pretty crummy luck since arriving in Toronto. He was shooting 2% down from 6% his rookie year in Calgary. As a 4% shooter Phaneuf would be a welcome offensive boost to the team.

He’s probably not doing anything different; the pucks are just finally going in.

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by Chemmy on Mar 17, 2011 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

ok ok… so pro athletes never do anything to change or improve their game, they have a base level of skill and performance that lasts the duration of their career, and the only thing that can possibly change their results is luck. got it.

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by daoust on Mar 17, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Let me rephrase this; did Dion Phaneuf have some “a-ha!” moment last week and start scoring about a goal a game because of a small tweak?

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by Chemmy on Mar 17, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Of course not, and I never said that was the case. He may have made little tweaks over the last 25 games, and he’s just starting to get some good bounces now that are leading to goals. Who knows.

I just find it a bit strange though that you guys think that athletes don’t work on changing or improving aspects of their game, and that everything is attributable to puck luck and regression to the mean.

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by daoust on Mar 17, 2011 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’d expect any changes an athlete makes would result in more chances not higher percentage ones.

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by Chemmy on Mar 17, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right, and his shots per game are actually down.

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by The '67 Sound on Mar 17, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

why would you expect that? you can’t make changes that result in doing something more effectively?

this conversation is baffling me.

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by daoust on Mar 17, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

technically speaking

he could be shooting from better locations… and changing shot type IS changing to higher percentages… so if he goes from slap shots to snap/wrist shots from closer in he’s likely to increase his goal totals overall.

I’m willing to have this conversation, I’d just rather not have it in a vacuum with more info than “I’ve seen” or “I’ve noticed”.

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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

in this instance

I’d say it’s more luck than anything… I haven’t seen a significant change… I also don’t see how taking something off his shot would result in a lot more goals. More pucks on net perhaps? but not goals.

In the last 2 games prior to the ‘Canes game, he played against TB and Buffalo, and he fired 11 shots that were either blocked or missed the net, and a grand total of 3 shots that hit the net. Does that seem like he’s made some drastic long term shift in style of play?

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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

More pucks on net = more goals.

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by PPP on Mar 17, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

bullshit

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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

sorry

bullshit

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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

ok I looked at the TB game

he fired 9 shots, 5 slaps, 3 wrists, and 1 backhand.

1 of the wristers hit the net and scored, the other 2 were blocked. So was the backhand, and 1 slap shot. Only 1 of the slap shots hit the net, and the other 2 missed the net completely.

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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

If Steve’s agreeing, he’s dying.

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by PPP on Mar 17, 2011 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

On that note re: NJD

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by FiftyMissionCap on Mar 17, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Unreal.

Worst in reverse for Colorado. 1 win in their last 22 games.

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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

*worst = works.

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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

What actually happened is that NJuggernaut took all the unsustanable PDO from Colorado and left their worst-in-history PDO there instead.

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by Ubiquitous on Mar 17, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

no

Jaques Lemaire is obviously a genius coach, and all the trades have made Colorado half the team they once were! They control everything and luck has nothing to do with it.

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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Full disclosure

Lemaire coached teams do tend to have high PDO.

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by Ubiquitous on Mar 17, 2011 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

how high?

like multiple standard deviations above the mean high?

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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

only like 1008 on average… but even that much over a 4 year span (or however long he was in Minnisota) is fairly tough to do.

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by Ubiquitous on Mar 17, 2011 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jacques Lemaire was the first coach of Minnesota and stepped down in 2009….so 8 years.

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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Mar 17, 2011 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah

that’s pretty long… it seemed shorter for some reason.

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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

It was too short, I agree. If only he wasn’t all “If you fire Doug, I’m leaving too.” Sigh…

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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Mar 17, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

exact value: average of 1011 pdo over 2001-2010.

Of course a 1011 pdo isn’t as useful when you’re outshot by 3 shots a game.

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by Ubiquitous on Mar 17, 2011 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

The NJuggernaut cannot* be stopped.

 * – Except by Craig Anderson

The Sabres play them next Saturday. Doomed.

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by Ubiquitous on Mar 17, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not sure I’m more frightened of being a threat for the last playoff spot at this point – NJ or Buffalo

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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

No

Leafs and Sabres are going to the playoffs together! Who needs the stupid rangers. They should get eliminated on the last day of the season again because it’s ironic.

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by Ubiquitous on Mar 17, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

whoever eliminates them wins the cup

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by elseldo on Mar 17, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Irony: Rangers final game is against NJuggernaut.

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by Ubiquitous on Mar 17, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Those schedule-makers are clever bastards.

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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

now THAT would be a comback.

Kovalchuck for the Conn Smythe

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by elseldo on Mar 17, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

It would be hilarious

If the Rangers missed the playoffs again in the last game in a shootout

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by Semi_Colon on Mar 17, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Should have traded everything for Brad Richards!

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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fully agree. He looks like a different player since the ASG.

by A Lindros Jaw on Mar 17, 2011 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

He actually looks like a captain out there to me now, all leadershipy and shit.

What’s he been doing differently?

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by PPP on Mar 17, 2011 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Scoring is a type of leadership, I guess

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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

so the puck

has been going in… and he’s a leader suddenly?

Does that mean when the puck isn’t going in that he’s a shitty leader?

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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think you took my comment a bit too seriously. I was agreeing that nothing has changed and they’re just going in.

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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bingo

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by PPP on Mar 17, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

“Leaf fans” said that about Sundin for years.

by Nigel Cadbury on Mar 17, 2011 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

this is true

so I guess we’ve reached the a-ha moment ourselves… goals in = leadership, missing net/blocked shot = loser.

Luck be a lady.

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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’s putting the team on his back, or at least that’s how it appears to me (subjective I know). I knew I’d get flamed for my non-stat based comment, but it’s the way I see it. And like I said from the start, scoring goals does not hurt.

by Kessel'sOversizedSuit on Mar 17, 2011 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

The problem with the “do you even watch the games” type analysis, is that I doubt he would be “showing leadership” if those goals went wide instead of in.

Not saying it’s not visible, but thats why we should all understand both the qualitative and quantitative side of the game.

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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

In his own zone he was a beast last night, except for that one dumb play in the 3rd which caused a 3 on 1

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by leafer1984 on Mar 17, 2011 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

more beastiness

I just checked, and since Feb 15, Phaneuf has averaged just over 27 minutes per game. If he did that for the full season he would be first in the league, ahead of Duncan Keith and Dan Boyle.

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by daoust on Mar 17, 2011 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

It would impossible to say it wasn’t his best game in a Leafs uniform. Impossible.

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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

It’s not that it’s non-stat based, it’s that you can’t really say what he’s changed that’s more leadershipy. Is he barking at players more? Is he working with the other kids more? It’s:

He’s putting the team on his back

So he’s scoring more? Just tough to gauge leadership when no one here knows what goes on in the dressing room.

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by PPP on Mar 17, 2011 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

I once saw the doors that lead into the locker room. They were glorious.

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by SkinnyFish on Mar 17, 2011 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m pretty sure there was a choir singing

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by T is for Truculence on Mar 17, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well I was walking by Grabovski at the time, so I can’t decide is the choir was for him or the doors.

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by SkinnyFish on Mar 17, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

these doors?

untitled

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by elseldo on Mar 17, 2011 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Those doors.

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by SkinnyFish on Mar 17, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

My wife likes those doors, only because of the underwear clad men behind it.

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by elseldo on Mar 17, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

changed the radio station

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by birky on Mar 17, 2011 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Pucks in the net

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by Chemmy on Mar 17, 2011 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

He’s playing like he wants to be a hero, instead of being afraid to be a goat.

by GreatKingRat on Mar 17, 2011 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

you Mean woookie?

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by Eterrible on Mar 17, 2011 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Aulie looks like Pronger on the ice, minus the nastiness.

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by birky on Mar 17, 2011 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Did you see the pool Hartnell fight? He flipped wrecked the bitch!

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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Honestly. I want to send him dvd’s of chara, Pronger, and Larry RObinson.
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by leafer1984 on Mar 17, 2011 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Pronger wasn’t that nasty as a rookie.

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by Chemmy on Mar 17, 2011 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

aulie has already shown short glimpses of the dark side, he is still growing and adjusting to his size, give him a couple years and he will be a terror

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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 17, 2011 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Being on the Leafs releases your inner hate. Case in point: Clarke MacArthur

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by AM18 on Mar 17, 2011 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like how the Canucks have already clinched their division because their division is completely terrible.

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by Ubiquitous on Mar 17, 2011 8:58 AM EDT reply actions  

hopefully they play Chicago in the playoffs.

there’s some kryptonite right there

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by elseldo on Mar 17, 2011 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Chelsea Chelsea I believe that when your dancing
Slowly sucking your sleeve
That all the boys get lonely after you leave
And it’s one for the Dagger and another for the one you believe

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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

That would be totally hilarious.

But chicago wouldn’t have Dustin Byfuglien to save them.

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by Ubiquitous on Mar 17, 2011 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Muahahaha

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by lucc on Mar 17, 2011 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Welp, that failed. Thanks for not posting a link, link button.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3cV688Fi-g

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by lucc on Mar 17, 2011 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

They’re as good as the 2010 Washington Capitals, 2009 San Jose Sharks, 2006 Detroit Red Wings, 2000 St. Louis Blues…….

…..um, wait.

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by FiftyMissionCap on Mar 17, 2011 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Or the 2008 Red Wings, the 2002 Red Wings, the 2001 Avalanche, the 99 Stars…
I know people like to bring up “the President’s Trophy curse” but it’s BS.

Does the President’s Trophy guarantee you anything? No, except home ice. But it also doesn’t guarantee you a first round loss.

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by Semi_Colon on Mar 17, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know that. I know a lot of Canucks fans, so I just enjoy refuting their belief that they’re definitely winning the Cup this year.

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by FiftyMissionCap on Mar 17, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's just annoying

To see the tonnage of “You’re winning the President’s trophy so you’re out in the first round because we cherry pick results that fit our narrative” articles and discussions that are piling up.

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by Semi_Colon on Mar 17, 2011 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Living well is the best revenge.

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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Mar 17, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

In a cold climate, preferably.

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by daoust on Mar 17, 2011 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

They should write articles saying “Vancouver doomed to play Chicago in first round, certain to lose even though player that dominated them was traded to Atlanta.”

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by Ubiquitous on Mar 17, 2011 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nah

We’ll meet in the second round again

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by Semi_Colon on Mar 17, 2011 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Would be amazing, but they do have Schneider who is playing pretty great hockey right now, decreasing the chances of seeing another Luongo playoff break down…

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by Leafs_fan_in_Van on Mar 17, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

The northwest

Is the new south east

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by Semi_Colon on Mar 17, 2011 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

glad your still writing these

by l3ojangles on Mar 17, 2011 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

So…
Grabbo looked pretty good with that “A” last night.

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by birky on Mar 17, 2011 9:31 AM EDT reply actions  

Drew that awesome penalty leading to the second Phaneuf goal

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by thenumber14 on Mar 17, 2011 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Like it has always belonged there.

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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

He had to get rewarded for his play and effort. That’s the kind of stuff we want.

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by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Mar 17, 2011 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

I still feel it should have done to Schenn

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by leafer1984 on Mar 17, 2011 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Schenn wore one after the Kaberle trade.

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by elseldo on Mar 17, 2011 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

for one game

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by leafer1984 on Mar 17, 2011 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

and because Colby was hurt for it

by blindfolded tank driver on Mar 17, 2011 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yup!

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by leafer1984 on Mar 17, 2011 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Who has the other A? Honest question.

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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Komi.

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by thenumber14 on Mar 17, 2011 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

no seriosuly…who has it?

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by elseldo on Mar 17, 2011 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

That is fucking horrible, tear it off his chest and staple it to Schenn’s jersey.

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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

i wish.

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by thenumber14 on Mar 17, 2011 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Change my Komisarek jersey to a Grabbo?

Change my Komisarek jersey to a Grabbo.

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by clrkaitken on Mar 17, 2011 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think Komi has a skate slash, not as bad as dion’s , but he was walking fine when he got off the ice.

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by thenumber14 on Mar 17, 2011 9:33 AM EDT reply actions  

Where does one go on the interwebz to find out a team’s record up to and since a certain date (ie. the allstar break)?

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by lucc on Mar 17, 2011 9:41 AM EDT reply actions  

hockey-reference.com

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by leafer1984 on Mar 17, 2011 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Mentioned this on twitter, thought I’d toss it out here.

Prior to last night, Zetterberg had just 2 goals in his last 26 games. I guess we can all presume he got the Kessel treatment.

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by mf37 on Mar 17, 2011 9:42 AM EDT reply actions  

I saw Detroit fans burning effigies outside of Joe Louis Arena on SportsCentre.

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by SkinnyFish on Mar 17, 2011 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

while constructing the Robocop statue?

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by thenumber14 on Mar 17, 2011 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Robocop statue has a flamethrower pointing at the Zetterberg effigies.

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by SkinnyFish on Mar 17, 2011 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Efficient

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by clrkaitken on Mar 17, 2011 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

The fans and the media have been ruthless with him. RUTHLESS.

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by daoust on Mar 17, 2011 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wow

No wonder I lose every fantasy pool.

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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Someone draw up a “have you seen Henrik Zetterberg?” flyer to pass around.

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by Bower Power on Mar 17, 2011 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

It’s ok we play Detroit soon I’m sure he’ll be fine.

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by Chemmy on Mar 17, 2011 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Slumpbusters to the rescue.

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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

He scored against Washington last night didn’t he?

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by Ubiquitous on Mar 17, 2011 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Gamewinner, bad angle, real soft goal.

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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

twice

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by SkinnyFish on Mar 17, 2011 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Except for the fact the Leafs always somehow beat Detroit. #smallsamplesize

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by FiftyMissionCap on Mar 17, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bozak?

Are u guys really fans???? What is he -27? With 19 mins of ice time and 3 mins of power play time per game and he’s got what 26 points. He’s on the top line playinG huge pp mins and gets tons of ice time and those are his stats? I think he’s a horrible hockey player, who could do the job any worse than him? Nobody on the leafs is near his minus numbers, he can’t score and has only 14 assists. Matt stajan had way more points and a better plus minus with the same ice and I thought he was a stIff. Bozaks a whole new level of suck. Please find other players in the league with the ice time, power play time, and his points and minus numbers…

by Rockarolla on Mar 17, 2011 9:48 AM EDT reply actions  

Oh jeez.

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by leafer1984 on Mar 17, 2011 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

He’s a 3rd line center being asked to play 1st/2nd line minutes and competition. Look at him as such and suddenly, almost magically, his number become par for a 3rd liner. (76th in center scoring. 61-90 would be 3rd line centers by default.)

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by SkinnyFish on Mar 17, 2011 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

3rd liner

Boy I’d hate to see his numbers with 11 mins of ice time and no power play time…he’d likely be down with the marlies after 6 months…lol and no I don’t miss Stajan lol, just saying he was a 3rd liner like pony and even those milkbags had 40+ points

by Rockarolla on Mar 17, 2011 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t miss Stajan lol, just saying he was a 3rd liner like pony and even those milkbags had 40+ points

Stajan and Poni were playng top minutes in Toronto and PP time.

Stajan 07/08 – 19 min TOI 08/09 – 17 min 09/10- 19 min
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Poni 07/08- 16 min 08/09 – 16 min 09/10 – 17 min
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by leafer1984 on Mar 17, 2011 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bozak has been killing the PK lately too. He’s not the 1C we hoped he might be with Kessel but to say he’s not an NHLer is just ignorant.

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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Right

I don’t think you’ll find anyone that isn’t saying that he’s been a disappointment as a potential 1C but he’s a player.

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by PPP on Mar 17, 2011 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Boy I’d hate to see his numbers with 11 mins of ice time and no power play time

They’d probably be in line with the role he was being asked to play.

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by PPP on Mar 17, 2011 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

don’t forget softer competition

Rule #20

by JaredFromLondon on Mar 17, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Here we go.

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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

You’re forgetting that he’s Kessel’s BFF, and how can you put a price/stat on that?

But seriously, I like Bozak. He’s had a tough year, especially given the high pressure put on his shoulders at the start.

don’t forget, he plays significant PK minutes as well, on a leaky PK, so that doesn’t help the ol plus/minus

by Kessel'sOversizedSuit on Mar 17, 2011 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

don’t forget, he plays significant PK minutes as well, on a leaky PK, so that doesn’t help the ol plus/minus

It also doesn’t hurt +/-. Also +/- is a stupid stat. Stop paying attention to it.

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by SkinnyFish on Mar 17, 2011 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

yes.

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by thenumber14 on Mar 17, 2011 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Or if you give up shorties or score shorties.

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by PPP on Mar 17, 2011 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

/themoreyouknow.gif

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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Are u guys really fans????

Why are you freaking out?

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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Welcome

Thanks for joining.

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by PPP on Mar 17, 2011 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

No

Leafs Man is awesome.

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by PPP on Mar 17, 2011 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wow, Leafs man is sure up early considering we haven’t even won tonight’s game yet.

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by thenumber14 on Mar 17, 2011 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Leafsman = Nostradamus?

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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Way to jinx the game tonight Skinny.

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by daoust on Mar 17, 2011 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

We’re starting GIguere…

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by clrkaitken on Mar 17, 2011 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

hey if you can believe in the playoff run you can believe in Stanley Cup & Conn Smythe winning Gigure

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by elseldo on Mar 17, 2011 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

that’s what ron wilson wants you to believe.

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by daoust on Mar 17, 2011 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Honestly

I wouldn’t be surprised with anything at this point.

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by PPP on Mar 17, 2011 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

RW has become a great manipulater of the media.

Honestly he has way too much power because all the reporters believe what he has to say, and then he can just change his mind later.

I think he’s starting to figure out how T.O. media can be used in his favour.

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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

These idiots will believe anything

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by clrkaitken on Mar 17, 2011 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Gustavsson in Giguere’s jersey. Calling it

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by clrkaitken on Mar 17, 2011 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Jonas Hiller in Giguere’s jersey.

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by Chemmy on Mar 17, 2011 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Vertigo.

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by clrkaitken on Mar 17, 2011 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

That’s what Burke wants you to think.

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by Chemmy on Mar 17, 2011 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Russ Tyler in Greg Goldberg’s jersey.

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by SkinnyFish on Mar 17, 2011 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

DA SHOOTER!

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by PPP on Mar 17, 2011 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

ZEH GOALIE!!!!!

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by elseldo on Mar 17, 2011 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Jinx or guarantee victory?

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by SkinnyFish on Mar 17, 2011 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

It’s like popping the champagne the morning before you play game 7 of the cup final.

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by daoust on Mar 17, 2011 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

LeafsMan was just out so late last night chasing skirts and celebrating the win that he’s making a belated appearance.

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by PPP on Mar 17, 2011 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

and he hasn’t gone to bed yet. so….it’s not gameday yet for him

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by elseldo on Mar 17, 2011 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

All-night skirt-chasing Leafsman is the best Leafsman

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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bingo

Basically, he’s about to take a 30 minute power nap, slam some red bull, and then hit the town to celebrate the shining light of the Emerald Isle.

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by PPP on Mar 17, 2011 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bold move the night before St. Patty’s day.

Bold.

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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Question: What would the Toronto st, Pats Leafsman Look Like?

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by thenumber14 on Mar 17, 2011 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not a photoshop expert, so I’m going to only assume Glorious.

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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

This is a picture of me during last night’s game.

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by JP Nikota on Mar 17, 2011 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

could be worse. he didn’t post a pic of leafs mobile

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by birky on Mar 17, 2011 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

guess we’re getting the overflow from LeafsTalk callers.

by Nigel Cadbury on Mar 17, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Man, people that call into Spaceman after ELafs talk make more sense than most of the Leafstalk callers

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by elseldo on Mar 17, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hi, and thanks for listening to Coast to Coast AM. Today we’ll be exploring the possibilities of a conspiracy between the witches that walk among us, and then unknown spirits on the other side.

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by Bower Power on Mar 17, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh no, I mean “The View From Space” on Sat nights.

Makes Coast to Coast look like the evening news

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by elseldo on Mar 17, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

it’s good to laugh in the morning.

i don’t normally do this, but you’re exessive use of question marks demands it.

you spelled “you” wrong

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by elseldo on Mar 17, 2011 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

sonofabitch I spelled excessive wrong.

I hate internet shorthand is what I was getting at

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by elseldo on Mar 17, 2011 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Y r u freeking out?

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by SkinnyFish on Mar 17, 2011 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

I hate internet shorthand is what I was getting at

Amen.

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by PPP on Mar 17, 2011 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

I knwo we all hate The Sun

However, Lance Hornby should be ashamed and embarrassed for making claims like this:

Phaneuf’s game winner was the first by a Leaf captain since Mats Sundin in 2007-08.

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by leafer1984 on Mar 17, 2011 9:56 AM EDT reply actions  

Reminds me of the “Carey Price winless at Bell Centre” clock.

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by The '67 Sound on Mar 17, 2011 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

But that was funny because WE were trolling HABS fans.

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by PPP on Mar 17, 2011 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

EXACTLY

Not a LEAFS reporter

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by leafer1984 on Mar 17, 2011 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m almost positive 50% of Leafs reporters are Habs fans that get off on trolling the fanbase.

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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

cough Greg Brady cough

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by leafer1984 on Mar 17, 2011 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

My mistake, he is a Wings fan

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by leafer1984 on Mar 17, 2011 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Unless you grew up in Detroit (which I don’t know, maybe Greg Brady did), being a Wings fan is such a cop-out. I have a buddy who was born and raised here in Ontario, loves the Wings and hates the Leafs. He gets called out on it incessantly whenever he tries to get smug about hockey with me.

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by lucc on Mar 17, 2011 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Brady’s from Detroit I think.

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by PPP on Mar 17, 2011 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think London or something like that. However he worked in Detroit I know that. Either way he is a terrible radio guy. He trolls and is awful. That comment about MGK yesterday was awful

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by leafer1984 on Mar 17, 2011 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Once you hit London, Ontario they start to creep into the culture.

Winning for a couple decades will do that.

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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Coincidentally, Rob Pizzzo got called out for exatly this by Wyshynski on Puck Daddy Radio this week, and it was awesome

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by clrkaitken on Mar 17, 2011 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Elaborate please

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by leafer1984 on Mar 17, 2011 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Pretty much exactly what lucc described above.

Pizzo’s a Toronto boy who became a Wings fan basically because he wanted to be different from all the other kids he grew up. Wysh called him out that that was bullshit.

More importantly, why aren’t you listening to Puck Daddy Radio?

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by clrkaitken on Mar 17, 2011 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

I dunno, I just never really listened to it. I should start I’m assuming

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by leafer1984 on Mar 17, 2011 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Far better than sports radio.

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by clrkaitken on Mar 17, 2011 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

I liked it a lot to start but I think it’s falling into daily-sports-radio-itis

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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Mar 17, 2011 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

I really enjoy it. Pizzo and Wysh have a really good dynamic.

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by PPP on Mar 17, 2011 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

I grew up near Detroit. Wanna see my Datsyuk and Yzerman jerseys?

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by SkinnyFish on Mar 17, 2011 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nothing wrong with being fans of those players, hell I’m a huge fan of both. I just don’t get people claiming allegiance to a team with which they have no actual relation.

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by lucc on Mar 17, 2011 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

skinny is a chemmy convert

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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 17, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

was he raised

in Windsor? That’s close enough for me to think someone could be a Wing’s fan.

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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s sort of my point—we did it knowingly and with a wink and a smile. And this is a fan-based blog for chrissakes, we were tweaking our rivals. For a MSM member to do it unironically to his own audience is indefensible.

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by The '67 Sound on Mar 17, 2011 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ha!

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by clrkaitken on Mar 17, 2011 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Don’t you get in the way of things with your facts and figures.

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by Bower Power on Mar 17, 2011 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Luckily no one I know gives a shit what that guy has to say, so no problem.

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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Luca Caputi skating back on a regular line with Colborne & Scott. No Marcel Mueller. #Marlies

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by leafer1984 on Mar 17, 2011 10:13 AM EDT reply actions  

PutiTang!

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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

PUTI

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by Leafer87 on Mar 17, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

what was puti hurt with again?

by l3ojangles on Mar 17, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Torn stomach muscle or something liek that

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by leafer1984 on Mar 17, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

BTW, no love for the JLupul twitter comments last night in the FTB today? They were outstanding.
@JLupul: I would encourage the league to look at the blindside elbow the ref hit me w/ today. There is no room for that in our game lol. #3gamesusy
@JLupul: Let’s all protest in front of ACC…

I was laughing pretty hard last night.

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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 10:15 AM EDT reply actions  

I almost spit my drink out I was laughing so hard

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by thenumber14 on Mar 17, 2011 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh yeah

He was killing me.

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by PPP on Mar 17, 2011 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

It was a brutal headshot on an unsuspecting player.

On the Mike Weber bandwagon (Stupid penalties and all!)
Rob Niedermayer scored a goal. Your argument is invalid.

by Ubiquitous on Mar 17, 2011 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

@JLupul: Let’s all protest in front of ACC…

Gotta love this guy… this is a total rip on the Habs and their fans…. Gotta love it.

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by BlueBuds on Mar 17, 2011 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

He had to follow up with a “just joking guys” tweet to make sure fans didn’t actually show up.

Twitter can be a powerful thing…

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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

His cap hit is worth it just for his twitter feed.

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by AM18 on Mar 17, 2011 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know it's in NHL 11

But how badass would the song “howlin for you” by the Black Keys be as a leafs goal song.

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by thenumber14 on Mar 17, 2011 10:25 AM EDT reply actions  

Dean Blundell show actually did up a sample of one. It’s pretty badass.

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by clrkaitken on Mar 17, 2011 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, i think it would be sick to have like, the ACC goal horn, then a couple bars of the drum beat, then break into the “da da da da dah’s” then close out with the guitar riff.

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by thenumber14 on Mar 17, 2011 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thats’ almost exactly what DBS did up

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by clrkaitken on Mar 17, 2011 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

I definitely didn’t heard that but holy hell I want to.

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by thenumber14 on Mar 17, 2011 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

They finally got rid of Zombie Nation and replaced it with a more heavy rock track, which is a hell of a lot better. No idea what it’s called though.

The one thing they need to do is hire someone who is going to lay on that fucking goal horn a bit longer. When the Leafs score it’s like “squeak” and done. Look at every other building in the league, when the home team scores it’s like “BBBBWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNGGGGGGGGGGG….
BBBBWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNGGGGGGGGGGG…
BWAAAAAA BWAAAAAA BWAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNGGGGG” (onomatopoeia with goal horns is hard)

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by lucc on Mar 17, 2011 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m a fan of the one long horn followed by short horn bursts counting out the number of goals scored. Hysterical for those rare 9-3 where shit goes crazy.

Back in Toledo, for Walleye ECHL games. After they announce the goal, the announcer comes on and says “Hey T-Town, let’sssss count ’em up.” To which they reply “1, 2, 3 WE WANT MORE! WE WANT MORE! WE WANT MORE!”

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by SkinnyFish on Mar 17, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

That’s cool.

I like our horn though. It’s a good length and then the song starts and I am 99.9% sure we’ve talked about the goal song but it’s a Zombie Nation remix.

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by PPP on Mar 17, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

I dont think it is. It sounds nothing like it

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by leafer1984 on Mar 17, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

sounds like metallica enter sandman with go leafs go mixed in

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by Matt_Roberts on Mar 17, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Atlanta does those short horn bursts for every goal.

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by Evening News Team on Mar 17, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

That is annoying.

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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

To away fans, so that’s great.

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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Mar 17, 2011 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Similar to the Victoria Grizzlies in the BCHL. They have the Rangers goal song (with ‘Grizzlies’ subbed for ‘Rangers’) and then the chant for the first goal: “1! 2 ON THE WAY!” and so on for each goal scored after.

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by FiftyMissionCap on Mar 17, 2011 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really?
I hate long goal horns.
Washington is the worst they have teh goal horn and a siren.

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by leafer1984 on Mar 17, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Gets the crowd pumped up though.

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by SkinnyFish on Mar 17, 2011 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Personally, it doesn’t make a difference. Thats just me

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by leafer1984 on Mar 17, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

The siren is a gimmick because no one cared about the Caps 6 years ago. Sirens are kewl1 Also it makes the fans feel more comfortable because that’s all you hear walking around downtown Washington.

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by lucc on Mar 17, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

As a resident of the area, i can verify this story. You start to get worried when the sirens stop.

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by Ubiquitous on Mar 17, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Also a longer goal horn is better because especially if it’s a big goal at a key time in the game, it just burns the opposing team that much more.

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by lucc on Mar 17, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

I do like the “win at home” song.

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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

HEAVE AWAY

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by leafer1984 on Mar 17, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

That’s the one

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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

the band is called the fables

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by leafer1984 on Mar 17, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

It’s one of those songs I recognize and sing along to but never spent the time to learn the name or the band haha

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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Now you know

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by leafer1984 on Mar 17, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

nooo

thats one of the main reasons why i hate the islanders.
they piss me off with that.
the Leafs are wayy classier than that.

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by mariamS on Mar 17, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think there are teams out there that make good use of their goal horn while still keeping it classy. It has to be used in context. Opening goal of the game? Keep it modest. Overtime winner? Have at it. I definitely don’t condone something like Washington’s ambulance or Montreal’s car accident simulator.

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by lucc on Mar 17, 2011 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

ya, but it seems every time we play the islanders, every friggen goal desserves a OOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHH OOOHH OOOHH OOOHH

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by mariamS on Mar 17, 2011 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Have you seen the music video? So badass.

Also, the Red Wings use it for a pre-game video intro already. But, this is no surprise, since their intros are always pretty badass.

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by FiftyMissionCap on Mar 17, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ve made this case before, but i want some team (really any team) to use “Cochise” by Audioslave.

Greatest arena entrance song nobody uses.

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by clrkaitken on Mar 17, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Such a bad ass song

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by leafer1984 on Mar 17, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Throw the switch on the lights.
The guitar riff starts up.
Spotlights flying around the arena.
The drums start up. Video on the screen.
Andy Frost screaming “Laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaadeis and gentleman! Yoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooour Toronttoooooooooooooooo Maple LEaaaaaaaaaaaaaaafs!”
Then the first verse starts up, the lights come up, and the Leafs come out on the ice?

Fucking goosebumps.

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by clrkaitken on Mar 17, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just went back and checked this song out, it would work great.

Truculligerestosterugnacity.

by lucc on Mar 17, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don’t they use this in the broadcast on AM640? I seem to remember them going back to games over that track.

by TheCeej on Mar 17, 2011 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, now that you mention it, they do.

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by clrkaitken on Mar 17, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOVE that song

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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wrote about Jibblescribbits’ draft valuations last night.

http://theleafsnation.com/2011/3/16/on-relative-worth-of-draft-picks

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by Chemmy on Mar 17, 2011 10:28 AM EDT reply actions  

Did anyone else read about that Manitoba Junior League playoff game?

86 games in suspensions handed out

Swan Valley forward Jesse Enns received the longest suspension – 40 games – for a hit from behind with just three seconds left in the Terriers 4-1 series-clinching victory.

Stampeders assistant coach Dallas Anderson and Terriers assistant coach Jim Tkachyk each received 22-game suspensions after fighting in the players’ benches after the game. Anderson and Tkachyk were also fined $1,500 each for their actions.

Swan Valley head coach Dwayne Kirkup was also suspended – two games – and fined $1,000 for receiving a gross misconduct penalty and not having proper control of his players on the bench.

Holy chaos.

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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 10:38 AM EDT reply actions  

oh Junior hockey….you’re such a scamp

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by elseldo on Mar 17, 2011 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

They had a video on SportsCentre.

The guy came full speed from at least the blue line to hit the guy from behind. Fucking brutal.

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by clrkaitken on Mar 17, 2011 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Linky

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by SkinnyFish on Mar 17, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wow. I was thinking, “I’m surprised there wasn’t any fights after that hit” and then the coaches go at it. Crazy.

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by nolan_21 on Mar 17, 2011 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

 good restraint by the players though….

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by elseldo on Mar 17, 2011 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah for sure, if it was the NHL that would have gone to a full out brawl.

by munniec on Mar 17, 2011 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

“just another Francois Allaire goalie”

Yeah. Just another multi-Cup winning, Veinza winning netminder. He’s just another Conn Smythe winner. Or just another goalie that has been good enough to carry the Ducks the season. Just another Francois Allaire goaltender.

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by Bower Power on Mar 17, 2011 10:40 AM EDT reply actions  

Worst

I want just another Steve McKichan goalie.

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by PPP on Mar 17, 2011 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah I deserved that. That was over and above, and very offensive, also against my better judgement. I shall mind my manners in the future.

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by ciri jrha on Mar 17, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

No worries. True artists succeed because they straddle the line, sometimes they cross it, other times they nail it.

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by PPP on Mar 17, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Goalies under Allaire

Roy
Giguere
Hiller

Jackpot!

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by SkinnyFish on Mar 17, 2011 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Terrible

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by leafer1984 on Mar 17, 2011 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Cup
Cup
Duck

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by elseldo on Mar 17, 2011 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

pffft. a bunch of overrated has-beens.

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by daoust on Mar 17, 2011 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Toskala
Gustavsson

… am I doing this right?

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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

And yes I realize Toskala never learned to adapt to Allaire’s mentoring, and Gustavsson has a slightly different style…. I still haven’t given up on Gus.

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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, it’s not that Toskala didn’t adapt it’s that he didn’t even use it.

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by PPP on Mar 17, 2011 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Toskala doesn’t even know what goaltending is.

by blindfolded tank driver on Mar 17, 2011 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

They were goaltenders who played with Allaire, not “Allaire goalies.” It’s a reference to people who play with his style of play (heavy butterfly, positional blocking), not just a list of people who have met him.

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by Bower Power on Mar 17, 2011 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ya I know, I was just being an ass.

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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I saw your followup post right after I posted this, but I’m glad it’s up there just to clarify.

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by Bower Power on Mar 17, 2011 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

But it brings up an interesting point… are there any Allaire-style goales that went on to really shit the bed? Or never made the show at all? There’s got to be a few.

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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m sure there are a ton – guys who don’t have their angles down flawlessly will get chewed up if they try to roll with an Allaire setup.

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by Bower Power on Mar 17, 2011 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's almost impossible to find

Nobody writes about the failures.

I did find this nice little writeup on Allaire over at Anaheim’s Calling though. I like this summary at the end:

It’s difficult to quantify his contributions to the franchise. Particularly noteworthy is the fact that the team had only two major starters in Allaire’s 13 years, and neither was a superstar when they began working with him. In fact, despite the vast difference in their draft position, both Giguere (1st Round by Hartford) and Hebert (8th Round by St. Louis) were having trouble transitioning to the NHL when they came to the Ducks. Still, they became solid starters that outlasted the few goaltending Draft selections that Anaheim made. It seems absurd, but for Anaheim, the post of Goaltending Consultant carried the following job description: “Scout young talent in every corner of the world so we don’t have to use high draft picks on goaltending, recruit free agent talent that looked up to you because they learned the position at one of your many camps, develop talent quickly and create dependable starters and backups out of whatever we give you and squeeze dominant playoff performances out of goaltenders who have never seen the postseason before.”

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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

The interesting thing to me, though, is the more I think about the Reimer/Gustavsson situation, the less I think that angles can be taught effectively at the NHL level.

But additionally, when do you stop being a “mentee” of your goalie coach? Is Bryzgalov technically an Allaire goaltender?

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by Bower Power on Mar 17, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

don't forget

David Aebischer and Peter Budaj!!

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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

GREAT WIN LAST NIGHT !

For Maple Leaf Fans ! A Maple Leaf win is almost like Hitting a Hot Looking Chick !

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by FLYERROB on Mar 17, 2011 11:45 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Hey now, Leafs fans don’t hit women. They only do that in Philly!

Kidding, I know what you meant :)

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by nolan_21 on Mar 17, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or in Hollywood night clubs. (Allegedly)

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by SkinnyFish on Mar 17, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can of worms

Dangerously close to opening it, you are.

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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

i’m not sure it’ll ever be safe to talk about komi-gate again.

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by daoust on Mar 17, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

The fallout was unreal.

Best not to touch it with a 10 foot pole.

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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Unreal is a good way of putting it.

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by PPP on Mar 17, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

We

should just back away from this thread slowly… and go back to a different one.

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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ok Tag It, Wax it, Laying the big Pipe, Tearing it up, Bang It, Screw it, Sticking it, making her walk like she just rode a Harley Davidson over a bad potholed filled country road for 5 hours straight, .. Whatevea ! You get my Point

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by FLYERROB on Mar 17, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Best.

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by SkinnyFish on Mar 17, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow.

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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha awesome.

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by nolan_21 on Mar 17, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Im all over it like a fat kid on cake ....

Or like a FAT Girl on BILL CLINTON YO !

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by FLYERROB on Mar 17, 2011 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good News: No Vokoun. Bad News: CLEMMENSEN!!!! (*Shakes fist in the air)
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J.s giguere vs scott clemmensen tonight in florida

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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 12:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Just have to hope it’s the Clemmensen from Feb. 1. 4-3 shootout loss with a .880 save %

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by Evening News Team on Mar 17, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

CURSE THAT CLEMMENSEN

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by JP Nikota on Mar 17, 2011 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’s the one that started the playoff absence streak, right?

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by Leafer87 on Mar 17, 2011 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

No the first year we were eliminated by Martin St. Louis

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by clrkaitken on Mar 17, 2011 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Florida will ice roster that includes 10 players recently summoned from AHL

Everything about this eerily screams ‘game that should be an easy win, so it’ll end up being a bad loss.’ I really hope it’s not true.

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by FiftyMissionCap on Mar 17, 2011 12:04 PM EDT reply actions  

I’m actually more scared about this one than I was the CAR one. Those AHLers will be playing for roster spots next year. I sense an entire team with the eagerness of Darryl Boyce.

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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

A week ago, I said to myself “the Leafs will probably life our spirits with a huge win against Carolina, and then proceed to lay an egg against Florida.”

The prophecy has become half true so far. I’m scurred.

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by FiftyMissionCap on Mar 17, 2011 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Keep in mind Florida was icing an AHL team before they called up 10 players.

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by Ubiquitous on Mar 17, 2011 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Playing down to a team can be a dangerous thing…

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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

they really aren't that weak

they’ve got Weiss, Booth, Matthias, Skille, Samsonov, Bergfors…. Samsonov has 5 points in 8 games, and Bergfors has 4.

Wideman, Kulikov, Allen, and Ellerby still on D… and Vokoun in net… we shouldn’t be taking them lightly at all.

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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

HennyTweets‎

J.s giguere vs scott clemmensen tonight in florida

Also, didn’t they trade both Wideman and Kulikov before the deadline?

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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’d almost rather Vokoun started than Clemmensen. He clearly cannot be trusted.

by Self Destructive Zones on Mar 17, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh shit

wideman went to Washington… forgot that… but Kulikov is still on Fla I believe

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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

You’re right, I was thinking of Frolik.

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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wideman and Allen are gone

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by leafer1984 on Mar 17, 2011 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

allen too?

jebus… ok maybe their D is swiss cheese then.

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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

who are their top 6 D now?

Kulikov and Ellerby… and who else?

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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

ok looked it up

should have done that sooner

Anyway… Kulikov is playing the most minutes, followed by Mike Weaver, Jason Garrison, Joe Callahan, Keaton Ellerby, and Clay Wilson. They’re very young and inexperienced.

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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

http://www.nhl.com/scores/htmlreports/20102011/ES021047.HTM

from Tuesday vs Flyers

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by leafer1984 on Mar 17, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

yep

that’s where I looked… thanks though.

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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Weiss

has 3 goals and 3 assists in his last 8 games since the deadline, Booth has 4 goals and 2 assists…

They’re not exactly not scoring.

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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

The counterpoint is

They’ve lost 6 of 8 in March, and 9 of 13 in February.

They’re not exactly not losing either.

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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jus tsaw the videos from Jake Gardiner and WIll Acton

Gardiner looks like Mikey from Recess and is 100x more Awkward then Phil and Will Acton looks like a rat. a greasy drowned rat.

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by thenumber14 on Mar 17, 2011 12:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Oh wow, Gardiner does look like Mikey. Best.

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by SkinnyFish on Mar 17, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

the resemblance is uncanny.

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by thenumber14 on Mar 17, 2011 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

And he’s got the 1000 yard stare. Hilarious.

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by SkinnyFish on Mar 17, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Early nickname material: Recess, Mikey, Prince

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by thenumber14 on Mar 17, 2011 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Has Reimer bought Wilson another year behind the bench?

by A Lindros Jaw on Mar 17, 2011 12:24 PM EDT reply actions  

IMHO Yes.

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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Unless there’s someone available that Burke really wants, and/or Wilson actually wants to step down. Otherwise it’s hard to argue with his progress since the beginning of 2011.

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by daoust on Mar 17, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's "supposed" to be good with younger players too, right? (from what I've read, no fact supporting - sorry)

Well you couldn’t ask for a better chance to make your mark on young players than right now.

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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think you can look at a lot of the players’ development and say that Wilson must be doing something right with the kids or he’s super lucky.

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by PPP on Mar 17, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well

I don’t think he’s done anything right or wrong with the goalies particularly, but I think he needs to do some more work on the defensive side of things.

The number of shots against is creeping up again… and his systems defensively don’t seem so stellar to me now that the age of the D has dropped.

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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

He has done the “right” thing and gone with Reimer night-in night-out giving the Leafs the best chance to win… but actual development of the goalie skills… nah that’s for Allaire.

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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

What are you noticing that’s different?

We’re playing with the lead more since Reimer arrived. That would partially explain the increase in shots.

And Chances Against haven’t increased proportionately with the increase in Shots Against? Meaning opposition is mainly adding low-success rate shots instead of waltzing into high-scoring areas.

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by clrkaitken on Mar 17, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Which may be increasing Reimer’s sv % more than, say, Giguere or Gustavsson.

More shots, but not (proportionally) more chances = sv % goes up

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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, because I doubt his job (from Burke’s perspective) was ever in jeopardy anyways

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by clrkaitken on Mar 17, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

TSN reports Pacioretty will be able to resume training, with contact, in 3-5 weeks. Good to hear he’s recovering well.

by Self Destructive Zones on Mar 17, 2011 1:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Good news, indeed.

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by JP Nikota on Mar 17, 2011 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Whew

but it seems pretty early afterwards to make such a timeline.

Makes you worry more about Crosby, who has been given no such timeline.

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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah that is troubling. Particularly so when a lot of the initial outlook for Pacioretty was so grim.

by Self Destructive Zones on Mar 17, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

But from what I’ve read Pacioretty’s said he isn’t suffering any serious concussion symptoms. So it could be he basically just has to wait for the fracture to heal up. Crosby’s problem on the other hand is definitely post-concussion, which from my understanding can be a very slippery, lingering thing to deal with and not really given to “you’ll be out for 6 weeks” type of diagnosis. It’s encouraging to see that he’s started light training again though. Hopefully neither of them will try to rush things out of frustration or pressure to get back for the playoffs.

by Krtek on Mar 17, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

also, the pens are being super extra mega crazy extra cautious too, since it’s crosby, if it was just some plug, he’d probably be back already

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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 17, 2011 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sad but true.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 17, 2011 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep. I wish I thought that some kind of deep lesson had come out of Marc Savard’s situation, but really you’ve got to think the different standards for superstars don’t just apply to supplementary discipline.

by Krtek on Mar 17, 2011 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wouldn’t you be? They’ve got to think about the next 20 years for Crosby, not just the remainder of the season.

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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh I don’t blame them, it’s just sad that everyone doesnt get that treatment when their long term health is involved

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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 17, 2011 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

ditto

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by Leafer87 on Mar 17, 2011 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Took me so long to Z to the bottom of this, man you’re chatty today.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 17, 2011 1:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Wake up earlier.

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by thenumber14 on Mar 17, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wait

wake up earlier

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by thenumber14 on Mar 17, 2011 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Shift-A

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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Mar 17, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

As a member of this blog and actual Leafs fan I feel it necessary to read what other people say as opposed to troll about the Bruins and Wild.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 17, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

He knows what he did.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 17, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dunno, I’ve been getting a lot of troll comments lately. I don’t think I’m trolling any more than I ever was. Is this just a fun meme or are you guys getting burned out and turn on the outsider or what?

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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Mar 17, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think its because I started calling you it.

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by leafer1984 on Mar 17, 2011 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think that counts as “fun meme,” then. I’ll ignore it, carry on.

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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Mar 17, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Troll

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by clrkaitken on Mar 17, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fun meme. Wernstrom!

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 17, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I also never saw you actively rooting against the Leafs until TBL game either. Just the usual tongue-and-cheek “I love Toskala as a goalie” comments.

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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

But I did that over at Raw Charge and because I was actually rooting for Tampa. Hard to hate on St. Louis, Stamkos, Ritola….

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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Mar 17, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Troll.

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by thenumber14 on Mar 17, 2011 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

OK Guys enough with calling him a troll. I did it as a joke a few times. Give it a rest. COrny is a good dude.

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by leafer1984 on Mar 17, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Troll

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by clrkaitken on Mar 17, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

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by PPP on Mar 17, 2011 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hoglund

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by leafer1984 on Mar 17, 2011 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh you

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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Mar 17, 2011 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Troll

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by Chemmy on Mar 17, 2011 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

TroLOLL

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by SkinnyFish on Mar 17, 2011 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well played

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by leafer1984 on Mar 17, 2011 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

You mean, CorneLOLius?

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 17, 2011 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Copy cat

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by leafer1984 on Mar 17, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

There was a delay in posting the comment, like when soccer players are touched and then fall down.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 17, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

failed joke
/smug

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by leafer1984 on Mar 17, 2011 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I regret nothing.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 17, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Corny isn’t italian

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by leafer1984 on Mar 17, 2011 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

True story

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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Mar 17, 2011 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

It still hurt, right here.

/points to my soul.

I’m obviously just busting your balls.

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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

With regards to the above conversation where PPP is being compared to Hoglund,

It’s funny, because I was just pondering the other day which of the current Leafs my own play is most similar to. It should go without saying that I’m only thinking about style of play, and not level of play, but I feel I need to point out that out just to be clear.

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by JP Nikota on Mar 17, 2011 2:20 PM EDT reply actions  

The funny thing is,

I’ve never been a big Kessel fan. I mean, he scores 30 goals a season for the Toronto Maple Leafs, so really, I’m a gigantic Kessel fan, but he’ll probably never hold the same place in my heart that a lot of our former goalscorers did.

But I realized that of all the Leafs, that’s how I played the game. Very similar style of play. It made me like him just a little bit more.

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by JP Nikota on Mar 17, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

When I was young

(and I mean like 16 years old), my parents never had the money or time to let me play for the local AAA team, so I wound up playing on some teams where I was easily one of the best players.

As I was packing up for Vietnam, I stumbled across an old sheet of paper on which the coaches (of what I think was a house league team – so nothing to actually brag about) had tabulated everyone’s scoring totals for the year. In something like 40 games, I had 50 goals, and 9 assists.

So now I’m curious. Who do you play like?

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by JP Nikota on Mar 17, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have never played hockey before and can barely skate, so somewhere above Lebda and Komisarek but below Shoestorm.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 17, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but see, there, you’re also talking about overall level of play, and not just comparable styles.

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by JP Nikota on Mar 17, 2011 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Brown/Crabb/Boyce – full on dump and chaser, use my size, try to stand in front and occasionally out of nowhere a little skill emerges. Occasionally.

by blindfolded tank driver on Mar 17, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

4th line should equal

Heart + Cheap + Not defensive liabilities. That’s it.

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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think having a fourth line that can play more than 4-5 minutes a night is also pretty key.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 17, 2011 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Any 4th line CAN play more than that, but should they?

Not if you have better options on lines 1-3.

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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well I mean it keeps you top players rested and you don’t have to shorten the bench late in the game.
Does anyone have the shift length stats from last night, seems like they were taking short short shifts.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 17, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ya obviously they should play to keep the scorers rested, but expecting significant point production from 4th lines is meaningless.

I think there was a post last year here on PPP (I did a search, couldn’t find it) that 4th lines, regardless of team or year, provide statistically insignificant production to games.

That of course doesn’t include non-point production benefits, i.e. PK time, faceoff %s, physicality, forecheck, etc.

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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

They become important in games where the teams’ top lines effectively neutralize each other, or if they score at the same pace. If your backup guys are better than their back up guys, that’s a decided advantage.

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by T is for Truculence on Mar 17, 2011 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

If your backup guys are better than their back up guys, that’s a decided advantage

While that sounds logical and correct, I really don’t know if that’s true in a “statistically significant” way. Cheapness should dominate in aggregate on the 4th line and spend the cap space on more value-added assets. My opinion anyway.

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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I blame it on the salary cap. Parity is for losers

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by T is for Truculence on Mar 17, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess I'm thinking mostly by example

As a player, would I rather have Manny Malhotra ($2.5M) over Tim Brent ($0.5M)? Yes.

Would I rather have Tim Brent and spend the extra $2M on a Top line fwd? Yes.

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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Malholtra is a guy that contenders can have the luxury of overpaying for.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 17, 2011 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Vancouver would be over the salary cap if it hadn’t had so many injuries on defense, so if that hadn’t happened they would have had to make a hard choice to dump salary during the year.

A cheap 4th line gives flexibility.

Ya we’re not really arguing, I’m thinking mostly for the Leafs – Brent, Boyce, Brown is exactly the type of cheap, 4th line guys I think we need.

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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually it’s impossible for them to be over the salary cap because of IR or LTIR because you can only replace, not exceed.

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by SkinnyFish on Mar 17, 2011 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

/semantic'd

Yes, I did mean that if all their players were healthy, they would have salaries of their roster players that would have exceeded the limit.

However, they were able to use the LTIR to replace the salaries of the d-men who were called up to replace Salo, etc.

Had Salo not been injured near the start of the season and their entire roster was healthy they would have needed to demote a player or move a body.

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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Had Salo not been injured near the start of the season and their entire roster was healthy they would have needed to demote a player or move a body.

Well duh. They’re carrying 10 defensemen right now because of injuries. They absolutely wouldn’t do that if they were all healthy, nor could they based on roster limits.

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by SkinnyFish on Mar 17, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right, I don’t expect them to put up points, but I also expect them to not give up too many goals.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 17, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

don’t we need stats to back this up?

by Nigel Cadbury on Mar 17, 2011 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tomas Kaberle.

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by birky on Mar 17, 2011 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m Luke Schenn all the way. Would be more like him if they allowed checking in my men’s league.

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by SkinnyFish on Mar 17, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kaberle with Schenn’s shot-blocking.

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by clrkaitken on Mar 17, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nameless 5/6th d-man who hits, shot blocks, slides and is shit offensively

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by leafer1984 on Mar 17, 2011 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hahahah so brutally honest.

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by JP Nikota on Mar 17, 2011 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

To be honest about myself, though

I probably scored half my goals on breakaways. Floater. I knew I was faster than anyone in the league, and I’d just pester the hell out of any D-man I could find until he coughed up a puck and I was off to the races.

I’ve never had a laser of a shot (my wrister’s not bad), but I had a pretty good backhand.

Also, I was way too small to play anything but wing, and later on, as lots of kids had late growth spurts, I started to get freight trained more and more.

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by JP Nikota on Mar 17, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

True Story

I’m 25 and I had a growth spurt last year. Mind you it was a shoulders/chest one, but I added an inch onto my height.

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by thenumber14 on Mar 17, 2011 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well yesterday was my 25th birthday. Damn.

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by JP Nikota on Mar 17, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m 3 months away from 25, but same difference

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by thenumber14 on Mar 17, 2011 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

and tahts in ball hockey, I dont play ice hockey.

When my friends and I played, I just sat back and played D. If it was a 1 on 1, I put my forearm into their chest and drove them wide.
Only equipment was shin pads and gloves

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by leafer1984 on Mar 17, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I only play ball hackey as well. damn lithuanian dad making me play basketball instead of hockey.

When I do play, I’m the low-skill annoying 3rd/4th line grinder. I’ll occasionally make a nice play, but most of the time I’m just trying to out-hustle my fat friends. Mike Brown-ish maybe?

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by daoust on Mar 17, 2011 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sounds like a good comparison to me.

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by JP Nikota on Mar 17, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

2 things:

I have only ever met one lithuanian person, this girl I went on one date with

damn lithuanianitalian dad making me play basketball soccer instead of hockey.

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by leafer1984 on Mar 17, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I play like Colby Armstrong, good on the boards, stands in front of the net and bangs in rebounds, Has a somewhat okay shot.

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by thenumber14 on Mar 17, 2011 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

And you fall down a lot?

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by clrkaitken on Mar 17, 2011 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I piss a lot of people off by not allowing them to do what they’re trying to do.

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by thenumber14 on Mar 17, 2011 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s a fun role to play.

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by JP Nikota on Mar 17, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m less of a talking pest and more of a get in your way, make your life difficult pest.

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by thenumber14 on Mar 17, 2011 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

MacArthur, random fancy moves, prone to spazing out and beating the hell out of people

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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 17, 2011 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

YOU SPAZ OUT NO WAY

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by leafer1984 on Mar 17, 2011 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

so with all the falling down, i guess that makes you armstrong?

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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 17, 2011 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hate you

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by leafer1984 on Mar 17, 2011 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m probably a Darryl Boyce. I suck, but I try hard.

by Papa Squid on Mar 17, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Like a full right poor, poor man’s Pekka Rinne. Very active hands, 6’3" so no slouch in size.

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by Bower Power on Mar 17, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

From Bozak on Twitter:
Bozie42 Tyler Bozak
Happy St Paddys day everyone! Hope your all enjoying the day and havin a couple green beers!

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by JP Nikota on Mar 17, 2011 2:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Green beer is for Frat Boys, Irish Car Bombs is where it’s at.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 17, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Both are great and horrible in different ways.

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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s funny you say that, because I was just going to make a comment how this tweet sounds like a frat boy’s. But a lot of guys who play hockey just sound like frat boys all the time anyway.

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by JP Nikota on Mar 17, 2011 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

dude, I scrolled through the gameday thread before bed yesterday. your all caps were killing me. happy bday.

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by daoust on Mar 17, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I once saw him pry a baby raccoon off a tree with his bare hands.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 17, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

No lie.

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by JP Nikota on Mar 17, 2011 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

We also once picked up a snake from the ground walking home from a party one night, good times.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 17, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, we’ve been pretty fortunate in our drunken encounters with wildlife.

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by JP Nikota on Mar 17, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also

I still have the drunk podcast we attempted a while back. I’ve never listened to it.

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by JP Nikota on Mar 17, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Man it must be just terrible.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 17, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ve briefly considered posting it here just for humor’s sake, but it’d take some heavy editing just to bring it into the realm of comprehensible.

I think most of it’s about when we’re going to trade Tomas Kaberle.

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by JP Nikota on Mar 17, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

And a running list of what we had to drink that night.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 17, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh yeah

Dave Chapelle would be proud.

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by JP Nikota on Mar 17, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love that this is a plural

I dunno if I’d risk getting plastered in Vietnam. The fauna’s…decidedly more exotic (read: unpredictable) isn’t it?

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by T is for Truculence on Mar 17, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, I suppose

But I’m in Hanoi Rock City. The only animals that can survive in this city are rats and humongous bugs.

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by JP Nikota on Mar 17, 2011 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Are you going to see Dylan in Ho Chi Min City?

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 17, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Probably not.

Saw him once already, and it was probably the worst thing I’ve ever seen.

But who knows, it’s really cheap to take a train down to HCMC.

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by JP Nikota on Mar 17, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, just seems like HOLY SHIT BOB DYLAN IS PLAYING IN VIETNAM you should probably be there.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 17, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Backstreet Boys are coming to Hanoi

Tickets are like $10.

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by JP Nikota on Mar 17, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

1970 America just had its mind blown.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 17, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

It would be absolutely hilarious to go, but I suspect the missus might actually want to see them for non-ironic reasons, so maybe I don’t want to go down that road.

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by JP Nikota on Mar 17, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

GChat.

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by JP Nikota on Mar 17, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh my God, they’re back again.

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by SkinnyFish on Mar 17, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

BSB!

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by Leafer87 on Mar 17, 2011 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks, daousty.

It was pretty damn good evening, I’ve got to say.

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by JP Nikota on Mar 17, 2011 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is very true, I feel like I would probably hate most hockey players if I knew them on a personal level.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 17, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

It would be an incredible night to get wasted with a lot of the young players on the Leafs – many of whom are right around our ages – but I think to sit down and be forced to have a conversation with a lot of them about something that wasn’t hockey would probably be painful.

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by JP Nikota on Mar 17, 2011 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 17, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wonder if Bozak, Stalberg and Hanson miss the Frat Pack.

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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bozak’s 24, has lots of money, is a part of a team for which being a member is probably something like being in a frat, and he’s from the middle of nowhere in Saskatchewan. He probably loves swilling Coors and saying “fuckin’ eh” every ten seconds.

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by JP Nikota on Mar 17, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Zigomanis' twitter
mikezigomanis:

bozie,, if he stands on his wallet RT @Ruhana_ who do you think is taller @jlupul or @mikezigomanis or @Bozie42

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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rip-off of a Theo Fleury joke.

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by JP Nikota on Mar 17, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I bet he enjoys getting into every club on Richmond

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by T is for Truculence on Mar 17, 2011 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ve ran into him at the madison in the preseason

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by thenumber14 on Mar 17, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha Madison was great times in University

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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

From Brent on Twitter
Brenter37 Tim Brent
Someone have a couple green beers for us, and we will work on a couple points for all of us tonight in FLA! Happy St. Paddys Day! Cheers!

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by thenumber14 on Mar 17, 2011 2:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Looks like the boys are in a good mood. Hopefully good mood transfers into good hockey*.

*I have no stats to prove that this is true.

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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

winning

does breed confidence and confidence should breed more success… as long as it’s followed by effort and execution rather than resting on one’s laurels.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

In other news, my work bought us a ton of beers for the end of day. goodbye productivity.

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by thenumber14 on Mar 17, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Where do you work

And can you please send me the address?

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by JP Nikota on Mar 17, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

An Ad agency.

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by thenumber14 on Mar 17, 2011 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

So it’s exactly like Mad Men then?

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 17, 2011 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

everything

about Mad Men is 100% reality except they smoke in offices less now.

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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Keyword: Less

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by thenumber14 on Mar 17, 2011 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gods among men.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 17, 2011 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I should have went to that field. I love to smoke and drink

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by leafer1984 on Mar 17, 2011 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Which reminds me, don’t watch The Adjustment Bureau unless you want to feel like you’re watching Roger Sterling chase Matt Damon through the Matrix.

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by clrkaitken on Mar 17, 2011 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

That sounds awesome!

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 17, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s … bizarre.

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by clrkaitken on Mar 17, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

They all have nice hats though.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 17, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

A guy

recommended that movie to me very firmly last Saturday… I do not know the guy who made the recommendation in the slightest… and I don’t see any reason to respect his opinion… but he loved it.

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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Judging by the trailer alone

That movie looks totally stupid. That said, I don’t like that many movies.

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by JP Nikota on Mar 17, 2011 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pretty much, my works even comes complete with a rooftop patio.

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by thenumber14 on Mar 17, 2011 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m in the wrong field.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 17, 2011 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I knew i wanted to do this before i learned about the free booze and parties. it was just a natural decision after that.

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by thenumber14 on Mar 17, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just sayin

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 17, 2011 3:22 PM EDT reply actions  

I’m going to go ahead and steal this.

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by T is for Truculence on Mar 17, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Please do.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 17, 2011 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

me too

This is awesome

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by Leafs_fan_in_Van on Mar 17, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

To be fair I stole it from I love Charts on Tumblr, which is also awesome.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 17, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fuck you that’s how discussions are carried out. I have my own method for discussions and will continue to follow it blindly.

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by SkinnyFish on Mar 17, 2011 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can you envision anything that will change your mind on this topic?

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 17, 2011 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

All signs point to no

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by T is for Truculence on Mar 17, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good luck with that one chief.

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by SkinnyFish on Mar 17, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Consult the flowchart.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 17, 2011 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

in reference to the flowchart

why is it that I’m the one verifying things one way or another…

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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Beats me, I just saw it in my Tumblr feed and thought it was useful.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 17, 2011 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

it is

and I’m glad we can have this rational discussion about it…

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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sure can!

I wasn’t involved in the earlier discussion but it seems like your skepticism came off as being more dismissive than you intended.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 17, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes well

people take things personally… c’est la vie.

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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is also part of the problem.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 17, 2011 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

rather than take it personally

I just went and surfed through play-by-play logs to get some information to back up one side or another. Pissing contests without concrete info don’t get us far is something I think I’m going to keep working at preventing.

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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Would love to see the numbers.
Also hasn’t Phaneuf himself said he isn’t doing anything differently?

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 17, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes

repeatedly… and I just explained some of it below.

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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

the first couple years after the lockout, Mats used to say things like ’we’re going to be a pretty hard team to beat’ , even though he knew the team was shit and it wasn’t true.

I put virtually no stock in what athletes say in an interview.

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by daoust on Mar 17, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's fine

but if the stats match what he’s saying I’m not sure why we’d disbelieve him.

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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

The best discussions occur when both parties believe they themselves are having a rationale debate and the other party is not.

by jeffgm on Mar 17, 2011 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ok

Early results of my 30 minute exploration into Phaneuf’s recent offensive play.

In the last 25 games, he has fired 85 Slap Shot attempts, and 83 Wrist/Snap Shot attempts.

The Slap Shots have been on net or blocked a total of 60 times, the Wrister/Snap shots have been on net or blocked 71 times.

He misses the net less with the Wrist/Snap shot obviously, but it doesn’t seem like he’s consistent game to game… overall I’ll acknowledge he IS using his wrist shot more, but in some games he gets slap happy and goes nuts… to wit in the 3-0 loss to Montreal, he fired 7 slap shots, and 1 wrist shot. The last time we beat the Isles he fired 6 slap shots and 2 wrist/snap shots. He’s improving… finding more balance.

I’ll acknowledge now that I’ve actually seen the information over the longer term that he is shifting his attempts… and he’s missing the net less often as a result which is good. He still gets his shot blocked a lot though… his wrister/snap shot gets blocked at almost exactly the same frequency as it hits the net.

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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 3:30 PM EDT reply actions  

ok I'm going to have to revise this

My logic was a bit flawed… I’m just assuming on the basis of the last 25 games and the even values that he’s using his wrist/snap shot more than he was before.

Unfortunately using the season data from BtN on shot type, that doesn’t make sense. If he was even recently, but had way more slap shots earlier in the season, then the numbers should still have the shift towards slap shots… but they don’t.

That means he isn’t significantly changing what types of shots he’s taking… using that information.

I’m going to scour his whole season and get the full picture, but at this point I don’t think his game has shifted that noticeably.

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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Have you considered doing this kind of research before telling people – in all caps– that something they think they have observed is definitively not happening?

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by daoust on Mar 17, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

yep

I have… and part of the reason I don’t is I’m lazy at times.

I’m not trying to offend people, but I seriously haven’t seen a major shift in his game, and I’m the one doing the work to look it up and prove things one way or another… so far it’s not shifting drastically one way or another… but i’m only through 25 games… I’ll have it done before tonight’s game.

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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

And I respect you for doing all that legwork.

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by T is for Truculence on Mar 17, 2011 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also, unless they keep data on shot speed, there will be no way to verify my (and others) claim that he seems to be taking a bit off his slapshot more regularly than he did in the first half of the season.

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by daoust on Mar 17, 2011 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bring back the glow puck?

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by SkinnyFish on Mar 17, 2011 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or we somehow incorporate the speedometers they have in the EA games

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by T is for Truculence on Mar 17, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

O_o

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by SkinnyFish on Mar 17, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

So useful.

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by T is for Truculence on Mar 17, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh, you silly Americans

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by daoust on Mar 17, 2011 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you

can tell the difference between a 95 mph slap shot and an 85 mph slap shot you are a human radar gun… or perhaps you play baseball at a high level.

I can’t see a significant difference myself at full speed on TV watching a game… but that’s just me.

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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

That or he has the glow puck technology from the 90s. (As skinny just mentioned)

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 17, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

only on his TV?

unlikely.

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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I fully admit that it’s impossible to verify, but to me, it seems like there have been less high and wide screamers the last 20-25 games. The only reason I can assume that is happening is that he has changed something about the way he is shooting, most likely how hard he is shooting. It does not seem reasonable to assume that he is using the exact same strength and technique, but somehow, magically, the physical response of the puck to the stick changed and they are now less errant.

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by daoust on Mar 17, 2011 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

In the last 25 games

he’s fired 85 slap shots on goal… and he’s missed the net with 25 of them, or had them blocked 25 times… he’s only hit the net with 35… I don’t know that that’s a huge improvement, but I don’t think it is particularly.

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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Missing the net low and 6 inches wide is different than missing it ponikarovsky-style 3ft high and wide.

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by daoust on Mar 17, 2011 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sometimes players aim wide of the net…

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by leafer1984 on Mar 17, 2011 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

They only say that when it results in a goal, naturally

“Oh that? I meant to do that.”

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by T is for Truculence on Mar 17, 2011 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Plus I think once a player scores a few goals people tend to ease up on them a little and don’t notice the flaws as much as they do when they’re struggling.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 17, 2011 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

ok

I’m going to finish going through the full season of Phaneuf’s games and see what trends are observable… if I have time I’ll even go back and include his games from last year… but till then I’m going to put my half of the debate on hiatus.

I’d rather just know at this point.

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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

From jonas 640
Jonas Gustavsson expected to serve as the back-up to J.S. Giguere tonight. First start for Giguere since February 16th.

GOOOD!

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by leafer1984 on Mar 17, 2011 3:47 PM EDT reply actions  

I'd rather see those reversed

and Giguere hasn’t looked that great since he’s come back.

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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Giguere saturday? eh? eh?

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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Mar 17, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

doubt it

but who knows.

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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

NO

It’s Reim-time vs. either Thomas-time or Tuukka-time.

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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mike Komisarek unlikely to go tonight with lower-body injury. If he’s out, Brett Lebda would take his place.

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by munniec on Mar 17, 2011 3:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Pretty sure you’d be hard pressed to find anyone to disagree with you on that one

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by Leafs_fan_in_Van on Mar 17, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well Lashoff can’t replace two players.

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by T is for Truculence on Mar 17, 2011 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

He just has to replace Komi and Lebda. That’s like replacing half a defenseman.

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by Bower Power on Mar 17, 2011 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Surely we could start the process of another call up.

by jeffgm on Mar 17, 2011 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

We’re down to one or two remaining call ups, and the Marlies may be going to the playoffs. It’s easier to play Lebda.

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by Bower Power on Mar 17, 2011 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think

we’re down to 1.

We burned one when we demoted Aulie to get him on the Clear-Day roster for the Marlies didn’t we?

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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

that'd mean

Aulie, Kadri, Lashoff… we’ve got 1 left.

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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

and on the basis of our injury/D woes

I’d call up Gysbers or Holzer … and hope to survive the end of the year.

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by Steve Burtch on Mar 17, 2011 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gardiner straight to the NHL. DO IT.

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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 17, 2011 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

that’s my understanding as well. We used one on Aulie.

by Nigel Cadbury on Mar 17, 2011 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

No because there is a 4 call up limit now.

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by leafer1984 on Mar 17, 2011 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just have Kulemin play defense tonight.

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