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For some reason (just kidding, we all know why), last night Damien Cox was incredibly aggrieved at the thought that Leafs fans would show Tomas Kaberle some gratitude for his many years of excellent service if not for his willingness to waive his no trade clause. Apparently, the tribute video and cheers work against efforts to make the ACC an intimidating arena. That just shows that on the rare ocassions when he does attend games that perhaps he would be better served to pay attention rather than take dictation in Brian Burke's suite. Then, he had the audacity to complain because Leafs fans booed Tuukka Rask and Zdeno Chara! Imagine that, Leafs fans getting on the opposition to create a hostile atmosphere. How unseemly!

Of course, this prompted one of his classic "Toronto Maple Leafs Fans Are Too Stupid To Live" rants. The messages asking me if I'd seen this latest stupidity started to flood in. In response, I provided a simple piece of advice: Unfollow Damien Cox. It's the same advice that tthe nascent Barilkosphere gave Leafs fans as a way of dealing with Howard Berger's pecial breed of mental deficiency. @aggasC suggested the hashtag and the rest is history.

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The idea of unfollowing Damien Cox struck such a chord that even as it trended in Toronto, Cox himself saw fit to comment:

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Damien Cox doesn't break stories. Damien Cox doesn't attend all of the games. Damien Cox doesn't go to the dressing room. Damien Cox doesn't report the team's personnel moves. Damien Cox doesn't provide game day news. Damien Cox doesn't like Leafs fans. Damien Cox thinks that you are stupid for being a fan. Damien Cox thinks that you are stupid for caring about hockey. Damien Cox thinks you are stupid for cheering for an opponent that wore the jersey with pride for 12 years. Damien Cox thinks you are stupid for booing an opponent. Damien Cox 'breaks' the news that Pat Burns has died without so much as a single phone call to the Burns Family. Damien Cox blames Twitter for repeating his news. Damien Cox doesn't think reporters have hidden agendas. Damien Cox thinks bloggers only have hidden agendas. 

Damien Cox, in short, is the epitome of all that is wrong with sports journalism. He holds the game in contempt, he sneers at its fans, he believes that he is the only truth teller in the business. The funny thing is that opposing fans have started to realise this. While he used to only troll Maple Leafs fans he has most notably expanded his roster to include Vancouver Canucks fans ("Mike Gillis sucks and your franchise is embarrassing"), Washington Capitals fans (he literally wrote a book on trolling Capitals fans), and Toronto Blue Jays fans ("You gotta ask the question and you're all so dumb that you can't understand that I wasn't insinuating that Jose Bautista uses steroids"). Even when you think that he's supporting the Leafs, as when he defends the Kessel trade, he's just looking to troll Boston Bruins fans. And carrying the water for Brian Burke.

There is a certain irony in Cox suggesting that the alternative to his coverage of the Leafs represents 'pablum'. I'd gladly take the pablum of Bruce Arthur, James Mirtle, Eric Duhatschek, Stephen Brunt, and others before subjecting myself to the misplaced haughtiness of Canada's # 1 tennis fan. That's before you get into the bloggers that cover the Leafs and the NHL better than he could ever hope to do. He's constrained not just by word limits but by his own imagination, his lack of desire to provide readers with valuable information, and by his relationship with Brian Burke.

As for the 'campaign' that began as a lark during the second period of last night's game? Well, when the hashtag first made an appearance, Damien stood at 14,793 followers. As of 4:51am:

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That's newly 179 liberated souls that no longer have to deal with Cox's special brand of asinine 'fan interaction'. As an aside, the 'blogger newly dedicated to responsible Twitter use' is a result of the timeout that he took after The Star's legal team read him the riot act for questioning Tyler Dellow's legal ethics when he broke the real story around the Colin Campbell e-mails. But I digress. Whether it's because the passage of time has jaded him or that he can't be bothered to approach his writing with any sort of intellectual honesty and respect for his readers, he's not worth the aggravation. Check out the hashtag on Twitter to see just how much better off you'll be after you cut him out of your life. In short: Unfollow Damien Cox.

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Thanks for the mention (aggasC). #unfollowdamiencox!

by hockeysense on Mar 20, 2011 10:24 AM EDT reply actions  

The gif that keeps on giving.

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by Chemmy on Mar 20, 2011 10:26 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

with it’s flapping head so full of lies

Rule #20

by JaredFromLondon on Mar 20, 2011 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Herpes?

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by Leafswinthecup on Mar 20, 2011 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

In the minutes after this article was made, Damien has lost 12 more followers. This could be very effective.

by hockeysense on Mar 20, 2011 10:30 AM EDT reply actions  

I hadn’t touched my twitter account in like four months but I took the time to unfollow him after I read this.

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by Chris Stoikoff on Mar 20, 2011 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just unfollowed him

I can’t remember why I did follow him in the first place

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by jaysfan100 on Mar 20, 2011 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

You were new to Twitter and unsure of what to do. We all made mistakes in our youth that we aren’t proud of, but fortunately as we get older and mature we are able to make amends for our previous errors. Good on you for doing so.

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by SkinnyFish on Mar 20, 2011 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

i followed simply so I could try and get cox blocked

Rule #20

by JaredFromLondon on Mar 20, 2011 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

My latest: I would #UnfollowDamienCox if I wasn’t already #CoxBlocked.

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by SkinnyFish on Mar 20, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ditto.

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by Doogie2K on Mar 20, 2011 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I followed so I could unfollow .5 seconds later

by Ben Schnell on Mar 20, 2011 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m confused: why would people follow Damien Cox in the first place?

by MrSmithy on Mar 20, 2011 10:37 AM EDT reply actions  

I think it has something to do with consuming copious quantities of alcohol after a Leafs loss, and then making a bad decision on Twitter.

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by CanadianMaple09 on Mar 20, 2011 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Best. Paragraph. Ever.

Damien Cox doesn’t break stories. Damien Cox doesn’t attend all of the games. Damien Cox doesn’t go to the dressing room. Damien Cox doesn’t report the team’s personnel moves. Damien Cox doesn’t provide game day news. Damien Cox doesn’t like Leafs fans. Damien Cox thinks that you are stupid for being a fan. Damien Cox thinks that you are stupid for caring about hockey. Damien Cox thinks you are stupid for cheering for an opponent that wore the jersey with pride for 12 years. Damien Cox thinks you are stupid for booing an opponent. Damien Cox ‘breaks’ the news that Pat Burns has died without so much as a single phone call to the Burns Family. Damien Cox blames Twitter for repeating his news. Damien Cox doesn’t think reporters have hidden agendas. Damien Cox thinks bloggers only have hidden agendas.

by kilowatt44 on Mar 20, 2011 10:43 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

The inside of Cox’s head is exactly as I had envisioned: Air. (Likely poisonous)

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by Bruce McCurdy on Mar 20, 2011 10:47 AM EDT reply actions  

You forget to mention how we’re all cowards for hiding behind “false identities” on the internet instead of using our real names and having our home addresses, cell phone numbers, driver license numbers, birth certificates, heights, weights, ages, major credit card numbers, and latest bank statements available for all to see.

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by SkinnyFish on Mar 20, 2011 10:49 AM EDT reply actions  

… and most importantly, pyjama sizes

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by Bruce McCurdy on Mar 20, 2011 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t know my own pajama sizes. My mom buys those for me and throws them down the laundry shoot for me to wear.

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by SkinnyFish on Mar 20, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh man, i need a laundry chute so bad…

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by Sergei Puckizin on Mar 20, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

most importantly, pyjama sizes

Oh, man, it’s been a long time: JAMMIES! It’s important that we know JAMMIES’ JAMMIES SIZE!

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by jrwendelman on Mar 21, 2011 7:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

I remember that. I was so impressed by PPP’s audacity to shove it back in Cox’s face that I joined PPP. Keep up the good work!

by hockeysense on Mar 20, 2011 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

There’s so much I just realised I didn’t include. His idiotic anonymity arguments, that he had no clue who Kadri was when he got drafted despite him being the Star’s lead hockey writer and Kadri playing on Tavares freaking line, the time he challenged people that argue with him on Twitter to go to his book signing to yell at him and fight, how he trolls Oilers fans by saying that they should have drafted Jeff Skinner instead, and on and on.

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by PPP on Mar 20, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

he's a "character"

sort of like Don Cherry… minus the hockey knowledge.

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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Mar 20, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I think people lend him too much credence by opposing him. He’s not worth following or unfollowing, imo.

But if he wants to call certain factions of Leafs fans idiots, that’s his right. He’s a columnist and his opinions are as valid as anyone else’s. Hell, I could swear I’ve read here how 95% of Leafs fans are idiots when they take to the TSN boards, or when they yell “Shoot!” everytime Phaneuf gets the puck, or when they complain about the Kessel trade or demand the heads of Wilson and Burke.

If Cox wants to call Leafs fans idiots for applauding Kaberle, that’s his prerogative. But if Twitter works like other sites (I honestly don’t know), then how many page hits is Cox getting today by people going there to unfollow him? Just ignore the douche – don’t actively unfollow him if you have ever made the mistake of following him in the past. (Again, I don’t know how these things work. Do people get a text on their phone every time Cox tweets something?)

by Spezzal Teams Playa on Mar 20, 2011 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

He can say what he wants. But if he’s shitting on you, my point is “don’t complain about him shitting on you, just ignore him”.

If you follow him, then you get his tweets in your timeline, and then you get offended. If you don’t follow him AND the people that interact with you don’t follow him then you never have to worry about reading “HEY PPP DID YOU SEE WHAT THAT JERK COX SAID?!?!” because no one will know.

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by PPP on Mar 20, 2011 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well hopefully this campaign is successful and Cox’s followers can be relegated to Caps fans who email Teddy to tell him about the stupid shit that they’ve read. Then again, I’m sure Leonsis is one of Cox’s followers, so he probably reads it all first hand.

So just to clarify, one’s phone doesn’t ring everytime someone makes a tweet, right? Because I hadn’t yet set a different incoming text alert tone on a new phone one time, and I’d be walking through a blizzard and hear my phone ring and dig it out of my pocket, only to see that it was an unimportant text from a friend of mine and not a phone call at all. Needless to say, I’d hate Cox too if one of his Tweets forced me to take off my gloves or dig through my pocket on a crowded subway.

by Spezzal Teams Playa on Mar 20, 2011 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, you can set it up with push alerts I think but you’d be buried under them.

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by PPP on Mar 20, 2011 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

cox sux

While I’m not inclined to head up another petition at the moment (400+ sigs re: Berger’s antics), I absolutely commend you, and all who support the idea of ignoring another arrogant mainstream ‘journalist’, who relies on controversy to to remain relevant. He’s not interesting, enlightened, or otherwise intrinsic to the local sports community, therefore shit-shots and pot-stirring tactics are all he has in order to be noticed.

Hats off to all who send the message to these puffed up self important trolls, and support the alternative sports media community…
Well done guys…

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by OD67 on Mar 20, 2011 10:52 AM EDT reply actions  

Thank ya. And we’ve added your blog to our morning FTB blog roll.

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by SkinnyFish on Mar 20, 2011 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

You left out the time he compared Jiri Tlusty to pedophiles.

by Draglikepull on Mar 20, 2011 10:56 AM EDT reply actions  

That’s the only time I’ve ever written a letter to the editor of a newspaper, and Cox felt the need to smarmily reply to my complaint in his next column.

by Draglikepull on Mar 20, 2011 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bah - forgot to hit reply

Wow. I did not know that. I feel like someone – anyone – here should make a list of things Damien Cox has done, and then forward it to Sportsnet/The Star/TSN.

by hockeysense on Mar 20, 2011 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Jesus

Yeah, there was that ridiculousness too.

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by PPP on Mar 20, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow.

I did not know that. I feel like someone – anyone – here should make a list of things Damien Cox has done, and then forward it to Sportsnet/The Star/TSN.

by hockeysense on Mar 20, 2011 10:58 AM EDT reply actions  

He is down another 14 followers. Out of curiosity – is 14,786 the original number of Damien Cox’s followers before this all started? Because I distinctly remember seeing 14,793 just as this was going down (before the hashtags).

Just for accuracy’s sake.

by hockeysense on Mar 20, 2011 11:04 AM EDT reply actions  

That’s the highest number @CamCharron had but if you saw higher I’ll edit it.

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by PPP on Mar 20, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would be content if he was eventually down to 67 followers.

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by FiftyMissionCap on Mar 20, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

why not aim

for 1967 first… aim for the achievable

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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Mar 20, 2011 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Acceptable.

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by FiftyMissionCap on Mar 20, 2011 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m so committed to #unfollowDamienCox I’m cancelling my subscription to the Star.

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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 20, 2011 11:18 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Well done, buy one for the Globe, Mirtle FTW!

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 20, 2011 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

paying for a subscription

to any paper daily is sort of silly… you can read 99% of their content online.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Mar 20, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mirtle needs scrilla to pay for his Rebecca Black concert tickets!

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 20, 2011 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

the advertising on the globe site

can cover that… papers aren’t funded by subscriptions they’re funded by advertising… the subscriptions translate to advertising… if you read it online you’re having an impact just like you would by subscribing.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Mar 20, 2011 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why you gotta be like that Steve?

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 20, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

hey

you’re the one that included me on your ways to react to a leafs win flow chart… I’m guessing you know the answer ;)

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

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by Steve Burtch on Mar 20, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Any press is good press, right?

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 20, 2011 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

exactly!

of course last night when I said anything on here I suddenly had a bunch of people referring to me as captain buzzkill… who I had never spoken to before… kinda random.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Mar 20, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

You should do one

for a Leafs loss… and then include a column for me again with basically exactly the same flow chart boxes…

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Mar 20, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s a good point.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 20, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s pretty much your default reaction.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 20, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes

caution against getting to high or low… generally speaking.

I’d like to think I’m more optimistic about the general direction of the team than a lot of people… because I actually think the youth on the team is improving, and I like the core Burke is building.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Mar 20, 2011 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

*too

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Mar 20, 2011 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I prefer your reaction to most, maybe if you added some gifs and big fonts?

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 20, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Captain Even Keel sounds nicer.

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by PPP on Mar 20, 2011 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

heck why not

even stephen… lol

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by Steve Burtch on Mar 20, 2011 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

heh

Good point.

You should change your screenname to Even Stephen

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by PPP on Mar 20, 2011 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

and open myself

up to the criticism of the MSM for concealing my identity!?

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

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by Steve Burtch on Mar 20, 2011 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

i’m thinking of signing up on twitter just so i can follow then #unfollowDamienCox

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by kudzupo on Mar 20, 2011 11:19 AM EDT reply actions  

I don't have a twitter account...

so I can’t unfollow him… but I do find all of this amusing.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Mar 20, 2011 11:19 AM EDT reply actions  

Never followed him to begin with, bit I thought about following home just to unfollow him, so I could feel like I helped

by Casey_bat on Mar 20, 2011 11:25 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

If he doesn’t like Leaf fans why the hell is he writing for the Star?

by munniec on Mar 20, 2011 11:31 AM EDT reply actions  

A job is a job.

I’d prefer if our city’s newspapers at least didn’t HATE the fanbase they write for but I guess that’s too much to ask.

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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 20, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

People without Twitter

If you do get twitter, don’t follow cox just so you can unfollow him. Instead, just spread the hashtags #unfollowdamiencox and #coxblox

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by CoolJ90 on Mar 20, 2011 11:32 AM EDT reply actions  

>DamoSpin Idiotic Leaf fans giving standing O to last member of Muskoka 5. These people deserve a loser. And B’s score rihht away. Karma’s a bitch.

This is the post in question. Wtf. How are leafs fans idiots for cheering their highest scoring leaf defenseman since Salming?

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by theninjagreg on Mar 20, 2011 11:36 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

At least the B's didn't win or he'd have a real smug column to "prove" how right he is.

Instead the Leafs pound the Bruins on Kaberle night. Gee Cox, maybe honouring a long-serving veteran and winning NHL games are mutually exclusive things.

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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 20, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

The other thing is, Leafs fans never got a chance to say, “bye.” they finally got that chance. Obviously they are idiots for getting emotionally involved in a game.

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by theninjagreg on Mar 20, 2011 2:55 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Wow. I’m glad I wasn’t following him, ‘cause this comment just makes me mad. What a douche.
If Cox knew anything about Fandom and honour and loyalty he’d understand that not only were most (if not all) Leafs fans looking forward see Kabby back at the ACC – albeit with the Bruins – and were waiting for their chance to show Kabby how much we appreciate all he did in the great Blue and White. And by his reaction Kabby got the message loud and clear. God, I miss him.

by DiaDud on Mar 20, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m taking the campaign one step further. Unfollow Damien Cox, and follow the Large Hadron Collider scientist and TV presenter that had a #1 hit in his spare time (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIj-6fr2SlI), @ProfBrianCox, the better Cox. It’s only a matter of time before he conquers North America.

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by mluk on Mar 20, 2011 11:49 AM EDT reply actions  

Every time I hear about the scientist Brian Cox, I think of the former NFL player Bryan Cox.

by Draglikepull on Mar 20, 2011 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Brian Cox is awesome. He’s so unassuming when he explains astoundingly complicated theories.

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by Kenjamin on Mar 20, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I always think of the actor Brian Cox.

by Shield on Mar 20, 2011 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey Ursula. I’m naked!

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by SkinnyFish on Mar 20, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

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by FLYERROB on Mar 20, 2011 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Okay I had to but…

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by breaklance on Mar 21, 2011 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

My history teacher in 9th grade was named Brian Cox.

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by SkinnyFish on Mar 20, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

The even BETTER Cox....

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by FiftyMissionCap on Mar 20, 2011 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I missed Damien’s alleged insults last night. Where did this happen, how can I see it?

by The Muppet on Mar 20, 2011 12:25 PM EDT reply actions  

 I was expecting a lot worse.

by The Muppet on Mar 20, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s not that it was particularly insult. Just a consistent drum beat that if you are a Leafs fan you are an idiot. If you’re okay with that, that’s your prerogative. This is aimed at the people that take the shit and are bothered by it.

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by PPP on Mar 20, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know that he's saying

all leafs fans are idiots… I think he’s saying the ones that did what he’s bothered by are idiots.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Mar 20, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Basically, unless you are a horrible bandwagon fan, he thinks you’re stupid. That’s us. So he thinks you are stupid and he thinks I am stupid and he can go fuck himself for all I care.

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by PPP on Mar 20, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

alright

I do see him saying that… and I get the reaction… I was to that point with Damien a while ago… he’s a tool and he keeps proving it.

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by Steve Burtch on Mar 20, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I never follow or listen to Cox, or a lot of Toronto media. Spiteful losers who have no idea how to report or get a story. Make up stuff, editorialize, sure. Write a true story based on facts? Grade 9 kids do better.

by dsciswe on Mar 20, 2011 12:27 PM EDT reply actions  

The more I hear about Damien Cox, he seems like Toronto’s Jack Todd. A bitter, hack writer who’s real passion is a sport no one in Canada cares about so he trolls his home team’s fans under the auspices that he actually has some information that fans don’t, when really he’s a blogger with a newspaper pay grade.

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by Andrew Berkshire on Mar 20, 2011 12:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Bingo

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by PPP on Mar 20, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I also noticed he spelt honour wrong.

by munniec on Mar 20, 2011 12:34 PM EDT reply actions  

14,564 and dropping :)

I’d recommend sharing to your facebooks as well – for those of us with 1 twitter follower or less

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by Vitamin_M on Mar 20, 2011 12:35 PM EDT reply actions  

The irony here of course is that everyone will continue to read Cox’s column, if only to be incensed at his perceived audacity. Bear in mind he is not employed by the Leafs; he’s an employee of the Star, the latter of which is not a propaganda tool of the former. Over the last 44 years the Leafs have not exactly been a shining example of a professional sports organization, and generate more negative energy than positive. Reporters report on the dominant facets of a topic. If that facet is negativity, they will point it out. I read his article and there’s actually more positivity toward the Leafs than negativity. As to the idiosyncrasy reference, here’s the definition from Wikipedia:
  Idiosyncrasy, from Ancient Greek ἰδιοσυγκρασία, idiosynkrasía, “a peculiar temperament”, “habit of body” (ἴδιος, idios “one’s own”, σύν, syn “with” and κρᾶσις krasis “mixture”) is defined as an individualizing quality or characteristic of a person or group, and is often used to express eccentricity or peculiarity. The Leaf organization does have a peculiar habit of honouring one of their former own in grand fashion before they’ve even retired or worse, in front of their new team mates before the start of the game. A simple welcome back Kabs would have sufficed, let him stand and acknowledge the crowd and quickly get on with it, then bring him back on a later night without the rest of the B’s to provide a fitting tribute. As to Rask and Chara, I agree, they’re big boys, suck it up.
As to what he would have said on Twitter, I rank that medium up there with other high brow intellectual pursuits such as reality t.v. so I don’t follow it and can’t comment. I have been a die hard Leaf fan my entire life, but I am the first to say they have not, particularly in recent years, warranted a local journalist to act as their cheerleader. When the Leafs become a better team, Cox, Berger et al will report more positively.

by Robert James on Mar 20, 2011 12:41 PM EDT reply actions  

There wasn’t anything for Kaberle before the game except him doing the pre-game faceoff, which was for Barilko…

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by mluk on Mar 20, 2011 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry, I meant the first television timeout tribute which was still just as bad.

by Robert James on Mar 20, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

how is it bad?

who does it hurt? Why does it make MLSE seem pathetic in any way?

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by Steve Burtch on Mar 20, 2011 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I feel

Kaberle is far more deserving of it than most returning Leafs, probably moreso than the likes of Tucker or McCabe for instance… definitely more than Wade Belak… but to bash them for lauding the efforts of “last member of the Muskoka 5” is a bit petty to say the least.

The guy played in Toronto for a dozen years and is one of the top defensemen in franchise history from an offensive perspective and in terms of games played. I think honouring him is the classy thing to do… and Cox seems to be of the contrary opinion.

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by Steve Burtch on Mar 20, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was at McCabe’s first game back and he did not get ny video tribute

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by clrkaitken on Mar 20, 2011 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

interesting

that surprises me

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by Steve Burtch on Mar 20, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

there’s also the irony that ultimately Kaberle DID agree to waive his NTC, and as a consequence we got a decent return for him. His argument is invalid on the face of it.

Move along. Nothing to see here...

by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Mar 20, 2011 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah!

It could just as easily have been a thanks for waiving it.

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by PPP on Mar 20, 2011 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

“A simple welcome back Kabs would have sufficed, let him stand and acknowledge the crowd and quickly get on with it”

It was basically that. They put ‘Thank You Tomas’ on the screen, everyone clapped, he waved, game continues.

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by mluk on Mar 20, 2011 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

You didn’t read the rest of that sentence which read, “…then bring him back on a later night without the rest of the B’s to provide a fitting tribute.” I’m not saying it was wrong to honour him, just the manner in which it was conducted…timing is everything.

by Robert James on Mar 20, 2011 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

that’s when he will get his full fitting ceremony, pre game

Rule #20

by JaredFromLondon on Mar 20, 2011 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, but in the spotlight by himself, not with the rest of the B’s there. Cox is saying that the Leafs constantly do that. If you believe in momentum, how does it help honouring a player now on your opponent’s team before a game? I think that’s what Cox is trying to say.

by Robert James on Mar 20, 2011 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not every player! The guy is among the Leafs ALL-TIME players in GP and Defensemen points. It’s irresponsible not to!

One short slide show during a commercial break in the first period. It hardly affects the outcome of the game at all.

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by Sergei Puckizin on Mar 20, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

to be fair

It’s the same type of fete the Leafs threw at Tucker, Belak, McCabe, etc.

They do it for everyone, not just Kaberle.

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by Steve Burtch on Mar 20, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I remember only Tucker and Sundin for the others. Caber never got one and I don’t remember anything for Bleak?

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by Sergei Puckizin on Mar 20, 2011 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think

Belak was mentioned by Cox… I assumed he had half a clue what he was talking about (ironic in this case).

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by Steve Burtch on Mar 20, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

You think that changes momentum?

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by PPP on Mar 20, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

If anything it worked in the Leafs’ favour. Kabby got choked up, fans got hyper/excited etc, and the Leafs’ responded to it. Yes, Bruins scored right after, but Leafs didn’t break down and responded with a quick 2nd goal. No harm, no foul. I would have been insulted for Kabby if there hadn’t been a message of thanks.

by DiaDud on Mar 20, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

While we’re in totally-unsubstantiated-hypothetical-land, why wouldn’t a rousing tribute to a former player inspire the current Leafs? Why would an increase in arena volume be a negative for their motivation?

Oh, I'm sorry, just one moment. Is this a five minute argument or the full half hour?

by Nirbo on Mar 20, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

A later night? You think the Bruins would be happy to loan him off to his old team for the evening?

Or do you mean after he retires? What’s the issue with having a short “thanks Tomas” in his first game back? $100 that if they didn’t there would be more people upset with MLSE as a “soulless corporate entity that doesn’t care about it’s fans”.

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by Sergei Puckizin on Mar 20, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think the B’s would object to the Leafs paying for a plane ticket to fly to TO when they’re not playing.

by Robert James on Mar 20, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really? In the middle of the NHL season, let alone late in the year during a playoff push?

Yet you think having a quick ceremony during a break in the game is distracting?

My mind = blown

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by Sergei Puckizin on Mar 20, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

That would never happen. He’ll get that kind of treatment when he retires. Same as Mats.

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by PPP on Mar 20, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ok… so they did the simple and quick welcome back like you suggest, and at some point in the future I’m sure he’ll get a proper one, like you suggest. I’m struggling to follow your point.

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by mluk on Mar 20, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

They’ll give him his own night eventually.

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by PPP on Mar 20, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I will be a bawling baby on that night…….. Not any different than when Clark or Gilmour were honoured. Btw has Potvin had his night yet? I hope I didn’t miss it.

by DiaDud on Mar 20, 2011 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think you've missed something

Cox has been a cheer leader for many things Burkiean, what he also seems to revel in is blasting “idiot leaf fans”… not the Leafs themselves.

Nobody is complaining about his harsh coverage of the Leafs, they’re arguing that his assessment of the “idiosyncrasies” of Leafs nation are off base and disrespectful. We know he’s doing it to sell papers, and grab attention, but wtf? He could do that by doing quality work. He comes off as ironically misanthropic – if it weren’t for the people he spends so much time bashing his job would be in question.

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by Steve Burtch on Mar 20, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

and it's not like

he only says this stuff on twitter… he’s devoted entire articles to it on both his blog and in print.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

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by Steve Burtch on Mar 20, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cox is basically a professional troll/contrarian. Tlusty, Bautista, Dellow, etc. He starts pointless controversies to generate interest.

by Draglikepull on Mar 20, 2011 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

they aren't pointless

they’re designed to sell papers… or generate views online… he’s doing his job… and apparently doing it well.

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by Steve Burtch on Mar 20, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes. And the fact we are debating it on here means makes him sadly relevant.

by jeffgm on Mar 20, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

yep

all of this is very ironic. Don’t Follow Cox… the first rule of Don’t Follow Cox should be nobody talks about Cox.

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by Steve Burtch on Mar 20, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fight Cox?

would that make more sense… it’s punnier.

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by Steve Burtch on Mar 20, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Beat Cox

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by clrkaitken on Mar 20, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

winner.

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by Sergei Puckizin on Mar 20, 2011 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cox Fighting?

Move along. Nothing to see here...

by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Mar 20, 2011 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

what is that called when you’re paid to be an ass? Cox…?

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by BlueBuds on Mar 20, 2011 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with what you’re saying, but in fairness, what he says is also representative of the general attitude of many in Canadian pop culture toward Leaf fans. He’s not alone in wondering why Leaf fans continue to take the abuse of MLSE and fill the stands night after night to watch an inferior product, buy the apparel, etc. The disrespect and indifference toward Leaf fans by first Harold Ballard, then MLSE would be manifested in other franchises by empty seats, protest, loss of revenue, etc. While some see this as extreme loyalty worthy of praise, others see it as foolishness. Finally, the Leaf fans’ unswerving loyalty is topical whether we like it or not and it can’t always be portrayed in a positive light.

by Robert James on Mar 20, 2011 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’s not alone in wondering why Leaf fans continue to take the abuse of MLSE and fill the stands night after night to watch an inferior product, buy the apparel, etc.

Because we’re LEAFS FANS not bandwagoners. Only in Toronto are loyal fans criticized for being stupid. Nobody watched hockey in DC before Ovechkin showed up but Caps fans are great, right?

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by Chemmy on Mar 20, 2011 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

they only follow winners!

thus they’re more intelligent than the fans that will actually support a losing franchise… duh.

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by Steve Burtch on Mar 20, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also if we all stopped going we’d be criticized for not sticking with the team.

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by Chemmy on Mar 20, 2011 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

it's a win win

for the journos.

Of course we should all be aware that they’ll sell more papers if they piss us off with what they write.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Mar 20, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

generally speaking

the articles that are being written are preaching to a choir of idiots that actually think Leaf fans are all “sheep” that blindly follow no matter what.

Unfortunately the “average” hockey fan that doesn’t know Keith Aulie from Muhammad Ali is of the opinion that no matter who is in charge the Leafs stink, and no matter what day of the week it is, the Leafs lost last night.

It’s a crying shame, but 95% of the people I over-hear or interact with in hockey discussions have no idea what they’re talking about when it comes to the Leafs… largely because they get their info from the likes of Cox, Berger, et al.

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by Steve Burtch on Mar 20, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wait. Are you saying Keith Aulie and Muhammed Ali are different people???

No. Not even in the face of Armageddon. Never compromise.

by article1 on Mar 20, 2011 2:27 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Different body, same soul.

by Draglikepull on Mar 20, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s a crying shame, but 95% of the people I over-hear or interact with in hockey discussions have no idea what they’re talking about when it comes to the Leafs… largely because they get their info from the likes of Cox, Berger, et al.

Which is the entire point. Those two specifically bring nothing to the table for Leafs fans. Or even hockey fans.

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by PPP on Mar 20, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

True though you and a number of folks in here have an equivalent of a PhD in hockey knowledge. I think most casual fans can better relate to the smooth manufactured talking points of Healy or Cox.

by jeffgm on Mar 20, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, it comes down to free time. The average fan doesn’t devote as much time to hockey as the people here do so it’s easier for them, as you said, to pick up quick talking points.

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by PPP on Mar 20, 2011 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

maybe

if we plan on taking over the mainstream media hockeysphere we should devote more time to quick talking points that are easy for readers/listeners to “grasp”…

hm… of course that would still require us to have mainstream media access… I don’t think our points are that complex (they can be, but they’re not that ridiculously complicated if you take 10 seconds to listen to them).

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by Steve Burtch on Mar 20, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

We need slick graphics as well.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 20, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

like the Cox talking head?

above? cuz that works for me.

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by Steve Burtch on Mar 20, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s definitely a start we could also benefit from a ticker of some kind.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 20, 2011 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

this site

already has one of those…what we need to do is take over a radio or TV station like in UHF or Airheads.

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by Steve Burtch on Mar 20, 2011 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seems like Sportsnet would be the easiest one to overthrow, I’m sure Archie has some detailed blueprints.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 20, 2011 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Now all we need

are plastic uzi water pistols filled with pepper spray (or possibly bear mace).

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by Steve Burtch on Mar 20, 2011 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

We’ll need some ski-masks and grappling hooks.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 20, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

and a mix tape

with a PPP pod cast on it or something.

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by Steve Burtch on Mar 20, 2011 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

With DGB’s appearance on the Agenda and some Bloge Salming/Kessly Snipes videos. Once we’ve maintained control we can starting cranking out the original material.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 20, 2011 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can get bear mace at work!

...rely a bit to heavily on alcohol and irony...

by My Poor Friend Me on Mar 20, 2011 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right, then they feel like their opinion is justified, after hearing some statement on the fan or HNIC. Then you drop actual knowledge and information on them and they clam up promptly.

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by Sergei Puckizin on Mar 20, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep. It’s cyclical. Those people are idiots because they listen to Berger/Cox, who in turn, call them idiots for thinking what they think.

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by FiftyMissionCap on Mar 20, 2011 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

There’s an insane hypocrisy when comparing us to Rider fans, the “loveable losers”. We get LAFFS SUX!

It’s infuriating, mostly because i fucking can’t stand the Riders.

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by Sergei Puckizin on Mar 20, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s not the loyalty that Cox is criticizing, it’s the loyalty in the face of the indifference, disrespect and derision shown by the owners of MLSE.(& Harold Ballard) Leaf fans have never taken a stand against the owner’s arrogance.

by Robert James on Mar 20, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly what would “taking a stand” look like? Flowers in tank barrels?

Oh, I'm sorry, just one moment. Is this a five minute argument or the full half hour?

by Nirbo on Mar 20, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes

It is the loyalty that he is criticizing. How can you suggest otherwise?

And you can’t honestly be comparing MLSE and Harold Ballard can you?

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by PPP on Mar 20, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think MLSE has mis-managed the team at times, but I don’t think they act with “disrespect” or “derision” toward the fans. Of course they want a competitive team; a competitive team wins playoff games, and playoff games in Toronto bring in crazy amounts of revenue.

by Draglikepull on Mar 20, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly. They aren’t good but it’s not malicious like Ballard.

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by PPP on Mar 20, 2011 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

MLSE is stupid. Ballard was downright evil.

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by FiftyMissionCap on Mar 20, 2011 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think MLSE is stupid

it’s just a large organization that suffers from too many cooks being in the kitchen on many occasions. It’s hard to figure out which way to go when you have a gazillion people trying to have input on decisions.

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by Steve Burtch on Mar 20, 2011 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

That, and winning the cup is incredibly hard.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 20, 2011 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

To elaborate on the point I made above: the MLSE structure is stupid. It effectively breeds incompetence for the reasons you stated.

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by FiftyMissionCap on Mar 20, 2011 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

it's not stupid

it’s a mode of corporate governance that limits the control of any one party so as to not take the whole ship down in economic ruin. If you put everything in the hands of one person, then that one person is going to have more room to make decisions that screw things up. It might not make them the most succesful on the ice, but it sure seems to work financially.

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by Steve Burtch on Mar 20, 2011 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love how you just said it wasn’t about loyalty, and then explained how it’s EXACTLY about loyalty.

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by Sergei Puckizin on Mar 20, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

not really

I haven’t seen any evidence of this in other cities… despite the writings of Cox and Berger to the contrary.

It’s like they wish they were leading a charge to the exits, and nobody is following them.

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by Steve Burtch on Mar 20, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Spend 5 minutes in Alberta. This is all they talk about.

They shut up when you start actually discussing Burke’s moves, the team’s record, they’re youth, the successful seasons back in the early ’00s, etc. These guys appeal to the lowest common denominator, with whom I have the pleasure of arguing, regularly.

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by Sergei Puckizin on Mar 20, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

it's funny

why isn’t Edmonton’s Rexall place empty every night then?

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by Steve Burtch on Mar 20, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

they're in last place

last I checked… and many agree that Tambellini is an idiot.

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by Steve Burtch on Mar 20, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right. Your reply to Chemmy above is exactly what i’m talking about. It’s rampant out here.

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by Sergei Puckizin on Mar 20, 2011 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

it's the easiest

way to sell ad time apparently… bash everyone’s favourite punching bag and voila… RATINGS! People love to hear what they already believe.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Mar 20, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’s not alone in wondering why Leaf fans continue to take the abuse of MLSE and fill the stands night after night to watch an inferior product, buy the apparel, etc.

No, he is definitely not alone in having no concept whatsoever what comprises fandom. Most journalists would be bandwagon fans if they even cared about the sport.

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by PPP on Mar 20, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bandwagon fans have stats on their side, after all. Their team has won every President’s Trophy and (after a brief hop over the fence) Stanley Cup since 1986.

Oh, I'm sorry, just one moment. Is this a five minute argument or the full half hour?

by Nirbo on Mar 20, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bingo

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by PPP on Mar 20, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you think Twitter is somehow intellectually equivalent to reality TV, you really need to actually spend some time using Twitter. If you follow interesting people, it’s a constant barage of useful, intelligent, insightful information.

by Draglikepull on Mar 20, 2011 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hm

The medium is the message… unfortunately it’s full of idiots as well as interesting people… and who one finds interesting says something about the one using it? Why are people following Cox in the first place? Just saying.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Mar 20, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry, I don’t find the need to review people’s every waking thought and it also appears to bring out the self agandizing in a lot of people. However, in fairness, it may just be a generational thing on my part.

by Robert James on Mar 20, 2011 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t find the need to review people’s every waking thought

Yeah, you don’t have to follow the kind of people that use it for “just had breakfast!” updates. It’s the quickest source of news from around the world right now and it really is what you make of it. That’s the beauty. If you want to make it smart and informational, you can make it smart and informational. If you want it to be about celebrities, you can make it about celebrities.

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by PPP on Mar 20, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

The real irony is that many people don’t know of Cox’s history of toeing the line between journalistic integrity and fomenting hatred. The list is long but I’ll use recent examples because they are the easiest to follow:
a) Accusing Bautista of taking steroids without any facts or evidence
b) Comparing Tlusty to a pedophile
c) Declaring Pat Burns to have died, then accusing Twitter users to have spread the rumour around instead – he reported Burns to have passed away about ten days (I think) before he finally did.

There was nothing negative of the ACC crowd giving Kaberle a rousing ovation for his contributions in Toronto. How dare the fans celebrate the career of a player who proudly wore the Maple Leaf for twelve years. Damien Cox didn’t report anything last night – he simply choose to use Twitter as a medium to perpetuate his ongoing agenda against Maple Leafs fans. And this isn’t the first time he’s made snide comments about the fans at the ACC. He writes about them in articles, on TV, and his blog. With a broad discriminating stroke, he paints Leafs fans as being undeserving of a winner because they celebrate the development, the nurturing, and the prepubescent growth from teenager to a man that many in Toronto have grown to appreciate for his immense contributions to both team and city.

That’s what being a fan is all about – caring for your own, even if they wear another sweater. Kaberle still deserves our respect.

by hockeysense on Mar 20, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

wow ok I don't know if I want to do this but...

a) He didn’t accuse Bautista of using steroids… he just pointed out the huge jump in his numbers and said it raises the spectre of steroid usage thanks to the environment and culture of the sport he’s plying his trade in… It was neither a shocking question, nor particularly offensive.

b) Comparing a minor to a pedophile is a bit weird I admit… I don’t remember reading it that way, but it was a long time ago.

c) The Pat Burns thing was reprehensible, but it’s also a byproduct of the news cycle driving everyone’s attempts to be a step ahead. Blaming twitter rather than issuing a mea culpa is also amazingly shameless, but overall again, I’m not shocked. Cox is rarely a step ahead, and this was just another example of that.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Mar 20, 2011 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

He raised the question of the legitimacy of Bautista’s numbers, which is in journalist vernacular, tantamount to a conviction.

by hockeysense on Mar 20, 2011 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

again

I’m not sure what he pointed out that wasn’t already obvious… and if we’re arguing over whether or not it’s reasonable to carry out trial by media, then we might as well toss media in general aside (including this blog)… we raise questions all the time, if people interpret things as “conviction” in the court of public opinion that’s on the public.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Mar 20, 2011 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

The problem was the weaselly way that Cox went about it, deliberately avoiding mentioning steroids to protect himself from potential legal fallout, and then pretending afterward that that wasn’t what he said. If he thinks we should question whether or not Bautista is using steroids, then he should just say “Considering the problems with steroids that baseball has had in the past, I wonder if Bautista is using them now.”

by Draglikepull on Mar 20, 2011 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

and if we're talking baseball?

name one major home run hitter of the past decade who isn’t the size of Frank Thomas, David Ortiz, Ryan Howard, or Ken Griffey Jr. who hasn’t had his numbers questioned to some extent. Virtually every major power hitter has faced that sort of criticism. Did we really expect Bautista to escape that type of questioning because he had modified the timing on his swing?

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Mar 20, 2011 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Any player in baseball who has put up significant power numbers will always be accused of having taken steroids. The difference between what most media types do compared to what Cox did is the investigative reporting. Cox offered rhetoric and conjectures. Other media types – specifically Keith Law – use numbers and then investigative reporting to check the validity of the facts. Then they make their accusations.

Richard Griffin made it a point to set Cox straight with a toughly worded article the next day. You’re welcome to go and check it – the difference with Bautista was his swing and comfort – not steroids. Cox should have reported that but choose to go a more salty route.

by hockeysense on Mar 20, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

i read both

at the time… and Cox used the numbers… he just lacked the “investigative journalism” part… but I’m not sure what he was going to do to investigate… asking a bunch of blue jay insiders if he’s taking steroids wasn’t likely to lead us to a smoking gun either way.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Mar 20, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

listen

I’m not trying to defend Cox as a journalist… I think he’s an idiot. I just don’t think everything he does is particularly beyond the pale in the world of mainstream journalism. I’d actually argue that most Journalists aren’t particularly skilled at their craft, which is what sets the good ones apart. This is actually true of most professions in general. I am not of the opinion that most doctors, lawyers, engineers, financiers, CEO’s etc. are all skilled/talented/good at what they do. A lot of people just have a job, and they’re average to below average at it…. if they were all GOOD at that job, then our whole conceptualization of judgement would be flawed… and frankly we’d have nothing to talk about.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Mar 20, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

He gets larger readership

because of where he writes his material. He has “access” to a larger audience than most.

It doesn’t mean he’s inherently good at it.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Mar 20, 2011 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly

If he wrote about the Oshawa Generals no one would read what he writes.

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by PPP on Mar 20, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey, why do you have to hate on the Gens?

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by Sergei Puckizin on Mar 20, 2011 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

heh

I’m just saying that if he was writing for Oshawa’s paper (I assume it’s scrawled on the men’s room’s wall) he wouldn’t be on Sportsnet/TSN

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by PPP on Mar 20, 2011 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

does Oshawa

even have a paper? I mean I’m sure it does… but one that people pay for?

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Mar 20, 2011 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

good god

found it! – The Oshawa Central… check this awesomeness out!

If that doesn’t suit Oshawa (and Damien Cox) I don’t know what does!

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Mar 20, 2011 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

no sports page though

Dont’ know what to make of that… maybe damien should go start one?

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Mar 20, 2011 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oshawa Central? Never heard of it.

I don’t know, I haven’t lived there in 12 years so I couldn’t tell you what they have for a paper nowadays.

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by Sergei Puckizin on Mar 21, 2011 2:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m confused: are you a Cox apologist or am I to assume you’re playing the Devil’s Advocate? Do you not see a pattern of laziness and intentional manipulation of facts and figures on Cox’s part? There’s a precedent of laziness on Cox’s part, and it has everything to do with the fact that people just aren’t aware of his salty journalistic integrity.

by hockeysense on Mar 20, 2011 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

devil's advocate

I’ve ripped Cox many times in the past… I just think the “lazy reporting” you’re on him about is pretty normal amongst the majority of journalists these days.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Mar 20, 2011 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

it's right up there with pseudo-journalistic

marketing campaigns in most of the American media… it’s easy and cheap, so they do it and still make money off it.

It’s just the current status quo I guess.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Mar 20, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

sort of like

SBN making money through advertising off of all the stuff we post on here… easy + cheap = profitable.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Mar 20, 2011 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s not normal at all. I follow journalists like Mirtle, Arthurs, Law, Griffin – just to name a familiar few – because they aren’t lazy. They go look and hunt down the numbers, the information, and the honest truth that lies somewhere between two extremes.

Perhaps the issue is the Toronto Star and Sun as a whole, not the journalists themselves. But Cox is an arrogant pompous ass who deserves nothing less than a severance paycheque and a kick out the door.

by hockeysense on Mar 20, 2011 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

You think

4 represent the majority?

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Mar 20, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I didn’t say that. I said just to name a familiar few.

by hockeysense on Mar 20, 2011 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

also I hate to say this

because I don’t have a huge problem with your list (although Griffin isn’t high on mine),

but Sports Journalists in particular rank pretty low on my list of people to follow after from a writing perspective.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Mar 20, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don’t get me wrong – I follow Sports Journalists more than I do with Political or Current Event Journalists because I’m more involved in one thread of day-to-day life than I am in another.

by hockeysense on Mar 20, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wait… Richard Griffin? Haven’t read him regularly in years… he’s a hack and for a guy that watches baseball as his job, knows surprisingly little about it.

by Papa Squid on Mar 20, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think his contributions are generally solid. Of course, this may lead to a cognitive dissonance between my dislike for Cox and my appreciation for what Griffin has done over the years. I find that Griffin allows for more of a personal touch with his readers by involving them into his work in baseball – particularly with the Jays.

by hockeysense on Mar 20, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is Cox and Star worse than Montreal hockey media?
I thought they were considered worst/most difficult and negative.
I don’t follow media in other cities like phili or boston or rangers to judge them.

by jeffgm on Mar 20, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Philly

has similar issues… Boston Globe… similar problems… NY Post… similar problems… this isn’t confined to Toronto… it’s a common problem.

That’s my point.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Mar 20, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Those other medias don’t troll their own fans. They might be shit but they don’t shit all over their customers.

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by PPP on Mar 20, 2011 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

When in doubt: it’s Devil’s Advocate.

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by PPP on Mar 20, 2011 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah… until you’ve seen Steve tear the shit out of a stat over multiple paragraphs, listing every reason why it’s flawed, and then use that stat in an example the very next thread, you’ll have trouble arguing with him.

Oh, I'm sorry, just one moment. Is this a five minute argument or the full half hour?

by Nirbo on Mar 20, 2011 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

He could have investigated other reasons for a power surge — increased playing time, swing adjustments, whether playing at Skydome increases HRs, even dumb luck — but instead, he chose the most inflammatory possible reason and then when he called on it he claimed he didn’t accuse anyone of anything.

by Papa Squid on Mar 20, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

well

the other stuff had already been covered… we’d heard about the swing adjustments ad nauseum, I think the Homer Dome references have been made for years… none of that would sell more papers.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Mar 20, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cox accused MLSE of mishandling the “pictures of Tlusty kissing another boy!” “scandal”. He said something along the lines of how MLSE must have not learned anything from covering up problems with pedophiles in the past. Which is to say that, essentially, he thought that pictures of men consensually kissing were on the same level as adults raping children.

by Draglikepull on Mar 20, 2011 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

ah ok

I didn’t catch that… and yes you’re right comparing those two is a tad reprehensible. Not exactly socially progressive reporting to say the least. thanks for the reminder.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Mar 20, 2011 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think it was 2 months before Burns had passed away. Either one month or two. (Memory is lacking at the moment).

by DiaDud on Mar 20, 2011 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

“When the Leafs become a better team, Cox, Berger et al will report more positively.”

Will they? The Quinn Era Leafs were pretty good, and it was same old, same old out of that crew… I have very little time for these guys.

BTW, the Toronto Star sports section is a cesspool. They lost my subscription with the “White Jays” controversy a few years back.

by Papa Squid on Mar 20, 2011 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes here at Pension Plan Puppets we’re thrilled with the Leafs’ direction and moves in recent years.

The point is that Cox et al don’t criticize the team they criticize the team’s fans. As fans we’re tired of his schtick. Nobody’s screaming to unfollow James Mirtle when he says that things aren’t going well.

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by Chemmy on Mar 20, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

If a person does not like a product (car maker, a restaurant or your phone provider) than you do not continue to purchase it. I think that is the argument. Though if there is only one provider (like at a time well before cell phones, consumers only had Bell Canada as a choice), it is not realistic to drop Bell Canada and be phoneless. I think he argument is incomplete unless leafs become fans of Sabres or another team which I don’t have interest in.

by jeffgm on Mar 20, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ve never given the Toronto Sun a dollar.

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by Chemmy on Mar 20, 2011 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

You’re smarter than I am. Fuck.

by hockeysense on Mar 20, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

why bother

there’s free newspapers in Toronto that have better writing…

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Mar 20, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

sports franchises

are selling a lot more than the “product” on the ice… as strange as that sounds.

I’m not a Leafs fan because of the current team… I’m a Leafs fan because I’ve been a Leafs fan for 30 years and I’m sort of mentally attached to how the team is doing.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Mar 20, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

look at Football in Europe

if you think teams only sell tickets to games because they win, then 60-70% of the stadiums in Europe would be empty because guess what, most teams have NO hope in hell of winning. Yet fans are amazingly loyal, to the point of killing each other over the sport. it’s about a lot more than wins and losses… despite what Cox thinks.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Mar 20, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right. Fans short for “fanatics”. If we stopped cheering for the Leafs we wouldn’t become Sabres fans; we’d stop watching hockey.

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by Chemmy on Mar 20, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

So some people support the leafs and buy tickets to be “entertained” or for loyalty reasons. And some people buy tickets to leafs to “win”

And so Cox is saying leaf fans are stupid to buy a ticket to be ‘entertained" or because your loyal especially if they can’t make the playoffs?

by jeffgm on Mar 20, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

basically

the only intelligent purchaser from the perspective he’s arguing is the fairweather fan.

The one that only buys tickets to support a winner. He sees it like it’s the stock market. You buy shares on the way up and sell them on the way down… unfortunately sports loyalty is not like the Stock market, and he’s an idiot for thinking this way.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Mar 20, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

The other thing is that the Leafs – and original six team in general – are traditional cultural elements.

by hockeysense on Mar 20, 2011 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess Cox would be correct if franchise revenue was only dependent on winning and playoff success.

by jeffgm on Mar 20, 2011 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

The irony here of course is that everyone will continue to read Cox’s column, if only to be incensed at his perceived audacity.

The idea is that instead of following and reading him just to find an excuse to get offended people will stop.

As for the rest of your comment, I think that you miss the point entirely. It has nothing to do with Cox’s negativity (which he has curtailed now that his buddy Brian Burke is in charge) but with his hostile attitude towards Leafs fans. No one’s asking for a cheerleader.

As to what he would have said on Twitter, I rank that medium up there with other high brow intellectual pursuits such as reality t.v. so I don’t follow it and can’t comment.

Here’s a good article on Twitter by Bruce Arthur. In short, it is what you make of it. You can make it the equivalent of reality TV or you can make much more of it. I wouldn’t dismiss it out of hand without learning something about it first.

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by PPP on Mar 20, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Again, as to the Twitter thing it’s probably generational however, I don’t think we’re the Borg and have to be tied to everyone’s waking thought, but I realize I’m a minority and that’s just me. No, I didn’t miss the point. Cox has a hostile attitude toward Leaf fans, that I get. In any city where a franchise has wallowed in mediocrity and ineptitude as long as the Leafs, someone, somewhere is bound to question/criticize the fans who keep doling out the bucks no matter how much the ownership disrespects them and takes them for granted. He’s not criticizing their loyalty or love of the players or team, he’s criticizing their constant acceptance of the owner’s derision. Paradoxically, I think the fans undying loyalty, admirable in it’s concept, has been the team’s undoing. When you know you have a guaranteed income, why bother to cater to the masses underwriting that income? Look at the ACC; it’s a model of arrogance. It can hardly be deemed a true fan’s arena and had the Leafs not been a constant sellout since 1940 whatever, it may have been built more accomodatingly(?) to the average fan. His contempt may be a source of ire, but it isn’t unjustified. I’ve drank the kool-aid and can’t stay away, but I understand someone thinking I’m crazy. I love the team, but hate the ownership, but understand the owners’ contempt of my loyalty. Cox just points it out.

by Robert James on Mar 20, 2011 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think the owners

have as much contempt as is commonly assumed. They spend a lot of money on a variety of things in an effort to build a winner.

Being inept is not the same as being contemptuous. These are often conflated in both the MSM and by the ticket buying public. Also – winning a Stanley Cup is hard. Despite what many of the ink stained classes would have you assume.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Mar 20, 2011 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

On the last point

I think the view up the 401 towards Montreal has skewed the viewpoints of many Leaf following journalists. This is a tad unfair if only because the Habs for years had an advantage in their control of French Canadian prospects that is hardly ever discussed in main stream circles. It also ignores the fact that Montreal has had one decent playoff run since the lockout, and other than that has largely been inconsequential…

Toronto is wallowing right now, but since the turn of the millenium, neither team has really been dominant.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Mar 20, 2011 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

For as long as I can remember the ownership of the Leafs has been willing to pay to build a winner. They haven’t always done it in a competent manner. Like you say these are two different things. I think fans would have a legitimate gripe if ownership had placed an internal cap on the team and tried to micromanage Burke, but they haven’t done either of those things.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 20, 2011 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree to a point, however, with no sense of urgency prodding them to do better, aka improve the product or lose money, the pressure to produce a winner has not been as great as it should have. It’s like the monopolization of oil. The premier of N.S. recently stated to the effect that to avoid paying higher costs for gas, drive less. That’s contempt. Yes it is hard to build a Cup winner, but Leaf owners /management have avoided time honoured principles in building and maintaining a successful franchise. Don’t get me wrong, I think the current ownership and management is committed to a winner, but in large part because of recognition that what they’ve done for the last 4 decades is wrong.

by Robert James on Mar 20, 2011 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is a tad myopic

You’re referencing what? 2 years of serious underperformance? Until the ouster of JFJ the team was in contention for the playoffs perennially under the rule of MLSE. They didn’t know when to stop paying Mats Sundin and the rest of his crew of supporting veterans, and they were slow to adjust to the post lockout world, but we’re really not talking a LONG period of time in hockey terms.

7 years seems like a while, but they were close for a few years, and screwed the pooch near the end. It’s only in recent years that they’ve attempted to right the ship by tearing it down and doing an on the fly rebuild, and now they’re criticized for losing games at all… frankly the whole thing is ridiculous.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Mar 20, 2011 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly, it’s not as though they’ve been pursuing the same strategy for years now, or haven’t had post-season success ever. Obviously the post-lockout environment has been terrible, but it’s hard to argue that the team is moving backwards right now.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 20, 2011 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think it's contempt

to tell people to drive less if they can’t afford oil.

People don’t have a “right” to cheap commodities… sorry.

Car Pool, find alternative transport, pay taxes to fund mass transport if you can’t run your own car feasibly. These are all viable things, and they aren’t contemptuous suggestions.

Yes oil companies want to make a profit and will screw people over to get one, but it’s your fault if you buy into it and think the system is the problem.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Mar 20, 2011 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

On JFJ’s reign; that’s a team that missed the playoffs by 3 combined points getting sub .900 goaltending and after a series of comical late game mishaps.

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by Chemmy on Mar 20, 2011 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes it is hard to build a Cup winner, but Leaf owners /management have avoided time honoured principles in building and maintaining a successful franchise.

Except of course for those four conference final appearances in 10 years. Yeah, they did that following poor business practices.

I think the problem is that you’re a binary fan. If it’s a Cup year that’s a 1 and if it’s not it’s a 0. Unfortunately, the reality of sports and hockey has bypassed the Original Six years when you could have been reasonable in those expectations. There are 29 other teams trying to win a Stanley Cup every year too.

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by PPP on Mar 20, 2011 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

The premier of N.S. recently stated to the effect that to avoid paying higher costs for gas, drive less. That’s contempt.

Sounds like good advice.

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by PPP on Mar 20, 2011 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

The problem with your argument is you assume there is ownership “derision.” That’s laughable. Sure, they may be focused on revenue more than winning, but they sure know where their bread is buttered and like most sports franchises, they do things to make the fans like them. Of course they can get away with being a bit more cut-throat as far as the business end goes because there are so many fans that they can sell out the building no matter what the product or price of the ticket, but I don’t see that as derision. They have a business to run, too.

by Leaf in Habland on Mar 20, 2011 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

They also realise, I’m sure that winning=revenue, so they can’t be completely resigned to losing. It’s just an unrealistic view of what the ownership’s position is.

by Leaf in Habland on Mar 20, 2011 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree they’re not resigned to losing. I just feel that, until Burke was brought in, they weren’t as committed to winning as they should have been.

by Robert James on Mar 20, 2011 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes I find

bringing in every possible high priced free agent, including 2 all-star goalies, multiple stanley cup winners, and various other attempts are horribly obvious attempts to just screw over the fans… right?

I mean why would we go out and add Curtis Joseph, Ed Belfour, Gary Roberts, Joe Niewundyk, Shayne Corson, Glen Wesley, Bryan Leetch, Ron Francis, etc. Obviously MLSE was really hoping we’d lose a shit load of games just to stick it to good ole “Joe Lunchbox”… wtf man.

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by Steve Burtch on Mar 20, 2011 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh and

Kirk Muller, Alex Mogilny, Steve Thomas, I could keep this going btw.

MLSE are HEARTLESS!

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by Steve Burtch on Mar 20, 2011 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Their post-lockout strategy wasn’t insanely flawed right from the get go either. They did what other teams were doing we were just saddled with some terrible contracts and a GM who couldn’t get rid of them. I’m going to go ahead and assert that Burke would have gotten every member of the Muskoka 5 to waiver their no-trade clauses, or he would have just sent them to the Marlies.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 20, 2011 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

You know what? I’m a slow typer and can’t keep up to your comments so I’m not going to try. I didn’t invent the notion that MLSE doesn’t care. It’s a pretty common perception. Ignoring successful business models and trying to do everything piece meal, however big the names of the players brought in, and subsequently gouging your loyal fans on ticket prices, building an arena designed for corporate sponsorship over the individual fans particularly when the product is repeatedly inferior is contempt.

by Robert James on Mar 20, 2011 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’s not saying you did, he’s just saying it’s a ridiculous notion.
What do you mean about ignoring successful business models? They are an incredibly successful business, do you mean w/r/t building the team itself?
Also, when the team is winning the ACC is rocking, it was crazy loud last night, there were Reimer chants, do you remember that place in the playoffs?

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 20, 2011 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

No

you didn’t invent it… but you are parroting it. This isn’t shoot the messenger, so don’t get all martyr like on us.

If you’re going to trumpet something, it makes sense to back it up with some sort of concrete reasoning. You’re just repeating the same tired points that tend to alienate people away from reading Cox in the first place.

You’re also arguing out of both sides of your mouth (fingers?) you keep mentioning sound business practices, price gouging, and building an arena designed for corporate sponsorship… none of this has to do with the product on the ice particularly. You just said “however big the names of the players brought in”… how the hell else are you quantifying what they’re doing to satisfy the fans? Do you want the board of directors to go out and play the games to show you they care? Because I guarantee they’d be a lot worse than those big names they brought in.

You also seem to be fixated on contempt, and since nothing you’re reading is swaying your opinion, I’m going to chalk a lot of this up to cognitive dissonance and an infatuation on your part with hating on MLSE. Go ahead and drink from the trough of common knowledge, we aren’t stopping you, but if you stopped and looked at all of this objectively… and just READ what we’re typing, rather than worried over your typing speed and ability to respond, you might realize who it is that is and is not making sense.

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by Steve Burtch on Mar 20, 2011 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Some of this debate suffers from a case of broken telephone. When I first heard this argument it took the form “MLSE is so fixated on making the playoffs every year that they would never authorize a full rebuild, which is the best way to win the Cup.” This was pre-Burke, of course, and if Burke’s current team isn’t a rebuilding team, I don’t know what is.
The second criticism was that there was too much interference from board members, specifically Richard Peddie. Much of the consternation here stems from the perception that JFJ was hired because the other two candidates, Jeff Tambellini and Neil Smith, were Pat Quinn lackeys. The benefit of hindsight says that we wouldn’t have been any better off with Tambellini, but this kind of ego-driven power-play, if true, certainly feeds into a perception that the Leaf management structure has been compromised in the past.

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*Steve Tambellini, sorry, gah.

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by Nirbo on Mar 20, 2011 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

building an arena designed for corporate sponsorship over the individual fans particularly when the product is repeatedly inferior is contempt.

What are you talking about?

And yes, the common perception is that MLSE doesn’t care but that perception is born out of a total lack of understanding of economics.

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by PPP on Mar 20, 2011 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’d disagree to an extent. After second round losses to the Devils in 2000 and 2001, they tried to find ways to make the team better, and did so get the Leafs two games from the Stanley Cup Final in 2002. And, on paper, the 2003-04 team was probably one of the best iced in the last decade.

The problem wasn’t a commitment to winning but a lack of knowledge as to HOW to do it in the post-lockout environment. The decisions made in 2003-04 were going to screw the Leafs in 2005-06, and instead of selling off assets and getting younger and faster THEN, they did the absolute wrong thing and went ass-backwards until, two 9th place finishes and a crap-tacular start to the 2007-08 season later, they finally realized it wasn’t working.

To me, the issue isn’t commitment to winning, but lack of any real clue HOW to win.

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by FiftyMissionCap on Mar 20, 2011 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

The only issue there is that this is all in hindsight, so many other teams failed to properly adapt to the salary cap. Plus there were so many free agents that summer, if the Leafs weren’t trying to sign them all people would have been all over them for that. The teams that couldn’t afford to be big spenders unwittingly benefited from it. Their success wasn’t due to anything other than luck.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 20, 2011 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

True enough. The Blues and Flyers are other great examples of teams that made the same mistake of the Leafs. I’d argue the Blues, while going in the right direction, still haven’t recovered, while the Flyers just demolished their last place team on the fly from 2006-07 and had the fortune of drafting very well between 2003-2006.

I won’t rail on the Leafs for what they did in 2005, even though it was the wrong idea, but they just kept with that plan for way longer than they should have, IMO. It should’ve been clear by Spring 2006 it wasn’t working out for them.

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by FiftyMissionCap on Mar 20, 2011 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think it was to the people in the hockey dept.

but the board weren’t listening.

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by Steve Burtch on Mar 20, 2011 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

perhaps

because they were too chummy with some of the incumbent players.

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by Steve Burtch on Mar 20, 2011 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think some people even said JFJ was among those in the hockey dept who wanted to rebuild, but the board was against it.

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by FiftyMissionCap on Mar 20, 2011 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Definitely should have realized they were going to wrong way but there are so many other variables that go into it.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 20, 2011 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

It is derision when they ignore good business practices to put the best product on the ice, and as a result humiliate the franchise, while not appearing to care. MLSE being heartless was not a concept invented by me. This started well before MLSE. The Leafs were rotted by Ballard(Harold) and should have rebuilt from the ground up upon his demise. As far as doing things to make the fans like them, I would say the highest ticket prices in the league in an arena where Joe Lunchbox would have difficulty in even obtaining one is derision.

by Robert James on Mar 20, 2011 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

MLSE = heartless is a weird concept

MLSE isn’t a person… it’s a large corporation… I know by law we treat those like people, but they aren’t people.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Mar 20, 2011 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

and post ballard

the Leafs had some of their most succesful runs since the 60’s… wtf man do you not remember the 90’s?

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

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by Steve Burtch on Mar 20, 2011 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

and they set the ticket price

at what the market will bear… are the Yankees heartless for their ticket prices? I don’t think they’re derisive towards their fan base… but that’s probably because they win right? that makes it excusable? Do the Lakers come off like derisive dicks because they charge over twice as much as the Clippers for seats in the same stadium? I don’t think so… more people want to see Lakers games… logic.

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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Mar 20, 2011 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Early 90's

late 90’s, early 00’s. Am I just imagining consecutive playoff seasons and multiple Conference Finals?

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by AM18 on Mar 20, 2011 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

no

MLSE just filmed the whole thing in a sound studio and brought Kubrick back from the dead to direct it all… you’ve been DARK SIDE OF THE MOONDED!

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Mar 20, 2011 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Leafs ticket prices aren’t substantially more than other popular large market teams and the prices are driven by supply and demand. What good business practices are they ignoring? They turn a profit and have hired one of the best available GMs and given him free reign to build a winner.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 20, 2011 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Raptors

suck more than the Leafs right now, and they went out and hired a former Executive of the year who had managed a regular playoff participant in Phoenix. He had a 1st overall pick and one of the top PF in the NBA, and they’re still pretty shitty… I guess MLSE has a huge hatchet in hand waiting to butcher the hopes of every sports fan in Toronto!

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Mar 20, 2011 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

this is what people get

for drinking the kool-aid being handed out by the Toronto MSM… MLSE = heartless bastards who just run a business and don’t care about the “poor” “woe-is-me” fans… give me a freaking break.

What have us… the long suffering public… done to contribute to the millions upon millions of salary they’re paying to various executives and players in an attempt to win and reap some decent return. I buy some tickets, I pay for Maple Leafs TV, I pay for the occasional jersey… but really? How the hell can you argue that they’re not putting an effort into winning?

The Leafs employ more scouts than every team in the NHL other than NJ, we have a state of the art practice facility and stadium, we have the largest market in the NHL, we have a larger management team than most teams, we seem to have pursued more free agents in recent years than any other team, and we’re basically involved in every negotiation possible.

I fail to see any indication of a group of suits that don’t give a shit if the team wins.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

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by Steve Burtch on Mar 20, 2011 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Of note, every single Leafs game is televised and can be accessed for a reasonable price. LeafsTv is like 4 dollars a month or something.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 20, 2011 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

At some point there needs to be results for all this effort. If there are not results, than it is logical and quite fair to question either the motives or competency of MLSE to manage the franchise to success.

Burke is in a tough situation because he inherited 40 or so years of Stanley cup failure and and 5 years (now 8 years) of playoff failures and with those the fan frustrations. Not everyone appreciates the utility of prospects. And many fans (and some media that know better) don’t want to give Burke the benefit of “years” to produce playoff berth (and I say that even knowing how unrealistic it is to rebuild quickly) after waiting years until now.

by jeffgm on Mar 20, 2011 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

But there are so many different factors at work here. The past 40 or so years have nothing to do with Burke, or MLSE for the most part. The game is played on the ice not the boardroom. Can you list some concrete examples of what MLSE has done or not done that has directly attributed to icing a losing team?

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 20, 2011 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

MLSE

didn’t even really exist until the Steve Stavro era. That was post Ballard family, and that began with the 90’s for the most part. If you’re going to judge MLSE, the only significant down portion they’ve been in charge for is the post-lockout era.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Mar 20, 2011 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

people often confuse

MLSE with the OTPP… they aren’t the same thing.

Larry Tanenbaum is a member of the board of MLSE, he has absolutely no control or say in the OTPP.

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- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Mar 20, 2011 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

MLSE didn't exist in it's current state

until 2008 when CTVGlobeMedia sold half of what it owned to Tanenbaum, who currently only controls 20.5% of the team.

The OTPP controls 66%, and TD Capital controls the remainder.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

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by Steve Burtch on Mar 20, 2011 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly, there are so many layers and people involved that it doesn’t make sense to speak about MLSE in the way people do. And w/r/t OTPP I love when people think the team would be so much better with one owner, like it’s some sort of magic bullet. The team will be better when it has more good players than bad ones. Even that isn’t enough to win the post season, there are just too many goddamn variables. Chicago last year was about 5 minutes away from going down 3-1 to the Preds in the first round. There was a blown call on Hossa and the Hawks ended up tying the game and Hossa scoring the overtime winner. That has nothing to do with ownership.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 20, 2011 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

but the Wirtz family

CARES SO MUCH MORE THAN THE WIRTZ FAMILY!

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Mar 20, 2011 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know what made Chicago better

not blacking out all of their local games! it’s because of the fans people!

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

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by Steve Burtch on Mar 20, 2011 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

it has nothing to do

with spending up to the cap on the likes of Campbell, Hossa, Khabibulin, Huet, Niemi, Sharp, and drafting the likes of Kane, Toews, Keith, Seabrook, Byfuglien, Versteeg, Brouwer, Bolland, etc.

They just changed owners and whamo… WINNERS!

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Mar 20, 2011 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think it is fair for fans to question MLSE motives or competence when for years they have not produced a quality team. The two options I see is that either they do not care or are not capable of managing this aspect of the business (winning team).

That said, personally I believe the leafs will make the playoffs next season (given continued solid goaltending) and all these playoff frustrations and talk will evolve into how the leafs still have not won the cup in almost 50 years.

by jeffgm on Mar 20, 2011 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

you keep repeating this jeff

but it’s illogical… MLSE produced a competitive team for around a decade, then that team got old and sucked… Now we’re tearing it down and rebuilding it… and we’re all of 2 years into the rebuild process.

It’s fine to question it if you can’t see any sense or direction, but I’d say it’s pretty obvious there’s a direction within the team and management right now.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Mar 20, 2011 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Were you amongst the huge throngs

that regularly questioned MLSE’s competence when they were icing teams that were making deep playoff runs and posting 100+ point seasons?

You know… all those people that were 100% certain they were mismanaging everything.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Mar 20, 2011 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

other teams that have gone through this process

Chicago, Boston, Colorado, Detroit, Buffalo, Dallas, New York, Pittsburgh, Washington, Philadelphia.

We just pretend it doesn’t happen anywhere else.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Mar 20, 2011 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh and

Vancouver… can’t forget Vancouver …. as much as we’d like to.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Mar 20, 2011 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh... or

Montreal… Ottawa’s just figured out their problems this year really… but they’re going to go through the same shit… Edmonton is finally doing the same…

This isn’t unique to Toronto, but we want to blame our management? like they’re idiots for doing what every management team has to do in pro sports?

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Mar 20, 2011 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I may have MLSE vs Stavoros timelines incorrect – I using MLSE to refer to the post lockout period.

by jeffgm on Mar 20, 2011 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

MLSE

predated the lockout….

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Mar 20, 2011 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

it has existed

since 1998.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Mar 20, 2011 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jeff, you’re totally getting Burtched today.

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by Sergei Puckizin on Mar 20, 2011 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes I have no issue saying when I’m wrong. I was thinking more when Teachers Pension came into picture, and even if off on the detail of timing, I think my point is relevant. That is, the leafs have been uncompetitive team for nearly a decade and that is still not success.

At any rate, I would like the MLSE stand up (and for that matter the GM level) and say we will have winning team or cup by date X. It takes courage, though take a look at at the new Sabres owner – at least he has and has embraced disgruntled fans (and media).

As long as the leafs are using the rebuilding argument; there plan is still not a real and concrete and lacks some accountability.

by jeffgm on Mar 20, 2011 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

It takes a stupid person to get up and say that they will win a cup by a certain date.

MLSE have put a timeline on putting a better team on the ice: the life of Brian Burke’s contract.

As long as the leafs are using the rebuilding argument; there plan is still not a real and concrete and lacks some accountability.

So the Leafs don’t rebuild after the lockout and they get slammed. Now that they are, they get slammed again? The plan is real and pretty clear. The accountability is there: Brian Burke’s contract. There will never be a serious GM that puts a date on when they will build a winner. Ever. If that’s your criteria you’ll never be happy.

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by PPP on Mar 20, 2011 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I understand the JFJ disaster and the mess that Burke inherited. I don’t think most fans do or have forgotten by now. Most fans only see a series of recent failed leaf seasons and have heard a different story spun by GM every few years. JFJ tried to trade for a team to win now and he failed. Burke is trying to rebuild a competitive team and most fans (and many media heads) will say he has or is failing to put together a better team (regardless what I think of his direction).

If the Sabres falter, the media will crucify the new owner but that puts the pressure on him and his team to produce results.

by jeffgm on Mar 20, 2011 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

If the Sabres falter, the media will crucify the new owner but that puts the pressure on him and his team to produce results.

Which is what happens in Toronto too.

Burke is trying to rebuild a competitive team and most fans (and many media heads) will say he has or is failing to put together a better team (regardless what I think of his direction).

Not everyone can have realistic expectations. JFJ was here twice as long and started with a 100pt team. Burke started with the disaster that JFJ left him.

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by PPP on Mar 20, 2011 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

failing to put together a better team

Really? They’re already 2 wins past their pace of last season and they’ve been completely overhauled with youth. I have no idea what you’re looking for but 100 pt teams centred around 24 year-old doesn’t happen very often.

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by Sergei Puckizin on Mar 21, 2011 2:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Also should be noted that this has been a completely different team in 2011 than in 2010.

2010 record: 13-19-4
2011 record: 19-12-6

2011 projected over 82 games:
42-26-14 (98 points)

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by FiftyMissionCap on Mar 21, 2011 3:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

To the credit of MLSE unlike other owners (or Ballard) they do not dictate terms to GM (look at Senators or Oilers clearing expensive contracts in February). MLSE business models wants a steady and long term profit stream and are not need of a one time short term profit gain from clearing a few contracts.

The only critisism I have of MLSE is if they have a timeline and goal for the franchise and GM (it is at least not public). That is, do they pay Burke on his ability to hit the profit target only or his ability to reach the playoffs and/or cup as well?

by jeffgm on Mar 20, 2011 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

His job description

as GM likely doesn’t include “maximize revunue”… his description as President likely does.

He’s probably evaluated separately on each count.

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- Sir Winston Churchill

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by Steve Burtch on Mar 20, 2011 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yea, and he’s already been given permission to spend to the cap so he’s not trying to cut cost for reasons other than team-building.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 20, 2011 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Does he as GM have a goal of making the playoffs or some other measureable result? That is does MLSE care what the team does or only that a ongoing profit stream is maintained.

by jeffgm on Mar 20, 2011 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

the ultimate goal of every gm is to build a winner. But in some cases it’s like hiring a general contractor, you cant bring in the roofer when you don’t have the foundation laid

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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 20, 2011 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Do you honestly believe that they don’t care or that Burke won’t be held accountable?
Of course he will, he has a five year contract, I doubt that if the team hasn’t made the playoffs under him he would be brought back. If they didn’t care they wouldn’t have fired JFJ.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 20, 2011 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Judging by the secondary market the Leafs charge much less for tickets than they should.

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by Chemmy on Mar 20, 2011 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

So your real complaint is with the tax code that allows corporations to write off half of the cost of tickets and with economics that dictate that when you have limited supply of a product that is in high demand that you charge high prices.

In any city where a franchise has wallowed in mediocrity and ineptitude as long as the Leafs

What makes you say that they put an inferior product on the ice on purpose rather than through incompetence?

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by PPP on Mar 20, 2011 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

There’s so much wrong here. First off, winning makes buckets more money so it behooves MLSE to win. That’s simple enough economics that you’d think even a sportswriter could figure it out.

How is the ACC not a true fan’s arena?

In any city where a franchise has wallowed in mediocrity and ineptitude as long as the Leafs

In MLSE’s time as owners they had numerous 100 point seasons and four trips to the conference finals. What horrible mediocrity.

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by PPP on Mar 20, 2011 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Almost makes me want to get a twitter account just so I can not follow Cox.

by Learn2Leaf on Mar 20, 2011 12:59 PM EDT reply actions  

I didn’t take a screenshot but Cox was at 14,800 exactly before #unfollowdamiencox launched.

by Maple Leafs HotStove on Mar 20, 2011 1:23 PM EDT reply actions  

I’d just go with that number. If only because it’s easy to remember, its close to the actual figure, and we can now calculate how many followers he’s lost since last night’s tweet.

by hockeysense on Mar 20, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Down to 14,558. Given the current rate, it should go down to about 14,500 in another two or three hours.

by hockeysense on Mar 20, 2011 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

unfortunately

I think you’ll eventually run into a decreasing rate of return. The early rate was a result of people who really dislike him dropping him… now you’re getting into the people who are more on the fence…

The majority won’t drop him because they actually “like” his work.

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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Mar 20, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is

this supposed to imply that I’m Damien Cox? You obviously haven’t read my blog postings much.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Mar 20, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol wut?

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by SkinnyFish on Mar 20, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, i have no idea what he’s getting at here!

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by Sergei Puckizin on Mar 20, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I unfollowed a few weeks ago. Might not be a Leafs fan, but every unfollow counts. I think I originally followed to see what the fuss about him was. That experiment didn’t last long.

by Original Six on Mar 20, 2011 1:28 PM EDT reply actions  

What do people think of Hendrick – in terms of quality of his questions? I think he is great and is far too nice and tends to avoid tough/difficult question.

by jeffgm on Mar 20, 2011 1:34 PM EDT reply actions  

He’s a Leafs pornocrat. In other words, he’s not paid to ask tough questions.

by hockeysense on Mar 20, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pretty much. He’s an employee of MLSE, but he’s good at getting out on the team. He’s not some investigative journalist, but he does what he does quite well in my opinion.

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by SkinnyFish on Mar 20, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

he doesn't flub things

and the players seem to get along with him reasonably well.

I prefer him to Pierre Maguire or Glenn Healy.

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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Mar 20, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

he's a shill

unfortunately if you think he’s doing anything remotely serious in his reporting you are likely far from the mark.

He is on every Leafs telecast (including Leafs TV) for a reason… he’s the one piece of every game that is employed purely by MLSE… other than the coaches and players and support staff of course.

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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Mar 20, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

the reason

he’s the guy doing 99% of the interviews is because he won’t ask anything remotely contreversial.

And yes I know he’s not on the CBC telecasts… mistake on my part.

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by Steve Burtch on Mar 20, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’s speaks well and is a good gameday host, but is a horrible interviewer. Have you ever heard him ask one question? Ever?
All he ever does is throw out statements and waits for a response! It infuriates me.

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by Sergei Puckizin on Mar 20, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha, so true

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by Leafer87 on Mar 20, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I Like hi

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 20, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

m

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 20, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, he avoids tough/difficult questions because he’s an employee of the team.

Seems like a nice enough guy but I don’t really like the way he asks questions. They are so leading but I get why he does it that way.

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by PPP on Mar 20, 2011 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

What questions?

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by Sergei Puckizin on Mar 20, 2011 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Unfollowed Cox

He hated Quinn and Quinn hated him. To this day Quinn won’t speak to him. It was insane the coverage the leafs got in the early 2000s. Now he’s all nice with Burke, go figure. Also know Cox has a horrible temper and that really hurts him professionally speaking. To bad for us. I really like mirtle.

by Rockarolla on Mar 20, 2011 1:55 PM EDT reply actions  

I can’t unfollow Cox – if only because I never bothered to follow him in the first place.

by Blue and White Expat on Mar 20, 2011 2:08 PM EDT reply actions  

I’m blocked by Damien. :(

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by Chemmy on Mar 20, 2011 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

#CoxBlocked

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by SkinnyFish on Mar 20, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

as much as

I appreciate the sentiments of this posting Bob… I’ve been to games in Philly as well as Toronto, so there’s a few things at work here, that might not be so clear upon first reading.

1) A lot of people at Leaf games aren’t actually part of the Leafs faithful, they’re in possession of corporate tickets paid for by sponsors and the like. Despite this fact, it’s usually the ticket holders that get blasted for “buying tickets”… it’s weird to say the least.

2) I think Cox was actually upset with the contrast between cheering Kaberle, and booing Chara and Rask. He didn’t understand why Rask was booed since he had nothing to do with being traded. He didn’t understand why Leaf fans would boo Chara for injuring a Hab… (irrespective of anything else Chara has done against the Leafs – dating back to his days as a Senator – or the fact that he’s given the sport of hockey a “black eye” so to speak with the Pacioretty hit).

3) Cox knows damn well why people are doing the things they do, he’s just saying shit to get a reaction. We’re reacting. This is how it goes.

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- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Mar 20, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree most with your point 3. If Cox was serious about making a change instead of just raising ire, he might suggest something constructive. For example, a “boycott the leafs” game in which fans who are not happy with the direction of the leafs over the last 5, 10 or 40 years would not attend some particular game. I’m not sure that would work with leaf fans or if MLSE would care too much but at least than Cox is trying to make a difference for the leafs instead of printing some words in a column more for effect.

by jeffgm on Mar 20, 2011 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think

he’s tacitly supported that idea for years… I also think it would have zero impact on ticket sales.

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- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Mar 20, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

1. I dislike BOB – and thats our Goalies Nick Name – Either Rob or FLYERROB will suffice.
2. Allot of ticket holders at FLYERS games are also Corporate Tickets as corporate perks – Sad but true part of the game nowadays with these mega stadiums.
3. People have a right to cheer or boo
4. I agree with your third point – Cox sounds like a SHOCK JOCK to me.

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by FLYERROB on Mar 20, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

sorry about the Bob - Rob

mixup… I misread it… wasn’t intentional.

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by Steve Burtch on Mar 20, 2011 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought it was Bob for the longest time as well.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 20, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

R's and B's

look pretty similar in a small font size I guess?

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by Steve Burtch on Mar 20, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seems reasonable to me.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 20, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yup. I always read it as Flyerbob. Now that I LOOK it’s clearly an ‘R’. Hm. Have to change my internal reading.

by DiaDud on Mar 20, 2011 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ve just realized that over the last few years, the only time I’ve ever read anything by Cox is when someone else quotes something ridiculous he says. And every time this happens, it strengthens my conviction not to read him. It’s a nice self-fulfilling cycle. I suggest others partake as well.

by MrSmithy on Mar 20, 2011 2:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Welcome

Thanks for following. Same here, so this is my attempt to get the people that read him to get offended to stop. Then they’ll leave us in our blissful ignorance of whatever Damien Cox is saying.

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by PPP on Mar 20, 2011 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Idiotic Leaf fans
bq. These people deserve a loser.
bq. Leaf fans such suckers for whatever MLSE serves up. Sad.

Just to make it clear, Damien Cox thinks I (as a Leaf fan) am a sad, idiotic sucker who deserves a loser.

Naturally his language didn’t specify that all Leaf fans share this characteristic; I also know that if the group being discussed was women or an ethnic minority that everyone would nod along sagely and explain that he only meant the idiotic sad ones.

Then he manages to show even greater confusion or smarminess, I can never tell which, by turning this into “we’re mad cuz you dissed Kaberle”.

This grating, acerbic approach will obviously continue to sell papers and page-views… until it doesn’t.

Oh, I'm sorry, just one moment. Is this a five minute argument or the full half hour?

by Nirbo on Mar 20, 2011 2:45 PM EDT reply actions  

I want to follow him just to unfollow him

by l3ojangles on Mar 20, 2011 3:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Unfollow Damien Cox

Now that Damien is riding shotgun with Bob McCown, this is to be expected! After all Mr. Pied Piper (McCown) has been doing his very best in attempting to persuade all stupid and/or loyal leaf fans to jump off the bandwagon for years and apparently the stupid ones have followed his advise however leafs nation is as strong as ever and this irritates the living daylights out of Mr. McCown! McCown has gone out on a limb and stated that the Leafs will not make the play-offs this year and as we all know Mr. McCown is never wrong and if he is, he will never be challenged by his co-host (Brunt, Cox, etc) because none of them have the backbone to stand up to the egomaniac! I’m not a fan of Don Cherry’s however at least he had the guts to go on record stating that the Leafs will make the play-offs this year and is not concerned with the hit his reputation might take if it doesn’t happen! The Toronto Media in general are neither objective nor is their opinion balanced (negative and positive point of view) when it comes to the Toronto Maple Leafs! I’ve stopped listening to Bob McCown and will be canceling my subscription to the Toronto Star! If the Leafs did make the play-offs this year, I would be the happiest person on the planet and a nice bonus would be proving that Mr. McCown was wrong with his gutless prediction!

by logicalandloyalleaffan on Mar 20, 2011 3:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Why is it gutless for him to predict that the Leafs don’t make the playoffs?

Seems to me that people will without hesitation criticize and downright insult folks on this and other hockey blogs (including myself on BoO) but the moment a journalist makes a criticism it’s “pull out the pitchforks”?

If folks are going to make GIF’s and photoshop images taking the piss out of Cox, call him every name in the book, constantly talk shit about the guy, don’t be surprised if he throws something back once in a while.

It’s all fair play if you ask me. I’m not unfollowing Cox because this blogs tells me, just like I won’t change my high opinion of this blog or other such Leaf fans just because Cox tweets something negative about you.

by The Muppet on Mar 20, 2011 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah those are my thoughts, too. I follow him because I know he’s an idiot and it’s fun to watch the train wreck sometimes and to poke the monkey, to mix metaphors. His purpose is not to inform me (I go elsewhere for that), but to entertain me. It’s a very limited form of entertainment, but hey, whatevs.

by Leaf in Habland on Mar 20, 2011 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I actually wonder if this attitude abut the Leafs we get from Cox, Berger and McCowan is partly a product of their age? Reason I bring this up,. is that I see this same attitude from regular Leaf fans in that age bracket. There is a bitterness there. I wonder if it’s because they have been following/fans of this team since the early 70’s, which means they have probably 20 extra years of disappointment than many followers of this blog for example.

I started following this team probably in the mid to late 80’s. God knows I’ve had some hard times. If I had an extra 15 years of brutal hockey, brutal ownership combined with 15 years of sell-outs and unwavering support…. maybe I would sound like Damien by now.

If the average age on this site is what mid-20’s I’m guessing, that would mean that most of the people here started following the team when Gilmour and Clark were here. You’ve seen some bad times, but also 6 straight years in the playoffs before the lock-out. It’s been pretty even, really. Or close to it.

Perhaps Cox, Berger and McCowan should consider these facts once in a while too. Not all of us have been watching the full 43 years since the last cup.

by The Muppet on Mar 20, 2011 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

In the 70's

they had Salming, Sittler, MacDonald, etc.

Ballard was bad… but it wasn’t as atrocious as you’re implying.

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by Steve Burtch on Mar 20, 2011 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

the 80's

were really rock bottom… and I think that’s where most of us in our 30’s got on this ride.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Mar 20, 2011 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ya I wonder sometimes what the hell actually attracted me to the Leafs in the mid-80’s. “Hey, this looks painful, why don’t I follow this”!!

I don’t regret a thing, although if another 15 years go by with no cup or even a sniff, I’ll probably start to sound a bit like Bob McCowan.

by The Muppet on Mar 20, 2011 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hope, my friend. It is hope. Wendel Clark was the embodiment of hope.

by Leaf in Habland on Mar 20, 2011 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

70’s were better than the 80’s, but they still didn’t win a cup, made to the semi-finals once. We’re talking about a smaller league, no salary cap, league still mostly Canadians and Toronto still recently a winner – shouldn’t have been a decade of mostly disappointment, probably still really hard to be a fan and see your team eliminated by recent expansion team Philly in 74/75 and watch them win a cup.

by The Muppet on Mar 20, 2011 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

They are the same age or younger than my dad and my dad is not bitter. I think deep down Damien Cox loves the leafs and wishes they would win, but because of press box etiquette or some misplaced sense of journalistic integrity, he can’t say it out loud. So he hates on the fans who can and do express that love. Sort of like a closeted homosexual being a homophobe.

by Leaf in Habland on Mar 20, 2011 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hmmm…I could unfollow Damien Cox, but that would imply that I was following him in the first place.

At a guess I’d say a decent portion of his followers are Habs fans who probably follow him just to see how he’s riling us up this time. For shame. ;)

Oh well, he can go waste away at sportsnet like everyone else at sportsnet.

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by LeafBoy on Mar 20, 2011 5:08 PM EDT reply actions  

I haven’t seen this on the thread yet, but I wandered over to Coxxy’s twitter and had a look to see what the fuss was all about, and one of his recent tweets was about a move in the draft rankings, that the Leafs had moved to 9th and Boston had moved to 22nd, the first part is perfectly fine and true, but the second…? Does he not realize that pre-playoffs playoff teams can’t really be ranked? He actually refers to them as draft positions so it can’t be a simple change in the standings he’s referring to. Is he serious with this?

Also, I haven’t read every post today, but I could swear Burtch has made like 2 maybe even 3 jokes, keep it up Steve.

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by antrofan on Mar 20, 2011 5:49 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm probably in the minority here

But I really don’t have a problem with Cox’s mainstream journalistic writing (the stuff that shows up in the paper – not his blog or twitter accounts).

He generally speaks to as he sees it in articles, and while I may not agree with it from time to time, it’s a refreshing and a nice counter to the other writers at the Star. I for one like to read multiple papers in the morning, which includes the Star, the Globe and the Post. It’s great way to get different perspectives.

It’s when he gets to his blog and twitter that I can’t stand – and for that reason simply stay away. Steve is bang on when he was stating how it’s mostly just to get a rise out of people.

My main issue with this is, when I see him on TV with the Reporters, or on Air with BobCat – he’s far more informative and even-keeled then he makes in his blog and twitter posts. I actually (please don’t hurt me) enjoy his on air personality. I’m really think his work with sportsnet is going to to be good for his image in the long run.

by Neale's Harry on Mar 20, 2011 6:25 PM EDT reply actions  

To me

It seems he just uses his blog and twitter posts to voice half-baked opinions or one’s he would never want to get published in print. It’s a hack form of journalism, and a slap in the face of hard-working bloggers or informers on twitter.

However, when he takes the time to actually write his print pieces, they are usually an enjoyable read. Same goes for his approach to on air media work.

by Neale's Harry on Mar 20, 2011 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Regarding MLSE: the knock on MLSE during the Quinn Years was that they were perfectly fine with just making the playoffs, making the second round, but wouldn’t go that extra step to win a championship. This ignores that any team that is guaranteed to make the second round every year (which basically, Quinn’s teams were), was a damn good team to begin with. It ignores the free agent acquisitions, it ignores the deadline deals. Cox coined the phrase, “The Cup necessarily, but not necessarily the Cup” to describe MLSE at that time. Us fans were suckers then for supporting this! We should be like Habs fans, they say, for they stay away! For arguments sake, let’s say this is true. That we’re satisfied with mediocrity and that Habs fans are the people we should emulate.

Last night, at the game, this douchebag Habs fan kept making a point that the Habs were a playoff team and we are going home in three weeks. Whatever. But, he was gloating that his team was SIXTH. Not sixth overall. Sixth in a weak conference! Let’s go over their record in the past decade:

    * 1999-2000: 10th
    * 2000-01: 11th
    * 2001-02: 8th
    * 2002-03: 10th
    * 2003-04: 7th
    * 2005-06: 7th
    * 2006-07: 10th
    * 2007-08: 1st
    * 2008-09: 8th
    * 2009-10: 8th

And sixth this year. Not a terrible record, and easily better than ours since the lockout. If MLSE were a team that were only interested in making the playoffs, but not the Cup, what the hell are the Habs? The fans don’t seem to mind. They’re in sixth place in a weak conference! Are they suckers? I asked a Habs fan on my rec league team what he thought about this record the past decade, and he said, “They had three good years in a row.” It’s a pretty generous interpretion of “good.” But, no, only Leafs fans are suckers.

by Papa Squid on Mar 20, 2011 7:19 PM EDT reply actions  

That first place in 07-08 was basically due to Kovalev’s one-timer. Imagine if that guy cared…

by Leaf in Habland on Mar 20, 2011 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

playoff teams

get a bye in the “suckers” category unless they’re Leafs fans.

Nobody seems to begrudge just squeaking in since the lockout because the league has gotten so closely packed together.

Maybe that’ll extend to the Leafs also, but somehow I doubt it.

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by Steve Burtch on Mar 20, 2011 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Since they last won the Cup, the Habs have finished above 5th in the conference only in 2007-08…and only in that year have they had a series where they started on home ice (two of them in fact). In the same time period, the Leafs have finished above 5th in the conference five times…and started on home ice in 12 series.

The Habs days of being perennial Cup contenders ended when Roy got traded.

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by LeafBoy on Mar 20, 2011 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bingo

Great point and one that’s easily ignored by mittenstringers and simpleton anti-Leafs fans too.

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by PPP on Mar 20, 2011 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bill Watters admitted on his show that MLSE told Pat Quinn and himself that the Leafs needed to host at least 5 home playoff games every year.

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by birky on Mar 20, 2011 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Participating in two playoff rounds every year is a pretty high standard. You have to be one of the eight best teams in the league in every year to expect to get that far and you have to be good enough to minimize the possibility of a first-round upset. In other words, you have to be a Cup contender. Not a playoff contender, a Cup contender.

by Papa Squid on Mar 21, 2011 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

With our pre-lockout payroll? Makes sense to me. Difference is back then he essentially had a blank check for payroll.

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by Chemmy on Mar 21, 2011 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

just signed in to twitter

to make sure i wasnt following cox.. i wasnt but to find i still have one follower hahaha twitter is confusing

by pho king awesome on Mar 20, 2011 10:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Damien Cox is LITERALLY the reason I found this website. I got so fed up with reading his crap that one day I did a quick little search on Google, and found this site. (Actually, I found DGB and then subsequently, this site.)

by Matt97 on Mar 20, 2011 11:47 PM EDT reply actions  

It was his comment on how Leaf fans “deserve a loser” prompted me to unfollow. I wanted to punch him in the face when I read that.

by Jon MacLeod on Mar 21, 2011 12:03 AM EDT reply actions  

Also, for someone good to follow, with clear, objective coverage with the Leafs, and no condescending crap follow the Globe and Mail’s James Mirtle (@mirtle)

by Jon MacLeod on Mar 21, 2011 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Mirtle is a well respected beat writer for the Leafs and a regular contributor to this site. Pretty sure most people are following him.

Not being sarcastic, because you’re totally right too.

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by Sergei Puckizin on Mar 21, 2011 2:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Welcome

Thanks for joining.

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by PPP on Mar 21, 2011 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zc8yRL41uPA

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by jimmyp22 on Mar 21, 2011 2:41 AM EDT reply actions  

The point has been made before, but it's true

As for all this “fans deserving what they get” business, the only place where this is really true is in the area of sports commentary: those of you who read Cox, listen to him on the radio, or follow him on Twitter are providing the incentive for someone to employ him to spew his crap.

The truth is that we, as Leafs fans, hold the power in this setup. When we ignore the troll, he becomes irrelevant. When he is irrelevant, he has no job.

So do it: ignore him. #UnfollowDamienCox, not just on Twitter. Everywhere.

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by jrwendelman on Mar 21, 2011 7:53 AM EDT reply actions  

Well said

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by PPP on Mar 21, 2011 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Cox’s fight with Leonsis pretty much obliterated any credibilty he had in D.C.

My favorite excerpt from the “twitter/blog fight” was when everyone was slamming Lou for the Kovy deal. Cox decided it was a great time to throw Leonsis under the bus for his “controversial” deal Alex Ovechkin signed.

…But when (Ted Leonsis) wanted to give Alexander Ovechkin a 13-year, $124 million contract, one they knew Bettman wouldn’t approve of, they did it anyway. That encouraged others, like the bizarre Tampa twosome of Len Barrie and Oren Koules, to engineer a deal with Vinny Lecavalier that started with a $10 million salary and wound down to $1 million.

So, a quick jump over to capgeek would show that unlike Vinny Lecavalier’s deal (that took his 10million a season until 2016 to a 7.2 hit that rapidly descends in his last 3 years) that lasts a very long time and dwindles down in money, just like many other controversial contracts and the Kovy deal, Alex Ovechkin’s goes from 9 million to 10 million as his contract progresses. This raises his salary cap hit, opposed to lowering it, and puts him up agianst the NHLPA’s regulated “no player over 10 million a season” rule. So what exactly did Leonsis do that was so abhorrent to have his name thrown into the same bowl as Lou, Barrie, or Holland? Oh yeah…he followed the rules.

Leonsis’ response:

The 13 year deal signed by Alex Ovechkin was a simple deal. His salary is straight-lined across the life of his contract. There was never an issue with the structure of the contract with the NHL. It was all done in the light of day – honest and transparent. By the rules. The writer of this article knows that. He is just mad because he didn’t have access to Alex Ovechkin when he wrote his book. We don’t agree with his point of view in his book and we won’t have anything to do with him and his book now. He is on his own.

Oh, so Cox made things up to attack an organization he wasn’t authorized to write a book about? Funnier thing was he didn’t mention Nicklas Backstrom or Mike Green’s (atleast Mikes does degrade over time, from 6 to 5 million…) or Alex Semin whom he keeps overpaying for(my opinion) deals which are also super long and worth a ton of money to further illustrate his point in how Leonsis was doing exactly what other owners/GMs are doing. Yeah, the guy is really popular around DC.

Very sorry to possibly hijack the thread and leave a wall of text but I thought it might help illustrate your original points.

Bruce Boudreau when asked about Brooks Laich's return to the lineup, he said: "He just adds another dimension to our team. If it was puzzle, he just fits that thing. He completes us."

Brooks Laich completing everything from teams to tires and everything in between.

by breaklance on Mar 21, 2011 2:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah

That entire episode was purely to rile up the Caps’ fanbase and generate buzz around his book. Very cynical.

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by PPP on Mar 21, 2011 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I for one loved Pablum.

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