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by SkinnyFish on Mar 23, 2011 7:00 AM EDT
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I don't think James Reimer has ever stopped smiling. This kid is amazing. More links after the jump.
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It’d be good to see a full comparison post (I know there’s beena couple already), I don’t really have time at the minute, but I was just comparing him with some other top goaltending prospects’ rookie years:
Rask’s last season was a little better at .931 (age 22 for the bulk).
Varlamov was an equal amount worse at .909 (was 21). This year he is very comparable to Reimer, Reimer turned 23 a month earlier.
Bernier (this year) is at .910 after 23gp (22).
Schneider has an impressive .930 but he just turned 25.
Neuvirth is another almost exactly the same age as Reimer. Last year he got 17 games at .914, this year 44 at .920.
So he’s doing as well as or better than Varlamov (HF – 8.5B), Bernier (8B) and Neuvirth (7.5C) despite being lobbed into the NHL rather than carefully introduced. Schneider is better but has a couple of years on him and has basically enjoyed perfect development and introduction behind Luongo. Rask’s last season was hugely impressive but this year he’s similar to Reimer, a year older.
Think we’ve got a keeper here (excuse the pun).
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by Chemmy on Mar 23, 2011 7:58 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
James Reimer heard Minnesota commentators call him Jason Reimer which ticked him off! Shutout!
"Half the game is mental and the other half is being mental"
I love ticked off Reimer.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 23, 2011 8:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Is there any evidence of him ever being ticked off, I don’t think he has it in him. Maybe he was extra joyous
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He said in an interview he was “ticked off” that he heard some TBL players/staff say that he was “just another Francois Allaire goalie” they had “read the book on how to beat him”.
He took that as an insult to Allaire and wanted to shut them up, essentially.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 23, 2011 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions
ALLAIRE!!!!!!!!!! Still by far the best thing Burke did was bringing him aboard
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I don’t even think we’ve fully realized the benefits he will bring to the organization. He’s still working with Reimer, Gustavsson, Scrivens, Rynnas, and anyone else we bring aboard. It takes years to fully adapt to his technique (if the student is willing) but when/if they do, hooo doggy.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 23, 2011 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions
We haven’t seen all the benefits but I have seen what HE can bring by what he has done (a) thus far, and (b) for other teams.
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Mostly what he has done for this team
Is brought in great goalies. All of the tall free agent goalies want to learn from him so they sign here!
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And with all those free agent goalies, it turns out the hottest one (currently) was our own draft pick. I guess you just never know.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 23, 2011 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Gosh darn it that’s just not nice and I’m upset. makes four hundred saves
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And that’s probably the angriest he’s ever been.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 23, 2011 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Also the correct way to respond when angry.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 23, 2011 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions
The “gosh darn it” is probably exactly the words he used
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I just think that people should be nicer to Frankie. He works real hard. Shucks. pitches shutout, loses anyways
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I think if no one scores before the shootout both teams should lose.
On the Mike Weber bandwagon (Stupid penalties and all!)
Rob Niedermayer scored a goal. Your argument is invalid.
I was at a Leafs – Rangers game, Lundqvist and Toskala, where both goalies pitched shutouts and only Fredrik Sjostrom scored in the shootout.
Great. Thanks a ton Sjostrom. Asshole.
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Both teams should lose, and both goalies should win and get the SO. Figure out a way to make that happen
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He is so level headed. There is a funny interview on Segal’s page a while back from someone (Boyce maybe?) about how he is so religious and never swears. And Boyce thought he caught him once so he calls him out. And Reimer looks at him oddly and says, “I said frig!”
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Reimer is gravy. I really like the McKegg piece by Leafs TV.
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by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Mar 23, 2011 8:15 AM EDT reply actions
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He is now a qualified goalie stats-wise and is tied for third overall in save %…YES!! So, will he be considered a rookie next year Calder-wise? I would love to see him have a chance to get rookie of the year.
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Not enough games for Calder. Just a stupid trophy anyway, what matters is that he’s giving us great goaltending and winning games.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 23, 2011 8:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Err, not enough games for Calder this year, and will have played too many games to qualify next year, is what I meant.
He won’t win the Calder essentially.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 23, 2011 8:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Gotcha. Yeah, ultimately I agree that it’s just a stupid trophy but I would still love to see him get a little league-wide acclaim for his excessively high levels of awesomeness.
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I’ll gladly trade a Calder any year for a Conn Smythe goalie : P
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 23, 2011 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Future Conn Smythe goalie that is.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 23, 2011 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions
We already have one, you might’ve seen him. He’s the guy with the towel around his neck.
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by T is for Truculence on Mar 23, 2011 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Cup winning.
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by Guy Dudeman on Mar 23, 2011 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Belak
in the last 15 years I’m pretty confident that Belak is among the worst Leafs defenceman who played more than 2 seasons for the team.
Something Lebda can only aspire to at this point…
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by fair_n_hite_451 on Mar 23, 2011 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Andy Wozniewski would like a word with you
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by Matt_Roberts on Mar 23, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
You’re doing a disservice to the rafts of awful players that have play D in Toronto.
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prove it.
Belak belongs in the top 3. He makes Cory Cross look like Thomas Kaberle.
by mike in boston on Mar 23, 2011 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
no, you brought it up first, YOU prove it
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 23, 2011 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Jyrki Lumme.
Case Closed.
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by PPP on Mar 23, 2011 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
My wife and I were watching the Reimer interview after the Saturday night Buffalo win where he talked about ‘what a great lady’ his wife is. My wife’s reaction: “He’s the cutest”. She may be right. And a great goalie as well.
I found that Komisarek article / interview bothersome, as it makes it just a little bit harder to hate him.
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Komisarek seems like a great guy and then you watch him play and wish he would disappear forever.
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Brett Lebda might donate 25% of his earnings to orphans with diseases, but that wouldn’t change my opinion that I don’t want him getting a paycheck from the Leafs.
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He could be a good coach I don’t know. I don’t want him getting a paycheck as a player from the Leafs
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Seems like a lot of people are ever since Matt Cooke’s latest transgression. “He’s such a nice guy off the ice.”
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 23, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
18 Buffalo NE 73 36 28 9 81
19 Carolina SE 73 34 29 10 78
20 Minnesota NW 74 35 31 8 78
21 Columbus CEN 73 33 29 11 77
22 Toronto NE 74 33 31 10 76
23 St Louis CEN 73 32 32 9 73
24 Atlanta SE 72 30 30 12 72
25 New Jersey ATL 73 34 35 4 72
22nd overall is the 9th draft pick. Leafs have put some distance between themselves and Blues, Thrashers and Devils (crushed by the Wyshynski Jinx), and could very easily catch the Jackets, Wild or Canes and move out of the top 10.
Also no matter what this team finishes with a better record than last year. PROGRESS!!!1
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We are getting almost no help from anyone. Buffalo has been on a freakin’ tear in their last 15 games, no wonder we can’t make up any ground.
The only solace comes from the fact that it’s almost impossible for NJuggarnaut to complete their ridiculous comeback story now.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 23, 2011 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions
after a four-game losing streak. I think Torts replaced his bad players with hockey-playing robots.
On the Mike Weber bandwagon (Stupid penalties and all!)
Rob Niedermayer scored a goal. Your argument is invalid.
Bryan McCabe is a true leader.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 23, 2011 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Leafs just have to keep winning and hope to God one of these teams stops their unholy winning streaks.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 23, 2011 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions
I have an idea!
I think it is time for NYR to call up Redden!
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NYR would really have to shit the bed to not make it now. It’s all about that final spot and Buffalo is holding onto it with a deathgrip. Stupid Buffalo.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 23, 2011 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Just realized that NYR, BUF and TOR all posted shutouts last night.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 23, 2011 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Two of those shutouts are evil. The other one shall be exalted for future generations to adore and appreciate.
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Right now
(the following numbers are wins over losses)
NYR is a +10, 8 GR (games remaining)
Buff is a +8, 9 GR
Car is a +5, 9 GR
Tor is a +2, 8 GR
So we would have to have 8 more wins (win every game left and NYR lose every game left) than NYR
OR
6 more wins than Buff in the remaining games.
Realistically we can still catch Car for 9th in the conference, but playoffs are done.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 23, 2011 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Hahaha
Well on our next loss NYR is unattainable. And if Buff wins 3 more games its done.
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It’s a pretty big assumption to think we’ll lose another game.
You know what happens when you assume.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 23, 2011 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Never give up! Never surrender!
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by T is for Truculence on Mar 23, 2011 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Since we turned the calendar to mark the New Year, the Sabres have the fourth-best points percentage in the Eastern Conference at .643, sitting behind only New Jersey (.714), Philadelphia (.682) and Washington (.662).
I don’t think even a .714 can even save NJuggernaut now.
On the Mike Weber bandwagon (Stupid penalties and all!)
Rob Niedermayer scored a goal. Your argument is invalid.
I think they need 1.000 and still need help.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 23, 2011 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions
I’ve said it before I’ll say it again, Washington are my pick to win the East. Closing in on #1 seed and it’s like they’re the forgotten team post-Jan 1.
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by The '67 Sound on Mar 23, 2011 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Do you even want to win the East right now?
I’d want no part of the Sabres right now in the playoffs. Or, you know, us.
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I think Buff over takes NYR by the end. They are a little behind but I think they can do it.
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Sabres still have a game against the Rangers, but its a midweek back-to-back so they’ll probably lose.
On the Mike Weber bandwagon (Stupid penalties and all!)
Rob Niedermayer scored a goal. Your argument is invalid.
GOOD
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 23, 2011 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions
The first game of that back-to-back is a dreaded Tuesday game against the leafs.
On the Mike Weber bandwagon (Stupid penalties and all!)
Rob Niedermayer scored a goal. Your argument is invalid.
Oh boy, another “must-win” for the Leafs.
Except that one is really a must win. Even though they all are.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 23, 2011 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Pessimism win!
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 23, 2011 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
As hot as Buffalo has been, Washington’s even hotter. 9-1 last 10.
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by The '67 Sound on Mar 23, 2011 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Although the matchups aren’t set yet, I’m really trying to grasp at a team in the West that can take out VAN in the 1st round. I want it to happen but I just don’t see it.
If they go vs. CHI for a 3rd time in any of the rounds i’ll take CHI again though.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 23, 2011 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions
That’s the way they want it. The Caps have flown under the radar all year and it’s done wonders.
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by T is for Truculence on Mar 23, 2011 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t know what Radar you guys are talking about… they’ve been great ever since that documentary ended.
Not individually and flashy, but overall much better. They are getting great goaltending #s too.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 23, 2011 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions
I just mean no one’s really been talking about them. Not that I’ve seen at least. Flyers, Bruins, Pens etc. getting all the ink.
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by The '67 Sound on Mar 23, 2011 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions
WSH was talked about so much before due to their incredible individual offensive numbers… Ovi, Semin, Green, Backstrom were putting up unholy numbers last year, and are now somewhat pedestrian in comparison.
Can’t argue with results though. Maybe they’re better out of the spotlight.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 23, 2011 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Last year there was all kinds of coverage on Ovechkin and the Caps. This year there’s been hardly any. The MSM has been fixated on the Canucks all year. They’re sort of this year’s Washington.
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by T is for Truculence on Mar 23, 2011 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree. I’ve actually just started watching 24/7 on HBO on demand this week. It’s amazing how much things can change in a few months. The Caps were a disaster while that was being filmed.
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The funny thing is even during their losing streak they were skunking teams in shots/scoring chances. They were mostly terribly unlucky. The answer to the question “What’s wrong with the Caps?!?!?!?!?!” was “nothing”.
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by The '67 Sound on Mar 23, 2011 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Yup
Shit happens.
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by The '67 Sound on Mar 23, 2011 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe there were some small changes to be made, but the bulk of it was definitely just bad luck.
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Maybe HBO was dosing them with something to add drama to their series.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 23, 2011 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions
further solace: it looks like calgary’s miraculous recovery may not end in a playoff spot either.
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They are soooooooo the Leafs West of 5 years ago.
Full of NTC’s, spent to the cap, aging vets, cupboard next to bare.
But they’ve already taken the first step, firing Sutter. It’s the equivalent of our firing JFJ.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 23, 2011 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions
.
Help? We don’t need no help. We’re the Toronto Fucking Maple Leafs.
Other teams might not like us.
That’s ok because we sure as hell don’t like them.
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by Chemmy on Mar 23, 2011 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
So close, mittens. So close.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Mar 23, 2011 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions
He’s pretty close to Reimer, I agree. I’m surprised he survived.
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BTW Corny, i watched about 20 seconds of the Caps game and the first thing i see is Wideman knocking the puck into his own net. Some things never change.
On the Mike Weber bandwagon (Stupid penalties and all!)
Rob Niedermayer scored a goal. Your argument is invalid.
Too bad Boston dismantled that awesome defense.
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Chemmy should like the Sabres… They’re the only reason Carolina isn’t in the playoffs!
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Rob Niedermayer scored a goal. Your argument is invalid.
I’m comfortable hating both of you.
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Also, the difference between athletes and nobodies; on the Grabbo pic. He’s watching the shot. Backstrom has reacted to the shot. The puck is in the back of the net.
Nobody in the crowd’s facial expression has changed. No one there knows what happened yet.
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So, what are people thinking about his RFA status this off-season? I’m thinking we’ll be gunning for the same type of contract as we gave Gustavsson ($1.35 for 2 years). Does anyone know if they are still RFAs at the end of the two years?
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Reimer can get I think probably a 2-3 year deal and still be RFA. I’d have to get a capologist to confirm, but I think he’ll be good for at least 2 more years and still have RFA status.
A Gustavsson-esque deal would be ideal, I can’t tell what kind of leverage his agent now has after such a miracle end-of-year run.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 23, 2011 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Because he’s 22 and has played so few games, he should be able to get a 3 year deal and still remain RFA at the end of it. 26 years of age is the general cut off point for RFA/UFA status for those coming off their 1st non-ELC contract.
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That’s what I figured. I think he just turned 23 though, which is why I’m not sure if 2 or 3 years is the cutoff. Whatever Burke gives him he better be RFA at the end.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 23, 2011 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions
I was thinking about this this morning
The four contracts I found for “compareables” (and they are piss poor as comparables) are:
Quick 1.8 × 3 years
Signed after 2 years
Year 1 0.914 44 GP
Year 2 0.907 72 GP (but he had 39 Ws good for 6th in th eleague)
Neuvirth 1.15 × 2 years
After 2 years
Year 1 0.890, 5 GP
Year 2 0.914 17 GP
Gustavsson 1.35 × 2 years
Signed after 1 year 0.902 of 42 GP
Rask 1.25 × 2 years
Signed after 1 year of 0.931 45 GP
Reimer’s numbers are 0.925 and 29 GP (probably about 35-36 GP by the end).
So my guess is 1.5-1.7 for 2 years
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Gotta like Rask as a comparable.
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by The '67 Sound on Mar 23, 2011 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Does that mean Gustavsson will mount a comeback season and win the Vezina next year? Giggity.
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Yes
Yes it does.
If every single game from here on out didn’t matter I wish we could get a start in for Gus to see what his place on the team will be next year, if any.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 23, 2011 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions
I do like Rask. That being said I feel like Toronto couldn’t get away with that small a contract when Gus got more.
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It’s funny, we all liked it at the time but on that list Gustavsson looks like a ridiculous overpay.
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by The '67 Sound on Mar 23, 2011 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions
We didn’t have a choice with the state of our goaltenders at the time. Reimer had played a couple games in the AHL, and Rynnas and Scrivens weren’t in the system.
His year also looked better if you remember he started weak and had a strong finish.
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Oh yeah I remember the circumstances, just saying looking at it objectively he had the worst numbers of those comps and got the 2nd best contract.
I still think he’ll bounce back next year and we should be rolling with him and Reimer (esp. since Scrivens has been lights out in the A). But as everyone here knows:
I'm an incurable optimist.
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by The '67 Sound on Mar 23, 2011 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions
I really hate the sarcasm font. Talk about dumbing things down.
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That was kind of part of the joke there. Multi-layered.
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by The '67 Sound on Mar 23, 2011 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Reimer has played in 29 games and has finished below .900 six times.
Gustavsson has played in 23 games and has finished above .900 eight times.
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What I’m trying to illustrate here is that Jonas Gustavsson should probably just be sent back to the SEL.
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I’m not against giving him a shot for the remainder of the year. He’s still young
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List of goalies who in either of their first two seasons:
Played 20 games
With a save percentage of under .900
Age 24 or up
If you see anybody on there that makes you say “maybe he’ll turn it around” let me know.
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Gustavsson:
1. Developed late. He wasn’t drafted.
2. Tore it up for a single year in a league we’d consider below the AHL.
3. Has never produced here.
4. Flipped his shit a lot earlier in the season whenever he got scored on. Real bad for a goaltender.
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That last one worries me the most. Also the fact he’s had those heart procedures. I know they were supposed to be minor, but that’s what the doctors said the first time and it took them three times to get it right.
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by T is for Truculence on Mar 23, 2011 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions
You’re allowed to have an opinion other than “small sample size”
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by not norm ullman on Mar 23, 2011 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Okay
My opinion is that people jump to conclusions before they have enough data. When you use tiny data sets you can “prove” lots of ridiculous things
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If we pro-rate Reimer’s performance using last night’s data he will have a career 1.000 sv%.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 23, 2011 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
IIRC Chemmy and Skinny were done with him before his conditioning stint. 2 people (again I believe it was Chemmy and Skinny) asked us to find a mid 20s or older undrafted goalie who has played more than 40 games with sub league average numbers and done anything over the last 10-15 years. When we couldn’t they were done with him.
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His conditioning stint looked nice but I’ll take the 40 NHL games as a better predictor than four AHL games.
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I agree. I am just pointing out that your decision was made a couple months back (again IIRC…not trying to put words in your mouth).
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I came to the same conclusion a few months ago. What has Gustavsson done since then to change my mind?
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Still only 1766 career SOG. I’d give him another 30 starts next year, which to me should still be a re-building year.
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by The '67 Sound on Mar 23, 2011 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Re-building how? If we can bring in a vet at around .915 for 40 starts and get 40 starts out of Reimer at around the same we’re going to the playoffs probably as high as a six seed.
Year three of Jonas “oh if you ignore those twelve bad goals he’d be up to a .900” Gustavsson won’t go any better than the first two.
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I just don’t think we’re a Cup Contender next year and don’t want the financial commitment necessary to get a guy we can count on for a .915 or better. I’d rather save our cap for 2012/13 because I think one of Reimer, Rynnas or Scrivens is likely to be a .915 goalie.
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by The '67 Sound on Mar 23, 2011 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions
I think all three of them are unlikely to be consistent .915 guys.
I’d bring in Vokoun or Bryzgalov in a heartbeat but I wouldn’t give them NTCs.
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I was totally against this about two weeks ago, but now I’m starting to come around to this idea. I’m completely torn about what the right strategy in goal is to be honest.
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The same strategy it is with other players: get good players.
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Duh.
But do we need to lock up an expensive vet for 4-5 years if Reimer may be the real thing?
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Why have 1 good goalie when you can have 2?
Honestly, who knows what is going through Burke’s mind right now in terms of our netminding situation.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 23, 2011 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
It’s insurance. Don’t bet a season on Reimer repeating what he’s doing. Andrew Raycroft and Steve Mason are important examples here. They won Calders and haven’t been decent since. Not great, not even acceptable.
Don’t give Bryzy or Vokoun an NTC. If we’re in a situation where Reimer is carrying the load trade them for whatever at the deadline.
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The problem with your plan is that GMs (and, I would wager, Burke in particular) would be very reluctant to trade a player they signed as a UFA within the first year of their deal. Particularly if it’s a high profile player like Vokoun.
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I think it’s interesting that the people are afraid that goalies like Bryz and Vokoun might see their games go south are also the people who want to go into next season rolling out Reimer/Gustuvsson/Rynnas.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 23, 2011 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Hm. Well, I disagree. I think that this would form part of Burke’s personal “code”, and, even if it didn’t, it probably should. I think it would inhibit his ability to sign players later on.
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That I agree will be the big drawback.
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I’d rather play a guy I already know is good rather than hope one of three guys with no real track record becomes good.
Relative to cap hit, of course, although considering the amount of space we have versus what’s out there re: forwards then we might as well spend it on goaltending.
Look at it another way: we’re currently paying $6.5-million (in cap) for a goalie that’s sitting on the bench, and we’re still comfortably under the cap. Even if we sign another goalie to that amount, we’re still in the same position.
That should leave more than enough room to sign our RFAs and maybe add another piece. Rynnas and Scrivens haven’t even finished one AHL season yet. It makes sense to give them another year of development.
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by T is for Truculence on Mar 23, 2011 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions
but should the Leafs be looking at all-stars like Bryz and Vokoun? Or someone better suited to 40 games in a tandem with Reimer.
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I don’t think Vokoun will come here. The guy has wallowed for years in Florida and will want to play for a contender. We’re not it.
Bryzgalov might, and the reasons have been talked about on here. It really depends on term, because if Reimer is the real deal he becomes expendable, but a marketable piece.
Personally I’d sign a mid-range goalie with a dependable track record playing in a tandem to a short-term deal.
I wouldn’t sign one of the bargain bin guys. You might get lucky, but if you’re going to take a flyer on somebody like that you might as well take a flyer on Gustavsson. The devil you know and all that.
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by T is for Truculence on Mar 23, 2011 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Craig Anderson would’ve been a pretty good option actually. Not at what Ottawa’s paying now, of course, but I think Burke could’ve gotten him at a lower salary.
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by T is for Truculence on Mar 23, 2011 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
I actually think Vokoun stays in a small market. Not necessarily a contender.
In regards to your other comment: who would you classify:
a) As a top end (just Bryz and Vokoun?)
b) Midrange? (To me the only one is Theodore…maybe Rolo)
c) Bargain basement.
For your reference here is the list of UFA goalies this summer
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Top end is Bryz and Vokoun for sure
Midrange, I’m thinking along the same lines. I’d go for Theodore or Roloson, maybe Boucher. The list is pretty uninspiring I’ll give you that.
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by T is for Truculence on Mar 23, 2011 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Hedberg seems to fit the bill. Last year played 47 games with a .915 in ATL and this year has 37 with 9.13 with the Devils. They likely re-up him, but he’d be ideal IMO.
by Kessel'sOversizedSuit on Mar 23, 2011 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
The devil we know can’t give us .900 goaltending.
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by The '67 Sound on Mar 23, 2011 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Would Bryz or Vokoun even want to come to Toronto? These are goalies that are bona fide #1 guys, used to starting 60-70 games a year. With Reimer as a tandem, they’re looking at 40 games.
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Tell them if they play like the #1 the net is theirs. Reimer’s not going to take his toys and go home because an All Star is in the net. Look at Rask and Thomas.
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I think that situation is a bit different, considering Thomas signed his extension before Rask broke out.
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Rask is still putting up good numbers.
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Sure, but would a highly-sought after UFA goalie knowingly enter that kind of a situation?
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Sure. Do you think Bryzgalov is going to come in to Toronto and say “boy I hope I outplay this rookie”?
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He won’t but he should, Reimer is DANGEROUS
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 23, 2011 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
An All Star probably doesn’t spend his time worrying about rookies stealing his job. Getting the Leafs to say “Sure, 5 years $5M per” is a pretty big vote of confidence in a UFA.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 23, 2011 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Do you think Bryz is going to come to Toronto knowing he may only get 40 games? If he’s got similar money/term on the table, he’s going to choose the one with a likely tandem scenario?
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Again, I don’t think Bryzgalov would see a 22 year old kid as a threat.
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It’s impossible to know what Bryz is looking for, obviously salary and term are up there, but in terms of contendor/competition for starts/NTCs etc, hard to tell.
What may need to be considered is if not TOR (or PHX), where?
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 23, 2011 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Tough to say.
Is Rask upset he’s playing behind Thomas right now? Is Schneider upset he’s behind Luongo?
Who knows what goes on in a goalie’s head, and how they examine UFA.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 23, 2011 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Rask seems like he gets upset at everything.
Schneider apparently has gotten tired of waiting for a chance to be a starter. But that’s more “sources say” than anything.
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by T is for Truculence on Mar 23, 2011 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
It’s all these hot-headed Scandinavians – Rask, Monster….
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by not norm ullman on Mar 23, 2011 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think that will be the thing that gets him moved, more like a failed cup run leafs to pressure for them to trade the gingerwonder for a piece that was missing during the playoffs
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 23, 2011 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
So, never?
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 23, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Bryz / Reimer, if they can stay as consistent as they have been, could be top 5 goalie tandems in the league.
Other notables would include Luongo/Schneider, Thomas/Rask, Rinne/Lindback… maybe Quick/Bernier.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 23, 2011 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Vokoun’s 34. Bryz is 30. Both will likely command at least a 4 year deal for $5MM or more.
Giggy was basically done as an NHL starter calibre goalie at 31.
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by The '67 Sound on Mar 23, 2011 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Hasek’s 46 and Brodeur was fine at 37.
24 different goalies have posted a .910 or higher in 30+ starts over the age of 31 since the lockout. (brodeur and Thomas 5 times, Vokoun 4.)
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Rob Niedermayer scored a goal. Your argument is invalid.
I know, I’m just saying I don’t think either of them are sure things.
Basically, for 5/$5MM your BEST case is they earn it… and there are a whole range of less-than-ideal outcomes.
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by The '67 Sound on Mar 23, 2011 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
I really don’t think you can get Vokoun without an NTC. No idea about Bryz
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The hopes for Bryzgalov hang heavily on his Burke connection, I’d think, and whether or not PHX can afford to even offer him a contract.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 23, 2011 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions
But so much happenned behind closed doors with burke and Bryz. I think there is a good relationship but its hard to know….
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 23, 2011 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions
And yet it won’t stop anyone from assuming they know…
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What, “sources say” isn’t good enough for you?
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 23, 2011 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
With 30.8 Shots/G and 0.915 goaltending we would have 215 GA and we are currently on pace for 212 GF, which according to Pythagoreom predicts a 91 point season
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We have young forwards we would hope for more production from Kulemin, Kadri and Kessel.
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Asking for more than a 30G season from Kulemin? Really? If he can keep repeating this season that would be more than I could ask for.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 23, 2011 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions
He’s young. He should keep getting better. We cross our fingers than MacArthur and Grabbo aren’t flukes, but their underlying numbers say they just dominate, and hope for the best.
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If he could improve on this years numbers I would be extremely impressed. That’s not being cynical, I just think he’s had a great season and repeating/improving it in the future is a tall order.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 23, 2011 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Here is my hope for our offense next year
MGK
20-25, 25-30, 25-30 Total 70-85 Goals average 77 Goals
Lupul Kadri Kessel
20, 15, 35 Total 70. Average 70 goals
UFA/Mueller/Caputi, Bozak, Army
15, 15, 15 Total 45 goals
Brown, Brent, Hanson (I know I didn’t put Orr in)
6, 8, 6 Total 20 goals
212 G for forwards
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Aulie-Phaneuf
4-12 16 goals
Gunnar-Schenn
6-6 12 goals
Lashoff-Komi
3-1 4 goals
42 Goals
256 Goals total. Lop off 10% for injuries and not everyone lives up to expectations. 230 GF.
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You expect 15 goals from Mueller?
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Keep grabbing free prospects, one of ’em have to work out eventually… maybe…
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 23, 2011 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Mueller's AHL stats
54 9 16 25 -1
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something to consider...
the Leafs have been extremely lucky this year that none of their top offensive players have dealt with injuries. Grabbo, Mac, Kule, Kessel, and Bozak have all played full seasons. It’s unlikely to happen two years in a row.
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God I hope we don’t lose Bozak for any length of time.
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Especially Mac-Grabbo-Kulemin, it’s amazing that the trio didn’t break up for more than a couple games (due to injury or whatever).
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 23, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree. See how he and Reimer play in camp. If one or both falter, bring in a veteran goalie.
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I don’t think camp should influence your strategy; it’s too late. Make your decision on bringing in a vet right now.
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By the time training camp rolls around the options on the market will be over-the-hill goalies and guys like Gustavsson looking for a chance somewhere. Not exactly awe-inspiring.
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by T is for Truculence on Mar 23, 2011 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Eh. He’s at most 250,000 overpaid. We gambled on a prospect and, at this point, lost.
I was – and still am – pretty upset with the rumor/news that Gustavsson really didn’t touch his pads much in the offseason. Should’ve been working on angles with Allaire all day every day, but instead….
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by Bower Power on Mar 23, 2011 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
All 3 goals blocker side high. The Leafs have figured out Niklas Backstrom; just another Bob Mason goalie.
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You know what hurts:
2 Losses to NYR earlier in the year 2-0 and 2-1.
We win those games, we’re tied with NYR for 8th.
This was during a particularly bad period when no-body could score. We went a combined 0-5 on the PP in those games.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Mar 23, 2011 9:26 AM EDT reply actions
Let’s not hurt ourselves looking back at all the winnable games that the Leafs blew.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 23, 2011 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions
No looking back at November then…
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Habs probably threw the game intentionally.
On the Mike Weber bandwagon (Stupid penalties and all!)
Rob Niedermayer scored a goal. Your argument is invalid.
Would not surprise me. Their hatred for Toronto runs deep.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 23, 2011 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions
This is what you get for cheering for them. Never look for help from your enemies; they’d rather see you burn.
The hilariousness of the waiver wire this year proves that, especially in the West.
And Nabokov.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 23, 2011 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Who cares? I don’t want to back into the playoffs because everyone lost. The Leafs are playing well and if they win a ton of games and barely miss I harbored no illusion of winning the Cup. I don’t care if we miss the playoffs by a point as long as we finish this season on a tear.
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I’d want to make the playoffs the same way Montreal did last year when they were beaten in the final game of the season but inevitably made it in because someone else lost (who was it? The Rangers?).
Then again, my standards are probably very low.
by hockeysense on Mar 23, 2011 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions
I’ll rephrase: I’d be happy if we made the playoffs however, but I’m not going to get upset that other teams didn’t roll over and die for us.
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I know what you meant, I just felt like being jerky. Lack of coffee in the morning does that to me.
by hockeysense on Mar 23, 2011 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions
#unfollowdamiencox
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Haha
Of course the campaign was a bust because everyone had already unfollowed him or gotten blocked by him.
On the Mike Weber bandwagon (Stupid penalties and all!)
Rob Niedermayer scored a goal. Your argument is invalid.
Yeah
Cox, buddy, we gave you your 15 minutes attention for your troll baiting. Feel free to move on. We have.
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how did you know he said this? are you still following him?
you should #unfollowdamiencox
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 23, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Someone passed it on to me earlier this morning.
by hockeysense on Mar 23, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
that’s what someone who follows damien cox would say
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 23, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
They should feel shame. You can unseppuku
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my question of the day...
does Grabo have the potential to become a better player than Kessel? Their point production is almost exactly the same, but Grabo is a + 12 and Kessel is a – 20. Not to mention Grabo has 40 hits.
If you’re expecteding Kessel to chalk up a lot of hits you’re in for disappointment… I think Kessel has a better shot but Grabbo has been a phenomenon this year.
I’d still love to see Kessel with better linemates… I know that’s a cheap excuse but it’s true. So many great players in the league could be phenominal with better centres/linemates… Nash, Iginla, Kovalchuk… maybe even Vanek.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 23, 2011 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Iginla’s scored 30 goals for 10 years straight with questionable linemates. Who needs em?
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by theninjagreg on Mar 23, 2011 4:32 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
So might Kessel, but wouldn’t it be nice if he DID have good linemates?
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 23, 2011 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Grabovski does have the benefit of a strong line-mate in Kulemin and MacArthur. Kessel’s been playing with Crabb, Boyce, Bozak, and others all year. When you’re being centred by a struggling player like Bozak, it’s hard to consistently produce.
Kessel has more natural skill I think. Plus, his play-making is underrated to the point where it’s never talked about.
by hockeysense on Mar 23, 2011 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Kessel’s gotten opportunities with Grabbo, Kulemin and MacArthur at one time or another. For whatever reason, it hasn’t clicked. Those three seem to just work better together than with anybody else.
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by T is for Truculence on Mar 23, 2011 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Kessel never clicked with Kulemin? I think you have a short term memory.
Problem is we only have 1 Kulemin and he’s much better with Grabbo.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 23, 2011 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Sigh
My kingdom for another Kulemin.
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Grabovski is probably at his peak. Kessel is still developing. No one would trade Kessel for Grabovski.
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I would change peak to prime personally
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So you expect Grabovski to continue this kind of production year-in, year-out?
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For two or three seasons, sure.
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Like Chemmy said, for the next couple of years, yes
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I’d expect about a 10% dropoff over the next three seasons, on average.
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Rob Niedermayer scored a goal. Your argument is invalid.
I’m not convinced that Grabovski can do this consistently. Maybe I’m still bothered by his 2010 campaign but he’s quite the high-maintenance scorer. Ron Wilson always surrounds Grabovski with the better players than he does with Kessel.
by hockeysense on Mar 23, 2011 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Grabovski, by all accounts, is driving that his own offense, better linemates or not.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 23, 2011 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
It’s easier to drive when you’re not being tail-gated.
by hockeysense on Mar 23, 2011 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe I’m still bothered by his 2010 campaign
Where he put up 35pts in 59 games? Which is a close to a 50pt pace. Terrible.
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It’s not terrible but he certainly didn’t look like a good-team scorer. No structure in his game, lack of consistency, poor back-checking, etc.
by hockeysense on Mar 23, 2011 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions
You missed “quick-strike offence” and “giving 110%”. Too bad, you almost won Hockey Cliche Bingo
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by thenumber14 on Mar 23, 2011 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Grabovski:
In 07-08 shot 13%
In 08-09 shot 16.7%
In 09-10 shot 7.9% WITH A WRIST INJURY
In 10-11 shot 12.8%
Weird that he didn’t shoot well in an injury shortened season with a wrist injury. He’s probably inconsistent and a poor player.
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Or cross check enough.
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by thenumber14 on Mar 23, 2011 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Wasn’t saying he was a poor player but I recall a good percentage of Leafs fans demanding Grabovski be traded for an upgrade. I like Grabovski. I love his effort. I love his passion. But I’m unconvinced he can sustain this next year.
He also seems to be tailing off a bit as the season wears on. Probably just tired.
by hockeysense on Mar 23, 2011 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Doesn’t look like the whirling dervish he was earlier in the year. Seems a bit off. The entire line does. Still producing but they don’t seem to have the same oomph to their game that they had earlier in the season.
by hockeysense on Mar 23, 2011 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Still producing. Don’t care what he “looks” like.
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So it’s a concern. If they are adjusting to the opposition’s adjustments against them, then I have nothing to base my subjective criticism (if you can call it that) on. But I don’t see much of a change in the way team’s play the Grabovski line, and they look and play differently than usual. At some point, I think another shoe is going to drop.
by hockeysense on Mar 23, 2011 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
He had a 2 point game as recently as last night.
Almost no player in the league puts up points every game. Yeesh.
If you’re concerned about Grabbo’s production you must be shitting yourself about Kessel’s goalscoring.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 23, 2011 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
You get hit from behind into the boards by Chara and see how you play
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I’d probably be Zombie hockeysense. Which is exactly how Grabovski seems to be playing lately.
by hockeysense on Mar 23, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
HE IS STLL PUTTING UP POINTS AND PENALTY KILLING WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT
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Everyone is going to go through hot and cold stretched. It is simply the way the world works. Do you prefer this cold stretch to Kessel’s cold stretches?
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Again, I’m not criticizing the production. I’m concerned about the lack of effectiveness over a full game – the line doesn’t have the same zip, speed, or oomph they had earlier in the year.
by hockeysense on Mar 23, 2011 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
If he didn’t score but zipped all over the ice is that a good game?
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by Chemmy on Mar 23, 2011 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
only 22% since he doesn’t backcheck.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 23, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Crosschecking (because its legal) adds 25% top zip% each game
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That sounds like a GameGenie cheat code.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 23, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
One line’s effectiveness can lead to another line’s production. Think of it this way – the Grabovski line has been lights-out all year but the last several games, they haven’t the same zip or legs that they had all year. And because of that seeming drop in game-speed when they are on the ice, they don’t seem to be as effective as they used to be, leaving less space on the ice for Kessel as teams aren’t keying in so much on the Grabovski line.
Now I can’t really prove this unless I actually go and watch game-tapes, which I can’t really do right now, but if someone wants to go check, the lines don’t seem to as effective – it’s a criticism that has come up as recently as prior to last night’s game, and Kessel has one goal in 10 games. The first line (Grabovski’s line) needs to be a bit more effective at wearing teams down with their speed in order to make more space for Kessel to do his thing.
by hockeysense on Mar 23, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Again
Its just a case of your looking at a few games. Every line is going to go through some hot stretches and cold stretches. If you look at there monthly splits they have been pretty consistent over the year
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The Grabovski line was practically not there at all last night in Minnesota.
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by Bower Power on Mar 23, 2011 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
How sneaky of them to get a combined 5 points without being there!
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 23, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
We went over a lot of this when Kessel was in his 14 game slump. Shooting percentage is not distributed evenly over the year. When a bad stretch clumps together we start to look at creating a narrative when the reality is that it’s just the bounces going against a line. The underlying numbers show that nothing’s changed.
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I missed that post, I’d like to read it.
But are you saying the relationship between two lines is non-existent?
by hockeysense on Mar 23, 2011 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
You can go through the H2H Time On Ice charts in the game recaps and see that the opposition plays their best players against the Grabovski line.
The post on shooting percentages is here.
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zip, speed, or oomph
These are more difficult to analyze.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 23, 2011 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Over the last 10 games
Grabbo – 3G, 4A
Kule – 3G, 4A
MacA – 1G, 4A
Ho boy! They’re terrible!
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I'm worried
their zip has fallen off from 82 to 63.5
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 23, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Pretty sure you have to repeatedly jab your thumb on the B button.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 23, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A.
by hockeysense on Mar 23, 2011 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Chara takes 98 lives with any hit, including those to the Stanchion. I await your counterpoint.
by hockeysense on Mar 23, 2011 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Sick Burn, yo.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 23, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Isn’t that a criticism of Grabovski’s game? No hockey sense?
Keep yer up up, Ruskie.
by hockeysense on Mar 23, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
I recall a good percentage of Leafs fans demanding Grabovski be traded for an upgrade.
Yup. And they were wrong. Read the post below, Making a case for Mickey Grabs.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 23, 2011 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
I fully admit I was wrong
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the guy who wrote that is pretty smart
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 23, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
A good percentage of Leafs fans are like a good percentage of sports fans: stupid.
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Right
Think of the most averagely intelligent person you know. Half of the people you know are dumber than that guy. Same goes for any group.
The people that wanted to trade Grabovski probably wanted to trade Schenn and like paste in their morning coffee.
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Which kind of paste?
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 23, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
I can’t believe this exists. I should go ask my ex-girlfriend if she wants to come over to bake.
by hockeysense on Mar 23, 2011 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
If you don’t like a guy just say you don’t like him. I don’t like Clarke MacArthur even though the more I dig the more it seems like he’s driving numbers pretty well.
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Like I said, I like Grabovski’s effort, skill-level, and passion.
But he’s had two inconsistent years versus one. What makes you so confident that he’s going to be able to sustain this?
by hockeysense on Mar 23, 2011 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Two inconsistent years?
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He’s top 1 in the league in balanced relative corsi. That’s probably a good thing.
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Saw the numbers and I never said this year has been the product of some magical planet alignment.
by hockeysense on Mar 23, 2011 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
What about Clarke MacArthur rubs you the wrong way?
I’m not here to defend him I’m just curious.
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by thenumber14 on Mar 23, 2011 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
it’s the butt chin and the curly hair isnt it? I’ve always found that combination rather strange.
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by thenumber14 on Mar 23, 2011 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nothing pretty about his play, but i’ve seen him feed Kulemin/Grabbo some nice passes, and it’s hard to argue with that PING goal the other night.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 23, 2011 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Probably his inconsistency before coming to the Leafs.
by hockeysense on Mar 23, 2011 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
The MacArthur’s and the MacChemmy’s hate one other.
It’s a Scottish thing.
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by not norm ullman on Mar 23, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
I remember that he was hurt, still put up decent numbers with useless linemates and some misguided people still inexplicably didn’t like him.
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by The '67 Sound on Mar 23, 2011 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Thats not true
His takeaway per game was great and him and Kule led the team in penalties drawn to taken ratio.
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Sounds like some one has a case of “didn’t read Jared’s Grabbo-love post”-itis.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 23, 2011 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Attaboy birky:
i have an idea…
include grabovski in a deal to washington to get RFA Eric Fehr.
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by not norm ullman on Mar 23, 2011 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Question 2: Who do you think will be the biggest surprise for the Leafs this year?
Chemmy: Kris Versteeg. He’s going to erupt this year.
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1st AND 3rd. The 3rd will clearly be the next Lidstrom!
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or the next McKegg.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 23, 2011 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
I was going to say McKegg but he still hasn’t played in the NHL yet…
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he’s going to break the tourny points record at the WJC next year
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 23, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
McKegg is just the first coming of whoever we get with this 3rd round pick.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 23, 2011 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
He was playing well here before he got traded to Philly.
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55pt pace before we cut and run on him.
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Meanwhile we wait for Fehr to crack the 40pt mark. Too bad we couldn’t trade Grabovski ++ for his RFA rights.
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I’m going to write about this.
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I look forward to reading it. Reading over the “Is Kessel a streaky scorer” article. Thanks for the link.
AND GRABOVSKI SUCKS (just kidding).
by hockeysense on Mar 23, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Last year Grabbo’s most common linemates were Blake, Hagman, Poni, Caputi and Stalberg. Those guys have COMBINED for 90 points this year. Throwing out Caputi, they’ve averaged 22.5 points. But yeah, Grabbo was surrounded with better players.
He had a 50 point pace, playing much of the year with a bum wrist and shit teammates.
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by The '67 Sound on Mar 23, 2011 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Grabbo is also playing with good talent on his line in MacA and Kulemin. Kessel for most of the season had Bozak, Crabb, Mitchell, Brent, Armstrong, Versteeg, etc….. While Grabbo’s line has been pretty steady all year. Getting comfortable with your linemates is important.
Give Kessel a full season with Lupul and (insert decent center here) and you’ll see quite a turnaround.
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I agree. I guess the question came out wrong. It was more about the potential of Grabovski than Kessels production. I am happy with both of them. But i expected it from Kessel, not from grabo. point is, i like them both, and hope Grabovski can continue.
I predicted 20 G, 50-55 points out of Grab this year. He’s on pace for 31 G, 60 points. So he is out performing his points somewhat, but his goals a lot. Its his goal scoring that has really impressed me this year
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He’s also shooting 12.8%, which is barely above his career average. Kulemin (16.3%) is the only one of our top 4 scorers who is clearly getting some bounces.
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by The '67 Sound on Mar 23, 2011 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
His career avg is probably significantly depressed by his outlier last season when he had a wrist injury which likely impacts shooting percentage to a great deal.
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Yup.
Phil and Mac are both below career averages.
If Phil ever puts together a 15%+ year with a decent centre, watch out.
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by The '67 Sound on Mar 23, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m a huge grabbo fan, but he worries me with the punishment he takes, I can’t see him having a long, productive career.
by A Lindros Jaw on Mar 23, 2011 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
He never seems injured though, bless that adamantium.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 23, 2011 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
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by theninjagreg on Mar 23, 2011 10:34 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Um what?
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Can we point and laugh at Jersey for ruining their best chance at a good draft pick now?
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yeah i thought this too.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Mar 23, 2011 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
Hilarious. I bet they give this one up in the punishment though.
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doubt it... still gunna be a top 10 pick it aint gunna be a landeskog but could be a strome or huberdeau
by WizardofNaz on Mar 23, 2011 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
If they can get it a bit higher I wonder if they give up a pick they know is in a bad draft rather than roll the dice that they do even worse next year. Then again, I don’t think they’ll do this poorly next year. I retract my bet.
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Biggest wild card for them is their contract negotiations with Parise. I’d say it’s 99% chance he’s not going anywhere, but he could command a huge portion of their cap, so this team + Parise is pretty much it for next year.
Not that that is a bad thing.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 23, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Only $7.2M in capspace with Parise unsigned, 5 defensemen and no backup goaltender. They really have to move somebody or risk losing Parise.
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by SkinnyFish on Mar 23, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thought we probably have a much better chance and actually getting Parise. I think we see him get offer sheeted this offseason if he’s not locked up by July 1st.
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Word is they’ll file for arbitration to avoid the offersheet.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 23, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
I doubt we’re the only team with the idea haha.
Problem is Burke won’t do an offer sheet until he exhausts every possible trade idea for Jersey.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 23, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Devils will trade anyone they can before Parise.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 23, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Except Brodeur or Kovalchuk.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 23, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
anyone they can
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I think any offer sheet for a 1st2nd+3rd $ amount would be matched by NJ but they would give in if a team went for the 4 1st’s $ amount as even Parise isnt worth 4 1st’s
by WizardofNaz on Mar 23, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
even Parise isnt worth 4 1st’s
I wouldn’t be so sure about that.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 23, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
If Parise propels your team to perennial conference finals appearances or better and those 4 picks are 25th or higher, it’s close.
One aspect to an offer sheet of that magnitude is that the GM would have to consider Parise’s mental fortitude being involved in a deal like that though, knowing how heavy the expectations would be on his shoulders.
Truculligerestosterugnacity.
Especially if it was to Toronto. Man, we thought the Kessel deal was controversial.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 23, 2011 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
It cost a second and a third to go from 7th to 5th to get Schenn.
The Islanders had to make to separate trades to move from #26 to #12 to get Calvin de Haan, that involved sending out seven picks in total and getting three back.
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GMs go crazy on draft day and deadline day. And July 1st.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 23, 2011 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Why? Because of the forced Arb thing? That’s still just a rumour.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 23, 2011 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Is there precedent for it? I’ve never heard it happening before.
I actually find it more likely they reach a deal before then.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 23, 2011 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
By precedent do you mean team initiated arbitration? Yes, it has happened in the past.
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Yes that's what I meant, I've just never heard of it happening.
Then again I only started following offseason moves closely in the last few years.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 23, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Kaleta last year, Harding the year before that, maybe more.
But the threat of using it propels players to sign at the last minute.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Mar 23, 2011 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Cap could go up but that doesn’t really help them that much.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 23, 2011 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
No they’ll keep the pick.
But the reality is they’re betting against the clock re: Brodeur, and they have to pick one out of four years to give up a first.
They could have tried to get their cap situation cleaned up this year and taken a top 3 pick, then handed over a mid-round pick in Year 3 or 4 once they had things back on track.
Basically now they’re in the same situation they were last year, with no viable Brodeur replacement, and if they bottom out again they might be forced to hand over a lotto pick.
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I think they try for one last push next season and give up that pick after which time most of their cap issues (roloston and zubruis contracts over and Marty probably retiring) will be somewhat resolved and then they’ll drop off and bottom out yr 3
by WizardofNaz on Mar 23, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
I understand the incentives involved, but I’ll never, ever begrudge a team for going for it.
Maybe I’m old school, but I think every game matters, and I find tanking quite distasteful. It matters to the fans in the stands, it matters in the standings. It’s a tight league and when teams throw in the towel and start giving points away to improve their draft position, it distorts the standings. I know lots of teams do it, and it’s accepted strategy, but I don’t like it.
I give it two dismissive wank motions out of five, and a mouth fart.
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by thenumber14 on Mar 23, 2011 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
So I just told a guy in my class that Calgary is the Leafs of 5 years ago
And he says:
“Well at least we have Iginla. And before you say anything he is better than Sundin.”
I really don’t feel like running the numbers myself. Can someone provide the proof of why he is extremely wrong?
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You could just laugh at him, that works too.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 23, 2011 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
I just told him.
“He has more goals per game, more points per game, more overal goals and points”
He mentioned that Iginla has 8 straight 30 goal seasons.
So I pointed out that in in Sundin’s entire career he had 3 seasons BELOW 30 goals (including his rookie season). Sundin leads the league (period) in OT goals.
I didn’t even point out that if you adjust for era Sundin was a 1.1 ppg player to Iggy’s 0.95
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When I said tihs
He replied, “We’ll disagree who is more important to there team” then started quacking his hands to what I said.
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Sundin as it turns out, was keeping the whole mess of our team from falling apart in those last few years.
He’s very similar to Iginla in a number of ways.
You can't give up hope just because it's hopeless. You have to hope even harder, cover your ears, and go 'blah blah blah blah blah!'
by nhlcheapshot on Mar 23, 2011 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh I see the similarity. He is just wrong.
He also tried to say “one will be in the hall of fame (referring to Iginla)”.
I am sorry 26th in points, 20th in G, 1st in OT G, 7th in GWG (thats probably his best stat. CLUTCH MOTHER FUCKER), 17th in SHG, 33rd in A,
I am drinking the Kule-aid!
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I didn't finish that thought sorry
I am sorry 26th in points, 20th in G, 1st in OT G, 7th in GWG (thats probably his best stat. CLUTCH MOTHER FUCKER), 17th in SHG, 33rd in A better get him in the damn HOF
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Phil Housley is fourth in points by a defenseman and he isn’t in.
On the Mike Weber bandwagon (Stupid penalties and all!)
Rob Niedermayer scored a goal. Your argument is invalid.
Housley sucks. Brittle bones too.
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by not norm ullman on Mar 23, 2011 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
I dunno if I would call him extremely wrong….
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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Meh
Just laugh and say “and what did the Leafs do with Sundin? Same as Calgary’s going to do”
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Sundin is the the only player in league history to score a single goal meeting these criteria:
-500th goal
-hat-trick
-overtime winner
-shorthanded
Guess which team he scored it on?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMkovnLI6RU
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by lucc on Mar 23, 2011 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
my favourite mats memory. watching it with about 8 guys, 6 of them leaf haters. i lost my shit.
WE MISS YOU TOMAS
are you in my poker group?
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Mar 23, 2011 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Odds Bryan Murray gets extended in Ottawa?
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 23, 2011 11:34 AM EDT reply actions
80 percent now that he has probably convinced the ownership that his tank will work really well
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Mar 23, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Can’t wait for that day.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 23, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
I hope high
at this point I’m praying that Landeskog gets by Ottawa at #2 as he’s currently my favourite OHL player (im a huge Kitchener fan) and it would kill me to have to see him in a sens uni as I’d have to denounce him
by WizardofNaz on Mar 23, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Can’t wait for Murray to draft the next Cowen.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 23, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
I just want Burke to come in before Ottawa picks and say “is this who you want… to bad were taking him” and proceed to pick out of order
by WizardofNaz on Mar 23, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Colorado fall to #2 down the stretch here, they’re falling like a rock and have Elliot in net.. Is Landeskog a can’t-miss at #2 or could he fall further? Either way the Sens are drafting top-3 so they’ll get a good player. Hopefully whoever he is, he’ll be “poisoned by the losing culture” (hey if it supposedly happened to us it can happen to them!)
Truculligerestosterugnacity.
There’s no consensus #1 this year the way there has been the last few.The top 6 vary depending who you talk to.
This is going to be a very intersting draft, and I would imagine that if ever there was a year where someone is going to swing a trade to move into the lottery to draft someone they like, it will be this one.
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Just for shits and giggles, what about the Leafs getting in on that? I’m of the opinion that unless a great deal comes along for a bona fide under-25 player, or a spot in the top-5, we should select our 2 players in that first round.
Truculligerestosterugnacity.
to get into the top 4 (where the Leafs need to get one of the 3 high end forwards in Coutourier, NH or Landeskog) it would cost, at the very least, both 1sts, a 2nd, Mckegg and Blacker
but they would probably want Kadri instead of Blacker and more
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Mar 23, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Good on Van Ryn to start coaching. It was sad when he kept getting injured he played some decent hockey for us :(
as his neurologist, I agree. :)
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Mar 23, 2011 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Everyone go take out $1000!
There are 1,000,000 PPP members, right?
You can't give up hope just because it's hopeless. You have to hope even harder, cover your ears, and go 'blah blah blah blah blah!'
by nhlcheapshot on Mar 23, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Your $1000 will buy you what exactly? One vote among millions? Why bother?
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I own one share of Planet kajiggers so I’m entitled to some answers. Question 1: Why does no one visit me in my home?
’Cause your apartment smells like Polygrip and cat pee
Enough talk. It’s time for action. I move that everyone come to my apartment to snuggle my cat.
Scruffy: Second.
Farnsworth: I move that your cat stinks and is ugly.
Scruffy: Second.
Hattie: I move that we vote on a new chief executive officer and oust this old creep. And also that make cat smells good and is pretty.
Scruffy: Second.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 23, 2011 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
You own 20% of Planet Express?
Scruffy believes in this company.
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I’d sell my shares for a sandwich!
Done.
Ha! You were taken! I’d have settled for a hard roll with some ketchup.
What an amazing episode.
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One of the best, love Mom heavy episodes.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 23, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Once again, the sandwich heavy portfolio pays off for the hungry investor!
You can't give up hope just because it's hopeless. You have to hope even harder, cover your ears, and go 'blah blah blah blah blah!'
by nhlcheapshot on Mar 23, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
My sandwich has it too appreciated in value please oh please!
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 23, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
My only regret… is that I have… bone-itis
You can't give up hope just because it's hopeless. You have to hope even harder, cover your ears, and go 'blah blah blah blah blah!'
by nhlcheapshot on Mar 23, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
What was Teacher’s claiming, 18% ROI? I’d take $200 for a $1000 investment I suppose.
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I’d like to see some historicals before I’d believe 18% ROI.
You can't give up hope just because it's hopeless. You have to hope even harder, cover your ears, and go 'blah blah blah blah blah!'
by nhlcheapshot on Mar 23, 2011 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Now THAT’s a dividend I could get behind.
You can't give up hope just because it's hopeless. You have to hope even harder, cover your ears, and go 'blah blah blah blah blah!'
by nhlcheapshot on Mar 23, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Great plan! So we can have the owners vote to trade Grabovski for pucks last year! Brilliant!
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Nonis – Hey Brian, the owners seem to have voted on a motion for you to trade Kadri and those two first rounders for Doughty and Kopitar and a secondary motion that they will fire you if you don’t
Burke – Fuck this, I’m going back to Cali, you coming Dave?
Nonis – Hell yeah, I’ll go get Francois and we can try and get a group rate on flights
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Mar 23, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
This has got to piss off a lot of Habs fans...
@MurphysLaw74
Jimmy Murphy
Mark Recchi on @985TheSportsHub agreed with Michael Felger that Habs “embellished” Pacioretty’s injury to get Chara suspended.
You can't give up hope just because it's hopeless. You have to hope even harder, cover your ears, and go 'blah blah blah blah blah!'
The new Puck Daddy article sums things up pretty well.
This:
But, for the love of the hockey gods, why, why, why would you voice this theory on the radio?
Why would you pour gasoline on the embers, even if you’re convinced it’s true? The teams play on Thursday. They could very well play in the postseason. The hockey world had turned its weary eyes to Matt Cooke after weeks of Chara/Pacioretty; Recchi just shot up a giant burning flare to draw attention back the other way.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 23, 2011 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions
This is obviously old news but thinking more and more about it the Anderson signing makes no sense.
The Sens have acknowledged they are going to be rebuilding. So unless they’re aiming for a quick turnaround all Anderson is going to do is screw them out of a lottery pick for the next four years. Reminds me of what Voukon has done in Florida. He has made the Panthers just good enough to stay out of the bottom two teams for the last few years.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 23, 2011 8:12 PM EDT reply actions
When I heard about that signing, I thought the exact same thing – it’s Vokoun all over again.
WE MISS YOU TOMAS
Boggles the mind it does.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 23, 2011 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Marlies 5-1 currently over the Griffons
Apparently Scrivens is putting on a clinic, and our new signing Brenner has 2 goals on the night.
Hamilton (x2) and Voros with the other goals.
I liiiiiiiiiike. Gooooooo Marlies
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