Matt Frattin Is A 2011 Hobey Baker Award Finalist
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Matt Frattin has been announced as one of three finalists for the Hobey Baker Award which is awarded to the NCAA's top player. Here is their profile:
Matt Frattin – University of North Dakota, Senior, Forward, Edmonton, Alberta
Sometimes you need a second chance in life. Suspended by his team for the first half of last season, Matt Frattin earned an opportunity to rejoin the squad for the second half, then passed up pro hockey to return for his senior season. And what a year. Named the WCHA Player of the Year and a First Team all-star, Frattin helped North Dakota to a number one national ranking plus the WCHA regular season and playoff titles and a berth in next week’s NCAA Frozen Four championship. He led the conference in scoring bagging 22 goals and 40 points in 28 league games. Entering the Frozen Four, his 36 goals and 24 assists for 60 points, places him first in the nation in goals by a lofty 5-goal margin and second in points. The prototypical power forward is a Recreation and Tourism Studies major and two-time All Academic student-athlete. He has been active with a Grand Forks, ND Rescue Mission, the Grand Forks Parks District and with the Sioux Kids Club. He is a draft pick of the Toronto Maple Leafs.
He'll be competing against Cam Atkinson, a junior forward from Boston College (Sucks!) and Andy Miele, a senior forward from Miami University of Ohio which is the alma mater of the late Brendan Burke.
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They all seem like good shots. I have heard he is the favourite, but that Miele kid looks pretty good.
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Except if we are going to be smart asses
1 in 3 is the probability not the odds. The odds are 1:2
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I just thought it was the funniest.
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by MapleLeafMole on Mar 30, 2011 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Fuck
I should pay more attention before I try to be a smart ass. lol
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Since you’re in smartass mode, can you remember offhand what his NHL equivalency is? I can’t remember / find it.
I think somone said ~40 points, but I may be wrong.
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However I think the point totals used to calculate the NHLe include his tournament points too, no?
In which case his NHLe is rising with every goal/point he continues to score in the Frozen Four (and beyond?)
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 30, 2011 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Well it would only increase if he scores above his old pace. Its based on per game numbers right?
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I’m not actually sure if these tournament points count (you’d think they wouldn’t if they were trying to make it an even keele for all players… ) but if it’s based on pts/game it may indeed include the tourney ones.
Whatever, that’s just a projection, what matters is what he’ll actually produce if/when he signs here.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 30, 2011 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions
but why not?
The tourney games would be against tougher competition … so it doesn’t really ruin the equity.
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 30, 2011 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Ya I was trying to equate it to how NHL point totals usually separates regular season and post-season play, but since projections are based on per game anyway, it doesn’t really matter for the most part how far they go in evaluating the NHLe.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 30, 2011 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d put it at like 75%, based on public speculation. He is having a terrific tournament.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 30, 2011 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Its not all based on the tourny though. That Miele kid had 11 more points than him (obv a bunch less goals… but still)
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If you take NHL average of 1.7 assists per goal, and value goals as 1.7x an assists, their new adjusted point totals become:
Frattin – 85.2
Miele – 87.8
Miele still has the edge.
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That being said, Miami didn’t make it past the round of 16 and ND is in the Frozen Four.
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this matters
I think he gets it based on his tourney play.
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 30, 2011 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Heh, ya I know.
But I really think the only thing holding him back from winning would be if they use his previous transgretions against him, sort of a “we can’t give this to a guy who used to abuse alcohol and throw lawnmowers because it would be a dishonour to the man it was named after” sort of deal.
Let’s just say, I’d be surprised if he didn’t win it… but maybe it’ll make him easier to sign if he doesn’t win it? Who knows.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 30, 2011 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I think
people like a redemption story though, so that could also work in his favour… screw up does right kinda deal.
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 30, 2011 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Word is that it’s essentially a 2 horse race between Frattin and Miele. Atkinson doesn’t have a chance in hell. Everyone expects Miele to get it based on his lead in overall points, but I think a majority believe Frattin is actually the best player. So it’s a tough call for the voters.
Atkinson would deserve it if it was for best NCAA career. But not this year.
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This is incorrect, as anyone who has an NCAA career at Boston College, by default, did not have the best NCAA career.
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to be fair to Frattin
and his entire career, he was actually producing at a pace that would have seen him put up around 20 goals and 13 assists last year… so he would have possibly ended up with around 33 points, which would have been a steady improvement over his first two years, and leading into this year.
He’s gotten better with every season, similarly to how Miele has also improved. He went from 14 to 31 to 44 to 71 over his 4 years. Frattin would have jumped from 15 to 25 to 33 to 60 this year. Bigger jump in production, but Frattin’s always been more of a goal scorer.
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 30, 2011 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I was talking about Atkinson who scored 30 goals and a sophomore and 31 goals this year as a junior.
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I realize this
I was just going over Frattin’s numbers for his career to compare them to the other 2.
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 30, 2011 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Recreation and tourism good lord
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he's going to be
in charge of their helicopter tours of North Dakota… and NYC eventually once he gets the lay of the land.
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 30, 2011 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions
no
he probably has a deal with the hockey program, if he drinks anymore he’s out… I’d be shocked if it were otherwise based on how they revoked his ticket.
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 30, 2011 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t know much about American degrees. But I know as a post grad college program in Canada it is a good program to get jobs in hotel management.
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Recreation and Tourism is not Hotel Management.
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You are.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 30, 2011 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I only know because my buddy majored in Hotel Mgmt (And now manages a hotel – shocking, I know)
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 30, 2011 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions
You can take hotel management at University?
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 30, 2011 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions
college
normally.
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 30, 2011 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions
.....
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 30, 2011 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJl0XuDKSjc
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by happiergilmore on Mar 30, 2011 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s amazing.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 30, 2011 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions
they both sound hilariously like floater degrees though
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 30, 2011 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions
basket weaving
is still top of that pile of shit… but yes.
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 30, 2011 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Burtch found the course list and posted it. Jesus Christ what a joke! It was like a syllabus for a single course, except each individual one-day lesson was worth a full credit.
they all involved
introduction to the current state of recreational activities and their impact on the modern recreational experience blah blah blah… it was basically a tonne of B.S.
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 30, 2011 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions
it looked like a bunch of
outdoor education courses… he’s probably qualified to run a rafting or kayaking tour company or something.
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 30, 2011 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions
It looks like that was where his volunteering was too
He has been active with a Grand Forks, ND Rescue Mission, the Grand Forks Parks District and with the Sioux Kids Club.
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yeah
I’m sure he’s your typical outdoor enthusiast that also plays a lot of hockey. He’s from Edmonton, so it’s not like he hasn’t had exposure to the outdoors or something… and North Dakota was pretty similar from a night life perspective I bet.
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 30, 2011 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Outdoor enthusiasts tend to be in good shape. So hopefully that means sometihng…
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yeah
but he also might have been the sort of guy to get into trouble away from the rink before going through what he did last year… now if his head is screwed on straight we might have a solid player on our hands.
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 30, 2011 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I honestly think he will
we need a power winger in about 2 years that’ll be productive, and he could easily be that guy.
We also stood by him when he was down… I think that counts for something with a player and their agent… of course maybe I’m delusional at this point?
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 30, 2011 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok I'm looking at BtN's NCAA equivalency stuff
and it looks like at Frattin’s age next year, he’ll be 23, and that means we can expect him to retain 0.29 of his points produced in the NCAA as a rookie NHLer… based on generalities. That would likely change if he saw increased ice time, or if he played with more skilled players (for instance on the PP). That being said… this likely means he goes from a 60 point player in the NCAA to a 17 point player in the NHL.
Maybe we’re getting a bit ahead of ourselves with the raised expectations?
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Here's the posting on Kyle Okposo I'm referring to on this
and it doesn’t look great for 23 year NHL rookies fresh from an NCAA campaign.
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 30, 2011 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions
how is that relevant?
It’s on a ppg basis….
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 30, 2011 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions
oh shit
nm… I just realized my math is bad… lol… forgot the NHL season is twice as long… sorry… ok 17 should be around 34 then.
Thanks for catching that… apologies.
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 30, 2011 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions
but still
a 34 point 82 game season would probably be seen as disappointing by many for a Hobey Baker award winner.
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 30, 2011 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Considering
how people have been all over Bozak for being “crappy” while playing 0.49 ppg hockey… as a 23 year old player making the leap, which would translate to about twice his EXPECTED production based on his NCAA play (0.95 ppg player).
If you use a 0.29 equivalency, that should translate to a 0.28 ppg player… he’s far above that, even this year in his sophomore slump.
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 30, 2011 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Hahah
I was just calculating that. To be fair if the equivalencies carry to goals its a 20 goal season.
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I think
what it comes down to, is the average fan has no concept of what they should anticipate from an NCAA player making the jump at the age of 23… they want the guy that won the Hobey Baker award to turn into Jonathan Toews, despite the fact that Toews made the jump when he was 19…
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 30, 2011 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions
maybe I'm exaggerating
and I’m not referring to everyone in here… I’m just thinking of people that actively complain about what they see from the likes of Bozak… it’s sort of galling to some extent.
His +/- is pretty atrocious, but people’s expectations are horribly unrealistic.
Dustin Penner made the jump when he was 23, and in his rookie season he was a 0.37 ppg player… in his second year he was a 0.55 ppg player, in year 3 he was a 0.57 ppg player, then in year 4 he dipped to 0.47, before jumping in year 5 to 0.77 ppg player. This year is his 6th, and he’s a 0.60 ppg player.
Bozak is sitting at 0.49 and he’s a year and a bit in… I just think people need to relax a tad.
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 30, 2011 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m really bad for knowing what established NHLers came from the NCAA too, havent’ been following hockey for long enough.
think like
Andy MacDonald, Chris Kunitz, Dustin Penner… they’re guys that made the jump later in their careers.
Young guys that jumped earlier include the likes of Toews, Kessel, Okposo, Wheeler, Turris…
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 30, 2011 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions
if an NCAA player
lights shit up before his 19th birthday, and makes the jump after his rookie or sophomore season in college, odds are he’s a top end talent.
If he’s a top draft pick… odds are he’s a top end talent.
If he plays his full 4 years and puts up good numbers in his final season? He’s probably serviceable, and will likely end up in the NHL if he has decent size and can skate ok… but he’s not likely to turn into a huge point producer.
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 30, 2011 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Frattin
fits into the latter group… they occasionally develop into semi-productive top 6 forwards… but not frequently.
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 30, 2011 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions
He has the advantage of being drafted. We can maintain hope that he’ll turn into one of the Kunitz, Penner, or (a European example) Franzen’s of the worlds. But it is unlikely.
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even if he turns into a stalberg, i’d be happy with it
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 30, 2011 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions
His equivalency is 20G 34 pts (not sure if you can do equivalency for goals though…)
Sounds like Stalberg to me!
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totally different games, but yes
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 30, 2011 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions
One is a speedster who sometimes uses his size a little to hold onto the puck. The other is a grinding player who does whatever is needed to score, with less skill but hopefully more determination
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Frattin has a better shot, Stalberg had better speed, neither have spectacular hands, it will be interesting to see if Frattin has enough speed so his shot can do damage at an NHL level and he isn’t just a more phyisical jeremy williams
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 30, 2011 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I won’t be upset with a more physical jeremy williams (he is the one that just got signed by Dallas right? Used to play for Detroit?)
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that’s the one. Williams was pretty brutal outside of his shot though. terrible foot speed with so-so hockey sense
but man could he shoot
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 30, 2011 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Williams
has a ridiculous shot… his skating and size aren’t good enough to do much in the NHL though.
If Frattin’s shot is remotely as solid as Williams he’ll be an NHL player.
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 30, 2011 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m just basing the shot thing off what ive seen in videos and have heard, it looks pretty lethal and he lets it go from everywhere
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 31, 2011 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m guessing Frattin is the latter.
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by happiergilmore on Mar 30, 2011 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Stalberg
is a far better skater, and actually larger… that helps him with the NHL transition.
Frattin has a better shot though.
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 30, 2011 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah Stalberg is huge. But he doesn’t really use the size much besides for reach and some puck protection.
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I dunno about that
he takes the body pretty consistently. He’s had 99 hits this season while playing only 755:58 in ice time. That works out to 7.85 hits per 60 minutes of ice time.
The only Leaf forwards with that many hits are MacArthur and Sjostrom.
He’s pretty physical…. he just isn’t a “fighter”.
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 30, 2011 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions
hey stalberg got us versteeg, i’d be happy if frattin turned into versteeg (or something like that) indirectly.
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by happiergilmore on Mar 30, 2011 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Stalberg + DiDomenico + Paradis
got us Versteeg… not quite just Stalberg.
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 30, 2011 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions
so Stalberg + a 1st rounder + a top junior scorer who had broken his femur
not exactly one for one.
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 30, 2011 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Paradis will probably be an AHLer, maybe, MAYBE a 3rd liner. DiDomenico had 1 assist in 20 AHL games this year.
I’m pretty sure Stalberg was the center of that deal. Dido and Paradis were the surrounding parts. My point is that If Frattin turns into Stalberg (numbers wise), him and some prospects could net us something if need be.
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by happiergilmore on Mar 30, 2011 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I was really rooting for Didomenico. I couldn’t really give a shit about Paradis.
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by nhlcheapshot on Mar 30, 2011 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Dido would have been a nice story.
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by happiergilmore on Mar 30, 2011 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions
You’re still talking very good players that made the shift later. Also all of the earlier ones were drafted and all of the later ones you mentioned were UFA
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Well then how about
Viktor Stalberg, Blake Geoffrion, Torrey Mitchell… etc.
They all got drafted 2nd round or later, but played 3 or more years of NCAA hockey.
None of them have lit the world on fire… yet.
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 30, 2011 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions
He's also spent a huge amount of time this year
getting roughed up and outplayed by top line NHL centers. He’s being asked to play a role as a virtual rookie, against top flight talent that has NHL experience. He’s not a bad player, he’s just out of his depth.
He does well in the faceoff dot, and he’ll continue to improve and gain confidence… but if he turns into a 0.5 or 0.6 ppg 3rd line C long term? that’s way better than most players who come out of the NCAA at his age.
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 30, 2011 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I haven’t seen many complaints about bozak, I’ve seen a lot of people disappointed that he isn’t producing like he was in his rookie year. He produced last year and we jumped on it. But I don’t think many people (here at least) are in the “get rid of bozak” camp
elephant shell
Which is why
I said I wasn’t referring to people on here.
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 30, 2011 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions
yes
there are occasional trolls that say stupid shit…. in here… but the regulars aren’t generally a problem.
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 30, 2011 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Hmm
This is Gabe’s original article. Its not stratified for age but the equivalency he provides is 0.41. That is weird because the highest ratio in the Okposo article is 0.39. There is a problem here.
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well
I’m guessing the one written more recently has more data behind it.
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 30, 2011 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions
it also looks
like with the age stratification, and the percentage tolerances that it’s got a more granular look at things to work from.
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 30, 2011 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions
there's other postings
about the effects of ice time… generally rookies get less ice time.
Part of what has bumped Bozak’s numbers up is he’s averaged 19:14 a night for his entire NHL career… in both his rookie season and this year.
That’s increasing his numbers quite a bit.
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 30, 2011 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Further
0.29 seems a little low. To pick a guy randomly I’ll take Dan Sexton. His equivalency predicted 13 points in 41 games but he got 19.
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We're looking anecdotally though
there may be a lot of guys that only play 5-10 games and don’t stick in the NHL that we aren’t thinking of… they bring the number down.
Every guy that plays like 8 games and gets zero points pulls down the average. The ones that stick likely outperform the average.
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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Mar 30, 2011 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I recall this guy… Only because of his Odd Name… Mark Cornforth . Played only 6 games for the Bruins back in the Mid 90’s and Eric Lindros LITERALLY CREAMED him into the boards. (He loved to give the “Welcome to the NHL” checks to all the rookies.) The announcers of course made a play on his name calling him “Creamed Corn.”
He pretty much sucked and looked like he was in way over his head but I give him credit for trying and not giving up in that game.
This of course was when the Bruins SUCKED.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Cornforth
But this helps support your argument about players who have a short brief coffee break in the NHL.
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4 seasons in the NCAA with Merrimack, then signed with the Bruins and only ever played 6 NHL games. Played parts of 3 or 4 years in the AHL and IHL… but yeah… he’s the sort that would pull down the numbers.
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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Mar 30, 2011 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Frattin getting tons of PPP love. Awesome. I remember seeing his name a few off-seasons back and thinking nothing of it. Well not anymore!
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Wasn’t Ed Belfour a Sioux as well ? I think he was !
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Looks like he was http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=295
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So who has Drafted the other two guys .. Cam Atkins and Andy Miele ?
and why was Matt Suspended for half of the season ? baaaaddd boy !
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He got arrested twice in the same summer for alcohol-related offenses.
The first time, he and another UND student were throwing things from the roof of an off-campus house (including a lawnmower, amusingly) and the second time he was driving under the influence.
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so – he was guilty of being – Young Dumb and on the Stupid Juice.. Meh.. who in college didn’t party recklessly ? .. Ok DUI is no Joking matter. but .. hey .. live and learn right ? I mean .. It could have been worse.. Just ask Dany Heatly right ?
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Yeah, I despise Dany Heatley.
Frattin isn’t the only Sioux hockey player who’s done something stupid related to alcohol this season. Danny Kristo is lucky he didn’t lose his toes or freeze to death. That said, I think that there’s really no excuse for DUI, ever. Especially if you’re already on probation for acting like an idiot.
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Oh I agree.. DUI is just dumb and irresponsible. Thank Goodness I have never obtained one.
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“This decision was made with the best interests of our program in mind, specifically the responsibilities to the program and what is expected of the members of our team. But we also care about Matt Frattin and would like to put him in position to be able to live a healthy lifestyle and resume his hockey career.”
Really have to give credit to Dave Hakstol, I think.
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The charges
for the DUI were dropped… for the record.
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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Mar 30, 2011 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Sure, but apparently he blew a .12.
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by rift valley on Mar 30, 2011 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions
How about My FLYERS crushing the flightless birds in tuxedoes last night !!! WOOOHOOO !!!
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I was happy! They’ve made me so nervous lately. Good to see them win pretty decisively.
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LOL. What is this even from?
Oh, you’ll like this one: a friend tried to convince me that Chris Kunitz is a better player than Claude Giroux.
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Bahahahahahahahaha.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 30, 2011 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Also: You’re friends with Chris Kunitz?
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 30, 2011 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I keep telling him to untuck his fucking jersey a little bit, but he never listens to what I say.
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are you really friends with Kunitz in real life ?
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I interpreted it like Chris Kunitz is the only person in the world who thinks that Chris Kunitz is better than Claude Giroux.
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This is how I intended it to be taken.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Mar 31, 2011 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions
and oops, it’s Kris Letang whose jersey is always tucked too much. I should learn who I’m mocking.
/embarrassed
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What fairy names ! -
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Letestu
Letang
Dupuis
Fleury
They may as well get a player named Mamby – Pamby Pansy as their 2nd goalie !!!
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Hahaha. I hadn’t considered their names before.
I do actually really like Sid.
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I respect his talent… but man I hate that guy. what a Poo-nanny !!!! (thats a Philly Italian American word for a certain part of a female anatomy. )
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yeah I know…
Robin Williams explains EXACTLY how the French are !!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tc78yPv_ztM&feature=related
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Umm
Not to be the bigot police here… but seriously? Do we need to go into comparing the French and Women’s Genitalia to people as if that makes them worse? Beyond being misogynistic, it’s also fucking culturally ignorant.
The U.S. wouldn’t exist as a nation state if it wasn’t for France (just for starters)… you’d think more Americans would recognize that fact.
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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Mar 30, 2011 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions
if you think the Penguins are "soft"
say they’re soft… or explain why you think they suck… you can do it without lowering things to the level of implying women are inferior, that their genitalia are equivalent to an insult, or that someone’s ethnicity has something to do with them being a shitty person.
It’s right up there with people thinking Americans are all assholes… they aren’t, but shit like this sort of confirms the stereotypes.
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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Mar 30, 2011 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions
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by KerryFraser on Mar 30, 2011 8:53 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
so … how do you really feel about BC Eagles ?
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FUCK THEM TOO.
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by Bower Power on Mar 30, 2011 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions
rec’d.
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