Nasty Nazem Kadri
by Steve Burtch on Mar 5, 2011 12:19 AM EST
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PrintSo the Marlies topped the Wilkes-Barre/Scranton Penguins (1st in the AHL) by a score of 2-1 on Friday night, and Nazem Kadri was easily the most noticeable player on the ice from either team, despite not registering a point.
He was a plus 1 on the night, but his presence was felt all over the ice by the Penguins - largely as a result of his extremely physical play. He managed to dodge a hit and dump the opposition player in the bench in the 1st. He got riled up near the end of the 2nd and solidly punched the guy in the face in response. Then most noticeably he laid a huge hit on Penguin D man Joey Mormina, who outweighs him by about 30-40 lbs.
After Mormina returned to his skates, he attempted to return the favour on the much smaller Kadri, only to end up flat on his back side all over again. It was an impressive physical demonstration of where Kadri's strength is at, and how he's improving in a wide number of areas of the game beyond just his offensive contributions.
Check out the video and decide for yourself if Kadri's approaching the levels of physicality we expected when Burke drafted him 7th overall. Follow me after the jump for a further update on the rest of the Marlies.
The Marlies are now up to 70 points on the season, and sit 4th in the North Division. Of course the important point is, the 3 teams ahead of them are all tied with 72 points. Hamilton leads the division and has 4 games in hand on the Marlies, but that could swing fairly easily this weekend as they play back to back on Saturday and Sunday in a home and home. Saturday will go at Copp's Coliseum in the Hammer, while Sunday's matchup will be at the Ricoh Coliseum here in Toronto.
The Marlies are 6-3-0-1 in their last 10, but they've managed to lose ground to Lake Erie (8-2-0-0), so keeping up their hot play will go a long way to helping them into the playoffs over the stretch run.
Jonas Gustavsson has returned to the Leafs, so Ben Scrivens has returned to be the primary starter for the Marlies. Rynnas is still recovering from a broken finger, so Andrew Engelage is the current #2. Scrivens is now 8-5-3 with a .925 SV% and 2.34 GAA. He may or may not have surpassed Rynnas on the depth chart, as Rynnas' numbers dipped severely before his injury (.909 SV%, 2.80 GAA).
Juraj Mikus, Korbinian Holzer, and Simon Gysbers all played solidly in a game where the Marlies played 7 D men. Richmond, Engel, Brennan and Lashoff all dressed also. It seemed to work out defensively, as the team kept the Penguins down to only 1 goal, despite being outshot 34 to 21. Largely this was motivated by the 3 games in 3 nights the Marlies are about to be pushed through. In addition to the D seeing some reduced minutes, Christian Hanson left the game after the pre-game skate feeling under the weather, so hopefully he returns for the remainder of the weekend.
Overall, the Marlies played reasonably well, so hopefully they can grab some more points against the Divisional Leaders in Hamilton this weekend. Saturday's game is only being carried on Radio, but the home game on Sunday is going to be shown nationally on the CBC at 1 PM EST. Hopefully you can all catch the game, there's only 9 opportunities left in the regular season to watch the games on TV.
Also - think about making your way down to watch the games live. The Marlies could use the support and the Ricoh is a pretty fun little venue to take in a professional hockey game... and despite protestations to the contrary, using the Harbourfront Streetcar is NOT that complicated (or difficult).
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who the hell wears a crosby jersey to an AHL game?
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 5, 2011 12:31 AM EST reply actions
idiots?
Who else.
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 5, 2011 12:33 AM EST up reply actions
Crosby → Pittsburgh Penguins → Wilkes Barre Penguins?
I donno, weird combo. It was a team Canada jersey too
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by happiergilmore on Mar 5, 2011 12:33 AM EST up reply actions
the problem with this link is
Crosby never played in Wilkes-Barre.
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 5, 2011 12:34 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah but they’re the farm team for them. That’s as much as I could muster.
I’m on painkillers haha
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by happiergilmore on Mar 5, 2011 12:35 AM EST up reply actions
I dunno. If your AHL team is going to have the same name as the NHL team, I think cross-team merch has to be considered okay. I mean, I wouldn’t even knock someone for wearing the NHL team’s jersey, as long as it’s the right affiliate.
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give this man a beer
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by Tickle Me Aulie on Mar 5, 2011 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
I wore a Leafs jersey to the Marlies game and everyone said it was not-foul..
… unless the problem’s with the fact that it’s a team Canada jersey
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I’m going to a Marlies’ game in a few weeks and was planning on wearing a Leafs jersey… now I’m second guessing that, jerks!
Leafs are the parent team of the Marlies, there is a direct connection, if you have to go past one degree of separation a jersey is a foul
If it was a crosby pens jersey it would have been fine, but it was a crosby Canada jersey
Crosby never played for Wilks-Barre and Wilkes-Barre isn’t in Canada
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 5, 2011 11:06 AM EST up reply actions
don’t know if it’s easier for anyone but I took the 29 Wilson bus to get to ricoh from wilson subway station, wasn’t much trouble (I guess this only makes sense if you’re out northwest)
elephant shell
yeah
I live just off yonge… so I’m not going to Wilson station to get to the Ricoh.
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 5, 2011 12:33 AM EST up reply actions
yep
about 5-10 minutes on the street car…. and you get on the street car without having to go outside.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 5, 2011 12:34 AM EST up reply actions
I like feisty Kadri, man is he going to be hated
its gonna make the shit that subban takes look like nothing
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 5, 2011 12:34 AM EST reply actions
that punch
on Collins was ridiculous… he tried to take his head off… I think people just don’t expect it out of him.
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- Sir Winston Churchill
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 5, 2011 12:35 AM EST up reply actions
well
except Armstrong hadn’t just decked Eager.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Mar 5, 2011 12:36 AM EST up reply actions
It was dirty but it’ll shock the first guy that tries to cheap shot him.
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by PPP on Mar 5, 2011 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
that’s exactly what I was thinking – if people hate subban this much, I can only imagine what they’ll think about kadri
elephant shell
the difference is
Kadri seems more “respectful”… Subban seems to take more liberties… whereas Kadri just seems to lay big hits… I don’t think he’s doing anything particularly idiotic.
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 5, 2011 12:36 AM EST up reply actions
the difference is Kadri wants people to see him coming and he doesnt care who it is, Subban picks his spots
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 5, 2011 12:37 AM EST up reply actions
yeah
it looked like Collins was more worried about Voros after he knocked Kadri down… which is sorta valid frankly. That let Kadri sneak up on him.
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 5, 2011 12:38 AM EST up reply actions
Kadri has that crazy I love to him, very tucker like
but he is about 10x more skilled than Tucker ever was
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 5, 2011 12:39 AM EST up reply actions
Maybe.
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Yeah
Tucker’s offensive skills were pretty under-rated… the difference is Tucker got his points by going to the right spots… he wasn’t much of a stick handler.
Kadri’s stick skills are pretty awesome.
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 5, 2011 12:42 AM EST up reply actions
yeah, its a “god given ability” vs “hockey sense” argument
I’d say Kadri has the edge in the former, and tucker the latter, but that wont be able to be pinned down until Kadri makes the bigs for a few years
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 5, 2011 12:44 AM EST up reply actions
Tucker was the superior junior player, too; and why not, with his crazy game? Honestly I think Kadri’s skill set has a lot more potential in the NHL.
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Tucker was also drafted in the 6th round, despite really good jr numbers, was it a size thing? or was he just not that comparable to the “better” players of his day?
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 5, 2011 12:46 AM EST up reply actions
no he was
it was a size/skating thing.
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 5, 2011 12:46 AM EST up reply actions
his foot speed
and size were compensated for by his intensity.
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 5, 2011 12:46 AM EST up reply actions
for this reason
it’s really interesting to see that level of intensity out of Kadri… because unlike Tucker, he HAS footspeed.
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 5, 2011 12:47 AM EST up reply actions
yeah, i just looked up the 7th over all in the 93 draft (arnott) and his jr numbers were much lower than Tuckers
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 5, 2011 12:47 AM EST up reply actions
yeah
that Arnott kid has sucked in the NHL eh?
NHL Scouts with half a clue? Who knew.
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 5, 2011 12:48 AM EST up reply actions
I think Kadri is a 70 point player in the NHL, but very few people agree with me. most of them are over optimistic or crazy
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 5, 2011 12:50 AM EST up reply actions
well
most people would have argued against clarke macarthur, nikolai kulemin, or mikhail grabovski being 60+ point players in the NHL before this season, so who gives a shit what most people think?
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 5, 2011 12:51 AM EST up reply actions
He might hit 70 once or twice, but he’s more likely to be a consistent 60 point player, which is awesome.
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by happiergilmore on Mar 5, 2011 12:51 AM EST up reply actions
I think he peaks around 70, as in has 5-6 years there abouts with a couple seasons right below and a couple pushing 80
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 5, 2011 12:53 AM EST up reply actions
I see what you did there. Still, 70 points is superlative production. If he’s a perennial 55-60 point player who tops out at 75, he’ll still be a hell of an asset.
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glad people
pick up on these things!
Also… I think Kadri could be better than a 70 point player with the right line mates.
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 5, 2011 12:54 AM EST up reply actions
I see some insane play making skills in this kid, also his shot is underrated
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 5, 2011 12:55 AM EST up reply actions
that being said
it should be noted that that was a different time in the AHL.
The league leader had 126 points, and 5 guys had over 100 points that season.
Andrew Brunette had 94 points, Jason Allison had 90 points.
If Kadri can get to the point where he’s a 90+ point player in the AHL BEFORE we promote him, he’ll easily be productive at the NHL level.
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 5, 2011 12:46 AM EST up reply actions
He’s a Leaf. They’ll hate him a million more times.
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by PPP on Mar 5, 2011 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
his background?
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by happiergilmore on Mar 5, 2011 12:47 AM EST up reply actions
Why would that be an issue?
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by happiergilmore on Mar 5, 2011 12:48 AM EST up reply actions
because everyone knows
he’ll eventually get profiled at an airport in the US for having a “terrorist” name and brown skin… he’ll miss a charter flight… etc.
Nah I’m exaggerating. I don’t see it likely being an issue… there’s other muslim athletes in the US, I don’t think they’ll give a shit.
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 5, 2011 12:50 AM EST up reply actions
it will be an issue as much as being black has been for Subban, haters will hate, people will be over sensitive, etc
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 5, 2011 12:51 AM EST up reply actions
I mean if there have been issues with subban despite there having been a number of black NHLers in the past, I think it’s naive to imagine a muslim could never possibly run into problems
elephant shell
I didn't say
never… I just think it’s unlikely to ruin his career or anything. Also, as much as I hate to generalize, there’s a pretty strong racist vibe in much of quebec… just saying.
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 5, 2011 12:52 AM EST up reply actions
of course
there’s a pretty strong racist vibe in large swaths of canada depending on which race we’re discussing.
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 5, 2011 12:53 AM EST up reply actions
it isn’t so much the players I’d worry about… most of them have their heads screwed on properly and the rest probably would never risk saying something to kadri on or off the ice, more the media than anything
elephant shell
actually
I hate to say it… but there’s a lot of dumb hockey players… some of them would easily bring up shit like that… .but what gets said on the ice typically stays there, so I doubt it amounts to much.
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 5, 2011 12:56 AM EST up reply actions
usually it only matters if its a dressing room issue. It just takes one jackass with a ill conceived sense of humour to throw the thing out of wack
I am all but convinced this was an issue with versteeg based on nothing but a gut feeling
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 5, 2011 12:58 AM EST up reply actions
his stupid sense of humour?
yeah that wouldn’t surprise me in the slightest… he seemed like a bit of a turd to me… of course I’d over look that for a 60 point 3rd liner… but yeah.
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 5, 2011 12:59 AM EST up reply actions
yeah, it does bug me if, say, he was picking on Kessel and just though the was being “funny” but it was really getting to Phil. but Kris didn’t stop because he saw no harm and didnt know when too much was too much
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 5, 2011 1:01 AM EST up reply actions
nah, Carter is the kind of super jock that would get off on that type of humour
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 5, 2011 1:03 AM EST up reply actions
Hope he makes fun of Pronger..
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by happiergilmore on Mar 5, 2011 1:04 AM EST up reply actions
I don't think anyone makes fun of
Pronger… other than Pronger… and maybe his wife.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
The problem doesn’t occur when Versteeg pranks Carter, the problem occurs when Carter writes in the dust on his Audi in retaliation and Versteeg asks to be traded.
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by Nirbo on Mar 5, 2011 1:05 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I can totally see this. Phil is kind of shy, sensitive, probably wouldn’t say anything. Is it a coincidence he broke his goalless slump the day after the trade?
by Leaf in Habland on Mar 5, 2011 1:20 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t think the problem with Subban is race… He’s just an arrogant bastard.
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by happiergilmore on Mar 5, 2011 12:52 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t think the players are the ones who care…it’s what gets run in the media…darren pang being an idiot, etc
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Well as long as we’re going about this the white right way.
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by happiergilmore on Mar 5, 2011 12:55 AM EST up reply actions
yeah, there have been a few black players before, and other than an isolated incident or two, none of them were prevalent or dickish enough to warrant the negative attention
I mean try and find a hockey fan who hates iginla
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 5, 2011 12:54 AM EST up reply actions
Anson Carter is one of my favourite players evaaarrr
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by happiergilmore on Mar 5, 2011 12:56 AM EST up reply actions
or Grant Fuhr
it’s hard to hate on Grant Fuhr.
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 5, 2011 12:58 AM EST up reply actions
Laraque.
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Worrell
Dawes… Emery…
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O’Ree
Sorry, too far?
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by happiergilmore on Mar 5, 2011 1:06 AM EST up reply actions
Explain how is it possible for a Canadian to hate Mr. Born on the First of July.
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it's sort of like
an american hating Mickey Mantle or Babe Ruth… they were kind of a-holes with serious substance abuse problems, but they’re still loved.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
there
was an article about him on the AHL website earlier in the week… commenting on how improved he’s been with the Houston Aeros this year after being demoted by Minnesota earlier in the season.
It’s really too bad he never figured out how to put it together in Toronto, I think long term he’s going to be a solid speedy NHLer, with a fair bit of offensive upside.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
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his background?
are you referring to being lebanese muslim? or his regular use of narcotics?
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 5, 2011 12:48 AM EST up reply actions
Any link on that second one?
I heard a (trusted) story about Rios and skiing and not too much later he was shipped out of town for nothing. Just interesting.
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there are
numerous posters on here who refer to people they know having smoked regularly with kadri in junior… it’s basically hearsay so I doubt it ever goes anywhere.
We’re talking teenage behaviour, I don’t think it’s much to comment on.
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 5, 2011 12:55 AM EST up reply actions
it’s nothing serious until he starts taking helicopter trips to BC on nights off
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i dont remember any specific article on the drugs, just a lot of “insider” info that kadri is a huge pot head
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 5, 2011 12:56 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah one of my friends at Western used to chop him for a bit
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by happiergilmore on Mar 5, 2011 12:56 AM EST up reply actions
the other side of this cultural thing is
if he’s a devout muslim he can’t drink alcohol… so we know where that would lead a kid who is looking to “party”.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
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by Steve Burtch on Mar 5, 2011 12:57 AM EST up reply actions
at least he doesnt drive like an asshole
John Tavares cut me off and nearly put me into oncoming traffic!
true story!
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 5, 2011 12:59 AM EST up reply actions
Is John Tavares
a member of an ethnic minority that can’t drive? Should we be worried about HIS cultural background?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
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i dunno, but if id known it was him during the cutting off i woulda let him hit me and faked a neck injury
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 5, 2011 1:06 AM EST up reply actions
how long ago
was this?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
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during his tenure with the nights about 3 months before he was drafted
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 5, 2011 1:07 AM EST up reply actions
so he
wasn’t rich yet?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
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but he was going to be! it was all but guarenteed
i at least would have gotten a new car out of it
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 5, 2011 1:09 AM EST up reply actions
I know very little, but believe many consider any form of intoxicant “haram” (illegal).
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for minors?
usually… but not all… I mean there’s nothing really stopping people from smoking sage… or swallowing large amounts of nutmeg. You can also order hawaiian woodrose seeds and chew them for the same effect you get from LSD… or grow poppies and chew on the seed pods to become an opium addict.
All of that being said, kids will be kids, and it’s not that easy to control what they do on their own time.
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You can order Hawaiian Woodrose seeds? Hmm..
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by happiergilmore on Mar 5, 2011 1:15 AM EST up reply actions
yes...
alcohol works… it also hurts your liver and brain as much/more than anything else you can put in your body! go ALCOHOL!
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
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oh and
it makes you fat… wooo.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
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WOOOO!
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by happiergilmore on Mar 5, 2011 1:17 AM EST up reply actions
it’s also delicious and increases my pain threshold for when I start bar fights
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 5, 2011 1:18 AM EST up reply actions
Do you lose them [the bar fights]?
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by happiergilmore on Mar 5, 2011 1:18 AM EST up reply actions
for your sake, I hope it’s through Mike Doucet.
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by Maniel Darois on Mar 5, 2011 9:58 AM EST up reply actions
nah, but i did study with Gus Michalik for a while
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 5, 2011 10:03 AM EST up reply actions
well that ’ll work too. I mean his tools/experiance your ability right?
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by Maniel Darois on Mar 5, 2011 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
my brother did at least
but that was a long time ago.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
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oh
then no… they aren’t… alcohol is against the rules… I don’t think they formally say anything about herb… I mean hell look at the hashashin cult.
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- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
It will with stupid fans. Can’t help it.
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by PPP on Mar 5, 2011 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
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Post game interview
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by happiergilmore on Mar 5, 2011 12:38 AM EST up reply actions
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by happiergilmore on Mar 5, 2011 12:46 AM EST up reply actions
i should change this to the ricoh coliseum, it’s more current and way more gangster
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yeah caught that
the Blackhawks are going to be tough to beat.
Ottawa was bound to crap out eventually… Anderson can’t dominate every game.
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- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
he looked very human tonight
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 5, 2011 1:06 AM EST up reply actions
I hate the Sens
But I wished Anderson looked more than human tonight. Ugh, I feel dirty just saying that!
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For the sake of draft position, the Leafs are two points behind the Jackets, who have just one game in hand. Pass them and one more, and the Bruins aren’t even getting a top 10 pick.
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yes
but they keep winning too… so we aren’t getting a top 25 pick… balance of evils?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
Nah. Getting out of the “notable” draftees is much bigger.
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We’re probably moving those picks, anyways.
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I really hope
we don’t…. we’re paying more scouts than every team in the NHL other than New Jersey… why not USE them?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
i wouldnt mind trading a couple later picks to move one of the 1st up a few spots, but I still want to draft twice in the first
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 5, 2011 1:10 AM EST up reply actions
yeah
I was talking about this with a buddy on Wednesday night… I’d move one of the 1sts and like a 3rd or 4th to get up into the teens? or low 20’s? but I still want two firsts and our 2nd.
That’s 3 picks in the top 35-40 probably.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
Three picks in the top 40, with our supposed scouting advantages and recent draft record, should really replenish the cupboards for the next few years. And it’s not like the players stop being assets that can be moved for need.
Oh, I'm sorry, just one moment. Is this a five minute argument or the full half hour?
Spoiling my piece a little: Teams who have traded up in to the high teens in the last 3 drafts:
NYI acquired the 16th overall (and the 77th) for the 26th and the 37th in 2009.
NJD acquired the 20th overall for the 23rd and the 84th in 2009.
CLB acquired 21st overall for the 26th and the 37th in 2009.
Both our firsts could be moved for MAYBE an extra 10-12 draft positions. At that point, I would rather take the extra lotto ticket and draft two kids, especially considering where the drop off point for “notable” talent purports to be.
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right
so we’d have to trade a 1st and our 2nd to move up to the late teens, early 20’s? Hmm… I don’t know that I’d bother.
Just draft 3 kids in the 20-40 range.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
Yup. That’s what I’m saying. If we were talking about a wide selection of notable kids, there’s a discussion to be had. But when the player you “really want” probably isn’t a very significant improvement over other talent available at the time, punch them lotto tickets.
That said, I think this very issue is what makes it appealing to trade all these very liquid assets. We don’t have time to sit around for lotto tickets to turn in to something that can work with Kessel.
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really?
because in 3 years when Kessel is 26 he’ll be over the hill and not productive?
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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
He’s already all of that.. AND SO MUCH LESS!
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by happiergilmore on Mar 5, 2011 1:21 AM EST up reply actions
What wasthe point of waiting till now?
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by happiergilmore on Mar 5, 2011 1:22 AM EST up reply actions
easy
instead of getting a player in their prime productive for 3-4 years we get the possibility of having 2-3 productive players play the majority of their early contract controlled years for us while we still have the likes of Kessel, Schenn, Kulemin, Grabo, etc. under contract because we aren’t over paying some random productive forward that we brought in.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
but it’s taking a chance either way…we never know if any of the kids will pan out and by then it could be too late
trading for a forward (mind you this doesn’t mean they’re old/post-prime/or soon to be ufa) with pedigree who can produce right away seems like a smaller risk, the only downside is the money spent
elephant shell
this amounts to
not trusting your scouts at all… my whole point is if you’re paying THAT many scouts, and you have THAT Many eyes to look a player over, then you should have a pretty decent idea of what you’re looking at.
That’s part of the reason you pay so many scouts.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
the entire world can be wrong about a player no matter how much they get paid (daigle), or how many of them you’re paying.
but to me that’s not what this is about – it’s about the fact that both options are gambles, but one pays off later, one pays off sooner.
finding out which has a greater chance of panning out really depends on who the draft picks would be and who the player we receive in the transaction is.
elephant shell
well obviously
I’m just saying I don’t see any players on the horizon that are young enough and available enough that I’d want to trade for.
If they’re good enough to be worth grabbing in a trade, they’re probably signed long term or worth more than a late 1st rounder or two.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
No, because in 3 years he’ll be UFA.
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Which isn’t to say “oh he’s going, for sure,” but it seems to be around the timetable that Burke is/has been operating on.
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right now
he’d sign for almost the exact same amount he’s making already… why is this a concern?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
If he would sign here. UFA, not RFA. Besides, regardless of whether or not Burke’s rebuild is tied to Kessel’s contract, Burke has been pretty clear he’s not thrilled at the idea of using draft picks at this point.
After the trade deadline, in an interview with Watters, Burke said those picks were definitely on the table for a player who could contribute now, and when asked if they could be traded to move in to the top 10, responded with "probably."
Well, historically speaking, those picks can’t be moved to the top 10. I’m just saying that if we were to all throw down cash on whether or not those picks get used or moved, I’m going with the latter. Likely for someone who will play alongside Kessel within 3 years.
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that;s just Burke letting the other gms know that the picks were in play if they wanted to offer him something at the deadline
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 5, 2011 1:30 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t think Burke moves them just for the sake of moving them, I’m just saying that I think he’ll be working to get a young, partially developed, high-upside player for them.
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yeah, he wont move them except for the “right” deal
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 5, 2011 1:33 AM EST up reply actions
well
by saying “probably” Burke is either indicating he doesn’t know what the picks are worth (which I doubt) or he’s making it sort of obvious he’s laying it on thick for the sake of buttering up other people.
I think it’s more likely the latter, but I really don’t see anyone on the horizon that I’d look for in a trade right now.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
yeah, the picks only move if burke really wants a kid 3-4 spots ahead of where he is slated to draft
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 5, 2011 1:20 AM EST up reply actions
From what I can figure out, moving up in the draft is probably the worst thing we can do with our picks. Piece coming on it shortly.
But @steve, I really do hope we move those picks for a player. Two firsts, a strong second, and one of next year’s picks, and we’re looking at a package that should qualify for “elite” talent. There’s also no way that Burke burns that kind of capital on someone that won’t contribute for at least 3 years.
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depends on how high you are moving up, but if the player Burke REALLY (realistically) wants is looking like he is going at 22 and Burke doesnt pick till 25, what is it worth to move those three spots? a third?
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 5, 2011 1:14 AM EST up reply actions
Who
would we be able to get for that though? that you actually want?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
and why
would we deal that much for a guy that’s only productive for 3 years? That’s silly.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
A guy that’s only productive for 3 years?
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oh shit
sorry misread what you said…
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
I agree with this
but I’m guessing they go deeper in the playoffs than we do… and they still have a better 1st rounder.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
Sure, but that was always going to be the case.
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Thinks that make you go hmm
Darryl Boyce: .33 ppg +7 12:04 toi
Tyler Seguin: .36 ppg – 12:06 toi
Nice to know that we would be so much better with Seguin here and Kessel gone. I know Chiarelli is looking up at Philly and thanking the stars that he made that trade.
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by Nirbo on Mar 5, 2011 1:16 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
such boyce-turous numbers
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 5, 2011 1:18 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
he's also
got a great pt/60 rating as a result of those numbers.
I really don’t want us to change much going into next year… i don’t see the Leafs improving drastically anywhere by adding a random free agent.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
I think Burke adds a 3rd liner and a D man
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 5, 2011 1:21 AM EST up reply actions
Classic.
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by happiergilmore on Mar 5, 2011 1:21 AM EST up reply actions
When we looked at our team
and asked “where do we need to get better?” we all agreed we needed a Stud D man… … wtf?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
We just need a one year PMD and I wouldn’t be opposed to Vokoun or Bryz
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by happiergilmore on Mar 5, 2011 1:23 AM EST up reply actions
i hope he doesnt, but I think he takes a run at erhoff
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 5, 2011 1:23 AM EST up reply actions
that's falling
for the Kaberle trap… Ehrhoff is good at putting up points but sucks in his own end.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
I'd rather
he took a run at Jan Hejda
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
our D
needs to keep getting better.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
I’d rather he add no one and fill the holes internally with Lashoff or gysbers or something
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 5, 2011 1:26 AM EST up reply actions
I really just like
the idea of “sheltering” the kids short term until they’re ready to take over.
I think we’re seeing some of that now with Aulie taking over for Beauchemin.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
that’s why I want Lashoff or Gysbers up, and not Blacker, Gardiner, Mikus or one of the other real youngins
give the older UFA signings see if they can stick in the NHL
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 5, 2011 1:31 AM EST up reply actions
speaking of which
as I mentioned in the posting, Mikus looked quite good in tonight’s game… lots of jump, and confidence carrying the puck for a man with his size and wing span… good skating also.
He just needs to make some better decisions on when to headman the puck.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
wow
you just made me love darryl boyce so much more. I didn’t think that was possible after his tweets/nose/goal last night
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How is this not rec’d more?
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by PPP on Mar 5, 2011 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
yep
that’s pretty awesome.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
so dirty, but I cant stay mad at him
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 5, 2011 1:27 AM EST up reply actions
it was actually
pay back for a dirty hit Collins laid on him… collins actually got the extra penalty.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
oh I know, its still a dirty play, full glove punch to an unsuspecting player, he had his reasons and all , but still
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 5, 2011 1:29 AM EST up reply actions
It’s a really, really dirty punch. Glove is still on and everything.
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meh
I think Collins would have seen it coming if he wasn’t so damn worried about Voros taking his head off after he dumped Kadri unnecessarily.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
and hey
from an intelligence standpoint, I’m glad Kadri isn’t trying to break his hand.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
Kadri doesn’t even take his glove off. It’s one thing for Collins not to notice, it’s another for Kadri to not even give him a chance to notice. It’s a dirty hit.
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again
I’m just glad he’s not breaking his hand… I agree it’s dirty… I just don’t particularly care… Wilkes Barre were taking liberties with him (or trying to) all game long… he took a chance at pay back, and got away with it. I doubt Collins dumps him again the next time they run into each other.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
this is more
Marc savard to me than anything else… its’ like when Savard goes nutzo and bites guys in scrums… yes it’s fucking dirty, and kinda crazy, but it makes the opposition think twice before doing shit to rile him up.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
Savard is what PPP would call “sneaky dirty” like Mike Fisher
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 5, 2011 1:37 AM EST up reply actions
Daniel Briere
is sneaky dirty…. Kadri is a lot more in your face with it.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
yup, everyone is going to know if Kadri isnt happy with them, and he wont hide from them when they turn around
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 5, 2011 1:41 AM EST up reply actions
whoa, head snapper.
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by Future_considerations on Mar 5, 2011 1:30 AM EST up reply actions
that was a dirty dirty sequence!
that scranton dude was asking for it – stick work all shift, no call. Nazem was just saying hello
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he had no shots
no points… and was a -1.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
hardly noticed him
when I watched the game.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
meh
he’s going to have off nights… he’s still figuring out the intensity thing. Also I think the shift from the NCAA schedule to the AHL schedule is a HUGE jump preparation wise. Going from a game a week to things like 3 games in 3 nights has to be a bit jarring.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
I hope it’s clear I wasn’t being serious…. anyway, I’m not sure the scheduling thing applies, this is technically his second season in the AHL… he played a few last year and 55 with Providence before coming to the marlies
elephant shell
a few last year?
he played 6 games last year….
6… in the AHL.
This is his rookie season as a Pro. he’s still adusting… the tighter schedule… twice as many games overall… it’s getting close to the end of the year… college players often hit a wall.
I think he probably played on adrenaline for those first few games after the trade, brought a bit of life back to him, but I think a lot of this is the adjustment to the preparation side.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
he probably needs at the very least, the first half of next season in the AHL before he even dreams of getting an NHL cup of coffee
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 5, 2011 1:39 AM EST up reply actions
yeah if you look at his splits
he had 1 G, 5 pts in 9 October games; 5 G, 8 pts in 11 November games; 2 G, 6 pts in 12 December games; 3 G, 6 pts in 15 January games; and then 5 G and 6 pts in 15 games since the start of February.
That’s 0.56 ppg, 0.73 ppg, 0.5 ppg, 0.4 ppg, and 0.4 ppg over those 5 stretches of games… and they’re declining.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
yeah, there were always questions about his compete level, lets just hope that he gets infected with the same desire to succeed as kadri
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 5, 2011 1:46 AM EST up reply actions
I think 6 qualifies as a “few”
whatever, I don’t care if he has an off-night here or there…I’m excited for what he brings at camp next year and whether or not he pushes anyone for their job, but he’ll probably spend most of next year in the A too
elephant shell
ok it's a few
but it’s certainly not enough to adjust to the compressed schedule.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
Btw
McKegg with a 2 G, 1 A night
Rad Boss: 4 Goal night!
Nicholls and Dimes: 1 G, 2 A
Frattin: 1 G, 3 A
Gardiner: 1 G
D’Amigo: 1 A
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- Niels Bohr
apparently they are taking away one of Ross’ goals, but still nice
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 5, 2011 1:38 AM EST up reply actions
was at this game
Our boy Nazem was DIRTY!
knocked down some ridiculous scranton nobody TWICE on the same shift, was all over the place – 3rd star of the game. Zigomanis was first star, and some 3 foot scranton guy named Sterling was second star.
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Re: The comments
I have to say, there are some very concerning comments here. I’m not suggesting anyone here is racist or culturally disinclined, but someone here raised the idea that Kadri’s background may become an “issue” and many here are pre-emptively mitigating the potential circumstances in the comment-section here and I don’t really know why. The guy’s point was valid and it seems to be supported by certain NHL players’ overreaction to Subban’s on-ice play.
Kadri IS muslim and he IS Lebanese. That he’s in the AHL and has played in the NHL is a feat in and of itself. I recall some issues surrounding Ramid Abid’s career in junior and the minors, and there were murmurs suggestive of ethic discrimination.
I think a lot of the issues surrounding Subban has to do with the fact that he’s black. He’s a talented player and of course, prone to sophomoric behaviour, but there’s this subtle undertone of racial profiling going on when criticism is levied at him. I can’t imagine it would be any different with Kadri, if not worse, given his physical dimensions.
Maybe I’m overstating this and overreacting to the comments here, but I don’t know if it’s right to be so dismissive of this incendiary issue.
I’m certain Kadri will be subject to racist abuse from fans (as Subban has also been). I’m not sure that he will from other players though, but I guess time will tell.
in fact, on several internet message boards I have already seem much racism tossed his way.
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by JaredFromLondon on Mar 5, 2011 9:34 AM EST up reply actions
I re-read some of the comments and I really don’t get a racist vibe. I don’t think anyone cares that Kadri is Muslim any more than we care that Reimer is Mennonite… there were some questions about whether his religion forbids him to do something that he was rumoured to do, and some questions about whether he will be the victim of racism or profiling.
Maybe you could point out the comments you’re concerned about, naturally this can be a touchy subject and nobody is looking to be offensive. Well, except Jared.
Oh, I'm sorry, just one moment. Is this a five minute argument or the full half hour?
To be honest
I wasn’t taking it as “seriously” as I probably should have… but I guess that’s because I assume dealing with racist idiots is a part of life day to day in being a minority in North America. If you’re muslim there’s always a possibility you get racist idiots assuming things… there’s bigotry everywhere, and I don’t think it’s confined to hockey.
Blacks, Muslims, French, Japanese, Chinese, Korean, Native American/Canadian, etc. There’s shit fired at everyone over ethnic and cultural issues. None of it makes a lot of sense, and he’s going to have to deal with it. Whether or not I’d think it’s enough of an issue to derail a successful career is a bit extreme as concerns go though.
If you’re thrown off your game by a racist comment here or there, then I’m guessing the attention being levelled at him by the Toronto media will be overwhelming. Also, I sincerely doubt he escaped racism in the CHL. It’s not like people are less racist towards Muslim teens than they are Muslim adults.
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- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Mar 5, 2011 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
Damned Mennos, with their “peace” this and their “plain” that.
Bah.
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by not norm ullman on Mar 5, 2011 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
I agree that you’re overreacting, I disgree that the majority of the issues surrounding Subban are related to his race, and I disagree that people are dismissive of the issue. Reads more like people don’t think that it’ll be a problem among the players.
it seems to be supported by certain NHL players’ overreaction to Subban’s on-ice play.
Not at all. What race is Omark? White. And people freaked out because of his spinorama move. It’s about his actions not his race.
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