Playoff Prognostication Poll Particulars
Well the numbers are in for Round #1 of the PPP Playoff Prognostication Poll, and with 272 entries (Only 2 of which are joke accounts created by Chemmy) it's pretty clear who are the favorites in the first round of the Stanley Cup Playoffs. So without further adieu, here are the pick percentages for Round #1.
Washington Capitals vs. New York Rangers
Washington - 90%; New York - 10%; in 6 games.
Philadelphia Flyers vs. Buffalo Sabres
Philadelphia - 68%; Buffalo - 32%; in 6 games.
Boston Bruins vs. Montreal Canadiens
Boston - 83%; Montreal - 17%; in 6 games.
Pittsburgh Penguins vs. Tampa Bay Lightning
Pittsburgh - 45%; Tampa Bay - 55%; in 6 games.
Western Conference, Conn Smythe, and Cup Picks after the jump.
Vancouver Canucks vs. Chicago Blackhawks
Vancouver - 73%; Chicago - 27%; in 6 games.
San Jose Sharks vs. Los Angeles Kings
San Jose - 89%; Los Angeles - 11%; in 5 games.
Detroit Red Wings vs. Phoenix Coyotes
Detroit - 80%; Phoenix - 20%; in 6 games.
Anaheim Ducks vs Nashville Predators
Anaheim - 72%; Nashville - 28%; in 6 games.
Conn Smythe Winner (Made difficult because people have a hard time of reading simple directions.)
Ryan Kesler - 11%
Alex Ovechkin - 10.7%
Daniel Sedin - 9.6%
Roberto Luongo - 8.8%
Tim Thomas - 6.3%
Joe Thornton - 5.5%
Henrik Sedin - 5.1%
Corey Perry - 4.8%
Some of the funnier votes - Nathan Horton, Tomas Kaberle, Carey Price, Rick Nash, Dwayne Roloson, Scott Hartnell, Corey Crawford, Sidney Crosby, Patrick Sharp.
Stanley Cup Champion
Vancouver - 35%
San Jose - 14%
Washington - 14%
Philadelphia - 11%
Boston - 8%
Rest are at 5% and under.
The only team to not get a single vote for Cup Champion? The Los Angeles Kings.
The Round #1 Spreadsheet can be found here. Check back after Round #1 has concluded for the Round #1 point totals and your Round #2 entry form.
(Edit) I've created a separate spreadsheet to keep track of scoring here. It's pretty straight forward and all automatic. Pretty nifty if I do say so myself. I'll update this sheet after each series concludes so you can see how you're progressing.
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Wow… Even fewer LA picks than Montreal.
LA is so doomed they even outmatched Habs hatred…
On the Mike Weber bandwagon!
Sabres took the scenic route, but they still MADE IT TO THE PLAYOFFS!!!1
Yeah, what’s wrong with Kings fans? It seems like every other team has at least one fan who thinks it’s cool to hang out here…
I've been looking at the sky
by Back In Black on Apr 14, 2011 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Uh, I picked the Habs because I want them to lose (and I think they’ll lose but you can never be too sure).
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24/02/2011: I was there when Brett Lebda scored.
Doing God’s work.
You can't give up hope just because it's hopeless. You have to hope even harder, cover your ears, and go 'blah blah blah blah blah!'
by nhlcheapshot on Apr 14, 2011 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
That’s 200$ Well spent
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by thenumber14 on Apr 14, 2011 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
I picked Detroit to win but am cheering for the Yotes.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Apr 14, 2011 10:06 AM EDT reply actions
I’m going to practice bandwagon jumping all playoffs long and wish to now change all my first round predictions please!
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by fair_n_hite_451 on Apr 14, 2011 10:14 AM EDT reply actions
Why is Patrick Sharp a funny pick? Is it because no one thinks Chicago can repeat? I thought Sharp deserved serious consideration for the Conn Smythe trophy last year.
Generally the Conn Smythe isn’t awarded to teams eliminated in the first round.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Apr 14, 2011 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
If MTL gets that far the whole city will burn down anyway.
On the Mike Weber bandwagon!
Sabres took the scenic route, but they still MADE IT TO THE PLAYOFFS!!!1
that reminds me, I need apartment insurance.
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by Fergus30 on Apr 14, 2011 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
There are two easy choices to such a scenario:
A) Vancouver – because they are less annoying.
B) Turn off TV.
Vancouver = less annoying… does not compute.
I don’t know. Montreal already has a bazillian cups, what’s one more? Vancouver is already really smug without one cup…
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I feel as a Leafs’ fan it is my duty to cheer against Montreal under virtually any scenario. But that’s fine because they aren’t going to beat Boston anyway.
by Draglikepull on Apr 14, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Sometimes you gotta pick what no one else has and pray for upsets in order to win.
You can't give up hope just because it's hopeless. You have to hope even harder, cover your ears, and go 'blah blah blah blah blah!'
by nhlcheapshot on Apr 14, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
But… Montreal?! C’mon… if you’re going to pick unexpected, go for something like Crosby-less Pittsburgh, Rinne-powered Nashville or Washington. Another Montreal Cup would make kittens cry tears over dead puppies. YOU DON’T WANT THAT!
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by not norm ullman on Apr 14, 2011 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Had I known Anaheim would be relying on a Dan Ellis/Ray Emery goalie tandem, i would have picked Nashville..
Dan Ellis has no business starting a playoff game..
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by Future_considerations on Apr 14, 2011 10:49 AM EDT reply actions
Emery was still somewhat injured.
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Sabres took the scenic route, but they still MADE IT TO THE PLAYOFFS!!!1
What about Julie “The Cat” Gaffney?
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Apr 14, 2011 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Even Goldberg is better than Ellis.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Apr 14, 2011 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Last I checked, Nashville didn’t acquire the rights to Gunner Stahl.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Apr 14, 2011 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
You know what I just realised, a good joke entry would’ve had the Ducks winning the cup and the Conn Smythe winner being Charlie Conoway.
/Opportunity missed.
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by PassivelyTruculent on Apr 14, 2011 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Conway’s a hack.
That whole team was Banks and Gafney
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Banks kept getting traded to and from the Ducks. He’s like a really skilled Joffrey Lupul.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Apr 14, 2011 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions
If we’re going original Mighty Ducks it’s gotta be Conway.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Apr 14, 2011 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Banks was only ever a Hawk because of a redistricting oversight. He was a Duck all along where it mattered- on the inside.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Apr 14, 2011 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Right but they played half the championship game without him. You could make a strong case for Jesse whatever his name was.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Apr 14, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Who carried the team when Banks decided to go all Mike Riberio on the post?
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by PassivelyTruculent on Apr 14, 2011 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Conway scratched himself against Iceland
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If we’re going D2 Conn Smythe goes to Russ, end. of. discussion.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Apr 14, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I would’ve said Gaffney, but whatever.
As long as we agree Dwayne Robertson was the Brett Lebda of the Mighty Ducks…
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He did score that one goal.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Apr 14, 2011 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
So did Lebda…
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by PassivelyTruculent on Apr 14, 2011 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I guarantee Robertson was the only guy who finished -1 agains Trinidad.
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by clrkaitken on Apr 14, 2011 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Trinidad is like the Coyotes of the International D2 League. Obscure market, pretty solid cult following judging by that front row steel drum section.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Apr 14, 2011 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions
#Throwthecoconut!
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Apr 14, 2011 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I award you 1 internet!
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Apr 14, 2011 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions
She made one save cold off the bench.
Russ showed the team how to be ducks/have fun again.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Apr 14, 2011 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m getting the movies mixed up again.
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Does this call for a PPP MOVIE NIGHT!!!111
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by PassivelyTruculent on Apr 14, 2011 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Over Christmas, I watched D2 with my brothers one morning and we just ripped apart who ridiculous the whole tournament was
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BREAKING NEWS:
RUSSIA UPSETS ICELAND!
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by PassivelyTruculent on Apr 14, 2011 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s Disney
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by PassivelyTruculent on Apr 14, 2011 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Goldberg was the only goalie in the first one.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Apr 14, 2011 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Small sample size.
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by PassivelyTruculent on Apr 14, 2011 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Gaffney wasn’t even in the movie til D2.
Also, Goldberg was only really a goalie for as many movies as Gaffney since Coach Orion moved him to D.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Apr 14, 2011 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I disagree. Guy Germaine was key as well
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He went all Clarke MacArthur on one of the Iceland guys
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Apr 14, 2011 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Germaine got hurt about as often as Banks.
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He played every game!
It went:
Banks
Reed
Germaine
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Guy Germane was a Hipster

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Apr 14, 2011 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
’the fuck did Moreau see in him?
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me thinks you have anazlyzed this movie a liiiiiittle too much
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Impossible.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Apr 14, 2011 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Connie Moreau was hot. I don’t care what anyone says.
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She was cooooold blooded.
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by PassivelyTruculent on Apr 14, 2011 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions
TAMMY DUNCAN IS A SAINT!
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by PassivelyTruculent on Apr 14, 2011 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
In D2 Gafney > COnnie.
FACT
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Many would agree.

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by FiftyMissionCap on Apr 14, 2011 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Cake eater

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by PassivelyTruculent on Apr 14, 2011 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Hm, I wasn’t aware Germaine was a Italian last name.
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by PassivelyTruculent on Apr 14, 2011 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions
suck it asshole
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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Must be hard for you to throw out insults at me while typing.
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by PassivelyTruculent on Apr 14, 2011 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh please. You should take that as seriously as I do when I get ripped on constantly for being italian
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Meaning: don’t.
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It's all in good fun, no worries
Actually I was making fun of the fact that your inclined to talk with your hands due to the whole Italian thing.
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by PassivelyTruculent on Apr 14, 2011 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
DAMN flew over my head
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Folton was the real push behind that team, always came back to that slap shot
he was their dion
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by JaredFromLondon on Apr 14, 2011 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I was saying Gordon Bombay shoulda won the Jack Adams when the Ducks won the Cup. No one listened to me. Sigh.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Apr 14, 2011 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions
And is still better than Dan Ellis.
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by Bower Power on Apr 14, 2011 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Me neither.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Apr 14, 2011 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
This is true, my bad, I could have sworn i heard on the radio that it would be emery/ and hiller..
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by Future_considerations on Apr 14, 2011 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m actually surprised so many went with Anaheim. The talk has been all about the Nashville “upset” for a while.
If Nashville had played virtually any other team, I would have seriously considered them. The Ducks, though, have been such a Juggernaut lately. How do you go against Corey Perry?
I picked the Ducks, I swear to god if their goaltending is what does them in…..
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Apr 14, 2011 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Meh, if the Preds beat them in 5 I still get a point from that series. Alright!
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Not good enough. Although I will admit it would be nice for the Preds to win a series.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Apr 14, 2011 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Personally
Its pretty hard to vote against Pekka Rinne.
They’ve got to win one eventually
On the Mike Weber bandwagon!
Sabres took the scenic route, but they still MADE IT TO THE PLAYOFFS!!!1
Hehehe they haven't been able to do anything with their awesome goaltending
Its pretty hard to vote againstPekka RinneTomas Vokoun.
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It’s hard to vote against the entire Nashville development system. They do so much with so little, they deserve to escape the first round.
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by Bower Power on Apr 14, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
So much. I still don’t understand how they signed Franson to such a cheap contract last year.
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I read a great article talking about how they preach full on, team-in mentality. I think it really helps them when it comes to contract demands.
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by Bower Power on Apr 14, 2011 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
I know I’ve brought it up on here before, but, no, I don’t think the original was a fan post here.
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It’s funny looking back at some old threads when people were debating whether they should be keeping Rinne or Ellis.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Apr 14, 2011 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh me too, just funny is all.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Apr 14, 2011 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Shea Weber, Ryan Suter, Pekka Rinne
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
"You can't come in my kitchen, kick my dog, and take a box full of ballpoints! Your ass must be crazy!"
by Semi_Colon on Apr 14, 2011 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Same. I thought Hiller was back. Fuck.
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by happiergilmore on Apr 14, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I’’m surprised 11% called LA for the win. Without Kopitar, playing the hottest team since the new year? Sounds like calling an upset for the sake of calling an upset.
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AND without Justin Williams
Their #2 scorer
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
"You can't come in my kitchen, kick my dog, and take a box full of ballpoints! Your ass must be crazy!"
Williams is out too? They are so fucked. I also still can’t decide if I like his contract with his injury history
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Their only real hope is that Quick commits highway robbery coupled with an absolute choke by the Sharks as an entire team. I picked the sweep by San Jose in this one.
I picked sweep too
I bet Quick will steal one, but there’s just no way that series is going to be close.
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
"You can't come in my kitchen, kick my dog, and take a box full of ballpoints! Your ass must be crazy!"
Sounds like calling an upset for the sake of calling an upset.
They happen, and if LA wins game 1 tomorrow by fluke or whatever, people might be singing a different tune.
You can't give up hope just because it's hopeless. You have to hope even harder, cover your ears, and go 'blah blah blah blah blah!'
by nhlcheapshot on Apr 14, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m guessing there were a few people who took Anaheim in a sweep. Hooray to most of the rest of us for no longer being tied for last-place.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Apr 14, 2011 12:42 PM EDT reply actions
I got Vietnam style flashbacks of the Montreal series while watching the game last night. Not good.
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I was sitting in JR, laughing as the Caps failed to screen Lundqvist time and time again. If you could overlap the play between this year and last, it would look identical – you would barely even have to change the away team’s jerseys. For all this talk of Boudreau learning his lesson…he really didn’t.
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Also – not to make light of a serious issue, but my thoughts on Caps’ Vietnam flashbacks last night.
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In fairness they don’t really have the personnel to do it.
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Sabres took the scenic route, but they still MADE IT TO THE PLAYOFFS!!!1
Knuble and Arnott could be a net prescence for them, so could Brooks Laich
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by Matt_Roberts on Apr 14, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Everyone has the personnel to set up a screen. That’s what’s so frustrating when teams fail to do so. You don’t need Holmstrom’s ass, you just need someone crazy enough to stand in front of an 80+ mph shot, who’s taller than a goalie that’s in his crouched and ready stance. If no one on the caps can do it now, I’ll bet money that they’ve got some career AHL’er who’s fast enough and crazy enough to do it if it means a shot in the N.
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I was watching it
With a friend who is a Caps fan, and he was very uncomfortable after the Rangers scored
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
"You can't come in my kitchen, kick my dog, and take a box full of ballpoints! Your ass must be crazy!"
Ahh shit y'all
TheGoalieGuild ranks James Reimer as #9 on the list of Top 100 Goalie Prospects
Should note that Schneider, Bernier and Reimer all graduate from this list as they’ll no longer be considered prospects next year.
1 Cory Schneider VAN
2 Jonathon Bernier LAK
3 Jacob Markstrom FLA
4 Braden Holtby WSH
5 Anders Lindback NSH
6 Jhonas Enroth BUF
7 Robin Lehner OTT
8 Alex Stalock SJ
9 James Reimer TOR
10 Cedrick Desjardins TBL
You can't give up hope just because it's hopeless. You have to hope even harder, cover your ears, and go 'blah blah blah blah blah!'
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Apr 14, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
You can go back and read his previous ones, I don’t think he even cracked the top 100
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by nhlcheapshot on Apr 14, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I was just being lazy. Optimus was ranked 54 back in September, two spots ahead of Pogge. A lot can change in one season!
He was at 41 in the last one before his call-up.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Apr 14, 2011 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
PROSPECTS are goaltenders that have started 25 NHL regular-season games or less.
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Why bother linking to something if people are not going to click it?
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Apr 14, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Should note that Schneider, Bernier and Reimer all graduate from this list as they’ll no longer be considered prospects next year.
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by nhlcheapshot on Apr 14, 2011 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Of Note: Rynnas is ranked 19th
Scrivens is ranked 49th
DEPTH
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Apr 14, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Meh
If you think about it, there are 30 teams, 100 top prospects… on average that’s just over 3 prospects per team should be on that list.
The fact we have 3 in the top 50…. doesn’t mean a whole lot.
3 in the top 20 might be nice.
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by nhlcheapshot on Apr 14, 2011 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Rynnas being 19th is great news, and last year was Scrivens’ first AHL season so it’s not surprising he is only 49th.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Apr 14, 2011 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Reimer has seen more NHL shots than any of those other players in the top 10. In most cases, he’s seen 2-3 times as many.
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does this even matter? obviously it’s not very common but any of those goalies can come out of nowhere and pull a reimer and jump 40 spots, who cares?
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Anecdote accepted, snappy comeback: Not Found.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Apr 14, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I wonder how high raycroft was rated…
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Probably pretty high
and I imagine so was Rask, Pogge, Price, S. Mason….
It’s a crapshoot to be sure, but doesn’t mean we shouldn’t care at all.
You can't give up hope just because it's hopeless. You have to hope even harder, cover your ears, and go 'blah blah blah blah blah!'
by nhlcheapshot on Apr 14, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
If anything it shows the need for even better scouting.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Apr 14, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
fair enough, I just don’t think it’s much of a stretch to think reimer will actually be better than any number of the people in front of him
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The people in front of him are all very good prospects or guys ready to make the jump to NHL starter.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Apr 14, 2011 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
If you’d like to ask TheGoalieGuild why he did any of those the way he did, Justin’s a great guy – I’m sure he’d explain them to you. http://www.thegoalieguild.com but “THESE MIGHT NOT BE 100% ACCURATE” isn’t the same as “why bother?”
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who cares?
Obviously not you, but some of us might.
You can't give up hope just because it's hopeless. You have to hope even harder, cover your ears, and go 'blah blah blah blah blah!'
by nhlcheapshot on Apr 14, 2011 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Seriously. I mean, why even rank prospects? Someone tell Central Scouting that their services won’t be needed any more.
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The dartboard method is very popular these days.
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by nhlcheapshot on Apr 14, 2011 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
isn’t that what the draft ends up being anyway? I just mean that we don’t need to put much stock into these rankings
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stalk? stock? i donno
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Look down.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Apr 14, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
That was crazy, I yours came up about 10 seconds after I posted mine, and I’m assuming that was the same for you but opposite.
Yes.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Apr 14, 2011 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Stock

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Apr 14, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
This thread is by far the meanest/funniest thing ever.
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by PassivelyTruculent on Apr 14, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I like that there is two different photos of P.J. Stock.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Apr 14, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
The shark one made me “lol”
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by PassivelyTruculent on Apr 14, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Wait, there was a tiny one up above similar to this.
Size matters!
by Draglikepull on Apr 14, 2011 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s a friggen hammer!
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Apr 14, 2011 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions
But back to the topic at hnd
Actually people put a lot of stock into these player rankings for the draft. Hell, did you see how much acknowledgement the former head of Central Scouting got when he died last week?
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maybe people do but the point is it isn’t fair to go out and say “haw our farm is deeper than yours cuz our goalie is rated 35th and yours is 37th”
you don’t know until they get a crack at the bigs. I would hazard to guess that there are a lot of diamonds in the rough at the goalie position that spend their careers there because of never being given a real shot
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by “there” I mean the minors
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Sure, but that’s much different than: who cares? or you shouldn’t care.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Apr 14, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the “who cares” was out of disgust at seeing reimer at 9th
reimer is never 9th
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reimer is never 9th
ooooooooooooooookkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
We all eagerly await your goalie prospect rankings.
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Its a really odd list. Note how Desjardins is on there. That weirds me out. The undrafted guy who was traded for Kari Ramo this season?
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Really? Don’t know much about him. Why did Montreal trade him for scraps? For that matter why did Minny trade Khudobin for scraps? Neither trade makes any sense to me.
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by PassivelyTruculent on Apr 14, 2011 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
So you don’t know much about him so you say its odd?
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ya but, you just said you don’t know much about him so it would to you.
The trade to TBL was dumb as shit
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Without further adieu…
It seems to me I’ve seen people write this several times, recently. Is it a joke or a quote from a movie?
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Adieu = “Farewell” in French
I think you’re looking for “without further ado”.
Oh, you better believe that's a paddling.
/properUse’d
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by nhlcheapshot on Apr 14, 2011 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Not a lot of people put stalk into the French language.
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by SkinnyFish on Apr 14, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions 10 recs
Make this a meme.
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by PassivelyTruculent on Apr 14, 2011 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes.
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by PassivelyTruculent on Apr 14, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
the stalk thing
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which one, I donno.
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by PassivelyTruculent on Apr 14, 2011 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
/whoosh
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by PassivelyTruculent on Apr 14, 2011 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Alors, un peu de Stock pour vous.

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by FiftyMissionCap on Apr 14, 2011 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions
You think THAT'S ugly?!

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by FiftyMissionCap on Apr 14, 2011 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Well that’s not even in the same tier. But those B’s ones were pretty bad considering the original sixness of the team.
Also, I take it I’m not the only around here procrastinating from law school exams, eh?
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by FiftyMissionCap on Apr 14, 2011 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Lol I was thinking that when you posted something last night. I have my first exam (Crim) tomorrow at 1!
Lucky, my first is Monday. And it’s Property. And it’s on my birthday.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Apr 14, 2011 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Real Property? That’s what we have this half and I feel like it’s going to be brutal.
Our exam sched is all dumb, we go Friday, Monday, Wed, and then we get Friday off for good Friday, but then go Monday (Easter), Wed, Fri.
They just lump all our property together: this semester was estates, trusts, leases/licenses/bailments, joint tenancy, etc.
We have next MON/WED, then Easter off, then TUES/WED/FRI.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Apr 14, 2011 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Ah, Tues/Wed is going to suck.
Our first semester was all “Property in things” so like chattels, and then this whole semester was Real Property.
Decent way of doing it. Yeah, that Crim/Torts back to back is gonna be killer. I should be teaching myself Torts right now, but I am not.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Apr 14, 2011 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Lol, I have Torts next Wednesday so I’m going to spend all weekend on it. Monday is Consty buy I’m not really worried about it. Crim is probably my biggest fear, closely followed by Prop and Torts.
I just finished getting run over by the bus my Crim prof threw us all under. Property tomorrow!
by Self Destructive Zones on Apr 14, 2011 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Property and Torts are easily my biggest fears. Crim will be a lot to learn and remember, but not hard if I can know what I’m doing.
By the by, you gonna do law games in Vancouver next year?
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by FiftyMissionCap on Apr 14, 2011 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Only problem is that my Crim prof likes writing exams that he says are “easy” and “won’t take the whole time”, but that nobody finishes.
And I would like to do it, I have some friends on the Committee so hopefully I get picked. What about you?
Definitely hope to do it next year. I’ll be at home in Victoria for xmas, so the airfare concerns I had about it would be null and void since I can just ferry over.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Apr 14, 2011 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I watched a game that featured those and the L.A. Kings B.K inspired sweaters, it was great.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Apr 14, 2011 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Ugly you say?

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by PassivelyTruculent on Apr 14, 2011 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Apparently Mike Keenan flipped his shit when he saw the design.
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by PassivelyTruculent on Apr 14, 2011 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Keenan refused to let the team play it in. Hence why they never did.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Apr 14, 2011 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Needs more colour!
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by PassivelyTruculent on Apr 14, 2011 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions
i thought that at first, but the notes don’t fit it…also, it would make more sense for the staff lines to be yellow..
A good compromise would’ve been marigold.
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by PassivelyTruculent on Apr 14, 2011 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Whatta bunch of Cac’s!
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by PassivelyTruculent on Apr 14, 2011 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Horrible
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by PassivelyTruculent on Apr 14, 2011 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions
we’re on the internet and you’re ruling out incompetent spelling?
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It’s Skinny we’re talking about. I wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt.
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Borders in Reading was having a closing sale. 6 books for $17, pretty solid find. “Scorecasting” may be the best find of them all.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Apr 14, 2011 3:27 PM EDT reply actions
Bryz read on the bench? Man goalies are weird creatures
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by PassivelyTruculent on Apr 14, 2011 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I know that.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Apr 14, 2011 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Oops
I meant to pick Washington in the NYR WSH series…I picked them to win the cup but not the series?
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OK PPP, it's votey time.
Do we let this obvious mistake go and I swap his 1st round pick, or do we not allow a correction and say he knows what he did?
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Community. I don’t give two shits what PPP has to say on this matter. :P
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Follow up question: Did he also vote for Pat Buchanan by mistake?
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Apr 14, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Hmmm.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Apr 14, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Let the mistake go.
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I vote let the mistake go, only because he chose Wsh to win the cup, so logic would dictate that’s who he’d choose to win in the series. That’s unless off-course, he’s a massive idiot.
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by PassivelyTruculent on Apr 14, 2011 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Or the NHL is now run by the WWE or something.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Apr 14, 2011 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I just hope this doesn’t open up a slippery slope.
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by PassivelyTruculent on Apr 14, 2011 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Hmm, we’ll have to setup an inquiry board. Reports will be made!
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by PassivelyTruculent on Apr 14, 2011 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Let the mistake go, dock his Cup pick one point.
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by theninjagreg on Apr 14, 2011 5:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
For those of you looking at the spreadsheet, pretty slick eh? All I have to do is type in the series winner and # of games in the green boxes and BLAMMO! points automatically generated.
/pats self on back
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Spreadsheets, how do they work?!
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by PassivelyTruculent on Apr 14, 2011 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Spreadsheets rule. Also, that’s the first time I’ve ever gotten IF statements to work properly. Woot.
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Excel 2007 & 2010 make it really easy, a little bar comes up with pretty much tell you what to put.
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by PassivelyTruculent on Apr 14, 2011 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
IF Montreal makes it the the SCF THEN Montreal will burn to the ground.
by Shield on Apr 14, 2011 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Butchered IF Statement.
IF(MTL>BOS,"City Burns Right to the Ground")
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by PassivelyTruculent on Apr 14, 2011 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions
The city you have to tried to reach……..MONTREAL….is no longer in service. Please turn your automobile around, closely watch your valuables, and do not try again.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Apr 14, 2011 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
It’s actually the Code font, for entering code. We just re-purposed it for sarcasm
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by PassivelyTruculent on Apr 14, 2011 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions
The tags for it are < code> though people use @ since it’s easier/faster.
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by PassivelyTruculent on Apr 14, 2011 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Line 1:
IF (MTL>BOS, “Montreal will burn to the ground”)
Line 2:
IF (MTL<BOS, “Montreal will burn to the ground”)
Popup box
“Montreal is burning to the fucking ground!”
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I got 1 upped. :(
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by PassivelyTruculent on Apr 14, 2011 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions
NERD!!!
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Apr 14, 2011 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Burke just said on TSN radio that he’s cheering for Vancouver because he had a big hand in bringing in a lot of their key players. He also said, surprisingly, that he voted for Mike Gillis for the GM of the year award.
TAMPERING!!!!….?
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by PassivelyTruculent on Apr 14, 2011 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Never gets old.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Apr 14, 2011 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Love the work Mike Gillis is doing, he deserves an award, though really most of his success is because of me.
Also, wouldn’t that same logic (i.e. cheering for Vancouver) apply even more so to the Ducks?
Well, the hosts asked him specifically about the Canucks, to which he said yes, but he also added that if his team is out of the playoffs, he likes to cheer for former players wherever they play, such as Bertuzzi in Detroit.
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Pfft Burke’s a bandwagoner!
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by PassivelyTruculent on Apr 14, 2011 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I dunno. Burke was a Vancouver fan before they even had the Sedins.
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If I built the core of a Cup contender, I’d cheer for them, too. If anything it would shut Canucks fans up about their Burke hatred and vindicate what he’s done there.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Apr 14, 2011 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions
heh
I thought I was picking a sleeper in Kesler. Guess not
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