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by birky on Apr 7, 2011 9:23 AM EDT
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Sorry for the delay this morning folks. I think we're all still half asleep from the snoozer played in Newark last night. The good news is that Phil Kessel popped home his 31st goal of the season and set a new personal high for points in a season (he is also on pace to play in only his second full-82 game season). Tyler Bozak added his 15th of the year. Has Bozie been a slight disappointment? Probably, although even your PPP overloads figured Bozak would only score 18 goals this season. For an undrafted kid playing in his first full NHL season, I don't think 15 goals is too shabby (although he had chances to score several more).
links after the jump...
Thursday links:
Ryan Hamilton should get the Tim Brent treatment
VLM on why hard work in the AHL should be rewarded
MLHS has a quick recap
Kovalchuk scores 30th as Devils beat Leafs
The Globe & Mail has your full write-up
A Leaf fan's guide to postseason cheering
50 Mission Cap has a good read on why you should/shouldn't root for certain teams in the SCP (note: you should NOT cheer for Vancouver)
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I’m excited that I am gonna be able to see McKegg play on Sunday. Hopefully in a meaningless game they will play him a lot
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Doubtful they burn a year of ELC for a single game. Can’t use the emergency call-up option. ATO would be for AHL only.
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I’m excited that I am gonna be able to see McKegg play on Sunday
Pretty sure he was referring to the AHL… ATO would be fine not burning a year.
You can't give up hope just because it's hopeless. You have to hope even harder, cover your ears, and go 'blah blah blah blah blah!'
If Michigan pulls off an upset tonight you might get to see Frattin too.
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I still don't get it.
Frattin gets knocked out, signs an ATO, plays for the Marlies on Sunday… why would that burn a year off an ELC?
You can't give up hope just because it's hopeless. You have to hope even harder, cover your ears, and go 'blah blah blah blah blah!'
The point is Burke loves to get prospects in for a game or two at the end of seasons I guess.
Blacker, now McKegg, Crescenzi likely too… Irwin last year for the Leafs (jee who saw that bust coming)
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Meh it was still worth it. Gotta sift through a lot of sand…
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I don’t think Frattin is going to sign a contract on Saturday and be in Toronto for one meaningless game on Sunday
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Yeah, he’s going to hit UFA on August 15th.
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Hey Nostradamus cut it out
You can't give up hope just because it's hopeless. You have to hope even harder, cover your ears, and go 'blah blah blah blah blah!'
Really no reason for him not to.
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Well
I was thinking about that. Let’s use, say, Andy Miele as a comparison for a second. He’s not a perfect comparison, but they both had great NCAA seasons, both up for the Hobey Baker, difference is that Miele could choose any team he wanted (or any team that wanted him anyway). Yes he’s a bit smaller, but he put up big points in his final year just like Frattin.
Anyway, my point is, he went to PHX of all places, for a 2 year ELC deal, max base salary but only $1.35M cap hit with bonuses. And he had 30 teams to potentially go to.
Frattin could wait until Aug 15th if he really wanted to go to a team that isn’t the Leafs, that’s true. But if it comes down to getting the best offer, I gotta think Leafs would match dollar and term just about what any team in the league could.
It really comes down to if he wants playing time or to be a depth player on a contendor or whatever. My point is I think Leafs have a relatively good shot to sign him before then.
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I know you admitted it
But I have heard that with Miele’s size it was likely he would not even be signed. He was ppg as a junior (unlike Frattin) and wasn’t signed then.
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Baseless speculation – he grew up in Edmonton and likely rooted for oilers. And went back home after being kicked from the team.
I’m not from Edmonton originally, but from my experience people who grew up here tend to really love the city, and really love the Oilers.
I have no idea what is going on in his head obviously. He could hate Edmonton. But there is a chance that he could want to play here too.
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Possible for sure
Lupul clearly loved it! Not! lol
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That being said, how many NHLers are from the GTA, or Ontario at least, and loved the Leafs growing up?
Not all of them sign with the Leafs even when they have UFA status. I imagine it doesn’t hold as much weight with choosing a team as we’d like to think it does, however each person has different priorities.
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by nhlcheapshot on Apr 7, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Good points for sure. Who knows. I guess also once you get out of a place it tends to expand your horizons a bit.
Maybe the people I know here who love Edmonton so much just haven’t been anywhere else.
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The Leafs should definitely give him a shot to make it in the organization, I mean it’s not like we’re in a position to be turning away a talented NCAA player, late bloomer or not. Based on Frattin’s “comeback” story, it’s clear that the kid has strong character and drive. Maybe he turns into a depth energy guy with some scoring ability. If he ended up being similar to a Tyler Kennedy I’d be happy.
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He may be more likely to be a Ryan Hollweg type…not as dirty of course.
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Yeeesh that’s harsh, Hollweg literally has no redeeming qualities other than injuring other people haha.
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The problem
Is that its all in his court (like the Sweatt situation last summer). He can hold out for a couple months and go UFA. The only difference between Sweatt and Frattin, is that Frattin MAY (i can’t stress that enough: MAY) have some loyalty to us as we offered him a contract last year.
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The good news is he’s probably not a 2nd liner. He skates about as well as my dog thinks and didn’t produce until he was a senior.
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by Chemmy on Apr 7, 2011 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
He produced decently as a junior. But yeah his real production was as a senior.
Our big ability to sign him would have been if he was eliminated early and wanted to play this year. The only thing I have heard going for us, is that we offered him a contract last year, so there could be some loyalty there… But thats probably a stretch.
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Of course he’ll probably win the Hobey and then we’ll hear about how the Leafs failed to sign the Hobey Baker winner.
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Muchas gracias! I think Hanson deserves the call up, as much as Hamilton but don’t think it does as much for the evaluation process as does bringing up Colborne.
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by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Apr 7, 2011 9:25 AM EDT reply actions
Hanson might get the call. I wonder if Zigomanis was healthy if he would get it
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by blindfolded tank driver on Apr 7, 2011 9:27 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah man he deserves it and I do love the Zigoman, but I doubt it.
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by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Apr 7, 2011 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Zigomanis is a classic plays well in AHL but not in NHL. I don’t get the Zigomanis love, even though most of it is just a meme
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I don’t know why I love the guy, I just do. Faceoffs must be important to me.
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by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Apr 7, 2011 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions
He is a great 4th liner. Good at the defensive side of the game, good in the dot, solid faceoff man. He is the kind of player you want to play with a guy like Orr (to cover his mistakes).
I think a lot of the love around here also comes from the fact that JFM was played instead of him, so we loved him (in comparison) more.
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great 4th liner who has played 197 career games in 7 seasons
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Great was probably too strong a word. He’s a good 4th liner. He puts it all on the line. Its similar to the Boyce love. He is a character guy.
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by Draglikepull on Apr 7, 2011 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m no Zig super fan. He is a vet guy who had a banner year in the A. If he was healthy I think Burke would have called him for a meaningless game. Colborne might come too.
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by blindfolded tank driver on Apr 7, 2011 9:41 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
If anyone gets a meaningless callup it’s gotta be Colborne in between Lupul and Kessel. Show ’em what you got kid.
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Apparently the Leafs only have one call up left anyway?
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by T is for Truculence on Apr 7, 2011 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Depends on the size of the roster.
In this case, probably.
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Yes, they’re currently carrying 23 players on the active roster due to the 3 goalie situation. So somebody would have to go down.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Apr 7, 2011 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions
On the team roster size has any NHL team ever carried less than 23 players (say 20 or less) if they are in cap trouble?
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After putting in Reimer last night and Saturday, it screams to me they’re not in any mood to “see what anyone can do”.
Poor Gus.
I’d love for a Colborne callup though, give McKegg some more ice time for those Marlies games.
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Zigo is a classic example of a player who won’t change his play style to make it to the NHL. He needs to become a player like Brent (defensive centre) opposed to playmaker in he AHL. He either can’t do it, refuses to, or hasn’t figured it out yet.
I hope he does though, cause I too like him.
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What do you base this on?
Zigo is a classic example of a player who won’t change his play style to make it to the NHL. He needs to become a player like Brent (defensive centre)
In what way was he NOT a defensive center in the NHL?
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Sorry I meant to say that essentially in the AHL he needs to focus more on the defensive aspects less on scoring. Kind of like they have been doing with Hanson.
Instead of saying that I decided to spew nonsense.
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Meah, I am kind of of the opinion that Hanson is bunk. Give Colbourne a taste and make him motivated to work even hard in the summer and next year.
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No but people think every Marlie player has a chance, truth is, majority don’t
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Very true. I don’t think he has been forgotten though to take Brent/Boyce’s/Rosehill’s place next year. He’ll have to earn it, but I think he’ll ge ta shot.
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Has anyone found the % difference in a draft pick making NHL (I recall 1 in 20) versus an AHL prospect?
Its not one in 20. Check out Cullen’s article for the chances of someone playing 200 NHL GP based on where drafted
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Good article – Cullens % are for 100 NHL games. Someone in PPP did it for 200. At any rate, I was looking for something like this
Round Pick % NHL Player % Chance for AHL
4-6th 15% X
X/15% would be the chance an AHL player (4-6th) makes the NHL. I haven’t seen anyone quantify the chance an AHL player makes the NHL.
My bad on the 100 vs 200.
What you want is a very difficult analysis because how do you define “AHL player”. Is that a guy like Caputi or MacA who played ~100-150 AHL GP as a “prospect”? Or a guy like Getzlaf who played ~30? What about a guy like Brent or Zigo?
And how do you define makes it to the NHL?
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For NHL define any 4-6th rounder that plays 100 NHL games (and they would be included as AHL capable i.e Getzlaf).
AHL definition is tougher because of contract length so I would either use any 4-6th rounder that plays one season AHL or plays out their entire contract in AHL.
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He’s so tall people think that he’s two crummy players standing on each other’s shoulders.
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by Chemmy on Apr 7, 2011 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He isn’t much of a goal scorer, his skating is average at best and aside from simply being a big body he isn’t much of a physical presence. So = bunk.
He isn’t much of a goal scorer,
12G and 31 pts in his 38 GP rookie season in the AHL when they actually used him as a scoring forward
Then they moved him to a defensive forward (to develop that part of his game).
13 G 34 pts in 56 GP in a defensive role.
He’s also great in the dot. For players with 150+ F/Os last year he was second on the team with a 55.4%.
I think he is a bust if you want him to be a top 6 player, but he is still developing appropriately to be a 3rd-4th line player.
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I think he is indeed a bust. We all have players we are attached too and those we aren’t. We have enough 3rd and 4th line players and although no where near Lebda bad Hanson just isn’t very good in my mind for the NHL game.
To be fair it’s been a while since he got a chance with the big club. Seems like he’s become a leader and a go-to guy for the Marlies since he’s been down there. I wouldn’t call him up just for game 82, but he should at least get another good look at training camp.
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The guy has had 42 NHL GP. He is 25 and a big body. He scores at a good clip in the AHL and is good in the dot. Why do you not want him in the bottom 6? What does Boyce offer that he doesn’t? Or Rosehill?
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If Hanson can come in and be next years Boyce/Crabb I’ll be more than happy.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Apr 7, 2011 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions
10:20am is way too early to be drinking
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ROsehill and Hanson have two very different roles. Rosey is a 4th line plug who is there as an “enforcer”. Hanson is not that type of player. SO that’s why Rosehill is up.
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Jay Rosehill excels in not being Colton Orr.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Apr 7, 2011 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
I am against the role of enforcer. You need enforcers who can play the game. Let Brown and Army be our enforcers.
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And if you want
Press box Rosehill and play him against teams where you think he is necessary
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While I agree with on the role of the enforcer, saying let Army do that is incredibly stupid
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Definitely. Rosehill and Brown will fight the heavyweights. Aulie will fight anyone stupid enough to take him on.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Apr 7, 2011 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Rosehill is a waste of a roster spot. Not as bad as Orr but still not worth it.
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Eh, Rosehill is fine on the fourth line if we need a warm body. Shouldn’t see everyday duty. Let him sit in the press-box 40 nights of the year.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Apr 7, 2011 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Personally, most 4th lines are filled with guys who play defensive style hockey or fighters. Hanson is not a fighter and just ok on teh defensive side of the game.
Why do people keeep bringing his name up, I dont get it
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First guy Burke signed as a college free agent as part of his no-first-rounders strategy, so not unreasonable to think people still hold out hope he’ll turn out.
Also his dad is one of the Hanson brothers and that’s pretty awesome.
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by T is for Truculence on Apr 7, 2011 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Sure hold out hope and I’m not saying I have given up hope, but I’m more worried about players who will improve our top 6 O and top4 D not a bottom 6 plugger
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Let’s just say I’m not going to lose sleep over him.
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by T is for Truculence on Apr 7, 2011 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
So let Brown do it. You don’t need to waste a spot on the roster for someone who’s job is just to fight.
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Brown and Rosehill are basically good enough skaters to play a 4th line/energy role and also good enough fighters to do the Colton Orr job.
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I’d rather see Rosehill dressed for games with an enforcer and benched without.
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Jay Rosehill’s clearly a 12th/13th forward.
But he knows what his job is, he does it fairly effectively, he’s a good enough skater to play 7-8 minutes a night without just skating around looking for a fight, and he makes like 60% of what Orr does.
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to me Rosehill is an AHL player
He’s a good fighter but he doesn’t do much else and he’s not like Orr who has people afraid of him… Orr is a better enforcer imo but I wish NIETHER were on this team come next year…
Brown can do the momentum fights and Schenn Komi Phaneuf and Aulie can all stick up for people. Hell like I was saying yesterday put Hanson in there and he can fight when needed too. He can play a regular shift but he’s a decent enough fighter that when the need is there he can drop them. But I don’t see the need to carry a 3 minute a game player on the active roster who cant do anything besides fight and take penalties.
Put one in the press box as the 14th forward and maybe play them against goons like Carkner
For the most part
I agree. I would like to see Phaneuf and Schenn fight less (not owrth the risk fo injury), but besides that I agree.
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Schenn Komi Phaneuf and Aulie can all stick up for people
Yes lets put 1 of the Leafs 2 best defencemen in the box for 5 minutes.
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I’m very okay with Komi fighting anyone that is better than him as long as he doesn’t get the instigator.
Luckily there aren’t many NHL players that aren’t better than him. Yes double negative.
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by nhlcheapshot on Apr 7, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Problem is you get somebody like Schenn or Phaneuf fighting a Carkner and it hurts our team way more than theirs. Carkner plays Orr minutes but we can’t afford to lose one of our key D for a 5 minute major. If the fourth-line scrubs are pretty much interchangeable might as well have one of them bite the bullet.
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by T is for Truculence on Apr 7, 2011 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah but it doesn’t need to be a scrub like Rosehill, or worse Orr. I’d rather a guy who can contribute in some way like Konopka (F/O specialist)
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Well sure and I’d rather we have a guy like Crosby as our 1C too. But you make do with what you have and Rosehill is a better option than Orr. If Burke isn’t satisfied with what he has on the bottom 6 it’s also a lot easier to go out and find another option in the summer. I just don’t think it’s no. 1 on the priority list right now.
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by T is for Truculence on Apr 7, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
The discussion was not Rosehill vs Orr. Its Hanson vs Rosehill
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and I prefer Hanson
I say its Brown on one wing and you have a season long competition between Boyce Hanson and Brent for the other 2 spots on the 4th line… if you don’t give it all everytime your on the ice you get benched the next game…
to the above 3
yes I prefer Schenn and Phaneuf to NOT fight but the point is with those 4 on D if there is a dirty hit etc we do have those guys to jump in to defend our guys so we have no need for a Orr on the bench to defend from those hits…
Basically I think we have enough players who will step in and protect themselves and their team mates that a designated heavyweight is necessary… Plus we have Brown still
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Yea, I was reading the posts the other day and the predictions were bang on.
All things considered it’s hard to call the season anything other than a success.
3 years in and Burke has one of the youngest teams in the league in the playoff race.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Apr 7, 2011 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't know about bang on (except for Schenn) but pretty close in some cases. Off in others.
Kris Versteeg – 25 (14) Tyler Bozak – 18 (15) Phil Kessel – 37 (31)
Nik Kulemin – 21 (30) Mikhail Grabovski – 17 (29) Clarke MacArthur – 16 (21)
Fredrik Sjostrom – 7 (2) Tim Brent – 6 (8) Colby Armstrong – 13 (8)
Colton Orr – 3 (2) Mike Zigomanis – 3 (0) Mike Brown – 3 (3)
Caputi/Hanson/Mitchell – 11 (2)
defense:
Francois Beauchemin – 6 (2) Dion Phaneuf – 13 (8)
Tomas Kaberle – 7 (3) Mike Komisarek – 2 (1)
Carl Gunnarsson – 5 (4) Luke Schenn – 5 (5!)
by Leaf in Habland on Apr 7, 2011 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Versteeg, Kessel were pretty off on the high side, MGK was pretty off on the downside, our depth players just put up almost nothing.
We didn’t get nearly enough help from our defense. Beauchemin, Phaneuf and Kaberle all underperformed from a goal-scoring perspective, not necessarily points though. Beauch ended up being used more as shut-down than offense.
You can't give up hope just because it's hopeless. You have to hope even harder, cover your ears, and go 'blah blah blah blah blah!'
Crabb/Boyce/Kadri were 11 total. They pretty much did what we thought Hanson/Caputi/Mitchell would do.
by Leaf in Habland on Apr 7, 2011 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Versteeg for 25 was the biggest disappointment from an expected goals perspective.
Clearly Giguere and Gustavsson’s sv % was the biggest disappointment overall.
You can't give up hope just because it's hopeless. You have to hope even harder, cover your ears, and go 'blah blah blah blah blah!'
Although if you add 14+8 for Lupul you get 22 which is not far off. I know they weren’t traded for each other, but one essentially replaced the other.
by Leaf in Habland on Apr 7, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Don’t hurt yourself with those predictions. What were your GA predictions though?
You can't give up hope just because it's hopeless. You have to hope even harder, cover your ears, and go 'blah blah blah blah blah!'
I don’t think anyone saw Giguere and Gustavsson being this bad. Oh well.
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This is why it terrifies me to think we’re not going after Bryz or Vokoun, or at least someone else not named Gigeure.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Apr 7, 2011 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions
You were right about Toskala, jeez can’t you be right about everything, that’s all we freakin’ ask.
You can't give up hope just because it's hopeless. You have to hope even harder, cover your ears, and go 'blah blah blah blah blah!'
He doesn’t even backcheck….
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by fair_n_hite_451 on Apr 7, 2011 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions
BTW, anyone else think that the Hossa “goal” was BS?
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Yes, just watched that.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Apr 7, 2011 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions
At the very least, Hossa didn’t think it was a goal. Did you see that goal “celebration?”
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Plus he made a distinct kicking motion and obviously whiffed on it as the puck would have crossed the line had his stick made any contact at all.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Apr 7, 2011 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions
You’d think so but here we are.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Apr 7, 2011 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions
My guess, no one will be held accountable and nothing will change.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Apr 7, 2011 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Someone needs to make a stink because that was terrible and the war room is usually very accurate.
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But not always, right.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Apr 7, 2011 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh, they were right. They just changed the rule before making the call.
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Basically they scribbed out the foot in the crease rule in the rule book with a sharpie and wrote in FOR THE LOVE OF GOD WE JUST WANT TO GO HOME.
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More like: Fuck Buffalo.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Apr 7, 2011 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions
The game was already four hours long. I think anything would have been a goal at that point.
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“Shot goes wide…ref signals a goal!”
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More like they highlighted “before gaining possession” part, amirite?
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i mean... someone besides SLGT
I love SLGT.
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Kicked it in. Shouldn’t have counted even if it did cross the line. Complete blown call by the NHL.
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Exactly, nothing about it makes it a goal.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Apr 7, 2011 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions
I smell a conspiracy to ensure the ‘exciting and rejuvenated young hawks’ make the playoffs this year.
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Most likely just incompetence.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Apr 7, 2011 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Occam’s Razor up in this bitch.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Apr 7, 2011 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions
I saw an amazing animated gif about ten years ago. It flashed “God created the Universe” and “God Just Exists” and then a razor blade with “OCCAM” written on it slashed off the left half of each sentence leaving “The universe just exists”.
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Yea but who created the gif?
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You can’t explain that.
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Am I correct in assuming that only Dallas can now knock them out, and only if CHI shits the bed?
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yep. chicago has 2 games left, dallas 3. I think if chicago wins one more game dallas is done though.
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The only way it should be a goal is if Hossa’s stick hits it after it touches the post. I don’t think it does though (I only saw one angle).
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If his stick makes contact there is almost no way it continues laterally across the goal-line like that.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Apr 7, 2011 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions
The only way for that to be physically possible is if he imparts spin on the puck, and i just don’t see it.
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Once again occam’s razor. He whiffed, no goal.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Apr 7, 2011 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions
The angle could have been adjusted just slightly. Its really hard to tell. To be fair I am really just trying to play devils advocate here. Its no goal.
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Is the amount of weight they put on the on-ice call. Why are they defaulting to human vision, which is prone to many errors especially in real time in a fast game like hockey, when they have a ton of high tech replay equipment? It makes no sense. There were two “non conclusives” in the replay, but it’s a goal because the on ice ref thought it went in?
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Well, i mean, looking at the reverse angle i can buy the “Inconclusive if crossed the goal line” because its pretty close, but he didn’t touch that puck, the reverse angle even shows that it hopped his stick.
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Right, so even if it went in it should still be waived off as he kicked it in.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Apr 7, 2011 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think it touched his stick either, but they said it was “inconclusive” which means they didn’t even really know
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Blues broadcaster Darren Pang heard from the War Room and was told that they could not find indisputable evidence to overturn O’Halloran’s goal call on the ice and they felt that Hossa did indeed touch the puck after it went off his skate.
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Fucking physics, how does it work.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Apr 7, 2011 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
But nothing showed it over the line anyways
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Yeah, but its close enough I’ll buy that they believed the “Ref cam” who had a good angle on it.
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Really, they just want you to play the Hawks and not the Stars who they know you’ll just steamroll
/conspiracy
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Well
If Chicago plays that crappy against St Louis when their playoff spot is on the line…
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The Stars played crappy against EVERYONE though.
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True
I of course would be happy if Dallas managed to squeak into 8th
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Yea the burden of proof needs to be shifted. As soon as the decision is made to go upstairs the ref’s call should be made void.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Apr 7, 2011 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Ryan Hamilton kinda sucks. There’s a reason he hasn’t gotten a sniff of the NHL ye
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He’s basically a 0.5 – 0.6 ppg player in the AHL.
And it’s not like he’s an AHL rookie where you can hopefully project some growth to his game.
He’s turned 26 and has played 5 seasons in the AHL. He is what he is. An AHL player.
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I agree with you 100%
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I've heard this one before
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He plays for the Marlies
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Whalers on the moon?
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Apr 7, 2011 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions
bob marley & the hartford whalers?
also..i wouldn’t stand hip deep in water to watch a concert..especially reggae
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ooh swim up bar, now that sounds like fun
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by Future_considerations on Apr 7, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
maybe, i was just thinking that water looks pretty foul.
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by Future_considerations on Apr 7, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Thinking the same thing. It all depends on what the water is like. If its some sketchy pond or something? Hell no.
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So...
We can’t catch Carolina anymore. We are tied with STL with one fewer ROW than them. What’s the next tiebreaker if we both end up with the same # of ROWs?
Also, MIN is 3 points back with 2 games in hand. Man that would suck if they passed us. But at least they are now the only team that can pass us, which would leave us with a worst case scenario of 22nd overall (9th overall pick). Best case scenario, we jump ahead of STL and finish 20th (11th overall pick).
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Season series only counts if you play more than one game. At least that’s how it worked last year. So that leaves.. goal differential?
Actually, it requires the home/road split to be even… but its the same thing unless we have another shortened season.
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We’re going to finish ~20th or 21st. We’re out of the lottery. It’s all good.
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Check what I called in September
10th +/-2
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Is anybody really curious about what’s going on with Gustavsson? It just seems odd that the staff & front office doesn’t want to get a look at him in a game to see if he has made progress over the past two months. Yet they throw in Giguere, who admits he desperately needs offseason surgery to correct groin issues.
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Aaaand it's official. Giggy shutting it down with 1 game left in the season.
"The sports hernia itself hasn’t caused me too much pain, but it makes the rest of my muscles not work the way they should be. I think that’s why we had all kinds of problems this year with the groin pulls and stuff like that."
“You can’t really go through a season like this where you’re no good to yourself and you’re no good to your team.”
Somehow this revelation didn’t come to him after the 2nd time his groin exploded? I’m not gonna rip on him any more because his averages aren’t atrocious (.900 / 2.87) but the timing of this just bugs me.
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Does that mean Gus is backing up on Saturday? Wooooo upgrade from press box to bench!
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by nhlcheapshot on Apr 7, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Meh, 1 period.
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by nhlcheapshot on Apr 7, 2011 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Looking back now what would be a better scenario for leafs
Toskala (until Apr 2010) and Blake (until April 2012)
Or Giguere (until April 2011)
2009/10 was a playoff writeoff either way with Toskala/Giggy.
2010/11 would be (Monster + other goalie) and Blake?
the latter, because we don’t have blakes contract on the books for next year
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I agree
Seems silly to me. They talk about going with Gus as the back up, but htey don’t want to test him?
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TheGoalieGuild and I were talking about that last night, and I can see both sides. In one case, playing him against New Jersey would’ve meant time to evaluate him in a game situation. On the other hand, though, he would be playing behind a team that likely wasn’t going to bring 100% for their first “doesn’t matter” game in a long time, and who’s doing a back-to-back after a 40-shot, SO game against Washington. So do you really get a good evaluation with all those cross-rink passes NJ was getting last night?
The other thing to remember – but that I don’t want to read too far into – is that the Leafs brass should have a good idea where he is and where they want him in terms of playing another game. It’ll be about 7 months between Gustavsson’s last and next NHL game, earning this the title of “The Gustavsson Experiment,” but I’m excited for the new unveiling next year.
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I am not sure if I am reading this correctly
is that the Leafs brass should have a good idea where he is and where they want him in terms of playing another game
HOw can they know where he is without playing him in games? Practice just isn’t the same…
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Some of Gustavsson’s issues – especially keeping his angle and depth at an NHL pace – can be figured out in scrimmages. It’s not exactly the same, sure, but what I mean is that I think there’s a developmental reason he’s in the pressbox, not just a loyalty to Giguere.
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Fair enough
Though I would argue one of his biggest problems is keeping his cool and confidence after a bad goal. That can only be worked on/tested in a game with consequences.
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He's being put to the test that's for sure.
Both parents passing, 3 heart surgeries, adjusting to NHL ice, pressure of Toronto media…. his besty Rickard Wallin across the pond…
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by nhlcheapshot on Apr 7, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Its quite possible. Its not like their haven’t been mentally unstable goalies (like 2 out of every 3.) or goalies that go fucking crazy (Hextall, Rask, etc). But they have to be REAL good to make up for it.
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You mention crazy goalies and say Rask but not Billy Smith?
Yowza.
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Markstrom too looks like a mental case.
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by nhlcheapshot on Apr 7, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
really it took him a long time and a lot of shit happening for him to crack
before he started losing his cool this season because he was getting hung the fuck out 3 times a game i was amazed at how cool and calm he was most of the time
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Go watch the AHL game where a stupid ref makes a ridiculous call and he throws a milk crate on the ice after. Funny shit
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It was a pretty ridiculous call.
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no, just at how i dont think his mental game was an issue…until the very end
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by JaredFromLondon on Apr 7, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah he just was shaken after those 5 or 6 bad games after mid november. Seemed like every goal after that destroyed him for the rest of the game
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He wasn’t the same after those back to back four-goal-against games against Pitt/Wash.
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Wanna try the same exercise for Pogge? Or S. Mason?
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I don’t watch any CBJ hockey but Mason doesn’t flip his shit often, does he? And pogge, he’s a basketcase that doesn’t have much of a future as an NHL goalie.
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Not a shit-flipping headcase, but his mental game is pretty bad. TGG rips him regularly for it (using TGG, as I’m not exactly an avid Columbus watcher).
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Shame. I’m from the same town as him, played summer hockey on his team a couple times. Nice guy.
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I asked Mirtle what he was up to, and Mirtle says that Gustavsson’s been at every practice and game day skate. My guess is that, because some of his issues were so fundamental, they wanted to completely remove him from pressure situations and work on his issues slowly – so that he could watch video / work with allaire without having to scream “FUCK” at least once per game.
He’ll probably spend the whole summer doing the same – slow improvement, work on fundamentals, build confidence – and in September – hopefully – we’ll see a Gustavsson 2.0.
I also wouldn’t be shocked if Wilson pulled a switcheroo for the Montreal game. Because it’s Wilson.
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I’m lead to the same conclusion – which makes me think they have no plans on going out and getting a vet backup this summer.
Training camp will have Reimer, Gus, Scrivens, Rynnas, and they’ll roll with Reimer and whoever plays their heart out in camp. Whether or not they SHOULD do that is debatable, but I think they very well might.
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I’m guessing the Leafs go for another 7 game preseason, giving Reimer two starts, Rynnas and Scrivens one start, and either give Gustavsson three starts or give him two and let either Rynnas or Scrivens earn one.
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Anyone here follow Lupul on Twitter? He’s been singing Corey Perry’s praises all morning, but I’m curious if there’s something between Lupul and Getzlaf:
To everyone that is saying it’s all Getzlaf obviously missed the 20 games that Getzlaf was out. Perry was even better then. It’s no contest
Nah, I think he’s just defending Perry because he’s probably reading “Oh well the only reason that Perry scored 50 was because of Getzlaf”.
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I don't get it
You can’t say Perry’s points are all Getzlaf and say Daniel’s aren’t all Henrik. Seems kind of hypocritical of people to be doing that.
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It’s kinda crazy to me that the two candidates leading the Hart discussion are also on two of the best lines in the NHL.
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Who's the 3rd anyway?
Stamkos? I would argue Timmy T should get consideration.
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I would agree with that
Bruins are no where near were they are right now without Timmy
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Stamkos probably played his way out of the discussion with his 2nd half vanishing act. Perhaps Kesler is in the mix but Thomas deserves it before he does I think.
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Kesler
Has vanished as well in the second half
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“vanishing act” = not putting up 50G in 50 games pace I’m assuming.
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No, but he had nearly 40 before the allstar break and something like 10 since then IIRC.
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Wow I thought Kesler had cracked 40. He has really slowed down.
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One even strength goal in the last 22 games
And it was an empty netter
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Hey, they all count
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Not to Iafrate they don’t
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Maybe saving it for playoffs.
I doubt it, he was scoring unsustainably, even for a #1 overall pick.
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Honestly, I’d love to see Thomas get it. He’s posting the best single season save percentage since they started tracking the stat. .938 is ridiculous – it even beats Hasek’s Hart winning years. I’m worried that the hype of Boston’s defense, which continues to be shite after Kaberle and Chara, might keep him off of it, but he’s single handedly gotten the Bruins at least 3 places in the standings.
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I can't believe people still believe
That the Bruins D is amazing. It’s all Thomas. End of story
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And he’s doing it in an era where goal-scoring is up vs Hasek’s Hart years (I think anyway).
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I think the argument against him
Is GP not D. He is at 56 games played. So if he plays both 58 GP. People probably want to see 60 min, more likely 70.
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When Hasek got 0.937
The best ever at the time (best by 0.005 over his previous record), he had 64 GP and did NOT get it. Thomas is beating him by 0.001 this year with less GP
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Yeah, that’s a good point. When Hasek did win the Hart, it was with 72 GP and 67 GP.
That’s a shame.
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I don't think Thomas will get it
But I think he should get a nod in the top 3
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Kessel’s goals were all Savard.
Wait.
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General Question
Can people explain to me why Wayne Simmonds is so widely valued. A can’t miss prospect/young player? Is it just because he is an NHL regular at such a young age? Putting up 14 G and 40 points as a 21 year old? And now 16/30 as a 22 year old?
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Seems like a similar player to Kulie but with a little more edge to him. I know they really like him in L.A.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Apr 7, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
He’s been rated very highly and I think people like his game because he is fast, good on the forecheck, young and putting up decent points.
It’s funny how he’s a surefire prospect but some one like Bozak, 2 years old but putting up similar points, is a “bust”.
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by nhlcheapshot on Apr 7, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah it is funny eh? From what I heard, he was a nonstarter in the Penner discussions.
Anyway thanks for the answers. I don’t watch that much Kings (though they are a fun team), so I didn’t know.
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Fan favourite I think, and pretty cheap contract. Throw in hardworking and it’s hard not to like him.
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by nhlcheapshot on Apr 7, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Wayne Simmonds – 14G 16 A, 13:27 TOI
Tyler Bozak – 15G, 17A, 19:18 TOI
by Draglikepull on Apr 7, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Ya I didn’t mean to say they were perfectly comparable, Simmonds is clearly playing a 3rd line role and putting up decent points for his age/TOI/linemates, etc.
I just smile at how small a difference in points and age makes one a blue chipper and another a failure.
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by nhlcheapshot on Apr 7, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Simmonds also plays with pretty unimpressive line-mates like Handzus and Ponikarovksy.
by Draglikepull on Apr 7, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Poni is not unimpressive. He is having a terrible year, there is a difference. Could that perhaps have to do with his line mates?
Also a large part of it is the market. People are going to shit on Toronto players faster, and give a market like LA’s players more patience.
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Simmonds is also a young, 2nd round draft pick, whereas Bozak is both older and undrafted. I still think Bozak has some upside to him, but if you asked me straight-up which player I’d rather have, I’d take Simmonds.
by Draglikepull on Apr 7, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Only 1 wish for saturdays game.. Grabbo gets his 30th. He deserves it. Extra sweet against the smelly habs.
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by Future_considerations on Apr 7, 2011 11:40 AM EDT reply actions
Yeah, he really does. I mean he had an amazing year but 30 goals sounds much better than 29. 31 sounds even better.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Apr 7, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
I want Phil’s 32nd AND Grabbos 30th, and Dion’s 9th and 10th
Dion Phaneuf: turning the tunes up since '10
Kadri’s 3rd-7th also.
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by nhlcheapshot on Apr 7, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
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Lets not get greedy here, that would put us at a 7-0 game, probably doable but we’d be missing out on lupul’s 15th
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Wilson could pull Reimer for the entire 3rd period and just play 6 on hockey “just for the hell of it”
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by nhlcheapshot on Apr 7, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
i can get on board with all these scoring predictions.
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by Future_considerations on Apr 7, 2011 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Both Auld and Price will get injured and they’ll strap pads on Subban
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And then Phaneuf will rip a slapshot off his head and knock his mask off while Schenn is hipchecking him into the air
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Have both goalies ever been injured in the same game? What was done? That kinda happened with us I remember and apparently they sent for Scrivens (who didn’t end up dressing IIRC). What happens if its like the middle of the second?
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You have to put another skater in goalie pads or find an emergency goalie within a reasonable time frame.
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Luke Adam was just named the AHL Rookie of the Year, that’s 3 years in a row for Sabres prospects to win that (Gerbe and Ennis).
Yet Darcy still sucks.
Columbus is a failure for not hiring Kevin Dineen.
Which new Marlie is going to break the streak?
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Fuck I love that kid. When people were saying Buffalo could have been a good fit for Kabs last summer, Jared pointed him out. And I have loved him since then.
I don’t think Gerbe will ever pan out to much in the NHL though..
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I suspect his career will be short, but i think he can manage for a few years because he apparently is in better shape than pretty much everyone in the league. (he has to be really)
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Speaking of the Leafs, you’ve defiantly got something in Kadri. I’m not quite sure exactly what, but i can see why Burke wanted him.
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Is it because the next “best” option was Jared “the Pylon” Cowen?
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by nhlcheapshot on Apr 7, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
For what ever its worth
I was upset he didn’t take MPS. Didn’t know much about Kadri at the time. Still not sure I am happy with Kadri over MPS
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Ya that one it will take time to see what the right choice was. MPS doesn’t look bad though that’s for sure.
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by nhlcheapshot on Apr 7, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
from a pure skill standpoint, its Kadri all day
but MPS has size and speed enough to be a useful NHL player if skill doesn’t come through, kadri probably doesnt
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by JaredFromLondon on Apr 7, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn’t follow junior/Europe much at all at that point, so my opinion then wasn’ worth much. I had just heard more about MPS for whatever reason. Now I think its an even bet between them who will be the better player.
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The oilers still have plenty of time to ruin him.
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Downside to this MPS/Kadri argument – Kadri is far and away our best prospect at forward. MPS is Edmonton’s third best prospect at forward, and that may change again depending on who they draft this year.
Counter-point – Edmonton has nothing at all going on on defence and their goalies are wholly unimpressive.
by Draglikepull on Apr 7, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't worry about EDM
They’ve got 5 more years of #1 overall picks to build that defense and goaltending up.
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by nhlcheapshot on Apr 7, 2011 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
when was the last time a team had two first over alls?
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by JaredFromLondon on Apr 7, 2011 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
In a row? I can’t think of any. Pittsburgh got Crosby/Malkin at #1 and #2 two years in a row. Chicago got Toews/Kane at #3 and #2.
by Draglikepull on Apr 7, 2011 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Yup, #1 and #3 in a row.
Can’t remember 2 first overalls.
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by nhlcheapshot on Apr 7, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Here are the number ones back to 1994…. Ottawa had 2 back to back (95/96), pittsburgh had 2 out of 3 years….
1994 Florida Ed Jovanovski
1995 Ottawa Bryan Berard
1996 Ottawa Chris Phillips
1997 Boston Joe Thornton
1998 Tampa Bay Vincent Lecavalier
1999 Atlanta Patrik Stefan
2000 NY Islanders Rick DiPietro
2001 Atlanta Ilya Kovalchuk
2002 Columbus Rick Nash
2003 Pittsburgh Marc-Andre Fleury
2004 Washington Alex Ovechkin
2005 Pittsburgh Sidney Crosby
2006 St. Louis Erik Johnson
2007 Chicago Patrick Kane
2008 Tampa Bay Steven Stamkos
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still cant believe pits took MAF first over all
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by JaredFromLondon on Apr 7, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
they could have had staal… crazy…
1 Pittsburgh Marc-Andre Fleury
2 Carolina Eric Staal
3 Florida Nathan Horton
4 Columbus Nikolai Zherdev
5 Buffalo Thomas Vanek
6 San Jose Milan Michalek
7 Nashville Ryan Suter
8 Atlanta Braydon Coburn
9 Calgary Dion Phaneuf
10 Montreal Andrei Kostitsyn
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So TBL has Vinny and stamkos, PIT has Crosby and Fleury.
Not back to backs but they’re still on the same team…
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by nhlcheapshot on Apr 7, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Interesting that Tampa won a Cup in between their two first overall picks. No one else on that list got two picks without being really bad for a long period of time.
by Draglikepull on Apr 7, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
tampa also lucked the fuck out with st louis, plus 3rd rounder turned sensation richards
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by JaredFromLondon on Apr 7, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
St. Louis was an amazing grab.
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by nhlcheapshot on Apr 7, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
i ment back to back, but yes
that’s just silly
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by JaredFromLondon on Apr 7, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey…who’s the best player out of the 03 class?
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I lean towards Staal…but it’s razor close.
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getzlaf is who i would pick if i had my choice
then Perry, then Staal/weber/Parise
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by JaredFromLondon on Apr 7, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Staal’s played the most games
Staal’s scored the most goals.
Staal’s scored the most points.
Staal’s one of two guys hovering around a PPG, and he’s got 100 games on Getzlaf.
It’s Staal. It’s not even close.
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Staal/Getzlaf/Parise.
I love Parise.
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by nhlcheapshot on Apr 7, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
i have bias against staal though, I hate him so goddamned much
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by JaredFromLondon on Apr 7, 2011 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
you know who has the 13th most goals?
lee stempniak.
fuck lee stempniak.
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by daoust on Apr 7, 2011 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah but who has been better the last 2 or 3 years? I just think he developed the fastest.
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So basically you’re penalizing Staal because he’s ahead of the others.
That makes less than no sense.
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Who said I was penalizing. I am saying I am not judging who has had the best career. I am judging who is the best player today. They are different questions.
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Over the Last 2-3 Years
Parise 176 GP 182 Pts
Getzlaf 212 GP 235 Pts
Staal 231 GP 220 Pts
Over an arbitrarily chosen period Staal’s not that far behind either of your two sympathetic picks that you’re overvaluing in part because of where they got drafted.
Neither’s matched Staal’s 100 point season.
The second best season for all of them is 82 points.
Since the lockout Staal’s never finished with less than 70 points.
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Staal is my third
Getzlaf, Parise, Staal
In that order. Staal developed the fastest but I don’t think he is the best.
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Let’s just get both.
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even Bozak could be a number 1 center between those guys
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by JaredFromLondon on Apr 7, 2011 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
In order
Staal
Weber
Getzlaf
Kesler
Perry
Parise
Vanek
Richards
Carter
Enstrom
Brown
Fleury
Enstrom
Phaneuf
Byfuglien
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I will not.
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by nhlcheapshot on Apr 7, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
also the best of the rest
seabrook, Suter, Eriksson, Bergeron and burns
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by JaredFromLondon on Apr 7, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Whoops, forget those guys. Bergeron goes ahead of Enstrom as does Seabrook. Eriksson just after. Burns meh.
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For me it’s Staal, Perry, Getzlaf and Weber that I keep flipping between. Depends on which night I see them…the three forwards are really close. And Weber is sick. Tough call for me.
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At this moment in time, it’s Staal and then a bunch of people fighting for 2nd.
We can talk in 2-3 years about Shea Weber, Ryan Getlzaf and Corey Perry, and maybe Zach Parise, but as of today? It’s Staal and other answers are incorrect.
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Really?
Kesler and Weber ahead of Parise?
And Vanek ahead of Richards and Carter?
To be different I’ll argue that Carter is the better player between him and Richards.
And I’d toss Errickson and Horton as better than Byfuglien.
Oh and the best player is Biz Nasty at 121
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Vanek deserves to be ahead of Richards and Carter.
J. Carter NHL 459 GP 181 G 161 A 342 P
M. Richards NHL 451 GP 133 G 215 A 348 P
T. Vanek NHL 468 GP 203 G 180 A 383 P
Vanek’s stats are suprisingly pretty spectacular.
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I would take Richards over Vanek any day of the week
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Maybe
but it’s not because he’s put up better numbers.
He may be more physical, more 2-way, better leadership, whatever. But not because he scores more goals or has put up more points.
Honestly though I was surprised that Vanek had more than Richards when I looked it up.
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on the Leafs, i’d take richards because he fills an area of need more
if they needed both types of player equally, I’d be hard pressed not to take a long look at Vanek
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by JaredFromLondon on Apr 7, 2011 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
His contract sucks though due to a certain GM. Offer sheets galore!
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Some one wrote an article that mirtle tweeted the other day, a beat writer for EDM I believe, last October wrote that he would eat his article if EDM finished dead last again.
He was that confident in Hall/MPS/Eberle.
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by nhlcheapshot on Apr 7, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Hall’s injury probably didnt help much, but still, it takes more than a couple good young kids to make a team good
Edmonton wont be a competative team if all they do is grow their draft picks, they will need to chicago it and make a few good ufa signings
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by JaredFromLondon on Apr 7, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
IN their defense
If they could get 0.910 goal tending they could pop up 4 or 5 spots with the same roster.
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It’s hard finishing last. The Leafs haven’t done that in 25 years. And the Oilers have done it two years in a row. In a 30-team league.
And it wasn't even close.
28 Florida 70
29 Colorado 66
30 Edmonton 61
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by nhlcheapshot on Apr 7, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
You know how bad the Leafs were last year? 74 points? The Oiler FIVE-YEAR-AVERAGE even if they win their last two games will be 74.2 points.
by Papa Squid on Apr 7, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Even Vezina goaltending would still leave them solidly in the bottom quarter of teams. I don’t think they worry about defence too much.
And I have a feeling they’re going to pick up another forward at #1 overall.
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they will probably pick the best player, which is currently Nugent hopkins
they REALLY need Larsson
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by JaredFromLondon on Apr 7, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Yup.
They need to trade one of their many forward prospects for a blue chip D prospect though.
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by T is for Truculence on Apr 7, 2011 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Wake up sheep! MLSE Oilers management will never be motivated to spend for a winning team if sheep like them fill the building every night! They need to organize a protest…
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MPS will be better than Eberle
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by JaredFromLondon on Apr 7, 2011 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I dunno, Eberle’s matched Hall’s production this year.
Crazy stat I discovered while looking that up:
Hemsky is a +3. The next best skater in their top 6 is Hall at -9. Craziness.
by Draglikepull on Apr 7, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I have an irrational dislike of Hemsky.
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by nhlcheapshot on Apr 7, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I think he’s pretty slick…made of glass, but a lot of fun to watch with the puck.
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they should combine him and gaborik together into one super player, they each have about half their healthy parts left
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by JaredFromLondon on Apr 7, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m sure you have a player you irrationally dislike with no regard to his statistical accomplishments.
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yeah I call them the Detroit Red Wings….
by Nigel Cadbury on Apr 7, 2011 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Eberle is also older and more developed
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by JaredFromLondon on Apr 7, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually Gerbe has done better than I thought this year. He definitely has the talent, so we’ll see if he can overcome his size.
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He’s scored quite a bit recently, he was in single digits most of the season.
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I think he can, Gerbe looks good
But it’s hilarious to see him and Myers on the ice at the same time. I saw them when Buf came to TO most recently and the size discrepency is staggering in person.
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by nhlcheapshot on Apr 7, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
He plays on a line currently with the 6’4 Mancari and the 6’5 Gaustad. Its funny to see them celebrating goals.
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not on hand, i’ll see if i can turn anything up though.
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His face would be about booby-height
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by nhlcheapshot on Apr 7, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Nope
Theo Fleury
Height 5 ft 6 in (1.68 m)
Weight 180 lb (82 kg; 12 st 12 lb)
Nathan Gerbe
Height 5 ft 5 in (1.65 m)
Weight 178 lb (81 kg; 12 st 10 lb)
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His goal against the Devils on the NHL video highlights has Gerbe, Gaustad, and Myers. Poor little guy has to crane his neck to see everyone else!
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Is the Hart for “Most Valuable to his team” or “Best Player”
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Apr 7, 2011 11:55 AM EDT reply actions
By definition, the former
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In practice?
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Apr 7, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Also
It favours offense too much.
For example 2 years ago when Ovi one. The other finalists were Datsyuk and Crosby. Datsyuk was number 3 in scoring and won the Selke. To me the 3rd best offensive player and BEST defensive player is the best all around, no?
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Very true. Looking at the list of winners there aren’t many guys who don’t deserve to be on there. Theodore sticks out like a sore thumb, I mean he was awesome and everything, but he won’t go down as one of the greats.
Also make me laugh that Thornton was traded during the year he won it.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Apr 7, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
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Looking at his numbers/Montreal that year they weren’t even that great. Surely someone meant more to their team that year.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Apr 7, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Bret Johnson, Byron Dafoe, and Biron all had more wins that season than Theodore.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Apr 7, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
His save percentage that year was the best save percentage ever achieved (at that time) by a guy not named Hasek )3rd best. In 67 GP.
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Besides Roy a 0.925, his 0.931 was miles ahead of everyone. Number 3 was 0.921
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Ah, right but it’s not the Save % award.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Apr 7, 2011 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, but Ws are a team thing. GAA are a team thing too. S% is the most individual measurement of a Goalies achievements
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Right, but again his name is the only one on that list that requires an explanation. In 20 years people will be all: Who the hell was Jose Theodore?
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Apr 7, 2011 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Meh. I think they see 0.931 and say “Oh a goalie who had a crazy good year”.
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YOU GET WHAT I’M TRYING TO SAY GODDAMMIT.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Apr 7, 2011 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
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by Chemmy on Apr 7, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
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Bozak joins Sittler as the only 2 Leafs ever to score on a three on five disadvantage.
Is this true? Holy shit. I guess that shit just never happens.
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I smacked my table and got out of my seat. It was awesome.
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One of the radio announcers last night said it was the first time it had been done by a Leaf since 1998. Not sure if the radio guy or Leafs’ PR guy is wrong.
by Draglikepull on Apr 7, 2011 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
via mirtle
mirtle James Mirtle
Kris Versteeg has only eight points in 25 games with the Flyers. Not great return on first-rounder so far.
good riddance , I knew that deal was a steal. now, will he show up in the playoffs or not?
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Deal wasn’t a steal. 24 year olds who consistently score 20 goals don’t come around every day. He’s never scored less than 43 points in a season. The odds of a late first round pick turning into a player of Versteeg’s quality are very low.
Pretty much. Our best bet would be to flip the picks for more tangible assets.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Apr 7, 2011 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Counterpoint: he wasn’t doing it for the Leafs. A 1st and 3rd are assets that could or be turned into someone who could.
List of players who have done it since 1990-91. 147 have done it twice or more. Some impressive names on that list, but also some very mediocre ones.
I like the trade. I didn’t like Versteegs style of play, and if he continues the way he’s been playing for Philly, the trade IS a steal. But the likelihood of that is extremely low, He’ll probably settle in as a second liner that gets special teams time.
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86 have done it three times or more in that time span, as Versteeg has. That works out to 4-5 per draft year. That’s actually a pretty select group.
Adam Foote's retiring
http://www.denverpost.com/recommended/ci_17792348
apparently the last of the nordiques
Owen Nolan is still active, no?
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Apr 7, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
in related news
the last three active Winnipeg Jets are Shane Doan, Teemu Selanne, and Kris Draper.
On the Mike Weber bandwagon!
Down Goes Brown: With Ryan Miller out, every Leaf fan in a hockey pool is picking up Jhonas Enroth right now for tonight's inevitable 60-save shutout...
Modano is the last North star
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by JaredFromLondon on Apr 7, 2011 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
who is also one of the last 2 80s players, the other is recchi
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by JaredFromLondon on Apr 7, 2011 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I heard something like Modano and Recchi are 2 of the last 3 players in any pro sports league in NA who played in the 80’s. Not sure if its completley true or not but thats pretty impressive
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I think Jamie Moyers isn’t technically retired, but he’s currently out of contract while recovering from surgery.
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Correction:
the last three four active Winnipeg Jets are Shane Doan, Teemu Selanne, Kris Draper, and Nikolai Khabibulin.
I forget about goalies sometimes.
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Down Goes Brown: With Ryan Miller out, every Leaf fan in a hockey pool is picking up Jhonas Enroth right now for tonight's inevitable 60-save shutout...
So now Luke Schenn carries on
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by happiergilmore on Apr 7, 2011 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions
So Torres got 4 games for his hit on Eberle.
Agree? DIsagree?
I think 4 is a good number. The last 2 regular season games are meaningless
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Yeah, Cauncks fans are bitching because “it’s really 6 games on account of playoffs games being worth 2 regulars”, but the 2 regulars don’t mean shit so who cares if he misses. It’s essentially just 4 regular season games, paid in 2 playoff games.
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Pretty much.
Go to nucks misconduct. They think it was a clean hit. Poppycock (thanks Jared)
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Glad they suspended him player is in a vulnerable position and Torres targets the head, open and shut.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Apr 7, 2011 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I wouldnt say it was a clean hit, but i can see what some are getting at, Eberle did the whole duck while reaching thing, if he’d been upright it would have been clean
but Torres has to be paying better attention and let up
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by JaredFromLondon on Apr 7, 2011 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
That's my view on it too
And I don’t think it was worth 4. Heatley got 2, Marchand got 2 and would say those were way more targeted than what Torres did.
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That’s a fair criticism. It’s a suspension worthy offense however the last two regular season games for the Nucks are meaningless, so the 2 playoff ones help set a tone. Or they’re just making it up as they go.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Apr 7, 2011 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
So it's the Canucks fault
That they clinched everything too soon so that the last 2 games are meaningless?
I’m pissed because this got 0 games.
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Not their fault no, but suspending him for those games would have been meaningless.
Clifford should have been suspended for sure. Hadn’t seen that.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Apr 7, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s come to the point where I can understand fans for being upset their players get suspended because the NHL’s discipline system is such a joke. If there was consistency it wouldn’t be an issue.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Apr 7, 2011 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I love the way Tanev looks, sees CLifford and then tries to reverse at the last second.
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So you're saying it's his fault?
But Eberle isn’t to blame for leading with his head?
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Gimme a break.
Torres didn’t even attempt to play the puck on that play. Show me where he goes for the loose puck. Torres knew what he was doing. If he had suspended him 2 games, he may have well just fined him.
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or here
or here
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The plays are similar in that both involved players in vulnerable positions. I think the onus is on both players but guys need to let up. That being said Torres’ was much worse as like you said, he’s not trying to play the puck.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Apr 7, 2011 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I said I didn't like the Raffi hit
And that is the reason why, that he didn’t try to play the puck.
But if Eberle doesn’t lean and reach out at the last second, no one’s having this discussion.
So you can’t go saying it’s all Tanev’s fault why absolving Eberle completely
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why = while
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I agree Eberle shouldn’t have leaned in. However it was still a predatory hit. A dirty one.
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Vinay's end of season interview with Brian Burke
http://thestar.blogs.com/leafsfan/2011/04/end-of-season-interview-with-brian-burke.html
Nothing earth-shattering, just straight to the point Burke.
Reffering to our #1/#2C position:
“Do I regret not getting a center? I haven’t been offered one at a price that makes sense. I can overpay and get a center. Would I like to have one? Yes. That’s different than do I regret not getting one.”
The real issue, he says, has been negotiating power.
“What did we have to give up before this spring? We had no firsts. We had no Joe Colborne, no Jake Gardiner. What did we have to offer teams? I could have traded Kulemin for a center. But then we lose a Top 6 forward.”
Reffering to the first two rounds of the upcoming draft:
“We want to pick at least twice,” says Burke. “So if we can package two of those picks to move up, we would do it. But we’re not going to package three of them to move up. We want to pick twice.”
You can't give up hope just because it's hopeless. You have to hope even harder, cover your ears, and go 'blah blah blah blah blah!'
Love the photo of Burke accompanying the story. Plus he’s wearing a tie!
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by T is for Truculence on Apr 7, 2011 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Interesting.
This is where a witty signature might go.
This is where a witty signature might go on drugs.
its official, the leafs are going to move up and pick first over all
thats how misquoting burke works right?
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by JaredFromLondon on Apr 7, 2011 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
TAVARES!!! RNH!!
You can't give up hope just because it's hopeless. You have to hope even harder, cover your ears, and go 'blah blah blah blah blah!'
Dude has a terrible name he’ll never amount to anything.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Apr 7, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m also calling him Nugget from now on.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Apr 7, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions
im just going to call him ted
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by JaredFromLondon on Apr 7, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Nugget = terd ferguson?
just a suggestion if OTT wins the lottery
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Terd Ferguson, that’s a funny name.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Apr 7, 2011 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions
and we get to freak out and say he’s a failure because he didn’t. Setting the team back 10 years! time to blow it up and start over again.
by Nigel Cadbury on Apr 7, 2011 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I like everything he just said.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Apr 7, 2011 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Don’t know if anyone here has it, but the Frozen Four is on LeafsTV! Great hockey, I love NCAA hockey. Team Frattin is on tonight at 8 30 for those interested.
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And Minn-Duluth/Notre Dame are playing right now. 2-2 partway through first.
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by happiergilmore on Apr 7, 2011 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions
1-0 Michigan over UND after the 1st.
Scored by Ben Winnett…. recognize the name? I knew it sounded familiar.
Leafs 4th round draft pick from 2007.
You can't give up hope just because it's hopeless. You have to hope even harder, cover your ears, and go 'blah blah blah blah blah!'
i dont think he’s leafs property anymore
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by JaredFromLondon on Apr 7, 2011 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Greg McKegg's contract details up on capgeek
Now that’s decent.
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What’s the deposit on that keg?
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Apr 7, 2011 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I like how he's continuing the 69 theme though with his cap hit.
Greg McKegg #69 will sell soooooo many jerseys.
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UND loses 2-0. Soooooooo, now we sign Frattin?
#FrattinForHobey
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