Giguere Hopes To Return
by JP Nikota on Jun 2, 2011 7:01 AM EDT
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PrintAlthough this is not the first time he's made these sentiments known, Jean-Sebastien Giguere recently told Chris Johnston that he'd like to return in some kind of backup/mentoring capacity next season for the Leafs.
"I would love to, but I don't know what the management have in mind," said Giguere. "I feel like I could be a good fit in Toronto working with (James Reimer). It's going to be a tough season for him next year having that pressure of coming back to Toronto. We all know that all the journalists when we go back to camp are going to be after him — asking him questions and stuff like that.
"I think I can be helpful to him. I have no doubt that he can handle it himself, but I think a veteran presence might help him a little bit."
I guess I wouldn't mind bringing him back as some sort of mentor/coach, but if he intends to play, I don't think this is a fit.
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looks awesome man. I’d be pretty excited if they went with that.
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Icethetics has a lot of good concepts for the Jets
My favourite one:
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But isn’t that the much maligned F35? Do you want all of Canada to hate the new Jets?
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ah but true north could get some federal money to expand the arena if the adopt that logo , eh? wink wink nudge budge
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$35 billion dollars to buy new jets
If only Harper knew he could get them for $110 million, would have saved so much money…
by Learn2Leaf on Jun 2, 2011 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Redesign the jet to look like the Avro Arrow.
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I am for this.
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Kick in the 'nads to the government?
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Doesn’t ANYBODY have a jet anymore?
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 2, 2011 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, that’s probably in bad taste.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 2, 2011 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Ha ha, don’t worry about it.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 2, 2011 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
The only thing I really like about Tanguay
is his remarkable ability to have a gravity-defying 18.8% career shooting %. Unbelievable.
http://www.hockey-reference.com/players/t/tangual01.html
He’s also stayed pretty damn healthy, and is only 31. That being said, I don’t see him wanting to come to Toronto.
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I would love to have tanguay, and didn’t realize he was only 31. Perfect scoring winger, you can never have enough, as long as you have people who can play defense too
Where would Tanguay play? MGK is fine. Lupul is probably a better guy to play wing with Kessel and our mystery unicorn. So Tanguay on the 3rd line? Probably not a very good fit.
I think it would be if there is no unicorn and maybe we would move Kadri back to centre or something. Or if the unicorn is more of a goal scorer coughCartercough having a passing winger instead of Lupul would make sense.
Komisarek gets 5 million as a 3rd pair defenseman
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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
I get that it’s a bit embarrassing for the GM to have high salary players on the fringe of your roster… but other than that does it matter where people are slotted in the lineup? You arrange the roster in a way that helps you win hockey games.
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It’s also about cap management. If you’ve got $7 million tied up in your 3rd line wingers, you’re not going to have enough money to spend on top quality talent elsewhere.
by Draglikepull on Jun 2, 2011 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions
True. Definitely not in the sign Tanguay camp. For me it has to be 1C or bust, no more wingers. We’ve got to work Kadri into the fold this year, most likely on the 3rd line wing with PP time. Signing another winger means there’s no room for him on the top 3 lines.
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if we get Carter
then we don’t need Tanguay… Tanguay isn’t a logical fit at all.
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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
I don’t really see how Carter and Tanguay are in any way similar players that would make for redundancy.
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because
if we add a scoring C we don’t need another scoring winger to provide offense?
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by Steve Burtch on Jun 2, 2011 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
We have
5 guys that are legit top 6 forwards… we also have Kadri and Colborne waiting in the wings… if we add Carter, I don’t see the need to add ANOTHER offensively inclined winger at the expense of the further development of the wingers we have who are all far younger than Tanguay.
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by Steve Burtch on Jun 2, 2011 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Because Carter and Kessel are both goal scorers while Tanguay gets the majority of his points through assists? He’d be the playmaker on the line
Ideally
It would allow us to create a true sheltered scoring line.
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We are assuming there are no trades? If we are looking to pick up our unicorn there will likely be trades. Who knows what goes out/comes in.
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If we get our Unicorn and Colborne becomes a top 9 NHLer then Bozak does end up as our 4th C. Thats just part of developing youth. I am not concerned about that though. The best player will win out. One (or more) may not be around anymore.
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If talent like him is available for just money, you take it and you find room for him.
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Not necessarily. The Leafs need room for guys like Kadri to develop, plus there’s no point in pushing a guy like Lupul down the line-up so that you’re essentially just wasting money on him.
Do we actually need
another scoring winger? We had two 30 goal wingers last season already.
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three
if you include Lupul’s actual ability to potentially put up 30.
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I think Lupul is probably more likely to hover around 25, but that’s still more than I’d expect from Tanguay.
by Draglikepull on Jun 2, 2011 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Lupul will likely only get 25 on the basis
of his playing time, but he COULD score 30… he has the ability… I doubt he does… but it’s possible.
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by Steve Burtch on Jun 2, 2011 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions
His 82 game pace using only his games with the Leafs last year was 26, which is consistent with what he got the last time he played a full season (25).
by Draglikepull on Jun 2, 2011 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions
right
I’m just saying if he has a high shooting percentage and a good healthy season, 30 isn’t beyond the realm of possibility.
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by Steve Burtch on Jun 2, 2011 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Fair enough. And I agree that we’re fine on the wing. Unless, of course, we trade someone like Macarthur or Kulemin in a deal to bring in a unicorn.
by Draglikepull on Jun 2, 2011 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions
this is true
and that would change things… but without that imaginary trade I see no reason to add a player like Tanguay.
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by Steve Burtch on Jun 2, 2011 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions
he shot
15.2% in Anaheim two years ago… he could do that again… and fire 200+ shots.
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by Steve Burtch on Jun 2, 2011 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions
At the very least I think he’d consider Toronto a better option than Calgary. But as for testing the open market, I don’t think he lands here.
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He’s put up some of his best numbers while in CGY, other than the horrendous cap situation, I could see him wanting to stay.
Crazy would be NOT overanalyzing everything.
If you ignore 2 years ago as an abberation he is like a top 30 winger.
Even with last year he’s 24th in points per game for a winger who is still playing (26th total) since the lockout with a 0.83.
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If the cap really is going up to 63.5M and we don’t sign Brad Richards (which seems the most likely situation) we have a shit-ton of cash to play with.
1-2 years, have some moneys, come be a Leaf.
Crazy would be NOT overanalyzing everything.
I think Tanguay would want 3 minimum. Would you give him 12 for 3 years?
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Bah I’m no good at putting $ values, also I’m like 90% confident he wont come here, so im not putting any mental energy into it.
Crazy would be NOT overanalyzing everything.
$4 million a year for 3 years? No way. He made $1.7 million last year and $2.5 million the year before. He had 3 very good years in his mid-20s, but he’s not an impact player any more. And, again, you’d just be wasting money on Lupul at that point. Why push Lupul down the lineup and maybe lose 10 goals and 20 points from him? The Leafs aren’t a contending team, there’s no point spending big money on UFA’s who are going to be in their twilight years by the time we’re really competitive.
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Could the Canucks be bigger Heels? Seriously, they are legitimately talented but they dive, complain, and do shit like bite people. Infuriating.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 2, 2011 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Bruins aren't angels
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Didn’t say there were, obvious bias is obvious. (In both respects)
You have to admit that watching your Captain go down like he was shot after a cross-check in a scrum is somewhat embarrassing.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 2, 2011 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Wasn't arguing otherwise
It was.
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
"You can't come in my kitchen, kick my dog, and take a box full of ballpoints! Your ass must be crazy!"
I don’t like either of these teams.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 2, 2011 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
It’s true. You would think Burrows’ heads were actually the hippos’. A seamless transition.
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So, he’s getting suspended, right?
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 2, 2011 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions
It’ll give us all something to chew on, though.
by Draglikepull on Jun 2, 2011 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
Why?
The last time someone bit someone there was a 1 game suspension.
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And it keeps happening. You’d think once you suspend someone for biting, the rest of the league would get the idea – particularly in the SCF.
And it keeps happening. You’d think once you suspend someone forbitinghitting from behind, the rest of the league would get the idea
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I think biting is a bit more cut and dry, seeing as under no circumstances do they allow biting. Hell, Mike Tyson should have been example enough for hockey.
I know, there’s just a lot of things they suspend for that people keep doing
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Did anyone see the commercial with Caputi and Zigomanis during the game last night? I’m sure they’re raking in the dough from Cheetah Power Surge endorsements.
I find something unsettling about the guy who makes that.
it got even worse when I found out he buys airtime on CHCH and makes his own talk show
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by CanadianMaple09 on Jun 2, 2011 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Assuming Frank D’Angelo the “beverage entrepreneur” and Frank D’Angelo the rapist are the same guy, then yeah.
they are, he got caught with underage girls or somethin like that
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by Matt_Roberts on Jun 2, 2011 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
I would like to see gigy back next year,
but definitly if his intentions are too be the number 1, he isnt the right fit. If he is ok with being the back up and mentor to the young James Riemer then he is a great fit and i do believe it could help Riemer.
agreed, we cant over pay him id say 1 mil and definitly not a long contract 1 year 2 years at mostt.
Im pissed that giggy kept playing terrible hockey through a nagging injury, like it was somehow helping…. it was almost toskala 2.0, dont want him back unless its as a coach.
Even if his groin/hip is fully healed, I wonder how good he would be anyways
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by Matt_Roberts on Jun 2, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
as fantastic a guy as Giggy is, i’d rather have a real goalie
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 2, 2011 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Bring Giggy in as an assistant to Allaire
Send Gus to the Marlies, run 3 or just send Jussi to the Royals (yes it means Gus is down the whole year but it will be good for him).
Sign a goalie to run a tandem with Reimer. And I mean a goalie who can realistically give .910 (at least) over 40 games. Overpay that goalie if it gets him short term.
By all accounts Giguere still wants to play. If Turco can get $1.5m from the Hawks Giguere can get $1m from somebody. Frankly if the Panthers let Vokoun go I could see him heading down there like all the other near-retirement Leafs have been doing since the lockout
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If I’m looking for a place to play out the string until retirement, I’d sure as hell pick Florida over Edmonton!
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by T is for Truculence on Jun 2, 2011 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions
No Giguere.
Not as a mentor.
Not as a coach.
Certainly not as a goalie.
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Right. If Mr. Miyagi is still around, I wouldn’t want to be taking lessons from Daniel.
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Who was Reimer’s roommate on the road this year? Was it Giggy?
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by T is for Truculence on Jun 2, 2011 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Exactly. Not to be a prick, but GTFO Giguere.
Sign Theodore or someone to back up Reimer and be done with it.
A real back up who can stay healthy and play actual games when the Leafs need him to.
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by blindfolded tank driver on Jun 2, 2011 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions
So……circa 1994 Damian Rhodes? Everyone cool with that idea?
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by FiftyMissionCap on Jun 2, 2011 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d rather we run like Washington did last year and just say hey, we’ve got some young guys we’ve got confidence in, and we’re going to run with them. If it doesn’t work, we can address it through trade.
Also, let’s be honest, the Leafs obviously still want Gus around in some capacity. There’s a reason they didn’t expose him to waivers last year. So that gives us 5 young goalies. Signing a vet at this point is just a waste of potential.
I’m not really opposed to this idea either really. But if Reimer gets injured and we have to go on with Gustavsson, the Leafs could lose every game for 2 months straight.
Understandable, but if Owuya comes to play in North America next year, that’ll make 3 goalies in our system who crossed the ocean to sign with us. Those guys aren’t all playing in the minors forever.
Rynnas
and Scrivens are both ahead of Owuya… basically goalies have their chances to shine game to game… if they aren’t doing anything spectacular, then they won’t make the team.
The idea that 3 goalies from Europe is a lot is kind of misleading. A lot of teams have that many goalies in their system from across the pond.
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by Steve Burtch on Jun 2, 2011 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Ours were all signed as free agents, though, and they could have gone to play anywhere they want. I’m willing to bet part of the reason that Burke won them over was something like “See what we did with Hiller in Anaheim? That could be you with the Leafs.”
by Draglikepull on Jun 2, 2011 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions
They probably figured the Leafs had the least clear Goaltending
situation going forward, and they had a chance to work with Allaire… so I can’t say it’s all bad.
And hey even if they don’t make the NHL with the Leafs, they got to work with Allaire regularly… that counts for something.
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by Steve Burtch on Jun 2, 2011 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
How does that situation change with Giguere in net?
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It doesn’t. Giguere sucks… as does Gustavsson
Draglikepull mentioned just trying the younger guys kinda like Washington did. I just mentioned that it’s a decent idea (who knows, someone might turn out), but it’s super fucking risky.
Yeah I guess I just talked my way into it being a not-so-good idea.. haha
Why is it risky? Worst that could happen is Rynnas or Scrivens would give us the same shit goaltending that we know we’re going to get with Giguere or Gustavsson.
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True. It’s probably just risky to not sign a backup. But even Theodore or someone might shit the bed, so…
Feasible UFA goalies for next year
LECLAIRE: No, thanks. He makes Sami Salo look unbreakable.
SMITH: After THAT season with TB? Pass.
HEDBERG: Wouldn’t rule it out, but far from my first choice.
TURCO: Unless he feels like high roller betting with the suits in the Platinums, I’ll take a pass on that.
CONKLIN: Worth considering.
HARDING: Also worth considering.
THEODORE: Probably the best choice.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Jun 2, 2011 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Pretty much.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 2, 2011 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions
honestly
the idea that all of our young goalies turn out to be complete busts is a bit strange. We have one of the top goalie coaches in the world, I’d think he would be able to tell Burke and Nonis if a goalie is capable of playing well in an NHL game.
They aren’t rookies at the player development game. They wouldn’t be signing guys they have no faith in their ability to work with, and they wouldn’t just put them out there to fail.
It’s not as risky as you think.
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by Steve Burtch on Jun 2, 2011 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Well said.
So you think they should just go with Reimer, let Giggy move on, and see what happens with Rynnas, Scrivens, etc at training camp?
The big question is “See what happens with Gustavsson” at training camp. No one has seen him play an NHL game for over five and a half months, and by September it’ll be over 8. Osgood completely rebuilt his game over roughly the same time period during the lockout.
If instead, he’s been sitting on his ass for 8 months, see if we can find someone dumb enough to take on a project or waive his ass, give Scrivens and Rynnas a start each, and if they aren’t ready, sign the first thing that walks through the door.
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I highly doubt he’s been complacent about last year’s unmitigated disaster. Although he has issues with calmness in his game, he does come across as very driven. I hope he has torn his game down and is in the process of building it back up, hopefully with a bit more free reign to make the “acrobatic” saves he excels at. I wouldn’t be shocked to see him bounce back.
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I suppose by “he’s been sitting on his ass,” I meant “if he fails to become an NHL-quality backup over 8 months.”
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Right. At this point, especially if we burn a pair of late-draft picks on goalies (as Burke – or was it Allaire? – hinted at), we’ll have built a deep enough goalie prospect pool that league-average should shake out eventually, if not better. And we didn’t burn major assets to do it.
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Right. We have four goalies in our system who were all sought after as free agents by other teams, they’re not just random late round draft picks. As long as just one of those guys pans out (plus decent goaltending from Reimer) we’ll be fine. I say we go into camp with Reimer as our #1, and let Rynnas, Scrivens, and Gus battle it out for the backup spot. Then put the other two guys in the AHL and if/when a goalie gets hurt or plays poorly, call up the next guy on the depth chart.
by Draglikepull on Jun 2, 2011 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions
It’s risky compared to having proven NHL guys.
It’s not risky because we know Gustavsson and Giguere are both sieves.
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Rynnas and Scrivens.
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I don’t care in a sense that I’m broken up about his retiring, but he seemed like one of the few genuinely nice guys in the NBA and I found him to be pretty funny and good natured.
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By all accounts one of the few good guys in the NBA.
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Up there with Steve Nash. Grant Hill sounds like an all right dude too. Something about the Phoenix Suns organisation . . .
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It’s tough because he lost time at a pretty critical point in his career, have to think if he was healthy he would have gotten a shot with the big club this past season.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 2, 2011 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions
He’s an RFA and needs a deal, what do the Leafs do?
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I agree with the John Mitchell approach. He has played less NHL time than Mitchell had and hasn’t torn down the AHL, I’d rather risk losing him for nothing than overpaying just to keep him.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 2, 2011 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions
One of the rare lose-lose trades. Would we have been better off holding on to Poni?
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by T is for Truculence on Jun 2, 2011 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions
We would’ve been best off with the 2nd and 4th Burke said he was offered… from Nashville I believe
It would’ve been Curtis Hamilton and Bill Arnold if I do my googling correctly.
It goes to Burke’s school of thought that he’d rather own known commodities than picks. Of course with a pick you have the control of deciding what commodity you end up with. Double-edged sword.
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by T is for Truculence on Jun 2, 2011 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
We could skip a step and just trade him to the Rangers. He’s probably fine on a two way contract for the Marlies though.
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by blindfolded tank driver on Jun 2, 2011 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Also true.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 2, 2011 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions
John Mitchell had played 133 NHL games by the time the Leafs (essentially) gave up on him last year and didn’t qualify him. Prior to that he’d played over 200 games in the AHL. Caputi’s playedway less AHL games and 35 NHL games spread over several seasons. A majory injury this year threw him off. I say qualify him. It’s way too early to give up.
by Draglikepull on Jun 2, 2011 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Bingo!
He also sat in the press box for a ridiculous amount of time instead of playing in the AHL.
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I can’t trust your opinion due to your bias.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 2, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
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Exactly, could we at least call them the Pizanos or something?
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 2, 2011 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions
really?
critical? I mean it’s not like losing time to injury is ever a good thing, but he’s still pretty young.
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by Steve Burtch on Jun 2, 2011 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Wrong word, just meant that he probably would have had the opportunity to see more time with the Leafs near the end of the season if he was not injured. If the Leafs end up walking away from him I’d say it would have been at a critical time. With full knowledge it would be assigning a narrative.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 2, 2011 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
think the problem
with using NHL equivalencies is that they completely ignore playing situation, team, etc. They’re just averages based on age as you said.
A lot of teams force younger players to play 3rd or 4th line minutes before giving them a shot in the top 2 lines. Not sure that’s the role Caputi would be given, but even if he were on the team as a grinder, maybe we shouldn’t have goal scoring aspirations for the kid.
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by Steve Burtch on Jun 2, 2011 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Like Chemmy said, does he have the skill set for that?
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 2, 2011 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
his skating
isn’t great… that’s my main concern… he has a weird bow legged stride, and doesn’t seem to me to be quick enough to get in on the forecheck.
I just don’t know if he’ll pan out long term unless his skating gets better. If he can turn into a Tomas Holmstrom clone, I’d be fine with that, but I’m not sure we can guess he’ll ever turn into that.
The other thing to remember is, Holmstrom is he didn’t reach his career high in points until he was 33… when he was in his 20’s he didn’t hit the 40 point mark until he was 28 years old.
If Caputi was a 35 point winger in his 20’s he wouldn’t be far off from Holmstrom.
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by Steve Burtch on Jun 2, 2011 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions
If Caputi was a 35 point winger in his 20’s he wouldn’t be far off from Holmstrom.
Practically the next Holmstrom as I see it. Too bad Caputi wasn’t blessed with being born a Swede or he’d be a Olympian for sure.
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Holmstrom
didn’t even hit 20 goals until he was 30 years old… I’m confused by how many people think Holmstrom is some sort of imposing force of nature because he stands in front of the net, but if Caputi can do that, I’d be fine with that.
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by Steve Burtch on Jun 2, 2011 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
He can tip shots!
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 2, 2011 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions
So you’re saying we should follow the Detroit model and leave him in the AHL for extended periods of time until he forces his way onto the team?
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 2, 2011 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
no
Tomas Holmstrom never played in the AHL.
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by Steve Burtch on Jun 2, 2011 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Is your source reliable on that.
He plays for the Wings.
He is a “good” player.
Therefore he must have spent significant time in the AHL.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 2, 2011 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
All of detriots good players played in the SEL.
On the Mike Weber bandwagon!
Sabres took the scenic route, but they still MADE IT TO THE PLAYOFFS!!!1
That doesn’t sound right.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 2, 2011 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
If your swedish you played in the SEL. If your Canadian you played in the AHL. Its simple. All other players walked in the front door and they had nothing to do with development
Does Mike Gillis know about this?
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 2, 2011 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Half their roster is European. Though you’re correct. I thought Fillpula played in the SEL but he did not so that only leaves like 8 players on their roster that did.
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Sabres took the scenic route, but they still MADE IT TO THE PLAYOFFS!!!1
/sigh.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 2, 2011 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
So what you’re saying is that Gus/Owuya are going to turn us into the next Red Wings?
by Draglikepull on Jun 2, 2011 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
don't forget
Gunnarsson, Olden, Granberg, Brodin… all SEL players.
Gunnarsson = Linkoping
Olden = MODO
Granberg = Skelleftea
Brodin = Djugardens
Adding in Owuya and Gustavsson is less relevant to me.
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by Steve Burtch on Jun 2, 2011 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions
The evidence is irrefutable – we’re the new Red Wings! Someone block off Yonge St. permanently so we can run all our parades down it.
by Draglikepull on Jun 2, 2011 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions
well that's what
Gillis did… he’s got the Sedin twins, Edler, Hansen, Samuelsson… obviously having the best Swedish players in the world at any given time is key to winning championships.
Detroit = Lidstrom, Zetterberg, Franzen, Holmstrom, etc.
Vancouver = Sedin Twins, Edler, Samuelsson (formerly Ohlund and Naslund)
Colorado = Forsberg… and well Forsberg was just really fucking awesome.
Toronto = Hot Carl Gunnarsson future Norris trophy winner + Mark in the Park Owuya + Jonas “Monster” Gustavsson + Sondre “I was born in Norway so I’m not actually Swedish but neither was Anze Kopitar and look how it worked for him” aka Golden Olden…
yeah we’re great at this point… from a nickname perspective at least.
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by Steve Burtch on Jun 2, 2011 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Golden Olden. I like that
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by happiergilmore on Jun 2, 2011 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions
it was either that
or Molson Olden… but I didn’t like the habs link.
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by Steve Burtch on Jun 2, 2011 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Olden Retriever… Olden Girls?
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by happiergilmore on Jun 2, 2011 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Hot Carl Gunnarsson
Someone is going to be looking for porn and be so disappointed to find this site.
by Draglikepull on Jun 2, 2011 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions
How do you think I got here in the first place?
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by happiergilmore on Jun 2, 2011 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Not to mention, the whole Colboner thing probably won’t help.
And anyone with a Wookie fetish or Caveman fetish may be mislead also..
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by happiergilmore on Jun 2, 2011 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I just think
shortening it to Hot Carl is a good idea… I’m totally writing an analysis posting with that headline at some point this season.
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by Steve Burtch on Jun 2, 2011 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions
HockeysFuture on Caputi
In their Marlies season review
There isn’t much to report on Luca Caputi due to a season-ending sports hernia that limited him to 13 AHL games. He started the year strong with the Maple Leafs in camp, but a numbers game saw him start the year with the Marlies. In his first six games with the Marlies, Caputi only managed to record one goal and one assist.
In late October he was recalled by the Maple Leafs for a seven game stint, but failed to make a strong enough impact. In late November he was re-assigned to the Marlies, but only managed to squeeze in five games before succumbing to a lower body-injury. He attempted to make a comeback in mid-March, but it only lasted two games and he was shutdown for the remainder of the season. He finished the year with one goal and five assists in 13 games.
The 22-year-old Caputi is still young enough to make a name for himself in the NHL, but his injury problems this year have affected his development. He’s up for contract renewal this summer, and should be re-signed.
We probably won’t know what we have in Caputi until we see him play some games uninjured. And for that, he should be QO’d at least.
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Ouch
telling Feaster he thought young players didn’t get a chance in Calgary — a horrible reputation to tag a franchise with.
http://www.calgarysun.com/2011/06/02/no-deal—big-deal-for-flames
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Yesterday must have been especially tough for Flames fans.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 2, 2011 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
("That’s a long way to go for lunch, albeit a tasty lunch," joked Feaster.)
At least someone got fed.
by Leaf in Habland on Jun 2, 2011 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Quotes like these make me think he encourages the fat jokes
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by T is for Truculence on Jun 2, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
this is actually
directly related to the point I made above… if young players jump up into a role where they get minimal minutes and no PP time, they aren’t going to put up points.
So using equivalencies can skew things a tad.
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by Steve Burtch on Jun 2, 2011 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Erixon was worried that with the cap issues and the no-movement clauses in the contracts signed by defencemen Robyn Regehr, Jay Bouwmeester, Mark Giordano and Cory Sarich, he would’ve been odd-man out.
Yikes.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 2, 2011 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Smart kid.
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That’s just unacceptable. 4 of your 6 d-men have no-move clauses? In what world are these guys so incredibly valuable that you preemptively decide that moving any of them is essentially out of the question…
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And 3.5M in cap space
With 17 guys signed
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You obviously
don’t remember him, Adam Henrique, and Taylor Hall winning Memorial Cups.
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by Steve Burtch on Jun 2, 2011 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions
To be fair, neither does he.
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No, kidding. Not to mention Bouwmeester’s getting $6.7M, Regehr $4M, and Sarich $3.5M. $14.2M tied up in three guys who are either underachievers, overpaid, or both.
Giordano has been their best d-man in terms of, y’know, playing D and all. But he’s not I’d call ‘NMC’ good.
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Hockeydb - Tim Erixon
Born Feb 24 1991 — Portchester, NY!?!
I’m confused.
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His dad played for the Rangers at that time… so he was born mid NHL season so obviously he was born in new york
Like how Alex Steen was born in Winnipeg
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by T is for Truculence on Jun 2, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Or how Obama was born in Hawaii.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 2, 2011 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
mmhhmm and Paul and Yan Stastny were born in Quebec City but they settled in StLouis when Peter retired so that is where Paul spent most of his days
Yeah he was chillin’ out, maxin’, relaxin’ all cool and all shootin some b-ball outside of the school…
He got in one little fight and his mom got scared…
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by happiergilmore on Jun 2, 2011 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions
What’s still weirder to me is how, due to dual citizenship, one Foligno (Nick) plays for the US in IIHF tournaments, and the other (Marcus) for Canada.
Have we ever had a set of brothers play for different international teams?
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Late answer on this one, but yes: In the 2002 Olympics, Robert and Martin Reichel played for the Czech Republic and Germany, respectively. And, more interestingly, Czechoslovakia’s Frantisek Tikal ended the 1960 Olympics for his estranged twin brother, Zdenek “Steve” Tikal, a defector then playing for Australia, with a hit that separated his shoulder.
http://internationalhockeylegends.blogspot.com/2009/05/frantisek-tikal.html
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by WizardofNaz on Jun 2, 2011 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Just got this from my gf -
Burky’s no trade list
Reimer, Phaneuf, Aulie (FYI)
..she was at some event this morning where Burke was speaking. I guess he either mentioned it or she got a chance to talk to him.
You’re thinking about it the wrong way. Burke literally means he won’t trade his captain, #1 goaltender and the Wookie and that’s it. Everyone else can be traded… teams just may not like the asking price.
Ray Shero: Hey, Brian, I heard you weren’t opposed to trading Luke Schenn. We’d like to make a deal.
Burke: OK… I’ll take Crosby, Johnson, that McNiell kid and your first rounder.
Shero: Uh, wut?
Burke: I’ll toss you back Caputi to sweeten the deal.
Shero: You’re insane!
Burke: You’re right… let’s just make it Crosby and Staal and you got a deal.
Hmm… if the Canadiens ever wanted to trade us Carey Price for Keith Aulie, I’m thinking he’d pull the trigger
If the Canadiens organization wanted to ensure the destruction of downtown Montreal they would make that deal
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by Matt_Roberts on Jun 2, 2011 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
What are you talking about? You just have to wait until the preseason when the fans think he’s terrible, make the deal and laugh.
its too late, Price got the people back on his side in Montreal this year.
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by Matt_Roberts on Jun 2, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
sweet. let’s move Schenn for a #1 C then
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 2, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
YAYYYYYYYY
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MINIATURE FLAGS FOR EVERYONE!? YAYYYY
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by CanadianMaple09 on Jun 2, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Some lawyer-y thing where Burke was a guest speaker. He mentioned he has sued the media twice and that he had fun doing it :)
I wonder is him “suing the media twice” had anything to do with the dismissal of Berger? We all know he sucked but getting sued and maybe even losing that lawsuit might make one’s boss fire your ass if in fact it was your actions that caused you being sued.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 2, 2011 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Its a bit of a running joke.
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Love a good meme.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 2, 2011 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions
And Giguere’s first mentorish thing to do would be to retire
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If Dion Phaneuf ever dives to the ice like “captain” Henrik did last night when Ference tapped him, I’ll lose all respect. Luckily, that would never happen.
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if you’re gonna build a stupid image to try and troll us, at least put all the words in it. Also, try and make it funny instead of looking like it was made by an 8 year old flames fan.
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"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
"You can't come in my kitchen, kick my dog, and take a box full of ballpoints! Your ass must be crazy!"
Gotta love the whole “allegedly” “was asking for it” “Burrows had no choice” “don’t put your fingers there if you don’t want to be bit” crew. Seriously people, are you all that dense and stupid?
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The correct answer is “Don’t bite someone unless you want to be in the pressbox next game.”
Plus he’s a french-canadian dirtbag anyway, so we can easily assume he did it on purpose. /stereotyped.
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to be fair
it was french canadian on french canadian… so it sort of cancels itself out.
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by Steve Burtch on Jun 2, 2011 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah but Bergeron’s not a total prick
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by happiergilmore on Jun 2, 2011 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions
they’d lynch Bergeron if it was the other way around.
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by blindfolded tank driver on Jun 2, 2011 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Well
It’s really only one
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
"You can't come in my kitchen, kick my dog, and take a box full of ballpoints! Your ass must be crazy!"
Now they’ve resorted to the “Lol Laffs aren’t in the playoffs lol” approach. No sense of humor from Vancouver fans.
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Hey now, some of us do
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
"You can't come in my kitchen, kick my dog, and take a box full of ballpoints! Your ass must be crazy!"
Fucking eastern bias
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
"You can't come in my kitchen, kick my dog, and take a box full of ballpoints! Your ass must be crazy!"
Naw, I like you. Just never had much patience for people who can’t take a little ribbing every now and then.
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People get too stressed out about ribbings. Better for your heart if you just laugh it off and don’t get worked up over it
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I’m nearly 100% positive that none of the guys at NM is actually Alex Burrows, related to him, or dating him. So why so defensive about it?
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You insult a player on the sporting team from my area?
I kill you
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by FiftyMissionCap on Jun 2, 2011 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions
That was supposed to be sarcasm tags as well
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
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all i evr hear bout on tha teevee is yankees an bowsox, mebbe ill pick the dodgars or the marners… is a east coast bias u no
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i liked the guy’s spazzing on PPP last night
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 2, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
If it’s the same guy I’m thinking of, dude was/is an idiot. I accused him of “jerking off his own ego,” he said “no one said anything about jerking off.”
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things people don’t realize, that despite his cuddly exterior PPP can be a stone cold troller
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 2, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Woooo Mark Pysyk
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So Christian Hanson is an RFA this summer. And 25. Re-sign him for the Marlies’ second line center? Trade rights for little to nothing?
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Let him walk off into
obscurity.the ECHL
though its the same thing really.
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He should play for the Toledo Walleye. Then I can heckle him when I go home and watch games during the holidays.
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people could do that here, if people went to Marlies games.
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by blindfolded tank driver on Jun 2, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I say he is worth an SPC. I still have faith he can turn into a cheap bottom 6-er with size.
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why is 25 year old
christian hanson expected to be useless…?
He’s played 42 NHL games with 9 points in limited minutes on the 3rd/4th line.
He’s decent in the faceoff circle, he skates well, he has good size… he’s a prototypical 3rd/4th line checker.
The Leafs put Tim Brent and Darryl Boyce in the NHL full time for the first time last year at the age of 26.
Are we sincerely assuming Hanson will never improve enough to make the NHL?
Boyce’s best season in the AHL saw him only post 0.59 ppg and that was when he was 23… his ppg totals actually dropped in the AHL, and he only posted 0.48 ppg this year prior to his promotion.
Point production isn’t the only relevant part to player development in the AHL.
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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jun 2, 2011 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Not enough tin foil fists.
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jun 2, 2011 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions
WELL YOU WERE ALWAYS VERY FRIENDLY, SO YOU’VE GOT THAT
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No supplemental discipline for Burrows. Per Bruce Arthur, "Mike Murphy: “I can find no conclusive evidence that Alex Burrows intentionally bit the finger of Patrice Bergeron.”"
What a joke.
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I didn’t know it mattered if it was intentional.
Hopefully Shanny will fix everything.
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They are going with the “if you put your fingers in someone’s mouth, you may get bitten you may just cut yourself on their teeth. we can’t tell”
I’m a little sorry that Burrows didn’t go with this defense:
We were face washing each other and I started to call him a F%&#@ #%( #*%@ and suddenly, there was a finger in there as my mouth was moving. You can’t expect me to be responsible for that.
I couldn’t dive, so I panicked and bit down.
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jun 2, 2011 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Since when are we judging penalties and discipline in hockey upon intent?
I didn’t mean to trip the guy. I didn’t mean to break the guys stick with mine. I didn’t mean to board that guy.
It’s like that scene in Speed (yes Speed with Keanu Reeves) where the criminal on the bus thinks Keanu is coming for him, pulls a gun, and shoots Sam the bus driver. Later he says “I didn’t mean to shoot the guy.” That’s great, I’m glad your true intentions weren’t to do something bad, but guess what, you did something bad and now you have to pay for it.
Same shit, different day. But honestly, were we expecting a culture change with Mike Murphy still in charge of discipline? Shanahan doesn’t get the job until the BOG votes on it later this month so at least this blemish isn’t truly on his record, though the public will probably think it is regardless.
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True fact:
Mike Murphy is a mind reader
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
"You can't come in my kitchen, kick my dog, and take a box full of ballpoints! Your ass must be crazy!"
I watched that movie as a kid and was worried about buses having bombs on them for the longest time
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
"You can't come in my kitchen, kick my dog, and take a box full of ballpoints! Your ass must be crazy!"
My god. Look at Burrows’ glove unintentionally pushing Bergeron’s hand towards Burrows’ unintentionally open mouth. Poor, poor Burrows.
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I love
love
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
"You can't come in my kitchen, kick my dog, and take a box full of ballpoints! Your ass must be crazy!"
6. Colin Campbell downplayed the on-ice taunts son Gregory was getting as a reason for stepping away from supplemental discipline. Thought that was interesting. One of the two between-benches games I did this season was Boston/Toronto. The Maple Leafs were merciless, and they weren’t the only ones. Think any parent would feel awful about that. Gregory handled it unbelievably well.
I love this team.
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And don’t discount former Toronto GM John Ferguson, either. He has Winnipeg connections and knows Chipman well.
Did Eliot just suggest that a hockey team would let JFJ be their GM?
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John Ferguson Sr. was a GM for the Jets back in the day. They could be going for a retro thing. I also expect it won’t be too long before Paul MacLean and his fabulous moustache will be the head coach there.
Wow… I thought JF sr. was a lot older than 72.
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Interesting tidbit I just saw on Twitter
TSNBobMcKenzie Bob McKenzie
With the ownership situation in DAL not likely to be settled until later in summer, DAL will not be making contract offer to Brad Richards.
@TSNBobMcKenzie With the ownership situation in DAL not likely to be settled until later in summer, DAL will not be making contract offer to Brad Richards.
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TSNBobMcKenzie Bob McKenzie
DAL would be interested in trading exclusive neg rights before July 1, but move would require Richards to waive his NMC. No guarantees.
No playoffs.
Sad trombone.
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Dallas got 4 goals and 9 assists from Brad Richards post trade deadline. Have to assume getting a 2nd for him would have been a better move.
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Those four goals and nine assists would have been a lot more valuable if they didn’t choke their playoff spot away against the Wild.
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So that they could then make a first round exit against the Canucks instead of the Blackhawks.
The Stars weren’t going to make a cup run this year. Post lockout you either gear up at the deadline or you trade out – very few teams can hold steady and be a cup contender. Dallas chose which one they would be when they swapped out Niskanen and Neal for Goligoski, but didn’t follow through with Richards.
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Unicorn speculation +10000000000000000000000000 activate.
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Unicorn! Unicorn! Unicorn! Unicorn!
by Sonic_Screwdriver on Jun 2, 2011 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions
The last time a pending UFA had his rights traded for, it was Dan Hamhuis and he cost the Flyers Ryan Parent and the Penguins a 3rd rounder for nothing.
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It worked for Philly with Timonen and Hartnell too.
That being said, I’m not entirely on board with signing Richards at all, I absolutely do not want Burke to trade for his negotiating rights, unless doing so somehow manages to help us sign him to a $6 million, 4 year contract.
Yeap. The idea of giving up assets for a guy, then signing him to a contract that he will at some point not be able to live up to – a point which may be day 1 – is not a great one.
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anything more than a conditional 6th (IE no pick if he no sign) and I say wait till UFA
any contract over 6.5 mill 5 yearsish and walk away from Richards (open to more money shorter deal or less money longer deal though)
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 2, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Unfortunately I don’t think it’ll play out that way. Trading for rights is a pretty significant advantage so you’ll usually give up a decent piece/pick. Maybe both for a UFA of Richards’ caliber. I’m just nervous about doing so because I know I’d be enraged if we did so and then didn’t end up signing him. I say wait for July 1, step up with a legitimate offer of 7.5m over 5 years, and go from there.
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thus the walk away option, frankly I don’t think trading for his rights will influence his signing with that team at all
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 2, 2011 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Incorrect. Check McKenzie’s tweet, a couple posts up.
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Interesting thing is
You’d wonder if he’d waive the NMC for a team he didn’t want to play for.
If he doesn’t waive, you dont do the trade, know where you stand
If he does waive, means he’s probably interested in your city, might get a leg up on negotiations.
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Depends. Does he waive out of loyalty to Dallas, or does he waive out of his own interest?
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Aye, there's the rub.
I’d think the “waive out of loyalty to Dallas just to get rights traded to a city he has no intention of signing with” would be a lower probability, but I guess it exists.
Closeness to the deadline might affect that too. If it’s like, 5 hours before the deadline then it’s a risk, but like 3-4 weeks… maybe not as much. Since there’s still time to trade his rights again to a city he DOES want to play in.
Just sayin’. I dont think it’s a good idea as it sounds like he wants to test free agency anyway though.
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Dallas has put themselves up against a wall. Ask them for the right to gauge interest before you acquire his rights. Talk up NYR and LA as potential landing spots, agree to give up a 6th if he’s interested. Hope that’s better than the deal Sather’s giving them.
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New Idea
Trade them Luca Caputi for Richards’ rights.
Since there seems to be a portion of us that doesn’t think he’s worthy of an qual offer, this could be a win-win….
Of course Nieuwendyk probably wants Kadri+1st.
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Just for negotiating rights? I can’t imagine Nieuwendyk would ask for more than, say, a 2nd or 3rd round pick or a mid-tier prospect. Keep in mind that they already know they’re losing him for nothing in a few weeks.
I’m saying if indeed Leafs mgmt has no intention of qualifying Caputi, transfering his rights for a player they actually do have interest in signing would be win-win….
Nieuwendyk will probably ask for the moon right up until June 30th though.
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If there are multiple teams trying to make a deal for his rights, the Stars should canvass those teams, give them a week or so to firm up their offer, and then just take whatever’s on the table. This would not be a good time to get greedy.
Hamhuis brought back ~a 2nd. Bouwemeister cost Leopold. They get a lot.
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this portion of us
probably thinks half our prospects are useless… not sure what players we’re bringing in to replace the 23 year old prospects we think aren’t worth a SPC, but yeah… who knows… dumping prospects at 23 is a bit crazy.
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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jun 2, 2011 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions
it's only a significant
advantage if you can sign the player… if he wants something you aren’t prepared to part with, it’s a stupid proposition/risk to take.
The only way it makes sense to make a trade is if you’re willing to sign him at any cost.
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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jun 2, 2011 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't necessarily agree with this
The only way it makes sense to make a trade is if you’re willing to sign him at any cost.
There is a value in getting an early crack at him. You just have to determine what that value is and make sure you don’t trade more than that away.
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The problem continues to be that we are extremely unlikely to get a #1C out of those same assets anywhere else in the market. It makes it very hard to gauge what the value of acquiring Brad Richards would be.
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Careful though
the value of acquiring Brad Richards would be.
We are not discussing the value of acquiring Brad Richards. We are discussing the value of gaining a couple weeks of exclusive negotiating time with him, which may increase our ability to sign him. There is a difference.
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Acquiring Brad Richards, Acquiring Brad Richards’ rights. At this point, since it’s impossible for anyone to trade with the Dallas Stars and guarantee a game played by Brad Richards, I’m not sure there’s a significant enough difference to insist on it being highlighted.
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I just had someone call me a “sour douche” because I refuse to cheer for the Canucks and be happy that a “Canadian” team can win the cup.
I tried to explain to him that the team is not really “Canadian” and that real hockey fans don’t just cheer for teams for asinine reasons. I also asked him why I should cheer for the Canucks when Canucks fans would NEVER cheer for the Leafs to win a cup, same goes for the Habs, Sens, whoever.
He didn’t have an answer for that other than “you should just be happy for the city of Vancouver and that the cup might be coming back to Canada!”.
God I hate people.
Yes because the fact that the Cup lives in Canada means nothing right? I wouldn’t mind Boston winning because then an original 6 team will have one 3 of the last 4 cups which is pretty cool.
My opinion
Boston
pro
- I like Kabby and would like to see him win a cup.
- I like Timmy T and would like to see him win a cup. A guy who can’t make the league until 31 but never gives up, then goes on to pull off the best season of all time? Yeah that impresses me. Plus he has sick facial hair.
- They have a bunch of players I like (not to the same level as the previous two), in Horton, Bergeron, Chara (2nd best D-man in the league IMHO), Krecji, Recchi
- Corny
Con
- I don’t want to see someone in our division win
- I can’t even imagine the annoying shit we’ll hear about Seguin and Rask (because you know how much they did in this playoffs…)
- Boston fans have one enough in the last few years
- Every Bruins fan who is not Corny
Nucks
Pro
- Luongo. I am not a huge fan of Luongo, but I can’t stand all the people who think he is this terrible player when he really isn’t. I’d like to see him shut them all up.
- The Sedin’s. I really like them. Not as much as Timmy T or Kabby, but still a fair bit. They are disgustingly talented and while people bitch and moan that they are the “sisters” because they don’t play a power forwards game, they actually just take a fucking beating and keep going. They skate through a lot of shit.
- Edler. He is one of my favourite defenseman in the league. He is one of those quietly very good players who you don’t see/hear that much about but is really, really good.
- Semi-colon
- I called them to win over Washington in September. So it would be pretty cool if I was right as I got Chicago over Philly right last preseason
Cons
- Lapierre. Fuck him. Fuck him hard
- The rest of their diving antics. Pieces of shite
- Nucks fans not named Semi-colon. I don’t hate them as much (don’t know them particularly well) as everyone else, but still they are pretty annoying
- I don’t want to see a team who has never won, win before the leafs do again
- I don’t want to see another Canadian team win before the Leafs
Overall I have no idea… Meteor?
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by BCapp on Jun 2, 2011 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Actually I guess I’ll go with Van because I predicted them!
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radiators are awfully hot…
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by happiergilmore on Jun 2, 2011 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Not when they’re off
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
"You can't come in my kitchen, kick my dog, and take a box full of ballpoints! Your ass must be crazy!"
But the service radiators provide is heat… when a radiator is off, isn’t it useless?
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by happiergilmore on Jun 2, 2011 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I am honoured
To make someone’s Pro-list.
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"You can't come in my kitchen, kick my dog, and take a box full of ballpoints! Your ass must be crazy!"
dirty, diver, general terrible human being
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 2, 2011 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Remember: this is Maxim Lapierre, not the substantially cooler Ian Lapierre.
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LaPERierre. There is an extra syllable. He may be my favourite non-top 6 forward in the league.
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On November 27, 2009, Laperrière was hit with a slapshot in the mouth while killing a penalty at the end of the first period against the Buffalo Sabres. He sat out the second period receiving between 50 and 100 stitches but returned for the third period.
Dude has balls the size of mountains.
"Callgirl! She was a callgirl!"
"No Cyril, when they're dead, they're just hookers!"
24/02/11: I was there.
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Or is just kind of dumb. Or I guess more accurately, the team’s medical staff totally blew that one. He got a pretty serious brain injury and should never have been allowed back in the game.
Best reasoning i heard was that Boston should win because it will annoy Habs fans more than Vancouver winning.
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I am pretty much in full blown fuck Boston mode.
Fuck them because…
… They are pretty close to us and we’ll be competing a lot
… The booing of Kessel
… The USA USA USA chants (not that I care that Van is Canadian, I just think it’s a stupid chant in context)
… Because as much as it would suck to hear it from Canadian media about Vancouver, I think hearing it about Boston (Seguin!!! Rask!!!) would be worse
… Because I am good friends with Van some fans, while there is this Bruins fan I know who I dislike
… Because fuck Jack Edwards in his fucking stupid face. Seriously he is probably the biggest asshole in the Hockey Commentator world (including Milbury, Healy and Cherry). I just like the idea of Jack Edwards being sad his Bruins got destroyed in the playoffs.
… Because I think it would be great if Kabby had a brutal final, signed somewhere else, became an integral part of, say, Tampa or San Jose wining it all. Then he throws the Bruins under the bus (“they didn’t understand me” or something) and Colborne bevomes a stud, turning that trade into an epic fleecing.
I’m just watching for entertaining hockey… which, except for Thomas, didn’t happen. So:
Fuck Everybody.
Winnipeg’s NHL name to follow ticket drive
I may be reading too much into that, but I take this to mean that the name won’t be “Jets”, but they don’t want to risk messing up the enthusiasm for the ticket drive by letting people know that now.
I would bet some good money on “Manitoba Moose”
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What are you saving all the bad money for?
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by happiergilmore on Jun 2, 2011 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Bahaha
Nevermind, we’re boned
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Chris Botta
told Brad Richards’ first choice is not to sign where hockey’s life and there are a lot of reporters. He may not have that choice.
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Why doesn't he just come out and say it
Maple Leafs, don’t even fucking bother.
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A few thoughts on that
1. I think that’s more directed at Rangers fans, and given the source is an Islanders reporter I find that interesting.
2. It conflicts with Richards wanting to play in the East rumours as the teams in the East that can afford him all care about hockey (unless he wants to be a Panther)
3. Might make L.A. his best option if the playing in the East rumours are false.
4. If he wants to play for a team where no one cares about hockey, fuck him.
I don’t see LA being interested anymore. Kopitar, Schenn, Stoll down the middle seems pretty solid.
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Uhhh
@The4thPeriodDB
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Brian Burke on @NHLLive states he is unsure if NHL will allow teams to trade for pending UFA rights (i.e. Brad Richards)
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Uh weird...
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He said now, looking from clarity from NHL. RT @TStivali: @The4thPeriodDB In the next CBA? Or effective immediately?
@TStivali Burke said NHL concerned about teams ‘jumping in front of queue’ for pending UFA.
Isn’t that the point?
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If Burke is trying to get Sather to overpay for Richards, he’s a genius. This reeks of targeted and intentionally leaked misinformation, especially for Burke, who normally keeps this kind of stuff completely under wraps.
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MOAR
Pierre LeBrun
Just spoke with Brad Richards regarding news that Stars won’t make him an offer before July 1. ``Obviously I have to move on,’’ Richards said. ``I had fun in Dallas and I like the city. But the (ownership) situation is unclear so I really didn’t have a chance to stay there. I will move on and look forward to the opportunity to being a free agent. I’ve never had that chance in my career. It’s a real big moment in my life to say the least.’’
Also asked Richards about waiving his no-movement clause should the Stars get a good offer. ``It would be great to try and help Dallas out if something was reasonable and made sense for both sides," said Richards. ``But we’ll see what happens. You never know what will happen. I think my mindset right now is to see how many options I have.’’
K nothing that interesting in there.
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Alright last one I'm out
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Mitch Gallo
Pierre Mcguire says he’d be shocked, shocked, if Brad Richards doesn’t end up with the New York Rangers.
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I'd be doing my username a grave discredit if I didn't post this
(okay so yeah it’s a different movie but what-the-fucking-ev someone referenced Speed earlier)
Whaa???
RT @incarceratedbob: I have confirmed that the Leafs are close to acquiring the rights to center Brad Richards – Still not done but close
But Bob formerly of prison, I thought Carter was 90 percent certain to be going to the Leafs?
@HockeyBreak:The Toronto Maple #Leafs have a trade in place to acquire Dallas #Stars centre, Brad Richards rights. The deal would occur draft day June 24
Your thoughts?
"WHAM WHAM...KABAM...KABAM... A DOUBLE KABAM! AND IT'S A DOUBLE DION!" - Vintage Pierre McGuire
Based on Burke’s comment about inquiring with the league whether trading for a UFA’s rights is acceptable, I don’t doubt he’s working on something. But what good would it do either the Stars of the Leafs to wait three weeks if there’s a deal in place now? Sounds like one or both of them is just using the Leafs/Richards rumours to generate hits.
Yeah, that’s what I was thinking.
RT @incarceratedbob: Burke needs 2 get approval from league & for Richards to waive NTC -If he gets yes on both Richards deal done after SCF
This makes more sense however, I don’t see Burke waiting. He would want to get it done and approved so no one could back out. Chances are Burke does something we haven’t heard about ( so not Richards, Carter etc)
Just wanted some other people’s thoughts.
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you mean
like when he went to Sweden to sign the Sedins and they were signed by Vancouver so he brought back Jonas Gustavsson? That kind of something we haven’t heard about?
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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
Again, why the wait? The Leafs and Stars haven’t played a game in a while, and I really doubt the league would be like “Yeah, we’ll approve it . . . another time!”
I can’t be the only person who finds it just slightly convenient that these random Twitter “insiders” suddenly have all this “information” within hours of Mackenzie breaking the original story and yet not a single person had even mentioned it previously.
Pretty sure the roster freeze is still in effect until the finals are over.
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What about that trade that happened last week regarding an AHL player. Would that be permissible?
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by happiergilmore on Jun 2, 2011 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Well clearly it was, I mean what are the guidelines to the roster freeze
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by happiergilmore on Jun 2, 2011 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Teams have made trades lately. I was under the impression that you could make moves as long as you were out of the playoffs. I’ll look this up in the CBA.
by Draglikepull on Jun 2, 2011 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Turns out there’s nothing on trading in the CBA, and I can’t find anything online.
by Draglikepull on Jun 2, 2011 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I mean, clearly the transfer of players not on an NHL team is legal. I just can’t think of an NHL player who’s been traded between the deadline and finals. Maybe it’s just not “kosher.”
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Maybe the GM’s are taking a vacation… I mean, they don’t have time once they get to the draft and onwards really.
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by happiergilmore on Jun 2, 2011 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions
it's strongly frowned upon
to steal thunder from the SCF… it’s just considered rude.
You can make deals, just announce them when the finals are done… I don’t see who the hell it hurts either way.
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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jun 2, 2011 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, if you’re trying to negotiate a deal with someone before they hit UFA, it may matter a great deal if you’ve got a bit longer to do it.
Anyway, I wouldn’t be surprised if Burke was going to make an offer to try to lock up Richards early, but I’d be amazed if there was already a deal worked out. If Burke has offerred something, surely Nieuwendyk will canvass the other GMs and see if they’ll offer anything better.
by Draglikepull on Jun 2, 2011 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't see
why they can’t make the trade, pass it through the league offices, and negotiate on the down low without ruining the SCF.
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by Steve Burtch on Jun 2, 2011 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I mean
aside from the obvious issues around the number of people knowing.
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by Steve Burtch on Jun 2, 2011 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions
At that point, why inform the league offices? The Dallas Stars are allowed to let Richards negotiate with other teams – any, or just a select few.
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that's a good point
that works also… either way… the trade doesn’t need to be consummated until right before a signing … so yeah… this can happen without people knowing about it.
p.s. I still don’t want Brad Richards.
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by Steve Burtch on Jun 2, 2011 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions
There is a price and a term at which Brad Richards makes sense – I’d say very close to Jared’s 6.5 for 4 years. If we sign him to that contract, Brad Richards must really want to play where hockey is life.
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I think the one thing here that is tough to distinguish is the assumption he’s going to get the Kovalchuk-esque (to a lesser degree) retirement contract, and worst case scenario that’s the 8M x 8 years that Cox mentioned a few weeks ago.
I’m a Richards fanatic and even I think that’s a terrible price.
There is a massive difference between saying “I don’t want Richards for a retirement contract” and “I don’t want Richards for any price”
I also don’t think 6.5M x 4 is realistic, but I’m putting a 7M x 5 years as much low-end probability figure.
Doesn’t seem like a lot of difference, but
7M x 5 years = 35M, ends at 36, probably highly producitve 2-3 years, decent the last 2
8M x 8 years = 64M(!!!), ends at 39, probably productive 2-3 years, decent for 3, burden to the club the last 2-3
In between those last figures is a price that makes sense for the club, keeps our own prospects, gives our youth time to develop instead of trading our prospects away in the other scenarios, fixes our 1C problem for a few years (when lets face it, the entire roster and competitive landscape will be different), and isn’t the high-risk disaster signing that the doomsayers are predicting.
I of course dont think there isn’t a risk – but there is a price at which the risk is worth taking.
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 2, 2011 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions
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