The Oscars of the Hockey World
by SkinnyFish on Jun 22, 2011 7:00 AM EDT
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Well the NHL Awards are tonight, like anyone's going to be watching, but I figure we should at least acknowledge
them. So here are the unofficial Pension Plan Puppets Picks:
Hart: Corey Perry
Vezina: Tim Thomas
Norris: Zdeno Chara
Calder: Jeff Skinner
Lady Byng: Nicklas Lidstrom
Selke: Jonathan Toews
Adams: Dan Byslma
Masterton: Ian Laperriere
Lester B. Pearson: Daniel Sedin
Messier: Zdeno Chara
Nobody cares about the rest that may remain. Who do you got for the awards winners? More links after the jump.
ITB&WB wonders if Burke is preparing for a team without Wilson.
Leafs Nation Onlines looks ahead to Friday.
3 Days Away: Feeling the Draft
MLHS with some names for Friday.
72 Hours Until Leafs Draft Greatest Player Ever
Puckin 'Eh with a great chart breaking down the characteristics of potential Leafs draft picks.
What Should TML Do With Their First Round Drat Picks
Oddly this article is longer than; Draft the best available players.
Small is the New Big at NHL Draft
The G&M looks at how small, skilled players can become the darlings of the draft.
Colin Campbell's Failure to Communicate
Great pick up and analysis by Jonathan Willis at The Leafs Nation
Ranking the Top Ten Available American
The US of Hockey looks at Brian Burke's fellow countrymen in the draft.
Habs, Markov Agree to Two-Year Deal
Markov to earn $11.5M over two years from the insurance company.
The Winnipeg Team Has a Website
Good for them.
Considering all the other awards named for great players, VLM wonders why no Gordie Howe award.
NHL BoG Approves Boarding and Head Shot Rule Changes
Great write on this from Wyshynski.
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Andrei Markov has been a spectacular offensive defenseman in his career (one of the only Habs I have respect for)
But $5.5M for a guy who has played 45 and 7 games respectively in his last two years? Shouldn’t he be getting one of those performance-laden return-from-injury contracts instead?
That’s 1M less than Phaneuf, who is almost an across-the-board consensus overpaid player, is much more physical (if slightly less productive when healthy) and 7 years younger.
I guess the cap space doesn’t matter too much if you’re expected to spend part of the year on the LTIR…
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=24720
Crazy would be NOT overanalyzing everything.
nice home town discount that
what this tells me is that they are not confident that A) Wisnewski will sign or B) Wisnewksi was not a fluke last year
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 22, 2011 7:15 AM EDT up reply actions
There’s a shit ton of below the cap floor teams that could use him and would likely give him a pretty decent payday
Crazy would be NOT overanalyzing everything.
by nhlcheapshot on Jun 22, 2011 7:31 AM EDT up reply actions
I think they still have enough cap space to sign Wiz, although having Markov, Subban, Gill and Gorges is already a pretty solid defensive line-up so he’s probably expendable
"I prematurely shot my wad on what was supposed to be a dry run, if you will, so now I'm afraid i have something of a mess on my hands."
"There's just so many poorly chosen words in that sentence."
And apparently now there is no deal, it’s like football transfer rumours
"I prematurely shot my wad on what was supposed to be a dry run, if you will, so now I'm afraid i have something of a mess on my hands."
"There's just so many poorly chosen words in that sentence."
Meh
it’d be weirder if it was still fully interactive and had all the thrashers info…
Crazy would be NOT overanalyzing everything.
by nhlcheapshot on Jun 22, 2011 7:36 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree. But, it would be nice to see a, “Thank you fans,” or even just a “1999-2011”. Some acknowledgement.
The whole thing ended in kind of a mess. I’m not shocked they didn’t go the extra mile. Tough to be classy when seemingly everyone is kicking dirt in your face.
Crazy would be NOT overanalyzing everything.
by nhlcheapshot on Jun 22, 2011 7:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Their fans meant nothing to them.
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by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Jun 22, 2011 7:58 AM EDT up reply actions
I like how it’s http://winnipeg.nhl.com/ because they STILL HAVENT PICKED A NAME.
Actually, at this point they should just be “Winnipeg.” There’s no rule saying you need to have a nickname.
On the Mike Weber bandwagon!
Sabres took the scenic route, but they still MADE IT TO THE PLAYOFFS!!!1
i clicked the link to the winnipeg site. First thing i saw was a blackberry ad. i laughed.
So, anyone think we’ll learn the name and logo at the draft?
"He should be wearing a Sens sweater" - describing someone acting less than sane or competent. Use it.
At this point, it's got to be the jets.
I think that due to the overwhelming support of fans to keep the jets name, TNSE had to go back to Reebok with a design and name and they’re waiting to unveil everything at once.
at least that’s my theory. getting drafted by a team with no name or logo is kind of embarrassing.
Dion Phaneuf: turning the tunes up since '10
If they don’t unveil it at the draft what jersey would they present to they’re pick? A Thrashers jersey with Winnipeg on the nameplate?
A generic NHL jersey?
if they do’t have anything by then they could do what the Kings did last year and present a third retro style jets jersey
"He should be wearing a Sens sweater" - describing someone acting less than sane or competent. Use it.
They said it would be a generic one… But how embarrassing for the player.. “look everyone I was drafted… but I don’t get to show off my new team logo”
It’s kind of like signing up for a site and having to come up with a username on the spot cause your first 3 choices are taken. After posting a few times you realize the name sucks but you are now stuck with it.
They want to get it right but are on a tight schedule.
by ThickSkinnedAlive on Jun 22, 2011 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions
They should call them the Jets short term then work to rebrand them later if they want, then. At the least, it will be a means to provide closure.
Calling them the Jets and then yanking the rug out from under the name would be horrible PR. Closure on the Jets happened that last night in Winnipeg many moons ago. IMHO this is a fresh start. The Jets are still in Phoenix as are all the retired jerseys and club records.
by ThickSkinnedAlive on Jun 22, 2011 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions
This is why you pick a username based on a song title by an obscure band from Kentucky. Odds of anyone else having it are very small.
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by Draglikepull on Jun 22, 2011 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Avs, 1995 draft
Blank jersey, NHL crest.
This is where a witty signature might go.
This is where a witty signature might go on drugs.
by Bower Power on Jun 22, 2011 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions
He could just blend right into the wall behind him.
History. Leafs. Drawing. In no particular order!
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by CanadianMaple09 on Jun 23, 2011 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m assuming the® under the logo stands for RIP?
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jun 22, 2011 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions
sweet. it worked. I call hereby trademark this symbol forever and ever.®
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jun 22, 2011 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Really like that Puckin' Eh article
on who the Leafs shouldn’t draft.
2 relevant names – Stuart Percy and yes – your favourite (25th pick?) goalie and mine, John Gibson.
Also notice how many categories Grimaldi does well in (other than size….)
Crazy would be NOT overanalyzing everything.
I’d be OK with Percy in the 2nd, but I’d rather have sproul or rask
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 22, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I bet we see Howe and Orr awards after they pass, unfortunately. I’m sure Howe’s WHA connections have harmed his chances to get an award named after him, too.
He’s still always remembered first as foremost as a Red Wing. There is no reason they don’t name an award after him while he’s still alive so at the very least he can present the first one.
You guys see this one yet?
If so, I’m really not all that sorry. But, you know, a little bit.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 22, 2011 8:05 AM EDT reply actions 8 recs
His smile tells you he’s imagining himself in a Leafs uniform.
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by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Jun 22, 2011 8:15 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
oh…that facial hair…clean shaven Kabby is the best of all
"He should be wearing a Sens sweater" - describing someone acting less than sane or competent. Use it.
I kind of like Bizzaro Kaberle. I also have the feeling that at 32 years old, he can’t grow facial hair on the sides of his face.
Dion Phaneuf: turning the tunes up since '10
Nothing wrong with not being able to grow facial hair… My gramps couldn’t grow a full beard either for his whole life. Its genetics just like those people who need to shave twice a day. He did luck out though because he had a thick full head of hair his whole life.
And yes I take after him so far…
i’m 25, and I have two tiny spots missing underneath my chin, been like that for years. Also, my work doesn’t allow me to grow full beards. so i understand.
Dion Phaneuf: turning the tunes up since '10
Have you seen this one yet?
LTWW
by Tickle Me Aulie on Jun 22, 2011 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions 12 recs
Yes
and it rules
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 22, 2011 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m glad those guys drink the good stuff, not some cheap crap.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jun 22, 2011 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Well they did down quite a few bud lights in the celebrations
"I prematurely shot my wad on what was supposed to be a dry run, if you will, so now I'm afraid i have something of a mess on my hands."
"There's just so many poorly chosen words in that sentence."
Bud Light and VCP, what else could you ask for?
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 22, 2011 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions
A single corona
"I prematurely shot my wad on what was supposed to be a dry run, if you will, so now I'm afraid i have something of a mess on my hands."
"There's just so many poorly chosen words in that sentence."
not a Heinekin Light?
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 22, 2011 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions
I didn’t even realise those existed until I saw the tab
"I prematurely shot my wad on what was supposed to be a dry run, if you will, so now I'm afraid i have something of a mess on my hands."
"There's just so many poorly chosen words in that sentence."
Not missing much
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 22, 2011 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions
They were drinking Jager bombs so their goal was to get hammered, so why buy light beer?
"I prematurely shot my wad on what was supposed to be a dry run, if you will, so now I'm afraid i have something of a mess on my hands."
"There's just so many poorly chosen words in that sentence."
For the biddies
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 22, 2011 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Only Reason why Fagomir Jagr is making this shot is because Chris Therien “BUNDY” is not on the ice riding Jagr into the boards.
FLYERROB ! YOU STAY AWESOME FLYERS FANS ! www.naawayland.com Robert Wilson - I JUST GOT MARRIED May 07th 2011th !!!!
Jaromir Jagr. I don’t think I know who that other fellow is- his evil twin?
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by happiergilmore on Jun 22, 2011 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions
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ohhhh.. Did I say that out loud !!
FLYERROB ! YOU STAY AWESOME FLYERS FANS ! www.naawayland.com Robert Wilson - I JUST GOT MARRIED May 07th 2011th !!!!
Seriously though, terms like “fag” are not welcome here.
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by Draglikepull on Jun 22, 2011 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
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its all on how you pronounce it.
I spelled F.A.G.O.M.I.R.
Pronounced like "Fog O Meer "
FLYERROB ! YOU STAY AWESOME FLYERS FANS ! www.naawayland.com Robert Wilson - I JUST GOT MARRIED May 07th 2011th !!!!
No.
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03/08/2011 - I saw THE Wookie score his 1st NHL goal.
03/19/2011 - Watched Kadri's 1st NHL goal from the West Bank
Twitter me this.
by happiergilmore on Jun 22, 2011 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s 5 + 10 + the game + a season long suspension + a 25% salary deduction for Obstruction Slurring
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03/08/2011 - I saw THE Wookie score his 1st NHL goal.
03/19/2011 - Watched Kadri's 1st NHL goal from the West Bank
Twitter me this.
by happiergilmore on Jun 22, 2011 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Because as we all know in the NHL naughty words are much worse that mashing brains
But ya not cool on the slur
"I prematurely shot my wad on what was supposed to be a dry run, if you will, so now I'm afraid i have something of a mess on my hands."
"There's just so many poorly chosen words in that sentence."
Didn’t Wizniewski get 2 or 3 games for that gesture to Avery? Same amount as most headshot penalties…
Popped a Colboner - Certified Joe Colborne Fanboy
03/08/2011 - I saw THE Wookie score his 1st NHL goal.
03/19/2011 - Watched Kadri's 1st NHL goal from the West Bank
Twitter me this.
by happiergilmore on Jun 23, 2011 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Or whatever the fuck the proper term is for “Brain Rattling Hit”
Popped a Colboner - Certified Joe Colborne Fanboy
03/08/2011 - I saw THE Wookie score his 1st NHL goal.
03/19/2011 - Watched Kadri's 1st NHL goal from the West Bank
Twitter me this.
by happiergilmore on Jun 23, 2011 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Chara could probably drink a bottle and still drive home.
I’m guessing old man Thomas or Recchi.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jun 22, 2011 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m guessing it was somebody like MArchand, who was drunk off his ass and wanted to order something “classy” for some pictures.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 22, 2011 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Skinny has some good award picks. I’d still go with Lidstrom for the Norris because frankly, I’m mesmerized by that man.
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by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Jun 22, 2011 8:10 AM EDT reply actions
I have no love for the Red Wings, but I’m kind of glad he’s coming back for one more season. Guys like he and Selanne seem to never let age affect them.
There's always next season!
I wouldnt be surprised, and being on Crosbys wing, or worst case (which i dont see happening) Malkin’s wing should not hurt that prospect at all.
When all 3 of Crosby, Malkin and Staal are healthy I think Malkin moves to the wing with Staal up the middle.
Neal-Crosby-Jagr
Kunitz-Staal-Malkin
that is a dirty top 6.
Add in a sheltered 3rd line of
Tangradi-Jefferies- Kennedy
with a 4th of
Rupp-Adams-?? (Cooke if they keep him)
and you have one of the best forward cores out there…
Letang – Orpik
Michalek – Martin
Niskanen – Engelland/Lovejoy
Fleury – Johnston
its a freaking dynasty. i dont know how they can lose with crosby/malkin/staal healthy
by Ben Schnell on Jun 22, 2011 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Their defence is so under-rated. That’s an excellent top 4.
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by Draglikepull on Jun 22, 2011 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions
That’s fucking dirty. I’m jealous. Dint they also have a 3rd line c type college ufa who played solid last year? Can’t remember his name
I am drinking the Kule-aid!
Certified Kule lover!
by BCapp on Jun 22, 2011 10:10 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Mark Letestu I believe
"You can't always get what you want, the Rolling Stones song was right"
"The fun comes from getting the 2 points"
Brian Burke
That’s the one. He seemed solid from what isaw out of him.
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by BCapp on Jun 22, 2011 10:44 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Mmhhmm he could slide in anywhere as an injury fill in so he’ll probably be the 13th forward
by WizardofNaz on Jun 22, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
It’s underrated because it wasn’t that good until last year. Shero did a great job last summer improving them (focussing kn what he decided was an area of weakness and ignoring the consensus that he should have been focussing on wingers) and letang taking another large step in his development.
*Note: there defense on the cup winning team was solid but nothing extraordinary
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by BCapp on Jun 22, 2011 10:13 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah Michalek & Martin > Scuderi & Gill
They don’t have Gonch, but they’ve done a great job of replacing him (and he’s old and busted now anyway)
Letang is the new hotness. I actually think 2011 Letang > 2008 Gonchar.
by WizardofNaz on Jun 22, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
ugh Neal
I still can’t believe they got him so easily.
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
Man I love this Mock Draft from THN’s Ryan Kennedy (one of the best out there for prospects imo). Mostly I like it because he has Scheifele dropping to 30 for us…
http://www.thehockeynews.com/articles/40928-THNs-2011-NHL-Mock-Draft.html
Yep, Kennedy knows prospects.
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by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Jun 22, 2011 8:31 AM EDT up reply actions
I see he has Phillips going at 13 as well
by Self Destructive Zones on Jun 22, 2011 8:42 AM EDT up reply actions
True, but even still, having him go that high is all the more evidence that scouts see his potential to put up points at the next level, and therefore would be a solid grab at 25 for us.
by Self Destructive Zones on Jun 22, 2011 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions
He must be smoking crack.
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Interesting setup. He’s got RNH falling naturally to third, though there’s talk of florida trading up to 1st.
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by Bower Power on Jun 22, 2011 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
peumpel and scheilef? yes please
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 22, 2011 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions
i understand the love for Gordie Howe, but really, another best player trophy?
Aren’t we tapped out of potential awards now?
The Messier award is a bit much. We have an MVP and an MVP chosen by the players. Who’ll pick the Howe MVP award?
"He should be wearing a Sens sweater" - describing someone acting less than sane or competent. Use it.
The winners of the other two MVPs, and the Conn Smythe.
Can it before I drive this truculence through your faceulence and put you in an ambulance.
by Brunswick Bruiser on Jun 22, 2011 8:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Don't forget a Wayne Gretzky award should come first...
"WHAM WHAM...KABAM...KABAM... A DOUBLE KABAM! AND IT'S A DOUBLE DION!" - Vintage Pierre McGuire
The Art Ross will be renamed after Gretzky one of these days I’m pretty sure.
As for the Gordie Howe I think they should give it to someone for a life-long dedication to hockey. But not for current NHL players (they have the Masterton). I’m talking the guys who spend 20 years playing throughout all the lower levels of pro hockey just for the love of the sport. Or the guys who spend 60 years coaching just because they love to.
Thats a good proposal for a Howe award.
"He should be wearing a Sens sweater" - describing someone acting less than sane or competent. Use it.
good idea but its the nhl awards not the hockey awards
LTWW
by Tickle Me Aulie on Jun 22, 2011 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Except that the Messier award is actually Messier’s award. That’s why its named after him. I don’t believe the NHL named it or anything.
On the Mike Weber bandwagon!
Sabres took the scenic route, but they still MADE IT TO THE PLAYOFFS!!!1
The Mark Messier Leadership Award is a National Hockey League (NHL) award that recognizes an individual as a superior leader within their sport, and as a contributing member of society. The award is given to a player selected by Mark Messier to honor an individual who leads by positive example through on-ice performance, motivation of team members and a dedication to community activities and charitable causes. It was first awarded during 2006–07 NHL season.
So Messier picks the winner, but I can’t find anything about who came up with the idea.
"He should be wearing a Sens sweater" - describing someone acting less than sane or competent. Use it.
I was under the impression that Messier’s charity donated the award but i could be wrong.
On the Mike Weber bandwagon!
Sabres took the scenic route, but they still MADE IT TO THE PLAYOFFS!!!1
So, who's going to get the Don Cherry Trophy?
It’s either for best thumbs-up of the year or best in-game sartorial splendor.
Let's Go Blues!
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by Paperwork Ninja on Jun 22, 2011 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions
The Don Cherry Award for outstanding wardrobe
LTWW
by Tickle Me Aulie on Jun 22, 2011 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
My picks
Hart: Perry
Vezina: Thomas
Norris: Lidstrom
Calder: Skinner
Byng: St Louis
Selke: Toews
Adams: Trotz
Masterson: Emery
Lindsay: Sedin
Messier: Doan
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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Remember, I came in last in the playoff pool so if everyone of these picks are wrong dont be shocked
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I think you should be fine, given that you didn’t pick John Gibson for any of them
by Self Destructive Zones on Jun 22, 2011 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions
If you can’t flip a coin to pick the winner of a series then picking a 1 in 3 winner should be damn near impossible.
by ThickSkinnedAlive on Jun 22, 2011 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Morning rumours from Kyper
@RealKyper
NHL tagging rules mean Flyers have to move money off cap before announcing July 1. Heard Bryzgalov was looking for 7-yr/50M
LOL 7M for Bryzgalov, Flyers are fucked for capspace
Crazy would be NOT overanalyzing everything.
After failing to sign Hamhuis last year they clearly don’t want the same thing to happen with Bryzgalov this year
Professional cusser causer.
by T is for Truculence on Jun 22, 2011 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions
MIKE RICHARDS TO TORONTO
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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by leafer1984 on Jun 22, 2011 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
I fully endorse this comment
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Jim Hughson embodies everything I hate about Canada.
by Future_considerations on Jun 22, 2011 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions
remember when fans here wanted Bryz. Hilarious
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I want Bryz.
I don’t seven years $50M want Bryz.
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Poor Bobrovsky never had much of a chance. Welcome to Corey Schneider’s world.
Crazy would be NOT overanalyzing everything.
by nhlcheapshot on Jun 22, 2011 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions
If only they hadn’t traded us their pick. They could have drafted John Gibson instead.
I’m never going to get over that
by Self Destructive Zones on Jun 22, 2011 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions
It might even have made sense for Philly to draft him at 25 (although it clearly does not for us), but given their somewhat recent history of drafting goaltenders in the first round (Ouellete and Munro are the two I’m thinking of), probably still a stupid idea.
by Self Destructive Zones on Jun 22, 2011 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions
boucher was a first round pick for them too I believe
by Ben Schnell on Jun 22, 2011 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions
he’s no reimer..
also I think we’ve found the elusive individual smoking the crack
Certified Grabbo Lover
Jim Hughson embodies everything I hate about Canada.
by Future_considerations on Jun 22, 2011 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions
This has summer of Kovy part 2 written all over it.
These skilled Russian players aren’t doing much to shed their (usually wrong) stereotype of being “greedy”
Crazy would be NOT overanalyzing everything.
by nhlcheapshot on Jun 22, 2011 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions
How did Bryz do that? If he was really greedy he wouldnt have agreed and said “fuck this, I’m a UFA”
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He still might
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 22, 2011 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions
He still might, but as of now, it sounds like he is stayign in Philly
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Then a bunch of fairly valued (Versteeg, Leino(UFA), Carle) or other overpaid (Hartnell) players are looking for places to play in FLA, COL, NYI…
Crazy would be NOT overanalyzing everything.
by nhlcheapshot on Jun 22, 2011 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions
RICHARDS TO TORONTO
What part of this dont you understand? Yeesh
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Oh my bad, I’m still daydreaming about Stastny.
Crazy would be NOT overanalyzing everything.
by nhlcheapshot on Jun 22, 2011 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Thought you were daydreaming about Richards.
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Ha, I was being tongue-and-cheek about Stastny because I don't think he's available
I am, but if this Bryz contract is indicative of how the UFA summer is going to go, Richards is about to make a billion dollars. I don’t see Burke doing that.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 22, 2011 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Don’t make me beg the question
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 22, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
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by BCapp on Jun 22, 2011 10:09 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I’m guessing that if your boss told you that he’s not giving you a raise so he can afford to keep your group together at work you’d say “sure thing, I’m happy to be part of the team”.
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I don't think he should take a "philly discount" or any "discount" for that matter
I also dont think he’s worth $50M at age 31.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 22, 2011 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions
And if this is how trend of this summer is going to go… Brad Richards is going to be a billionaire.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 22, 2011 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions
And thus hoping to build a team from UFAs is stupid.
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Gotta wonder if they’re better off waiting 10 more days, realizing the pick(s?) they traded are a sunk cost, and see what Vokoun has to say on July 1.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 22, 2011 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Depends on the situation. I turned down a shot at a promotion at my last job because I figured a co-worker could use it more and I was looking for work elsewhere.
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by Draglikepull on Jun 22, 2011 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions
The first part of his reasoning, yeah.
I can see the logic behind the second part. If you’re out the door, why take on more responsibility and then immediately abdicate it? That’ll just piss people off.
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Ya if you’re looking for other work it seems weird to gun for a promotion. But letting another guy take it because he deserves it more? That’s no way to advance a career…. clearly the higher ups thought you were the better choice…
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 22, 2011 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
It depends, was it a promotion that came with additional benefits or a promotion that meant they paid you the same amount of money to do more work?
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It wasn’t that I thought he deserved it more, it’s that I figured he needed it more. He was on a contract that was expiring soon (ie he was going to be out of work), and I was interviewing for better jobs elsewhere.
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by Draglikepull on Jun 22, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
And unions sometimes accept pay-cuts in order to prevent layoffs.
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by Draglikepull on Jun 22, 2011 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions
When was the last time that happened? Especially in Canada?
The U.S., on the other hand, I guess there’s a bunch of states trying to bust up unions at the moment…
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by T is for Truculence on Jun 22, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah but where I work I don’t get the chance to win anything at the end of the year. It’s more just the opportunity of continuing to scrape out a meagre existence.
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by T is for Truculence on Jun 22, 2011 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
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Breathe….
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Hmmm, now who do the Flyers have that I would like?
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The only cost controlled asset they have? Unlikely.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 22, 2011 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, that’s not going to happen. I had dreams once of packaging Cory Schneider and some other stuff to Philly for him, but this whole Bryzgalov thing is really throwing a wrench in that
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The funny part is it’s looking like Versteeg is about to become yet another cap casualty. The guy is racking up a lot of different jerseys.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 22, 2011 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Would Nashville take him for cheap? How many other teams would be interested
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NYI, FLA, COL… all for I’m assuming very cheap.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 22, 2011 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Florida makes sense, they really need to throw money around to just make the cap floor. I love how their highest paid defenseman in Kulikov at $1.3 million
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Their first and second round picks this year will likely get max bonuses and be on the team no matter how outmatched. That’ll crush about $10M of cap space.
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They need to fill 12 spots with an average of $2.5M to get to the cap floor on a 23-man roster.
That’s more than Kulemin is paid... × 12
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 22, 2011 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Any college or European ufa's of note left
Who they can give bonus laden contracts to, to fill up some room?
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by BCapp on Jun 22, 2011 10:07 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Bingo
This is where they can really get players with p.bonuses
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 22, 2011 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Can you give performance bonuses to over 35 contracts? I thought it was just elc’s
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by BCapp on Jun 22, 2011 10:14 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You can for both
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by BCapp on Jun 22, 2011 10:42 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Also I think the CBA has a provision to give bonuses to players who have missed more than a certain number of games due to injury and are ufa’s.
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jun 22, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
You can. For example Mike Modano had a $1.25m salary with 500k in bonuses. Cap hit of $1.75m
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From the CBA FAQ:
Performance bonuses will only be permissible for the following types of players: (1) players on entry-level contracts; (2) players signing one-year contracts after returning from long-term injuries (players with 400 or more games who spent 100 or more days on injured reserve in the last year of their most recent contract); and senior veteran players who sign a one-year contract after the age of 35
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There are limits to how much you can offer in bonuses and what you can offer them for. I think the max ELC contract, even with bonuses, is $3.75 million.
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by Draglikepull on Jun 22, 2011 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Derp, should have read further.
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jun 22, 2011 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Teams I think Would be interested in steeg
Fla
Nash
Clb (if they move voracek, umberger, etc in a trade)
Col (I think they’d be pretty smart to do this)
Nyi
NYR (depending on how their shakeup goes o signing Richards he may look like a good cost controlled asset. This one is unlikely but i can see them having to shift a lot of pieces)
Winnipeg
Phx
Tampa (they traded with Philly twice last year. If they let gagne go they have a top 9 spot open they’ll probably want to fill and he is at the right age for the team)
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by BCapp on Jun 22, 2011 10:05 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Tampa might not want a 3rd liner at ~ 3M, considering stamkos’ raise and their poor(ish) market
There is no way NYR can fit steeg, and even if they dont get richards they probably dont want to spend their space on steeg
by Ben Schnell on Jun 22, 2011 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions
I think that steeg would be a 2nd/3rd liner there fighting with downie. He could also point their second unit. Their cap is actually pretty healthy too.
There top 9 wingers next year right now are msl, Malone, and downie. Plus Purcell is an rfa
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by BCapp on Jun 22, 2011 10:19 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
In regards to there cap
If stamkos gets the Crosby contract then they have 13 players signed for about 45.5 mil. That sounds rough but they would have basically a top 6 and top 4 signed already. So most of the signings left would be sub 1.5 million. Maybe one mid level defender plus one expensive goalie (I see them targeting vokoun).
The thing is I don’t know how much money they want to spend. 55-58 mil would be my guess and that tightens the door a fair bit
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by BCapp on Jun 22, 2011 10:23 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
And you are right on the rangers
For some weird reason I can just see that team getting very shake up this summer at forward.
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by BCapp on Jun 22, 2011 10:23 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Oh dear, not this 3rd liner nonsense again. Versteeg could play on the top line of a number of teams in the league.
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by Draglikepull on Jun 22, 2011 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Are we actually still calling Versteeg a 3rd liner? Jesus.
He was on Chicago’s “3rd line” because of insane depth
He was Richards wing man on Philly (so is Richards a 5mil 3rd liner?). Think about that: a 20 goal guy who is defensively responsible enough to play with Mike Richards
He was on the Leafs “3rd line” because Steeg-Bozak-Kessel was a terrible line that couldn’t cycle for shit, Aand MGK was MGK.
He’s not some grinder type, shot-blocking type. He’s a guy who can fill in many different roles including 20 goal scorer. If Tampa lets Gagne go:
StLouis – Stamkos – Downie
Versteeg – Vinny – whoever the 6th guy is
I tried to call him top9 to avoid this argument. For the record I agree with you.
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by BCapp on Jun 22, 2011 10:41 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I agree with this too and the fact that he plays on the powerplay speaks to his top-6ish, if you go by points he can be top 3-6 but most of these teams are not going to be fitting him on their top line which is why i wouldnt call him a top-3
He was Richards’ winger. Is that not top 3?
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by BCapp on Jun 22, 2011 3:17 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Macluvin Arbitration
Burke won’t break bank for MacArthur (Toronto Sun)
Don Meehan, the agent for Maple Leafs winger Clarke MacArthur, shares the view that his client is headed for salary arbitration with the club.
"It seems like it as of now," Meehan told the Toronto Sun via e-mail. "However, we will still make all efforts to get him signed."
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I trust Burke will do the right thing with our RFAs.
With that, his record has been pretty pristine since joining TOR.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 22, 2011 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
that part of his track record has select muteism
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 22, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
But he pulled off the best draft day finagling to get the Sedins so that more than makes up for it
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by mf37 on Jun 22, 2011 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
rec’d. “Alright, we won’t touch the twins, but if you ever do a tie up properly again…”
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Maybe it wasn’t part of the deal, maybe it was a threat from one of the other GMs who was angry they couldn’t get the Sedins. “I swear to God if I ever see you wearing a necktie again I will strangle you to death!” Burke doesn’t do it up now because a rival GM could be lurking behind him at any moment.
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by Draglikepull on Jun 22, 2011 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Burke’s Report Card:
RFAs: A+
UFAs: D-
Trades: C
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I’d say the Beauch contract and subsequent trade should get him to a D at the very least.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 22, 2011 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
He hasn’t been that bad at trades.
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Lets be honest here, that trade was a salary dump. Also Kubina didn’t have all that much value
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Sure it was a salary dump, but that doesn’t change the fact that is was a horrible decision.
Exelby and Komi are both terrible hockey players.
Making one bad move to enable another doesn’t excuse the error, it compounds it.
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Funny footnote about the Exelby trade: Exelby came with Stuart, who was then traded with Stralman and a 2012 7th for Primeau and Calgary’s 2011 2nd. That 2nd was then traded to Chicago for our 2010 2nd, which was then used for the Kessel deal.
The Garnet Exelby deal helped us get Phil Kessel.
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by Bower Power on Jun 22, 2011 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
that’s only a good thing if you like the Kessel trade, which many dont
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 22, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Didn’t say good or bad. Just funny how one trade ends up rolling into another.
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 22, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
The Ponikarovsky for Caputi trade goes back all the way to drafting Gary Leeman.
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I got bored at work one day and worked out where all the players on the current roster ultimately came from. When I got to Caputi and realized I had to figure out where all the different parts of the Gilmour trade came from, I pretty much threw my hands up in despair.
My favorite part of this, by the way, is realizing that Jesse Blacker is essentially a waiver pick-up, having been drafted with a pick acquired in trade for Dominic Moore, who was acquired via waivers from the Wild.
The part that sucks is he dumped that salary and then gave that anchor to Komisarek. So yeah low score on UFAs
We would’ve been better off keeping Kubina.
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by T is for Truculence on Jun 22, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Beauchemin,* Versteeg 1, Versteeg 2, Kaberle, Kessel. All market-average or better.
*I’d also suggest that Beauchemin’s UFA signing was an A+ when all is said and done. Reasonable contract, tough minutes, flipped for long term, cost-controlled assets (and Lupul).
I’ve also started coming around to the Armstrong UFA signing as “okay,” however the Komisarek and Lebda signings pretty much tank that category, I suppose.
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by Bower Power on Jun 22, 2011 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions
I hate agreeing with leafer
But off the top of my head his trades have been pretty good.
The only trades I can think of that I didn’t like were the second steeg trade and the kubina one.
But are you using the American grades where C is average? Because if you are I agree with you
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by BCapp on Jun 22, 2011 10:25 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think he is
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How you interpret the Kessel trade could wildly swing your opinion from a B+ to a D-
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 22, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I seem to remember Mac talking about him and his wife wanting to settle down, and he implied he at the end of season presser that money is not the important thing. It seems he has again decided to listen to his agent…I wonder if that means Mac will once again be let go…
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Don’t get me wrong I wasn’t trying to say that his agent doesn’t know what he is doing, just that he has a vested interest in a big $$$ contract. I’m just hoping he doesn’t pull a Dominic Moore…
$$$ >>> Mac’s feelings.
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Take the arb ruling, make him earn a new deal. If he really is a 60+ point winger, Burke can make him a rich man. If not, no loss for us.
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There is a draw back
See plekanec. He could have been signed on a 3.5 mil or so longer term deal the year before he go his current one. But he had an off year so mtl gave him a one year prove yourself contract and ended up signing him to a longer term 5 mil/year contract. I have no problem with what you are suggesting but let’s not pretend that this is not a plausible scenario.
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by BCapp on Jun 22, 2011 10:28 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Meehan is a first rate dick from what I can tell…
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jun 22, 2011 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions
thats the impression i’ve always have had for him going back to the 90s.
by Nigel Cadbury on Jun 22, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Or maybe Mac wants a deal but Burke is the one who wants arbitration . . .
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by Draglikepull on Jun 22, 2011 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
It’s not one or the other, I think Mac’s agent want more than Burke is willing to give… playing hardball until arb… I bet he signs beforehand, but I think (if it happens) this is the 3rd time that Mac has gone to arbitration? Maybe his agent is aiming high…
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 22, 2011 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
or maybe the agent is a retiree that just likes to keep busy with arbitration hearings
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by Tickle Me Aulie on Jun 22, 2011 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
One thing I haven't heard much about this offseason
Is European UFAs. We’ve pretty much cornered the market on them the last few years, and I know we already grabbed Mark In Da Park, but are there any position players out there drawing interest?
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A few goalie UFAs have been talked about (Fasthe? something like that), clearly we dont need them
most of the top college UFAs have already been signed (Miele, etc.)
Assuming Burke signs 2-4 UFA players this summer (maybe some for the Marlies), we are right near our (dare I say it) 50 SPC limit… unless college UFAs can outplay our current players or are okay being depth on the Marlies… I dont know why they’d/we’d be interested.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 22, 2011 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions
this just proves to me that Burke is going to move up and pick Langeskog. He needs that SPC for him.
by Ben Schnell on Jun 22, 2011 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions
We’re not in the race for Viktor Fasth which is fine by me.
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by Bower Power on Jun 22, 2011 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Ya we have enough goalies (late rounder for an 18 year old would be fine, but not UFA ones)
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 22, 2011 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, the big thing is that he’s 28. He played really well at Worlds this year, and has done well in the SEL recently, but he’s going to need to be on NHL ice next year if he’s going to have a career in North America.
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by Bower Power on Jun 22, 2011 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
And Niklas Backstrom
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"There's just so many poorly chosen words in that sentence."
Backstrom was in the NHL at 28, and never left. Backstrom isn’t a counterpoint, he’s an example of what I’m talking about.
And Tim Thomas had played on NA ice previously. Not to mention, I’m not sure you want to plan goaltending around someone who’s considered excellent because he defied the significant odds against him.
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by Bower Power on Jun 22, 2011 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
I am officially starting Team Weiss, Upshall & Wiz.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 22, 2011 10:16 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Ive been on board for Weiss since those rumours surfaced around deadline time. Wiz is interesting..
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Wiz or Babchuyk, some second-tier UFA Dman.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 22, 2011 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Wizniewski’s yet another right-handed shot, and I think he’s looking for more of a role than Burke’s going to be willing to offer.
We need to stay the hell away from Anton Babchuk.
If as rumoured San Jose’s walking away from Ian White, that might be worth looking at. Otherwise, I want a depth guy who won’t rock the boat; the name that keeps jumping out at me is Steve Montador, who’d be perfect in a 4/5 role and wouldn’t command a crazy salary. Downsides are he’s 32 (which doesn’t really fit with the current youth of the team) and he’s another right-hand shot.
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See I think Burke wants a top-2 guy. And I sure as hell don’t want to pay for Bieksa or Erhoff.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 22, 2011 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
It’s the term that presents the greater problem.
If you sign up for Bieksa for 5 years, what do you do when Schenn and Aulie are ready to be #’s 2 and 3?
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You have an insanely deep d corps that can withstand inevitable injuries.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 22, 2011 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Vancouver had a pretty damn deep defense… Philly’s is too.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 22, 2011 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Philly’s defense is not deep. They had 5 defensemen they were willing to play.
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Sabres took the scenic route, but they still MADE IT TO THE PLAYOFFS!!!1
It’s deep in high end talent. They have 2 #1 defenseman (pronged and timmonen) and another 3 who are top 3 or better in colborne, mezaros, and carle. Plus whats his name (odonnel?) played like a top 4 last year even though he is ancient
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by BCapp on Jun 22, 2011 10:47 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
That’s why I don’t want to sign Bieksa, sign someone cheaper but not useless.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 22, 2011 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Bieksa’s only really good with Hamhuis anyways. Probably says more about Hamhuis
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Exactly, also playing on the Cup finalist helps anyone look good.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 22, 2011 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
He has been a lot better this year than in the past, in general though. But he did look lost without Hamhuis for the rest of the finals
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I just think that as all UFAs are over-paid, he will be especially overpaid.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 22, 2011 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
He won’t be AS overpaid if he stays in Vancouver though!
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Keep him.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 22, 2011 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
You think Aulie will be a #3?
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A guy who I don't know much about
But seems like a similar skill level to montador is hejda from Clb. Anyone who watches Clb games is he any good for his price range?
It’s annoying because there were two guys I wanted last year at this mid tier defenseman level. Clark and Leopold.
Also what do ppl think of brewer?
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Hejda is okay, I’d love Brewer – but it sounds like he’s ready to re-sign in TB.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 22, 2011 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Okay sounds right for me. I am all for signing a guy at that level to something like a 2-3 year under 2.3 mil/year contract.
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by BCapp on Jun 22, 2011 10:49 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Do you really want Wiz at 5 mil for 5 years?
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 22, 2011 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Don’t want upshall personally. I just don’t see the upside
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by BCapp on Jun 22, 2011 10:30 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I dont see where he fits in. We all know the make up of the top 6 (unicorn pending) and Kadri Bozak Army is a damn good 3rd line so unless MacA is walking I dont see him in the make up.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 22, 2011 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions
We’re just bringing over all those kids rumoured to be part of that group that loved to party in Philly. We already have Lupul. Why you ask? To make Mike Richards feel at home when he gets here.
by ShahofToronto on Jun 22, 2011 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Weiss isn’t moving. Florida needs to hit the cap floor.
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by Draglikepull on Jun 22, 2011 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't know why in the hell EDM would do that.
I think it’d be stupid, but maybe EDM wants Larsson or something and the hope is that they can get a bonus pick/prospect and still nab him at #3…
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 22, 2011 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, the idea is that they want Larsson, with a backup of Couturier if Colorado takes Larsson (at least, that’s what CnB is hoping).
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by Bower Power on Jun 22, 2011 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
IMO they’d be better off taking RNH at 1, future 1C playing with Hall. Then take their next pick at 19 and try to move it into the top 10 to take one of Hamilton or Murphy.
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It’s an interesting thought, but Copper n Blue took Larsson at #1 overall. If they can trade down and get significant assets out of Florida for it, then still walk away with Larsson?
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by Bower Power on Jun 22, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
I guess the question is what does Larsson project to turn into? The next Lidstrom? If so I guess you can’t pass on him. But if Murphy/Hamilton project to turn into, say, Keith/Weber, then that’s pretty damn good too. If that’s the case, I think I’d rather have RNH and one of those guys than Larsson and some C at 19 who doesn’t have 1C talent.
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They aren’t getting Murphy/Hamilton at 19. They might get Oleksiak or Siemens there. Although Mayfield / Klefborn are also good.
I’m saying take RNH at 1 and move their 19th pick up into the top 10 to get Murphy/Hamilton.
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They’d have to move more than the 19th to do that. Likewise, Florida would have to move more than their first to move up to the top spot, and EDM still gets Larsson / Couturier.
Obviously. Do you think I really thought they’d just swap their 19th for the 9th pick straight up? They’d have to sweeten the pot but I’m not gonna bother speculating on that because I don’t know or generally care what picks/prospects they have to work with.
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Be pretty funny if they traded down and then Colorado took Larsson at #2
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That's the risk.
Or FLA just took him.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 22, 2011 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Or trade down a 2nd time and get Hamilton
by WizardofNaz on Jun 22, 2011 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Weiss only makes 3.1 – just slightly more than a cap-max ELC. Besides, if they want expiring salary, they can have Jeff Finger.
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by Bower Power on Jun 22, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Souray.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 22, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Would also make sense. But the point is that they have options – saying Weiss isn’t moving so that Florida can make the cap floor is a little silly.
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by Bower Power on Jun 22, 2011 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Florida is so far away from the cap floor that even if, for some reason, they took on a contract like Souray’s, they’ll still need guys like Weiss just to hit the floor.
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by Draglikepull on Jun 22, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Weiss’s next two salary years are above cap. He makes 4M and 4.1M, while his cap is 3.1M. That’s exactly the kind of contract Florida doesn’t want. They’re looking for people with lower salary than their cap hit (Souray), bonus laden contracts (Grudbranson will get a cap max ELC, they could also sign an over 35-player to a bonus laden contract) or even (Finger).
Weiss is the completely wrong kind of contract to help Florida.
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by Bower Power on Jun 22, 2011 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Chemmy’s timing: impeccable.
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by Bower Power on Jun 22, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
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They also have their other 2 1st’s from last year as well as John MacFarland all who they could give big bonus’ to.
by WizardofNaz on Jun 22, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
I think it would be exceptionally stupid of Tallon to trade a useful player with a $3.1 million cap hit in order to take on a useless player with a slightly higher cap hit. Keep in mind if they drop Weiss, that’s another $3.1 million they need to add to the roster, driving the average they need to pay each additional player up even further.
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by Draglikepull on Jun 22, 2011 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Weiss has a 3.1M cap hit, but a 4.0/4.1M salary. A cash strapped team cares about salary. If they took Finger – a name I threw out at random – he could have a defenseman making a higher cap hit and lower salary. This is what Florida wants needs. Additionally, if we were getting Weiss, he could easily demand players who were on ELCs, with a high cap hit (bonuses) and low salary (not attaining bonuses).
Higher cap hit. Lower salary. Weiss doesn’t have this, and in a trade, Florida could easily achieve this.
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by Bower Power on Jun 22, 2011 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Florida at least needs to look at getting something approaching value for Weiss. You don’t trade a good player to free up cap space for a bad player.
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by Draglikepull on Jun 22, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Like I said, I wasn’t starting a trade proposal, just stating that we have expiring contracts that could be moved if it was such an issue for them.
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by Bower Power on Jun 22, 2011 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s exactly the kind of contract Florida doesn’t want. They’re looking for people with lower salary than their cap hit (Souray)
Thanks for noting this. A lot of people are saying “to reach the cap floor” with any old salary dump, but that’s not even remotely realistic. Cash-poor teams need to hit the cap floor, but ideally without paying anything near the cap floor in actual dollars. They are looking for the tail end of front-loaded contracts. Imagine we had a player signed for 10, 10, 6, 2, 2 (cap hit 6m), and let’s assume he plays at a 6m level. If we trade him to Florida after the 3rd year, he’s worth $4m in year 4 and 5 cash under the cap floor, in addition to the ability of the player himself. I wonder how much that’s worth to them in terms of trade value… It would theoretically be possible for them to ice a competitive team if they did this shrewdly.
Bonuses is another way to hit the cap floor but I think that only applies to this year, right?
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If Florida trades Weiss and then takes on a guy like Finger just to hit the cap floor, Tallon should be banned from being anywhere near a hockey game for the rest of his life.
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by Draglikepull on Jun 22, 2011 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Because I totally advocated a straight up Weiss-for-Finger trade as fair / even.
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by Bower Power on Jun 22, 2011 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Not my point. If he makes that kind of move in any combination he’s an idiot. Doesn’t matter which team Weiss goes to.
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by Draglikepull on Jun 22, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Really? Kadri’s on an ELC. You think if he moves Weiss for Kadri and a pick, then fills cap space by signing Tuomo Rutuu to a 1M contract with 2M in bonuses, he’s still an idiot? Because he just saved his organization a lot of money, got younger, and got two long term assets.
There exists a fair market value for Weiss with players who are making more cap hit than salary, especially considering that Weiss does not have a higher cap hit than salary. It’s incorrect, if not stupid, to suggest that Weiss could not be moved.
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by Bower Power on Jun 22, 2011 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
So to be clear, you think Florida is going to deliberately ice the worst team they can muster, no matter who the players are, as long as the cap hits are good for them?
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by Draglikepull on Jun 22, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Why wouldn’t they?
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Bonuses have always counted against the cap floor, the difference this year is that they also count against the cap ceiling. The only team that I know of so far that has actually used bonuses to hit the floor is the Islanders. So why do we suddenly assume that this is going to become a widespread strategy and that, further, it’s going to become the sole strategy to the detriment of any notion of building a team?
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by Draglikepull on Jun 22, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes
NYI got by on it last year I believe.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 22, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
They calculate the salary cap room including those bonuses, but if you’re over the cap you could deduct the bonuses that weren’t achieved.
But since this is the last year of the existing CBA, there is no bonus cushion. So, like Chemmy’s article said, they could sign some 35+ player to a $1M contract and get a cap hit of like $4M by putting in all sorts of bonuses that they have virtually zero chance of achieving.
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I think that’s a reverse type of circumvention… but I doubt anyone will get too upset about it, unless they’re in a battle for 30th place.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 22, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
because the cap floor has never been this high…
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So? It had never been as high as it was last season until last season. And the year before. etc. I see no evidence suggesting that we’re going to see a drastic alteration in strategy this year. I’m not saying it couldn’t happen, just that there isn’t currently much evidence to back it up.
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by Draglikepull on Jun 22, 2011 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m also not sure why veterans would agree to bonus-laden contracts full of bonuses they know they’ll never reach. What’s the point? Why not just sign a contract with no bonuses but a higher base pay elsewhere?
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by Draglikepull on Jun 22, 2011 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Because I doubt teams are knocking down doors to sign any player over 35 years old. “Oh no, we missed out on locking up Tuomo Ruutu to a long term deal!”
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There isn’t evidence because the cap has never been this high. How are you supposed to prove a hypthetical
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And the cap had “never been this high” last year. If you’re going to suggest that teams are going to radically alter their strategies, there needs to be something to back that up. Only one team – the NYI – has ever pursued a strategy of allowing bonuses to help reach the cap floor, and even then they held on to all of their good, young players and eventually signed a number of them to long-term deals at higher cap hits. I wouldn’t be surprised if we see some inflated ELCs from cap floor teams this year, but I don’t see any evidence that they’re going to jettison anything of value and then sign useless players to useless contracts.
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by Draglikepull on Jun 22, 2011 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
weiss does have “value” but to florida? he just lowers their shot at a lottery pick…
draft picks have value to florida as do low-salary high-cap-hit players
“value” to florida means a very different thing than you are suggesting, and very different from most other teams
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You’re right that the cap had also “never been this high” last year as well, but there’s a difference between the ratio of the floor to the ceiling and the absolute dollar value. Basically, the absolute dollar value has gotten to a point where it is becoming too expensive for some teams to afford. The ratio, or distance between the floor and the ceiling may be about the same, but the actual dollars involved are what is becoming untenable. That’s what people are talking about.
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by T is for Truculence on Jun 22, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
OK, but if these teams didn’t use this tactic this year, then the suggestion is either that:
a) the extra amount added this year is too much to bear; or
b) the combined amounts that clubs have had to over-spend in the past few years has reached a tipping point.
B is possible, but no one has provided any evidence to suggest that it’s actually the case. If what we’re dealing with is A, then presumably these teams are still able to spend as much as they did last year, and so the amount of “fake” bonuses they need to add is only the equivalent of this year’s increase, which is a bit over $4 million.
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by Draglikepull on Jun 22, 2011 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions
The only way to get the evidence you’re looking for is to wait and see what they do this summer. That’s it.
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by T is for Truculence on Jun 22, 2011 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions
yep
all we can do is speculate… and if we can’t do that… then what do we have!
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Semantics!
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by T is for Truculence on Jun 22, 2011 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m going to speculate that after the Leafs’ first draft pick is made on Friday, there will be a semantic argument about some aspect of that player’s skill.
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by Draglikepull on Jun 22, 2011 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s also why I keep coming back here.
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by T is for Truculence on Jun 23, 2011 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions
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by thenumber14 on Jun 22, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
No, that’s not knowing how to use your fax machine and then signing a bunch of guys right up to the cap and having to blow it all up the year after you win the cup
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That’s sort of the point of a “Scorched Earth” rebuild…
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Normally you try to at least seem competitive. What the hell is that Florida team going to do? They don’t even have Vokoun to keep them afloat.
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The draft picks/ rebuilding is a long-term strategy to get that team competitive.
The no salary/ minimal financial commitments is a short-term strategy that seems to be trying to entice somebody to buy them.
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Plus lets fact it when J-Balls buys the team and brings to to Hamilton don’t you want the team to be young and on the upswing.
At least I do because Hamilton would give me a chance to actually get season tickets for an NHL team. Leafs would be my #1 (by far) still but being able to see 41+ NHL games a year would be nice.
by WizardofNaz on Jun 22, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
There’s been plenty of talk from people like Lebrun about Florida trying to get Vokoun back, which also seems to contradict this notion that they’re going to deliberately jettison everyone useful.
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by Draglikepull on Jun 22, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes, but with two caveats: first, it’s not just the cap hits that have to be good for them, it’s also the salaries. And second, as long as, in the trade, they can add some long term value to the team. A pick, a prospect, they’re looking for an edmonton style rebuild – get young and tank – not a toronto style of get players who are young but established in the NHL.
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by Bower Power on Jun 22, 2011 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
You’re not starting it…
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by The '67 Sound on Jun 22, 2011 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Officially.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 22, 2011 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Please to add to the FTB
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 22, 2011 10:30 AM EDT reply actions
Question for the board
Why is pitkanen not more talked about.
He is very good offensively (as good as erhoff it appears) and is a minute muncher (led the league in minute played 2 years ago) and he seems to play reasonably tough (not shutdown though) minutes. But I havent heard as much about him as some other ufa’s this summer.
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by BCapp on Jun 22, 2011 10:32 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
But I havent heard as much about him as some other ufa’s this summer.
I’d say this comes down to the fact that he’s not one of the premier guys (like Richards), and he hasn’t played in 2 months, so everyone’s been talking about the Bieksa’s and the Ehrhoff’s who have been active recently.
Pitkanen’s interesting and would be a logical replacement for Kaberle. But I think it’s Beauchemin’s minutes that needs to be replaced and that’s a tougher task.
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That’s probably it (not playing for a while). I don’t even mean for the leafs though, just that his name isn’t discussed much as a top ufa this summer
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by BCapp on Jun 22, 2011 10:38 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
http://leafsloft.blogspot.com/2011/06/nhl-draft-2011-who-to-pick-part-1.html
Thought this was a really interesting article. It’s not mine but should be included in the FTB, it’s a pretty indepth look at what players would fulfill what needs. He goes over 1 player for the first two, middle three and last 2 rounds. Brings up lots of names we never would talk about (the later round guys) definitely worth a look.
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Also, if you look at the post about Zach Phillips from yesterday (re: the SBN draft), I listed a bunch of players who would be very nice 2nd or 3rd round picks, I will list them below but the links to their HockeyDB pages are on that page.
Shane Prince from the 67’s, Mike Cazzola and overager on the Erie Otters (don’t know if he’s draft eligible), Stefan Noesen good sized winger playing for the Plymouth Whalers, Daniel Catenacci, very speedy center playing in the Soo, Josh Shalla, the overage winger playing for Saginaw, Andrew Fritsch, a winger playing for Owen Sound, Nick Cousins, another center playing in the Soo, Steven Beyers of the Barrie Colts and lastly Seth Griffith of the London Knights.
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by happiergilmore on Jun 22, 2011 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
If we trade down/up and end up with a late second (after 45th) I’d be interested in prince. Cs like him (top 30 na skater) but I haven’t seen him get much love in mock drafts.
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by BCapp on Jun 22, 2011 10:51 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Both Cazzola and Shalla are draft eligible. And they are GOING into their overage season. I’d think about Shalla in the late rounds but not Cazzola as he’s only 5’7 and didn’t exactly tear the league up… Colin Behenna is a better smallish player of the same age but again wouldn’t draft him
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Burke is also in the market for a puck-moving defenseman, and there could be a number of options available to him in free agency. Stastny would be a major coup for the Leaf boss on the trade market; any such deal would likely involve Toronto moving at least Nazem Kadri and one of its first-round picks on Friday. Burke could sweeten the pot with a player like Carl Gunnarsson, who has just re-signed a contract with the Blue & White. If Colorado GM Greg Sherman is at all determined to unload Stastny’s contract – and, again, whispers suggest that to be true – a package of Kadri, Gunnarsson and a first-rounder could get the deal done, landing Toronto one of the best young centres in the NHL.
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Good god if that’s all it takes.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 22, 2011 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
That can’t be all it would take. I’m a huge Gunnar fan but that’s a no-brainer.
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by The '67 Sound on Jun 22, 2011 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah definitely, neither Kadri, Gunnar, or that 1st will ever be as valuable as Stastny.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 22, 2011 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
I’d pack their bags. Sorry Gunnar about that new contract, head fake, off to COL you go.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 22, 2011 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
There are so many things I would do for Kadri, Gunnar and a 1st for Stastny… Like so many.
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by happiergilmore on Jun 22, 2011 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
And if I were COL, i’d ask for next year’s 1st in hope that we bomb again and they get the next Seguin.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 22, 2011 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
the only problem in that is it would involve a LOT of lebderp next season as opposed to just a little.
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by thenumber14 on Jun 22, 2011 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
STASTNY!
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 22, 2011 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Wonder if Gunnar, both 1sts and Colborne get it done. I think Kadri projects as a better winger and is more productive in the AHL…
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I would be okay with this.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 22, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
This is the same deal I was talking about with my Flyers fan friend last night. His response was keep dreaming. I don’t think its that far off of what it would take to fetch Stastny…
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Elite talent is worth more than four or five decent pieces.
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Not when it comes with a boat anchor of a contract. The past has shown this to be the case and why some elite talent is procured with less than thought packages.
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Stastny doesn’t have an anchor of a contract tho
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$6.6M isn't "cheap" but it's pretty in-line with what he brings.
It’s not an ELC outperforming contract, but we have no shot at getting one of those.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 22, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
So is the consensus that we try to land our unicorn first by trading, second UFA and third hope its in our system hiding? I’m thinking if I was burke, I couldn’t afford the risk of waiting for July 1st to sign Richards unless I know he will be signing here. So if that is how Burke is thinking, who do you trade and with what? If Stastny is a target, would bozak make a good piece to the trade? Ex-Denver U star, good center that is 2nd-3rd line NHL ready and fairly cheap… plus picks and a prospect?
Burke and the boys must have a plan A, B and C and just wondering what they could be.
"There's been four different Cup winners the last four years, and I got one of them (Anaheim) and it was a fighting team. We're playing it that way regardless." - B. Burke, Toronto Maple Leafs GM
would bozak make a good piece to the trade
Bozak probably doesn’t have much value. Any guess at a value is a shot in the dark, but you gotta think they’d want our higher-end young players/prospects – 1st round picks, Kadri, Colborne, Gardiner, Gunnarsson, Aulie, etc.
Don’t know what/if Burke is willing to give up in there.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 22, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s interesting that no one ever mentions Schenn as one of the players other teams would want in a big deal for a guy like Carter or Stastny, but I think he’d be the first target on our roster. Colorado could use a defenceman like Schenn.
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by Draglikepull on Jun 22, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s because most of us don’t want to believe / don’t believe Burke would be willing to part with him. Even for a unicorn.
I’d rather Richards (overpaid) + Schenn then this team without Schenn.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 22, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Proposed trade by an Avs fan. Does this sound reasonable? “Stastny & 2nd round pick for Bernier and Schenn.”
by ThickSkinnedAlive on Jun 22, 2011 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Interesting
He knows we don’t have Bernier right?
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 22, 2011 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Ah
then that’s irrelevent to me.
I still don’t think LA gives up Schenn regardless. His value is sky high right now.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 22, 2011 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions
LA doesn’t even contemplate a trade for a centre until they’ve taken a run at signing Brad Richards this summer.
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by Draglikepull on Jun 22, 2011 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions
True but $6.6M, like you said, isn’t cheap and not easy to fit under your cap.
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It is for COL. And TOR.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 22, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
I would gladly take on that contract for anyone on the team not named Kessel, Schenn, or Reimer. And possibly Kulie.
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by Draglikepull on Jun 22, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
If Colorado GM Greg Sherman is at all determined to unload Stastny’s contract…
…Then at the very least we’d need to include Macarthur’s rights in that deal.
There are 28 other teams in the leauge Howard!!!! Do you honestly think that Colorado couldn’t start a crazy bidding war for Stastny?
CGY didn't for Phaneuf.
But that was Sutter lol
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 22, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
If all it takes is Kadri, Gunnarsson and a late first I wish Nazem and Carl the absolute best in Colorado.
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An actual elite player is a whole let better than a guy we hope could carry the load.
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Can trades be made today or tomorrow?
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Trades can be made at anytime technically… I believe the “Trade deadline” is just the deadline to trade players who can participate in that year’s playoffs.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 22, 2011 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
You can’t make trades at any point between 40 days from the end of the regular season and whenever your season comes to an end.
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May 8, 2011
To New York Rangers Oscar Lindberg
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To Phoenix Coyotes Ethan Werek
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011%E2%80%9312_NHL_transactions
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 22, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
It's this part im confused with
between 40 days from the end of the regular season and whenever your season comes to an end.
Never heard of that 40 days part… and pretty sure May 8th is less than 40 days after regular season ended, no? Maybe im getting confused by the wording
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 22, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
The trade deadline is always 40 days before the last day of the regular season. i may have worded that badly before.
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Ah
yes i was interpreting it wrong, my bad.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 22, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Not to delve too much deeper (because I misread your original comment)
But what about this one?
Trade deadline: Feb 28, 2011
Wild deal Peter Kalus to Jackets
Tuesday, 03.01.2011 / 6:26 PM / News NHL.com 0
The Minnesota Wild announced Tuesday that they have traded minor-league forward Petr Kalus to the Columbus Blue Jackets for future considerations.
http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=554759
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 22, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Pretty sure Feb 28
Transactions completed prior to the trade deadline
Monday, 02.28.2011 / 6:03 PM / 2011 Trade Deadline NHL.com 0
Share NEW YORK — NHL clubs made 16 trades involving 35 players today prior to the 3 p.m., ET, trade deadline.
http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=554615
Maybe it was just a late processing or didn’t make the proper time for a news release.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 22, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
You can make a trade after the deadline you just can’t dress that player on your roster I thought.
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I thought that was waiver claims… maybe same thing
by WizardofNaz on Jun 22, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes. You can make any transactions (like signing European free agents) but they are not eligible for the playoffs. However, there seems to be an unwritten rule about not trading NHL players after the trade deadline if not an actual rule.
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I think it’s just not done a lot because:
1. Teams in the playoffs have greater concerns.
2. Teams in the playoffs won’t want to make a move and give up a guy they could use for someone they can’t.
3. Teams out of the playoffs won’t want to move players in a restricted market.
You see little deals during the playoffs from time to time; minor league swaps between teams.
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You see little deals during the playoffs from time to time; minor league swaps between teams.
That makes this make a lot more sense now:
Wild deal Peter Kalus to Jackets
Tuesday, 03.01.2011 / 6:26 PM / News NHL.com 0
The Minnesota Wild announced Tuesday that they have traded minor-league forward Petr Kalus to the Columbus Blue Jackets for future considerations.
http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=554759
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 22, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 22, 2011 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Key words were “Whenever YOUR season comes to an end” I believe
That being said the league usually frowns upon them because it effects the teams still going if they can’t make trades they can’t get in on potential bidding.
by WizardofNaz on Jun 22, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Laperriere over Emery for the Masterton? Interesting.
He didn’t even play this year though.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jun 22, 2011 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=369660
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jun 22, 2011 1:41 PM EDT reply actions
HES CLOSE TO SIGNING AN OFFER SHEET WITH THE LEAFS DUH
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so quiet around here. i take it everyone is in mourning.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jun 22, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
We’re Leafs fans, we’ve had plenty of practice.
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by Draglikepull on Jun 22, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
There are a surprising number of people posting after that article who really did think Stamkos was coming to the Leafs. How strange.
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by Draglikepull on Jun 22, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m wondering how much Stamkos is going to get with this deal (assuming it happens of course). If there’s no deal by July 1, a LOT of teams probably put up offer sheets (not just the Leafs)…and I’d have to assume he’d take the largest one…
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Really loving that chart on puckineh. If we look for players who have at least three of speed, shot, puckhandling, or passing, we’re left with:
Rocco Grimaldi, Oscar Klefbom, Scott Mayfield, Jonathon Miller, Joe Morrow, Vladislav Namestnikov, Viktor Rask, Ty Rattie, Brandon Saad.
Two:
Joel Armia, Jonas Brodin, Nicklas Jensen, Tomas Jurco, Alex Kokhlachev, Connor Murphy, Zack Phillips.
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Oddly enough, Puempel doesn’t make the list, as his only strength as listed by PuckinEh is his shot (though his team-leading 69 points in 55 OHL games might suggest it’s a very good strength).
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Don’t forget about its passive defense to crushing attacks and boarding.
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Oh Doctor Kevin McGran is being taken to school on Twitter by Chemmy, 67 Sound, Godd Till, and PPP.
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Has McGran always been such a mittenstringer or is this a recent phenomenon? I don’t remember him being so douchey before
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by T is for Truculence on Jun 22, 2011 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Seems more recent, to me anyway.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 22, 2011 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
That article from “The Hockey Writers” was kind of stupid- forgive me if any of you wrote it.
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Another kid I’ve heard a lot about is Ryan Murray. Defenseman for the Everett Silvertips, has decent numbers and size, I would definitely take a flyer on him in rounds 3 or 4.
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=120014
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Also Michael St. Croix
of the Edmonton Oil Kings
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=117651
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by happiergilmore on Jun 22, 2011 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Also, the guys at ILWT did a late round (3-7) mock and came up with a bunch more intriguing names
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by happiergilmore on Jun 22, 2011 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Just read that
We need to draft Hellberg for name alone.
Hellberg makes the save and passes it to McKegg!
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I’ve heard Troy Vance’s name pop up in several places now.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 22, 2011 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions
If size isn’t an issue (ie. drafting Grimaldi) I’d give this kid a look late as well.
TJ Tynan, Freshman at Notre Dame and put up 54 points in 45 games. He’s 5’8 156.
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=123417
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by happiergilmore on Jun 22, 2011 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions
REIMER
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Reimer finished T13 for calder with eberle, three 5th place votes
We all knew he wasn’t coming close to winning, but getting any votes at all is pretty good. Must have made an impression on a few people.
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Sucks though that neither him nor Kadri are eligible to win the Calder next yr when they tear it up.
by ThickSkinnedAlive on Jun 22, 2011 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Who really cares about the Calder, as long as they’re tearing it up.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 22, 2011 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Counterpoint
Raycroft won the Calder.
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jun 22, 2011 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions
'xactly.
Fuck the Calder.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 22, 2011 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions
7 out of 11. Not bad. Did not see Lidstrom getting the Norris though.
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Also by being a 62 point player (2 less than Kessel) as a defenseman.
Weber had 56 points, Chara 44.
And yes I know it’s the best “defender” not offensive defenseman, but points sure help.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 22, 2011 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions
He had a spectacular season, especially for carrying the load when Getzlaf went down.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 22, 2011 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions
For anyone who listened to the Fan590... lot of axes in the business lately
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by thenumber14 on Jun 22, 2011 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Wait which one was that again
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by T is for Truculence on Jun 22, 2011 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions
They just showed plays of the year
and not a single leaf? The only thing featuring a leaf was when Thomas robbed Beacheman in overtime.
How could they leave out some of Grabovski’s goals? Weird. Grabovski’s game winner where he went through 2 boston players and then fooled Thomas was beautiful. Or even the shootout move.
That one where he deked out half the Bruins and then roofed it on Thomas was glorious. Can’t argue with the Thomas save on Beauchemin though, that was ridiculous.
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by Draglikepull on Jun 22, 2011 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions
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ANY one who EATS a 90 MPH Frozen rubber disc with his mouth and then in less than 60 Days Blocks another 90+ MPH Frozen rubber disc with an EYE ….
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Except he didn’t play at all this year. At all. I love the guy but did they give it to him for surviving? For not officially retiring? If he comes back next year, they should’ve given it to him then. if he retires next year, they could still give it to him then. The Masterson is not usually something to argue over but I am a little puzzled over it this year.
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