City of Toronto: THE SUCKIEST SUCKS THAT EVER SUCKED
ESPN is a lot of things but boring is not one of them. They are masters of promotion and know which buttons to press in order to attract attention. The ultimate standings that they have produced over the last nine years is always an excellent piece of linkbait and this year's is no different. For anti-Leafs fans and those that hate the city of Toronto on principle who are always looking for something new with which to bludgeon Leafs fans and residents of Toronto over the head it was a boon.
Not only were the Leafs ranked 120th out of 122 professional franchises in North America but the Raptors, Blue Jays, and Maple Leafs gave the city of Toronto the lowest average score of every city with more than one professional franchise. Andrew McKay was the hardy soul that compiled the city rankings (not that you would know from Kenyon Wallace's article...oops). Needless to say, Brian Burke was less than impressed:
"I don’t think ESPN knows squat about Canada. I don’t think they know squat about hockey."
On the one hand, both of those statements are absolutely correct. On the other, it sures seems like Burke is worked up over things that we'll see over the jump really aren't a big deal.
MLSE's soon to be retired President *pause for celebratory cheers* also had some choice words:
"To think that the Leafs are 120th just has no credibility with me at all. It completely dismisses the whole survey, in my mind."
Forget the end result, just take a look at the methodology behind the rankings and you can probably come up with a few red flags. 69,000 respondents just represents 565 per team on average, a large part of the rankings are based on subjective categories and rankings, and the bang for the buck rankings are opaque and, maybe it's their description, they don't seem to take into account that the leagues have salary caps. So without further ado, let's delve a little deeper into these rankings:
Bang For The Buck (BNG): Wins during the past three years (regular season plus postseason) per revenues directly from fans, adjusted for league schedules.
While I'd like for the process to be more open I don't think there's much to argue about the ranking. I mean, other than the pretty big problem that no matter how much revenue a team earns they can only spend as much as the salary cap. That means that if there were two teams with identical records over the past three years and had spent to the cap all three years that the team in the smaller market would for some random reason be rewarded. Which is why rankings like Derek Zona's that are based on Marginal Cap Efficiency and provide rolling averages and even a Marginal Floor Efficiency that looks at a general manager's ability to extract value of the money spent above the salary floor are much more useful. Of course, the Leafs still stink by any measure.
Stadium Experience (STX): Quality of arena and game-day promotions as well as friendliness of environment.
I'm no big fan of the Air Canada Centre. It was designed for basketball and in some areas it's pretty clear that's true. It ranked 21st in the NHL and 81st overall. Now, I know Greg Brady will cheer this ranking but the Leafs finished 30th in the NHL and 120th overall in terms of fan promotions, contests, giveaways. I've been to a handful of stadiums but they all seem par for the course. Seems like this is a ranking that suffers when a team is losing. The final sub-category measure the fan-friendly environment at games which had the team ranked 30th in the NHL and 117th overall. Again, seems like something that teams get hammered on by angry fans. They should have polled opposition fans. The ACC would have been ranked # 1: you get to invade the arena at will and you always get to see your team win.
Affordability (AFF): Price of tickets, parking and concessions.
And here is where teams are punished for having a lot of fans with money. The weaker the fanbase and the less willing that that miniscule fanbase is willing to spend the better. A great measure is the Fan Cost Index which can be seen in more detail here.
Fan Relations (FRL): Openness and consideration toward fans by players, coaches and management.
The Leafs finished 29th in the NHL which seems weirder when you break it down. In professionalism on and off the field the Leafs were 30th in NHL and 85th overall. Now, I am going to go ahead and call absolute bullshit on this ranking. There are teams ranked ahead of the Leafs that have players that in the recent past have: stolen teammate's wife (San Antonio), been the dirtiest player in the NHL (Pittsburgh), possibly murder a witness (Indianapolis Colts), abandoned a pregnant girlfriend for a new supermodel (New England), and the worst person alive (Miami Heat). And that's just off the top of my head in the top quarter of the list. And the Leafs? A team full of God-fearing kids that any mother would love to see stroll through her front door on the arm of her daughter.
Apparently the Leafs' don't appreciate the fans either but they tell us we're great on Twitter all of the time so there's another flaw in this ranking. Accessibility ranked 30th which probably pissed Brian Burke off since he forces his players to make so many public appearances. And the final piece of the pie? The likability of the players which saw the Leafs finish 29th in the NHL and 106th overall. All you need to know about this ranking is that the Canucks finished 10th and 26th despite icing the most loathesome group of people since (insert group of people that you really hate) and the Bruins were 19th and 56th despite having attempted murderer Zdeno Chara in their lineup.
Ownership (OWN): Honesty and loyalty to core players and local community.
Yeah, ownership stinks. The funny thing is that Burke's efforts to be the most player friendly GM in hockey history have not borne fruit as the team was ranked 99th in loyalty and 109th in honesty. The "Committed to community and will not leave ranking" made me laugh. The Leafs are behind two teams that declared bankrupty w(Ottawa and Buffalo), Pittsburgh who constantly threatened implicitly and explicitly to leave. I could probably find an Oilers fan or two that might chuckle at the Oilers' ownership outranking the Leafs' by 29 spots too.
Title Track (TTR): Championships already won or expected in the lifetime of current fans.
Head scratcher: Cleveland Cavaliers 87th, Toronto Maple Leafs 110th. Have some people really not heard about The Decision?
The best part of this kind of poll? It gives politicians something to grandstand with. At least Bob Rae was funny:
"Well," the Toronto Centre MP said, "when I was Premier the Blue Jays won the World Series twice. This is not a coincidence."
The real crime is that the multi-championship winning Toronto Rock are excluded as are the oldest professional sports team in the city the Toronto Argonauts. That just SCREAMS bias...or screams BIAS. Anyway, at the end of the day, Tom Anselmi got to the crux of the issue:
"Sports is cyclical, there’s no doubt about it. All four of our teams are coming out of a bottom right now. If you look at the early part of the decade, from 2000-04, the Leafs and Raptors were both doing really well."
Turns out, he's basically right. When the Toronto Maple Leafs were Stanley Cup contenders a lot of the subjective rankings were much better. The team once called the most hated team in the NHL ranked as the 58th most likable, the Stadium Experience that almost literally has not changed was 44th in North America and the same Ownership group that is the worst thing ever was 48th best in the rankings. Funny how that works eh? Obviously the Jays and Maple Leafs are in the midst of rebuilding their underachieving teams. Fanbases of both teams and neutral observers are impressed to varying degrees with the work that has been done. So while it's undoubtedly a tough time to be a sports fan in Toronto there is a light at the end of the tunnel. Whether we get there is another matter but at least these standings should improve.
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by Chemmy on Jun 22, 2011 1:05 PM EDT reply actions 9 recs
I vehemently disagree with this statement.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jun 22, 2011 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
STX: The problem with Rogers Centre is it always seems so crowded. I’d prefer some of those friendlier rinks where there’s room to arrange your coats and popcorn on the empty seats next to you. Plus, if you have friends visiting from out of town its easy to get them seats close to you. The Leafs don’t seem to understand that.
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Assume you meant ACC
Rogers definitely has coats / popcorn room.
Yeah
Stupid interchangeable corporate arena names.
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by Back In Black on Jun 22, 2011 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions
From the Kenyon Wallace article
We might have 11 Stanley Cup wins
It’s THIRTEEN Stanley Cup wins!
"We are all agreed that your theory is crazy. The question that divides us is whether it is crazy enough to have a chance of being correct."
- Niels Bohr
Yeah, as everyone knows, titles won in the World War One era, under different ownership, count just as much as those won under the current franchise flag.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jun 22, 2011 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions
if it’s the same franchise it is
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 22, 2011 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed. Therefore given that the 1917 Blushirts were a distinctly different franchise than the 1918 Torontos, which were different from the 1919 Arenas, which were different from the 1920 St. Pats, then we can accurately state that the Maple Leafs franchise has won 12 Stanley Cups, to go along with the Torontos’ lone Cup in 1918 and the Cup won by the Blueshirts in 1914.
Thus, the city of Toronto has been host to the winners of 14 Stanley Cups, of which the Leafs can claim a dozen. After all, the franchise known as the St. Pats was purchased by Conn Smythe and left intact, with only a name change to mark the new ownership.
In short, why stop at 13? Why not say that the Leafs have won 14 Cups, since the relationship between the 1914 Cup winners and the 1918 Cup winners is as tenuous as the relationship between the 1918 and 1920 teams.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jun 22, 2011 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I think a distinction is made between pre-NHL and post-NHL Cups. The NHL has long-contended that the Toronto franchise has 13 Cups… (though, they do note the footnote that the Blueshirts won the 1914 Cup.)
http://www.nhl.com/league/ext/pdf/Total_Stanley_Cup_2011_v7_INDEX.pdf (see page 4)
I don’t disagree, though… if Montreal can count 1916, why can’t the Leafs claim 1914?
This is the way I see it. If Ottawa wants to claim any of the old cups they can maybe claim the one in the 30s. Not the 3 one in 4 days in 1910 (or whenever that was) though.
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I don’t think the Senators franchise can’t claim any of them.
If the NHL has always claimed that there’s a continuity between the 1918 Arenas, the 1922 St. Pat’s, and the Leafs, why is this number (11 vs. 13) seemingly always in dispute?
Agreed. The Senators have won zero Cups, unless you count those won by a different franchise, before they went bankrupt and dropped out of the league.
So why is it different for the 1918 team that won the Cup while being located in Toronto? Did that franchise not fold and was it not replaced in 1918 by another franchise, owned by the Arena Company? And didn’t that franchise not then fold and was it not replaced with a new franchise that would later change its name to the St Pats?
Just because the NHL claims continuity, does not change the events of 1918-1920.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jun 23, 2011 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions
From Wikipedia (I understand, grain of salt):
“On December 13, 1919, the NHL, under the direction of Frank Calder transferred the Toronto franchise, this time to the Toronto St. Pats group, for the fee of $5,000. While the money was to go to Eddie Livingstone to settle his NHA club, it never was received by Mr. Livingstone and appears to have been appropriated by Mr. Calder.5 The incorporation date of the club was December 22, 1919, and listed Fred Hambly, Percy Hambly, Paul Ciceri and Charlie Querrie with 99 shares each, and Richard Greer with 4 shares.”
A franchise transfer seems to imply continuity…
“The incorporation date of the club was December 22, 1919”
versus
“The Leafs won the Cup in 1918”
Infer continuity if you like, but I’ll stick with the dates provided in your quote.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jun 23, 2011 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions
I should, shouldn’t I?
Point is, the writer was wrong and anyone who shortchanges the Leafs on their 1922 Cup is either Leaf-baiting or just plain dumb.
It’s TWELVE Stanley Cup wins!
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jun 23, 2011 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Honestly, I’m wondering if there’s a (perhaps important) distinction here between “franchise” and “club.”
Leagues decide these things all the time, though: the Cleveland Browns got to keep their old Cleveland Browns records, even they now play in Baltimore.
Here’s the crux of my argument:
The St. Pats were a franchise in a lower-level league throughout the war years, ostensibly competing for the Allan Cup. Had they not won the rights to an NHL franchise in Toronto for the 1919-1920 season (basically an expansion team situation), they would have continued to compete at the same level, for the inaugural Memorial Cup.
So back in the Spring of 1918, when vying for a chance at the Allan Cup, a different team who also happened to be in Toronto, were simultaneously competing for (and winning) the Stanley Cup.
Had the St. Pats made the finals that season, then we would have had a team from Toronto winning the Allan Cup roughly the same week as a different team from Toronto was winning the Stanley Cup.
Had they won the Allan Cup, things would not be this murky, since everyone would agree that the 1918 Toronto St. Pats were indeed a different hockey club than the 1918 Torontos (or Blueshirts or Arenas or whatever you want to call the inaugural NHL champions).
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jun 23, 2011 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Well it is generous of you to allow the Sens to claim the “one” in the 30s, but what about the other three in the 20s? They came after the Torontos’ Cup and the St. Pats’ Cup, let alone the Blueshirts’ Cup from the Challenge era.
But my point is that the Senators have zero Cups, just the same as the Leafs have 12. Not 13, not 14, but an even dozen.
So every time one of you fine folks feels the need to point out how every Sens fan claims the 4 NHL-era Cups for this new Ottawa franchise, it might be nice if at least some of you acknowledge that just as many Leafs fans are willing to state publicly, without a hint of irony, that excluding the 1918 championship due to it having been won by a different franchise is enough to “drive them insane”.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jun 23, 2011 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Clarify: I wrote “drive me insane” because I think the writers do know that the NHL recognizes 13 Cups and deliberately short-change them — not because I think the writers disagree on 1918 and 1922. But, often it’s because, I think Damien Cox is the culprit.
I respect your opinion. It’s rather thought out, but I think so much of 11 vs. 13 is Leafs-baiting.
Well on the point of whether writers engage in as much Leafs-baiting as they are accused of doing by the people around these parts, I should probably just keep silent. You guys think everyone’s always out to get you ;-)
And for any writer to say that the Leafs have fewer than 12 titles to their name is some very poor reporting, so don’t believe anyone who tells you that I am defending this Wallace guy.
But I will, with my last dying breath, point out the lack of any distinction between those who claim the 1918 Cup was won by the Leafs, and those who claim that the Senators won any Cups at all in the 20s and 30s.
Neither franchise was in existence at the time of those titles.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jun 23, 2011 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions
in our defence
everyone is always out to get us. If ind tinfoil keeps their mind-control rays out very effectively though.
I want 1967ers here to confirm this.
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Don’t we all.
But what are ya gonna do? These young whippersnappers just breeze in and out of the office whenever the mood suits them. Relying on them is pure folly. I’d suggest changing the culture of this room by moving out the subversive youth elements and reconstructing the team around a more suitable veteran presence.
I know it it sounds like I’m angling for an interview for myself, but unfortunately the wife would prefer to relocate to a more Southern clime. And besides, my choice for Leaf of the Day would always come down to a coin toss between Sittler and Palmateer, so you’re better off with a candidate whose catalogue contains a little more variance. Plus I’m just as likely as Spezza (or a young and immature Mike Richards), to giggle when reading the word “titles”, simply because it reminds me of “titties”, so I’m not your man.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jun 24, 2011 2:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Both Toronto sports facilities are subpar if you ask me.
ACC – hardly anyone is paying attention to the game. Either due to crappy play on a particular night, or genuine disinterest.
RC – Same, but when you get into the game fans around you tell you to quiet down. They enjoy their baseball in peace and silence with interspersed clapping.
In some ways, I envy the Bell Centre, then I remember who plays in it and…fuck that place man.
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I think a lot of the intentional presentation at the ACC is detrimental to the game atmosphere. Things obviously get worse when the team stinks, but even lately, if the crowd ever does get into the swing of things, it’s only a matter of time before they get interrupted by some jumbotron video of Carlton on some adventure that has nothing to do with the game, or some attention-sucking giveaway. In-arena entertainment has value, but the ACC’s execution of it is terrible.
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by puckurgently on Jun 22, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions
In Boston for the Cup Final there were no giveaways. No in game host. Nothing but fans going nuts.
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In the playoffs
Being the operative words. I agree that it would be nice for the Leafs to cut down on that crap.
Between the Dome and the ACC, Toronto fans probably have the most ads/giveaways thrown at them per game in North America.
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I don’t even necessarily have a problem with them doing that sponsorship stuff, just save the parts unrelated to the game for intermission. That’s when we could use something to kill the time. I think we can manage from whistle to faceoff without having to be pulled out of it to hear about a time Carlton and Monika showed up at a Pizza Pizza and mild wackiness ensued.
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by puckurgently on Jun 22, 2011 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I remember in MLG they’d keep us entertained during a commercial break by playing organ music and having the mickey mouse hands on the scoreboard clap. I also wore an onion around my belt, as was the style at the time.
In conclusion, this is somehow technology’s fault.
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by thenumber14 on Jun 22, 2011 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, and they didn’t have white onions because of the war. The only thing you could get was those big yellow ones…
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that was back in nineteen tickety two, we had to use tickety because the Kaiser had stolen our word twenty.
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by thenumber14 on Jun 22, 2011 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions
well
No Toronto team has played in a final since 1993, all 3 teams rarely make the playoffs, and it does cost a lot to go to a game. To be fair, based on performance Toronto teams should be about 120th out of 122. Makes sense.
based on performance the Leafs are the second most successful NHL franchise of all time
suck on that negatron
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 22, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Right
Which is what it says up there if you bothered to read it.
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It’s the minor league ballgame effect. Selling a minor league ballgame is a tough chore; keeping people interested in the game is even tougher. So they have random crap strewn throughout the game like free pizza giveaways, dancing mascots in giant foam costumes, hot dog races around the bases, etc….. Hell look at the Las Vegas Wranglers and all of their “special nights” like Charlie Sheen night, or wearing prisoner and prison guard uniforms. The lower the level of competition, the higher the level of additional crap thrown on as entertainment.
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That shit usually has a way of killing crowd noise.
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ugh especially the " yell louder then the other sections" game.
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Ugh. That’s like the wave squared.
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by puckurgently on Jun 22, 2011 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I think that when the games are good and matter the atmosphere is great. I went to two games there this year, one where we got blown out around Christmas by the Thrashers, and then one during our “run” where we came back to beat Buffalo. Not even the same rink. The Buffalo game was the best atmosphere I’ve ever experienced in a game and that’s compared to all the Leafs-Sens games I’ve been to in Ottawa where the crowd is 50:50.
OWN: The Oklahoma City Thunder (23) demonstrated their loyalty (to Oklahoma City) by leaving Seattle, where they’d been for 40 seasons. Hey, you don’t turn your back on your wife of 40 years unless you’re really loyal to your mistress. Phoenix Coyote ownership (that’d be the league) is also clearly much more loyal to that community and not at all interested in moving than the Leafs could ever be (54 vs. 99).
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by Back In Black on Jun 22, 2011 1:25 PM EDT reply actions 5 recs
Burke bristled the first time he was asked the question on Monday — while he was lying down donating blood as part of a team-backed blood drive at the Air Canada Centre. He was asked at least two more times before the end of his availability to reporters.
i hope there is video of this
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by Future_considerations on Jun 22, 2011 1:27 PM EDT reply actions
Who the fuck asks a question designed to get a rise out of someone while they’re donating blood?
Charge that asshole with attempted murder then punch them in the dick
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by clrkaitken on Jun 22, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Increased blood pressure means faster donation. The interviewer was doing it for the sake of the blood’s recipients. And also to get Burke back to working the phones to get us our unicorn.
On a side note, I was at this event in highschool. Donate blood, watch a Leafs practice. Kaberle flipped pucks into the stands afterwards and my friend caught one and gave it to me.
by potvin vs hextall on Jun 22, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
the mental image of burke lying down with a needle sticking out of his arm along with a “what the fuck did you just ask?” furrowed brow look, is mind blowing
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by Future_considerations on Jun 22, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d think if you asked that question, the needle would pop out and end up across the room somewhere…lol.
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exactly lol
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by Future_considerations on Jun 22, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Burke “Oh, since I just donated some blood and you asked me a stupid question, I’m just going to replenish my blood with yours. Wendel? a little help?”
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by PPP on Jun 22, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That is so beyond innaproptiate
There are not even words
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by BCapp on Jun 22, 2011 5:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I didn’t know you guys were looking for new writers
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 22, 2011 1:28 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I like that the Browns are right by the Leafs
I know that my torture is not just me.
Also, Burke is not honest? Isn’t his biggest criticism that he’s too outspoken and honest? That’s why I love the guy. He could dress up his comments (or himself even) but he can’t be bothered.
Eh, these rankings things are silly.
Hell no, what's up dog?
I don’t know much about ESPN other than watching it on the TV we got at my house. My mom recorded a couple of shows on there and I watch em.

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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 22, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
TTR
Back in 2003, I the Leafs ranked 22nd out of 30 in the TTR category. In 2003, the Leafs were contenders, but were still behind Carolina, Minnesota, Ottawa, Florida, San Jose, Vancouver, LA, St. Louis, Columbus — all of those teams had not yet won titles and given the Leafs were contenders at the time, I don’t see how all these teams that haven’t won titles ever (and other than Carolina STILL haven’t won a title) could have been seen as ahead of the Leafs in that category in 2003. This ranking system has been useless from the very beginning.
by Papa Squid on Jun 22, 2011 1:39 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Excellent
That’s what everyone should say.
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BNG: you would have to pay me to go to a professional football game, so how does that affect the ranking? I guess ESPN has to write about something…
by Leaf in Habland on Jun 22, 2011 2:06 PM EDT reply actions
Indeed

Kulemin so hot right now, Kulemin.
by PassivelyTruculent on Jun 22, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Thanks ESPN – I’ll be sure to pack up my shit, flee the GTA and become a Blackhawks fan as soon as I get the chance.
by Self Destructive Zones on Jun 22, 2011 2:14 PM EDT reply actions
WOOO GO HAWKS GO! 2010 CUP CHAMPIONS WOOOO TOEWS <3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3
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by potvin vs hextall on Jun 22, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Great
Now I can’t unsee that
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
Thanks...
…for linking to a Yahoo Sports article where I unwisely read a few comments and got angry. Someone really needs to start a database of “Leaf fans” and “former Leaf fans” who spout out Coxian idiocies on message boards so that when the Leafs are successful we can refuse them a spot on the bandwagon.
The first comment I read was from a guy who is so angry that MLSE isn’t even trying to ice a good team that in protest he refuses to buy a “season pass”.
Someone really needs to start a database of "Leaf fans" and "former Leaf fans" who spout out Coxian idiocies on message boards so that when the Leafs are successful we can refuse them a spot on the bandwagon.
Sure but how are we going to afford the warehouse we’d have to rent to keep all the hard drives full of data?
Crazy would be NOT overanalyzing everything.
by nhlcheapshot on Jun 22, 2011 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions
A fuck. I still have not given one.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Jun 22, 2011 10:41 PM EDT reply actions
i’m surprised they can get away with not showing the full lightning logo…oh wait, I see how they got around that issue. sneaky sneaky marketing folk.
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by thenumber14 on Jun 22, 2011 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions
needs moar canadianmaple
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by Future_considerations on Jun 22, 2011 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions
They can ninja edit it when he signs the Leafs offer sheet
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