Which Leaf Will Get Inducted Into The Hall Of Fame?
by PPP on Jun 28, 2011 12:30 PM EDT
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PrintIt's that time of year again: Hall of Fame Inductees Day. The day where anyone with the barest connection to the Leafs' will have their accomplishments derided because the Hall is so Toronto-centric. Proof of that particular slur is that there are so many Leafs in the Hall of Fame. That couldn't have anything to do with the Leafs being one of six teams in the league or being the second most successful club of that period.
Let's forget that one of the top-five winningest goalies of all time still hasn't been inducted, that a great two-way centre that was dominant for a handful of seasons is still waiting for the hall, or that one of Canada's greatest heroes hasn't received the kind of bump in voting that one would expect comes from such a corrupt voting process. Then there was the truly unforgivable and still unbelievable decision when Pat Burns was not selected for induction last year despite the mental midgets on the committee being well aware of his battle with cancer that would eventually see him pass away in November.
This year's class of Hall-eligible former NHLers (not exhaustive) includes a number with connections to the Maple Leafs. Down Goes Brown had a great post last year about Bure and Gilmour who both missed being inducted. If I had to choose four (and let's pretend we have to) players that would be announced tomorrow at 3pm it would be: Doug Gilmour, Joe Nieuwendyk, Ed Belfour, Eric Lindros (or Pavel Bure in the "Guy that would have been all-time great if not for injuries" category). And of course, Pat Burns.
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Just my take...
I am as blue and white bleeding, habs hating, Clark worshipping Leafs fan as everyone else here, but if Doug Gilmour gets into the HHOF on the first try, there is something seriously wrong with the process.
I acknowledge what a “emotional” lynchpin he was for all of is in the early 90’s, but based on points/cups/awards alone, he has the weakest stats sheet of all the leaf-based candidates on the list.
All the same, I wish him and all of them luck. To be the one who didn’t make it from a list of players like that is nothing to be ashamed of.
It’s not the first try. Feel better?
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by Back In Black on Jun 28, 2011 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
It's his second try
I think he’s third on that list in terms of candidacy ahead of CuJo who I neglected to add.
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is it only his 2nd?
He retired after 2002-03… that was 9 years ago… he’s been eligible since the Summer of 2006… that would make this his 6th try wouldn’t it?
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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jun 28, 2011 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions
That DGB article is spectacular
by Self Destructive Zones on Jun 28, 2011 12:57 PM EDT reply actions
Believe it or not
Bure: Has more 58+ goal seasons than Brett Hull or Rocket Richard.
Gilmour: Has more career playoff points than Steve Yzerman or Mario Lemieux.
Ciccarelli: Has more Hall of Fame plaques than Doug Gilmour or Pavel Bure.
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by theninjagreg on Jun 28, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
ROFL
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 28, 2011 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Stu Barnes
is a sure fire first ballot inductee.
by ThickSkinnedAlive on Jun 28, 2011 1:33 PM EDT reply actions
Uhhh
That picture is amazing. NO ONE KNOWS IT IS A GOAL YET!
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1600 career points ( regular season and playoffs) , Stanley Cup, Canada Cup, Selke Trophy and a sweet milk commercial. What isn’t hall of fame about that?
by KyleEvanswastaken on Jun 28, 2011 1:45 PM EDT reply actions
Gilmour is the best player, eligible, not in. The line starts behind him. And if video game ability was factored in, he is the best player of all time.
Phil Housley :(
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by daoust on Jun 28, 2011 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Shit, I thought I was the only one.
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by blindfolded tank driver on Jun 28, 2011 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I voted Belfour, but I think both he and Nieuwendyk are getting in this year as players for sure, I’m still not sure about Burns after all, where’s the rush this year?
Dougie will have to wait a bit longer I think.
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I’m not saying he isn’t deserving but I think (but hope I’m wrong) he’ll have the “didn’t accomplish anything” on him becuase of his time with the Leafs and some (putting on my tinfoil hat) views that can be skewed by that
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I would say Nieuwendyk deserves it more but not by much. I don’t see why they can’t both get in.
by KyleEvanswastaken on Jun 28, 2011 1:50 PM EDT reply actions
Come on!
1474 games played: 450 goals, 964 assists, 1414 points.
11 straight 20+ goals seasons
3 100+ point seasons
17th All-time Regular Season Points
12th All-time Regular Season Assists
16th All-time Games Played
Playoff Stats:
182 games played, 60 goals, 128 assists, 188 points.
7th All-time Playoff Points (tied with Joe Sakic)
24th All-time Playoff Games Played
5th All-time Playoff Assists
13 Playoff Game Winning Goals
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 28, 2011 1:51 PM EDT reply actions
Plus he was super nice to me when I met him
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 28, 2011 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
..and when the local high school production of Aladdin lost it’s lead actor to mono, who do you think stepped in to play the part?
Dougie Gilmour.
by Jo4nny on Jun 28, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
This could be an all-Leafs HHOF year
The limit is 4 players, but they don’t always use that, if Bure doesn’t get in we very well could be seeing: Belfour, Nieuwendyk, Gilmour, (longshot) Andreychuk in as players and Burns in as a Builder
imagine the time had at THAT HHOF game in November
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would the HHOF game be Nov 5th (BOS) or 12th (OTT), or do I have the wrong month in mind?
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Bos is the HHOF game according to TSN.
by Nigel Cadbury on Jun 28, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Burns will get in
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 28, 2011 1:56 PM EDT reply actions
Remember that time we all though the HOF would do the sensible thing by inducting an NHL legend who was terminally ill?
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 28, 2011 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, but now they are going to do the “righting the wrongs” thing
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 28, 2011 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think they put Burns in yet. Too much backlash doing it the very next year after his death. I voted Nieuwendyk but who the hell knows really.
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The right move at this point would be to ask the family, and vote accordingly.
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About that.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 28, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Well let's see
Do Lindreos’ and Bure’s injuries affect anything? Do voters care that Housley was good but a floater and had lots of holes in his play?
Me, I go Burns, Gilmour, Nieuwendyk
Agree with that list completely.
Lindros was the best in the league for a short period, but did he do enough and act with the kind of class that deserve to be anointed into hockey sainthood? These are the greatest players to ever wear skates. I don’t think Lindros exemplified the qualities necessary for this. Refusing to play for two teams matters when it comes to this stuff. Or at least it should!
Bure, he might have been top 5 to ever don hockey equipment had he not blown up his knees. He deserves a fair shake, but even he is on the cusp. Woulda, coulda and shoulda are not categories that are easy to pin down so I think he waits a few years before getting a sniff. He might be in there, in the end.
Pat Lafontaine got in, and he was firmly in the “would’ve been even greater” if he didn’t have all those concussions category
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by T is for Truculence on Jun 28, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Pat Lafontaine played almost 2 full seasons more than Bure and scored over 1000 points in 865 games, which is a scoring rate per game far superior to Bure.
One could argue that Lafontaine was around long enough and did enough to make it to the HOF on his time spent in the NHL alone. Bure might need some help from the “potential” he had, is all I’m saying. Hard to nail that down.
*potential?
Bure is in the top 25 in NHL PPG in history. He is one of 10 players in NHL history with 5 or more 50 goal seasons. Every other player in that group is already in the HHOF.
He is one of 8 players in NHL history with more than one 60 goal season. Every other player in that group is already in the HHOF.
He is one of 20 players with 8 or more seasons with over 0.5 goals per game. He and Teemu Selanne are the only players in that group not yet in the HHOF.
Arguing that he needs help from his “potential” is absurd.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jun 28, 2011 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions
oh and
he was a PPG player or better in 4 of his 5 years in the playoffs, and he carried Vancouver to the SCF as a 22 year old.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jun 28, 2011 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions
It sucks for Bure that somehow he misses out on the Neely Injury boost.
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he shouldn't even need the boost
he deserves to be in the HHOF on the merits of everything he did irrespective of his injuries.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jun 28, 2011 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions
DOUGIE IN!
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 28, 2011 3:06 PM EDT reply actions
drosennhl Belfour, Gilmour, [Mark] Howe, Nieuwendyk are Hall of Famers.
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Somebody explain Mark Howe over Pat Burns to me
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by T is for Truculence on Jun 28, 2011 3:13 PM EDT reply actions
its a head scratcher
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by Future_considerations on Jun 28, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Because they weren't in competition
Howe was a player, Burns a “builder”.
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by Back In Black on Jun 28, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, like Bob Mackenzie said: By not inducting him this year they are trying to prove that last year wasn’t a mistake.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 28, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Which just makes them wrong two years in a row. Not sure that’s any better.
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Best case scenario
Nieuwendyk drunk dials Brad Richards’ agent and offers 10 years, $80MM, full NMC.
YEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 28, 2011 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Some day, someone is going to forget to title that image. That will be a bad day.
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by Five Minutes For Fighting on Jun 28, 2011 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Pavel Bure
deserves to be in the HHOF more than Mark Howe… that’s a bit of a travesty frankly.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
I have no problem with Mark Howe making it, but Bure definitely should go in.
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by blindfolded tank driver on Jun 28, 2011 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Mark Howe deserves his induction. Go after Ciccarelli – or Gillies for that matter – if you want if you want to find a travesty.
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by Back In Black on Jun 28, 2011 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions
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by Back In Black on Jun 28, 2011 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions
sure
Housley, Ciccarelli, Gillies, no way any should be in; nor MIke Gartner. Have to be more than one dimensional and be one of the best of your era for at least 5 years, which none of these guys were. Not amongst the best, all basically one-offs.
Here's a Q
How many true Leafs, drafted, developed and played for the Leafs, are in the Hall since the amateur draft really started?
Sittler, MacDonald, Salming I think. Anyone else?
By this standard, Gretzky wasn’t a true Oiler and Iginla isn’t a true Flame.
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by Back In Black on Jun 29, 2011 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions
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