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Using Win Threshold to Anticipate Next Season Part I

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Editor's Note: Ben Schnell with an interesting post on what the Leafs neeed to do in order to hit the magic mark of .550 that would see them into the playoffs. Probably.

A few weeks ago someone posted a link in the FTB to a blog called Brodeur is a Fraud which mulls over a series of goalie stats. Among these stats is one metric the blogger created, called Win Threshold. This post will be taking a look at the Leafs' projected win threshold, the win thresholds of the rest of the teams in the league, how we can expect their goalies to perform, and how the leafs should fare.

[In 2008/2009] the Detroit Red Wings had the league's best offence, scoring 3.52 goals per game. They also allowed the second fewest shots against per game with 27.7. On the other end of the scale, the New York Islanders finished second last in both goals for (2.42) and shots against (33.5) per game. Quite obviously an Islander goalie would need to be much better than a Red Wing goalie for their teams to have the same chance at winning, because he would have to make up for his team scoring one less goal per game and he would have to do it while facing an extra half-dozen shots against.

We can calculate what I'll call the "win threshold" for the goalies on each team by taking (shots against - goals for) / shots against. This gives us the save percentage that would result in the team ending up with an equal number of goals for and goals against over the course of the season. If the goalie's save percentage is above that number, the team is likely to win more than the lose, while anything below the threshold means that the team should end up sub-.500 (or sub-.550 in the shootout era).

Follow the jump for further information on Win Threshold, and my analysis on how it should pertain to the Leafs next year.

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Just to re-iterate the quoted portion, win threshold calculates the save percentage required--from a team, not their main goalie--to most likely attain a win percentage of > .550 (with shootout losses). Just for comparison sake, a 0.550% x a possible 164 points (82PG x 2) gives us 90 points.

To put these 90 points in perspective, it took 93 for the NY Rangers to gain the 8th spot in the East last year, though they could have gotten in with 92 points. This was substantially higher than 2009/2010, however, as both the Habs and the Flyers got in with 88 points. Thus, we will maintain the 0.550 win % as accurate, though the playoffs may actually require 0.561 (92 points).

With that said, let's have a look at the Shots Against, Goals For, and thus Win Threshold of each team from last year.

Team GP Pts GF GA SA/G Total SA Win Threshold
Vancouver 82 117 262 185 30.1 2468 0.894
Washington 82 107 224 197 29 2378 0.906
Philadelphia 82 106 259 223 30.1 2468 0.895
Pittsburgh 82 106 238 199 28.7 2353 0.899
San Jose 82 105 248 213 28.9 2370 0.895
Detroit 82 104 261 241 30.7 2517 0.896
Boston 82 103 246 195 32.7 2681 0.908
Tampa Bay 82 103 247 240 28.7 2353 0.895
Anaheim 82 99 239 235 32.3 2649 0.910
Nashville 82 99 219 194 30.6 2509 0.913
Phoenix 82 99 231 226 32.6 2673 0.914
Los Angeles 82 98 219 198 27.9 2288 0.904
Chicago 82 97 258 225 28.7 2353 0.890
Montreal 82 96 216 209 31 2542 0.915
Buffalo 82 96 245 229 30.7 2517 0.903
Dallas 82 95 227 233 30.5 2501 0.909
Calgary 82 94 250 237 28.5 2337 0.893
NY Rangers 82 93 233 198 29.4 2411 0.903
Carolina 82 91 236 239 33.2 2722 0.913
St Louis 82 87 240 234 27.7 2271 0.894
Minnesota 82 86 206 233 32 2624 0.921
Toronto 82 85 218 251 31 2542 0.914
New Jersey 82 81 174 209 26.2 2148 0.919
Columbus 82 81 215 258 29.8 2444 0.912
Atlanta 82 80 223 269 32.2 2640 0.916
Ottawa 82 74 192 250 31.2 2558 0.925
NY Islanders 82 73 229 264 32 2624 0.913
Florida 82 72 195 229 31.8 2608 0.925
Colorado 82 68 227 288 31.8 2608 0.913
Edmonton 82 62 193 269 31.7 2599 0.926

 

We'll just briefly look at a few things in that table.

  • First, while the Vancouver goalies put up really good numbers, whoever was voting for Luongo to win the Hart was out of his mind. The defense is a lot better than I ever realized, and the forwards are damned good at scoring--the team only needed 89.4% percentage for ~90 points.
  • Boston is a team that was clearly carried by their goalies. The teams are sorted by their total points, for a team so high on the list, their win threshold was 90.8%, which would rank them right in the middle at 15th.
  • Anaheim, Nashville, Phoenix, and Montreal were all also carried by their Vezina-callibre goalies, as they all finished in the bottom half for win threshold, at 17th, 19th, 23rd, and 25th respectively. Montreal was substantially the worst of the playoff teams for win threshold, and was carried by Carey.
  • Despite Chicago having the lowest win threshold (#1) in the league, they barely made the playoffs, mostly due to the terrible play of Mary Turco, and a mediocre-play of Corey Crawford (though Crawford was super good for a rookie).
  • St Louis is actually a pretty good team. They score lots of goals, and their defense is pretty good at eliminating shots. They just have terrible goalies. Jaroslav Halak put up an average .910 for a not too shabby 27-21-7 record, but Ty Conklin put up an atrocious .881 through 25 games, and Ben Bishop also hurt the team with a .899
  • Edmonton, Florida, and Ottawa had no hope winning games with the non-existent offense, and undefensive defense. 
  • Just to see how Toronto was expected to place based on the numbers, for 90 points Toronto required a Win Threshold of .914. Toronto's three goalies combined for 1134 SA (Reimer), 777 SA (Giguere) and 620 SA (Gustavson) with 0.921%, 0.900%, & 0.890% respectively.
    Doing the math gives us:
    = 1134(0.921)+777(0.9)+620(0.89)/(1134+777+620)
    = 1044.4+699.3+551.8/(2531)
    = 2295.5/2531
    = 0.907
    This save percentage is much smaller than what we needed, and is demonstrated by our 85 points (0.518 Win%)

If we take goalies out of the picture, and base our standings on Win Threshold (How good are the defense at preventing shots and how good are the forwards at scoring goals) this is the order we are left with:

Team GP Pts GF GA SA/G Total SA Win Threshold
Chicago 82 97 258 225 28.7 2353 0.890
Calgary 82 94 250 237 28.5 2337 0.893
Vancouver 82 117 262 185 30.1 2468 0.894
St Louis 82 87 240 234 27.7 2271 0.894
Tampa Bay 82 103 247 240 28.7 2353 0.895
Philadelphia 82 106 259 223 30.1 2468 0.895
San Jose 82 105 248 213 28.9 2370 0.895
Detroit 82 104 261 241 30.7 2517 0.896
Pittsburgh 82 106 238 199 28.7 2353 0.899
Buffalo 82 96 245 229 30.7 2517 0.903
NY Rangers 82 93 233 198 29.4 2411 0.903
Los Angeles 82 98 219 198 27.9 2288 0.904
Washington 82 107 224 197 29 2378 0.906
Boston 82 103 246 195 32.7 2681 0.908
Dallas 82 95 227 233 30.5 2501 0.909
Anaheim 82 99 239 235 32.3 2649 0.910
Columbus 82 81 215 258 29.8 2444 0.912
Nashville 82 99 219 194 30.6 2509 0.913
NY Islanders 82 73 229 264 32 2624 0.913
Colorado 82 68 227 288 31.8 2608 0.913
Carolina 82 91 236 239 33.2 2722 0.913
Phoenix 82 99 231 226 32.6 2673 0.914
Toronto 82 85 218 251 31 2542 0.914
Montreal 82 96 216 209 31 2542 0.915
Atlanta 82 80 223 269 32.2 2640 0.916
New Jersey 82 81 174 209 26.2 2148 0.919
Minnesota 82 86 206 233 32 2624 0.921
Ottawa 82 74 192 250 31.2 2558 0.925
Florida 82 72 195 229 31.8 2608 0.925
Edmonton 82 62 193 269 31.7 2599 0.926

Or if we only look at the Eastern Conference (as this is who we are in competition with), this is the order:

Rank Team GP Pts GF GA SA/G Total SA Win Threshold
1 Tampa Bay 82 103 247 240 28.7 2353 0.895
2 Philadelphia 82 106 259 223 30.1 2468 0.895
3 Pittsburgh 82 106 238 199 28.7 2353 0.899
4 Buffalo 82 96 245 229 30.7 2517 0.903
5 NY Rangers 82 93 233 198 29.4 2411 0.903
6 Washington 82 107 224 197 29 2378 0.906
7 Boston 82 103 246 195 32.7 2681 0.908
8 NY Islanders 82 73 229 264 32 2624 0.913
9 Carolina 82 91 236 239 33.2 2722 0.913
10 Toronto 82 85 218 251 31 2542 0.914
11 Montreal 82 96 216 209 31 2542 0.915
12 Atlanta 82 80 223 269 32.2 2640 0.916
13 New Jersey 82 81 174 209 26.2 2148 0.919
14 Ottawa 82 74 192 250 31.2 2558 0.925
15 Florida 82 72 195 229 31.8 2608 0.925

Of course goalies do count for something. Looking at the list, this is the reason Tampa Bay fell from 1st, and Boston, Montreal, and Washington all climbed higher that their respective positions. Buffalo and NY Rangers both eclipsed their Win Threshold, but not at as extreme a rate than the aforementioned teams.

In order to keep this post a reasonable length, continue on to Part II, which examines the Leaf's Skaters shooting percentages, and how this will affect our Goals For.

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what i take from this is that even though our goalies sucked last season (for the most part) it doesn’t really matter because we were still a bad team?

0.o

Move along. Nothing to see here...

by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jun 28, 2011 7:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Yes, that’s essentially it
It also shows you how some other teams (habs) were worse, but pulled themselves up through goaltending.
As we all know, if Reimer can play out of his mind next year, we can make the playoffs.. but as it stands, our team (without goaltending) is about where we finished.

I’m working on part II now which will predict (roughly) where we’ll end up next year if all goes steadily

by Ben Schnell on Jun 28, 2011 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

be cautious about predictions…

also, i think most of us believe the habs are a much worse team than their record predicts. what’s amazing is that they’ve done this 2 years in a row with 2 different goalies. I suspect this year Price comes back down to earth a little and they fail horribly.

Move along. Nothing to see here...

by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jun 28, 2011 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the heads up
I’m actually using shot percentage to determine who will pot less goals (you, kulemin)
But then comparing the output of lupul to versteeg, etc
Then looking at the shots against and how beauch effects that

We all know how its heading but its nice to see the stats of it
Ill put part 2 up tomorrow,

Thanks for reading :)

by Ben Schnell on Jun 28, 2011 8:42 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Great post Ben. Looking forward to part II.

by spoonie on Jun 29, 2011 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

given that we’re not likely to sign the unicorn named Richards, these stats would make me look forward to a season of solid development by our youth movement, with a lottery pick as a reward at the end.

but then Burke will trade for a has-been starting goalie at the deadline and muck it up anyway. or prematurely deal Kadri and Kulemin for a 26 year old who overperformed two years ago.

Scoring by committee FTMFW!

by Peter de Chatham on Jun 29, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Y U NO LET dcwise comment that first?

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 29, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Carter was 7th in goals last year, 14th the year before in an injury shortenned season , and second 2 years ago. He is an elite goal scorer. Not quite sure why you dislike him.

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by BCapp on Jun 30, 2011 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fascinating

A simple and illuminating statistic. Here’s hoping for a rebound year from Gustavsson, partly so the Leafs do better, and partly so I don’t get embarrassed walking around in the jersey I bought about a year ago…

by Peregrine on Jun 29, 2011 1:25 AM EDT reply actions  

Not the worst buy in the world!
Part II (or maybe III the way its going) will look at our goalies and what we can expect.

by Ben Schnell on Jun 29, 2011 8:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

so if goalies were equal, st. louis and NY islanders would make the playoffs

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by jimmyp22 on Jun 29, 2011 1:59 AM EDT reply actions  

halak had a .910… if conklin didn’t have a .881 they’d be in

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by jimmyp22 on Jun 29, 2011 2:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

yep, and the problem is how many games Conklin played. If he had only played 5-10 games with those numbers it wouldn’t have been a big deal but he played 25 games these season, averaging that percentage.. frankly, that’s terrible
They’ll be even better next year with Stewart and Shattenkirk though, increasing their GF

by Ben Schnell on Jun 29, 2011 8:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

I believe Halak was injured last season with his hand, so that is why Conklin had to play so many games. Regardless, this is a very interesting stat.

by DLM30 on Jun 29, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good write up.

Toronto is what we thought they were.

Montreal is funny.

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by MapleLeafMole on Jun 29, 2011 9:30 AM EDT reply actions  

Calgary

2nd best in the league for win threshold? That’s surprising. Kiprusoff was pretty crappy last year.

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by theninjagreg on Jun 29, 2011 10:37 AM EDT reply actions  

yes… and that’s why they didn’t make the playoffs. what’s your point?

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by jimmyp22 on Jun 29, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I honestly think Calgary could contend in the west, the stats speak for themselves,
but as soon as Iginla starts to decline they’re done and they’re out of prospects.

We shit on them for sucking.. they don’t suck that bad,
but they have 0 prospects.

by Ben Schnell on Jun 29, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

We shit on them for not planning for the future at all. They are literally a worse version of the 05/06 Leafs. They have more (and older) players with NTCs, are one of the oldest teams in the league and have VERY little youth and no prospects.

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by BCapp on Jun 29, 2011 2:53 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Anyone remember when hockey was a break from math class?

by Orriginal on Jun 29, 2011 11:42 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

hehe, that would have been a long time ago. the league was already up to 70 games per season in 1960 from 50.

non-playoff hockey is played out over long 82 game seasons against a smattering of opponents, where individual heroic efforts, hot streaks, slumps, even animosity and personal vengeance stories average each other out

the only exceptions to this are the playoffs, and it’s no wonder they are the most compelling hockey. it’s not just the skill involved in games played among the top half of the league.

a four game win-streak in the regular season is made meaningless by a return to the mean in short order (as the Leafs experienced all too tragically to start the last year). whereas in the playoffs, individual efforts matter, a hot goalie matters, a cheap shot that galvanizes your team matters.

this is why american football and soccer are so compelling. the small sample sizes mean the stats are a lie.

Scoring by committee FTMFW!

by Peter de Chatham on Jun 29, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes

but stats don’t lie, interpretations do.

by dsciswe on Jun 29, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, I thing what PdC means is that when you have a small size you can’t really interpret any of the stats, and so when you are tempted to believe them at all you’re just lying to yourself.

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by Wan Ihite on Jun 29, 2011 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good stats

And they do tell an interesting story. We all know great goaltending or high scoring puck controling offences can cover up a lot of ills, here’s proof.

One reason why adding Liles may not mean much, why Richards may not help much. Strength right down the pipe like Boston and Chicago had, heck Pittsburgh too.

by dsciswe on Jun 29, 2011 3:04 PM EDT reply actions  

Richard’s woudn’t help the leafs down the middle? what?

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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 29, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ya shit we should just draft a Toews or Crosby.

Ya Richards would be terrible addition at Centre. What a piece of shit.

Crazy would be NOT overanalyzing everything.

by nhlcheapshot on Jun 29, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

great post

and great new (to me) metric. gonna read part two now.

i’d be curious to see our pre- and post-beauch/kabby trade win threshold. we got a lot better goaltending, but we were giving up a lot more shots too.

Congratulations Tomas!

by daoust on Jun 29, 2011 6:52 PM EDT reply actions  

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