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Belfour, Gilmour, Nieuwendyk Inducted Into Hall Of Fame

Yesterday's big news was that three players with Maple Leafs' connections were inducted into the Hall of Fame. Ed Belfour, Joe Nieuwendyk, and especially Doug Gilmour had short but impactful stopovers in Toronto. They all may have won their Stanley Cups elsewhere but they all played big parts in pushing the Leafs into contention. Doug Gilmour's impact especially was massive as he was the driving force behind the 93 and 94 semi-finalists that drove the stake through the Harold Ballard Era.

All three players are deserving entrants to the Hall although, as usual, there were some awful oversights especially in the decision to induct no one in the Builders category for the first time since 1981. That meant that Pat Burns and Fred Shero remain on the outside looking in. Ben Massey, of all people, made the good point that the Hall of Fame voting is so opaque that there is no purpose in getting upset about the outcome. He's right. I know, shocking. Instead, it's a great opportunity to share your favourite memories of the inductees.

My personal Gilmour highlight: in third year he strolled (actually stumbled is more accurate) into the Peel Pub with Kirk Muller after last call when just us stragglers were left (I think it was a Monday night but who could possibly remember after that much beer). We drank some beers and took some great pictures of Dougie putting our Canucks' fan into a headlock and pretending to punch him. If I can ever find them, I'll post them.

Links after the jump. Share your favourite memories in the comments.

Star-divide


Doug Gilmour snookers Curtis Joseph


Joe NIeuwendyk ensures Patrick Lalime can never show his face in Ottawa


Belfour racks up his third shutout of the opening series against Ottawa in 2004 

Bloge Salming & DGB present: ‘Ranger State of Mind’
"Time for hanging out downtown once you're out in the first round...now you're in New York! The media will make you shout out 'Mayday!' but you'll get your payday". Awesome.

Are the Caps Betting on Brooks Laich or Betting on the NHL?
On the heels of Larry Brooks' article about the upcoming CBA negotiations Gould Old Days is asking if the Capitals are banking on him being wrong.

The Pensblog
#JagrWatch has an official music video that is unreal. Adam and Derek will probably die if Jagr doesn't come back. Deadline day is today.

Now It's On: Islanders' Christian Ehrhoff Gamble is Reach for Next Step
Dominik examines the gamble behind the trade for Ehrhoff.

The 2011 NHl Entry Draft - A Travellers Notes
Kent Wilson (who you should be following on Twitter @Kent_Wilson) describes his time at the draft as well as his flight with Brian Skrudland who I assume was trapped in the middle seat.

NHL Awards Voting, The PHWA & Transparency (Or Lack Thereof)
Derek Zona breaks down the The NHL awards voting and surprise, surprise, but the voters produced some fishy results. Wouldn't it be swell if the vote was transparent so that at least something connected to the league was open?

Andrew Brunette Fires Agents Over Sean Avery Debacle
Brunette fired his agents based on their poor handling of the same sex marriage issue.

Maple Leafs Of Yore Dominate 2011 Hall of Fame Inductees
Former Leafs make up a big part of the Hall of Fame. Wendel Clark is thus far the only inductee in the Hall of Awesome.

Valeri Bure angry Hockey Hall bypasses his brother Pavel
Also angry Canucks haven’t retired sibling’s sweater. Gillis says "why you heff be mad?". Anyway, Valeri can shut up because he married my childhood love DJ Tanner. Jerk.

Hockey Hall Class of 2011: Howe, Gilmour, Nieuwendyk, Belfour
These are some pretty handsome outfits these guys are wearing.

Ed Belfour, ‘flabbergasted’ 1st-ballot Hockey Hall of Famer
Puck Daddy shows just how strong Belfour's case was for enshrinement.

MLHS 2011 Free Agency Contest
Alec is giving away prizes for predicting which bullets Brian Burke will use to shoot himself in the foot.

Ed "The Eagle" Belfour: Hockey Hall Of Famer
Brad Lee remembers Ed Belfour, new hockey hall of famer.

Leafs Qualify 7; Waive goodbye to Laich; + Other Tidbits
Mark Teofilo shares his thoughts on yesterday's signings and news.

Leafs Draft Feeds Marlies
Clayton Hansler (@chansler for the latest Marlies news) looks at the Marlies as a weigh station for the Leafs' draft picks.

Gilmour makes the grade, and deservedly so
Michael Langlois reflects on Gilmour and how exclusive the Hall of Fame should be.

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DJ Tanner?

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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 29, 2011 7:02 AM EDT reply actions  

what, theres a problem with that?

"He should be wearing a Sens sweater" - describing someone acting less than sane or competent. Use it.

by elseldo on Jun 29, 2011 7:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Swoon

Let the Wookie win.
Twitter is a thing!

by Kenjamin on Jun 29, 2011 7:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

The 'tween paperazzi was all over their wedding

"He should be wearing a Sens sweater" - describing someone acting less than sane or competent. Use it.

by elseldo on Jun 29, 2011 7:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Mine was totally Alexa Vega

by Ben Schnell on Jun 29, 2011 8:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

yeah man

I had it bad for her.

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by PPP on Jun 29, 2011 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

If Dougie hadn’t gotten in I would ahve expected The Su nto use “The Eagle Has Landed!” on their front page today

"He should be wearing a Sens sweater" - describing someone acting less than sane or competent. Use it.

by elseldo on Jun 29, 2011 7:15 AM EDT reply actions  

Ranger state of mind is awe – wait for it – some.

"He should be wearing a Sens sweater" - describing someone acting less than sane or competent. Use it.

by elseldo on Jun 29, 2011 7:19 AM EDT reply actions  

I didn’t wait for it.

by Learn2Leaf on Jun 29, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is 2M the right price for a PK/4th line guy?
@RealKyper
Nick Kypreos
#Leafs #Blackhawks #Sharks all remain interested in #Penguins Talbot. 2M per season over 4 years remains the ball park for his services.

Seems pricey. Apparently Leafs wanted to trade a 5th last night to get a jump start on negotiations but Talbot wanted to test the market.

Crazy would be NOT overanalyzing everything.

by nhlcheapshot on Jun 29, 2011 7:20 AM EDT reply actions  

i would think it should be more like 1.5M but he’s more of a 3rd liner than a 4th.
Last season he had 8G 13A 21P and that was really his lowest output ever, as he’s normally good for 12G 15P
He seems a lot like a Daryl Boyce/Tim Brent to me though. I don’t know why we wouldn’t fill that spot internally

by Ben Schnell on Jun 29, 2011 8:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

BURKE LOVES HIS INTANGIBLES

Crazy would be NOT overanalyzing everything.

by nhlcheapshot on Jun 29, 2011 8:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

I actually think that's it.

Talbot came off as ‘the funny guy’ in 24/7, and someone who is really popular in the room. Sort of a Colby-esque figure. But that just leads me back to the idea that we already have an overpaid 3rd line guy that’s funny.

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by JP Nikota on Jun 29, 2011 8:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

I love my Max Talbot so that makes us friends.

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by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Jun 29, 2011 8:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wait he has a NTC? otherwise it wouldn’t of been up to him to test the waters.

"There's been four different Cup winners the last four years, and I got one of them (Anaheim) and it was a fighting team. We're playing it that way regardless." - B. Burke, Toronto Maple Leafs GM

by BlueBuds on Jun 29, 2011 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

No he doesnt…

What happened was the Leafs and the Pens came to an agreement that if the Leafs were able to sign Max before July 1st they would send the Pens a 5th. However Max said he was waiting till Friday so the teams didn’t make the trade

by WizardofNaz on Jun 29, 2011 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Leafs had an agreement in place with the Pens to talk to Talbot’s agent. If Talbot signed with the Leafs, the Pens would get a pick. If Talbot didn’t sign, there was no trade.

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by Draglikepull on Jun 29, 2011 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

So what you guys both said sound like two different things. One sounds like Max wanted to wait and the other sounds like he rejected the Leafs offer. Is that right? I’m confused simply because while the Pens own he rights to him, I cant see them not trading him if they could unless he had a NTC which he could then kill any deal. I wouldn’t mind having hm and just wondering what was what.

"There's been four different Cup winners the last four years, and I got one of them (Anaheim) and it was a fighting team. We're playing it that way regardless." - B. Burke, Toronto Maple Leafs GM

by BlueBuds on Jun 29, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

They didn’t trade him because the Leafs only offerred the trade if they could sign him first.

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by Draglikepull on Jun 29, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ohhh ok I got it. Good for us then.

"There's been four different Cup winners the last four years, and I got one of them (Anaheim) and it was a fighting team. We're playing it that way regardless." - B. Burke, Toronto Maple Leafs GM

by BlueBuds on Jun 29, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Why do you always reply to your own posts instead of the person you’re talking to? Makes it confusing to follow.

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by Draglikepull on Jun 29, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

So it lays underneath the last one vs getting shorter and short column. I don’t know. Is it better I do this?

"There's been four different Cup winners the last four years, and I got one of them (Anaheim) and it was a fighting team. We're playing it that way regardless." - B. Burke, Toronto Maple Leafs GM

by BlueBuds on Jun 29, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes… because you can follow the conversation much easier. Also whatever comment you reply to is linked to with the “up” button beside the reply button so if you need to reference the original one you can easily move up.

by WizardofNaz on Jun 29, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, this is kind of the standard

by Ben Schnell on Jun 29, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thats 3 out of 4 Former Maple Leafs going into the HHOF !

but the one that wasnt was one heck of a FLYER !

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by FLYERROB on Jun 29, 2011 8:00 AM EDT reply actions  

He was a Whaler, too...

BTW, I had heard at one point about his injury that forced the redesign of the goal frame, but not too much more on it, anyone have any further info?

by Arenacale on Jun 29, 2011 8:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

and a Red Wing!

"He should be wearing a Sens sweater" - describing someone acting less than sane or competent. Use it.

by elseldo on Jun 29, 2011 8:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Drury being bought out for realsies this time

The 34-year-old who played four seasons on Broadway, the last three of them as team captain, will become an unrestricted free agent after deciding against applying for a medical exception due to a left knee condition.

It is believed Drury, who would have received the full $5 million due for the final season of his five-year, $35.25 million contract had he been declared medically unable to perform as opposed to the $3.333 million he will collect on the buyout, will seek to continue his career, perhaps in Buffalo, from whence he came on July 1, 2007.

Crazy would be NOT overanalyzing everything.

by nhlcheapshot on Jun 29, 2011 8:12 AM EDT reply actions  

If Drury had gotten medical expemtion would he have to retire or just sit out the remainder of his contract?

would the Sabres want him, if he’s already getting 3.333 million from the Rangers, the sabres could off 1.667 and he’d be making $5 million this season.

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by elseldo on Jun 29, 2011 8:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Drury, who would have received the full $5 million due for the final season of his five-year, $35.25 million contract had he been declared medically unable to perform as opposed to the $3.333 million he will collect on the buyout

If he retired he would have received 0. That’s how retirement works. That’s why I was so shocked Rafalski was willing to forego his $6M or whatever. But i guess if your injury is so bad that you’re willing to walk away from that kind of dough, it has to be bad.

Crazy would be NOT overanalyzing everything.

by nhlcheapshot on Jun 29, 2011 8:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

I jsut wasn’t sure what the medical exemption would have done. He’d go on LTIR once the season begana nd then not play at all I guess?

"He should be wearing a Sens sweater" - describing someone acting less than sane or competent. Use it.

by elseldo on Jun 29, 2011 8:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

In theory, if he healed, he’d have been required to return to the active roster.

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Sabres took the scenic route, but they still MADE IT TO THE PLAYOFFS!!!1

by Ubiquitous on Jun 29, 2011 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

So now they have space for Richards :(

by Ben Schnell on Jun 29, 2011 8:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

If Richards actually wants an 8-year deal, this is good news.

Oh, you better believe that's a paddling.

by JP Nikota on Jun 29, 2011 8:26 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

BOOYAH

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by Chemmy on Jun 29, 2011 8:26 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I second this notion

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by BCapp on Jun 29, 2011 8:58 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

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Crazy would be NOT overanalyzing everything.

by nhlcheapshot on Jun 29, 2011 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

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Crazy would be NOT overanalyzing everything.

by nhlcheapshot on Jun 29, 2011 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Get over it

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by clrkaitken on Jun 29, 2011 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not until he signs.

I’m going to be very sad on July 1.

Crazy would be NOT overanalyzing everything.

by nhlcheapshot on Jun 29, 2011 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m with you on this one.

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by whyevenbother on Jun 29, 2011 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

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Crazy would be NOT overanalyzing everything.

by nhlcheapshot on Jun 29, 2011 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

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"I prematurely shot my wad on what was supposed to be a dry run, if you will, so now I'm afraid i have something of a mess on my hands."
"There's just so many poorly chosen words in that sentence."

by PKSube on Jun 29, 2011 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

flagged for excessive flagging

"He should be wearing a Sens sweater" - describing someone acting less than sane or competent. Use it.

by elseldo on Jun 29, 2011 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Flagged for the excessive flagging of excessive flagging…

FLAG!

by WizardofNaz on Jun 29, 2011 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

flagged in Columbus.

Move along. Nothing to see here...

by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jun 29, 2011 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

but, but … it’s not November?

/me so confused.

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by fair_n_hite_451 on Jun 29, 2011 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Don’t worry its only legal when it matters

by WizardofNaz on Jun 29, 2011 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

ugh, butchering the classics.

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by thenumber14 on Jun 29, 2011 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Flagged for weird meme crossing

"I prematurely shot my wad on what was supposed to be a dry run, if you will, so now I'm afraid i have something of a mess on my hands."
"There's just so many poorly chosen words in that sentence."

by PKSube on Jun 29, 2011 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Shamless plug

I posted it last night but everyone was already off by that time
Using Win Threshold to Predict Next Season
just a fanpost I’ve been working on. Parts II & (maybe 3) to come

by Ben Schnell on Jun 29, 2011 8:23 AM EDT reply actions  

WOW FIRST FRONT PAGE

HOOORAY
Thank you to all my friends and family
to nhlcheapshot for advocating Brad Richards
and for Steve Burtch for teaching me that stats do matter.

by Ben Schnell on Jun 29, 2011 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Disclaimer

Stats don’t actually matter; only watching the games matters.

by Shield on Jun 29, 2011 10:12 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Both matter.

Fairweather fans can go to hell
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by leafer1984 on Jun 29, 2011 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Do you even watch the games??

by Ben Schnell on Jun 29, 2011 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Do you even watch the stats?!?

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by Draglikepull on Jun 29, 2011 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Do you even know how to use a calculator?

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by leafer1984 on Jun 29, 2011 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Do you actually need a calculator to watch games?

by Shield on Jun 29, 2011 10:45 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

And there it is

"I prematurely shot my wad on what was supposed to be a dry run, if you will, so now I'm afraid i have something of a mess on my hands."
"There's just so many poorly chosen words in that sentence."

by PKSube on Jun 29, 2011 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ahhh! It’s branching out!

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by Semi_Colon on Jun 29, 2011 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Typo
and how the leafs should fair.

Should be “fare”.

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by theninjagreg on Jun 29, 2011 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Congratulations man. Big day!

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by BCapp on Jun 29, 2011 10:58 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Im opening the Champagne as we speak!

by Ben Schnell on Jun 29, 2011 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Poppin some Joel, eh?

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03/19/2011 - Watched Kadri's 1st NHL goal from the West Bank

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by happiergilmore on Jun 29, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeahhhhhhhhhh mangggggggg

by Ben Schnell on Jun 29, 2011 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

BOO THIS MAN

Crazy would be NOT overanalyzing everything.

by nhlcheapshot on Jun 29, 2011 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Yes and be happy with your “The corpse of Tim Connolly”

On the Mike Weber bandwagon!
Sabres took the scenic route, but they still MADE IT TO THE PLAYOFFS!!!1

by Ubiquitous on Jun 29, 2011 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Does anyone else agree that this would be a much worse scenario than Richards?

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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 29, 2011 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe I’m wrong, but I think Ubiquitous was being generous in referring to Tim Connolly as a corpse at this point.

by Self Destructive Zones on Jun 29, 2011 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

You just need to perform whatever sinister ritual they did on Chelios to turn him into Zombie Chelios… then you’d have Zombie Connolly! You’d be unstoppable!

On the Mike Weber bandwagon!
Sabres took the scenic route, but they still MADE IT TO THE PLAYOFFS!!!1

by Ubiquitous on Jun 29, 2011 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’ll take Zombie Connolly if he can put up almost a point per game like he did in 08/09 (47 points in 48 games). I’m pretty sure it was Wendel who killed Chelios initially (going on the premise that what DGB says is gospel) – I wonder who’s responsible for raising him from the dead?

It’s kind of a shame about Connolly, the guy (at least for a few years prior to this past year from the looks of things) was a solid producer when healthy. But you’d likely know better than I on the value of Tim Connolly and I’m guessing its pretty low.

by Self Destructive Zones on Jun 29, 2011 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

He’s worth about 5 million but you have to multiply that by the percent of games you think he’ll actually play in.

On the Mike Weber bandwagon!
Sabres took the scenic route, but they still MADE IT TO THE PLAYOFFS!!!1

by Ubiquitous on Jun 29, 2011 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Your munchkin just re-signed
@SabresDotCom: The Buffalo #Sabres have agreed to terms on a multi-year contract with RFA forward Nathan Gerbe.

Crazy would be NOT overanalyzing everything.

by nhlcheapshot on Jun 29, 2011 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yay we get to keep the crazy munchkin!

On the Mike Weber bandwagon!
Sabres took the scenic route, but they still MADE IT TO THE PLAYOFFS!!!1

by Ubiquitous on Jun 29, 2011 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

this is acceptable.

On the Mike Weber bandwagon!
Sabres took the scenic route, but they still MADE IT TO THE PLAYOFFS!!!1

by Ubiquitous on Jun 29, 2011 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

I like it.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 29, 2011 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Listening to Bob Cole call those Battle of Ontario series gives me chills every time

I’ve only seen a handful of post-lockout Leafs games that were that good. Of course, all but one or two have lacked the intensity of the playoffs.

The one exception is the game we played against Montreal to beat them out of the playoffs, and give ourselves life, before Scott Clemmensen ruined the world.

Oh, you better believe that's a paddling.

by JP Nikota on Jun 29, 2011 8:35 AM EDT reply actions  

Those goddamn videos practically have me in tears.

I was at that Habs game, which makes me hate Scott Clemmensen all that much more. And Wade Dubielewicz. And God (apologies to all you religious folk out there).

by Self Destructive Zones on Jun 29, 2011 8:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah those videos are tough to watch. Brings me back though because I distinctly remember watching Nieuwendyk scoring those goals on Lalime.

Leaf playoff hockey is the best kind of playoff hockey.

by lucc on Jun 29, 2011 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

I get chills hearing the roar of the crowd at the ACC.:(

by purplish on Jun 29, 2011 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

I know it's a long shot but...

If Burke is going to offer sheet Stamkos and let’s say it’s the rumored 9 year $100 million deal, what’s to stop him from structuring the contract to add extra pressure to Tampa.

Say the first year pays whatever the most a first yearcould be ( say 15 million) and then the second year had a salary of $1.5 million and a signing bonus of $9 million so that even if there is a lockout, Tampa would have to pay him his $9 million (see the Bieksa contract).Something hard for a team who allegedly lost $25 million last year to do.

 Clearly the numbers may be too high to be allowed but couldn’t the Leafs do something similar to this to make it harder for Tampa to match?

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by DoubleDion on Jun 29, 2011 8:36 AM EDT reply actions  

That's a double no.

Not only is Burke against big-sliding salaries, I’m sure it would be totally against his code to do something like that to Tampa.

Also, the 9-year/$100M isn’t a rumor, it’s just what folks around here have been saying we’d pay him.

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by JP Nikota on Jun 29, 2011 8:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Burke is against deals that are long-term that have an extra two years at the end to lower the cap hit to circumvent the cap.

A 15, 10.5 (with 9 as a sb), then with eight more years as just over $8 million a year doesn’t seem too crazy. It would really only be one year where he gets paid a decent amount more. This isn’t a cap circumvention deal that Burke hates, this is a deal to have on the table when Burke would be trying to negotiate a trade for Stamkos (as we know he likes to trade not offer sheet).

"WHAM WHAM...KABAM...KABAM... A DOUBLE KABAM! AND IT'S A DOUBLE DION!" - Vintage Pierre McGuire

by DoubleDion on Jun 29, 2011 8:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Burke’s said he doesn’t hate long deals, but deals where there is no expectation of the player being around for the end of it. In Stamkos’ case because he’s so young unless it’s a 20-year contract he’s almost guaranteed to be around for all of it. Perhaps that gives him the loophole to offer such a contract?

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by T is for Truculence on Jun 29, 2011 8:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, he’s also said he doesn’t like long-term deals structured to circumvent the cap, but DoubleDion’s suggestion doesn’t do that at all. I like the idea of offerring a big signing bonus during the potential lockout year, though let’s be honest, neither side is stupid enough to force another lockout.

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by Draglikepull on Jun 29, 2011 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

The problem with offer sheets is that they’re aggressive by nature, so you have to overpay. That means you end up paying Stamkos more than Crosby, Malkin, Ovechkin.

by stevesmith19 on Jun 29, 2011 8:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Offer sheets

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by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Jun 29, 2011 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I’d sign Trech for 5 yrs 50 mil. But Vinny better take a hometown discount.

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by Chuck Diesel on Jun 30, 2011 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Eklund style rumour: because everyone is talking about Brad Richards

My cousin recently started working at TSN/NHL Network putting highlights together (he’s the guy who dropped the tapes), and I’ve asked him to fill me in on any Leafs news he stumbles upon when at work. Here is a BBM conversation I had with him last night while having dinner at Turtle Jacks (it was delicious):

Him: Dreggsy just told us toronto and nyr are the two front runners for richards
Me: Sweet, well that’s pretty much what everyone assumed
Him: Ya, but they’ll throw all they’ve got at him.. Buffalos in there too which would suck
Me: Yeah f*ck, is this confidential or did he tweet about it?
Him: Not confidential

This is secondhand information, so obviously take it with a grain of salt, but he’s been right before with stuff he found out at work. Just thought I’d share since people there are so many for or against Richards people.

by Shield on Jun 29, 2011 8:42 AM EDT reply actions  

Buffalo!?

Damn you Pegula Bucks!

"He should be wearing a Sens sweater" - describing someone acting less than sane or competent. Use it.

by elseldo on Jun 29, 2011 8:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

also: Dreggsy?

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by elseldo on Jun 29, 2011 8:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

I dunno, I was just quoting ver batem. I’m assuming they wouldn’t call him Darren because there’s two.

by Shield on Jun 29, 2011 9:20 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Yeah, but “the other Darren” is obviously “Dutch” or “Dutchie” … so that wouldn’t be confusing at all…

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by fair_n_hite_451 on Jun 29, 2011 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

I imagine the atmosphere among the guys at TSN is exactly like a locker room. So they all have nicknames. You’re not gonna call Darren Dreger “Darren”, it’s way too boring. “Dreggsy” sounds like a fuckin’ cool dude.

by lucc on Jun 29, 2011 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Except O’Toole… everyone knows he’s the undersized kid with glasses who volunteered to be the waterboy so he could feel like he was part of a team.

by WizardofNaz on Jun 29, 2011 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

so they probably just drop the O’’ part

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by Chuck Diesel on Jun 30, 2011 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

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by thenumber14 on Jun 29, 2011 8:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

the value of peguladollars is measured in petrol, like KHL dollars.

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by Ubiquitous on Jun 29, 2011 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

and whats the ratio of Stanley Nickels to Peguladollars?

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Who wants to be a Pegullionaire!?

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by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Jun 29, 2011 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

The same as the ratio of unicorns to leprachauns (an actual relevant quote!)

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by PKSube on Jun 29, 2011 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just say no to Brian Gionta.

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by fair_n_hite_451 on Jun 29, 2011 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

On the subject of Peguladollars, have the Sabres been able to spend to the cap in the past and the ownership was just greedy? Or is Pegula going to lose some money, but he doesn’t care because he loves the team and is rich?

by Yort on Jun 29, 2011 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

2nd.

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by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Jun 29, 2011 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

He said “If i wanted to make money, i’d dig another oil well”

Golisano wasn’t really that interested in making loads of cash (because he already has made more than basically everyone except bill gates), but he viewed it as an investment so he did want to turn a profit.

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by Draglikepull on Jun 29, 2011 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Fine by me. I’ll take one to two years of Buffalo being really good if it means 6 more of them having a busted up cap.

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by Bower Power on Jun 29, 2011 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

My Dougie Memory

Every year, my best friends dad participates in the Baycrest/Scotiabank Celebrity Pro-Am Hockey Tournament to combat Alzheimer’s. The first year that his team participated, I was about 12 or 13 at the time, they raised the most money and picked Dougie first overall in the celebrity player draft. Even though he clearly outclassed everyone else on the ice, since the rest of the team were all beer leaguers, he spread the puck around and got all of the other guys involved, unlike some of the other former pros who were participating. After they finished the tournament, he took my friend and I out on the ice and spent 45 minutes giving us pointers.

by jmsmorris on Jun 29, 2011 9:08 AM EDT reply actions  

Favourite Belfour moment was the only one I remember seeing live..

The year after the lockout I got thrown a couple of tickets to an early-season game against Boston. It was a pretty tight game, Leafs coughed up a lead late and Boston was starting to carry the play. Late in the third Klee takes a double-minor for high-sticking, and then somebody else took a delay of game penalty for shooting the puck over the glass.

So basically they were going to spend the entire overtime shorthanded. It was an absolute shooting gallery. Boston must have had close to a dozen shots; Eddie stopped ‘em all. The entire ACC was chanting “Eddie! Eddie!” throughout the last minute of the penalty kill and when Klee’s penalty FINALLY ended the place erupted saluting the job they’d just done. Maybe the finest stretch of penalty killing and clutch goaltending we’ve seen post-lockout (and that’s a depressing thought…)

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by clrkaitken on Jun 29, 2011 9:20 AM EDT reply actions  

There’s no doubt about my favourite Nieuwendyk memory.

The night he ruined Lalime’s career.

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by clrkaitken on Jun 29, 2011 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

He needed fewer than 20 minutes to do it as well.

And to think I was nervous beforehand. Good times.

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by article1 on Jun 29, 2011 9:38 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Boo, they don’t have the penalty summary listed .

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by Bower Power on Jun 29, 2011 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yep thats definitely the game I was at too. Just noticed the Bruin’s goalie. lol Raycroft.

by rpop on Jun 29, 2011 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was going to laugh at him too, but 4 on 32 isn’t awful. Not great, but I’ve seen worse. Hell, worse out of Raycroft alone.

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by Bower Power on Jun 29, 2011 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

It was Steen who got the high-sticking double minor and Klee got the delay of game.

I knew Klee had one of the penalties but he’s only listed as having 2 PIM

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by clrkaitken on Jun 29, 2011 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

As I was reading your post it all sounded awful familiar, I’m pretty sure I was at the same game! Eddie was fantastic those first few years here!

by rpop on Jun 29, 2011 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

That video of Belfour rocking Lapointe on the PD article makes me miss Belfour. You just don’t see guys defending their crease like you used to.

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by Bower Power on Jun 29, 2011 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

[some kind of joke about diving]

…I should get some coffee…

by potvin vs hextall on Jun 29, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

I got your back son

Obviously Sedin is doing his best impression of Loonette from the big comfy couch

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by Tickle Me Aulie on Jun 29, 2011 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yup. Part of the reason you’ve gotta love Thomas’ game.

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by Bower Power on Jun 29, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

It looks like Sedin has been shrunk down in this picture compared to the size of the Bruins. Bizarre.

by lucc on Jun 29, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lapointe took that awfully well considering. I would have lost my mind. Once I got over throwing up.

by Self Destructive Zones on Jun 29, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

For one moment, my job is not boring

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by CoolJ90 on Jun 29, 2011 9:37 AM EDT reply actions  

Well that’s a workplace win.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 29, 2011 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Go and tell them they should get into the plumbing business. I bet they’ve never heard that one before

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by PKSube on Jun 29, 2011 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

offer them some mushrooms

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by elseldo on Jun 29, 2011 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

make a dog laugh at them when they miss…wait.

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by thenumber14 on Jun 29, 2011 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Which would lead to this

http://www.pbfcomics.com/?cid=PBF213-Mario_Too.jpg

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by PKSube on Jun 29, 2011 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's a lot of unqualified RFAs that are about to hit UFA on July 1
Some are questioning Predators missing qualifying offers on RFA’s Cal O’Reilly, Nick Spaling, Matt Halischuk and Sergei Kostitsyn.

Not sure why 2011 is the year that lots of teams decided to let their RFAs walk…

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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 29, 2011 9:58 AM EDT reply actions  

Guys, call me crazy, but maybe we check out Tits?
He’s probably hitting UFA because he wants $$ but if he could be had for cheap, we gotta go for it
I know there was allegedly something with Grabbo but he’s a pretty decent player.
I was looking at cap geek yesterday and they have a $/points section and he was #1 in the NHL, scoring ~55 points. Considering he played for Nashville who does not score goals, that’s pretty impressive.

by Ben Schnell on Jun 29, 2011 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Also Nick Spaling is one of my good friend’s cousins so I have a soft spot for him, but he’s a pretty decent 3rd/4th liner, hard working forechecker

by Ben Schnell on Jun 29, 2011 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

I would love to take on Spaling or Halischuk. But then you guys know my love of all things Rangers…

by WizardofNaz on Jun 29, 2011 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

He was shooting at over 20% in Nashville... if he plans on getting paid like a 20+ goal scorer then not a chance.

Ya I don’t think they bring him in if it has the slightest chance of upsetting Grabbo

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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 29, 2011 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not that he’s managed to do it at the NHL level, but Cal O’Reilly has been an assist machine over the years. 63 and 56 in 07/08 and 08/09 respectively in the AHL with Milwaukee, 81 his final year of junior with Windsor in 05/06.

Not saying we oughta throw an offer at him, but somewhat surprising to see he’d produced like that at any level.

by Self Destructive Zones on Jun 29, 2011 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

lol

i’m gonna go with something more along the lines of mule with a party hat over his forehead at this point for someone like O’Reilly, but you never know…

by Self Destructive Zones on Jun 29, 2011 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

GET.

SPALING.

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by Chemmy on Jun 29, 2011 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Second.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 29, 2011 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Starring Michael Caine?

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by Semi_Colon on Jun 29, 2011 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

HALISCHUK!!!1 Kostitsyn isn’t bad either, but Grabbboooo

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by happiergilmore on Jun 29, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Speaking of RFAs...

Assuming we don’t get Richards and can’t pull of a trade for a top-six centre. What about Matt D’Agostini and Tyler Kennedy? Both can play centre or wing and both weren’t qualified. They would add depth and would be able to fight it out with Bozak, Kadri, Colborne for top-six centre role.

They would also probably cost under $6 million for both. Thoughts?

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by DoubleDion on Jun 29, 2011 10:07 AM EDT reply actions  

I can’t even think of how sad it would be if it came down to that.

This summer is going to suck.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 29, 2011 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ya, that sounds like a somewhat depressing Plan J or K.

by LeaferinOttawa on Jun 29, 2011 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Start resigning yourself to the likelihood that it will come down to that. And it may not be the WORST thing in the world. Get some internal competition, add some moderate upgrades in talent, make the playoffs as a late seed for 2 years. Then in 2013, Burke is going balls to the wall on Getzlaf and Perry.

by lucc on Jun 29, 2011 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Start resigning yourself to the likelihood that it will come down to that

No.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 29, 2011 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Our current scraps like Boyce/Brent are just as good as the scraps from other teams.

by WizardofNaz on Jun 29, 2011 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Did you purposely pick ‘J’ and ‘K’?

by Shield on Jun 29, 2011 10:15 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Well I was going to go with H, but thought the Evil family might get pissed at me.

by LeaferinOttawa on Jun 29, 2011 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not your fault if preparations A through G fail…

by Shield on Jun 29, 2011 10:32 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Stick with what we’ve got.

This RFA signing stuff, and talking ourselves into picking up other teams scraps is depressing as shit.

This team got it done in the latter half of last year. Stick with them see what we have out of training camp.

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by thenumber14 on Jun 29, 2011 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly…our scraps are just as good imo.

That being said the young guys like Spaling or Halischuk who teams didn’t WANT to let go would be a good move imo

by WizardofNaz on Jun 29, 2011 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Tyler Kennedy’s significantly better than everyone currently in our bottom 6 (I don’t consider Bozak a bottom 6 player).

I’d absolutely bring him in.

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by clrkaitken on Jun 29, 2011 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’d still bet on Pens re-signing him, despite not qualifying him (due to Arb rights)

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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 29, 2011 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

well, shero’s an idiot to not give him a QO, but like, Kostitsyn? really?

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by thenumber14 on Jun 29, 2011 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Depends on price. I know he scored 21 goals last year, I still dont think he is more than a 3rd liner tho

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by leafer1984 on Jun 29, 2011 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

No, but let’s think about this guy for a second.

At his root, he’s a grinder; he throws some hits, he goes into corners, he kills penalties, but when injuries take out the scorers he steps up and scores 21 goals? That’s absolutely the kind of guy I want on my third line, and I bet Burke feels the same.

We gave Kulemin 2.1 for less. I’d go a shade above that.

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by clrkaitken on Jun 29, 2011 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with everything you said.

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by leafer1984 on Jun 29, 2011 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but he might not want that little.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 29, 2011 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

How much is he really going to get for one season of 20 goals? 2.3? 2.5?

2.5 out of a 63.4 cap is just under 4%. That’s fine by me.

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by clrkaitken on Jun 29, 2011 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

He’d bring down the Handsome Quotient of the dressing room.

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by thenumber14 on Jun 29, 2011 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Clearly yet another reason to keep Timmy Brent.

by LeaferinOttawa on Jun 29, 2011 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

If you look at what Steve posted last night in the FTB he has been consistent and about 1.80 pts/60 which is perfect for the lower end of top 9. I also agree with clrkaitken that he is the kinda guy that is great to have around to call up onto the top 6 if injuries strike

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by BCapp on Jun 29, 2011 11:30 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Check out the Hockey-Ref link I posted below. His numbers are comparable to some pretty surprising guys.

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by clrkaitken on Jun 29, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Saw that seems pretty solid. IIRC he can also play c/lw. If he is interested in 2.5 or less I would probably be interested.

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by BCapp on Jun 29, 2011 11:52 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

He’s primarily a RW. He only took 60 faceoffs last year (45%)

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by clrkaitken on Jun 29, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ok thanks for the info

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by BCapp on Jun 29, 2011 12:12 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

45 points in Pitt last year. I’m interested.

You consider Bozak a top 6 C?

by lucc on Jun 29, 2011 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Kennedy, o’reilly and Bergfors are the only RFA’s who haven’t been qualified who interest me.

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by BCapp on Jun 29, 2011 11:26 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Spaling and Halischuk interest me more than any of those 3.

by WizardofNaz on Jun 29, 2011 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

I know next to nothin about either.

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by BCapp on Jun 29, 2011 11:30 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Both 3rd line players who can fill in on 2nd line. Both good in all zone. They remind me a lot of a Colby Armstrong type player.

by WizardofNaz on Jun 29, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Based on what Burke has been saying I think it’s almost a certainty that he brings in someone. If he can’t land a true #1 he probably goes with the ‘add lots of depth centers and let everyone battle it out for jobs’ scenario.

by LeaferinOttawa on Jun 29, 2011 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

I really wish our Depth would come from having too many top players and forcing them to take on lower roles, rather than taking bottom players and forcing them to take on higher roles.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 29, 2011 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

So do 29 other teams.

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by clrkaitken on Jun 29, 2011 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Seems like we tend to do it more often than not.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 29, 2011 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

We’re building from nothing, and building from our prospects.

This isn’t an overnight transformation.

I feel like I’m going to have to do a fanpost to get my thoughts out.

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by clrkaitken on Jun 29, 2011 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

All part of the process. This team currently has a weaker crop of top line talent than most teams. Cheapest (but most agonizing) way of getting past this is adding lower end talent, hoping a few guys overachieve/develop further, and then they become assets rather than plugs.

by lucc on Jun 29, 2011 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sign everyone who is cheap.

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by Chemmy on Jun 29, 2011 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Draft/Free Agency really is like hockey fan Christmas in the sense that when we are all looking forward to getting a Nintendo 64 or Playstation, we end up getting a fucking sweater.

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by thenumber14 on Jun 29, 2011 10:21 AM EDT reply actions  

We’ll get some new SOCKS!

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 29, 2011 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hey man a few years ago Burke got us both Komisarek and Beauchemin and then ten weeks later grabbed Kessel.

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by Chemmy on Jun 29, 2011 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

But he re-gifted Beauchemin

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by CoolJ90 on Jun 29, 2011 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

That’s like getting a Present for Easter then.

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by thenumber14 on Jun 29, 2011 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Kessel Bunny?

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by Semi_Colon on Jun 29, 2011 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

What is with Easter presents?

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by elseldo on Jun 29, 2011 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

I haven’t gotten an Easter present since I was 12, but back then it served as a nice replacement to chocolate

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by thenumber14 on Jun 29, 2011 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

yeah but Glenn Sather will probably be like this when they sign Brad Richards for 8 years.

I love any excuse to watch that video

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by Semi_Colon on Jun 29, 2011 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

cant watch it at work..
nintendo 64?

by Ben Schnell on Jun 29, 2011 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

yes

Nintendo SixtyFoooooooouuuuuuuurrrrrr

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by Semi_Colon on Jun 29, 2011 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

MOAR

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by PKSube on Jun 29, 2011 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

ugh, i’m at the in-laws on the 1st, no chance to follow whats going on.

but I’ll get a nice big surprise once everyone goes to bed to see what went down.

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by elseldo on Jun 29, 2011 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Jagr

Does he qualify as a free agent? Why is the deadline today?

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by theninjagreg on Jun 29, 2011 10:27 AM EDT reply actions  

I was wondering that myself, why can he sign before July 1st? Are players from Euro Leagues free game anytime?

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by elseldo on Jun 29, 2011 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Apparently because his last contract was not an NHL contract? I’ve seen conflicting reports on this in the last week.

by potvin vs hextall on Jun 29, 2011 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Chad Larose sweepstakes are over
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Hearing Carolina has agreed to terms with Chad Larose on a two-year deal.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 29, 2011 10:28 AM EDT reply actions  

(meh?)…I don’t think ‘Chad Larose’ and ‘sweepstakes’ should ever occupy the same sentence.

by LeaferinOttawa on Jun 29, 2011 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

MF37 was convinced he’d be our big-name signing. This continues to be good news.

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by clrkaitken on Jun 29, 2011 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

/BurkedodgingUFAs.gif

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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 29, 2011 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

in this free agency summer, yep

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by LeafFan1989 on Jun 29, 2011 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m including ‘sweepstakes’ in every FA signing.

The crappier the player the more silly the use of ‘sweepstakes’ sounds.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 29, 2011 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Price wasn't bad though
@TSNBobMcKenzie:

Larose will earn $1.5M next season and $1.9M the season after that for an AAV of $1.7M.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 29, 2011 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was really enjoying the Ryan Smyth sweepstakes.

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I love it when MacArthur goes insane and pummels some guy.

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by theninjagreg on Jun 29, 2011 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

You picked a bad day to be Jaroslav Spacek.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 29, 2011 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

MacArthur and Beauchemin are my favourite kinds of fighters. They rarely fight, but when they do they get crazy and destroy people.

by potvin vs hextall on Jun 29, 2011 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

actually it did seem like MacArthur fought quite a bit
it wasnt the classic colton orr or mike brown but he’s got all kinds of crazy, he killed a few men last year

by Ben Schnell on Jun 29, 2011 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Pretty sure he fought LaRose and Spacek.

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by leafer1984 on Jun 29, 2011 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not that Spacek put up much a fight…

by Self Destructive Zones on Jun 29, 2011 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

hockeyfights.com only has the LaROse fight lol

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by leafer1984 on Jun 29, 2011 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

And what a fight

I mean an obliteration: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrpiczXujog

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by theninjagreg on Jun 29, 2011 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

IIRC they only gave Mac and Spacek roughing minors for that “fight”.

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correct

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by theninjagreg on Jun 29, 2011 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yep, don’t think it really counted as a fight. Was basically 1 punch and Spacek was done.

by TheCeej on Jun 29, 2011 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hopefully that taught Spacek to keep his goddamn feet to himself.

by Self Destructive Zones on Jun 29, 2011 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

oh nevermind then
it just seemed like he was always getting in peoples grills

by Ben Schnell on Jun 29, 2011 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think he only fought twice and those were his first two career NHL fights IIRC.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 29, 2011 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thats the kind of fighting I love as well.

by samspade on Jun 29, 2011 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

It’s General MacArthur!

by CGLN on Jun 29, 2011 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great names on Carolina

Jeff Skinner
Chad LaRose
Jamie MCBAIN!!!!!!!!

by samspade on Jun 29, 2011 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Listening to Bob Mcgowan from yesterday..

how good was the 1999 dallas team?

9 Mike Modano (A. Capt.)
21 Guy Carbonneau
25 Joe Nieuwendyk (A. Capt.)
12 Mike Keane
15 Jamie Langenbrunner
16 Pat Verbeek
22 Brett Hull
26 Jere Lehtinen
2 Derian Hatcher (Captain)
5 Darryl Sydor
56 Sergei Zubov (A. Capt.)
20 Ed Belfour

by Ben Schnell on Jun 29, 2011 10:44 AM EDT reply actions  

Didn't one of the Avs teams have

Sakic
Forsberg
Roy
Foote
Blake
Kariya
Selanne
Hejduk
Tanguay

I might be combining rosters from different years though…
But yes, that is a stacked Dallas team.

by potvin vs hextall on Jun 29, 2011 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

I dont think it had kariya or selanne, that’s ducks.. one sec

by Ben Schnell on Jun 29, 2011 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Kariya and Selanne played a season or 2 with the Av’s but never won the cup there.

by WizardofNaz on Jun 29, 2011 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

they were Av’s post lockout

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by elseldo on Jun 29, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

http://www.hockey-reference.com/teams/COL/2004.html – Second round exit.

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by Bower Power on Jun 29, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Avs definitely had Kariya and Selanne at one point, but they both underperformed and move elsewhere.

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DAL 1999 – mike madano, joe niewendyk, mike keane, jamie langenbrunner, brett hull, jere legtinen, derian hatcher, darryl sydor, sergei zubov, ed belfour
NJ 2000 – patrik elias, alex mogiliny, petr sykora, scott gomez, jason arnott, brian rafalski, bobby holik, scott neidermayer, scott stevens, martin brodeur
COL 2001 – joe sakic, peter forsberg, minal hejuk, alex tanguay, chris durry, ray bourque, adam foote, rob blake, patrick roy
DET 2002 – brendan shanahan, sergei fedorov, brett hull, nick lidstrom, luc robitaille, steve yzerman, igor larianov, chris chelios, pavel datsyuk, kris draper,tomas holmstrom, dominic hasek

holy crap it must have been competitive

by Ben Schnell on Jun 29, 2011 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

And they could only beat Hasek by cheating…

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by Semi_Colon on Jun 29, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

They were ridiculously better than the Sabres but they still had to cheat to beat Dominik Hasek.

/fume

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by Ubiquitous on Jun 29, 2011 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

02 Wings

Yzerman, Larionov, Datsyuk, Draper, Fedorov, Shanahan, Hull, Maltby, Robitaille, Holmstrom, Draper, McCarty @ forward

Lidstrom, Dandenault, Chelions, Duchesne on defense

Hasek in net

by samspade on Jun 29, 2011 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

That’s an OK team.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 29, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

That like a top 12/bottom FU line up.

by Leaf in Habland on Jun 29, 2011 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

since the CC died a while ago

I’ll ask here I guess.

anyone in S. ontario ever go watch the Intercounty Baseball League?

M’boy is loving watching jays games on TV so i thought it’d be a cheaper way of getting him to a real ball game, so i thought I’d ask about those games (i haven’t been to a non-MLB game since the jays A affiliate left town in ’99)

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by elseldo on Jun 29, 2011 10:46 AM EDT reply actions  

I went to a Barrie Baycats game once. I don’t really remember much of it. Sorry to be of absolutely no help whatsoever.

Although, alot of the locals here in Barrie do seem to enjoy them. So take that for what it’s worth.

by Self Destructive Zones on Jun 29, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nope. I do know the Toronto team plays out of Christie Pits

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by leafer1984 on Jun 29, 2011 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Jays seats in the upper deck are only about $14 I believe. Although it’s everything else (food/drinks/getting to and from the Dome) that adds up.

by lucc on Jun 29, 2011 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

2nd level in the outfield is also only like $30. really not that much.great action too the way the jays can hit.

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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jun 29, 2011 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

I paid 18 a piece for Saturday upper deck tickets. Roy Halladay’s first game back in T.O. so I’m hoping the atmosphere will be awesome.

by LeaferinOttawa on Jun 29, 2011 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

yeah you can get cheap seats in the ‘dome but I’m not in TO and upper-upper deck seatig may not be a great experience for a 3 year old

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by elseldo on Jun 29, 2011 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

For a young kid an Intercounty game would be a good time (solid baseball atmosphere, mascot/player interaction, the ball parks often have a ‘kid zone’ of some kind) and you get good bang for your buck.

by LeaferinOttawa on Jun 29, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Are we thinking of the same IBC? The one in Kitchener kinda sucked for the games I went to… maybe it was just bad games or something idn?

by WizardofNaz on Jun 29, 2011 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Looking past the Fat Cats terrible play, the stadium did put on a good show from a kid’s perspective. And most 3 year old kids would only be half paying attention to the actual game play anyway.

by LeaferinOttawa on Jun 29, 2011 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

yeah why I’d rather spend $7 for the both of us to go..if we were still in Toronto it’d be easier since the Maple Leafs play at Christie Pits and there’s no admission.

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by elseldo on Jun 29, 2011 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

yeah thats the league i mean we’ll be in Kitchener next weekend, and Burlignton is in town on sunday

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by elseldo on Jun 29, 2011 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well I say try it out worst comes to worst and you leave after a few innings because your son gets bored…

by WizardofNaz on Jun 29, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, he’s usually pretty good at hockey games, as long as the popcorn doesnt run out, we’ve never had to get out of our seats for any other reason, but thats hockey and much faster than baseball…

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by elseldo on Jun 29, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

well the IBC is okay baseball, but the atmosphere at the games isn’t that great I’ve been to like 3 games (my one friend’s brother played for the Kitchener Panthers) and there were only like 75-100 people there and it was pretty quiet.

I say go to a afternoon game on a Saturday against a team like the Redsox or Yankees when the Dome will be mostly full. Splurge on the $30 2nd level tickets. Not only will your son be wide eyed at how big the place is, on junior jay saturdays the kids can go down onto the field after the game and actually run the base paths, which again I’m sure a 3 year old would love.

by WizardofNaz on Jun 29, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, theres that, I just remembered goign to Single-A Jays games in St. Catharines as a kid and loving it, but maybe it all depends on the town your in for crowds.

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by elseldo on Jun 29, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Can you just walk up to the box office and buy a ticket or do you have to order them in advance online? I’m gonna in be in TO in a couple weeks and plan on catching a game.

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by theninjagreg on Jun 29, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

for most jays gam,es you can walk up, depends on if you care where you sit for big event games, like Canada Day, and…um….others..its best to order online.

only sellout is opening day really

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by elseldo on Jun 29, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

You can walk right up if you’re pretty flexible. If you want a specific section you should probably order online.

Hell you can walk up like 3 innings into a game and still get good tickets so no biggie.

by WizardofNaz on Jun 29, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks. What about TFC games? $37.50 for yellows? Is this any good?

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by theninjagreg on Jun 29, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

No idea never been able to go

by WizardofNaz on Jun 29, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

If you’re a soccer fanatic, maybe. Other than that I don’t think it’s worth it. The team sucks and (large) beers are literally $14 each.

by lucc on Jun 29, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

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by thenumber14 on Jun 29, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Box office is always open

lots of scalpers too. But odds are, the july 2nd game will sell out (if not already)

by bowling_kid25 on Jun 29, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

gonna go grab 500 level tickets tomorrow, Pops bought them for Canada day thinking Halladay was pitching, may as well return the favor the next day.

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by thenumber14 on Jun 29, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Mind you, I work a block away from the Rogers Centre

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by thenumber14 on Jun 29, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Lucky you. I would probably have season tickets if that was the case

by WizardofNaz on Jun 29, 2011 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Every day there’s a game I walk past and consider buying a ticket. But I don’t want to be that dude Who gets shittered and starts chirping the other team from the 500’s by himself.

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by thenumber14 on Jun 29, 2011 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

It should be… I kinda wish I was going to that game.

by WizardofNaz on Jun 29, 2011 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

I have no doubt the atmosphere will be awesome

Thats why i bought tickets to the whole weekend at the start of the season, so i wouldn’t miss him =D

Its a shame they won’t push Romero back a day. Make it even more special, then having CV try to out duel Doc.

by bowling_kid25 on Jun 29, 2011 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good Point. Villaneuva has shown he can be a respectable starter, but asking him to outduel Doc is like asking Mike Komisarek to pot 30 goals next season. By the way, where are your seats?

by LeaferinOttawa on Jun 29, 2011 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

I worked for the Ottawa Fat Cats last year, and though the team was terrible (you know you are brutal when you miss the 8 team playoff in a 9 team league) it was entertaining to watch the other respectable ball clubs.

by LeaferinOttawa on Jun 29, 2011 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

bring back the stompers! (I’m guessing that’s who you’re talking about)

by Hanzi on Jun 29, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

yep. loved those games, but no stadium upgraddes were going to happen…

Best part after they changed the name form Blue jays to Stompers was all the giveaways were still Blue jays branded

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by elseldo on Jun 29, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

what ever happened to the London Tigers?

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I picked up so many cute 12 year old girls in Labatt Park (I was also 12, so don’t get any ideas).

I think some teams still play at labatt park actually. those games could be fun….

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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jun 29, 2011 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

They left.
Were replaced by the London Werewolves for a time. They were pretty successful, won a championship in 1999 IIRC. I got to be a bat-boy for the road team one game. The manager asked me to get him a sandwich. I came back and told him what it cost and he lost it on me telling me he didn’t need to pay for it.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 29, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

For those interested in Orr. RT @HennyTweets: Right now the plan is for Colton to report to camp in mid September.

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by elseldo on Jun 29, 2011 11:23 AM EDT reply actions  

This.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 29, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

I hope this means he’s going to report to Habs camp to beat up people, and not Leafs camp to play hockey.

by potvin vs hextall on Jun 29, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Tyler Kennedy and Niclas Bergfors

Ran a list of all players, aged 22 to 26, who put up better than 0.5 points a game, in a minimum of 70 games, with less than 1,200 minutes of ice time (roughly 14-16 minutes a night), in either of the last two seasons.

http://hkref.com/tiny/3NaAJ

Look at what they did in comparison to some pretty good players, and without a wildly ridiculous shooting percentage like Kostitsyn and Downie.

I’d love to snap both of these guys up.

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by clrkaitken on Jun 29, 2011 11:29 AM EDT reply actions  

Asked Gus Kats or whatever on Twitter about Bergfors and the Leafs, said he has skills but attitude/effort issues.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 29, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think Kennedy is the type of guy Burke would prefer to sign anyways.

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by clrkaitken on Jun 29, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

although it would be an awkward hello with Luke Schenn, Hey man, no hard feelings about me pounding your face right?

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by LeafFan1989 on Jun 29, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

I seem to recall hearing things along these lines about Bergfors last year. He was occasionally a healthy scratch I think. Those issues notwithstanding though I think Bergfors would be worth a shot (given the term and price were appropriate). His Corsi rel number was pretty good (12.1, 26th in the league amongst players who played at least 60 games), and this was against respectable competition (Corsi QoC of 0.938, good for 28th in the league).

I’m trying to brush up on my understanding of some of these advanced stats, so if I’m completely off base with my impression of those corsi numbers please let me know.

by Self Destructive Zones on Jun 29, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

If you take out wild shooting percentages it gives you guys like:
Mason Raymond, Andrew Ladd, Sean Avery, Niclas Bergfors, Curtis Glencross, Teddy Purcell, Tyler Kennedy, Kyle Wellwood, David Booth, Jiri Hudler, Devin Setoguchi (2), Jussi Jokinen (2), Derek Roy, Thomas Vanek

by Ben Schnell on Jun 29, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Who are all #5-7 forwards, except for guys like Booth, Vanek, and Roy who are better

by Ben Schnell on Jun 29, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wow Vanek doesn’t get much ice time eh?

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by BCapp on Jun 29, 2011 11:48 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Vanek for Eberle, Paajarvi, Hall, RNH. Nice job Sabres.

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by Chemmy on Jun 29, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

We would have been fucked forever.

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by Chemmy on Jun 29, 2011 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

The media would have changed our name to the Toronto Maple EberlePaajarviHallNugget-Hopkinstraders

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 29, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Incorrect. Cody Hodgson, Yann Sauve, and Paajarvi

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by Ubiquitous on Jun 29, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

(Though the Sabres would have taken Tyler Myers at 10 and then someone else with their pick)

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by Ubiquitous on Jun 29, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

In fairness, the sabres would have (likely) drafted these players in 2008. Tyler Myers, Zach Boychuk, Tyler Ennis, Luke Adam, some other losers.

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by Ubiquitous on Jun 29, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s more the point that you guys have been in drafting purgatory for about two decades, and you have a pretty decent development system.

If you had of added a couple of kids like Paajarvi and Hodgson/Eberle, that would have been a big boost to your club.

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by clrkaitken on Jun 29, 2011 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but then i wouldn’t be able to make fun of the Kings for trading Tyler Myers for Colten Teubert

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by Ubiquitous on Jun 29, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m almost positive it was four firsts.

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by Chemmy on Jun 29, 2011 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think he’s implying that Vanek would have given them a few points in the standings. A dubious claim at best that reeks of Sabres bias.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 29, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

I generally assume the sabres and oilers would have just switched places because they were only a few points apart those two years.

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by Ubiquitous on Jun 29, 2011 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Except for the fact that you guys have goaltending and they don’t

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by clrkaitken on Jun 29, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

They still had roloson one of those years.

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by Ubiquitous on Jun 29, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nope, that was before people realized that the table went up every year.

Four firsts was like 7,200,000 that year.

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by Ubiquitous on Jun 29, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Seven years $50M is $7.142M and USA Today seems to think it was four firsts:

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/hockey/nhl/sabres/2007-07-06-vanek_N.htm

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by Chemmy on Jun 29, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ve always heard it as four firsts.

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by Bower Power on Jun 29, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mirtle seemed to think it was four firsts:

http://mirtle.blogspot.com/2007/07/oilers-offer-vanek-50-million.html

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by Chemmy on Jun 29, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

The RFA compensation is tied to the salary cap at the time. Here’s what HF Boards claims it was at the time:

http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?p=9619262

$5.8M – Four firsts

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by Chemmy on Jun 29, 2011 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

what was the cap that year? I’m still getting 7.26

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by Ubiquitous on Jun 29, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

nm you have it below.

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by Ubiquitous on Jun 29, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

$7.8M is the four first threshold with a $64M cap. In 07-08 the cap was $50.3M.

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/story/2007/06/29/nhl-cap-increase.html

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by Chemmy on Jun 29, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hm… I’m off by a year then. You win, it was 6.45 for four firsts.

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by Ubiquitous on Jun 29, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

It was 5.8 per Mirtle, HFBoards, and every site.

It was four firsts. Eberle, Paajarvi, Hall, RNH. Sabre Rattling called it at the time “take the picks Edmonton stinks”.

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by Chemmy on Jun 29, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ouch

Oilers dodged a huge bullet there. Imagine the Sabres with those guys?

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by Semi_Colon on Jun 29, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

If by “dodge a bullet” you mean “are so terrible that they managed to get good draft picks” then yes, bullet doged.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 29, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Those were all calculated without the 5% inflator though and were also underestimated by 5% more than that.

CBA ruins everything.

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by Ubiquitous on Jun 29, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m pretty sure everyone called it

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by leafer1984 on Jun 29, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Which brings up a relevant point.

Tampa’s at least got to consider taking the picks on a Stamkos offer sheet, right?

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by clrkaitken on Jun 29, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

If NYI, TOR or FLA offer? Absolutely.

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by Chemmy on Jun 29, 2011 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Let Stamkos go, sign Brad Richards and hope he’s only a 20% downgrade on Stamkos while your high firsts develop.

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by Chemmy on Jun 29, 2011 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or you let Stamkos go and a crummy team squeaks into the playoffs four times…

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by Chemmy on Jun 29, 2011 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m quite fond of the second option if said crummy team is the Leafs.

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by whyevenbother on Jun 29, 2011 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

This was obviously the fear with the Oilers especially because they finished ~20th 3 years in a row and one of those times they were in the finals.

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by Ubiquitous on Jun 29, 2011 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

It was actually Myers (#12 pick) not the #22 (Eberle) that Edm got from Anaheim for Pronger that Buffalo would’ve gotten so it would’ve worked out well for them lol. Myers + whoever they wanted to take at 13.

by WizardofNaz on Jun 29, 2011 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Funnier than that: When i didn’t see a reply from Chemmy for about an hour i thought “Oh crap i must be wrong and he’s going to linkspam me”

It seems i was correct.

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by Ubiquitous on Jun 29, 2011 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was at lunch.

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by Chemmy on Jun 29, 2011 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think I might have heard something about it being four firsts.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 29, 2011 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m very interested in Bergfors.

by TheCeej on Jun 29, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

From Puck Daddy today, re: Brad Richards:

“He wants to have an opportunity to be with a team that has good younger players coming in to fill, in a market where hockey matters game in and game out. He endured what happened in Dallas and in the down-step of Tampa at the time.”

Soooo . . . Toronto or New York.

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by Draglikepull on Jun 29, 2011 12:24 PM EDT reply actions  

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by Ubiquitous on Jun 29, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Whew, glad that’s all cleared up.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 29, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thank goodness we have an idea where he might sign now

by Ben Schnell on Jun 29, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

This just in: Nothing has change despite of round the clock reporting.

by Learn2Leaf on Jun 29, 2011 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pretty much sums up the last few months of B Richards reports.

by TheCeej on Jun 29, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

But they’re planning a 12 hour special anyway where they will show the same 30 seconds of stock brad richards footage constantly.

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by Ubiquitous on Jun 29, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

except the fans of the team who gets him go………..awwwww fucking shit………shit

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by LeafFan1989 on Jun 29, 2011 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

What? No, the fans of the team will go “FUCK YEAH!”, getting excited until the eventual realization of what the heard, upon which their reaction will become “How much?!”

by Learn2Leaf on Jun 29, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Odds are Richards won’t sign until some time after July 1, so TSN has time to plan several days worth of shows.

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by Draglikepull on Jun 29, 2011 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also, we all mock TSN for doing it, but I’ll definitely be tuning in at various points throughout the day.

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by Draglikepull on Jun 29, 2011 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I will be on the beach all day, but have signed up for TSN Mobile alerts.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 29, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m headed to the cottage – won’t even pay attention to the interwebs. If it hits CBC Radio, that’s the only way I’ll know if anything happens.

by Learn2Leaf on Jun 29, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

thats what a cottage is suppposed to be! Article i nThe Star this week said most new cottage buyers want internet & cable or no deal.

soft city folk.

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by elseldo on Jun 29, 2011 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Read the same thing. At our cottage we have TV, but thats just for if it rains and we are inside all day.

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by leafer1984 on Jun 29, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

we had a dvd player, thats it no phone, nothing. it was great. no one could get ahold of us at all

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by elseldo on Jun 29, 2011 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

The one time i stayed at a college the only entertainment we had was a slinky, a deck of cards, and a Happy Gilmore videotape.

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by Ubiquitous on Jun 29, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Happy Gilmore- greatest movie evvaaarrrr

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by happiergilmore on Jun 29, 2011 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I disagree, Happy Gilmore was a very good movie but Billy Madison is the greatest movie ever.

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by elseldo on Jun 29, 2011 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe… Maybe

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by happiergilmore on Jun 29, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

My friends cottage that I go to all the time has no electricity as its on its own island in the middle of the French river. Its great. Nothing around. They have propane stove/fridge and a gas pump for water and of course a septic tank. Nothing else.

by WizardofNaz on Jun 29, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Do they have a house? or do they live in the septic tank

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by happiergilmore on Jun 29, 2011 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha oh yah the small 3 bedroom cottage that is maybe 300 sqft total. but honestly its my favourite place on earth to get away from it all

by WizardofNaz on Jun 29, 2011 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Damn I just looked up pics of French River, looks so nice.

by TheCeej on Jun 29, 2011 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m jealous, my grandparents palce was on a nice small lake near Haliburton, but once the original land owners started selling/dying off the place changed to haven for as i said earlier “soft city folk”. they even changed the access road names from Stormy Lake Rd. North & South to “journeys End Trail” and BS like that, kids could run thorugh the woods aroudn the lake…ahhh i’m getting all grumbly old man thinking about it

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by elseldo on Jun 29, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

On top of the beautiful middle of nowhere one on the French river, their uncle owns (currently selling) a 3800 sq foot cottage on the other side of lake Nipissing by Sturgeon falls. Its where we go when there are too many people for the French. Although its now for sale.
Link to the real estate listing below…

http://letacarrdriveyouhome.com/listing-260-fort-rd-31.html

by WizardofNaz on Jun 29, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have a farm close in the Creemore-Mulmur area.

We have a 12 inch black and white tv with bunny ears- it’s from the 60’s… We get 5 channels, luckily CBC for HNIC

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by happiergilmore on Jun 29, 2011 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I won’t on TV but I will have the tracker going on my computer in the background

by WizardofNaz on Jun 29, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m gonna be in my gf’s pool. I was twitter for a reason

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by leafer1984 on Jun 29, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

what are you now? myspace?

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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 29, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Why did I say was? I HAVE twitter for a reason.

Also myspace is oh so lame…

so yes, I’m myspace

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by leafer1984 on Jun 29, 2011 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

You said “was” because subconsciously, you want to be the way people constantly share pieces of information, important or inane. /freud

by Learn2Leaf on Jun 29, 2011 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not saying they shouldn’t do it, but maybe cut it down by 4 hours.

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by Ubiquitous on Jun 29, 2011 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

in a market where hockey matters game in and game out.

I could have sworn “insiders” yapping continuously at us how he would only go to a “non-traditional market”.

Either they were full of shit, or his agent is leveraging the wallets of “traditional” markets to get a much bigger deal.

Possibly both. And definitely the latter, regardless of whether its true or not.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 29, 2011 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sadness that i no longer live there.

Black, who will also be president of the Amerks and will spend one day a week in Rochester, also had great news for Amerks fans – all season tickets, for any seat in the building, will be $10 per game.
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Marlies should totally do that (but 20$ instead i imagine)

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by Ubiquitous on Jun 29, 2011 12:35 PM EDT reply actions  

Hell, the Leafs should do that. Especially once the revenue from all those Stamkos jerseys starts rolling in.

by Self Destructive Zones on Jun 29, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thats cheaper than all OHL tickets, great news for fans in Rochester.

i never looked at Marlies ticket prices before…$40 for on the glass, $35 for side seats…It’s not NHL prices, but that does look like a lot

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by elseldo on Jun 29, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

yah it does seem like alot. I’d price them at $20 for side and $25 for glass. And that is still high

by WizardofNaz on Jun 29, 2011 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hamilton Bulldogs are $26 a seat.

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by elseldo on Jun 29, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

No wonder Ricoh never has anyone watching the games.

by TheCeej on Jun 29, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Though in Houston its like 80 dollars for on the glass (though way less for one row back)

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by Ubiquitous on Jun 29, 2011 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

DEVELOPMENTS!!!1
dchesnokov Dmitry Chesnokov
Varlamov’s Russian agent tells @plysenkov that Semyon picked the KHL. Didn’t name the club.

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by happiergilmore on Jun 29, 2011 1:10 PM EDT reply actions  

That sucks for WSH.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 29, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Luckily they also have Neuvirth and Holtby. Fuck Washington.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 29, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Woo! Mostly unproven goaltenders in a tandem! this totally has no chance of imploding.

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by Ubiquitous on Jun 29, 2011 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Shhh. Don’t jinx it for us ;)

by TheCeej on Jun 29, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Anyone following 94 prospects?

Holy snipe… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4KXcYA56g8

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by happiergilmore on Jun 29, 2011 1:21 PM EDT reply actions  

CC Content
TSNBobMcKenzie Bob McKenzie
I watched @JustinBieber’s Never Say Never movie on flight to Vegas last week. I challenge you to watch it and not admit the kid is a phenom.

a phenom of what, Bob?
empty fashion, soul crushing banality?

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by Future_considerations on Jun 29, 2011 1:26 PM EDT reply actions  

He’s a phenom in the same way that the Vancouver riots were started by a few left wing loons.

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by LeafBoy on Jun 29, 2011 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

makes girls scream and tons of cash.

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by elseldo on Jun 29, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think that technically makes him a phenom.

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by Ubiquitous on Jun 29, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ve never once doubted Beibers voice (when its not his annoying songs its very very good), plus he can play at least 5 different instruments. Its attitude and fucking awful songs that makes me hate him. Talent wise he’s good though.

by WizardofNaz on Jun 29, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

If Bob’s buying the beer necessary to have me sit through such a narcissistic and vacuous attempt at publicizing an already hyped up machine, I accept that challenge.

by Learn2Leaf on Jun 29, 2011 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

MikeColligan
Steven Stamkos free to negotiate offer sheets; salary cap and #TBLightning financial situation could be factors bit.ly/lf616E #NHL

So this is actually happening. Wow.

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by whyevenbother on Jun 29, 2011 1:31 PM EDT reply actions  

He doesn’t need to be given permission: This is always true for qualified RFAs.

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by Ubiquitous on Jun 29, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

But I honestly thought they would have signed him by now.

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by whyevenbother on Jun 29, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Stamkos’ agent has no reason not to make ownership sweat it out a few days.

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by Ubiquitous on Jun 29, 2011 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess so.

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by whyevenbother on Jun 29, 2011 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Funny how Crosby and Ovechkin came to deals much more amicably.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 29, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ovechkin got a bazillion dollars anyway and its not like Crosby came cheap (but a really short contract)

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by Ubiquitous on Jun 29, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Makes me think TBL is really being stupid by lowballing him.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 29, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fuck even CBJ came up with an 7.8M / year offer to keep Nash when he had the team by the balls.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 29, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

They’re deadlocked on how large his statue is going to be and whether or not they’re going to change the arena’s address to 91 this year or next year.

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by Ubiquitous on Jun 29, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nash was going to become a UFA. At least Stamkos is an RFA so Tampa still has a little room to manoeuvre.

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by T is for Truculence on Jun 29, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

If Stamkos is holding out, he may as well be UFA as not many teams are going to think twice about those 1st rounders if they could get him.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 29, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

So how bad is Tampa`s financial situation?

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by whyevenbother on Jun 29, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not terrible but they can’t exactly throw 100 million dollars at him.

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by Ubiquitous on Jun 29, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think it was a bit of a mistake not to file for club-elected arb though.

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by Ubiquitous on Jun 29, 2011 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did Tampa qualify Stamkos?

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by whyevenbother on Jun 29, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m going to go ahead and guess yes.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 29, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry, I’m still trying to learn the ins and outs of this side of hockey.

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by whyevenbother on Jun 29, 2011 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

If they didn’t i think Stevie Y. would have been instantaneously fired.

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by Ubiquitous on Jun 29, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, its one thing not to qualify Cal O’Reilly or Matt Halischuk…Stamkos, obviously another thing altogether

by Self Destructive Zones on Jun 29, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe the fax was broken...

DEAR GOD ITS 2011 WHY ARE WE STILL RELYING ON FAX MACHINES

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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 29, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

They couldn't go to arb, not enough years.

Same situation with Doughty IIRC.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 29, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Speaking of people going to make rediculous amounts of money…

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by Ubiquitous on Jun 29, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yup, Weber and Parise were both eligible.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 29, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

They can’t do that as he hasn’t played 4 years in the league.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 29, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I read that as:
Lecavelier was worth it but you aren’t.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 29, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would.

“My client has won the Rockt Richard Trophy and has 119 Goals and 113 Assists making 232 Points in 243 games and he’s ony 21. You’re move Mr. Yzerman”

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by elseldo on Jun 29, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s June 29. Why am I signing a contract when free agency starts in, at this point, 33 hours and change?

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by T is for Truculence on Jun 29, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m Steve Yzerman. Back to you.

by Learn2Leaf on Jun 29, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Not him but still

I can’t hear you with all the rings in my ears.

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by Ubiquitous on Jun 29, 2011 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

disclaimer: It's all speculation, and I don't believe it'll happen at all

So, could we get away with this:

•$6,268,175 — $7,835,219: Two first-round picks, a second and third

Or would it be ebst to go all out:
•$7,835,219 and higher: Four first-round picks

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by elseldo on Jun 29, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gotta go all out… But if Burke calls up Yzerman and says “look I’m going to drop a max offer sheet on Stamkos, maybe you’re willing to trade.” Then we make a deal for a few firsts, a solid player and one of our top prospects (Rynnas/Scrivens maybe since they need goaltending). That would make sense in my eyes

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by happiergilmore on Jun 29, 2011 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

heh

If we make a trade it’ll be because we’re not the only ones hoping to get an offer sheet in. A trade for Stamkos likely starts with our next four firsts, no lottery protection, no conditions.

Four firsts plus prospects.

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by Chemmy on Jun 29, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Philadelphia Ed Snider trades: 2012,2013,2014 and 2015 first-round picks, Sergei Bobrovsky, Brayden Schenn to Tampa Bay

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by clrkaitken on Jun 29, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

They’d need to clear cap space.

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by Chemmy on Jun 29, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can I just say that would make a fantastic subplot for 24/7 this year?

Philadelphia’s stuck against the cap and needs to something even more insane then trading their two best players to get compliant.

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by clrkaitken on Jun 29, 2011 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Being Paul Holmgren

I would make so many trades to Toronto

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by happiergilmore on Jun 29, 2011 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was thinking more along the lines of 2012-2014 firsts (all unprotected) + Kulie + Goalie prospect + Forward prospect

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by happiergilmore on Jun 29, 2011 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Four firsts, Colborne, Rynnas and Kulemin? Man that’s steep.

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by Chemmy on Jun 29, 2011 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’d be out after four firsts.

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by clrkaitken on Jun 29, 2011 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s 3 firsts..

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by happiergilmore on Jun 29, 2011 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

No that’s only 3 firsts. 2012, 2013, 2014.

It’s steep, but it’s Stamkos…

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by happiergilmore on Jun 29, 2011 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

No way Stamkos is worth that much. Even four firsts plus prospects is pushing it.

To put it in perspective, we traded Kessel for 2 firsts (plus more picks). His contract, if given as an offer sheet, would have required compensation of 1 first round picks. Is Stamkos really worth Kessel plus 3 first round picks?

by stevesmith19 on Jun 29, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, that depends a lot on the picks, doesn’t it?

I’d trade Biggs four times for Stamkos. I’m not sure I’d trade four Seguins.

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by Chemmy on Jun 29, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

For sure. Does getting Stamkos ensure that we give up Biggs or Seguin?

Personally, I trade picks in a heartbeat. Not four, mind you (since Stamkos is not worth 10 million per year), but I trade picks. Prospects, not so much.

by stevesmith19 on Jun 29, 2011 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

4 firsts kicks in as compensation this year at just over 7.8M.

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by clrkaitken on Jun 29, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

i’d give up a seguin, a Biggs a tlusty and a Percy for stamkos

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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 29, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I doubt it would be 4 Seguins, 4 Biggs, 4 Tlustys or 4 Percys

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by happiergilmore on Jun 29, 2011 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

We’d be doing nothing but adding to the current team, as well. Not sure we could beat FLA, EDM, or NYI to the bottom in our current state, unless we bring back Toskala.

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by Bower Power on Jun 29, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think with the addition of Stamkos (however the subtraction of Kulemin) we end up in the playoffs… How deep we go is another story, but picks are hardly guaranteed. If we’re in the playoffs, those picks are below 14 which isn’t that bad

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by happiergilmore on Jun 29, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s what we told ourselves after the Kessel deal. Then we got historically bad goaltending

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by clrkaitken on Jun 29, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Six goals equals a win. Stamkos scores 40 compared to Kulemin’s 25 and that’s about two wins.

It’ll still come down to goaltending for us.

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by Chemmy on Jun 29, 2011 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Which is still a question mark… Until Reimer proves otherwise

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by happiergilmore on Jun 29, 2011 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Look, if we’re throwing $10M at someone let’s convince Richards to do 4/$40 million.

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by clrkaitken on Jun 29, 2011 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

You get a rec

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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 29, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don’t get me wrong; I’m with Chemmy on not wanting to pay for Brad Richards’ reetirement cottage.

But I don’t want to give up half our team to get Stamkos.

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by clrkaitken on Jun 29, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Your devotion to this cause is impressive, gotta say

by Self Destructive Zones on Jun 29, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Captain going down with the ship and all that…

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by clrkaitken on Jun 29, 2011 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

He won’t take it though.. He wants long term, cause he knows he’s going to fall off a bit

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by happiergilmore on Jun 29, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

7×7 = 49
12×3 = 36, he’d need to find a deal worth 13M over four years to catch up to that long deal and it’s only three years. He could be huge in Toronto and cash in more than that…

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by Chemmy on Jun 29, 2011 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wish we could talk directly to his agent with these arguments because they make sense.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 29, 2011 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

We could convince anyone to sign in Toronto.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 29, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

He could invest his extra money and make most of that 13M anyways.

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by clrkaitken on Jun 29, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

any contract he signs is going to be super-front loaded anyway.

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by Ubiquitous on Jun 29, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Obviously. or SHOULD be anyway if both sides want to maximize the impact of the signing.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 29, 2011 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or he could do 7×8 with Sather, and still have a giant fanbase to sign marketing deals for.

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by Bower Power on Jun 29, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Giant fanbase for marketing deals?

Toronto?

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by Chemmy on Jun 29, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

also he can go home on weekends for a home cooked dinner with his mother!

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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 29, 2011 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

But with 7×8 in NY, he gets long term and large money. If he takes a 2-3 year deal from us, he has to sign a new contract then, and probably won’t be worth more than 4 or 5

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by happiergilmore on Jun 29, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Time value of money.

He gets more up front and invests the difference. If he gets another contract that’s a bonus.

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by clrkaitken on Jun 29, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Eventually he's going to have two massive deals in front of him.

Gotta think it comes down to which one he thinks has a better shot of success / where he has a better chance of fitting in, being happy, etc.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 29, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

still.

Not saying NYR would be better, but if he’s also looking for a long term deal, he’s more likely to get it in NYR, and I don’t think the TOR marketing deals would be the push over NYR.

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by Bower Power on Jun 29, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Somehow Burke has to convince Richards that Toronto has a better shot at winning the Cup than NYR does with him in the lineup.

Wouldn’t want to be the guy who has to write that speech.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 29, 2011 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Shouldn’t be hard:

“Brad, in New York you’ll have Gaborik on your wing. For 12 games. Then you’ll have 8 years with nobodies. Sign in Toronto and you can be dishing to Kessel 82 games a year.”

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by Draglikepull on Jun 29, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mike Ulmer wrote a blog post about this a while back...

Here are some good excerpts:

It will fall to Burke, therefore, to use his own brand of scouring diplomacy in wooing the remaining pieces. I’m guessing the conversation would go something like this…

"It takes a certain guy to play here and I need to know if you’re that kind of guy. Mostly, I need to know whether you are a part-time hockey player."

All these reporters just means there is always someone to talk to you as you take your skates off after practice. And that’s without winning. Multiply everything tenfold when we win, and we are going to win. When? I don’t know. You know what? It’s going to rain. I don’t know when, but I know it’s going to rain."

“Going to tell you a story. In the Summit Series – Frank Mahovlich played for Canada and Valeri Kharlamov was a star for Russia. Don’t worry, I’ll tell you all about it should if you come here. Anyway, they are talking through an interpreter and Frank says to Val ‘come to Canada and I will make you a millionaire.’ And Kharlamov says to Frank ‘come to Russia and I will make you a king.’

“And that’s the bottom line. Which one do you do you want to be? Every team has millionaires. I’m looking for one or two kings."

To put it in context — these quotes are made up. Ulmer is putting words in Burke’s mouth. LINK:

by lucc on Jun 29, 2011 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ve said plenty of times I’d do league max for three years to Richards.

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by Chemmy on Jun 29, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

don’t have the $$$

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by birky on Jun 29, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Get creative.

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by Chemmy on Jun 29, 2011 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can go 10% over in the summer. Ditch salary for nothing.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 29, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Komisarek + 2nd to FLA for futures

There’s your cap space.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 29, 2011 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

We’d have to cut one of Bozak, Schenn, or MacA loose

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by birky on Jun 29, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Says who? we have cap space tied up in players like Komisarek or Lupul who are expendable

by WizardofNaz on Jun 29, 2011 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Komi has a NMC and a limited NTC. I think Burke has high hopes for Lupul.

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by birky on Jun 29, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

So you’re telling me Burke would prefer to hope on Lupul instead of signing Richards?

Trust me if Burke needed to find money to sign a player like Richards then Lupul would be on a plane within an hour.

That being said Burke doesn’t seem to be the type to max offer someone to reduce the years on a deal.

by WizardofNaz on Jun 29, 2011 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

This Brian Campbell thing has people going mad. Lots of players, and I’d include Lupul among them, are difficult if not impossible to move. If teams could just dump anyone they didn’t want, the Leafs would have been free of Finger and Komisarek long before now.

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by Draglikepull on Jun 29, 2011 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cap space, if it’s a matter of a few million, is not an insurmountable task to find.

If its 4M+ you need to find, well then you have to start getting creative.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 29, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lupul is $4million+

Teams are reluctant to take on big salaries for overpaid players unless the other team is taking a big salary in return. One trade last week doesn’t change that.

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by Draglikepull on Jun 29, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ya I don’t know if Lupul is easily movable.

But other pieces we have are.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 29, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Other pieces that we actually might want to move? Unless we’re getting something extremly good back (coughmikerichards) I don’t want us moving guys like Kulemin or Grabbo.

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by Draglikepull on Jun 29, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kulemin or Grabbo wouldn't have to go, they are on cheap contracts already.

Overpay with a pick and run Komisarek out of town. Waive Lebda to the Marlies. Use Caputi (525k cap hit) as our 4th liner instead of Orr.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 29, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I doubt anyone would take Komisarek on unless the pick was a 1st, and that’s a complete non-starter to me. Waiving Lebda saves us at most about $900000, and replacing Orr with Caputi saves us about half that (and, BTW, I can’t see Burke ever dumping Orr).

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by Draglikepull on Jun 29, 2011 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

If Burke offered a 2nd round pick alongside Lupul for a decent prospect many of the teams with capspace would take it.

by WizardofNaz on Jun 29, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also:

Brian Campbell, in this market, is probably worth 5-7 million

Komisarek is worth what? 2million? 3?

by samspade on Jun 29, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Would you trade Komisarek for Keith Ballard?

Ballard $4.2M for 4 years, Komi $4.5m for 3 yrs

I would but I doubt Vancouver would but I have no idea how Ballard fits into their plans ex-Erhoff

by Dr_Furious on Jun 29, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Talk about trying to find the lesser of two evils

by Self Destructive Zones on Jun 29, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think if cap space was really the problem we'd find a way.

Lebda can be waived. We dont need to sign a $2M 4th liner, bring up the best current Marlie to play the 4th line instead. See if anyone will give up a few picks for MacArthur, replace that spot with Kadri, etc. etc.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 29, 2011 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Do not want to trade Macarthur to make room for Richards.

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by Draglikepull on Jun 29, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Those are examples of possible things you can do to make cap room.

And if it was one or the other – keep MacArthur’s rights and lose the chance at signing Richards to a 3-year contract,

or

trade MacArthur for picks and get that contract,

goodbye MacArthur.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 29, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not unless the picks are firsts from a basement dweller.

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by Draglikepull on Jun 29, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

You are overvaluing MacArthur IMO.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 29, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I do not want this team giving up anything better than a 4th liner to allow us to sign Richards.

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by Draglikepull on Jun 29, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hopefully we won't have to.

But if we could get Richards for a 3 year contract it’s hard to argue it’s not a good idea. Keep him in only his prime years?

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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 29, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

You think MacA is worth a top 10 pick? Really?

by WizardofNaz on Jun 29, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, I think MacA has decent long-term value to this team and I’m tired of the Leafs getting rid of young players to make room for overpaid veterans.

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by Draglikepull on Jun 29, 2011 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, I’d say Burke would keep Lupul over MacArthur or Bozak.

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by birky on Jun 29, 2011 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

We traded Kessel for 2 1sts and 2nd, and at the time an offer sheet for 5.4M would have cost us (I believe) a 1st, 2nd and 3rd.

Instead of a 3rd, we had to pay a premium of an extra 1st.

If stamkos gets sheeted for four firsts, then you’d have to pay a premium on top of that to get him in a trade.

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by clrkaitken on Jun 29, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Different optics I think. If we had offer sheeted Kessel then the Bruins would have matched. Overpaying $1M for him is worth not losing a first. Similarly for Toronto we didn’t want to offer Kessel $7M a season.

With a four 1st offer sheet that scenario disappears.

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by Chemmy on Jun 29, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

two firsts, two 2nds Kadri, Grabbo, Rynnas,
4 good picks, a 60 point 2nd line center a good prospect and a goalie prospect

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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 29, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think I wouldn’t do that.

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by Chemmy on Jun 29, 2011 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

that’s the max offer, you start lower of course, no 2nds or Rynnas, hope they bite

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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 29, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, I think I’d just offer sheet him for four firsts and a lot of money. It’s the money that forces Tampa’s hand. Don’t give them Kadri and Grabovski to save $2M on the cap hit.

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by Chemmy on Jun 29, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

then they match, I’m 100 percent sure they match anything and sell off everything else at bargain basements to fit him

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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 29, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

But then, wouldn’t it be easier just to give him what he wants now, rather than having to inflate the offer later?

or am I totally not grasping the concept of offer sheets?

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by whyevenbother on Jun 29, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Then they spend $10M on Stamkos instead of $7.9. Whatever.

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by Chemmy on Jun 29, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

then we poach hedman!

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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 29, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

If Burke has is heart set on Stamkos, offer sheeting is the way to go. This I agree with 100%.

by stevesmith19 on Jun 29, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

multiple firsts, Reimer, Kadri/Colborne, Grabovski if I’m TB

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by birky on Jun 29, 2011 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s insane and still probably where Tampa starts

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by clrkaitken on Jun 29, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

July 1 is going to be a lot of fun if he doesn’t re-sign.

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by elseldo on Jun 29, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Everyone’s distracted by Stamkos and someone’s going to straight steal Drew Doughty.

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by clrkaitken on Jun 29, 2011 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

We all know how much Burke likes his D.

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by whyevenbother on Jun 29, 2011 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Doughty-Myers
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I like Doughty-Schenn better.

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by clrkaitken on Jun 29, 2011 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah. I’d straight offer sheet him. No sense in tossing in more than those firsts. Kadri likely more valuable to the club than a 2015 first.

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by Chemmy on Jun 29, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Offer sheet makes more sense than trade for this reason. But I’m also opposed to an offer sheet because you have to overpay.

by stevesmith19 on Jun 29, 2011 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is league max for max term over paying for a 21 year old who’s already won a Richard?

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by happiergilmore on Jun 29, 2011 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’d be making more than Crosby, Ovechkin, and Malkin.

by stevesmith19 on Jun 29, 2011 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right. So Crosby, Ovechkin and Malkin would come and beat him up… He’s in their tier as a hockey player

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by happiergilmore on Jun 29, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Crosby/Ovechkin put up over 100 points in their rookie seasons. Malkin had almost twice as many points as him in his rookie season.

by stevesmith19 on Jun 29, 2011 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ovechkin: 21 minutes a game
Crosby: 20 minutes a game
Stamkos: 14 minutes a game.

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by Ubiquitous on Jun 29, 2011 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah I was about to pull that out… Stamkos is easily in the top tier of NHL players- and at the age of 21. He’s worth league max.

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by happiergilmore on Jun 29, 2011 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

That still doesn’t make up the discrepancy. Granted, he is a very good player. But he’s not at Crosby’s level.

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Nobody said he was. But is Malkin on Crosby’s level? Ovechkin?

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by happiergilmore on Jun 29, 2011 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh my.

Rec.

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by happiergilmore on Jun 29, 2011 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Instantly green

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by Chemmy on Jun 29, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Caps also gone up by like 15% since they signed their deals.

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by clrkaitken on Jun 29, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ha!

We’re worried about “overpaying” on a Stamkos offer sheet / trade?

Trust me, it will be probably the most overpayment in the history of the NHL. It might still be worth it.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 29, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

If we could do the trade without giving up Kadri, I’d be all over it (barring an absolutely ridiculous offer)

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by happiergilmore on Jun 29, 2011 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

If I’m Toronto, I walk away from that immediately.

by stevesmith19 on Jun 29, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

of course you do. that’s not the point. it’s how much would the Lightning have to get to mvoe Stamkos?

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by birky on Jun 29, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with you that they’d ask for everything under the sun.

Wait until he has an off season, then you make the trade.

by stevesmith19 on Jun 29, 2011 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

No way on Earth TBL lets him go for anything less than the four 1st rounders

and even then I think they’d be stupid.

Then again, I don’t have to pay the $100M offer he might get.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 29, 2011 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rules don’t apply in unicorn fantasy land.

Spend away.

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by Ubiquitous on Jun 29, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

woohoo!

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by elseldo on Jun 29, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Have to figure this is the number Stamkos is looking at. Why accept an offer of 6-7 mill from TB when you’ve got to figure a few teams would pay 7.5+and 2 first rounders( that TB would probably be forced to match). I’m guessing TB will eventually give relent and resign him in the next day or so at 7.5+

by rpop on Jun 29, 2011 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hope Burkie is tampering the fuck out of this situation

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by Future_considerations on Jun 29, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

He can’t tamper. He’s allowed to call Stamkos’ agent and say “I WILL GIVE YOU LEAGUE MAX FOR TEN YEARS TO COME TO TORONTO. SAY YES AND I WILL FAX THE OFFER SHEET RIGHT NOW.”

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by Chemmy on Jun 29, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can’t sign offersheet until July 1st

by WizardofNaz on Jun 29, 2011 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I doubt Stamos’ agent is taking phone calls at the moment; probably taking measurements for the future pit of money he’ll be swimming in Scrooge McDuck style.

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by clrkaitken on Jun 29, 2011 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know it was just a typo, but its still hilarious to me that you typed Stamos instead of Stamkos

by Self Destructive Zones on Jun 29, 2011 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think Stamos’ agent is taking too many phone calls these days…

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by clrkaitken on Jun 29, 2011 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, he wouldn’t even need to take measurements for a wading pool for anything John Stamos is bringin’ in these days

by Self Destructive Zones on Jun 29, 2011 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Meeh Stamos is prolly getting quite a bit of money for syndication of Full House.

by WizardofNaz on Jun 29, 2011 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Stamos!

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by elseldo on Jun 29, 2011 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Burke won’t make an offer and we all know it.

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by birky on Jun 29, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

But some one might. That’s the fun.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 29, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

KEVIN LOWE

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PEGULA

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The NHL would explode in a puff of anti-logic.

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by Ubiquitous on Jun 29, 2011 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

pardigm shifts 4 everyone

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by Future_considerations on Jun 29, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

If hall plays better than last year, the Sabres should totally revenge offer-sheet him.

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by Ubiquitous on Jun 29, 2011 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

/insert “Dogs & cats living together” clip here

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by Future_considerations on Jun 29, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I whole heartedly support this.

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by elseldo on Jun 29, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

What is he, 22? 13 years, $120 million. Get ’er done.

by World's Worst Man on Jun 29, 2011 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Started with this:

commie22 Mike Commodore
@MCammalleri13 I have a question Monsieur Cammalleri…what hotel is your favorite hotel in Moscow?

Eventuall turned itno this:

commie22 Mike Commodore
My inside joke to @MCammalleri13 is being taken the wrong way. I am not looking to go to the KHL.

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by elseldo on Jun 29, 2011 1:42 PM EDT reply actions  

hahahahahaha

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by Semi_Colon on Jun 29, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh he is… He just doesn’t know it yet.

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by Ubiquitous on Jun 29, 2011 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

and now it's at
commie22 Mike Commodore
Just to make sure all is clear, @MCammalleri13 is not headed to the KHL either. We played at the worlds in Moscow in 07..that was the hotel

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by elseldo on Jun 29, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Leafer87 and I are having a debate (kind of) about who’d be more valuable to the Pens next year, Jagr or Kennedy.
So my question is if you had to choose one of TK or Jagr, who’d you take?

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Kennedy… Jagr doesn’t have many years left in him I don’t think- Kennedy is approaching his prime.

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by happiergilmore on Jun 29, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Like many people, i judge player skill by quality of mullet, so JAGR all the way.

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by Ubiquitous on Jun 29, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Plus if they have Crosby-Staal-Kennedy down the middle, they have a top line of Malkin – Crosby – Neal

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by happiergilmore on Jun 29, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kennedy’s a winger

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by clrkaitken on Jun 29, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

No. He’s a center

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by happiergilmore on Jun 29, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

http://penguins.nhl.com/club/player.htm?id=8471311

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by happiergilmore on Jun 29, 2011 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

He took 60 faceoffs last season

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by clrkaitken on Jun 29, 2011 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pittsburgh’s been using him primarily as a winger for the last three years.

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by clrkaitken on Jun 29, 2011 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

for SId.

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by Leafer87 on Jun 29, 2011 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Pens site has him listed as a C.

by leaflover4ever on Jun 29, 2011 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kennedy

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by Chemmy on Jun 29, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

MISTER…..KENNE-D-Y!!!

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 29, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would take Kennedy. I think Jagr is just too old now

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by Future_considerations on Jun 29, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kennedy, but this is the team that traded for Kovalev last season (okay it was an almost nothing pick they gave away, but still)

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by elseldo on Jun 29, 2011 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

it was conditional on Kovalev’s re-signing i think so it was in fact… nothing.

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by Ubiquitous on Jun 29, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

hey there’s still time.

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by elseldo on Jun 29, 2011 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kovalev hasn’t signed with the retirement league KHL yet? Impressive.

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by Ubiquitous on Jun 29, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think TK > Jagr is a no brainer. I don’t see much appeal in bringing Jagr back.

by leaflover4ever on Jun 29, 2011 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Leafs’ situation != Pens’ situation.
The Pens are looking to compete now, and JJ is obviously more talented than TK. I think he still has enough juice left in him, and he could be that mystery winger Sid’s looking for. Plus there’s that emotional attachment thing.

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by Leafer87 on Jun 29, 2011 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Erie Otters have selected Sondre Olden in the CHL import draft.

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by Bower Power on Jun 29, 2011 2:04 PM EDT reply actions  

YAY

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by Chemmy on Jun 29, 2011 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Majors/Otters games, here I come

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by clrkaitken on Jun 29, 2011 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I Always hit up an Otters/Ice Dogs game, now it’s more motivation

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by elseldo on Jun 29, 2011 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

First game, let’s go

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by leafer1984 on Jun 29, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Erie comes to town once; Sun Feb 26.

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by clrkaitken on Jun 29, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Majors only play once? we ahve 7 games VS Erie…..must be geography.

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by elseldo on Jun 29, 2011 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess I’m gonna have to go to a Batallion game as well

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by leafer1984 on Jun 29, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’ll be easy to get seats there for sure.

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by elseldo on Jun 29, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sun Jan 15

That’s it.

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by clrkaitken on Jun 29, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fuckin OHL

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by leafer1984 on Jun 29, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

they have the same conference rule as the NHL once per team outside your conference, the players still have school to go to remember.

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by elseldo on Jun 29, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

31st overall, I should add.

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by Bower Power on Jun 29, 2011 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

But he’s an older prospect so teams likely passed on him to get a player who would be with them longer than Olden.

Going 31st while drafted is likely a good sign for how CHL GMs value his contribution.

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by Chemmy on Jun 29, 2011 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’s just turning 18…

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by happiergilmore on Jun 29, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

But yeah, I guess, since he’s already been drafted

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by happiergilmore on Jun 29, 2011 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

He turns 19 in 2 months… He has one CHL season (plus one overage season if needed) left.

by WizardofNaz on Jun 29, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ugh typos… He was the youngest in last years draft, IIRC

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by happiergilmore on Jun 29, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just to confirm this, by the way, you can see the results here. No player taken before Olden was drafted in 2010.

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by Bower Power on Jun 29, 2011 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Soo just took another 2010 draftee at #34.

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by clrkaitken on Jun 29, 2011 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

WOOOOO WAY TO GO SHERRY.

Better call him and tell him I want Olden and McKegg on the top line

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by happiergilmore on Jun 29, 2011 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Burke’s probably already on the phone.

by stevesmith19 on Jun 29, 2011 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Will McKegg return next year?

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by Chemmy on Jun 29, 2011 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is he eligible for the AHL? I don’t think he is, I may be wrong though. I don’t see the point in taking him out early, let him play another year.

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by happiergilmore on Jun 29, 2011 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

no. It’s NHL or OHL for McKegg

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by birky on Jun 29, 2011 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh. Duh.

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by Chemmy on Jun 29, 2011 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

So why were you asking if he would return?

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by happiergilmore on Jun 29, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wasn’t

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by birky on Jun 29, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

That was meant for Chemmy, my bad.

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by happiergilmore on Jun 29, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pretty sure

he’s their captain and is eligible. He’d have to crack the Toronto roster.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 29, 2011 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

“Next year” 2011-12 or 2012-13?

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by clrkaitken on Jun 29, 2011 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

ohh, he could play with McKegg now.

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by elseldo on Jun 29, 2011 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

MCKEGG + OLDEN = TORONTO LOVE

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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 29, 2011 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Awesome!

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by fatassjackson on Jun 29, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Erie got his pick in a steal of a trade:

Plymouth Whalers […] traded the Whalers’ first pick and 31st overall […] to Erie. In exchange, Plymouth receives a 7th round selection in the 2012 Ontario Hockey League Priority Selection and a 5th round pick in the 2014 OHL Draft.

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by Bower Power on Jun 29, 2011 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

The odds of Import players coming over must be considerably lower to warrant such a low return.

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by clrkaitken on Jun 29, 2011 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also I wish somebody would make a new version of EHM

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by clrkaitken on Jun 29, 2011 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Updated rosters are still being created by the fan community, though.

by Peter Lynn on Jun 29, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah. Viktor Rask got taken 3rd overall, then his agent said he wouldn’t be playing on the Hitmen. Completely burned pick. Weird that someone wouldn’t be interested in taking Olden earlier – it’s less time with him, but he’s already said he’s coming over.

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by Bower Power on Jun 29, 2011 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

w00t!

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by Frag on Jun 29, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Anyone else think it could be fun if all the PPPers were to simultaneously post something like “OMG Leafs just traded for Stamkos!!!” on Twitter and see how far it gets before people realise it’s a hoax?

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by Draglikepull on Jun 29, 2011 2:10 PM EDT reply actions  

No.

Jeffler did that last year. It didn’t get received well.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 29, 2011 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pft. Kids these days.

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by Draglikepull on Jun 29, 2011 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Poor Bob Mckenzie would have to shoot that down for the next 24 hours straight with no sleep.

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i’m sure his beiber record collection would work to sooth his jangled nerves

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by Future_considerations on Jun 29, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

that was funny

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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 29, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

He was pretty upset about it.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 29, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

that kinda made it funnier

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by elseldo on Jun 29, 2011 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh my yes.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 29, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

He wasn’t trying to be funny he was trying to prove a point. When it didn’t go over well he tried to laugh it off as a joke but that didn’t work that great either

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by T is for Truculence on Jun 29, 2011 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Penguins offer Jagr 1yr / $2 million

Globe & Mail

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by elseldo on Jun 29, 2011 2:40 PM EDT reply actions  

Meh

we’ll see if he accepts it.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 29, 2011 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

RealKyper Nick Kypreos
#NHL moves. Sounding like #Canadiens traded James Wisniewski “rights” to #Bluejackets.

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by Bower Power on Jun 29, 2011 2:50 PM EDT reply actions  

I wanted that bullet.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 29, 2011 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

he is going to get so paid, same with Erhoff and kaberle

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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 29, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dmen are getting huge contracts.

Trading for Liles (maybe slightly overpaid, but expiring) is looking better and better

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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 29, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

yup, one of the many reasons it was a fine bit of trade craft,

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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 29, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am so happy

Bieksa only took 4.6

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by Semi_Colon on Jun 29, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

You say "only" but

That’s still not cheap.

You better hope he doesn’t go all Komisarek / Ballard on you.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 29, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well yeah

That’s the risk anyone takes with any contract. Still better than paying him 5M+, like I’m sure Detroit was willing to spend

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by Semi_Colon on Jun 29, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Like a certain other, former Vancouver Dman is about to get

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by Semi_Colon on Jun 29, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Aportzline Aaron Portzline RT’d by TSNBobMcKenzie #CBJ give up 7th round pick in 2012. Becomes a 5th round pick if they sign him.

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by Bower Power on Jun 29, 2011 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

A lot of these “expiring UFA for late round picks” happening.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 29, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Funny when you think about Burke a couple weeks ago saying the league was frowning on people trying to “jump the queue”.

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by Draglikepull on Jun 29, 2011 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought he said that he doesn’t like it

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by happiergilmore on Jun 29, 2011 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

AHL Affiliations for 2011-2012

Vancouver & Chicago – hahahaha! Wolves goal song should be Chelsea Dagger

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by elseldo on Jun 29, 2011 2:54 PM EDT reply actions  

and the Winnipeg - St. john's affiliation?

Generic logos for all!

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by elseldo on Jun 29, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe we weren't so crazy after all

Ok #Flyers fans, I’m told that if the Flyers decide to give Stamkos an offer sheet it’s for $115 mil over 12 years with a full no-trade.
- Anthony SanFilippo

He’s worth Ovechkin money apparently. (And the Flyers REALLY HATE first round draft picks)

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by Ubiquitous on Jun 29, 2011 3:19 PM EDT reply actions  

His NTC wouldn’t kick in for another 4 years (NTC only allowed for what would be your UFA years) so they have lots of time to trade him!

by WizardofNaz on Jun 29, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

They’d never do anything like that.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 29, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

1st line centres on long term deals are NEVER traded.

by WizardofNaz on Jun 29, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

How great would it be if he said he wouldn’t sign the offer sheet specifically because he was worried that what happened to Carter and Richards would happen to him.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 29, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Spectacular.

Of course we’d never know because we only hear about offer sheets if a player actually signs.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 29, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I never did find out which players had been given and offer sheet but refused to sign.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 29, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

40+ goal scoring 21 year old for a 9.5M cap hit? I’d beat that.

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by Bower Power on Jun 29, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

9.5 million and four first rounders.

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by Ubiquitous on Jun 29, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

If we were to acquire Stamkos without giving up any current roster players? I’d put down $100 that not one of those picks woudl be top 10 first rounders.

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by Bower Power on Jun 29, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh they'd lose roster players

They can’t fit him on the roster. Several players would have to be shed as well.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 29, 2011 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Stamkos, B.Schenn, Coutourier, Giroux, JVR
eep

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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 29, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good thing we still have that pesky salary cap to interfere with those insane plans.

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by Ubiquitous on Jun 29, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Paul Holgrem is a villain from Scooby Doo and the salary cap are those meddling kids?

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 29, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bryzgalov, Bobrovsky

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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 29, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s really dangerous. Until they have to re-sign any of them.

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by Bower Power on Jun 29, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

see Oilers, Edmonton

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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 29, 2011 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I meant from the Leafs’ perspective. I’d be okay with the Leafs beating that offer.

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by Bower Power on Jun 29, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

whhaaaaa

Is that a believable source?

If so, Holmgrem is really on the crazy pills

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by Semi_Colon on Jun 29, 2011 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not sure who is reliable anymore when it comes to #Stamkosmania

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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 29, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

When it comes to the Flyers he’s generally considered believable.

But with #STAMKOSMANIA who the heck knows.

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by Ubiquitous on Jun 29, 2011 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Interesting thought...

Everyone talks about how deals signed 3 or 4 years ago look better now as they take up less % of the total cap. What would people say to instead of signing people to actual dollar amounts the players were signed to “% of the cap” amounts. For instance since Ovie/Crosby signed their deals the cap has gone up over 15% (IIRC) meaning they’ve lost over a million per season vs what they would be getting now if value to the team was the same.

by WizardofNaz on Jun 29, 2011 3:19 PM EDT reply actions  

Agents and players know that when they are making these deals.

It’s likely factored into the negotiations. Hard to predict where the cap will go though.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 29, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Obviously they try to factor it in and teams can justify bigger cap hits saying “just wait a couple years and it’ll look good if not great in terms of value” but I still think that going by percentages would be a decent idea.

by WizardofNaz on Jun 29, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Might have been part of Crosby's consideration.

But it’s a big gamble on where the cap is going and where you’ll be in your career in x years. Most players would rather take certainty now than ? later.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 29, 2011 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

if the league failed and the cap had to drop drastically I’m sure there would be salary rollbacks anyways. My way would give players a better chance to make even more money. For instance Crosby could get 15% of his teams cap and over the last 3 years he would’ve made an extra like 4 mill.

by WizardofNaz on Jun 29, 2011 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

TSNBobMcKenzie Bob McKenzie As per @TSNRyanRishaug, Roloson signs in Tampa, one year, $3M.

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by Bower Power on Jun 29, 2011 3:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Even less cap space!

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 29, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

They’re gearing up!!!

Unless… Someone takes on Lecavalier’s contract

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by happiergilmore on Jun 29, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

That would be a much better idea than letting Stamkos go.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 29, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, they should just let Stamkos go, honestly.

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by happiergilmore on Jun 29, 2011 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

If Tampa can afford to keep Stamkos, they’d be crazy not to. That’s why you try to structure an offer-sheet you think it will be difficult for them to match.

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by Draglikepull on Jun 29, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry, should have used the sarcasm font.

If they don’t let him go, we can’t take him…

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I am aware on how offer sheets and the like work.

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by happiergilmore on Jun 29, 2011 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good for Roloson

any goalie who can play that well in his 40’s is okay in my book.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 29, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Interesting change from last summer when no one would offer goalies any money.

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by Draglikepull on Jun 29, 2011 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

There are still plenty of goalies without jobs. We’ll see how the summer goes.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 29, 2011 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

TIM THOMAS

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by MapleLeafMole on Jun 29, 2011 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed, although it might be nice for him to, I dunno, sit out every game he has scheduled against us.

by Self Destructive Zones on Jun 29, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kopecky gets 4 years, 12 mil.

Lol.

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by happiergilmore on Jun 29, 2011 3:56 PM EDT reply actions  

So this is how Florida plans to stay above the floor?

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by thenumber14 on Jun 29, 2011 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jesus if Tallon thinks Kopecky is worth 3 mil a season, I’d hate to think how much he figures Weiss is worth.

by Self Destructive Zones on Jun 29, 2011 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tallon seems to be learning from the recently published book The Zen of Sather.

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by Frag on Jun 29, 2011 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also, it looks like the Lightning have resigned Adam Hall as well, anyone know the details? Can’t find them

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by happiergilmore on Jun 29, 2011 3:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Nevermind, 600k

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by happiergilmore on Jun 29, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

KatieStrangNYI Katie Strang
 by wyshynski
Talks broke down between #Isles and Christian Ehrhoff; email sent out from #Isles end to other teams

Hahahaha

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by happiergilmore on Jun 29, 2011 4:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Eh, they could get back some conditional 7th or something.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 29, 2011 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah but they basically just gave the Canucks a 4th for free.. Kind of silly

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by happiergilmore on Jun 29, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Win for the Canucks… especially if he changes his mind and goes back there haha

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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 29, 2011 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

That would be hilarious.

Can’t believe they didn’t put a condition of him signing with them on that pick either.

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by happiergilmore on Jun 29, 2011 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Meh

I honestly don’t mind NYI being aggressive in persuing free agents.

It’s hard for them being an internal cap team who has been pretty bad for the last few years, but their young talent is good and if you surround it with solid vet guys NYI could be a popular destination in a few years rather than a toxic destination.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 29, 2011 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

TheFourthPeriod David Pagnotta
Early indications are the Blue Jackets have an excellent shot at signing Wizniewski. Told ballpark deal could be 5-years, $5.2M-$5.5M per.

Don’t know how legit this guy is, but that seems about what we expected right?

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by happiergilmore on Jun 29, 2011 4:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Cap floor reaching for all! yayyyyyyy!

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The fourth period are very legit

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by leafer1984 on Jun 29, 2011 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thought so, I follow a couple of their guys

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by happiergilmore on Jun 29, 2011 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seems about right

One thing I do know is that the Liles trade keeps looking better and better in light of these would-be UFA D-man signings. At least in my opinion it does.

by Self Destructive Zones on Jun 29, 2011 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

just said that above.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 29, 2011 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's legit

Wowza

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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 29, 2011 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow, I’m even happier with the Liles trade now.

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by Frag on Jun 29, 2011 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why did the Islanders trade him for nothing?

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 29, 2011 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

They got a second back, didn’t they? I guess that’s almost nothing.

by Self Destructive Zones on Jun 29, 2011 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Considering they tried gave up a 4th to try and sign Erhoff………………

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 29, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Islanders haven’t traded him…

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by happiergilmore on Jun 29, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

They did to the Habs, unless I’m mistaken

by Self Destructive Zones on Jun 29, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh woah I totally thought this was the Ehrhoff thread. Fack

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by happiergilmore on Jun 29, 2011 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah I got confused there for a second too actually lol

by Self Destructive Zones on Jun 29, 2011 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah good point, and I’d personally rather have Wiz than Ehrhoff I think.

by Self Destructive Zones on Jun 29, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

And reportedly Isles aren’t gonna get an Erhoff deal done.

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by Bower Power on Jun 29, 2011 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Picks > Production

Younger = Better

Always.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 29, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well I mean if they didn’t think they could re-sign him or something or didn’t want to throw out the money to do so. But from what I heard they were willing to pay big for Erhoff, makes little sense.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 29, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

From Bob Geldof:

BDGallof
@ACatNamedFelix garth moves those who cause lockerrook rifts or cancer. ( aka Zhitnik) rumblings that he wasnt exactly helping

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 29, 2011 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

$5.5 million, damn. I saw a quote from someone else on Twitter where Wiz said he was excited about Columbus’ interest, or something. I remember when Columbus got Carter, Howson said something like “Our fans have been patient for 10 years, it’s time we rewarded them.” Guess they really are trying to put together a competitive team for next year.

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by Draglikepull on Jun 29, 2011 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Glad to see that

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by happiergilmore on Jun 29, 2011 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also probably good for Rick Nash, who’s put a lot into that team and deserves some help.

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by Draglikepull on Jun 29, 2011 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, man has been dedicated. He’s one of my favourite players in the league, Leafs or non-Leafs

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by happiergilmore on Jun 29, 2011 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bout fuckin’ time.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 29, 2011 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Think I found my random team to be interesting in this year, take a hike St. Louis and L.A.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 29, 2011 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Columbus has been mine for about 4 years now. Nash is my 1a fave non leaf

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by leafer1984 on Jun 29, 2011 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

One of my top 5 as well… I have a hard time ranking them.

Parise is up there too.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 29, 2011 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like the Civil War homage.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 29, 2011 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like the Civil War homage bonage.

More accuratley reflects the team situation, considering their new mascot

by TheCeej on Jun 29, 2011 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I still like St. Louis. I like what they’re doing there.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 29, 2011 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I LOVE what LA is doing

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by WizardofNaz on Jun 29, 2011 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Except Cam Jansen ’cause fuck that guy.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 29, 2011 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gonna need a better year out of Mason if they’re going to do it. That said, it’s probably prime time, given where teams in their division are right now.

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by Bower Power on Jun 29, 2011 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not sure if it was already mentioned

But Kariya officially retires.

@TSNBobMcKenzie: Paul Kariya tells @eduatschek of the Globe he’s retiring. Quite a player in his day. @MikeMcKenzie11’s favorite player once upon a time.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 29, 2011 4:28 PM EDT reply actions  

wasn’t the same after Suter’s cheapshot.

by Nigel Cadbury on Jun 29, 2011 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

@JailBait says
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Ehroff just turned into this generations Kirk Muller 2 Islanders fans. Snow offered 5.8Million peryear for 6Years – WTF? Ur not Ray Bourque

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by happiergilmore on Jun 29, 2011 4:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Have these numbers been publicized or is he shooting in the dark

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by happiergilmore on Jun 29, 2011 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

“insider information,” but I think it was official that Ehroff turned down “Bieksa money,” so turning down another, slightly higher offer (not to mention, an offer from the Isles) along those lines isn’t implausible.

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by Bower Power on Jun 29, 2011 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

More reputable source:

KatieStrangNYI Katie Strang
#Isles offered CE significantly more (in $ and term) than Vancouver reportedly offered (5-yr, $23 M) and set a 5 pm deadline; he declined

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by Bower Power on Jun 29, 2011 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m just his “sources”. May or may not have any credibility.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 29, 2011 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

This guy is earning the moniker Christian Jehrkoff.

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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jun 29, 2011 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

He can sign with whoever he likes.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 29, 2011 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is why B. Richards keeps nixing trades for his rights. If you don’t sign you look like a horrible person.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 29, 2011 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Do the players have control over whether their team trades their rights?

by TheCeej on Jun 29, 2011 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Only if they have an NTC/NMC.

B. Richards has one. This is why they are valuable to players.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 29, 2011 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Trading for a player’s “rights” is just like any other trade, but they call it that because it’s after the season is over so you’re they’re not going to play for the team before the contract runs out. But it means exactly the same thing.

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by T is for Truculence on Jun 29, 2011 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why is he a jerkoff?

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by leafer1984 on Jun 29, 2011 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Apparently he’s a jerk for not wanting to sign in Vancouver or Long Island.

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by Ubiquitous on Jun 29, 2011 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

God forbid he go to Free Agency which is his right

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by leafer1984 on Jun 29, 2011 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I mean, he totally got his rights traded which he had no control over to a team that he clearly had no interest in playing for!

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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 29, 2011 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

he’s clearly looking for a payday and nothing else.

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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jun 29, 2011 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Assuming Wyz signs in CBJ, it’s pretty much just him and Kaberle on the market. It’d be pretty stupid for him to take the first deal offered.

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by Bower Power on Jun 29, 2011 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

but would you want to go out and sign him right now? It just seems like he's willing to sell himself to the highest bidder.

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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jun 29, 2011 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Usually that’s how free agency works.

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by Draglikepull on Jun 29, 2011 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

no. free agency isn’t an auction. it’s a job fair. guys take jobs for different reasons. some for geography. some because the job is a good fit. some because it pays well. usually it’s all three.

guys who do it for only money or for geography both aren’t interested in winning and I don’t want them on my team….

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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jun 29, 2011 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Colby Armstrong is a Leaf because Toronto offered him the most money. Of this I have no doubt.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 29, 2011 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

So obviously he doesn’t care about winning. Wow life is nice when everything is so black and white.

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by T is for Truculence on Jun 29, 2011 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

wasn’t he offered more money by someone else? i think i remember reading this…

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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jun 29, 2011 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m almost 100% certain Toronto offered the most money. I think there is a quote of him saying that.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 29, 2011 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kubina was offered more money by someone else and signed with us instead.

by Nigel Cadbury on Jun 29, 2011 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

How do you know geography and “fit” didn’t play into his decision? As far as we know it could have been THE reason. Maybe he misses living in the south? Who knows?

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by BCapp on Jun 29, 2011 6:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

It just seems like he’s willing to sell himself to the highest bidder.

Aaaaaand?

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by Bower Power on Jun 29, 2011 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, on the basis of a couple of rumours that we’ve heard over Twitter, we can definitely make value judgements about a player’s character.

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by Draglikepull on Jun 29, 2011 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

that and the fact that he didn’t want to sign a decent contract with a team he already played for in a great hockey city that has a clear chance of being competitive for winning the cup year after year….

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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jun 29, 2011 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

And you know that’s what happenned because . . .

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by Draglikepull on Jun 29, 2011 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

weren’t we told he got offered Bieksa money?

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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jun 29, 2011 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, but by who, and how do we know it’s true? Agents and teams both leak things at this time of year to gain leverage. And even if it’s true, what if the reason he’s doing it is because he knows Detroit has an opening and he’s hoping to go play with Lidstrom, Datsyuk, etc.? What if he takes a smaller paycheque from Detroit because he likes the team? We aren’t in on these negotiations, and we don’t know what the player is thinking.

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by Draglikepull on Jun 29, 2011 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

What you or I think are decent may not be what a player thinks he’s worth. Or could get.

I know some people dont like when we compare real life to hockey, but if I have a job offer that is $60k, but in 2 days a position is opening where I think they might offer me 80k, is it worth it to wait 2 days?

Or should I just accept the 60k job because “that’s enough”?

Free agency is a priviledge for players. Until now they haven’t had much choice in where they go.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 29, 2011 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

There's only a few times I thought a player was being super greedy

1 was Kovalchuk, who pretty much said “I want $100M and want to be paid more than Ovechkin”.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 29, 2011 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

isn’t this kind of what erhoff is saying? i guess we’ll find out when/where and for how much he signs….

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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jun 29, 2011 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

i get this. but, personally, if i have a chance to take my dream job, or i have the chance to go work a shitty job somewhere else for a little more money, i take the dream job.

maybe playing in Van isn’t this kids dream. i dunno.

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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jun 29, 2011 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

maybe playing in Van isn’t this kids dream

That could very well be it. Van looked pretty douchey last year, maybe he didn’t want to be a part of that.

Or maybe he didn’t like the coach. Or maybe anything else.

I think a lot of players want to test Free Agency at least once to see their options.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 29, 2011 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

i suppose part of my dislike for him is the fact that he played so shitty for Van in the playoffs but still apparently thinks he’s worth a ton of money…

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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jun 29, 2011 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kaberle by all accounts wasn’t terribly impressive in the playoffs either, but based on these contracts he’s about to get another decent payday.

Super thin market + need to get to cap floor = cha-ching!

Most agents know that, probably telling their clients to test FA.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 29, 2011 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

He looked really good to me in the first two rounds and not bad (iirc) against San Jose.

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by BCapp on Jun 29, 2011 6:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

He was a minus in every round

Except San Jose. He got exposed defensively continuously. Even worse than in the regulatr season.

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by Semi_Colon on Jun 29, 2011 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ll trust your judgement. You obviously watched a lot more of the Vancouver games than me.

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by BCapp on Jun 29, 2011 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Leafs trade for rights to Maxim Talbot, per RDS and TSN. http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=370387

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by Bower Power on Jun 29, 2011 6:15 PM EDT reply actions  

I was just about to post this. Hopefully we didn’t give up too much.

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by Frag on Jun 29, 2011 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

With Ehroff and Wyz moving today for next to nothing, I’d be pissed if it’s higher than a sixth.

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by Bower Power on Jun 29, 2011 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Apparently he wants 2 million and 4 years.

by leaflover4ever on Jun 29, 2011 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Y THIS LINK NO WORKY WORKY FOR ME?

LTWW

by Tickle Me Aulie on Jun 29, 2011 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

c

We make fun of the guy a lot, so I’mma lay credit where it’s due.

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LEAFS UPDATESource: Max Talbot will indeed be suiting up for the Maple Leafs in October (Burke trying to get deal done now with Pens) [20 hours ago]

Stupid to say he’ll definitely be suiting up, since the contract isn’t signed, but we did just trade for his rights.

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by Bower Power on Jun 29, 2011 6:21 PM EDT reply actions  

As long as he and Armstrong make commercials together

We should be fine!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOrvdvczpEA&feature=related

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by Frag on Jun 29, 2011 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

reeeedacted.

TSNBobMcKenzie Bob McKenzie
Max Talbot’s rights have not been traded to TOR or anywhere else. Talbot’s rep has had permission since Sunday to talk to other teams.

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by Bower Power on Jun 29, 2011 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oops.

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by Frag on Jun 29, 2011 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

The next couple of days sure will be interesting. People are trying so hard to out-scoop each other they aren’t even checking if their info is accurate. This is why the TSN guys are the best, they don’t report it if they don’t know from a very good source that it’s true.

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by Draglikepull on Jun 29, 2011 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Funny. Someone should’ve told TSN before they put an article on the front page about it!

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by Bower Power on Jun 29, 2011 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, I didn’t see that. McKenzie didn’t tweet it, and neither did Dreger, so I assumed TSN wasn’t on it.

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by Draglikepull on Jun 29, 2011 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nah, I linked the article up above, but the page has since been pulled, and wasn’t up long enough for google to cache it.

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by Bower Power on Jun 29, 2011 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

RDS is pretty legit. He must have gotten confused by the “can talk to anyone” vs. “have traded for rights”

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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 29, 2011 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just a thought: Talbot is a third liner, not a fourth, having never played under 10 minutes ATOI in a season. Doubly so if he gets 2M+ (and I’m fine with that; Talbot-Bozak-Armstrong is a pretty sweet third line.

But as of now, down the left we read: Lupul-Kulemin-Kadri-Talbot. It’s important to have depth, but neither Kadri nor Talbot seem destined for a 4th line role.

Could someone be on the outs?

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by Bower Power on Jun 29, 2011 6:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Redacted for more than the obvious, as Talbot is C, not LW (confusion with Kennedy who we were talking about earlier today). Talbot took 874 faceoffs last season, and won 48.6% of them. God I hope he’s the fourth line C, and not the third, though.

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by Bower Power on Jun 29, 2011 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

TSNBobMcKenzie Bob McKenzie
Max Talbot’s rights have not been traded to TOR or anywhere else. Talbot’s rep has had permission since Sunday to talk to other teams.

by leaflover4ever on Jun 29, 2011 6:29 PM EDT reply actions  

THE TALBOT SWEEPSTAKES ARE STILL ON

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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 29, 2011 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

PONY WITH A PYLON ON HIS HEAD…. AND HAS NO LEGS

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by happiergilmore on Jun 29, 2011 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can’t do screencaps on this laptop, someone cap this story while it’s still online:

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=567756&navid=mod-rr-headlines

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by Draglikepull on Jun 29, 2011 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pretty funny that the official NHL web site would mis-report that.

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by Draglikepull on Jun 29, 2011 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Down already.

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by Bower Power on Jun 29, 2011 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fuck they already pulled it. Really funny though

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by happiergilmore on Jun 29, 2011 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dang. I don’t want him for two million.

by leaflover4ever on Jun 29, 2011 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

TSNBobMcKenzie Bob McKenzie
OK, my turn for a correction. PIT granted permission for Talbot’s rep to talk only to TOR for 48 hours commencing Sunday.

Filed under: “WTF?”

So I guess we had exclusive negotiating rights for a little while? But didn’t give up anything to get them?

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by Bower Power on Jun 29, 2011 6:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Free agency is whacky.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 29, 2011 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Basically. Which is how you should do it, really. But even still, why couldn’t we just wait a few days to sign him? Unless Burke is holding up on making a specific trade until he can acquire another centre.

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by Draglikepull on Jun 29, 2011 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

bottom line regarding Talbot………..DO NOT WANT!!!!, save your money for better things

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by LeafFan1989 on Jun 29, 2011 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Like what? He’s a reasonably reliable 3/4 centre. I don’t want to pay him the $2 million he reportedly wants, but I’d be fine with anything at $1.5 million or less.

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by Draglikepull on Jun 29, 2011 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really feel we could probably get what he brings for $1M or less... and maybe even internally.

Wait until August to grab a 4C. Not sure why this was enough of a priority to warrant a negotiating window.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 29, 2011 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thing that concerns me: Why would we need to bring in a third line center? A fourth sure, but we could find one cheaper than Talbot.

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by Bower Power on Jun 29, 2011 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

he declined a 1.7 million dollar offer, so we won’t be getting him for less than that. Therefore do not want.

by leaflover4ever on Jun 29, 2011 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’s looking for 4+ years too. Sounds like he might get it too.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 29, 2011 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would love the annoying factor, but it’s just not worth it.

by leaflover4ever on Jun 29, 2011 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

For RFAs or future needs, you’re 3rd and fourth line players should be paid a maximum of 1M………anything more is a waste of cap space.

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by LeafFan1989 on Jun 29, 2011 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thats simply not true for third line players. Talk to Jordan Staal or even guys like Brouwer and Bolland and Versteeg who were on Chicago’s cup winning 3rd line (Steeg spent time on the fourth line).

If you split the cap up and say

(% of cap)
1st line 25%
2nd line 15% of cap
3rd line 10% of cap
4th line and healthy scratches 5% of cap
45%

D
top 4 30% of cap
bottom 2 and healthy scratches 5%

35%

Goalies 10%

Thats 90% of your cap and would mean the 3rd line would equal about 6.7 mil which means each player realistically could make 2-2.5 mil. Thats probably an appropriate amount to pay for one out of free agency (ideally you will have one cheaper guy there too at aroun 1-1.5 or less).

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by BCapp on Jun 29, 2011 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

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Talbot’s 48 hour window to negotiate with TOR has expired, PIT still owns his rights. And that’s where we’re at right now. Got it? Good.

by Dr_Furious on Jun 29, 2011 7:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Well they still own his rights because they were never technically traded to us so we technically can’t sign him until July 1st.

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by happiergilmore on Jun 29, 2011 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think I saw if they could reach a deal we’d send a 5th rounder so probably no go

by Dr_Furious on Jun 29, 2011 7:11 PM EDT reply actions  

This Ehrhoff stuff is hilarious

BUF trades their 4th rounder to NYI for his negotiating rights.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 29, 2011 8:01 PM EDT reply actions  

For 24 hours, too, strange. Still, it’s cool to see teams like Buffalo and Columbus looking serious about building good teams right now.

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by Draglikepull on Jun 29, 2011 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Er, I guess it’s more like 40 hours.

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by Draglikepull on Jun 29, 2011 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes it is rather nice to see divisional opponents fielding a very good team in the off-season…

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by happiergilmore on Jun 29, 2011 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Buffalo finally has $$$$

I hope they win the Ehrhoff sweepstakes though… and lose the B. Richards one.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 29, 2011 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/story/2011/06/29/2011june29.html

hahahahahaha this is pretty funny.. but it’s real

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by happiergilmore on Jun 29, 2011 9:24 PM EDT reply actions  

what a refreshing name

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by happiergilmore on Jun 29, 2011 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

WHAT IS GARRETT BAUMAN SAYING ON TWITTER. I DON’T GET IT. WHAT RADIO REPORT FROM VANCOUVER. WHY IS EVERYTHING ALMOST HAPPENING!!!!???

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by happiergilmore on Jun 29, 2011 9:30 PM EDT reply actions  

from how I read the one tweet, it’s Hodgson and/or Samuelson and Schneider for Parise?

by Nigel Cadbury on Jun 29, 2011 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I got the Hodgson/Samuelsson + goalie for Parise. But he didn’t make it clear 1) if it was Schnieder or Luongo (the statement was kind of vague) and 2) if it was Hodgson AND Samuelsson or Hodson OR Samuelsson

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by happiergilmore on Jun 29, 2011 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

garrettbauman Garrett Bauman
Word is CKNW 980 in Vancouver reporting Hodgson, Samuelsson, Schneider for Parise. NO idea if it is true, better wait for TSN on this one.

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by happiergilmore on Jun 29, 2011 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

My brain is going to ignore that

Because I don’t want it to be true.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 29, 2011 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

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@garrettbauman their twitter account, @CKNW has nothing, I think it’s fake.

If this is true, what happens to his arbitration? Does this mean he is eligible to be offer sheeted on July 1????

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by happiergilmore on Jun 29, 2011 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

And I see clrkaitken has asked the same question on twitter.

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by happiergilmore on Jun 29, 2011 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I SAID IM IGNORING IT

LALALALALALALA

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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 29, 2011 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

garrettbauman Garrett Bauman
Word is CKNW 980 in Vancouver reporting Hodgson, Samuelsson, Schneider for Parise. NO idea if it is true, better wait for TSN on this one.

by Nigel Cadbury on Jun 29, 2011 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

http://www.thefourthperiod.com/news/phx110629.html

Lots of stuff is going to happen.. I can feel it in my bones

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by happiergilmore on Jun 29, 2011 9:58 PM EDT reply actions  

He feels it in his bones, he's staring out his window #hipster

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by DoubleDion on Jun 29, 2011 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

When you’ve got to feel it in your bones
When you’ve got to feel it in your bones

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by Draglikepull on Jun 29, 2011 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

omg please tell me the name of this song because i can’t think of it and it’s driving me crazy.

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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jun 29, 2011 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

McKenzie is reporting that the Leafs have re-signed Jay Rosehill to a 1-way, $600 000 contract. Unless Orr isn’t coming back, that makes roughly zero sense to me.

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by Draglikepull on Jun 29, 2011 11:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Nothing wrong with Rosehill... and MLSE giving out 1 way contracts isn't shocking to me

.

It could mean Orr isn’t ready, or it could mean that they want to have another guy ready if and when Orr goes down again.

He can play in the marlies awaiting a callup, and if he gets scooped on waivers are we really going to cry?

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