Ziggy Stardust and So Much More
by SkinnyFish on Jul 13, 2011 7:00 AM EDT
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Leafs re-sign Mike Zigomanis to a 1 year deal. - The Hockey News
Head on over the jump for more links on this glorious day.
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Alex Tran at MLHS wants us to understand the workings of Reimer.
High Quality Scoring Chances: 2011-12 Season
Slava Duris with the numbers from last season.
Who I Wish the Leafs Had Signed as a UFA
Mike at VLM with his wish list. Know, you weren't thinking the same thing.
Vance and Bangin' Panger sees disappointment in the sophomore season.
Hockey Prospectus Organizational Rankings
Leafs come in at 11. LOL Senators at 4. They have Rundbland and a pylon and that's it.
The Biggest Free Agent Signings of 2011
As seen through the eyes of DGB.
Chevrolet Joining Fight Against Concussions
Will donate a helmet to every 5 year-old player in Canada. Will be interesting to see which model.
How I Evaluate Players (and why)
David Johnson at Hockey Analysis gives us the skinny on his methods.
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So...
Maybe it’s a good thing I didn’t take Hockey Prospectus too seriously when it came to their draft rankings? The Sens have the 4th best prospect depth in the NHL? Wow…
"Wham...Wham...Kabam...Kabam... A double kabam! And it's a double dion!"
Quote from the article:
Nazem Kadri has top-end scoring ability, but I’m not that confident he reaches his ceiling and may be more of a second line winger than a first line center.
So pretty much what everyone who follows the Leafs has also concluded? Gee, thanks for that stellar insight.
by Learn2Leaf on Jul 13, 2011 8:12 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
They must have Sherlock F*ckin’ Holmes working over there.
Flugenweb, space code, twit zone, ass mode, check ze tweets.
by Shield on Jul 13, 2011 8:16 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
There was zero backup to support any of the opinions. I understand they mentioned about going into more detail in later articles but this entire process seems far too subjective.
This is based off discussions I’ve had with scouts and executives on top of my own personal viewings of the prospects
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Yeah that is odd. Including Lehner for Ottawa might have even made that ridiculous #4 ranking more justified (not really).
by Self Destructive Zones on Jul 13, 2011 8:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Here was the author's opinion for why he left off goaltending prospects in the comments section:
Goalie prospects have minimal impact on their organization’s ranking due to their lessened value in the NHL marketplace. Lehner is an above-average goaltending prospect, but he’s not a world-killer (despite his playoff performance this year in a small sample) so there’s not a whole lot of value there.
I don’t really agree with that, but whatever.
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- Niels Bohr
I definitely disagree with that as well.
Lessened value in the NHL marketplace? Varlarmov just landed the first overall pick next year…
Schneider / Bernier / Rask / Reimer could earn a king’s ransom.
There’s a reason no one is trading Lunqvist, Price, etc.
Does he think goalies are useless?
I guess he thinks that goaltenders are more risky than any other position in terms of development, which would be correct, but he seems to severely undervalue their importance here.
"We are all agreed that your theory is crazy. The question that divides us is whether it is crazy enough to have a chance of being correct."
- Niels Bohr
But it wouldn’t fit into his perfect world of letting his team (I’m like 97% sure he’s a Wings fan) be #1 on the list.
Either way, his whole article is flawed. The Leafs have prospects way down on their depth chart who outperformed the top prospects of other organizations (i.e. Islanders and Niederreiter, as I mentioned a while ago).
by stevesmith19 on Jul 13, 2011 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
And to repeat the sentiments expressed in the FTB post: Senators? Really?
by stevesmith19 on Jul 13, 2011 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Philidelphia’s 2 new prospects propelled their farm team from “No NHL prospects at all (literally 0)” to the top 10.
On the Mike Weber bandwagon!
I hate Christian Ehrhoff because he should have been Tomas Kaberle.
Schenn and Coutrier are fine prospects, lends to the thought that one or two high end guys are better than lots of “good” prospects
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 13, 2011 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
The counter argument might be something like the Versteeg trade: lots of okay prospects can be traded for a better prospect/player. Having a really deep system with good prospects allows you to do that.
by stevesmith19 on Jul 13, 2011 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
A better example would be the Mike Richards trade from LA’s perspective.
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by Draglikepull on Jul 13, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t consider Simmonds to be merely “good”. I think he’s amazing because he’s from Scarborough. I might be a little biased.
by stevesmith19 on Jul 13, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m having difficulty parsing that, I’m not used to seeing “Scarborough” and “amazing” in the same sentence.
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by Draglikepull on Jul 13, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
BOOOOOOO!!! SCARBOROUGH FTW!
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Well, people from outside of Scarborough do have trouble reading big words.
by stevesmith19 on Jul 13, 2011 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I’ll admit it, I laughed at that.
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by Draglikepull on Jul 13, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I think you meant to say, “people from Scarborough can read more good then anyone.”
What do you people outside of Scarborough learn in school?
by stevesmith19 on Jul 13, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
What do you people outside of Scarborough learn in school?
I would list them, but your Scarborough mind wouldn't understand.
"We are all agreed that your theory is crazy. The question that divides us is whether it is crazy enough to have a chance of being correct."
- Niels Bohr
I can’t see the whole comment! It’s cut-off after Scarb.
Maybe that’s the joke…
by stevesmith19 on Jul 13, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Told you your mind wouldn’t understand!
"We are all agreed that your theory is crazy. The question that divides us is whether it is crazy enough to have a chance of being correct."
- Niels Bohr
Well, I really hope that the “your” in your first comment is a grammatical error.
by stevesmith19 on Jul 13, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Ware?
"We are all agreed that your theory is crazy. The question that divides us is whether it is crazy enough to have a chance of being correct."
- Niels Bohr
Me speak English?
That’s unpossible!
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- Niels Bohr
I appreciate the irony of using the wrong then/than when insulting other people’s learning.
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by Draglikepull on Jul 13, 2011 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
When it comes to building a team, I’d rather have extraordinary depth, as it gives you the chance that either someone exceeds expectations, that you can trade and not take as much of a hit, or that you can keep your internally developed players cheaper. Hoping that a player pans so that you can build around him? Daigle, Stefan, etc. – it’s risky.
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to me, when garnering prospect depth its like saying a guy with two 50’s has more money than a guy with five 20s and a 10
sure each 50 is worth more but the guy with the many bills has more money
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 13, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
And, he can exchange two of the 20s along with a 10 to get a 50 and still have three 20s left over.
by stevesmith19 on Jul 13, 2011 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Except because of the way talent works in the NHL, the 50s are actually probably worth more like 75 because of their rarity.
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by Draglikepull on Jul 13, 2011 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Its more like 2 people spending 12 years in University. One person leaves after 3 years with a PHD, Masters and bachelors. The other leaves with 4 bachelors degrees. Who will look better for employers… The guy with the PhD or the one with 4 bachelors?
The best analogy is picking up girls in a club
Who had the better night, the guy who left with a dime piece, or the guy who left with five 2s?
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The only problem with this analogy is that the person with 4 bachelors can’t make degree trades with the PhD person.
by stevesmith19 on Jul 13, 2011 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I could see that being the case. If so, throw in an extra 20. You still have a couple 20s left over.
by stevesmith19 on Jul 13, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
For these prospect analogies, its better to abstract the money to something with a bit more risk, like tokens for a slot machine.
The prospect slot machine takes the value of your token, and returns money according to this distribution: (totally made up)
60% same value as token
35% nothing
5% more than value of token
So then the question becomes would you like a handful of 5 and 10 dollar tokens or one 50 dollar token.
/overkill
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I hate Christian Ehrhoff because he should have been Tomas Kaberle.
It depends on how much more value we’ll get if we hit the 5%. I take it you mean there’s a 5% chance of getting more for our tokens. How much more?
I think it would be more the 5$ slot machine only pays out 50% of the time and the 10$ slot machine pays out 65% of the time. Which one would you rather play?
Feel free to change the workings of the prospect slot machine to fit your belief of prospect projections. The more you’re inclined to believe them, the narrower the payout range should be.
On the Mike Weber bandwagon!
I hate Christian Ehrhoff because he should have been Tomas Kaberle.
well im talking purely from a value of the pot standpoint
each individual piece might be more valuable, but if the pot stacks up to being worth more then it is “better”
I mean if you get a choice of two garages, one has a Ferrari enzo and the other has 10 911’s the enzo is a better, faster and more valuable car but the Porsche garage is more valuable as a whole
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 13, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I like that analogy, but add that one of the 11 cars was just pulled out of lake Ontario and you don’t know which one.
On the Mike Weber bandwagon!
I hate Christian Ehrhoff because he should have been Tomas Kaberle.
and the ferrari has a 5% chance to burst into flames
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 13, 2011 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Wait, when did Ferrari come out with a model called the “Seguin”?
by stevesmith19 on Jul 13, 2011 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
14 seems like an okay spot for the Flyers after adding Schenn and Couturier, to go along with decent depth forwards in Erik Gustafsson and Eric Wellwood (Yes, Kyle’s brother).
"We are all agreed that your theory is crazy. The question that divides us is whether it is crazy enough to have a chance of being correct."
- Niels Bohr
Sorry, depth defenceman Erik Gustafsson and depth forward Eric Wellwood. Doh!
"We are all agreed that your theory is crazy. The question that divides us is whether it is crazy enough to have a chance of being correct."
- Niels Bohr
Every time I see the name Erik Gustafsson it reminds me of Erik Gudbranson and how much I wished that the Bruins ended up picking 3rd that year, taking him instead of Seguin. Gudbranson is not that gud.
by stevesmith19 on Jul 13, 2011 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Or Gustavsson. =P
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I really hope he has a big bounce back year next season. He seems like a good guy.
by stevesmith19 on Jul 13, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
This is of course in addition to Reimer rocking shit.
by stevesmith19 on Jul 13, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
can’t wait
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That’s dumb. I get that goalies are hard to predict, but that doesn’t mean they don’t have value. The problem is PP does a lot of work with GVT, which isn’t great to goalies. But Lehner would get a really good return in a trade, and absolutely adds value to a team and a development system. I’d much rather they just said “we don’t do goalies” than make up bullshit about them not having value.
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It just doesnt make sense.. didnt really come up this year because Gibson is the best goalie in the world
but what about MAF 1st overall? Dipietro 1st overall? Price 5th overall? Imagine we’re back then and they’re still prospects. Maybe they’re bad choices.. especially with dipietro obviously, definitely with fluery (overall Staal), and maybe with Price… but do you just discount that pick? Those goalies would have 0 value in his system? They’re still good goalies :/
It’s just so funny that they pick Lehner, because he has the pretty clear upside of a number one starter. Whether he reaches or not, well, you could say that about any prospect.
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Yeah exactly. If they used Owuya, fine by me.. I have no idea what he’s like yet. Lehner is pretty good lol
Even Owuya has value. He lead the SEL in SVP at 21. I’m not particularly high on some of the kid’s style points, but like I said – don’t accuse him of not having any value just because you aren’t comfortable scouting/projecting him.
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Don’t go crazy just yet, still young and raw… but 0 cost asset and gets to train with Allaire while learning in the ECHL… much better than drafting John Gibson…
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 13, 2011 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I have confused myself, but Wikipedia has saved me. Elitserien is the SEL, as SuperElit league is a junior league. Acronyms be damned.
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Smith, Tatar, and Pulkkinen are good prospects, and they have some depth, but I don’t think they had enough to warrant their system #1 overall. Top 10, yes, but not #1. I think that honor should go to Nashville.
To be fair, I think the Sens may rise into the top 10 after the haul they made in the first 2 rounds. Zibanejad, Puempel, and Prince are pretty good pick-ups for that team IMO. I don’t think HP is giving the Leafs much credit for picks like Percy this year and McKegg last year, though.
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- Niels Bohr
Yeah, there aren’t many teams who can trade a young, promising player away for less than nothing (Lebda), then immediately replace him and not even notice.
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Really? I thought Percy was one of 2 players he was coming around on upon further review.
"We are all agreed that your theory is crazy. The question that divides us is whether it is crazy enough to have a chance of being correct."
- Niels Bohr
He was coming around on Percy, but had Mayfield rated much higher. He didn’t consider Percy or Biggs best player available at the time, so I understand why he’d be underwhelmed by the picks.
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Ottawa can join the ranks of the elite “lots of great prospects, terrible NHL team” group.
What an honour.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 13, 2011 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Islanders are second and yet McKegg outperformed Niederreiter.
by stevesmith19 on Jul 13, 2011 8:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Islanders definitely have more prospect depth than us.
Detroit? (ranked #1) Not so sure.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 13, 2011 8:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh for sure but the article explicity mentions him (to be fair, it was with a caveat about his performance) but fails to mention an emerging bright light in Toronto’s prospect pool.
Don’t get me wrong, I like D’Amigo and hope he does well, but McKegg is a better prospect in my opinion (and according to these guys too: http://www.hockeysfuture.com/teams/toronto_maple_leafs).
by stevesmith19 on Jul 13, 2011 8:20 AM EDT up reply actions
McKegg is also better than Ross.
He’s also better than Etem on Anaheim, Knight and Spooner on Boston, etc. All of those players were talked about.
In short, I really didn’t like this article and now I’m getting myself worked up for no reason. Time to stop.
by stevesmith19 on Jul 13, 2011 8:25 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think he’s basing the ranking on comparison between two players.
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Exhibit A to prove your point
27. Calgary Flames: Losing elite prospect Tim Erixon was devastating to this system, but significant progress from Max Reinhart and Chris Breen somewhat helps salvage a system that was heading for disaster.
Calgary is not last??
This is the same guy who ranked Landeskog like 13th… and Biggs in the 60’s.
Also the same guy who said he would’ve taken Filatov over Schenn even until like a week ago. He said it at the draft but retracted it last week after “talking to more people” aka actually watching a fucking game.
I don't mind his approach at all, but it is different than most other rating systems. It's primarily based on projected GVT.
Maybe he knows more than we think, but I still don’t think that puts Detroit at #1 in the league in prospect depth with such household names as Gustav Nyquist, Calle Jarnkrok, Tomas Tatar, Brendan Smith, Teemu Pulkkinen, Adam Almqvist and Tomas Jurco.
Admittedly Tatar by all accounts looks good and Brendan Smith might transition to the bigs next year. And we all know about Jurco mostly because he just got drafted.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 13, 2011 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Landeskog’s highest point total in the OHL was only 66 points. That’s far from impressive. I’m not sure why people were so shocked that some scouts didn’t view him as a top 5 or 10 pick. He’s never going to be a first line player. As for Biggs in the 60s…again, Pronmon’s draft philosophy is that higher skilled players are more valuable. Someone like Biggs, who isn’t projected to be a big scorer, wouldn’t rank highly in his system.
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Landeskog also only got in 53 games last year due to a high ankle sprain and the first 5 games he came back he did not look good at all. He will be able to put up 60-70 points a season in his prime, not exactly a slouch.
Time will tell.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 13, 2011 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions
60-70 points? That could be a bit of a reach. Kadri might not turn into a 60 point player, and he’s certainly more skilled than Landeskog. Not saying it can’t happen, just doubtful a player who was never a big scorer in junior can suddenly become one in the NHL
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Kadri's definitely a better point producer - draft year production (including playoffs)
Kadri draft year: 1.41 points-per-game
Landeskog draft year: 1.09 points-per-game
Not all #2 picks are built the same.
Does Kadri still look like he’s projecting for 60 points? Maybe, who knows. But it’s not as sky-high expectations as it once was.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 13, 2011 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions
why?
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 13, 2011 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Why have his expectations fallen or why does he not look like he’s projecting for 60 points? I don’t understand the why.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 13, 2011 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions
both
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 13, 2011 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Personally I still think he could easily be a 60 point guy
But his previous year, while completely fine and normal for a rookie in the NHL who is learning to play against men, is a change in trajectory from his junior years.
If you look at the middle panel, he was projecting up at a rapid pace at 17,18, and 19 and had a mild setback in projected NHLe at 20. I think that’s why expectations have fallen a bit.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 13, 2011 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions
I like the giant cliff Nikita Filatov fell off of.
On the Mike Weber bandwagon!
I hate Christian Ehrhoff because he should have been Tomas Kaberle.
Now that he’s a Sen I hope it somehow goes negative. SOMEHOW. Maybe a bunch of own goals. Wish those counted as negative goals.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 13, 2011 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
I wanted Filatov :(
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That’s why I linked to this article yesterday: http://www.coppernblue.com/2011/7/11/2270630/2008-draft-forwards-and-nhl-equivalencies.
Kadri’s drop-off in NHLE is by no means uncommon. In fact, it’s the rule rather than the exception. Furthermore, his point-per-game pace in the AHL is very rare.
by stevesmith19 on Jul 13, 2011 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes, but it is a reason why expectations have been tempered.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 13, 2011 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m guilty of hoping for a lot from Kadri.
In general, tempering expectations is probably a better approach since it allows room for pleasant surprises.
by stevesmith19 on Jul 13, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Seems like he’s been asked to be more defensively responsible with the Leafs/Marlies. I didn’t see any of his games with the Knights other than highlights but I’m guessing he was pretty much just on the ice to put up points?
I haven't seen anything to believe Kadri has become more defensively responsible.
Not that he’s terribly brutal, but I haven’t seen anything to make me believe he’s put on the ice for anything but point production.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 13, 2011 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions
During Burke’s most recent press conference he specifically said that Kadri would be playing the wing because they expect their centres to be more defensively responsible, so it sounds like his defensive game hasn’t improved the way they wanted it to.
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by Draglikepull on Jul 13, 2011 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Or he wants to give Kadri the freedom to play more of an uptempo, offensive game.
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by TheBurnward on Jul 13, 2011 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions
He has specifically said on multiple occasions that Kadri’s defensive shortcomings are the reason.
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by Draglikepull on Jul 13, 2011 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions
That said though, I won’t rule out the possibility of Kadri moving to C after, say, a couple full seasons in the NHL. He was never counted on for defensive responsibility in junior, so that adjustment takes time. But if he dedicates himself to being a student of the game and really learns the details of how to play C responsibly, his endless creativity with the puck could make him a force.
Would love Kadri to spend the summer with Kulie and Grabbo. Does anyone know where/with who the Leafs are training with over the summer?
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 13, 2011 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Lupul seems to be spending a lot of time with Biznasty playing golf and getting laid. Just working out the kinks in his back I guess!
It’s Mid-July…dude can do whatever he wants right now.
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by TheBurnward on Jul 13, 2011 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Of course. T’was a joke. From twitter it’s clear that they spend a lot of time hanging out but I don’t doubt that Lupul is very well-behaved.
Shit, if I was him…it would be about a month-long bender.
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by TheBurnward on Jul 13, 2011 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Caputi posted a picture the other day of him chillin with Kaberle
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 13, 2011 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
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Naz – “It turns all your bad feelings into good feelings.”
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by GreatKingRat on Jul 13, 2011 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions
I remember reading Grabbo and Kulemin went back to train in California with Todd Norman and MacArthur may have joined them. There is a video of them there last year
by ShahofToronto on Jul 13, 2011 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I had seen that. I know they’ve also spent some time with Datsyuk as well.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 13, 2011 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
I always approve of this.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 13, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
I hear they went to Disney Land and trained with Mickey Mouse
by WizardofNaz on Jul 13, 2011 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
very rarely to players move to wing early in their careers and then move back to C later.
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Yes
Lots go from C to W. Not many go from W after being established in the NHL then back to C.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 13, 2011 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Most kids growing up are centres because that’s where the best kids can have the greatest impact.
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I can’t quantify it but to my eye he doesn’t take those huge loops before backchecking as much.
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But is 60-70 points what you really want out of a #2 overall pick? A guy who scores like Nik Antropov?
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by Draglikepull on Jul 13, 2011 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions
you shouldn’t draft for intangibles like leadership and grit
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Maybe he has other things too, like size and the ability to control the puck down low.
Shit, he is Antropov, isn’t he?
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by Draglikepull on Jul 13, 2011 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I meant puck control and defensive play and physical play but sure…
by WizardofNaz on Jul 13, 2011 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Apparently the scouts don’t ignore it either though, as Burke said, his #2 thing he looks at is character after footspeed….
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 13, 2011 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions
I think by character he means not being a complete fuck-up
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 13, 2011 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
I’ve come to realize I have no idea what Burke means when he’s talking about character. The closest I’ve come to narrowing it down is being “a quality young man”.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 13, 2011 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
All this begs the question:
wtf is up with Brad Ross?
by Self Destructive Zones on Jul 13, 2011 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
psychosis
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 13, 2011 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
He’s a straight up lunatic.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 13, 2011 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
His “character” fits the role he’s meant to play.
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Since they are still paying for Darcy Tucker they figure they may as well have his clone actually play for it.
by ThickSkinnedAlive on Jul 13, 2011 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
You know,
You can make the argument that drafting players for these “intangible” characteristics is not a great idea, because it’s hard to tell what a player will be like after he’s matured a bit, but I do believe that it’s an important element in player acquisition.
Look at Burke: the guy will pretty much only trade players with whom someone in the organization has some kind of history or connection with. Same goes for the hiring of any front office staff.
The truth is, we as fans are never in a position to evaluate players or trades based on intangible issues, because we have no way of verifying them, but the perspective of a manager – of any business – it’s stupid to ignore what you know about a person’s personality, and its effect(s) on their work habits.
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(a) 60-70 points is more than Antro has been able to produce consistently.
(b) 60-70 points puts you in top 30 (best on some teams). If he can do that consistently I see no problem with that as a #2 pick
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Where scoring 60-70 points would put you in the scoring race
Year/Rank with 60 points/Rank with 70 points
2010-2011/48th/24th
2009-2010//55th/26-30th tie
2008-2009/60th-64th/39th-40th
So basically its going to put you in about the 30th-60th in scoring or the second best player on a team. Yeah thats good enough out of the #2 overall.
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I'm not sure I'd be happy with that from #2
If you assume the #1 and #2 picks are the best 2 players of their age (they should be, since they’re the first selections) then you shouldnt necessarilly be happy with that point range.
I’m just ballparking but there’s maybe a 24 year spread in the NHL? From Larsson to Lidstrom, or so
We obviously cannot count the goalies that go in the top 2 (2 in the last 10 years), and while we could count the defense, they’re unlikely to put up enough points to be in the scoring race. We won’t discount them yet though.
If you take those 24 years and multiply it by the top 2 picks, that’s 48 players. Now remember that its harder to put up amazing points as you get older, so you can eliminate some of those players, and then of course the defense as I said. You might be looking at around 30 players that you hope you would have drafted high. I know that sometimes there are great drafts (2003?) where there are lots of stars, but you still have the 2nd pick of everyone born in a certain year.
I’m just saying, expectation-wise, you would hope to get more than the 60th best player in the NHL, while he’s in his prime, out of a 2nd overall pick.
But you took the low end the higher end is 30th.
Mostly I was just pointing out that 60-70 points is much better than most people give credit to. They think you need to score 80 points to be high end.
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You’re right, the higher end is 30 but if he only hits that number once or even 3 times, I still might not be impressed.
No doubt I would love to have a player like that but I might expect more from a #2.
Here’s a list of the second forward drafted, since guys like Hedman shouldn’t really count in the points race, and the actual second in those cases
2010 – Tyler Seguin (2)
2009 – Matt Duchene (3) —> Victor Hedman (2)
2008 – Kyle Beach (7) —> Drew Doughty (2)
2007 – James Van Riemsdyke (2)
2006 – Jonathan Toews (3) —> Jordan Staal (2)
2005 – Bobby Ryan (2)
2004 – Evegeni Malkin (2)
2003 – Nathan Horton (3) —> Eric Staal (2)
2002 – Scottie Upshall (6) —> Kari Lehtonen (2)
2001 – Jason Spezza (2)
2000 – Marian Gaborik (3) —> Dany Heatley (2)
1999 – Daniel Sedin (2)
1998 – David Legwand (2)
The point is except maybe Beach, Upshall, and Legwand (who are around that range you said..l think) the rest are in those top 30 you said. Even the guys like Lehtonen, Hedman, Doughty are freaking good at their positions and I would probably value them more than a few years of 60-70 points
Right, this list is the kind of thing I’m talking about. I’d say 7/13 of those guys are or have been legitimate NHL stars. 7/13 is a pretty high percentage, and who knows where guys like Seguin and JVR will end up. You can’t get a Malkin, Toews, or Spezza every year at #2, but odds are high enough that you should at least be aiming for a player of that quality.
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by Draglikepull on Jul 13, 2011 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions
The original comment suggested
He will be able to put up 60-70 points a season in his prime
That is just a few year window a best, so not necessarilly consistantly
Antro has produced 60-70 points ONCE. In 2010-2011 he had 67 points at age 29. Besides that he has had 59 once (at 28) and besides that hasn’t cracked 55 points. 60-70 points is not “Antropov scoring” its high end offense.
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That’s fair
I had no idea what Antro’s numbers were like
If you read above though, I wouldnt be happy with that kind of output from a #2
Mostly because I wouldn’t have picked him there, and if I know that’s his cieling, I definitely wouldnt have
We have no idea though
Jerry D’Amigo simply looked okay
D’Amigo put up a 1.33 point pace in the OHL. The OHL’s leading scorer, Tyler Toffoli put up 1.58. A 68 game season puts D’Amigo at 9th, right behind Gregg McKegg at 8th. But y’know. 19 year old Jerry “simply looked okay.”
And a system with two top ten OHL scorers and the #11 WHL scorer in Josh Nicholls – despite none of these players being in their over-age year – ranks closer to the middle of the pack than the top? I understand that we still lack that flashy “clearly dominant” player in the system, but seeing as Ottawa’s in fourth, it shouldn’t be a limiting factor, as they have the same problem, excluding pretty much only Rundblad. Kadri’s AHL PPG production would have put him at second on the Binghamton Senators, being beaten only by the 27 year old Corey Locke.
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by Bower Power on Jul 13, 2011 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
D'Amigo dominated in his short time in the OHL.
In the AHL, D’Amigo did simply look “okay”.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 13, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
And this is it. He looked mediocre at best at the pro level which diminished his stock. Congrats you can dominate players younger than you (for the most part) but playing against men your out classed… yah not too great a reputation…
by WizardofNaz on Jul 13, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Here’s my issue: Dominating the league you’re supposed to be in at the age you’re supposed to be is inherently better than “okay.”
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by Bower Power on Jul 13, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
His numbers were awful during the second half of the season.
by Tickle Me Aulie on Jul 13, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Matt Stajan >>> Sidney Crosby… in the second half of the season!!
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I’m sorry for all the McKegg shout-outs today but I feel this needs repeating: McKegg is a top ten goal scorer from his draft year: http://www.coppernblue.com/2011/7/7/2264857/2010-draft-forwards-and-nhl-equivalencies.
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http://theleafsnation.com/2010/12/12/greg-mckeggs-production
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by Tickle Me Aulie on Jul 13, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Greg McKegg: serious steal.
Josh Nicholls: serious steal.
Brad Ross: …lunatic
by Ben Schnell on Jul 13, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
I believe there are questions about McKegg’s skating and that will impact his game at the NHL level.
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most of those stem from the injury he had the year before last, which was a main reason he dropped to the third round. He was apparently a little slow to start last season but got stronger and better as the season progressed
having never seen him it is hard to say if he has NHL speed
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I think he’s in tough because he’s just so damn good looking.
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look at the intensity in those eyes
he is gonna fart and you are gonna like it
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 13, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
no, I saw a more recent quote somewhere, I honestly can’t remember, who questioned if his skating would hurt him in the NHL. This was in the last 6 weeks.
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I tweeted Corey Pronman:
@So_Truculent: seems the PP org rankings heavily favor a few star players over system depth.
He responded with:
@CoreyPronman: That is the #1 factor, but depth is accounted.
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Tatar + Smith is good, but better than B. Schenn + Couturier? No.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 13, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Also not better than Schwartz + Tarasenko, or whoever Columbus drafted this year plus Johansen… etc
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I also tweeted Corey about D’Amigo looking just “okay,” and here was his response:
That comment was based on scouting reports I heard on him, not statistical production.
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I have stated that even when D’Amigo isn’t on the score sheet, I still came away impressed with his play both with and without the puck. I especially love his work on the boards. I wouldn’t call him just “okay” from what I saw. I’d say he could turn into a pretty impressive 3rd line winger who will become a fan favorite for his consistent effort.
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Yeah, I think he’s a bottom 6 guy for sure. But he still needs to figure out a way to perform better in the AHL.
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AHL regular season scoring stats among players with 1991 birthdays or later, sorted by birthday.
Andrew Crescenzi: Jul 29 1992. 1 point in 2 games.
Greg McKegg: Jun 17 1992. 1 point in 2 games.
Alex O’Neil: Jun 4 1992. 0 points in 6 games.
Tyler Toffoli: Apr 24 1992. 1 point in 1 game.
Jordan Weal: Apr 15 1992. 1 point in 7 games.
Ryan Spooner: Jan 30 1992. 3 points in 3 games.
Jared Knight: Jan 16 1992. 2 points in 3 games.
Austin Watson: Jan 13 1992. 0 points in 5 games.
Andrew Yogan: Dec 4 1991. 3 points in 2 games.
Garrett Mitchell: Sep 2 1991. 0 points in 2 games.
Brayden Schenn: Aug 22 1991. 7 points in 7 games.
Michael Latta: May 25 1991. 1 point in 4 games.
Taylor Beck: May 13 1991. 1 point in 4 games.
Jeremy Morin: Apr 16 1991. 12 points in 22 games.
Brandon Pirri: Apr 10 1991. 43 points in 70 games.
Alexander Avtsin: Mar 19 1991. 2 points in 4 games.
Jacob Josefson: Mar 2 1991. 12 points in 18 games
Andy Bathgate: Feb 26 1991. 0 points in 2 games.
Scott Glennie: Feb 22 1991. 0 points in 4 games.
Jerry D’Amigo: Feb 19 1991. 15 points in 43 games.
David Gilbert: Feb 09 1991. 3 points in 5 games.
Kyle Palmieri: Feb 1 1991. 51 points in 62 games.
Carl Klingberg: Jan 28 1991. 1 point in 8 games.
Peter Holland: Jan 14 1991. 6 points in 3 games.
Phillipe Paradis: Jan 2 1991. 1 point in 4 games.
Clearly D’Amigo’s 15 points in 43 games don’t look good here, but he has very few comparables. If we cut out everyone with less than 15 GP, you have Pirri’s 43 in 70, Palmieri with 51 in 62, Morin has 12 in 22, and Josefson has 12 in 18.
Very few people play in the AHL at this age, and for good reason. It makes me wonder why the Leafs bothered putting him in the AHL and not straight to the O to start, though I bet it had to do with signing the kid in the first place. That said, there have been productive players in this year, and even though his OHL numbers are similar to players who are considered to have some significant offensive upside, the kid has a long way to go if he wants to glance at someone’s second line. That said, I don’t have a problem with getting a productive third liner out of a guy we didn’t even spend a draft pick on. If we’re talking about his AHL time, I understand calling him “just okay.” But in the OHL? Should remind us that even though he’s a long shot – like everyone else – he’s got some potential.
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Nonetheless, I think we can all agree that he could turn into a real good player for a 6th round pick.
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Oh crap, you’re right. I forgot that he was a sixth, and not another college free agent signing. Scratch the part about “out of a guy we didn’t even spend a draft pick on” and replace it with “out of a guy we only spent a sixth round pick on.”
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so.... no schenn signing yet
but i can rest easy at night because mike zigga-zigga is signed for another year. >phew!!!!<
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 13, 2011 7:55 AM EDT reply actions 11 recs
Zig’d
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Double Zig’d
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by thenumber14 on Jul 13, 2011 8:35 AM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
zigging
is the original naming rec. I never really like doing it with anyone’s name but his.
by Wan Ihite on Jul 13, 2011 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
Glad to have helped :)
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As a reminder, proper Zigomanis decorum insists this entire comment tree be green.
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by Chemmy on Jul 13, 2011 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
*blue for those of us with Stylish, which is the one true Zig.
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Zigomagic.
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by AM18 on Jul 13, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
This confuses me on so many levels
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by T is for Truculence on Jul 13, 2011 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Except making this a white instant doesn’t really jive with the color wheel. It should either be a blue instant with a return them to your hand at EoT clause, or a green sorcery. But definitely not white.
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by SkinnyFish on Jul 13, 2011 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
my geekery is trumped. I concede defeat.
by TomServo42 on Jul 13, 2011 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
I’m just going to rec and pretend I understood any of that.
by Learn2Leaf on Jul 13, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
I’m worse: It should say “Put any number of creatures from your hand into play” because otherwise it would require a hand reveal.
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by Ubiquitous on Jul 13, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Ah but the hand reveal would be one of the reasons for having this spell be so low costed.
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by SkinnyFish on Jul 13, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Any decent blue deck doesn’t have creatures that would make much use of this card, as we tend to run with only a few blue-chippers while our spells do most of the work
White weenie decks could make good use of this, but it would be ridiculous in a green monster deck.
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by Chris Stoikoff on Jul 13, 2011 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I’m loving the entirely green comment section
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If you liked that
click on the links to last year’s appreciation thread and overflow (from the comments)
Arch did an incredible job of jumpstarting Zigomania.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 13, 2011 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
No pity recs, you have to work for them.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 13, 2011 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
I did.
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by SkinnyFish on Jul 13, 2011 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
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by Arenacale on Jul 13, 2011 8:23 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
That was my first thought after hearing he’d signed as well.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 13, 2011 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions
I tried really hard to get excited about this signing, until realizing the leafs have a plethora of Ziggy’s type. But, here’s to hoping it works out!
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jul 13, 2011 8:43 AM EDT reply actions
You'd think we do
but we really don’t.
Can you think of another 4C in our system other than Dupuis? Sure if we somehow get enough depth to bump Bozak down to 4C that’d be great. If somehow Colborne comes up during the injury due to an injury (looking at you Connolly) and plays too well to be sent back down when said injured player returns, putting Colborne as 3C and bumping Bozak to 4C / PK minutes wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 13, 2011 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions
I’d like to see Boyce re-signed, so that the competition for the 4C position is Ziggy/Boyce/Dupuis.
On a semi-related note, I believe the Leafs now have 47 of their 50 spots filled. Schenn will fill one of those spots. Apart from some possible competition at the 4C position, the other 2 spots will certainly be Marlies players. What are the needs there?
Relevent Darryl Boyce article
Boyce wants to stick with Leafs
He wouldn’t get into details about contract talks, saying only that his agent is taking care of the business side of things.
His main concern is his game.
To prepare for training camp, he’s been working out every morning at 9 a.m. alongside hulking Leafs defenceman Dion Phaneuf, whose family vacations on the Island every summer.
“We are pushing each other really hard,” said Boyce, 27. “I couldn’t be happier about it. For three hours, it’s biking and sprints…a really a good mix of stuff.”
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 13, 2011 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Sticking point seems to be that the Leafs want him on a 2-way, and his agent is arguing for a 1-way. I suspect that later in the summer, when it’s obvious that Boyce isn’t getting offerred a 1-way deal from any team, he’ll agree to a 2-way with the Leafs and be back in the fall.
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by Draglikepull on Jul 13, 2011 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions
I really hope no other team “finds out” about Boyce.
by stevesmith19 on Jul 13, 2011 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
2 of those 47 spots are McKegg and Crescenzi who, due to their age, cannot play in the AHL this season and will go back to the OHL after camp. So in reality, we have 45 SPCs.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 13, 2011 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Burke will throw pick up a few flyers at the main Leafs camp on the cheap (that Heard kid maybe).
There will be a few more depth AHL signings and likely Burke will hit 50 by Sept, unless he really thinks a trade can be made where SPC flexibility is needed.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 13, 2011 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Any trade where you take back more players than you give up requires an SPC slot.
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by Draglikepull on Jul 13, 2011 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Uh, of course. Did I say differently?
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 13, 2011 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Just saying that it’s a likely enough possibility that you always want to be prepared for it.
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by Draglikepull on Jul 13, 2011 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Meh
As we’ve seen before, if SPCs are a problem, a competent GM can find ways of getting one. (i.e. Lashoff for 2 shitty prospects, or take back/send a longshot in any trade to make the SPCs balance)
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 13, 2011 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions
But we don’t have those SPC slots until after camp, so Burke is more limited until then.
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mmhmm but those 2 going down will be good because it give Burke the breathing room at the end of camp (assuming they go down a couple days before camp) in case there are trades to be made
I don’t think they generally go down until near the start of the season (ie after camp). But I may be wrong.
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What site do you guys use to find F/O percentages? I’m trying to look up last years for Boyce but can’t remember where to find it.
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by stevesmith19 on Jul 13, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
FLAG’D for lack of Ziggy love!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by Tickle Me Aulie on Jul 13, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Ziggy is now a Maple Leaf ? ! ?
Wow now I have a reason to read the funny pages on Sundays…. (As If I really need a reason to read the funny pages !)
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 13, 2011 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions
I never read the newspaper comics. just the odd marvel comic book here and there.
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You’re missing absolutely nothing. Except the rage induced by Family Circus.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 13, 2011 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions
NEVER ? Your missing some of the best Cartoons.
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and Local Favorite..
GET FUZZY
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Get Fuzzy is the shit.
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by TheBurnward on Jul 13, 2011 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Calvin and Hobbes does rule pretty hard.
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I buy the big books. never have I ever seen one in Toronto’s newspapers.
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by thenumber14 on Jul 13, 2011 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Bill Watters
Stopped making new Calvin & Hobbes about 10 years ago.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 13, 2011 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Appreciate Calvin and Hobbes Here!
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 13, 2011 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions
The Leafs ex-president stopped was also the one drawing the Calvin and Hobbes comic?!??! sheesh, and I always thought it was Bill Watterson
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jul 13, 2011 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
uh… pretend you don’t see the word “stopped” up above, I know it takes the edge off the “zing” if there ever was one.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jul 13, 2011 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Ya you failed your typo burn, which in turn makes it a burn on yourself.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 13, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Can I also pretend it says ex-ass.GM instead of ex-president?
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by GreatKingRat on Jul 13, 2011 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
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by TheBurnward on Jul 14, 2011 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Some interesting things that I noticed out of Slava’s excellent scoring chances work:
1. Grabovski leads the team in yet another category. Adds a bit more to our discussions about him from yesterday, I think.
2. Tomas Kaberle was way better defensively last year than he got credit for. Relative to minutes played, he seems to have given up the fewest HQA of any Leaf defender. Schenn, the guy he was paired with for most of the year, has notably worse numbers.
3. Who you play with is extremely important. Bozak was on the ice for the 3rd most HQF on the team, presumably because he almost always played with Kessel. He certainly doesn’t seem like a guy who drives offence on his own.
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Great article. You kind of summed up my thoughts
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by MapleLeafMole on Jul 13, 2011 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Although based on the shooting locations post from a while back, when he did shoot, Bozak took very high quality shots.
But your point is valid seeing as he took so few shots. Also Kessel.
by stevesmith19 on Jul 13, 2011 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 13, 2011 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
And for that I am thankful.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 13, 2011 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 13, 2011 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
I like the owl on the left. If he wouldn’t try to eat the pug I’d buy him. STRAIGHT CASH SON.
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 13, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
I like the one 2nd from the right who is just like “fuck off i’m trying to nap here”
by WizardofNaz on Jul 13, 2011 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m assuming Wendel is making the trip out west with you right?
by Nigel Cadbury on Jul 13, 2011 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d assume so but I want to see videos of just how he copes with the move…
by WizardofNaz on Jul 13, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I may be the only one who cares
but where’s PPP? (Preparing for rewards once the “coup” is over)
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Over in the Pan The Parade thread earlier…
by WizardofNaz on Jul 13, 2011 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
SHHH, weekday dad is back so we miss be quiet about the coup!
by Tickle Me Aulie on Jul 13, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
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by Bower Power on Jul 13, 2011 12:56 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Johnny B is so telling Reimer that he could take him
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 13, 2011 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
That would be a hell of a showdown
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 13, 2011 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
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That photo was taken last year, James just doesn’t have the heart to walk away from Johnny while he’s rambling.
Johnny: The legion stopped selling stubbies about 4 years ago. I keep asking them to get them back, but they tell me they won’t make ‘em. I asked, oh shoot what’s that young feller’s name again….
Reimer: Uh-huh…
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 13, 2011 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think it’s clear from this photo that Mr. Bower doesn’t own anything without a Maple Leaf logo on it.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 13, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh it for sure is.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 13, 2011 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions
i want to see the pictures of him out bench pressing all the kids
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 13, 2011 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Mandelbaum!
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 13, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I CAN’T SEE THIS :(
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thank you, it’s beautiful :)
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And I just love your flashy ways.
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by furcifer on Jul 13, 2011 2:30 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
When that song came out I had a friend who thought it was “I just love your flashy blazers” and he couldn’t figure out what was so thug about that.
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by Draglikepull on Jul 13, 2011 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
haha that’s awesome
I have a friend who tells terrrrrrrrible stories. You know that guy who starts a story off really well and intriguing, and then just when you’re ready for the punchline or the good part he goes. “and yeah”
and you’re thinking what??? Or the guy who just goes on and on and loses interest? Well he’s both.
So by the end of the summer (hung out with him a lot over a summer) whenever he would start a story, about 10 seconds in me and my girlfriend would start singing
“cory cory cory, can’t you see? sometimes your words just hypnotize me” etc
good times
@SunnyOnSports Good news, @dboyce47 returns to the Leafs organization – terms disclosed shortly. Congrats.
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by stevesmith19 on Jul 13, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow, I was just about to type that.
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by Draglikepull on Jul 13, 2011 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Then again
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by stevesmith19 on Jul 13, 2011 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
This fills me with happiness, I love Boyce.
by leaflover4ever on Jul 13, 2011 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Seriously what is the deal with Schenn?
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If I had to guess
He is waiting until other high end D RFA’s sign so he can use them as comparables.
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Wouldn’t they all be waiting for the same thing..?
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by happiergilmore on Jul 13, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I was wondering that too. I heard speculation that Doughty was waiting for Weber’s arbitration (he either signs before that or has an arbitration ruling). Maybe Schenn is waiting for the same?
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Possibly, though I don’t think either guy is a comparable for Schenn anyway. Those guys are in a different league.
Schenn’s Agent: Drew Doughty got $6.5 million. That probably makes Luke Schenn worth about $5 million, right?
Burke: No.
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by Draglikepull on Jul 13, 2011 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Bogosian isn't though.
And those higher-up signings definitely set a ceiling, or at least a ballpark ceiling, for high-end RFA defensemen.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 13, 2011 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
EJ rather
He got 2 years at 2.6 mil per last year. He had played one less year, but was (arguably) higher profile, had produced more offense and was also a big hitter (I am not sure how he compares defensively).
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I think he should get somewhere between 3 and 3.5 for 3-5 years.
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That sounds like the right range to me.
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by Draglikepull on Jul 13, 2011 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions
If we hit thatbullseyeShea Weber arbitration, the rest of thedominoescontracts willfallbe signedlike a house of cardspromptly.Checkmate!Schennsational!
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 13, 2011 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Ha shit should have read this first
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 13, 2011 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Nothing and this is normal.
If I had to guess, his agent is waiting for Doughty and Bogosian to re-sign because Burke is lowballing him and they dont have many market comparables.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 13, 2011 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions
FAN590 THE FAN 590
540: Rick Dudley drops by to talk about his new job in the #leafs hockey ops department and his thoughts going forward to the 11-12 season
TUNE IN
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Dudley asked his position, he calls himself a “Player Personnel guy”
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by happiergilmore on Jul 13, 2011 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Asked his thoughts on the Atlanta-Winnipeg position.
He says he has no complaints on how things were handled. Understands dynamics and was told well ahead of time he would not be retained.
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by happiergilmore on Jul 13, 2011 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Asked his thoughts on the Atlanta-Winnipeg position.
He says he has no complaints on how things were handled. Understands dynamics and was told well ahead of time he would not be retained.
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by happiergilmore on Jul 13, 2011 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Asked on his impressions of Connolly back at the 1999 draft.
He says he was in the top tier and he was a very, very talented player. Tons of talent. Had a couple injuries, but when he’s healthy he can be a force.
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by happiergilmore on Jul 13, 2011 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Asked how to work around “why do we have Connolly and not Richards??” type issues.
Talks about lots of signings this year won’t look good and the 2 years for Connolly could probably be one of the best. Have faith in David and Brian, they’re going in a good direction. Connolly serves lots of our needs.
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by happiergilmore on Jul 13, 2011 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Asked why he joined a front office so heavily loaded.
Answered at this point in his career, titles don’t mean a lot to him. He was a “consultant” in Chicago, then Asst GM to Dale Tallon- had a great relationship and iced a great team. Thinks if he shows great input with trades, talent analysis etc.. things will work well again
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by happiergilmore on Jul 13, 2011 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions
So basically
They’re paying me very, very well.
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by happiergilmore on Jul 13, 2011 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions
bingo
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 13, 2011 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Let’s just say their offer moved me TO A BIGGER HOUSE
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by clrkaitken on Jul 13, 2011 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Interview is over, however they noted that Dudley’s career is heavily boosted by his bringing St. Louis to Tampa Bay
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by happiergilmore on Jul 13, 2011 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions
ESPN_NHL ESPN NHL coverage
RT @Avalanche: The #Avs have signed defenseman Shane O’Brien. Full details to follow.
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There’s that Liles replacement….
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 13, 2011 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions
globeandmail The Globe and Mail
Blue Jackets’ Huselius out 4-6 months: http://tgam.ca/CfnI
The4thPeriodDB Dennis Bernstein
You can cue those Semin to #CBJ rumors in 3…2….1.
What do they even have that Washington would want…? (excluding Johansen, Nash, Wiz and Carter)
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I think it more has to do with Semin playing for the BJ’s……
by Nigel Cadbury on Jul 13, 2011 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions
If they still had Filatov, I could see it happening. But with him in Ottawa and Semin on just a 1-year contract I don’t see it happening. Columbus isn’t going to move a top prospect for a rental year of Semin.
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especially if they arn’t contenders, semin + carter does not a contender make
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 13, 2011 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Semin + Carter + Nash…
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by happiergilmore on Jul 14, 2011 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions
well i meant “in addition to” and James Wisniewski wont do it either
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 15, 2011 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Jonas asks " have you ever had a little monster in you? seriously, look at that face.
phil’s gained weight.
Dion Phaneuf: turning the tunes up since '10
source?
yeah, phil has gained weight. he’s trying to fill out those suits he bought when he was 15.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jul 13, 2011 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions
i hope its muscle, phils head will always be fat
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 13, 2011 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Say what you want about the Monster, he’s got style
Kessel still looks awkward in a suit
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 14, 2011 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions
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