Pan The Parade
by Cox Bloc on Jul 13, 2011 10:30 AM EDT
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"Well, I’m at a loss. The only… you’ve got to look through his statistics, he’s got some offensive flair, he is not what you would call a rugged, truculent, testosteronic, guy… He’s more of a 3rd of July parade guy. He likes to enjoy the good life and I don’t, I just can’t put a reason behind why you’d give up on a 6’5 defenceman with offensive skill unless he’s just a bit too soft."
- Bill Watters – The Bill Watters Show – July 4, 2011
A ‘third of July parade guy?’ Is this a homophobic slur?
We reached out to the Bill Watters Show last week to clarify what exactly Bill meant when, in describing Cody Franson as soft, lacking pugnacity and testosterone, he referred to the new Leafs blue-liner as a "3rd of July parade guy." (The Pride Parade took place in Toronto on July 3 this year.)
We offered Watters several chances to explain what he meant, provide context, clarify any confusion, and/or apologize if this was a comment that he would like to retract. We have not heard back.
If Watters intended this as an anti-gay slur, it is unacceptable. Leafs fans haven’t had a lot to be proud about over the last few years as far as on-ice matters are concerned, but off the ice, the Leafs organization has given us several reasons to cheer. The Leafs have been at the forefront of the developing movement to confront and eliminate homophobia in hockey.
Beginning with the team’s official involvement in the film Breakfast With Scot under the JFJ regime to Brian Burke’s involvement in the aforementioned pride celebrations and Toronto GSAs, MLSE has demonstrated with words and actions that homophobia will not be tolerated within the organization, and that they are committed to being a leader on this issue in the wider community outside the ACC.
Burke’s commitment to fighting homophobia and intolerance, particularly since the death of his son Brendan, has been truly inspiring. While we would like to think that the organization would reconsider their relationship with AM 640, "the home of the Leafs" because of something like this, we realize that will never happen. These contracts go to the highest bidder, and every penny counts (especially if we’re going to buy more Cody Fransons). Moreover, we don't know if Watters reflects the views of the station's ownership.
But that doesn’t mean that we can’t do anything about it.
In one sense, homophobia in hockey is a large and complex issue, reflecting issues and anxieties about gender and sexuality that pervade all levels of hockey and the culture around it. Changing it can seem a massive task. But on matters like this, it is small and simple, just like it was when Milbury called the Sedins "Thelma and Louise" or the Reynolds agents blasted gay marriage equality. When we see what appears to be hatred and intolerance we can call it for what it is. We can let everyone know the free ride for casual bigotry and easy hate is over.
Let’s find out what Watters meant. Ask him. Call his show. Email him. Call and email 640 and find out whether Watters' views reflect their own, and if not, what they are planning on doing about it. Tweet your friends and ask them what they think. Write to Glaad and Egale and the CRTC. Watters chose to ignore the two of us; let’s see what happens when hundreds of Leafs fans demand to know why he thinks it’s acceptable to equate gay with weak. The phone lines are open, Wilbur. We're all ears.
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my interpretation
I see where you’re going with the homophobic reading, and I can see where you’d get that.
But part of me reads this as him saying Franson is a sort of “third-rate” acquisition. Like an elite guy is a July 1 guy, and then it proceeds down the list. Franson’s a “July 3rd” guy meaning he’s a poor alternative to the big names that other teams got?
It’s a reach, but maybe he meant it as a dig against the player’s on-ice contributions. Like “this is not somebody to get excited about, he’s not an impact player.”
Keep in mind he was acquired on July 3. (Also the day of the Pride Parade, I know)
The parade reference is a bit mystifying, i must admit. Best guess is that it’s some sort of “leaf fans get excited and plan parades” thing. But that’s definitely sounding like i’m giving Bill Watters far more credit than he deserves.
That’s how I want to interpret it, anyway. The homophobic interpretation is entirely possible, though.
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If that was the meaning, why didn’t his producer say so when I talked to him? Why didn’t Bill email us and clarify? Why all the connections btw ‘3rd of July’ & Franson’s supposed ‘softness’?
I just don’t see it.
fair enough
I just think it’s such an awkwardly constructed paragraph — I mean, if you want to make a gay dig, there are a lot clearer ones to be made.
I am most likely making excuses for Watters (a talking head who’s insights i find stupid in general, so this is an odd position for me)
The more I read it, the more it does look like a homophobic dig. I’m really just spitballing alternatives of what he could possibly have meant.
You’re right, his silence on the issue is the most damning of all.
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We communicated repeatedly that if we had misheard or misinterpreted the clip, we would not run any story, and we heard nothing.
careful
that sounds suspiciously close to journalism there. I thought you boys were bloggers without accountability?
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by pevans on Jul 13, 2011 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
who cares anyway
nobody said boo to a goose when Rob Cribb broke this story a year ago.
Nuthin’ to see here. Get back in your basement.
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I kinda sorta see where you’re coming from, but he said 3rd of July Parade guy. Unless there was a parade held on the 3rd day of free agency, I’m pretty sure CoxBloc is right on here.
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I choose to believe the Pride parade and the “we got rid of Lebda parade” overlapped.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 13, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well we know Burke was celebrating both so who knows…
by WizardofNaz on Jul 13, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
We discussed it before running with it and even before asking for comment.
The end result was that it doesn’t jibe with the rest of the quotation. He’s talking manliness one second and a July 3rd parade the next.
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When the Twitter hubbub about this started, my first reaction was “Oh, another Leaf fans planning parades joke,” so I see where you get that. It just seems too coincidental once you realize what the date coincides with though, especially considering ample opportunity to clarify.
I admit to being biased as all shit against Bill Watters, but there’s too many things overlapping here for me to think it was just a ramble.
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by puckurgently on Jul 13, 2011 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I had the same initial reaction, but that was before I knew that the phrase was used in relation to him being “soft”. I suspect Cox Bloc’s interpretation is correct.
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by Draglikepull on Jul 13, 2011 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions
He’s more of a 3rd of July parade guy
Your interpretation is a reach
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by MapleLeafMole on Jul 13, 2011 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Occam’s Razor: Old man known for saying and doing dumb things is probably homophobic.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 13, 2011 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
You’re right, unfair extrapolation.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 13, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
The article here closes with a request that we find out what Watters meant. That he seems unwilling to even make up an excuse speaks volumes in my opinion.
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by Kevin Sellathamby on Jul 13, 2011 10:45 AM EDT reply actions
LOL
Wilbur is what Brady calls him I think
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E-mail to Mr. Harris Program Director
Dear Mr. Harris,
I am writing to ask for clarification and explanation of a statement made by one of your on air personalities on his July 4, 2011 show. On the show Mr. Bill Watters was speaking about the Maple Leafs recent acquisition of Cody Franson. During the course of his statements Mr. Watters questioned why a player of his caliber and potential would be available. Mr. Watters wondered aloud
“The only… you’ve got to look through his statistics, he’s got some offensive flair, he is not what you would call a rugged, truculent, testosteronic, guy… He’s more of a 3rd of July parade guy. He likes to enjoy the good life and I don’t, I just can’t put a reason behind why you’d give up on a 6’5 defenceman with offensive skill unless he’s just a bit too soft.”
This years Pride Parade took place in Toronto on July 3, 2011, is this the parade to which Mr. Watters was referring? Is Mr. Watters questioning Mr. Franson’s sexuality? He clearly believes that being a “3rd of July Parade guy” and “being soft” to be mutually inclusive. The believe that a person’s sexuality has an influence on their perceived “strength” or “toughness” is not only offensive it is completely erroneous. Millions of LBGT deal with bigotry, discrimination, and hate on a daily basis thanks in part to the attitude demonstrated by Mr. Watters’ comments.
It is entirely possible that this is not what Mr. Watters meant, however repeated attempts to have him clarify his statement have not been returned.
I write this e-mail to give you the opportunity to clarify what Mr. Watters meant by his statements and if his belief that members of the LGBT Community are inherently weaker than the rest of society and thereby flawed is shared by AM640.
If this is the case I will no longer listen to any programming on your station or on your website and suggest to my friends and family that they do the same.
Thank you for your time,
Danny Gray
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 13, 2011 10:53 AM EDT reply actions 13 recs
Great E-mail
Respectful and impossible to ignore.
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I also e-mailed Watters a similar version of that e-mail.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 13, 2011 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions
As long as you send it it’s great.
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Me too no worries. I’m sure if enough people send the emails they will have to make some sort of response to it, which is exactly what we are looking for.
by WizardofNaz on Jul 13, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Shiiiit you all know my real name now……
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 13, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
His name is Danny Gray.
His name is Danny Gray.
His name is Danny Gray.
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Speaking of Fight Club, great movie about how men struggle to conform to the societal construct of masculinity.
Interestingly enough, based on a book written by a gay man.
by stevesmith19 on Jul 13, 2011 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Definitely too bad too many people like it because it’s “trippy” and “anti-capitalist”.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 13, 2011 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Fuck the man, man.
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by happiergilmore on Jul 13, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d say the book is more strongly anti-capitalist than the film. I guess the book is more strongly everything than the film.
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by Draglikepull on Jul 13, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
This guy gets it.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 13, 2011 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
i dub thee Dorian!
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 13, 2011 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
None of the nicknames you have given me have ever stuck.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 13, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
quiet dorian
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 13, 2011 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You use it on your twitter profile.
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by Kevin Sellathamby on Jul 13, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
World’s are colliding!
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 13, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Killing independent Danny
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by MapleLeafMole on Jul 13, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I’d actually like to copy and paste the exact same thing and change up the Danny Gray part
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by MapleLeafMole on Jul 13, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
I’d suggest changing a lot, might not be as effective if they think people are just randomly copying and pasting.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 13, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
This is correct. Nothing has the power to get ignored like a form letter.
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by puckurgently on Jul 13, 2011 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
I mean the guy who wrote it is obviously really smart and talented and wouldn’t mind people using it. Just want to be as effective as possible.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 13, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Good point. I will change it enough to notice. Great template to start.
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by MapleLeafMole on Jul 13, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
In case anybody’s interested in showing Mr. Harris the effects of institutionalized homophobia, there’s a wikipedia page dedicated to this topic: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_among_LGBT_youth.
Perhaps he should be made aware of its existence.
by stevesmith19 on Jul 13, 2011 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
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by Wrap Around Curl on Jul 13, 2011 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions
You’re back?
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by furcifer on Jul 13, 2011 11:58 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
E-Mail Bill
I’ll edit this in when the editor isn’t acting up but here is where you can contact the show directly to ask him:
http://www.640toronto.com/HostsandShows/BillWatters/Contact.aspx
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While I frown upon derogatory and hateful remarks against any kind of individual, I believe you guys are stretching this a little. While Watters remarks were stereotypical (and somewhat out of taste), they were not hateful, derogatory, or “slurring” in any way. Even if it comes out that Watters meant them as a stereotypical slight (God forbid any of these stereotypes may be somewhat accurate), you begin equating this to an agent expressing his views about his values and morals. Alas, enter the thought police. This is where I humbly bow out of the conversation as blogging and sports fandom gets to be no fun when it turns to politics and media trying to push their agenda!
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jul 13, 2011 11:07 AM EDT reply actions
Here we go…
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 13, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
I was unaware that advocating for equality and respecting human dignity was “politics”.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 13, 2011 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
(God forbid any of these stereotypes may be somewhat accurate)
Game over, please try again.
by Cox Bloc on Jul 13, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
When I lose the power
to call a guy a fag on a publicly licensed station on the public airwaves, WE HAVE ALL LOST OUR PRECIOUS FREEDOMS
Just because one can doesn’t mean one should.
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by puckurgently on Jul 13, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
To clarify – you frown on derogatory comments and use of stereotypes, but if the stereotype is true you may defend the right to be insulting under one’s “values and morals”?
Never said I frown on use of stereotypes; I sometimes use them myself, and… ON MYSELF! Surprise! I also never said that he had a right to insult another EVEN if it was true (as I did say it was distasteful). But, you can read whatever you want into it.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jul 13, 2011 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Did you read your comment as you wrote it?
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even if using stereotypes is ok, there’s a difference between me making fun of my friend for a stereotype (aka @leafer1984 did you fall down or are you playing soccer) and a media member who represents the team (as the channel is the “home of the Leafs”) using a stereotype.
Either way, Watters isn’t talking to his buddies in his backyard, (though saying things like this anywhere should be frowned upon) he’s on a syndicated radio show that house thousands of listeners. He should be held accountable.
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Also any of the truly negative stereotypes are always bad to say even around friends. The simple shrug them off ones like always making your asian friend calculate the tip because he must be good at math is funny (at first).
by WizardofNaz on Jul 13, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
There’s also a huge difference between using a stereotype of a powerful and/or well respected group (“those lawyers, they’re all after money”), and using a stereotype of a powerless group that has a long history of being abused, discriminated against, beaten up, fired from their jobs, etc, just because of who they are. There’s plenty of license for joshing around with the one, and a razor thing margin of error for doing real damage with the other. Any grown-up in our society should be aware of that, particularly ones who are handed microphones that broadcast to the rest of us.
by Wan Ihite on Jul 13, 2011 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I just love reading your comments.
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by MapleLeafMole on Jul 13, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Seconded.
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by CanadianMaple09 on Jul 13, 2011 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think it’s a stretch at all.
If Watters, as it appears, is referring to Cody Franson as gay – hence soft and why Nashville gave up on him – it is wrong and deserves heaps of criticsm. If homophobic as it appears, it’s a really dumb comment to make.
In particular coming from AM640 – “Home of the Leafs”
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by MapleLeafMole on Jul 13, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
they were not hateful, derogatory, or "slurring" in any way
Did I miss where calling a player soft was now seen as a compliment? He’s equating lack of truculence and testosterone with being gay.
you begin equating this to an agent expressing his views about his values and morals.
If he uses a comparison to a segment of society as a slur I think that says a lot about how much he values equality and respect for others.
media trying to push their agenda!
Ah yes, the siren call of victimization of the right! “The media is so awful for calling us out on our bigotry and hatred of homosexuals, poor people, minorities”. Cry me a river.
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That kind of thinking is par for the course at AM 640.
by stevesmith19 on Jul 13, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
The freedom to express an opinion does not grant you the freedom to be free from criticism for your opinions. Watters has the right to say homphobic things; similarly, those who disagree with him have the right to criticise his intolerance.
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by Draglikepull on Jul 13, 2011 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, that’s a sticky wicket argument. It could be seen that expressing homophobic comments on the public airwaves violates CRTC standards. There’s also journalistic standards that might be in violation as well. Much like Goddard earlier this year, Watters might be in some trouble.
Rephrasing puti’s point,
Bill Watters has the right to say homophobic things in the privacy of his home.
Bill Watters does not have the right to say homophobic things on the air as a representative of the AM640 network unless he is representing the viewpoints of AM640.
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See...
invoking the term “God” as if he has any relevance here is just as “political” as your assertion that people should look the other way when people say homophobic shit.
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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 13, 2011 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions
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by Wrap Around Curl on Jul 13, 2011 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Just feels like a guy trying to be clever (and perhaps manly for a “manly” sport… whatever that means) but ended up sounding incredibly silly and insulting. Much like Milbury’s “Thelma and Louise” schtick (which was pointed out to be a horrible analogy for someone being soft), it is one of those things that just should not have been said. If you want to call a player soft, just call him soft. Question his ability if you feel so inclined – enough with the veiled attempts and some sort of sneaky insult, because it isn’t fooling anyone.
Besides, even if Franson is soft… no more Lebda – how do you argue with that deal? Watters is an idiot.
if it was such an “error in explanation” then he, or a mouth piece chosen to speak for him should explain so, the failure to respond to a civil and well written asking of explanation is as telling as the original statement
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 13, 2011 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Jorn and Till spent a week trying to get a comment and even spoke to the producer and got nothing.
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I agree, completely, and as to why they haven’t responded, I’m not certain other than a guess that they think it was harmless.
if they think a potential homophobic slur was harmless there are bigger issues than Simmons at work here
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 13, 2011 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
If they thought it was harmless they would’ve responded after the first few people sent in emails saying “wait did he call him gay”. They would’ve sent out a simple press release saying “whoops no he meant ____”.
by WizardofNaz on Jul 13, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
I’d like someone with a math degree to investigate the correlation between the inanity of a counter-argument and the likelihood of the argument being presented in an unreadable block of text.
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by clrkaitken on Jul 13, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I’d like someone with a math degree to quantify just how beautiful I am… I’m thinking at least 99th percentile…
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I've got one!
But frankly that is a boring exercise in data collection with marginal beneficial results.
Crazy would be NOT overanalyzing everything.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 13, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Great piece. If anything his timing and choice of words seem poorly used. While I cannot with full clarity obtain from those words a guaranteed homophobic slur, it definitely warrants further explanation on his part. It is terrible to think in the age in which we live for someone, anyone to still utter such ignorance. Lets hope that he and am640 get the message.
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by blindfolded tank driver on Jul 13, 2011 11:10 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Who cares? If you have to look that deep into it to find an issue with his personal opinion, than maybe you should consider the fact that you’re no less intolerant than all of the gay bashers out there. I’m no Bill Watters fan and I live a block away from Queen and Wellesley, but c’mon? If you need to go digging to find a homophobic remark, than you’re looking for a fight. I mean, freedom of speech should be limited in the public press to where hate speech is unacceptable (and illegal), but 2 words that may be correlated to calling the pride parade for wussies doesn’t promote hate. Everybody has their own personal views, be they logical, hypocritical or not. If you really want to live in an accepting society, you should start with yourself, by accepting that people are different in their actions AND their beliefs. If you can’t accept diversity within peoples’ opinions then why do you expect the rest of the world to? Pissing on them with a comment forum attached just drops you to their level; it is not the way to go.
really? you want to have your fan base represented on the radio by someone who has potentially spouted a homophobic slur?
damn right I am looking for a fight if he meant it as such, getting someone like that off the radio is a worthy battle if i ever saw one
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 13, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions 16 recs
plus
Watters is pretty terrible in general as a radio personality
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I hope YouTube comes down to film this.
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by thenumber14 on Jul 13, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
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by Chemmy on Jul 13, 2011 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
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by happiergilmore on Jul 13, 2011 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
What, so you got something against homophobic slurs?
Next thing you know, you’ll be against racism.
Follow someone else on Twitter.
by not norm ullman on Jul 13, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
sexism too, I know, I’m just as shocked
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 13, 2011 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Esso's gotta be a chick
you know how flaky those gals are. And the Black ones, man, they’re the worst, “blah blah blaaaaah”, never shut up.
What, it’s just an opinion, right? How dare you oppress my right to spout off and make marginalized people feel alienated and stigmatized, and like they’re some kind of ‘other’ rather than real people in their own right. Next you’ll be telling me I can’t punch whoever I like, or rob children if I want to. I mean seriously, if kids wanted to keep their money and candy and running shoes they’d be bigger and stronger and not so girly so they could stick up for themselves. Get off my case, you freedom hater!
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by Wan Ihite on Jul 13, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
i wonder .. do plastic nose jobs burn and melt in hell ?
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That would depend on the type of plastic used, and the temperature in Hell.
If we’re talking about your basic polyethylenes, then it’d have to get above 250°F, but for your polyphenylenes you’d need to go as high as 300 or 400°F. Now if you wanna talk nylons, we can just see if your kitchen oven is up to the task, but I’d put my money against it.
So to answer your question, I think if Hell were hot enough to melt most plastics, poor Michael would probably die from heat exposure before that happened.
My question to you is, why would poor Michael be in Hell? Because of all the good press he gave to zombies?
He spent his life doing good things. I believe he was a Christian man. For all you know, he accepted the Lord Jesus as his personal Saviour and is now at God’s side. If heaven exists without Michael Jackson in it, then I don’t want to go to Heaven.
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by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jul 13, 2011 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh man, hell is gonna be so much fun. Think of all the interesting people we’ll get to meet
by ShahofToronto on Jul 13, 2011 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I was wondering how long it would take before someone said ‘you aren’t tolerant yourself if you don’t tolerate all opinions, including things like thinking poorly of gays’.
I love that argument.
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 13, 2011 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Can you be intolerant of intolerance? Does that work?
by Self Destructive Zones on Jul 13, 2011 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
To quote awesome Canadian rock band Rush
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by SkinnyFish on Jul 13, 2011 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
WOO I now have this song in my head
Thanks :)
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by WizardofNaz on Jul 13, 2011 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
ehhhhhh Judges?
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by thenumber14 on Jul 13, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Sounded Italian and we all know they don’t do anything properly anyways
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by WizardofNaz on Jul 13, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, it’s like a vicious cycle or something like that.
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by Kevin Sellathamby on Jul 13, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Mark “tolerance means accepting bigotry and discrimination as acceptable beliefs” on your inane bingo cards.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 13, 2011 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think I’m actually going to make bingo cards.
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by puckurgently on Jul 13, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Please do.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 13, 2011 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Please do
I’d love to see how universal it is
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by puckurgently on Jul 13, 2011 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
I don’t think they "went digging looking for trouble’ to paraphrase you. When I first heard the comment my first thought was “wow did he just call him gay because he’s not a physical player?” I’m not surprised others thought the same way. And we didn’t have to read between the lines to find this, it was our initial impression. The real issue was the show not responding to inquires about what exactly it meant. If it was a simple misunderstanding they would’ve just said that, but the fact they are ignoring it and skating around the issue to me speaks more that it was an intended gay slur.
by WizardofNaz on Jul 13, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
So much wrong in there. Don’t know where to start.
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by MapleLeafMole on Jul 13, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
typical
Just because people have a right to their opinion does not mean that they have the right to have their opinion free from criticism.
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I think the most interesting thing is that some have suggested that intolerance and “hate speech” actually serve a valuable purpose. It causes those with more tame but still intolerant beliefs to re-asses them as they don’t want to be associated with those promoting hate. The example being the town where the Westboro Baptist Church “God Hates Fags” has become much more inclusive of the homosexual community, I believe they have an openly gay city councilor.
Read more here. The Value of Hate Speech
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 13, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m so torn on this. Yes, hate speech shows us who the idiots are. But, if I’m remembering correctly, gay teens have one of, if not the highest, suicide rates probably because they have to hear this kind of shit (and much worse).
by stevesmith19 on Jul 13, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh yeah, definitely. Just that there is SOME value to it and as the community at large becomes less homophobic the hate speech is pushed to the fringes even more and will drive down those rates.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 13, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
I can see that. The best solution though is probably just education. Of course, when you try to change sex-ed in school, the rabid social conservatives emerge from the woodwork.
by stevesmith19 on Jul 13, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Which is why the “It Gets Better” campaign (among other things) is so important.
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I can’t wait for the NPH add for that campaign…
by WizardofNaz on Jul 13, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree.
I have a real problem with enforcing hate speech laws because I consider them thought crimes (unless inciting violence or harm).
Sunlight is the best disinfectant. When someone says something hateful it should be done similar to it was done here: Let them say it but then let them be judged and rightfully criticized for their bigotry in the court of public opinion. It actually allows for freer discourse which ends up making bystanders in the discussion question their own prejudices, by hearing objections to their biases that may have otherwise been silenced.
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by furcifer on Jul 13, 2011 11:43 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yep.
The solution to bad speech is better speech.
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by puckurgently on Jul 13, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Hate speech laws are only intended to go after people who are attempting to incite violence; they aren’t meant to target remarks that are merely mean-spirited. What Watters said, however distasteful, is not hate speech (not in a legal sense, anyway).
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by Draglikepull on Jul 13, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah
I tend to agree which is why the argument that we for some reason can’t bring attention to this kind of backwardness is ludicrous.
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Nor are their opinions, beliefs, actions or words free from persecution. If I believe my neighbour is a pedophile and I go around telling everyone and putting it in writing without proof, I can be sued, freedom of speech be damned.
Meeh you’d also be persecuted for being such a dillholle
by WizardofNaz on Jul 13, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
That’s libel. Different thing.
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by furcifer on Jul 13, 2011 11:44 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The point in either case is that the truth is a defense.
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by puckurgently on Jul 13, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
And since we acquired a clip of the show and transcribed it honestly and to the best of our ability we’d be protected either way.
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That’s libel. Different thing.
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by furcifer on Jul 13, 2011 11:44 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I hear that in columbus, Libel is a different thing
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 13, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
I think it has something to do with crosschecking which is legal
by WizardofNaz on Jul 13, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Well it’s not a goal scoring competition.
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2 words that may be correlated to calling the pride parade for wussies doesn’t promote hate
1. It’s pretty clear what he means
2. The post isn’t about whether it’s hate speech (that’s different) but whether it’s homophobic which it is.
3. Being tolerant of people’s beliefs does not extend to eschewing criticism of those beliefs just because you are unable to distinguish critiquing backwards beliefs from actively working to stifle speech.
4. As consumers, we have a right to make our decisions on whatever basis we want. If people decide to stop listening to AM640 then aren’t they free to do so and shouldn’t they be free of your criticism.
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I am not defending what was said, but it definately wasn’t homophobic. Stupid, ignorant and stereotypical, for sure, but all he did was say that he is as soft as a gay guy. Read more to me like that wasn’t a Brian Burke type guy.
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by Chemmy on Jul 13, 2011 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions 11 recs
That guy doesn’t understand what homophobia is.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 13, 2011 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
TECHNICALLY it isn’t homophobia in the true sense of the word because its not a fear of gay people, its a demeaning slur against gays. That being said homophobia in todays world is anything anti-gay.
I think it qualifies.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 13, 2011 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Apparently though its “definately” not homophobia.
by Self Destructive Zones on Jul 13, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Like I said in the true base form of the word it doesn’t necessarily qualify, but in the colloquial version of the word yes it is very homophobic.
Hate and fear aren’t terribly different. Homophobia is the correct label.
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They’re pretty closely tied in this instance.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 13, 2011 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
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by Bower Power on Jul 13, 2011 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Dumb ass should have taken the high ground…
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I rec’d that shit.
Didn’t seem to work for Darth Maul…
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by Back In Black on Jul 13, 2011 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh...
Right. Still it worked for Obi won..
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I rec’d that shit.
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by T is for Truculence on Jul 13, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I do understand what homophobia is. I stand by my statement that it was a stupid, ignorant and stereotypical thing to say, but it doesn’t look like there is any malice there.
I keep re-reading the statement and I keep coming up that it looks like Watters likes the kid and can’t figure out why Burke doesn’t. I guess I just don’t have a chip on my shoulder.
He even states at the end of that quote “I just can’t put a reason behind why you’d give up on a 6’5 defenceman with offensive skill unless he’s just a bit too soft.”
Uh, if Burke didn’t like the kid, why would he trade for him?
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Meh, I don’t know. I will rescind my that it is definately not homophobic statement, to I personally don’t think it is. To me it is just plain ignorant but that doesn’t equal homophobic.
You don’t really have to be expressing fear to be homophobic. As M-W tells us, it’s simply a word for being prejudiced against homosexual people. Insinuating that gay NHL players are worse NHL players is certainly a prejudiced statement against homosexual people, and as such it’s definitely a homophobic statement. It’s an ignorant statement, and in this case it’s also a homophobic one.
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The problem is not that he’s dripping an obvious hatred of gay people to the point that you can’t imagine he’d be able to be in the same room as one. The problem is that he’s perpetuating stereotypes that genuinely hurt gay people. If you’re gay and on a hockey team you probably feel (with some reasonable justification) that you can’t reveal it because if you do people will imagine that you are soft, or less than a real person, that they will give you crap, and could possibly assault you (this is depressingly rare). People like this who casually perpetuate the stereotype are contributing to building this wall of isolation, partly by reinforcing the stereotype, but also partly by signalling an implicit acceptance of it – it creates an environment that is comfortable for people who really are more homophobic to behave in genuinely unacceptable, harmful, damaging ways. And that is worth going to great lengths to avoid.
by Wan Ihite on Jul 13, 2011 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Makes for a difficult covairsation.
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by GreatKingRat on Jul 13, 2011 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Now if he was a corvair, that would be something.
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by Draglikepull on Jul 13, 2011 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions
There’s only one parade in Toronto on July 3rd: the gay pride parade.
Bill Watters said Franson is a QUOTE “3rd of July parade guy”.
What the hell else does that mean to you?
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if i called someone lazy as a “n++++er” in a way that had no malice it would still be racist and I would deserve the scorn I got.
and if someone pointed out to me that i said something that came off as racist then I would have the balls to say “Oh…shit, well I did not mean it that way, i sincerely apologist”
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 13, 2011 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
nagger, I hate being nagged
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 13, 2011 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Well we wouldn't have to do it
if you put your plates away after dinner. And why is the lawn so long, didn’t you cut it? And would it kill you to get your hair cut?
Crap, so I can’t like nutter butters any more?
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Surprisingly …. ~ I agree with you totally on this. I dislike that N Word entirely
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It’s probably bad when you consider it a “surprise” to people that you dislike the N word. I mean, I was pretty sure we were all unanimous on that one. =P
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by Bower Power on Jul 13, 2011 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t like the N-word as surprising as that is. Go Flyers!
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by furcifer on Jul 14, 2011 12:08 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
my students
seem to love it… but they’re teenagers that think they’ll be future rap stars…. so that somehow excuses their blatant ignorance.
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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 14, 2011 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions
You are completely lost. I am not trying to be rude.
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by MapleLeafMole on Jul 13, 2011 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s splitting hairs to say that it’s promoting a derogatory stereotype but not ‘homophobia’. In practice there is very little daylight between those two, and neither is acceptable.
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by Back In Black on Jul 13, 2011 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I just punched myself in the ear to try and rid my brain of that
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 13, 2011 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Did it work?
Should I try?
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by MapleLeafMole on Jul 13, 2011 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
i saw stars and now i cant hear out of my right side
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 13, 2011 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
but all he did was say that he isBut that IS the problem! The problem is that he essentially used the term “gay” in a derogatory manner to label someone as a weak individual. If you don’t understand why that’s wrong and why Bill Watters should be chastised for it, then you’re an idiot, plain and simple.as soft as a gay guy.
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And THIS is why I don’t think I will see an openly gay player in the NHL during my lifetime.
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Maybe, but I think there are more and more people willing to say “Hey fuck you” in response to bigotry and people saying “You’re a jackass” probably makes closeted people feel comfortable that people have their backs.
I dunno about in a sports locker room because none of us have ever been there. It’s easy to say “they’re all dumb meatheads” but we don’t know.
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sure, but I just see it as the environment makes it more of a hindrance than a boon for these players, so unless something changes I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if they waited until they were retired to come out.
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That’s true in most industries though. I doubt up and coming lawyers and investment bankers or anyone in an industry with an old boys’ club would come out of the closet.
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I think that depends on the place. We did a firm tour and Heenan Blaikie in Toronto, and the lawyer who does all of their recruitment sessions and stuff like that is openly gay (he’s pretty young and up-and-coming), one of my friends actually found out because he did an interview for a story in a gay/lesbian legal magazine.
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Not planning on living much longer? You don’t think in the next 50 years there won’t be at least one?
Nah
We almost certainly will see one within 15 years, I hope you live longer than that. Other sports are already cracking too, it won’t be long. Besides, within 10 years someone will simply come up and make the NHL who was publicly gay from adolescence.
I hope you’re right. Reading about that Michael Irvin piece he did in OutSports was pretty encouraging.
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Indicators are good. Just about every time a survey is released with attitudes toward sexuality, there’s been a tilt toward tolerance since the last measure. There’s obviously still quite a ways to go, and pro sports will likely be among the last boats to get across the river, but society is becoming more and more tolerant, and locker rooms will follow suit. Tough to estimate a number of years, but I don’t expect to be an old man when the first pro comes out.
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by puckurgently on Jul 13, 2011 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions
.I don’t think I’ve heard this phrase so aptly and frequently used so many times in a thread but:
What the fuck are you talking about?
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That’s funny, read more to me like Watters thinks the idea of a gay hockey player is undesirable.
by Self Destructive Zones on Jul 13, 2011 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I would love for the first openly gay person be someone like Chris Pronger who is the toughest mother fucker on the ice…
sorta like Borje Salming
had to come and dewussify the stereotype of Europeans in hockey (though even despite his work it still persisted for a long time).
I think you meant “persists”.
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by Back In Black on Jul 13, 2011 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions
WHAT THE FUCK
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by Chemmy on Jul 13, 2011 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
Is this real life?
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by FiftyMissionCap on Jul 13, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
What parts of Florida are worth going to? Florida’s one giant wnag-shaped landmass of suck.
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I don’t get the appeal of an amusement park. Like at all.
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by SkinnyFish on Jul 13, 2011 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Or south central, or midwest.
More states allow first cousin marriage than gay marriage.
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by Bower Power on Jul 13, 2011 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
(color in new york on that map for yourselves)
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Pretty sure Ontario allows first cousin marriage.
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they do, it’s not illegal. I used to joke about that when me and my cousin worked at the same restaruant and people would ask if we were related, I said yes we were married, and also cousins.
by Nigel Cadbury on Jul 13, 2011 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
because mutant babies with 12 fingers get made fun of less than adopted kids with two daddies, duh
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 13, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Don’t get made fun of at school when you don’t go to school.
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plus, when you have an extra finger, that’s one more the hogs can bite off before you can no longer play the banjo
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 13, 2011 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
murder face bass solo!
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 13, 2011 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions
soft as a gay guy
That’s the problem
Also, your comment made me laugh
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by MapleLeafMole on Jul 13, 2011 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions
"all he did"
wtf man? You don’t get it.
Being homosexual doesn’t make someone soft… nor does being heterosexual make you “hard”… sexual preference has absolutely NOTHING to do with your masculinity, or your strength, or anything of the sort.
If you think being straight makes you more of a man then I guess all the straight women in the world are manly also?
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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 13, 2011 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Who cares? If you have to look that deep into it to find an issue with his personal opinion, than maybe you should consider the fact that you’re no less intolerant than all of the gay bashers out there.
Pointing out intolerance is not intolerant. Saying that to be tolerant we should accept bigots and the hateful is juvenile if not intentionally obstinate.
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your intolerance to our intolerance of his intolerance is very intolerant
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 13, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Oh no I’ve gone cross-eyed.
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by SkinnyFish on Jul 13, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
No.
there are some things that aren’t “acceptable” and one of those would be being a close minded, intolerant, bigoted ass.
You don’t start making the world more “tolerant” by allowing people to think whatever the hell they want.
People are confusing freedom of speech (which Canada does NOT have enshrined in our constitution) and freedom of thought, with tolerance… he can think and say what he wants… but that doesn’t mean people have to tolerate or accept it.
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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 13, 2011 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, we do have “freedom of thought, belief, opinion and expression, including freedom of the press and other media of communication” which I would say is just a more elaborate way of saying “freedom of speech”. At any rate, no one was talking about getting the government involved, and free speech is a legal issue, not a social one.
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by Draglikepull on Jul 13, 2011 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions
.
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by Wrap Around Curl on Jul 13, 2011 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions
fuck Bill Watters
How could anyone not see the benefit of replacing Lebda?!!
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by furcifer on Jul 13, 2011 11:25 AM EDT reply actions 7 recs
.
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by Wrap Around Curl on Jul 13, 2011 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
In case it needed to be said
Just kidding, obviously it needed to be said, if you don’t give a shit about Watters using a homophobic slur because you enjoy using them yourself, feel people should be free to literally say whatever they want, or you’re just too lazy then don’t do anything.
If you do care that the Leafs’ rightholder employs a guy that thinks a gay player is a lesser person then please contact AM640 and ask Watters to clarify what he meant.
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by PPP on Jul 13, 2011 11:37 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Further to that. For all those that complain that “this is a hockey blog” many people spent a lot of their time here and have developed friendships. We have collectively built this community to be a safe and inclusive one this is a part of that.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 13, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes because the smart ones leave the fan base as soon as they can.
by WizardofNaz on Jul 13, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
The act of “raising” implies that the kid made a choice to adhere to his parents’ philosophies.
by stevesmith19 on Jul 13, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Put them in foster homes!
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by Draglikepull on Jul 13, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
When did we start disliking Sens fans more so than Habs fans, not that I am opposed, but, I do not think we should exclude habs fans from our exclusion
Bam Bam.- digga digga damm
Habs fans are at least fun to argue with… Sens fans are like arguing with a 3yr old… Except a really stupid 3yr old
A really naive ignorant 3-year old that’s as stubborn as a barn owl.
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And it’s directly related to the Maple Leafs, whether it’s minutiae in your mind or not, and that’s what we write about here.
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feel people should be free to literally say whatever they want
That doesn’t necessarily conflict with having a problem with this kind of commentary from Watters.
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by puckurgently on Jul 13, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
I think I’m misinterpreted to a certain extent. I’m pro-gay. And believe in gay marriage. In fact, my philosophy is to each their own; It doesn’t bother me if it doesn’t hurt me. All I am saying is everybody is so quick to jump on others and have their opinions about it. If Bill Watters intended to gay bash, I agree with this article. That’s why I said: “freedom of speech should be limited in the public press to where hate speech is unacceptable (and illegal)” But this comment line is just all hate speech, as well, which is what my point is. You can be a hypocrite and still be right; but it is unrealistic to have expectations of other people, who have grown up in their own environments with their own censored television and radio shows that streamline what is “acceptable” and what’s not. Yes, gay bashing is wrong, but Gays aren’t more important than the rest of society, they’re merely equal; so why is it right to spend more time defending gays than anybody else who is the victim of an injustice? I’m not defending Bill Watters gay views, I’m saying the people on here bashing him obviously find it much easier to point out other peoples’ faults then take a step back and look at the problems that they themselves contribute to society. And wanted to say that they should consider that before commenting something anti-Bill Watters. You’re taking his lack of response and using it as evidence against him.
Godd Till and Kim Jorn noticed this injustice and have written about it. If there are other injustices being committed by people relevant to a Leafs website’s audience please enlighten us so that we can help fight them too.
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What makes you think that anyone here doesn’t also examine their own shortcomings?
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by Draglikepull on Jul 13, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Also, there’s nothing here that would even remotely qualify as “hate speech”, since we’re discussing one remark made by one person and attaching it only to that particular person. Hate speech, by its very nature, attacks an identifiable group.
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by Draglikepull on Jul 13, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Didnt say that. I said: “I’m saying the people on here bashing him obviously find it much easier to point out other peoples’ faults then take a step back and look at the problems that they themselves contribute to society”. And they could examine their own shortcomings; yet, if they find the need to express negativity against an individual through a hypocritical means, than their self-examination is just that and obviously nothing has been done to try and prevent those shortcomings.
Fine.
I’m an emotionally crippled probable alcoholic narcissist. Can I criticize homophobes now?
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by puckurgently on Jul 13, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
wow your short comings are eerily similar to mine… I also have a major issue with people who smell bad almost every day because there are ways around that.
by WizardofNaz on Jul 13, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
I spent too much of my teenage years and early 20’s smoking pot, and have become incredibly lazy
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by MapleLeafMole on Jul 13, 2011 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
I spend too much time playing violent video games and I post on hockey message boards while I’m at work.
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by Draglikepull on Jul 13, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
I post on hockey message boards while I’m at work.
Degenerate!
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by puckurgently on Jul 13, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
zero modesty, over aggressive, impulsive, I drink too much, eat terribly fatty foods and workout obsessively because of vanity issues
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 13, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Like this thread.
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by Draglikepull on Jul 13, 2011 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I KILL PEOPLE AND BURY THEM UNDER VIADUCTS
Wait, was I not supposed to say that?
by NatsMaslund on Jul 13, 2011 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Could your provide a specific example of someone here being hypocritical? Who here is criticising Watters while also perpetuating gay stereotypes themself?
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by Draglikepull on Jul 13, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thank you oh fair and just absolute arbiter. We appreciate you enlightening all of us on our shortcomings while we try to stand up for a group that is regularly discriminated against.
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 13, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
you are american
ew
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 13, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Wears glasses.
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by puckurgently on Jul 13, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
dating someone from another country….oh wait…oops
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I thought he’d been cured.
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it can be killed with fire though. Hence, Devils Night in Detroit.
by Nigel Cadbury on Jul 13, 2011 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions
“There’s nothing more exhilarating than pointing out the shortcomings of others” – Randall, Clerks
if you’re going to pull the log in your own eye argument you basically reject any criticism of anyone, ever. There are certain areas where I have no shame in claiming moral superiority over someone else. In this case if Watters, entitled to his opinion, meant it as has been suggested here I would judge him as deficient in this case. We can only judge on a case by case basis not based on the idea that we, the judgers (sic), have no shortcomings of our own.
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by furcifer on Jul 13, 2011 11:57 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Gays aren’t more important than the rest of society, they’re merely equal; so why is it right to spend more time defending gays than anybody else who is the victim of an injustice?
When people start making heterosexual jokes and equating it with a lesser status, I’ll defend that cause.
Plus “defending gays,” as you put it, is relevant to Leafs fans noting Brian Burke and MLSE’s stance on homophobia
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by MapleLeafMole on Jul 13, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
People make Blonde jokes, but I’ve never read a thread like this bashing someone for making a Blonde Joke. Really, it’s the fact that they were imprisoned for years and forced to have sex in public then arrested and thrown in jail by colluding officers under the crime “Gross Indecency”. That’s why theyre an identified and protected group. Not because they’re made fun of.
by esso on Jul 13, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
what the fuck are you talking about?
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by Chemmy on Jul 13, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
No one ever seriously posits that blondes are lesser forms of humanity. Gays have yet to acquire that comfort.
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by puckurgently on Jul 13, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
seriously what the fuck are you talking about?
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by Chemmy on Jul 13, 2011 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
he more or less compared an apple to a banana.
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by Kevin Sellathamby on Jul 13, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Now now, let’s not bring in the fruity analogies here, we’re trying to be adult about this.
Besides, how are blondes apples?
I was using those as examples… comparing discrimination against gays to blonde jokes are comparing two completely different things
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by Kevin Sellathamby on Jul 13, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Come back with proof that blondes have been a historically marginalized group with a lack of equal rights.
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by furcifer on Jul 13, 2011 11:59 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The banana is obviously inferior due to it’s yellow/blonde color, but then also superior due to it’s phallic shape. Therefore the apple and banana are equals.
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by SkinnyFish on Jul 13, 2011 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
damn you and your math skinnyfish
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by Kevin Sellathamby on Jul 13, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Go banana!
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 13, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
being a blond, I can assure you that every single time some one has told one, it has been in good nature and i have never been offended by one. I am also from Newfoundland, I hear newfie jokes all the time
also from what I can gather, no one in North america was ever nationally shunned, beaten or dehumanized as a blond or newfie the way gays are
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 13, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I’ve beaten a blonde newfie before… so watch out…
granted he threw the first punch so not the same thing.
by WizardofNaz on Jul 13, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
we like to throw the first punch, our race is an aggressive and impulsive one
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 13, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Steryotype there Jared!
(spelling mistake is free)
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jul 13, 2011 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions
we can use those words you cant!
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 13, 2011 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions
The best newfie jokes i have heard came from newfies… they have tons of them!
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jul 13, 2011 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Are you kidding? We drag newfies behind pickup trucks all the time down here in Texas.
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 13, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Why is it always Texas? Why can’t people make more fun of Oklahoma and Arkansas? I demand equality!
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fuck the cowboys
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 13, 2011 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
My default joke state is West Virginia.
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by puckurgently on Jul 13, 2011 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I go with Wyoming, as I believe that no one is actually from there.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 13, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Similar to my policy about mocking the Amish on the Internet.
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by puckurgently on Jul 13, 2011 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Because if someone does something stupid in Oklahoma, there probably isn’t anyone around to witness it for 3 miles. And Arkansas is hard to spell. Who the hell put in that silent s? Stupid inbreeds.
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When someone tells a blonde joke, I don’t think they’re insensitive- I just think they’re not funny.
FULL DISCLOSURE: I am a blonde.
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Owls who?
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by Back In Black on Jul 13, 2011 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
it was funnier when the crazy owl from legend of the guardians said it…
by bowling_kid25 on Jul 13, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
A blonde and a lawyer. Oh man…
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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On top of being a Bruins fan?
I ALMOST feel sorry for you
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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Stupid Bruins.
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by Back In Black on Jul 13, 2011 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
And now you see why I don’t feel sorry for you
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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Plus by now, most, if not all, of the jokes are unoriginal and played out.
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Yah after 25 years most blondes are old and played out too…
by WizardofNaz on Jul 13, 2011 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
O_O
Really, it’s the fact that they were imprisoned for years and forced to have sex in public then arrested and thrown in jail by colluding officers under the crime "Gross Indecency". That’s why theyre an identified and protected group. Not because they’re made fun of.
And they’re still being treated like this. And being treated unfairly through different actions.
But you’re right, we should stand up more to Blonde jokes, and for that matter Dick jokes (THEY CAN’T FIGHT BACK), because that’s remotely the same circumstances.
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by Fergus30 on Jul 13, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
My dick can fight its own battles…
SWORD OF EXCELSIOR!!
by WizardofNaz on Jul 13, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
wow that came off way worse than I’d hoped
by WizardofNaz on Jul 13, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
twss
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People make Blonde jokes, but I’ve never read a thread like this bashing someone for making a Blonde Joke.
Homophobia is relevant to being a Leaf fan, see above why.
Who gives a shit why they’re a “protected group”…they are
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by MapleLeafMole on Jul 13, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Actually, I think it is relevant. Gay people are frequently the victims of actual violence; I know someone who was once viciously assaulted by a group of men who claimed he looked like a “fag”. Gay teens commit suicide at a rate vastly disproportionate to their peers because of the difficulties presented by being a gay teenager, whether open or closeted. Sexual orientation isn’t just protected because it sounds nice, it’s protected because there are very serious real-world consequences of homophobia. And that’s why it’s important to make it clear that what Watters said was unacceptable.
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by Draglikepull on Jul 13, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
A couple of my friends were beaten so badly that they had to spend quite a bit of time in hospital, because they ran into a bunch of frat boys who thought they were gay. Most of them were actually straight, so they got a little small dose of the persecuted gay experience for one evening..
Only most of them? Sounds like those frat boys have a keen eye…
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One gay, three straight. Yeah, I guess they were your more discerning type of bigot.
(the others are serious but amateur endurance athletes, giving them pretty lean bodies, and one of them even had long hair and talked with an Irish accent. If that doesn’t make you gay, I don’t know what does. Other than, y’know, being romantically attracted to your same gender).
I’ve been threatened before as I get a slight lisp when I’m drunk (I used to have a lisp until speech therapy). Hell one time a guy came after me while I was with my gf of the time…
His line to her was actually “he why don’t you leave this faggot and come home with a real man. I’ll beat him up for you if you want, he’s just a queer anyways”. Needless to say my gf was not impressed.
One of my friends at school is gay and he was cornered in a washroom by two guys and they spouted off slurs and stuff at him and roughed him up a bit. It’s disgusting
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by happiergilmore on Jul 13, 2011 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions
“If I’m so gay why are you the one going home with dudes tonight?”
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one time outside a club I accidently bumped shoulders with a guy he called me a fag, I responded with “what if I am?” and he threatened to “straighten me out” then he shoved me before some how ending up ass over tea kettle under neath jim bob rays patio
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 13, 2011 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions
A LISP?
HE’S BRYAN MURRAY GET HIM BOYS
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by Chemmy on Jul 13, 2011 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
JUMPS ON HIM
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 13, 2011 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions
True story
PPP looks like all of those puppies mixed together in one adorably cuddly body
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Unfair. Good to hear the speech therapy helped
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by MapleLeafMole on Jul 13, 2011 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Blonde jokes are not a major societal problem that causehundreds of Canadian and American teens to kill themselves every year.
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in fact, the rate at which people have impersonated blonds with bleach and hair dye is actually complimentary in that you all want to be us!
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 13, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
If only I wasn’t born with this blonde hair. Goodbye cruel world.
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MY LUSCIOUS BLOND LOCKS ARE A CURSE!
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 13, 2011 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Being this beautiful comes with so much pressure…
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by puckurgently on Jul 13, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
The reason it doesn’t happen more often is Blondes just aren’t smart enough to tie the noose correctly…
/insentivejoke
by WizardofNaz on Jul 13, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I am unaware of any blondes who have been curb-stomped or committed suicide because of a blonde joke. I can’t say that it hasn’t happened, just that I am unaware of it.
Your point appears to be that there are lots of demographics groups that are ridiculed. That is entirely true. But so what?
This is a thread about a prominent media member (on the “home of the leafs”) apparently making a gay slur. That is very regrettable. The attempt here is to let the powers that be aware of the fact that that is unacceptable. In the hopes that it won’t happen again. So a few threads of the quilt of homophobia that covers much of our modern world and makes the lives of many gay people miserable might be somewhat undone.
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by pevans on Jul 13, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
If somebody on 640 had made a racial slur about one of the players I’m pretty sure the reaction on here would be the same.
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by T is for Truculence on Jul 13, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
What the fuck are you talking about?
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by PPP on Jul 13, 2011 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
we defend everyone’s sexuality equally, if someone who was gay was here being offensive (or attempting to be offensive) about me or one of my internet compatriots being a “breeder” I would respond in kind to someone using homosexuality in a negative connotation
just because one doesn’t happen doesn’t make the other ok
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 13, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
This
Is whats wrong with the mainstream media, there is a cultural homophobia in sports media that is unfair and ignorant. This is refreshing to see that PPP would stand for equality…This is true sports journalism by real people!
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If the comment “Cody Franson is more of a 3rd of July type of guy” legitimately hurts a gay persons feelings…then #firstworldpains … seriously. I’ve never been equated with a 6’5 NHL player.. the only reason its gay bashing is because of the tone YOU added to it. Is that comment an insult? If you consider that comment an insult than why aren’t YOU a Homophobe for personally equating the phrase “a july 3rd type of guy” with hate speech?. And I’m saying its hypocritical to criticize someone for making harmful comments and then publicly make harmful comments against them. We don’t want gay people to think that they’re stereotyped as “soft” hockey players, what has this world come to?
what the fuck?
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 13, 2011 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
When the comment is prefaced with he isn’t tough enough yes its gay bashing.
by WizardofNaz on Jul 13, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
the only reason its gay bashing is because of the tone YOU added to it
Nope.
by Self Destructive Zones on Jul 13, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m not sure i exactly understand your point
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I think his point is that with harangue we are actually being hateful to all people named Bill Watters who host radio shows on AM 640, not just the one how made the homophobic comment. Think of all the people being hurt by our unfair generalizations about all Bill Watters who host radio shows on AM 640. HYPOCRISY!
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by Back In Black on Jul 13, 2011 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
*this harangue. The one we’re doing now.
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by Back In Black on Jul 13, 2011 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions
So.
Watters sets up a certain profile as desirable, then cites sexuality to explain why someone falls short of it, and it’s the listener’s fault for hearing that as anti-gay? That’s your argument?
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by puckurgently on Jul 13, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
calling someone gay is not the insult. Implying someone is soft and weak and therefor inferior is.
implying that they are soft weak and inferior BECAUSE they are gay is both insulting and bigotry
the point of this article is not to call Wilbure a bigot it is to try and find out the truth of his statement, what did he mean? was he being homophobic? was it a slip of the tongue?
he is in a position of power and influence and should be held accountable for what comes out of his mouth, we are simply doing that. If it was an accident, or he meant something else then fair enough, shit happens. If he was being a bigot, then he needs to feel some repercussions for spouting such things on the air.
Personally I don’t give a shit if he hates gays or black people or Jewish people, but I do care that someone who has those beliefs is spreading them to the general public
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 13, 2011 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions 21 recs
I’d like to rec this five times, please.
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by Back In Black on Jul 13, 2011 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
You cannot be this dense and still know how to tie your shoes in the morning.
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by Bower Power on Jul 13, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey now… no personal attacks were trying to be accepting of everyone…
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by WizardofNaz on Jul 13, 2011 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
What about bost shoes? oh, well i guess these kind of have laces…
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by thenumber14 on Jul 13, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I explained in a comment below why being a “july 3rd” guy necessarily has an unknown connotation to it, and why the context of the issue makes it seem to be an anti-gay one. I really cannot believe that someone would imagine it to be an innocent turn of phrase, and still be able to tie their shoes in the morning.
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by Bower Power on Jul 13, 2011 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
The first part was a joke, I completely agree with you 100% that it seems like a anti-gay connotation.
by WizardofNaz on Jul 13, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, to me the problem is what other parade would he be referring to? We don’t have a parade for Wade Belak’s birthday, do we?
by Self Destructive Zones on Jul 13, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
We bloody well should.
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by puckurgently on Jul 13, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Circling the drain here bro
Crazy would be NOT overanalyzing everything.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 13, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Seriously, what the fuck are you talking about?
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by T is for Truculence on Jul 13, 2011 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
My Last Post On This Topic...
Just wanted to clarify (since some didn’t seem to understand the first time). And I’m posting as a new comment because I can’t reply to everyone who so kindly replied to my original post. I have my own beliefs and while they are strong, I will not tolerate someone who mistreats another individual regardless of what their orientation, race, gender, (insert any other protected class here). But I guess that’s where my opinions diverges from yours (what “mistreat” means). You see, I said up above that Watters comment was distasteful (and while yes this is no compliment to Franson) I fail to see how it was hateful. Hollywood makes and plays off these kind of stereotypes constantly. Have you ever seen “Longest Yard” with Adam Sandler (where the gay prisoners are the cheerleaders wearing hot pants and the likes), or Con-Air where the one gay guy is wearing a dress throughout the movie and Nik Cage slaps him instead of punching him?!?! I could go on, but my point is actually a question, how are Watters comments any different? I didn’t see any hockey blog protesting those movies. Laters!
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jul 13, 2011 11:57 AM EDT reply actions
Ah well if it’s OK to make homophobic jokes in an Adam Sandler movie, then who are we to disagree?
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by SkinnyFish on Jul 13, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
To lobby another criticism of Watters, he also completely ignores the hockey context in which the deal was made. There were a number of reasons Nashville moved Franson other than him being soft. Just more lazy uninformed bullshit to resort to suggesting he’s soft because he’s gay and that’s why Nashville didn’t want him anymore. Even worse that it was derogatory and completely unnecessary to achieve whatever point he was trying to make.
by Self Destructive Zones on Jul 13, 2011 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I can’t quote on mobile but you’re wondering why a HOCKEY blog doesn’t comment on NON-hockey movies.
I can’t think of a reason. Uhhhhh…..
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by furcifer on Jul 13, 2011 12:03 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The fact that institutional homophobia exists in the movies justifies homophobia elsewhere? That doesn’t really work.
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by T is for Truculence on Jul 13, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
oooohhhh…Good one. I like the wording of that answer best.
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by MapleLeafMole on Jul 13, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn’t see any hockey blog protesting those movies.
They are movies. This is a hockey blog. Watters’s words are in regards to a Toronto Maple Leaf player. The Toronto Maple Leafs are the central focus of this website.
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by MapleLeafMole on Jul 13, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Perhaps you can enlighten us about how The Longest Yard and Con Air are in any way related to hockey or the Maple Leafs’ organization?
Popular media also features songs about beating women, committing adultery, robbery, and murder. I guess we shouldn’t complain about those either.
I’m pretty sure the only person that is having trouble with comprehension is you.
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Ignoring for a second that Adam Sandler movies aren’t really culturally significant, lots of art is intended to capture the world around the artist and not necessarily to promote certain viewpoints. Just like “Money for Nothing” isn’t meant to be a homophobic song even though the main character utters a slur.
Add heavy metal and rap to the list of art forms that people love to criticize as promoting violence and other evils when in fact they’re merely documenting the state of the world. That’s why it really bothered me when Rihanna was attacked for her revenge song. She didn’t actually kill anyone but as a victim of abuse, I’m sure those kind of thoughts crossed her mind. How is it wrong for her to sing about them?
Rant over.
by stevesmith19 on Jul 13, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Different words and behaviour are permissible and accepted in different contexts. This is basic “being an adult” stuff here people.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 13, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, that was basically the point of my long-winded post (sorry again for the rant – you put it much more concisely). Comparing what’s seen in art (yes, I know, Adam Sandler…) to a radio pundit who some people take seriously is just wrong.
by stevesmith19 on Jul 13, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Wait you mean it is not okay to pee your pants or punch Bob Barker
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by Eterrible on Jul 13, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I’ve made a terrible mistake.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 13, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
if peeing your pants is cool, consider me Miles Davis.
by Nigel Cadbury on Jul 13, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Don’t forget. You can drop out of school and do it all over in 12 weeks.
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Well, how long does it really take to a get a GED?
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 13, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
And have sex with the amazingly hot teacher.
by stevesmith19 on Jul 13, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
that Veronica Vaughn.. me and her… GOT IT ON
by Nigel Cadbury on Jul 13, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
and also get beaten up by her.
Veronica, I thank you, for beating the shit out of me!!!
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Right
I agree but that’s a nuanced view that our friend is clearly unprepared to discuss so I wanted to keep things simple.
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The hell’s a nuance?
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 13, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, that wasn’t directed at you. I was more annoyed at his insistence that the ethics of movies and other art forms are equivalent to real life.
by stevesmith19 on Jul 13, 2011 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Specifically, this quote:
I could go on, but my point is actually a question, how are Watters comments any different?
by stevesmith19 on Jul 13, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Media stereotypes are just as hateful, and while Con-Air and The Longest Yard are terrible movies, they aren’t about hockey, the Leafs or anything remotely related, so they don’t get the same treatment here.
I also tend not to watch terrible movies so I hadn’t seen those instances.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 13, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
With these things it does matter who is telling them. Stigmatized groups will often joke about their own stigma as a means of coping with it, and often as a means to mock the stigma itself… When they get comfortable enough in their shoes, even just to subvert it as a source of amusement…
That is very very VERY different than people from other groups wielding stigmatizing stereotypes (whether they mean to or not) like a weapon. Context matters. You can slap yourself on the forehead when you make a mistake, and if you have a very good friend, you might be able to slap THEM on the forehead too as an injoke to make fun with them, but you don’t go around knowingly slapping an abused child on the forehead, even if you just mean it as a “haha kidding” thing.
Why would a hockey blog
protest a shitty Nic Cage movie made over a decade ago and a remake of a Burt Reynolds film that was also made ages ago.
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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 13, 2011 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions
also
is this how low homophobia has fallen on the defensibility scale? I mean in the grand scheme that means we’re making headway right?
If the only way you can defend this behaviour is to compare it to shitty comedies from over a decade ago… then maybe it’s only jackasses that are doing it these days?
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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 13, 2011 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Are we allowed to protest Face Off?
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by GreatKingRat on Jul 13, 2011 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions
it does promote rape by fraud, and the silly notion that anyone would undergo surgery to look like nic cage on purpose
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 13, 2011 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions
The title is quite the play on words though
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
I want to take his face…..off….
No more drugs for THAT MAN
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 13, 2011 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions
They’re facing off against each other…AND taking their faces off. Genius
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
What were the two leper hockey players doing in the corner of the rink?
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by happiergilmore on Jul 13, 2011 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Costing their goalie yet another goal-against / costing Dale Tallon an arm and a leg.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jul 13, 2011 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions
No. HAVING A FACE OFF.
HA
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Now the Leafs call me up to drive the Zamboni
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by happiergilmore on Jul 13, 2011 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions
How does changing faces cause Nic Cage to gain 4 inches and 30 pounds so that he still looks physically like John Travolta, and vice versa?
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lasers or something
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 13, 2011 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Bone implants, I think they said. Also, it was a Nic Cage movie.
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What, you don’t enjoy picking apart the plot holes in terrible movies?
Get stinking drunk and watch D2 sometime. Not one thing about that movie makes a lick of goddamn sense.
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the triple deke is the biggest crock of shit in the world, well after the flying V
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 13, 2011 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions
IF RUSSIA UPSET ICELAND, WHO KNOCKED RUSSIA OUT OF THE TOURNAMENT?
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didn’t canada lose to trinidad and tobego too?
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 13, 2011 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Jared, one of these days you and I are getting blinding drunk and writing a blogpost trying to decipher every result of that tournament.
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that would rule
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 13, 2011 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d have to get stinking drunk to watch D2.
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by GreatKingRat on Jul 13, 2011 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions
wow wait
Travolta has 4 inches on Cage?
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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 13, 2011 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions
imdb has cage at 6 even and travolta at 6’2
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 13, 2011 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions
according to this other site
Travolta is 6’ and 1/4 inch.
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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 13, 2011 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions
according to the internet
Cage is 6’ tall… does that mean Travolta is 6’4"?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 13, 2011 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions
and apparently
half the questions on this search engine are for famous people’s height… lol wtf?
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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 13, 2011 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions
First time I ever left a theatre before the end of the movie. Quite the accomplishment.
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by Back In Black on Jul 13, 2011 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Speed 2 is the only movie I’ve ever walked out of.
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by Draglikepull on Jul 13, 2011 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions
australia
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 13, 2011 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Family Guy isn’t funny and the entire point of Curb Your Enthusiasm / Slap Shot / Blazing Saddles is that the people disparaging minorities are stupid assholes.
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how can we make this character more unlikable? hmmm, lets make him a bigot!
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 13, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
hero
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 13, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Shock value humour and making implied homophobic slurs in all seriousness are not the same thing.
Plus, Family Guy hasn’t been funny in years.
Whether Family Guy is funny or not doesn’t have any bearing.
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by T is for Truculence on Jul 13, 2011 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Even then, the point of intolerant/hateful comments in FG is to make the person saying them look stupid and uneducated. Most people with half a brain get these basic subtleties.
It’s the same with Kids in the Hall years ago. Scott Thompson often made remarks about being a ‘faggot’, etc, but he was bringing these issues to light rather than disparaging his own people (a good example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxMrWSTlvgg)
There’s a difference between this and what Watters did. Even then, it doesn’t matter.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Jul 13, 2011 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
that’s the job of the FG/CYE SB Nation blog to get all over. Not this one.
It sounds like your point is that people make hateful jokes all the time, sometimes “in good fun”. Including, probably, people in this thread.
But that doesn’t negate what Watters has done (if indeed that’s what he meant)
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Wait a minute...
So we can’t voice our objection to intolerance until all intolerance is a thing of the past?
Or, is there a ranking that we should use that I’m not aware of? Ie, once racism is eliminated, we can move on to homophobia?
sorry but
What the fuck does that have to do with hockey?
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by furcifer on Jul 13, 2011 12:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
If you can’t see the distinction between Archie Bunker calling gays “pansies” and Bill Watters doing it, then you probably believe Stephen Colbert is a Republican.
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by Back In Black on Jul 13, 2011 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Glad they’re both about the Toronto Maple Leafs
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by MapleLeafMole on Jul 13, 2011 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
If “more of a 3rd of July type guy” was in all serious a hateful remark, and not intended to be witty.. than why did he phrase it like that? It is what it is. And this thread makes it more than that.
You are aware that people in this world are prone to not thinking before they speak, right?
by Self Destructive Zones on Jul 13, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
AM 640 personalities know exactly what they’re saying when they say it. That station is full of hate.
by stevesmith19 on Jul 13, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Don’t listen to 640. Just think its giving Watters too much credit to suggest him trying to be witty somehow takes away from the fact that it was A) unnecessary and B) offensive.
by Self Destructive Zones on Jul 13, 2011 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m sure he thought it was witty. That doesn’t stop it from being bigoted.
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by puckurgently on Jul 13, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
it’s certainly poorly worded.
Whether it was a gay slur, or some other insult, it’s not exactly trenchant analysis.
At best it’s some sort of mixed metaphor. But i suspect its a homophobic dig that an old man doesn’t mind and is probably hoping goes away.
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This is an attempt to play into all if the controversy of the parade this year with Mayor Ford and seemingly make a witty comment. It was wrong and unfair to possibly thousands of leafs fans who have an equal right to support the leafs and red up on them without being centered out and made to feel unwelcome.
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oh golly gee
I hadn’t realized how witty Ol’ Man Watters was. No siree bob.
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RTFA
We offered Watters several chances to explain what he meant, provide context, clarify any confusion, and/or apologize if this was a comment that he would like to retract. We have not heard back.
Let’s find out what Watters meant. Ask him. Call his show. Email him. Call and email 640 and find out whether Watters’ views reflect their own, and if not, what they are planning on doing about it. Tweet your friends and ask them what they think. Write to Glaad and Egale and the CRTC. Watters chose to ignore the two of us; let’s see what happens when hundreds of Leafs fans demand to know why he thinks it’s acceptable to equate gay with weak. The phone lines are open, Wilbur. We’re all ears.
This is not about “making something more than what it was”. This boils down to accountability in media. It was a comment, that, at best, was a poor choice of words, and at worst, was a homophobic slur equating being gay in a negative connotation with not being a physical hockey player. Bill Watters (and AM 640) were offered multiple chances by the authors to clarify the comments that were made. They’ve ignored these inquiries.
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by clrkaitken on Jul 13, 2011 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
QUIET YOU
We can’t question Watters.
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Demanding accountability from public media is a form of intolerance!
Demaning media be accountable for public bigotry and defamation is making mountains out of molehills!
I make these arguments because somebody in a position of authority has told me what to think! I don’t know how to think for myself!
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DERP
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“more of a 3rd of July type of guy” doesn’t mean anything independently. It’s a euphemism. The question is, “what is it a euphemism for?” In the context of “Why did Nashville ‘give up on’ Franson”, if Watters is suggesting it’s because he’s a soft, inferior hockey player, and that soft, inferior hockey players are those who would be in the gay pride parade, it’s a euphemism that hinges on the idea that gay players are inferior players. He may or may not have considered himself witty. But the point he was trying to get across, regardless of wit, was a stereotype, a slur, and something that the NHL, MLSE, especially Burke, has been trying to get out of the hockey fanbase. Watters’ comment isn’t about to be the foundation of a Klan rally, but that doesn’t mean it should be excused.
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by Bower Power on Jul 13, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions 9 recs
I wonder what Watters thinks of Burke being that he marched in that July 3rd parade as well. I’d be interested to know Burke’s take on this, anyone know if he’s aware of the comments?
by Nigel Cadbury on Jul 13, 2011 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I would like to heard Watters squirming explanation before we send it to Burke. I have a feeling this is something Burke could overreact about before knowing the whole story.
by WizardofNaz on Jul 13, 2011 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Can’t rec that enough.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 13, 2011 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
wtf
does his level of “wit” have to do with it? If I can come up with a creative way of implying someone is a criminal because of the colour of their skin does that make it acceptable?
Maybe we could just assume all people of middle eastern origin are terrorists? Perhaps we could call them all… “camel jockeys”… and then pretend nobody knows what part of the world you’re talking about is?
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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 13, 2011 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
May have been covered above.
CFMJ AM640 is owned by Corus Entertainment. You can reach Chris Pandoff, Vice President in Charge of Ontario Radio, his email address Chris.Pandoff@Corusent.com. Gord Harris is the Program Director at AM640, and his e-mail address is gharris@640toronto.com. Following the AM640 naming system, creative director Rob Johnston’s email should be rjohnston@640toronto.com and Watters’ internal email should be bwatters@640toronto.com, but I wasn’t able to confirm those last two. Please remember to remain civil, and include the radio callsign, AM640 CFMJ.
Sorry it took so long to post – stuck in meetings.
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by Bower Power on Jul 13, 2011 12:19 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Is Friday really Watters' last show??
TSM posted this:
I have been told by reliable sources that the very end is near for the Watters show. In fact, multiple sources are telling me that Friday will be the last of the Bill Watters show with Arlene Bynon taking over on Monday, moving from her current mid-day slot.
http://torontosportsmedia.com/sports-and-toronto/bill-watters-show/10949
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I’d guess this is more likely a summer hiatus as opposed to a permanent programming move.
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or they handled his comments
internally, gave him two weeks out of respect, to try and find work elsewhere (or whatever)
by bowling_kid25 on Jul 13, 2011 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Something tells me Ol’ Bill is just going off into the sunset.
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by thenumber14 on Jul 13, 2011 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
From TSM’s full post it looks like a permanent end to the show. Watters will still appear on CORUS but not have his own show anymore.
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It will be interesting to see if this is actually related to his recent comments, or something they’ve had planned for years.
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Even if it as about the comments 640 will never, ever ever admit to it. It introduces liability to the station. Look at what Sportsnet did with that reporter who agreed with the Reynolds agents. They canned him like a day after but said the move had nothing to do with what happened. Suuuuuure
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by T is for Truculence on Jul 13, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
If they won’t comment they admit that we are correct but can’t publicly admit it like you said. That is confirmation enough for most people…
As far as they’re concerned the public can assume what it wants, but as long as nobody there says anything nobody can do more than just accuse.
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by T is for Truculence on Jul 13, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Looks like we won.
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I’m imagining a conversation that went something like this:
“You better get out there and apologize Bill.”
“Nope.”
“You better clear the things out of your desk Bill.”
It was mentioned two nights ago, but you guys have apparently been making inquiries all week, so yeah …. you probably won.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jul 13, 2011 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I wish we had that power but Jim Hughson still has a job so…
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Dear Bill,
Hope you’re well and you’re enjoying your summer. I have a quick question. When you described Cody Franson on your show as a “3rd of July Parade guy”, right before saying he was soft… what did you mean by it?
I hope it wasn’t a slur, but I’d gladly hear your take.
With thanks,
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I hope you mean PPP the site and not PPP the person because Chemmy is executing anyone who supports PPP the person.
by WizardofNaz on Jul 13, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope this is like the French religious wars. We haven’t had anything that fun in a while.
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by Draglikepull on Jul 13, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
PPP is not a person. it is an entity. MLSE is just the human construct it uses to appear relatable to us mortals.
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A) reply fail and
B) I’m talking about the person who uses PPP as his screen name so whenever someone praises PPP the site he can believe its about him as he needs the ego stroking.
by WizardofNaz on Jul 13, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
a) i realize that. i’m comfortable with my digital illiteracy, thankyaverymuch.
b) i realize this, too. i just choose not to care.
c) how many box tops did you have to clip out to send away for your Comment Cop badge?
d) i’m joking. don’t freak out.
e) now i’m just prolonging a lame joke.
by Butterflies and Black Aces on Jul 13, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
c) how many box tops did you have to clip out to send away for your Comment Cop badge?
The badge is shipped on an aeroplane. It ain’t got time to take no fast train.
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by puckurgently on Jul 13, 2011 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
as designated comment cop (it was 138 btw) I’ll point out you forgot
F) You
by WizardofNaz on Jul 13, 2011 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
my shame, she is enormous.
by Butterflies and Black Aces on Jul 13, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Not really getting the hyper-sensitivity about the comments. Very, very mild. If he compared Franson to a woman, would people be offended? He was trying to call Franson feminine. Last I checked, a HUGE percentage of the gay population is feminine. Bill’s comments weren’t sensitive, no, but he was trying to belittle the player’s ability. Hockey is an adrenaline-surging sport. The image of a parade where people are dancing in a lovey atmosphere is a great contrast to what hockey is. He hosts a radio show and comments are mostly hot or cold; lively language is what sells. I am absolutely supportive of homosexuals and not a tad irritated at his comments.
Very, very mild. If he compared Franson to a woman, would people be offended?
Right. No one ever minds when someone plays the woman card to describe someone as lesser. No siree.
For what it’s worth, I regularly watch hockey while listening to a playlist rich in Journey, Abba, and Annie Lennox.
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by puckurgently on Jul 13, 2011 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Remember a couple years ago when Plekanec said “he was playing like a little girl” (I think it was Plekanec). The G&M ran articles on the whole bit, and a whole lot of people – in particular female hockey players – were offended.
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by MapleLeafMole on Jul 13, 2011 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
a HUGE percentage of the gay population is feminine
By this do you mean the guys being flamboyant?
Also just because someone is very flamboyant doesn’t make them soft or weak. I’ve seen some tough guys prancing around in tutu’s during the parade. Mostly because if I’m not mistaken the paraders are encouraged to be as flamboyant as possible during the parade.
by WizardofNaz on Jul 13, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Well that and the fact everyone’s probably a little liquored up and having fun.
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by CoolJ90 on Jul 13, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Isn’t a roughly equal HUGE percentage of the gay population also pretty butch? There are a lot of tough, tattooed gals in that parade too.
Yep… did you know that a HUGE population of people are going to have a similar defining character when you take a large enough sample size?
by WizardofNaz on Jul 13, 2011 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think my point was that there’s probably about as much masculinity and femininity on display in the Pride parade as in the Santa Claus parade. The distribution of it is just a little different.
I’d agree with this… if you assume normal distribution of genetic make up, for every effeminate guy who likes being girly there would be a masculine girl. In fact there would be a bit more masculine girls as there are more girls on the planet.
If he compared Franson to a woman, would people be offended?
Did you happen to watch the playoffs this year when Milbury compared the Sedins to Thelma and Louise? People were offended.
Last I checked, a HUGE percentage of the gay population is feminine.
What’s your definition of feminine? If we’re going on stereotypes here, than what’s feminine about men who are physically strong and in shape? Is that not your stereotypical athlete as well?
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Last I checked, a HUGE percentage of the gay population is feminine.
Can I ask: when was the last time you checked the femininity of the entire gay population and how is it you determined the percentage as “HUGE”?
I was being rather rhetorical in that comment because it is an empty statement for they probably didn’t “check” outside of whatever they were exposed to (media about gay pride and entertainment stereotypes) and huge is just being asinine. Hyperbole doesn’t not make the excuse that this line is completely erroneous to the discussion and a lame attempt to pass off “gay men are feminine” as a fact.
Here’s a counterpoint – I know very few women who act like a gay man. They are different.
Fun fact – I know a number of openly gay men, and if they didn’t tell you they were gay, you probably wouldn’t guess it.
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by Draglikepull on Jul 13, 2011 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Same. I know about 10 gay guys who are just like any “breeder” I know although I also know a couple of the really effeminate ones as well but I’ve met many more that are not effeminate at all.
Too bad more people don’t spend more time with people different than themselves… in time they come to realize that we aren’t all that different after all.
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by Screaming Will on Jul 13, 2011 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions
he was trying to belittle the player’s ability
By questioning his sexuality, that is the offensive part.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 13, 2011 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
If he compared Franson to a woman, would people be offended?
Compared him to a woman in what way? By suggesting that women are weak and that men who have “feminine” qualities are somehow inferior? Or that women themselves are inferior to men? I’d be quite offended.
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by Draglikepull on Jul 13, 2011 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Last I checked, a HUGE percentage of the gay population is feminine.
How did you check, btw? Was there a survey involved, or a review of current sociological research? Did you check the latest Census data for correlations between “I’m gay” and “I don’t like rough, physical sports”?
OR, did a bunch of people (like, say Bill Watters) tell you that a “huge percentage” of gays were soft and girly and so you came to believe it? ‘Cause that’s kind of why we’re upset with him.
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by Back In Black on Jul 13, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
like mentioned
hyperbole, lets not focus on that point…
by bowling_kid25 on Jul 13, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Using “huge” instead of a random number is clearly hyperbole. But claiming that an undefined majority of gay people are feminine (with negative connotations) is the problem.
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by T is for Truculence on Jul 13, 2011 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions
ok
but its pretty damn obvious he did not do a survey, hes just stating his perception. and like 5 other people have already commented on it.
I just feel its useless to be like “hahahahha what method did you use HMM?? ahah you are so stupid false accusations”
by bowling_kid25 on Jul 13, 2011 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
skinnyfish on the other hand
had a nice comeback
by bowling_kid25 on Jul 13, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I think it’s completely relevant. If Watters said “Albinos are more prone to sunburn” there is no unfair generalization being made. AutoKAD is claiming the same thing about calling gays soft.
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by Back In Black on Jul 13, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
what im trying to get at is...
asking him his method though is pointless. you already know there is not an answer, why ask it.
by bowling_kid25 on Jul 13, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh it’s hyperbole. So when you said “Last I checked,” you meant “I didn’t check at all,” and when you said “HUGE” you meant “an unknown portion.”
I’m not sure you know what hyperbole is.
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what are you even talking about
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by bowling_kid25 on Jul 13, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
it's pretty obvious what I'm talking about
Just had to reply somewhere. substitute “he” for “you” if you like.
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i really don't wanna get into this
but his "huge* comment could be thrown into every defintion of “hyperbole” out there. Thats exactly what it was. If you are looking for a fight, you aren’t getting it here.
by bowling_kid25 on Jul 13, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
There is hyperbole and then there is flat out lying to get the effect you want. See Fox News for examples.
If someone said a “HUGE” portion of America believed Obama isn’t actually from America that would be a lie because that implies a large majority of people.
yay lets do this
technically he can’t be lying because he has no proof, its his opinion, its wrong, but hes not lying.
OFC unless he actually thinks the opposite and just said it for shits and giggles then he is lying.
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by bowling_kid25 on Jul 13, 2011 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Or the CC!
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 13, 2011 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
and he could not be "wrong"
maybe there are more lesbians then gay males, i don’t have the numbers nor do i care what % it is. IT was just pet peeve of mine to ask him such a rehtorical question x amount of times over again. this is not what this is thread is about, and I Apologize for going so far off Topic.
by bowling_kid25 on Jul 13, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Last I checked, a HUGE percentage of the gay population is feminine.
Yeah. They’re called lesbians.
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by SkinnyFish on Jul 13, 2011 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions 14 recs
Gold Star!
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 13, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions
When was the last time you checked? What sort of procedure did you use? What was the sample size? What’s the margin of error? Inquiring minds want to know.
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by T is for Truculence on Jul 13, 2011 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
but the larger question is.. is it regressing to the means?
by Nigel Cadbury on Jul 13, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes it is.
Assume all men are masculine and all women are effeminate and that there are even numbers of men and women on the planet (I know there are more women but still)
Now if differing genetic makeup makes 10% of all men effeminate then the likely hood are the same amount of women would become masculine. Therefor anytime you have a shift for more or less effeminate men there will be a similar shift among women if you believe that genetic makeup influences this sort of thing. Therefore you should always have 50% of the population masculine and 50% effeminate.
That being said that is the basic of basic explanations about all of this…
You need to work on your stats nerdy thing
because that wasn’t very good I’m afraid. Genetics give about 10% of men really heavy beards. So that means 10% of women….
but he was trying to belittle the player’s ability
By referring to him as gay.
This type of thinking keeps gay athletes in the closet. It’s unfortunate.
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by MapleLeafMole on Jul 13, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
freedom of speech
the guy’s words speak for his character… he’s a insensitive prick. still, i’m an advocate freedom of speech…. oppress free speech and you’re on a slippppppery slope!
nitpick
canada has freedom of expression, not speech
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by bowling_kid25 on Jul 13, 2011 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
ya you want freedome of speech move back to America!
by Nigel Cadbury on Jul 13, 2011 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m a canuck living in the U.S., got a green card that I seriously need to get about renewing before it expires in a few months..
by Nigel Cadbury on Jul 13, 2011 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Right. Up here, no one can stop us from conveying whatever we want through facial expressions alone. It’s how Greg McKegg lets us know that he just farted and we can’t do anything about it.
by Peter Lynn on Jul 13, 2011 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I thought Greg McKegg’s facial expressions were communicating that he’s trying to do simple math in his head and really struggling.
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by puckurgently on Jul 13, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
we will never know because he doesn’t have the freedom of speech to tell us =(
by bowling_kid25 on Jul 13, 2011 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m an advocate of freedom of speech too – that’s why I don’t think the government should get involved in this. But if you’re going to publically express an opinion, you’re making that opinion fair game for criticism.
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by Draglikepull on Jul 13, 2011 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Glad to see you can’t read, thanks for chiming in.
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by Chemmy on Jul 13, 2011 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
HE CAN READ! HE CAN READ BETTER THAN ANYONE!!
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jul 13, 2011 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jul 13, 2011 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHAT HE MEANT
Jeeeeeezus. I just want Bill to clarify what he meant. No one is “oppressing” anyone here.
No one is saying he can’t say whatever the hell crawls into his head. The point is that he represents the rights holder for the Toronto Maple Leafs who have made a big effort to promote GLBT causes and we’re wondering if everyone involved condones Bill Watters’ comments.
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I agree, this is one of my pet peeves. “Why are you eating a hamburger? If you eat one hamburger, what’s to stop you from eating ALL THE HAMBURGERS?” That is basically what the slippery slope argument amounts to.
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by Draglikepull on Jul 13, 2011 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions
the ol jughead defense
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 13, 2011 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions
what’s to stop you from eating ALL THE HAMBURGERS
A heart attack?
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by Draglikepull on Jul 13, 2011 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions
kyle wellwood has already beaten you to it?
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 13, 2011 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions
lol “3rd of July” guys are so sensitive. Seriously someone call the WHAAAAAAAMBULANCE someone on the internet has been offended!
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by bowling_kid25 on Jul 13, 2011 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
hey look everyone ! a 5 year old!
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 13, 2011 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Banned
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by Chemmy on Jul 13, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions 21 recs
lulz
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 13, 2011 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Kudos on the Banned message. I always wonder what the banned people see before they’re banned.
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by thenumber14 on Jul 13, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Depends. Sometimes it’s just “You’re Fucking Out” if I watched Eastbound and Down recently.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 13, 2011 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
could we say
“listen up you beautiful bitch… I’m about to fuck you up with some truth right now…”
That’d work as a way of introducing a topic wouldn’t it?
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by Steve Burtch on Jul 14, 2011 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions
I would just thank people for their valuable input to the site
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by Wrap Around Curl on Jul 13, 2011 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Man, Alexis Bledel is so gorgeous. She should act in more things so that I can watch them.
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by Draglikepull on Jul 13, 2011 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed. Except for that gif, where she’s probably underage. Sin City though, she was excellent.
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by Bower Power on Jul 13, 2011 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions
We’re talking about unfunny bigots.
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Unfunny bigots.
Tracy Morgan unfunny, or Michael Richards unfunny?
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Tracy Morgan unfunny. Watters never said Franson seemed like the kind of guy to march in the Caribana parade.
I guess he’s not secretly black…
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by Back In Black on Jul 13, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Was it just a joke that someone made or did Rob Ford actually say he was going to be in the Caribana parade because it is culturally significant to making Toronto a better place?
I think he also said that he’d learned his lesson after getting his ass chewed out about not showing up for the Pride parade. Then he hastened to add, “I mean, I didn’t actually get my ass chewed out in the gay way.”
by Peter Lynn on Jul 13, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You can disagree with someone and not be a bigot. Not everyone sees things they way you do. Last I heard, there was still such a thing as free speech about. Right? Or is it only free speech for people who agree with you?
Reading comprehension rules.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 13, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m waiting for a “God made Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve”.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 13, 2011 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I really hope no one does that because it would really get me riled up and I know that religion is generally off-topic here.
by stevesmith19 on Jul 13, 2011 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
both perfectly legal in some states
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 13, 2011 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
OR 3 GOATS!!!!
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 13, 2011 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s the only moral way I think. You can’t marry one goat or three people, but three goats and you are on the awesome train to legal town, woo!
only if they are not the same sex as you
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 13, 2011 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions
You can already do that, it’s why they invented international waters.
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 13, 2011 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Funny story about goats. My mom is a police officer and back when she was on the road a guy in her unit got a call to a farm because someone was in their barn. When the officer got there he found someone had broken in and was doing something gross with a goat. When he radio’d in what he’d found he say “Someone’s been a baaaaaah’d boy”
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Is it even possible to disagree with someone’s sexuality? Wouldn’t that be like saying “I disagree with your brown hair?”
by stevesmith19 on Jul 13, 2011 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Fine. Shoe size then. My point is that “disagreeing” with sexuality is ridiculous.
by stevesmith19 on Jul 13, 2011 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s like disagreeing with an ice cream preference. Maybe you’re genetically disposed to like chocolate ice cream, maybe you just prefer the taste. Associating you with being a worse hockey player for being a fan of chocolate over vanilla? Stupid. I mean, the word stupid has been thrown around a lot in the last hundred years, but hat really is what it takes.
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So it’s clear you don’t understand what freedom of speech truly is. I suggest you take a civics class.
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That’d still be civics.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 13, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Just be glad that our society glamorizes stupidity rather than persecutes it or you’d be in mortal danger.
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by Draglikepull on Jul 13, 2011 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Is this also true in Canada?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 13, 2011 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions
In Canada, the Charter only guarantees rights such as freedom of expression, insofar as they do not violate any other charter rights. This is meant to protect the collective rights of the community, sometimes even ahead of individual rights.
So you might actually NOT have free speech to call someone “gay” in a derogatory fashion in Canada.
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For hate speech, this is the leading case: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R.v.Keegstra
Freedom of expression can’t be constrained by equality rights (s. 15), but if the constraint passes the Oakes test (s. 1) as a reasonable limit to freedom of expression, it stands.
In other words, you technically have that freedom, but if someone were to pass a law restricting that freedom within reasonable limits, they’d be well within their rights to do so.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Jul 13, 2011 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 13, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Blockquoted paragraph so why is it right to spend more time defending gays than anybody else who is the victim of an injustice?
First of all; It is not just about defending “gays” it is about defending people.
I was listening to the show (forgive me, I can’t read while driving and I am always starved for hockey info) with my son when this was on live and I was confused by Bill’s parade reference. Now my son is too young to understand bigotry and the reference that Bill made (or would seem to have made) but I hope that the radio and television stations that I listen to do not help (to whatever small degree) spread the notion that this type of bigotry is OK. Yes I will teach my son the right and wrongs of generalizations, stereotypes and bigotry but it is the small phrases and casual expectance that helps breed intolerance.
Just the other day my son, a Justin Bieber fan, came home and said that Bieber is gay. He is 4 and has no idea what this means but it seems he got this phrase from a classmate who heard it from his older brother and father! It is these little expressions and jokes that can become pervasive in our culture and breed acceptance to intolerance and I for one do not want to be a party to that.
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Good idea. I think if I don’t hear back from anyone I’ll e-mail MLSE next.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 13, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
First of all; It is not just about defending "gays" it is about defending people.
Much more of this. Rec’d.
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First of all; It is not just about defending "gays" it is about defending people.
This guy: he gets it.
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At what point do we start sending @ messages to various Leafs on Twitter asking them what they think Watters meant by his comments about their new teammate?
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 13, 2011 1:37 PM EDT reply actions
Best not to get them involved.
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by SkinnyFish on Jul 13, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
enter Chemmy
@JLupul what do you think Bill Watters meant with his comments about your new teammate?
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 13, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Ehh...
I’m not sure pro hockey players are a great source if you want to rile up opposition to homophobia.
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by puckurgently on Jul 13, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Except to a hockey player that’s a big insult… they probably won’t take kindly to someone calling their teammates “gay”.
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Right, but I doubt their lament would take the shape most people in this thread are hoping to spread around.
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by puckurgently on Jul 13, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Might throw Watters under the bus.
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Is Sean Avery on twitter?
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 13, 2011 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
You wouldn’t think so but see Avery, Sean
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by puckurgently on Jul 13, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
might want to consider tweeting it to @mapleleafs though
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 13, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Occam's Razor
Cody Franson is the kind of guy you get early in the summer, who is so good that you’re already planning your Stanley Cup Parade on July 3rd.
by camcharron on Jul 13, 2011 2:04 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
We went over it above but in the context it doesn’t work. Plus, we asked the producer and he heard it the same way and then when we asked for a clip to confirm they suddenly couldn’t find out and now they won’t return e-mails or calls.
Occam’s Razor…seems like we took it the right way.
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Oh, definitely
There’s no question at all about the context. Watters knew that he couldn’t say “Gay Parade” or anything else and side-stepped around it.
Well played.
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I realize that most Leaf fans and the Toronto media are completely insane, but I can’t get past what an awful way this was to welcome a 23-year old kid to a new team and a new city.
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I hope YouTube comes down to film this.
And tone deaf being that Burke is the GM and MARCHED IN THE PARADE IN HONOUR OF HIS DECEASED SON.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 13, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
At first, I was confused that anyone would try to put the Lebda trade in a negative light. Then I was confused that anyone would try to put Franson in a negative light. Then I was angry that someone would try to put Franson in a negative light by insinuating that he’s gay.
People like Bill Watters are exactly why Leafs fans want Phil Kessel to crosscheck more, which is legal.
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It looks like he’s trying to understand why Nashville’s giving away a guy with Franson’s skillset for the equivalent of the spare change Burke and Nonis found in the couch cushions. (In this analogy Slaney is a nickel and Lebda is a half-eaten Cheeto)
I think that’s the original train of thought.
How he got from “Why is Nashville giving away Franson?” to “He’s more of a July 3rd parade kind of guy” and not the pretty obvious “Nashville can’t afford to burn $7 million while Lombardi figures out if he can ever play again” is astounding.
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Two answer your question: one is a logical, reasoned proposition; the other is a ridiculous narrative that is sure to titillate the legion social conservatives listening to his station.
by stevesmith19 on Jul 13, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
As somebody said above, I think Watters was just trying to be clever, got a bit rambly, and said something he probably knew right after he knew he shouldn’t have. Unfortunately in radio there are no take-backsies and no edit button unless you’re on a tape delay, so here we are.
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by T is for Truculence on Jul 13, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Seems to me that if somebody likes homophones, they should be have the same rights as the guy who privately enjoys synonyms. [Personally, I draw the line at people who are into onomatopoeia. Goddamn perverts.]
And also, what if Bill Watters feeling free to rip those homo jokes is essential to creating the confident, winning atmosphere in Toronto necessary for the Leafs to win the Cup? Eh? We should probably run a PPP poll, right?
Which future would YOU choose:
A- All homo jokes are halted, Leafs miss the playoffs.
OR!!!!
B- Gay banter escalates, therefore…. LEAFS WIN THE CUP! THE LEAFS HAVE WON THE CUP! OHMYGOD, THE LEAFS WIN THE CUP!!!!
/whyareyoustillreadingthis?
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by not norm ullman on Jul 13, 2011 3:15 PM EDT reply actions
Pretty sure it is. At least, it sounds like it.
by Kohma on Jul 13, 2011 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions 12 recs
How does this not have more recs?
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by Draglikepull on Jul 13, 2011 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Someone that isn’t familiar with your commenting style is going to go nuts.
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Exxxxxxcellent.
I’ll have company.
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by not norm ullman on Jul 13, 2011 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Is that a facepalm for the fact that you forgot a title?
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everyone, tis a rule, allows people on slower systems to minimize the picture and make the thread run smoother
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 13, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
well people should stop running AOL and get better internets…
- title/picture combo noted *
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You title an image so that people can minimize the image if they’re at work or elsewhere.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 13, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
You use a title because it allows people in Columbus to minimize an image so it doesn’t slow down their computer or get them in trouble with their boss.
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I think that it is supposed to represent all those teenagers struggling with issues of sexuality who are bullied on a daily basis.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 13, 2011 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Why are there no sheets on the bed? Probably want to go buy some sheets. And a comforter.
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A bed with no sheets is like a team with Brett Lebda on it
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Because the bed owner had to wash the sheets after the mess he made all over them when he heard Lebda was gone? I can relate.
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I think we’re all missing the bigger opportunity here which is to phone Cody Franson up and tell him Bill Waters is calling him a soft hockey player.
Maybe he beats him to death? Or maybe he plays with a chip on his shoulder and helps the Leafs win a few playoff series?
Both?
Ya, both…
Oh that’s a good idea.
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Does anyone know if I just send him an email from the contact part of his website or is there a specific email I can send it to?
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by stevesmith19 on Jul 13, 2011 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I like the letter that Felix wrote, hopefully it triggers a response. Rumblings round the office have 640 getting out of sports altogether so Watters may be off the air sooner than later.
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well that would be a happy day for leafs fans, it would be bad business for 640
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The only reason 640 has the Leafs licence is because it had it back when it was an all-sports station. It does not fit into their current format at all, but probably accounts for 90% of their revenue.
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by T is for Truculence on Jul 13, 2011 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
the conract is coming to an end for broadcasts of games, and speculation is tsn radio could outbid 640 (who wouldn’t try to outbid ctv backed offers). with radio ad sales in the crapper across th board it seems inevitable
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so if they no longer had the contracts for games, would they lose all sports programming after that?
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I doubt they much want sports programming at the moment. I mean, does 1010 have sports? That’s who they’re really competing with.
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by T is for Truculence on Jul 13, 2011 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
No news, no talk, no information, for mindless chatter, we’re your station.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 13, 2011 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Sounds about right. When is the contract up anyways? Because I would be shocked if TSN radio or Sportsnet radio don’t outbid them…
I don’t think Watters needs to be pulled off air for this, though. I don’t think he necessarily needs to be punished in any way, or even to apologize. What he needs is to be forced to spell out and, more importantly, think through what he said to see why it’s hurtful and problematic. Maybe some honest self-examination would help purge this kind of casual homophobia from Watters’ behaviour in particular and, to a lesser degree, from sports culture.
I think he needs to explain on air what he meant, why he said it, and apologize for it.
by WizardofNaz on Jul 13, 2011 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
oh no I’m not saying he should be off the air for this…I just know he already had few fans around here so just putting minds to ease.
And if 640 drops the Leafs – No more Leafs Talk with Andy Frost.
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He could just move to whatever station the Leafs broadcast moves to. I mean I’m pretty sure Joe Bowen would move too.
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I don’t think he should be pulled off the air. People say or do dumb things sometimes and you shouldn’t lose your job every time you have a lapse in judgement (unless it’s a huge lapse in judgement). But I do think he should make it clear that as a broadcaster he holds himself to a higher standard than the one displayed with that quote, and that he knows it shouldn’t happen again.
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by Draglikepull on Jul 13, 2011 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I just
want to know what he meant. That is all. Just tell me what you meant, Wilbur.
Yeah
If he says “You know what? It was a bad joke” or “I swear I meant it this way” then fine. But if he’s like “Yeah, I said it and I mean it” then…I don’t listen to radio anyway.
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I think it’s important to point out that laws protecting freedom of speech and freedom of expression are different between Canada and the United States. In Canada, the Charter only guarantees rights such as freedom of expression, insofar as they do not violate any other charter rights. This is meant to protect the collective rights of the community, sometimes even ahead of individual rights. In the United States, the Constitution is much more focused on individual rights, and free speech is one of the most jealously defended of them all.
As a result, courts are much more open to restrictions on individual freedom of expression in Canada, especially if it offends some segment of the community, whereas in U.S. courts the rights of the individual are often placed ahead of others.
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by T is for Truculence on Jul 13, 2011 4:16 PM EDT reply actions
He is pretty famous at Western, the first place he went for legal counsel was UWO Law’s community legal services. Apparently they wanted him to come back to the school when they had a thing for the anniversary, but he declined because he didn’t want to be associated with his pot-smoking past (apparently respected businessman now).
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I can see that. That’s interesting though, did not know all that.
by Self Destructive Zones on Jul 13, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Hmm?
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by T is for Truculence on Jul 13, 2011 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Furthermore, neither of them extend to private employers. Watters has as much of a right to say those things on air (and some people do) as I do to try and get him fired for them.
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by happiergilmore on Jul 13, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
oh lord, that comment section is going to get ugly fast
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 13, 2011 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, especially with all the contractually required Canada bashing.
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canada, leafs, burke and homosexuality
the holy quartet of ignorant responses
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 13, 2011 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
good thing they didn’t temporarily remove the double down from the states
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by happiergilmore on Jul 13, 2011 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions
or they’d be flocking our border for them like canadians do for shopping
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by happiergilmore on Jul 13, 2011 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
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damnit. Link fail, and Ubiquitous beat me to it.
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by whyevenbother on Jul 13, 2011 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Always use preview before linking because its very finicky.
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first comment “where is the slur?”
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 13, 2011 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
The second comment asks what the parade was for.
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what the fuck? i am scared to death at the reading comprehension of the general public
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 13, 2011 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions
lol
news flash (and this DOES sound elitist) but the average north american reads at like the 3rd-5th grade level.
And our literacy rates are far below what the UN quotes in the human development index.. just saying.
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by Steve Burtch on Jul 13, 2011 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions
or Ontario.
we ain’t that great people… sorry.
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by Steve Burtch on Jul 13, 2011 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions
i blame television
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 13, 2011 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I blame
a lot of things… like pretending we don’t need to work on having people read… patting ourselves on the back all the fucking time… etc.
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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 13, 2011 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions
People always complain about how bad students are at writing, and while I can’t speak to the quality of writing out of the general population, when I was a TA a few years ago I used to grade 1st year papers, and I found that they were generally reasonably literate aside from a few people for whom English was likely not their first language.
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by Draglikepull on Jul 13, 2011 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions
the majority
of our population doesn’t go to university… so that might not be the best sample to draw on.
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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 13, 2011 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t remember the exact figure, but something like 50-60% of the population has some form of college or university education.
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by Draglikepull on Jul 13, 2011 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions
and I would argue
that a fair number of those aren’t reading or writing at a high level.
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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 13, 2011 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I mean
if we define literate as 5th grade level… that’s not something to be proud of.
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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 13, 2011 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions
and no
according to human resources and skills development Canada, as of 2002-04 only 39 perecent of Canadians had post secondary education, with 19 having attained a university degree, and 20 having attained a college diploma.
Basically University degrees are attained by less than 25% of the population in Canada.
That’s a lot less than 50-60%.
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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 13, 2011 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions
oh and
that is working age Canadians between 25 and 64… the rates are likely lower in the over 64 group, and the under 25… for obvious reasons.
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by Steve Burtch on Jul 13, 2011 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions
so I repeat
far less than half of the population is reading/writing at an advanced level.
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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 13, 2011 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d settle for reading at a passable level
and that isnt a grade 5 level
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 13, 2011 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions
according to the
hard and fast definition of “functionally literate” it was last I checked.
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by Steve Burtch on Jul 13, 2011 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions
most 5th graders
would NOT be understanding what we’re discussing in detail right now… let alone keeping up with this conversation.
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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 13, 2011 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions
im pretty sure the standard for functionally literate is very very low, like being able to order food without pointing to the picture and saying “I want that!”
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 13, 2011 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Think of it another way though. If you wanted to become “literate” in a 2nd language, being able to read and write in that language as good as a grade 5 who had that language as a first language would probable be enough.
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well yes, and for someone learning a 2nd language to get by on a vacation to italy or something, that is acceptable. for a mentally able person working with their first language it is not
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 13, 2011 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Literacy (I believe, please correct me if I am wrong), is all about written communication. ie reading and writing, not oral communication. Correct?
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correct.
so speaking isn’t really related.
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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 13, 2011 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions
The idea of “literacy” is the ability to read and write to a level that allows you to function in society. The grade 5 reading level achieves that.
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right
but we wouldn’t expect them to be able to break down the distinction between a socially accepted comical stereotype and outright bigotry on the internet…
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by Steve Burtch on Jul 13, 2011 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions
To be honest I didn’t see the start of this thread and was just popping in and draglikepull’s TA comment. My fault really.
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it's ok
just commenting on how some idiots on the NBC site read the article about the “July 3rd parade type of guy” and missed the whole section on what the parade was for.
Cue people can’t read so good discussion.
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by Steve Burtch on Jul 13, 2011 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I meant that they’ve attended university or college, not that they’ve graduated, which would be enough for me to teach them in a 1st year course. And I’m pretty sure the % of people who’ve attained some college or university education is above 50%.
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by Draglikepull on Jul 13, 2011 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions
so you're pretty sure
well that’d be harder to assess… I’m just going by the government website, rather than just you saying you’re “pretty sure”.
I acknowledge that if 11% drop out before they finish that’d be not that abnormal… except it wouldn’t be 11%… it’d be 1 out of every 4 University/College students.
Do you think 1 out of every 4 people that starts college or university fails to finish?
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by Steve Burtch on Jul 13, 2011 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m hoping it’s more. Please say it’s more.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jul 13, 2011 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions
wasn't it
“better” than anyone?
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by Steve Burtch on Jul 13, 2011 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions
he can better just as well as anyone? that makes no sense
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 13, 2011 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions
you make no sense!
you make almost as little sense as people from other countries that don’t speak english… non-english speaker!
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by Steve Burtch on Jul 13, 2011 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions
je ne pas parles anglais
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 13, 2011 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Je ne parle pas.
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by Draglikepull on Jul 13, 2011 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Though your version makes it very clear that you don’t.
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by Draglikepull on Jul 13, 2011 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Wait, that says anglais but for some reason I read it as francais.
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by Draglikepull on Jul 13, 2011 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Too much telefrancais around here these days
by Self Destructive Zones on Jul 13, 2011 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions
“Too much Telefrancais” is an unacceptable combination of words.
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by Draglikepull on Jul 13, 2011 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Haha, I apologize. I should know enough to watch what I say around these parts…
by Self Destructive Zones on Jul 13, 2011 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Right? It shows the quote and then THE FIRST SENTENCE AFTER TELLS YOU WHAT THE PARADE WAS FOR
Maybe we’re just spoiled with the average level of comprehension here.
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being able to read words
doesn’t mean people can assess them properly, structure sentences, etc… figure out wtf they’re looking at.
It’s amazing how many people can read a typical news article and not pull any useful info out of it.
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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 13, 2011 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I know
I couldn’t believe that either
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
Not hard to believe someone who’s been around a game where “macho-ness” is almost as important to the old white guys running the teams as actual skill would say something so dopey. And like others have said, he probably thinks he said nothing inappropriate, which makes it even sadder. Almost as shocking – that anyone would listen to Bill Watters talk about anything.
Good to the PPP-eople for pointing this out., and for everyone who took the time to actually email/write the powers that be.
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Would have been killer is we had given him the heads up about Wilbur.
As I said to Kim and Godd, the biggest surprise to me in all of this is the absolute and total silence from 640.
If it’s a mis-statement by Watters, get in front of it and clarify what he meant; if it’s as many have interpreted it, apologize.
So much for accountability in some sectors of the media.
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if there is any truth to the rumors of his show being cancelled this week, it wouldn’t surprise me if 640 swept it under the rug
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I hope YouTube comes down to film this.
what is “the frothy mix of lube and fecal…”…
nevermind.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 13, 2011 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
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by Chemmy on Jul 13, 2011 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
speaking of which… FLYERROB is surprisingly quiet on this issue…..
by Nigel Cadbury on Jul 13, 2011 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions
doooooon’t even..
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by happiergilmore on Jul 13, 2011 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Pokey the Bear says:
DON’T EVEN THINK ABOUT IT
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by happiergilmore on Jul 13, 2011 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions
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Gee .. Ya Think !
Maybe because .. NO matter what I say… I will get SLAMMED. So.. Id rather not say anything about my beliefs.. but I will say .. What Bill Watters said .. Was not the Forum or the Place for such comments … Let alone that they were out of line.
and thats the news and .. I am outta here !!!
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by FLYERROB on Jul 13, 2011 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
no one will mock your beliefs as long as you don’t make them an issue
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 13, 2011 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions
wow where did you pop out of to reply to this
I meant to say this yesterday to you…..
I thought I was responding to Nigel and you swooped in to deliver this message in mere seconds. You have a personal thing out for me don’t you ?
Its ok.
I know..
It is what it is.
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that was Dennis Millers line, Kevin Nealon’s was “that’s the news to me”
by Nigel Cadbury on Jul 13, 2011 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions
FTFY
Ohhh.. Thanks for Fixing that For Me. …..
Ohhh.. Thanks for Fixing that For Me. …..besides HBO’s Dennis Miller show and SNL .. everything else he does stinks like hot garbage.
Ohhh.. Thanks for Fixing that For Me. …..besides HBO’s Dennis Miller show and SNL .. everything else he does stinks like hot garbage.Kevin Nealon was only funny on SNL Weekend Update too.
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saw Nealon do stand up like 3 years ago, was pretty funny.
by Nigel Cadbury on Jul 13, 2011 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Shit, how can I forget to end my comment with that?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jul 13, 2011 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Guess What... I am still here !!!
and when we win the SCF … I will Party like this…
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by Chemmy on Jul 13, 2011 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
handing out a best commenter award for your own site to yourself
very nice, i expect nothing less
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 13, 2011 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Chemmy also only plays hockey with infants
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by happiergilmore on Jul 13, 2011 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions
When a war breaks out between two overlords, this is the kind of thing that results.
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by Draglikepull on Jul 13, 2011 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions
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by Wrap Around Curl on Jul 13, 2011 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions
That is one ginormous ass…
…picture
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by Chemmy on Jul 13, 2011 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I like that you kept the “end of the bill watters show?” in the crop.
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I’ve been following this all day on my mobile, had to rush on here as soon as I got home.
First of all, although not the most frequent commenter, I have to say I’m really proud to be part of community that will take a principled stand and draw attention to something like this. Above that, the even-handed nature of this post is incredible. Intention or not, the comment is off base and the silence on their end is deafening. I look forward to a day where there aren’t people rushing out to say that a comment like this “isn’t a big deal”.
As for the whole concept of equating soft play to being gay, it’s laughable how flawed that is. A few years back, when working in amateur sport, we organized a conference on minority groups in sport, and Mark Tewksbury was one of our main speakers. The story of his hardships was eye-opening, and I encourage anyone to go out of their way to listen to his story (I think he has a book out as well). The difficulties and barriers to homosexuals in sport, and the incredible amount of fortitude and dedication to fight through these, whether in our out of the closet, is about as far from soft as humanly possible.
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by BetterThanBester on Jul 13, 2011 5:01 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
The difficulties and barriers to homosexuals in sport, and the incredible amount of fortitude and dedication to fight through these, whether in our out of the closet, is about as far from soft as humanly possible.
So good.
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by MapleLeafMole on Jul 13, 2011 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions
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by Wrap Around Curl on Jul 13, 2011 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions
These gifs just keep getting better as I go down the page.
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by Bower Power on Jul 14, 2011 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions
MF37 came up with that one.
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So based on comments:
Watters believes that a guy who goes to the 3rd of July parade:
A) isn’t rugged, truculent, testosteronic(?)
B) enjoys the good life (whatever that means)
and thereby makes them “soft”, which in Watters’ view, makes a hockey player undesirable.
Based on what was said, any man who went to the pride parade (gay/straight/bi/two-spirt/trans) is “soft”. Which is plainly incorrect. I see the insult not just aimed at gay men, but any man who went/participated in a parade that showed the support and solidarity of a community. For that, Watters should fuck right off.
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Being free to say what you like doesn’t mean what you say is immune to criticism.
That’s the big shield for people with homophobic or racist beliefs. We can damn sure argue against comments like Watters’.
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by B-Style on Jul 13, 2011 5:22 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I think we need a really flamboyant variant of Leafsman who shows up after wins to celebrate. Probably best if he always showed up on a float. I’d make him a big guy, say, 6’ 5" – but with some offensive flair. A cape, maybe.
And the hair, the hair has to be well-styled. Perfect, in fact.
We could call him Wattersman.
($20 says we see him in next year’s Pride Parade.)
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by not norm ullman on Jul 13, 2011 6:00 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Leafs Blog
Can someone point me in the direction of the Leafs Blog? This appears to have changed into a “we’re worried about the comments of one stupid person who may or may not be homophobic” blog…..
let me get my popcorn out of the microwave and settle in before you all respond to this….
by Nigel Cadbury on Jul 13, 2011 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nope, now we’re worried about two….
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by not norm ullman on Jul 13, 2011 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions 13 recs
brilliant.
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jul 13, 2011 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Hi we’re talking about Cody Franson who plays for the Toronto Maple Leafs I don’t know if you’ve been around long enough to hear but minutes after Franson got traded to Toronto we had analysis of the deal up on the front page.
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funny, I thought there were hundreds of other articles on the page about the Leafs, guess this one article about someone at the “home of the Leafs” radio station is too far of course!
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 13, 2011 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Sure thing. You can head right over here and never come back. Please remember to take at least 3 different fake trades with you, at least 2 of which should give the Leafs Stamkos.
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by Bower Power on Jul 13, 2011 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
I’ll give him this one:
Kulemin and a 3rd for Stamkos and Hedman.
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Wow. That really is a rough trade.
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by not norm ullman on Jul 13, 2011 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
think we need to throw in 5th to even it out.
by Nigel Cadbury on Jul 13, 2011 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah maybe we shouldn’t send Kulemin.
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we should give them Komisarek to even out the salary instead
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 13, 2011 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions
That would be just like Burke to overpay for a player by just throwing away picks. Doesnt he know that you need to keep all your picks in order to get the best talent? He should at least get a 2nd round pick back as well.
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popcorn’s burnt and now the office smells.. much like this comment.
by Nigel Cadbury on Jul 13, 2011 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Can someone point me in the direction of the reply button? This appears to have changed into a “I want to comment on a solitary post that I never had to click on in the first place to put in my useless two cents, even though I’m one person who may or may not be missing the point and lacking in critical thinking ability” original comment.
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by BetterThanBester on Jul 13, 2011 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions
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by Wrap Around Curl on Jul 13, 2011 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I missed all this
But I just wanted to say good work and keep up the good fight. When I saw the rumours about the comment on twitter I was pretty shocked and appalled. Glad you guys stepped up with this.
Someone’s gotta ask the question, after all. /Cox’d
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rights v responsibilities
The Charter protects one’s right to an opinion, and to express said opinion. Ergo, Watters has every right to his point of view – as do those who disagree with him.
Where this gets interesting is in terms of what the station’s own code of conduct may be. Most private organizations – and especially broadcasters – have enforceable standards of their own to which employees must adhere, primarily to avoid the potential for legal challenges. An organization’s code of conduct/standards act/whatever you want to call it would override the Charter protections, as employees, by virtue of accepting the job, implicitly agree to abide by the rules of the organization (and in many cases must sign a physical agreement).
To me, the question is less about whether Watters has the right to a derogatory/inflammatory opinion (of course he does) and more about whether he has the right to express that opinion on-air. It would be interesting to find out exactly what 640’s internal code of conduct is for its broadcast personalities … I would imagine it to explicitly forbid the use of language or references which could be reasonably inferred as derogatory or offensive to any individual or segment of society.
The bottom line is: An opinion is something to which each of us has a right. But the responsibility of a broadcaster is quite another, and in most cases that responsibility does – and will – supercede the personal opinions of the individuals representing the organization.
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oops. long day.
- But the responsibility of a broadcaster is quite another matter, and in most cases that responsibility does – and will – supercede the personal opinions of the individuals representing the organization.
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by GarrettBauman on Jul 13, 2011 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions
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Dear Mr. Watters,
I’ve listened to your show many times, and generally enjoy AM640’s coverage of the Toronto Maple Leafs. I was, however, a little confused when you described recent Leafs acquisition as a "July 3rd Parade" kind of guy. I checked on google to see if this was a turn of phrase that was just going over my head, and it turns out that I’m not alone in my confusion, as an article discussing the phrase is also the top link returned by Google News:
(this picture, linked in full)
I couldn’t find any other references to parades on July 3rd besides the Toronto Gay Pride Parade, and was wondering if this is what you meant. Especially in the larger context of your phrase, I was wondering what connection Franson’s sexuality would have with his quality as a hockey player. As a media official covering Brian Burke and the Toronto Maple Leafs, I’m sure you would not be so misguided as to insinuate that homosexual hockey players are naturally inferior – both because such an insinuation would be bigoted and wrong (both morally and factually), and because it would almost certainly lead you to being dismissed by AM640 (or is the second link pictured above also accurate?).
I’m extremely interested on hearing your explanation of the comment, and hope that these insinuations are offbase. I couldn’t find a press release or station comment on the issue online – is there a link you could direct me to? I know that a couple other individuals online have tried to contact you and not received a response, so I’ve CC’d a couple of others affiliated with AM640, in the hopes that someone can bring this message to you. Thank you for your timely and measured response.
A listener,
[Redacted First] [Redacted last]
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by Bower Power on Jul 13, 2011 7:51 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Nice
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It’s great to finally know your name, Redacted FIrst Redacted Last. Now I shall stalk you!
by Goosemonster on Jul 13, 2011 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Well done...
…by Cox Bloc and the PPP community.
This post, and those of you who are emailing and tweeting your concern, are on the right side of history. Here’s my own little contribution:
It has come to my attention that Mr. Bill Watters made some remarks during the course of a July 4th broadcast on your station that appear to constitute a homophobic slur.
It is my understanding that writers from the website pensionplanpuppets.com have been attempting to elicit either a clarification of, or comment upon, Mr. Watters’ remarks for about a week now. No response has been received.
In an article on that website today (http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2011/7/13/2273411/pan-the-parade), it is suggested that “[w]hen we see what appears to be hatred and intolerance we can call it for what it is. We can let everyone know the free ride for casual bigotry and easy hate is over.” I believe that the moral truth of this statement is obvious, and the sentiment underpinning it to be admirable. I further believe that Mr. Watters and the management of your station ought to be prepared to be held accountable for things that are said on the air.
Like many others, I am prepared to withhold judgement on the matter until such time as your station and Mr. Watters have been given a reasonable opportunity to address the issue. If the statements in question were not intended to connote a derogatory reference to homosexuality, I look forward to Mr. Watters’ explanation as to what, precisely he meant to convey when suggesting that Cody Franson is a “3rd of July parade” guy. If, as is perhaps more likely the case, the statements in question were meant to convey precisely the meaning they appear to convey, I look forward to being advised of your station’s response to these comments.
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by jrwendelman on Jul 13, 2011 8:32 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
You know who is a '3rd of July parade' Guy? Go Eff yourself Watters
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jul 13, 2011 8:34 PM EDT reply actions 25 recs
Click, click
boom
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seems he is a "Too cheap to buy a new style jersey kind of guy " though
/kiddingpleasedon’thateme
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I have the exact same style of Jersey!
Although I am getting ready to buy a celebratory Schenn home jersey.
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jul 13, 2011 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m thinking he doesn’t want to replace the original one he wore last year.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 13, 2011 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions
that’s my thought, it probably is very sentimental to him
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 13, 2011 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions
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by Wrap Around Curl on Jul 13, 2011 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Blah!! I love this pic and it’s sentiment. But my buttery from popcorn fingers slipped and I flagged it. I did not mean to do this. Please don’t hate me. I take my flaging back!!!
Seriously
This photo is pretty much case in point, isn’t it?
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by Peter Raaymakers on Jul 13, 2011 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions
If we are discussing why that man is wearing a woman’s pyjama top, then yes. Yes it is.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jul 13, 2011 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions
No ones in the FTB so here goes...
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Blue Jackets’ Huselius out 4-6 months: http://tgam.ca/CfnI
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You can cue those Semin to #CBJ rumors in 3…2….1.
What do they even have that Washington would want…? (excluding Johansen, Nash, Wiz and Carter)
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you know who would fill Huselius’ spot real well?
Komisarek…shhhhhh, they might buy it!
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 13, 2011 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Big, strong, power-player.
They might
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by happiergilmore on Jul 13, 2011 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions
We’ll trade Komisarek and convince the NCAA to give OSU football a break, and we’ll take Johansen back.
by Self Destructive Zones on Jul 13, 2011 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions
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Columbus Blue Jackets’ Kristian Huselius out 4-6 months with torn chest – http://es.pn/owKaw4
Wtf..
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by happiergilmore on Jul 13, 2011 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions
he ripped
it open trying to prove how much he cares to his coaches?
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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 13, 2011 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions
the hugging competition ended in tragedy today as…
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 13, 2011 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
PPP > Huselius I guess
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by happiergilmore on Jul 13, 2011 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions
SO DOES YOUR FACE
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 13, 2011 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions
And…. his MOM’S face.
BOOM
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by happiergilmore on Jul 13, 2011 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think what he said...
…warrants all this hubbub. Was it hate speech? No. Was he stereotyping? Yes. Do humans stereotype? Yes. Stereotypes are generally a good thing that help up survive and manage all the data we process. Was it a stereotype that he grew up with and was raised to believe? Yes. Has it been a prevalent stereotype for the past few thousand years? Yes. Is the stereotype itself wrong? I have no data that would allow me to reach a conclusion. Was he wrong to say it on the radio? Yes. Stereotypes should not be aired over the radio. Should his boss pull him aside and ask him to be more careful? Yes. Should anything more serious result from it? No. Is a public apology or explanation required? No. It’s just not that important.
Is it worth it to spend all our time/resources on this hubbub? Only if we’re bored and have nothing better to talk about. :P Since this is the case, carry on.
you have no data
that would allow you to grasp that femininity and masculinity are independent of sexual preference? seriously?
You’ve never seen macho gay dudes? or effeminite lesbians?
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by Steve Burtch on Jul 13, 2011 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions
That would be anecdotal and not evidence of anything. I have no actual data that would allow me to reach a conclusion about the proposed phenomena. I don’t know why that upsets you. I have better things to do in my life than categorise people’s behaviour to see if certain people have a higher chance to fit a specific mould. Though I’m sure some clinicians somewhere have run studies on it. But hell if I could be bothered to search for them. I just don’t care enough. It doesn’t matter to me if and how gay people behave differently from non-gay people. They’re still people, and that’s all that matters (to me anyway).
There’s nothing wrong with admitting you don’t know something if you don’t actually know it.
There’s nothing wrong with admitting you don’t know something if you don’t actually know it.
Absolutely correct. So when people accuse homosexual tendencies lead to individuals being inferior hockey players – in effect doing exactly what you’re complaining about – it’s a negative stereotype based on little information, and we should therefore… not give a damn?
I don’t follow that last bit.
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Steve questioned Theodles, on Theodles saying he doesn’t know.
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I was tying it back to the following:
Is the stereotype itself wrong? I have no data that would allow me to reach a conclusion.
Theodles doesn’t need data to conclude the stereotype is wrong, as there’s no data to suggest that the stereotype is correct. The burden of proof is on the stereotype, not against it..
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We’re just being a little hard on a guy who is basically saying “I don’t know the truth because I feel I don’t have enough evidence”.
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by BCapp on Jul 13, 2011 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Typically when I’m being hard on someone, I don’t start a post with “absolutely correct.” Based on this reaction, though, I’m a little worried that the wall-of-text-effect is hurting the discussion.
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by Bower Power on Jul 13, 2011 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions
no
it’s an exception that disproves the stereotype… thus making it pointless… anecdotal evidence isn’t something to base a statistical discussion on, but this isn’t a statistical discussion.
The point is, you don’t have to be gay to be effeminate, or straight to be masculine. The two are not attached at the hip and to insinuate they are is just ridiculous in the face of evidence to the contrary.
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by Steve Burtch on Jul 13, 2011 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s not an exception that disproves the stereotype. Stereotypes are general rules of thumb, they’re not absolutes. If a stereotype were always correct, it wouldn’t be a stereotype.
Now maybe you’ve seen studies, so you can draw a conclusion about the whole issue. But I haven’t. So I shall refrain from doing so.
Here's the definition of stereotype
a set of inaccurate, simplistic generalizations about a group that allows others to categorize them and treat them accordingly
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 13, 2011 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Not sure a stereotype has to be inaccurate.
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by Bower Power on Jul 13, 2011 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions
most of the definitions
I’m finding describe it as such.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 13, 2011 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Here's another
A generalization, usually exaggerated or oversimplified and often offensive, that is used to describe or distinguish a group.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 13, 2011 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions
and another
a simplified and standardized conception or image invested with special meaning and held in common by members of a group: The cowboy and Indian are American stereotypes.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 13, 2011 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions
maybe not
inaccurate… but oversimplified definitely seems to be a common theme.
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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 13, 2011 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions
A stereotype can be defined as a collection of attributes or behaviour patterns, typically with a high value of recognition, which as a rule simplify the meant issue in a strong way(1).
right
ok so for the sake of simplicity you’re going to continue to believe gay men are effeminite until someone proves otherwise to you using statistical arguments?
Do you do that with all stereotypes? Like the one about asians being bad drivers or good at math? does that require stats to shake up in your mind? Perhaps all black people being criminals? let’s just say none of them are invalid since we aren’t going to “bother” looking for proof?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 13, 2011 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions
how about
WASP MALES are generally assholes that don’t see a reason to change their patterns of behaviour because until something bites them in the ass there’s no good reason to quit while they’re ahead?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 13, 2011 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
From what I read
He is going to continue not believing it one way or the other, ie he doesn’t know what is true, and frankly he doesn’t seem to care.
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this argument has frustrated me for years
people that don’t CARE don’t fucking participate… they don’t wade in and try to convince others to “calm down” or “stop”… they don’t give a shit.
People that argue against the general thread, because they “don’t care” and call for calm etc. usually disagree with what people are saying but don’t really want to come out and say it… now… all I have to go on here is anecdotal evidence… so I can’t be sure… but I still think that’s the case… so since I “don’t care”… I’m going to just keep thinking that.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 13, 2011 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm making a point
…
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 13, 2011 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions
to make a point you have to create a lot of friction
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 13, 2011 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions
or
just cut things really really finely.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 13, 2011 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions
People that argue against the general thread, because they "don’t care" and call for calm etc. usually disagree with what people are saying
You don’t know thats what Theodles was doing here.
From what I saw a common poster around here came in to make small comment (as many of us do when they get on the board the first time during a specific day). As far as anyone knows thats why he did it and he didn’t care all that much more. Just lay off the guy.
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Or lay off the girl, I am not sure why I assume Theodles was a guy, I apologize if I am wrong…
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probably
stereotyping, most people in hockey chat rooms are straight males… right?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 13, 2011 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I mean
that’s why we had someone assume nobody in here is homosexual… obviously.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 13, 2011 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions
hey I just said
usually… and I said it was based on anecdotal evidence… what’s to dispute?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 13, 2011 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions
What he’s doing is called concern trolling. And it worked. But we’ve mostly been amusing ourselves by flaming trolls on and off all day…
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by Back In Black on Jul 13, 2011 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions
A concern troll is a false flag pseudonym created by a user whose actual point of view is opposed to the one that the user claims to hold. The concern troll posts in Web forums devoted to its declared point of view and attempts to sway the group’s actions or opinions while claiming to share their goals, but with professed “concerns”.
I shall now revise my post:
I think what he said…
…warrants all this hubbub. Was it hate speech? Yes. Was he stereotyping? No. Do humans stereotype? No. Stereotypes are generally a bad thing that don’t help us survive and manage all the data we process. Was it a stereotype that he grew up with and was raised to believe? No. Has it been a prevalent stereotype for the past few thousand years? No. Is the stereotype itself wrong? I have no data that would allow me to reach a conclusion. Was he wrong to say it on the radio? No. Stereotypes should be aired over the radio. Should his boss pull him aside and ask him to be more careful? No. Should anything more serious result from it? Yes. Is a public apology or explanation required? Yes. It’s really important.
;)
I especially like...
…that either way, Steve would be mad at me ;)
ah
and thus the trolling… you “like” that I would be mad either way?
Reality is, some of what you said was reasonable… what I objected to was the idea that you basically excused the stereotype because you lacked data to disprove it.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 13, 2011 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions
It was a post hoc moment of enjoyment ;)
Anyway saying I don’t know the truth isn’t excusing the stereotype. It’s just a statement that I don’t know and can’t comment on the veracity of the stereotype one way or another. I’m not saying the stereotype is acceptable, nor am I saying it’s unacceptable.
I’m not a fan of this, “You’re either with us or against us.” mentality. ;)
meh
think it if you want… it’s still pretty obvious to me, as one that has interacted with many homosexuals that the two aren’t linked.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 13, 2011 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions
most definitions of stereotype
also include words like “generally offensive”, “exaggerated”, “oversimplified”… so yeah… I’d say it’s right about where we’re talking, and you’re arguing that you need evidence to “disprove” it like it’s some general rule is frankly kind of offensive.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 13, 2011 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions
using the
‘I don’t care about gays being masculine or feminine’ line is nice and all, but then you’re just missing the point.
You saying you don’t care about someone’s sexual preference is fine… but what in the hell does that have to do with someone questioning someone else’s toughness and then linking it to sexual preference? It was obviously intended as a slight and it was linked to someone’s sexuality… that’s ignorant, bigoted, and wrong.
The fact that YOU don’t care doesn’t mean nobody does… and thinking that it should just go away because YOU don’t care is sort of self serving.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 13, 2011 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions
The insinuation that gay hockey players are inferior hockey players is not a helpful stereotype. It’s not even an accurate stereotype. It’s a stereotype that continues to force talented players out of the game, and continues to alienate people for no reason.
I don’t care if he was bred to believe that stereotype – we are human beings, and we should be able to trump bigotry. Furthermore, you don’t need data to prove the stereotype is wrong, the person who professes it needs data to prove it’s right (there isn’t any), and the fact that it’s an old stereotype (certainly not thousands of years) doesn’t make it a good one.
It’s not something that should be marginalized. Tell any of these players that they’re worse hockey players because they’re “soft” (gay). Or tell this man that his son’s fears about coming out to his hockey team don’t deserve to be an issue, and that no one should care when someone marginalizes a human being based on sexual preference.
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by GreatKingRat on Jul 13, 2011 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions
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"I don’t know what it is about me that makes people think I want to hear their problems. Maybe I smile too much. Maybe I wear too much pink. But please remember, I can rip your throat out if I need to."
by Wrap Around Curl on Jul 13, 2011 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions
So I have to write
like 1000 words for my MLA article still and it’s due like tomorrow or Friday.
I should probably work on that.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
I've already written
1300… but yeah.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 13, 2011 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions
You could just write ten 100 word papers and staple them together to look like the comment section here.
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by happiergilmore on Jul 13, 2011 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
I'd like it to be a little bit more cohesive
I tend to edit and re-edit a lot also.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 13, 2011 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions
We know…
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by happiergilmore on Jul 13, 2011 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Just do it as 10 smaller articles, each one page after the other.
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Look up :)
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by happiergilmore on Jul 13, 2011 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t want to and you can’t make me.
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Imperio!
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by happiergilmore on Jul 13, 2011 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow.
Been away a while. Was on a trip. Come to my favorite site. I’m dismayed. At three things.
FIRST:
The man is old and I think this is an honest mistake and slip of the tongue (Darren Pang anyone? Or is he a racist now) the day after the pride parade. THE DAY AFTER. The July 3rd reference Simply not a July 1st type acquisition. Is he ACTUALLY going to go on Toronto radio, where he represents the “Home of the Leafs”, and purposely say something like what the majority of you are implying?? The same Leafs, who are his bread and butter, who’s GM’s gay son just tragically passed away after bravely coming out of the closet and bringing what is indeed (and I have to stress this, I have gay friends and I love them dearly, and they aren’t too upset) a very important discussion to the forefront, and say something like that on purpose because he’s anti-gay?? Jesus give someone the benefit of the doubt for crying out loud.
SECOND
This was over a week ago. Do you guys really think that Brian Burke wouldn’t have
a) heard about this by now?
b) gone and punched Watters in the face by now?
c) had him FIRED BY NOW???
I’ll give Mr. Burke the benefit of the doubt here and think that at least ONE of those things would have happened by now. 640’s and Wilbur’s silence on this matter mean absolutely nothing. Hey by all means, ask for an explanation, but I don’t think this gives anyone the right to label someone a bigot/hater/anti-gay like a lot of people here have just because he may feel embarrassed by the fact that he’s just not very good at broadcasting and doesn’t want to admin it!!!!
THIRD
How many people on here who are already labelling him an anti-gay person, are actually gay? Good thing the gay community have the straight community to fight their battles for them. I don’t see them climbing all over this so maybe we shouldn’t either.
I love this site, I love the Leafs and I love gay people. I don’t love Bill Watters, but I firmly believe he is not anti-gay.
the end. sorry. just my thoughts.
Cheer for another team? Never. Why? Cuz then the Leafs would win the cup.
The slip of the tongue thing just doesn’t work. I’m sorry, not in the context of the entire passage. What parade on what day of July would he have meant instead? Did he mean the third of June? The third of January? Does being signed after July 1st make Brad Richards less of a worthy free agent signing?
by Self Destructive Zones on Jul 13, 2011 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Honestly I would have accepted it if thats how he explained himself when asked about his comments. But its too late now. Its his silence to questioning that damned him in my eyes.
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also someone posted something up there earlier that friday is potentially waters last day on the show, so dun dun dun?
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 13, 2011 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I would have called it bullshit myself.
by Self Destructive Zones on Jul 13, 2011 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions
It's like a trifecta of ridiculous arguments
FIRST: You really think it’s a slip up between the word “parade” and “acquisition”? A slip up that he wouldn’t have tried to correct live? If that’s the case, what does being “soft” have to do with the difference between a “July 1st” and “July 3rd” acquisition? You should read through the thread, as it’s been discussed, and that possibility is quite unlikely.
SECOND: Yes, I really think Burke would rather keep his nose clean than assault a man, or use his leverage to get him fired.
THIRD: I didn’t realize you needed to be part of a minority to oppose bigotry. I don’t look to a specific subset of people for my queues about when to care about an issue, and I don’t think a homosexual has any additional insight into this issue that would make me think “oh, it’s not a comment rooted in a needless negative stereotype.”
I don’t think Watters has some secret, scandalous, anti-gay side. I think he leaned on a negative stereotype that exists in hockey – that players who don’t hit much are soft, not as good at hockey, and are also homosexual – and in doing so helped to pervade an attitude that needs to be eliminated from the game, as it’s pushing fans and players away from the sport that we love. I don’t really care if Watters gets fired for this or not – I’m not even sure he should be fired for it (compounded with the fact that he’s not a good analyst? I could go for that) – but it needs to be addressed that anti-gay stereotypes and slurs have no place in hockey.
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are you honestly saying
that we can’t fight battles on behalf of gay people? wtf man.
It’s not like homosexuals get UPSET when people argue against this kind of shit… do you actually interact with homosexuals or are you just trying to get people to simmer down?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 13, 2011 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m sure my friend from high school is just so upset that I involved myself in making a safer environment for him and others, against both people who harassed him and those who turned a blind eye because they wern’t the victem. I guess I should call him and apologise for being not gay and getting involved.
yeah
maybe he wanted to stand up for himself… like all the other kids I deal with at school who have been bullied, harassed, beaten up, etc. just because they aren’t straight (or perceived to be straight enough).
Frankly this shit is sickening, and defending the right of others to belittle and attack a fairly large segment of the population because you “don’t care” is fucking ridiculous.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 13, 2011 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions
cats do, and they watch us with contempt
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 13, 2011 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Smug assholes
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
mine arn’t really evil, unless you count taking the foulest smelling shits in the middle of the night so the summer heat bakes in the smell and makes the house smell like a litter box in the morning. Oh, wait
I dunno
I see a smirk occasionally…
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 13, 2011 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions
usually when we falter
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 13, 2011 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions
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"I don’t know what it is about me that makes people think I want to hear their problems. Maybe I smile too much. Maybe I wear too much pink. But please remember, I can rip your throat out if I need to."
by Wrap Around Curl on Jul 13, 2011 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came
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by Draglikepull on Jul 13, 2011 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Amazing how frequently that poem is worth referencing, given that you’d figure everyone on Earth would know it by now.
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by Draglikepull on Jul 13, 2011 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Nope.
Not saying that at all (your first question). Your reaction to my comment is a bit over the top, much like this discussion. Just saying that the Gay and Lesbian community would have much more experience and context in equating this to gay-hate, and I don’t see that happening. The unfortunate part now is that I’ll be labelled anti-gay myself for trying to give someone the benefit of the doubt.
Cheer for another team? Never. Why? Cuz then the Leafs would win the cup.
The gay and lesbian community
have a lot of bigger issues on their plate right now, like the Ford administration talking about slashing funding for the pride parade… they might be more worried about that than an idiotic comment by Bill Watters.
Fact is, to THEM it probably isn’t something all that different than what they’re used to… that doesn’t mean it doesn’t warrant attention.
Why give someone the benefit of the doubt when they’ve had ample opportunity to voice what they actually meant or intended? He didn’t take the opportunity which is an indictment in and of itself.
If you make a mistake and someone offers you a chance to explain it, do you tend to completely ignore them? Do you just bank on everyone giving you the benefit of the doubt?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 13, 2011 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions
you make a ton of assumption here
first you assume no one here posting on this matter is gay and isnt outraged for that reason\
then you assume that we are going to label you anti-gay instead of having what we believe might be a misguided opinion
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 13, 2011 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions
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"I don’t know what it is about me that makes people think I want to hear their problems. Maybe I smile too much. Maybe I wear too much pink. But please remember, I can rip your throat out if I need to."
by Wrap Around Curl on Jul 13, 2011 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I enjoy
The all gif communication
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
Just because some people on here don’t have “IM GAY!” on their signature or their posts doesn’t mean that some of the people posting on this topic aren’t gay. If you want an outing of one that is and that is actually pissed about the Watters situation then fine, you have one. Me. Personally it makes me unbelievably proud to see this kind of public stance against any kind of hatred on a hockey community. I may not post here very very often, but often times this community makes my day. You don’t have to be gay to be outraged against a comment made against gay people, and the fact that the majority of people on here are taking this public stance says something about their character.
Sorry about this long winded post, and thank you all for making this a place where I and a lot others feel welcome
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by Killer Sundin on Jul 13, 2011 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
Everyone is welcome here.
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by blindfolded tank driver on Jul 13, 2011 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Very well written and I hope more people take the same stand as you. And you are most certainly welcome here. We are all here for one reason only. We love the Leafs and hockey in general and talking to other Leafs fans makes our days go by easier. Nothing else matters nor should it in anything we do in our lives.
by WizardofNaz on Jul 13, 2011 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Well thank you, I was planning on writing a piece about what it actually means to be a gay Leafs fan and all the facets that come with it, but I didn’t think it would really be too relevant on PPP. Anyways its very nice to see so many good people here
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by Killer Sundin on Jul 13, 2011 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions
And me. It’s always nice to see me, too.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jul 13, 2011 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Not knocking this place for making you feel welcome. I happen to know gays who don’t like straight people to stand up for them as they feel it demeans them. Is that a problem?
I’d like to know where the Gay and Lesbian support groups are condemning these comments? I have to say, if I was you, I’d want to know. If these comments really are what most here think they are, why no bigger attention?? If Bill Watters and the honchos at 640 (who really should be fielding attention) don’t want to answer two emails from bloggers asking for clarification, i cannot equate that to guilt. If the Toronto Sun comes asking, or the Star, or CityTV, or CBC, or TSN, or NAME THE MEDIA OUTLET HERE and still don’t clarify, then I will label the man a homophobe.
http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Hockey/NHL/Toronto/2011/07/14/18417151-qmi.html
Looks like we’ll get our wish. Bravo to CoxBloc for bringing this up, now we’ll get some answers, which is all I really wanted in the first place before flying off the handle.
Cheer for another team? Never. Why? Cuz then the Leafs would win the cup.
The media ignores lots of stories. Doesn’t make them any less worthwhile. Sometimes it makes them more worthwhile.
As for wanting answers, as you might have noticed, that’s all the post is asking for after a week of calling and e-mailing Bill and his producer to clarify.
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I have to say, if I was you, I’d want to know. If these comments really are what most here think they are, why no bigger attention??
They are probably busy with bigger things than a Leafs’ radio personality. Luckily, we aren’t.
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HOLY SHIT! ITS YOU!
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"I don’t know what it is about me that makes people think I want to hear their problems. Maybe I smile too much. Maybe I wear too much pink. But please remember, I can rip your throat out if I need to."
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its WAC!
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My President is like SUPER MAN !!!
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"I don’t know what it is about me that makes people think I want to hear their problems. Maybe I smile too much. Maybe I wear too much pink. But please remember, I can rip your throat out if I need to."
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"I don’t know what it is about me that makes people think I want to hear their problems. Maybe I smile too much. Maybe I wear too much pink. But please remember, I can rip your throat out if I need to."
by Wrap Around Curl on Jul 13, 2011 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions
no thats a kitten .. not a bitch.. this is a Bitch
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see, no, that is a male dog, a bitch is a female dog
only male dogs lift their legs to pee
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 13, 2011 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions
To be fair to Robert, I think he meant that the one lying down and letting the male piss on her is the bitch.
Don’t get me wrong. I’m not saying that the bigger dog is indeed a female, but to me it just doesn’t seem like a rugged, truculent, testosteronic dog …. more like an 8th of March Parade type of dog.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jul 13, 2011 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions
what if that’s bear grillis’ dog?
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 13, 2011 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Not familiar with Bear’s work, but love the name. Almost as testosteronic as former Binghamton hopeful, Bear Trapp.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jul 13, 2011 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions
this guy
from man vs wild
he likes to drink pee on his show, thus the joke
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 13, 2011 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Now it all makes sense. I was scouring his wiki page for any signs of a canine co-star, when I should have been focusing on the urine.
BTW, that dude would probably be even sexier if not for the obvious overdose* of testosterone that invariably results in Male Pattern Cameltoe Chin.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jul 13, 2011 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I busted out laughing at that one.
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by GreatKingRat on Jul 13, 2011 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions
He himself is also a joke. Or so I’ve heard… Les Stroud is apparently much more legit in what he does. I heard stories that Bear would often throw temper tantrums while filming his show and force his camera crew etc to do things for him. Les apparently does all his own camera work and is truly alone out there.
by WizardofNaz on Jul 13, 2011 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions
yup, Gryllis has some legit street cred from his past though, ex SAS, climbed mount Everest, insane sky diving stuff
but he is a princess with a full support team on his survival show
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 13, 2011 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Youngest ever to climb Everest.
/recentlywik-educated
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jul 13, 2011 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions
youngest Brit*, at least.
Take that Hilary!
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jul 13, 2011 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh I don’t doubt he actually knows what he’s doing and could do it alone and legit if he wanted to, and has done so in the past but his show is pretty staged. Whenever he mentions how he hasn’t eaten in a couple days its BS because they have a crew of like 15 and choppers and everything.
by WizardofNaz on Jul 13, 2011 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions
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Or at least their Names..
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by Wrap Around Curl on Jul 13, 2011 10:58 PM EDT reply actions
You’re right, assuming that’s what he meant (which seems a safe assumption), it’s totally unacceptable and a real shame considering the progress that the Leafs have made in confronting homophobia. I hope this isn’t something that becomes more common in Ford Nation, now that the mayor has led the way in demonstrating a lack of respect and acceptance for the queer community.
But let’s call a spade a spade: I don’t think it’s an anti-gay slur, but rather a homophobic prejudice. Not that that makes it any more acceptable (are there degrees of unacceptability? Unacceptable is unacceptable, isn’t it?), but I think it’s important to identify it as what it is.
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by Peter Raaymakers on Jul 13, 2011 11:18 PM EDT reply actions
this thread = my brain bone hurts
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by Future_considerations on Jul 13, 2011 11:36 PM EDT reply actions
I wasn't sure that I wanted to post this
Mr. Watters,
This email is to address the statements made on your show on July 4th. I’m sure that I do not need to repeat them to you. My concern (and the concern of many others) is that these comments seem to be homophobic in nature. I know that it is possible that you did not intend them to be this way and that this may be a huge coincidence. That being said, as both a die hard Maple Leafs fan and a Bi-Sexual man I would appreciate (at the very least) a clarification of what it is you meant by the comments on your July 4th show. I’m sure you can understand why it would be a concern for an individual who represents the primary rights holder for the Maple Leafs to be inciting prejudice against gay, lesbian, bi and trans individuals. Especially when it is considerably hard already for individuals of this community to openly participate in the world of sport, whether as a fan or player. Thank you very much for taking the time to read this and respond with a statement of your intentions.
With sincerity and hopefulness
Zachary Young
Go Leafs Go!....and if not than at least we don't have Lebda
by Zak Young on Jul 14, 2011 12:00 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
well thought out
and welcome… as hard as it obviously is to publish some of this stuff, I do think it makes a difference if more and more people indicate what we as the leaf loving public expect, and why.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 14, 2011 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions
thanks for the welcome! long time lurker lol
Go Leafs Go!....and if not than at least we don't have Lebda
long time lurker
first time commenter… etc.
The more the merrier in this place… great to have a diversity of opinion as long as it’s reasonably well thought out and presented rationally… your e-mail seems to hit the nail on the head quite well.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 14, 2011 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m not sure why I haven’t started commenting yet. Just shy i guess. things move so fast on here!
Go Leafs Go!....and if not than at least we don't have Lebda
I'm like
50% of the problem with that… I tend to write endless threads of comments that reply to my own replies… if you can adjust to that you should be able to handle it fine.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 14, 2011 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Very well written, Zak. Good luck with a response.
Either you have an enviable memory, or a pitiable life, to know nothing of regret.
- Sten, of the Qunari
by GreatKingRat on Jul 14, 2011 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't believe that...
that bill Waters is a hateful man and wishes ill on gay people. Nor do I believe that Bill Waters honestly thinks that ones sexual orientation is an indicator of one’s toughness. I do believe that Waters is pushing 70 and comes from a time when using deragatory terms for gay people was acceptable (weather meant in jest or meant to be purposefully hurtful). Waters absolutely should not have made the comment he made (even if it was in a joking manner) if he was indeed making the implication we think he was. I’m glad PPP has made note of it and that we can discuss it. I do, however, think it’s getting a tad overblown and some of the comments do come off as somewhat self righteous. Bottom line, dum thing for Watters to have said, especially considering The Leafs stance on tolerance and equality. but I also don’t think Waters is the antichrist.
wrong
he is so totally obviously the anti-christ.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 14, 2011 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Then what is Lebda….?
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by not norm ullman on Jul 14, 2011 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions
well
there are going to be 3 anti-christs aren’t there? he can be #2.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 14, 2011 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions
actually, i often referred to lebda as “christ”
as in..
“:christ! what are you doing?”
or
“Christ, get up!”
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by Future_considerations on Jul 14, 2011 1:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Lebda is too ‘Meh’ to be the anti-Christ
Go Leafs Go!....and if not than at least we don't have Lebda
you obviously weren't lurking
when the whole Lebda is the root of all evil thing was discussed in here last season (I was his lone defender for most of the year)… although that was largely on the basis of his atrocious luck.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 14, 2011 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions
I guess
he did go -3 in a 9 goal leafs win…that’s pretty anti-christy
Go Leafs Go!....and if not than at least we don't have Lebda
yes
9-3 = 6…
his number = 23… 2×3 = 6
his average ice time last year = 13:20… 1+3+2+0 = 6
this can go on.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 14, 2011 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
When the lights hit him in the right way, you can see the 666 on his scalp right through that thinning comb-over.
Either you have an enviable memory, or a pitiable life, to know nothing of regret.
- Sten, of the Qunari
by GreatKingRat on Jul 14, 2011 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions
What I Learned Today
As a teacher I always appreciate learning opportunities.
Today I found out about the following:
1. Pointing out others’ intolerance makes me intolerant. Damn. Wish someone had told that to Gandhi and MLK.
2. Thinking a group is unequal to you does not make you a bigot. Take that Ginger Newfies!
3.Freedom of speech includes the freedom not to be criticized. Guess I forgot that part of the Charter.
4.All sterotypes are accurate for all members of the group at all times. Sorry, I’d write more but it’s my shift at 7-11.
Later folks or Thank you come again.
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by furcifer on Jul 14, 2011 12:35 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 2 recs
Watters' comment
was homophobic and there was too much discussion in this thread about whether it was or not.
It’s noble what the Cox Bloc guys are doing here…. but say Cody Franson were gay. What is a thousand times more hurtful, discomforting and reinforcing of the barrier a homosexual man in the hockey world faces is the player “chirping,” the comments that are tossed back and forth multiple times every single game. Comments that make Watters’ pale in comparison.
As a media personality it’s somewhat offensive to me that Watters thinks he can just say something like this on radio, the Home of the Leafs… but I think how casually a veteran of this sport spouted off the remark speaks to something. There is such a long way to go and it’s not the words of some old man on the radio these players never listen to that is going to change that.
by Maple Leafs HotStove on Jul 14, 2011 2:15 AM EDT reply actions
Our Society
I think this whole situation represents how as a society we’re slowing making progress on our attitudes and treatment of homosexuals. Sure, Watters and other prominent figures may say stupid things about gays, but now there’s at least a vocal majority who let them know what they said was stupid and unacceptable.
by Five Minutes For Fighting on Jul 14, 2011 9:24 AM EDT reply actions
Response from AM640 email chain starts at bottom.
Mr. Harris,
In the context of the topic being discussed at the time, I fail to see how your, or his, explanation makes much sense.
Aidan M.
Sent from my iPhone
Mr. McClean,
Thank you for contacting me and expressing your concern about something you heard (or heard or read about) on AM640.
Bill Watters tried to clarify his remark with the phrase "he likes to enjoy the good life" – meaning he likes to have a good time or, in popular vernacular, "to party".
While some may have interpreted his words to be a reference to sexual orientation or stereotype, that was not the intent.
It was perhaps, an unfortunate reference to ‘celebration’, and we regret the fact some have read more meaning into it than there was.
Sincerely,
Gord
Gord Harris,
Senior Program Director
Corus Radio
From: aidanmcclean@rogers.com [mailto:aidanmcclean@rogers.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 1:59 PM
To: Gord Harris
Subject: Via Web: CFMJAM
Mr. Harris,
I’m looking for clarification on Mr. Watters’ comments re. franson being “more of a 3rd of July parade guy” It would seem to me that it was a derogatory comment against homosexuals. Does this view reflect that of AM640?
by Aidan McClean on Jul 14, 2011 9:49 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
We got the same canned response! Twins!!!
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 14, 2011 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions
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