This ain't over yet
by birky on Jul 2, 2011 7:00 AM EDT
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PrintAt some point later today, we should know how much money Brad Richards will be making as a New York Ranger. Good on the Leafs for staying out of their "draft" this summer.
Saturday links:
The G&M updates on free agency for Toronto
Rangers have the inside track on Brad Richards
Yep, I called it
Steve Simmons remains an idiot
Hockey Wilderness responds. A must read
Burke absence controversy overblown
VLM agrees with just about everybody
Leafs should offer sheet somebody or something like that. Oh, and the Oilers remain dumb
MC79hockey with a new post
Florida thinking "inside the box"
Ouch. Arctic Ice has the scoop
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It's down to the wire on Richards, but it sounds like he's going to decide today
Says he’s still picking between 3-4 teams.
At least he’s not planning on dragging it out all summer.
Assuming he goes elsewhere… $10M of cap space (after assumed RFA signings), not a lot of positions to fill. Best use of cap space for the 2011-2012 season?
Crazy would be NOT overanalyzing everything.
Is to keep it and blow it on Zach Parise next summer.
Huzzah!
No. Not even in the face of Armageddon. Never compromise.
by article1 on Jul 2, 2011 8:37 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
If NJD can’t work out a long term deal with Zach and it does end up going to arb with a 1 year contract…. wow.
Crazy would be NOT overanalyzing everything.
The feeding frenzy would make the speculation about Richards look like the birthday party for a three year old. It’d be insane.
No. Not even in the face of Armageddon. Never compromise.
by article1 on Jul 2, 2011 9:06 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
And Tavares is up for renog next summer… maybe a similar to Stamkos situation… although with the CBA being renegotiated the insanity might be very muted.
Crazy would be NOT overanalyzing everything.
Well. If they scale the cap back and stop the players getting these absurd contracts, then a natural compensation is to let players become UFAs earlier…
No. Not even in the face of Armageddon. Never compromise.
by article1 on Jul 2, 2011 9:11 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
with the escrow
the real problems aren’t the amount being handed out overall… or “inflation” and the like… it’s just a problem around maintaining parity in salaries overall.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 2, 2011 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions
a lot
of that depends on how good Parise is this season… if he puts up 55 points it wouldn’t be quite so high.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 2, 2011 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Nah. A lot of people will assume that it’s a byproduct of him being out so long. You often see that with knee injuries in all sports. It takes about 18 months to fully recover and regain firm. As long as he has a clean bill of health, I don’t think his production will suffer long term.
No. Not even in the face of Armageddon. Never compromise.
by article1 on Jul 2, 2011 10:57 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
if he reinjures it
he’ll definitely take a haircut contract wise.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 2, 2011 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
For sure. Any sort of setback is going to scare people off. I wouldn’t be surprised to find out that that’s been why he hasn’t signed. It’s possible the Devils are holding off offering him a long term deal until he proves his fitness.
No. Not even in the face of Armageddon. Never compromise.
by article1 on Jul 2, 2011 11:13 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Richards off to NYR
For a long time, no big loss. To me, Burke and Schenn being overseas is fine, no solid trades in the offing, Burke isn’t looking to add draft picks (why not, I don’t know), and free agents who can help here aren’t needed until we have a well-developed core and thus a chance at winning; then FA’s will be pieces we can add to help; no point traeding water with more mercs, get developing players and winning, draft a lot. Then UFA’s can be added to fill in where the team needs. Now, the team needs a lot, and getting filler won’t make a difference.
Best use of cap space is to save it, if there’s no one good to sign. I’d have no problem signing a guy like Tim Connolly to a 1 or 2 year deal, but I really don’t want us locking in cap space long term to players who aren’t going to make us better long term.
Also, there’s a defenceman still waiting for a contract who I think Leafs fans might welcome into the fold . . .
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by Draglikepull on Jul 2, 2011 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Im also supportive of signing Tim Connolly. And while I would like to bring back Kabby, I think the kind of defenseman we need is a defensive horse (like Beauchemin) to play with Dion against the top lines. Now, if you think that player could be Gunnarson then by all means re-sign Kabby so you have:
Gunnarson – Phaneuf
Kaberle – Schenn
Liles – Komisarek/Aulie
But I’m not sure Gunnarson can do it. Aulie definitley cant do it (yet).
Connolly sucks. All 20 games of him.
Crazy would be NOT overanalyzing everything.
by nhlcheapshot on Jul 2, 2011 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions
not really
he had 42 points in 68 games last year which is his worst PPG since o3
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 2, 2011 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions
connolly sucks?
42 points in 68 games, 65 in 73, 47 in 48, 40 in 48, 55 in 63…. those are his outputs for his last 5 remotely full seasons.
That’s 0.62, 0.89, 0.98, 0.83, and 0.87 ppg.
He really doesn’t suck at all.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 2, 2011 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
the only Leafs to produce like that last year
were Kaberle, the MGK line, and Kessel… he’d be useful.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 2, 2011 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
if he can stay healthy
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 2, 2011 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
if he gets injured
he’s not hurting our cap situation anyway…
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 2, 2011 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
also
I envision someone like Colborne being called up to replace him.. which would be a good development point.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 2, 2011 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Connolly is still risky because of his potential contract, nothing more, he is 30 and on the (potential) decline, he is injury prone, but not to the point where it seems he would retire early because of it and having a contract on the books, depending on how long/much it is could possibly be detrimental to the Leafs in the long run. If Burke signs him to 4 years at 4 million or whatever and in year 3 he is a decrepit bag of broken glass who skates like a marionette because of his constant injuries but is still “healthy” enough to play, that is a significant chunk of cap taken up
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 2, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
saying that, I would very much take Connolly on a short term (2-3 year) deal
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 2, 2011 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah
I’d be happy with that even…
as I said… he’d be our #1 C immediately if we don’t bring in Richards…. or #1A with Grabovski.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 2, 2011 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
and he'd be an upgrade
on the likes of Bozak when healthy.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 2, 2011 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Connolly.
Sucks.
Crazy would be NOT overanalyzing everything.
by nhlcheapshot on Jul 2, 2011 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
what is this based on
other than your man love for Brad Richards?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 2, 2011 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
he has 4 seasons
over 0.8 ppg… the Leafs don’t have any players on their current roster with more than 1… and none in the past 2 years.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 2, 2011 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Gunnarsson
and Schenn unfortunately need to be split up as they are way more defensively responsible than anyone else in your top 5…
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 2, 2011 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh Steve Simmons...
Though I agree that Steve Simmons comment was ridiculous, the amount freedom rhetoric in the response is overwhelming. Watch the YouTube clip, Dave Hodge compares what Steve said to the SUN news channel, hilarious.
On a second note, after watching the interview with Brad it sure looks like he does not want to play for a Canadian team.
"WHAM WHAM...KABAM...KABAM... A DOUBLE KABAM! AND IT'S A DOUBLE DION!" - Vintage Pierre McGuire
it sure looks like he does not want to play for a Canadian team.
That’s not the impression I got at all…. he just said that whether it was American or Canadian had no bearing on his decision. He wants a franchise that is a good fit regardless of geography.
Crazy would be NOT overanalyzing everything.
Sorry I supposed you are correct. It is odd though since most players who have only played in American markets with low fan support are ecstatic when asked about the opportunity to play in Canada, his response was muted in comparison.
"WHAM WHAM...KABAM...KABAM... A DOUBLE KABAM! AND IT'S A DOUBLE DION!" - Vintage Pierre McGuire
sounded like he wants to go to a team that will win the cup in the next 2-3 years..
I think LA is the only team with a shot to do that
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by Future_considerations on Jul 2, 2011 8:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Shit if you give me 65 million I’ll tell everyone the Flames are a couple tweaks away from a championship
"I prematurely shot my wad on what was supposed to be a dry run, if you will, so now I'm afraid i have something of a mess on my hands."
"There's just so many poorly chosen words in that sentence."
Hodge compares him to the Sun News channel because Simmonds works for Sun News . . .
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by Draglikepull on Jul 2, 2011 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions
From Dreger:
No guarantees, but there’s a sense Brad Richards will make his decision before noon et.
That’s 11 p.m. my time. I might bother to stay up until then.
Oh, you better believe that's a paddling.
Regarding Richards,
If he wants the best shot at winning he’ll go to LA
If he wants the most money, he’ll go to NY.
If he wants the largest hockey market he’ll come to TO.
And if he’s batshit crazy he’ll go to Calgary.
Toronto Maple Leafs: All about the Lemon Grabs
Twitter
All probably true... except that most indications say that NY isn't in fact offering the most money. Which is weird.
But many media outlets were saying that NYR is getting a chance to match any offer. Which seems ridiculous if you ask me, but whatever.
Crazy would be NOT overanalyzing everything.
In fact, NYPost just had this to say:
The Post has learned that Richards remains extremely interested in playing Broadway even though the Blueshirts’ original offer was well below at least two other bids he received. Sources indicate that Calgary had made the second-highest offer, while the top bidder was unidentified.
http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/rangers/brad_and_circuses_OZbV0xUqW598IVkwuZcLFM
Crazy would be NOT overanalyzing everything.
Which would be so ideal but likely unrealistic.
I gotta think LA is leading the charge… man that depth at C is going to be just unreal.
Crazy would be NOT overanalyzing everything.
they still have to sign
Doughty… I’m not sure how much they can offer.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 2, 2011 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
they get richards, they move stoll
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 2, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
to Florida
who then sign him to another extension paying him $7 mill a year.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 2, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
I think
the Leafs probably made the highest short term pitch.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 2, 2011 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Key words in that quote:
original offer
I think this proves the notion that the Rangers will have the chance to match any offer.
"There's been four different Cup winners the last four years, and I got one of them (Anaheim) and it was a fighting team. We're playing it that way regardless." - B. Burke, Toronto Maple Leafs GM
He should go to LA
There will be a lot of pressure for him to be a dominant #1C in Toronto and New York. In LA they can give the heavier lifting to Kopitar, like they did with Ribeiro in Dallas last season.
I've been looking at the sky
So...
Who’re the good 2012 UFA’s that we can dream about until they slowly get re-signed?
2012 class sucks. GMs are locking up their players far more in the cap world. Drafting and trades are the way to go.
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by Draglikepull on Jul 2, 2011 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Semin and Suter are the biggest names, as far as I can remember.
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by red army line on Jul 2, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
This is probably not the best place to go into this in too much detail, but I actually think the Hockey Wilderness article on Burke/Simmonds is way off base. The war in Afghanistan isn’t about protecting press freedoms – the Taliban was never going to take over the U.S. or Canada and impose restrictions on our freedoms. If anything, the war has reduced our freedom of expression by making criticism of many government policies “unpatriotic” and giving the government a blanket excuse to mistreat people and hide information.
The reason that what Simmonds said was dumb is because he was literally wrong – being in Kandahar had no bearing on Burke’s ability to be active because most UFA stuff is done over phone and e-mail anyway, and the Leafs had good staff like Nonis back in Toronto to take care of things like paperwork.
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by Draglikepull on Jul 2, 2011 10:12 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
I think sometimes “fighting for our freedoms” is really just shorthand for “guys like us doing a shitty job,” and in this case (if it’s possible to put the politics aside) it’s obviously commendable when a prominent figure goes all in to support the men and women doing that shitty job.
(But I agree, the idea that these soldiers are in any real objective way fighting for Steve Simmonds’ press freedoms is a rhetorical stretch, albeit a fairly common one.) I’m still glad the HW guys called Simmonds out for his cheap baiting of Leafs-related controversy.
"To be a Leafs fan is to know your heart will be broken in the end."
–Seamus Borschevsky
by Berezin's Spleen on Jul 2, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't like
the Defending Freedom angle when it relates to any of the wars being fought overseas in the past 20-30 years. Frankly it’s all B.S.
The only restriction on freedoms going on is the restricted freedom of locals going about their business while we expend money, blood, and time bombing the shit out of them. The day to day lives of the locals hasn’t improved one iota and I think making it about life back home is absurd.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 2, 2011 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
for varlamov!
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 2, 2011 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
I think
he’ll be a decent goalie if he can ever put together a healthy season.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 2, 2011 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
he’s got the potential to be a very good goalie, I just think the noted risk of a goalie who cant string together a 30 game season due to injuries is a mighty risk for a potential lotto pick
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 2, 2011 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Bingo. But I’m not complaining.
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by red army line on Jul 2, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
surprised no one has posted this yet
andystrickland Andy Strickland
by mlse
Told Brad Richards has decided to sign with the New York Rangers…details to come #Rangers
Oh, you better believe that's a paddling.
well, if we can’t get this unicorn, get them offer sheets ready…
by Goosemonster on Jul 2, 2011 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
that’s going to be a long ass contract
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 2, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
how many years
before they buy him out?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 2, 2011 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
well
that’s nice… also expected… where’s nhlcheapshot… I want to read his response.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 2, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
9 years at a 6.5 hit
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 2, 2011 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah, no thank you m’am
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 2, 2011 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Dreger's got it now, too
Deal not signed, but Richards chooses Rangers.
Oh, you better believe that's a paddling.
fuck you then richards
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by Future_considerations on Jul 2, 2011 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
this!
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by Future_considerations on Jul 2, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m going to go cry for a bit.
Crazy would be NOT overanalyzing everything.
by nhlcheapshot on Jul 2, 2011 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions
OH SNAP
DarrenDreger Darren Dreger
9 years at $6.5 AaV for Richards and Rangers.
Oh, you better believe that's a paddling.
if gaborik can stay healthy, that is a pretty lethal 1st line…..next year
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 2, 2011 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
If Gaborik
doesn’t have his groin explode and Richards isn’t perpetually concussed… yeah they’ll be great.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 2, 2011 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, that’s another reason to be wary about a long-term Richards deal. Is he the next Marc Savard? Savard was also a fantastic playmaker signed to a long-term deal, now he just eats up insurance money.
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by Draglikepull on Jul 2, 2011 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
I seriously
don’t think Richards goes injury free in a division featuring the Flyers and Penguins… or the Islanders.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 2, 2011 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
and the Leafs!
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 2, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
we aren't
in their division?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 2, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
oh, right
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 2, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Restructuring!
Shoebacca - the PK Wookie
by danishmarshmallow on Jul 2, 2011 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Eh, I’m guessing he’s still going to be a pretty darn good player in 5 years, but yeah, 9? No way.
Oh, you better believe that's a paddling.
$6.5 million good at 36? I wouldn’t put money down on it.
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by Draglikepull on Jul 2, 2011 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
So maybe he’s only putting up 60 points. That’s a pretty darn good player.
Oh, you better believe that's a paddling.
if it wins them a cup in the mean time though, worth it
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 2, 2011 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
List of players in the past 15 years who have put up 60 or more points when 36 or older:
Unless you think Richards is one of the top 25 players in the past 15 years, odds say he doesn’t score 60 points at 36.
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by Draglikepull on Jul 2, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Mark Recchi, Daniel Alfredsson, Brendan Shanahan, Rod Brind’Amour, Andrew Brunette, Doug GIlmour, Ray Whitney
he can fit in that company pretty easily
Also, keep in mind that 15 years encompasses a lot of dead puck era.
Oh, you better believe that's a paddling.
And players are in better physical condition now than they were in the past, but I still think it’s a long shot. The players in that list who have done it more than once are all extremely good.
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by Draglikepull on Jul 2, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
I think Whitney and Brunette were flukes, but those other guys are better than you’re giving them credit for.
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by Draglikepull on Jul 2, 2011 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Alfredsson
is bizarre… Shanahan had some random point increases as a result of playing on Detroit.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 2, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Recchi
is a future HHOF member…. Brind’Amour’s drop was precipitous once his hands left him… Gilmour is in the HHOF and is just a better hockey player … and Whitney is sort of like Alfie in his agelessness.
I don’t see RIchards being in that group.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 2, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
A lot of those guys are good but they put up lots of points when the scores were a lot higher,
you gotta remember what era Richards is putting these points up in
um
we’re talking about when they were 36… so not when scores were a lot higher.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 2, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
those
guys all played in the last 2-3 years.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 2, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
well
not Shanahan… but other than that.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 2, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Check out BCapp's graph in the comments
60 points is doable.
Oh, you better believe that's a paddling.
doable
but not likely… it’s basically saying he’s a generational player… and I don’t think he is.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 2, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
What?
He’s consistently been one of the best players in the game for almost 10 years, now. What’s a guy gotta do?
Oh, you better believe that's a paddling.
I’m betting it involves a semantic argument over the word ‘generational’.
Crazy would be NOT overanalyzing everything.
by nhlcheapshot on Jul 2, 2011 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
You'd probably be
right…
for instance… he’s never once led the NHL in scoring… he’s never been higher than 7th actually.
He’s never been above 10th in ppg. He’s 92nd on the career list… He plays a lot of games… which in my mind will hurt him long term.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 2, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Hmm. He’s 6th in total points since 2000-2001, but only 18th in PPG. At any rate, perhaps he is better than I’m giving him credit for.
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by Draglikepull on Jul 2, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
they’ll buy him out year 4
Shoebacca - the PK Wookie
by danishmarshmallow on Jul 2, 2011 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m guessing its got to be a pretty front-loaded contract
by Goosemonster on Jul 2, 2011 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
So who’s next on the unicorn list, gotta think the unicorns have all been let out of the barn now
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by Future_considerations on Jul 2, 2011 11:03 AM EDT reply actions
Only real unicorns are RFAs, which means either a trade or an offer sheet. Burke evidently won’t take the latter route.
by Goosemonster on Jul 2, 2011 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Tim.
Connolly.
Shoebacca - the PK Wookie
by danishmarshmallow on Jul 2, 2011 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Bergfors
is still available also.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 2, 2011 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
isn’t he a winger?
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 2, 2011 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
yep
but at this point we want offense
hes younger than connolly
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 2, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah, just trying to figure where we put him
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 2, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
didn’t dudley ship bergfors out?
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by Future_considerations on Jul 2, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
He went to Florida, Florida didn’t qualify him, now he’s UFA.
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by Draglikepull on Jul 2, 2011 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
yes
but he also brought him in.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 2, 2011 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
so it's
part of the “does the coach think he can get anything out of him” discussion… Dudley obviously saw something he liked when he made the Kovalchuk deal.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 2, 2011 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
coach's doghouse
Unfortunately for Bergfors, he just couldn’t get out of Craig Ramsay’s doghouse regardless of how many points he scored
looks like he was in ramsey’s doghouse,
so maybe not dudley’s idea..
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by Future_considerations on Jul 2, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
I hope Dudley is one of those guys who likes to bring in his old players, and he’s hard selling Burke and Nonis on Bergfors as we speak.
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by Draglikepull on Jul 2, 2011 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
he is.
he did it in Atlanta with the kids he got in Chicago.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 2, 2011 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
i.e.
Byfuglien and Ladd.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 2, 2011 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
yup, but why never was clear
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 2, 2011 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
I definitely want us to sign Bergfors, but right now we have 2 centres under contract who have played more than 1 NHL game. We need to sign at least 2 centres.
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by Draglikepull on Jul 2, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
he's a RW
so it doesn’t help there.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 2, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
I’d rather the Berg. But I have a nagging feeling it’s gonna be Tim ‘Hope I Stay Healthy’ Connoly.
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by danishmarshmallow on Jul 2, 2011 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Tim Connolly
or Niclas Bergfors… here we come.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 2, 2011 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
blech.. we’re on to plan e or f then.
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by Future_considerations on Jul 2, 2011 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Hahahahahaha
Not happening
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by birky on Jul 2, 2011 11:16 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
yeah
well I’m not saying we are going to… I’m just saying they’re the only ones I’d be interested in adding… so beyond that? stick with what we’ve got.
On to other news… how about not making the playoffs next year again? Let’s just accept that now and hope our kids make some more strides in the right direction!
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 2, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Unless
Schenn, Phaneuf, Gunnarsson, Aulie, Komisarek, Liles and Lashoff/Gardiner suddenly become a decent D group in terms of minimizing shots against, and Reimer / Scrivens / Gustavsson become decent goalies for the long term… we are unlikely to make the jump.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 2, 2011 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
I’d be ok with a tank job next year
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by Future_considerations on Jul 2, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
so would i
we actually have our top pick for once.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 2, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
drafting in the top 3 would
be nice.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 2, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
if they legit suck, then I can handle it, I don;t want no tank job though. I don’t want Burke selling off decent assets (like kulemin) just to make the team worse in the short run
no gerbers tho plz
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 2, 2011 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
no fair enough
I just think with the way we’re currently built… we will be fighting with the Isles, Sens, and Panthers for the bottom of the conference again.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 2, 2011 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Looking above us
Boston is still solid, Buffalo got better, Pittsburgh is ok if they’re healthy, Philly is still good, Rangers just got better, Montreal has better goaltending and Markov is back + ERIK COLE! Washington is better, TB is better (if Stamkos comes back)… we aren’t in the playoffs at all.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 2, 2011 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
I can live with that, as long as we are fighting
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 2, 2011 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah
I think we play hard… surprise from time to time… maybe have a good run or two… but we aren’t a playoff team unless the following can happen:
Kessel scores 40
Bozak has a bounce back year with 50-60 points
Lupul scores 25+
MGK repeats last year
Kadri and Colborne contribute positively in bit roles
Armstrong is healthy
Schenn/Phaneuf/Gunnarsson/Liles produce points and play ok in their own end
Reimer/Gustavsson/Scrivens give us .910 goaltending combined.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 2, 2011 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
You forgot:
roster stays healthy
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by danishmarshmallow on Jul 2, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
that's sort
of required for most of what I just said.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 2, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Most importantly,
No Boyd Devereaux hat tricks, please and thank you.
Oh, you better believe that's a paddling.
Actually
Not making the playoffs again was one of the first things I mentioned to my girlfriend when I found out BR was going to New York. I think it could be another long year.
A lot can change between now and October 9th (or whatever it is), but I won’t be holding my breath.
Oh, you better believe that's a paddling.
James Reimer
would like a word.
believe
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by danishmarshmallow on Jul 2, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm not going to find it long
If we go in NOT expecting it.. it’s a lot less painful when it doesn’t happen.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 2, 2011 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Unless we’re a team like Montreal was last year (winning due to exceptional goaltending with a weak lineup) I don’t think the Leafs as constructed are a playoff team. But given the way yesterday went in terms of crazy $.term, I’m OK with that. All of our core players except Grabovski are still quite young.
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by Draglikepull on Jul 2, 2011 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
and
now we have the cap space to re-sign Grabo and Kulemin to good deals.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 2, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
also, no Richards (and no other crazy large salary trades) means mac is all but a lock to be back
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 2, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
If this off-season is any indication, I’m terrified of what Grabbo could command if he makes it to UFA. I want Burke to get him extended as quickly as possible.
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by Draglikepull on Jul 2, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Or trade him at his peak value.
"There's been four different Cup winners the last four years, and I got one of them (Anaheim) and it was a fighting team. We're playing it that way regardless." - B. Burke, Toronto Maple Leafs GM
that's another option
I’d look into… get more 1st rounders? possibly younger top prospects.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 2, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
he's 29
he isn’t going to keep getting better for much longer really… but he is damn good.
I actually think he’s even better next year… though it’s unlikely.
I’d like to see a datsyuk/zetterberg type ppg season out of him.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 2, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
If Kulie plays keeps improving this year
there’s a good chance Grabbo will be a ppg player.
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by danishmarshmallow on Jul 2, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
...
I meant if both of them improve.
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by danishmarshmallow on Jul 2, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
one
ppg player won’t make us a contender.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 2, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Really?
did you read the list I made above? Almost every team on that list will have a ppg player… or more than one.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 2, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
the only team that is likely to not
is Montreal…
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 2, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah, I doubt Montreal repeats. Price will have to be .925+ again
that’s not the point though
i think if Grabbo goes PPG then that’s enough to push us in, with respect to the other pieces we have
ok
I disagree personally… largely because I think our D and goaltending won’t be up to snuff… having a ppg player won’t make us that much better.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 2, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
I think he is saying better rather than no change. Are you saying if the Leafs had one PPG player we would end up with the same points as if we didn’t have one, being all things being the same?
"There's been four different Cup winners the last four years, and I got one of them (Anaheim) and it was a fighting team. We're playing it that way regardless." - B. Burke, Toronto Maple Leafs GM
no
I’m not saying that… I’m saying we won’t improve enough to make the playoffs… and if you read what started this convo that’s exactly the point he was disputing (that I made originally).
Why not just read all of the comments in the thread?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
Grabo is 27 :)
"WHAM WHAM...KABAM...KABAM... A DOUBLE KABAM! AND IT'S A DOUBLE DION!" - Vintage Pierre McGuire
his birthday is January 24th 1984
Which means he’s turning 29 in Jan 2013… so he’ll be 28 during this season upcoming… and his contract will expire in his 29th year… but yeah… he’s still 27.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
he has a mid 60’s season and the leafs are in the basement? someone offers the farm at the deadline
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 2, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
yep
agreed.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 2, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah
signing him to a $4 mill per year deal would be fine… for like 4-5 years.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 2, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
If Grabovsky continues to develop and become a legit top 4 player I wouldn’t mind if he resigned him rather than trade unless we have an abondance of players like him on the team or waiting to get on the team… and even then, I don’t know how I’d feel, after all a stacked team is better than one that is not.
"There's been four different Cup winners the last four years, and I got one of them (Anaheim) and it was a fighting team. We're playing it that way regardless." - B. Burke, Toronto Maple Leafs GM
a legit top 4 player?
he’s already a legit top 4 player… what are you talking about.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
Don’t get the Bergfors crush. What makes him a good option for the top 6 over Lupul, MacArthur??
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Could be better than Kadri on the 3rd line. Has more long-term upside than Lupul and probably Macarthur. Gives the team more assets so that if we move someone in a trade we have another guy to move up in the lineup. Ditto for injuries. etc.
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by Draglikepull on Jul 2, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Because let’s be honest, if we’re involved in a trade for a player of any real quality, odds are one of Kulemin, Kadri, or MacArthur is going back the other way.
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by Draglikepull on Jul 2, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
He had 12 goals last season. He’s been with 3 teams in two years. His 1.75 P/60 is not all that great. He has decent Corsi #‘s and his zone shift isn’t bad, but he plays RW and I don’t think the Leafs are moving Kessel or Kulemin. Plus Bergfors is completely non-physical. He wouldn’t make much sense to sign.
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He plays RW and I don’t think the Leafs are moving Kessel or Kulemin.
I agree with the sentiment, but just as a note, this would be "I don’t think the Leafs are moving Kessel or MacArthur. Pretty sure Mac played RW more than Kulie.
That said, I also think Kulemin is the prime target to go if we’re really bringing in a number one center. =(
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Kulemin definitely played RW last season.
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I don’t really have any way of checking, and H-R has them both as LW. I just seem to remember him in the left corner more than the right. /shrug.
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his 1.75 p/60
came while playing with crappy linemates in Atlanta. His Corsi QoT was -0.173 (Corsi REL is only in comparison to the other guys on the team… w.r.t. the rest of the NHL they were shit).
The season before in NJ and Atl playing with slightly better linemates (Corsi QoT = 0.348) he produced 1.63 pts/60… he’s getting better and he’s still quite young.
He’s only 24 next year… and frankly his numbers nosedived in FLA after he was moved at the deadline. He had 1 goal and 7 points in his last 20 games. He obviously wasn’t happy about ending up on yet another SE team.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
you have to give Kadri a chance eventually. He didn’t have a bad season the second time he was called up. If he earns the spot, it’s his. If we sign a UFA, Kadri can’t really earn the spot – Wilson/Burke won’t send people to the AHL if they’re already in the NHL.
so Le bad is on his way to the marlies?
LTWW
by Tickle Me Aulie on Jul 2, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
his age
and his potential… he’ll be cheaper than Lupul and has more upside at this point of his career.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
STAMKOS
Someone really should offer-sheet him. If the Lightning match then they match; you lose nothing, and you reduce their cap flexibility.
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by Draglikepull on Jul 2, 2011 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
the "code"
amongst GMs prevents this kind of action… which is fucking stupid.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 2, 2011 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
there should be no code that prevents a move that makes your team better and is legal under the rules.
by Goosemonster on Jul 2, 2011 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
or makes
your opponents worse in this case.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 2, 2011 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
At the very least, if you offer sheet stamkos – 5 years @ 9-10million, he becomes UFA at the end if TBL matches….
by Goosemonster on Jul 2, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah
I’d do it… but i don’t see Burke doing so.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 2, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah he definitely will not. He has a bizarre code that he violates from time to time, then claims he never violates it….
by Goosemonster on Jul 2, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Correct me if I'm wrong
but I seem to recall an interview where Burke said he has no problem giving offer sheets. He said his problem was with trying to sign a player beyond his value in order to screw another team. You gotta think Stamkos is worth league max.
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by danishmarshmallow on Jul 2, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
this is true
but I have zero recollection of him saying what you just wrote.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 2, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Really? I remember that one, and I usually don’t remember anythingn.
Oh, you better believe that's a paddling.
well
I remember dreams I had where I am flying on the back of a bat… doesn’t mean anything to the rest of you though.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 2, 2011 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
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by Future_considerations on Jul 2, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Yep, Burke has said he has two problems:
1. Signing a player to an offer-sheet that drastically over-pays for his value.
2. Signing a player to an offer-sheet without first calling their GM to let them know you’re going to do it.
He’s on the record as having no problem with offer-sheets as long as they aren’t inflated.
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by Draglikepull on Jul 2, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Is Stamkos worth league max? If anyone is, it’s him…so I don’t know what prevents Burke from doing it if that’s his actual position.
by Goosemonster on Jul 2, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
This is truth. He’s worth league max and long-term.
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by danishmarshmallow on Jul 2, 2011 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Thank you.
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by danishmarshmallow on Jul 2, 2011 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
But it’s not inflating if it’s Stamkos. The guy is worth league max.
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by danishmarshmallow on Jul 2, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Ehn, I don’t know if anyone is worth league max. He’s certainly worth $9-$10 million.
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by Draglikepull on Jul 2, 2011 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
league max
is $12+ mill… I don’t think stamkos is worth that… personally.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 2, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
You’re sort of right. He said he doesn’t object to tendering offer sheets but not where it over inflates a player value or not without giving a heads up to the other GM first and try to work out a deal first.
To me it sounds like Burke is saying, if there is a player that he wants that wants to leave his current team, he would rather work out a deal with that team (like Boston) than just sneak in a swipe a player with an offer sheet or warning of one coming if a teade cant be worked out.
"There's been four different Cup winners the last four years, and I got one of them (Anaheim) and it was a fighting team. We're playing it that way regardless." - B. Burke, Toronto Maple Leafs GM
Which is why I said correct me if I’m wrong. I seem to recall watching a video around trade deadline, but I can’t link it, so it doesn’t hold weight. I just have the feeling that people have seriously misinterpreted what Burke’s offer sheet aversions are.
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by danishmarshmallow on Jul 2, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
What about Dubinsky? He’s American, and young. Pretty much fits the bill.
by Sloppyjo on Jul 2, 2011 12:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
If the Rangers are willing to part with Dubinsky I’d be on board with making an offer for him.
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by Draglikepull on Jul 2, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Offseason failed.
Can’t wait for a $5M 5 year deal for “48 game” Tim fucking Connolly. Maybe we can grab Jason Arnott for $4M on a 5 year deal.
And yes I’m just pissed off so don’t freak out on me.
Crazy would be NOT overanalyzing everything.
I agree with you.
Im glad we didnt sign a 9 year deal but if we could have had him for 7 years at a 7M hit or even 7.5 id do it for sure.
nope
we just saved ourselves years of anguish… you guys will get over it.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 2, 2011 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
i’m still banking on some Leaf fan karma here and he becomes iron man and stays productive until he is 37 or something and then retires
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 2, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
lol
it’s the RANGERS though man… look at their UFA history… it’s like ours only worse… way worse.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 2, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Apparently the deal is structured so $50million are in the first 5 years.
$10million a year, for the first 5 years.
I hope the next CBA does something to kill these ridiculous deals while finding a way to punish all the teams that did them.
I don’t think a new CBA can punish deals retroactively
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 2, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
it won't
at all.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 2, 2011 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Easy way to do it – structure the cap hits like such:
1 or 2 year deals – cap hit is average of full contract
3+ years – cap hit is the average of the three most recent years, encompassing the current season, the previous season, and the next season.
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by Draglikepull on Jul 2, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
how is that reasonable?
that encourages dropping the cap hit even further… it takes away from front loading but not the long term thing.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 2, 2011 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
just make the cap hit
the average of the highest 3 years.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 2, 2011 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
me too. I guess the only gaming that goes on there is people trying to hit cap floors, and that doesn’t seem overly problematic. Or you could even do something like 80% of the cap is the average of the top 3 years, and 20% is the average of the rest (if any). That way more additional years would drop it a little, but not a whole lot.
I was going to say...
Have it so if the deal is more than 3/4/5+ years (one of the three numbers) that the cap is the average of the 3/4/5 most expensive years.
Problem solved.
Or make the cap hit = the salary.
If the league is actually serious about cap circumvention deals, then draw a hard line. It’s sad and pathetic that the vast majority of “impact” players in this league are being signed to deals that stretch the limit of the CBA to its extreme.
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ah but see
the averaging of 3 highest years really removes the incentive to extend the deals out to stop front loading.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 2, 2011 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
It takes away the long-term problem because no one is going to add “fake” years on the end if they don’t reduce the cap hit in the early years. Also, I don’t see any problem with long-term deals as long as they offer fair compensation.
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by Draglikepull on Jul 2, 2011 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
It would never get that far
They’ve bought / buried / traded out all their mistakes.
They won’t be hamstrung in 7 years. At all.
We didn’t dodge any bullet here.
Crazy would be NOT overanalyzing everything.
by nhlcheapshot on Jul 2, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
they
are going to be paying out buyout money in the long run…
and we have for the 2-3 years he’s going to suck before they do that.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 2, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Already am...
I'm thinking that when the Leafs win the Cup, I'll lose my drinking problem.
by leafsfan4life94 on Jul 2, 2011 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I am pretty glad we didn't sign Richards
I also hope we don’t really sign anyone outside of our UFA’s, if something big happens, I want it to be a trade.
Save the cap space and let the kids play.
I'm glad we didn't sign him..
With THAT particular contract.
However, if Burke and Nonis could have roped him in for 4-5 years, I’d be on board.
Now I have the sinking feeling that Burke will make a desperation move. I’d like Bergfors, but please stay the hell away from Tim Connolly. Connolly being American makes me think that it’s all the more likely that Burke will sign him, too.
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by NinjasFromSpace on Jul 2, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Yep. I know. However, a boy can still dream.
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by NinjasFromSpace on Jul 2, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
SO many GMs not giving a fuck about 6-7-8 years from now. Get the guy you want no matter what the cost, deal with the consequences down the road. A whole whack of the contracts signed will be traded or buried before they are half done probably….
As much as im disapointed we didnt land Richards, im really glad the leafs brass havent lost their fuckin minds. The leafs have given themselves flexability moving forward, something a bunch of teams lost.
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"
I like Plan B more than Plan A.
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by NinjasFromSpace on Jul 2, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
CGY offered more. Don't blame him for choosing NYR over CGY.
@DarrenDreger Darren Dreger
Calgary Flames offered 9 years and roughly $65 schmil.
Crazy would be NOT overanalyzing everything.
This is all irrelevant
only part that matters to me is we didn’t add a boat anchor.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 2, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
ya, I was not too big a fan of signing Richards on a long deal, waaay too risky. But just ballparking what the Leafs had to have offered to at least have a shot
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 2, 2011 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Beating the Rangers by one point for the final playoff spot?
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by Draglikepull on Jul 2, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
the Rangers
imploding and Gaborik popping a groin into Richards’ skull so he’s concussed? I kid.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 2, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
kinky
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 2, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
a double dion hit knocking out both gaborik and richards?
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by jimmyp22 on Jul 2, 2011 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
this would be the best gif ever
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"
by Matt_Roberts on Jul 2, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Nice
"WHAM WHAM...KABAM...KABAM... A DOUBLE KABAM! AND IT'S A DOUBLE DION!" - Vintage Pierre McGuire
so… chances our top 2 centers are grabbo/bozak again?
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"
right now? 50/50
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 2, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
I'd say
higher than 50/50… more like 60/40 or so… although I think Colborne gets a shot in camp.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 2, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
if Colborne
puts on serious weight this summer… and comes into camp at like 230 or 240 lbs… he might be a beast.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 2, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
it’s not his weight that’s the main issue. He’s still learning how to play at the pro level.
Pension Plan Puppets
I hope YouTube comes down to film this.
I didn't
say his weight is the main issue… I just said if he gets up to 230 or 240 he might be a beast that’s really hard to handle down low.
I don’t really see a problem with him being in the NHL next year.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
I’d like to see him play a similar role to the one Kadri played late last year – give him 15-30 games with 3rd line minutes at EV and some PP time as well. I definitely don’t want to be relying on him to be Kessel’s set-up man all year.
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I think Colborne gets a good taste of the bigs this year, but won’t see prolonged action without an injury.
Oh, you better believe that's a paddling.
I'm putting over/under
at 30 games.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 2, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Well Kadri had 29 this season
So that sounds about right. Keep in mind that those games were split up.
Oh, you better believe that's a paddling.
yep
I’m aware… I’m saying that’s about what he gets… if all goes according to plan.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 2, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, hopefully we’re not relying on Colborne for more than that.
If Burke trades or signs a FA, I wonder if that means that Bozak is shipped out to make room for him.
Oh, you better believe that's a paddling.
I seriously think
Bozak bounces back a bit this year… his shooting wasn’t even that bad last year, he just needs to shoot MORE.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 2, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
I remember seeing him try to set up Kessel many-a-times when he should have taken the shot.
by Goosemonster on Jul 2, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Definitely a possibility.
But bounces back to what? If, as I was musing above, Burke signs another C as a UFA, Bozak will probably see a lot of 3rd line ice time. Maybe he puts up 35-40 points?
Oh, you better believe that's a paddling.
how is
that a bounce back? he posted 27 and then 32 points… that’s incremental improvement that will just confirm to people that he kinda sucks.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 2, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm thinking
more like 45-50 personally.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 2, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
My point is
How is he going to going to put up 50 points on the third line? Maybe he gets a lot of PP time, but probably not if another C is brought in.
Oh, you better believe that's a paddling.
35-40 points could actually be a decent increase on a points-per-ice time basis.
Oh, you better believe that's a paddling.
Bozak was third in total ice time among Leafs forwards this year.
No way he gets that much if another C is brought in.
Oh, you better believe that's a paddling.
he won't
I meant as a top 2 C.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
yea he definately will. I still think we may see a trade for a centerman before training camp. Weiss or Stastny still?
/dreaming
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"
by Matt_Roberts on Jul 2, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
dont dream about weiss. he’s good but he’s not really a unicorn i’d say.
he’s more like a grabbo, which is good, but he’s not a top 10.
top 30? sure
i dream about grabbo
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"
by Matt_Roberts on Jul 2, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
I prefer
develop from within mentality… and I don’t think we’re as bad at C as people generally seem to.
Let us all remember how going into last year half the talking heads in the MSM thought Grabo wasn’t even a #2 C.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 2, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
this is true, joe colborne could really be a surprise for us. Im hoping he can be a net presence for us on the pp and if Kadri takes a big step forward we may not be that bad
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"
by Matt_Roberts on Jul 2, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
we got better
internally last year… nobody expected much out of MGK… they all put up 55+ points and had two guys flirt with 30 goals… we need to relax and let players develop.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 2, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Gardiner
and Blacker should make strides this year.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 2, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Kadri will have the biggest improvement, well at least he should
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 2, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
really
he shouldn’t break out for another year yet… he may even take a step back this year.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 2, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
I expect
he’ll have a decent camp… then be pushed around a bit in the first month or two… then he’ll level off after everyone starts calling him shit and saying we should trade him.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 2, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
then in the NEXT year
when nobody expects anything because his 2nd year numbers are average at best, he’ll suddenly produce 50+ points and everyone will suddenly say he’s the next coming of Gretzky and they knew it all along.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 2, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
or we'll get a new coach
who gives him more ice time, and he’ll put up more scoring and people will blame Ron Wilson once he’s gone…
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 2, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
if only we could just skip ahead in time
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"
by Matt_Roberts on Jul 2, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Fuck Weiss, Stastny is a nice piece but it’ll cost us too much to get him. Sets us back too much prospect-wise. As much as it sucks, play the year out with what we have, add a top-10 pick, then move for a 1C from there.
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i don’t think ron wilson’s coming back then…
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so what?
why is that an issue?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 2, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
where in that sentence did you think there was an issue? was it the ellipsis?
I'm building a beautiful statue, to make sure that no one forgets you
I don't take any issue with the sentence
I’m saying why does it matter if Wilson comes back or not?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
i think there is at least a 25 percent chance the leafs sign connolly and another 25 percent that if that fails Burke goes after Weiss or something
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 2, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah that's possible
I just don’t know what we should send Florida that I’m willing to part with.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 2, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
probably not, and i think weiss is less of an option than he was before, with the way they loaded up i wouldnt be surprised if they keep both booth and weiss and make a go of it
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 2, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
none of our goalies
would make them significantly better… and Theodore did win a Vezina and MVP once upon a time so he might play well. Florida seems to agree with most goalies statistically for some reason.
Weirder shit has happened.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 2, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think Weiss or Stastny is available. I think Connolly might be a reasonable bet on a 2-3 year deal, but I’m really not sure if the Leafs are interested. At this point there have already been 3 #1 centres move in the past week or so – Carter, Richards, Richards. How many more do we really think are likely to move? Three in one summer is already an unusually high amount. I’m not saying it can’t or won’t happen, but I really do think at this point that Burke has tried to land a #1 centre by trade, but there isn’t one available, so we’re either signing a guy like Connolly or going with what we’ve got.
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by Draglikepull on Jul 2, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Now that he is GONE
WHAT A TOOL !!! THIS GUY IS A DOUCHE !! LOL … All this time I have been sticking up for Carcillo and now that he is a BlackHawk…. I dont have to hear everyone telling me that Carcillo is a dirty diving tool and have to defend him …
TOOL !!!!
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You are one serious cat.
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–Seamus Borschevsky
by Berezin's Spleen on Jul 2, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Ok
I’m going to walk my dog and contemplate life as a house. talk later.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
NO NO NO NO NO
DarrenDreger Darren Dreger
Toronto can’t land Richards, so is Arnott or Connolly potentially plan B?
Well, a NO to Arnott.
But Connolly? I’d be interested to hear what he’s looking for.
Oh, you better believe that's a paddling.
the problem is he could end up being splodeybones part deux.
by Goosemonster on Jul 2, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
So then we give Colborne some time or see if Kadri can make the move back to C. I’m fine with that.
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okay maybe to 1-2 years with Connolly but dear god no Arnott.
by Goosemonster on Jul 2, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Thankful Brad Richards saga
is over. Time to move on.
Glad Rangers got him with their luck of UFA history. haha
by Jack rides ducks on Jul 2, 2011 12:05 PM EDT reply actions
What now?
So now that Richards is gone, who fills the “one hole”?
"There's been four different Cup winners the last four years, and I got one of them (Anaheim) and it was a fighting team. We're playing it that way regardless." - B. Burke, Toronto Maple Leafs GM
No one.
Crazy would be NOT overanalyzing everything.
by nhlcheapshot on Jul 2, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Low investment, high risk: Connolly.
High investment, low risk: Weiss*
*I keep harping about Weiss, but now that Tallon…did whatever the hell he just did…I’m not sure Weiss could be had for a reasonable price.
This is where a witty signature might go.
This is where a witty signature might go on drugs.
High investment, low risk is more like Statsny
medium investment, medium risk is Weiss, and the risk is just that he wont be good enough
Stastny isn’t going anywhere now. Avs are too far below the cap floor to move him without taking back significant salary
Pension Plan Puppets
I hope YouTube comes down to film this.
Worse: The Avs can’t give him up without taking back significant roster players. As soon as they moved their first in that awful deal, Stastny was nowhere near the table.
Related question: Did the Avs just give up a top 12 pick?
This is where a witty signature might go.
This is where a witty signature might go on drugs.
seems likely, they’ll need huge seasons from varlamov, duchene, stastny and johnson
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by Matt_Roberts on Jul 2, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
and don't forget
Joey Hishon, David Jones, and others.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
Avs are actually at the cap floor now, but ya they can’t afford to move out 6.6M and won’t move Stastny anymore.
Crazy would be NOT overanalyzing everything.
They also can’t let that first turn into a lottery pick. If Nail lands in Washington next yr I’ll puke.
by ThickSkinnedAlive on Jul 2, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Weiss is a 55 point player while facing tough competition and with only Booth on his wing. It’s pretty safe to say that either he’ll put up 60 in TOR, or he’ll free things up so MGK light it up again. Either would be acceptable.
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Anisimov? Where does he fit in now?
"You said you didn't give a f#%k about hockey. And I never saw someone say that before..."
that would work for me
NY has too many C’s now… Richards, Callahan, Anisimov, Boyle, Dubinsky, Stepan… that’s 6… someone’s going to end up on the wing, but they could move someone.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
and NY
still has to sign Callahan, Dubinsky AND Anisimov to RFA deals.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
oh and
Boyle…
would anyone be interested in Boyle?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
I'd prefer
Callahan or Anisimov obviously… but I’m guessing Burke would prefer Callahan.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
Isn’t Callahan a winger?
"You said you didn't give a f#%k about hockey. And I never saw someone say that before..."
ope
you are correct… RW… thought he was a C.
Ok so they have 5… my bad.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
I guess
Dubinsky, Boyle, or Anisimov then… which of those 3 would NY be most likely to move? Anisimov is the most purely offensive oriented of the 3… and with Richards and Stepan I think they’d likely keep Dubinsky in the 3 hole, and Boyle as #4.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
Yeah, that was my thinking too. Anisimov seems like the odd man out.
"You said you didn't give a f#%k about hockey. And I never saw someone say that before..."
ok so
he’s the best trade target on NY? He’s also only 23 next year… slightly older than Colborne and Kadri but still in the sweet spot age wise.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
if our top 4 C's
are Anisimov, Colborne, Grabovski, and Bozak in the future I wouldn’t shed tears.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
From the WSJ
The deal is not a cap killer, but the large salary could complicate the Rangers’ future signings since a handful of young, talented Blueshirts. Brandon Dubinsky, Ryan Callahan and Artem Anisimov are restricted free agents this year and due for potentially pricey extensions.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
After looking at his underlying numbers, I’m actually very interested in the Leafs trying to land Anisimov now. He’s produced at a solid rate for a guy who doesn’t play a lot of minutes, and his possesssional stats are pretty good too. I’d be on board with making a move for Anisimov. I think I’d actually rather the Leafs target him than Dubinsky.
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I think most of us would
Anisimov would likely cost a lot less than Stastny also.
MAKE IT HAPPEN BURKE
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
I would say so, anyways.
"You said you didn't give a f#%k about hockey. And I never saw someone say that before..."
oh and
what about Wojtek Wolski? He was tied for their 2nd highest Pts/60 with Callahan at 2.04, he also had a positive Corsi rating on a generally negative Corsi team.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
he's a LW though
so not as useful.
Anisimov or Wolski would both be potential targets.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
The letter W scares me, irrational…but fact. I’ll pass.
"You said you didn't give a f#%k about hockey. And I never saw someone say that before..."
ironically
there is a W in your screen name.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
Stamkos! Keep swinging for the fences…it’s the only thing worth doing in this weird free agent season.
If you’re gonna overpay, might as well overpay for someone who is actually good (and fits our help wanted description).
1/1/11: Saw the beginning of the Optimus Reim era. And it was glorious!!!1
Oh...and Phil Kessel says YAAAAAAYYYY!!!1
Right now Carolina fans everywhere (yes all six of them) are asking themselves the same question:
LTWW
All they have to do is watch this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHn_XET11tk
They’ll figure it out.
1/1/11: Saw the beginning of the Optimus Reim era. And it was glorious!!!1
Oh...and Phil Kessel says YAAAAAAYYYY!!!1
or this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoMLW6T7QjM
LTWW
by Tickle Me Aulie on Jul 2, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I think it’s time we give Brian Burke some credit. Everyone thought Burke was planning on running out and signing awful contracts, and there was a lot of “Oh no! UFAs! No one let Burke know!” but so far he’s done almost exactly what most people here wanted – brought in a stop-gap defender to give guys like Blacker and Gardiner a year to develop, and avoided giving anyone a long-term deal on July 1. Now we’re in a great position to go after some solid depth players on bargain contracts and/or take on good players from teams that might run into salary cap problems.
I'm on Twitter too! - draglikepull
It's almost like
he reads what we have to say… why pay an army of analysts when he can just read our blogs!
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
Any Stamkos offer sheet has to be for $91 Million. The real danger of a 10 yr offer sheet to Stamkos is that if he signs and TB matches he’s there for the duration. If they do trade him there is no way in hell they trade him to the team that OS’d him.
by ThickSkinnedAlive on Jul 2, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Since free agency didnt turn out the way we wanted....
heres a phil kessel video to cheer us up! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0_liImAT7s
How dare a free agent sign with the team he’s most interested in playing for! Doesn’t he know that all players are duty bound to report to the Leafs!
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I think if Leafs fans boo
a player for signing somewhere other than Toronto we’d spend all our time booing every guy that reached free agent age who signed elsewhere… wtf is the point?
God we’re entitled.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
On the other hand who cares? Fuck Richards.
Glad we didn’t sign that deal.
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agree, he’s not a leaf so his existence is now meaningless
he is irrelevant
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Jim Hughson embodies everything I hate about humans
by Future_considerations on Jul 2, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t anticipate any booing, more likely are thunderous cheers when he gets Schenn’d, or stonewalled by the Reim Minister of Defense.
haha
Puck Daddy is criticizing Burke for not handing out terrible contracts like everybody else
by scrambles the death dealer on Jul 2, 2011 2:41 PM EDT reply actions
This is from the star
Nonis said he will not look to acquire any additional help the Leafs need through players left in the free agent pool or through trades.
Does that mean the Leafs are going into next year with what they’ve got?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
that makes some sense
except the following statement came right after:
Nonis said the money or length of term on the10 players or so that they were interested in, went beyond what made sense for his club.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
and
this is Damien Cox… live from Wimbeldon… with his 2 cents?
They will now look at other free agent and trade options to fill their need at centre. Tim Connolly, an unrestricted player, could be their first option.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
blame
Paul Hunter.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
2 yrs is okay
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Paperwork being worked on between the Leafs and Tim Connolly. 2 year agreement @ $4.75 aav.
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that is actually
a very solid deal.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
my cats had capspace too...
doesnt mean it was good to overpay… altho im really happy with the moves they made yesterday, the overpayment they put out wasnt too far off from what i think the guys they got were worth
by Rob PKane McMahon on Jul 2, 2011 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
HAH!!!!…………….you’re kidding right, the players you guys signed yesterday were ridiculously overpaid
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I wouldn’t be, this isn’t nhl 06
LTWW
by Tickle Me Aulie on Jul 2, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Erik Cole
has a narrowing of the spine… his neck could theoretically break at any moment… that isn’t a great thing, but it’s a risk the Habs are running.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
cole was a bad deal for sure. id place him around 3mil, maybe
by Rob PKane McMahon on Jul 2, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
really?
for a guy who has been over 0.8 ppg 4 times in the last 6 years, that isn’t particularly over-paid. Particularly on a 2-year contract.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
durability is the key concern with him……hopefully he stays healthy
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if he plays
60+ games I’m happy.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
and like we've been saying
his injuries are how we get more games for Colborne and Kadri without handing them the full load.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
seriously though
it isn’t that big a deal.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
and if he is healthy
and posts a 0.7 ppg season… that’s good too.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
10-11: .62PPG (68 games played)
09-10: .89PPG (73 games played)
08-09: .98PPG (48 games played)
07-08: .83PPG (48 games played)
LTWW
by Tickle Me Aulie on Jul 2, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
and he didn't really play
in 06-07… and in 05-06 he was 0.87
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
yeah the 06-07 season is why I only went back 4 seasons lol
LTWW
by Tickle Me Aulie on Jul 2, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
he was over 0.8
ppg in 4 of the past 6 years… as I said… last year was his lowest (if you ignore 06-07 due to his injuries) and he played lower minutes than he had historically.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
This is fine.
1. He got paid $4.75 because Burke convinced him to do two years and not twelve.
2. We have a ton of cap space; short term deals aren’t going to ruin us.
3. He’s an upgrade over Bozak.
4. When he gets hurt it’s a great opportunity for Colborne and Kadri.
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he always seemed to be one of the ones that killed us when we played Buffalo too. Especially on their powerplay.
by Nigel Cadbury on Jul 2, 2011 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions
new top 6
Lupul-Connolly-Kessel
MacArthur-Grabovski-Kulemin
Kadri-Bozak-Armstrong
Orr-Boyce-Brown
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
Where would Kadri fit
in the future? 1st line? 2nd line?
I'm the type of person who edits his signature every 5 seconds.
He obviously has upside and potential
But the top 6 for the Leafs is relatively young, apart from Connolly now, and Kadri can’t play center…
I would think that he would take Lupul’s place on that top line, but like you said, who knows?
I'm the type of person who edits his signature every 5 seconds.
Colborne is eventually a top 6 forward… and we have the likes of McKegg and Nicholl coming up… and Ross, and Ryan, and Biggs, etc.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
meh whatever
If he gets big minutes and a shot to play in the WJC this year, I’m happy with that.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
eventually
top 6… same with colborne… but let him play 3rd line minutes at 5v5 with some extra PP time to boost his production.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
if MacArthur
only gets 1 year in arbitration, and Connolly is only on for 2 years, then next year Kadri is in the top 6, and the year after Colborne is.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
Makes sense
It would be smart to give him some PP time
I'm the type of person who edits his signature every 5 seconds.
yep
and possibly McKegg is ready… or Nicholl… or Biggs… or Leivo… or any number of other players… like Olden.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
Last season our third line took more than their fair share of d-zone faceoffs. Bozak led our team in o-zone starts. Is he ready for a more defensive role or do we count on MGK to do even more heavy lifting than last season? (By the way, Armstrong is a beast at getting the puck moving in the right direction. He was a good signing.)
Regardless, I’m good with this lineup. Kessel hopefully gets some much needed help now and our prospects are sheltered for another season.
I’m not sure but I wouldn’t blame Bozak for the o-zone starts. Its probs more of a kessel thing.
LTWW
by Tickle Me Aulie on Jul 2, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Bozak
is fine defensively.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
Bozak
Armstrong and Kadri looked quite good to end off last season, and Bozak and Armstrong are solid as a PK unit.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
I liked him on the PK for sure. I’m curious more about evens.
That said, I like Bozak and I think he’ll be a solid player. Just wondering what other people thought.
he'll be fine
with slightly reduced minutes, and slightly easier competition.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
I don’t mind. Two years ain’t a long time. If he’s healthy, he’s getting 50 points. If he’s not, he’s injured and we’re where we were before the signing. It’s a 200% upgrade on Bozak, and that’s a good thing. Oh, and he plays the point on the PP and has a great one-timer. I know this because he scorched a couple by our goaltenders last year. Good job Burke, steering clear of long term death-contracts.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pK4yxnjffJA
Connolly youtube clips, scoring on Ottawa in playoffs.. Wooo!
we shall see this going the other way
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So while Brian Burke is in Afghanistan supporting the troops who are defending our freedoms (both statements equally fatuous), just about EVERY OTHER TEAM in the East has gotten better.
Another year on the outside looking in.
I’m happy that this isn’t the way we’ve chosen to get better – sacrificing long-term cap room for short-term potential gain – seriously, 5.5 per for Wizniewski? I like the guy, but he’s not that good. 4.5 per for Cole? Maybe he and Gomez can be the most expensive linemates in the NHL. 3 per for Joel Ward? He had one good playoff series. The money is flowing like water here.
I'm thinking that when the Leafs win the Cup, I'll lose my drinking problem.
by leafsfan4life94 on Jul 2, 2011 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions
derp
Y'all Heard About Me, You Just Didn't Know It was Me
by JaredFromLondon on Jul 2, 2011 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions
herp
"You have to learn the rules of the game. And then you have to play better than anyone else."
Albert Einstein
by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jul 3, 2011 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions
This just in
I just found out that it was possible to hate Steve Simmonds even more than I already hate him.
I'm thinking that when the Leafs win the Cup, I'll lose my drinking problem.
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