The Difference Between Good and Great
In Defense of Intangibles: Phil Kessel and the OK Plateau - Danny Gray at Leafs Nation
The studies suggest that those who engage in deliberate practice and encourage constant feedback are most likely to see improvement. Mikhail Grabovski and Nikolai Kulemin have both demonstrated a dedication to working on all aspects of their game and engaging in deliberate practice, the results have been evident. Players must be willing to practice the right way and with a willingness to fail and to be criticized. Not every NHL player likes to practice that way. There are countless examples of supremely skilled players who could never "put it together"; they were stuck on the OK Plateau. What would we see if we could look at the brain of Ovechkin or Crosby during a game? Their neurological activity would look completely different than that of a 4th line player or "AHL Superstar". Alas, we do not currently possess the technology to do this.
So that's why I've never been able to correct my slice. Damn. At least my short game's been getting better. Flop shot FTW.
More links after the jump.
Tomas Kaberle's Bizarre Stanley Cup Celebration
There were swords, shields, pink overalls, and Cadillacs. That's more acid trip than it is Cup celebration.
Prospects to Watch Series: Sondre Olden
Leafs Nation Online looks at the 2010 3rd rounder.
Maple Leafs Digest looks into the crystal ball for Bozie42. See's an arcade game purchase.
Joe and MLHS looks back at the season that was on the blue line.
Poaching Players with Offer Sheets is Futile
Scott Burnside, and many GMs, think offer sheets are pointless.
Chris Campoli Wants to be a Leaf
Lol. Ain't gonna happen.
JML talks up the Leafs on Suite 101
30 NHL Teams; 30 Big Questions
I'll save you the time. "If the Leafs suck, does Burke make it look like he's doing stuff." Wait what?
Leafs Fans Are Absolutely Everywhere
Mike at VLM is amazed at the variance among the blue and white faithful.
With Enroth Signed, NHL Goalie Situation Set
Uh hey Burke, Gustavsson blows. Pick up Emery.
Doc Emrick Joins NBC/Versus Exclusively
And lo there was much rejoicing from the hockey community in the greater NYC area such as myself.
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Once I learned to put backspin, flopshots have become my favourite hahaha
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One out of four times I’ll hit it thin and shoot it 200yds passed the green.
…I don’t try a flop shot too often…
by potvin vs hextall on Jul 22, 2011 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions
I can do a decent flop shot but I also catch it thin and launch it so I normally stick with a nice bump and run.
Yeah i like the bump and run. Playing it safe seems to work well for me, having no real talent and what not.
by Self Destructive Zones on Jul 22, 2011 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Sandwedge. Ball at your front foot. Choked up on the club and held loosely with the back of the club on the ground; way way open. All of your weight on your front foot with just the toe of your back foot on the ground for stability. Swing soft and low. The ball with pop nearly straight up in the air and travel no more than 20 feet. It’s a nasty little shot and I love it.
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Ahh see for some reason I think I’d learned when attempting that kind of shot to have the ball closer to the back foot. This could change everything!
by Self Destructive Zones on Jul 22, 2011 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions
I do it the right way, but my problem is consistancy with it still. I only learned it at the end of last summer so I’m not comfortable with it as 1/10 times I’ll either divot or hit it thin.
Yeah I don’t golf nearly enough. Consistency would likely still be a big issue for me even if I played the shot properly
by Self Destructive Zones on Jul 22, 2011 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah. I practice flop shots in my backyard
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by happiergilmore on Jul 22, 2011 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions
I picked up a 64 degree about three years ago and it’s alllllll flops from within 10-20 yards. Love it.
Let the Wookie win.
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That’s awesome, I’ve got a 60 degree but I’m looking at maybe getting a 62 or 64. Practicing in my backyard is good for practicing like a 10 yard flop haha, can’t hit windows
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by happiergilmore on Jul 22, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Just out of curiosity…handicaps?
"You said you didn't give a f#%k about hockey. And I never saw someone say that before..."
by TheBurnward on Jul 22, 2011 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m usually in the high 80’s most courses.
by WizardofNaz on Jul 22, 2011 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
About an 8 or so here…and that flop can be dicey. As far as a 64 wedge, can’t even look at it. Freaks me out.
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by TheBurnward on Jul 22, 2011 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Haha it was terrifying for a season but it’s turned into a trusty tool around tricky or well protected greens.
Let the Wookie win.
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My putting has been outstanding this year. Averaging less than 2 putts per hole which has been nice. Picked up a nice cleveland putter, felt the exact same as the identical odyssey putter, just 200 less…
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by happiergilmore on Jul 22, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m in the single digits now, just shot an 84 yesterday actually.
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by happiergilmore on Jul 22, 2011 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Swing slower :)
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by happiergilmore on Jul 22, 2011 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Woah, I was just checking ESPN this morning for lockout news and what have you and I saw this headline:
Brother of deceased NHL star faces drug arrest
This was in regards to Derek Boogaard’s brother Aaron. I don’t mean to be a dick, but Boogaard was not a star at all…
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Yeah saw that on Hockey news last night—yes, hockey news.. its one of the only decent apps on my phone.
I suppose you can say he’s not a star, but more importantly, didn’t they just do a bunch of relief and charity and awareness in his funeral on drugs? Aaron’s gotten get his shit together.
Also, I didn’t know this but Aaron was drafted by the Wild as well.
Everyone who plays for the Rangers is a star. Duh.
On the Mike Weber bandwagon!
I hate Christian Ehrhoff because he should have been Tomas Kaberle.
If overpaid = star then yes you are correct!
by Tickle Me Aulie on Jul 22, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Why is it sports news that the brother of a former NHLer has been arrested? Who cares?
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by Draglikepull on Jul 22, 2011 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Really? The brother of the NHL who recently passed away possibly due to drugs is arrested on a drug charge?
Not sure if serious……
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 22, 2011 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Well what’s troubling is that people say he “committed” his crimes on May 13th, the dame day the Derek died. He’s charged with illegal possession of prescription drugs….and Boogaard died as a result of mixing prescription drugs with alcohol. It’s heart wrenching to think that Aaron may have played an accidental, but pivotal role in his brother’s death. Just terrible.
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Also charged with a visa violation it looked like.
On the Mike Weber bandwagon!
I hate Christian Ehrhoff because he should have been Tomas Kaberle.
Ohhhhhhh. I just saw the headlines on Twitter and figured it was a run-of-the-mill possession or something. Wasn’t aware of the possible connection.
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by Draglikepull on Jul 22, 2011 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
“An official says police arrested the brother of former NHL strongman Derek Boogaard(notes) as a result of their investigation into how Boogaard obtained the prescription painkiller that contributed to his fatal overdose in May.
From here. :(
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OK, this I agree is news-worthy.
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by Draglikepull on Jul 22, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Cue BLINGEE
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I made sure to blingee a picture where he wasn’t touching it :P
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I would LOVE some emery. He’s got great upside. He’s proven he can win with the dirty sens and he’s only 27! He was the youngest of the good goalies in FA and he’s still the youngest.. He played great for the ducks last year. We don’t need him as a starter, just insurance. He can still get the # of starts he wants. I think Gustavson could still be good but we’re not kidding around anymore.
Pretty much.
Say Gustavsson poops the bed, then what are our options? Call up Scrivens too soon? Call up Rynnas too soon? Hope that a guy like Emery is wallowing in free agency? Make a trade for some shitty backup?
This just seems like the same shit, different day with regards to Burke thinking he’s all set at the goaltender positions, only to have things go wrong and being left with no viable Plan B. Let’s face it, he lucked out big time with Reimer last year. He can’t possibly hope to catch lightning in a bottle twice.
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This just seems like the same shit, different day with regards to Burke thinking he’s all set at the goaltender positions, only to have things go wrong and being left with no viable Plan B.
Saved.
I love Reimer, but you’re right. There is no viable plan B if Reimer falters. This will be his first full NHL season. There is plenty of potential for a set back.
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by MapleLeafMole on Jul 22, 2011 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions
I own the Optimus Reimer T. I love him. But I expect his numbers to dip next season. I don’t think it will be the end of James Reimer, but when he has a stretch of bad games the responsibility will fall on Gustavsson
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by MapleLeafMole on Jul 22, 2011 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions
this is an idea I can get behind
PuckingHilarious.com - funny hockey apparel for hard core puck heads.
heheh…
That shirt and my “WWWD” are a hit everywhere I go.
Keep ’em coming
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by MapleLeafMole on Jul 22, 2011 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Recycled idea, but would work in his case.
St James
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by MapleLeafMole on Jul 22, 2011 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
I think we should stay away from references tying Reimer (or any of our prospects) as "saviors", "messiahs" or "saints".
It always backfires.
Also it’s way too similar to “Jesus Price”.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 22, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
REIMER SAVES
AND SMOTHERS THE REBOUND
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There’s no incentive to be just better than terrible this year. We have our own pick.
We’re going to have to develop some prospects at some point or another if the Leafs are ever going to be a good team again, and we’re not a backup goalie away from winning the Cup this year. Let the chips fall where they may. Yapukov is a decent consolation prize.
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Yeah, Yakupov is the consolation prize for when Washington loses in the finals isn’t he? Fuck you Colorado
This is why I hope Varlamov actually does provide .920 goaltending
by Self Destructive Zones on Jul 22, 2011 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions
As much as we all want to see success soon, the team isn’t a contender until Colborne/Kadri/Gardiner/unicorn are fully in the mix. Might we squeak into a bottom seed thanks to Reimer? Sure. But if the team tries it’s damnedest and still flops out miserably, a top-5 pick is frankly a sorely needed addition here.
Yes, and if we’re pickin’ top 5, I want Nail. I don’t want Washington getting their greasy hands on him, so I want Varlamov to help keep the mess that are the Avalanche away from the lottery.
That all said, I also don’t want the Leafs to be in a position where they could end up drafting first overall. That’s a whole 8 months of shit I’d rather not have to endure.
by Self Destructive Zones on Jul 22, 2011 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
He’s pretty much going #1 for sure though, right? We’re not bad enough to get there and we all know the Leafs will never win a draft lottery ever. Getting Yakupov would be nice though because he actually might step right into the league. He’s not a 3 year development project.
Yeah the odds of us getting Nail’d are pretty damn slim I’d say. Would be nice.
Really I’m just bitter that Washington scooped that pick from the Avs, and I won’t be any less bitter until Varlamov plays out of his head and carries the Avs out of the lottery this year.
by Self Destructive Zones on Jul 22, 2011 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah this is 100% what I expect will happen, come hell or high water.
by Self Destructive Zones on Jul 22, 2011 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
What’s terrifying is that Washington would be in a spot to trade their own 1st and Colorado’s to move up in the lottery should they not win. Honestly I’d imagine GMGM spends all year figuring out how to get the #1 pick.
WSH’s 1st, COL’s 1st, and a good prospect probably gets it done.
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I’m not too sure what the draft looks like outside of Yakupov, but yeah, a probable lottery pick, another first and someone like Kuznetsov or Orlov or whoever would get me thinking anyways.
by Self Destructive Zones on Jul 22, 2011 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
You don’t trade those two, so perhaps you give them your 2nd as well.
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Yeah I suppose that would be a tad steep of a price. I guess it depends on how highly you regard Yakupov and again how deep the draft is outside of him. If like Naz says below there’s similarly touted talent at the top of the first round that would certainly factor into the asking price for the 1st overall.
by Self Destructive Zones on Jul 22, 2011 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Alex Galchenyuk is Nail’s teammate in Sarnia and has the potential to be even better… mostly because he’s a centre and has better size, but his offensive skills are top end as well. He was the 1st overall pick in the OHL in 2010
by WizardofNaz on Jul 22, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4KXcYA56g8
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by happiergilmore on Jul 22, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Its pretty much a defenseman’s draft outside of Yakupov
a lot like 2008
by Ben Schnell on Jul 22, 2011 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Well yeah this is true, but there’s about 12 defensemen in the top 20, and they’re like 3-12 most likely
there are a few other forwards who can be expected (as of now) to go in the top 10 in Frk and Aberg
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 22, 2011 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
also, predicting the top 10 now is kinda silly
this time last year it was Cotourier, Larsson going 1-2 with a muddle of who knows behind them
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 22, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Landeskog at 2 is hilarious to me, also Cotourier at 8 is going to be the steal of the 1st round
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 22, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
the sens and jets fucked that one up good
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 22, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah I’m pretty sure the Jets could have traded down several spots and still been able to take Scheifle. Although I woulda thought the same thing about Biggs and clearly that was not the case.
by Self Destructive Zones on Jul 22, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
One thing that encourages me about Biggs is that DET wanted him at 24 and traded down once he was taken. If DET liked him, he’s gotta be good… right?
and the Pens supposedly wanted him too. I’d say their interest is definitely encouraging on some level. But as we all know, only time will tell..
by Self Destructive Zones on Jul 22, 2011 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
because detroit only drafts gold!
/looks at wings drafting record from 04 to now
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 22, 2011 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
No idea how much better or worse they have been in terms of prospects making the jump compared to other teams. Not like they have an organizational need to rush players though. Just saying I’d probably tend to respect the opinions of their scouts.
oh I know, but their recent track record has been pretty meh. the fact that they scored 4 late round diamond mines has terribly biased people to the wings drafting ability. if the wings had thought those guys would have been so good they would have taken them much much earlier
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 22, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Confirmation bias!
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jul 22, 2011 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Its not that bad at all. Abdelkader, Kindl, Helm all made it. They usually only pick 5-7 times each year, and the lowest pick they had was #19.. hard to get some gems with those
John Mitchell made it too,
Helm is the only one you mentioned that i would consider impact and only because of his fantastic 2 way play
other than that they have Howard, Frazen and a bunch of question marks at best
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 22, 2011 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
kindl?
kindl’s played 51 games in the NHL and he was drafted in 2005. 3 full years in the AHL and his top season was 33 points in in 73 games… yeah he’s lighting the world afire with his play.
48 games this year… 2 goals and 4 points… that’s a great NHL talent.
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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 22, 2011 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions
who the fuck said anything about a great nhl talent?
he’s a defenseman first of all, so i could care fuck all about his point totals
and he hasn’t exactly gotten the opportunity to step into the detroit roster… rafalski, lindstrom, kronwall, etc etc
really if you’re going to play this contrarian act, you should really have choosen someone better
wrong
when’s the last time Detroit actually drafted someone good in the 1st round?
The only 1st round picks made by the Wings to play more than 10 games for them in the past 15 years is Niklas Kronwall, Jesse Wallin, Jiri Fischer, Maxim Kuznetsov, and Jakub Kindl.
To be fair, they’ve only made 8 first round picks in the past 15 years… but still… 6 D men, two of whom are actually decent, only one that’s really a great producer?
1 top player in 15 years? That’s not great 1st round drafting.
Leafs in the past 15 years in the 1st round have drafted the following:
Kadri, Schenn, Tlusty, Rask, Steen, Colaiacovo, Boyes, Antropov…
I’ll take our first round luck over Detroit’s any day of the week.
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by Steve Burtch on Jul 22, 2011 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, but to use 03 as an example, the Sens got Dustin Brown when they could have got Zach Parise.
good player, but not the best option
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 22, 2011 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
My friends sat watching the draft slack jawed when the Jets went off the board and we realized Philly was going to get Cotourier. My Sens fan friend was pretty disappointed they took Zibenejad over Cotourier.
Zibenejad wasn’t a bad pick at the Sens spot though.
Scheifle I think was.
I think Larsson falling to NJ was a nice grab too.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 22, 2011 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, Zibenejad wasn’t a bad pick, just a worse one than they could have had
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 22, 2011 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Jury is out.
I’m a man who loves to chirp himself some Sens (and Habs!) but I don’t know they made the wrong call (Habs either).
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 22, 2011 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes
I’m assuming they thought he was Quebecois and could speak french. Neither of which are true haha.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 22, 2011 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
he’s from strathroy!
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 22, 2011 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
They obviously knew he didn’t speak french before he was drafted but I imagine all the Habs fans were all like WOOO FRENCHIE… Wait what?
it was hilarious how nuts the Bell centre went when the Habs drafted Leblanc
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 22, 2011 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah those people frighten me a little bit
by Self Destructive Zones on Jul 22, 2011 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
couturier had an “off” year and put up 96 points in 58 games in the Q
thats kinda nuts
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 22, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Couturier will probably be damn good, but Zibanejad
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 22, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Argh shit posted too soon
whatever. I like Couturier. I just don’t know for certain that he’ll eventually be a better player than Zibanejad. Wayyyyyyyyyy too early.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 22, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
well it is way to early to make any concrete assumptions about how good these kids are going to be, for all we know Biggs will be the best player
but going off what I see. me thinks it was not the best option
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 22, 2011 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
for all we know Biggs will be the best player
Bahahaha if that day comes i’ll eat my hat
/oldmansaying
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 22, 2011 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
oh I know, terribly far fetched, but then no one had any clue how amazing Perry or Getzlaf would have been or they would not have gone so late
(biggs is not as good as either)
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 22, 2011 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
NJ definitely needs a stud defender. Great pick for them.
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by Draglikepull on Jul 22, 2011 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I can also see why the Avs went with Landeskog, they need a winger for matty D…but still, gonna be a disappointment me thinks
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 22, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Colorado
has made some very questionable decisions ever since their miracle run 2 seasons ago.
Not surprised Stastny Sr. is upset.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 22, 2011 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Frk has the best name, saves so much money on vowels.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 22, 2011 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Mmm 2008, we’ve got plenty of prospects from that year.
Hopefully that’s a good thing.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 22, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
We don’t have anything from 2008, except for Schenn.
Traded Hayes to draft Brad Ross
Traded Stefanovich for Brunsstrom
Traded Pateryn for Grabovski
Champagne’s gone
I think Flaake might be too
Rolheiser’s a junior in college and can’t get any ice time
MacWilliam still has a ways to go to be a prospect.
That’s our 2008 draft.
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yeah, pretty sure Flaake is gonzo
still better than 2003 for the Leafs though….ugh
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 22, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Colborne and Gardiner?
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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Bingo
that’s what I was referring to.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 22, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah. The guy in the $3,000 suit is going to go through every single player selected in the 2008 Draft to see if they’re currently playing for the Leafs.
COME ON!
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by clrkaitken on Jul 22, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I forgive you.
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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MacWilliam’s a sophomore for North Dakota. Stay-at-home defenceman.
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He’s a pretty big fella isn’t he?
by Self Destructive Zones on Jul 22, 2011 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
he'll
probably play all 4 years… so he’s not dropping in anytime soon.
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by Steve Burtch on Jul 22, 2011 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Put down a $20 bet with a buddy that the pick Colorado gave to Washington would be in the top 12. Easy money.
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by Bower Power on Jul 22, 2011 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah you’ve got alot of time to think about how to spend that 20 bucks.
by Self Destructive Zones on Jul 22, 2011 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions
It’s weird. You’d think any team with Duchene, Stastny, and Erik Johnson would at least be expected to make middle of the pack, and yet…
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by Bower Power on Jul 22, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Why would it be “too soon” to call up Rynnas or Scrivens? Rynnas will be 24 this season. Scrivens will be 25. How long are we going to wait before giving them a shot? Until they’re 27? 30? We’ve got 5 goalies in the system. All of them have at least some pedigree. We’re not winning a championship next year; let’s see which of our goalies is able to provide NHL goaltending. I have a hard time believing that we have zero NHL goalies in our system.
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by Draglikepull on Jul 22, 2011 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions
so?
goalies can make the jump from Europe directly to the NHL… Bobrovsky for instance. One season isn’t a lot agreed, but it isn’t like it can’t be done.
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by Steve Burtch on Jul 22, 2011 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions
so?
goalies can dominate Europe and struggle with the NA game….Gustavsson for instance. Two seasons isn’t a lot agreed, but it isn’t like it’s a sure thing.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jul 23, 2011 2:36 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Its not about age.. its not as if they’ve been playing in our system for 6 years. They need to develop properly, and the fact that they’re not ready means its too early
But this is my point – what is “properly”? Do they need to play 3 years in the AHL? Are we going to wait until they’re in their late 20s? What benefit does that provide to the club long-term?
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by Draglikepull on Jul 22, 2011 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Each goalie develops differently. You can’t have set timelines for any player. You can think, okay one more year and they SHOULD be good to go, but that might not be the case. Thomas couldn’t crack an NHL lineup till his 30’s. Corey Crawford needed 5 seasons of AHL hockey.
by WizardofNaz on Jul 22, 2011 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
The fact that none of our goalies – NHL or AHL – have shown consistency over a large enough sample size means that no matter who plays goal for the Leafs this year, it’s a major gamble. If it’s clear from the outset that Gus really is permanently ruined, why potentially ruin another good prospect who hasn’t proven he’s ready yet? Grab a shitty UFA replacement and take the high draft pick while giving Rynnas/Scrivens more time to develop that consistency. To me that’s the only way to finally put a stop to Toronto’s goalie carousel.
When you’re a rebuilding club – which we are – you’re going to be taking gambles virtually by definition. I’m fine with that, because we’re a rebuilding club. Signing Ray Emery might improve our chances of making the playoffs this year, but it does virtually nothing for us long-term.
Here’s another question – if we sign Emery, what do we do with our developing goalies? Send Rynnas or Scrivens to the ECHL? I doubt that Rynnas came across the ocean to play 3rd tier pro hockey, and Scrivens has already put in his time in the ECHL. We’ve put a lot of effort into developing good depth in our system in goal, it would be counterproductive to punish those players for a short-term fix.
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by Draglikepull on Jul 22, 2011 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Emery only makes sense if Gustavsson is booted. Rynnas/Scrivens have to split time in the AHL or else we are wasting them. Plus we have Owuya in the ECHL now and I doubt we signed him to backup in the ECHL
by WizardofNaz on Jul 22, 2011 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah my comment was referring to a scenario where Gus is traded/watching from the press box again. For example if his heart condition becomes a major issue once more. I don’t advocate pushing our AHL guys down a notch. But I’d rather throw Emery into the fire than one of our other guys who haven’t proved that they’re ready in a scenario like that.
Put Gus in the AHL on the bench or trade him to some smuck for future considerations.
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by Matt_Roberts on Jul 22, 2011 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Depends on when we’re talking about doing the callup. If Scrivens keeps up his level of play until, say, the trade deadline? I’d be happy to see that. Rynnas has a little more to prove over the same amount of time (consistency issues), but by 2012, they could very well be ready for a backup role (it also depends on how much of a workload they would have to see. If Reimer can take 2 games of every 3, it’s fine. If not, we need to go outside the organization and/or tank).
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by Bower Power on Jul 22, 2011 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions
The Leafs seem to have a mix of NHL veterans (even if under 30) and younger players on D and FWD. But not in goal. It doesn’t follow.
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by MapleLeafMole on Jul 22, 2011 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m a big proponent of signing Emery. I’d feel a lot better with Emery as insurance than I do Gustavsson. A lot.
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Owuya and Emery
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he played great
in all of 10 regular season games… then in the playoffs in 6 games he posted an .897 SV%.
How is that great again?
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by Steve Burtch on Jul 22, 2011 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions
he played great in all of 10 regular season games…
How is that great again?
the part where he played great in 10 regular season games?
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jul 23, 2011 2:40 AM EDT up reply actions
I definitely want to sign campoli.
Sure we have lots of prospects who can fill in, but here’s the thing:
You can never have too much depth. Sign him and push everyone down. There’s no reason Gardiner needs to play this year. Let him keep developing.
Komisarek could be put in the minors ala Redden. They can both still play in the NHL but they’re not playing up anywhere near to their contracts.
Aulie isn’t ready for a top shutdown role, he’ll likely faulter at times, etc.
There’s no harm in signing Campoli. Good insurance. He can play 20 minutes, wants to play here (people dont say things like that often) and will be cheap. We can Mcarthur him.
Call me crazy, but I think Mike Komisarek makes a comeback this year and returns to form.
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I don’t disagree. I think the coaching staff needs to really define his role on the team and tell him to not and try and go beyond that role
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define his role on the team and tell him to not and try and go beyond that role
I like the cut of your jib
by Self Destructive Zones on Jul 22, 2011 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions
I think I’d like to see Komisarek forget about the puck entirely, aside from maybe its location on the ice which might remain useful.
by Self Destructive Zones on Jul 22, 2011 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions
That’ll have a big impact. Last year felt like he was never really given a role. 13 minutes a night is hard to deal with coming off of much more.
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good luck
he’s out of the top 4… he’s stuck at 12 minutes a night if any… he’s now behind Phaneuf, Schenn, Aulie, Gunnarsson, Liles and Franson on the depth chart… and he ain’t getting any better anytime soon.
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by Steve Burtch on Jul 22, 2011 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions
He wasn’t terrible in MOntreal
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Okay but are talking his level of play pre or post getting dummied by Lucic? Pre-Lucic Komisarek is gone and ain’t coming back.
If Komisarek can get back to the guy who played well in November 2009 before he got hurt, yeah I can maybe see that.
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Oh I agree completely.
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if this is true….. PLAYOFFS!!!1
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by Matt_Roberts on Jul 22, 2011 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions
i have considered this possibility
He surely can’t fall any more. It’ seems clear that he was inflated in montreal. He’s overpaid for sure — but SURELY there’s a good defenseman in there somwhere.
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by Self Destructive Zones on Jul 22, 2011 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions
My concern with Komisarek: Whose ice time does he take? Phaneuf, Schenn, Franson. Do we do the Lebda/Gunnarsson “alternate pressbox days” between a guy who put up 30 points in a limited role last year, and a guy who was so bad we were trying to waive? Do injuries hit one of those three before Komisarek gets his chance?
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by Bower Power on Jul 22, 2011 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm banking on a partial Komisarek turnaround as well.
I’m tempering my hope, but I don’t expect him to be the benchwarmer this season. I think (read: pray) he’ll spend a ton of time this offseason trying to do everything he can to rebound. I doubt he wants his remaining legacy to be a 4.5M benchwarmer.
C’mon Komisarek, you can outplay Aulie (right now) for fuck sakes, put it together man.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 22, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
C’mon Komisarek, you can outplay Aulie (right now)
Only if Komisarek switches from RD to LD.
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by Bower Power on Jul 22, 2011 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I will likely take some heat for this
But I think some people are going a bit overboard on the LD/RD impossibility of switching thing.
Yes, I do get it, trust me. I remember when Schenn switched over and it was a disaster. Several players can’t make the switch as they’ve learned one side their whole careers and adjustment isn’t easy.
Unfortunately examples aren’t easy to find by a quick search, but there have to be a decent number of d-men who have switched from one side to the other because a team is stacked on one side and light on the other. If Komisarek is going to find is game again (and I’m hoping but won’t be surprised if he can’t), it may have to be trying to overtake Aulie’s spot on the left side, or have Franson be the one who switches to LD.
And yes, to re-iterate, I get that switching isn’t easy and probably isn’t optimal. But it’s not impossible, and it definitely happens sometimes. Simply saying “oh well Komisarek has to be the one out because we already have 3 RD” isn’t necessarily the right answer either.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 22, 2011 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I just treat switching sides as the least likely option. That it’s more likely that Komisarek is a healthy scratch or gets moved, than switches sides. Even if it were easy to do, or something we wanted to do, it would at least mean a temporary hit in Komisarek’s game – and I’m not sure his game can take another hit. When we’re rosterbating like this, it’s probably just better to assume that switching isn’t going to be done, simply because it so rarely is.
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That's fair
But with Komi’s NMC, it seems more likely he switch sides than gets moved haha. At this point in time, healthy scratch / injury replacement does seem the most likely.
This RD/LD thing just screams of when we take a correct idea (much more difficult to move from one side to the other than it originally seems) and go to far with it (players can never switch sides)
Reminds me a bit of something I’ve only partially been paying attention to (as I’m not as adept at following advanced stats as many here) but an ongoing CORSI debate seems to be happening on how people are using those numbers. It went from a useful stat to represent puck posession and seems to be now used for many more purposes it was never intended for, another case of taking a correct concept and pushing it too far…. again I haven’t closely followed the pros/cons on both sides though.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 22, 2011 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
The NMC is about sending him to the AHL, but his NTC is fairly limited (12 teams, I think?). Obviously it’s just speculation, but I have to think that if Burke says “You’re not getting ice time here. This team will play you.” Komisarek might be interested in leaving. I think the real difficulty is getting a team to take him without us having to give up a Franson. So it’s not impossible to see him move, but you’re right, it’s not impossible to see him play LD, either. I do wish that sites like Hockey-Ref, NHL.com, and Hockeydb tracked LD/RD, as it would be quite helpful.
WRT your point on corsi, I think most of them are statistically sound. I mean, you can mathematically show relevance and correlation, which – as long as you don’t start buckling down and asserting causation – is kind of the idea behind looking for more predictive stats.
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I know he’s played the right side his whole career, but Phaneuf is likely the best option if someone has to move. Being a lefty, he’d be moving to his natural position.
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by GreatKingRat on Jul 22, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
If anyone is moving, it needs to be Komisarek. I don’t want any of our long term options screwing with their game – let them focus on what they need to focus on. Whereas if Komisarek looks extra bad while he’s switching…we probably own’t notice, and even if we do, he’s outta here ASAP anyways.
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There’s no point putting Komisarek in the minors when he’s better than Campoli. It’s not as if the Leafs are pushed tight up to the cap and need the relief. Leafs also have Lashoff who didn’t look terrible in his brief stint. I have more confidence in him than I do Campoli.
by Five Minutes For Fighting on Jul 22, 2011 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions
The giveaway he had against Burrows in OT of Game 7 against the Hawkls is a good way to sum up Chris Campoli…
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by Matt_Roberts on Jul 22, 2011 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions
That would probably be the worst way to sum him up. He made one mistake at a bad time, shouldn’t ruin a career.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 22, 2011 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions
On the other hand, brutal giveaway is exactly the way I would describe Komisarek.
by stevesmith19 on Jul 22, 2011 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Right but the subsequent shot was a bit of a knuckler, it’s not like he put it in his own net or something. Even then, bad luck happens.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 22, 2011 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions
He did put in his own net using his face/head a couple times.
by stevesmith19 on Jul 22, 2011 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Or maybe it was once off his head and once off his stick or skate.
by stevesmith19 on Jul 22, 2011 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions
maybe its just me…. but I happent to think hes not good at ice hockey
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by Matt_Roberts on Jul 22, 2011 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Sure, but there has to be more evidence than that one instance.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 22, 2011 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions
right, sorry to just sum it all up with one play but I never really thought he was very good during his time in NYI, OTT or CHI…. seemed soft and mistake prone. Cliche central I know, but thats how he seems to me. Maybe im way off base here.
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by Matt_Roberts on Jul 22, 2011 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Komisarek can't be "put in the minors"
He has to approve a move to the minors, an approval that I imagine will be rather hard to get out of him.
by LeftNutForAStarCenter on Jul 22, 2011 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions
We already have 8 NHL defensemen on the roster once Schenn signs. We have no need to go after Campoli. Let’s bank some cap space just in case the Leafs do have a shot at the playoffs at the trade deadline and want to add a big salary.
Plus, Komisarek has a full NMC. He can’t be demoted like Redden. We’re stuck with him.
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Agreed. Even without signing Campoli, I doubt prospects like Gardiner/Blacker are seeing ice time in the NHL.
by stevesmith19 on Jul 22, 2011 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Exactly… We have Lashoff, Gysbers, Holzer and Mikus all better suited for callups at this point.
by WizardofNaz on Jul 22, 2011 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions
We have Lashoff, Gysbers, Holzer and Mikus all better suited for callups at this point.
I would rather Gardiner called up than Mikus or Holzer. Both are not very good
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But if say Aulie gets hurt, and then Komisarek gets a 2 game suspension. I would rather bring up one of those guys for those 2 games than Gardiner. However is Liles goes down maybe I’ll bring him up. I just don’t want to rush him as I think he could be very good.
by WizardofNaz on Jul 22, 2011 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Holzer’s probably 1st in line for a call-up. He was the Marlies best defenceman down the stretch, and he’s one of those guys kind of straddling the line between being being a bottom-pair NHLer and a top pair AHLer.
Mikus really seemed to fall out of favour last year; he’s going to have a tough time working back up the depth chart. I wouldn’t be fully surprised if this his last year with the organization.
Gardiner probably gets a call-up in the second half of the season.
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Gysbers played very well down the stretch too. I think he might get the call actually.
by WizardofNaz on Jul 22, 2011 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
He was the Marlies best defenceman down the stretch,
In all fairness, that isn’t saying much
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considering they had already lost Aulie and Lashoff to the Leafs
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And Finger was done for the year.
We talk about how the Leafs avoided injuries last season, but the Marlies were just decimated.
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If we sign Campoli, we could try and package Aulie or Franson with some other prospects for a better forward prospect?
We also have no salary other than Liles coming off the books next summer, so we need to leave cap room open for big raises to Grabbo and Kulie.
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by Draglikepull on Jul 22, 2011 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
and offer sheet to Tavares… We all know Burke has a major hard on for him…. I know I can dream can’t I?
by silver lurker on Jul 22, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
I would absolutely, positively offer sheet Tavares for something ridiculous. He had 67 points last year on the freaking Islanders as a 20 year old. Dare I say he’d be a much better fit than Stamkos as I believe he’s got better puck moving skills and is pretty good defensively as well.
So yeah, $6.5M a year for Tavares for like 5 years.
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No way in hell Snow lets him walk for that
by WizardofNaz on Jul 22, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
I can’t imagine they would fail to match that. You’d have to offer something really big like $8 million for 8 years or something.
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by Draglikepull on Jul 22, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
even though the Islanders have a billion dollars in cap space and would match the shit out of that, especially if the Leafs improve this year
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 22, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
pretty sure that Snow does his damnest to sign Tavares first and then fill the gaps with cheap throw aways and ELC’s
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 22, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
they are going to suck anyways, so why not?
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 22, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
They’re starting to spend, as they’ve backloaded a couple contracts recently. A high cap, front-loaded contract could obliterate the Isles’ plans.
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by Bower Power on Jul 22, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think Tavares gets anything more than Stamkos, if he does (term or years) then it is for one reason and one alone. Snow is scared of losing him
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 22, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh yeah. They have to keep him. Which is why an atlantic division opponent could do some good damage.
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by Bower Power on Jul 22, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Tavares would have to have a huge year to get $7.5M/ 5 years.
I’m thinking more like a Kessel type contract.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 22, 2011 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
i think he pushes 6 mill just because he was a first over all who is performing.
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 22, 2011 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Contract year will change everything likely.
If he was getting a contract today, I’d be thinking in the neighbourhood of Kessel though. It’s funny how much a player’s value can change in 1 or 2 seasons.
Remember when fans were thinking Dubinsky for a 2nd would have been fair value?
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 22, 2011 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Grabovski for a 2nd and a nothing prospect!
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 22, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d punch a lot of puppies to get Tavares.
A lot.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 22, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Dare I say he’d be a much better fit than Stamkos
Yes. He would be. I really want Tavares on this team.
by stevesmith19 on Jul 22, 2011 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
right now, I take Stamkos over Tavares any day of the week
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 22, 2011 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Tavares has better faceoffs and (at even-strength) he takes a similar amount of shots but they’re way closer to the net.
by stevesmith19 on Jul 22, 2011 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
90 point player vs 60 point player
the 90 point player is a better fit
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 22, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions
ding ding ding
I like Tavares’ game a lot, but Stamkos has proven himself more than Tavares has (yes he’s 1 year older, but 50+ and 40+ goal seasons back to back at age 20 and 21, even with st. louis feeding him, that’s way more impressive than great faceoff stats.
Faceoffs CAN be improved. Stamkos’ shot is something you cannot teach. It is ridiculous.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 22, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Tavares takes shots closer to the net. That indicates that he consistently gets the puck to the right spots. I see him making his linemates perform better than Stamkos would.
by stevesmith19 on Jul 22, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Tavares takes shots closer to the net. That indicates that he consistently gets the puck to the right spots
I don’t like the conclusion you drew right there.
I see him making his linemates perform better than Stamkos would.
I still dont think that means he’s the better player.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 22, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
It is a bit of an oversimplification but the players who shoot closer to the net tend to be the better plays. For instance, Crosby’s average distance is 23 feet, Tavares’ is 25 feet.
by stevesmith19 on Jul 22, 2011 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
And they tend to take lots of shots (with the exception of the “pure” playmakers).
by stevesmith19 on Jul 22, 2011 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
All hail Brandon Prust
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by Bower Power on Jul 22, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He also barely took over a 100 shots in 82 GP. Like I added afterwards, good players tend to take lots of shots from in close.
by stevesmith19 on Jul 22, 2011 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Tavares is a first line forward who took a significant number of shots. He’s right behind Crosby on that list. That should say something. The dude can play.
by stevesmith19 on Jul 22, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
no one is denying that. its just that stamkos has scored 50 goals and put up two back to back 90 point season
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 22, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m not doubting Tavares’ ability, I’m doubting that players who shoot closer to the net tend to be better players. Among players with greater than 100 ES shots and 30 GP, sorted by ES goals scored, the top names are Perry, Briere, Stamkos, StLouis, Ryan, Carter, Iginla. Their respective distances are 25.5, 26.2, 29.5, 27.2, 27.4, 31.6, 32.4. Those are some pretty good players shooting from pretty far out.
Or, to look at who’s shooting close, the top eight (same GP/Shot requirements) are Tavares, David Jones, Duchene, Toews, Anisimov, Jay McClement, Skinner, and Erik Cole. Average shot distances are 23, 23.5, 24, 24.1, 24.7, 24.8, 24.9, and 25. Total ES goals (respectively, again) are 18, 19, 22, 20, 14, 6, 25, 20.
As we saw in this piece by Slava Duris, yes, closer chances have a better chance of going in. However, that doesn’t mean that players who go to the net are necessarily good, or that good players need to shoot in close.
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It’s a combination of shooting closer and taking lots of shots. Both have to be taken into account.
That’s why it’s so important to emphasize that Tavares takes a similar amount of shots to Stamkos but he takes them from closer.
by stevesmith19 on Jul 22, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
And by lots of shots, I mean much more than 100.
by stevesmith19 on Jul 22, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Alex Semin has the second highest shot distance at 37 feet, with 123 total shots and 20 ES goals to show for it. (Brian Rolston being the highest, 39.2, 106, 7). Ovechkin is 35.1, with 21 ESG and 226 goals. These are good names who also shoot from far out.
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Ovechkin takes a ridiculous amount of shots, which has a balancing effect.
by stevesmith19 on Jul 22, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
The ability to shoot from in close just reflects an ability to carry the puck towards the net, often through or around the defense, rather than being forced to take peripheral shots.
a high number of shots, no matter the location is a pretty good way to deter min a players skill out of the top 30 shooters in the NHL last year only Gionta and Hornquist are not legit 1st line, 1st pairing players
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 22, 2011 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes. High number of shots tells you who the good players are. Low distance tells you who are some of the best.
I’ve been playing a lot with a rating system I’m testing that’s based on combining shot distance and shot quantity/60. I’m really liking it as a way of looking at forwards.
by stevesmith19 on Jul 22, 2011 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Leafs fans tend to underestimate how good Gionta is. He’s scored 57 goals in 143 games over the past two seasons. That’s pretty “first line” to me.
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by Draglikepull on Jul 22, 2011 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
My Habs hate blinds me from respecting him.
He does have a nice shot though. Not sure if he’s a Leafs killer or not but the ones he DO scores always pierce my soul.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 22, 2011 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
he also had less than 50 points the past two years, that’s also why I used the word “legit” could he play 1st line? sure, but would you want him to? probably not
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 22, 2011 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
He’s just like Nik Hagman in that he’ll score a lot of goals, perrenial right around 30, but his assists drag way behind. He’s good but he doesn’t make those around him better.
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Poor Hagman… man CGY broke every single player we sent them. Broke them to death or traded them (White).
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 22, 2011 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Gionta lead the team in Corsi REL last year while playing against the 2nd toughest CorsiRelQoC while getting reasonably difficult zone starts. I’d say that makes him a guy who carries play (and thus, presumably, makes those around him better). He played primarily with Gomez/Pacioretty/Moen. It’s not his fault his linemates aren’t very good. He’s a legit first liner.
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by Draglikepull on Jul 22, 2011 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
he was 106th in scoring in the NHL among forwards last year with at least a dozen guys ahead of him scoring more in less than 70 games (gionta played all 82)
good to very good 2nd liner who can fill in on the 1st? easy
legit 1st liner? me thinks not
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 22, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Correlation vs causation, where I believe the correct linkage is “pucks that are shot from closer tend to go in more than shots shot from further away”
Likely an independent result regardless of player skill.
All else being equal, would you rather a player, regardless of talent, shoot from closer than further away? Yes. Beyond that I don’t read much into it.
There are some that argue that “being in the right places” is a talent in and of itself though.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 22, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I think it’s useful for comparing two players with similar shot totals. The guys who take lots of shots from in close have elite names: Crosby, Malkin, etc.
by stevesmith19 on Jul 22, 2011 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Is this dataset available easily? I’d love to see the complete names/numbers.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 22, 2011 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks
didn’t realize BTN had shot distance. Too many damn categories.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 22, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I just assume that if it’s a statistic I can think of, BTN is tracking it.
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I’ve been playing around with the data from behindthenet.ca.
For example, I took a player’s total number of shots and converted it to a per 60 number. Then I divided distance by shots/60 and sorted from smallest to largest. Crosby/Malkin were on top.
I’ve been playing with different ways of combining them and so far the players who continuously show up as the top players on their teams are guys like Crosby, Malkin, Perry, Zetterberg, Datsyuk, Bergeron, …
by stevesmith19 on Jul 22, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Why would you divide distance by shots per 60? Feet per shots per sixty?
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Just a quick and dirty way of combining them for sorting.
That’s because a smaller number for distance is better but the opposite is true for shots.
by stevesmith19 on Jul 22, 2011 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
There’s a bit of noise with this approach because it doesn’t take into account competition, zone starts, etc. But in general, the best players rise to the top.
I’m playing with combinations of shots and shot distance (not dividing them anymore) with other stats to help get a more complete picture.
I just think there’s some potential in looking into this a bit more.
by stevesmith19 on Jul 22, 2011 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ve been working on a fanpost for the last 20 min or so, and put together a metric to determine the quality of shooters. I’m not sure about its validity but it gives me this list:
1. Perry
2. Briere
3. Carter
4. Ryan
5. Nash
6. St.Louis
7. Crosby
8. Iginla
9. Ovechkin
10. D. Sedin
11. Stamkos
12. Skinner
13. Duchene
14. Kessel
15. Couture
16. P. Kane
17. Grabner
18. Tavares
19. Toews
20. Backes
That’s just based on last year’s data of course, but this should show who the snipers are. I’m going to post it tonight, but does anyone object to the idea that those were last year’s snipers? I’ll explain it later, just dont want to post it thinking its good and get flamed if you know what I mean
essentially what I’m asking is on a preliminary level, does this list look okay as far as identifying snipers?
It won’t give you “snipers,” it’ll give you “people with great shooting percentages.” I’d take the last 3 years’ combined data sorted by goals per game, or shots per game, or something.
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the data may be slightly inflated based on shooting percentage, but if we follow the same top 20, here are their shooting percentages:
1. Perry 9.9
2. Briere 12
3. Carter 8
4. Ryan 9.6
5. Nash 8.4
6. St.Louis 10.2
7. Crosby 14.6
8. Iginla 9.6
9. Ovechkin 6
10. D. Sedin 8.9
11. Stamkos 10.5
12. Skinner 10.7
13. Duchene 9.6
14. Kessel 5.5
15. Couture 8
16. P. Kane 10
17. Grabner 10
18. Tavares 7.7
19. Toews 9.8
20. Backes 10.6
all around career shooting percentages.. though those numbers include missed shots.
You’re right though. maybe i’ll put a little more work into this and look at 3 years.
I think I’m missing something. Corey Perry shot a ridiculous 17.2% percent last year, has a career average of 12.6, and his two years prior to this one were 10.0 and 11.3. Not sure where your 9.9 comes from.
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Even strength only?
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by Draglikepull on Jul 22, 2011 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Shots from closer in definitely have a higher chance of going in, and I’d prefer that we play closer to the net. However, I don’t believe that better players who shoot closer to the net necessarily tend to be better players.
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Exactly
what I was trying to say haha
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 22, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s a combination of lots of shots and close shots. The latter by itself is not necessarily a good indicator of skill, you are correct.
by stevesmith19 on Jul 22, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Just in case this continues, I wanted to say that I appreciated the discussion everyone as it was very interesting but I’m afraid I have to leave for now.
by stevesmith19 on Jul 22, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
The 67 point player was the highest scoring player on his team. Second highest point total was 53.
The 91 point player was the second highest scoring player who was attached at the hip to a 99 point player.
The first player also had better SFON/60 numbers.
by stevesmith19 on Jul 22, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry man I don't think you're going to win this one.
We can talk “potential” and “complete game” and “quality of teammates” all day, so far Stamkos has done way more than Tavares has.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 22, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
No worries, I’m not trying to win. But like Oscar pointed out on The Office, in debates people get themselves further entrenched in what they believe (obviously paraphrasing and poorly).
I will always want Tavares more than Stamkos.
by stevesmith19 on Jul 22, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Did you know that before Stamkos was attached to St Louis’ hip, MSL had to seasons in the low 80pts? So maybe Stamkos is making MSL better?
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I can’t disagree with that. But an 80 point player, as we’ve discussed recently due to the first-line definition, is a damn good player nonetheless.
Tavares plays with Matt Moulson and made him a 30 goal scorer.
by stevesmith19 on Jul 22, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
And this guy: http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/teams/players/bio/?id=2515
by stevesmith19 on Jul 22, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Not denying anything. JT is amazing. Just makign a comment on what you said RE: MSL
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Understood
And you definitely have a point about Stamkos helping St. Louis.
by stevesmith19 on Jul 22, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
2 great players feeding off each other’s talents is a great thing to behold.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 22, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Stamkos might always outscore Tavares, but I think Tavares will end up the better player.
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Very possible
but right now Stamkos is better.
Ask me again in 1 year I might think differently.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 22, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
yup, right now there is no comparison. but I am open to changing my opinion
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 22, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
It's a debate everyone wins because they're both pretty fantastic.
Also different types of players… this may eventually evolve into a (very) slightly lower tiered Ovechkin vs. Crosby debate.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 22, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
90 point player just got signed.
Inflate 60 point player, plot and salivate accordingly.
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Tavares has absolutely, absofuckinglutely no supporting cast.
you can make arguments for moulson and grabner and whoever else but that is not st.louis/lecav/malone/downie/gagner/insert
Moulson has been a revelation
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 22, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I am suggesting that Tavares has written the book of that revelation.
by stevesmith19 on Jul 22, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Players who are good enough put up great numbers regardless of their linemates. Look at the numbers Ovechkin, Malkin, and Crosby put up early in their careers playing with relative nobodies. If Tavares was really as good as Stamkos, I think he’d have scored more than 67 points last year. Stamkos scored 95 points at the same age, which is 41% more points. There’s more going on there than just quality of linemates.
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by Draglikepull on Jul 22, 2011 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
There’s more going on there than just quality of linemates.
His shot is a fucking laser, that’s what.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 22, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
As much as I find Tavares vs. Stamkoks to be an interesting debate it all seems very sophomoric. The odds of us getting either player any time soon are as close to infinitesimal as it can get. But FWIW I would take Stamkos.
Let the Wookie win.
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Meh
I don’t consider the possibility of getting either plausable.
I know Burke would throw a lot to get Tavares but I don’t see it happening. Not like NYI has a lot of other things going for it. They can’t let him go.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 22, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Stam-cocks
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by happiergilmore on Jul 22, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed – fuck Campoli.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 22, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
no. movement. clause
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 22, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
To comment on the quote in the FTB
I’m super glad Kulemin and Grabbo want to get better. Maybe they just love hockey. Maybe they’re trying to play/earn their way into a better contract. Doesn’t matter. Players who want to get better every year are the type of players you need.
That’s a picture of Sondre Olden
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Olden’s got that Kulemin/Malkin slack-jawed look of greatness.
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by GreatKingRat on Jul 22, 2011 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions
WHAT DO I WIN??
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I dunno, Gryffindor’s obviously love the intangibles.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 22, 2011 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions
related: I saw the last Harry Potter last night, in 3D. pretty solid actually.
Congratulations Tomas!
I saw it monday in IMAX 3D. Visually and most of the story was very well done however I didn’t like the final fight scene between Harry and Voldemort. I know they wanted to make it an “epic” fight scene to the death, however I think the book scenes were more powerful.
It was a very good movie, but I still prefer the book endings
by WizardofNaz on Jul 22, 2011 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions
They had to to make it movie friendly… It was still very well done however. Its like making a sandwich and wanting Cheddar cheese on it. Then going to the fridge and finding only swiss. The sandwich is still going to be delicious but one is still better than the other.
by WizardofNaz on Jul 22, 2011 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Cheesy.
"You said you didn't give a f#%k about hockey. And I never saw someone say that before..."
by TheBurnward on Jul 22, 2011 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
It’s all gouda.
"You said you didn't give a f#%k about hockey. And I never saw someone say that before..."
by TheBurnward on Jul 22, 2011 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ya I don’t know what that is. Can I have somethin else?
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z

I have a ball. Perhaps you’d like to bounce it.
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Jeremy’s… iron
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by SkinnyFish on Jul 22, 2011 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Finnish Sky
History. Leafs. Drawing. In no particular order!
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by CanadianMaple09 on Jul 22, 2011 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
It was either that or
Fishy Skin
…but then there’s an extra “n” left over. So Finnish Sky it is!
History. Leafs. Drawing. In no particular order!
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by CanadianMaple09 on Jul 22, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Sinky Fish?
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by happiergilmore on Jul 22, 2011 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rec’d. Still got that pesky “n” left over. >:(
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by CanadianMaple09 on Jul 22, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Sinkin Fysh
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by happiergilmore on Jul 22, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Nice. I also like Pregame Hip Roil.
For SkinnyFish, how about Shiny Finks.
For myself, I like Melts Onyx.
Kiss F’n Hiny…and Selkes for Kessel.
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by GreatKingRat on Jul 22, 2011 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Amazing
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by happiergilmore on Jul 22, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Funny Story about Campoli
Him and Stajan were friends growing up. Both came from a Leaf loving family. Both of them had a father who loved Dave Keon. Whenever they played on teams together they would basically battle to wear #14. They said if they ever managed to be leafs they would wear #14. Stajan got to it first, I doubt Campoli will ever get the shot. FOr >$1M I would sign him.
Dont mind the mindless story, I’m early at work
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Where do you work? Sounds boring
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by happiergilmore on Jul 22, 2011 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Holy fuck, have you not fuckin learned?
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You’re proud of your Italian heritage I assumed you would have a job that helps promote said heritage.
You don’t work at a talking out of your ass factory.
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No but I did help my friends dad run for Mayor… Politics is close
by WizardofNaz on Jul 22, 2011 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Greg McKegg likes talking out of his ass
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by happiergilmore on Jul 22, 2011 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I’m not getting into this again with you. Quit it with the fuckin jokes.
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I have one I’d like to use in the above thread, do I have permission to do so?
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 22, 2011 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions
His face is dreamy…
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I can’t tell if that Hockey News “30 NHL Teams: 30 Big Questions” article is serious or not.
by Self Destructive Zones on Jul 22, 2011 8:45 AM EDT reply actions
can Daniel Alfredsson maintain his always-classy veneer
Like this. This can’t be serious, can it?
by Self Destructive Zones on Jul 22, 2011 8:49 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Even better:
CALGARY: If Jarome Iginla or Miikka Kiprusoff are injured for any particular length of time – undoubtedly sinking the Flames playoff hopes in the process – does ex-GM Darryl Sutter crash a Flames game […] and demand his old job back?
Why would anyone even think that? “If the product of Sutter’s time as a GM blows, does anyone listen if he demands his job back?” Is anyone suggesting this is already Feaster’s team?
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by Bower Power on Jul 22, 2011 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah this is why I get an inkling the article is supposed to be a joke, but there are other questions that actually do make some sense and seem at least partly serious. Clearly the guy is trying to be witty, I just can’t figure out if the article is supposed to be remotely serious or not.
by Self Destructive Zones on Jul 22, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
It’s Adam Proteau and it’s Mid July.
Not to be confused with William Shakespeare and Midsummer’s Night Dream
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by MapleLeafMole on Jul 22, 2011 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Speaking of midsummer night dreams…
Last night I dreamed that people were privatizing sleeping areas, starting with my bed, and I protested and started my own sleeping area on the other side of the room. Needless to say I semi-woke up at 6am lying on my floor and thought “hey wait a minute their permit doesn’t kick in for another 24 hours I can still sleep in my bed” so I went back to bed. When I actually woke up this morning I realized my subconscious is quite stupid.
by WizardofNaz on Jul 22, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
too much beer before bed?
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by MapleLeafMole on Jul 22, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Sober as a bird. But I did have a soccer game that didn’t end until 1230 so going straight to bed after that with all the adrenaline still going probably wasn’t the greatest thing.
by WizardofNaz on Jul 22, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh yeah…I’ve had the adrenaline rush post hockey/soccer. Usually can’t sleep through it. Just keeps me up for an additional hour or 2
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by MapleLeafMole on Jul 22, 2011 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I was lucky to sleep through it. Last thursday I was up till 3am with the rush. I think because the heat drained me so much it worked out.
I find I always have to drink a ton of water afterwards too, or else I feel dehydrated all day the next day.
Maybe it’s just me, but to borrow the words of the author, Should people who don’t believe Goaltending is by far the Leafs’ biggest question mark be repeatedly baseline tested for their own benefit?
by Self Destructive Zones on Jul 22, 2011 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions
I think they’re trying too hard to be witty. I’m still trying to understand the Pittsburgh one. It seems like one long run on sentence.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jul 22, 2011 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions
2 twitter comments...
1) I’m assuming the arcade game comment was due to Bozak asking twitter yesterday where he can buy Big Buck Hunter… if not well he asked that yesterday.
2) Gunner just said on twitter that he hates Ikea… Well it was nice to have him around for 2 seasons too bad his career is going to be cut short by beheading due to treason.
How can he not like IKEA? It’s like legos for adults!
On the Mike Weber bandwagon!
I hate Christian Ehrhoff because he should have been Tomas Kaberle.
Because there are never the right amount of dowels/screws and the instructions kinda suck so its very confusing because you never know if you’ve built it right.
This doesn’t disprove the fact that its exactly like legos.
On the Mike Weber bandwagon!
I hate Christian Ehrhoff because he should have been Tomas Kaberle.
Hell, once built, you could probably take alot of IKEA furniture apart, put it in a bin, and then build something out of random parts a few weeks later.
by Self Destructive Zones on Jul 22, 2011 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Holy crap someone should do this.
On the Mike Weber bandwagon!
I hate Christian Ehrhoff because he should have been Tomas Kaberle.
Lets hope some struggling artist isn’t scanning this thread and beats us to it!
by Self Destructive Zones on Jul 22, 2011 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions
My sisters wall unit – it covers an entire wall in her living room – is made from random Ikea boards and planks. It’s works and looks good.
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by MapleLeafMole on Jul 22, 2011 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m not shocked I’m not the first to think of such a thing.
by Self Destructive Zones on Jul 22, 2011 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions
I wish I had a picture of Homer’s BBQ art right now
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by MapleLeafMole on Jul 22, 2011 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Uh, google?
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 22, 2011 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions
At work, most of the hits are blocked
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by MapleLeafMole on Jul 22, 2011 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions
…and with good reason. How can you hate disposable furniture with a swedish brand name that’s cheaply made in China?
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jul 22, 2011 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions
When assembling Skuvnar it is best to be two people.
100 house points to anyone who can guess the source.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 22, 2011 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Come on, do it.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 22, 2011 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions
It’s from one of the Futurama dvds. Can’t remember which of the dudes said it, but it’s on the episode commentaries (the Futurama commentaries are right up there with the ones on Community).
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They love us both.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 22, 2011 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
I think when this whole PPP being exiled thing blows over you and I should get an apartment together.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 22, 2011 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions
It was the head writer… I forget his name. Not Groening
by WizardofNaz on Jul 22, 2011 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
I may be geeky, but I have a feeling I’d end up looking like an idiot around you two… I only get like 1/3 of the references PFACNF makes.
by WizardofNaz on Jul 22, 2011 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
There’s a window in the closet.
This is huge! Bender, why don’t I just live in here?
In a closet? Oh, humans!
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 22, 2011 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Is it a generational thing that so many people quote Futurama instead of The Simpsons?
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jul 22, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s just f-ing weird. I watched it a couple of times and thought it was meh.
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agreed. i’ve bene watching it on Netflix but haven’t been overly impressed. still trying to see what everyone loves about it.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jul 22, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Strong characters, good writing, the best episodes feel like more than cartoons, similar to the Simpsons when it’s great.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 22, 2011 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Watch the episode Jurassic Bark.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 22, 2011 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
only cartoon to make the room super dusty when I watch it.
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So sad, glad the first movie gave me some closure.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 22, 2011 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
“Roswell that Ends Well” & “Luck of the Fryrish” = best.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 22, 2011 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
How does it feel to be wrong?
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 22, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
It must suck.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 22, 2011 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
why are you asking when you obviously know the answer?
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by daoust on Jul 22, 2011 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Owned.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 22, 2011 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Argh, I am burned.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 22, 2011 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Simpsons has had many seasons of being heavily quoted
Futurama is the new hotness. Plus it’s hilarious.
Simpsons (especially these later seasons) has become irrelevent.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 22, 2011 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
that’s not entirely true. it’s mostly true, but they still have some decent episodes (about 1 or 2 a season). If you haven’t seen ‘e pluribus wiggum’ you’re missing out on how relevant it can still be.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jul 22, 2011 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Anybody got a list of the good episodes from season 12 or so onward? Whenever I watch a random rerun from these seasons, it’s usually bad.
Here's my list:
12:
HOMR (classic IMHO)
13:
The Bart Wants What It Wants (Canadian references)
Weekend at Burnsie (medicinal marijuana)
Tales from the Public Domain is OK
14:
nothing comes to mind
15:
Regina Monologues is OK
Margical History Tour
16:
Midnight Rx
There’s Something About Marying
17:
Girls Just Want to Have Sums
18:
You Kent Always Say What you Want (really good)
19:
That 90’s Show
E Pluribus Wiggum (classic)
20:
Lost Verizon is OK
Coming to Homerica (really good)
That’s about it. It’s a thin list, admittedly.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jul 22, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
HOMR is great. It reminds me that while I like pretty much everything in 3-8, 9-12 have enough good episodes to make a solid season or season-and-a-half.
Of the remaining I’ve seen: Weekend at Burnsie and Tales from the Public Domain are not bad, I didn’t really like The Bart Wants What It Wants, the rest don’t ring a bell.
yeah, 9-12 are OK seasons, with a few cheaper laughs along the way.
of the remaining ones in the list, I definitely recommend Coming to Homerica and There’s Something about Marrying. Oh, and E Pluribus Wiggum.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jul 22, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
After looking it up on wikipedia, I have seen coming to Homerica, it wasn’t bad, and I’m generally not a huge fan of specific political issues getting parodied in sitcoms, since Stewart, Colbert and the internet generally make a lot of similar jokes a lot sooner.
yes, but at least once a week Colbert/Stewart rip off old jokes from the Simpsons. the Simpsons really created the artform of good modern political parody. hell, Colbert practically IS Kent Brockman.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jul 22, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
a classic.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jul 22, 2011 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Alright, i’ll concede there are a few diamonds in the rough for every show. Overall I’ve barely been able to watch it anymore.
Maybe it hasn’t changed, and I have.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 22, 2011 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Nah, they lost the good writers and producers.
Josh Weinstein and Bill Oakley were awesome. Same with Conan, David X. Cohen.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 22, 2011 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Definitely the show has gotten worse. I’d also say that while not as much of a drop in quality, new Futurama isn’t as good as the first four seasons.
the problem with some of the new futurama is you can tell it was written before the show was cancelled the first time, and it has not aged well on the shelf
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 22, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ll also concede pre-cancellation Futurama had better episodes than post-concellation have had.
It makes me sad and I think they need a big episode win soon to keep the audience engaged.
I did like “The Late Phillip J Fry” though, where they keep forward-travelling through time.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 22, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
it sucks because i dont have comedy central
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 22, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
comedy network dude. well, they used to play the new episodes there. I don’t watch a whole lot of TV on TV anymore
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i watch a lot of the comedy network, i have never seen them screen the new eps
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 22, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
That would be my other compalint. Why do they hate Canada/ why is the Comedy network too cheap to buy the show.
Yeah, that was the worst.
The last two or three have been really strong. Silence of the Clamps was great as was Law and Oracle.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 22, 2011 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
My name is John “cussing” Zoidberg!!
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 22, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Proteautype Adam Proteau
If you missed it yesterday, here’s my web column, in which I ask questions of 30 NHL teams & basically court hate mail. http://bit.ly/nk8tQI
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by happiergilmore on Jul 22, 2011 10:54 AM EDT reply actions
dchesnokov Dmitry Chesnokov
Yashin’s agent Mark Gandler to SovSport: “At this time we are negotiating with the #Islanders…and are seriously considering their offer.”
Does. Not. Compute.
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Haha, he could be the first player to count against a team’s salary cap twice. Beautiful.
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Actually, Alfredsson currently counts against the Sens cap twice, and has for the past few years. The CBA only allows renegotiating contracts by buying the current one out and starting over.
Yeah this is true. Only found out a couple months ago.
by Ben Schnell on Jul 22, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Somewhat more complicated than that: His previous contract had (player?) option years which had to be bought out.
On the Mike Weber bandwagon!
I hate Christian Ehrhoff because he should have been Tomas Kaberle.
Please make this happen as it would be hilarious. Also, they could pay him a nice 1 year salary and actually make the cap floor!
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 22, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I kind of want him to come back. Nostalgia and all that.
Funny that he’ll be terrible too
by Ben Schnell on Jul 22, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Washington Capitals’ owner Ted Leonsis seems to agree with Burke re: long term contracts and cap circumvention.
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This bit is interesting too:
The Olympics might be another CBA issue, and my editor wanted me to ask you this: Are you still committed to letting Alex Ovechkin play in Sochi whether or not the NHL goes in 2014, to the point where you’d fly him there yourself?
Yes.
Alex is the cornerstone of our franchise, and he’s the spokesperson for hockey and the Olympics in Sochi. I’m only one voice, but I’m supporting him.
The Olympics, when done right with hockey, is an incredible experience for hockey fans. Anything that’s good for the fans and good for the game is going to be good for our business.
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by Draglikepull on Jul 22, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Other interesting things:
Leonsis seems to have a good handle on things you might not expect an owner to have a handle on. For example, he seems to be familiar with Puck Daddy and SBNation and the role that they play in the hockey fan community. He also cites Vokoun’s SV% as the reason the team considered him to be a great choice in net.
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by Draglikepull on Jul 22, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Links that I found
Not sure if any of these have already been posted. If they have, I’m sorry.
Despite the summer heat, Clarke MacArthur shudders at the thought of what could have been
(Posted this one yesterday, but it’s worth posting again.. Leafs Tickets Giveaway
12 Best Forwards in Leafs History
The Leafs prospects visited the Toronto Police College as part of camp
Happy Reading! =)
When you’re copying and pasting long links and writing text also, it gets really messy
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I’ve asked this before too. I can’t be the only one who doesn’t like to click on links if they don’t know where they’re going.
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by Draglikepull on Jul 22, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
c’mooooon live a little
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 22, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
what’s goatse?
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by happiergilmore on Jul 22, 2011 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
actually no, that’s mean. don’t look it up
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by happiergilmore on Jul 22, 2011 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
citrus celebration!
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 22, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
festa de limone
/leafer1984’d
plz don’t hit me
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by happiergilmore on Jul 22, 2011 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
….?
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by happiergilmore on Jul 22, 2011 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Warning: 12 best forwards in Leafs History is a link to BleacherReport.
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Argh
Heads up newfiecutie, Bleacher Report is only one step above linking he who shall not be linked.
Bleacher Report is terrible. Not saying anyone who has ever written on it is, but wow its reputation is in the trash and 99% of the time is a waste of internet space.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 22, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
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by thenumber14 on Jul 22, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
these last two must be blue/green’d
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As an FYI into how we generally do links in the FTB
We usually don’t link to big name sites like TSN, RDS, ESPN, or Puck Daddy because we figure everyone is already reading those sites without a push from us. If it’s breaking Leafs related news, we’ll usually throw up a Fanshot link on the front page. (Like a player signing or trade.)
We like to use the FTB to mainly promote blogs and those in the MSM who we’re buddies with like Mirtle.
Unless the story is particularly worthwhile, we don’t like to the Toronto newspapers, and we never ever link to the Sun because they’re plagiaristic assholes.
We will never link to Bleacher Report or articles from those MSMers who shall not be named.
If you’ve found a sweet Leafs related YouTube video, throw up a Fanshot with the video. More often than not, we’ll front page it.
Now you know, and knowing is half the battle. A quarter of the battle is red lasers, and the other quarter is blue lasers.
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What if Berger writes another hilarious, ALL CAPS blog post about the leafs?
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He has another blog site that isn’t on hockeybuzz.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 22, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Then Chemmy will cover it in the NNN or Till and Jorn will tear him a new one in Cox Bloc.
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Huzzah!
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 22, 2011 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
CATHERINE ZETA JONES
SHE DIPS BENEATH LASERS
Pension Plan Puppets
I hope YouTube comes down to film this.
lasers
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 22, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
lasershow'd (boooooo red sox)

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by happiergilmore on Jul 22, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Lasers?
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by Draglikepull on Jul 22, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
We usually don’t link to big name sites like TSN, RDS, ESPN, or Puck Daddy
you mean there is other places for Leaf news other than PPP?
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No there are not. Continue visiting here and only here.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 22, 2011 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Nice article on MacArthur.
When asked if he holds a grudge against Dudley. He replies. "Not at all. "I should be thankful to him, because signing with the Leafs was the best thing that ever happened to me." Awesome to hear words like that.
are they the official RCAF team? looks like a military patch
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 22, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
h8 u
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by happiergilmore on Jul 22, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
whiteout is the stupidest name for a team ever
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 22, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah and if you press "reply" you can see their logo and team colours
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by happiergilmore on Jul 22, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
no, but it was one of the options
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 22, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
This looks almost Maroon, I think it’s more red than maroon in the picture
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by happiergilmore on Jul 22, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
The owners brother company, True East
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by happiergilmore on Jul 22, 2011 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
The sun is in the West, so there’s a shadow on the Eastern side of the plane. duh.
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The sun is setting on their franchise already? That was quicker than I expected.
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by Draglikepull on Jul 22, 2011 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
Isn’t that every day?
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by happiergilmore on Jul 22, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
From the twitters
The little notch is apparently a homage to the owners, True North. Get it?
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I figured it had something to do with North, but I was hoping it was something like “great white north” – not “think about the ownership!”
God, could you imagine the awful looking logos if that became a trend?
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A little $ sign next to the Maple Leaf to represent ML$E?
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 22, 2011 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Get ready for the Toronto Golden Apples

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by Draglikepull on Jul 22, 2011 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions
If I was at home I would photoshop a jersey with that.
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by Draglikepull on Jul 22, 2011 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
How would you incorporate Eugene Melnyk telling Bryan Murray what to do?
by Self Destructive Zones on Jul 22, 2011 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
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by happiergilmore on Jul 22, 2011 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Ahh, so that awful logo paying homage to the owners will be like the awful Canucks “orca” logo paying homage to their owners.
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by Draglikepull on Jul 22, 2011 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
They’re called Orca Bay, aren’t they?
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by Draglikepull on Jul 22, 2011 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Canucks Sports and Entertainment
(Francesco Aquilini, Chairman)
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The Aquilini Investment Group (AIG) today announced a name change for the company responsible for operating the Vancouver Canucks and General Motors Place. Effective today, Canucks Sports & Entertainment replaces Orca Bay Sports & Entertainment.
I was right as of the time they came up with that logo.
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by Draglikepull on Jul 22, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
kind of ironic, considering how shitty the RCAF jets are (they broke down on the way to Libya).
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jul 22, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I feel bad for the canadian military, excellent soldiers, terrible equipment
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 22, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
me too. and i’m not exactly a right-wing, pro-military kind of guy. but i do think we should have a military of sufficient size that we won’t be readily invaded by the americans/russians/chinese when all the fresh water int he world runs out.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jul 22, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
don’t think it won’t happen.
. The percentage of total world population residing in Canada is quite low, about 0.5%. However, according to a calculation, about 9% of the total area in Canada has freshwater. Canada supplies approximately 7% of the total world’s supply of renewable freshwater. The rivers of Canada discharge 105 000 m3/s of renewable freshwater. The Great Lakes in Canada occupy about 10% or 87,500 square kilometers of the total 89, 1163 square kilometers of available freshwater in the nation. About 60% of Canada’s freshwater usually drains towards the northern part. The area occupied by wetland in Canada is the largest in the world. This country has approximately 25% of the entire world’s wetlands.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jul 22, 2011 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
More likely is that we’re pressured into bad trade deals so corporations can just take the water and sell it elsewhere.
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by Draglikepull on Jul 22, 2011 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
US has coasts on 4 of the Great Lakes. We’ll just build bigger pumps and drain them first. Tada!
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we can fight anyone into the ground, but that wont be much help when they run out of musket balls
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 22, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
that’s funny. russia / china / the US will come and invade us whenever they see fit, regardless of how many shiny planes we have. we should spend the military money on fun stuff now instead and just plan to co-operate / welcome our new overlords when the time comes.
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lol. the teenaged inheritance approach to international policy.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jul 22, 2011 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
nah, just realistic. we’re 35 million people. the US is 350 million (ish?). china a couple of billion. we’re not going to scare anyone, stephen harper’s weird hairdo and icy stare notwithstanding.
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I remember a comic saying that China could invade the US in canoes and put up a good fight.
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Republicans will refuse to allow Obama to deploy the military to fend off the Chinese invasion unless he agrees to replace Social Security with a program where rich people kick puppies.
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by Draglikepull on Jul 22, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, i’m not really arguing. we kinda suck in that regard. it’s a little sad though.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jul 22, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
we’re just as god made us buddy. make peace.
given our relatively small population we’re lucky we have as much ‘clout’ on the international scene as we do. i think they just let us play with them because we’ve got a big unspoiled country with lots of nice stuff that they’re going to want to use at some point.
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Small population, yes. Small economy, no.
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by Draglikepull on Jul 22, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Our economy is pretty small as well. About the only thing that is big about Canada is the geography.
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by T is for Truculence on Jul 22, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
and our sense of importance.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jul 22, 2011 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
we’re like the Winklevoss twins’ (Englad, USA) kid brother. They invite us to the party, but we’re sitting at the kid’s table.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jul 22, 2011 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
The CIA World Factbook lists our economy as the 15th largest in the world by PPP (purchasing power parity). Out of something like 190 countries in the world that puts us in the top 8% or so.
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by Draglikepull on Jul 22, 2011 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Ranking things by PPP: Always a good idea
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I remember when we learned Purchasing Power Parity. I kept getting confused when my teacher called it PPP.
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Love it. Reminds me of the RCAF emblem
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by happiergilmore on Jul 22, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I think it looks awful.
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by Draglikepull on Jul 22, 2011 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I tend to like logos that are simple but have style, like the Avs or the Sharks.
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by Draglikepull on Jul 22, 2011 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t know if they were planning on releasing the logo today, but they are announcing to release logo officially on winnipegjets.com in an hour.
At first glance, it sounds like the leak forced their hand on revealing it early.
if I was a betting man, this is the official logo.
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Dreger said they were planning on releasing mid-august I think
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by happiergilmore on Jul 22, 2011 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
A nice piece on covering Pat Burns and his 88-89 Canadiens. Found via puck daddy.
You want Burns’ thoughts on diving?
There was something honorable about this team, at least in how it approached its job — Pepe Lemieux excepted. During the Cup final, Lemieux, who often played two positions, right wing and prone, lay on the ice just feet from Montreal’s bench, writhing in an effort to draw a penalty. This was not viewed as a whatever-it-takes gambit, but some gamesmanship unworthy of the CH. As the trainer started to clamber over the boards to minister to Lemieux, Burns grabbed the trainer’s sweater and told him, “Let the SOB lie there.”
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Ryan Lambert eviscerates the Osgood for Hall argument. I laugh repeatedly.
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by Nigel Cadbury on Jul 22, 2011 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Jets new logos

Leak was real.
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Alt logo was clearly inspired by someone who flew on an Air Canada plane and got to meet the pilot when they were younger.
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The one that just says “Winnipeg Jets” is fine. The hockey sticks one is OK, but pretty bland. The other one is still lousy.
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by Draglikepull on Jul 22, 2011 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Honestly, I hate the name logo the most. crunched S, the pointed J, and the stretched out e. The main logo would look great as a shoulder patch or alt logo, but as a main logo? Meh.
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Their shoulder patch looks good, though.
"We are all agreed that your theory is crazy. The question that divides us is whether it is crazy enough to have a chance of being correct."
- Niels Bohr
Well, their main logo is from this

"We are all agreed that your theory is crazy. The question that divides us is whether it is crazy enough to have a chance of being correct."
- Niels Bohr
You sure?
I thought it was from this:

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(more seriously, like I said – I think that would’ve made for a great shoulder patch – the perfect place to honor history, for a more simple and understated logo. But as a main logo? Meh.)
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I think the one that just says “Winnipeg Jets” looks like it belong on a beer bottle.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 22, 2011 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Why don’t we hold our judgement until the jersey release.
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by happiergilmore on Jul 22, 2011 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions
You can judge a logo and the jersey separately.
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Okay. Well you’re all saying “that’s a horrible jersey logo” so I’M saying, wait until you see the jerseys, then judge the logo from that stance.
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by happiergilmore on Jul 22, 2011 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m just saying that, while I dislike the logo, I could end up liking the jersey. However, liking the jersey doesn’t mean I’ll like the logo.
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I guess, I like them, however I think the font on the word logo is stupid.
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by happiergilmore on Jul 22, 2011 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions
No. Immediate judgement.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 22, 2011 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions
you can find my initial thoughts below jared’s comment
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by happiergilmore on Jul 22, 2011 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions
what a stupid font
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 22, 2011 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions
looks like an overhead of a fat bald man wearing a leaf and plan one his head.
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by happiergilmore on Jul 22, 2011 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
especially if he has no arms
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by happiergilmore on Jul 22, 2011 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, I'll have no problem avoiding purchasing Jets clothing now.
Because these will always be my Jets:

the jets are dead, long live the jets
well at least for 5 years
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 22, 2011 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ve never had any jets. I don’t even have a hot tub.
by Self Destructive Zones on Jul 22, 2011 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Not terrible, not the best. The jet could have been a bit bigger, as there’s a lot of empty space. Also, the maple leaf in the primary logo looks kinda funny. Although I do like the little compass notch pointing true north, even if it is a blatant shout-out to the team’s ownership (even though they’d probably spin it as representing Canada, the true north strong and free).
The one with the hockey sticks is awful..
The one that says jets sort of looks like a beer label, and i guess thats not a bad thing..
The one with the actual jet is the best.
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by Future_considerations on Jul 22, 2011 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Ha there doesn’t seem to be much consensus on whats good and bad… I like the hockey sticks one (as a shoulder patch) but dislike the actual jet one. A lot.
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