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I Thought 'Anchoring' Was For Boats

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As it turns out, the term 'Anchoring' is used to describe a certain logical flaw (or bias) in the way we interpret data. Danny Gray over at The Leafs Nation has a good example:

There is a moment during the Ronco Showtime Rotisserie Informercial that you begin to worry about Ron Popeil. He tells us that "this machine should sell for over $400". But, "you’re not going to spend $400 for it, not $375 or $350. Not $325 or even $300". By the time he gets down to $200 you assume that he’s selling these at a substantial loss, what kind of trouble has Ron gotten himself into? He’s saying you can buy a $400 device that can simultaneously roast 4 chickens for only "4 easy monthly payments of $39.95"; you’d be stupid not too! You just fell victim to the cognitive bias known as Anchoring.

So what does this mean for us as Leafs fans? Read on to find out. (The above photo is a pretty good hint.)

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Leafs Links:

Visual History of Tim Connolly's Injuries
There are a lot of arrows in this image. From Jon S., at Puckin' Eh.

Kris Draper: What a fine career
Michael Langlois over at VLM wishes that Draper had been a Leaf at some point.

NHL Defenseman
Is there a lesson to be learned from the career of Jason Smith and others like him? Lowetide thinks there are a couple. A quasi-Leafs-related link.

Other Hockey Links:

Bettman's salary tops $7.5-million
NHL commissioner's pay has more than doubled since the lockout, according to a SportsBusiness Journal report. From James Mirtle at the Globe.

Looking ahead to 2011-12: Ranking the NHL’s top 25 centers
Nothing starts a pissing contest like a numbered ranking system, based largely on the opinion of one person. From Sam McCraig at PD.

Rangers re-sign Steve Eminger
2-way deal, no mention of cap hit. From the CP at the Globe. (Cap Geek has him penciled in for 800k while he's with the Rangers.)

Report: Kris Draper to announce retirement
It won't be made official until a press conference scheduled for later on today, but if the AP is reporting it at the Globe, it's as good as done.

 

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by ADMIN BOT 3000 on Jul 26, 2011 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

That Tim Connolly pic is hilarious. The guy is made of popsicle sticks

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by maplestirup on Jul 26, 2011 7:48 AM EDT reply actions  

And it doesn’t even mention the black eye that Derek Roy gave him.

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by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jul 26, 2011 7:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Poor Tim Connolly :(

by Ben Schnell on Jul 26, 2011 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

re: Bettman's salary

Here’s a study I did last year looking at the salaries of the commissioners of the Big Four.

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by SkinnyFish on Jul 26, 2011 8:11 AM EDT reply actions  

re: Top 25 centers

While I agree with it for the most part, Vinny at 10? Mike Richards at 12 ahead of Zetterberg? Staal, Bolland, and Backes on the list at all ahead of Stastny, Tavares, and possibly Grabbo?

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by SkinnyFish on Jul 26, 2011 8:20 AM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, Bolland sticks out like a sore thumb Rob Zamuner

by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jul 26, 2011 8:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Until he single handedly pushed the Van-Chi series to a Game 7, did you even know he played center or was more than a 3rd liner? Because I’m sure didn’t. Seems like the author of that piece has a small case of anchoring on his hands.

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by SkinnyFish on Jul 26, 2011 8:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

After the fiasco that was the organization prospect ratings, I’ve decided to ignore rankings that provide no numerical basis.

by stevesmith19 on Jul 26, 2011 8:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

What is meant by “projected performances” I will assume Sam is not basing this soley on counting stats because then the list seems way off. But what advanced stats would have Bolland ahead of Sharp? Plekanec ahead of Tavares, Grabo not even making an honarable mention?

I would love to know what metrics were used to help generate this list.

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by Eterrible on Jul 26, 2011 8:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

He must only watch the games. :’/

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by SkinnyFish on Jul 26, 2011 8:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Even still which teams does he watch?

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by Eterrible on Jul 26, 2011 8:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

If you want to talk advanced stats, Brad Richards shouldn’t even be on this list, Zetterberg should be way higher, Stamkos and Duchene should be much lower, etc.

This is exactly like the prospect ranking article. I’m assigning it zero informative value.

by stevesmith19 on Jul 26, 2011 8:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bolland is tough to judge by advanced numbers since you basically have to look at several numbers and estimate a value for the player. Bolland’s usage is pretty extreme.

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by red army line on Jul 26, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

I just don’t understand his inclusion when he was the 3rd line center on Chicago behind Toews and Sharp.

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by SkinnyFish on Jul 26, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t, either. That list is…pretty not-right.

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by red army line on Jul 26, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not totally sold on Zetterberg being “underrated.” Maybe that’s just because I don’t underrate him, but still seems odd.

by Self Destructive Zones on Jul 26, 2011 8:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Been right about a PPG player for the last 6 seasons, all while playing a mean shutdown game. He’s everything people with Mike Richards could be and then some.

/swoon

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by SkinnyFish on Jul 26, 2011 8:40 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

wish*

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by SkinnyFish on Jul 26, 2011 8:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Except Canadian

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by happiergilmore on Jul 26, 2011 8:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Zetterberg is boss. But underrated he is not.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 26, 2011 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think he is. He can do all what SkinnyFish said, but with very “meh” linemates as well.

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by red army line on Jul 26, 2011 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Some one stops becoming Underrated

when everyone already knows how awesome he is.

There are underrated players, I don’t think Zetterberg is one. I think he’s “Rated”.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 26, 2011 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s the thing. Gretzky said Z is right up there with Sid and AO a couple of years ago. In my mind he’s still a top five center. That’s most certainly not what he gets from the MSM. Babcock trusts Z defensively more than his four time Selke finalist alternative.

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by red army line on Jul 26, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought he was talking about Datsyuk

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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 26, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Something along the lines of both are great, but with a one goal lead final minute I’m throwing Z out there. Then again, he’d likely put out both of them.

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by red army line on Jul 26, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

They both put up great numbers in big minutes against tough competition. I’d give a slight edge to Datsyuk, but really they’re both exceptionally gifted 2-way players.

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by Draglikepull on Jul 26, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don’t worry, we’ll be drafting superstars in the 6th and 7th rounds soon too.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 26, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Josh Nicholls, son

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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 26, 2011 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

If he actually becomes a star and not just some guy who maybe cracks the NHL long enough to convince us he could have skill but then later bombs and gets traded to NYR for a 7th round pick I’ll be ecstatic.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 26, 2011 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Woah, where’d you come up with that scenario!…

by Self Destructive Zones on Jul 26, 2011 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nicholls has already beaten all of mitchells jr totals, so who knows

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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 26, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I read this yesterday…
I just can’t get behind Bolland. Because he had a couple games against the canucks? That’s really all they can say about him and I wasn’t that impressed.. the canucks are a headcase. Besides, if you can only play against one team then you’re useless.
Staal in the 20-25 range I can get behind. Backes, maybe. No Stasty? Tavares was mega low and he’s a lot better than that. I’m not sure about the list at all, though I couldn’t think of anyone that was missing other than Stastny, though if you’re including Backes, you’re right, gotta be starting Grabbo

by Ben Schnell on Jul 26, 2011 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bolland was legitimately brilliant against Vancouver in the 2010 playoffs. Held the Sedins to fewer scoring chances for per minute than the Oilers’ fourth liners.

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by red army line on Jul 26, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

So, kinda like Hamrlik, then? Maybe Bowman should dangle him in front of Gillis.

by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jul 26, 2011 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Heh, I think that ship has sailed. Gillis has his own version in Malhotra.

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by red army line on Jul 26, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Another 7th overall pick (Malholtra that is). Wait, did I just cross the streams there?

by Lemonstyx on Jul 26, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, would you use your average 7th overall pick on Manny Malhotra?

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by red army line on Jul 26, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Malholtra seems to have done alright compared to other 7th overall picks. Certainly not a spectacular career, but better than some (Lars Jonsson, I’m looking at you). I wasn’t making any judgment, just noticing a link to another topic of conversation.

by Lemonstyx on Jul 26, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

That being said, I hope Kadri ends up better than Malholtra. I doubt he’ll ever be as good defensively (although you never know), but I certainly hope he consistently does better than Malhotra’s career high of 35.

by Lemonstyx on Jul 26, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

35 points, obviously, not goals.

by Lemonstyx on Jul 26, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kadri’s first 30 NHL games saw him score 13 points. That put him on pace for 35.5pts over 82.

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by Chemmy on Jul 26, 2011 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, I’m hoping he can improve on that.

by Lemonstyx on Jul 26, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nope. 19 year olds playing limited minutes are already at their peak.

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by Chemmy on Jul 26, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dammit! He’s a bust!

by Lemonstyx on Jul 26, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

buy him out now

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by elseldo on Jul 26, 2011 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Trivia

has anyone on an ELC ever been bought out? / is this allowed?

by Ben Schnell on Jul 26, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can’t imagine a rule against it. I have never heard of it happening, though.

by Lemonstyx on Jul 26, 2011 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well at capgeek’s buyout calculator, you cannot select any players on an ELC so….

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by SkinnyFish on Jul 26, 2011 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is very telling.

You can select Stamkos, but Tavares is not available. Maybe it’s not illegal, but they chose not to include Group I players because there would be no mathematical advantage over demoting the player to the AHL.

by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jul 26, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Stamkos just signed a new contract so you’d be buying out that one. Not an ELC like Tavares.

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by SkinnyFish on Jul 26, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, so the fact that CapGeek doesn’t provide for Tavares to be bought out is very telling.

by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jul 26, 2011 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

SkinnyFish also found the rule that states you can’t buyout an ELC at this point in time. If you are going to do it, it has to happen in the couple of weeks before free agency.

by Lemonstyx on Jul 26, 2011 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that rule seems to apply to all SPCs, but I’ve always been confounded as to the meaning of “regular period”.

Does it include Campoli’s window?

It is my interpretation that there are two regular periods for some teams, but then I can’t recall anyone being bought out mid-season. Maybe the Habs didn’t want to burn one of their limited “outside of regular period” buy-outs on Laraque, or maybe buying him out in January is, in fact, illegal.

That CBA is pretty vague on a lot of issues, but I’ve always been frustrated by the term “regular period”.

by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jul 26, 2011 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

BTW, is Campoli’s window now closed?

His original arb date was set for later this month, but they agreed to move it up since they were going to MacArthur him anyway.

My interpretation is that Chicago can no longer buy anyone out.

by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jul 26, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also, why didn’t Burke qualify Brunnstrom or Irwin? Were they not arb-eligible?

by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jul 26, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also, why didn’t Burke qualify Brunnstrom or Irwin?

Because they suck at hockey.

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by SkinnyFish on Jul 26, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Yeah, but imagine a scenario where Brad Richards signs with the Leafs.

Giving himself the option to buy-out Komisarek or someone would have been worth the risk that Irwin accepts his QO.

by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jul 26, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Buyouts are never the answer. They’re like covering a shitty shingling job with shit brown paint.

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by Tickle Me Aulie on Jul 26, 2011 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Chicago didn’t got to arbitration, therefore no buyout window for them.

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by SkinnyFish on Jul 26, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think they technically did, even though neither party flew to Toronto. The arbitrator just rubber-stamped a $2.5MM award for some reason.

by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jul 26, 2011 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

A “regular period” is about 7 days every 28 days, any longer and you should consult a doctor.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 26, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

That’s gold, Danny. Gold!

by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jul 26, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

There is a rule stating that:

No Club shall exercise an Ordinary Course Buy-out outside the regular period for any Player earning less than $1 million.

So perhaps that’s why because the max ELC contract amount, salary only, is only $900k?

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by SkinnyFish on Jul 26, 2011 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

That rule says you can’t do it “outside the regular period”. The regular period, I believe, refers to a 2-week window just before free agency when buyouts are supposed to take place. This rule doesn’t seem to preclude buyouts of ELCs in that time.

by Lemonstyx on Jul 26, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Truth. So yeah, I guess it’s possible though why would you?

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by SkinnyFish on Jul 26, 2011 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Buying out a player you could cheaply stuff in the minors makes no sense. I can’t look up the details now, but my guess is that it would actually cost less money to place a player on an ELC in the minors than it would to buy them out, and you’d save yourself the cap hit of a buyout too.

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by Draglikepull on Jul 26, 2011 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, ELCs are two way contacts.

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by red army line on Jul 26, 2011 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

And waiver exempt, so only reason for a buyout would be if you’re up at the fifty contract limit.

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by red army line on Jul 26, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

It does seem like a very unlikely thing to happen, especially now that Darryl Sutter isn’t a GM anymore.

by Lemonstyx on Jul 26, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

HE WAS 20!!! ANCIENT!

by WizardofNaz on Jul 26, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

shit that means he’ll be on the decline next year
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by Ben Schnell on Jul 26, 2011 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice piece on anchoring bias. Might need to look up that study and the book.

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I agree, a good read to start the day.

by the_walrus on Jul 26, 2011 8:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks fellas. You should definitely check out the book. Lots of good stories and he tries to give practical advice as well.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 26, 2011 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

I learned about it heavily in 1st year psyche but it’s one of those things that even if you’re aware of it, it still seems to influence a lot of decisions. I’m shocked at how often I find myself (and others) getting caught by it.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 26, 2011 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, the Ronco Rotisserie is a good example. Also when places display two prices a say an item is “on sale”. They don’t lower the price just put an arbitrary one higher. Winners does that a lot. “Compare at” and you think “oh man I’m saving $80!” Meanwhile you have no idea how much it’s actually worth.
Another lesson is that agents should basically start as high as possible when asking for compensation.
Or ask the arbiter to think of the last two digits of his social security number.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 26, 2011 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think—I’m not sure, but I think—that the practice you’ve attributed to Winners is illegal.

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by The '67 Sound on Jul 26, 2011 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

I know Suzy Sheir got nailed for having fake “Sales” a few years back. They’d just stick a sale tag on an item and add a fake regular price.

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by elseldo on Jul 26, 2011 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, exactly. It happens but it’s not a standard practice or anything.

I think what’s more common is that there’s a MSRP that is almost never actually charged by the retailer. I see that a lot with high end sporting goods (e.g. skis).

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by The '67 Sound on Jul 26, 2011 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

re: Sporting Goods

I worked in the sports section at Canadian Tire for 3 years in high school. We were able to look up the cost price for all of the items on the computer. There was one bike, that looked all fancy with an “aluminum frame” (only the frame was aluminum, the thing weighed a ton), and big shocks etc. This bike was on “sale” for $199.99 (down from 299.99) almost every week. The thing cost the store $78. We sold a TON of them.

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by Shield on Jul 26, 2011 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

One of my friends works in a sports store, and the marks ups on smaller things such as tennis balls is only about 15%, but things like basketballs, tennis racquets and cricket bats have almost a 70% markup, it’s ridiculous

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by PKSube on Jul 26, 2011 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, the only things that are a bigger rip off than sports equipment are HDMI cables.

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by Shield on Jul 26, 2011 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

So true. Bought mine for $6 on Amazon.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 26, 2011 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

I bought a GBC link cable off Amazon for $6 a few days ago. Now I can battle my friend in Pokemon Red *BOSTONSMUGFACE

by Ben Schnell on Jul 26, 2011 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

And do the thing where you unplug it at the exact right time during a trade so you both get the Pokemon from the other person without giving yours up??

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by Shield on Jul 26, 2011 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

lol, at cost they are $15

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by thenumber14 on Jul 26, 2011 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

The most expensive one I’ve got cost me $30, and only because I knew I’d be connecting/disconnecting it a lot.

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by Shield on Jul 26, 2011 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

HDMI’s are such a rip off.

by Ben Schnell on Jul 26, 2011 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Don’t confuse cost with MSRP. If you can make money selling those bikes for less than $199.99 I suggest you do so.

I don’t mean to be a dick, I’m just making a point that you can’t see a big margin and immediately assume “rip-off”. Overhead’s a bitch yo.

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by The '67 Sound on Jul 26, 2011 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Definitely. Sony sells the PS3 at a loss.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 26, 2011 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Really? That’s interesting. I’m assuming they make their money on the games? I guess you can’t buy games without the system . . .

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by nolan_21 on Jul 26, 2011 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hardware like controllers, move etc, plus additional online content. They are actually looking to move away from physical games as they lose a tonne of money to the used game market. Game Stop makes a killing.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 26, 2011 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Game licensing

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by SkinnyFish on Jul 26, 2011 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Console manufacturers make money off physical game sales. I don’t know the exact figure, but I’ve heard it’s about $15 from each new game sale goes to the console manufacturer as a licensing fee.

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by Draglikepull on Jul 26, 2011 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thats why Segha got out of consoles.

 churning out consoles were costing them too much and there was now an extra competitors (SOny, Microsoft) that had money coming in from more profitable ventures so they decided to just stick with games.

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by elseldo on Jul 26, 2011 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sony now makes money on the PS3
There are two components to the cost of a technical thingy like a game consol – R&D and manufacturing (this is a bit of a simplification) been accounting for a portion of the millions in R&D on each PS3 sale – meaning the were selling at a loss. Now that cost has been accounted for, the only cost is the cost of manufacturing. The PS3 would now be a profit-maker.

by Halifax_NS on Jul 26, 2011 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ah, I was under the impression they were still selling them at a loss. My mistake.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 26, 2011 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

they were for a while when blu-rays were like 1000 bucks or whatever

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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 26, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

This isn’t quite true. At first even the actual physical hardware cost more than the console sold for. But they’ve been able to drastically reduce the cost of parts such that they make a small profit on each console now.

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by Draglikepull on Jul 26, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

You’re right…cost was over $710 US in the beginning just to manufacture. Dropped to $210 US by 2009.

http://www.geek.com/articles/games/sony-says-ps3-manufacturing-costs-now-70-lower-20090731/

by Halifax_NS on Jul 26, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

That was definitely the case when it first came out. Not sure if it’s true anymore considering how long they’ve been making them for. They must’ve found cost-efficiencies by now.

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by T is for Truculence on Jul 26, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s true, but I was more focusing on how it was listed as being $100 off, when really the bike was a piece of junk. Personally I’d always try and steer people towards one of the few good models of bike that we carried.

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by Shield on Jul 26, 2011 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, the buyer definitely needs to beware.

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by The '67 Sound on Jul 26, 2011 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh yeah, generally speaking, the responsibility lies with the consumer.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 26, 2011 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

That’s actually a job where I felt I learned a lot. So many people are distracted by the big “sale” and the shiny bike that they don’t look at how crappy everything else about it really is. I leave that job on my resume even though it’s from high school because I love getting asked about it.

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by Shield on Jul 26, 2011 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Dude, you’re from Brantford if I’m not mistaken right?

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by Ghostsof on Jul 26, 2011 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Dude being Shield lol

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by Ghostsof on Jul 26, 2011 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

No, Burlington; close though (if only in a geographical and alphabetical sense).

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by Shield on Jul 26, 2011 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ha, me too. Were you at the Canadian Tire by Burlington Mall?

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by The '67 Sound on Jul 26, 2011 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes I was, I worked there for a year as a cart/carryout boy before getting promoted to sports.

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by Shield on Jul 26, 2011 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

I knew it started with a B lol. I spent quite a few years at the Canadian Tire in Brantford and was friends with all the people in the sports department and was wondering if I’d known you for quite some time now

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by Ghostsof on Jul 26, 2011 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

I spent a year in Brantford one month, and commuted to somewhere in or around Hamilton (I dunno, I wasn’t fuckin’ driving). I was helping my uncle build a chip wagon out of a school bus and was sent to Canadian Tire frequently for supplies.

by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jul 26, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

It’s weird how small the PPP world is.

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by Shield on Jul 26, 2011 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Softmoc has a “sale” where anything regular price is 50% off and the “sale” stickers are as is.

the ones with sale stickers are the best stuff (Sperrys , uggs, awesome moccasins) and the price never changed for their original price.

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by thenumber14 on Jul 26, 2011 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

The retailer must have recorded sales at the “regular” price to claim it as such. Artificially inflating the “regular” price to show savings is illegal. Hence you see “compare at” or “suggested price”.

by Halifax_NS on Jul 26, 2011 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m sure in some instance the “comparable” prices may be correct, but most people are unaware and get sucked into buying something for the “savings”.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 26, 2011 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

The thing with Winners is their “compare at” price is basically the highest price that the item was sold for when it first came out, not the real price you’d pay at the store it’s usually sold in. I’ve bought things at Winners and seen them at Sears for $10 less within an hour.

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by Shield on Jul 26, 2011 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Fashion

also tends to have unreal MSRP or “retail” prices and are just constantly on sale. If they sold at full price all the time they’d be making like 5x markup on cost.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 26, 2011 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

ADMIN BOT 3000???!?1

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by thenumber14 on Jul 26, 2011 8:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, well he’s cool too I guess… Happy Birthday weekday dad.

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by thenumber14 on Jul 26, 2011 8:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

George Bernard Shaw
Mick Jagger
Helen Mirren
Kevin Spacey
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by elseldo on Jul 26, 2011 8:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Rick Martin would have been 60 years old today.

Also, I’m going to guess that Alec Martinez is PPP’s long-lost twin.

by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jul 26, 2011 8:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I guess I should have specified fraternal, not identical.

by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jul 26, 2011 8:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

just wait until you find out what "docking" is...ugh

don’t urban dictionary that at work by the way.

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by thenumber14 on Jul 26, 2011 9:16 AM EDT reply actions  

I thought only people as old as me relied upon Tosh to learn about things the rest of you memed into the dirt months earlier. Today I learned that the crying wrestling fan was famous long before I saw last night’s rerun.

by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jul 26, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Trivia:

Which two players played 83 games this year? No cheating!

by Ben Schnell on Jul 26, 2011 9:20 AM EDT reply actions  

David Backes is one.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 26, 2011 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

And Brad Boyes.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 26, 2011 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yup, I remember seeing that when I was compiling comparables and thinking it was a typo ’til I figured it out.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 26, 2011 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

I just figured it out now.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 26, 2011 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wait, it’s not Backes, Boyes for sure.
I think Babcyuck might be the other.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 26, 2011 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Can’t be Backes, he wasn’t traded. Has to be someone who was traded between conferences.

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by SkinnyFish on Jul 26, 2011 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think it was Goligoski

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by happiergilmore on Jul 26, 2011 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

It doesn’t have to be between conferences it just has to be to a team that has a game in hand on the original team.

For instance if on Jan 14th the Islanders have played 50 games and the Leafs have only played 49 games when We acquire John Tavares he will get to play in 83 games, and they are in the same conference.

by WizardofNaz on Jul 26, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

83 NHL regular season games, or NHL+Minors?

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by fair_n_hite_451 on Jul 26, 2011 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

reg season, they were traded and the teams played an uneven amount of games.

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by elseldo on Jul 26, 2011 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Like in 09-10, Ian White played 83.

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by SkinnyFish on Jul 26, 2011 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Eric Johnson?

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by PKSube on Jul 26, 2011 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Goligoski isn’t he one?

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by happiergilmore on Jul 26, 2011 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Gagnant!

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by happiergilmore on Jul 26, 2011 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m surprised how easy it was for you guys to guess that

by Ben Schnell on Jul 26, 2011 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was doing some research on hockey reference yesterday.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 26, 2011 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

I just tried to remember one East → West trade and I remember hearing Goligoski was playing an extra game and I knew Neal missed some time

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by happiergilmore on Jul 26, 2011 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Who set the record for most GPs in a season?

by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jul 26, 2011 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

It took me a while to realize that James Carson is (of course) Jimmy Carson.

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by Lemonstyx on Jul 26, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know both Avery and Hagman have played 84 game seasons, but didn’t the season used to be 84 games at one point?

by Ben Schnell on Jul 26, 2011 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Rem Murray played 85 games during an 82-game campaign.

by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jul 26, 2011 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

So did Bill Guerin.

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by SkinnyFish on Jul 26, 2011 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Fuckin’ warrior, that one.

by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jul 26, 2011 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes at one point the league had 84 game seasons back when teams were playing neutral site games.

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by torleafsfan29 on Jul 27, 2011 9:19 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Funny thing about hockey-reference is you go for one purpose and often come away with some juicy facts about something you had no intention of looking for in the first place.

Crazy would be NOT overanalyzing everything.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 26, 2011 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

It’s a terrific website.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 26, 2011 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Behind the Net too but sometimes the amount of data there just hurts my head.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 26, 2011 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

It’s like the wikipedia of hockey. This site does that sometimes too, yesterday I came to PPP to read about hockey and ended up learning about that awesome Grelling-Nelson Paradox.

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by Shield on Jul 26, 2011 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Kadri

I really hate it when people constantly compare Kadri to his draft class. What if Ovechkin and Malkin lead his class, then what? How good Kadri is and will be is TBD, but how he is progressing depends on him, not the rest of the schlubbs in his draft class. I compare him to him.

by dsciswe on Jul 26, 2011 10:39 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Who are you and what have you done with the real dsciswe?

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by SkinnyFish on Jul 26, 2011 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

ADMINBOT’D.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 26, 2011 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think he and I were involved in some rote Hollywood body-switching adventure, because I have no problem with comparing Kadri (or anyone else), to anyone else.

by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jul 26, 2011 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

It’s not the comparison in and of itself. He can be compared to other’s, just that draft position is a poor measure of his value.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 26, 2011 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

also manages the unrealistic expectations of the fans who call him a bust already

by Beleaf on Jul 26, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly. Not all 7th overall picks are Jeff Skinner.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 26, 2011 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Jamie Lundmark

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by SkinnyFish on Jul 26, 2011 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, even if Kadri is slightly behind the curve for his class, or for his overall draft position relative to other years, anyone calling anyone a bust at that age is foolish.

And besides, the sample sizes of anyone that young virtually guarantee wild fluctuations in any rankings, such that at this time next year, Kadri could easily find himself slightly ahead of the curve.

by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jul 26, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Trivia

Two other Leafs were picked 7th overall. Who are they?

by Lemonstyx on Jul 26, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

How ’bout sons of Leafs?

by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jul 26, 2011 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Who are you thinking of here?

by Lemonstyx on Jul 26, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

No way, I had no idea Sittler had a kid, let alone a kid chosen 7th overall

by Self Destructive Zones on Jul 26, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh man, I totally forgot about Ryan Sittler. The list of 7th overall picks that didn’t amount to much is pretty long…

by Lemonstyx on Jul 26, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

ADMIN BOT 2000 WAS CHOSEN 7TH IN THE ADMIN BOT DRAFT [end]

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by ADMIN BOT 3000 on Jul 26, 2011 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

ahh…A bit of admin bot was just the thing i needed to turn my day around,.

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by elseldo on Jul 26, 2011 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

If not for his early September manufacturing date, he would surely have gone Top-3 in the 2001 draft.

by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jul 26, 2011 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

If injuries hadn’t hobbled him, they might have given Bobby and Brett a run for their money.

by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jul 26, 2011 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Correct! Komisarek was 2001 and Lupul was 2002. I for one would be very happy if Kadri develops into a player like Lupul (without the health problems).

by Lemonstyx on Jul 26, 2011 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Exact same thought

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by leafer1984 on Jul 26, 2011 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Puck Daddy article about the Shannahan/Stevens deal was interesting. Had no idea he initially refused to report. Oh man if Stevens had stayed in St. Louis. Hope E. Johnson doesn’t become the next Stevens.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 26, 2011 10:47 AM EDT reply actions  

Yeah I agree, I enjoyed that article. Scott Stevens sure was involved in some pretty crazy transactions back when he was a younger man.

by Self Destructive Zones on Jul 26, 2011 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

maybe being forced to move to NJ gave him the extra anger to channel into his hits.

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by elseldo on Jul 26, 2011 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

One of the reasons why the current NHL CBA specifies compensation for RFA signings.

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by SkinnyFish on Jul 26, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah trying to sort that process out made my head hurt.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 26, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah that was maybe the most interesting thing I found about that whole scenario. I had no idea that was the kind of system that used to be in place for RFA’s.

by Self Destructive Zones on Jul 26, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

That shit was catnip for us old timey bloggers.

Oh, the hours spent on the typewriter / at the post office, plotting all the plausible scenarios; assigning each its own probability of (a) being submitted and (b) being accepted. Now all we get to do is ponder the comparables for a guy like Jannik Hansen or Mark Fraser, and even then, 90% of the time the cases get settled out of court.

But imagine a month of speculation surrounding what Vanek might fetch, after hearing that he’d been poached.

by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jul 26, 2011 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh doctor that would be fun.
The Stamkos compensation speculation would have been off the hook.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 26, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

ADMIN BOT 3000, I have a question

If we were to start up a PPP beer league hockey team, what position would you be best suited for?

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by thenumber14 on Jul 26, 2011 11:30 AM EDT reply actions  

COACH [end]

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by ADMIN BOT 3000 on Jul 26, 2011 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Uh oh...

More masthead changes…

by Halifax_NS on Jul 26, 2011 12:32 PM EDT reply actions  

AB3K got Chemmy!

good thing I already have my Gold Star.

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by elseldo on Jul 26, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’d just like to take this opportunity to make it clear that I’ve always believed the robots were our future.

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by Draglikepull on Jul 26, 2011 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Teach them well and let them lead the way

by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jul 26, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks Whitney, although shouldn’t that be “program them well”?

by Lemonstyx on Jul 26, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Probably. I dunno. I’m not a doctor.

by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jul 26, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

It definitely doesn’t sound as nice when you sing it.

by Lemonstyx on Jul 26, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

You’ve obviously never heard me sing the theme from The Bodyguard (or is that the song we’re talking about, I forget)

by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jul 26, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s a different song, but I’m sure you sing it almost as well as Whitney herself, perhaps even better.

What I meant to say was “program them well” doesn’t roll off the tongue quite as nicely as “teach them well”.

by Lemonstyx on Jul 26, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

So you didn’t mean to punch the word ‘you’?

And here I thought that things were about to come to fisticuffs.

by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jul 26, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, I didn’t – that was just sloppy writing on my part. I should have written ‘one’, not ‘you’.

Whew Violent altercation narrowly averted!

by Lemonstyx on Jul 26, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Even if you had emphasized the word ‘you’, it would be possible to blame it all on SBN auto-formatting to avoid my wrath.

by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jul 26, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

FUTURE PAST AND PRESENT. [end]

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by ADMIN BOT 3000 on Jul 26, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

ADMIN BOT, why aren’t you on Twitter?

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 26, 2011 1:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Good point, he could easily infiltrate reach out to many other computers.

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by elseldo on Jul 26, 2011 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

That article was very interesting.

I was always wondering why people seemed so low on Kadri’s development, even though many who have watched him play and/or analyzed his stats suggest he’s progressing as well or better than expected.

Plus, it provides another argument I could use against the people supporting Osgood into the HHoF! =D

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by Frag on Jul 26, 2011 1:44 PM EDT reply actions  

I’d like to see a study on the effects of anchoring on the Price is Right’s contestant’s row.

Toss out all the $1 bids and the x + 1 dollar bids and look at how the newest contestant (i.e. the first bidder) influences the other bids. Sometimes, you see two rounds of bidding with all four contestants going over, before someone finally makes a one dollar bid, so in those cases, you gotta think the 2nd, 3rd and 4th bidders were anchoring their bids to the newbie’s.

by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jul 26, 2011 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

That would be really interesting. I’d imagine that they would have an effect.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 26, 2011 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

But where do you draw the line on how low you can go or how much over an opponent’s guess you can go? Saying something like $25 increments would work, but say there’s a case that a person knows exactly what the price of something is, then they’d be screwed.

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by SkinnyFish on Jul 26, 2011 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

True, you could maybe figure out the average bid over the show. Then see if the initial bid affects the subsequent ones.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 26, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Take into account that the average Price is Right viewer/contestant is stupid. They’d never figure that out. That being said, $901.

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by SkinnyFish on Jul 26, 2011 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

hey…..

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by elseldo on Jul 26, 2011 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wonder how many of Ariely’s test subjects (MIT undergrads) are also Price is Right competitors….

by Lemonstyx on Jul 26, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

You’d need a microscope to find that section of the Venn Diagram.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 26, 2011 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wonder. There always seem to be a lot of undergrads on The Price is Right. And I could see MIT students wearing sweaters from other schools. Sort of like how Americans wear the Canadian flag when travelling.

by Lemonstyx on Jul 26, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Are you suggesting that Don Pardo wouldn’t call their names unless he thought they went to Arizona State? Or worse yet, Vasser?

by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jul 26, 2011 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ve had just about enough of your misspellings, young man.

by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jul 26, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

And by young man, I of course mean me.

And by young, I of course mean, in relation to Bob Barker.

by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jul 26, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

The price is wrong, bitch!

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by Frag on Jul 26, 2011 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Chapelle quote?

I just watched a skit I had somehow never seen before, where the various racial groups held a televised dispersal draft. The Asians got a steal by grabbing the entire Wu Tang Clan with a late first-rounder.

by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jul 26, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Happy Gilmore.

come on!

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by elseldo on Jul 26, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Arrested Development?

I’m not very good at this, am I?

by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jul 26, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

that one was correct.

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by elseldo on Jul 26, 2011 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love the racial draft…

by WizardofNaz on Jul 26, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5L6Uz67u4xM

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by Frag on Jul 26, 2011 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

You need to stop whatever the fuck you’re doing and make sure you haven’t missed any more Chappelle sketches.

They’re gold, Jerry! Gold!

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by Tickle Me Aulie on Jul 26, 2011 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

They can barely comply with the “You can’t bid the same amount as someone else” rule…

And when everyone overbids they bid too much the second time.

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by Ubiquitous on Jul 26, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love when the last person to bid decides to bid more than everyone else, but instead of just going a dollar more than the highest goes a few hundred more.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 26, 2011 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hate that, it drives me batty, how stupid do you have to be!

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by Eterrible on Jul 26, 2011 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Same with the showcase showdown. When one person obviously overbids and the other tries to get as close as possible as well.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 26, 2011 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

THEY WANT BOTH!!11

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by Shield on Jul 26, 2011 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, the worst is when someone bids like $50 under the highest bid.

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by Shield on Jul 26, 2011 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

That too, would love to see a video of stupid price is right bids.
This guy bid $250,000 on his showcase, oh wow.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 26, 2011 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

that ladies name is “Gay”… really?

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by Matt_Roberts on Jul 26, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like the uber rare occurrence of the first Showcase featuring, like, a car and a boat and a trip around the world, and then the top-seeded contestant thinks for awhile and then decides to pass.

Like the next one is going to have two cars or something.

by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jul 26, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

hahah, i know eh. Then the next one is like… a new patio set and a brand new cooler!

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by Matt_Roberts on Jul 26, 2011 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s your bid…we have decided that your are too stupid for this game show and have relegated to a game show more "your speed" welcome to press your luck or Hollywood squares, where people even more stupid come to play.
What would the minor leagues of games shows be?

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by Eterrible on Jul 26, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Supermarket sweep

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by elseldo on Jul 26, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

That show was awesome.
Also, Kidstreet.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 26, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

When you’re at the supermarket and hear the beep,
Just think of all the fun you could have on Supermarket Sweep!

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by SkinnyFish on Jul 26, 2011 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pretty much any Canadian game show, except Reach For The Top.

by Lemonstyx on Jul 26, 2011 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was a contestant on Video & Arcade Top 10. I came in 2nd place.

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by Draglikepull on Jul 26, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME, YOU NEED TO BLOG ABOUT THIS RIGHT THE FUCK NOW.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 26, 2011 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hah, blog about it where? This is a hockey blog, and I don’t have a personal blog.

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by Draglikepull on Jul 26, 2011 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

It doesn’t matter. Tell us all about it in the CC!

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 26, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I didn’t see a CC today. Where is it?

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by Draglikepull on Jul 26, 2011 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Use yesterday’s

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by Shield on Jul 26, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I had 2 friends who were on it. That show was aces

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by leafer1984 on Jul 26, 2011 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

WHAT? I used to watch that all the time. Tha’s crazee!

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by Shield on Jul 26, 2011 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was on Reach for the Top twice. Our team got beaten each time because the TV round starts filming at about 9 a.m., and we were apparently not morning people at my school.

by Peter Lynn on Jul 26, 2011 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice! Please tell me that Alex Trebec was the host and that he yelled at you!

by Lemonstyx on Jul 26, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Someone here has been on Jeopardy as well.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 26, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

A buddy and me were on Uh Oh once.

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by thenumber14 on Jul 26, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Best I’ve got is coming in 2nd in the local Brainstorm tournament on PBS. It’s like 3-man Jeopardy for high schools.

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by SkinnyFish on Jul 26, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

When we did “speeches” in Elementary school I advanced to the Legion. Boom!

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 26, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wore shorts with a shirt, tie, and sportcoat because it was really how during the competition. At the very end we stand up for handshakes and BAM! shorts.

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by SkinnyFish on Jul 26, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have no idea what “speeches” is, but I competed in the Canadian Improv Games in high school.

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by Draglikepull on Jul 26, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m losing my gold star for that, aren’t I?

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by Draglikepull on Jul 26, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Has anyone figured out what the binary says on that gold star?

by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jul 26, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

In elementary school. Public speaking.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 26, 2011 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Being on Jeopardy is something I definitely want to do one day.

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by Shield on Jul 26, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who’s been on Jeopardy? My only claim to fame was being on Bozo the Clown once. I was an almost winner.

Either you have an enviable memory, or a pitiable life, to know nothing of regret.
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by GreatKingRat on Jul 26, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

being on Bozo the Clown onc

That sounds wrong.

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by Shield on Jul 26, 2011 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don’t judge me.

Either you have an enviable memory, or a pitiable life, to know nothing of regret.
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by GreatKingRat on Jul 26, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

speaking of game shows….

Where do “reality” shows that have prizes fall (Survivor, Amazing Race)? i consider them game shows, since the contestants are playing a game, the Emmy category is “reality show – competition”

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by elseldo on Jul 26, 2011 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

The only difference between survivor and game shows is one is filmed in a studio and one is not.

On the Mike Weber bandwagon!
I hate Christian Ehrhoff because he should have been Tomas Kaberle.

by Ubiquitous on Jul 26, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Next, you’ll be telling us that they filmed the moon landing on the actual moon.

by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jul 26, 2011 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guessed $20K for that guy’s showcase without ever watching that episode before… I should be on that show!

Nonetheless, that’s a hilarious overbid.

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- Niels Bohr

by Frag on Jul 26, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Speaking of a dollar more, why does the winning wagerer on Jeopardy always bid to beat the nearest competitor by a buck when a tie would result in both being allowed to keep their winnings and share 1st place?

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by GreatKingRat on Jul 26, 2011 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

So that they are the clear winner and don’t have to face equal competition again?

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by SkinnyFish on Jul 26, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

To be a dick.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 26, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ve considered this, but the next two opponents are just as likely to be top notch and you have already shown the ability to beat this one. Why not bring him/her along to the next competition while at the same time heaping thousands of dollars on them at NBC’s expense.

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by GreatKingRat on Jul 26, 2011 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

During the commercial break, I would make them an offer for their wallet and watch.

by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jul 26, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why does Glenn Sather always outbid other GMs on UFAs by $3 or 4 million when he could just outbid them by a few hundred K and get the player and not drive up NHL salaries? Shit just don’t make sense.

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by Shield on Jul 26, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

see the comment made by "Plea From A Cat Named Felix " in reponse to “Stinkyfish” above

Bam Bam.- digga digga damm

by Eterrible on Jul 26, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

in reponse to "Stinkyfish" above

lol

Crazy would be NOT overanalyzing everything.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 26, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s not very nice.

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by SkinnyFish on Jul 26, 2011 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know, I’m sure that is not what I typed, I blame Adminbot3000

Bam Bam.- digga digga damm

by Eterrible on Jul 26, 2011 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Say there’s a case that a person knows exactly what the price of something is, then they’d be screwed.

On the bright side, they’d get to put their hand into Bob Barker’s pants pocket, so it all works out in the end.

by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jul 26, 2011 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bob Barker’s Drew Carey’s pants pocket

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by elseldo on Jul 26, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’d like to see a study on the effects of anchoring on the Price is Right’s contestant’s row.

That’s exactly what I was thinking when I first read about anchoring. Get out of my head!

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by Frag on Jul 26, 2011 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Only if I can get into your car.

by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jul 26, 2011 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

He said nothing about his dreams.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 26, 2011 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

.

"We are all agreed that your theory is crazy. The question that divides us is whether it is crazy enough to have a chance of being correct."
- Niels Bohr

by Frag on Jul 26, 2011 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Damn that Chinatown cover act, Billy Laotian, for teaching me the wrong lyrics.

by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jul 26, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

we need Leafs news.

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by birky on Jul 26, 2011 2:06 PM EDT reply actions  

The Maple Leafs will be playing the Burlington Twins in the 1st round of the palyoffs.

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by elseldo on Jul 26, 2011 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Screw you and your IBL

by WizardofNaz on Jul 26, 2011 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

fine. here’s a Leafs article from 1942

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by elseldo on Jul 26, 2011 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

here’s another from 1978 - back when the Ottawa papers werne’t forced to go against Ottawa residents wishes and badmouth the Leafs

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by elseldo on Jul 26, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

They should’ve sprung for an iAdmin instead of an Admin Bot 3000; it would probably be able to find a lot more Leafs news than this crappy bot.

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by Shield on Jul 26, 2011 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

You mean besides players tweets about golf-courses and working-out?

Ulmer wrote a decent piece about Burke at MapleLeafs.com this morning (don’t think it got linked above), but no real “news”…

by The Muppet on Jul 26, 2011 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ask and you shall receive

Clark-McSorley fight on the front page.

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by SkinnyFish on Jul 26, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

So we talk a lot about how players peak in their mid-20s, etc. I just realised last year 7 of the top 10 scorers in the NHL last year were 30+.

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by Draglikepull on Jul 26, 2011 5:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Oh snap.

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by SkinnyFish on Jul 26, 2011 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sedins played together, St. Louis and Stamkos, Selanne and Perry are on the same team, not sure if they really played together, that leaves Iginla, Ovie, Richards and Zetterberg.

That’s pretty funny that you bring that up. If you expand to top 20 or even 30, it’s dominantly 20 year olds though.

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by happiergilmore on Jul 26, 2011 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Perry was pretty much locked in with Getzlaf and Ryan when they were all healthy.

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