Colborne The Steal of the Kaberle Trade?
by SkinnyFish on Aug 17, 2011 7:00 AM EDT
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PrintJust to be clear, I recognize that young Joe Colborne was not a "throw-in" in the trade that saw Tomas Kaberle move to the Bruins (a deal that should pay dividends for the Leafs long after Kaberle is retired…). But with a new season not far off, that late-season deal from this past spring got me thinking about another late-season Toronto roster move that paid big dividends, too—just not for the Leafs.....
Then Leaf GM and coach Punch Imlach tossed another young player into the deal. The Red Wings had wanted Mike Walton very badly. Walton had helped the Leafs win the Stanley Cup just the season before. But Imlach wouldn’t part with Walton, and the Wings then pushed for a youngster just up from the junior ranks—Garry Unger.
Find out about the player Garry Unger became, not for the Leafs, over at VLM. The rest of your links are below.
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Oh summer…when we can get so bored we start making an olympic team for 3 years from now.
That being said, I see no issues with retaining our title on Sochi
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 17, 2011 7:39 AM EDT up reply actions
If the NHL doesn’t participate, do we get stuck with Spengler Cup types?
by Self Destructive Zones on Aug 17, 2011 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions
I’ve heard lots of people say it was more fun back when it was amateurs and you got to see guys you’ve never heard of before.
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by happiergilmore on Aug 17, 2011 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Obviously it’s fun seeing NHLers, but we watch them every week anyways. It’s the rest of the world that they’re putting NHL players in the Olympics for, not us.
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by happiergilmore on Aug 17, 2011 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t agree at all. It lets us cheer for the BEST Canadian players. Honestly its nice to cheer for a team that had Nash-Crosby-Iginla as a top line.
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by BCapp on Aug 17, 2011 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You DO know that most Olympic athletes aren’t “professional” athletes. They obviously do that sport, but lots hold down other jobs, because it just doesn’t pay that well. Stuff like hockey and basketball are actually the outliers, not every other sport.
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by happiergilmore on Aug 17, 2011 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions
But they are still the best in the world at what they do…
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Yes but they didn’t let NHL players play so we can see them play overseas for two weeks, they want to give the exposure to everyone else in the world that doesn’t usually see them
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by happiergilmore on Aug 17, 2011 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions
It’s more of the latter. What do we need to see them play 4 games overseas for when we could watch them play like 6-7 games in North America. Obviously having them all on one team is attractive, but think of people in Finland, Sweden and Russia who don’t really see NHL players like we don’t see KHL, SEL or SM Liiga players.
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by happiergilmore on Aug 17, 2011 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, it’s great for those people to see them overseas and it gives the NHL exposure, but having NHLers also boosts hockey viewership in NA which can translate to boosted NHL viewership.
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I think you may be in the minority here. There is no comparison between 6 regular season games and 4 games of the Olympics.
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by elseldo on Aug 17, 2011 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That was silly and probably shouldn’t have included that, but my point remains that we can watch them anytime. People in Scandinavia can’t. It’s not for us, it’s for them
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by happiergilmore on Aug 17, 2011 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions
I really just don’t agree. I don’t think I would be any more passionate about the mens olympic hockey team, than I am about the women’s olympic hockey team if it was all amateurs.
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Obviously none of you enjoy the Spengler cup…
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by happiergilmore on Aug 17, 2011 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions
is it televised? has to compete with the WJC
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by happiergilmore on Aug 17, 2011 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions
I was once at a bar and trying to figure out why the Canadians were playing the Americans when I knew they crushed the Swiss like 3 hours earlier. I was wondering if they either gave the Canadians a double header, or if it was the women’s world junior. I later looked it up and realized its a tournament I have never heard of where a couple local teams in Europe play other national teams…
In other news I believe Turco played in it during the lockout.
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Thornton, Nash (I think) and many others played in the Swiss League during the lockout. St. Louis too I think
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by happiergilmore on Aug 17, 2011 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Its kinda hard to get excited about..Mark Bell and Josh Holden?!
by Self Destructive Zones on Aug 17, 2011 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah but not NHL players. As Skinny mentioned, if you want all amateurs you’d have to take Bantam or OHL players
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by happiergilmore on Aug 17, 2011 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Actually, I don’t think OHL players would be considered amateurs were we to go back to the old ways. They’re not amateurs by NCAA standards, which follow closely the international guidelines.
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Looks like we’re stuck with retirees from competitive action. Just like Figure Skating.
by Self Destructive Zones on Aug 17, 2011 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Wait, the opposite of Figure Skating?
by Self Destructive Zones on Aug 17, 2011 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Probably not
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by happiergilmore on Aug 17, 2011 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Ehn, I’d rather see 6 regular season Leafs games than any of Team Canada’s games in the Olympics prior to the semi-finals.
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by Draglikepull on Aug 17, 2011 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t know if they are truly outliers any more. A lot of them are now able to live off prize money and sponsorship.
To name a few: ski racing, snowboard cross, sprinters, etc all the best do their sport professionally.
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There aren’t many. If you look at most athletes, they don’t make enough money from the sport unless they win Gold and get sweet sponsorship deals.
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by happiergilmore on Aug 17, 2011 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions
But they’re still the best in the world at their sport, despite the fact no one can make a living rowing or some such.
I never said they weren’t…
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by happiergilmore on Aug 17, 2011 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions
It really depends on the sport
Sprinting they can and competitive bicycle racing is the second biggest sport (behind soccer) in many parts of Europe. Its not just the team sports.
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You’ve named like 5 or 6 sports. Think of how many events there are
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by happiergilmore on Aug 17, 2011 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m not arguing that. I am just saying it annoys me that basketball and hockey get singled out when there are other sports to. Ban Phelps from competing to as he has earned money at his races and his sponsorship deal is probably more than the entire Canadian Rowing team makes at home hardware or wherever they work.
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What? Phelps swimming isn’t the same…
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by happiergilmore on Aug 17, 2011 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Does it matter though? I might be compelled to watch amateurs compete in a sport that they’re the best at since it’s not professionally viable, but I don’t want to see sixth stringer hockey players. The Olympics also want to make money, don’t they?
I’m not saying it matters one way or another, I’ve only been alive for contemporary Olympic hockey
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by happiergilmore on Aug 17, 2011 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions
The weirdest thing is the difference between amateur and professional figure skating. As far as I can tell, the only difference is that amateurs can’t skate in shows and be paid for skating. In other words, the only thing separating a amateur figure skater from a professional figure skater is Disney On Ice.
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You'd be surprised
Rowing Canada gets a good amount of funding these days
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That was just a guess off the top of my head. I am under the impression that most Olympic hopeful athletes from 1st world countries get enough funding to train full time.
In most of the "big" sports anyways
You’d be pretty right I think.
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Not the luge-type events IIRC. I remember the coverage around those people’s lives.
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I don’t think luge was really targeted that much though.
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I was agreeing with you that its just hte big sports
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"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
Also, I’m pretty sure a lot of Olympic Athletes in the old Eastern European countries get a solid amount of money/support for training.
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All (olympic) sports in canada get more funding than they used to, from the government these days.
The fun thing is is that the Government uses this money that they spent on sports to say that they increased funding to the arts (because they’re under the same ministry) when in fact they’ve lowered arts funding overall.
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The expression or application of human creative skill and imagination producing works to be appreciated primarily for their beauty or emotional power.
Could be an art
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by happiergilmore on Aug 17, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I definitely think figure skating and the floor routine portion of gymnastics are art. But thats me. Definitely open for debate.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 17, 2011 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I would say there are many hockey games that are beautiful to watch and invoke a lot of emotion.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 17, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Find that Sundin goal against the Hurricanes, it was in a FanPost a little while back.
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by happiergilmore on Aug 17, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
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by Self Destructive Zones on Aug 17, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Is interpretive dance art?
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ok whatever, when Harper funds interpretive dance as much as he does the olympic athletes we can have this conversation
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So art isn’t art if it’s funded?
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no, those guys are a bunch of sellouts.
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real artists don’t even want money to support them, something about the irony…
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by happiergilmore on Aug 17, 2011 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
For me the two most important arts are sports and cooking.
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by happiergilmore on Aug 17, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
What
is your definition of art?
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by happiergilmore on Aug 17, 2011 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions
the Olympics have become one of the most commercialized sporting events on Earth. Limiting participation to athletes that aren’t millionaires would be just a little ironic.
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by happiergilmore on Aug 17, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Wrong. Look at the sports being added. If you want in you are agreeing to send the best. Rugby got added because the IRB created a window in their schedule and mandated that member unions release players. Same with golf. Baseball got torpedoed because MLB wouldn’t release players. Every other team sport releases players (soccer has a U23 tournament for the olympic event with a handful of overage exemptions- that may be hockey’s model to follow).
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by torleafsfan29 on Aug 17, 2011 12:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
soccer has a U23 tournament for the olympic event with a handful of overage exemptions- that may be hockey’s model to follow
Soccer does that so it’s not just the Word Cup x2, we don’t have another tournament where it’s best v. best for hockey, so changing it to U23 would be pointless.
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Wasn’t there one World Cup of Hockey during the period NHL players have been able to go to the Olympics? Mind you, the fact that I have no idea means that even if it did take place, apparently it was forgettable.
by Self Destructive Zones on Aug 17, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m guessing the pending lockout may have had something to do with that.
by Self Destructive Zones on Aug 17, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
That was the 96 World Cup (which I hated)
by Self Destructive Zones on Aug 17, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Honestly
From the wiki link above:
Position Name Birthplace 1995–96 team
D Rob Blake Simcoe, Ontario Los Angeles Kings
F Rod Brind’Amour Ottawa, Ontario Philadelphia Flyers
G Martin Brodeur Montreal, Quebec New Jersey Devils
D Paul Coffey Weston, Ontario Detroit Red Wings
D Sylvain Côté Quebec City, Quebec Washington Capitals
F Vincent Damphousse Montreal, Quebec Montreal Canadiens
D Éric Desjardins Rouyn-Noranda, Quebec Philadelphia Flyers
F Theoren Fleury Oxbow, Saskatchewan Calgary Flames
D Adam Foote Toronto, Ontario Colorado Avalanche
F Adam Graves Tecumseh, Ontario New York Rangers
F Wayne Gretzky – C Brantford, Ontario St. Louis Blues
G Curtis Joseph Keswick, Ontario Edmonton Oilers
D Ed Jovanovski Windsor, Ontario Florida Panthers
F Claude Lemieux Buckingham, Quebec Colorado Avalanche
F Trevor Linden Medicine Hat, Alberta Vancouver Canucks
F Eric Lindros London, Ontario Philadelphia Flyers
F Mark Messier – A Edmonton, Alberta New York Rangers
D Scott Niedermayer Edmonton, Alberta New Jersey Devils
D Lyle Odelein Quill Lake, Saskatchewan Montreal Canadiens
F Keith Primeau Toronto, Ontario Detroit Red Wings
G Bill Ranford Brandon, Manitoba Boston Bruins
F Joe Sakic Burnaby, British Columbia Colorado Avalanche
F Brendan Shanahan Mimico, Ontario Hartford Whalers
D Scott Stevens Kitchener, Ontario New Jersey Devils
F Pat Verbeek Sarnia, Ontario New York Rangers
F Steve Yzerman – A Cranbrook, British Columbia Detroit Red Wings
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Yeah that was 96 though not 04
Bill Ranford and Sylvain Cote being on the team is kind of funny, neither were really perrenial allstars.
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by Self Destructive Zones on Aug 17, 2011 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_World_Cup_of_Hockey_rosters#Canada
This is the 04 roster.
by Self Destructive Zones on Aug 17, 2011 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
It was held just before the lockout in 2004.
by Nigel Cadbury on Aug 17, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
And by lots of people, obviously I mean old people.. Like all of you!
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by happiergilmore on Aug 17, 2011 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions
I can honestly say I never watched an Olympic hockey game until 1998.
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by happiergilmore on Aug 17, 2011 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions
I remember watching Canada/Sweden, but I was 7 so the memories are pretty vague (although I can definitely remember disappointment).
by Self Destructive Zones on Aug 17, 2011 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions
When it mattered?
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by T is for Truculence on Aug 17, 2011 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Funny what a difference 8 years makes.
by Self Destructive Zones on Aug 17, 2011 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions
ha ha… yes, I also remember the Belarussians in ’02. Poor guy, his countrymen were ready to lynch him for that little hiccup.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Aug 17, 2011 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions
I have never cheered so hard for a country I’d never heard of in my life
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by T is for Truculence on Aug 17, 2011 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
those dang swedes and their “torpedo” system!!
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Aug 17, 2011 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah Belarus did us a huge favour in wiping out Sweden. IIRC, that team was pretty good.
by Self Destructive Zones on Aug 17, 2011 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah that first game was pretty embarassing. I felt so bad for Cujo. That pretty much just signaled the end of his Olympic ice time.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Aug 17, 2011 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
That team was stacked. Sundin, Forsberg in his prime, Lidstrom, Naslund, Alfredsson, Zetterberg. No Hoglund though
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by T is for Truculence on Aug 17, 2011 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Pretty stout blueline overall. Mattias Norstrom to me always seemed like one of the more underrated defensive D-men going.
by Self Destructive Zones on Aug 17, 2011 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
He used to be captain of the Kings right? I always liked the guy. Seemed really understated and surprisingly talented
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by T is for Truculence on Aug 17, 2011 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions
My wife is against ther NHL players competing, sticking with the amature rule.
I say shes nuts.
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by not norm ullman on Aug 17, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Find a team sport that isn’t sending pros. That ship sailed a long time ago.
Soccer has a U23 tournament but they are still pros.
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by torleafsfan29 on Aug 17, 2011 1:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
most sports players are pro by the time they’re 23… it’s actually very easy to find a sport that doesn’t send “professional” athletes.
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by happiergilmore on Aug 17, 2011 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
they’re the athletes that show up in the back of freight cars with bindles.
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by happiergilmore on Aug 17, 2011 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah and the Russians brought their pro team and everyone got crushed.
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yeah that was messed up NHLers were pros, but the Russians weren’t.
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Only problem is, is that there are no longer any amateurs. Kids are drafted at 18. Look at the U-20 teams from the WJC; most of them are on pro contracts already. Who would be playing? Undrafted college players? Hell, you can play in the SEL at 16 so unless you want Team Sweden to be nothing but 15 year olds, this would never work.
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Yeah exactly at this point it wouldn’t but it used to I guess. I don’t know I wasn’t born then I’m just relaying what I’ve heard!
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by happiergilmore on Aug 17, 2011 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Presenting your 1994 Olympic Men's Hockey, Silver Medalists from Canada:
Corey Hirsch
Adrian Aucoin
Derek Mayer
Brad Werenka
Ken Lovsin
Todd Hlushko
Fabian Joseph
Paul Kariya
Petr Nedved
Dwayne Norris
Greg Johnson
Brian Savage
Wally Schreiber
Todd Warriner
Greg Parks
Mark Astley
Jean Yves Roy
Chris Kontos
David Harlock
Manny Legace
Allain Roy
Chris Therien
Brad Schlegel
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Hirsch, Aucoin, Kariya, Nedved, and Warriner are the only guys I recognize off the top of my head.
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Drop Hirch and add Legace for me. Savage sounds familiar.
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by Self Destructive Zones on Aug 17, 2011 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh I didn’t even notice Legace. I also think I recognize Savage and Therien.
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Legace? I also know the names of Werenka and Savage
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by happiergilmore on Aug 17, 2011 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Chris Kontos was the sports news guy in Barrie for a while.
by Self Destructive Zones on Aug 17, 2011 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Also
How did Nedved play there? He joined the NHL in ‘90/’91
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Yeah I thought so too. Wikipedia tells me he defected after leaving as a refugee in ’89
by Self Destructive Zones on Aug 17, 2011 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Also from Wikipedia:
Prior to the 1993–94 season, Nedvěd became involved in a bitter contract dispute with the Canucks which resulted in a lengthy holdout. While holding out, Nedvěd obtained his Canadian citizenship, and represented Canada at the 1994 Winter Olympics, winning a silver medal.
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by Self Destructive Zones on Aug 17, 2011 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Sweet that he's a Southpaw, eh?
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by not norm ullman on Aug 17, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Hasek put up the 21st best SVP in the KHL this year, with more starts than anyone ahead of him. The man is a freak of nature.
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by Bower Power on Aug 17, 2011 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
The KHL
is a solid league also, but it’s pretty defensively oriented.
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by Steve Burtch on Aug 17, 2011 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions
which is why I did ranking rather than pure SVP (.915). Also, the second most starts in the league (46) is even more astonishing.
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by Bower Power on Aug 17, 2011 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
I’ve got 10 (11 including Kontos, who I only know of because he did (or maybe still does) sports news on the A Channel in Barrie), but alot of those are just randoms whose hockey cards I stumbled upon in the 90’s. Some of those early 90’s Upper Deck sets were huge.
by Self Destructive Zones on Aug 17, 2011 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
The Defensive corp is going to be interesting.
The closest thing to locks are probably Keith and Weber.
Then look at offensive Dmen Burns, Doughty, Subban, Green, Seabrook, Myers, Staal, Letang, Pietrangelo, maybe Phaneuf. Ryan Ellis is a super longshot here.
Also, they are long shots (because they will want puck movers mostly) but don’t entirely rule out the possibility of shutdown guys going over: Bouwmester, Schenn, Alzner, Girardi, Edler. However, I highly doubt it.
Anyone I’m missing? And yes, I know that a few of these guys aren’t at the required level yet, i’m projecting their possible talent.
Here’s my bet:
Keith – Seabrook
Weber – Staal (That’d be a rock of a pairing)
Doughty – Myers
Pietrangelo
Keith Yandle, Brent Burns?
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by happiergilmore on Aug 17, 2011 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Yet you tossed him out and put Pietrangelo in. :)
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Any money says, if he plays for Team Canada and scores a game winner or a multi-goal game or something during the olympics there will be a “Pietro-Canada” headline on TSN or a paper.
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by happiergilmore on Aug 17, 2011 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
“Pietro-Canada has the Midas Touch”
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by happiergilmore on Aug 17, 2011 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Sweden might have something to say about Canada putting Edler on its Olympic roster.
by Self Destructive Zones on Aug 17, 2011 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think Schenn even gets looked at. But it is 3 years away.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 17, 2011 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions
sure would be sweet, who do you think would have a better shot? Schenn or Phaneuf? (neither….probly)
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Neither.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 17, 2011 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Best shot at Olympics we have right now is Kessel for the U.S.
Perhaps his ridiculous “doesn’t backcheck/locker room cancer/too soft” stigmas will be gone by then.
Oh and of course Grabbo for Belarus, maybe Kulemin for Russia.
Although I’m looking into Kulemin a bit more… I’m starting to think he’ll be closer to 20G next year than 25. Or maybe less. I have a followup post coming in the next week (not just with Kulemin but all our top 9 forwards)
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 17, 2011 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Gunnarsson for Sweden, if he continues improving.
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by Draglikepull on Aug 17, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Even if he’s only a 20 goal guy, are they’re really 13 better Russian forwards? He’d be good on the 4th line or something.
He’ll probably lose the political battle of not playing in the KHL, even though he’s obviously better than those guys.
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Wasn’t he horribly under-utilized in the WC’s this year?
by Self Destructive Zones on Aug 17, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
1 goal in 9 games.
11:23 – Germany
7:13 – Slovenia
9:53 – Slovakia
10:29 – Denmark
9:00 – Czech Republic
9:32 – Finland
10:49 – Canada
11:01 – Finland
12:24 – Czech Republic
So yeah basically 4th line minutes. Hell he played less than Maxim Afinogenov.
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I’m beginning to think for Sochi they’re going to take Ovechkin, Malkin, Datsyuk, and Kovalchuk, and the rest KHLers. Maybe not even Kovalchuk.
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Too bad politics trumps talent - another early exit for Russia....
Also, who will be in net? It’s clear they hate Bryzgalov and Nabokov will be like 100 by then.
Varlamov? Bobrovsky maybe?
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 17, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
my bet
would be a tandem of the two you just mentioned, as of right now. Although wanting to win at home might make them put in Bryzgalov.
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by Steve Burtch on Aug 17, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Everyone remember when Kulie crumpled Brent Burns behind the net in the ’10 WC (I think) …? That was glorious. He also thumped Corey Perry in the same game, thought Corey was gonna cry.
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by Isosceles Kramer on Aug 17, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
I think our most likely olympians are:
Kessel (USA), Grabs (Belarussia (not a typo)), Kulemin (russia), gunnar (sweeden). Maybe Reimer and/or Rynnas depending on where there careers go and Phaneuf/Schenn on the outside looking in.
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A lot can happen in 3 years though. Especially with how unpredictable goalie careers can be.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 17, 2011 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Canada doesn’t have a lot of goalie depth so its a longshot at worst.
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Ugh I hate to say it but if Price shows he can be the goalie he was last year, he’s got a very good chance.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 17, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Its him and luongo and possibly ward and you’re going to have to deal with it.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 17, 2011 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
If he repeats his performance from last year in the coming years then he definitely should be on that team.
I’m gonna throw Bernier in the ring as a contender too.
by Self Destructive Zones on Aug 17, 2011 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Be interesting to see how he performs shouldering a heavier load (assuming he gets the opportunity to do so in the not too distant future, which he should somewhere).
by Self Destructive Zones on Aug 17, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Pretty hard to see how Bernier could be in the mix 3 years from now. He’s still got to get out from under Quick, then put up two years good enough to knock Price, Luongo, Ward, Fleury and potentially Reimer or Crawford. He’d need two stellar years to be taken as the token young kid in the third slot.
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by Bower Power on Aug 17, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I dunno
Goalie careers can be so unpredictable.
How many games did it take Rask to unseat reigning Vezina winner Tim Thomas 2 years ago? 20 games?
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 17, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
That being said, Thomas obviously came back in a roaring and dramatic fashion.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 17, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
It took an injury to Tim Thomas to do it. Also, it didn’t earn Rask a start in the Olympics.
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by Bower Power on Aug 17, 2011 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
He’s still got to get out from under Quick
Yeah this is the big thing for Bernier I’d say. His time at the WC’s this year is a decent start perhaps (not entirely sure on how he performed, well enough I assume) but if he’s gonna make that team he’s gotta get regualr minutes an NHL starting goaltender and be lights out in the process.
by Self Destructive Zones on Aug 17, 2011 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think
Gunnarsson makes team Sweden… He’s not one of the 8 best D men from Sweden.
Lidstrom may still be playing pro hockey at that point, Viktor Hedman, Doug Murray, Niklas Hjalsmarsson, Mattias Ohlund (is also old but still decent), that kid that New Jersey just drafted, Enstrom from Winnipeg, there’s a lot of decent D men from Sweden (Tim Erixon will be pretty solid by then too methinks) I don’t think he’s in their top 8.
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by Steve Burtch on Aug 17, 2011 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
oh
and Stralman too even.
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by Steve Burtch on Aug 17, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
I’d think Edler too would have a decent shot at cracking that roster
by Self Destructive Zones on Aug 17, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Considering he’s still only 24
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by Self Destructive Zones on Aug 17, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Question is who’s good in 2014 for Sochi. Lidstrom and Ohlund won’t be on that team. Murray might be too old by then.
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by Draglikepull on Aug 17, 2011 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
in 2014?
we’re talking less than 3 years from now… Ohlund and Lidstrom are both still in the NHL.
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by Steve Burtch on Aug 17, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Murray is what?
30? he’ll be 33… that’s not too old.
Ohlund will be 37, Lidstrom will be 43… ok he’ll be too old.
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by Steve Burtch on Aug 17, 2011 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
I thought Murray was older than that. Doubt they’ll have a 37 year old Ohlund, but who knows.
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by Draglikepull on Aug 17, 2011 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
I think Lidstrom will have retired and Ohlund will be past his prime. I think Gunnar has a decent shot.
It will probably be anchored by Edler and Hedman.
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It will probably be anchored by Edler and Hedman.
So they’ll be out of medal contention…
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I think Edler is a damn good defender. Hedman I am still assuming will be living up to his hype. Also I completely forgot about Kronwall.
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yeah
he’s ahead of Edler probably.
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by Steve Burtch on Aug 17, 2011 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Staffan? Kidding
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by T is for Truculence on Aug 17, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
let's not forget
Larsson… from NJD, 4th overall pick.
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by Steve Burtch on Aug 17, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah his development and Ekman-Larsson’s could have alot to say about how well that team fares in 2014.
by Self Destructive Zones on Aug 17, 2011 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
18
D men from Sweden played in the NHL last year and were 35 or younger.
They are the following (in order of point production):
Enstrom, Karlsson, Kronwall, Edler, Hedman, Gunnarsson, Oduya, Tallinder, Ericsson, Murray, Ekman-Larsson, Grossman, Hjalmarsson, Wallin, Lilja, Ohlund, Urbom, and Gustafsson.
I’d say Enstrom, Karlsson, Kronwall, Edler, Hedman, and Ekman-Larsson will all be ahead of Gunnarsson offensively by that point… Murray is a shut down guy…
I just don’t think he’ll be in the top 8.
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by Steve Burtch on Aug 17, 2011 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh yeah Karlsson. How’d we ever forget that guy..
by Self Destructive Zones on Aug 17, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
how the hell
was Stralman not on that list from Hockey-Reference? Weird. he was born in Tibro, Sweden and is only 25, and he had 18 points so he’d be in around Gunnarsson and Oduya.
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by Steve Burtch on Aug 17, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
so in reality
there were 19 not 18, and if you add in Larsson, that’s 20 guys to consider.
I’d say half or more of them will be ahead of Gunnarsson. I like the guy, but unless he gets top 4 minutes and is posting 30+ points regularly, I don’t see him on the team.
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by Steve Burtch on Aug 17, 2011 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Either on the Leafs or, I think more likely another team, Gunnar will probably be getting top 4 minutes in 3 years. I think he can put up 30 points too.
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by Draglikepull on Aug 17, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah this will be a fair bit in the future.
On the other hand I think the following will be ahead of him:
Enstrom, Edler, Kronwall, Hedman, Karlsson
He’s going to be competing with the likes of Murray, Hjalmarson, (an old) Ohlund, and the prospects (Ekman-Larsson, Larsson, etc) for 1-2 spots
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by T is for Truculence on Aug 17, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
He brings Veteran presense.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 17, 2011 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Edler is not a shutdown defender (0.65, and 0.55 in PPG in the last two years) and he is, you know, Swedish. Staal is definitely NOT an offensive d-man (0.38 and 0.33 ppg in the last two years). That being said I think both are going to make their teams.
Also its funny how Bouwmeester is now considered a shut down d-man. His last 4 years in Fla he had 0.56, 0.51, 0.45, 0.51 PPG and his last 3 years he had 12, 15, 15 goals. Those are not shutdown numbers. Him and Phaneuf were considered near locks (IIRC) for the 2010 team as of the summer of 2009 (6 months before the olympics)
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 17, 2011 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Wow. What a failure on Edler. I should be lashed.
Also, thats 5 swedes on Vancouver. Second only to Detroit I think.
There were a couple times
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you can easily check this
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by Steve Burtch on Aug 17, 2011 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
looking into it now (Skaters not Goalies)
Van had 5, Detroit had 6, Calgary had 2, Chicago had 3, Columbus had 3, Dallas had 3, Edmonton had 2, Florida had 1, LA had 1, Montreal had 1, Nashville had 3, New Jersey had 4, Ottawa had 2, Philly had 1, Phoenix had 1, San Jose had 2, St. Louis had 2, TB had 4, Toronto had 2, Washington had 2, Atlanta/Winnipeg had 3.
If you add in goalies you’ve got another for NJ so they’re at 5 also (tied with Vancouver), Calgary has another so they’re at 3, Florida has another so they’re at 2, Toronto has Gustavsson so they were at 3, Ottawa has another in Lehner so they’re at 3, Buffalo has Enroth, Nashville has Lindback so they’re at 4 (tying them with TB for 3rd most), and the Rangers have Lundqvist.
So Detroit, Vancouver or New Jersey, and then Nashville and TB.
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by Steve Burtch on Aug 17, 2011 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
I think Canada is deep enough on defence that one-way defensive type players like Luke Schenn probably won’t make the cut. Canada can afford to take more offensive minded players, yet not lose anything defensively because of the caliber of defencemen.
by Five Minutes For Fighting on Aug 17, 2011 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Exactly
The shutdown guys can be players like Keith, Weber, maybe even Staal (a little less offense) without sacrificing offense.
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Or skating ability. Schenn, at this point at least, would get killed on international ice. Speedy forwards would have the edge around him most likely
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by happiergilmore on Aug 17, 2011 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m gonna go way out on my limb of homerism and say that by 2014 Schenn will be a better shutdown guy than Staal.
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Keith, Weber, Doughty for sure. Pietrangelo, Staal I figure will be there as well. Toss up between Phaneuf, Subban, Letang, Myers, Seabrook, maybe others for remaining spots.
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Burns, Green, Seabrook (had more regular season points than Keith last year), Fowler, Shattenkirk, etc. Lots of young guys look pretty good out there.
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Now that I think of it, isn’t Fowler American too? I know he’s Canadian-American but hasn’t he already played for the US in international play?
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 17, 2011 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
If he stayed in the US he’d have played football.
No idea what position he’d play at 6’8 but he was from footballland, tx, so he’d be playing football.
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Yeah listed below 230, definitely too light.
by Self Destructive Zones on Aug 17, 2011 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
230? Try 250… and at 6’8, they’d be looking for like 260-270, fast, blocking ability, hands, everything. TE is a hard position to be really good at
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by happiergilmore on Aug 17, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah even at 230 he could MAYBE fulfill the receiver qualities of being a tight end, but no way would he be able to block effectively at that weight
by Self Destructive Zones on Aug 17, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
So is Fowler
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by happiergilmore on Aug 17, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
American that is
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by happiergilmore on Aug 17, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
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Optimus Reim is by far the best choice. The Reim Minister of Defence sounds cool until you remember…tt’s Minister of Defence not Prime Minister of Defence.
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by not norm ullman on Aug 17, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
The Dream Team: Canada in 2014
Luke Schenn gets a possible nod at defense; though how he’s used in Toronto will probably nix that.
I’m confused. Schenn wasn’t even the best shutdown defenceman on his team this year, how does he become one of the top two Canadian shutdown defenceman in the NHL by 2014?
I wouldn’t say it’s how he is played in Toronto that hurts him, but more how he plays. Schenn is a good 4-6 defender right now. Being so young, and highly touted it is assumed he can become more. I only worry that many Leaf fans are overvaluing Schenn and I can only hope it doesn’t get reflected in his new deal. Mainly because if he does get more than 3.5 million a year it will significantly increase the role expected of him when it comes to facing the top competition—which is a role he showed he wasn’t ready for last season.
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It’s an “if he continues to improve” kinda prediction, same goes for oh I don’t know Tavares, if Johnny T is only as good as he was last year he won’t make it either
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 17, 2011 7:41 AM EDT up reply actions
I think Schenn is a solid #3 on a good team right now, though on the Leafs he’s #2 and I think his contract may reflect that.
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by Draglikepull on Aug 17, 2011 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
I really don’t know if thats true. Is 22:30 a number 2 let alone a number 3? Thats what he played on teh Leafs last year against mid-tier competition.
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52nd in terms of TOI among defenders puts him, strictly in terms of TOI, as a top pair defender.
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by Draglikepull on Aug 17, 2011 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
In fact, in terms of even strength TOI, he was 22nd, which is higher than I would have thought.
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by Draglikepull on Aug 17, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Ron Wilson has shown an over reliance on his top players in the past. Remember halfway through the 2009-10 season when Kessel and Bozak were up there with Crosby and Ovechkin for TOI/G? Wilson doesn’t play his 4th line or 3rd pairing nearly enough.
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Last year it looks more even though. None of the forwards are over 20 minutes and some of the guys I think are on your 4th line played 10 minutes
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Well, over-reliance on top players did win Burke a Cup in Anaheim. Beauch, Neidermayer, and Pronger each played nearly a half hour a night in the playoffs that year.
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by Draglikepull on Aug 17, 2011 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
You can play Pronger and Neids for half a game in the playoffs because they’re Prongs and Neids and it’s the playoffs. You can’t play Phaneuf and Schenn for half a game over an 82 game regular season.
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You’re right. Though if I was coaching a team with a 3rd pair of Lebda/Komisarek, I’d lean on my top 4 too.
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by Draglikepull on Aug 17, 2011 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Which is strange because looking back at 2009-2010 there wasn’t much difference in skill separating our 1st and 4th lines. BAZINGA (fuck you stajan/stempniak/blake/poni…. god damnit that team was bad)
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Stajan was 67th in points with 57. Poni was 101st in points with 50. So a top 3 and a top 6 forward. Also both there scoring rates were higher the first half of the year in Toronto, then with their second team AND were better the year before.
In 2008-2009 Poni was 56th in the league with 61 points and Stajan was 84th with 55 points (it is techincally a slightly better pace as he missed a few games).
Neither were great players by any stretch but they put up similar point totals to the Grabovski line players.
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So what you’re saying is that Grabbo is the new Poni.
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by Draglikepull on Aug 17, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Similar but all slightly lower, and they were our top four players… the Grabovski line was our “first” line but we also had Kessel putting up 60 points.
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For sure. Just pointing out we shit on Stajan and Poni way more than they deserve. They produced for us. Especially to their paygrade.
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Totally, I’m more laughing at how funny it is in hindsight that so many people thought that team had a shot to compete for a playoff position.
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You mean possible team captain Matt Stajan? Or wait was that Alex Steen? Those were the days
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by T is for Truculence on Aug 17, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
I wish we kept Steen.
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by happiergilmore on Aug 17, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Fuck Lee Stempniak
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by happiergilmore on Aug 17, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Yeah there’s a trade that it would be nice to undo. Not even because I miss Steen or Colaiacovo. But because, like most of us, I hate Lee Stempniak.
by Self Destructive Zones on Aug 17, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
But also Steen would a good #2 or #3 C
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by happiergilmore on Aug 17, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah for sure. He wouldn’t be a detriment to have around.
by Self Destructive Zones on Aug 17, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Especially when Steener’s voice would comically break in every interview
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by Isosceles Kramer on Aug 17, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Considering the players Seguin is continually compared to, let us have this ok?
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 17, 2011 7:42 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Crosby was just the 1st Seguin.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 17, 2011 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Me either.
But he is a point per game in the NHL.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 17, 2011 7:57 AM EDT up reply actions
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by MapleLeafMole on Aug 17, 2011 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions
From the Sun article on Reimer:
He barely took time off to vacation with his wife before attacking off-season workouts, vowing, "I have no intention of being a one-year wonder."
Personal trainer Adam Francilia concentrated on Reimer’s core strength around his torso to make his reactions more explosive. Reimer didn’t need to get bigger around the upper body and shoulders, he wanted to be able to keep square to the puck during high traffic periods around the net.
"Just getting quicker, working on a little stamina," he said of changes to his game. "I’ve been trying to get stronger in some areas. If I’m going to be playing more games this year, I want to work on being quicker and stronger when I get tired."
It is the Sun, but that’s the kind of stuff I like to hear. Full article.
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heard he was down at the HHOF and RealSports Apparel yesterday, did anyone go check it out?
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Aside from being a Leaf fan, I hope Reimer pans out just because he seems like the kind of guy who really deserves to be successful.
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So was ADMIN BOT 3000 strictly a July thing? Haven’t heard from the bot in a while, but it still seems to be listed under PPP’s Girlfriends.
i think he’s working in the background, the my have disabled the commenting option.
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Or…. she?
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by happiergilmore on Aug 17, 2011 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions
shklee
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 17, 2011 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Robots don’t have etiquette, did you see how he just stormed in here?
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My fellow Homo Erectus
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by happiergilmore on Aug 17, 2011 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions
I have a strange feeling that admin bot runs on PST now.
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well he did ask me how to get him access to this guy
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by thenumber14 on Aug 17, 2011 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
I browsed through your thread yesterday and have a couple of things I want to say:
First off, I did some quick research and found a few articles about links between brain trauma and depression (now, their definition of brain trauma I’m not sure of, I’ll look into it more when I’m not trying to write a report for the CEO before Friday)
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S000399939790304X
http://informahealthcare.com/doi/abs/10.1080/026990598122313
http://www.ajronline.org/content/160/1/147.abstract
Note that all I have read in these is the abstract, but I’ve set them aside for later if anyone else wants to read them.
Second off: Rypien’s depression was a deep rooted problem, and it may be possible that it was well in place before he began hockey, and that fighting only contributed a small amount to it. Because of this, I’m a little hesitant to state that blunt trauma to the head causes depression and that I think we should be reserved in saying fighting causes depression, since it’s a very complicated illness and I don’t want to make his struggles seem any less difficult than they were.
So uh yea.
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Second off: Rypien’s depression was a deep rooted problem, and it may be possible that it was well in place before he began hockey, and that fighting only contributed a small amount to it.
Or quite possibly not at all. Ironically its a fair bit of confirmation bias for us to just assume that one caused the other.
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yea, it’s looking like most of the articles I’m reading about head trauma tied to depression is dealing with what they call TBI or Traumatic Brain Injury – I’ll have to do more research to see if a concussion or accumulation of concussions can be defined under this moniker.
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TBI is a generic term for any injury to the brain caused by trauma. A concussion can fall under it.
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It also just came out
That his girlfriend died in 2003 in a car accident coming to see him play
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I would bet that probably had as much, if not more, to do with his depression than fighting.
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It would be impossible from our perspective (and potentially from anyones, depending on what kind of medical relationship he had with anyone) to ascertain what specific causes there were for his depression. What medical researchers are trying to ascertain/prove is that repeated brain injury (in fighting in hockey) CAN cause depression in general. It will help future people.
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Yeah, I’m totally on board with this, but don’t think fingers should be pointed until we know the results of this research.
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also, in prematurely stating that fighting causes depression when we don’t know about the case, we may be underplaying Rypien’s depression, by giving it a definite cause. Depression is a very broad illness and by saying that it has a definitive cause, we may be underplaying the disease and the great variety of causes for it.
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by Fergus30 on Aug 17, 2011 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well said. It’s a horrible disease and it effects everyone; I feel like depression itself is underplayed as it often stems from something else (tragedy, money, mistreatment, etc.) and leads to something else (addiction, alcohol abuse, violence) and these causes/effects get the attention/blame.
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yeap, I just worry because sometimes depression doesn’t have a cause other than an imbalance of chemicals, and trying to explain it may draw attention away from the illness itself.
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Yeah exactly, totally agree. I am a moron when it comes to science and things like that but I know/knew people who suffer/have suffered from depression and seen what it can do, and how it can effect people who you would think have no reason to be depressed and where there is no explanation.
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Indeed
Blaming/only focusing on the effects is an issue with a lot of things as well. It’s easier to point at things we can see and understand as opposed to realizing there may be something else going on.
I also agree with what Ferg said right above
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
it's also
entirely plausible that he was depressed for reasons completely unrelated to fighting. If he was clinically depressed then doesn’t that mean he’s just a victim of a chemical imbalance?
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by Steve Burtch on Aug 17, 2011 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
yeap, I just worry because sometimes depression doesn’t have a cause other than an imbalance of chemicals, and trying to explain it may draw attention away from the illness itself.
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From a medical point of view
There isn’t evidence that everyone with depression even have an underlying chemical imbalance (or other physical manifestation). Even trying to describe it as such can be a disservice to appropriate treatment (to many doctors want to just be pill machines when it comes to psychological problems).
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But I know where you coming from. Simply put depression is a terrible and multifaceted disease/state of mind and we should remember (as you pointed out) that all this research is being done to potentially discover new causes/precipitating causes so that it can be prevented where possible and NOT to attempt to explain or minimize anyone’s personal battle with this atrocious thing we call depression.
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head trauma is also one of those risk factors that increases the chance of depression. even if he’s genetically pre-disposed for depression (as was suggested by the fact that it might run in his family as per mirtle) it doesn’t mean that fighting didn’t contribute to the condition.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Aug 17, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
But it doesn’t mean it did either. Thats the point that is being made.
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we can’t know because we’ll never know for sure. the point is if we take a sample of Rypiens, more of them are going to have depression than a bunch of Kyle Wellwoods.
we can’t know for individuals. it doesn’t mean that the cause-effect relationship doesn’t exist.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Aug 17, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Kyle Wellwoods get concussions too.
It’s just not very tactful to generalize a very broad disease through a “cause” that no one has conclusively proven.
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I’m talking about ‘risk factors’, which are things that increase the probability of getting a disease. It’s not generalizing about anything when discussing the risk factors of a disease because they are real, epidemiological effects.
Whether or not concussions caused Rypien’s depression is irrelevant. But the discussion about whether we should do away with fighting to prevent future incidences of depression among hockey players is a very important discussion to have.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Aug 17, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
mmhmm, and did I ever say it wasn’t? Did I even reference some studies about concussions and depression?
What I was trying to say is that we should be sensitive about drawing conclusions without enough data. You’d think of all the hockey blogs, people who post on PPP would understand the issues with incomplete data.
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but you’re confusing individual cases with overall data.
if fighting leads to concussions, and concussions increase the chances of getting depression, then it stands to reason that fighting can be a cause of depression in someone who fights a lot.
look, if we were talking about lung cancer, and I said “smoking increases the chances of lung cancer”, would you accuse me of generalizing? even if an individual never smoked a day in their life doesn’t mean it’s not important to discuss when talking about ways to avoid the disease.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Aug 17, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
ok sure, but I’m just asking people to be more sensitive. Saying things like – Rypien got punched in the head, this is why he is depressed (and when we were talking about Rypien, it was an individual case) it downplays the multifaceted nature of the disease and his own struggle, particularly since we don’t know the details about his depression or treatment.
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I will try one last time. She is just trying to say that we can’t know the specific causes of Rypien’s problems. And that we should try to not jump to conclusions ABOUT RYPIEN as depression is a multifaceted problem.
She in no way was saying that we should ignore the effects that concussions have on depression,
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That being said, i’ve been told by a number of people that post-concussion depression is particularly brutal, something about the other concussion symptoms makes the depression even worse.
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the inability to leave one’s house? get off the couch? open the blinds? yeah, i can see how that would make things worse.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Aug 17, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I think we’re saying the same thing. Fergus (rightfully so) just wanted to point out that when talking about individuals we need to remember that they have their own bad experience and we shouldn’t be just assuming its fighting-caused, or in a sense belittling their own struggle.
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by BCapp on Aug 17, 2011 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I’m not discounting that individuals have unique struggles. But it’s impossible to deny that diseases like depression have biological/neurogenic etiologies that are very real.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Aug 17, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
We don’t know all of the neurogenic etiologies of depression.
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no, not all of them. but we know some of them. we can’t pretend they don’t exist.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Aug 17, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
No one is trying to. How about what I repost what I posted a bit ago:
Simply put depression is a terrible and multifaceted disease/state of mind and we should remember (as you pointed out) that all this research is being done to potentially discover new causes/precipitating causes so that it can be prevented where possible and NOT to attempt to explain or minimize anyone’s personal battle with this atrocious thing we call depression.
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Agreed. It may be impossible in individual cases to pin-point the exact cause, but when a larger and larger body of evidence points to one kind of behaviour being strongly associated with a medical condition, then we have to seriously consider how to deal with that kind of behaviour.
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by Draglikepull on Aug 17, 2011 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
more of them are going to have depression than a bunch of Kyle Wellwoods.
But can’t being overweight contribute to depression?
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You guys need to lighten up (so does Kyle Wellwood).
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by Shield on Aug 17, 2011 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don’t particularly care, because I think humour is always important, but I knew its what Fergus was getting at.
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but I knew its what Fergus was getting at.
What do you mean getting at… I was responding to VRN, not Fergus.
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It was Fergus who was upset by it though. And I assume you were being snarky with the comment. IF not I apologize.
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wait, why do i need to lighten up?
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Aug 17, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I believe its Fergus and myself who need to lighten up. And I am watching Trailer Park Boys which definitely lightens one up. lol
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I’m listening to old Manic Street Preachers, which definitely is not a mood-lifter.
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by Draglikepull on Aug 17, 2011 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I just finished the Wire again. Can’t decide if it was better the first or second time.
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by happiergilmore on Aug 17, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s a tough one. There were so many details I didn’t catch the first time around, but the inability to stop watching it the first time through weighs heavily in its favour.
by Self Destructive Zones on Aug 17, 2011 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Did they ever find the singer? He disappeared right?
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It was the guitarist/songwriter, and no, he’s never been found and he’s presumed dead.
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by Draglikepull on Aug 17, 2011 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
WAYFO
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 17, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Absolutely
The idea of the research is to find a preventative risk factor, not attempt to describe any specific persons situation.
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He has taken of time for personal reasons in something like 3 of the last 4 seasons. Clearly he has had some problems. Its always a tragedy when you lose someone so young (or anyone frankly) to suicide and I honestly take it as a failing of us (society) as a whole. A large part because suicide is so horrible, we are too afraid to talk about it, and keeps it in the dark (along with people contemplating it) until its way to late.
But this probably isn’t the place.
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According to Mirtle’s article the Canucks organization and the people close to him were intimately aware of his issues and were doing what they thought was right in order to help him. But considering the nature of Rypien’s line of work (and Boogaard), there’s not a lot of job security there. There’s immense pressure to put personal issues aside and just focus on doing enough to keep that 4th line NHL role. Sometimes people are just sick, lost, and unable address it until it’s too late.
Thing was that Rypien was willing to take that time off to address it, knowing completely well that it might mean he might be out of a job later when he returned.
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I’m just talking in general. Society is scared of suicide and its a taboo topic for that reason. It results in it never being talked about and people who are contemplating it keep it to themselves until its too late.
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by thenumber14 on Aug 17, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
There are a lot of new articles comging up about concussions in hockey, but they’re mostly related to youth hockey and body checking, not fighting. Maybe we’ll see more research into that particular area soon
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Also, how the hell does this hypothesis get published in an actual journal
“Relationship of personalized jerseys and aggression in women’s ice hockey”
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“Perceptual and motor skill”
It doesn’t sound real but it’s on Pubmed so it must be legit
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http://www.amsciepub.com/doi/abs/10.2466/pms.101.2.499-504
Wow, just reading the summary and you realize it’s the stupidest study ever done… “it is unclear whether results were due to personalized jersey or competition level of play”
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There was another that researched the correlation between number of fighting majors and winning, which has probably been done here before and probably didn’t require a grant to write
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Yeah I think ’67 Sound did a post on that over at Leafs Nation maybe?
by Self Destructive Zones on Aug 17, 2011 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Most of the studies like that utilize unpaid grad student slave labor and therefore don’t need grant funding.
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Is this common in the U.S.? In Canada grad students are paid to be research assistants. I know people whose primary income in grad school was from being an RA.
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by Draglikepull on Aug 17, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
They’re paid but it comes directly out of their tuition bill so no actual money is involved.
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Hmm. At my school tuition was something like $2200 a term but an RA position would have paid $5000-$6000 per term.
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by Draglikepull on Aug 17, 2011 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Silly Canadians and their affordable schooling.
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That sounds cheap. Typical undergrad costs in Ontario are about 5700/year (two terms so about 2850 per term)
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I've paid
$800 for a single course recently… and it lasted all of half a term.
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by Steve Burtch on Aug 17, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Ouch. IIRC Western generally charges between 500 and 700 per one semester course.
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post grad teaching courses, they’re a tad pricier. They usually vary between $700 and $800.
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by Steve Burtch on Aug 17, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
yea, U of T charges more for their post grad courses because you’re not paying fees like other full time students
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plus, professional programs are for, you know, professionals. people who already work. so they can afford to pay the big bucks.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Aug 17, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
except
lots of people taking these courses are unemployed teachers looking to improve their chances of getting hired, so that’s not always true.
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by Steve Burtch on Aug 17, 2011 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
whether or not they are employed is irrelevant (as far as the university is concerned).
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Aug 17, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Law school and Med school are both “professional programs” where the majority of people don’t work and can’t afford to pay the big bucks.
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I have a friend who went to Harvard law school. Gigantic loans, but now she has a law degree from Harvard, so . . .
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by Draglikepull on Aug 17, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Going to professional school in the states is a whole other ball game.
When all is said and done I will probably have paid about 75-80 000 for med school. Schools like Harvard charge that per year. Living expenses are also higher.
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Harvard only charged me like 40,000. (not harvard law which is obviously more expensive)
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Those loans would likely put mine to absolute shame. How much is tuition had Harvard Law? Any idea?
by Self Destructive Zones on Aug 17, 2011 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah still roughly 3 times what I pay
by Self Destructive Zones on Aug 17, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Apparently
There tuition is only $50 000 for meds too. I thought it was closer to 75 or 80.
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Ivy League schools are actually cheaper than you’d think because they have really big endowments.
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To make up for lost time, the Sabres signed six seasons worth of front-loaded cap skirting contracts in one week.
Very few students at a grad school like Harvard actually pay full tuition. Virtually everyone is on a scholarship of some srot.
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by Draglikepull on Aug 17, 2011 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I assume you mean professional school and that isn’t the case for medicine. Most of them are paying full tuition.
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I don’t know about medicine specifically, and I could have bad information, but I’ve read that most students at Harvard don’t pay full tuition.
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by Draglikepull on Aug 17, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
This will be true for all but the most popular programs of a particular college, where they don’t feel the need to give as much aid to attract the best talent.
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Maybe in the U.S. Most Canadian students pay full tuition or only get small scholarships.
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by Draglikepull on Aug 17, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Student loans have to be paid back. Scholarships don’t.
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by Draglikepull on Aug 17, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
OSAP offers many scholarships. Also any OSAP over 8000 or so should become a grant as of Jan 1st.
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I was also referring to what Draglikepull was saying about most people not paying full tuition at Harvard, its because they receive things like OSAP.
As well, while OSAP is a loan it is definitely better than a regular loan, because of the 0% interest while in school +6 months.
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eeh, it’s not the same
My sister is doing her masters at Michigan and she got over half her tuition covered just because she asked. She’s also gotten other scholarships from the school so that she only has to pay about 1/4th of the original cost of her yearly tuition.
Meanwhile, I got a considerable amount from OSAP but I have to pay it all back. (less my OSOG)
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I have never been to grad school, but my friends at UWO, UBC, and Laurier
Between their research stipend and TA pay made enough money to pay tuition and live on (barely).
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in a PhD program this is the norm, not so much in a Masters, but if you’re smart and lucky it’s possible.
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Oh I guess my friends are lucky
I was referring to 3 MAs at UWO, 1 MA at Laurier, 1 MA at UBC, and 1 PhD at UWO.
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When I said:
Also any OSAP over 8000 or so should become a grant as of Jan 1st.
I was referring to OSOG’s
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What I meant is that at Harvard the school pays a portion of many students’ tuition, meaning it reduces the real cost to them. OSAP simply delays the costs until you’re out of school.
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by Draglikepull on Aug 17, 2011 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Eh not quite.
With my OSOG 56% of my OSAP is grant not loan. As well those scholarships are available here.
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Hmm. I definitely didn’t have access to any of that when I did my undergrad, though admittedly I did undergrad several years ago.
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by Draglikepull on Aug 17, 2011 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s crazy, I’m pretty sure I have to pay all of my OSAP back.
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I think my OSOG was about $1000 per term last year, whereas my OSAP was a lot more than that.
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OSOG is weird. Its not paid to you. If you filed your tax return they analyze how much you make and if you are eligible, it is paid directly against the balance of your loan.
So you receive your OSAP loan in September and January. Then in April-June or whenever they get to it, they determine if you are eligible and then decrease the amount of money you owe from the loan you received.
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Yeah that’s kind of what I figured, it just basically takes some of the money off the top of your loan and gives it to you as a grant. I didn’t even know about it until I got my OSAP papers and saw that some of the money was a “grant”
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Yeah OSAP is a bitch for future BCapp to deal with
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Ontario Stereo and Alcohol Program, thats what we used to call it “back in my days”.. gave us way more money than we needed.
by Nigel Cadbury on Aug 17, 2011 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Me also, my OSAP doesn’t even cover my tuition.
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Hold strong bro! I feel your pain. Though when you graduate you’ll be a lawyer and I’ll be a …
something.
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Haha, hopefully I’ll be able to pay off my loans before I have to declare bankruptcy, which is cause fo disbarment.
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Wow. Is disbarment usually permanent or like x-number of years suspension from the bar?
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All these questions I don’t know the answer to are making me feel dumb. lol.
I’m pretty sure disbarment is permanent but all these cases are tried on a case-by-case basis, and take everything into account. So you could just be suspended for a certain time or until you meet certain conditions, or be completely disbared.
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Oh okay. If it makes you feel better I am not sure if having your medical license revoked is a permanent or temporary thing or even if its national or provincial.
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I’m actually kind of surprised we didn’t learn more about this. In our Legal Ethics class we looked at a bunch of cases but they were all a lot more “interesting” than simple bankruptct.
We had to be able to argue for disbarment or suspension based on the stautes and cases but didn’t really learn what happens once you’re disbarred.
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PS
Look at what we end up discussing in teh summer. Where is HOCKEY!?!?
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All the stuff we looked at was like “lawyer has affair with client’s wife”, “lawyer leaves firm/client to start his own tax-sheltering company and makes 100s of millions”, “lawyer has sex with 13 year-old prostitute client” etc.
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If I wasn’t paying off OSAP I could put so much money into productive areas of the economy.
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by Draglikepull on Aug 17, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah they’ll get you if you don’t. i forgot, and i really did, to submit my paper work after school…nothing for 3 years than BAM! letter from collection agency saying they want their $5k (i know, i got off easy, TV school is cheap) now.
one 23% loan later and they got it.
valuable lesson learned.
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Shield is right. Professional programs are often very pricey compared to other graduate level work. Many programs place a surcharge on simply enrolling in the program on a yearly basis, and can be double or triple the cost of tuition (this is on top of tuition and student fees).
Non-professional programs are often cheaper to afford because not only do these surcharges not exist, but Assistantships, grants, and tuition awards are often available if you’re willing to teach or do research while in school.
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I’m talking grad school, which is cheaper than undergrad.
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by Draglikepull on Aug 17, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
overall i’m paying about the same for grad school as undergrad, maybe a tad bit less…
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lets see – 1 year at U of T was around $5500
For my entire masters degree – 2 years @ 10500…
Yea around the same
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Do you pay for 3 terms or just 2 for your MA?
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by Draglikepull on Aug 17, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
I’ve paid for 3 terms so far…
I’m in quebec though, so they charge you for 3 terms a year there, even if you’re not taking courses during them
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That’s weird. I paid for all 3 terms in Ontario, but a friend of mine who is a PhD candidate at McGill only pays for 2 . . .
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by Draglikepull on Aug 17, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Is this including like a summer term or something?
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Yes, grad students go to school year round, though usually the summer term is dedicated to doing research and you don’t take any courses or do any TAing.
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by Draglikepull on Aug 17, 2011 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
“A Treatise on the Weight of the Common ‘Two Four’”
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by Draglikepull on Aug 17, 2011 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
“A Dangerous Proposal: Grocery Shopping at Honest Ed’s”
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Would it help if I told you I actually did buy groceries from Honest Ed’s on a few occasions?
by Self Destructive Zones on Aug 17, 2011 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
some grad students
just do research, and don’t go to courses once their load is done or do any TA’ing… particularly if they’re paid for the research.
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by Steve Burtch on Aug 17, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
this typically would require independent funding.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Aug 17, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh okay that makes sense. I have a friend who is starting his masters in September and he mentioned something about it being a full-year. He apparently isn’t paying anything though as long as he TAs.
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not always true. i used to do the majority of my TAing in the summer.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Aug 17, 2011 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Really? I thought my friends said otherwise. I’m in medschool now however which costs more like American undergrad. I paid roughly 19 000 this year.
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Ouch. For me it went up about $300 this year making my tuition for this upcoming year just above $16 100… granted books will probably add another 600-1000 to that.
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Mine went up about $800. I don’t really buy much textbooks though. Probably spend under $200 last year.
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That’s pretty good; mine were expensive last year but apparently it’s not as bad for upper years, just buying crap like the “Income Tax Act” and stuff will probably be expensive.
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I was actually fairly surprised with how much I spent (pleasantly) on books. I didn’t buy any treatises though, just case books/ what was on the req’d reading list and used library resources for anything else.
by Self Destructive Zones on Aug 17, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah same, just the required stuff. It wasn’t as bad as I thought but a lot worse than undergrad had ever been for me. I think the reason it wasn’t so expensive is that you are taking your 5 core classes the whole year, so you aren’t buying a whole set of books each summer.
One of our textbooks was also paid for by a law firm which was pretty sweet.
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I didn’t buy a single textbook in grad school. Everything we used in all of my courses was available online in some form or other.
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by Draglikepull on Aug 17, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I just don’t use physical textbooks all that much. And as part of the medical school we have great access to digital resources. I bought myself a good anatomy book because I figured I’d keep it forever, but honestly I barely used it and used digital resources instead.
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Per term it’s cheaper, but since you pay for 3 terms instead of 2 the overall cost is a bit higher. I think I paid about $5000 per year of undergrad and $7000 for my one year MA.
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by Draglikepull on Aug 17, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
That’s about right.
Crazy would be NOT overanalyzing everything.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 17, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
/waves
I am not getting paid to do my research, though it’s for myself. If I was doing research for a professor I would be paid but there aren’t a lot of professor funded projects around in my field.
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I did an MA in history and probably about 1/3 of the students in my program got RA positions instead of TA positions. Obviously that differs depending on what school you go to.
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by Draglikepull on Aug 17, 2011 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
well, the field of “peoples moms and the results of nightly encounters with” is a small one
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by elseldo on Aug 17, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
teaching assistanceships are more common I would say. or rather, it supplements your stipend from the department.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Aug 17, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
And from the same journal
“HAND DOMINANCE AND GRIP STRENGTH OF OLDER ASIAN ADULTS”
Uh, anyone want to find out what that’s about? Cause I’m not looking into it
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Oh and
you guys will be pleased to know I asked Tom Awad for access to his numbers for Delta from this past season.
Looking them up right now… forgot to do that while I was sitting on the beach for 4 hours earlier today baking in Nice…
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seriously
it was so effing hot outside… just sitting doing nothing in the sun and the sweat just falls in buckets.
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by Steve Burtch on Aug 17, 2011 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
I can imagine.
I’m also fairly jealous. Never been, but I hear Nice is awesome.
by Self Destructive Zones on Aug 17, 2011 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
My witty side (and I use that term loosely) must not be firing on all cylinders today.
by Self Destructive Zones on Aug 17, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
and that sucks
the web page won’t let me log in… stupid France.
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by Steve Burtch on Aug 17, 2011 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
wope
nm i’m in… not so stupid France.
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by Steve Burtch on Aug 17, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
I was looking up the highest scoring Canadian defenseman under 25 for the last 4 years
And I came across Paul Ranger. Does anyone know what happened to him? He left the league for personal reasons at 25 and is now in University apparently.
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He has declined any interviews, and in July 2010, told GM Steve Yzerman, that he wasn’t “prepared to make a decision one way or another”.
Yeah, if I were in his shoes I would probably tell Steve Yzerman to fuck himself and abandon my promising career I’ve worked my whole life striving towards for no good reason also. /NOT
Presumably there is a good explanation, but fans don’t have any good reason to know what it is.
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by Draglikepull on Aug 17, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe he’s working as a firefighter with Chad Kilger
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by T is for Truculence on Aug 17, 2011 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
grabbo’s personal pineapple harvester #paulrangersnewjob
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by happiergilmore on Aug 17, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
So they’re both playing for the Islanders next season?
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by T is for Truculence on Aug 17, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
maybe
life came along and bit him in the ass somehow… who knows.
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by Steve Burtch on Aug 17, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Does anyone want to hear some
crappy dance music that`s all the rage in France right now? It’s pretty amusing.
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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
So
What does everyone think of Matt Bradley’s comments on Semin?
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Matt Bradly made comments about Semin? Were they the usual comments about Semin?
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Ex-Cap Bradley: Semin wastes his potential
Genesis 38.8 Then Bruce Boudreau said to Alex, "Sleep with your brother’s wife and fulfill your duty to her as a brother-in-law to raise up offspring for your brother." 9 But Alex knew that the child would not be his; so whenever he slept with his brother’s wife, he spilled his Semin on the ground to keep from providing offspring for his brother. 10 What he did was wicked in the OVECHKIN’s sight; so the OVECHKIN put him to death.
So kind of like this is what I assume. (Did not RTFA)
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I just did a quick search, and one of the youtube videos that appeared was Bradley referring to Semin as “jizz”
by Self Destructive Zones on Aug 17, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
umm
read what you just typed?
He doesn’t have to worry about teammates not showing up for the playoffs in Florida.
Sure he does, they won’t make the playoffs (and yes I know that’s the joke… but it reads pretty oddly).
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by Steve Burtch on Aug 17, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
good lord.
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by birky on Aug 17, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I heard he’s in a bit of a sticky situation. Bradley on Semin, that is.
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by happiergilmore on Aug 17, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Ok so,
Tom Awad told me these numbers might not be for the full year as the update was last done in March, but as of mid-March (most of the season) here are the Leafs DELTA SOT numbers:
Grabovski: +7
Kulemin: +4.4
Schenn: +3
MacArthur: +2.5
Liles: +2.2
Armstrong: +1.8
Kadri: +0.1
Boyce: -0.2
Lupul: -0.6
Phaneuf: -1
Kessel: -1
Dupuis: -1
Gunnarsson: -1.1
Brown: -2.2
Orr: -2.3
Komisarek: -3.1
Bozak: -4
Aulie: -4.1
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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
What exactly is a Delta SOT number and how do these numbers compare around the league?
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Delta
is a +/- measure of scoring chances for your team minus those surrendered to the opposition weighted based on location on the ice (and thus the likelihood of scoring a goal).
The SOT part is trying to account for game situation, opposition, and teammate effects, this normalizes it a tad. those were 5v5 numbers I quoted.
As for how it fits with the rest of the league:
Pavelski was tied with Campoli for the league lead (at the time these numbers were taken from) with a +8.8, so Grabovski’s +7 is pretty good. Only 10 players did better than a +7. He was tied with Drew Doughty, and just behind Matt Moulson, Sidney Crosby, and Evgeni Malkin who were at +7.1, and +7.3 (Malkin) respectively.
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by Steve Burtch on Aug 17, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
oh and
just to bug people who were all into dealing him a bit… Stalberg was in the upper echelon of the NHL with a +6.6, which was well ahead of Toews and Kane. Toews was only at +4, and Hossa was at +2.9, while Kane was at -3.6.
Having a high number indicates excellent 2 way play. Being a negative may not mean you suck offensively, it just might mean you give up a shitload of good chances against.
Being a positive only really comes about if you take lots of good chances, and don’t give many up in return.
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by Steve Burtch on Aug 17, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Ah, yes…missing Stalberg’s 24 points this year really hurt the Leafs.
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in his 12 minutes against soft competition with lots of offensive zone starts
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Sometimes advanced stats misses the forest for the trees.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 17, 2011 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
To me a stat like that tells me that there’s value to a player that may go beyond what’s readily perceptible. Doesn’t change the fact that at the end of the day, Stalberg is not having a massive impact in the NHL and probably wouldn’t have made much difference had he been in the Leafs’ lineup.
by Self Destructive Zones on Aug 17, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
it's a counting stat
so doing it in 12 minutes a night actually makes it more impressive, and his offensive zone starts and soft competition do a lot to explain it.
As for his minutes with Kane/Toews/Hossa/etc. he didn’t play the majority of his shifts with those players.
It’s a 5v5 stat, for starters, so his 798 total minutes isn’t frankly very high. He did play a lot with Toews, and Kane (22.14% of his shifts), but he played over 45% of his shifts without either of them (or Hossa).
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by Steve Burtch on Aug 18, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Any sentence that includes the phrase “Stalberg was in the upper echelon of the NHL” makes me wonder the robustness of a statistic.
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by Bower Power on Aug 17, 2011 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Well its a stat thats supposed to look at possession skill and two-way play.
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I think advanced stats have a lot of use, but box-car stats aren’t useless. A guy who only puts up 24 points when his primary line-mates are Toews and Kane just isn’t that great, at least on the offensive side of the game.
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by Draglikepull on Aug 17, 2011 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m expanding my initial point a bit here, but he spent most of his time with either Kane, Toews, Hossa, or Sharp. He played with excellent line-mates and didn’t score much.
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by Draglikepull on Aug 17, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
you mean, sometimes advanced statistics may not reflect reality? color me shocked.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Aug 17, 2011 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, they clearly reflect some aspect of reality, it’s just a question of whether they’re more reflective than other stats.
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by Draglikepull on Aug 17, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
right. in this case, delta reflects some aggregate statistic about chances. which may or may not reflect any reality of an individual’s effect on the game.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Aug 17, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Delta SOT isn’t as rigorously tested as things like Corsi. “Advanced stats” is a dialog and constructive criticism is encouraged.
Saying “lol Stalberg this sucks” isn’t useful. Suggest an improvement.
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but saying ‘his Delta SOT is high so it doesn’t matter if he only scores 27 points" isn’t helpful either if ‘Delta SOT’ is a meaningless number.
i’m a fan of advanced stats. i just don’t think they should trump basic logic.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Aug 17, 2011 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Well duh, I wouldn’t bet the farm on Delta SOT. It’s not mature yet.
But to say “This one stat isn’t perfect yet, advanced stats are dumb” isn’t right.
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advanced stats aren’t dumb. appealing to advanced stats as being inherently more informative than basic stats is a fallacy.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Aug 17, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
"only scores"
27 points?
Yes I often find when looking at a player with the following numbers that I’d say he’s “Bad at hockey”:
Pts/60 = 1.65 (equivalent to Tim Connolly, and superior to Vincent Lecavalier, Alex Frolov, Milan Michalek, Brian Gionta, Jarret Stoll, Ryan Smyth, and Joffrey Lupul – for starters).
Despite this fact, his Corsi REL QoT was 0.964, which is actually WORSE than Connolly, Lecavalier, Smyth, Stoll, and Gionta… only Frolov, Lupul, and Michalek’s were worse than Stalberg’s.
His Corsi REL QoC was easy, and he did get favourable starts, but that’s due to his time in the NHL, and not really a factor relating to his line mates.
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by Steve Burtch on Aug 18, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
he had 24 points
but yeah… he only averaged 10:41 a night in TOI, and his PDO of only 972 indicates that the bounces he saw on the ice weren’t entirely in his favour and he still was a +2 overall.
His Corsi ON of 15.49 was highest on the Blackhawks last year, and his Corsi REL of 11.0 was tied for 2nd on the team with Patrick Kane.
The advanced stats indicate he was a better player than he gets credit for, and despite not scoring amazingly well (his 8.9% shooting might have something to do with that) he could get SOME credit for helping Toews produce his best season to date.
He had 23 ESP, which is the same total as Troy Brouwer, who played 172 more minutes at ES than Stalberg did.
He only had 1 PP point all year, but since his PPTOI was a grand total of 15:50 all season, it’s hard to question why he didn’t produce much of anything with the man advantage.
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by Steve Burtch on Aug 18, 2011 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Lastly
he didn’t get the easiest minutes on the team, the lowest Corsi REL QoC amongst the Hawks scoring forwards goes to Patrick Sharp at -0.028, and Tomas Kopecky at -0.324.
As for “easy minutes” being helped by line mates, Sharp’s Corsi REL QoT was +2.429, and his OZ% for faceoffs was 67.0%. Stalberg’s was only 60.3%.
Sharp was far more sheltered than Stalberg, far more often.
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by Steve Burtch on Aug 18, 2011 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
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But was cool and sat down patiently to talk mostly about what I thought would be a great NHL player in Killer Gilmour with the Cornwall Royals at the time. And what it took to get to the NHL. How many guys have graduated thru the 67 system to the NHL? Would love to check that out.
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They’re my #2 most dispised OHL team but the guy was an OHL legend and it’s too bad for the 67’s he’s stepping down.
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Unlike some nations that compete at the Olympics and sponsor their athletes fully (for instance Russia, China and to some extent the United States), Canadian elite athletes are often not provided for financially in ways that allow them to devote themselves fulltime to their sport. It certainly helps to have such organizations as Sport Canada, part of our federal government’s Department of Canadian Heritage that offer funding support. Their Athlete Assistance Program and Sport Support Program make a definite difference. But they may not cover the full costs of hiring the best coach, buying and maintaining top notch equipment, or paying for travel and living expenses.
Which is why many athletes look for other means of financial support aside from working at a job, because a job can take too many hours a week away from training and require a rigid schedule that doesn’t fit in with the athlete’s hectic life. That’s why you see our top athletes vying for such funding as product endorsements, lucrative public speaking engagements, private donors and corporate sponsorships; Visa Canada’s Team Visa and Rona’s Growing With Our Athletes being prime examples of the latter.
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by happiergilmore on Aug 17, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
This article is directly related to Canadian athletes
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by happiergilmore on Aug 17, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Here is another article with another point I support
Not all countries have pro athletes and therefore their amateur athletes definitely can’t compete with larger countries pro athletes.
http://www.airarticles.com/news/the-impact-of-professional-athletes-on-the-olympics.html
Amateur athletes cannot typically compete with professional athletes for many obvious reasons, and their chance to shine is relegated to sports without professional involvement. The days of teams such as the ‘Miracle on Ice’ team are long gone. The Olympic hockey teams are now comprised of professionals, and the National Hockey League even takes a hiatus so that players may compete for their countries of origin.
The Olympic Games were originally intended for amateurs, but have shifted over and allowed professionals to participate. This does allow for the best of each country to represent their homeland. In that regard, I suppose that that is what the Olympics are all about. Each country would love to send their finest athletes to compete in every event, in hopes of garnering some medals and instilling in their people a sense of national pride.
It is a sign of the times that professionals are allowed to compete in the Olympics, and as long as the best man or woman wins, it is fair for every country to allow their best athletes to perform. Unfortunately for the amateur athletes, big business rears its ugly head and takes away another thing from those not among the elite in society.
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by happiergilmore on Aug 17, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Crap, all three of those middle paragraphs should be block quoted
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by happiergilmore on Aug 17, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
The whole idea is to send the “elite” players. Besides that comment about the “miracle on ice” is pretty silly, because what made it a miracle is that they were playing against professionals (the Russians were professionals).
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by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Aug 17, 2011 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
How the system used to work
http://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.com/index.cfm?PgNm=TCE&Params=a1ARTA0001319
In 1962 Father David BAUER gained the approval of the Canadian Amateur Hockey Association for the concept of a Canadian Olympic hockey team. Bauer had coached the St Michael’s (Toronto) Majors to the 1961 Memorial Cup championship. In September 1963 a group of university players began training under his direction at the University of British Columbia in Vancouver. This team suffered only 2 narrow defeats, to the Soviet Union and Czechoslovakia, at the 1964 Olympics in Innsbruck, Austria, but placed fourth.
In 1965 a permanent national team was established in Winnipeg. Coached by Jackie MacLeod and managed by Father Bauer, it won the bronze medal in the 1968 Olympics at Grenoble, France. As a result of disagreements with the International Ice Hockey Federation over the use of professionals at world championships, Canada withdrew from international amateur hockey entirely and did not send a team to the 1972 and 1976 Winter Olympics. Father Bauer participated in the revival of the Canadian team for the 1980 Olympics at Lake Placid, New York, where the team was defeated by the Soviet Union, Finland and Czechoslovakia to finish out of the medals.
What we used to have is sort of like the USNDP where there was a Canadian National team and you played for them. The Olympics were an opportunity for these guys to showcase their skills and get looked at by pro teams. One such player is Dave Tippett, who was signed by the Whalers following the 1984 Olympics. It was a chance for Amateurs to make it big, now it’s just for guys who are already big to take these opportunities for nothing. I’d rather see guys that maybe are trying to get noticed by pro teams, who will be playing it like its the Stanley Cup finals, rather than an NHL player who doesn’t want to hurt themselves or their NHL team.
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by happiergilmore on Aug 17, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
That sounds a lot like the world juniors. I would rather watch the best in the world.
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by happiergilmore on Aug 17, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Not on one team representing my country that I can cheer for. But we’re really going in circles here. To me its awesome to be able to see the best Canadians represent Canada. You would rather see different faces than the ones you see. To all their own.
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by happiergilmore on Aug 17, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
For me it is not just about watching the best players play hockey, it is about proving that we (Candian’s) are the best at it. The only way to do this is to have the best players, professional or otherwise, represented.
Professional atheletes at the olympics makes sense to me. It is why there have been no Canada Cups since 1991, we have had a venue to prove or attempt to prove that we are the best.
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Well the World Cup essentially replaced the Canada Cup, but there’s only been one of those while NHL players have been able to participate in the Olympics and I think there’s probably a good chance that that might have had something to do with the lockout looming in 2004.
by Self Destructive Zones on Aug 17, 2011 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, but there had been a whole season in between the 94/95 lockout and the 96 World Cup, where as the 04 Lockout started like two days after the 04 World Cup. Might be totally off base, but it just seems to me like the 04 World Cup was unnecessary other than as a reaction to the prospect of year with no NHL looming because it fell in between two winter olympics.
by Self Destructive Zones on Aug 17, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
The Olympic Games were originally intended for amateurs
In 1896 this basilcally meat keeping out the rif raf, as only those who could afford not to work could compete.
There was also a medal for poetry back then, so . . .
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by Draglikepull on Aug 17, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
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Wonder when the king of ethics will offer explanation why everyone at his fine paper are desperately looking to work elsewhere.
Or why he doesn’t mind promoting his friends for broadcast positions, then stays silent when they fail.
Now THAT wud be some fine reading. But probably wouldn’t fit the oh-so-transparent agenda.
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Cox picked a hell of a day to knock someone else’s paper for ethical violations.
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http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/hockey/canucks-enraged-by-toronto-star-gaffe/article2132308/
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Basically they lifted a quote from wikipedia that was incorrect
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
A misquote that had Mike Gillis labelling Rypien as “crazy.”
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by happiergilmore on Aug 17, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
You can see why Gillis might be a bit upset about that
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
Gillis assertion that it was done on purpose by someone with an agenda seems strange to me. Sounds more like laziness than malice.
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by Draglikepull on Aug 17, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Sounds like that article might have been tampered with
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by happiergilmore on Aug 17, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Absolutely, who was the writer?
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by happiergilmore on Aug 17, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Not a misquote, a completely fabricated quote lifted unsourced from wikipedia with no fact checking.
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good point.
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From the paper that brought you “Leaf fan insights courtesy of random Habs fans on Facebook” it’s Wikipedian hearsay about a guy who just died.
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by clrkaitken on Aug 17, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Oh god that was embarrassing.
by Self Destructive Zones on Aug 17, 2011 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions
So, what did Gillis actually say, if anything, regarding Rypien? (and somehow the globe article pulls a 180 and dives into the whole Pacs/Chara incident?!?!? I think the globe article may have been tampered with by hab fans).
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Aug 17, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
The quote that was lifted from wikipedia was Gillis talking about Rypien taking a leave of absence in November. I’m not sure if anyone has actually found the original quote or not – I’m guessing it was just the “but crazy” part that was added, but can’t confirm.
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How did you guys find out about this Wikipedia thing?
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by T is for Truculence on Aug 17, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow that is really meta
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by T is for Truculence on Aug 17, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Some people are good at internet sleuthing.
This is the wikipedia edit log for it though: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rick_Rypien&diff=445248141&oldid=445101618
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by happiergilmore on Aug 17, 2011 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Reimer, Reimer, gotta be startin’ Reimer
I had this stuck in my head all morning while eating breakfast, packing lunch, showering, driving to work.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 17, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I would have thought squirrels or little kids, you know, usual park dwelling creatures.
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by happiergilmore on Aug 17, 2011 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m thinking “Eye of the Tiger” from Rocky which was in Philadelphia…..yeah I dunno.
He says: The tiger is the emblem of Russia, called the ‘Amur‘.
But I always thought Russia’s emblem/symbol was the bear.
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That Eagle shouldn’t have been hanging around so close to the nuclear plant.
by Self Destructive Zones on Aug 17, 2011 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Tigers are cool mmkay
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 17, 2011 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions
PPP didn’t send this to you did he? Because if he did, I’d probably do some fact checking…
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Bleh. Nice detail from an artistic perspective, I guess, but the design looks like something out of a men’s league.
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His old mask had a ton of personality in his kids’ artwork (though without the kids’ stuff, it’s about as bland as his new one).
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that’s stupid
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 17, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
this is how you do a tiger mask
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 17, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
course, that dude thought he actually was a cat….
by Nigel Cadbury on Aug 17, 2011 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I believe it to be a Liger
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by happiergilmore on Aug 17, 2011 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
They are bred for their magical powers
by Nigel Cadbury on Aug 17, 2011 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I always thought those were stripes, and it came up when i googled “awesome tiger goalie mask”
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you’re a towel
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Gratoony the Loony – I laughed
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