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"Put it on net and good things happen" they say, or at least good things happen about 10.83% of the time for forwards who played at least 20 games in the 2010-2011 season. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that there is a strong correlation between shots and goals - it's hard to score without shooting the puck now that Toskala has been laughed out of the NHL.

Following up from a previous fanpost about Kulemin, I wanted to use the factors there to see what 2011/2012 has in store for the Leafs Top 9 (10 if you include Lombardi). Read on to see why I think Grabovski has a shot at 30 goals next season but Kulemin doesn't. And yes, there's math involved - but also graphs!

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Methodology

Essentially what I realized after my previous post is that goal predictions can be hard. There are too many variables in play during the course of a hockey season to compensate for all of them - powerplays drawn/taken, unforeseeable injuries, linemate changes, mid-season trades, wild shooting %s, too many to count.

That's why for the purposes of this work, I'm going to stick to 2 factors (Shots and Ice-time) and hold everything else constant (including shooting % as career sh%). Shots and ice-time seem to be easier to predict as, generally speaking, a player's shooting style and ice-time follow a pattern that doesn't dramatically change unless a player is traded, a coaching change is made, or a player is injured. It will become clear what I mean below.

Regardless of what you think of using shots as a predictor for goalscoring, the charts are interesting to see the pattern of behavior our players exhibit while on the ice.

Line 1A: Joffrey Lupul - Tim Connolly - Phil Kessel (or the "LuCK" line)

I won't waste words on long-winded descriptions of what are obvious patterns to the naked eye. Simply speaking, plotted below are the 30-game moving averages of each players' career average TOI and shots/game. The coloured dotted lines represent the career averages for each, and the dotted black line represents a logarithmic trend line of their shots/game for no other purpose other than showing the player's general shot pattern the linear shooting trend per season.

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Phil Kessel loves to shoot, and ever since he's come to Toronto, he's done just that. Ranked 3rd in the league in terms of absolute # of shots, Kessel is getting every opportunity to score with regard to TOI and shooting the hell out of the ice when he's on it. What's good about this is that it is relatively easy to predict the range of total shots and apply his career sh% to come up with an estimation for his goal output.

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Joffrey Lupul has been the victim of a number of trades over the years, with of course the running joke being that you need to have him on your team if you want to acquire Pronger. Health issues aside, Lupul has been fairly consistent from a shots perspective given his ice-time. The chart above shows how most times that he was traded, he was given more ice-time and as a result, his shot count per game went up, and we can see the initial workings of the same thing happening in Toronto. However, it always seems that he gets bumped down the depth chart due to injuries or other players outplaying him.

Overall his shot count seems to move proportionally to his ice-time, so his final output may have as much to do with how Ron Wilson plays him as anything else.

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Now the above graph seems a bit unfair to Connolly as he is generally regarded as a playmaker, not a shooter, and that shines through with the relatively low # of shots compared to his ice-time. The shot trend is positive but I wouldn't be pencilling Connolly in for 25+ goals anytime soon - he's more likely to get 50 assists with Kessel as the finisher.

Line 1B: Clarke MacArthur - Mikhail Grabovski - Nikolai Kulemin (or the "MaGK" (magic) line)

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Clarke MacArthur, T.O.'s diamond-in-the-rough UFA signing in the summer of 09/10, is showing he can play with the big boys. You can see above how underutilized he was in Buffalo, playing on average 13.7 per game, and finally flourished when given the opportunity to play with some great linemates in Kulemin and Grabovski, earning 16.9 minutes per night. His shot count has gone up proportionally with his ice-time, but much like Connolly, MacArthur is getting most of his points in assists as a playmaker for Kule-Aid and Grabbo.

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If there's another player on the Leafs that can hit 30+ Goals next year, it's Grabovski. The trend above is almost beautiful to see how he's developed his shooting game. Grabbo is earning his ice-time by being a legitimate scoring threat every time he steps on the ice. If he keeps this up or - dare I ask too much - continues to take his game to the next level, the Leafs could have something really special in Grabbo.

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Based on commentary from the other Leafs above, you may already be able to guess why I don't think Kulemin will repeat 30 goals next season. Yes, Kulemin's shot count increased in 2010/2011, but it increased proportionally with extra TOI. In fact, his shots/60 minutes was only slightly above his career average last season, suggesting that for the amount of time he was on the ice, he wasn't shooting any more than he always has, but instead shooting BETTER at 17.3%. I don't think we need to reopen the debate on whether a previously career 11% shooter repeating 17.3% in back to back seasons is a likely outcome.

Line 3: Nazem Kadri - Tyler Bozak/Matthew Lombardi - Colby Armstrong (or the "BLAK" line?)

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By this point in the forward depth chart, these charts become less informative from a prediction standpoint. Clearly Colby's shot chart screams 3rd liner if I ever saw one, which is fine - he knows his role and plays it well (when healthy). Mediocre ice time, low # of shots, and doesn't look like that's going to pick up in the near future. But his role isn't to be shooting the lights out or putting up hat tricks, he's there to be a hard-checking forward making the opposition's job hard, and maybe drawing a few penalties.

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I mostly included this for completeness sake more than anything, as I don't think we can reasonably expect Lombardi to be the same player the next time he steps back on the ice. It is interesting to see that he had all the makings from a shots and TOI standpoint to be a legit top 6 forward. Obviously concussions are scary things - we have no idea what kind of player he will be if & when he ever returns from injury. 

Truthfully I just wanted to include another reminder of the Lombardi+Franson for Lebda trade.

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Note: Due to limited # of games played, I used a 10-game Moving Average for Bozak and Kadri.

As if I needed another way to show that Bozak doesn't look like Top 6 material, here it is. Lots of ice time, low shots, no clear indication that anything is changing in that department. And yes, yes I know he's more of a playmaker than a shooter, but even playmakers shoot a hell of a lot more than this. Based on how he'll probably be slot in next year, we'll probably see a similar or slightly lower shots per game combined with much lower average TOI per game. I hope for Bozak's sake that he manages to find his role on the team - be it 3rd line, PK guy or somehow proving me wrong by making his way back into the top 6. He'll need to do a lot more of this. And this.

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While Kadri's chart clearly has the least amount of information because of the small sample size of NHL games, it does show one cool thing that confirms what our eyes saw - he looked and performed MUCH better on his 2nd callup than his 1st. Trending positively, he was shooting more and more as the season went on. The ~14mins of ice-time he was seeing near the end of the year may or may not be an indication of what he'll see in a 3rd line role next year, it's pretty hard to be definitive based on 29 points of data.

Shots per 60 minutes - How do the Leafs compare once ice-time is accounted for?

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I debated including this one or not, as it's a bit ugly with so many lines overlapping. And don't ask me about those points that fly off into nowhere or to zero, I couldn't get rid of them. I also just realized I forgot Lombardi. 

The key take-away here is the descending order and severity in which our shooters are currently ordered: Kessel by a mile, followed by Lupul, then Grabovski by a nose over Connolly, then Kadri and MacArthur basically neck and neck, and Armstrong then Bozak rounding out the lowest # of shots per 60 minutes.

Connolly and Lupul are interesting cases as they both appear to shoot a fair amount when on the ice - is the Kessel line going to be a shooting gallery next year? Another note: clearly shots aren't the only thing that drives success, as the trio of Grabbo, Kulemin and MacArthur are relatively low on the graph, yet dominated the opposition and almost averaged 60 points each.

Well that was cool - but what does it mean?

Truthfully? Probably not much. The history of how a player has shot doesn't necessarily mean it's how he will in the future - see Grabovski for instance, who has improved his shots/game consistently since he came into the league. Yet it's hard to ignore some basic patterns exist for players that experience goal-scoring success.

Last but not least, predictions using the above data. In general, I used trailing 82-game averages for TOI and Shots/60 minutes combined with their career shooting %s to generate a G/game figure. It should be noted that not all G/82 predictions will hold up because it's unlikely we'll be that lucky again with injuries, and also unlikely 10 players will fit into the top 9 - so if it helps you sleep at night, imagine the 3rd C role being 50% Bozak and 50% Lombardi. Also let's face it, Connolly and Lupul are each going to get hurt for a good 1/3rd of the season.

Situational Adjustments:

  • Due to Bozak's role change from 1st line to 3rd line and the likelihood that if and when Lombardi returns it will be with reduced minutes, I used fellow 3rd liner Colby Armstrong's trailing 82-game TOI average.
  • With Lupul and Connolly joining the 1st line, it seems logical to set their ice-time equal to Kessel's rather than their trailing 82 game TOI, as mostly that was affected by being in a different role on a different team most/all of last year.
  • Oh I also doubled Kadri's Sh% because 5.88% is ridiculous.

Expected G/Game Output (as well as projected for 82):

TOIS/60Sh%G/GameG/82 Games
Kessel 19.46 12.22 10.35% 0.41 33.63
Grabovski 19.13 9.33 12.09% 0.36 29.49
Lupul 19.46 9.98 10.77% 0.35 28.59
Kulemin 17.13 7.39 13.65% 0.29 23.61
MacArthur 16.92 6.66 14.19% 0.27 21.86
Connolly 19.46 8.50 9.33% 0.26 21.08
Kadri 15.62 6.76 11.76% 0.21 16.97
Lombardi 15.70 7.68 9.72% 0.20 16.01
Armstrong 15.70 5.27 13.13% 0.18 14.84
Bozak 15.70 4.60 13.45% 0.16 13.27

 

Glove tab to the always-awesome Hockey-Reference for their spectacular hockey data library.

Lastly, I dedicate this post to Chaim Weisswasser. Congrats on winning that phone.

All Data used in the above analysis here.

Poll
Besides Kessel, which Toronto Maple Leaf will score the most goals in 2011/2012?
Mikhail Grabovski
71 votes
Nikolai Kulemin
55 votes
Joffrey Lupul
16 votes
Zach Parise
74 votes

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Tsk tsk tsk. You didn’t label your axis

by sodonis on Aug 19, 2011 12:33 AM EDT reply actions  

Wow

Great. Just great. Those predictions seem like good numbers to build a range around.

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by PPP on Aug 19, 2011 12:34 AM EDT reply actions  

The logarithmic trendlines are a disaster.

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by Chemmy on Aug 19, 2011 12:58 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

This. Also I would like to see a line for goals… I think it would be interesting.

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by jimmyp22 on Aug 19, 2011 2:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

No, that linear regression is much more revealing actually.

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by Chemmy on Aug 19, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

It just looks like it’s projecting towards a shot/game that isn’t realistic for next season, when in reality it’s not supposed to be predicting anything but just there for display purposes.

But I may be able to get a happy medium by showing piece-wise averages for each year and stringing them together. Clearly the log regression is wrong but the slope as of the most recent date more closely represents what next year’s projection is than the straight linear one. I’ll maybe try when I get home and see if it looks better.

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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 19, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

linear starting from the trade date might be interesting, too.

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by Bower Power on Aug 19, 2011 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hmm all good ideas.

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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 19, 2011 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

*piece-wise linear trendlines that is, not piece-wise averages.

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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 19, 2011 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lastly, I dedicate this post to Chaim Weisswasser. Congrats on winning that phone.

LOL. Poor bastard. He doesn’t know what he’s done. This will happen in every post for the next year or more, I guarantee it.

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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Aug 19, 2011 1:25 AM EDT reply actions  

The meme will be beaten to death long before the year is up

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by PKSube on Aug 19, 2011 6:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

As soon as hockey starts we’ll forget all about Chad whatshiswassel

by Tickle Me Aulie on Aug 19, 2011 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have a hard time believing Kadri scores 17 goals. That would be great production from him this year. I just don’t see it.

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by birky on Aug 19, 2011 8:48 AM EDT reply actions  

Well I did randomly double his shooting % because I thought 5.88% was atrocious.

A lot will depend on how much ice-time he gets on the 3rd line and if he gets PP opportunities.

In that sense, he was very unlucky in a small sample size. Per 60 minutes he shoots more often than MacArthur and a little bit less than Kulemin.

Mentally it does seem tough to imagine based on watching him last year, but other than my complete guess at his shooting % and dealing with a small sample size, I don’t see the flaw in the logic.

I know it’s AHL and it’s a poor proxy, but he was shooting 17.7% with the Marlies.

They don’t seem to keep track of shots in junior. Damn.

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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 19, 2011 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Why is Zach Parise up there?

…I thought he was injured and wouldn’t be available for most of the season?!?

Oh wait, that was Travis Zajac, geesh these names with "Z"s in them are really easy to mix up…

oh wait…

by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Aug 19, 2011 8:54 AM EDT reply actions  

Phenomenal post. Abso-rec’d.

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by Bower Power on Aug 19, 2011 9:41 AM EDT reply actions  

Amazing work again man, good job.

I don’t know how well your statistical method holds up against reality, but I will say that your predictions look pretty realistic to me. I’d guess Kessel scores a few more than your model estimates, and Lupul and Kadri score a few less, but it looks more or less accurate to me. But then, that’s not accounting for luck, and we saw what a bit of luck did for Kulemin last year.

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by Draglikepull on Aug 19, 2011 9:42 AM EDT reply actions  

But then, that’s not accounting for luck

Bingo. I have one more post in me before the summer is out on a few sensitivities – including what it will take for Kessel to hit 40+ and the liklihood.

A lot of people think my predictions may be off but they have to remember that this is the Mean expectation, and there is most definitely a range. For example, I backtested it for Corey Perry and Kulemin based on data excluding this season and it spit out 33G for Perry and 17G for Kulemin, so clearly “anything can happen”.

As for the statistical robustness of my predictions it probably violates a number of assumptions, especially when I do things like arbitrarily doubling Kadri’s shooting%.

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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 19, 2011 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

You give math a bad name.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Aug 19, 2011 10:54 AM EDT reply actions   2 recs

Nice job! So the projections listed above imply 204 goals (averaging Bozak/Lombardi) for our top 9 vs 162 we scored last year… I would love that, would put us near the top of the league… obviously there will be sensitivity but last year our bottom 6 scoring was atrocious (34 goals – with Armstrong/Brent accounting for half of those). If our top 6 score about the same rate we could be laughing in the goals department… not to mention, I think our D will be more productive this year.

by Dr_Furious on Aug 19, 2011 11:08 AM EDT reply actions  

As I said below, the sum of the total output for players wasn’t meant to be looked at at a “team-level” as it implies perfect health for all 9 (.5 Bozak/.5 Lombardi)

I realize now it didn’t come off clearly but I had no intention of implying 204 goals from our Top 9. In that I have failed.

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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 19, 2011 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Incredible work

My only quibble is at the end the projected ice time for those 10 guys adds up to almost 175. I understand we’re putting aside injury risk here (since it can’t be predicted) but I think we have to assume the bottom 2 get at least 10-15 minutes per game.

Also, your projections add up to 220 goals. Even assuming the bottom 2 get nothing, that seems wildly optimistic. Vaoncouver’s forwards only tallied 232 last year. The Leafs as a team only scored 213. If we get 190 out of this group I think that would be amazing.

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by The '67 Sound on Aug 19, 2011 11:16 AM EDT reply actions  

Well assume 1 is injured so only 9 are playing, then your total TOI would be around 160 total, so that leaves 20 mins combined for the 4th line or about 7 mins per night/4th line player, sounds about right.. also not sure how PP/SH TOI plays into this which obviously impacts how much time each line gets.

As for the goals you’re right, injuries will def impact this…but the Leafs actually do have a deep top 9 just as has mentioned before, no “elite” talent that you usually need to win cups.

by Dr_Furious on Aug 19, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

10 forwards, so cut Bozak and Lombardi in half (or Lombardi and Kadri), and the group ends up at 204.71 (205), and it’s over an 82 game basis, so you’d drop some goals as the replacement level AHLers aren’t going to score at the same pace (190-195?)

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by Bower Power on Aug 19, 2011 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that’s how I figure it. 185-195 from this group, another 10-15 from the rest of the Fs, 20-25 from the D, you’re at 215-235.

Crap, that’s probably overly optimistic too.

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by The '67 Sound on Aug 19, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yep.

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by birky on Aug 19, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think it’s probably going to be more like 175-190 from the “Top 10”. I think my other estimates are realistic, which gives you a range of 205-230, which seems reasonable.

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by The '67 Sound on Aug 19, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

I tried to work out the D, then realized I have absolutely no idea. Phaneuf was on a 10 goal pace last year, but picked it up near the end. Liles had 6, but had a 3.7% shooting percentage, despite a career 7.0. Who knows how much icetime Franson really sees, and does Schenn get any power play time now that Franson is here? Does Connolly play the left PP point or Gunnarsson? Does Komisarek see any (read: too much) ice time? Whose does he take?

It’s not a bad problem to have, because everyone except Komi is either a legitimate offensive threat, or could be an emergent one (Schenn), but it makes predictions really rough.

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by Bower Power on Aug 19, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think Schenn is an emerging offensive threat. I think a couple of goals have made us whacky for his offensive potential that is mostly in our heads.

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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 19, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Poor wording on my part – he’s not going to suddenly become a dominant offensive defenseman in the league or anything, but if he got PP time, he could have a jump above an expectation based simply on last year’s production + natural growth.

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by Bower Power on Aug 19, 2011 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

except

for the fact that he’s only ever produced 1 point on the PP in 3 seasons of hockey, so why we think he’d produce more with PP time when he’s already played 118:48 over 3 years and produced 1 point.

118:48 is long enough to determine it doesn’t work for him.

Gunnarsson produced 3 goals and 4 assists for 7 points in only 91:16 of PP ice time last year. In his 2 years in Leaf land he’s posted 9 points in 171:03 of PP ice time, which frankly isn’t great, but it’s a lot better than 1 point in 118:48.

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by Steve Burtch on Aug 19, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’s 21. Nothing has been determined. Like I said, he isn’t going to wake up and be some offensive powerhouse or anything, but…

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by Bower Power on Aug 19, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

5 even strength goals at 21 years old is pretty good. Granted, he had a lot of ice time compared to some of the guys on that list but he had similar ice time to Doughty (6 ESG), Carlson (6 ESG), and Phaneuf (4 ESG).

by stevesmith19 on Aug 20, 2011 3:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

The ice time thing is an issue and you can see that I did a shot in the dark for a few players (Bozak, Lombardi, Lupul, Connolly)

As for total goals that was mostly meant as illustrative as people like to see full-season projections.

The important thing that the Shots/TOI prediction outputs is the Goals/Game, as there is no way in hell we get 82 games each from this group of players.

Wasn’t really meant to be looked at from a “Team-level” perspective (but it’s a fair point). As Bower Power meantioned, the “Team Level” total output will be lower than the sum of the group above due to replacement with less skilled players.

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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 19, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

easily solved

give Lombardi 0 for not playing. (-16)

give Connolly 10-15. (-6 to -11)

give Kadri 12. (-5)

give Lupul 25. (-4)

give Armstrong 10. (-4)

There we just dropped the total from 220 to a range of 180 – 185.

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by Steve Burtch on Aug 19, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Late to the party and all

but I am visiting from France so whatever,

anyway… decent projections, but I think the number on Kulemin and Bozak are a tad low, and the numbers on Lupul and Connolly are a tad high. I just don’t see Lupul getting those minutes, and I don’t see Connolly getting over 20 goals (probably due to injuries).

I think Bozak’s minutes are higher because he’ll fill in when Conolly is injured, and I think the MGK line eats into our top line’s minutes a bit more than you’re predicting.

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by Steve Burtch on Aug 19, 2011 1:11 PM EDT reply actions  

for the record

I’d say Lupul ends up around 18 minutes a night, perhaps lower (around 17 minutes) even after the trade last year he only saw 17:51 a night for the Leafs… I don’t see Connolly playing over 19 a night… he has averaged over 19:07 once in his entire career.

I think Bozak at 15:42 a night is a bit ridiculous. He is very unlikely to drop from 19:14 in year one, and 19:17 in year two to 15:42… The main spot he’ll lose minutes is on the PP where he played around 3 minutes a night the past two years. But if Connolly is playing the point, and he’s still on the top PP as a play making C, then he shouldn’t drop that drastically.

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by Steve Burtch on Aug 19, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Bozak at 15:42 a night is a bit ridiculous. He is very unlikely to drop from 19:14 in year one, and 19:17 in year two to 15:42

I personally don’t think it’s ridiculous at all as I see him in a completely different role next year than he was in his first two seasons.

But if Connolly is playing the point, and he’s still on the top PP as a play making C, then he shouldn’t drop that drastically.

It’ll be interesting to see what the Leafs do with the PP, as it will obviously be a huge determing factor in where the projections go since they are based on TOI and shots, both heavily influenced by special teams.

I’d say right now the Leafs have 4 offensive-esque defenseman that will see regular PP times in Phaneuf, Gunnar, Liles and Franson, so it’ll be interesting to see if they play Connolly on the point or Bozak at all.

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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 19, 2011 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I agree with a number of Steve’s comments but I doubt Bozak will get much over 15 mpg. And if Lombardi’s healthy at all that could go way down.

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by The '67 Sound on Aug 19, 2011 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll agree

that if Lombardi is healthy, Bozak is quite possibly the one that suffers the most (although I think Kadri is far more likely to lose minutes if he isn’t performing when Lombardi is ready).

As for Bozak being in a “completely different role”… the only role that will significantly change for him is his PP ice time. His ES ice time will likely drop by at most 2 minutes, which still would only put him at 17 minutes a night if he continues to play on the PP at all regularly (and considering he saw more PP ice time than Grabovski last year I don’t see why that would change at this point).

I think it’s really early to assume that Bozak is going to drop by almost 4 minutes in ice time a game.

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by Steve Burtch on Aug 19, 2011 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

also

I think what many people are forgetting is that Bozak is entering only his 2nd full year in the NHL and I strongly anticipate him being far more physically prepared and interested in performing offensively this year than he was last year. He’ll have a much better handle on where his game is at and what he needs to improve on.

I think the grind of the 82 game schedule is behind him now, and playing 19 minutes a night will have helped him prepare for that. Seeing a slightly easier competition level, and being put into a position where he’s more likely to succeed won’t hurt him much either.

People are all ready to declare LAST year’s Bozak the real Bozak, despite the fact that reality says we’ve had a few different Tyler Bozak’s so far.

Look at his performance game by game in stretches of 15 games or so, and a different picture emerges as his career has progressed:

G1-15 = 3G, 8A, 11Pts
G16-30 = 4G, 7A, 11Pts
G31-45 = 2G, 7A, 9Pts
G46-60 = 2G, 1A, 3Pts
G61-75 = 4G, 4A, 8Pts
G76-90 = 1G, 4A, 5Pts
G91-105 = 2G, 2A, 4Pts
G106-119 = 5G, 3A, 8Pts

So in eight 15 game stretches, he produced 8 points or more on 5 occasions, and 5 points or less on 3 occasions.

Why would we thus assume he’s likely to become a guy that REGULARLY produces around 27 points on the limited sample size we DO have access to. He’s been inconsistent thus far to be certain, but a lot of that has to do with the situations he’s been placed in. Based on those numbers above here are his PPG for each stretch of play:

0.73
0.73
0.60
0.20
0.53
0.33
0.27
0.53

The average of all of those values is 0.49 ppg, which translates to a guy that is capable of giving you around 40 points in a season. He may or may not work out to that, but I think he definitely has the ability to be that level of player. I think the coaching staff and management realize this also, which is part of why he’s gotten all the opportunities he has. They weren’t doing it just out of milk and kindness.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Aug 19, 2011 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

They weren’t doing it out of milk and kindness, they were doing it because the Leafs have had dreadful depth at centre and he was the only option to play with Kessel once the MGK line clicked. Who else were they going to play, Brent? Boyce? Zigomanis? Hanson? They tried Kadri and that didn’t work. They tried Kessel as his line’s centre and that didn’t work. They were stuck with Bozak because they were out of other options.

Last year he played the 24th most minutes of any forward in the league, more than guys like Henrik Sedin, Dany Heatley, and Henrik Zetterberg, and he spent most of those minutes with one of the league’s elite goal scorers, and he only put up 32 points. Now, playing reduced minutes with worse linemates he’s going to be capable of putting up roughly 1/3 more points?

I would love it if Bozak becomes an Andy McDonald type guy who comes out of college and then after a few years raises his game, and maybe he will, but I think this is a case of you looking at a Leaf through rose-coloured glasses and interpreting the stats in a way that’s very convenient.

The plural of "anecdote" is not "data".
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by Draglikepull on Aug 19, 2011 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think

I have a rational reason for my belief, but you dismiss it as rose coloured glasses.

That’s nice… your crap brown coloured glasses are just as logical I assume?

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Aug 21, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

I pretty clearly explained my reasons:

- his minutes will come down
- he got those minutes because the Leafs lacked for talented centres, not because management thought he was good
- his linemates will be the worst he’s had since he became an NHL regular

That doesn’t sound like a recipe for significant improvement to me.

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by Draglikepull on Aug 21, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think

In all honesty, part of the problem last year was playing with the likes of Kris Versteeg.

He had 3 ES points with Kris Versteeg… but played over 17% of his ES ice time with him on the ice.

Considering he had 32 points, 21 of which came at ES, then the fact that he had only 14% of his production with Versteeg on the ice, sort of indicates that didn’t work out for whatever reason.

His production with Kessel wasn’t really the problem necessarily. He had 16 of his 21 ES points with Kessel on the ice (76%), while Kessel was on the ice with him for around 75% of his shifts.

I think the real difference maker for Bozak was Joffrey Lupul though. He only played around 24% of his shifts with Lupul at ES, but he had 6 points with him on the ice (29% of his production).

On the PP it grows even more obvious, when you add in the 4 PP points (36% of his production) he put up with Lupul on the ice, while they only playing around 21% of his PP ice time with him.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Aug 21, 2011 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

The most important thing for

Bozak is likely having a sizeable winger on his line that goes to the net with some authority, and can help in the corners. If Colby Armstrong can do that, then he’ll probably put up some points.

From the time Lupul joined the Leafs to the end of the season, Tyler Bozak had 7 goals and 5 assists in 28 games (0.43 ppg), prior to that point he had 8 goals and 12 assists in 54 games (0.37 ppg).

I don’t personally think that’s entirely a coincidence.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Aug 21, 2011 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

We'll have to agree to disagree on this one Steve.

I think Bozak plays 3rd line minutes until an injury strikes, and may temporarily move up – but if any 3rd line player is going to move into the top 6 I’d like to see Kadri get more ice instead of Bozak.

Forwards I’d rather have on the PP than Bozak: Kessel, Kulemin, Grabovski, Lupul, Kadri, Connolly. That doesn’t leave a lot of PP time for him.

I was a huge Bozak fan last summer but I just don’t see it anymore.

Crazy would be NOT overanalyzing everything.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 19, 2011 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Whoops, forgot MacArthur, I’d also like to see him get more PP time.

Crazy would be NOT overanalyzing everything.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 19, 2011 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

not sure

why we’ve got Kadri ahead of Bozak on the PP necessarily. Particularly since Kadri’s skills as a C haven’t shown much at the NHL level. The only players Bozak will compete for time on the PP with from that list are Connolly and Grabovski, both of whom I agree deserve more ice time than Tyler. That being said, Connolly also plays the point on the PP, to a fair bit of effectiveness, so it’s possible they’ll both be on the ice at one time.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Aug 21, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

By popular demand (not really)

I replaced the dumb log pattern with annual linear trends to see how each player changed from the previous season.

No dramatic changes, but Grabbo is still awesome.

Crazy would be NOT overanalyzing everything.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 19, 2011 8:54 PM EDT reply actions  

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