Hockey Solstice
by JP Nikota on Aug 2, 2011 7:00 AM EDT
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PrintIt has now been 114 days since an NHL team played a regular season game, and 48 days since we last saw any playoff action. It will be another 48 days until the start of the preseason, when on September 19th, (some of) the Leafs will take on (some of) the Ottawa Senators. Today is the tipping point. From now on, we are more than halfway towards seeing real hockey.
I can almost smell the fresh ice.
Links after the jump.
Sale of St. Louis Blues Starts to Move Forward
From David Rogers at The Hockey Writers.
The Overrated Value of a Faceoff
Good stuff from Cam Charron, over at The Leafs Nation.
Top 25 Under 25
Jon S, over at Puckin' Eh, has his list put together for the Leafs.
NHL Waiver Rules
Because these will become all the more important once we start talking about who will make the team out of training camp, Waiver Rules are a good thing to refresh on. From Freddy Doll at the Hockey Writers.
Sharks sign Brent Burns to extension
Five years, $28.8M. Many of you saw this yesterday, but there wasn't an FTB yesterday, either. I blame Admin Bot 3000. From the AP at the Globe.
Devils place defenceman Colin White, forward Trent Hunter on waivers
New Jersey GM Lou Lamoriello says team will buy out both player's contracts if they are not claimed. Again, from the AP at the Globe.
Turnout low as polls close for Islanders arena vote - The Globe and Mail
Nassau County residents deciding whether to support a $400-million bond issue to replace the 39-year-old Nassau Veterans Memorial Coliseum. The results should be announced later on tonight, when I am fast asleep, so you'll be able to check by the time you read this. By Frank Eltman at the Globe.
UPDATE @ 11:09 p.m.:
FriedgeHNIC Elliotte FriedmanPost 11pm update on Islanders arena vote. Doesn't look good: RT @ehornick 45% in YES 24,553 42.28 NO 33,526 57.72
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by Fergus30 on Aug 2, 2011 7:52 AM EDT reply actions 4 recs
Actually, I believe that we are on the hump.
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by happiergilmore on Aug 2, 2011 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions
who is this WE?
the Leafs?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
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by happiergilmore on Aug 2, 2011 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Final vote tally in for the Islanders’ Arena
The proposal to replace the 39-year-old Nassau Veterans Memorial Coliseum in Uniondale, Long Island, was defeated 57 percent to 43 percent, according to the Nassau County Board of Elections.
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Are we surprised?
how long has the lighthouse project been going back and forth like this now?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
I hope Wang keeps his word and really is done with Nassau County forever, because that’s clearly what the voters and politicians want – no Islanders.
On the Mike Weber bandwagon!
I hate Christian Ehrhoff because he should have been Tomas Kaberle.
Except......
That the Islanders’ lease of the Coliseum goes through 2015 so they’re going to be sticking around for a little while longer at least.
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If Wang is serious I’m sure there is some sort of buyout clause or loophole that he can play his games elsewhere…
He’s said he will honor the lease and strongly implied that was all he was planning to do (Isn’t this also when his amazingly lucrative tv contract runs out?)
On the Mike Weber bandwagon!
I hate Christian Ehrhoff because he should have been Tomas Kaberle.
I’ve been saying it for years, they should have gotten in on the new Nets stadium being built in Brooklyn. But now it’s going to be too late for them to add in the features necessary for ice making without significant costs and delays. Wang screwed himself on that one.
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via puck daddy
Blog in the New York Post says:
However, arena officials yesterday confirmed the Barclays Center will be fitted with an NHL-regulation size arena when it opens in Sept. 2012, although they declined comment on potential interest in the Islanders. The arena holds 18,000 seats for basketball, but some seating would have to be removed to accommodate hockey. Sources said the arena could hold about 14,500 seats for hockey.
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14,500 seats would make it the smallest arena in the NHL….which isn’t really a problem because the Islanders never sell out.
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They’d sell out if they were mass transit accessible, and in Brooklyn. So, is it better to have a big arena that no one can get to, or a small arena that everyone can get to? Also, aren’t you screwed when this is the question you’re asking?
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The Coliseum is less than a mile from the LIRR and there is considerable bus service in the area. The ‘lack of mass transit’ knock isn’t a very good one.
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Interesting. Maybe I’m misinformed, but I’ve read a bunch of people saying they weren’t interested in hitting up an Isles game because of the distance (I think the phrase “12 busses”* was used). Is an LIRR ticket from manhattan to there expensive, or people just avoid LIRR or something?
*Sic. I refuse to spell it buses.
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Well it’s hard to get to from Manhattan because you have to get to Penn Station to get on. Penn Station can be a bitch to get to and through after work when games are played, and then it’s about an hours ride to the nearest stop. Costs about $10, $16 during peak hours.
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So “restrictive,” but hardly “totally inaccessible.” I think the point stands that if it were “more accessible” you’d see a better turn out (I mean, the Rangers have put a mediocre product on the ice for years, but they fill house).
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I may be totally incorrect so someone more local correct me if I am (Skinny?)
But the way I understand it is that the Rangers are the older more, established team. The Islanders much less so (but htey did have the early 80s dynasty)
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They’re definitely not the same thing. Just pointing out that moving closer to the city can’t hurt.
Unless you’re chopping out 2,000 seats, I suppose.
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Everything around the Islanders, from the fans to the owners, just screams apathy to me.
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Yeah, it’s nice to see. They’ve come a long way from grossly incompetent.
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They might be OK until their TV deal runs out
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Hasn’t kept them profitable now. Not sure it’ll be any better if (when?) they actually have to spend money on their roster.
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Oh my god no! Isn’t that what’s going to do in Winnipeg?
by Leaf in Habland on Aug 2, 2011 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Except the voters weren’t voting on “do you like the Islanders?” or “Would you go to an Islanders game if they didn’t suck?” They were voting on “do you like the Islanders enough to have taxpayers take on $350 million dollars in risk?”
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Gorgeous day out today for a Shea Weber arbitration hearing.
this should set the stage for the Schenn, Doughty contracts to fall into place.
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If
the Preds lose, do they trade him? I wouldn’t be surprised if that happens.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
also
I don’t think Schenn’s deal should really have much to do with Doughty or Weber’s contracts… since he isn’t even remotely close to them in terms of impact offensively.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
Well that’s definitely true,
I just think Burke might want to use these negotiations as bargaining chips. Because Luke’s agent can’t compare him to Doughty or Weber, there’s no leverage there to squeeze more money out of Burke and MLSE. I’m sure he’ll get a more then fair contract,
I think that makes sense, I’m still on coffee #2 so i’m not completely sure.
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Schenn and Doughty have the same agent, so I’m sure Doughty’s deal is the more pressing issue and taking up most of his time.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Aug 2, 2011 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Excatly, but after these deals get done, there’s no way Luke’s agent can command a comparable salary to either of them.
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right
But Weber could get north of $7 mill… Doughty could get $6.5+ himself… that doesn’t really help clear up the Schenn situation.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
Schenn
shouldn’t even be close to $4 mill… let alone in that ballpark.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
If he’s anything under 3.8 per, I’d be happy. I’m expecting between 3.5 – 4, but you never know. Schenn didn’t file for arbitration right?
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by happiergilmore on Aug 2, 2011 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Schenn, like Doughty and Stamkos, were not eligible for arbitration as they haven’t played enough years/games.
Crazy would be NOT overanalyzing everything.
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Right, I forgot about that rule. Thanks
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by happiergilmore on Aug 2, 2011 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Regardless of whether or not Schenn is even in the same stratosphere as those guys (he’s not), seeing what the big names get will absolutely be used as a benchmark for what RFA dmen are getting this offseason. They can grade him in terms of 1/2 Doughty or a 1/3 Weber.
Once Weber’s arb goes through and Doughty get signed, Bogosian and Schenn will follow afterwards, even though their deals will be much lower.
Crazy would be NOT overanalyzing everything.
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I thought that once a player goes through arbitration they cannot be traded for a year.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Aug 2, 2011 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions
This is what I thought too
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by happiergilmore on Aug 2, 2011 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions
hmm
that may be the case… in which case nevermind.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
I also doubt they trade him. Optics would look pretty bad. They have to shell out big money for someone eventually.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Aug 2, 2011 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions
so he's their
Tomas Vanek?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
In principal.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Aug 2, 2011 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions
principle.
what is it with you guys and homonyms.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
Maybe he was referring to getting with his high school Principal?
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
or she
“she” might?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
It’s early and I’m at work.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Aug 2, 2011 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t put much stalk into these kind of things.
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by CanadianMaple09 on Aug 2, 2011 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
*your
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by happiergilmore on Aug 2, 2011 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Eye don’t think it was done on porpoise.
Flugenweb, space code, twit zone, ass mode, check ze tweets.
I heard the corniest ad for (I think) the zoo
It was something along the lines of “Life needs a porpoise”
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Man, the only thing I hate more than cheesy puns used like that are pun competitions: there was one a while back and I submitted 10 of them, when I checked if I had won I was pretty pissed off as no pun in ten did.
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by Shield on Aug 2, 2011 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Vanek was offer sheeted and matched. Weber is arbitration.
The Lebda Franson trade happened so that they could commit more money to the team. I think if Weber gets a big deal (capped at a one year contract, of course), they’ll still happily take it, but you’re more likely to see Rinne moved. Rinne’s contract is up next year, he’s massively undervalued at 3.4M, and they’ve got Lindback going (10-11, 22 GP, .915). Also, Suter is UFA next year, making just 3.5M now.
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I hate Christian Ehrhoff because he should have been Tomas Kaberle.
I thought that was just matching offer sheets where you can’t trade a player for 1 full year.
Crazy would be NOT overanalyzing everything.
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Maybe you’re right. For some reason I thought they could not be traded.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Aug 2, 2011 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions
lose how? It’s a one year deal and they have plenty of cap space.
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lose
as in pay him more than they want to? Why go to arbitration at all if you can’t “lose”? Just hand the player’s agent a cheque and tell him to fill it out in that case.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
and it
could be a two year deal… they hand those out in arbitration also.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
they obviously want to keep his salary at a lower rate, but you really think they’d ever walk away from the award?
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I hope YouTube comes down to film this.
Weber isn’t leaving Nashville. I’d put the odds of them trading him at about 2%.
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by Draglikepull on Aug 2, 2011 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions
If he only takes 1 year deal, whatever happens next year is unpredictable.
I never thought it would even be a possibility that Parise would be a pending UFA in 2012, and yet here we are.
Sometimes crazy shit happens.
Crazy would be NOT overanalyzing everything.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 2, 2011 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
The Parise thing didn’t surprise me, really. But Weber has said he wants to stay in Nashville, and Nashville clearly wants to keep him. He’s not going anywhere.
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by Draglikepull on Aug 2, 2011 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
ButWeberParise has said he wants to stay inNashvilleNew Jersey, andNashvilleNew Jersey clearly wants to keep him. He’s not going anywhere.
Just sayin’.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 2, 2011 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t recall Parise coming out months ago saying his plan was to stay in NJ and that they were going to get a long-term deal done, which Weber did (with Nashville, obviously).
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by Draglikepull on Aug 2, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Parise has consistently said he wants to stay in NJ.
I just think “saying” you want a long term deal done and actually getting one done are two completely different things.
I have a hard time trusting anything players say in regards to their contracts, etc. as they all have PR reps and agents who are feeding them what to say.
Crazy would be NOT overanalyzing everything.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 2, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
not to mention
the fact that it’s kinda horrible as a negotiating tactic to come out and say the opposite.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 2, 2011 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
What do you mean by lose? Also if you accept an arbitration hearing aren’t there rules saying you can’t trade for a certain amount o ftime?
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I already
answered that question above… and we discussed the trade thing also.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 2, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m pissed.
I started my first draft on the weekend for my keeper league. We’re trying to get a lot of it out of the way by just letting it run for the summer and then giving 24hr per pick max, though hopefullly we get through a round every day or two. Anyway, I was just about to pick Quick for my goalie with my second pick, and the guy two before me, who is my ex-roommate had to snatch him :(
I thought it was fine though cuz I was gonna take Rinne, and then he got snatched right before me. Now I’m screwed for goalies :(
I’m gonna venture a guess that toskala is available
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Aug 2, 2011 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions
if you want a good young goalie
why not go for Ward, or Crawford… you could also look at Reimer, Bernier, Pavelec,
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
Crawford
would be a good choice frankly… Chicago will be good for a while yet with their D.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
Schneider?
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Aug 2, 2011 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Backup?
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by happiergilmore on Aug 2, 2011 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions
good
but is he starting anytime soon with Luongo in there?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
Could be traded. Don’t see him being a backup much longer.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Aug 2, 2011 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions
I think he’s a starter by next October, book it.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Aug 2, 2011 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions
He's
going for a king’s ransom… do we really want to start that cycle of speculation? Lets shall we?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
Either he or Luongo…..
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Aug 2, 2011 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions
right
they’d get more for Schneider because the only reason you move Luongo is if you’ve given up on him as your main guy.
Luongo also costs way more from a Salary standpoint. I think Schneider is the tradeable asset frankly.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
for sure
more teams would be in on Schneider than Luongo methinks.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
that'd be some crazy trade discussion
think of all the young assets Vancouver could land. They’ve got some good goalie prospects in the AHL also.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
speaking of the AHL
anyone see that Craig MacTavish is going to coach the Chicago Wolves next year?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
Good for him. Couldn’t stand him on TSN, he was very… bland.
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by happiergilmore on Aug 2, 2011 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions
at least he didnt talk out of his ass like most of his colleagues
by Tickle Me Aulie on Aug 2, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
as a rookie
Eddie Lack went 28-21-4 with a 2.26 GAA, and a .926 SV%.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
oh and
he had 5 shut outs.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
I saw a game or two of him, he’s really good.
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by happiergilmore on Aug 2, 2011 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah
he stoned the Marlies a few times.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
I was at one of the games towards the end of the year, he was money.
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by happiergilmore on Aug 2, 2011 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions
he's also
6’4"… he’s got good size… and he’s only turning 23 this year.
He’s played 4 pro seasons in his native Sweden also, for Leksands-IF, and Brynas
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
Yeah, I didn’t realize he’s Swedish. Sounds like a pretty promising kid, professional pedigree at 23 and putting up great numbers in the A
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by happiergilmore on Aug 2, 2011 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah
I saw him interviewed… he’s definitely scandanavian… reminded me of Gustavsson a lot in his mannerisms weirdly.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
The first thing Vancouver should look at is his composure in big games… their one flaw at the moment
well
in the playoffs, Lack went 6-5 but he had a 1.99 GAA, and .932 SV%…so superior to his regular season numbers.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
Or you know, scoring more than 8 goals in 7 games in the final
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
I think
the problem with that is… Tim Thomas?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
I think that was a part, but there were other things too.They put up 14 goals on Nashville in 6 games, and that team is definitely on par with Boston defensively
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
right
but Pekka Rinne isn’t Tim Thomas…. sorry.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
and Nashville
is better than Boston defensively… Boston just has better goaltending.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
What about the forwards? Boston> ?
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by happiergilmore on Aug 2, 2011 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Bergeron
is better than Kesler… for the record.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 2, 2011 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
I'd look into that further
if I was you… he was better this year.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 2, 2011 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
I debated this
with DraglikeIpull in the playoffs… with lots of numbers.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 2, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Bergeron
came out ahead in like every category.
Kesler plays with the Sedins, kinda skews things.
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by Steve Burtch on Aug 2, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t feel like re-hashing that argument, but I don’t agree with what you think you proved. I think the numbers show that Kesler is a superior player, at least offensively.
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by Draglikepull on Aug 2, 2011 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
lol
you don’t feel like re-hashing it because you don’t want me to re-post the numbers? but you do feel like re-stating your point? interesting way of not “rehashing” something.
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by Steve Burtch on Aug 2, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
that's like saying
“I don’t want any of the details discussed, but I do want to air my viewpoint without any supporting data.”
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by Steve Burtch on Aug 2, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
unfortunately
I can’t use the SBN search option right now, without rehashing I could just direct people to the previous discussion.
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by Steve Burtch on Aug 2, 2011 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
No
But Tim Thomas isn’t that much better than Rinne to make up cutting the G/game by half
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2.33 goals per game is “okay,” but hardly great, or “look at our offensive ability.”
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I wasn’t saying it was.
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Going from 3.15 goals in the regular season to 2.3 goals in the playoffs is a pretty drastic drop, even for a 25 game sample.
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true
but losing players like Raymond and Samuelsson to injury didn’t help did it.
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I wasn’t claiming it wasn’t? Believe me, I know it’s shitty, and people don’t mention it enough. They just want to focus on Luongo and forget that the offense blew chunks.
Of course, facing Chicago, Nashville and Boston is going to limit your offense. Those are all very good defensive teams
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GA Ranks (out of 16): 9th, 11th, 2nd, 3rd. (Vancover was 1st)
Certainly they faced above average defenses.
For comparison Boston faced: 8th, 10th, 15th, and 1st.
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8th
and 10th, are worse than 9th and 11th… and since Boston was 3rd… I think the only real distinction is the 2nd vs. 15th thing…. which is because TB sucks.
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by Steve Burtch on Aug 2, 2011 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
and IIRC
TB were actually fairly stingy in the games they won… they just let Boston put up a touch down in all their losses, which inflated the stats.
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by Steve Burtch on Aug 2, 2011 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Those are regular season stats, but TB still had a habit of letting opposing teams score touchdowns on them.
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right
but that’s the key distinction right? TB vs. Nashville? I agree that TB is worse, but with Roloson they were far better, and he was even better in the playoffs.
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by Steve Burtch on Aug 2, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
That, by the way, is the second lowest goals per game in the history of the SCF.
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wooooooooo
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by the goalie
with the best single season SV% in NHL history? Who also has the 3rd best single season SV% in NHL history?
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crazy
Boston’s last 3 seasons of goaltending (with 2 different goalies)…
#1, #3, and #7 on that list… .938, .931, and .933… craaaaaazy.
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Remember when Rask was threatening for the starting job? Funny how winning the SC and the Vezina changes that.
That was mainly because Timmy was coming off that injury though
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yes
and he’d won the Vezina the year previous.
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by Steve Burtch on Aug 2, 2011 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
THE BUFFALO SABRES SCORED MORE GOALS IN THE FINALS THAN THE CANUCKS
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I hate Christian Ehrhoff because he should have been Tomas Kaberle.
But the numbers… He was pretty good in the playoffs actually. Just a bit of trouble out in Columbus
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by happiergilmore on Aug 2, 2011 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions
If Schneider gets traded, it would likely be for a winger to play with Kesler. Someone like Hemsky, maybe.
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by Draglikepull on Aug 2, 2011 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Luongo
Schneider
Lack
Climie
There’s too much talent in that system, especially for a team that is in a “win now” mode. Schneider is the oldest, and has had the most exposure. Someone needs to move, Schneider being the best candidate.
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Schneider will be out of there as soon as he’s a UFA
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I hate Christian Ehrhoff because he should have been Tomas Kaberle.
but if
Vancouver is bright (and I don’t think Mike Gillis is stupid – despite what Vancouver fans may think of my opinion of him) they move him before then.
Same with Boston and Rask… although Thomas is far closer to retirement than Luongo.
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Behind Rask is Khudobin and hutchinson. It’d be a pretty dumb move to send Rask out and not get a goalie back.
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I thought Khudobin was UFA? And who has a problem with Khudobin?
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Khudobin was re-signed, 875k cap hit for 2 years. And I don’t have a problem with Khudobin, but if you move Rask, and Thomas retires in two, maybe 3 years, Khudobin damn well better be ready to be a starter.
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As an addition – Thomas didn’t exactly play 70+ games or anything last year, so if you move Rask, Khudobin needs to be able to handle about 30 starts off the bat. From a team perspective, probably better to keep both good young goalies around.
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yeah I was thinking about it a while
my reiming options are Ward, Crawford, and Fleury
and then if i miss out im just gonna load up on prospects like Rask, Bernier, Schneider etc.
I’m taking goalies with my next two picks (theyre about 4 apart because it reverses each round)
right now I’ve got Ryan and Getzlaf
Ward and Crawford then. Ward is going to play 60+ game a year for the next 5+ seasons, and Crawford the game for the next 10+.
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and hopefully Vokoun is still around (loads of wins for the next year) but I think everyone is weary about taking him early due to age
Use a late pick to try and get your hands on Lindback.
Lindback is the goalie waiting in the wings in Nashville, and Rinne is up for a new contract next year. After a Vezina nomination, he’s obviously due a raise, and with Weber’s award and Suter’s contract up the next year, I think there’s a good chance Rinne goes the way of Vokoun, Mason, Ellis, etc. (Traded, not “sucking” like the last two). Getting Lindback, even if he needs to wait a little longer with under a new Rinne contract, should cushion the blow of Vokoun being old. Also, Crawford/Lindback has the potential to be a terrifying tandem in two years.
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k thanks man. I knew who Lindback was but I probably wouldn’t have taken him. you make a good argument.
Something about that development program is just freaking sick. Vokoun with the highest post-lockout SVP, Rinne with a Vezina nod, hell even Mason was #2 in SVP one year. I suppose the best thing to add on, though, is “offer not valid once they leave Nashville.”
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Nashville overcounts shots pretty religiously, but that doesn’t even come close to explaining the amazing S%s their goalies put up.
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does their team D system?
because it’s pretty ridiculous also.
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by Steve Burtch on Aug 2, 2011 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
they don't just
rely on their goalies like Boston does… their D is stacked, their forwards all back check, they’re a pretty complete defensive team overall.
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by Steve Burtch on Aug 2, 2011 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
So you’re positing that Nasvhille has a team-wide defensive ability to affect shot quality?
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by Draglikepull on Aug 2, 2011 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
nope
just saying they reduce number of shots per game compared to some of the other teams with ridiculous high SV% (i.e. Boston who allow more shots than anyone).
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by Steve Burtch on Aug 2, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
15th
in the NHL in SA/g… Boston was 29th.
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by Steve Burtch on Aug 2, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Phoenix
was 28th…
now compare Rinne to Thomas and Bryzgalov.
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by Steve Burtch on Aug 2, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
it's a difference
of around 180 shots.
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by Steve Burtch on Aug 2, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh, I thought you were explaining the SV%, not GAA.
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by Draglikepull on Aug 2, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Umm
shot totals do relate to SV%… if you give up more shots, it’s quite likely the majority of the extra will be from worse locations based on shot distributions.
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by Steve Burtch on Aug 2, 2011 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
I think
the ability to control shot quality varies from year to year… but it is theoretically possible that Nashville is giving up more shots from worse shooting locations… controlling it over the long term isn’t necessarily plausible, and I don’t have data to say one way or the other.
Having looked at Boston’s numbers last year though, there’s really no logical justification for saying Thomas isn’t an amazing goalie. They gave up an absurdly high number of dangerous shots early in the year, and his numbers were spectacular. He is amazing.
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by Steve Burtch on Aug 2, 2011 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
I think the exploits of Dan Ellis might suggest something about the value of their systems.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Aug 2, 2011 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
one could say
the Sharks did the same thing with Nabokov, Kiprussoff, Toskala, etc. about 10 years ago… not sure I’d bank on it now.
Goalie coaches seem to have an impact on this… i.e. Allaire.
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by Steve Burtch on Aug 2, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
The Sharks had a great goalie coach who passed away a few years ago, he’s credited with the goalie “factory” they had there for awhile.
by Nigel Cadbury on Aug 2, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
yep
Walt something… forget his name.. .but yeah that was where i was going with the coaching thing in SJ. Anyone know who the coach in Nashville (or Millwaukee – I believe that’s where their AHL affiliate is) is?
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by Steve Burtch on Aug 2, 2011 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Mitch Korn is one of the two goalie coaches in Nashville.
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well whoever he is… I’m guessing he’s got something to do with it.
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by Steve Burtch on Aug 2, 2011 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah. I’ve seen some of the stuff he does, and it’s pretty crazy. White pucks, white pucks with a white mesh bag over the goalie’s mask, a board that hides the shooter…
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I'm sure
we could do those same things… it’s not that difficult to imitate really.
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by Steve Burtch on Aug 2, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
He has a reputation for using props and tools above and beyond what typical goalie coaches do. I’m sure we could do it, I’m not sure that we do or would.
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I’ve heard people claim that Mitch Korn is THE goalie coach not Allaire.
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If you told me the Leafs traded Allaire for Korn, I’d celebrate. (It probably wouldn’t be good for Reimer at this point, though)
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Walt or Wayne.. last name starts with an S… to lazy to look it up.
by Nigel Cadbury on Aug 2, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Stalock and Greiss aren’t bad, but obviously not the league’s next Nabokovs or Kiprusoffs.
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Surprisingly someone took Reimer already. Poor choice IMO but he was taken after Price (5th), Miller, Thomas, Quick, Rinne, Luongo
If those guys were all available, then who were the keepers? Skaters only?
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Someone passed up Lundqvist for Reimer?
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Price?
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I'm guessing he's
gone already.
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Yeah. Him, Thomas and Luongo at least. I’d try and snatch the Vokoun/Neuvirth tandem at one point.
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by happiergilmore on Aug 2, 2011 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Except
it’s a keeper league so do you really want the 40 year old Vokoun? Neuvirth doesn’t start enough to pick him up either necessarily for next year, but he’s a decent fall back.
i’d totally pick Crawford.
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Or Rask
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"There's just so many poorly chosen words in that sentence."
he's a
back up… why would you pick a back up?
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Yeah. I wouldn’t take them early. Only in the late rounds if the rest of your roster is nicely rounded out. Hiller could also be a late round steal if no one takes him and his health issues aren’t a problem
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by happiergilmore on Aug 2, 2011 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions
if his vertigo
isn’t an issue, someone will take him earlier than that.
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I wonder
if this info is available anywhere.
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Weird thing about Hiller
he’s asymptomatic away from the Rink… it’s quite possibly a psychological problem and not a straight up medical issue.
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Wait, what? Could you try and find the source on Hiller being asymptomatic away from the rink? I’d love to read it.
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it was a hockey news article
from March… I don’t have it in front of me, but they said in it that he would only get vertigo on the ice under the lights.
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by Steve Burtch on Aug 2, 2011 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Nobody is sure why Hiller feels perfectly normal away from the rink…
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That’s the thing, it isn’t as far as I know. So it’s a risk.
I had him in a playoff pool, but at the last minute he was slated to miss the first round. Screwed me over
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by happiergilmore on Aug 2, 2011 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions
I just read a bunch of discussion about it
some people are speculating it’s an anxiety disorder.
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I could see that. Maybe him and Gus should train together
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by happiergilmore on Aug 2, 2011 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions
that might not go well
I wonder if they work with Allaire in the off-season…?
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Right I forgot it’s a keeper. Hell, if you’re going to keep the players might as well take someone like Schnieder or Rask later if available. They’ll be good starters in no time.
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by happiergilmore on Aug 2, 2011 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions
not sure
Thomas just had one of the best SV% in NHL history… he isn’t about to retire.
And Luongo is what? not even 32 yet?
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Thomas isn’t young. He’s what 37 or 38? I’d pick up Rask. He’ll help you sooner or later. You need to hedge in Keepers.
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Rask is a known name. He’ll go with a high pick, and you will still need to wait two years for him to really show returns. If I’m going to wait two years, I’d rather take a prospect with high potential in a later round, and burn the high round pick on a skater.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Aug 2, 2011 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Burtch has a good point though. Except I don’t see why Vancouver holds on to Schnieder much longer. I think they move him at the deadline
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by happiergilmore on Aug 2, 2011 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Personally
I don’t do sophomore goalies. I have zero faith in them.
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yes
lord knows they never succeed… ever?
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by Steve Burtch on Aug 2, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
No but you have to draft them on the pedigree of one good year. I just don’t personally think they deserve that kind of value because too often they flop. If they are available later I would do it, but they never are.
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that might prevent you from grabbing the likes of Rask, Price, Quick etc. I’m not sure that’s the best plan.
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by Steve Burtch on Aug 2, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Or Steve Mason.
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number of
big name rookie goalies that are that good who burn out… in recent memory I don’t think it’s that long.
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by Steve Burtch on Aug 2, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
16 goalies
in the past 10 years have played over 60 games in their first 2 years in the NHL.
On that list are Lundqvist, Fleury, Price, Ward, Backstrom, Hiller, Nabokov, and Chechmanek.
That’s 8 goalies that have had multiple 30 win seasons. 8 out of 16… that’s a 50-50 chance… that isn’t really bad odds.
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by Steve Burtch on Aug 2, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
yes Mason is on that list
as is Gustavsson… but most guys that go through the process of starting that much that early in their career are half decent. Fleury was shit in his first 2 years, but look at him now.
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by Steve Burtch on Aug 2, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
if you make it rookie goalies
who played in over 35 games in the past 10 years, you get only 9 names.
Reimer and Gustavsson are on that list, so tossing them out for a moment, that’s 7 goalies, including:
Price, Backstrom, Bobrovsky, and Lundqvist. The others are Norrenna, Chechmanek, and Mason… Mason is still young enough he might bounce back, Norrenna and Chechmanek were 33 and 29 when they started respectively, I doubt either one was likely to improve much.
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by Steve Burtch on Aug 2, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Using the cut off of .910 as a “good” season: Al Montoya runs the risk, as does Bobrovsky and Reimer, Crawford, and Lindback, but confirmed victims include Steve Mason, Hannu Toivonen, Mike Smith, Pascal Leclaire, Dan Ellis, and sorta Yann Danis.
It’s not a good blanket policy to have, but I imagine that the rise in someone’s name recognition would mean you need to draft them higher – and that’s where the trap is dangerous. Like I said, everyone knows Crawford’s name. If he goes 10th overall, are you better off taking a player and picking a lesser known goalie with good potential at 30th? Depends on who’s available of course, but…probably.
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Smith
Toivonen, Ellis, and Danis were all backups.
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by Steve Burtch on Aug 2, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
LecLaire
wasn’t good until his 4th year in the NHL, and I wouldn’t call 24-17-6 with a .919 sv% spectacular.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 2, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
had leclaire down for his .911, 33 start, 11-15-3 season, which as I write it out, highlights that my cutoff was clearly too low. It probably does make more sense to use GP as a cutoff, rather than SVP.
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Lindback
played 22 games… and faced all of 576 shots… not exactly a huge sampling.
As for Bobrovsky, Crawford, and Reimer.
Bobrovsky: 60 GP, 28-15-8, .913 SV%, 1608 SA
Crawford: 64 GP, 36-22-6, .918 SV%, 1763 SA
AND
Reimer: 37 GP, 20-10-5, .921 SV%, 1134 SA.
he’s not in the same category as the other two, but he’s getting closer.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
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by Steve Burtch on Aug 2, 2011 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
oh and
I’m including the playoffs… because NHL games are NHL games.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
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by Steve Burtch on Aug 2, 2011 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Look at the shots though. He’s getting way more action & since i watch the games I know that he’s likely getting way more breakaway saves
sure you watch the games and all, but can you read? Can you in fact read better than anyone?
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by fair_n_hite_451 on Aug 2, 2011 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
This is what I was trying to say
It’s not a good blanket policy to have, but I imagine that the rise in someone’s name recognition would mean you need to draft them higher – and that’s where the trap is dangerous.
Its not really that I will flat out avoid them. Its just that someone else will give them a higher value and draft them earlier then I am willing to.
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Keepers are different, thats true
But of those three I probably would only have avoided Quick, because IIRC he didn’t have the pedigree in advance.
Looking at the last few years these are the goalies I am thinking of. They are too hit or miss for me to gamble on them (unless they were like a top-5 pick (ie Price):
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Not only did Quick not have the pedigree coming in, but he was coming into a situation where Bernier was already being touted as the “goalie of the future as early as next season” at the time.
I would have stayed away from Quick as well.
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by fair_n_hite_451 on Aug 2, 2011 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
The whole “don’t do sophomores” rule is way too strict IMO.
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I should clarify
I would take them if they were available later, but they always go early based on one year’s pedigree. For example Rask was a top 20 (overall pick) and Howard a top 35 in my pool last year. Thats insane. I just put a large asterisk on one year’s production when I rank them and it lowers my perceived value of them below what others have.
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ah
the NON-endowment effect.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 2, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Who’re you doing this keeper league through? I’m trying to find a keeper that doesn’t involve 160 days of “oh look, I need to move this healthy player into that empty slot.” like Yahoo’s does.
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The only feature they don’t seem to list is automated line changes. Any idea if they’ve got it?
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by happiergilmore on Aug 2, 2011 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions
how long do the
hearings last? anyone know?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
I assume his agent will show the video of him shooting a puck through the net and a collage of beard photos and be done with it. 6 minutes. Tops.
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Each side gets 1 hour to state their case plus and additional 20 minutes of rebuttal period should they need it. All said and done, about 3 hours, but the arbiter can take up to 48 hours to give their ruling.
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right
so even after arguments are heard we may not know the outcome till I’m in Paris… c’est la vie!
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Paris!
definitely go here: one of the nicest spots to sit outside and eat in the whole city: http://www.yelp.com/biz/l-ebouillante-paris
also, neither overpriced nor overly pretentious.
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First day on the job aaaaaaaand… no assignments as of yet. Guess I’ll be sticking around today folks
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What summer school
were you at btw? Obviously I wasn’t your teacher.
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No you weren’t haha. My parents put the money in and sent me to City Academy, which was nice because there was air conditioning. Where were you teaching?
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by happiergilmore on Aug 2, 2011 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Forest Hill
which also has AC.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
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Oh really. A bunch of my friends were at Forest Hill, what subject/year were you teaching?
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by happiergilmore on Aug 2, 2011 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions
math
as per usual.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
gr. 11
upgrade university this year… unfortunately.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
No way, you may or may not have taught some of my friends that failed 11 this year
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by happiergilmore on Aug 2, 2011 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions
quite possibly
you go to Northern? I taught a couple of kids from there.
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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
Yeah I do. That’s funny. I guess don’t put names here but if you want to email me who I’d love to know. Email is on my profile page.
Were they good kids?
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by happiergilmore on Aug 2, 2011 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions
everyone was a good kid
and no worries, I wouldn’t want to be e-mailing names around either. Easy solution is just to ask your friends who their math teacher was… they’d know my name if it was me.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
I actually
know the other two teachers who taught it also obviously… there were 5 sections, and I taught two of them.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
Will do. Glad they didn’t give you a hard time, I’d have more than words with them
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by happiergilmore on Aug 2, 2011 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions
haha
no I don’t get much trouble out of students typically. summer school is a breeze.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
Yeah. It’s kids that A) don’t want to fail again and B) want to get a very high mark.
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by happiergilmore on Aug 2, 2011 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions
well
I had a few kids fail again… unfortunately.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
but out of
over 1400 kids who signed up, only 37 failed… in the entire school… so that’s pretty impressive.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
That’s very impressive, none of my friends failed which is a good thing.
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by happiergilmore on Aug 2, 2011 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions
I drive by that school everyday
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Really? I live just east on eglinton, stop in some time.
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by happiergilmore on Aug 2, 2011 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions
it's one of the
best public schools in the city… I think the failure rate this past year was under 3% which is insane.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
Yeah the North Toronto-ish area (St. Clair to Lawrence to Bathurst to Bayview) is full of good schools. North Toronto, Northern, Lawrence Park, Forest Hill and if you stretch farther north, York Mills.
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by happiergilmore on Aug 2, 2011 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions
and they're also
quite possibly the least fun to teach at…
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
The teachers at Northern I’ve talked to love it there
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by happiergilmore on Aug 2, 2011 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions
hm
here’s the thing… the issues you deal with are a tad different. a lot of teachers are afraid to work at schools with shitty reputations because they think all the kids are criminals etc.
at good schools you deal with endless parent concerns etc…. and kids can be snots… no offense intended.
at bad schools you can make a bigger difference but it can be more frustrating. They both have their up sides and down sides.
I haven’t taught in schools like that on a regular basis, but I hear horror stories from friends that do.
The majority of kids and parents are fine, but the ones that aren’t? wow… rather not deal with it.
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- Sir Winston Churchill
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Yeah I hear what you’re saying. There was one kid who was, let’s call it, ‘hustlin’ at school and he got beat up. The kid was kicked out of Northern and his dad showed up a week later and threatened the kids that beat his son up. I’m not really friends with them but it was pretty scary
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by happiergilmore on Aug 2, 2011 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions
well
that’s sort of insane any way you slice it… interesting, but nuts.
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by Steve Burtch on Aug 2, 2011 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Whats the one at Mount Pleasant and Eglinton? I drive by that one too.
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Northern. Where I am
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by happiergilmore on Aug 2, 2011 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Where do you work? Downtown?
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by happiergilmore on Aug 2, 2011 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Yonge and Eg.
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No way. I live at Avenue and Eg, Where do you work?
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by happiergilmore on Aug 2, 2011 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions
At Yonge and Eg.
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by happiergilmore on Aug 2, 2011 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions
nevermind haha
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by happiergilmore on Aug 2, 2011 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions
I currently live
at Broadway and Yonge… but I’m moving right after I get back from my Vay-K
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
Where to?
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by happiergilmore on Aug 2, 2011 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Dufferin/St. Clair
area.
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by Steve Burtch on Aug 2, 2011 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Are you still teaching at the Alternative School?
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by happiergilmore on Aug 2, 2011 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
don’t know why those are capitalized
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by happiergilmore on Aug 2, 2011 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
yes
I am… one more year at least.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 2, 2011 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Didn’t Drake go to Forest HIll? OMGOMG
by 9 Dollar Beer on Aug 2, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah and Vaughan Road. He’s in my friends yearbook at Forest Hill
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by happiergilmore on Aug 2, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
I thought he went to Degrassi?
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Aug 2, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
that was Joey Jerimiah and his bad the Zit Remedy
by Nigel Cadbury on Aug 2, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
He also lived in Forest Hill Village. My sister lives in his old house; I slept in his old bedroom when I was crashing with her in Toronto.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Aug 2, 2011 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Self-pimpin’, I know, but here’s a late add to the links. We talked to Rick Dudley last week for the upcoming Maple Leafs Annual, and have a few excerpts of the interview posted over at MLHS for those who are so inclined.
http://mapleleafshotstove.com/2011/08/02/q-a-with-rick-dudley/
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looking forward
to the actual article… (and my own? – I actually have no idea how it’ll turn out when Alec edits it).
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
love this comment from RD
I think there’s going to be some opportunities moving forward. What some teams never count on is that some of their prospects are going to become National Hockey League players in a hurry. It’s inevitable and it will happen. There will be teams that signed players to meet cap requirements and get their rosters filled out, and some of the kids they drafted this year or the year before will make their team. And at that point in time they will not be able to trade that guy they just signed to a long-term, high-dollar deal. They will instead be forced to trade something that is an asset in order to create the necessary roster space for the kids. And if you have put your team in the right position, you can acquire one of those assets.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
There will be teams that signed players to meet cap requirements and get their rosters filled out, and some of the kids they drafted this year or the year before will make their team. And at that point in time they will not be able to trade that guy they just signed to a long-term, high-dollar deal.
Do Clark MacArthur and Nazem Kadri ring a bell?
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are you saying
we won’t want MacArthur because Kadri will improve?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
we won't want the guy
that led our team in scoring? because of a rookie?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
Also
MacArthur is making a very easily tradeable amount.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
sorry
my mistake… 2nd leading scorer.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
I think that would be the ideal situation actually yes…
If Kadri makes MacArthur expendable isn’t that a GOOD thing for our team?
why would we want
to move out a scoring winger that is only 26 who has a 62 point season recently under his belt?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
it's like we think these guys
grow on trees.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
They do. The tree of life
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by happiergilmore on Aug 2, 2011 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
35 guys in the past 3 years… in the entire NHL.
35 wingers under the age of 28 have put up 60+ points.
That’s it.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
if he does it again this year
he’d be one of 12 guys (unless of course more of them repeat this year).
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
Oh and
Kessel is one of the other 11.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
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Certainly there’s a little more scrutiny in a city like Toronto, more media coverage. Fortunately for me, I’m a little ways down the totem pole so I’m not as subject to it. That’s really Brian [Burke]‘s baby.
So Burke is the figurehead who handles the media monster…right on.
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by MapleLeafMole on Aug 2, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
I would say
that doesn’t make him much of a figure head… he runs interference for everyone else, and in Toronto dealing with the media is probably one of the most difficult jobs in management.
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by Steve Burtch on Aug 2, 2011 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
he runs interference for everyone elsehe runs interference for everyone else
That’s probably a better way of putting it
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by MapleLeafMole on Aug 2, 2011 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
AB’s an excellent editor. You’ve got nothing to worry about.
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I'm not worried
I actually think my article wasn’t my best work, so I hope it turns out well… I was kinda busy at the time of writing.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
I've been working on a project
To automatically parse all nhl games shot x y locations and types. So far I have all regular season games from 2008 onwards parsed. Now just have to write them to a database and write a frontend so anyone can query and report on whatever they like. Will keep you all posted when it’s done.
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That’s awesome.
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by happiergilmore on Aug 2, 2011 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions
O_o
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This is excellent
And has been something I’ve been wanting to try and do myself for a while, but haven’t had the time
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I think this sounds like an excellent project so I just wanted to clarify: will users be able to generate reports about shots for/against for specific players?
Sure! As soon as I set up the front-end to allow that kind of querying.
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by theninjagreg on Aug 2, 2011 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions
can you COMPILE
it… into one data set… please.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
yeah
if you can have it sortable by player that’d be ideal also… hmm what else?
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lol
Actually right now I have a 400+ MB .txt file in JSON format with all of the seasons combined. It’s pretty useless in that format though.
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by theninjagreg on Aug 2, 2011 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions
I love when people do work like this because we all reap the benefits.
Crazy would be NOT overanalyzing everything.
Lebda-free since July 3.
I actually
e-mailed Tom Awad about accessing his data for Delta two days ago… haven’t heard back from him.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
If we have access to the entire NHL
data set for x-y shot locations, we can do a LOT of number crunching…
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
Didn’t ESPN provide x,y in its gamecast at one point? Couldn’t find it last season but I’m sure they did prior to 2010. Or was it only available via request?
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by GarrettBauman on Aug 2, 2011 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions
One of the presenters at the MIT Sloan conference mentioned using it in his research. Based on his work it appears it was actual x,y as opposed to distance (which the gamecast only seemed to provide this past season). If that’s the case … a shame they got rid of it.
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by GarrettBauman on Aug 2, 2011 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions
we discussed this with
Gabe from (formerly) BtN… and he just gave us a link to the XML data from the NHL game feeds… I assume that’s where he gets his data from (and the other nerds at puck prospectus etc.).
either way, JP Nikota hand transcribed the data for the Leafs for some postings earlier this past month, but that’s agonizing.
Having a scraper for the data would be ideal.
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- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
He’s working on it.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Aug 2, 2011 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions
yep
that’s all I’m looking for… once i have access to this I will be able to do far more interesting analysis.
Did I mention to anyone that I have compiled all NHL D men’s development for the past 10 years or so from Hockey-Reference recently?
haven’t done anything with it… but I have it!
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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
my conclusion is
Luke Schenn’s numbers are comparable to Ryan Suter, Brent Seabrook, and … here I’ll look it up
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I can live with that
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by happiergilmore on Aug 2, 2011 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions
I too have found that Seabrook is a good comparison. The advantage for Schenn is that I think he was slightly younger breaking in the league (please me correct me if wrong).
by stevesmith19 on Aug 2, 2011 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Seabrook played 4 years in the W
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by happiergilmore on Aug 2, 2011 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions
slightly
but Seabrook had better offensive numbers earlier… his 21 year old season was very comparable to the year Schenn just had (26 vs. 24 points), but he was way better at 20.
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by Steve Burtch on Aug 2, 2011 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions
from a defensive standpoint
we could also look at Robyn Regehr, and Dmitri Kulikov is doing similarly (but he’s younger).
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by Steve Burtch on Aug 2, 2011 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Eric Brewer
Dan Hamhuis, and Jeff Schultz also have some similar numbers at comparable ages.
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by Steve Burtch on Aug 2, 2011 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions
basically
he’s going to be a very good D man… is all I’m saying.
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by Steve Burtch on Aug 2, 2011 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions
oh and
Jay Bouwmeester is surprisingly comparable around the same age… completely different style but similar results.
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by Steve Burtch on Aug 2, 2011 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions
With all due respect, please dont put Schenn in the same sentence as Schultz.
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+50!!!!
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 2, 2011 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions
playing with
Ovechkin, Semin, and Backstrom!
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by Steve Burtch on Aug 2, 2011 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Those bums?
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 2, 2011 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions
why?
their 21 year old seasons were very comparable.
+ / – is a meaningless stat… with all due respect don’t over-value it.
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by Steve Burtch on Aug 2, 2011 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions
+ / – is a meaningless stat
Did I mention +/- anywhere?
I just dont think Schultz is a very good defenceman.
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Plus, Schultz actually had the best +/- season of anyone, post-lockout.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Aug 2, 2011 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Playing mainly with Green. He also was out there a lot with Ovi, Backstrom, Semin like Steve said.
Also look at this
Look at 07/08. +5. Terrible player.
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Agreed. In fact, that was my point.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Aug 2, 2011 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Heh
it’s just the first thing I think of when I read his name.
PLUS 50
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 2, 2011 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions
he
had a good season comparable to Schenn at 21… why do you think he’s bad?
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by Steve Burtch on Aug 2, 2011 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m so very okay with those comparables.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 2, 2011 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions
they just
have the game cast visual posted… the NHL has XML feeds with the data embedded but you need a scraper, and I haven’t had time to set one up.
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by theninjagreg on Aug 2, 2011 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Chock full of WIN.
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by GarrettBauman on Aug 2, 2011 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Tiger-blood? WINNING!
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by happiergilmore on Aug 2, 2011 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Beauty. Rec'd.
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by GarrettBauman on Aug 2, 2011 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Shit for a second I thought that was a Vikings jersey, which would have prompted me to laugh without stopping for the rest of the day. Also, rec’d.
by Self Destructive Zones on Aug 2, 2011 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions
awesome! Any chance that can do a team split? I’d love to see if 3 years’ data would let us find out whether or not teams really can (and do) affect shot location.
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I think
a number of us would love to see the data on this.
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Yes all this and more will be available…when I finish it. Which probably won’t be for a month. But judging by the excitement here, I think I can get motivated to work a little faster.
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by theninjagreg on Aug 2, 2011 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Blake Comeau
Yay or Nay if he becomes available later this week?
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I hope YouTube comes down to film this.
we'd put him on our 3rd line...
Kadri can play another year in the AHL.
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Yeah. Kadri wasn’t particularly amazing in the NHL last time around, though he looked better. I wouldn’t mind him and Colborne working together more
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by happiergilmore on Aug 2, 2011 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions
I'd love for Kadri to stay in the NHL, but if there is a better player to take his spot? Awesome.
If not, let him play. Earn that spot kid.
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Yeah, I don’t see a problem with short term competition. Obviously we don’t want to create a logjam and keep those guys in the AHL forever, but it wouldn’t hurt for this year.
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by happiergilmore on Aug 2, 2011 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Yaaaaaaaaaaaaay
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by happiergilmore on Aug 2, 2011 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Huge yay. I’d see how he does/who he works well with during camp, but maybe he’d work well with Kessel on the first line. Maybe he’d be good with Bozak/Army on the 3rd.
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by happiergilmore on Aug 2, 2011 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions
24 yrs old
24 goals, 45 points… he’d be on the 3rd line.
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- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
don't see him
displacing Lupul, Kessel, MacArthur, or Kulemin.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
Only one I thought he might have a chance at was Lupul. I like Comeau a lot, he’s a good sized body.
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by happiergilmore on Aug 2, 2011 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions
I was shocked at how decent his numbers were.
Versteeg comparable. I didnt think so and was about to chirp and Isles fan but then once I saw the numbers… wow.
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he's
0.57 and 0.58 ppg the past two years, and around 0.30 gpg. Versteeg has gone from 0.68 in chicago 3 years ago, to 0.56 in Chicago 2 years ago, back up to 0.66 in Toronto, then down to 0.41 in Philly (to end the year at 0.58).
They’ve been comparable, but Versteeg’s put up higher totals a couple of times, but he lacks the size Comeau has.
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- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
I wonder what kind of arbitration award it would take for the Isles to walk away from Comeau. They’ve got a 22 man roster as is, and they’re 4.8M off the floor with Bailey and Joensuu still to sign.
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They’re also carrying three goalies at the moment. I have to think they’ll be leaving spots for rookies with big bonus money to help hit the cap floor. No better way to reach it for them.
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I mean, it’s not a question of “will the Isles reach the floor” – I think they will. It’s a question of how far over the floor does Wang want to spend, and what’s “too much” for him and Bailey? I’m thinking there’s no way Comeau becomes available.
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The most recent installment of Better Know a Bias: (or: You Gotta Blame The Thing Up Here)
The Endowment Effect: Why We Overvalue What We Own.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Aug 2, 2011 9:59 AM EDT reply actions
In the article, there’s a quote about the ticket study:
They called a student who had failed to get a ticket and asked him how much he was willing to pay to buy one. He was willing to pay $175 for a ticket.
The article then says that the endowmen effect “might explain why some GMs overpay to acquire a player”. Doesn’t this contradict the findings of the study (“owners placed a much higher value on their tickets than non-owners”)?
I know that the article said that GMs may feel ownership of the player before actually acquiring said player but, if true, the same should apply to the fans and their tickets, shouldn’t it?
Sorry if this was a confusing question.
by stevesmith19 on Aug 2, 2011 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah
in the actual study
overvaluing what you have is the point… the people that HAD tickets wouldn’t sell them for way more than $175.
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by Steve Burtch on Aug 2, 2011 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions
IIRC
the people who actually got tickets wanted thousands for them.
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by Steve Burtch on Aug 2, 2011 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions
I see what you’re saying. I think in the case of the students they were asked after they failed to win the ticket in the lottery. Their sense of ownership wasn’t present after losing.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Aug 2, 2011 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
read a bit further:
Those who did not own a ticket were willing to pony up an average of $170. Those who did own one demanded an average of $2,400.
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by Steve Burtch on Aug 2, 2011 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions
I wrote it. I think he is asking why AFTER the lottery the student’s weren’t influence by the Endowment Effect into overpaying to buy a scalped ticket.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Aug 2, 2011 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions
I know
you wrote it… it was directed to ss… not you… apologies.
And yeah… it’s not endowment if you don’t own it… isn’t that the whole point?
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by Steve Burtch on Aug 2, 2011 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Well further down I made the point that ownership can be imagined. So I think he was asking why those who lost the lottery did not have an imagined sense of ownership. I think the answer to that question is that they already lost the lottery. And they were willing to shell out significant money for a ticket. $175 isn’t chump change.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Aug 2, 2011 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Thanks for the explanation. Clears it up.
by stevesmith19 on Aug 2, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
all of this
is why it`s so important for us to determine comparables around the NHL… rather than sticking to our own viewpoints.
We don`t just over-value what we own though…. we sometimes UNDER-value what we own. for instance MacArthur?
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by Steve Burtch on Aug 2, 2011 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions
one of
35 wingers in the NHL to produce over 60 points in the past 3 years, and people are suggesting we replace him with a 2nd year winger that had less than 20 points last year?… UNDER-Valuation.
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by Steve Burtch on Aug 2, 2011 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Definitely.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Aug 2, 2011 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Here are the other wingers that have done it only once
in the past 3 years (who are/were under 28 years of age):
Backes, Booth, Boyes, Burrows, Cammalleri, Clowe, Gaborik, Gagne, Giroux, Hartnell, Havlat, Heatley, Hemsky, J. Jokinen, Lucic, Parise, Penner, Ponikarovsky, D. Sedin, Setoguchi, Skinner, C. Stewart, Wolski.
Some of them did it more than once, but they were over 28 when they did it again. That’s the group that MacArthur is on the edge of… if I reduce it to 26 or younger, it gets smaller.
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by Steve Burtch on Aug 2, 2011 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
to refine it
under 26, less than 25 goals, over 60 points, you get the following players:
6 players… that’s it.
Giroux, MacArthur, Pominville, Kane, Wolski, and Hemsky.
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by Steve Burtch on Aug 2, 2011 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions
he had the lowest
point total of that group… but to say we should be tossing that level of player aside? That’s insanity.
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by Steve Burtch on Aug 2, 2011 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions
this also
makes me question why Wolski keeps bouncing around… but that’s a question for another thread.
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by Steve Burtch on Aug 2, 2011 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions
He had a few very good years early, bad concussion, he was (is?) being considered a buyout candidate now. Eep.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 2, 2011 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m always shocked to see that Wolski has been very productive at his young age, but man ever since that concussion he hasn’t been the same.
On another note, I read yesterday that Pominville might be ready for Camp… BUF has some cap issues to deal with.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 2, 2011 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions
he went
from playing over 18 minutes a night two years ago (when he had 65 points) to 14:35 this past year. That might have something to do with it.
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by Steve Burtch on Aug 2, 2011 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions
when was he
concussed?
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by Steve Burtch on Aug 2, 2011 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions
and yeah
50 points when he was 20 years old… 65 when he was 23… he shouldn’t be moving that often. But he was traded for Peter Mueller AND Kevin Porter (Hobey Baker award winner).
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by Steve Burtch on Aug 2, 2011 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Shit maybe he wasn't concussed
Just looked through his injury history and it isn’t listed… must have been confusing him with Mueller. His production just fell off hard.
As for ice time… that can be a function of either not being used properly (coach), or not earning it (player).
Based on what I’ve read from fans who watch him closer… it would seem to be the latter rather than the former.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 2, 2011 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
see
but people use the term “earning it” by looking at production… “he isn’t scoring” they’d say… but his pts/60 rate isn’t that different:
last year? 7.4 Corsi REL, Pts/60 = 2.04
2 years ago? 12.3 Corsi REL, Pts/60 = 2.78
3 years ago? -3.7 Corsi REL, Pts/60 = 1.52
he’s dropped off… but not so far that he’s useless.
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by Steve Burtch on Aug 2, 2011 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Leafs that are comparable?
Pts/60 = Mikhail Grabovksi 2.06, Colby Armstrong 2.08
Would we complain about a guy at 2.04 not producing? probably not.
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by Steve Burtch on Aug 2, 2011 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
The only Rangers
that produced more offense given their ice time were Gaborik and Prospal… Wolski was their next most productive player.
Saying he doesn’t “earn” his ice time is ridiculous, particularly on a team as defensively capable as the Rangers. They don’t need guys like Wolski to back check that much, they have lundqvist and a ridiculously good defensive set of D men.
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by Steve Burtch on Aug 2, 2011 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
I think the buyout thing is mostly relating to his $3.8M that they could buyout at 1/3rd the hit over 2 years due to his age.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 2, 2011 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
perhaps
I just think it’d be dumb to ditch a player that offensively gifted that is that young. You need wingers to play with Richards, and all those other C’s… I just think he’d be wasted as a buyout.
Trade him at least.
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by Steve Burtch on Aug 2, 2011 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
I imagine they’ve tried to trade him if buyout was being considered (it hasn’t necessarily, just speculated about)
Another issue is that coming up in June, his QO will be $3.8M as well, can’t drop below that unless they John Mitchell him (which he may as well just walk from)
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 2, 2011 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions
I still think it's a waste
you get a guy that’s not even 25 yet that has a 60+ point season and has shown obvious offensive skills in the NHL? He isn’t THAT much of a liability, he’s had a positive corsi number the past two years.
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by Steve Burtch on Aug 2, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
but people use the term "earning it" by looking at production
I just try to get away from the perception that low ice time is all the coach’s fault. It’s not. Sometimes you just aren’t doing enough with your ice time, or some one else on the team is doing much better.
Not saying it’s the case this time as it’s a bit more qualitative than just looking at ice time alone.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 2, 2011 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
I think we could look at coaching
and suggest … Tortorella? He’s a bit wacko frankly.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
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by Steve Burtch on Aug 2, 2011 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
He was only getting 14:41 in PHX last year too.
Which is one reason I think it might not just be the coach.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 2, 2011 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
except
Phoenix had him playing over 17 minutes a night regularly until December… then his minutes dropped off a cliff.
I think something happened. He went down to 11 minutes a night for 4 games, and then back up to 14-15 for 6 games or so… then it was under 10 minutes a night for 3 games, and he was gone to the Rangers.
He played 6:34 in his last game… Coaches Dog House it looks like to me.
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by Steve Burtch on Aug 2, 2011 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
In
October and November he was over 15:40 a night… which isn’t 18, but it’s a lot more than he was getting in December (13:16).
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- Sir Winston Churchill
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by Steve Burtch on Aug 2, 2011 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
in November
he had 9 points in 13 games… that’s productive.
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by Steve Burtch on Aug 2, 2011 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
I think something happened
That’s the crux of it really… hasn’t played the same in a while, not sure what exactly changed. Attitude? Unhappy off the ice? who knows.
Could be an interesting season for him.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 2, 2011 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
I do think
coaching has a bit to do with it… Tippet and Torterella aren’t exactly guys that let offensive players do whatever they want on the ice.
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- Sir Winston Churchill
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by Steve Burtch on Aug 2, 2011 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
look
at the systems the Coyotes and Rangers were playing the past 2 years…
D-Fenzive.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
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by Steve Burtch on Aug 2, 2011 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Make it under 70 to get a better comparable group.
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it's already
a small group.
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- Sir Winston Churchill
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by Steve Burtch on Aug 2, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
but here goes
Pominville, Ponikarovsky, Kane, Wolski, Clowe, Hemsky, Frolov, PM Bouchard and MacArthur.
He’s good.
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by Steve Burtch on Aug 2, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
This was actually going to be another question of mine. Is there an opposite effect? To stick with alliteration, the coveting conundrum?
by stevesmith19 on Aug 2, 2011 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Looks like someone asked this below. Sorry.
by stevesmith19 on Aug 2, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Danny once met Doug Gilmour and it changed his life. Had he met Bret Hart the same day he would not have been able to handle it. He can be found on Twitter
Didn’t it used to say “his head would’ve exploded” or something funnier?
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It did not.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Aug 2, 2011 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions
For some reason I thought it did. I like it but for some reason the last two articles I read it at the bottom and thought it was amended.
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I don’t think that it did. I may have said something about it in a comment somewhere. I tend to talk about Bret Hart a lot.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Aug 2, 2011 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions
best there is, there best there was, the best there ever will be.
by Nigel Cadbury on Aug 2, 2011 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Good article, I’m really liking this bias series. The thing is that these are all things I’m aware of, this one and confirmation bias especially, but have never really read up on or thought about in as clear of a way as these studies you cite and these articles. Awesome!
What this article got me thinking about is if this “endowment effect” is the same as where people undervalue players on teams they dislike or don’t respect. The obvious example is how people say “Kessel sucks and is one dimensional and Burke got ripped off” or “I’ve never heard of Kulemin, he sucks”. Last year I took a lot of heat from people for picking Kulemin in the last round of our fantasy draft, yet look how he turned out. I guess another example would be how I personally have always thought Alfie is a crappy diving useless loser; even though he was probably a decent hockey player at one point, I wouldn’t want him on the Leafs if we got him for free (or even straight up for Mike Komisarek).
Is this all related to the same bias, or is it a combination of several, or a totally different one on its own?
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Don’t think it would be endowment effect. Mostly a combination of confirmation bias and Cognitive Dissonance, which I will be writing about in the future.
But Alfie totally sucks.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Aug 2, 2011 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions
cognitive dissonance
is hilarious… frankly… got a video for that one… hold on. looking for it.
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by Steve Burtch on Aug 2, 2011 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh the studies on that one are awesome.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Aug 2, 2011 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Here's one
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 2, 2011 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Cognitive dissonance: the Conservative approach to government (more jails despite less crime).
I apologize for the politics but I couldn’t resist.
by stevesmith19 on Aug 2, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
I think politics regardless of which side you’re on tends to result in a lot of cognitive dissonance. Look at all the people who support Obama who get angry when he’s criticised for doing the things those same people hated Bush for doing.
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by Draglikepull on Aug 2, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
It’s definitely a two-way street.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Aug 2, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
For sure. That Statistics Canada press release was just on the mind.
by stevesmith19 on Aug 2, 2011 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
like
trying to repeal the tax breaks for the rich? wait… huh?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 2, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
oh you mean
the bailout spending… that Bush did because if he didn’t all his friends would be mad at him… because the financial mess he caused really hit the fan in 2008, after he knew he was leaving office… THAT thing that Obama did?
Or do you mean continuing it, when the other option (to pull the plug) would cause a further financial melt down?
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by Steve Burtch on Aug 2, 2011 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Not going to start a big political debate in the hockey thread, but Obama has done a lot of stuff that his followers were angry at Bush for doing.
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by Draglikepull on Aug 2, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Not the place for this stuff guys
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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I know.
anyway… it’s not my presidency.
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by Steve Burtch on Aug 2, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
I was
listening to AM 640 this morning and they were debating a new law in Chicago where the cops are to round up any kids 13 or younger who are out on a week night after 10:30 (I think that was the time). Talking about putting this in place in Toronto is insane for a few reasons I think are relevant.
1) Chicago has twice the number of crimes as Toronto, despite having a population of only 200,000 more people.
2) Chicago has five times the number of violent crimes as Toronto.
3) Chicago has over twice as many police officers on their payroll, and spends over $850 million on their salaries
4) Debating that Toronto needs a law like this when people who are conservative bitch about how much we pay the police is idiotic.
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by Steve Burtch on Aug 2, 2011 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
5) Youth Curfews are shown to have no effect on youth crime when applied broadly. (Makes no sense but it’s true.)
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Really? Thats pretty surprising. What about when applied to specific regions?
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Really. There aren’t a lot of studies on it but there were a few (like in Atlanta recently) where it had basically no effect on youth crime. However, if enforcement is concentrated in a really small area like a zip code or 3 it seems to work.
The real problem is almost all youth crime happens right after school (4-6 pm on school days)
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What? You mean young people who are willing to commit crimes break curfew?
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This is what I was thinking. If anything I would say it’s most effective if you are trying to protect the “innocent” (i.e. not out to commit crimes) youths from being exposed to crime/drugs or becoming victims of crime. Probably more of a grassroots thing than direct barrier to youth crime.
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Yeah I didn’t think it was, it’s almost like the opposite. One of my friends at school is a habs fan and pretty much labels anything positive I say about the Leafs as “blue tinted glasses” and crap, he basically thinks Kessel, Grabbo, Mac, and Kulemin only put up points because they are a crappy team. Direct quote: “Grabbo wouln’t put up 40 on a good team”.
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Sometime people are just stupid.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Aug 2, 2011 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
He is normally pretty informed/rational about hockey, and even was about the Leafs until the playoffs when I started hating on his two favourite teams (habs and nucks) so much, then he went all Leaf hate.
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his two favourite teams (habs and nucks)
this explains so much.
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we'll never know
until either
a) the Leafs are a good team
or
b) Grabbo gets traded to a good team
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by Steve Burtch on Aug 2, 2011 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions
His argument is just stupid thought. Sure, you can argue a player puts up more points on a bad team due to more ice time, but it goes both ways as its harder to produce poitns when playing with “crappier” linemates on a team that doesn’t score as much as the opposition.
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It’s totally stupid. They might be pushed up the depth chart due to a lack of depth but that doesn’t necessarily mean they’re going to score points.
by Self Destructive Zones on Aug 2, 2011 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah exactly. I would argue the whole “inflated because of good team” or “inflated because of bad team” argument bases are generally made solely based on POV. The most legitimate of those would be “he played with x players on his line who are amazing”, but even then its usually just a biased view (i.e. “Kessel was only good due to Savard”)
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It should be noted that the Endowment Effect is proportional to the amount of effort you put into acquiring it. (yay cognitive dissonance)
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How does the Endowment Effect work for Wang?
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by Draglikepull on Aug 2, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Nabokov plans to join the Isles
http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=373039
Assuming it isn’t BS and he actually does suit up for the Kansis City New York Islanders, of the 3 goalies they have now who will get the most starts? Montoya, DiPietro (lol), Nabokov?
Or they could just trade one at the deadline again for a 2nd round pick and continue the cycle of perpetual rebuilding…
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If they were smart, they would have traded Nabokov already to a team like Detroit, Colorado, St. Louis, or Edmonton. Instead they waited too long and those teams filled up their goaltending holes. Now NYI is screwed.
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Oh NOW the Isles are screwed.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 2, 2011 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
With regards to being stuck with Nabokov, a competent goaltender, in a year that they should just tank like there’s no tomorrow.
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in a year that they should just tank like there’s no tomorrow
That’s been the strategy every year since the lockout, no?
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 2, 2011 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
“Welcome to the AHL, Ty Conklin!”
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Edmonton didn’t fill their goaltending hole. It’s still big enough to drive a Ferrari through at 120kph with a BAC of 0.162.
by MattM on Aug 2, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
WINTER'S COMING
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are we crossing the streams?
I think we might be.
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by Steve Burtch on Aug 2, 2011 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
/tips cap
Sorry for the error.
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Lots of speculation as to what this means for Tavares' future on the Island.
(Cross-commented from MLHS)
Based on relatively recent history, one of the following is bound to happen with John Tavares.
(a) Wang annoints a new face of the franchise, then strong-arms his GM into trading Tavares. The forced nature of the trade results in having to accept the least lousy of a pile of lousy offers (see Luongo, Roberto).
ADVANTAGE: Nobody f***s with the Wang.
DISADVANTAGE: Except for Charles Wang himself.
(b) Disgusted by the direction of the franchise and hopeful for a new start, Tavares refuses to negotiate, forcing the Islanders to desperately try to unload him for a big ol’ pile of nothing (see Erhoff, Christian).
ADVANTAGE: Nobody f***s with the Tavares.
DISADVANTAGE: Except for Florida, where he’s bound to end up the answer to a trivia question entitled “World’s Greatest Repeat Heists”.
© Tavares signs, then a year later changes his mind about the future of the franchise and attempts to force a trade by refusing to report. Wang sets an unfathomable price tag for the express purpose of waving a metaphorical middle finger at the player, who is eventually bought out (see Yashin, Alexei).
ADVANTAGE: Buyout helps team reach the cap floor.
DISADVANTAGE: Buyout deters the handful of in-demand players who might have considered signing there from ever wanting to play for that franchise.
(d) Tavares signs, then a year later changes his mind about the future of the franchise and attempts to force a trade through lousy, disinterested play. Is eventually traded for an enforcer and a backup goaltender with an oddly metaphorical-sounding name (see Muller, Kirk).
ADVANTAGE: Reputation-wise, this strategy comes across better than a holdout.
DISADVANTAGE: Considering the Islanders’ roster, there’s a good chance they might not even notice.
(e) Tavares is gung-ho at the prospect of being the face of the franchise and openly enthusiastic about taking on the challenge of restoring the Islanders’ once-proud name. Wang immediately signs him to a 15 year contract (see DiPietro, Rick).
ADVANTAGE: Face of the franchise is in the fold for his career.
DISADVANTAGE: Vegas odds predicting a Tavares injury fall to a pithy 1.0001:1.
(f) Tavares re-affirms his commitment to the franchise on a short-term (3-5 year) basis, sending a signal that he is willing to be a part of the rebuilding effort so long as progress is evident (see Okposo, Kyle).
ADVANTAGE: Non-stop Tavares-to-Leafs rumours will guarantee years of sustained business for the pay-for-insider-info hockey rumour website industry.
DISADVANTAGE: See above.
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I don't think the Isles
will suck in perpetuity… they’ve been getting slowly better for years.
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by Steve Burtch on Aug 2, 2011 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
If their D
can stay healthy, and they have some decent goalie play this year from Nabokov and Montoya, they are likely a playoff contender.
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by Steve Burtch on Aug 2, 2011 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m not a big fan of their defense even if completely healthy, which is rare for the Islanders. An injured islanders defense would be pylon central.
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I hate Christian Ehrhoff because he should have been Tomas Kaberle.
you dislike a grouping that has
Streit, Hamonic, Eaton, and Jurcina? Hamonic is pretty awesome, and if Streit is healthy so is he.
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by Steve Burtch on Aug 2, 2011 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Eaton and Jurcina
are serviceable defensive D men.
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- Sir Winston Churchill
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by Steve Burtch on Aug 2, 2011 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
I’d like them a lot better if they had 2 Mark Striets.
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Hamonic
is pretty close to that considering his age. His 20 year old season last year was amazingly comparable to Schenn’s defensively, but he put up offensive numbers comparable to Tyler Myers… 26 points in 62 games versus 37 in 80 (0.42 ppg for Hamonic vs. 0.46 for Myers).
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by Steve Burtch on Aug 2, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
I figured as a Sabres fan
you’d like that comparison.
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by Steve Burtch on Aug 2, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
other comparables
at 20 for him include Kulikov and Seabrook.
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- Sir Winston Churchill
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by Steve Burtch on Aug 2, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
or Pitkanen
and Hedman… he’s very good… is all I’m saying.
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by Steve Burtch on Aug 2, 2011 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t like Kulikov for strictly personal reasons (He broke Derek Roy)
And Hamonic’s pretty good, its Eaton-Jurcina and then the horrificness of the third pairing that i don’t like. If they just bumped everyone down a slot they’d have a pretty strong defense. (Though Andy McDonald is somewhat interesting… not sold yet)
I’m not convinced Striet’s going to be able to play 25 minutes a night anymore so the lower pairings are going to need to show improvement.
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I think they could
I also have no idea who they have in their system that might be able to step in, but given how shitty they’ve been in recent years, I’m sure they have some decent prospects.
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by Steve Burtch on Aug 2, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Only one really
In terms of prospects they have some meh prospects (including dylan reese) and the guy they got instead of luke schenn, Calvin de Haan who’s fairly hype-worthy but i haven’t seen him play so i have no idea.
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yeah
they should be alright overall.
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by Steve Burtch on Aug 2, 2011 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
They’ve been slowly getting better… but you gotta think they’ll only become “elite” or “contendors” if they start investing in the team beyond barely scraping to hit the cap floor.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 2, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm quite sure he'll be there awhile.
Just having fun a little fun with the not-so-possible-scenario game. Because somebody’s got to ask the question.
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a little fun
Now MY brain hurts.
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by GarrettBauman on Aug 2, 2011 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
f
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 2, 2011 11:04 AM EDT reply actions 4 recs
woops.
not f.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 2, 2011 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Still, where did the lighter fluid come from?
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Aug 2, 2011 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
these things never go off when you need them to.
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by thenumber14 on Aug 2, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Kind of relevant
Because last week happiergilmore posted a map with NHL teams and their AHL affiliates’ logos on them. Icethetics posted something similar as well. I believe he’s done this the past few seasons.
There’s also a cool article there that updates all probably jersey changes coming up for this season, including re-reporting the news that the Leafs are likely to use the jersey they wore when they last won the cup as their new 3rd.
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I like the maps because they’re interactive so you can zoom and stuff, and broken up to show the divisions/conferences.
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nonononononononono those jerseys are awful. My least favourite jersey they’ve worn for sure. Even worse then the sparkly ones.
that’s right, I went there.
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Not worse than the sparkly ones, especially not the ones with the big cartoony numbers. I have already said my favourite would be a blue version of our current thirds, but I will be buying any third we get so long as it’s blue (I don’t buy white jerseys) regardless.
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yeah, a reverse of our thirds would be awesome. I’d love that, they’d be close to the dynasty jerseys worn in the early 60’s.
mind you, all of icethetics info is coming right from Berger, who’s currently reporting from his basement. so i’m still holding out hope we won’t end up with the simple jack maple leaf designs.
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Yeah true, but Berger was bang-on about our current Home/Away set and probably got this info before he was out of a job. In this type of thing he seems pretty reliable.
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I still prefer to picture him as being some crazy wingnut, writing nonsense from his basement underneath a blanket sniffing spraypaint and wildly typing out eye melting blog posts.
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by T is for Truculence on Aug 2, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
The Senators Heritage Jersey is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better than the crap ones they wear now.
by Tickle Me Aulie on Aug 2, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
One less thing to make fun of their franchise about, crap.
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They’re still hilariously ugly, what with the big zero on the front. I cannot fathom why they continue to think that’s a good look for them.
The entire brand of the franchise is pretty dumb with the whole “name the team in the national capital after a branch of government that is obsolete and even detested by many”.
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And then make the mascot/logo a Roman centurion, not a senator. It’s ludicrous.
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by CanadianMaple09 on Aug 2, 2011 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Ahhhh yes, the Spartan reading his cheesy speech off the back of his shield. You’re correct. It absolutely defies logic.
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by CanadianMaple09 on Aug 2, 2011 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Or they’ll say its Caesar, but show him fiddling in the middle of flames.
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by fair_n_hite_451 on Aug 2, 2011 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
That was Nero.
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by T is for Truculence on Aug 2, 2011 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He abolished the Senate, so it wouldn’t.
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Dashing the dreams of Senators . . . he was like a pre-modern Toronto Maple Leaf.
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by Draglikepull on Aug 2, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Don’t say that… we all know what eventually happened!
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And besides, if he was truly like a Maple Leaf, he would be a polar bear, because as we all know, maple leaves thrive in the tundra.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Aug 2, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
he used the structure of the senate to confirm himself dictator for life, but he didn’t abolish the senate. Even after Augustus became Emperor, the senate was maintained. I may have had less power, but the senate was a huge part of imperial rome.
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by Fergus30 on Aug 2, 2011 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 2, 2011 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Wooooo Jared’s here and breaking out the Nerd Hammer!
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 2, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree “abolished” was the wrong word, but he ended Senatorial rule.
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no he didn’t, a dictator is still a member of the senate. Traditionally a dictator was an elected member of the senate (you had to be a senator to be elected to it) who was chosen to rule the senate single handedly instead of the traditional two person ruler model (with the two consuls)
While Caesar was dictator for life, he continued with elections (though they were probably rigged) and continued having senatorial meetings. Maybe he ended the power of the senate (but not really, as the senate still had power to appoint governors and many other duties, such as the mint of coin etc) but the senate was never abolished and their rule was never ended, it just became corrupted.
An emperor was still a member of the senate – in fact, Augustus never really called himself emperor, he just called himself Consul for life and gave himself the power of the Tribute of the Plebs.
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 2, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Semantics again. Once Caesar declared himself Dictator for life he ended the “rule” of the Senate, in that Rome was no longer ruled by the Senate.
This whole discussion was just fun Sens-bashing, now you’re picking fly shit out of pepper. The Senators having Julius Caesar as their logo would be like a team called the “Candles” having a light bulb as their logo: light bulbs didn’t end the use of candles but relegated them to a secondary role and took over as the main source of light in western society.
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And? My point was that he was a senator and continued to be until the end of his life. Therefore, having him as the logo would be more apt then a spartan or whatever the fuck they have now, as the spartans didn’t have senators.
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Therefore, having him as the logo would be more apt then a spartan or whatever the fuck they have now, as the spartans didn’t have senators.
I agree, but it would still be dumb. My point was that their logos are generally things that go against the senate (Praetorian on their jersey, Gladiator guy before game), so I said Julius Caesar as a continuance of that idiocy.
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/shrug
It would work on ONE level more then either of those logos but yes.
A better roman to be their logo would be Cato, as he fought for the rule of the senate and died for it during his life, but no one wants a picture of an old half naked dude as their logo
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how about this guy?
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 2, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
She’s got a degree is history and the classics focusing on ancient Roman. I don’t think you’re going to win this one.
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by happiergilmore on Aug 2, 2011 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
More impressive
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by happiergilmore on Aug 2, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
And what do you do now?
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by happiergilmore on Aug 2, 2011 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
History Degrees FTW!!!
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Aug 2, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I remember my first degree
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by happiergilmore on Aug 2, 2011 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Multiple Degrees FTW!!
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Aug 2, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I wonder if this site has the highest advanced degree per registered member ration of any hockey site on the ’Net.
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Wait, is an undergrad an advanced degree?
’cause I have 2 of those but none of those fancy shmancy ones that you can put letters after your name with.
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Advanced degree usually means grad school, law degree, teacher’s college, etc. Something after undergrad.
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You can put like B.A. or BSocSc after your name from your undergrad if you really want, but generally people only do that in an Academic setting/situation or if they are dorks.
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Now even though I went to college and dropped out of school quick
I always had a Ph.D.: a Pretty Huge Dick
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by Tickle Me Aulie on Aug 3, 2011 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions
I have a BJ!
Seriously.
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by T is for Truculence on Aug 2, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I have a B.A. in understanding how Media/the internet works.
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 2, 2011 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, well Nick Lachey has 98 degrees.
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by happiergilmore on Aug 2, 2011 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
nerd
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 2, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Pfftt probably a Master’s in nerd
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by happiergilmore on Aug 2, 2011 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Less impressive
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by happiergilmore on Aug 2, 2011 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
They said “Music’s for fools, you should go back to school. The future is prisms and math.”
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I’m not trying to win, I agree with everything she’s said, she’s just arguing semantics. She obviously has more offhand knowledge about the subject than I do, as the last time I took a broad Roman history course was two years ago and the prof sucked.
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If semantics is off limits then I don’t even know this place anymore
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I suppose that depends on how you define “off limits” and “this place”.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Aug 2, 2011 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Not off limits, just not something a degree in Classics is super relevant too (she owns me in terms of Classical history knowledge) I would argue my education is more relevant to an argument on semantics.
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And lying.
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by happiergilmore on Aug 2, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
You’ll go far ;)
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by happiergilmore on Aug 2, 2011 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
wait, who wants to argue semantics? that is my specialty!
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 2, 2011 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn’t say it’s your “specialty” per se . . .
/jokefromlastweek’d
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i have many specialties
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 2, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d say that baiting trolls is your specialty.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Aug 2, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
from what i’ve heard, he’s very into baiting lots of things
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by happiergilmore on Aug 2, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I am a master!
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 2, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Jared the baiting master
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by happiergilmore on Aug 2, 2011 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
in which I use semantics to the point of parody
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 2, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
If anyone cares
Sens new 3rd “leaked” at Icethetics, along with details of their big “celebration” season for their 20th anniversary.
Since this is a Leafs blog the only real use for this information is to make fun of it. Here’s a great section on their plans for that:
20th Anniversary 4 Key games to highlight significant moments in the modern era. Programming to include pin or handout, alumni/VIP appearances, luncheon, special merchandise.
* 1992-93 Team — Boschman, Marsh, Turgeon, Brady, Shaw, Archibald, Lamb, Loewen, Smail, Sidorkiewicz, Rumble, Peluso, Murphy, McBain
* First playoffs — Duchesne, Tugnutt
* Wayne Gretzky’s last game in Canada
* 2007 Stanley Cup Finals
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You wait until now to offer justification for bringing up the Senators? Shouldn’t you have offered that disclaimer about 500 of your Sens-related comments ago?
For all of his obsessive Sens hatred, the gentleman doth protest too much, methinks.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Aug 2, 2011 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m bringing it up because it’s news related to my original link. I also didn’t bring up the Sens the first time. And yes, the only thing hockey related I am more obsessed with than loving the Leafs is hating the Sens, I don’t deny it or pretend it’s rational, it’s just there, I’m not going to fight it.
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I personally have always thought Alfie is a crappy diving useless loser; even though he was probably a decent hockey player at one point, I wouldn’t want him on the Leafs if we got him for free (or even straight up for Mike Komisarek).
by Shield on Aug 2, 2011 10:15 AM EDT
Seems like the first mention of the day. Also, seems dumb.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Aug 2, 2011 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions
What is wrong with that statement? If you look at the context I was talking about how my hatred for Alfie is probably due to an irrational bias because I hate the Sens; it was an example. Are you saying it’s dumb for you to hate Darcy Tucker?
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Well, I have no hatred for Tucker.
Just saying that you did, in fact, bring up the Sens the first time.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Aug 2, 2011 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions
You wait until now to offer justification for bringing up the Senators?
I assumed the justification for that first mention was implied as it was pretty obvious for the conversation. I guess I could’ve used Roenick instead.
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I can’t find it now, but I swear I almost got myself banned from Mile High Hockey for defending Tucker too strongly, of all things.
And then there was the time I almost got my ass physically kicked (that was like the equivalent of banning, in the olden days) when arguing that he was better than his brother-in-law. Though to be fair, that took place in a forum in which I had no reasonable expectation of support (Corson’s own bar). Also, it was probably a dumb argument to be making anywhere.
That said, Chris Neil totally kicked his ass ;-)
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Aug 2, 2011 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Fortunately, he was several blocks away, playing a game at the time, but I have no doubt that if cell phones had been prevalent in those days, a quick call from the bartender would have resulted in Shayne reaching through the crappy low-res television to slap me around during the 2nd intermission interview with Elliotte Friedman’s grandfather.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Aug 2, 2011 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Also weird that you are only focused on my Sens bashing here; if this was a similar link about the Leafs I’d be too busy reading about it and getting excited to care about the context in which it was brought up.
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If it was a similar link, you wouldn’t make it about the Sens? Like the link to Danny’s article that had you mention your hatred for Alfie?
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Aug 2, 2011 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions
A similar article as in a link to a leak about Leafs alternate jerseys. And as I said above, that was an example that was totally warranted in the conversation and had nothing to do with bashing the Sens.
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Any comment is totally warranted. I was just making an observation that you probably rank above average (and might even lead the team) in Sens-related comments.
It’s people like you who keep me coming back to PPP: the most Senators-centric site on SBN. Silver Seven ain’t got nothing on you ;-)
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Aug 2, 2011 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions
You have me beat at least, according to the advanced stats on the site’s search engine.
And PPP league-wide, you trail only FLYERROB for his Flyers-related comments.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Aug 2, 2011 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions
For non-Leafs NHL Team mentions? So what you’re saying is I hate the Sens more than anyone on PPP? I’m speechless.
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might even lead the team
You’ll have to wait until after the Chaka Khan performance and the Alka Seltzer to see if you actually won.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Aug 2, 2011 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I was asking about, “And PPP league-wide, you trail only FLYERROB for his Flyers-related comments.” Wasn’t sure what you were referring to exactly.
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Maybe you weren’t certain, but you nailed it anyway.
Nobody can compete with the volume of Flyers mentions that guy contributes.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Aug 2, 2011 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions
He’s in a league of his own in that regard.
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Gotta respect his unwavering devotion. He makes me feel like a meek, fairweather Sens fan (redundant?) for not trumpeting all things Bryan Murray.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Aug 2, 2011 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions
FLYERROB has the utmost faith in Holmgren. If he was a Leafs fan he’d probably think the Komisarek signing was a steal for Burke.
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Startin to slow down a bit from the looks of things.
by Self Destructive Zones on Aug 2, 2011 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
we’re all waiting for NSH to walk away from Shea Weber’s arbitration reward, duh
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 2, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I was thinking either that, or one of them Puck Daddy like the ones from the last couple of weeks. Did they ever do one for goalies?
by Self Destructive Zones on Aug 2, 2011 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
*Puck Daddy Lists, I should say
by Self Destructive Zones on Aug 2, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah. It was bad, too. Khabibulin was on it.
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Yup
Khabibulin and Steve Mason were on it and Reimer was not.
Whatevs, that whole series was a piece of junk. Shame on some other SBN blogs (looking at you FearTheFin) for citing the list as a reasonable predictive list.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 2, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Jesus, those things were pretty well universally trashed here. And for good reason I’d say.
by Self Destructive Zones on Aug 2, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
lol at Khabibulin projecting well to next year. That’s a good one.
by Self Destructive Zones on Aug 2, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm reading speculation that NSH and Weber are almost $4M apart
how is that even possible? No wonder it’s going to arb.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 2, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Emphasis on speculation from rumour-mongers (not the bad ones, but still)
It might not be the case at all.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 2, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah that’s true. It certainly is hard to imagine they’d be that far apart at any point.
by Self Destructive Zones on Aug 2, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Unless Weber is asking for $10 million a year I can’t believe that.
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by Draglikepull on Aug 2, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe he’s doing that in hopes of pushing Nashville to walk away. But A: I doubt the arbitrator gives him that and B: I’m not sure there’s any real sense he wants out, other than in our fevered imaginations.
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by T is for Truculence on Aug 2, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Chara’s cap hit is $6.9 million. The “real” years on Pronger’s deal average $6.68 million per year. Weber likely deserves as much as those guys, but he’s RFA.
For the next 6 years, Duncan Keith makes between $7.5 million and $8 million a year. His contract tails off quite a bit, though, so his cap hit is just $5.5 million.
Since Nashville isn’t in a financial position to do a long tail deal, I think a fair contract for Weber is likely in the $6.5 million per year range. I can’t imagine Nashville would walk away from anything close to that.
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by Draglikepull on Aug 2, 2011 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Re-iterating emphasis on "rumour"
Preds offer to Weber was around a $4.7M cap hit on a long term deal, Weber’s agent asking for $8.5M.
Likely a lowball / outrageous asking price type negotiation going into arbitration.
Wouldn’t be shocked if it ends up being a 1 year $6M like Parise at this rate.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 2, 2011 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Weber might want a two-year contract because that takes him straight to UFA after. Capgeek on Twitter today was saying he’d be an RFA next year again, and I don’t think he’d want to have to go through all this crap again in 12 months.
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by T is for Truculence on Aug 2, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Ack didn't realize he was 2 years away from UFA
Might get 2 years, $6M/year then :P
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I can’t fathom that the Preds are only offerring $4.7 million, unless they’re doing it as a negotiating ploy to get an arbitration number that’s a bit lower. Poile isn’t stupid, he knows Weber is worth more than that.
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BTW
Apparent source of the rumour, take it for what’s it’s worth
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$4M total or $4M a year.. I can’t see them being $4M a year off.
by Nigel Cadbury on Aug 2, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
The more I think about it
Its probably just the way arbitration works. Nsh goes in saying they want to pay him 4-5 million and Weber goes in saying he wants 8-9 million, both of them knowing it will end up in the middle (6-7 million)
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by Self Destructive Zones on Aug 2, 2011 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions
renhockey Hunter, Trent N.J White, Colin N.J cleared waivers. N’ont pas été réclamé.
Buyout incoming for Hunter and White.
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Hunter seems worth 2 million, at least as of 18 months ago. Did he have serious injuries causing his shitty play the last 2 years?
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Well he only played 17 games last year so I’d assume so, but not sure.
by Self Destructive Zones on Aug 2, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Darcy Tucker vs the Senators bench
Today’s newest fight post
Darcy Tucker vs Chris Neil and the Ottawa Senators bench
http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2011/8/2/2308198/darcy-tucker-vs-ottawa-senators-bench
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Aug 2, 2011 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
pro tip
when clicking links, hold control or cilck with the middle mouse button. I tend to put in links with the quotes and semi-colon, so there is no “open in new window” check mark.
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Your mother.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Aug 2, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I doesn’t try to open a new window for me.
I don’t think I did click on the box so it would open in a new window.
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John K. Samson on the new Jets logo:
So, I won’t be buying any of the new Jets merchandise, but I just ordered a nice blue Dustin Byfuglien Atlanta Thrashers t-shirt from nhl.com, which will at least allow me to express my enthusiasm for our team and its assistant captain, while honouring the franchise’s history. The Thrashers logo is, I admit, pretty ugly, but the shirt was half price. Almost as much as hockey, Winnipeggers love a bargain.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Aug 2, 2011 1:29 PM EDT reply actions
I wanted to make a joke about my people
About how jews are cheap, but I wouldn’t buy a Thrashers nor a Byfuglien anything
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Also
Have you been reading/watching Game of Thrones?
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For shizzle.
I read the first 4 books a few years ago. Watched the show all the way through as it came out. I have Dance with Dragons sitting on my desk at home but haven’t gotten to reading it. I really want to re-read books 2 through 4 (wouldn’t be able to get into 1 after watching show so recently), so time is an issue. You into it?
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I’m about a third of the way through Dance. It’s fantastic.
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I’m excited! I bought the first 4 as e-books for 17$ on Kobo. Halfway through clash of kings.
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You will not be disappointed! FFC was kind of a let down for me, but with the ability to read DwD right after you probably won’t experience that.
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FFC has been the hardest for me to remember, for sure, but even the first little bit of Dance has been phenomenal.
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FFC is the one that made it to #1 bestseller. I worked at Indigo when it came out and remember it being a big deal.
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Yeah, though they were all on the list. I’m assuming they are all selling awesome now with the double whammy of the show and the new book coming out so close to each other.
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FFC actually made it to the #1 best seller. The others made it to the best seller list.
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Yeah you’re right. The only reason I know this is because the first three books say “New York Times Bestseller” and FFC says “#1 New York Times Bestseller” on the covers. I wasn’t going to buy DwD in hardcover because I wanted it to “match” my paperback set, but then I saw how awesome the hardcover is and also it went 30% off for being on the NY Times list.
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I accidentally spoiled something for a friend of mine the other day. I felt like such a dick.
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Man, I would be pissed.
You’re a dick.
/obligatory
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It wasn’t really a small thing, either. I forgot when a character got introduced. It led to a terrible explanation. Anyone can DM if they want to know what it is, and they’ve read past the first half of Storm of Swords.
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I accidentally spoiled a few things for my g/f as she was reading GoT while the show was on (staying ahead of it though). Thought she was further ahead than she was and spilled the beans on a death. She wasn’t too pissed though, she’s the kind of person who wants to know what I buy her for Christmas in November.
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Can't answer that
I use the Kobo app on iPhone. Sorry dude.
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Just pulled up wikipedia to find out what the heck a “kobo” is. List price of $149 CAD??
I just got a Barnes and Noble Nook Color refurbished for $190, then rooted it, and put an android rom on it, then added the Nook app to my new, under-$200 fully functional android tablet. Highly recommended.
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I’ve been told by my friends that DwD is amazing. Really been considering just reading it and letting the last few books come back to me as I go. I basically read FFC right after it came out so however long ago that is (its been a while), and I re-read GoT last summer because I heard the show was coming out this winter. It’s just so tempting to read since this is the one book series that a lot of my friends read (they got me into it), so I really just want to get caught up so we can discuss it.
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I jumped into Dance having not read any of the books for a couple years, and between a song of fire and ice wiki and talking with a friend of mine who’s also read the books, I certainly don’t feel lost.
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Yeah I was thinking of reading the wiki and the plots, using it to look things up if I was lost a bit. Might just read FFC.
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this wiki is really good. They’ve also got character pages sectioned off by books, so if you stop reading at “DANCE WITH DRAGONS,” you’ll stay spoiler free (I did accidentally spoil something for myself the other day…).
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by Bower Power on Aug 2, 2011 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sweet, thanks. I actually think I remember using this site before (but it wasn’t as cleaned up and professional looking as it is now), but couldn’t remember the name. I may just refresh myself quickly on the first 3 books and start reading at FFC; I really want to read it right before DwD since they overlap in timespan.
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Westeros.org is great!
Love GoT talk we should get a CC for this!
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Did you read the article?
He was also in a band that released the song “Dear Coaches Corner” with lyrics that include:
Dear Ron McLane. Dear Coach’s Corner.
I’m writing in order for someone to explain
to my niece the distinction between
these mandatory pre-game group rites of submission
and the rallies at Nuremberg.
Specifically the function the ritual serves
in conjunction with what everybody knows is,
in the end, a kid’s game.
I’m just appealing to your sense of fair play
when I say she’s puzzled by this incessant pressure
for her to not defy collective will and yellow ribboned lapels,
as the soldiers inexplicably repel down from the arena rafters.
Which, if it not so insane,
they’ll be grounds for screaming laughter.
So, yeah.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Aug 2, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
When you’ve activated Godwin’s law 5 lines in to the verse, stop and ask yourself: Am I an idiot?
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I bet that band sounds awesome
by Self Destructive Zones on Aug 2, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Burtch and Jared are big Propaghandi fans.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Aug 2, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Aug 2, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
He was in Propaghandi until 1997. This song came out in 2009.
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by AM18 on Aug 2, 2011 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
My statement is technically correct.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Aug 3, 2011 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Do Winnipeggers also like being mocked by other Winnipeggers?
by Self Destructive Zones on Aug 2, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
The Jets new roundel is a recruiting device for a specific branch of the Canadian military.
/facepalm
To me, at a glance, the new logo will imply that whoever wears it supports both the actions of the Canadian military and the politicians who deploy them.
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I don’t think it’s an entirely unreasonable suggestion. If an American team named themselves the Jets and used the USAF logo people would be upset.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Aug 2, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Well what the hell are they supposed to do??? Call themselves the Jets and put a picture of a bubbling hottub on the jersey?
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by happiergilmore on Aug 2, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Their last logo featured a less militaristic looking jet.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Aug 2, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess but it’s still pretty stupid. The Maple Leafs are named after the Maple Leafs regiment from the first world war, where are all the peacekeepers on that one?
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by happiergilmore on Aug 2, 2011 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I think that connection is less overt. I’m not saying it bothers me all that much. But I can understand where he is coming from.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Aug 2, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
A majority of non-Leafs fans do not know about the connection to the Maple Leafs regiment
In fact, if I have to read another “omg why do they call it the leafs instead of leaves stupid toronto doesn’t even know grammar lol” I’m going to snap.
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Exactly. You can also make the argument that using “ves” for pluralizing words ending in “fs” wasn’t really predominant until the 50s, which is way after the Leafs became the Leafs. I’m pretty sure in the first few editions of The Hobbit the editors changed all instances of “elves” and “dwarves” to “elfs” and “dwarfs” until LOTR got big a Tolkien made them fix it.
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I agree with him that the military background is being pushed quite hard by management, when it’s probably not all that strong to individuals in the community or to either the current or historic team, but he jumps a long gap when he suggests that the difference between a child drawing a 747 and a CF-18 in hono[u]r of their hockey team is the difference between militaristic indoctrination and seeing the symbol as what it is: the logo of their favo[u]rite hockey team.
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Agreed.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Aug 2, 2011 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
This. Also, there are dozens of sports teams with military themes. Brampton Battalion being one off the top of my head. I also don’t understand how people automatically link respect and support for our armed forces with “supporting war and politicians”.
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He mentions that in the article. He just feels that this specific logo alienates him as a fan.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Aug 2, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, I understand that, but I think he’s alienating himself by interpreting the logo in such a “tin foil hat” kind of way. Why not interpret the logo in a way that works for himself instead of in such a negative way. I see the logo as paying homage to the RCAF and the link between them and Winnipeg, not as some political statement supporting the government and war.
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Definitely. But I don’t think it’s an insane opinion given the existing connection between hockey and the military in Canada.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Aug 2, 2011 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Not when there is a large base there, which is a large part of the economy… Further its called the Jets.
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Right, but he finds the connection between the military and his favourite team alienating, so that doesn’t really change it.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Aug 2, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll just repaste what Shield wrote because it is what I am trying to say
He’s drawing a conclusion that he wants to draw because it gives him an angle to vent about politics.
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Oh I agree he wants to vent about politics. But on the other hand, people who see no issue with using hockey as a forum to honour the military wouldn’t be bothered by it. Just as some people were not offended by the remarks made by Watters not everyone cares about this issue. (Not saying they’re exactly the same)
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Aug 2, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I see where he is coming from I just think he is drawing a very fine point and then bitching and moaning.
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Exactly. His connection comes from one big slippery slope that links the logo to some evil, war mongering political recruitment propaganda. People do this kind of stuff every day and I don’t mind it (unless it’s shoved in my face), but that doesn’t make what he says anything less than idiotic.
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Probably just mad he can’t buy any of his favourite team’s stuff.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Aug 2, 2011 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Its a jet used in Canada. A team wants to pay homage to that. If he has a problem with that its HIS problem. He needs to grow up.
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You’re both pretty fired up about this.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Aug 2, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Eh, some people really don’t like the military.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Aug 2, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
But if you don't like the military that means you're not a real Canadian and therefore can't hold a valid opinion on hockey.
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But if you don't like the military
that means you're not a real Canadian
and thus have no valid opinion on hockey
But its not the Canadian Forces Air Force logo. The comment is pretty damn stupid.
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It is an homage to a past and easily identifiable logo.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Aug 2, 2011 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
We also shouldn’t let children get into curling. They drop rocks from long distance on a target that looks like the RCAF roundel, and plot defense and offense to defeat the opposition team. Help save the children from the passive imperialist indoctrination of curling!
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Totally the same thing.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Aug 2, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I always wondered why I wanted to go to war with North Korea when I played curling.
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Exactly. He’s drawing a conclusion that he wants to draw because it gives him an angle to vent about politics.
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by Shield on Aug 2, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I like that in response to a post about curling you used the terms “draw” and “angle”.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Aug 2, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
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by happiergilmore on Aug 2, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah but what about my spinnaker?
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by happiergilmore on Aug 2, 2011 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Umm
Sports teams, of course, often have military implications to their names and logos, and sport as war is an understandable if overly simple simile, but I can’t think of another team anywhere that has attempted to attach itself as blatantly and directly to an existing, contemporary arm of the military. "Bombers," and "Raiders," for example, are vaguely militaristic names with somewhat militaristic logos. The Jets new roundel is a recruiting device for a specific branch of the Canadian military. There is an obvious and massive difference there.
So calling a team bombers, a term that can ONLY REFER TO DESTRUCTION of either people, objects, or both is LESS militaristic? Should have LESS problems? Hah!
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Except for the Toronto Maple Leafs who are named after a Canadian military regiment.
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No no no
If a logo looks like a regiment that is RECRUITMENT=EVIL. But if we name ourselves after a destructive act thats a-okay!
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How dare that hockey team want to pay an homage to their countries military by incorporating some of them emblem into their own. What assholes.
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I find it remarkable that FLYERROB is right below us and hasn’t said anything yet.
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OUCH ! Busting on the party goer's
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The worst that could happen....
is that young elite talent could be traded away to another team that doesn’t get all uppity about such trivial matters has grown men enjoying themselves with a beer.
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traded away to another playoff team, which hasn’t just obliterated its short term cup chances in order to sign a ridiculous contract.
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The worst thing that could happen is Richards is on a stacked LA team, Carter is playing with Nash and Johansen in 2 years time and the Flyers are absolutely cap-fucked by Bryzgalov and lose most of their point production.
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by happiergilmore on Aug 2, 2011 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
one of you goes to a decent team? the other one gets to go to columbus?
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We shall see……
Lets see if Philadelphia is better in the next 3 years from this ..
Lets see if Philadelphia is better than Columbus or LA from this…
Lets see if Richards or Carter still puts up the same numbers….
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Lets see if Philadelphia is better in the next 3 years from this ..
Pronger will be 39 and signed for 3 more years. Pray he doesn’t just retire. (He will.)
Bryzgalov will be 34 and signed for a further 6 years.
Briere will be 36.
The only beacon of light is JVR, but he’ll probably hit the bottle like when Carter and Richards after Philly doesn’t make the playoffs for 2 straight years and then get traded.
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Giroux is pretty good.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Aug 2, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Giroux, Schenn…
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Voracek, Couturier…
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by happiergilmore on Aug 2, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, What 4-6 idiots let the Flyers have Couturier?
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Everyone except the Devils and I guess Oilers fucked up in my eyes. There’s a reason why he was rated first from most of the year
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by happiergilmore on Aug 2, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn’t put too much stalk in Schenn.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Aug 2, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Can Schenn, Giroux, JVR, and Couturier carry a team that has an old and busted Pronger and an old and still signed Bryzgalov?
Could they do it better than Richards and Carter?
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There are many goalies that are good in there mid 30s (even some in there late 30s). It shouldn’t be taken for granted that he’ll suck. I don’t think Schenn/Couturier/Voracek/Simmonds will do better than Carter/Richards, but they certainly aren’t bad.
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I actually believe that Bryzgalov will still be “fine” at least, but his contract will continue to be “awful.”
They went from “we’re competing now” to “maybe we can string together a narrow window where our forwards are good enough and our goal is still good. Oh, but we’ll have to address defense first.” As everyone said when the deal went down, “there has to be more coming,” and yet…we’re over a month out, and there isn’t.
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Plus the thing that people may be overlooking are the contracts of Richards and Carter, which were super constant and cheap, especially as the salary cap increases every year.
If Schenn/Couturier/Voracek/Simmonds ever equal the production of Richards/Carter then they’re definitely gonna get raises and they’ll likely command more than those two did.
Plus even they don’t, you’re gonna need JVR/Giroux to replace them, and the other four to replace JVR/Giroux, which again means big contracts
I thought they may land Burns. But that obviously didn’t happen. I then thought Bogosian. Still no.
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Fun fact: Bogosian has still yet to be signed. I would like Burke to offer MacArthur and Gunnarsson for his rights. That boy’s good.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Aug 2, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Philly is worse off then they were. But they are not in a terrible situation.
They have good young top 6 players in Giroux, JVR, Voracek. They have good prospects in Schenn and Couturier. Add in Simmonds as a top 9 they do have a good (but worse then it was) core to build around on forwards.
D doesn’t look as good but its not terrible.
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Well JVR didn’t really breakout until the playoffs, and he was probably seeing pretty sheltered minutes. Can they shoulder the load that Carter and Richards did? Will they be able to shut-down Crosby, Ovechkin, et all as well as Richards did? How many games will Pronger play?
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Aug 2, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
You act like we don’t have players in the development. You act like in 3 years we will explode and be too old. .. Briere may be gone, Pronger may be gone, Bryzgalov may be gone, but the FLYERS are good at developing and replacing veterans with youth. I am confident that all 3 will be replaced and that our team will be good again. Just like Toronto has its own players in development.
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by Self Destructive Zones on Aug 2, 2011 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
- Richards goes to a stacked LA team
- Carter gets to play with Rick Nash, along with Ryan Johansen in the future
- Philadelphia is stuck with a terrible contract in Bryzgalov, and have limited financial flexibility in the long run
- Brayden Schenn busts with the Flyers and gets traded to the Leafs for Mike Komisarek, only to have his brother OLAS save him from the clutches of past busts
- Cthulhu eats up all of the men, women, and children of Philadelphia
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Philadelphia is stuck with a terrible contract in Bryzgalov
We like to laugh about Bryz’s contract but if he throws up a .920 for the next few years it may be the Flyers laughing all the way to a Cup.
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True, but it sure doesn’t give them cap flexibility in the long run.
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Cap flexibility is nice but Cups are better.
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If things don’t go as planned, then it will look really bad.
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If things go really well then they’ll look like geniuses.
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you can say that about any GM’s moves at any time, if Yashin had turned into a super star and chara was just hall gill than milbury would look smart too
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 2, 2011 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Yashin was pretty close to a super star at the time – he had put up five ppg or close to ppg seasons before being acquired by the Isles. But he was 28, and wasn’t likely to get drastically better. He’d also held out for contract renegotiations twice, and had a reputation of being a headcase/effort problems.
But even if Chara had flopped, Milbury would’ve looked like an idiot. The Isles also gave up a the second round pick in that deal. That would be Ottawa’s franchise player Jason Spezza.
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Don’t you mean first round pick?
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I meant second overall pick.
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should have gone deeper on the Yashin thing (proved he wasn’t a cancer, continued to be an 88+ point player for at least 4 years)
which would have been a good trade for a 2nd over all pick
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 2, 2011 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey man you gotta try.
I’d rather be the Hawks who put it all on the line 2 years ago than the Kings who have been cautiously spending but have 0 cups in their franchise history.
Yes the Kings look good going forward but they haven’t won shit.
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next couple of years is key to that
can bryz sustain elite level goaltending before the flyers mummified defense turns to dust and their youth core is finally ready to compete
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 2, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Not sure what their plan for rebuilding their D is... but im sure they'll just trade Giroux for Suter or something
Vokoun and Thomas are doing ’aight late into their 30s.
I wouldn’t be on 39, but for 3-5 years of damn decent goaltending? We should wish we had such a problem.
The Richards and Carter thing is shitty in the short term though. Still disagree that PHI did that.
Just sayin’ it’s so easy to chirp now but once a player starts performing the chirping usually stops.
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a huge thing for bryz will to be see how he does in pressure situations, so far his playoff numbers hold up to that well, but we shall see how that translates to every day in front of a crowd that wants to eat his face for letting in a bad goal
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 2, 2011 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s only more hilarious that Vokoun signed a few weeks later for like 1/100th of the price.
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If he throws a .920 up, and if Giroux and Briere and JVR outperform expectations, and if Schenn and Couturier develop quickly and if…
or: Bobrovsky, Richards, and Carter play exactly how they played this year.
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by Bower Power on Aug 2, 2011 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
So I was on cap geek
And the Bruins cap situation is pretty damn good for a team that just won the stanley cup AND has 1.4 million penalty in buy outs and bonus overages. They have 7.7 million in cap space and only need to sign 2 more forwards and a 7th defenseman. The only unsigned player they have is RFA Marchand. Bastards…
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$7.7 million including Savard who seems likely to retire due to concussion problems. I think they should try to get McCabe on a 1-2 year deal.
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That’s because their forwards are 2nd rate aside from Bergeron and Krejci, and their defense is non-existent past Chara. Basically because they have the best goalie in the world, they can get by. Without Thomas this team ends up around 12th in the East. Chiarelli only looks like a genius because Thomas bailed them out.
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They had deep scoring
But they lost 3 of them (Ryder, Recchi and 1/2 of Wheeler and 1/2 of Savard). I’d be trying to replace that depth. I don’t think Pouliot and Corvo on D does that.
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Seems like they’re going to give Seguin a bigger role this season as part of his development. Also, they replaced 1/2 of Wheeler with 1/2 of Peverley. You can’t dscount how good a full Peverley will be this year.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Aug 2, 2011 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions
29th in shots against last year…
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I agree their defence is weak, which is why I suggested they might want to add a guy like McCabe. Their offence is quite good, though.
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Yeah, I don’t doubt that. But I think the point was if you took out Thomas they would have let in enough goals to fall a ways down the standings, which I think is true
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Let’s not talk about that.
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by MapleLeafMole on Aug 2, 2011 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Horton is a very good player and Lucic scored 30 last year. Defence I will give you. Are they as good as they are last year if Thomas doesnt play like that? No way. However, they are not a 12th place team
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With Rask behind Thomas they are a playoff team no matter what. THey still have a good top 6 with the following 5: Bergeron, Krecji, Lucic, Horton, Marchand. They also have good top 9 players in Kelly and Peverly. Plus they have Seguin to toss somewhere into that top 9. I really think they should be looking for one more top 6 winger.
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Lucic scored 30 shooting over 17%. If Phil Kessel shot 17%, he’d have 55 goals.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Aug 2, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
17% isn’t too crazy for a guy who stands in front of the net. (they usually shoot like 14%)
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The real crazy stuff was guys like Thornton scoring 10, Peverly 18, and Marchard 21 from the 3rd and 4th lines. That’s 49 goals from 3 players getting less than 16 minutes a night. Something about just screams unsustainable.
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Well most of Peverly’s production wasn’t on Boston was it? I think out of Lucic, Bergeron, Krecji, Marchand and Horton they could probably get about 120. They really need another guy in that top 6.
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2 years ago Lucic shot 17% and score 25 goals, perhaps he improveD?
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I also expect Seguin will have a better year, he can chip in for some offense.
Don’t think Lucic will hit 30 again, but maybe 20-25? Kulemin’s #s and his were remarkabley similar (save that Lucic had 5 EN goals)
While they get a huge boost from Thomas, I dont think they live and die by their goalie as much as some other teams (PHX, NSH, BUF)
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The more I see Buffalo the more I like them actually
Their defense is trash and no doubt miller saves them,
but they have Vanek and Roy as true top 3s, Stafford and Pomminville as true top 6s (and Connolly before)
then they have Ennis and Gerbe who are young top 6s (or maybe 9s in Gerbe’s case)
and now that they’ve added some pieces like Erhoff they’ll be better
plus they have Myers who is not too bad, though won’t likely repeat for the Vezina
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My favourite part is the 2nd round pick they threw in.
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I’d do that trade even if Robyn Regher weren’t included. (though it would be less awesome)
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how are you guys likeing your new shiny aged turnstyle?
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 2, 2011 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
We traded Craig Rivet so we were obligated by NHL rules to pick up a new pylon to meet the required “Gritty defender who can’t skate” quota.
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at least we don’t have matt stajan anymore, having to play regher 6 times a year would guarentee a decapitation of the former by Regher
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 2, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I personally think Buff will be top 3 in the East
They have a very good forward Corps
Vanek is good for 30+ goals
Roy is good for over 70 points (plus 25+ goals)
Pominville is good for 60-75 points and 25+ goals (but will miss a chunk of the year)
Boyes is good for 20/50
Stafford I think will get 25+
Leino is overpaid but still probably good for over 45 points
Ennis and Gerbe both look good for over 40 points
Gaustad and Hecht belong in a top 9 (one may be gone for salary reasons)
Thats a really good top 9
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There D is also solid
Erhoff is a number 3 D man easily. Myers looks really good. Leopold is underrated (IMHO). Regehr is a good shutdown d man. Weber and Sekera are good and young. And that Gragnani kid is pushing at the door and he looks good.
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I haven’t looked over their recently. Is there D really all that solid?
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by CanadianMaple09 on Aug 2, 2011 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Thats the word for it. Its solid. Not spectacular, not bad, but solid/good. I think they have build a contender. They overpaid for a couple mid-level pieces (erhoff (who’s cap hit is fine) and Leino) but they still have a good team.
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To be perfectly honest my comment had nothing whatsoever to do with a curiosity about Buffalo’s defence. Methinks the two comments above may have missed the gist of my original comment.
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by CanadianMaple09 on Aug 2, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
but will miss a chunk of the year
Are we so sure about this?
Winger Jason Pominville is healing well after surgery to repair a sliced tendon suffered when he was cut by a skate blade in the team’s playoff series with Philadelphia. Pominville will be ready by training camp, Regier said. – July 20, 2011
If he isn’t going to miss a chunk of the season, how do they fix that cap problem?
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Still over by 1.07. Buyout cap hit is 1M, moving Hecht is only 3.5 in relief, even if you don’t take anything back.
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No they're not
I made the cap 63.3 instead of 64.3 for the buyout of Kotalik
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FORWARDS
Thomas Vanek ($7.142m) / Derek Roy ($4.000m) / Jason Pominville ($5.300m)
Drew Stafford ($4.000m) / Brad Boyes ($4.000m) / Ville Leino ($4.500m)
Nathan Gerbe ($1.433m) / Tyler Ennis ($0.875m) / Paul Gaustad ($2.300m)
Cody McCormick ($1.200m) / Matt Ellis ($0.525m) / Zack Kassian ($0.870m)
/ / UFA/Prospect ($0.800m)
/ / Patrick Kaleta ($0.907m)
DEFENSEMEN
Robyn Regehr ($4.020m) / Christian Ehrhoff ($4.000m)
Jordan Leopold ($3.000m) / Andrej Sekera ($2.750m)
Shaone Morrisonn ($2.075m) / Tyler Myers ($1.300m)
Mike Weber ($0.950m)
GOALTENDERS
Ryan Miller ($6.250m) / Jhonas Enroth ($0.675m)
BUYOUTS: Tim Kennedy ($0.166m)
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(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $63,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $63,040,357; BONUSES: $425,000
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $259,643
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Can’t buyout Kotalik. Sabres don’t get a 2nd buyout period because they don’t have anyone going to arbitration (or do they?).
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I’d suggest trading him but then I’d think he’s untradable but then I remembered he’s been traded like 3 times in 2 years months.
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Oop, my mistake. Rounded off and did it in my head, and was apparently off by .3. I guess that would work, as long as no one ever gets injured.
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Banish Kotalik to anywhere and throw Morissonn in the AHL is the prevailing plan.
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that and to ride miller like a 5 dollar pony ride at a bestiality convention
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 2, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Having 8 forwards score 40 points is almost unheard of. MC79 posted something a while back about the the Oilers have never had 8 players score 40 points in one season. Philly had 7 forwards do it this year (I don’t include Versteeg, who score mostly with us). Boston had 7 (I’m not including Peverley. San Jose did have 8, but they had ridiculous production from their 2nd and 3rd lines. Unless Buffalo has one of the top 2-3 offences in the league, they aren’t going to have 8 40-point forwards.
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Thats my point entirely. They have a very deep team.
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I'll even use some numbers for you
I am not using numbers to show why Pominville, Roy, and Vanek are 40+ point players when healthy because I think that should be obvious.
Stafford is just hitting his prime. Last year was a career year but his ppg of the last 3 years is 0.62. Over an 82 GP thats 51 points. He is also quite the goal scorer. While last years incredible 0.5 GPG (good for 7th of players with at least 10 G) was on an inflated shooting percentage of 17.3 percent, his previous terrible year of 0.20 GPG was on a 7.7% his first year below 10.9 Frankly his history shows that he can probably shoot at 12-13% and his shots per game have steadily improved every year from 1.63, 1.61, 2.32, 2.55, 2.89. So he should be good for 40 points if healthy.
Boyes has never been below 46 points, and he did that in his 24 year old sophomore year… The last 3 years he has had 65, 72, and 55 points. Thats way more than 40.
Leino’s rookie 20 GP with Detroit (regular season plus playoff) saw him score 11 points in 20 games. Just over 40 pts/season. He then played really bad in his first semi-full season (55 GP). However his playoff production has been pretty good. Leino has a pretty small sample size to deal with, but if you look at his total regular season and playoff GP in the NHL he has 0.543 ppg in the NHL. Good for more than 40. Further if you look at his production since he started getting top 6 minutes (playoffs 2 years ago) then he has 81 points in 111 games or 0.73 PPG. Definitely more than 40.
Then it leaves us with the two sophomores.
Ennis got 49 points getting 2nd/3rd line minutes (the 3rd most of a C behind Connoly and Roy) and 7th most of a forward. At 22 years old he may regress. But on the other hand he looked good in his 10 game audition the year before and has looked good in the playoffs (8 points in 13 GP). I think he can get 40
Gerbe scored just under a 40 point pace with 31 points in 64 games, but he did it with the 11th most minutes of a forward at 13:20/game. If kept in the NHL (and staying healthy) he should threaten 40 again unless he regresses.
So yeah its based on health, but they have 6 players who should plus Ennis and Gerbe.
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Sabres post-lockout, 40 pt scorers:
2006: 12 (TEN forwards!)
2007: 8 (7 forwards)
2008: 7 (6 forwards)
2009: 6 (5 forwards)
2010: 6 (5 forwards)
2011: 5 (5 forwards)
Just for comparison.
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i just thought about 2006... so...
F THE CANES.
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Decided to run this for the Leafs because I need more reasons to be depressed about recent Leafs teams:
2006 – 7 (5 forwards)
2007 – 7 (5 forwards)
2008 – 6 (4 forwards)
2009 – 7 (6 forwards)
2010 – 2 (both forwards) [ouch]
2011 – 4 (all forwards) [doesn’t include Kaberle or Versteeg]
I didn’t realise our depth had gotten quite that bad since Burke took over. We’re really hurting for depth. Hopefully this will end talk about trading MacArthur if Kadri plays well.
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players on the leafs that should hit 40+ (if healthy, dont implode, whatevs)
Kessel, Grabbo, Kulemin, Mac, Connolly and Lupul
Players who can do it if everything goes cherry
Kadri, Phaneuf, bozak and armstrong (he’s done it twice!)
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 2, 2011 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Add Liles to that second list.
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 2, 2011 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I think you’re generally right, though there’s no way those players all hit 40 points. That would make us one of the top offensive teams in the league, which I really just don’t see happenning.
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all? no, but the “cans” all have very good shots" and at least one of the maybes should
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 2, 2011 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Putting this on Burke is probably the right thing to do, but only because he keeps trading the guys when they approach/reach the 40 point plateau.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Aug 2, 2011 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Other than Antropov and Versteeg, I don’t really disagree with any of the guys he’s traded away. He gutted the roster, and for good reason, I think, but these past 2 seasons have not been the brightest moments in my Leaf fandom.
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most of the 40 point players he traded, let get away will not score 40 very more times, or ever for that matter
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 2, 2011 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I might even go you one further and say he sold high on Versteeg at exactly the right time, but I was merely trying to rationalize the season with only a pair of 40-point scorers.
A lesser GM would have ended the year with more than two.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Aug 2, 2011 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Like all trades for futures, we’ll have to see how Percy and Leivo pan out before we can really judge the trade, but I dislike trading a young, cost-controlled, 3-time 20 goal scorer, especially when your roster lacks scoring depth.
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Well just going by the relative returns that Versteeg fetched this Spring, I’m prepared to say that Burke netted a far greater return than did Holmgren.
Whether Percy ends up better than Versteeg or not is probably the better way to judge the trade, but as far as squeezing the most possible out of the market, that day in February had me scoring the trade a Win for Burke.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Aug 2, 2011 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions
2009 players who hit 40 points:
Blake (team leading at 63)
Poni (61)
Stajan (55)
Grabovski (48)
Antropov (46)
Hagman (42)
Moore (41)
Kubina (40)
A “where are they now”:
Bottom six
Bottom six
Second line center
Leaf
3rd/2nd line center in WPG
might get waived
3rd line center TBL
second pairing TBL.
The only guy to put up a better-than-“meh” season is still a Leaf. A “what did they turn into”:
Giguere (dump)
Caputi (deadline)
Phaneuf, Aulie, Sjostrom
Leaf
Nothing
Phaneuf, Aulie, Sjostrom
2nd round pick (Jesse Blacker)
Exelby, Stuart (nothing)
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If Roy/Pominville stay healthy for the majority of the year they’ll make the playoffs no problem, possibly as a top-4 seed battling Boston for the division lead. But remember they had to go on an enormous run, matching us step for step, just to get in last year (fuckers). If any of their key guys slump or get hurt for an extended amount of time, they’ll be in a dogfight with the rest of us. I don’t believe their newest additions warrant the massive amount of Sabres fellatio that has gone on this summer.
Last year they missed a significant chunk of the season from 2 of there top 3 forwards (pominville, and Roy) and when Pominville came back he took a while to get going.
They added Boyes and Leino to there top 6. There defense has improved a fair bit. They are a very good team.
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Agreed
I think their is a chance that there going to compete with all of they’re new additions.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Aug 2, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree with that, still they will struggle to make an impact if they run into a similar scenario as they did last year (as almost any team would). When healthy I could see them winning the division, especially if Thomas comes back down to earth. But with that said I’m not sold on the “beasts of the east” talk at this point.
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Is definitely silly. I think they are contenders though.
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wood pecker
say it out loud with no context
hilarious
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 2, 2011 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I think it’s the pecker part. That word always makes me laugh
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wood also means boner, so it’s a double whammy!
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 2, 2011 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Which is why I always chuckle when a play by play guy says “He got/didn’t get good wood on it”.
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As @chansler just pointed out on twitter, Scrivens is tied for the 3rd most shutouts on the Toronto Marlies all time. With two.
That’s so sad. (Anyone wanna guess at the other two?)
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Pogge…. and…. honestly I don’t know any other Marlies goaltenders.
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yeap. Join me in thinking about how damn sad that is.
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I literally just named the only 2 Marlies goalies I know other than Rynnas
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Gustavsson. Tellqvist. MacDonald.
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I didn't count Gus as he was only down there for a conditioning stint, but the point is noted.
Completely forgot about Tellqvist. And I was pretty damn sure it wasn’t Joey Mac posting shutouts.
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Weird that Gus played 5 games for the Marlies with a 1.14gaa and didn’t get a SO.
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And only won three of those games… the Marlies suck.
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hopefully they are better with less injuries and some over agers joining them for a full season (Blacker)
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 2, 2011 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Gardiner, Blacker, Colborne for more time, Frattin / Kadri, and hopefully not the same injury luck with Scrivens/Rynnas, or if we do have that issue, hopefully Owuya’s a better stopgap than Engelage. It’s still not great, but they should look better.
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also some hopefully solid development from mikus and Holzer and a healthy year from Finger who is a legit 4-5 NHL guy on most teams no matter what anyone says
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 2, 2011 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions
dude scored 8 times in Col his last year there, and I believe most of those were ES. He’s definately a servicable NHL defenseman who was overpaid by Fletcher and I think he tried to live up to his contract and tried to hard which made him mistake prone.
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Finger is a borderline 6/7 defender, even on a cheap contract. He was absolutely dreadful his last season in the NHL.
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Look, I’m just going to come out and say it – Lebda is probably better than Finger at this point.
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Did Jeff Finger go -3 in a 9-3 game?
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no, not really, Finger had two back to back 40+ Point seasons in 08 and 09 and then scored 20 in 39 games in 2010 all while being much better defensively than Lebda has ever been in his life, he is probably better defensively than everyone on the Leafs D right now is outside of Schenn
only Kaberle and phaneuf have even come close to that
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 2, 2011 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions
disregard points, i was looking at PIM’s i need sleep
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 2, 2011 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions
In Jeff Finger’s last season with the Leafs, he faced the 2nd weakest competition among the team’s defencemen, and had a stunningly bad Corsi REL of -28.4 (next worst on the team was Schenn with -7.3, a 21 shot difference). He isn’t good defensively. He’s really just not.
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I think I just heard Finger throw up at being compared to Lebda in a negative way. Is there anybody else more universally known for sucking. Hell Lebda may have eclisped Toskala on the suck-o-metre.
that comment warrants a “frowning of a life time”, a “paddling” and a finger!
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Winning only 3/5 games x 1.14 GA = Sucky team
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 2, 2011 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
The shovel is to incapacitate Komisarek.
I somehow doubt many of us could take Komisarek down with our bare hands.
But hey maybe I’m just speaking for myself.
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I’d let him beat me in the fight and then call the cops and he’d go to jail for assault and… crap, someone tried this already didn’t they?
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I am know Komi apologist, but is it possible that he has a rebound season. What were his stats like in Montreal because I remeber him being good or is that just confimration bias (thanks PFACNF)
he didn’t get many games in his first go with the Leafs, ~35 and first season back after injury maybe is likely going to be good. Maybe he is due
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It’s also possible that Jagr wins Art Ross. I wouldn’t bet on that either, though.
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the Marlies have not only been bad, but have had goalie carousel that would make the flyers look loyal
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 2, 2011 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Does that include the St. John’s Maple Leafs?
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no, but nhl cheapshot got it on the first two guesses =(
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Well that’s dumb. Sure Scrivens is 3rd for shutouts for the Toronto Marlies, but in team history Jimmy Waite had 7 in two season with the St. John’s Maple Leafs.
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Shea Weber asked for $8.5 and Preds submitted $4.75 million. Arbitrator has 48 hrs to decide on 1 year term.
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holy shit 8.5 lol
i hope he knows he doesn’t really deserve that, that has to just be a bargaining tool right?
i mean.. he’s good but cmon
Both are pretty insulting to the other party, it will end up being $6.5M.
There is an interesting post over at On the Forecheck wondering if this offseason has damaged long-term relationships between Preds and Weber.
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Also, this post from Elliotte
Seems to also point to that:
I don’t believe for a second Nashville’s contract offers are anywhere near $4.75 million. It sounds like the organization is offering above $7 million on a term anywhere between three and seven years. But, several people who know Weber say this is not about money.
It’s about winning. The Predators, in a lot of ways, are a model organization. They get the most out of their money with great coaching and development. But there is a limit. Nine of Weber’s similarly aged (or younger) teammates on the Gold Medal winning Olympic Team have a Stanley Cup ring. That’s not lost on him.
http://www.cbc.ca/sports/blogs/elliottefriedman/2011/08/predators-in-trouble-with-weber.html
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he wants to win he should come to toronto, once we get Parise to offset kessel and then snag either crosby or getzlaf to center the two, it is cup all the way
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 2, 2011 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Weber-Schenn
Gardiner-Phaneuf
Gunnarsson
I didn’t forget the other 3 defensemen. We just ran out of cap space with that top 4, and can’t afford anyone else.
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I'm sure
Between Weber, Schenn and Phaneuf you could cover the extra ice time of a 6th guy
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Probably don’t need anyone else…
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by happiergilmore on Aug 2, 2011 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions
It seems like people are really quick to jump to the conclusion that a team and a player have a bad relationship just because a deal takes a while. RFAs sometimes take a long time to get signed, that’s just how it goes. Stamkos was rumoured to be looking for a way out of Tampa, then when the deal was actually announced it turned out they’d had the basis of the deal in place for weeks. Last year Kulemin didn’t get signed until later on in the summer, does anyone right now think he wants out? Or how about Doughty and Schenn right now? RFA negotiations take time. People need to chill and understand that.
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It seems like people are really quick to jump to the conclusion that a team and a player have a bad relationship just because a deal takes a while.
This is more than that and I think we know that. This is the first time in history that a team-elected arbitration has ever actually made it to arbitration. Usually it’s a precurser to a long term deal.
I know RFA negotiations take time. But going to arb is almost universally regarded as a bad sign. You’re likely better off signing a 1 year like Parise.
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After reading Friedman and Mirtle’s latest article, I’m starting to think you may be right. Though I did notice that Friedman’s sources were primarily player agents, who do have a strong reason to push the idea that players will hit UFA status and cash in. And though it is true that players who go to arbitration rarely stay with the team much longer, I also don’t think there’s ever been a player as high-profile as Weber to make it that far. It will be interesting to watch, I’m sure.
That being said, I can’t imagine Nashville would walk away from pretty much any award, and Weber will still be RFA next summer, so it’s unlikely we’ll know one way or the other for a while yet.
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It was mentioned that Florida took Luongo to team elected arbitration as well, and made it all the way. He then got traded the next year
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 2, 2011 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions
he should be asking for no more than 7 (chara makes 6.9 per) unless it is on a mega short term deal like 1-2 years
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 2, 2011 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Wouldn’t be surprised if this was the case. Hit UFA ASAP
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by happiergilmore on Aug 2, 2011 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions
i cant wait for the Parise UFA shit show this year, or what he is traded for at the deadline if the devils are out of the playoffs
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 2, 2011 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Looks like Sam Carrick is working out with Gary Roberts this summer.
Here is the National Post article
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by happiergilmore on Aug 2, 2011 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought Roberts’ thing was supposed to be some super selective camp. Carrick is a 5th round pick who put up just .66 PPG in the OHL last year – his 3rd year!
I do love Roberts’ stare in that NP photo, though.
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Gary Roberts reminds me why I'm not in the NHL.
At one station, Jordan and Jared Staal are given a 90-pound barbell and told to perform six cleans, six front military presses, six speed squats, six bent-over rows, six deadlifts, six shoulder presses and six jump squats. One more thing, says Roberts. It all has to be done in under a minute.
That is 42 combined repetitions in less than 60 seconds.
"As fast as you can, but with good technique," says Roberts.
"Seriously?" Jordan asks.
Roberts just stares back. "That’s the way it goes boys," he shouts. "No rest. You rested enough already this summer."
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So much for that
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