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by JP Nikota on Aug 30, 2011 7:00 AM EDT
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Sure, it's a stretch, but referring to the part in Orange County where the dean of admissions trips out on E (at least, I think that's what they wind up giving him) actually does relate to today's featured article. You see, as it turns out, we don't realize how often we're not actually answering the questions we're asked. Like the (inadvertently) drug-addled dean, we often respond with answers that are, well-intentioned enough, but don't actually provide the answers everyone is looking for:
One of the biggest debates in Leafs Nation this summer has been Nikolai Kulemin’s goal projection for next season. Writers everywhere have looked at this question from every possible angle. While they were attempting to answer the question: Will Kulemin score 30 goals again? They all answered a slightly different question than the one being asked: Can Kulemin sustain his shooting percentage? What happened to other players who had similar seasons? Was there anything different about his most recent season to suggest the trend might continue? Essentially, the question of "Will Kulemin score 30 goals again?" was substituted with "How likely is it that Kulemin will score 30 goals again?" This is a small, but significant difference.
It's a good article, and I highly recommend giving it a read. Over the jump, we've got a bunch of cool stuff, including a podcast at Puckin' Eh that includes both Chemmy and PPP. Enjoy, ladies and gentlemen.
Leafs Links:
Puckin' Eh Podcast #1
Chemmy and PPP join Jon S. in the site's first ever podcast.
Homage to Mr. Tucker
The latest from Blue Chip Prospects.
Player types: "High Event" and "Low Event"
Cam Charron elaborates on what this means over at TLN.
Can the Leafs over-achieve enough to make a playoff run?
Michael Langlois at VLM thinks that they are.
Other Hockey Links:
One is the Loneliest Number
Danny Gray on why some of us get so glum in the summer.
Flames trade Langkow to Coyotes
Just in case you missed this. From Allan Maki at the Globe.
Why the Phoenix Coyotes traded for Daymond Langkow
Greg Wyshynski isn't the only one looking for answers.
‘Scary Gary’ Roberts becomes diet guru for young NHLers
Story from James Mirtle at the Globe.
Ask Lee Stempniak: Getting Biznasty
More fan fiction from Loser Domi at BMR.
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Here’s another non-Leafs link (that is linked to a few former Leafs) if anyone is interested – Max Domi is not reporting to Kingston (Head Coach Todd gill, Goaltending coach Curtis Joseph), GM Doug Gilmour trading him to London (um…okay no Leafs connection there).
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I think it was more of Kingston sucks all around as an Org still and the Domi’s wanted either one of the top tier of talent producers (London, Windsor Kitchener) or to go the college route
I was still thinking he was going USHL/College route.
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goddamn London.
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blah.
Hey i’m planning on going to the Ice Dogs/Rangers game in Kitchener on Nov 4th. I’ve never been is it best to get the tickets in advance or is there a good amount available for walk up?
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Get them in advance especially for a Friday night game against a top team. That way you know you have tickets and you can get decent seats too. I normally walk up but I’ve been relegated to standing room only or even not getting in at all. Its not bad for me because I’m from town and I can get back home quickly to catch it on the radio or tv or find something else to do. Also there is no price difference or anything either.
I saw that each seat is the same price, alright I’ll try and get them soon, don’t want to make the kid stand
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also: i cheer for a Top Team.
That makes me happy
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I don’t have a CHL team, I just cheer for Leaf prospects
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 30, 2011 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Olden + McKegg = Erie Otters Love
Although we also have Percy on the Majors (i think?) and our 7th round goalie pick Sparks on the Guelph Storm.
Burke loving the OHL.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 30, 2011 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions
I used to be a Majors fan when I was a lot younger but I got to meet the Erie Otters once and since I’ve been a fan of them
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by happiergilmore on Aug 30, 2011 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Percy – Majors
Sparks – Storm
Broll – greyhounds
Ross – Winterhawks
Mckegg, Olden – Otters
Carrick – Battalion
Nicholls – Blades
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 30, 2011 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions
oh yes, and Levio plays for the wolves
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 30, 2011 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions
That’s a lot of CHL.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 30, 2011 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Yup, and Blacker and Devane just graduated to the AHL/ECHL
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 30, 2011 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
oh the Wolves, one of my fav. places to see a game is Sudbury arena
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Levio is my pick for sleeper prospect of the 2011 Leafs draft
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 30, 2011 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m going with Camaresantaisi
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 30, 2011 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions
I find US developmental players hard to gauge
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 30, 2011 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions
particularly
if all they’ve done is play Minnesota High School hockey… Evenson might be a good pick for this also.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 30, 2011 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions
He was talked about even before the draft, lots of people thought he would go in the 3rd round.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 30, 2011 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions
I only remember people talking about his speed
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 30, 2011 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Burke did say before the draft that character and foodspeed were his #1 and #2 things to look for, some of his draft picks clearly fit that.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 30, 2011 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah, Percy is the only player that you can fit into the “pure talent” pick
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 30, 2011 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't even know
if I’d put Percy in as a “pure talent”. He’s got talent, but he’s not as slick as some.
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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 30, 2011 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions
thus the use of quotations, he is the only real pick out of the draft for the Leafs that might have been picked on talent alone
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 30, 2011 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Was talking to Casey Cizikas on the weekend about Stuart Percy. He said Percy was always pretty underrated around the OHL until last year, says the kid has amazing vision on the ice and is a wicked playmaker, he should be a full time NHLer one day.
Hopefully ’Ziks is right on the money
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by Matt_Roberts on Aug 30, 2011 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
People rave about his “hockey smarts” more than anything else.
Not sure if that’s a good or a bad thing.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 30, 2011 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Good thing. Hockey sense and smarts are something you have, not learn
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by happiergilmore on Aug 30, 2011 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions
most important things
to making the NHL as a regular are skating and the first pass… beyond that it’s attitude and production.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 30, 2011 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Right
I’m just saying I was saying he was the steal for the Leafs on draft day… I’m not arguing that I identified him before NHL scouts.
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- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 30, 2011 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Cameranesi has wheeeels. They’re both 4 year projects but have good upside, especially for a 5th and 7th rounder
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by happiergilmore on Aug 30, 2011 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I said that
on draft day.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 30, 2011 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions
I grew up in Sudbury and used to love going to Wolves games. Pretty sure I remember seeing Raycroft play there.
Come get your duds in order...
Me too, they churned out some decent players at that time
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by BetterThanBester on Aug 30, 2011 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions
DOn't forget
Leivo.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 30, 2011 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions
I didn’t!
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 30, 2011 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions
I really
hope he breaks out this year… the fact that Burke et al drafted so many kids with late birthdays means we might see some interesting and eye popping results this year.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 30, 2011 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions
agreed, I am also really curious to see Blackers transition to the Pro game, he had a very good year last, and has been relatively unheralded for a good Leaf prospect
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 30, 2011 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions
I think in some ways
the late birthday thing helps because kids end up playing 2 more years of Junior so the average fan has time to forget about them.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 30, 2011 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions
I am liking this new slow development process though
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 30, 2011 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions
BUT BIGGS SUX!!!
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by happiergilmore on Aug 30, 2011 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions
You mean the early birthday?
Blacker is a january baby and had 2 years left Kadri is november and had 1
by WizardofNaz on Aug 30, 2011 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m still mildly surprised we already signed David “the Brolldozer” Broll.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 30, 2011 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
good, the less people from london that cheer for the knights the better.
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does it count as One Team if one’s from the OHL and the other’s from the Q?
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Pretty sure ONE TEAM only counts within the same league.
CHL is tricky though as the Mem cup combines the leagues. Interesting gray area.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 30, 2011 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah because the odds are low your Q team would play your O team…
I think it’s an exception to the one team rule, because if both make the mem cup final, hey you’re happy no matter what
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hmm…would rimouski be your Q team?
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no comment
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I cheered for the Knights when they had Kadri
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 30, 2011 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Of course.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 30, 2011 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Tavares – Kadri was real fun to watch too
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 30, 2011 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions
I hate to admit but he looked really good with Knight too.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 30, 2011 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Knight has looked less impressive off Kadri’s wing, but we shall see
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 30, 2011 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions
I love Junior for the last names, there’s usually a couple teams with players who must be o nthat team. Knight on London, Rover in Niagara…
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I wanted Boston to keep Ryder so when Knight made the team they could have the KnightRyder line.
by WizardofNaz on Aug 30, 2011 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
this is along the same lines when I wanted the Green Bay Packers to draft James Laurinitis (Son of Animal of Road Warriors fame) to play linebacker with A.J Hawk. That was the same day I realized I spend way to much time wondering about stuff like that
If you look up "Loyalty" in the dictionary you'll see a picture of a Leafs fan wearing a Todd Gill jeresy looking like he just got punched in the stomach
by Ghostsof on Aug 30, 2011 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
you have no idea how bad I want the Avalanche to find a defenseman with the name Swallows to one day play with duncan Siemens
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 30, 2011 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
You get a rec for that, but I’d like to go on record as having spit it out.
Not liking the Habs since 1959.
by not norm ullman on Aug 30, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Kadri looked good with everyone he played with that year. Knight never impressed me much
by WizardofNaz on Aug 30, 2011 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Knight
had to shift from goal scorer to distributor last year… his goals dipped from 36 to 25, but his assists shot up from 21 to 45.
I think Boston is still ok with the pick.
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- Sir Winston Churchill
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by Steve Burtch on Aug 30, 2011 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions
I understand that people who actually watched him specifically probably saw good things, however as a fan who has seen him play at most 20 times and never focused on him, he never did anything to draw my attention to him.
by WizardofNaz on Aug 30, 2011 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah, I watched a lot of Knights games when he played with Kadri and the only time I really noticed him was when he was knocking in a Kadri pass (or flubbing on one, which happened a lot)
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 30, 2011 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
A lot of scouts
still think Knight is a huge pickup for Boston.
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- Sir Winston Churchill
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by Steve Burtch on Aug 30, 2011 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah, he had 2 points in three AHL games for providence too
He has all the potential
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 30, 2011 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
His AHL pace is only slightly below Colborne’s NHL pace!
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by Draglikepull on Aug 30, 2011 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
I’ll tell you right now… Learn to say and love the name Matia (Mah-tee-ah) Marcantuoni. Yet another instance of the Rangers getting a top 5 talent in the 15-20 range because the player would play for only Kitchener so teams wouldn’t draft them. Was coming around in his rookie season before getting injured. Reminds me a lot of Kadri but with more speed and a bit less feisty.
holy crap. I’ll get to work on that name
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Good cause he should be the Rangers #1 centre next season
by WizardofNaz on Aug 30, 2011 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
oh man i don’t even want to think about next season.
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Why just cause you’ll be missing Strome as the Isles attempt to ruin another promising young talent.
And by next season I meant this upcoming season. The Rangers really need Matia and a few more of their young kids to step up as most of the top scorers are moving on yet again.
by WizardofNaz on Aug 30, 2011 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
oh okay, no this season I’m still excited for (I don’t thnk they’ll keep Strome up very long), it’s the season after I’m not sure if Strome, the Hamiltons, or visentin will be back, I like our goaltending, but it’s just the expectation of being a contender back to middle of the pack.
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ooh he’s my age :D
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most of the team will be around your age lol
by WizardofNaz on Aug 30, 2011 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
this should be fun :P
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please dont tell me your going to be one of those puck bunnies who get dolled up for the games and hope a player wants to take them to a ’party"
by WizardofNaz on Aug 30, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
bahaha I may be fangirl sometimes, but I am definitely not a puckbunny
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…yet.
You’re young, there’s always time.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 30, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
everyone should stay far away from our twitters.
by leaflover4ever on Aug 30, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
I do
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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Ye Marcantuoni is a menace, played shinny with him, Curcuruto, Wilson, Finn and some other guys when they were playing AAA their draft year.
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by happiergilmore on Aug 30, 2011 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions
it’s going to rain the the Falls on Saturday. Lame.
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Entire post gets a rec
because that is one of my favourite quotes of life.
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you know it’s been a long summer when we’re discussing psychology on a hockey blog
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I ran out of charts is why.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 30, 2011 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Make a chart graphing the relationship between charts remaining and amount of psychology talked about
by WizardofNaz on Aug 30, 2011 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions
you can never run out of charts
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by Matt_Roberts on Aug 30, 2011 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions
It’s funny because last year it was people complaining about writing about sports journalism as an indicator of it being summer.
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this year it’s psychology and a lack of charts. Also, Sports drinks.
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by thenumber14 on Aug 30, 2011 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
GARY ROBERTS SAY YOU ONLY DRINK BIOFUEL AND EAT MUNG BEANS
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 30, 2011 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions
crap
I think that was me too
Shameless optimism
It was lots of people
It’s okay. We don’t listen anyway.
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We don’t listen anyway.
Isn’t that the fuckin truth
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I always listen
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 30, 2011 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m sorry it’s summer. I’ll just write some arbitrary player rankings and trade proposals. Everyone loves those, right?
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Aug 30, 2011 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Kadri + Scrivens + 2nd for Stamkos.
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MacArthur+Kadri for Parise
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 30, 2011 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions
ehh give them a 4th too
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Dupuis, Orr Rosehill, Caputi and a 3rd for Injured Sidney Crosby. Book it.
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by thenumber14 on Aug 30, 2011 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions
I remember when every proposal had Grabbo + Mitchell in it to "even it out"
This is before Grabbo went all supersaiyan and was still irrationally hated on.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 30, 2011 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions
someone please make a grabbo turning super sayin .gif :)
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by Matt_Roberts on Aug 30, 2011 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
oh god. i remember all of that. man did THAT get tiring.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Aug 30, 2011 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
the complaining or the writing about journalism?
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both.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Aug 30, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m honestly surprised we haven’t gotten more anti-stats hate this summer.
Pension Plan Puppets
I hope YouTube comes down to film this.
I hate stats…hate them hate them hate them.
But i complain enough about things already.
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samesies. Stupid weather.
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Wilson line blender combinations
I was thinking about this the other day.
Everyone is expecting MGK, Lupul/Connolly/Kessel, Kadri(?)/Bozak/Armdog to be the top three lines going into the season. But chances are, by mid-year we’ll have seen a lot of different line combinations. What are some combos that have not been discussed much that you can see having success (or not) this year?
Shameless optimism
/whirrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
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by thenumber14 on Aug 30, 2011 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh, I was just making blender noises.
Sorry, it’s the offseason, I only read posts about Chaim Weisswasser or Talking Pineapples. Or Biofuel.
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by thenumber14 on Aug 30, 2011 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
fun fact:
Chaim Weisswasser was the original voice for Ananas, and to prepare for his role he drank nothing but Biofuel for 8 days.
by the end of it he found himself in Belarus attacking passersby with the puppet leading to Grabovski’s hatred fo pineapples.
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So basically, We just solved the 3 year old mystery of why grabbo hates Pineapples.
IT’S ALL COMING TOGETHER
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by thenumber14 on Aug 30, 2011 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
I’ll start:
Kadri/Lombardi/Kessel
These guys could skate circles around the opposing team and be real dangerous off the rush. I don’t know much about Lombardi but I’m holding onto some blind optimism that he’ll be healthy, fast, and defensively responsible by season’s end. Coupled with the skill (and speed) of Kadri and Kessel on his wings, I think these three can do some damage.
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am I the only one who doesn’t think Kadri is that fast?
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good top end, not great acceleration, shifty, can change direction quickly, but no I would not call him a speedster
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 30, 2011 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes, agile and speed are different. Kadri is agile and shifty, not speedy
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he needs to gain a step or two on his acceleration though, hopefully he meant it when he said he lost top weight and put it all into his legs
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 30, 2011 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
I think he’s set up to have at least adequate speed if not a bit better than that. Last year during his late call-up he was slow, and he looked a bit pudgy. In the interviews I’ve seen of him so far this summer, he looks more cut, he got his jawline back. Safe to say he’s in much better physical condition to make an impact this time around.
Sounds good, jawline is likely a good indicator. Like others said above, he just needs to be quicker with those first few steps, that added to his shiftiness would be a big upgrade.
except on someone like kessel, it is impossible for some people to lose chub face unless they literally starve themselves to near death
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 30, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
He was slow as shit but everything he’s said this summer makes me think he realized that and has been focusing on lower body training/increasing his speed.
Need more explosiveness out of him.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 30, 2011 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
He seems to keep getting pulled in different directions each summer
Kadri – you’re cut from the team, go gain 20 lbs before you can play with men.
/gains20lbs
Kadri – you’re slow as shit because you gained all that weight. Go lean up and get faster
/hopefullygetsfaster
Can’t wait to see what next summer he has to do.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 30, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Kadri – we need a backup goalie and all our prospects have flamed out. Learn to play butterfly!
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by Draglikepull on Aug 30, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Kadri!! I thought I told you to shave those sideburns!
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by Primitive_ on Aug 30, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Lupul Bozak Macarthur.
The Blue Steel line.
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by thenumber14 on Aug 30, 2011 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Also
A healthy Lombardi is the fastest skater on the team
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if he returns to post concussion form maybe, even then in a straight line race with Kessel it’s a toss up me thinks
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 30, 2011 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
his new inner ear problem will make his skating pattern erratic and unpredictable!
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 30, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think the first line of Orr-Franson-Kessel will be a good one!!
But moreso I think Kadri will be moved up and down the lineup as will Lombardi if he’s healthy.
by WizardofNaz on Aug 30, 2011 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Armstrong-Connolly-Kessel
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 30, 2011 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
if we were going for aesthetically pleasing, Komi and Schenn would be the Leafs top pairing
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 30, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
If we were going for aesthetically pleasing, Burke would be all about dangerous hits behind the net in a race for icing.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 30, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
touche
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 30, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
they’re all adorable in their own way
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I enjoyed that podcast quite a bit, though the sound quality was a bit low (it was the first episode, of course). I took a look at the 2008-2009 Leafs roster while looking at post-lockout seasons. I almost cried when I saw the roster. Go ahead, check wikipedia.
I don’t have to check Wikipedia, that roster is forever burned into my mind along with the other traumatizing memories from my past.
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 30, 2011 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
related
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by leafer1984 on Aug 30, 2011 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
21 minutes TOI for John “Seventh Rounder” Mitchell in the opener.
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by Bower Power on Aug 30, 2011 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 30, 2011 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Do you remember Jaime Sivers? He played 23 games. I have no recollection of his presence.
by Goosemonster on Aug 30, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
I remember liking him. I don’t remember why
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c’mon, what’s so bad about having stajan center your top line… it’s okay, it all worked out in the end, as somebody else metioned, the Leafs were able to hide him in the bag of pucks they sent to the Flames.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Aug 30, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Who the heck is Jaime Sifers and how did he end up playing 23 games for the leafs that year?
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A nobody defenceman.
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A shameful part of our past.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 30, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
no one knows
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 30, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Ouch. Painful reminders
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Andre Deveaux and Boyd Devereaux must have confused Joe Bowen if they ever were on the roster at the same time.
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I liked Devereaux. I’d much rather have a guy like him on the 4th line than Orr or Brown.
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by Draglikepull on Aug 30, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Ehh Orr sure, not Brown
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Brown is a great 4th liner. He’s speedy, and he’s actually not totally useless in terms of pitching in a goal or assist here and there – he made that nice pass to Kessel on a 2-on-1 this past year. He also fights every now and again.
And then there’s the moustache, which I believe we have signed to a 3-year NMC.
by Goosemonster on Aug 30, 2011 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Brown is actually pretty useless as far as pitching in on offence. His career high for points is 8. Devereaux’s career low was 11. Devereaux was also speedy and a good penalty-killer.
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by Draglikepull on Aug 30, 2011 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Eh, its true. I figure the moustache multiplies his point total by 2. That and he played with Colton “Where plays go to die” Orr.
by Goosemonster on Aug 30, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Stone Hands Brown.
I like his speed and willingness (not necessarily ability) to drop gloves if need be, but otherwise he’s a 4th liner and everything that comes with that word.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 30, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
He’s a 4th liner. He does that job well.
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I don’t understand why “4th liner” has to mean “guy who isn’t very good but throws big hits”. There are plenty of guys who actually have some hockey skills (Devereaux, Crabb, etc.) who can fill that role while being useful players.
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by Draglikepull on Aug 30, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
You do realize Devereaux is retired and works in media right?
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I meant back when he played. There are plenty of guys like him still around.
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by Draglikepull on Aug 30, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
he is fine on a line where he can rely on others to generate the offense while he crashes and bangs and forchecks the other team into the groun
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 30, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Problem is guys like him, or Dominic Moore who can chip in offense start to ask to be compensated as such, and price themselves out of that role.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Aug 30, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Moore, yes, but Devereaux? I never got the impression he was looking for a big pay day. Also, I’d say Moore is a reasonably good 3rd liner, not a 4th line utility guy.
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by Draglikepull on Aug 30, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Paycheck 700k? Check.
Uses his speed? Check.
Seemingly happy with limited minutes? Check.
Contributes to offense? That’s a big no-check.
Until we have the talent depth that we can afford the luxury of having some one like Malhotra as our 3/4C, that’s all I expect from a 4th liner.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 30, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
blocks every shot with reckless abondonment – check
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by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Aug 30, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
career high of 8 points in 50 games. Over 82 games, that’s about the same Devereaux.
by Goosemonster on Aug 30, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Fuck Boyd Devereaux.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Aug 30, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Chaim’d
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by thenumber14 on Aug 30, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Gunnarsson/Gustavsson is pretty bad for him right now.
If we ever traded for Erik Gustafsson he’d be fucked.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 30, 2011 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
The worst part of it all is I’m starting to lose my fond memories of our playoff runs 2000-2004 (my coming-of-age as a Leafs fan) – It’s getting shoved aside by the nightmares of watching Andrew Raycroft, Vesa Toskala, and the cast of useless characters that filled up our team in the post-lockout years (until relatively recently, and of course excepting the great Mats)
by Goosemonster on Aug 30, 2011 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Gary Roberts taking the team on his back and carrying us to the conference finals is burned into my memories.
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by Draglikepull on Aug 30, 2011 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
That I can’t forget. But I had to re-watch some of those playoff highlights to see how good Stumpy was with us. I had forgotten about the games I stayed up hours to watch (2OT, 3OT)
by Goosemonster on Aug 30, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe forgotten isn’t the right word, but they are being overwhelmed with traumatizing memories. At least drinking kept some of those Toskala/Raycroft rage nights at bay.
by Goosemonster on Aug 30, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Gary ROberts had some help
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People forget just how good those teams were.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Aug 30, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t remember being in the playoffs. I do remember being shocked and disappointed the first time we didn’t make it though
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We used to stand outside after the games on teh street waving Leafs flags and getting cars to honk. I remember the city was electric at the time. Especially in 2000-01 when we made it to the conference finals. We were crazy – and this was before I started drinking!
by Goosemonster on Aug 30, 2011 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
actually, that would have been ’02. not much to remember from 2001 when we lost to the devils for the second year in a row.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Aug 30, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Reebok Black Ice jerseys
thankfully the Leafs have not been subjected to these yet…
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Is that a Buffalo jersey or did someone just take a dump on a plain black jersey?
by Goosemonster on Aug 30, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
It’s hard to make out the nameplate letters on the Buffalo one. At least the WSH one is a better colour contrast.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 30, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
It’ll be the must have for this year’s raver.
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A couple of them are decent… like Tampa’s looks pretty sweet imo but most of them sucks
by WizardofNaz on Aug 30, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
I expect Nabisco to file a lawsuit shortly
I can’t un-realize this.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Aug 30, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Fact
Chemmy and I have a friend who’s colorblind so this is how he views normal jerseys all the time….well those with red neon that is.
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Good God
Phil was just on the Fan 590 and sounded like a competent human being.
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Bullshit
link or it didn’t happen.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 30, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
he comes off as noticably less awkward when you dont have to look at him
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 30, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
As an awkward person myself, I sympathize with the guy.
by Goosemonster on Aug 30, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
“Don’t worry Phil no one can see you, just relax”
by WizardofNaz on Aug 30, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
an entire summer of hanging out with Puti and Blue Jays Players seems to have paid off, at least when he’s on the phone.
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by thenumber14 on Aug 30, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Don’t forget Bozie and Army :)
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http://www.fan590.com/media/media.jsp?content=20110830_113925_9108
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I hope YouTube comes down to film this.
did you even bother to check the Fan’s website?
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Heh I can’t even listen at work I was just being a dick
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 30, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
its like saying pics or it didn’t happen. Its a joke. CHilllll
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 30, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
FOR SERIOUS
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 30, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
pic unrelated
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by thenumber14 on Aug 30, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
I love how they’re talking about Madison in the interview. I really wish I bumped into him this summer. I would have shown him my tits for a picture.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Aug 30, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
he still sounds awkward. he also sounds out of breath just talking… :/
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Aug 30, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
He’s a hockey player, what do we expect?
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Aug 30, 2011 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
good thing the leafs have enough personality to make up for him
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 30, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
it’s still pretty awkward. He keeps repeating stuff
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It doesn’t help that Vendetta’s questions are about as lucid as Finnegan’s Wake.
Come get your duds in order...
Yeah, this guy is brutal, how does he have a job?
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by thenumber14 on Aug 30, 2011 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Surely we’ve all heard enough radio to know there’s no answer to that question.
Come get your duds in order...
The Puckin Eh podcast was much better, as are the PPP ones. Wish we had more of them. I did a podcast for a class at university once, it was a bit of work but not bad if you have a good mic and logic express pro.
by Goosemonster on Aug 30, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
“Do you think the fact that the team is a lot younger will work in your favour…you know, you look like a guy who likes to play hockey…don’t want too much scrutiny…”
He then lists people’s ages for 5 minutes. That’s not how you ask a question.
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I have no clue. I listened to the Lombardi interview yesterday, and he kept asking him how the “broads were in Scottsdale” and how he’d sit in the parking lot at a mall just to watch the women walk past.
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I hope YouTube comes down to film this.
Why the fuck does this guy ask such stupid questions? I mean, STILL going on about the trade? Leave the guy alone, FUCK!
by Goosemonster on Aug 30, 2011 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Further, why ask “Does X affect your game at all”, what are they going to say? “Oh yeah I cry myself to sleep at night and purposely don’t score because people who don’t know anything about me like to talk shit”
by Goosemonster on Aug 30, 2011 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
i couldn’t even get through the interview it was so bad. holy shit.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Aug 30, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Leafs take batting practice with the Jays
Phil Kessel puts one almost to the warning track. Colby Armstrong chokes up on the bat.
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apparently Biz Nasty went yard
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 30, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
also, whoever drew fairservice is, he writes a shitty video summary
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 30, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I have never understood why Jays fans and Leafs fans don’t get along. Different sport, same city. Why is there competition?
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If I wasn’t so lazy, I’d link a drunk jays fan blog here where the inferiority complex of a jays fan really shines through; it kinda explains the situation.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Aug 30, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
because baseball sucks
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by Leafer87 on Aug 30, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Yes. Yes it does.
It's a knife, for God's sake. What's you used to keep you fork company for all these years? The sharp side, the blunt side. What do you want, a lesson?
yeah, i hate baseball, but I don’t take time out of my day to rip on the Jays
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 30, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I love baseball, and I love the Jays. I don’t get why Jays fans hate hockey so much though. Its definitely the short guy complex
by WizardofNaz on Aug 30, 2011 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I love both sports, been playing and cheering for both teams since I was little
Mind you, I endlessly rip on raptors fans. lol
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by thenumber14 on Aug 30, 2011 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
well basketball is the worst of the big 4 sports
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Worst of the big 5 (I like to include soccer). The only basketball I like to watch is march madness
by WizardofNaz on Aug 30, 2011 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
the only basket ball i like to watch is the all star slam dunk competition
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 30, 2011 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
the only basket ball I like is Slamball.
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by Bower Power on Aug 30, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
well I was going by north american major leagues, but yeah if were were to rank the sports basketball would be below cricket and water polo
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it’s below Golf for me.
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by thenumber14 on Aug 30, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t consider baseball a sport…more of a ‘recreation’.
It's a knife, for God's sake. What's you used to keep you fork company for all these years? The sharp side, the blunt side. What do you want, a lesson?
College hoops are definitely more entertaining, you have 5 vs 5 instead of lebron vs. kobe… more of a team sport.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Aug 30, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I wonder how many cities exist where there are both MLB and NHL teams, and the NHL team completely domanates fan interest?
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does anyone in chicago care about the cubs or white socks?
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 30, 2011 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I have no idea, what I know about baseball is limited to what people talk about here and what i absorb when not paying attention with sports center on in the background
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 30, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Dude. Cubs fans are forever. Haven’t won since 1908. Sure beats the shit out of ’67. Plus Wrigley Field since 1914, Harry Caray and the Bleacher Bums. Average attendance 35-40,000 for the last 10 years.
And the White Sox fans are still mourning Shoeless Joe Jackson & the Black Sox. They won on 2005 or so, hadn’t won since 1917. 25-35,000 a game.
Yup. Their fans are serious.
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by not norm ullman on Aug 30, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
North or South side? In any case, yes they do care, a lot more than about hockey.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Aug 30, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Blackhawks had a terrible following a few years ago until they went all Toews/Kane
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 30, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Captials > Nationals?
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By a large margin.
However, Orioles might be > Capitals
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That’s #2.
Rockies and Avalanche have probably flip-flopped a few times over the years as well.
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Sharks> A’s could ahve that relationship too or is SJ too far?
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yeah, maybe the giants might be a better comparison?!?!?
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Aug 30, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
did you google map it? I stand by my statement because they both contain “San” in their name… psychologically closer in my mind.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Aug 30, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s stupid.
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by happiergilmore on Aug 30, 2011 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Dodgers < Kings but this is temporary.
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What about Red Wings/Tigers lately? Minnesota is big for hockey, not sure if the Wild fanbase is as diehard though…
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by BetterThanBester on Aug 30, 2011 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
heck no, even in their crappiest years, Tigers garner a lot more attention than the wings on their best years. Detroiters freely admit that hockey is the 4th sport in Detroit (right now with the Pistons sucking they may be making a push for 3rd).
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Aug 31, 2011 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions
'xactly.
I have nothing against the Jays, by all accounts they are an exciting young team based on all these AA moves lately, I just don’t like baseball particularly. Also comparing AA to BB is stupid.
I stopped caring in 1994.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 30, 2011 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s not unreasonable to compare different sports. It’s OK to say “I don’t like baseball because…”, but everything falls apart when we get to the “my sport is better than your sport” stage.
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Okay that’s fair as every person has their own preference to what they find exciting. But c’mon, if someone tries to claim that they are captivated and can’t fathom a glance away from the TV when watching a baseball game, I gotta call major BS. Although entertaining if at a game live, it’s for this reason that I can’t stand baseball… its sooo boring!
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Aug 30, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Some people don’t find it boring. You can’t just state that as a fact.
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by T is for Truculence on Aug 30, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
At the same time I could argue that Football is the most mind numbingly boring sport I have ver watched on television, it’s a matter of personal opinion, not fact.
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by thenumber14 on Aug 30, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, this is why I mentioned “preferences” but even talking to people [Americans], nobody ever claims that they ever sit through a whole ball game without taking a break, they freely admit that it’s not THAT exciting.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Aug 30, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Personally, I consider this a feature not a bug. You get to chill, talk with your buds, etc. etc. I love it. You can pay as little or as much attention as you like. So leisurely!
so what your saying is baseball is for the casual sports fan, not the diehard? Kinda like those suits that fill the lower bowl at most Leaf games.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Aug 30, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m surprised baseball isn’t more popular here since it’s the sport that invented stats that you need a math degree to figure out
August is a bad month for hockey, peoples moms, staying on topic and Chaim Weisswasser.
I like the excitement of watching hockey.
Analyzing the math behind it is what we do in the offseason so not to die of boredom from complete hockey separation.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 30, 2011 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
foot ball is 15 seconds of awesome interspersed by 5-10 min intervals of jabbering and dull
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 30, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I discovered that DVRs make football and baseball watchable thanks to the power of fast forward.
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This is quite the revelation… must try this.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Aug 30, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Unfortunatly most DVRs can’t record large numbers of HD programs so i have been sent back to the SD stone age.
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To make up for lost time, the Sabres signed six seasons worth of front-loaded cap skirting contracts in one week.
just as long as the hockey gets the HD recording
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Aug 30, 2011 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I dont think I have ever watched a complete football game, except for when the Giants ruined the Pats perfect season
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that was exceptional
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 30, 2011 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
the best
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by Chris Stoikoff on Aug 30, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
i’m going to watch my first ever football game on Thursday. Wisconsin vs. UNLV. I’m going so I can witness the chaos that is 81,000 drunk rabid fans.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Aug 30, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes. That was my point. You are expressing opinions not facts
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by T is for Truculence on Aug 30, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s OK to say "I don’t like baseball because…",
That’s not comparing sports though….
Like when people compare trading 1st round draft picks in the NHL, MLB, NFL, etc…. totally not the same thing.
I say things like Hockey > Baseball or Hockey > Soccer but frankly I’m just being a dick because I don’t care about those sports.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 30, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Right, but that's the beginning of a comparison
For example, I don’t like baseball/football, because it’s less fluid than hockey. Soccer has a fluidity to the game that is more similar.
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Those kinds of comparisons are totally legit. It’s more stuff like comparing not signing your first round pick to trading first round picks…not only are they different for obvious reasons, they are different for complicated reasons as well. It’s more that thinking all sports work the same way is stupid.
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I guess what I meant
isn’t that stylistically comparing the games isn’t stupid, but making comparisons between players, GMs, salaries, trades, & teams between sports is stupid.
Like Bautista > Kessel, AA > BB, Vernon Wells trade vs. Lebda trade, etc.
The Apples vs. Oranges comparisons are what I think are stupid.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 30, 2011 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I mean, sure it’s two double letters but come on! IT’S TWO DIFFERENT LETTERS.
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by thenumber14 on Aug 30, 2011 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Its not stupid to compare AA to BB. 2 extremely smart extremely hard working men. They both took over a rebuild and redid the entire team their way. They both identified the positions they wanted to build from (back out and pitching) and got better and younger across the board. They both use all the financial resources they have to build the best scouting departments out there (arguably).
by WizardofNaz on Aug 30, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
But saying 1 is better than the other I’d say is stupid.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 30, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
my experience is that the ahtred is more o nthe jays side of things, and it’s probably the fact that the Leafs get more coverage.
August is a bad month for hockey, peoples moms, staying on topic and Chaim Weisswasser.
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That drunk jays fan blog was outrageously hateful of the Leafs to say the least
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 30, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Lots of them are sens/Habs/canucks fans
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 30, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Yup, I see Jays hats all the time in Ottawa, from people who then proclaim that Toronto sucks, and the Leafs are terrible. At work, I get regular jokes about being a Leafs fan. Doesn’t stop me from having Leafs shit all over my cubicle walls.
by Goosemonster on Aug 30, 2011 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Sens have fans?
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There’s like 5-10 at SSS. They exist in theory.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 30, 2011 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I know a few, and they are my friends (amazingly)
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I know a few
wow, you know ALL the sens fans in existance?
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Aug 30, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
booze also makes me angry
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by Matt_Roberts on Aug 30, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
booze makes me drunk
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 30, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
no, but it lowers my tolerance to stupidity
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 30, 2011 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
self-hate: see your doctor.
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by not norm ullman on Aug 30, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
nah, I hate that jerk, but only when I drink
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 30, 2011 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Especially when Jays bloggers chirp the Leafs about not making the playoffs in 7 years. Call me when the Leafs miss for 18 straight.
It’s a lot harder to make the playoffs when you HAVE to have a better record than one of the Yankees or Red Sox.
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Excuses, excuses
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by T is for Truculence on Aug 30, 2011 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
The Jays have had 18 years to think of something. Still haven’t. And if anybody even dares to call the Jays a small-market team, just take a look at your Rogers bill.
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by T is for Truculence on Aug 30, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t want to defend the Jays and sound anti-Leafs, because the Leafs are the first team I loved and will always be my #1, but that comment doesn’t really make sense. The Leafs have had how long to figure out how to win the cup? Also, the Jays have figured a whole lot out, in terms of the way the team is built for the long-term, and their rich farm system.
Come get your duds in order...
the leafs have been a “contender” much more recently than the Jays,
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 30, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
You’re falling into the Edmonton Oilers trap. I like how AA is building the team too, but it’s all just talk and potential until the team actually does something.
The 18 years comment was about making the playoffs. Since 1993 the Jays have never won more than 88 games in a season. The Leafs, while operating under no salary cap, made the conference finals three times between 1993 and the lockout. They now have to deal with a salary cap, but we know the team will spend to the cap.
The Jays have never operated under a cap, and while AA has said Rogers will open the purse strings when the time is right, it remains to be seen if that actually will happen.
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by T is for Truculence on Aug 30, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
1. Talking about a team’s record spanning almost two decades is real dodgy. It’s like saying it’s the same Leafs that has failed to make the playoffs since the lockout. Burke wasn’t around for all that, and he isn’t responsible for what happened before he got there. So to say the Leafs have had since 2004 to figure out how to get into the playoffs, it’s misleading and untrue. Similarly with the Jays, or any team that changes management.
2. Rogers opened the purse strings to sign Bautista, who at the time most people considered a one-hit wonder. That contract looks shrewd and thrifty now, but it wasn’t last offseason.
3. Not sure how the Blue Jays compare to the Oilers. The Jays didn’t tank for a few years to land some top draft picks and then claim that that is a “rebuilding strategy”. The Blue Jays have made a string of smart, successful trades over the last two years that have boosted their roster, in addition to investing heavily in scouting and their farm system. Just because the project isn’t completed doesn’t mean it’s all “talk and potential”.
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by The Bag on Aug 30, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It’s semantics. The details of how are different, but the objective is the same: get good, young, controllable assets with high upside. But if none of the players work out, the Jays are in the same boat as the Oilers. If they make the playoffs and win, then AA deserves all the credit he gets.
Assigning blame is one thing, and you’re right that Rogers was not around for all of it, but fact of the matter is the Jays haven’t made the playoffs/won anything since 1993. The Leafs haven’t won anything since 1967 either. Sure, a big part of that was Ballard, but it doesn’t change the fact we haven’t won anything in 44 years.
The Bautista contract may look “Shrewd and thrifty” now but it’s only the first year of the deal. Check back in a few years and we’ll see how it looks then. I hope like hell it works out, for the record. But it is too early to pass judgment on it.
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by T is for Truculence on Aug 30, 2011 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
And yes, I’ll give credit to Rogers for allowing Bautista to be signed to market value. It’s a good sign and I hope it carries through when AA wants to start spending even more.
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by T is for Truculence on Aug 30, 2011 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
That was my only point about the Bautista contract. They spent when AA asked for it, and it wasn’t even a clear-cut smart decision. They trusted him and paid out.
And I’m not sure how the Oilers argument is now reduced to semantics, especially if it’s the details are different. That sort of by definition makes it not semantics. The Oilers have placed all their hope in a handful of young guys. Not only might they not totally pan out, they all have to be resigned at some point and the Oilers might not be able to afford them. The Jays have one of the top-ranked farm systems in the majors. If Arencibia doesn’t work out, maybe d’Arnaud will. If we have to shift Escobar to 2nd because Johnson can’t figure out how to play baseball like he used to, maybe Hechevarria ends up working out. They just signed seven international FAs to further bolster that farm system. They’re hardly sitting tight hoping Lawrie works out.
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I hear you. I think the Jays have more control/are in a better position to control their young players for longer. They’ve also done a better job of adding quantity to the farm system. If anything, the Jays look a lot like the LA Kings or St. Louis Blues: teams with plenty of young talent that haven’t quite pieced it together yet. But I’d hold off on the accolades for any of them until they actually go anywhere.
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by T is for Truculence on Aug 30, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
it’s hard to make the playoffs when you have to win 6 games a year against players like Crosby and Thomas
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 30, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok. It’s easier to make the playoffs as an organization in the NHL than the MLB, at least when you play in the AL East.
Come get your duds in order...
it’s easier to buy talent to make the post season in a league without a salary cap
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 30, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
The Jays have internal budgets that somewhat limit their ability to do that. They aren’t total cheapskates, but they can’t spend like the Yankees or Sox.
Come get your duds in order...
still, the Leafs since the lockout have had a strict cap instilled on them when they had no elite young talent in the system so they could not just go out and buy new skill to fill the gaping holes left by sundin
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 30, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s fair. I’m not saying the Leafs have it way easier and should obviously have made the playoffs by now. But when making the playoffs means beating one of the two best, highest-spending teams in the sport, it’s not enough to just say “there’s no salary cap”.
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the cap coment was more as to why the Leafs could no maintain the playoffs as opposed to a reason why the Jays could not make them
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 30, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
The Yankees and Red Sox are the two top-spending teams in baseball, but they’re both also extremely well-run organizations. Teams like the Dodgers and Mets have spent outsized amounts of money on payroll as well but have had nowhere near the amount of success.
If Epstein and Cashman were idiot GMs neither team would be anywhere near as successful as they are. The fact that AA has been able to change the team so much in such a short period of time demonstrates that keeping JP Ricciardi around way too long was also a crucial mistake. But hiring him in the first place based on his promise to win through cheap shortcuts was a fundamental mistake too.
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by T is for Truculence on Aug 30, 2011 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Completely agree. But this is why the outrage that Rogers won’t spend all their money (not necessarily from you, but in general) doesn’t make sense. Spending money doesn’t always give you a good team. I’d worry about the actual decisions AA is making, and if a time comes where he couldn’t make the right move because Rogers wouldn’t spend, then there’s a concern. Hasn’t really happened yet.
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The Jays like to perpetuate this idea that they can’t spend big because they don’t get the attendance figures. Meanwhile Rogers is breaking its own records in terms of new customer activations and flirting with the $3 billion mark when it comes to revenues.
That is the biggest scam in Toronto. All the bellyaching about the Yankees and Red Sox, while Rogers is a multi-billion-dollar corporation, one of the largest in Canada, with a veritable monopoly on telecommunications in central Canada. It’s complete bullshit (you can tell I don’t like Rogers).
Now AA has said Rogers will spend when the team is ready for it. I hope he’s right.
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by T is for Truculence on Aug 30, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Besides, I thought the whole idea of not coming to games is to send a message to ownership that the fans are not going to be sheep? Or does that only apply to the Leafs
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by T is for Truculence on Aug 30, 2011 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
and sometimes you loose a lot because your team just isn’t very good
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 30, 2011 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
and sometimes you loose your pants cause your belt is too lose.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Aug 30, 2011 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
So basically the Leafs the past five years or so. Sigh. I shudder to think of what might happen if the Leafs miss the playoffs for 18 straight years
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by T is for Truculence on Aug 30, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow I seem to be really grumpy today for some reason
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by T is for Truculence on Aug 30, 2011 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
i didn’t like Rogers either, until I moved out of their territory and had to use cogeco.
August is a bad month for hockey, peoples moms, staying on topic and Chaim Weisswasser.
same thing south of the border except replace Rogers with “comcast” and cogeco (I’m guessing this is the budget cable service) with WOW. Geesh, the grainy images they try to pass off as “HD” is embarrassing.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Aug 30, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
What’s complete bullshit? That Rogers doesn’t want to spend money recklessly? They’re a business. Just because they own the Jays doesn’t mean they owe it to the fans to spend as much as possible. I hate Rogers one hell of a lot, but saying that because they have a lot of money they should have an unlimited budget isn’t reasonable.
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No, it’s not about spending recklessly, but that spending – period – is what has kept the Jays from competing with the Yankees and Red Sox. As I was trying to say above, you need money and good management. The team has had the former for a while but not the latter until recently.
And I hope that you remember this when people start bitching about MLSE.
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by T is for Truculence on Aug 30, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
The team hasn’t had good management for a while. AA has been around two years?
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If Rogers was unsatisfied with Ricciardi, they should’ve turfed him long before. There was a bit of complacency with the team towards the end of his tenure. Every year he’d say the team would be better next year, and every year the ownership bought into it. But the team never really got any better, and Ricciardi would bitch about being in the same division as the Yankees and Red Sox. At least now AA is not using that as an excuse. He’s said he welcomes their competition because he wants the Jays to be as good as them regardless of what division they’re in. I respect that.
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by T is for Truculence on Aug 30, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Right. But that’s why I wouldn’t say they’ve had good management for a while. They’ve had good management since AA was made GM. Ricciardi’s last few years were…disastrous? I think of Rogers as being involved in the Jays management as much as I think of MLSE as being involved, which is to say, barely if at all.
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When I say they’ve had the former for a while I was referring to money. The latter was management.
Rogers is involved in Jays management insofar as deciding who is in Jays management. Ricciardi may be directly at fault for his decisions, but it’s on Rogers for leaving him there for so long
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by T is for Truculence on Aug 30, 2011 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
No worries. Apologies if I was unclear
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by T is for Truculence on Aug 30, 2011 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Why doesn’t anyone mention that structurally — i.e. 4 teams per league make the playoffs in baseball, and a max of two per division, whereas 8 per conference in hockey — means it’s harder to make the playoffs. If the top 8 teams per league made the playoffs, the Jays would be 7th seed today, but then again, you baseball-haters would find another reason to piss on them, I’d imagine…
Look, I love the Leafs and I love the Jays… but comparing relative success by playoff appearances is apples to apples.
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That’s what I meant when I said it’s harder for the Jays to make the playoffs. I qualified with AL East because if you play in the AL Central, it’s not all that hard to make the playoffs. The Rays, who are third in the East and will not make the playoffs, would be division leaders in the Central. Same as when the Seahawks went to the playoffs last year with a losing record. It all depends on where you play.
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And personally, I love that it’s hard to make the playoffs. It’s SUPPOSED to be hard to make the playoffs. The Jays haven’t been good enough, but they’re rarely bad. They have to be better, but saying that because they haven’t won anything in 18 years to imply that they’re no good, is, to me, as simplistic as “1967!!” while ignoring the Burns/Quinn years.
But they still haven’t been good enough. Even if they were playing in another division, the team has only cracked 80 wins a handful of times and maxed out at 88 wins in 1998 (99?). And that’s including almost an entire decade when the Rays and O’s were absolutely horrid.
Aside from everything else, I think it’s a black mark on the Jays that a team like Tampa, arguably in an even worse position to succeed than the Jays, have been able to build a compettive team, make the playoffs, and get to the World Series while the Jays have languished over the past five years. Now, is Tampa’s success sustainable? Arguments will vary. But the fact of the matter is that team has done quantitatively more than the Jays have.
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by T is for Truculence on Aug 30, 2011 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Remember, the Rays have had to play the Red Sox and Yankees just as much, have had to deal with bad attendance and a much smaller payroll.
The Jays are on the road to success, and there is a definite sense of optimism surrounding the team that has not existed since the late 80s into the World Series years. But to absolve them for any wrong-doing in the years in between, that’s not fair either. This team has made a lot of mistakes over the years too. It’s not just because they have to compete with the Yankees and Red Sox.
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by T is for Truculence on Aug 30, 2011 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m not absolving the Jays of anything. I very clearly said the Jays haven’t been good enough, but I’m answering the dismissive tone from some Leafs fans about the Jays not making the playoffs in 18 years by noting that the bar to make the playoffs is much, much higher for the Jays than it is for the Leafs. The Jays pretty much have to be one of the top 5 teams in baseball, while the Leafs could sneak in an 8th seed by being the 18th-20th best team in hockey. There’s a very real difference between the Jays missing the playoffs and the Leafs missing the playoffs. Good teams miss the playoffs in baseball — not so in hockey.
By Baseball Prospectus’ adjusted standings, Tampa has been about the 5th best team in baseball this year… and they’re 7.5 games out of the playoffs. That’s life in the AL East.
However, at the same time, you have like 160 games to get your act together and build a winning team. Hey, those four teams earned their way there, why can’t it be the Jays. However, pure statistics, it’s obvious that you have a better chance of making the playoffs in the NHL than the MLB.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Aug 30, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
If anything, 162 games makes it harder not easier. The longer season means luck plays a smaller role.
That is one good thing about Baseball re: statistics. Such a long season does a good job of eliminating small sample size problems.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 30, 2011 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
“my sport is better than your sport”
also, most Leaf fans I find are also Jays fans, not the case when you flip it. Pretty much every Canadian baseball fan is a Jays fan but they dip into every Canadian hockey franchise’s fan base (as well as those that like the Pens, hawks, caps etc) and have a lot of anti-Leafs rage built up.
and ones who are sens fans or whatever and cant mock the Leafs without getting their beloved Senators splashed on hide behind the Jays fan monkier because are Jays fans going to rip on the Jays as a comeback?
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 30, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Comparing sports is stupid in almost every way.
Crazy would be NOT overanalyzing everything.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 30, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
never really thought about it before, but wow are the ball players jacked upper body wise compared to hockey players, too bad Dion wasn’t there, I bet he could have crushed a few
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 30, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Did you bring your Pogs?
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Shouldn’t you be at work?
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Aug 30, 2011 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Nay.
All finished at the Ranch.
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you have a ranch?
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 30, 2011 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah you look at photos of Lawrie and Arencibia they both have stick legs
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by T is for Truculence on Aug 30, 2011 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
not sure…. if… serious…?
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by happiergilmore on Aug 30, 2011 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Meanwhile, In Toronto (Off Topic)
Re: Rob Ford
His "very premature" vision includes an elevated monorail pulling out of Union Station, connecting to the Rogers Centre and the Air Canada Centre, and continuing on to the port lands. He sees cafes and cherry trees lining a revamped, European-style Cherry Street, a luxurious hotel along the water, which perhaps connects to the island airport with a high speed ferry, and soccer pitches and ice pads in the mothballed Hearn generating station (an idea he credits Councillor Paula Fletcher with), and an indoor atrium connecting the Hearn to Cherry Street. "Before the sports complex, [the monorail] would stop into a 1.6-million-square-foot mall with the likes of Nordstrom, and Macy’s and Bloomingdale’s," said Mr. Ford. "It would be the most spectacular development, ever, in Canada. And on top of that, we’d stick the largest Ferris wheel in the world over there. Like the London Eye. People come from all over the country and they always ask, what can we do, where can we go? Go down to the largest Ferris wheel in the world."
Read it on Global News: Global Toronto | City wants to seize control of port lands
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I’ve put Monorails in Ogdenville, North Haverbrook and Brockway and that put them on the map.
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Ford see’s trees of green, red roses too….
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 30, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
People come from all over the country and they always ask, what can we do, where can we go? Go down to the largest Ferris wheel in the world."
Is he for real? Surely he can’t be for real.
Further, the London Eye is no longer the World’s largest Ferris Wheel. Further still, Ferris wheels are fucking boring. Further still, what the hell would there be to see on top of the wheel? Nothing, that’s what.
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look children, from the top you can almost see the top of the bottom third of the CN tower!
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 30, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly
It makes sense, kind of, in London because they lack large buildings. But in Toronto it’d be small as fuck compared to the CN tower.
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and you’d have a great view of the waterfront condos.
Oh man, that ferris wheel would give the condo owners something new to whine about.
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Does London have the same rule as the French about not building anything higher than the Eiffel Tower (except in London’s case it Big Ben or something?!?!).
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Aug 30, 2011 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Are there any concept art sketches of this proposal? I really want to see them.
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the Star says it was Doug Ford.
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dont let a small fact like that get in the way
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hahahaha oh now i have to explain the loudness
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what about harrison ford?
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 30, 2011 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Is there a chance the track might bend?
by Goosemonster on Aug 30, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Not on your life, my Hindu friend
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 30, 2011 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
lol Jm Liles
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 30, 2011 12:44 PM EDT reply actions
I bet he’s already gotten about 50 “YES” replies.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 30, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Terms not yet released, but James van Riemsdyk has signed a 6-year extension in Philly. Since he’ll be eligible for a NTC in 5 years, I’m assuming that’s when Holmgren plans to trade him.
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Holmgren is like the anti-Burke when it comes to contracts.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 30, 2011 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
he also had 4 more points than Kulie did before Burke signed him to almost 2 mill less per year
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 30, 2011 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s an awful lot of money for a guy who’s never scored more than 40 points in a season. I know he was a 2nd overall pick and at just 22 he’s likely to keep improving, but that just seems like really bad cap management to me.
Claude Giroux, who was coming off a 47 point season and was one of the leading scorers in the NHL when he signed his extension earlier this year, has a cap hit of just $3.75 million.
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by Draglikepull on Aug 30, 2011 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Grabbo is getting so filthy rich this summer.
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by Draglikepull on Aug 30, 2011 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
if he puts up another comparable season to last year
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 30, 2011 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
He will, I’ve mathed it. It’s science.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 30, 2011 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
id like to see a chart please
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by Matt_Roberts on Aug 30, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Claude Giroux will likely be one of the best value players in the league next year.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 30, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
if he flourishes with the extra ice time, he also might get crushed facing harder opposition
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 30, 2011 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Possibly but he's dick nasty enough that I might make him one of my keepers in my keeper league.
Have to make some tough choices soon as I can only keep 4 players. Going to have to let a lot of good players go.
Possibly including Brad Richards. :(
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 30, 2011 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
He’ll be more of a focus from other teams, but it’s not like he played easy competition or got favourable zone starts or anything like that last year.
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by Draglikepull on Aug 30, 2011 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
nope, but he is still going to face the toughest year of hockey he has ever played, stepping back a bit is to be expected, not to say he’ll only score 30 points or something
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 30, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I was going to say that may be partially offset by increased ice time in a 1st line role but he was already gettin 19:34 so it may go up a minute or so if he deserved it but not a ton.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 30, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
also curious as to how much time he spent playing with Carter/Richards
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 30, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Carter was his #1 linemate 5v5.
Richards and Briere his #1 and #2 linemates on the PP
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 30, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
interesting, so it will be fun to see if he can carry the load himself with different linemates
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 30, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Counting out Jagr so soon, tsk, tsk, tsk.
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by Draglikepull on Aug 30, 2011 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Also interesting is that he had more 5v4 time than any other player on the team.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 30, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
on the topic, it was extremely difficult to tell from the story on PD if they were being serious when gushing over how amazing JVR’s contract is. As it was mentioned, over $4 mil/year for a guy who’s never put up more than 40pts. Too much, too soon.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Aug 30, 2011 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Paying for potential makes sense with a UFA, but when the guy’s under team control for five more years, why not make him prove it before you pay him?
Also, I think it’s an overpay even on reasonable expectations. It covers four years of RFA and two years of UFA, so figure that’s something like 3.5M per RFA year and 5.75M per UFA year. While he might live up to that, it’s way more likely that he underperforms it than outperforms it.
probably the only way they could lock him up for that term is with that cash
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 30, 2011 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, that’s why it makes sense with a UFA. But he’s under team control for the next five years already, how much value is there in locking him up at this point?
Yeah a two year deal makes much more sense. Unless they really think he’s going to be worth it.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Aug 30, 2011 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Holmgren is probably convinced he is a PPG player for those full 5 years
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 30, 2011 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
The crazy thing to me is that he’ll make more than Giroux. Do they really think JVR is the better player?
To some degree this is another knock-on effect of the Carter/Richards trades. If Carter and Richards were still around it would be easy to play hardball with JVR, but now that they’re relying on him for big production and big minutes they don’t have as much leverage.
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by Draglikepull on Aug 30, 2011 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Slightly different situation
but there are parallels to Phil Kessel’s contract.
Obviously Kessel was a bit more proven (3 years in the league, just came off a 36 goal season) and was RFA, after the trade Burke immediately signed him to a 5-year $27M contract, buying out 1 UFA year I think?
JvR is less proven, but a similarly high draft pick, it’s a year before his RFA year, and gets 6 years $25M.
I think it’s probable that Kessel outperforms JvR over the period, but in terms of paying for potential at a young age there are parallels.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 30, 2011 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
The Kessel deal is an interesting comparison, but I feel like he got paid on the assumption he would continue his previous year’s performance, while JvR is getting paid on the assumption he will wildly exceed his career best to date.
Kessel’s previous year was 36 goals and 60 points in 70 games, which projects to 42 and 70 over a full season. You don’t have to layer much growth on that to make him worth his contract (which works out to something like 4.75M per RFA year and 8M per UFA year).
JvR’s best is 21 and 40. You need to project a lot of improvement to make his contract fair value. I do expect improvement, but I would’ve liked them to make him prove it this year before paying him at that rate, since the league is littered with guys who never quite lived up to their potential.
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by Goosemonster on Aug 30, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
But how are his intangibles?
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 30, 2011 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
The Hamilton Bulldogs will host the Toronto Marlies in an outdoor game at Ivor Wynne Srtadium, January 21st at 1ET. @theahl
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ENOUGH ALREADY
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The outdoor games. At first it was a cool novelty. I think there will be like 5 outdoor games this year in various leagues.
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Time to have an outdoor game in the beer leagues!
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 30, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
see also: outdoor shinny.
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Mine two
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I hope YouTube comes down to film this.
probably the only thing I really miss about Thunder bay, out door free ice everywhere.
that and McKellars
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 30, 2011 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
old school burger restaurant down town, they make coney burgers
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 30, 2011 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Surely if this is Thunder Bay you’re talking about, you meant “Boney Cougars.”
Place is crawling with ’em.
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by not norm ullman on Aug 30, 2011 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions
you mean “Georges” :P I always hit it when I go home. I can miss pretty much anything else, but not my 3-4 coney dogs and a grape pop.
by Nigel Cadbury on Aug 30, 2011 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions
east ender eh?
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 31, 2011 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
you ever played out doors on fresh ice in the sun? that stuff is shiny
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 30, 2011 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Dude. Lived the last 7 years in Winnipeg. OF COURSE I played outdoor shinny. It’s all those madmen play.
That said, I never noticed whether it was shiny out or not. Too cold and windy to take my mask off. Or the balaclava over it. Or the helmet over that. Ditto scarf. etc.
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by not norm ullman on Aug 30, 2011 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I now understand the reference someone made the other day in regards to “jaredesque spelling” on that one graph charting “excitiment”.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Aug 30, 2011 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Burke finally gets his outdoor game! ’Atta boy Burke!
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