Leafs' "D" Possession Numbers
by JP Nikota on Aug 4, 2011 7:01 AM EDT
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I'm sure there will be lots of chatter today about the contract awarded to Shea Weber and Patrick Sharpe's new deal, but this is a Leafs blog, and I'd rather hear about Leafs-related minutiae than other teams' star players. That's why my featured story for the day comes from The '67 Sound, over at The Leafs Nation. He's taken a look at which defensemen helped the Leafs push the puck in the right direction over the course of the past season. He concludes on a positive note:
Overall, I think the best case scenario for the Leafs is to improve from being one of the worst five possession teams in the NHL last year, to falling somewhere in the 15-20 range. If they can combine that with above average goaltending from Reimer, it should be good enough to challenge for the last two playoff spots in the East.
Don't ask me why he thinks so, go see for yourself.
Read on for more links.
Weber Gets $7.5M At Arbitration
From James Mirtle.
Blackhawks Re-Sign Sharpe
Article from the AP at the Globe. $5.9M cap hit until 2017, as per Cap Geek.
Sharks Sign Colin White To Solidify The Best Defence In Team History
Not that they're prone to superlatives at Fear the Fin.
Remembering Beehive Mania
If you just said "What?", you're like me. From Michael Langlois at Vintage Leaf Memories.
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Ignoring the context of the cap for a moment...
Would you rather pay Shea Weber $7.5 million or Duncan Keith $8.0 million for next season?
First off, the cap is really all that matters, especially for the Leafs.
Second, can I vote for neither or whatever Drew Doughty gets? I think he is probably the best defenseman of the three. I might prefer Suter over Weber and Keith too. He doesn’t have the goal production, but might be a better all-round defenseman (Barry Trotz has generally given Suter a tad more ice time than Weber).
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by HockeyAnalysis on Aug 4, 2011 7:30 AM EDT up reply actions
The cap may be all the matters from the point of view of team management...
But I don’t think the arbitrator has the luxury to look at the issue in such black and white terms. Duncan Keith’s cap hit is friendlier than Weber’s because of his long-term deal, but in my opinion it’s actually fairer to compare them in salary terms for the purposes of evaluating that decision. Again, this is notwithstanding things like the salary cap, context of the deal being reached, etc.
Cap may be all that matters for the Leafs, but it’s certainly almost irrelevant (at least on the upper end) to the Predators, so I’m not sure why you’d bring that up in a hypothetical discussion that didn’t reference any team at all to begin with.
Lastly, you can certainly vote for whatever Drew Doughty gets if you want. I don’t think I’d agree that as of right now he’s a better defenceman than Shea Weber, but his contract will probably look more attractive if they can reach a long term deal.
Suter...
Is a very interesting case, but I think he’s going to get serious money thrown at him come July 1, 2012 unless Nashville can convince him to stick around on a hometown discount. I don’t really know Suter’s mentality, but I don’t see how the events of yesterday starting with Weber being lowballed by Nashville and ending with that huge award could have helped the situation.
Just to clarify...
I wasn’t suggesting the Leafs were going to get either player. That’s not the point at all.
If you want, pretend it’s 2002 and there’s no salary cap, with those two deals available in FA for one year. Just curious which dollar figure people thought was more indicative of that player’s abilities.
I would take Keith, but I also think he’s the better of the two.
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I’d pay either an equivalent dollar value for “All the tea in China” if their cap hits were still reasonable.
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by SkinnyFish on Aug 4, 2011 8:42 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I think I would have rather offered Weber $6-6.5mil and avoided arbitration rather than insulting him with $4.25mil or whatever. How’d that work out for you Nashville? Oh, hey, Suter would like a comparable wage since everyone thinks they are about equal.
How much would anyone else place in their top two? I doubt Nashville will go for $15mil
Elliott Friedman reported that the Predators were offerring in the neighbourhood of $7 million a year in pre-arbitration negotiations, but that they just used $4.75 million in the arbitration hearing as a negotiating tactic to try to drive the arbitrator’s decision down.
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I’m a little confused by this all. Are these front loaded deals now messing with arbitration awards. I’m shocked he got 7.5 million.
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The best theory out there is that Weber’s side argued the actual salaries (not cap hits) of guys like Keith and Seabrook, which are in the $7-$8 million range.
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I think Weber wants short term because he wants to see if Nashville will actually spend/build a contendor. He doesn’t want to be stuck playing for a middleweight low budget team his whole career.
Nashville is essentially faced with two choices
Spend to the cap.
Lose Weber.
Though with a new CBA on the horizon they might be able to do both if the NHL rolls back contracts and lowers the cap like they did before.
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Maybe not to the cap, but definitely in the New Jersey/Columbus/Tampa Bay range.
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Not sure they have to spend to the CAP just yet, but stepping up from being a floor team would be a good start.
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Yes. They probably need to add about $10 million in spending. Which, after raises to Suter and Rinne, really only works out to about one good forward.
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Nashville likes to stay below the salary midpoint but seems to be willing to spend up to it if they don’t want to save the money for future years.
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To make up for lost time, the Sabres signed six seasons worth of front-loaded cap skirting contracts in one week.
This is a pretty big moment for that franchise. It’s not just losing Weber. You think Rinne and Suter are going to want to stick around if management won’t do what it takes to win? Or any other high-end player?
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Aug 4, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
here’s the thing…Nashville could make a serious run in Weber’s last year, depending on bringing back Suter and Rinne, how good Geoffrion and Wilson are, and most importantly, if they can get Radulov back in the NHL. Still, they won’t be able to have long-term success at a high level as long as they hover near the cap floor.
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Also, to add to the links...
There’s a bit of a discussion (panic?!) going on over at JFTC regarding what Weber’s award may mean for Doughty’s situation.
They probably should be scared.
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Yeah...
At this point even a long-term deal for a 21-year-old D-man with multiple Norris-winning season potential wouldn’t do much to lower the cap hit…any front-loading would likely occur a la Stamkos with an agreed-on AAV that was front-loaded just so that he could get the money earlier.
a long-term deal for a 21-year-old D-man with multiple Norris-winning season potential
This is where you should be scared. Those exact words could have been said about Dion Phaneuf at his age.
A lot can change in a few seasons.
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They were.
Phaneuf was 2nd in Norris voting (losing out to Lidstrom, just like Weber) the season prior to signing his big contract and 6th the year before that. His stats for the 3 seasons prior to Phaneuf signing his contract are almost identical to Weber’s over the past 3 seasons.
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by HockeyAnalysis on Aug 4, 2011 8:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes, true. I was just trying to put Phaneuf’s early years in context. People believe Weber could/should win multiple Norris trophies too. Ultimately, career progression is really difficult to predict for 21 year olds. Weber is a little older so what you see is probably what you will get but will Doughty become a superstar defenseman and perennial Norris candidate or stagnate and merely be a very good player with a long career? Don’t know for sure but he does have superstar Norris trophy potential.
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by HockeyAnalysis on Aug 4, 2011 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Would the Phaneuf contract be comparable?
Lots of hype about a defensemen putting up huge point totals, Norris trophy nomination.
They're not perfectly comparable, no.
But they are (were) both gifted young defenseman whose value was at an all time high when they were very young.
Just saying, don’t necessarily expect him to be the same player in 4 years. Could become Neidermeyer, could become Phaneuf.
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I think the former is more likely than the latter, but your point is well taken. That being said, this discussion is probably moot anyway. Barring truly ridiculous salary demands, it seems to me that LA is looking for deep runs in the upcoming years and that probably means they need him on their defence.
I found an old puck daddy article yesterday part of their series on why not to draft stamkos, doughty, etc.
They didn’t actually have real reasons for Stamkos, but for Doughty they cited Bryan Burke saying that Doughty was already the player he was going to become at the draft (which is why he was so good on his ELC) but a guy like Bogosian could have higher upside.
I was thinking about this as well. Does the following make sense?
Guys like Doughty and Stamkos put up massive point totals while on their ELCs. This means they get big raises. On the other hand, a guy who peaks after his first RFA contract is probably now at a discount since he was undervalued at the expiration of his ELC.
Add to that the fact that the RFA contract is possibly longer than the ELC and you get a guy at a relative discount for more seasons.
I’m not sure if that’s sound drafting philosophy, I’m just speculating as to the reasons why some people might say you shouldn’t draft a guy like Stamkos/Doughty.
The articles weren’t really meant to tell you not to draft a guy like Stamkos/Doughty, they were just saying there’s always the Alex Diagle and you neve have a sure-thing.
Here’s the thing.
You always want to draft a player like Stamkos because not only does he reach his potential right away, but he stays at his potential for the longest possible time and the number of people with equal potential can be counted on one hand. If you take someone after Stamkos you may be getting more bang-for-your-buck durign RFA years, as you say, but if the player is never of the same quality as Stamkos then you’ve lost. The salary cap is all about getting value out of your players, but you still have to have the best players available to win championships. There’s a reason why Crosby’s team is always a dark horse, Detroit always competes, San Jose, Washington, Vancouver etc. They have great players; role players and star players.
If you’re drafting someone like Doughty though—personally I think Doughty is amazing but he’s not the second coming of Bobby Orr or anything—then you want to take him because he’s a great player, and will be for his career—but if you see someone with more potential (I doubt Bogosian is that guy, but let’s just say that he is) I’d rather take him, even if it takes a couple years extra for them to reach it, because once they do you have a window.
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by MapleLeafMole on Aug 4, 2011 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions
But unfortunately it doesn’t have the data for Phaneuf’s 2006-2007 season. I’m just assuming he got favourable zone starts since he got them for his 2007-2008 season.
Seems like a safe bet at 57% Ozone starts in 07/08
by Self Destructive Zones on Aug 4, 2011 8:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Drew Doughty’s Corsi Rel QoC last year was 0.731 (QoC 0.119). Phaneuf in 2007-2008 had 0.157 and -0.852 respectively. I’m not really sure how those factor into the discussion though.
People may disagree with this but I’m not a fan of using QoC to compare players on different teams. I think it’s more informative to look at the rank of a player within his team. This tells you who’s getting which matchup.
Alright...
Doughty was second among defencemen on the Kings last year in Rel QoC and QoC. In 2007-2008 Phaneuf was 3rd among defencemen in Rel QoC and 7th in QoC.
I’d agree, certainly with respect to the fact that team rankings would seem to better indicate who’s being sheltered/to what extent they’re being sheltered. Corsi QoC I think is still useful in terms of measuring how tough a player’s minutes are broadly, but in terms of sheltering and matchups I’d agree for sure.
by Self Destructive Zones on Aug 4, 2011 8:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Ranking by QoC
07-08 Flames:
Regehr
Sarich
Vandermeer
Warrener
Aucoin
Phaneuf
Hale
Eriksson
10-11 Kings
Mitchell
Doughty
Johnson
Scuderi
Greene
Martinez
Drewiske
Doughty and Weber aren’t really comparable to Phaneuf because they both play tough defensive minutes and still perform extremely well. Phaneuf performed well while being sheltered defensively.
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List of 21 year old defensemen sorted by even strength goals
Doughty had more than Phaneuf. Interestingly, so did Schenn.
From '67 Sound's article:
However, some combination of Phaneuf, Liles, Gunnarsson and Schenn should be at least as good as Phaneuf, Beauchemin, Kaberle and Schenn were last year, and Aulie and Franson should represent a considerable upgrade over the nightmare of Komisarek and Lebda that we suffered through for so much of last season. (emphasis added)
It kind of scares me if they will only be “at least” as good as our top four last year. It’s also worrisome that the third pairing probably won’t be Aulie and Franson, but Komisarek and someone (Franson or Gunnarson most likely). Basically this article is getting me more worried about our defense for this year than optimistic, as we will need Schenn and Phaneuf to perform at their highest level, and Gunnarson and Aulie to step it up and come into their own for there to be a significat improvement in our defense corps’ performance. Liles needs to play as he did in Colorado and not get thrown off by the Toronto microscope, and Franson needs to be used in the right role and not thrust into a place he isn’t ready for. So many sketchy moving parts.
And then there’s Reimer. I guess the whole thing is moot if he can continue providing above-average goaltending, as we then just need to worry about the goal scoring part.
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Well if the whole team is garbage, then maybe we get Nail’d. But I’d rather not think like that.
by Self Destructive Zones on Aug 4, 2011 8:18 AM EDT up reply actions
To be perfectly honest our system desperately needs another free (ie. draft) injection of high-end talent so being a shit team for another year would do us well in the longer term. Yeah, we all want to make the playoffs and it would definitely benefit the young guys we have in the lineup right now in terms of professional development, but remember our window isn’t even open yet… not until Colborne/Gardiner et al become primary contributors.
Yeah I don’t disagree. Its just the prospect of a year of miserable leaf hockey that turns me off.
by Self Destructive Zones on Aug 4, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
This team is too good to be a lottery team, barring a catastrophic run of luck like the Devils had last year. There’s no way that we’re worse than St. Louis, NYI, Colorado, Edmonton, Atlanta, Florida, etc.
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by Draglikepull on Aug 4, 2011 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Hah, I can’t believe I did that.
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by Draglikepull on Aug 4, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I want to say I’m confident in agreeing with you, but who the fuck knows. STL did 2 points better than us last year, NJD and CLB were on our ass by the end of the season, NYI are improving year by year with zero pressure in 2011-2012, and Florida… added a bunch of warm bodies?
If Connolly explodes and Reimer slumps, we are in the lottery.
If the Leafs don’t ice their best defencemen—or if injury strikes, obviously—all bets are off.
Our third pair looks a lot better on paper but that doesn’t matter if they play Komi instead.
One reason for optimism I didn’t mention is that it’s reasonable to expect every one of our defencemen other than Liles or Komi to be on an upwards trajectory (even while accepting that improvements aren’t linear).
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by The '67 Sound on Aug 4, 2011 8:25 AM EDT up reply actions
I think it’s weird that this season I’m finding myself more worried about defense than our forwards. Sure, Connolly could have no chemistry with Kessel and we’d be screwed, having to put him on the third line and go with Bozak as our 1C (or possibly Lombardi if he’s better). But other than that possibility and the inevitable worry of injuries (especially with a few injury prone guys), having a solid line in MGK and another definite top-six line of Lupul-Connolly-Kessel make me feel like scoring some goals won’t be an issue.
The bottom six doesn’t worry me much either (though the bottom three does – i.e. Orr – but they play like 5-7 minutes a night).
The Komisarek conundrum is annoying, and continues the post-lockout Leafs trend of having one overpaid FA d-man on our third pairing. Birky’s comment below about how Wilson handles which seems to look like a positive in too many NHL dmen hits the nail on the head concerning that.
It’s definitely a positive that all our defenseman other than Liles and Komi are young and on the upswing, but what are the chances they all work out and have great seasons and show improvement?
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I was talking about this on twitter yesterday with Mirtle and a couple others. Our left side is downright terrifying. Gunarsson, Liles, Aulie? Gunnarsson may be able to hold his own against top competition, but opposition forwards are going to just hit that side all day. And it’s not like Phaneuf, Schenn, or Franson are good enough defensively to carry the other side. The silver lining, though is that when you compare Phaneuf, Liles, Gunnarsson, Aulie, Franson, and Schenn to last year’s D of Phaneuf, Beauchemin, Kaberle, Komisarek, Gunnarsson, and Schenn, the age gets much younger, and potential much higher.
It’s going to be sink or swim for Aulie and Schenn next year. Maybe not as a pairing, but at least one of them needs to be able to play against some tough competition next year. We’re extremely reliant on Aulie’s development at this point – either now, or eventually, he needs to be a strong defensive defenseman who plays or projects to play top pairing minutes and tough competition. Because other than him and Schenn, we don’t really have anyone like that in our system (god we have a lot of good looking puck movers, though).
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I have faith in Aulie’s ability to become a reliable shut-down guy but I’m not expecting him to reach that potential until he’s had at least another full season in the NHL. Then again, playing against the best forwards on the planet is the only real way to get there so I can put up with another 82 games of growing pains if it means Aulie becomes a long-term asset for the Leafs blue line.
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I think one full season is overly optimistic. I don’t expect Aulie to be capable of playing tough defensive matchups for another 2-3 seasons.
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by Draglikepull on Aug 4, 2011 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
I like this analysis and your point that we are curretnly really reliant on Aulie. I think one of the reasons Burke backs Komi so much (other than because he’s defending his own signing and trying to help the player’s confidence) is because he knows it’s a hole in our D right now and Komi has at least the potential (or past potential) to help with that. Once/If Aulie and Schenn prove to be proficient and elite shut down Dmen we can let Komi take Finger’s spot on the Marlies (i.e. hopefully next season).
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What we’re feeling right now is the hole that Beauchemin left. He gave us someone to play against tough competition, for high minutes, at a good price. Exactly what we need now, exactly what we need Aulie to become. If we hadn’t gotten such a great return on him, this pain would be a lot worse.
Komi…I don’t know how we get out from Komi. NMC means he won’t be headed to the Marlies any time soon ever. We’ll have to dodge his limited NTC, and find someone willing to take him on. At best, it looks like Lebda’s exit. At worst, it looks like Lebda’s exit from Nashville’s perspective (we give up an asset to do it), but more likely, it looks like Toskala’s exit. Bad contract for bad contract.
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I dont think this will be the case. His cap hit for the reminder of his contract is $4.5M but after this season (after this trade deadline – when I expect him to be tried to move if he does) his cap hit is still $4.5M but you only have to pay him $3-$3.5M for two more years.
Also we have to remember that his should injury was pretty serious and we just (hopefully) started to see more of the real Komi at the end of last season than we have before. I hope he turns it around as it would greatly help the team regardless if we keep or trade him.
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Aug 4, 2011 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Good read man, good read.
Mirtle was talking about a lack of defensive D in Toronto. I never thought of it as such, but I think he has a point. Outside of Schenn and Aulie, who are the pure defensive D-men – for a shutdwn pairing – in Toronto
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by MapleLeafMole on Aug 4, 2011 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions
A shutdown guy is what I can only imagine Komisarek was envisioned as when he was signed. Only problem is he’s failed to play within that role at any valuable level. There are elements of playing that kind of game that may be lost on him forever, but I certainly think there are many areas he could realistically improve in that would keep me from rolling my eyes every time he’s on the ice.
by Self Destructive Zones on Aug 4, 2011 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Samesie’s with Komisarek. It just hasn’t worked out so far
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by MapleLeafMole on Aug 4, 2011 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Komi regaining his form (ha!) or becoming the man Burke thought he would be here would solve a lot of problems
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If Komisarek became a shut-down defender worth $4.5 million a year that would solve a lot of our problems.
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by PKSube on Aug 4, 2011 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I had a conversation along these lines with someone (can’t remember who) a few weeks ago. Basically now with Beauchemin gone and Komi being a sack of ass, we don’t really have a great big shutdown pairing.
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I hope that it’s Schenn and Aulie one day. I don’t see it for next year though.
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by MapleLeafMole on Aug 4, 2011 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions
The problem is that they can probably do it, but they just wont be super effective at it and it could destroy their confidence. If the lineup stays as is (which is more than likely) I could see our “shut down” pairing, and probably PK pairings being Aulie-Phaneuf, Komi-Schenn, or Komi-Phaneuf, Aulie-Schenn (I think the former is more likely).
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Just wait ’till Bower Power gets here, and tells you how you have you LD and RD all mixed up.
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by MapleLeafMole on Aug 4, 2011 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Schen and Phaneuf are both RD, Aulie is a LD, Komi sucks so he will play wherever he’s put or he doesn’t get any minutes.
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I like your thoughts on Komi. But he’s shit enough as is. Making him a fish out of water on the left side, would probably make things worse
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by MapleLeafMole on Aug 4, 2011 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Totally, but if we put him on the right side in any of these roles we’re left with him playing with Aulie, Liles, or Franson. Schenn, Aulie and Phaneuf will probably be our three most relied upon guys in that type of role, so unless Komi learns to play on the wrong side he’s screwed. Here’s hoping Franson starts learning to use his body and play more defensively and can fill that gap.
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I’m still praying for a trade to a team who needs to hit the floor. Asking price of a 4th rounder.
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I was really hoping for the Isles since he’s from there so they probably wouldn’t be on his list, but Snow seems to only want expiring Ks.
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by Self Destructive Zones on Aug 4, 2011 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Right side, left side, Komi can sit wherever he wants in the press box.
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by Bower Power on Aug 4, 2011 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
camp will be interesting, if only to see how Wilson manages the defense. One of Aulie or Komisarek are going to be the odd man out. I wouldn’t be surprised if Matt Lashoff makes a run at a roster spot as well.
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I would say it’s a pretty safe bet that either Aulie or Gunnarson will be the odd man out. However, I would like it very much if it were Komisarek (am I allowed to hope that it will be Komisarek based on Burke bringing in Liles to fill the role of "mentor’ to some of the younger guys?!??).
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Aug 4, 2011 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Do we want him mentoring our young guys though?
by Self Destructive Zones on Aug 4, 2011 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Ah shit i misread that, nevermind
by Self Destructive Zones on Aug 4, 2011 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions
If Gunnarsson is sitting in the press box again this year, Wilson should be fired, especially if it’s for Lashoff. He did nothing but excel on the back half of last year, even while playing over 22 minutes per game. At this point, Gunnar is our most defensively reliable left defenseman.
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Yeah no goddamn way should Gunnar be sitting. I wouldn’t mind at all seeing Lashoff in the lineup, but not for Gunnarson.
by Self Destructive Zones on Aug 4, 2011 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Exactly, I think it will be pretty hard for Aulie to NOT start the season with the Marlies. He is still waiver exempt (correct me if I’m wrong), so it makes more sense to keep Lashoff up as the 7th defenseman and call up Aulie (or Gardiner, depending on who’s injured) when an injury occurs.
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I think Gunnarsson’s play over the past 2 seasons has earned him a spot in the top 6. He’s probably honestly one of our top 4 defenders.
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Yeah exactly, which is why I didn’t mention him as one of the guys who will be on the bubble. Aulie, Lashoff and Komisarek should be the ones fighting it out for that 6th spot.
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One of Aulie or Lashoff starts in the AHL, my money’s on Lashoff. Burke seems to really love Aulie.
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by Draglikepull on Aug 4, 2011 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, this difference is that Aulie is still waiver exempt (i think) and younger, so it’s better to give him minutes with the marlies than have him sit in the press box. Lashoff is subject to waivers so if he’s in the Marlies and doing well he could get claimed when we call him up and then we would be screwed.
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There’s also a good chance an injury will “solve” our surplus issue.
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by The '67 Sound on Aug 4, 2011 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Thank god Carl Gunnarson appears to be a smarter hockey player than the look on his face in the above photo would suggest.
by Self Destructive Zones on Aug 4, 2011 8:32 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
He’s making the same face Elijah Wood does as Frodo every time he gets stabbed or injured.
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That face was a staple in Lord of the Rings movies.
Hear that? That's the sound of leaf fans scuffling to get back on the bandwagon.
We’re taking the hobbits to Isengard
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by Ben Schnell on Aug 4, 2011 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
And in the third movie they added foaming at the mouth, just to step it up a notch.
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Yikes Rick Vaive
Never liked the guy but I feel bad for him after the DUI incident in 09, that was a very direct article by the paper that Cax’s old paper.
I refuse to feel bad for anyone who drives under the influence.
by Five Minutes For Fighting on Aug 4, 2011 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
That’s a bit strong. “Under the influence” can mean “two beers”.
Oh, you better believe that's a paddling.
“Under the influence” means you’re not safe to drive, regardless of the amount it took to get you there.
by Screaming Will on Aug 5, 2011 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions
What if you’re under the influence of loooooove
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by happiergilmore on Aug 5, 2011 12:59 AM EDT up reply actions
We talked about this a few weeks back
I think Komi bounces back. The biggest thing is he has to know what expectations are of him and he needs play his role and not above it. Realistically, he is a 3rd pairing d-man who gets PK time and the Leafs should play him as much.
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It’d be really hard for him to be worse.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Aug 4, 2011 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Leafs trade Komisarek to the Islanders for Tavares with the promise that MLSE will invest in a new arena on Long Island. I think that’s the rumour Eklund’s going with.
by Five Minutes For Fighting on Aug 4, 2011 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions
I know this is most likely a joke, but is there anyway something like that could actually happen? I know you can’t trade players for cash anymore, but could MLSE just “coincidentally” invest in a new arena after making this trade?
could MLSE just "coincidentally" invest in a new arena after making this trade?
I don’t think they would get into the business of flusing millions (or hundreds of millions) down the toilet for a hockey player.
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If their ownership style / direction has taught us anything over the years, it is that the pension folks are all about the money, and don’t care about the on-ice product all that much (unless being horrible started to get in the way of making money).
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by fair_n_hite_451 on Aug 4, 2011 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions
unless being horrible started to get in the way of making money
I think this is the key. The team still sells out every game, but imagine how much more merchandise they would sell if the team started winning, and if some of our players started performing like marketable superstars. The salary cap basically destroys the stupid MSM argument that “The owners don’t care about winning since the fans are sheep”, but I think MLSE understands that winning = mo’ money.
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Pat Quinn said on Off The Record recently that the Leafs made about $2 million in revenue per night when they made the playoffs when he was the GM. I’m going to guess they could make even more now. Don’t fool yourself, MLSE wants that money.
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by Draglikepull on Aug 4, 2011 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah that too. Playoffs plus just all the extra merch they sell to fair-weathered fans means winning = profit!!!!
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Is that 2 million just gate revenue? (20,000ish seats x $100 per seat) Because that leaves out a lot of the merchandise, concessions, TV revenue and other sources of income generated by just one home game. I’m guessing 2 million is the floor for what they would make.
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It’s in the Leafs best interest, due to revenue sharing, that a struggling team such as the Islanders move to a different location where they will not flounder.
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Wait what? It’s in the leafs best interest that team like the Islanders do not make money?
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Aug 4, 2011 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
I didn’t say I could reply better than anyone.
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Aug 4, 2011 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Totally agree. I also really think the more he simplifies his game and has his role properly defined for him, the more likely it is he’ll be able to make subtle adjustments to the way he plays that will increase his value in that role. It seems extremely unlikely he’ll ever be able to do that if he’s constantly in over his head and being asked to do too much, IMO.
by Self Destructive Zones on Aug 4, 2011 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions
and has his role properly defined for him,
TO me this is the most important thing for Komi.
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Would his “role” include providing towels and refreshments on the bench? Then I agree.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Aug 4, 2011 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions
It seems extremely unlikely he’ll ever be able to do that if he’s constantly in over his head and being asked to do too much, IMO.
I think at this point it’s less about him being asked to do too much and more about him personally trying to do too much because he wants to get back to where he was with Montreal in terms of role. He admitted himself that he struggled the first part of his first season in TO due to trying to do to much, and even though he’s aware of it I think he still does it.
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Yeah that’s a good point, its not likely not entirely what he’s being assigned to do, but I think coaching staff still have a responsibility to ensure he’s playing within the parameters of what he’s realistically capable of (ie having his role properly defined for him as Leafer stressed above). It’s also of course possible that coaching staff have tried to do this and he simply hasn’t responded well, in which case I think he needs to spend more time in the press box.
by Self Destructive Zones on Aug 4, 2011 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Most likely it’s a combination of the two, along with the fact that he’s no longer playing with an Andrei Markov and therefore has nobody to cover his mistakes.
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For sure. As you pointed out below, playing with Lebda couldn’t possibly have helped matters any.
by Self Destructive Zones on Aug 4, 2011 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions
For sure. As you pointed out below, playing withLebda suckscouldn’t possibly have helped matters any.
My amendment of your comment is basically the root from which all things Lebda can be traced.
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He was playing like 11 minutes a night last season
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by MapleLeafMole on Aug 4, 2011 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Which is why the proper role for him might very well be manning the press box.
by Self Destructive Zones on Aug 4, 2011 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Very well could be. He’ll be bounce right up into the pressbox
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by MapleLeafMole on Aug 4, 2011 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions
What the hell are Lombardi and Connolly going to do then?
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 4, 2011 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
New guys cover the liquor tab?
by Self Destructive Zones on Aug 4, 2011 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Definitely.
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Letting their brains unscramble?
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by MapleLeafMole on Aug 4, 2011 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
maybe. but we also said the same thing last summer.
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I hope YouTube comes down to film this.
From what I’ve gathered from Mirtle and other MSM sources. Komi is really good in the room. He has taken this whole situation pretty well. He knows that he has struggled. I think that if he can find the right person to play with in the right role he could be more successful. Hopefully Franson and he make a good pair.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Aug 4, 2011 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Mirtle has also said that he thinks Komi needs a change of scenery.
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I hope YouTube comes down to film this.
I think Parise needs a change of scenary.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 4, 2011 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
I think Komi has the physical tools to be a good NHL defender, but he seems to really be lacking in hockey sense.
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by Draglikepull on Aug 4, 2011 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree, his role should be 3rd pairing d-man, who plays on the PK (probably the 2nd unit)
Problem is his salary is way out of line with that role. I think that’s the pink elephant in the room. If the coaching staff and more importantly Komisarek can ignore his pay, and just do his job, he’ll be better off.
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by MapleLeafMole on Aug 4, 2011 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree, his role should be 3rd pairing d-man, who plays on the PK (probably the 2nd unit)
But isn’t this what his assigned “role” was last year? This is why I think his ability to bounce back is more dependant on his own personal ability to focus on the fundamentals and less on the coaching staff to “define” his role.
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This is completely new information. Thank you.
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by leafer1984 on Aug 4, 2011 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Unfortunately that’s about right. If he emerges as an average third pairing guy this season, it’ll be a revelation.
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by James Mirtle on Aug 4, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Here are his Average Time on Ice Splits from last season.
Remember how terrible we were in November?
Yikes.
October 13:48
November 18:43
December 12:17
January 13:13
February 12:22
March 10:36
April 14:33
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Aug 4, 2011 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions
I actually thought he played better near the end of the season last year. It’s possible that it was a bit of “Reimeer coloured glasses” making everyone look better … but I thought Komi wasn’t as awful as he was being pilloried for early in the season.
That being said, he’s starting over this year, and there are definitely questions on the blueline that will need to be answered.
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by fair_n_hite_451 on Aug 4, 2011 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions
It was…and he didn’t do well. I don’t know if his role and expectations can be anymore defined than how the coaches used him for most of last season.
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by MapleLeafMole on Aug 4, 2011 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Which is why it’s on Komi to understand his role and start focusing on excelling in it rather than trying to be better than it and failing. It’s like if my Dad one day decided to start playing Xbox and threw in Halo 1 on Legendary, he would suck and hate it and never get better.
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more importantly Komisarek
The onus is on him at this point. He’s probably fighting for the 6th D-spot on the roster.
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by MapleLeafMole on Aug 4, 2011 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions
The onus is on him at this point
Yep, we’re pretty much just arguing about who agrees more with this statement at this point.
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Well define what you mean by “agree”.
But I agree to that.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 4, 2011 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions
I love you more
No I love you more
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by MapleLeafMole on Aug 4, 2011 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
You hang up.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 4, 2011 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions
………………………..
You didn’t hang up!
Well you didn’t hang up either!
I love you!
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by SkinnyFish on Aug 4, 2011 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sounds like you’re just mad that he’s winning.
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Skinny is totally winning the relationship.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 4, 2011 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Just remember, POTP
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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Panties over the pants.
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I mis-read that as “Quarian” and I thought you were implying he had some sort of face-shield fetish.
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by Draglikepull on Aug 4, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Women like badasses
"Right side, left side, Komi can sit wherever he wants in the press box."
-Bower Power
by MapleLeafMole on Aug 4, 2011 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe a generalization
"Right side, left side, Komi can sit wherever he wants in the press box."
-Bower Power
by MapleLeafMole on Aug 4, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Am i the only one that really wishes i could take the phone of whoever does that and throw it in a lake?
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To make up for lost time, the Sabres signed six seasons worth of front-loaded cap skirting contracts in one week.
It’s the classic “you have to be in love to get it” thing that makes everyone around those 2 people sick
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 4, 2011 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
When we do it it’s adorable.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Aug 4, 2011 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
We’ll hang up on the count of three: one… two… three… you didn’t hang up! hello? you did? what a jerk!
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This whole thread is funny
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by MapleLeafMole on Aug 4, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
If the coaching staff and more importantly Komisarek can ignore his pay
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by MapleLeafMole on Aug 4, 2011 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions
I think Komi bounces back.
I completely agree but it all comes down to “how much” he bounces back. I don’t think we’ll get what Burke envisioned him being when he first signed him, but he can’t be as bad as he was last season for the rest of his contract…. can he?
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So long as he goes from “liability” to “overpaid 3rd pairing defenseman” I’ll be happy.
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I’ll be happy when we turn Komi into ____ the way we turned Lebda into Franson
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I'll do a fill in the blanks on this one:
I’ll be happy when we turn Komi into no Komi the way we turned Lebda into Franson no Lebda.
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I’ll be happy when Komi is no longer an irritating cap hit while taking ice time away from younger, better, cheaper and more talented young players who actually have a future on this team.
Let the Wookie win.
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I was happy to hear the news when they signed him a few years back but now I’m just running out the clock until….. (checks capgeek)…. 2014?? God dammit.
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I wasn’t really excited with the signing, but I didn’t expect him to suck so much, I just thought it was a slight overpayment and didn’t like his dirty Habs smell. I loved the Beachemin signing though so that took my mind off of it.
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Realistically, he is a 3rd pairing d-man who gets PK time and the Leafs should
playpay him as much.
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by Bower Power on Aug 4, 2011 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He’s heating up…
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by MapleLeafMole on Aug 4, 2011 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Can’t really disagree. Except that the sens locals should be like 0.5 stars, not 3. That’s equivalating them to Joe B. for the Leafs. Gagh… I think the Wild announcers have to be some of the worst in the League also!
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Aug 4, 2011 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
CC
but my coworker just sent me this article about how Earth used to have two moons
http://www.nature.com/news/2011/110803/full/news.2011.456.html
CC
http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2011/8/4/2343774/chatty-cathy-august-4th-2011
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by Bowling_Guy25 on Aug 4, 2011 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions
You murderers! You blew it up! Damn you! Damn you straight to hell! /sobs uncontrollably)
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Eh the movie or the planet?
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Aug 4, 2011 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions
That’s no moon. It’s a space station.
by Self Destructive Zones on Aug 4, 2011 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Just read that… and coincidentally I just watched a show on DC that explained how the moon was formed when a planet smashed into earth but it didn’t mention anything about a smaller “sister moon”. Space is cool… but I just had to go and do my degree in history. Sigh.
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Dave Poulin took some time to talk shop with MLHS last week. Similar to the Dudley interview the other day, we’ve posted a few excerpts. Check it out, if so inclined. Ciao.
http://mapleleafshotstove.com/2011/08/04/dave-poulin-chats-with-mlhs/
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Before I read it, I just want you to know that I’ll be pissed if there’s no question regarding why in the holy hell he recommended the Leafs sign Lebda.
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If you don't want your mind blown, don't read past this line. You've been warned.
Poulin recommended Lebda largely because of his history with him (Lebda played for him at Notre Dame).
On a completely unrelated note, Poulin played a large role in the Leafs landing JM Liles, largely because of his history with him (Liles played against his Notre Dame teams).
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by GarrettBauman on Aug 4, 2011 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
DP: I’m expecting a big year from Jonas. He’s been here all summer and has worked out a different level than he ever has in his life. Physically he’s stronger, physically he’s better and that will contribute to a mental strength. Sometimes it takes a couple of years, sometimes a player has to put a couple of summers together to become successful at this level. And Jonas could certainly fall into that category.
This is probably the least optimistic review of a team’s own goaltender I’ve ever read.
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I think it’s optimistic of you to be calling him a goaltender.
/shittingonJonas
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 4, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
It’s like saying “eh. Maybe it’ll work out for him.”
Also, maybe I’m tilting at windmills, but they’re being so damn secretive about what he’s doing on the ice. The guy hasn’t played an NHL game since the middle of January, and all you want to say about his development is that he worked out a bunch?
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Yeah, this really concerns me. I’m hoping it’s an Osgood-style complete redevelopment.
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by Draglikepull on Aug 4, 2011 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
No way, all roads lead to the HHOF!
by Self Destructive Zones on Aug 4, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
I’d settle for Average goalie from Gustavsson for sure.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 4, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes, absolutely. We got him for nothing, we only need him in a backup role if Reimer’s a legit number one, and if he’s an average goalie, it’s a pretty substantial upgrade on his first two years.
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The strange thing is that they obviously do still think he has value, and they think other teams believe he has value, because they weren’t willing to risk exposing him to waivers last year even though it seemed like more AHL time would be good for his development.
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by Draglikepull on Aug 4, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
I dunno that more AHL time would’ve been good for his development. On his conditioning stint, he pretty much dominated. .955, 1.14? Not much more for you to learn at that point.
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Better for his development than sitting in the pressbox.
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by Draglikepull on Aug 4, 2011 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Definitely. Regular playing time, somewhere, benefits his conditioning if nothing else.
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by T is for Truculence on Aug 4, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I avoided going that direction with the interview for the sake of landing future interviews. I feel like such a sell-out.
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The entire interview should have been
So………….Brett Lebda…………what the fuck Dave?
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by SkinnyFish on Aug 4, 2011 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
You are. And we’re all pretty pissed about it.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 4, 2011 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
But hey, all’s well that ends well, right? right?!
by Self Destructive Zones on Aug 4, 2011 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
To be honest
The focus of the piece was really more on the direction of team, and players/prospects coming in as opposed to those departing. So to approach that topic really didn’t fit the framework of the interview to begin with. In the larger piece, we focus more on Franson and Lombardi … which should, frankly, be far more important to the fans than worrying about what went wrong with a guy who’s no longer here.
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by GarrettBauman on Aug 4, 2011 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
It's all a matter of phrasing
“In the future, do you plan to acquire more fuckups like Lebda?”
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Haha
OR:
“What made you pick up Lebda? Don’t fucking do that again.”
“…. wait, was that a question?”
“No. Don’t fucking do it again.”
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 4, 2011 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
We got Franson and Lombardi in return, I’d be okay with that happening again.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Aug 4, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
There have to be better ways than that.
I wouldn’t give Lebda too much credit, we probably could have sent Lashoff in the same deal. It was all about dumping salary on us.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 4, 2011 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
All it took was a team who can’t afford to pay much past the floor and had a superstar up for re-signing, followed by two other stars next year. It’s so easy, I dunno why we all didn’t see it coming!
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We could’ve gotten them anyways, subsititute player X for Lebda in the same trade.
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You all need to just ease up a little.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Aug 4, 2011 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions
I just hate Lebda. I still hate him even though he’s gone, he just pissed me off too many times when I had had a few too many beers.
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Lebda sounds like my ex girlfriend
by Self Destructive Zones on Aug 4, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
I enjoyed todays feature artcile by ’67 Sound and the one about forwards which preceeded (sp?) it.
In particular this line from the article on forwards was great:
Goaltending can move a team several places above or below the talent level of its skaters, but those skaters still set the baseline.
"Right side, left side, Komi can sit wherever he wants in the press box."
-Bower Power
They are pretty interesting articles, the stats are pretty much gobbledy goop to me but I like the analysis of the stats that goes along with them. That line is pretty awesome and works in a pretty general sense, seems like the kind of thing you want to make like 50 analogies for and then argue over which is best.
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I like the analysis of the stats that goes along with them.
me too.
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by MapleLeafMole on Aug 4, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks. It’s hard to write a piece using advanced stats without some kind of primer attached to it—you can spend the whole piece just explaining the concepts. I tried to provide links that give more background but fairly quickly just move from the numbers to the analysis of what they mean. If you know what the numbers mean you can dive into them, if you don’t just skip them. If you want to get from Camp A to Camp B, the links are there.
Welcome any feedback on what would be more effective.
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by The '67 Sound on Aug 4, 2011 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah I was just skipping them, but a convo that I think is below here kind of helped me with it. I work really well when I think of things logically and work from the reasoning for it backwards. As soon as I kind of got what the point of the numbers are and why Fenwick is different than Corsi it clicked.
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Well I guess I can’t afford to get my James Reimer body pillow signed :(
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by Self Destructive Zones on Aug 4, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
They had one for Tavares last week and the prices were the exact same. I believe they’re set by Frameworth.
The canvas print is worth probably $40 on its own so that’s the best way to go. It’s going to be a madhouse there, though, for Reimer.
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by James Mirtle on Aug 4, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
You mean REIMER REIMER REIMER
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by T is for Truculence on Aug 4, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Ya the canvas does seem the most affordable one, but I wonder how many Reimer jerseys will be there wanting signatures.
I’m hesitent to buy one just in case I end up being a curse (as I glare at my Bozak 42….)
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 4, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
/highfive
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 4, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Me too!! /highfive!! I just returned home from taking my Versteeg and Hagman jerseys to a jersey shop. I’m getting them changed to Gilmour and Schenn. Love!! I can’t wait to get them back. They are going to be SO BEAUTIFUL!!
A place in Cobourg. Sommerville Sports Outfitters, or something close to that. They sell hockey gear mainly, but they own a jersey printing place in T.O. In two weeks or less I will have some very beautiful jerseys! I just hope the glue from Versteeg doesn’t ruin the Gilmour jersey. The Schenn one shouldn’t be too much of a problem.
Sommerville’s sporting goods!!! I live in Cobourg and go there for the vast majority of my hockey stuff. They made a sweet Schenn jersey for me last year.
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Haha. Awesome. So now I know they’ll do a good job! I can’t get the Schenn one done anymore. The name and numbers are silk-printed and won’t come off without me destroying the jersey. I’m going to see if I can rip off ‘Hagman’ and get them to replace just the name. I was looking through past Leafs’ rosters to see who else wore #9. I couldn’t find any I wanted, but my cousin (Rick Dudley) used to wear #9 so I think I’ll just get Dudley on it, since it’s my last name too. And it’s cool that it’s his number and he now works for the Leafs. Good enough for me. So, Gilmour and Dudley. I like. Not as awesome as Schenn, but that’s fine.
I really hope COlborne becomes a star for the Leafs…
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To be fair, Tavares’ signatures are being used to fund 50% of the salaries of the rest of his team.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 4, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Which is nice, because right before a guy has to live up to unsustainable play, I like to make sure that the public is reeeeaaalllyyy psyched about him.
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by Draglikepull on Aug 4, 2011 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Go here, read this
http://theleafsnation.com/2011/8/4/keith-aulie-first-call-up-vs-second-call-up
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the trade that sent the Leafs both Phaneuf and Aulie for a bag of pucks with Matt Stajan hidden inside.
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by Self Destructive Zones on Aug 4, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Fixed.
the trade that sent the Leafs both Phaneuf and Aulie for a bag of pucks withMatt StajanIan White hidden inside.
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by GarrettBauman on Aug 4, 2011 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Fixed.
the trade that sent the Leafs both Phaneuf and Aulie for a bag of pucks withMatt Stajan Ian WhiteAnton Babchuk hidden inside.
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by Bower Power on Aug 4, 2011 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I think “Matt Stajan” inside remains more appropriate if you understand the joke
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Aug 4, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Aulie appeared to be much better in the second callup to the naked eye, but it’s cool to see the numbers back that up also. Good article.
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by GarrettBauman on Aug 4, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree. And I really like the use of Fenwick as opposed to Corsi for defensive defensemen.
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Same here. Far more useful, in this context.
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by GarrettBauman on Aug 4, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m not clear that he actually looks significantly better in the second call-up. His Fenwick events against actually went up, though we can perhaps write that off as a function of his quality of competition increasing. The real incrase is because he just happenned to be on the ice for a larger number of Fenwick events for in the second go around. I think that’s largely a result of team-mates rather than skill, though; Aulie was never a driver of offence while he was on the ice, as evidenced by the fact that he didn’t gain a single assist all year despite playing in roughly half the Leafs’ games.
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by Draglikepull on Aug 4, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
The Leafs were also badly out shot once Beauchemin was traded/Reimer came in, so that could account for the uptick in events against. I’d bet all the Leafs defensemen saw an increase there.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 4, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Presumably a big part of the reason that shots against went up is because Aulie replaced Beauchemin, which means that Aulie is responsible for that. I don’t think it’s a strange accident that Aulie had one of the worst Corsi On numbers on the team.
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by Draglikepull on Aug 4, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ve tried to use that timeonice site, but I just can’t figure out how the scripts work. Does anyone know if there’s a guide or post about how to use it somewhere?
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by Draglikepull on Aug 4, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, sort of. Say you wanted to look at the March 11th game between Philly and Toronto. You go to NHL.com and grab the game number, which is basically the last 5 digits in the URL of the boxscore:
http://www.nhl.com/ice/boxscore.htm?id=2010020959
20959 would be the NHL game number.
Go to time on ice and enter it in to get this:
http://timeonice.com/default.html?GameNumber=20959&submit=Go
which is the shift chart for the game.
for other stats, such as raw corsi/fenwick, faceoffs, or head to head time on ice, you go to these three pages, and just change the game # as needed:
fenwick: http://timeonice.com/shots1011.php?gamenumber=20959
F/O: http://www.timeonice.com/faceoffs1011.php?gamenumber=20959
H2H: http://www.timeonice.com/H2H1011.html?GameNumber=20959&submit=Go
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Basically I was trying to put together a WOWY for the MGK line but I couldn’t get it working to give a range of games with results for specific players on/off the ice.
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by Draglikepull on Aug 4, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I know little about scripts, I just know that it took me a while just to figure out how to navigate around time on ice.
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Kent Wilson told me the site may be down for running advanced scripts like that. I couldn’t get them to work either.
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by The '67 Sound on Aug 4, 2011 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I like the pointing out that his second call up was playing mostly with Phaneuf, whereas the first time he played a lot with Lebda. Would be interesting to see a game by game breakdown for Lebda and the Fenwick or Corsi numbers for whoever played the most time with him in each.
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Interestingly, looking back at the original adjusted fenwick article, Komisarek had the best adjusted fenwick number amongst Leaf defenders. Wait what?
by Self Destructive Zones on Aug 4, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Komisarek blocks a lot of shots, so when you factor those out (which Fenwick does) his numbers improve.
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by Draglikepull on Aug 4, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Why does Fenwick factor blocked shots out?
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so it won’t negatively impact the player.
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This is why I don’t get advanced stats, and I’m not trying to start a “seen him good” thing, but for a defenceman like Aulie, blocked shots are a good thing to measure for him.
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I think that’s why a lot of times people look at both Corsi and Fenwick, huge disparity between those two figures and you know that block shots are accounting for them.
How you interpret that figure (good thing, bad thing, type of player) is up to the person reading the data.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 4, 2011 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
that’s the point. A blocked shot by Aulie would be considered a negativeevent under Corsi. Meaning it would lower his Corsi rating. Fenwick doesn’t count blocked shots, basically, it considers them something different entirely.
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for example:
Aulie has 1 shot on net and also missed one shot in a game. In the defensive zone, there are 2 shots on net and 1 missed shot. His Fenwick is +2 forced, -3 against, or -1 total.
Lets say he also blocked 5 shots. His fenwick would remain the same, but his Corsi would be a -6.
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What is the advantage of Corsi then over Fenwick. I can’t see how counting blocked shots makes sense because taking a shot that is blocked is bad because you’re dumb for shooting it, and blocking a shot is good because you’re defensively planning it and forcing that shot.
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well, as a forward or offensive defenseman, having a shot blocked meant you had possession of the puck to begin with.
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and as well all know, Corsi is designed to show puck possession.
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That makes sense I guess, I see the usefulness but at first glance Fenwick just makes more sense to me because I feel like forcing a player to take a shot that will be blocked is a good thing and taking a shot that will be blocked is a bad thing. The possession thing makes sense, I was actually wondering why these stats are always referred to as possession stats even though they measure shots.
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If someone publicly tracked puck possession as a stat we wouldn’t need corsi.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 4, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Corsi and Fenwick have both been shown to correlate very highly with scoring chances, and I think scoring chances are a very valuable stat. So even though they’re meant to measure possession, they seem to provide a good indication of other things as well.
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by Draglikepull on Aug 4, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Corsi and Fenwick have both been shown to correlate very highly with scoring chances,
Completely disagree. Just because a guy shoots say 8 shots on net that has nothing to do with actual “scoring chances”
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No, I mean Oilers bloggers have taken scoring chance data and compared it to Corsi data and found that the correlation is very strong.
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by Draglikepull on Aug 4, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Corsi is often used as a measure of possession
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 4, 2011 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t know a lot about these advanced stats. Is it basically so that the number isn’t affected by blocked shots since a blocked shot shouldn’t be counted as a negative against a player as it’s not really a “failure” in the same way a shot on net or missed shot is?
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Just read it, totally answered my question, thanks. So basically these numbers are just logic disguised as math.
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by Self Destructive Zones on Aug 4, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Blocked shots can be a bad thing too, though. If you are getting beat all over the ice and pummeled in your own zone, just hanging on for dear life, then you will get more blocked shots (cough Habs cough). As with anything, you need context.
Exactly. Plus blocked shots are very “sticky” event. People remember them and the hindsight bias amplifies their importance and ignores all the scrambling that preceded the blocked shot.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Aug 4, 2011 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Tim Brent probably appreciates the hindsight bias in this context.
by Self Destructive Zones on Aug 4, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
It got him a job in Carolina.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Aug 4, 2011 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
$1.4M from essentially one shift.
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And his 2 goal game where one was pretty awesome (was that the same game)?
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Nope. 2 goal game was a road game IIRC.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Aug 4, 2011 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
A road game in Carolina pretty sure
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Washington?
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by MapleLeafMole on Aug 4, 2011 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
http://www.hockey-reference.com/boxscores/201101240CAR.html
Phaneuf gave him a beauty of a stretch pass for the shorty
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Sweeeet, now I remember.
Also, Mike Brown draws the secondary assist
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by MapleLeafMole on Aug 4, 2011 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Just thought about this
Which goalie goes first in a non-keeper fantasy draft this year? I feel like if I could have anyone it’s Vokoun.
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Who does? Thomas. I probably wouldn’t, just because there’s so much risk with his age, but if you win two vezinas in three years, someone probably reaches to take you.
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Lots of good options
Bryzgalov, Rinne, Vokoun, Thomas, Luongo, Miller all have good cases.
After that you could say Lundqvist, Hiller (if you want to gamble on his vertigo being better), Crawford, Kipper…. there’s quite a few good goalies out there right now.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 4, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah that’s why I think it’s interesting. I feel like for the last few years it’s been a lot more clear who the top guys will be. The league I play in at school rewards goaltending pretty heavily so I don’t want to be stick with shit like I was last year.
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I’d put lundqvist well into that first group. Before Luongo and Miller, probably. It’s funny how methodical Luongo seems to follow an up year, down year, up year, down year schedule.
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I like to rag on Luongo but I'd pick him up in fantasy anyday
Very good regular season sv% #s, gets lots of starts, lots of wins.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 4, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I hate picking players, but especially goalies from teams I hate. I’m not going to NOT pick a Sedin if he’s the best guy available, but I don’t think I’d pick Luongo because I’d never want to have to hope for a VAN win or a shutout. I also follow a strict no Habs or Sens rule (they all suck for fantasy anyways with the exception of Price).
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I'm very okay picking up people I hate in fantasy.
Emotional hedging.
I picked up Carkner last year for PIMs.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 4, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m the total opposite, I don’t mind picking guys up from teams I dislike for rivalry reasons (Miller, Chara were both on my team last year) but I won’t pick up guys who play on teams I emotionally despise. Vancouver I probably hate enough not to get Luongo, but wouldn’t be against a player from.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 4, 2011 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I wish I could do that, but I think of it as basically a way to make cheering more fun and let me care about non-Leaf games more. I will watch a game and hope a team wins if my Fantasy goalie is playing for them, but would never do that for a team I hate. Last year I came 2nd last in my pool and lost $50 because of it, but I felt it was money well spent for the enjoyment I got.
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I had a Luongo/Thomas combo in net in a H2H league last year, and I killed the goaltending stats almost every week.
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by Draglikepull on Aug 4, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah mine was H2H…. Thomas wasn’t even drafted but was picked up about 4 days into the season. Selanne wasn’t drafted either.
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I initially drafted Rask, then dropped him for Thomas once it became apparent that Rask wasn’t going to be the starter.
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The guy who picked up Thomas in my league had Rask also, he held on to him for most of the season too as I guess he was worried about Thomas injuries.
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I drafted Thomas in the 14th round as what I assumed to be the best back up goalie in the league. Paired him with Luongo and didn’t look back.
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I had Miller and Giguere but then traded Miller in a deal where I was getting Carter and Seabrook back. Ended up finishing the year with Bobrovsky/Boucher tandem. The final tandem was good but I went about 5 weeks in the middle losing all goalie cats every week.
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I somehow managed to have Luongo, Quick and Thomas -I did quite well on goalie stats.
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Aug 4, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions
My team sucked ass pretty much all around, I didn’t do any real research before the draft and was half drunk by the 3rd round, kind of screwed me for the season because the league was so limited in moves (10 for the year).
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I’ve got a hockey related question for you guys:
Fall/winter sports registration is coming up for Ottawa soon. I’m thinking about signing up to play rec hockey. Here’s the thing – I’ve never played competitive organised hockey in my life. I’ve played pond hockey and I’ve played ice hockey in gym class in high school (plus tons of floor and road hockey), but I’ve never played in a league of any sort. My skating is passable, but not particularly good. How much difficulty would I have keeping up if I signed up for the lowest tier of competition?
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I would assume you’d have no problem keeping up. In most of the rec leagues I’ve played in, the bottom tier was always the “beginner’s” tier made up mostly of hockey dads whose kids played and wanted to play too. If you’re really worried about it, most places have a ‘hockey clinic’ for adults where you can go to learn the game better or at the least get evaluated by one of the league officials who can put you in an appropriate tier.
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Cool, thanks. I’m fine with most hockey-related skills like shooting, stick-handling, etc., and I’m reasonably athletic, my skating’s just not great and I wasn’t sure what the general skill level is like in those kinds of leagues.
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by Draglikepull on Aug 4, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m in Ottawa too and have also never played competitive hockey. I could probably barely tell you about the pads they wear….I played road hockey as a kid quite a bit, on rollerblades, etc. so I can stick handle – I’m not totally useless, but I’ve always considered playing. If you find out any info about leagues in Ottawa that seem to meet that skill level, I’d love to know…
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None.
I live in the Ottawa area. The Lowest level of competion is probably a good start for a beginner
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by MapleLeafMole on Aug 4, 2011 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ve never played competitive organised hockey in my life
Bottom tier hockey isn’t really competitive. It’s people who get out for the exercise, the fun, and love of the game. You shouldn’t have any trouble starting out there.
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Get on the spares list at www.ottawatravellers.ca, bottom division definitely has players that can’t even skate.
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by Johnny Toronto (in Ottawa) on Aug 4, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
What sort of crazy hack and slash league is that? Look at all of these suspensions.
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The fact that their main page has a section dedicated to high PIM getters does not fill me with confidence that the league is of a high quality.
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I like how they list “fines due” as well
by Self Destructive Zones on Aug 4, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Where are you from?
Iron League.
The lron League, huh? A lot of fights?
Nah.
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by Self Destructive Zones on Aug 4, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
what the fuck
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game sheet – Holding, misconduct, game misconduct, gross misconduct. In the same game, someone on the opposing team is given a misconduct for a cross check to the head.
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Game sheet for that first line’s indefinite suspension: here.
7 for fighting, 7 for fighting, 10 for game misconduct, 10 for game misconduct, 10 for gross misconduct, all on #93, Jesse Pullfer. What the hell did he do?
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I hear he tried to take his skate off and stab a guy. Was the third player to attempt to do so that season.
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He’s Jesse FUCKING Pullfer. What did you expect him to do?
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Picked up a PP assist in that game too. Real versatile.
by Self Destructive Zones on Aug 4, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
A lot of try-hards in Ottawa.
Didn’t make the show, think they might still have a chance, take the game way too seriously.
Much more than when I played in Oakville
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by MapleLeafMole on Aug 4, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
There are try-hards, and there are thugs on ice. Fucking cross checking to the head in a division 7 game!
nice sig, by the way.
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At first, I thought it was Matt Carkner. Then I realized the guy actually fought.
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Unreal.
(Yeah it made me laugh, it’s applicable to the upcoming season, and I wanted to change my sig to something mre relevant)
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by MapleLeafMole on Aug 4, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
76 suspensions just in the summer league this year. Incredibly, only 1 player received more than one suspension, meaning 75 people were suspended at some point this summer. Crazy.
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I wonder if that’s a league for all the people who’ve been kicked out of the city organised leagues.
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It could also be a very strict league in terms of suspensions. Like evrything is a suspendable offence
I have reviewed the details, so I could be brutally wrong here
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by MapleLeafMole on Aug 4, 2011 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Williams Landscaping seems to be the team to get on. 3 of the 4 top goal scorers and the 2nd best goalies. Cheaters.
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by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Aug 4, 2011 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
ugh, I don’t think they spell it with a comma though.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Aug 4, 2011 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m in the same boat in metro-detroit. I currently play in the lowest tier (for our particular night of the week). I was even able to play in the next higher tier but it gets harder there and you have to be pretty crisp with your skating. Problem is during the summer when all the college kids come home and they decide to have a little fun in the “D league”. This is where you guys guys that used to play AAA and Juniors that need an ego boost at the expense of others.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Aug 4, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
This is where you guys guys that used to play AAA and Juniors that need an ego boost at the expense of others.
this is why the hockey gods gave you a stick
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by Tickle Me Aulie on Aug 4, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Or, their buddies think it’s fun to bring them out to win a game. Most often that, I find.
"You said you didn't give a f#%k about hockey. And I never saw someone say that before..."
Yeah, I play on a team with a bunch of guys that went to highschool with nate gerbe and they joke about bringing him for a game for fun during the summer when he comes back to visit.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Aug 4, 2011 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions
You see the price of sticks these days?!?!? I’m not risking a perfectly good stick on a used-to-be’s knees…
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Aug 4, 2011 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Its called canadian tire. Switch to a cheap wooden one when its chopping time :)
by Tickle Me Aulie on Aug 4, 2011 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
thats what i used to do. Called it my dont-fuck-with-me stick.
by Tickle Me Aulie on Aug 4, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
There is a guy on my team who doesn’t wear shoulder pads when he plays. Instead he brings them to the bench and only puts them on when “things need to get rough”. When he puts them on, somebody getting hurt.
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People in low-level rec leagues shouldn’t have 200$ composite sticks.. that just seems elitist to me.
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Actually, minde too. But the stick was a gift and i’ve been using it for a few years already (so it’s nice and broken in ;))
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Aug 4, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I can’t shoot worth a damn with a wood stick, the composite one helps me out, would never spend 200 on one though, I stick with the cheap ones.
I always buy my “new” sticks in the summer when the newest model comes out. I buy the previous year on heavy discount.
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Yeah I’m the same, I will spend $100 on a stick and that’s it. The most I spent ever was about $170 but that’s when I was still a teenager playing rep and I got a good discount.
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I’m just know that when I drop big coin on a stick, it’s going to break right away in a freak accident.
"You said you didn't give a f#%k about hockey. And I never saw someone say that before..."
Yeah, the good stick I had broke when I took a perfectly normal shot during warm up.
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Mine lasted for two. I’m usually pretty lucky with sticks not breaking.
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That was never why with me, my shot was one of my best assets, just didn’t break sticks.
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Don’t be. I hate playing now because I hate how I’m not as good. Like I know I am better at everything than what happens when I’m on the ice. That’s what happens when you take like 3 years from playing; I’m still pretty good for the intramural league I was playing in (and will play in again this year), but my shot, skating, passes, everything just isn’t as good/crisp/easy as it used to be.
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I’m the opposite, only played 2 years of atom in organized hockey, then started playing pickup at age 20, so 4 years ago, still on the upswing so I keep getting better, it’s nice.
That must be nice. I was never like really good, played since I was 5 and played house league, and some A and AA, and played in pretty competitive summer leagues. Then I went to undergrad in Ottawa and played intramurals the first year and was still good, but that was the last time I played organized hockey until last fall (3 years off).
Don’t have the stamina or flexibility or hands I used to. My shot also isn’t as good and my legs just won’t do the speed. I admit I wasn’t in the best shape, so hopefully I’ll be better this fall as I’ve taken care of that a good bit.
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Sames. I can’t stretch the way I used to (play nets)
I gets a bit down, letting in goals I know I used to be able to stop.
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by MapleLeafMole on Aug 4, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
This is where you guys guys that used to play AAA and Juniors that need an ego boost at the expense of others.
That’s fuckin brutal. Anyone who plays at a lower level for an ego boost, can blow me.
Now if you’re playing at a lower level, so you can be on a team with all your non-hockey playing friends, and are a good sport about it (as in fair ice time) I can understand
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by MapleLeafMole on Aug 4, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
We get guys like that from time to time. Once a team brought in a guy who had a professional tryout with the Rangers. He tried all this fancy shit and nobody could take the puck from him, so we then switched to the tried and true method of “royally fucking him up” whenever he touched the puck. He never played another game.
Had another game where this guy would turn his stick up, put the nose on the puck and then spin around people. He stopped doing that when he tried to split me and my d-partner who hit him low spinning the back of his head into my waiting elbow which sent his helmet flying. I’m there to play hockey and have fun, not to have some jackass make me look stupid.
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Had a spare come out this year to one game, who was a 4th line tweener/fighter in the AHL for a season (he’s subsequently went back to Uni, and gave up on pro hockey).
He scored 4 goals, set up a bunch and we won 9-0. He didn’t forecheck, try and retrieve a puck or pull of anything fancy really. Kinda knew his place, still couldn’t be stopped.
Hasn’t spared again since, don’t think he enjoyed the competition level.
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by MapleLeafMole on Aug 4, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
dude
i have this exact same question
I’m in ottawa and I’ve never played competitive hockey except for floor hockey, and I really want to join a rec league.
My skating is likely my weakest aspect but I think I can get by..
do you want to tell me where you plan on playing? I’d love to join in..
There are city-organised leagues. Registration isn’t open until next week, but most of the info you need is here:
http://www.ottawa.ca/rec_culture/class_activity/courses_available/rec_guide_en.html
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My best guess is League Rec Men, but I’ll need to wait until the full descriptions go up to know for sure. The prices listed in the guide are for full teams, but I’m reasonably sure they allow individual registrations as well.
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Ha ha, back in the day we’d stick to renting out Queensmount, Don Maclern, or even the Aud (ya, you KW native’s know what I’m talking about).
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Aug 4, 2011 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
If I remember correctly (this was a really long time ago, like 2002) it was about the same price ($120/hr I think) as the other rinks (doesn’t the city have like a standard hourly rate for all rinks?). I believe we played in the practice rink thought, not the main one.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Aug 4, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I just had an epiphany. I wonder if IncarceratedBob and FLYERROB are the same person. I mean… look at his tweets.
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thin skin for someone who spends half his time tearing into other people
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 4, 2011 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s cuz you are a #Hater. #IBN changin’ the MSM game for ever!
by 9 Dollar Beer on Aug 4, 2011 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Any T.O. ladies interested in playing basketball?
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oh fuck yeah
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by MapleLeafMole on Aug 4, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I dunno, got to think any self-respecting girl with any ability will stay as far away from there as possible.
"You said you didn't give a f#%k about hockey. And I never saw someone say that before..."
Sorry my pig headed macho side just won the logic battle there for a second
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by MapleLeafMole on Aug 4, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
My name is Amber, I’ve got hepatitis B, a mad case of bed bugs, I can dunk from the foul line… and I’m rockin’ ONE leg.
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THAT I would pay to watch.
"You said you didn't give a f#%k about hockey. And I never saw someone say that before..."
Make it Hepatitis C and I’ll think about it
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by happiergilmore on Aug 4, 2011 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Like em stupid, eh?
"You said you didn't give a f#%k about hockey. And I never saw someone say that before..."
I like them all of these ways.
/notactually
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by happiergilmore on Aug 4, 2011 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Don’t call me when you wake up itching in a urine-soaked bed.
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If I had your number, I’d have called you this morning.
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by happiergilmore on Aug 4, 2011 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Well I wasn’t itchy.. But I did pee myself
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by happiergilmore on Aug 4, 2011 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
You’re welcome…?
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by happiergilmore on Aug 4, 2011 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
And people wonder why there are hardly any girls here anymore.
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For the record, I did not pee myself last night.
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by happiergilmore on Aug 4, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
And don’t you dare “Not Sure If Serious” me.
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by happiergilmore on Aug 4, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I think we already established that… you peed yourself this morning.
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I didn’t do that either.
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by happiergilmore on Aug 4, 2011 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Too late, the story’s already got legs. You have to get in front of these things.
"You said you didn't give a f#%k about hockey. And I never saw someone say that before..."
What if Al Qaeda takes responsibility…
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by happiergilmore on Aug 4, 2011 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
They’re good at doing that
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by happiergilmore on Aug 4, 2011 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
So you’re saying Al Qaeda lives in your pants? I’d be careful saying that because seal team 6 might end up in your bed tomorrow morning.
by Tickle Me Aulie on Aug 4, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d TwitPic that in an instant
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by happiergilmore on Aug 4, 2011 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought that’s what you got by getting a bjer from a girl in braces?
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by happiergilmore on Aug 4, 2011 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Will there be more PPPPhantasyPucks this year?
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**Puck not pucks.
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by happiergilmore on Aug 4, 2011 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Speaking of which.
Where’s my book!??!
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Chuck Klosterman wrote a piece about the “unreality of the football Hall of Fame” over at Grantland. It’s interesting if obviously not explicitly hockey related. But he mentioned something that’s relevant to the Hockey Hall of Fame and the debates surround inductions. Speaking specifically about the snub of Roger Maris:
For Maris, it’s almost a no-win situation: He’s either the greatest non-elite player of his era, or he’s the worst elite player of all time. Technically, those are both massive compliments. But they’re the kind of compliments that make a dead man feel worse.
Pretty much sums up Chris Osgood’s HOF fate.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Aug 4, 2011 1:43 PM EDT reply actions
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Aug 4, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
But Osgoode wasn’t the greatest non-elite player nor the worst elite player. He’s actually just a good hockey player. That’s about it
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by happiergilmore on Aug 4, 2011 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh I know, just that for guys like him sometimes being snubbed by the Hall is better for their legacy than being inducted.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Aug 4, 2011 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
He’s either: The guy everyone talks about when they talk about omissions
Or: The guy everyone talks about when they talk about who doesn’t belong.
If that’s the case I hope they induct him.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Aug 4, 2011 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes and no… Being in the Hall of Fame > not being in the Hall of Fame. It’d just be stupid more than anything for Osgoode to be there
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by happiergilmore on Aug 4, 2011 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Osgood
- 10th all-time in wins
- 25th all-time in GAA
- 49th all-time in SV%
- 20th all-time in playoff SV%
He’s got a case, but it’s the Hall of Very Good he belongs in.
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We can either talk about how he was snubbed every year or about how crappy he is every year.
Well I mean we can do both, but the media narrative will be one of the other.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Aug 4, 2011 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d prefer to be the guy who got snubbed, than the guy who doesn’t deserve it, I think
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by MapleLeafMole on Aug 4, 2011 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Also SV% doesn’t go back very far. Only 4 of the top 20 goalies of all time are retired. And it’s also due to era fluctuations.
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s% only goes back to 1983.. and there are only 32 goalies in the HoF.
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you might as well judge their career on their mask paint jobs
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 4, 2011 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Plain red on the old style helmet/mask combo? Yeah, that’s not going to cut it.
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I dunno. puts any of the other “retro” masks to shame.
Also, managing not to get concussed with that setup is pretty sweet.
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Hasek painted his retro mask, and concussions arn’t exactly common fodder for goalies, I can think of two off the top of my head who currently have (or have recently had) concussion issues in Smith and DiPietro
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 4, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
DiPi’s was because of Brent Johnson’s fist, but running the old school combo mask (as Osgood and DiPi have done) has a greater chance of concussion if you get hit in the face with a puck (force distribution, flatness of the cage, etc).
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Yeah Hasek sucks
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by happiergilmore on Aug 4, 2011 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Not in Buffalo.
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by happiergilmore on Aug 5, 2011 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions
is this like the opposite of in columbus?
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 5, 2011 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions
It never matters in Buffalo. Ever.
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by happiergilmore on Aug 5, 2011 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Did we just start a counter-meme?
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by happiergilmore on Aug 5, 2011 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions
You can argue he was the best non-elite goalie of his time.
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Wait maybe not the best non “elite” goalie, but maybe the best non “great” goalie.
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the best good goalie?
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 4, 2011 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Adam Oates=Cris Carter?
"You said you didn't give a f#%k about hockey. And I never saw someone say that before..."
maybe if he didnt’ burn so many bridges trying to renegotiate his contract every year and holding out he’d be in.
by Nigel Cadbury on Aug 4, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Canucks sign Owen Nolan and Todd Fedoruk to tryout Contracts
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Methinks that if Nolan is serviceable…he could be very useful to that team.
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Now they just need a Tim Thomas…..
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Aug 4, 2011 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I understand they wanted to add some grit and veteran experience but is signing a 39 year old that played 24 games in the Swiss League last year the answer? Of course price must have been a huge factor.
by Tickle Me Aulie on Aug 4, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
oohhh I didnt see that they’re “tryout contracts”. this makes sense now.
by Tickle Me Aulie on Aug 4, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
26 pts in 24 games for Old-wen Nolan isn’t that bad. He had 33 in 73 games in 09-10 for Minny. He might not be bad alongside Kesler
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by happiergilmore on Aug 4, 2011 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions
he is 40 this year and has been out of the league for a full year
he is done
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 4, 2011 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think he’ll make the team out of camp.. But hey, you never know
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by happiergilmore on Aug 4, 2011 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions
His name is Patrick Sharp
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