Ugh: Kadri Out For 3 To 4 Weeks
by JP Nikota on Sep 29, 2011 7:01 AM EDT
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Bob MacKenzie confirmed this information at around 11:30 last night via Twitter, and explained that official confirmation from the Leafs was likely to come this morning.
The Leafs have been hit with a rash of injuries just before the season opener, with Brown, Connolly, Bozak, and now Kadri out of the lineup. Oh, and Kessel is still nursing a tight groin. This already stands in marked contrast to last year's relatively healthy core. With the exception of Phaneuf's leg injury and Armstrong's series of finger, eye, and foot injuries, the Leafs' mainstays played nearly every game - something that we shouldn't expect to be so lucky about again. (No, I'm not forgetting Giguere's injury - it's just that it didn't exactly hurt the team. Brown was also repeatedly injured last year. Again, he's not really a part of the "core".)
It's not all doom and gloom, though. Take a look over the jump to find lots of optimism about the upcoming season.
Leafs Links:
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Well here's hoping. From Jonathan Willis at The Leafs Nation.
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Danny Gray grumbles about Shanahan's decision not to suspend Chris Neil for his collision/hit on/with Grabovski. Here's a thought: what would Sydney Crosby have said if asked for his opinion on the play?
Remaking The Leafs' Penalty Kill
Over at The Leafs Nation, PPP gives his two cents about what kind of impact a marginal improvement on the PK could mean for the Leafs' overall record.
Leafs better, but not quite there
Michael Langlois makes it known that he's relatively happy with this re-building process, but that there is a long way still to go before this team can think about post-season success.
As We Approach The End Of The Preseason
Over at LeafsHQ Jeffler outlines some of the remaining decisions facing Ron Wilson.
Other Hockey Links:
Sabres raise ante in Northeast
"It’s in our discussions daily, how excited we are with what’s happening in Buffalo," added defenceman Tyler Myers, who is in for a big chunk of Pegula’s cash after signing a mammoth seven-year extension that includes a $10-million signing bonus next July 1. "It’s pretty motivating as a player to see that. You want to come to the rink and play for somebody like that." Story from James Mirtle.
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The real rule is "Don’t get caught calling someone a faggot in circumstances in which we can’t pretend there’s doubt about what you said, even with our officials claiming not to have heard anything."
A sports wagering look at the 2011-12 NHL point standings
This system has the Leafs finishing 10th in the East, and 19th overall. Seems in line with just about every prediction I've read so far this off-season. From Wyshynski at PD.
Flyers' Sestito suspended for illegal hit
Forward will miss rest of pre-season and first two regular-season games after hit on Andre Deveaux. From the AP at the Globe.
Shanahan's Implicit Message: Become a Better Hitter
Bettman's Nightmare looks at the recent Shanahan suspension and calls for a reassessment of NHL player hitting habits.
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I've linked this page almost solely for the Ovechkin quote. From Wyshynski at PD.
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I drafted him in the PPP fantasy pool. It’s my fault.
I had something really clever to say here. But I forgot.
I didn’t draft him in PPPPP2 so it’s my fault.
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by nhlcheapshot on Sep 29, 2011 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions
i did draft him in the PPPP2 fault, I blame you.
by Nigel Cadbury on Sep 29, 2011 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions
and I can’t type apparently.. I’ll blame you for that as well.
by Nigel Cadbury on Sep 29, 2011 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Just when you think they have too many players.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Sep 29, 2011 8:12 AM EDT reply actions
Grabovski awesomeness:
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I wrote an article about how Jake Gardiner should be sent down
http://www.fiveminutesforfighting.com/2011/09/non-dilemma.html
by Five Minutes For Fighting on Sep 29, 2011 9:20 AM EDT reply actions
Why he shouldn’t be sent down…….Drew Doughty, Zach Bogosian, Alex Pietrangelo, Luke Schenn, Tyler Myers, Erik Karlsson……all taken before him in the same draft, same age and regulars that contribute. Why can’t he be mature enough to make the jump these made 3 yrs ago?
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Sep 29, 2011 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions
and the whole not having a need to rush him and chance to develop him properly
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree but he’s making it difficult for us to argue that he isn’t ready and that anything he’s missing he can’t learn on the job.
by Goosemonster on Sep 29, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
there are two many defensemen who can create offense ahead of him
there is zero fucking point in rushing him,
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
RUSH RUSH RUSH
THIS IS OUR YEAR
RUSH THEM ALL
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Whether he’s mature or not isn’t the point. There’s no room for him on the roster. He’s a PP specialist who would be behind Phaneuf, Liles, Franson, and possibly Connolly for PP ice time. Why put a guy on the roster who isn’t going to get the chance to play?
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by Draglikepull on Sep 29, 2011 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions
He’s a PMD that would help greatly in the transition game especially with our speedy forwards. Perfect for the uptempo game the Leafs wanna play.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Sep 29, 2011 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions
behind liles, Phaneuf, Franson and even Gunnarson 5v5 and connolly on the pp
not needed
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions
NHL schedule is over twice as long as the NCAA schedule.
That’s a big adjustment that only a handful of college players are able to make.
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yep, let him run roughshod over the AHL for a year, it will be good for him
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Yup that too. He needs to adap to the pro game and schedule.
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18 mins a night in the NHL vs 25 mins a night in the AHL suggests he’ll get more tired in the AHL especially since they take buses to games instead of a chartered plane.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Sep 29, 2011 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah, that makes no sense
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions
On the surface not a bad argument, until you realize that it’s the AHL (with AHL calibre players) and not the NHL. I mean, I play about 30 mins a night in my beer league (when we’re short benched) and I DRIVE MYSELF to the games!
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Sep 29, 2011 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions
If you’ve ever sat on a bus for 8hrs it’s far from relaxing. You can’t sleep and you get restless. Over the course of a season I would much rather take 45min flights.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Sep 29, 2011 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions
I never had any problems sleeping on the bus after playing my ass off at a hockey game
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
NHL travel is constant.
AHL travel is largely confined to the weekends.
Next argument.
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For an example of the differences in travel, here’s the Marlies schedule from the November 16 – 30
@ Rochester (18th) – their last game before this one is on the 13th
Rochester (19th)
Peoria (20th)
@ St. John’s (25th)
@ St. John’s (26th)
Grand Rapids (29th)
So that’s a trip to Rochester and back on a Friday, and then a weekend in St. John’s.
Here’s the Leafs over the same period.
vs Phoenix (15th)
@ Nashville (17th)
vs Washington (19th)
@ Carolina (20th)
@ Tampa Bay (22nd)
@ Dallas (25th)
@ Anaheim (27th)
vs Boston (30th)
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This seems like a bizarre argument.
It’s not really worth investigating anyway, but looking at one, two-week stretch in the schedule doesn’t make a whole lot of sense. Also, traveling on the weekends doesn’t suck any less than during the week, and for every time that the Marlies play on at home during the week, some other team is traveling to Toronto.
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It highlights a key difference in the schedules.
The AHL schedules are very weekend-oriented, and either consist of small travel distances to the next opponent or extended stays in a longer-distance location.
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But aren’t they taking the bus instead of a flight to these closer locations? That probably goes a long way towards evening out the travel time – even if it’s never quite the same.
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I’d rather fly to Vancouver than drive to New York.
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But would you rather fly to Vancouver, and then fly to LA that night?
Or drive to New York, stay for two nights, and then be home for four?
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Total travel time to NYC and back: 20 hours.
Total travel time to LA + Van: 14 hours in air, maybe another 4 in buses?
Meh.
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So basically, if there’s not that significant a difference in travel, then the claim that Gardiner is somehow going to be more tired playing more in the AHL is a crock of shit and we can move on, right?
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Meh, never said it was so much worse.
I just jumped in because you seemed to be arguing that it was easier than at the NHL level, which I didn’t agree with.
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‘If’ they are taking a bus and not flying to St. Johns that’s 2 days travel from TO to St. Johns. The return ride to Peoria adds several hrs.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Sep 29, 2011 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
And I doubt that they take a bus all the way to St. John’s, or when they have to go to one of the Western teams.
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My bad I meant Grand Rapids which is Michigan.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Sep 29, 2011 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
No way they take a bus there.
On the other hand, you get to spend two days in St. John’s, Nfld., or Albany, or Rochester, or Binghampton, or some other really terribly boring place.
At least in the bigs, you’re going to major cities.
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I’m not particularly concerned about the nightlife choices for a team that’s only in a particular city for a hockey game
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I'm not losing sleep over it.
But it’s another edge that NHL travel has over AHL.
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Errrrr, AHL travel sucks a lot.
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I won’t argue with that, but I don’t but the whole idea that it’s the kind of fatigue that carries over for a week or even a few days. These guys are pretty young and they bounce back fairly well.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Sep 29, 2011 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions
I find long car/bus rides pretty relaxing. I have no problem sleeping on them. I’m not sure you should speak for anyone other than yourself in this case.
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by Bower Power on Sep 29, 2011 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
If you are saying you get a better more restful sleep in a moving seat than a stationary bed fairly certain you are the one in the minority here.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Sep 29, 2011 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m saying that the idea a player should stay in the NHL instead of the AHL because of how they travel – and completely ignoring when or how far they travel – is shockingly ridiculous.
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by Bower Power on Sep 29, 2011 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
If that was the sole basis of deciding which level they should play at, yes. It’s not the sole reason but rather a factor that can’t be completely disregarded.
People continually say the west coast teams suffer vs the east because of the travel schedule which they do and they both fly first class. If true, then the difference between a 45min flight vs a 5 hr bus ride can’t be ignored.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Sep 29, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
It’s not the sole reason but rather a factor that can’t be completely disregarded.
Oh no, it can definitely be disregarded. These are professional athletes who can manage a bus ride, assuming they even do get tired. Hell, these guys take pre-game naps.
Everyone who’s ever been developed in the AHL rather than jumping into the NHL has had to deal with this issue. There’s nothing to suggest it’s a significantly detrimental issue – certainly not compared to the change in ice time and competition – and it seems like a heck of a red herring.
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by Bower Power on Sep 29, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
how does this
help with the “he needs to deal with playing more games and the fatigue factor” argument?
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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Sep 29, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
I dont even know where to begin
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You’re grasping at straws now. It’s okay to change your mind.
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by Bower Power on Sep 29, 2011 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions
No way he gets anywhere close to 18 minutes a night in the NHL. Probably about 11-12.
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by Draglikepull on Sep 29, 2011 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
and that is with PP time
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
See he’ll be even better rested over the long haul…..lol
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Sep 29, 2011 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
TOI is only part of the issue. NHL defensemen taking a lot of punishment over a season.
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by pho king awesome on Sep 29, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
He plays a transition game, but as a rookie would require a lot of offensive zone starts to drop his competition. It doesn’t make sense.
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by Bower Power on Sep 29, 2011 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
I think it might not be the worst thing to start him with the Leafs, basically give him a 2-game audition.
But then the Leafs are off for a week and return to action the same weekend the Marlies season starts.
Give him 2 days and a full week of NHL practice, and then send him back to the Marlies with a list of things he needs to work on.
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He’d miss the entire Marlies pre-season. Eakins will probably want him to get a little time to practice with his new team.
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by Bower Power on Sep 29, 2011 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions
not too worried about that if he is practicing with the big boys, I don;t think he’ll have too much trouble adjusting to the AHL
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions
He’ll have lots of time to get to know his teammates what with all that bus-riding.
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by clrkaitken on Sep 29, 2011 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I dunno. He’ll probably be too tired.
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by Bower Power on Sep 29, 2011 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ugh, do the rec’s actually show up as a flag, or is it only a glitch to the user that rec’s a post?
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Sep 29, 2011 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It’s a new glitch. It’s reccing them. Not sure what’s going on but it’s been that way for 2 or 3 days.
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by nhlcheapshot on Sep 29, 2011 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
But my point is where is he going to get ice time? We’ve already got Gunnarsson and Liles on the left side, both of whom have good transition games and are better defensively than Gardiner. There’s also talk of Franson moving over to the left side. So Gardiner would potentially be behind 3 other offensively talented players. Why put him on the roster just to sit him in the pressbox behind better players?
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by Draglikepull on Sep 29, 2011 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Every pairing will have a good transition player. Phaneuf is and has always been an offensive defenseman first. Liles is the same way, and he can really fly. Franson isn’t speedy, but is a strong passer.
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The point remains – where is Gardiner going to get playing time?
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by Draglikepull on Sep 29, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Sure, but his shot is under-developed and his defensive game is far from polished. So you’re giving him a spot because he does two things pretty well, but has glaring holes in other parts of his game. Or you can send him to the Marlies, allow him some time to work on rounding out his play, and then reap the much greater benefits six months or a year from now.
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by birky on Sep 29, 2011 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
but his shot is under-developed
Noticed that too. Definitely needs to work on it
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He also is unsure about when to shoot. He just needs experience.
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yup, both of which he will get to work on in the AHL
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Pretty much.
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2nd overall, 3rd overall, 4th overall, 5th overall, 12th overall, 15th overall
Gardiner = 17th overall
Also, maybe he’s just not as good those guys? Draft position isn’t everything.
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by nhlcheapshot on Sep 29, 2011 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions
“Draft position isn’t everything.” He could be better than those guys.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Sep 29, 2011 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions
I know
but using 6 guys drafted higher than him as a reason why he should be “ready” isn’t really a great reason.
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by nhlcheapshot on Sep 29, 2011 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions
The comparison was that they are the same age taken in the same draft and have been in the league for 3yrs now.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Sep 29, 2011 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions
right, and that means the better more NHL ready players got taken first?
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
To be fair, Myers has only two seasons, Pietrangelo has one and Karlsson and Bogosian play for the Senators and Jets respectively – not exactly your defensive powerhouses.
Also, Colten Teubert.
Luca Sbisa and Michael del Zotto have also played in the league. Point is, if these guys can all play at the NHL why can’t Gardiner be ready?
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Sep 29, 2011 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Personally I blame Komisarek.
Del Zotto got sent back down last year, didn’t he? For not being ready?
He’s speedy and is fun to watch, but if he can’t outplay Aulie or Komisarek (yes I know he’s not going anywhere) for a roster spot – is he really ready?
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by nhlcheapshot on Sep 29, 2011 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Because of who is in front of them. Your arguments are nonsense. MSP is playing for the Oilers so why cant Kadri play guaranteed? Thy were drafted the same year
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can Gardiner play in the NHL? sure, probably
should he? not really no, there is no reason to rush his development so why should we?
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
On the Oilers he might be a #2-3 Dman. Isles too.
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by nhlcheapshot on Sep 29, 2011 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
exactly, in the right circumstances he’d be in the NHL this year, not on the Leafs
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Kind of like how Schenn stayed with the Leafs his 1st year because we weren’t incredibly good on D.
In 08/09 the Leafs D had:
Pavel Kubina, Ian White, Jeff Finger, Luke Schenn, Mike van Ryn (sort of), Luke Schenn, Anton Stralman, Carlo Coliaicovo, Jamie Sifers, Phil Oreskovic, Jonas Frogren.
Yikes.
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by nhlcheapshot on Sep 29, 2011 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Luke Schenn: the name so nice, it made the list twice.
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by Bower Power on Sep 29, 2011 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
He was THAT good.
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by nhlcheapshot on Sep 29, 2011 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
He played a bit for the leafs. Big defenceman. Defensive style. Wasn;t very good.
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The best thing for Gardiner is to dominate the A this year and have a few cups of coffee with the Leafs along the way as injuries inevitably arise. Development for a young inexperienced player in a situation where will likely be successful while providing depth for the Leafs. Win win.
Let the Wookie win.
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by Kenjamin on Sep 29, 2011 10:42 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
yeah, give him a shot if the Leafs have a few injuries on D like Kadri last year
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Yup. Absolutely no reason to rush a 21(!) Year old who has never played more than 51 games in his college or pro career.
Let the Wookie win.
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by Kenjamin on Sep 29, 2011 10:48 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
And yet he still may make the roster.
I don’t know how I feel about this “holding 8D” thing, especially when those players sitting out will likely be one of Aulie, Gardiner, Franson, or Gunnarsson.
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by nhlcheapshot on Sep 29, 2011 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
i think its just motivation for the kids to work hard the remainder of camp
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
I’d be fine with the 8d thing if the two generally on the outs (except for injuries) were like, Lashoff and Komi.
But Franson, Gunnar, Aulie, Gardiner all need ice-time in either the AHL or NHL.
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by nhlcheapshot on Sep 29, 2011 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t like the idea of any kids sitting instead of playing in the AHL
unless its Komi in the box every night and them running 7 d on the ice
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions
That’s a pretty significant leap in judgement from the very small sample we’ve seen. I wouldn’t put him over any of those guys anytime soon.
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This is a ridiculous argument
all taken before him in the same draft
That kind of illustrates why.
Maybe if you had a list of players taken AFTER him in the draft we could have this conversation?
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by Steve Burtch on Sep 29, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I’m so disappointed busy season at work coincides with the start of hockey season. there are more important things to discuss than reviews and viewer complaints right now.
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How about listener complaint? Fearless Fred sucks!
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eh, I dont mind Fred, other than Josie he is the best radio host in the GTA
he just tries to hard to be wacky sometimes
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions
I blame Wilson
Why would there be a suspension on Neil when Wilson, comments after the game, that it looked unintentional. Wilson looked about as upset on that hit as if he had dropped an M&M on the floor.
by Gebx on Sep 29, 2011 9:45 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
I’m pretty sure that was never factored in
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions
REally? Thats incredibly dumb
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If that were the case, then Wilson should just get really pissed about a hit after every game. Throw shit at the wall and see what sticks.
I think Shanaban is above that
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by MapleLeafMole on Sep 29, 2011 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions
you so silly
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by nhlcheapshot on Sep 29, 2011 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions
How dare you say Mike Brown isn't part of the core of this team
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What, he’s not on your “untouchables” list?
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by nhlcheapshot on Sep 29, 2011 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions
just his mustache
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Brown’s stache and Weber’s beard are the dynamic duo
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Colton orrs hair makes a deft trio
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Dude looks like he’s trying to be one of those Fabio guys on a Harlequinn romance novel.
by Goosemonster on Sep 29, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn’t touch him for different reasons…like a black eye
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by MapleLeafMole on Sep 29, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
dumb question
How do you use sarcasm don’t?
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i think its like this
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Sooooo
Does Frattin win 3LW by default now? Still no idea if Lombardi will be game-ready by Oct 6.
Funny how we went from having “too many Cs” to Connolly, Bozak, Lombardi, and Kadri all day-to-day or week-to-week.
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I never understand when people complain about those thngs. They are good problems to have. Like our 8 defenceman
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yup, imagine where we would be if the Leafs had the centre depth they had last year
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions
i was thinking here
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
We’re going to be the Islanders?
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they are rebuilding properly don’t’cha’know
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the only thing they’re rebuilding is a portion of Brooklyn
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by happiergilmore on Sep 29, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
heyooooooooooooooo
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
I love depth. Elite depth would be cool, but any depth is an improvement over having to play Joey Crabb on our top line.
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by nhlcheapshot on Sep 29, 2011 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Are we just throwing “elite” in front of everything now?
Hang on. I’m going to finish my elite coffee and then go take an elite dump.
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by clrkaitken on Sep 29, 2011 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I probably had an elite dump this morning, cabbage rolls and a ton of red meat last night
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions
I dunno. Did you grade it against its peers to see if it was a significantly more elite?
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I’ll upload the pictures for judging later
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions
But think about comparables. What about other cabbage roll and red meat dumps taken this year?
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
My dump wasn’t elite, but it sure had some explosive offense.
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My dump unfortunately was hit in the head coming through the neutral zone. Out for the year
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by happiergilmore on Sep 29, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
I’ve been saying this for a long time now. They word elite gets thrown around WAY too much
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That is an elite observation.
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by elseldo on Sep 29, 2011 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
I meant depth of higher-end skill players, not some sort of “super depth”
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by nhlcheapshot on Sep 29, 2011 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
not too many teams have elite depth at any position, as an over all team sure
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions
I can think of only 1 myself (Pit).
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Sep 29, 2011 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
boston goaltending, nashville defense, ducks at forward
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Sorry, I was implying at the “C” position since that’s what the convo. was about in regards to the Leafs.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Sep 29, 2011 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
oh I know, I was just expanding the convo
but yes, only Pitts has elite center depth, the next closest is the canucks,
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
I.e. acquiring a Unicorn (Stastny, Spezza, Parise, etc.) would push our already good guys down the depth chart.
Like until Philly traded Carter and Richards, I would say they had depth of elite centerman.
High-skill depth instead? I don’t really care about the semantics.
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by nhlcheapshot on Sep 29, 2011 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Elite is the new epic
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Sep 29, 2011 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe I’ll use Legen-waitforit-dary instead.
That hasn’t been overused enough to lose it’s meaning, right?
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by nhlcheapshot on Sep 29, 2011 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Spezza isn’t elite tho. I wouldn’t call Carter elite either and maybe not Richards
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yeah, 1C’s. sure, but elite is pushing it
but then there are only 4-5 elite centers in the NHL to me
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Which would make sense, since “elite” is supposed to mean the very best of the best.
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yup, elite centers = Crosby, Malkin, Datsyuk, Sedin, maybe Getzlaf
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Stamkos… maybe? He’s definitely on the cusp of that group
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by happiergilmore on Sep 29, 2011 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
If he can repeat 45+
It’ll be interesting to see how he does w/o St. Louis in a few years. Of course by then he’ll be like 24 or 25 and probably won’t need him anyway.
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by nhlcheapshot on Sep 29, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah, he is getting there, but needs another year or two
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
He’s 21, needs more AHL seasoning
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I prefer the Barbarian’s seasoning
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That’s very sage.
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by GreatKingRat on Sep 29, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
just don’t Pepper us with too many good puns
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I know you never Mint for that to happen
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If you guys don’t cut it out with the shitty puns I swear to god I’ll cumin there.
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That’s a pretty Boldo statement
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Quit being a dill-hole.
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Was that the fennel pun?
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by GreatKingRat on Sep 29, 2011 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I would as well. Thornton was the best player offensively in the league at the beginning of the decade.
Here it is. Thornton had the most points in the 10 seasons from 98/99 to 09/10. While Jagr was probably better (his ppg is insane as he played so many less games), Thornton is 86 points ahead of number 2 (Iginla who was also elite (by my definition) over that time period) in a similar number of games.
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Exactly. I mean if you call all these players “Elite” then it loses it meaning
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If only 5 guys league wide qualify as elite there can never be anything considered elite depth outside of Pittsburgh.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Sep 29, 2011 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
There’s nothing considered elite depth outside of nhlcheapshot’s brain
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by nhlcheapshot on Sep 29, 2011 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe you should just stop talking for a little while, huh? Sit the next few plays out?
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by nhlcheapshot on Sep 29, 2011 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
No no. Its a lot of people who use elite, not just you. Its overused
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn’t say that, some teams have elite depth, but that comes from multiple positions, only the Pens have elite center depth for instance, but the ducks have elite depth at forward with Perry, Ryan, Getzlaf and Selanne
the oilers have elite prospect depth, the bruins elite goalie depth, etc
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
that was centers, there are other elite players for other positions, wingers like ovie goalies like thomas or Miller defensemen like Lidstrom
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
I think for me its porbably the top 5 in any position would be considered elite.
But come D-men its hard to limit it to that (in no partiuclar order): Doughty, Keith, Weber, Pronger (grey beard and all), Lidstrom, Chara. Actually I guess I could end it there. The sub elite but really good would probably be: Boyle, Burns, etc.
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I get why you would say that about Spezza (questions about his defensive game), but how exactly are (Mike) Richards and Carter not elite?
They are top line players. They are not elite. BIG difference
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Commence semantic discussion on our individual definitions of words!
Nobody better have a different opinion….
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by nhlcheapshot on Sep 29, 2011 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Crosby, Ovie, Datsyuk, Malkin, and maaaybe Stamkos. My list ends there.
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Maybe Stamkos? I guess 50 goals doesn’t buy much these days.
by Goosemonster on Sep 29, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
We’ll see how he does when he doesn’t have St Louis riding shotgun.
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Yeah gotta give it a bit more time.
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by happiergilmore on Sep 29, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Fun fact, Stamkos did it a LOT younger.
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True, just saying that 50 goals in one season does not make someone elite. If Stamkos keeps up the pace of his goal scoring, then we can include him in the elite conversation, but right now, one 50 goal season isn’t quite enough.
How about one 51 goal, one 45, 2 over 90 points and all before the age of 21?
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Number of 21 year old players with two 90 point seasons who have never repeated . . . aaaaaaaaand go!
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by Draglikepull on Sep 29, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Here is hte list of players who have scored 90+ points from 18-20 (Stamkos did it twice).
If you include the players who did it more than once only?:
Stamkos, Lemieux, Gretzky, Jimmy Carson, Hawechuk….
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St. Louis has the 4th highest PPG since 2007. He’s elite if we’re discussing scoring prowess.
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Mike Richards: One of only 2 players over the last 3 seasons to have at least 200 points and 10 or more SHG (other is Marleau)
Jeff Carter: One of 5 centres over the last 3 seasons to have at least 200 points and 100 goals (the others are Stamkos, Crosby, Staal, Marleau)
And they both are excellent defensively. I think that qualifies them as “elite”, unless Elite=Crosby.
I would say definitely not.
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To me, elite is being in the top 5-10 in 3 significant statistical categories for 3+ consecutive seasons. I’m talking goals, assists, ppg, shg, etc. Yeah it’s arbitrary, but to me it’s a sufficiently exclusive club where if you make it in, you’re the cream of the crop.
Marleau’s stats put him in my “elite” club for the last 3 seasons, maybe more but I didn’t bother looking back further than that. Perhaps he’s not in the top 5-10 if you look at different stat categories, but goals+PPG+SHG are good indicators to me.
I agree. They are very good 1st liners. Elite centers are probably: Crosby, Stamkos, Toews… Maybe H Sedin and E Staal?
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That’s all centres, min 150 GP over the past 3 seasons, sorted by ppg
I’d say the elite centres are Crosby, Malkin and H Sedin, and Getzlaf is on the bubble.
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I would define an “elite” centre as a guy who can score at a PPG pace and isn’t awful defensively.
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by Draglikepull on Sep 29, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Elite – the choice or best of anything considered collectively, as of a group or class of persons.
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12 centres played 25 or more games last year and had 0.9 PPG or higher. 196 centres in total played 25+ games. So those 12 guys are in the top 6%. I would generally consider maybe the top 5% of a given group to be “elite”, so I think my suggestion was pretty good.
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by Draglikepull on Sep 29, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Do it with wingers and you get 11 guys out of 224, ie. the top 4.9%. I have no problem calling the top 11 players on this list elite:
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by Draglikepull on Sep 29, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Thomas Vanek? LOL
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5th overall in goals scored over the past 5 seasons behind Ovechkin, Kovalchuk, Iginla, and Heatley? Sounds pretty elite to me.
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by Draglikepull on Sep 29, 2011 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
No he really isn’t.
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If being one of the top 5 wingers in goals scored isn’t elite, what is? Just the top 1? Top 3?
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by Draglikepull on Sep 29, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
No because Vanek is not one of the best in the game and that’s what an elite player is. A small group of players who are the best of the best. He is not one of them.
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Leafer: Could he be considered an elite winger or elite right winger, but not an elite player?
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You’re right. You know what else, Luke Schenn in an elite 2nd pairing Right Defenceman.
I mean if we’re just gonna start breaking it down more…
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As I said above
For me I would say the top 5 in any position I would probably consider elite.
Something like:
Crosby, Stamkos, Malkin, Toews, H Sedin
LW:
Ovechkin, D Sedin, Kovi, Parise
RW:
Iginla, Perry, St Louis, Kane, (Gaborik potentially could have been if he could stay healthy and Selanne if he can continue to be an ageless wonder).
D:
Keith, Doughty, Pronger, Chara, Lidstrom, Weber (I know its six)
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You just keep asserting things without defining what you mean or who you would consider better. What makes for an elite winger? How do we know when someone is elite? How many goals do you have to score to be elite?
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by Draglikepull on Sep 29, 2011 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Clrkaitken defined what the word elite means. Vanek doesn’t fall under that, sorry
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Clrkaitken used my definition that you disagreed with until he slightly re-worked it to give an answer you liked.
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by Draglikepull on Sep 29, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
You know fuck this. I’m done with this argument and done with this place for a while. Keep referencing you handy spreadsheet for all the fuckin answers
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I used your definition after you gave a proper definition.
The data backed it up.
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I have no problem with the way you used it. I just thought it was strange that Leafer disagree with it when I used it but agreed with it when you used it.
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by Draglikepull on Sep 29, 2011 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I agreed on a point-per-game being a pretty good cut-off point.
Everything I found says Vanek doesn’t meet the requirement.
You were right about the overall criteria and Leafer’s right about Vanek specifically
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He was getting weirdly combative, but you’re probably right about the bolding.
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by Draglikepull on Sep 29, 2011 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
This guy is the benchmark for elite:
Flugenweb, space code, twit zone, ass mode, check ze tweets.
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I would include Stamkos for his goal scoring. And I agree on Getzlaf on the bubble
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Carter and Marleau have the same GPG over the last three years.
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Hmm.. odd that that list is only counting Marleau’s last two seasons.
Hmm.. odd that that list is only counting Marleau’s last two seasons.
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As Stmakos? Its not really fair to include his 18 year old rookie season. How about their GPG over the last 2 years?
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How is Toews a whole echelon better than Carter or Richards?
Richards 46.8 Ozone Start, 8th in Corsi QualComp, 81GP 23G 43A
Carter 43.8 Ozone Start, 3rd in CorsiQualComp, 80GP 36G 30A
Toews 62.1Ozone Start, 6th in Corsi QualComp, 80GP 32G 44A
To be honest I really haven’t watched enough of Toews personally and its a bit of trust of other people (inclduing around here). People seem to say he is really damn good all around and I have trsuted that a bit. That and he has really stepped up his game in important games (stanley cup playoff run and olympics).
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Try this list
Centres:
Crosby, Stamkos, Malkin, H Sedin, Getzlaf
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datsyuk
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Again
You are 100% correct. I somehow completely missed him. I personally think he is the second best C in the game (behind Crosby)
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also zetterberg is pretty close to elite at the very least for a winger
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Cross off Getzlaf and replace Datsyuk. I think if we’re being that selective Carter/Richards/Toews don’t make it.
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And I’d like to say, I dont think the stats im quoting are enough. You have to look at a lot of things, but im working right now so I cant do that in depth research and keep up witht the conversation.
It’s when our elite center gets hurt so we call up the 100pt player we keep in the minors for such an occasion.
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by nhlcheapshot on Sep 29, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
I highly doubt he’ll be an elite centre. To be honest, I have no idea where he’ll end up. Maybe a 2nd line centre at best. I’d love to be proven wrong, but he hasn’t really shown absolute brilliance. I look forward to seeing him in the AHL this year.
by Goosemonster on Sep 29, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
flagged for not assuming Colborne will be an 100 point centre.
He’s already an 82 point one. If we pro-rate his NHL experience.
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by nhlcheapshot on Sep 29, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
It’s true he’s PPG over 1 game. I’m not saying he’ll be a bust or anything, but I’m not sure why people are really really hyped about him other than he is a 1st round pick with size. That’s a good thing, but I haven’t seen him really use that size to its fullest extent and I don’t even know if he’ll be ready this year. We’ve gone over why he didn’t get many points with the Boston-AHL affiliate (ice time), but ~40 points over ~70 games is not great. He needs to impress in the A this year – PPG or close.
by Goosemonster on Sep 29, 2011 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I was being facetious.
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by nhlcheapshot on Sep 29, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Obviously, which i turned into an opportunity to voice my Colborne beliefs. Apologize for the rant but I’ve been thinking about him for a bit, given the hype I keep seeing.
by Goosemonster on Sep 29, 2011 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Hype is a given in Toronto, no point trying to tell people that he might not live up to it. Looking at the player though, he does have great potential. Not a great skater but his lanky stride gets him around adequately. His puck protection is improving. He already has the vision where he can make the smart little touch passes to spring his wingers, and he’s a legitimate threat to shoot as well.
I don’t just mean here, the MSM – even those that hate toronto – still point to him as one of the best prospects
by Goosemonster on Sep 29, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Nothing funny about it.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Sep 29, 2011 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Remember when news of Kadri’s injury came out yesterday, I read people say things like “Ohhh thats why he was invincible yesterday”
"It probably happened midway through the third period," Kadri said. "I was coming back on the backcheck and ran into the end of the boards and caught my knee a little funny on the inside."
I guess not
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I think only one person said that (me) and I think I used the word “maybe”
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
All over the intertewbs
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions
YOU LIE YOU FUCKIN GUY
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Invincible
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by GettinGiggy on Sep 29, 2011 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
So
I was crunching some numbers for my fantasy draft tonight, and I ran into something interesting:
Which of the Leafs in their time as a Leaf score the most points/60 in the last two years (including all their games if they played more than one season)?
Grabovski
Kulemin
Kessel
Mackarthur
Stajan
Ponikarovski
Hagman?
The answer may surprise you.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Sep 29, 2011 10:46 AM EDT reply actions
macarthur’s evil twin.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Sep 29, 2011 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Stajan
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He’s 2nd.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Sep 29, 2011 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Poni.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Sep 29, 2011 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
He’s 3rd.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Sep 29, 2011 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Points/60?
I’m going to guess…. Hagman.
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by nhlcheapshot on Sep 29, 2011 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
5th
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Sep 29, 2011 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Well if it's not Stajan, Poni, or Hagman
I’m not really that surprised.
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really? i’m surprised they’re as high as they are. 2nd 3rd and 5th.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Sep 29, 2011 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
4th
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Sep 29, 2011 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Kulemin as my 2nd guess
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by nhlcheapshot on Sep 29, 2011 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Kulemin blows. he’s 9th.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Sep 29, 2011 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Flagged as troll.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Sep 29, 2011 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
9th on a list of 7 names?
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by nhlcheapshot on Sep 29, 2011 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
9th overall. i didn’t give all the names. did you want me to include lupul and versteeg in that list?
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Sep 29, 2011 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m getting dangerously close to not caring about the answer.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Sep 29, 2011 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
getting there?
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LOL.
Fine.
The answer is MacArthur. Also known as Mackarthur.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Sep 29, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Don’t care.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Sep 29, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
in their time as a Leaf score the most points/60 in the last two years
Kind of a weird phrasing of the question since MacArthur was only here for 1 year.
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by nhlcheapshot on Sep 29, 2011 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
phrasing is odd, but the point remains the same.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Sep 29, 2011 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
So does the song.
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by not norm ullman on Sep 29, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m way past that point.
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by nhlcheapshot on Sep 29, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
That was my second guess.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Sep 29, 2011 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
grabbo
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
grabbo is 6th. worse than Stajan, Poni, and Hagman.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Sep 29, 2011 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
he’s actually high on the list if i go back 3 years, but not two.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Sep 29, 2011 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Stalberg.
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by Bower Power on Sep 29, 2011 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Bozak
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
SAY THE IDEA
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Sep 29, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Fuck you and fuck him
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by happiergilmore on Sep 29, 2011 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
The top points/60 Leafs in the past 2 years
MacArthur
Stajan
Poni
Kessel
Hagman
Grabo
Lupul
Versteeg
Kulemin
Blake
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Sep 29, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Blake
lol
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by nhlcheapshot on Sep 29, 2011 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
in other words, Stajan, Poni, and Hagman all scored at a better pace than Grabo.
Add Lupul and Versteeg to that list for Kulemin.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Sep 29, 2011 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
So 26 year old Stajan, 28 year old Poni and 29 year old Hagman outscored 24 year old Grabbo and 23 year old Kulemin.
Fascinating.
No wait, what’s the opposite of that?
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because age is the only thing that dictates whether a player is good or not.
Great point.
No wait, what’s the opposite of that?
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Sep 29, 2011 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Sorry, you lost me at why this is relevant at about the sixth word
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wow. you’re just full of sunshine today aren’t you.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Sep 29, 2011 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
We just lost Kadri for a month, we’re all a little angry right now. And there’s no hockey tonight so add that in.
by Goosemonster on Sep 29, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
There’s always hockey this time of year, you jsut need to know where to look.
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by Goosemonster on Sep 29, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
meh…its only one stat in isolation.
Hagman and Poni never had 30 goal seasons and are over 30. Vs Kulemin scoring 30 at age 24.
And Stajan’s never scored more than 20. Grabbo’s done it twice. And put up 58 points. One better than Stajan’s career best 57.
I’m not too concerned with games played, either. Kulemin and Grabbo both seem pretty resilient (save for Grabbo’s broken hand in 2009-2010
"I will actually score as many times as Kulemin assists me."
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by MapleLeafMole on Sep 29, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Seriously?
I would have thought Toskola had the highest points/60
by c_gee on Sep 29, 2011 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Was Bozak actually below Blake or was there another reason he didn’t make this list?
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by nhlcheapshot on Sep 29, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m sorry…i thought this whole conversation was completely uninteresting to everyone….
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Sep 29, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
I was just curious why MacArthur made the list and Bozak didn’t.
Ya Bozak had a bad bad year from a P/60 perspective.
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by nhlcheapshot on Sep 29, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
no no. i’m just snarky now. not because of you.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Sep 29, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
but yeah, he was actually below. more games played, probably more ice time as well, but his numbers weren’t great, especially last season.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Sep 29, 2011 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Hagman is my bet.
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he did have the highest goals/60. followed by Kessel.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Sep 29, 2011 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
APPOLOGY NOT ACCEPTED
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Less than 200 hours to the season opener!!
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To make up for lost time, the Sabres signed six seasons worth of front-loaded cap skirting contracts in one week.
YAAAAY
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leaflover and I sing Free to Be before games for good luck. It usually (sometimes) works
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by Draglikepull on Sep 29, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
If I could erase AC/DC from the history of the planet Earth, I would not hesitate to do so.
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by Draglikepull on Sep 29, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
you don’t like to party
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Live Wire is my personal favourite
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
But you would keep Bruce Springsteen?
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Bruce Springsteen is fantastic.
AC/DC have written some of the most generic blues rock that’s ever been recorded, and their singer is dreadfully annoying.
Not sure what your point is.
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by Draglikepull on Sep 29, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Bon Scott probably died before he was born, forgive him his ignorance.
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by GreatKingRat on Sep 29, 2011 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
If you’re going to stoop to the level of ripping apart one brainless pop act, you can’t turn around and praise another one of about the same level of sophistication.
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Bruce Springsteen is an unsophisticated pop act? Have you ever listened to Nebraska?
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by Draglikepull on Sep 29, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Similar to Neil Young, I think he gets built up into something bigger than what presents itself on his CDs.
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I think all the acts in this conversation are good at what they do, in that they all effectively make money by entertaining people through music.
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Yeah...
They’re pop bands. Are they fun? Yes? Good.
They won’t stand up to any more significant criticism, so screw it. Enjoy it for what it is, or don’t listen.
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Yeah exactly. Personally I don’t need my music to be anything more than enjoyable to listen to. Sure, some of the bands I like are more than that, but I also love songs like “Satisfaction” by the Rolling Stones.
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This is crazy talk.
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by Berezin's Spleen on Sep 29, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
but it’s good luck!
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Don't think I'm crazy about this:
bcphockeyblog Blue Chip Prospects
Brian Burke ‘working the phones’ to address the excess of depth on the blueline, per Pierre Lebrun
Unless it means “trading Komisarek”.
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No, it’s the right thing to do. If we can move things around on our blue line to bring in a young offensive prospect I like it.
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by happiergilmore on Sep 29, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
It almost has to.
I seriously doubt any of our other defenders get traded. (Again, not that they’re untouchable, but we’re talking about orders of magnitudes less likely to be dealt.)
What can we get for Gunnar?
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Depends how we value him and how other teams value him or what he can become. Important to sell his two-way play and his good mobility
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by happiergilmore on Sep 29, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
and his point production
and his defensive skills..
basically everything except his ability to hit.
He blocks shots well.
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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Sep 29, 2011 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
So at least he’s good at hitting something
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by happiergilmore on Sep 29, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
why would we trade him again…? should guys who are good at just about everything and come cheap stick in the lineup?
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by Matt_Roberts on Sep 29, 2011 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
If it’s not much, I want him staying. I don’t want us giving away depth for 3rd round picks. Screw that.
by Goosemonster on Sep 29, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
So that would leave us with:
Phaneuf
Liles
Schenn
Komisarek
Aulie
Franson
Lashoff
Yeah, I guess that’s enough to shelter Gardiner.
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Burke has already implied he thinks Gardiner can play in the NHL. I’m assuming a defender trade would be to move Gardiner up the depth chart.
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by Draglikepull on Sep 29, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Package for Parise!
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by nhlcheapshot on Sep 29, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Let’s not start this yet. Besides, Parise UFA Watch 2012 has already begun.
by Goosemonster on Sep 29, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Let’s not start this yet.
Where have you been? I’ve been in full Parise-mania since I heard he signed a 1 year deal.
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by nhlcheapshot on Sep 29, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
We aren’t going to trade for him without a king’s ransom. Wait until the summer and he can be ours for nothing but a cap hit, as opposed to our best prospects (which is likely what NJ will want)
by Goosemonster on Sep 29, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Wait until the summer and he can be ours for nothing but a cap hit
To be honest, I don’t know if he’ll make it to summer. And if he does, I don’t trust Burke can give him the kind of contract that all these superstars are getting (10 years, $100M). Ugh.
Let me dream a bit more.
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by nhlcheapshot on Sep 29, 2011 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
What makes you think he gets to free agency?
He’s either re-signing in Jersey or Jersey will ship him somewhere who will then sign him
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thought he can’t be traded for a year
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by happiergilmore on Sep 29, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
thats offer sheets
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
He can get traded whenever, but don’t expect it before Jan 1, when NJ can officially sign him long-term if they can work something out.
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by nhlcheapshot on Sep 29, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
If Burke were willing to move Schenn in a deal, he could get a first line player. And RD is really the position causing the problem.
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The guy he just signed for 5 years? Not sure about that….
by Goosemonster on Sep 29, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
dont bother, birky is always looking for an excuse to trade Schenn
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And yet you expect us to listen to your opinions on the Leafs.
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Oh yes. heaven forbid someone not have an eternal boner for Luke Schenn.
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by Draglikepull on Sep 29, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh give me a break. You would trade him for a 2nd round pick if you could
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Ah the Tim Erixon special.
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by nhlcheapshot on Sep 29, 2011 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
You’re right. A 2nd and Chris Higgins
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I’d trade him to get Boston’s 2nd rounder next year back from Colorado.
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by Draglikepull on Sep 29, 2011 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
actually, heaven does forbid that
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by Matt_Roberts on Sep 29, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
We’re talking about God’s only son, here. Our Luke and Saviour.
(Also, I’m kidding)
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by MapleLeafMole on Sep 29, 2011 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Lets move a young defenceman to bring in… a young defenceman!
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Toskala = cannot be moved, on or off the ice.
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Was a pylon joke, not a joke concerning general worthlessness.
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by not norm ullman on Sep 29, 2011 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Not yet. Come trade deadline? There’s a small but not totally insignificant chance. Of course, he has to actually play decent, and other teams need to have major D injuries especially to their defensive D-men.
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by nhlcheapshot on Sep 29, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
it should be mentioned they traded Rolston for someone making half as much that the Islanders planned to buy out anyway.
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by nhlcheapshot on Sep 29, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I like the idea of moving someone if it brings in a good return
young top 5 guy, 2012 high picks
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah. Obviously I don’t want to turn Gunnarsson into nobody, but if there are good young forwards on the table let’s talk.
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yup, the only two guys I can see being moved at all are Komisarek and Gunnar
only one will bring in anything and all the chatter around Komi is of the “he is awesome in the dressing room and will be better this year we promise!” so the options are limited
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
They’ve been saying that about him every year (that he’ll play better). I stopped listening.
by Goosemonster on Sep 29, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
oh I know, it just strongly hints at them not moving him at the moment is all i ment
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
True indeed. They are big on him. I think he’s underperforms terribly, as most here do from watching him these past few seasons. I do seriously hope he proves me wrong though, because we could honestly use him as a good shutdown D and perhaps mentor (along with Phaneuf) for Aulie.
by Goosemonster on Sep 29, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Lashoff for a 7th
Not that he factors into the discussion at all anyway
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by nhlcheapshot on Sep 29, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
A 7th?
We could probably do better than that. He’s a borderline NHL player. He’s a reasonable 3rd pairing injury-replacement.
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Marginal NHLers don’t really get/cost you much, maybe a 5th? That’s what Brown cost us
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by nhlcheapshot on Sep 29, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Sure, yeah.
Draft picks after the 3rd round are crap shoots, but 5ths are probably slightly better odds crapshoots.
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I guess my point is if we got anything for Lashoff it’d be a plus. He’s in no-mans land for the Leafs right now.
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by nhlcheapshot on Sep 29, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
We should really only trade away at most two of these D. We have depth, that’s a good thing.
by Goosemonster on Sep 29, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Phaneuf stays
Liles and Franson just traded for… Schenn and Gunnarsson just signed…Aulie and Gardiner were added in trades in the past 2 years.
Seriously I’m not sure how much sense this makes on any front.
Basically any of the pieces we’ve got are available since Burke has re-signed or traded for everyone currently with the team.
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by Steve Burtch on Sep 29, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Well,
We need enough depth to keep Gardiner in the A, but not so much that we can’t call him up for a few games here or there to give him a taste of action this year.
I’m thinking out loud a bit here, but the more I type, the more I think “Hmm… OK. This wouldn’t be terrible.”.
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Schenn and Gunnar were RFAs, it’s not like they just joined the Leafs. I don’t think Schenn would get traded because the Leafs have a lot invested in him. I think it is very likely Burke is trying to move Gunnar.
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by Draglikepull on Sep 29, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Gunnar definately makes the most sense unfortunately. I really like Gunnar…. such an awesome name
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by Matt_Roberts on Sep 29, 2011 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
2012 first round is going to be a good year (maybe I’m biased because I know lots of the guys in the O) but there’s a lot of skilled players in there
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by happiergilmore on Sep 29, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
The early consensus is that the 2012 draft is deeper than the last couple of drafts
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by happiergilmore on Sep 29, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
deeper, more NHL ready etc etc etc
lots of scouts are saying guys pegged to go mid 1st round are comparable to guys 3-6 in the past few draft
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Didn’t they say that this year? Don’t scouts and the kind of people who talk about drafts that are 10 months away say that a lot?
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actually there has been at least slightly more chatter of the sort this year, but yeah, hype machine
the top 5 look really friggen good though
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Also they are saying that the 1st round is gonna be all defenceman
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yeah, lots of good young D, but a lot of high end forwards too
even after the 3 russian kids there are guys like Frk, Gaunce, Samuelsson etc
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Frk on name alone
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by nhlcheapshot on Sep 29, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Frk is probably one of the most talented players this year
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by happiergilmore on Sep 29, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
and lots of scouting reports peg him at the 10-15 range for the draft
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Which is absurd. He’ll be top 8 by June
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by happiergilmore on Sep 29, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
probably, preseason draft rankings are always sily though, remember last years? Cotourier, and Larsson top two guarenteed!
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Larsson went 3rd and Couturier should have been top 2. I can’t believe he slipped that far
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Larsson went 4th
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by happiergilmore on Sep 29, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I dont even think Seguin was pegged top 10 before his last season of jr
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Grasping for straws on this one, but some moron at B******* R***** had Hall and Seguin 2 and 3 behind Kabanov (wtf) in September ’09, so I disagree with you.
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by happiergilmore on Sep 29, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
ive seen some preseason ones that don’t have him in the top 15 even
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
really, that’s interesting. i don’t disagree though, preseason rankings are almost never indicative of june
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by happiergilmore on Sep 29, 2011 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
oh I know, but still, shows how little rankings mean
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah it’s all who that team wants
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by happiergilmore on Sep 29, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Grigorenko is the third
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by happiergilmore on Sep 29, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Murray, Trouba, Ebert, Reinhart, Schmaltz, Maatta, Curcuruto, Rielly, Pouliot, Ceci, Koekkoek, Dumba, Matheson.
13 d-men slated for the first round, hell of a lot of d-men.
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by happiergilmore on Sep 29, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
No they said this past year it was deep on players who could turn into decent NHLers.
This year they’re saying there’s more NHL ready talent through the top 10. But yes there is always unnecessary hype, but the top 5-10 picks of this draft are really freaking good
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by happiergilmore on Sep 29, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
I had heard this past draft (2011) was “deep” as in, not a lot of top talent but you never know what you’ll get further along in the rounds. Then again, I hear that most years.
That said, when people start hyping a draft this early as having a lot of really good players in the first round, it is a bit different than the standard “there is a lot of depth” (i.e. there is not a lot of top talent)
At least that’s how I read it.
by Goosemonster on Sep 29, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
I dunno man, the only people hyping the 2012 draft right now are people who want you to believe every draft is awesome so you check their site a lot.
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Fair enough, though regardless of whether it’s a “good” or “bad” draft, I like to see who the youngins are. Either way, it’s always good to stockpile some draft picks to keep that organizational depth chart going.
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No, I thought it was pretty widely regarded as wide open after the first 7 or 8 picks.
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
That was the name that came to mind for me.
by Self Destructive Zones on Sep 29, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
me too, but not alone for Gunnar
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
well they traded their 2nd rounder to the FLYERS
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by happiergilmore on Sep 29, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree. Although to be honest, I don’t know all that much about Loktionov.
by Self Destructive Zones on Sep 29, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
I’d rather have their first
or deal with a team with more enticing peices
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
I doubt Gunnar gets us a first, but what the hell do I know.
by Self Destructive Zones on Sep 29, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Who knows what kind of crazy deal Burke would do.
Gunnar+? Take back bad salary? It’s a mystery
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by nhlcheapshot on Sep 29, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
LA is going for gusto this year, their first will probably be in the 20s. if they think Gunnar will help them win a cup, i can see something around those two things getting done
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Gunnarsson for who though?
who is worth a 25 year old D man that could be ready to enter his prime?
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by Steve Burtch on Sep 29, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
they just finished
trading away Simmonds, Schenn, etc. who do they have left that we want?
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by Steve Burtch on Sep 29, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
I’d rather talk to Dallas or the Rangers
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Rangers
have a load of C depth… but Richards is injured… I’d gladly take Anisimov…
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by Steve Burtch on Sep 29, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
what about
Forbort, Gibson, etc.
Loktionov isn’t getting any younger… and he isn’t really THAT spectacular so far.
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by Steve Burtch on Sep 29, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Toffoli
would be ok too I guess.
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by Steve Burtch on Sep 29, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Loktionov fits in to the age range along with Kadri and Colborne as the guys following MGK up the development curve.
His AHL production is roughly similar to Kadri’s (55 points in 63 games), and really the only reason he’s not in the NHL is because they added Richards and Gagne.
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Toffoli!
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by nhlcheapshot on Sep 29, 2011 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
His skating is pretty meh from what I’ve heard
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by happiergilmore on Sep 29, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah
but he had 57 goals for Ottawa last year… that’s pretty awesome.
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by Steve Burtch on Sep 29, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
in only 68 games
which is more awesome.
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Yeah that is pretty awesome. Just don’t know how that translates if his skating isn’t there
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by happiergilmore on Sep 29, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
In his past 2 seasons
with the 67’s he has scored 104 goals in only 149 games… think about that for a second (that’s reg. season and playoffs combined).
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that’s pretty insane
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
elite, even
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by happiergilmore on Sep 29, 2011 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
But it’s not necessarily indicative of NHL success.
Corey Locke set the OHL on fire and he only ever got a cup of coffee in the NHL
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by happiergilmore on Sep 29, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Kadri
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by nhlcheapshot on Sep 29, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
/finds
/hits
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by happiergilmore on Sep 29, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Schremp
is a decent point producer in the NHL… he just gets hardly any ice time.
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Well he’s in the SEL now
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http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=71793
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by happiergilmore on Sep 29, 2011 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
the big ice
will kill him… he’s not that great a skater, so his lack of speed will expose him over there.
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by Steve Burtch on Sep 29, 2011 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
he should have done what Locke has done
and become a prime time AHL talent.
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by Steve Burtch on Sep 29, 2011 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
in 114 games
Schremp has produced 20 goals and 54 points, but he’s only averaged 13:51 in ice time.
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by Steve Burtch on Sep 29, 2011 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah except
Locke is only 5’9 and 175 lbs… and his skating is less than marginal for the NHL.
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The larger point is that there’s tons of guys who lit up the OHL but for one reason or another don’t have the necessary tools to be successful in the NHL
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is that really the larger point?
because I thought we were discussing possible trade bait for Gunnarsson…
somehow this has shifted to guys who MAY or may not suck.
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yeppo
it’s not “pretty” insane… it’s fucking crazy insane.
Remember that Tavares kid whose skating is pretty “meh”? 144 games in his final 2 OHL seasons and he only scored 111 goals.
So… 0.70 gpg for Toffoli, and 0.77 gpg for Tavares… He’ll be pretty good if his skating is even NHL marginal.
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You know who hates 1st round picks?
Philly.
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by nhlcheapshot on Sep 29, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
What the hell happened to Oscar Moller?
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by nhlcheapshot on Sep 29, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
got fed up
with not playing in the NHL…
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by Steve Burtch on Sep 29, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
I kind of like Burke’s strategy of “acquire too many dmen then hope some one comes knocking for a trade”
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by nhlcheapshot on Sep 29, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm ok with it
if we get a significant piece.
The problem is we have to give up something good to get something good… so depending on what we give up the player(s) we get back had BETTER BE GOOD.
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by Steve Burtch on Sep 29, 2011 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Agreed. Mainly because it might mean “trading Gunnarson” or so seems to be the buzz these days.
by Self Destructive Zones on Sep 29, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t doubt that Burke is looking for a trade, but if this is really per Pierre LeBrun, how come LeBrun himself isn’t reporting it? Or did I miss something?
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by Draglikepull on Sep 29, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Trading Gunnarsson
isn’t the best idea to my mind… it’s not magical enough from Burke’s perspective.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
It all comes back to…. what do we get in return.
I wouldn’t even know what kind of value Gunnar (or Gunnar+) has on the market right now.
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by nhlcheapshot on Sep 29, 2011 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Assuming it’s impossible to move Finger or Komisarek, Lashoff’s the odd guy out.
Move Lashoff and then you’ve got
Phaneuf, Schenn, Liles, Gunnarsson, Franson, Aulie, and Komisarek with the Leafs;
and Finger, Holzer, Gardiner, Mikus, Blacker, Gysbers, and I’m sure I’m forgetting one or two other guys with the Marlies.
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not really
I think most of our D that we had last year I think was let go… they knew they’d need more room this season.
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- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Sep 29, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Everyone has a price. The team still has to get better.
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Injuries will happen
and this trading discussion may come to nothing.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
or it may accelerate it, glut of D, injured forwards = deal
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I meant D injuries
we haven’t even played a reg. season game yet.
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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Sep 29, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I know, just sayin is all i was sayen
know what im sayen?
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
one good thing I've seen about Burke is
he doesn’t seem to give players away for nothing… he waits until he can get his price… which is good… I don’t see Gunnarsson being traded for peanuts.
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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Sep 29, 2011 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
what if burke’s in the mood for peanuts?
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by happiergilmore on Sep 29, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
then he trades Lebda for the most expensive peanuts on the planet
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
he doesn’t seem to give players away for nothing
Have we already forgotten Joel Champagne?
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by nhlcheapshot on Sep 29, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Who?
Fairweather fans can go to hell
Equal oppurtunity asshole and a proud member of the PPPPP
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Or that jerk Bill Sweatt
/notreallyajerkBurkepulledtheoffer
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by nhlcheapshot on Sep 29, 2011 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
we have other guys who can step in an play well though. the point i think is that we have too man D who seem NHL ready, while still potentially too shallow on skilled forwards.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Sep 29, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Did Ty Wishart get claimed on waivers?
Wasn’t he the ‘big return’ in the Roloson trade?
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He was playing for the Isles the other night against Calgary I believe. Also I think he was part of the deal that sent Roloson to Tampa.
by Self Destructive Zones on Sep 29, 2011 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Whiiich is exactly what you said. Fuck me.
by Self Destructive Zones on Sep 29, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
how has this not ended up here yet? way off topic but I had to share beforei leave for the day
Reasining helps me with matrh!
by elseldo on Sep 29, 2011 12:38 PM EDT reply actions 7 recs
Funny. But baseball.
It is funny to see epic fail in chart form.
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by nhlcheapshot on Sep 29, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
this is why sports are amazing.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Sep 29, 2011 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Because… screw baseball?
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lol red sox
lol braves as well
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Thats a shame
I was looking to see how he played starting the season off. He is a young up and coming rookie with allot of talent and potential.
I heard that the doctor has prescribed him to eat a rack of lamb with bacon cheeseburgers.
I kid and Jest of course ..
I commend him for eating healthy and taking care of his body as a person and an athlete.
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Truth.
I make almost no attempt to curb my eating.
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I usually eat two, regardless of the ‘deal’.
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My savta makes homemade shwarma all the time. Homemade tabouli, hummus, tahini, the works!
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by happiergilmore on Sep 29, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
now I want a Donair
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
obviously not from the east coast
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
My Wife makes awesome Indian Food. ~ No Beef and No Pork. ~ Chicken or Fish only
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What’s with the tilde? She kind of uses no beef and no pork, and it’s kind of chicken or fish only?
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no reason.. I just use it to represent a pause in what I say.
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You are possibly the only person in the (and I use this term loosely) English-speaking world to use a tilde to represent a pause. Try an ellipsis (the three little dots).
a lot of people I know use it
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Yeah, let’s just relax a little, shall we?
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title
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by SkinnyFish on Sep 29, 2011 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
they also use it~
at the end of every line~
with lots of enjambment~
it can get annoying~
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Yeah, I remember when I knew people who used it, but then I turned 16. I’m not trying to be mean, but legit that’s what it reminds me of, girls on MSN in high school.
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I am not 16 anymore!
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I never knew the word for the three little dots.
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I would also use the long dash in one of those situations or brackets.
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commas FTW
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Semi-colons are boss when used correctly; I love them.
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I like them but I always second-guess myself when using them so now I rarely do
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by Berezin's Spleen on Sep 29, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
The third one I think. Whatever it does when you put 2 dashes in word, write a word, then hit space. IIRC its an m-dash vs an n-dash. But I say that with zero confidence.
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yup, m-dash
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You mean an N dash? – (as wide as an N) vs. an M dash — (wide as an M)?
/editorsnerdingout
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by Berezin's Spleen on Sep 29, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
This is correct.
Professional cusser causer.
by T is for Truculence on Sep 29, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Students use them a lot when they hand in school assignments and it drives me bananas.
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Tilde ? isnt that the biker girl from High School who dated that guy that the cops arrested in the cafeteria for possession with intent to distribute ?
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it was a bad joke.
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I’ll take understatements for 200 Alex.
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See .. Now that was funny !
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Tilde – Matilda .. get it .. .Siiigghhhhhh…
EPIC FAIL
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No I am drug free.. only high on the G.O.D.
(Military … cant use drugs)
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hahahahahahahhaa
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Alcohol is a drug.
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Yes.. yes it is.
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So is caffeine, but lets not split hairs because alcohol is awesome.
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by Shield on Sep 29, 2011 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Probably the med student in me
But alcohol destroys a TON of lives.
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but even outside of booze, the use of pot and pain meds is rampant in the military
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
If you say so. Doesn’t surprise me but I have zero knowledge on this. Thought they were often drug tested though?
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not as often as you’d think, usually only if there is a reason for them , like suspected use or a promotion, random drug testing is expensive and time consuming and for the most part, uppers don’t really care as long as it isnt hurting the users performance or potentially damaging to the public view of the organization in question
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
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Where are you basing this off of ? … Military has a ZERO Tolerance on Drug abuse with illegal drugs. Why just July I had a Urinalyses test 3 times in 2 weeks. If you “Burn a Bottle” or turn up hot… Your gone .. PERIOD.
Pain Meds.. yes .. allot of returning vets were given them for their P.T.S.D. .. I was offered them when I got back for my P.T.S.D. but I respectfully declined (Thank GOD I did)
But illegal Narcotics.. ZERO Tolerance .. your DONE, GONE, ADIOS, C-YA, CAREER KILLED. .. I have seen it allot and my base is off of my 20 year military experience .. the use of pot as you say.. is not rampant at all…
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Marijuana isn’t a narcotic
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by clrkaitken on Sep 29, 2011 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Unfortunately I believe LEGALLY it is under the narcotic act (medically/scientifically it is 100% NOT a narcotic).
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In Canada it’s the “Controlled Drugs and Substances Act”, which replaced the Narcotic Control Act.
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Oh cool.
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No idea what the act is called in the US.
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Regardless, its only illegal because a large swathe of people have major misconceptions about it, and because certain politicians who should know better like to look “tough on crime”.
One of the biggest reasons is because it’s so much less acceptable in the US, so if we legalized it or even decriminalized it we would be looked at like the Colombia of Marijuana by the US (even more than now). It would increase border time and security and all that nonsense, etc, etc.
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I wasnt specifying Canadian politicians. Its illegal for the same reasons in the USA too.
There. Is. No. Logical. Reason. For. Marijuana. To. Be. Illegal.
other than it can impair you and cause you to do dangerous things
much like alcohol
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
it’s still a reason why pot should be illegal, also a reason why alcohol should be illegal
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Not really. We can still hold people responsible for their decisions and misuse of a product, rather than just trying to ban that product. Especially considering how ineffective that ban has been (in both cases).
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Anti-drinking and driving campaigns do seem to have lowered the number of drunk driving accidents, so education does appear to work. Prohibition has not.
The plural of "anecdote" is not "data".
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by Draglikepull on Sep 29, 2011 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
never knew a cheese burger could impair me enough so id drive a car on the sidewalk
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Never did I say someone should be driving while impaired, I do think that’s a stupid decision. But it’s not like the illegality of pot deters people from driving while high.
Apart from the odd idiot who goes for a cruise while high, there aren’t a whole lot of things the average stoned person does that can be considered dangerous.
Lighting shit on fire, becoming negligent, etc. Not saying alcohol doesn’t have similar effects, but there are a lot of things that come with impairing mental ability.
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There are logical reasons but they aren’t really scientific reasons. It’s politics.
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Mainly, they haven’t figured out how to impose a profitable tax on legally sold marijuana particularly when faced with the costly effort of putting all the bootleggers out of business first. If they can get over that, legal marijuana may just be found next to your deadly cigarettes and alcohol.
There are a multitude of reasons, I don’t think it’s possible to point out one “main” reason.
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I agree and there is a significant stigma, but with the relaxing of possession laws and the beginings of medicinal, those are going to go away. It’ll be “how can we make money” that drives the legalization more than anything else. If they can’t see that, it’ll remain illegal. My opinion is that the primary reason government of Canada haven’t banned cigarettes despite their known status as a major cause of heart disease, cancer and other health complications which cost the medicare system billions, is the tax revenue from them. That and lobbyists from the US, sadly.
Historically the reason some substances like marijuana and opium became illegal is because they were associated with non-Caucasian ethnic groups. So our drug laws are at least partially rooted in a history of racism.
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by Draglikepull on Sep 29, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
if you are caught
most people in the military arn’t stupid enough to smoke while deployed or on maneuvers or whatever, but plenty smoke it on leave, in their spare time, or what ever
pretending otherwise is silly
lots of careers can be ended by finding out that you smoke pot or abuse pain killers, police officers, paramedics, fire fighters, doctors, nurses, teachers, but every single one has a significant portion of employees who partake in illegal drugs at least semi regularly, pretending other wise is silly
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
but NOT in the MILITARY because there is ZERO tolerance!
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
And everyone knows, strict policy for those caught is totally an effective deterrent!
(For Flyerrob: this is sarcastic)
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LOL funny
but seriously. You cant smoke weed or do coke or do steroids or other narcotics and get away with it in the military.
Zero Tolerance is Zero Tolerance. I have served on Active Duty, National Guard, And Reserves with 20 years in.
This would be like me going up to an NBA player and saying … “Well .. everyone knows that all NBA players are pot heads” .. Knowing I am not an NBA player that would sound crazy.
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yes you can do it and get away with it, if you really believe that everyone who has ever done drugs in the military has been caught and disciplined you are naive to the Nth degree
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I also never said every person in the military was a pot head, just that a decent percentage of people in the military smoke pot or abuse pain meds, just like the general population
do you perform drug tests for the military?
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
This would be like me going up to an NBA player and saying … "Well .. everyone knows that all NBA players are pot heads" .. Knowing I am not an NBA player that would sound crazy.
And yet…
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LOL
sub topic… Along with the Weed allot of people watch porn and drink alcohol. more on this coming up.. Sports and weather are next.
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but not in the military right?
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Jared… Your basing this off of what ? Your Opinion ? What evidence or facts do you have on this ? I, as a military personnel in the US Military, know our drug policy and the Military uses 2 to 10 random drug tests a year. Random is .. well .. random.. there is no way to plan to smoke weed and get away with it on leave or or spare time for 2 main reasons.
Its random
Drugs stay in your system
The people who get caught ~ get tossed. You can’t beat the system.
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I once watched Basic with John Travolta. I know all about narcotics in the military.
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by SkinnyFish on Sep 29, 2011 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
You can’t beat the system.
You can’t honestly think that. I mean, if you got tipoffs from the guy assigning drug screening two weeks in advance, you could easily beat the system.
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ugh… no.
See that would mean A.W.O.L. and it would look suspicious and thats grounds for dismissal of service. Either you test to prove your clean or your out.
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You know that you can stop taking drugs, right? Like, if you smoke weed, then get tested seven to fourteen days later, you’ll pass the drug test.
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what? no it wouldnt, if you know your date two weeks in advance, you stop smoking pot and it will be out of your system
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
pot does not stay in your system very long, neither do pain meds, and I know this because there was a whole course on it at my University that I took that cited studies and stats done by experts in both Canada and the USA
what are YOU basing it on? anecdotal evidence?
and like you said it is RANDOM, meaning the biggest pot head in the world has a chance of never being tested and getting to smoke pot every day
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
We dont test for Pain Meds. lol
Jared .. your not in the military. when I say random.. I mean Random date selected. at least 2 times out of the year everyone is tested.. thats the policy.
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Out of interest, how often in advance do you know when you need to go in for one of those tests?
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never
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So they call you up and say “come get tested right now”?
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“i know you’re in the middle of a combat patrol in iraq, but we need to fly you to the med tent RIGHT NOW for blood tests”
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Jared. please, I know you love to be right all the time or think you are. but, your not in the military, and I am, I think I would know this. the more you try to Argue your point, the more your going to look arrogant and silly. Its like me arguing a point on your profession that I know nothing of and me looking silly.
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your not in the military, and I am
Second section, third bullet point.
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Rob please, I know you can never admit you are wrong without hiding behind your beliefs, but everything you say makes you look silly and naive
just because you are in the army does not mean you know everything about it and what everyone else in the army does
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually, I believe he was a marine… Hopefully the comment flies under the radar cause this mix up gets many roughnecks angry.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Sep 29, 2011 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions
No you have your formation and then they shut the doors and say “Surprise” no one in .. no one out.. take off your top, all jewelry and surrender your ID card and the personnel testing read off the policy and the procedures and they start.
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right, but if you are on a 2 month leave, then you can do what ever the fuck you want for a whole month, they arnt going to call you in for a drug test on a random saturday
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
So, basically, wait until you have some leave booked, and you know there won’t be an issue.
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pretty much, learn the system, learn the holes, have your fun
works like that with every job
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
there are no holes in the military. if they wanted to, they could test you 365 days a year. I knew of an Arabic Interpretor who was from Morroco who turned up hot and they were in the process of doing the paperwork to boot her out and they tested her 3 more times in the next 3 weeks just to prove that she was using and each time (4 times total) she turned up hot and each time she got on the spot demoted and finally dishonorably discharged out of the military.
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well then she is an idiot
just because one person gets caught for being stupid and continuing to use despite continually being tested doesn’t mean everyone is so dense
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
there are no holes in the military.
You can’t really believe that, dude. I mean, there are security holes (alternate), operational failure, and tons of misuse from inefficiencies.
It’s not unpatriotic to treat the military as fallible, Rob. It’s a bureaucracy. It’s bound to be fallible.
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They can always call you back from leave anytime they want. Leave is a privilage .. not a right. .. your a number.. your a$$ belongs to the government dude.
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has it ever happened to you?
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
yes I had leave recinded but for other reasons.
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that is not the question I asked
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
yes
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and you are saying NO one in the military does this?
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
the people that do drugs get caught and get bounced. Surprise ?
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no, of course not, because they got caught, but just because someone doesnt get caught does not mean they are not doing drugs
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
its almost impossible to get away with it. Most of the people (Like myself) err to caution or deter .. like someone else said earlier. the crime is so severe that its a deterrent measure. I am sure there have been maybe a few people in the history of the US Military that may have been lucky and gotten away with it. but as a large whole, I would say over 98% of the military is drug free due to the zero tolerance rule and people either get caught and tossed (regardless of rank and position) or err to caution.
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that is mind bogglingly naive
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I work in a casino.
There is zero tolerance toward members of staff ripping the company off.
There are numerous security procedures in place to prevent such behaviour.
They can – through the use of CCTV – test how honest staff members are at random times. They can search their belongings at any time.
Many members of staff are caught engaging in criminal behaviour. I know this, because I’ve seen a lot of the footage and heard a lot of stories.
Many staff err on the side of caution because they realise how likely they are to be caught.
Does this mean I think people haven’t got away with theft, collusion, cheating or doing drugs on the premises (to name but a few offences)?
No.
No. Not even in the face of Armageddon. Never compromise.
The people who do drugs and don’t get caught don’t get bounced.
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I don’t think he understand what zero tolerance means
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well i mean the police have zero tolerance for murder, so of course murders never go unsolved and everyone who commits murder gets put in jail!
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes Bower they can call you and tell you you need to report to a specific location and time without telling you why. Its called Military.
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how many times have you been called in from leave or a combat patrol for random drug testing?
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
You’ve answered the same question differently now. To keep it simple:
Have you ever gotten called in for drug testing while on leave?
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No I have not bower.. my good friend whom I grew up with who was a Major in the Air National Guard, was called up while home on Christmas Leave and told to report. He Flew C-5 Galaxies (Biggest airplane the Military has) He went in … they did a random drug test because he flew to allot of places in the world that had heavy drug Trafficking, they also did a surprise Vaccination with the Anthrax Vaccine shots the same day after the drug test. .. SO .. no not me directly .. but it happens.
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so what you are saying is that, say you did smoke pot on your last leave, you would not have been caught for it?
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Often they give you a drug test 24 hours on return from leave. I got one when I flew back to Germany after my Thanksgiving leave.
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and how long was that leave? did they do hair testing?
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
10 days
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so that is a poor example of a time frame to smoke pot, someone who was doing it casually would be stupid to attempt it
If you have actually been reading my comments you will note that I am talking about weeks or months of leave, you also ignored the question about hair testing, do they just do piss tests?
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Okay, I’ve had enough of this.
Rob, if the military has a zero tolerance policy on drugs, and discharges anyone caught taking drugs, how is your claim that no one in the military does drugs remotely possible?
You’ve SAID YOURSELF that people caught by random drug tests are disciplined and often kicked out of the military for it. But they were still in the military when they did the drugs that got them kicked out.
So some people in the military must do drugs, otherwise nobody would have ever been kicked out of the military for doing durgs!
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by clrkaitken on Sep 29, 2011 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Once again, you just listed a bunch of reasons why he was specifically targeted for this. He flew planes, he went to countries where there are a lot of drugs, etc.
Flugenweb, space code, twit zone, ass mode, check ze tweets.
I gave those list of reasons but the military doesnt have to have a reason. your in the military .. you dont have the rights that civilians do. you belong to them. they can at any time, and often do, drug test you for whenever they want . you belong to them.
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I never said they have to have a reason, but in both the cases you’ve cited they had reasons to specifically target the person they did for random drug testing due to their role/where they’d been/past history.
Flugenweb, space code, twit zone, ass mode, check ze tweets.
Our (my) point is that with an understanding of the system and careful planning, even you could have smoked marijuana and not been caught. As such, you can’t really say with any authority whether or not people do or don’t smoke pot, because they could do this same trick in practice, rather than in theory, and not get caught.
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ding ding ding
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
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again .. the ramifications that are severe punishment .. career ender .. deters people to even want to be silly enough to try to get away with it.
Its like Robbing a bank, or working with an Armored Car company and trying to rob them, .. they have put such great measures to catch you that it deters you, maybe once in a blue moon a person robs a bank or a money career for an armored truck may get away with robbing this but almost always they get caught .. its the same thing with weed or pot smokers in the military.. they have gone thru severe measures to catch and prevent it that almost always you get caught. Heck one guy was on the D.A.R.E. Program and he was caught. (Idiot) and bounced out of the Military after 9 years in and serving in IRAQ and then stripped of all his Military Benefits for the rest of his life. … This is why it does not exist in the military as you may think it does
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I worked for an armoured car company for over 5 years, during that time frame, in Ontario and Quebecl alone there were over 20 armoured car robberies at least 15 were inside jobs of some sort, there were also well over 10, 000 cases of money going missing very few lead to convictions or even arrests
but hey, those deterrents work!
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
deters people to even want to be silly enough to try to get away with it.
No it doesn’t. If criminals thought they would get caught, they wouldn’t commit a crime. The people who get caught are the ones who screw up. They do it because they don’t think they’re going to screw up. They see the same gap in the system that Jared and I have highlighted (that you can spend the last 2 weeks of leave detoxing and probably be fine). Maybe they screw up – maybe they get called in, maybe they take too long to detox, maybe they smoke too late.
This isn’t to advocate smoking pot or anything – it’s illegal, and you would lose your job. It’s just to say that it’s silly to suggest that very few people smoke marijuana just because very few people get caught.
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stop being such a dillweed Bower Power, you sound so arrogant
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Why don’t you test for pain medication when OXycontin is a synthesized version of heroin?
Doesn’t that defeat the purpose of drug testing?
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they test for PCP, THC, Meth, Cocaine, herion. You also have to have your prescription information on you at all times so when you get random tested. you disclose it.
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If you had your prescription information on you at all times and were captured, wouldn’t they immedaitely know how to kill you?
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do you realize how cynically sarcastic you sound saying that cirkaitken ? if thats what you were aiming for, you succeeded
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Actually heroin is a synthesized drug too…
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so wait, you dont test for pain meds? then how do you know people dont abuse them with regularity? especially those not prescribed them?
and like i said before, you can smoke pot in april on leave and be clean by the time you are deployed in June
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Pot actually DOES stay in your system a long time. It stays on average 3-6 weeks in blood tests and until you cut of the hair it grew from.
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most places don’t do hair tests as they are unreliable (unless that has changed in the past 5 years)
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
So in the military it wouldn’t be in your hair long unless they do a pube test or something?
Flugenweb, space code, twit zone, ass mode, check ze tweets.
Drugs stay in your system for a short period of time, not forever.
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not true. it depends on the drug. often they latch onto fatty adipose tissue and can stay in your system for a month or so.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Sep 29, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
not pot
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
are you sure? i was pretty sure it did…
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Sep 29, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Pot does. How much / how long depends on frequency of usage, height, and weight, but I’ve never heard of anyone having a problem after 2 weeks.
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no no. the levels are much too low in the bloodstream to have any effect on the brain
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Sep 29, 2011 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, I’m not talking about effect on the brain. Talking about detection. I’ve been told it can cling to fat cells, meaning you could test positive for some period of time afterwards, but I’ve never heard of it being an issue for anyone who stopped smoking two weeks prior to being tested.
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yeah that sounds about right.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Sep 29, 2011 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I am also not saying pot should be illegal, just that there are “reasons” other than politics that some might think it should be
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
personally, i would prefer not to have to walk around talking to a bunch of stoned people all day, and having public spaces smell like skunk all the time.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Sep 29, 2011 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Nor would I want our national safety with weapons that can kill you left in the hands of a bunch of stoners or addicts.
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Unless they’re addicted to alcohol, in which case it’s okay.
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or cigarettes
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
depending on where you are that happens now
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I know. when i lived in Toronto it was frequent enough to become annoying.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Sep 29, 2011 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Ugh .. man I hope you decide to go and persue law and be an attorney because you just love argue. Your never wrong are you. The Military goes thru great measures to ensure that that does not happen and maybe there are a few small amount of people who slipp thru but 95 % of the time that does not happen at all. .. anyways.. I dislike arguing with people about my profession to which they know very little about. .. I am off to help an 83 yr old man and a 72 yr old woman get some insurance coverage and make some money.
You sir, have a wonderful day ! Enjoy the sunshine (its sunny here at least)
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The Military goes thru great measures to ensure that that does not happen and maybe there are a few small amount of people who slipp thru but 95 % of the time that does not happen at all.
If they slip through then how do you know? The whole point of slipping through is that nobody found out.
Flugenweb, space code, twit zone, ass mode, check ze tweets.
bye, thanks for not proving your point at all and once again ignoring everything but your own voice
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
looks cool. what language is the other part and what does it say translated into English?
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Your right Jared.. there are Stoners in the Military . Ok.. Happy .. Your right . your always right… whatever broah ! You can be such a dillweed .. you are one tough guy on the Internet aint ya? and super Arrogant. Lord give me Strength.
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stop insulting me
TROLL TROLL ALERT
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Coming from you .. This is ironic
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do you even know what Ironic means?
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Or a free ride when you’ve already paid?
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Sep 29, 2011 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
and for the record, I am exactly the same way in person
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I weigh more than you do beardo
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
well considering my dads poor health with two TIA’s in the last 12 months (mini Strokes) and that he broke his back in 1977 and has had 3 spinal fusion operations.. Probably not my dad.
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It’s a reference to a blog-joke. I didn’t mean for it to get personal. Or sad.
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well since i shaved today, your beard probably does weigh more than mine
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
not wise
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hahahahaha, that’s a worse insult than dillweed
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t know too many 40 year olds who use the word “Dill-weed”
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I Try not to curse. So I use allot of odd words like Dillweed or Wingnut or What the Fudge, Cheese-its, Dang it .. stuff like that
Zoinks, Jinkies even
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That is incorrect.
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Below you said that Marijuana does stay in the system, and above you said I was incorrect when I said that pot stays in the system.
If you’re referring to the second part, I should’ve been more specific. I’ve never heard of anyone having problems with a urine test two weeks after. Yes, hair analysis would’ve been a tip off, but I’ve been lead to believe hair analysis is expensive and is rarely done for general screening.
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You are incorrect Jared. Marijuana is fat soluble and stays in teh system for a long time.
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Dont tell him he is incorrect.. dont you know he is never wrong.
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hey rob, when have you ever been incorrect on here? according to you never
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
that’s what i thought as well. it’s also the same reason it permeates the blood-brain barrier so easily.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Sep 29, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
yes it stays in your system roughly about a month. I have gone thru a course on how to administer Urinalysis testing in the Military and I have also been a tester. Even as a tester (dude who follows the dude into the stall with the cup) you dont know when its going to be .. they come up and say .. “SSG Wilson .. your going to be helping SFC Ramirez and CPT Anderson giving the Drug Test.”
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if it stays in your system roughly a month, then how did my friend, who is in the military, smoke pot for a whole night, then 3 weeks later pass a piss test wifh flying colours and not get booted out of the army?
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
1. I cant answer for your friend (don’t know him or if he exists or if this situation existed so I cannot answer for someone or something I know nothing about.
2. or for the Canadian Military (I dont know their Drug Policy since I am in the U.S. Army.)
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1- he exists
2- he is the American army
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Based on 20 years of military experience … I highly doubt that.
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based on watching him smoke all the pot and then not getting kicked out of the army, I don’t
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
most measures of detection aren’t 100% accurate. in fact, they tend to err on the side of false-negatives than false-positives, meaning the concentration would have to be fairly high.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Sep 29, 2011 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
but the system is perfect! PERFECT! NO ONE GETS THROUGH
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
well that’s just not true.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Sep 29, 2011 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I have gone thru a course on how to administer Urinalysis testing in the Military and I have also been a tester.
ding, ding, ding, we have the underlying conflict of interest.
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Why do you guys continue to Feed the Flyerrob? WHY??!!!
I had something really clever to say here. But I forgot.
because he wont go away
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I ignored him for 3+ months and he never went away
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
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Because I made all this popcorn…
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by clrkaitken on Sep 29, 2011 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
LOL
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its not a conflict of interest. its showing that I have gone thru the course that is required and I was following orders. Since I am an E-6 .. it comes generally with the position. .. Look .. Do I go to your guys work and argue about how you do your work and that I know your job? no…
So ..
why are you doing this with me.
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because you are ignoring logical points with a wave of your hand and if in fact you did do urinalysis tests and someone might have snuck by you using the techniques we have described that you failed in your job of pee testing
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
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Its funny Jared.. You always say things like this .. like I ignore logical points… when people other than me on here have told you that your wrong about the length of time that the pot stays in your system .. You ignore it.. yet you say that I am ignoring logical points.
who is a person going to believe .. a person who is not in the military .. or someone with 20+ years in ?
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who is a person going to believe .. a person who is not in the military .. or someone with 20+ years in ?
The one with the more compelling argument.
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by Bower Power on Sep 29, 2011 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
LOL.. thats called Civil Court where its preponderance of the evidence where you only need 51% to persuade and win. thats Compelling argument and not factual.
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so far you have presented no facts, just opinion, seems like civil court to me
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
here is your facts.
Now try not to read and pick out what you want to support your agenda.
http://usmilitary.about.com/od/theorderlyroom/l/bldrugtests.htm
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where is the fact about 95% of the military being drug free?
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Ladies and gentlemen: the average american voter.
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I’m not going to believe someone with an obvious bias and inability to accept outside opinion, that’s for sure
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
!
I give up . .. Your right Jared .. were all stoners in the military.. were all mad on the wacky weed.
Later. 
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yup, that is exactly what I said
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
where is your evidence to back up this opinion …
the use of pot and pain meds is rampant in the military
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while I will concede that rampant might have been a little over zealous a word to use, i was not the one pulling percentages out of his ass
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions
oh now your changing your story that its not rampant ? so how much is it then ? If not rampant.. is it fairly common .. or is it miniscule… Which is it now Jared ?
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I bet you watch a lot of Fox News.
Conceding a point isn’t the same as changing the story.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conflict_of_interest
I don’t think you’re honestly considering the possibility that someone could pass through drug screening, because you were involved in the drug screening process. I’m not questioning whether or not you took the required course.
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no, not forever.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Sep 29, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
K. That’s how FLYERROB was making it sound.
Just checking
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yeah, an infrequent smoker has a few tokes and its out of his system in a weekish, a guy who smokes a joint a day, closer to three weeks
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
If you smoke 4-5 times a month you are looking at a 1-2 week period to clear your system (more if you have lots of fat, less with less fat). If you are a daily smoker you are looking at 3-6 weeks.
Hair on the other hand is a much longer time.
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I NEVER SAID such thing.. Never said pot stays in your system forever.. read above quotes.
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Randy: I can’t get stoned, Ricky.
Ricky: What do you mean? It’s shitty work. Everybody does that, all right? Carpenters, electricians, dishwashers, floor cleaners, lawyers, doctors, fuckin’ politicians, CBC employees, principals, people who paint the lines on the fuckin’ roads, get stoned, it’ll be fun, get to work!
by Tickle Me Aulie on Sep 29, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
another View point from the U.S. Military
just asked my FRIEND who’s a U.S. Marine, according to him, yes people in the military use drugs, even the ones who get TESTED. He laughed out loud when I said someone said no one ever does DRUGS in the military. When he was on reserves he said he was only tested Once in 5 years.
by Nigel Cadbury on Sep 29, 2011 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
but does this person exist?
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
A fun story
My uncle was a Marine during Vietnam stationed at a firebase. (Basically a base of Howitzers pointed off in every direction ready to bring support to troops in the field.) Any who, one day him and a buddy decide to smoke some pot, and so to not get caught they decide that behind some sandbag barricade directly under the barrel of one of the Howitzers was a good place to do it. Well wouldn’t you know it, a fire mission was called in and the Howtizer went off right over their heads. He’s been deaf in his left ear ever since.
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he’d have to, to have a brother in vietnam!
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Skinny .. Really ? Vietnam ? 1960’s ? were talking about today.
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it’s called an anecdote Rob, had nothing to do with arguing either side of the point
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly. If you spoke into his left ear today, he wouldn’t be able to hear you.
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by SkinnyFish on Sep 29, 2011 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
well tell him thank you and I can sympathize with him I have significant hearing loss and Tinitus (Ringing in the ears) from a few road side bombs.
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Once in 5 years huh ?
http://usmilitary.about.com/od/theorderlyroom/l/bldrugtests.htm
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yes, once in 5 years, his unit was tested, while he was on reserves.
by Nigel Cadbury on Sep 29, 2011 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
So according to him, his unit violated the policy thats in place and regulated by DOD ?
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looks like it, but hey! no one in the military ever breaks the rules!
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Probably the law student in me
But alcohol is REALLY awesome.
Flugenweb, space code, twit zone, ass mode, check ze tweets.
I like the Taste of beer but I dont drink to get Chitfaced any more. I am going to be 40 soon.. Not into that anymore.
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mirtle Leafs will start Gustavsson tomorrow and Reimer on Saturday.
No Scrivens. Not surprising, but I was hoping.
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agreed. i want to see what the kid can do, but it’s probably good that both Gus and Reim are ready to go.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Sep 29, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, even more than as an expose’ for my sake, it would be nice to get him some notes from playing against NHL talent. There’s a good chance he plays at least one game this season, and I would rather it not be his very first against an NHL team.
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CRIPES!!
I am going to the game tomorrow and I was hoping to see Reimer in net (my seats are in the 14th row behind the visitor’s goal). I kind of had a feeling this would happen with the home-and-home games.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Sep 29, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
So uh
Anyone still disappointed that we didn’t take Rocco Grimaldi?
Not followin' @JPNikota on Twitter? Oh, you better believe that's a paddlin'.
never have been, call me in 3 years when we have a better idea how good the kids actually are
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes and no
I dont give a shit what he says as long as he performs on the ice.
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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Nothing’s really changed yet, has it?
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by nhlcheapshot on Sep 29, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Did he do something new?
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He had a series of tweets about how girls should cover up and not show their bodies. The kid seems uptight.
well he’s uber-christian isn’t he? He was tweeting about Jesus a lot.
by Goosemonster on Sep 29, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Also, I’m hoping Jiri “NSFW” Tlusty gets traded to Florida to make Grimaldi uncomfortable with all kinds of casual nudity.
by Peter Lynn on Sep 29, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I changed my mind: I want Grimaldi traded to Vancouver so he has to sit in the penalty box and stare at that flasher’s naked breasts all the time. (Also, I want her to be given season tickets and a lifetime supply of wine coolers.)
Got a bit preachy, blamed women for looking attractive. Puck Daddy has the story.
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Sounds like dude has issues. Reminds me of Russel Hantz’s nephew that is one Survivor right now.
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Another relative of Russel Hantz?
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by GreatKingRat on Sep 29, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
this kid is a PR nightmare waiting to happen if / when he makes pro.
by pho king awesome on Sep 29, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
ELITE DISCUSSION CONTINUED FROM ABOVE
I re-did the Hockey-Reference table. This is all forwards, min 150 GP over the past three seasons, sorted by PPG. 311 forwards qualify.
If we say the top 5% are the “elite” players, as draglikeputi suggested, then that gives us 15-16 players.
The Top 16 PPG scorers over the past 3 seasons, in order:
Crosby, Ovechkin, D Sedin, Malkin, H Sedin, St. Louis, Getzlaf, Semin, Backstrom, Datsyuk, B Richards, Parise, Perry, Thornton, Gaborik, Kovalchuk
I would suggest that this is your current list of “Elite” NHL Forwards
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B Richards, Parise
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by nhlcheapshot on Sep 29, 2011 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
WHERES THOMAS VANEK!?!?!?!
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Elite point producers, right? Cause some of those guys only play in half of the rink.
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I hope YouTube comes down to film this.
I’d separate wingers and centres because they play slightly different roles, but that generally seems to be pretty accurate to me.
The plural of "anecdote" is not "data".
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by Draglikepull on Sep 29, 2011 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
There’s an inherent flaw in that with certain guys who switch positions.
The original spreadsheet with just centres only had two years of data for Marleau vs three years for everyone else. My guess would be because they considered him a winger one year.
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Fair enough. I just think that when teams go looking to fill a roster spot, they’re generally looking for a winger or a centre, not either/or.
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by Draglikepull on Sep 29, 2011 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Last 2 seasons, min 120 GP
271 names, therefore our top 5% is 14 names.
Crosby, D Sedin, Ovechkin, H Sedin, St. Louis, Stamkos, B Richards, Getzlaf, Perry, Backstrom, Kane, Selanne, Semin and Thornton.
Once again, the cut-off happens right at 1.00 ppg. Gotta say, looks like Drafglikeputi nailed the PPG requirement.
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B Richards
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by nhlcheapshot on Sep 29, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I think its pretty damn close
But I would consider including Stamkos (as he suffers from an 18 year old rookie season) and Toews who brings in more than just his offense.
As a matter of fact people thought I was an idiot a couple months back for saying that Backstrom may be better than Toews.
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You could say the same about half the guys on this list. Unless you’ve got a defensive metric that doesn’t require subjectivity to use alongside points-per-game, then “elite”, especially among forwards, should favour offensive output.
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Otherwise, let’s just call Datsyuk, Kesler and whoever else gets nominated for the Selke “elite” and be done with it
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i think the player has to at least be ok defensivly, or so good offensivly where it doesnt matter (ovie)
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
And Malkin!
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Malkin is better defensivly than given credit for, but he is better suited to the wing anyways
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m all hears for how, but I’m not accepting anecdotal evidence (I.e., “He’s okay defensively”)
At the very least, like birky pointed out, it’s a list of elite offensive players.
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well there is a reason no one is mentioning Kaberle or Mike Green as elite defenders
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
It starts with Great Goaltending and Great Defense. I agree with you.
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Or
Mitchell, John Fucking.
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Champange, Joel could make this list one day
by pho king awesome on Sep 29, 2011 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
when age is taken into consideration, Selanne is elite too
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I tried to do it by position (the top 4-6 for each skater position)
warning mine is completely subjective:
Something like:
Crosby, Stamkos, Malkin, H Sedin, (maybe Toews or Backstrom?)
LW:
Ovechkin, D Sedin, Kovi, Parise, (maybe Nash?)
RW:
Iginla, Perry, St Louis, Kane, (Gaborik potentially could have been if he could stay healthy and Selanne if he can continue to be an ageless wonder).
D:
Keith, Doughty, Pronger, Chara, Lidstrom, Weber
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missing Datsyuk as a C
also goalies – Miller, Lundquist Vokun and Thomas with Luongo, Ward and Price knocking on the door
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s not as simple as saying Top 5 by position, because the Top 8 centres are probably better than the 5th best winger
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I realized that as I wrote it
You’re definitely right. Datsyuk is better than Kane/Perry/etc.
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Just got offered Wisniewski for Fowler in my fantasy league…
No deal, right?
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no deal, Fowler is going to make a lot of teams look silly this year for passing over him
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Dylan McILOL
Eric LOLbrandson
Jack CampbLOL
Not to mention, I dont think Anaheim gives us Gardiner if they dont have Fowler
Im pretty sure Fowler will be the 2nd – 4th best player in that draft
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Hmmm…
Hall, Seguin, Skinner, Fowler are probaby the short list at this point. You may be on to something.
G A Pts +/- PPP SHP FW Shots Hits Blocks, think that’s it
Keeper yes, dynasty league
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by Chris Stoikoff on Sep 29, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
If he wasn’t missing 10% of the year I’d say take it. But with that suspension reject.
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Yeah, that 8 game suspension for Wiz is going to kill me in PPPPP2. My main strength was on defence.
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by Draglikepull on Sep 29, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
My defense is:
Shea Weber
Dion Phaneuf
Cam Fowler
Mark Giordano
Alexander Edler
Tomas Kaberle
Dmitry Kulikov(bn)
Travis Hamonic (bn once he clears waivers tomorrow)
It’ definitely my strength.
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by Chris Stoikoff on Sep 29, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
How big is your roster?
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30 players
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by Chris Stoikoff on Sep 29, 2011 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Thats a lot of D
What do you have 4 G, 8 D and 18 forwards?
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C: Ryan Getzlaf
Rich Peverley
Jarret Stoll
Brian Boyle
Nathan Gerbe
Mike Santorelli
Matthew Lombardi (once he clears waivers)
Marcus Johansson
LW: Alexander Ovechkin
Ryane Clowe
James Neal
Dustin Penner
Pierre-Marc Bouchard (RW or LW)
Matt Cooke
RW: David Backes
Chris Stewart
Michael Grabner
Brian Gionta
D: Shea Weber
Dion Phaneuf
Cam Fowler
Mark Giordano
Alexander Edler
Tomas Kaberle
Dmitry Kulikov
Travis Hamonic (waivers)
Jake Gardiner
G: Kari Lehtonen
Dwayne Roloson
Craig Anderson
18 forwards, 9 defensemen, 3 goaltenders
Sometimes it seems this cycle never ends, we slide from top to bottom then we turn and climb again.
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by Chris Stoikoff on Sep 29, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Is Kulikov really that valuable?
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by Chris Stoikoff on Sep 29, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
No but if you’ve got Fowler and Gardiner he’s redundant
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Should I be looking for a one-for-one swap? I might be able to pry away someone like Tim Connolly relatively easily but if I’m chasing a top guy I’d have to add something to the deal and I have no idea how I’d go about doing that
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by Chris Stoikoff on Sep 29, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
It kind of depends on what the specific rules are, and what other people are interested in.
But basically, I don’t see a reason to keep Kulikov and Fowler, especially when you have one on the bench and you still have Gardiner.
Kulikov’s probably most valuable to someone looking for long-term help
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Well I offered Kulikov for Conolly straight up, we’ll see if he takes it. Now I have to look at addressing my goaltending because while none of them are bad they’re not going to win me many categories
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by Chris Stoikoff on Sep 29, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
12 team league, 30 players each. I made my defense a priority in the pre-rankings but screwed up my centers by not ranking enough good ones
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by Chris Stoikoff on Sep 29, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
So I assume you think that’s a pretty solid defence core too, it’s too bad my centres after Ryan Getzlaf drop off off to Rich Peverley, Jarret Stoll, and Brian Boyle with a few middling plugs on the bench
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by Chris Stoikoff on Sep 29, 2011 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
No I meant 30 player teams. You’re picking 3rd liners at that point. Ours is 16 teams, 15 players, 9-4-2, with no bench and weekly settings.
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Yeah it’s a ridiculously deep league, and for my first fantasy draft ever it’s getting kind of confusing
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by Chris Stoikoff on Sep 29, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Purs is 16 teams with I believe 19 player rosters. Makes for some interesting roster decisions later on in the draft.
The plural of "anecdote" is not "data".
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by Draglikepull on Sep 29, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Wait, we have the same as you, 9-4-2, but it’s a 3 player bench.
The plural of "anecdote" is not "data".
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by Draglikepull on Sep 29, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ve seen the rest of your roster. Get a better forward out of whoever’s making you this trade, and try to shove a goalie swap in there with him too.
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In non keeper without the suspension I’d probably do it. Vizhnovski will get more points than Fowler, and Wiz is the go to guy behind Nash and Carter.
Confused why people think Aulie is better than Gunnarson. Please ask me to explain
Certified Gunnar & Kule lover!
The only way I deal Fowler is in some sort of a deal with a top center coming back
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by Chris Stoikoff on Sep 29, 2011 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Then keep Fowler and use Kulikov to get you help elsewhere
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The guy who offered me this deal doesn’t have the greatest centers. He’s starting John Tavares, Joe Pavelski, Ryan Johanssen, and Alex Burmistrov and has Sidney Crosby and Peter Holland on his bench
I have no idea what players are worth so I don’t even know where to begin looking for a C…
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by Chris Stoikoff on Sep 29, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Someone is trying to bulldoze a shed on the property that my apartment overlooks
They’ve been at it a while, and it looks like fun, but they’re getting nowhere fast.
Not followin' @JPNikota on Twitter? Oh, you better believe that's a paddlin'.
Are there really that many steps to bulldozing a shed?
1. Turn on Bulldozer
2. Drive forward over shed
3. Check to make sure nobody was inside
…hmmmm, maybe swap 2 and 3.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Sep 29, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Hahah
The bulldozer just looks too small, and he’s backing up and ramming the thing repeatedly.
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go tell him to use fire, fire is the cleanser
then bulldoze the ash
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
No
I think i’d rather watch this thing collapse on him while he’s inside.
Not followin' @JPNikota on Twitter? Oh, you better believe that's a paddlin'.
fair enough, can’t say i blame you
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
he’s backing up and ramming the thing repeatedly
I assume the plow is on the back of this bulldozer? Otherwise, I may have figured out why he’s having problems.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Sep 29, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
No, he’s got the plow raised high into the air, and he seems to be trying to take out the ceiling beams.
Not followin' @JPNikota on Twitter? Oh, you better believe that's a paddlin'.
Oh, I see. I misunderstood. I thought he was ramming the shed as he was backing up — not backing up and then ramming the shed. I thought that he may have problems if the plow was actually on the front of the bulldozer.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Sep 29, 2011 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Practice with a twist. Maple Leafs fight school
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Sep 29, 2011 2:54 PM EDT reply actions
fighting is a skill
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
FLYERROB: I like you. I’m trying hard. You’ve got to drop the morals act. This is a site to discuss the Toronto Maple Leafs and hockey and sometimes we get side tracked.
It seems lately that every time you’re here there’s a debate on God or drugs or loose women or something and I think we have to do something.
If you can’t keep on topic about hockey I’m not sure this is the right place for you. You’re entitled to your opinions but more and more it seems like the world vs. you in here and plenty of regulars have asked that we get rid of these debates every single day.
If you can talk about the Toronto Maple Leafs we’ll continue to welcome you with open arms.
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by Chemmy on Sep 29, 2011 4:05 PM EDT reply actions 9 recs
welp, glad I spent time writing that up
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by Chemmy on Sep 29, 2011 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I still love you
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I think SoCal has made you soft. What happened to the “take no prisoners” Chemmy I once knew?
The First Certified Grabbo Lover
he’s stoned, just like everyone in the military!
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
from up north all cal is socal
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
you’ve changed man, you used to be about the music!
by Nigel Cadbury on Sep 29, 2011 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions
to be fair to Flyerrob, he mentioned god (but to no one in particular) and said something about not using drugs because of the military.
both of those comments were pretty innocuous. it could have died there. others kind of spurred him on…
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Sep 29, 2011 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s hilarious that that entire thread spiralled because no one could understand what he was posting about.
Cynically Sarcastic
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1000 comments!
Original member of the Mike Weber bandwagon!
To make up for lost time, the Sabres signed six seasons worth of front-loaded cap skirting contracts in one week.
…. IS WAY TOO MANY
Original member of the Mike Weber bandwagon!
To make up for lost time, the Sabres signed six seasons worth of front-loaded cap skirting contracts in one week.
lot of reading for a flyers fan eh?
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 29, 2011 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Chemmy might fnd this funny
"That’s why I say he’s the toughest guy on our team. You can’t hurt him, he’s like a Weeble.
Ron Wilson on Grabovski
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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I find lots of things funny, but why me in particular?
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I am deeply sorry for mixing you up with PPP. I’ll understand if you ban me for life.
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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by leafer1984 on Sep 29, 2011 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Weebles wobble but they don’t fall down.
And it was PPP who loved those posts.
The First Certified Grabbo Lover
Ohhhhhhhhhhh my bad.
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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I mean, I liked those posts too.
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I have a ManCrush on Grabbo .. Grabbo and Mark Recchi are my Fav NHL’ers that are Non FLYERS .. thats why I have Grabbo on my fantasy team. I wish he was a FLYER
FLYERROB ! YOU STAY AWESOME FLYERS FANS ! ~ ~ ~ Lori Wilson Gray ~ ~ April 07th 1967 - May 27th 2011 ~ May you rest in Peace ~ I love you and miss you big Sis ! I cant believe at 44 yrs of age .. you went to sleep and never woke up. I promise to take care of Matt and Emily for you. With Love, your baby Brother.
There appears to be a problem with your shift key. Get some “Air in a Can”. If that doesn’t work, try removing the key, cleaning the back of it and then putting it back in.
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by SkinnyFish on Sep 29, 2011 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
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