Behind Enemy Lines (Language Warning)
We were sitting on a wooden terrace overlooking several acres of untouched and unspoiled shoreline with the whitecaps of the St. Lawrence River in the background. And, if you squinted just slightly, you could see the northern shore across the water. Kind of.
"This has to be one of the best-kept secrets in all of Canada," I remarked to my friend Sylvain.
"In Quebec," he corrected.
I finished the last of my beer and reached for another. "Yeah, but it's up there with other beauties in Canada."
"No," he corrected again. More seriously he added, "This is Quebec. It has nothing to do with Canada."
At this point, I simply nodded and swallowed my rebuttal. There was no need to mention two failed Referendums or point out that Quebec is a province in the Dominion of Canada. Truly, the Bas-Saint-Laurent (or Lower Saint Lawrence) is a pretty place to visit but the tourists see it more as a stopping point on the way to the more picturesque Gaspesie.
An important question at this juncture: WTF does this have to do with the Leafs?
Glad you asked. You see, there's been a plethora of news items over the past two weeks--those ridiculous Quebec Nationalists protesting the Canadiens about not having enough Quebecois players, the Tim "I am Flat Like a Ken Doll" Baines article in the Ottawa Sun suggesting that Leafs fans "blew it" in the All-Star voting. And some discussion in different comments about "true" rivalries (Leafs/Habs or Leafs/ Red Wings). A recent DownGoesBrown article also inspired me to come up with this.I am an individual of few words--especially here on PPP. I've never been fond of writing sarcasm or posting GIFs because I would rather shit myself laughing at something someone else posted than be mocked or ridiculed for posting something myself. So, few words is one thing. I was born in Nova Scotia, I've been living in Rimouski, Quebec for close to six years now. My wife is Quebecoise, my kids were born here and speak both English and French (well, one does... the other is still shitting herself and regurgitating breast milk).
For a Leafs fan this deep in enemy territory, it's often difficult to come by Leafs games if they aren't shown on TSN or CBC.ca although there are other methods of obtaining these games despite being very illegal. In other words, I am saddled with more Montreal Canadiens news items than Maple Leafs. And even beyond that, thanks to the new TVA Sports channel with Georges Laraque, Dave Morissette and Enrico Ciccone providing analysis of Ottawa Senators games, my beloved Leafs fall to third in terms of television coverage. (Imagine neanderthals attempting to have an intelligent discussion about hockey).
For my fellow brothers in blue, I wanted to give you a glimpse into some of my experiences in dealing with Habs fans and the dubious things said about both the Leafs and the Leafs/Habs rivalry from folks here in La Belle Province.
As sampled in the exchange with my friend Sylvain ahead of the jump, this was my very first experience talking to someone who believes Quebec is an entity unto itself and therefore is not a part of Canada. This is part of the mindset of a lot of people who consider themselves Sovereignists/Separatists. Let's be clear: not everybody in Quebec is like this. I've met my fair share of HarperHumpers and Liberals and as we learned last May, the NDP were the average Quebecer's choice for Parliament. This doesn't directly impact hockey but culturally speaking, there is an undercurrent of nationalism that does exist and if you listen closely, it's there.
My neighbours are easy targets but they are the most benign of Habs fans. We live on a quiet street with a cul-de-sac and the neighbours to our left are both retired and very, very friendly folks. Whenever I'm out shovelling my driveway and wearing my Leafs toque, Jean-Paul may threaten to blow snow from his driveway onto mine but only in a joking sense. They don't have grandchildren and therefore spoil my son to no end. As well, you can set your watch to seeing ol' JP in his living room watching Canadiens games on RDS. I asked him about the Cunneyworth situation recently and his response? "It doesn't matter as long as they're winning," he responded. "But the correct thing would have been to fire Gauthier and bring in someone who CAN build a winning team--French or English."
My other neighbour is slightly more rigid in terms of his hockey attitudes. He has a son who plays in the LHDAA (Ligue de Hockey de Developpement AA, Est-du-Quebec) as a goaltender and they both routinely make the 12-hour roundtrip drive about 2-4 times annually to see games at the Bell Centre in Montreal. He and his son are both massive Habs fans although they will continue to cheer and support their team even when the Canadiens are in the shitter. Kinda like us Leafs fans. And therein lies their redeeming quality, even as dirty Habs fans.
Anyway, both neighbours are very nice and the back-and-forth about Leafs/Habs is now something I look forward to whenever I talk to them.
There's a darker side being a Leafs fan in Quebec, however. About a year ago, I was in Montreal visiting the sister company of a small tech firm (which I no longer work for) in Ville Saint-Laurent. I drove there with my colleague who is a hardcore Habs fan and we stopped outside of Montreal for gas. It was winter, it was cold, I put my Leafs toque on and started pumping some gas.
A few moments passed before I heard some shouting from another pump. Some middle-aged man with a goatee was calling me out in French. I didn't hear exactly what he was saying but there was something about my mother and telling me to "go back to Ontario and fuck a moose". Very high-class stuff from a total stranger. I was more amused than bitter. He continued to accost me even when I went inside to pay. He told me the Kessel trade ranked worse than Courtnall-for-Kordic. I simply replied, "Ferme ta gueule et va chier." (Shut your trap and F-U)
Nothing happened. It was a mild encounter when compared with others I've experienced.
A few years back, I used to teach at the CEGEP (for those who don't know, the CEGEP is cross between Ontario's old Grade 13 and community college with several university preparatory courses and programmes built-in). Most of the groups I used to teach were in the evening which meant the place was deserted and dark, for the most part.
One evening, I had finished later than usual and was on my way through the pre-WW1 labyrinthine corridors to my car. I was wearing my Leafs toque and had just turned the corner near the front desk when I saw five very drunk and very energized young men clad in Montreal Canadiens jerseys, toques and kit bags. They had evidently just finished playing hockey somewhere and had found some time to polish-off a half dozen beers each (I assumed).
As I passed by them, I smiled and nodded. I glanced down to look at my keys when I felt my toque being ripped off of my head! Some total drunken punk actually had the nerve to take something off my head. Instead of being a hot-head about it, I simply turned around and was about to say something like, "Okay, guys. Funny stuff." This was until I witnessed something very classless.
The heavyset kid with the Kovelev jersey actually spat on my Leafs toque (or attempted to) which was now on the floor. At this point, I thought of two things: 1) say nothing, let it pass, take the toque and walk to the car -or- 2) go Bruce Banner/Incredible Hulk on them.
As it happened, one of my students, Rejeanne, a 50-something fitness instructor, was waiting for her drive and saw the whole exchange. She walked over, slapped one of the guys on the back of the head and cursed him out in French. The guy sheepishly bent down, picked up my toque and gave it back to me. None of them appeared very apologetic but I wasn't looking for anything else from them. They walked away as soon as the security guard returned to the front desk. It was the following week when Rejeanne explained to me that the kid she slapped was her nephew from Montreal who was actually renting a basement apartment from her and her husband while he attended CEGEP in Rimouski.
Most of the incidents I've had with Canadiens fans were in Montreal or were with people FROM Montreal. I've had pleasant experiences with people in Quebec City. As I'm sure no one who reads PPP is unaware, fans of the Nordiques are possibly the only other team supporters who hate the Canadiens as much as Leafs fans. (I don't include Bruins fans because there are several in my family who live in New England and are really only "fairweather" anti-Habbers.)
The most vile experience in my 31 years with a Canadiens fan happened in front of my 2 year-old son when we were buying tickets to a Rimouski Oceanic game. After the office manager for the Oceanic gave my son two Oceanic posters and a free Oceanic puck (my boy was thrilled) we headed back to the car. During the day, the Colisee de Rimouski is often used for rec league hockey and as such we passed several men entering and exiting the building with their hockey bags and sticks. My son was wearing a Nordiques sweatshirt and a Maple Leafs ball cap and I think I may have been sporting a Curtis Joseph/Maple Leafs ball cap as well. Some dickhead in his 50's or 60's walked in through the door next to us, took one look at us and in French, said:
"Leaf Faggot and Leaf Faggot Junior!"
He was walking by very briskly with a smirk on his pock-marked face. I'm not one to engage in confrontation with children present for obvious reasons and especially because words are just words, not to mention my son definitely didn't know (and still doesn't understand) this French pejorative ("Fif"). So there really didn't appear to be any reason to retaliate... so I didn't. But someone else did. Again.
Behind us, coming out of the stairwell were two individuals I had not seen previously--one was an unassuming man I judged to be in his late-40s and the other was the woman who had sold us our tickets not five minutes before.
The man shouted to the dickhead (in French), "Hey you, do you like insulting young children in front of their parents?"
The other man stopped and took a tentative step back toward us. He replied (in French), "If I raised my kid to be a Toronto fan, I'd have to be a brainless faggot. I'm entitled to my opinion."
The man who had stood-up for us was suddenly familiar to me: Assistant Coach for the Oceanic, Donald Dufresne. "What gives you the right to use language like that, especially in front of a child?"
By now, several other rec league players had entered the foyer of the Colisee and were now witnesses to what would become an epic dressing-down of a Habs fan by a former Stanley Cup winner with the Habs for insulting a 28 year-old Leafs fan and his 2 year-old Leafs fan son.
When the dickhead did not respond, one of the other players turned to me and said, "Don't pay attention to that guy. He's been kicked off of many rec league teams and probably will get booted for good after the rest of his team hears about this incident."
The incident ended when the dickhead saluted everybody and walked toward the dressing rooms. I don't know how it ended for him but I can only imagine he lives a lonely life where he feels the need to judge people based on their interests and tastes. As for myself and my son, we got to meet Donald Dufresne and in the following weeks, several Oceanic players.
My long-winded post can be boiled down to one question: Shouldn't we all have the right to sport our favourite colours without being afraid of ridicule and mockery?
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You’re doing Wendel’s work in Quebec!
The best parts of those stories is how it’s Habs fans that have to dress down their own for being such morons.
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By now, several other rec league players had entered the foyer of the Colisee and were now witnesses to what would become an epic dressing-down of a Habs fan by a former Stanley Cup winner with the Habs for insulting a 28 year-old Leafs fan and his 2 year-old Leafs fan son.
I will stand beside him with an axe! @theninjagreg
I’m used to people making fun of me for being a Leafs fan, but taking someone’s hat or swearing in front of kids is uncalled for. I don’t think I’d take a child to a hockey game because there is so much swearing and stuff.
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by theninjagreg on Jan 10, 2012 5:38 PM EST up reply actions
Great read, thanks! Trash talk is a part of being a sports fan – and I’m sure we’ve all done it to a greater or lesser degree. But that sort of thing is just not cool.
by Blue and White Expat on Jan 11, 2012 9:44 AM EST reply actions
good natured ribbing is natural and fun, but when it becomes personal or threatning it is not cool.
on vacation in Cuba last year a Calgary Fan called my son (not me) a loser while we were in the lobby cheering for the Leafs against the Habs (we won that game). Complete jerk…my wife (not a hockey fan) still questions why we need to cheer for the leafs instead of a team that wins and brings this insident up all the time.
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Great post, sometimes cheering for the Leafs is tough (especially in Montreal), but we can take comfort knowing we’re cheering for the Leafs that puts language and discrimination over winning.
I have a Montreal sports story too – Last year, I was in Montreal for my 17th birthday, as well as the CFL’s East Final between Toronto and Montreal. I went with my cousin who is going to school in Montreal, and was sporting my double blue in support of the Argos. I got some friendly ribbing on the way, which was no big deal (I would have done the same thing to be honest), but the real shenanigans came after the game. Montreal ended up winning in a huge blowout (something like 42-8), and being the Toronto sports fan that I am, I kept sporting my Argos jersey despite the loss. On my way out (still inside the stadium), and old, drunk, homeless looking man started swearing at me in English, but with a noticeable French accent. He then spat at my feet and laughed. Like JeanValjean, I’m not one for confrontations or anything like that, so I just shook my head and walked away. On our way down the stairs though, the man showed up again. He was on the level above us and could see us from above. He yelled down to me in a thick French accent “Hey, go back to Ontario!”, and spat down at us again. This time, the saliva was a little more accurate, and connected with my jersey. Since he was above us there was nothing we could do, but even despite the large Montreal victory, almost everyone around us that saw the incident started yelling and swearing at the homeless looking guy. One couple said to me after the fact “I don’t know how the hell you can cheer for any Toronto sports team, but either way, that guy is an absolute idiot”. Goes to show you that not everyone in Montreal is insane, just some of them.
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That’s a crappy experience.
I’ve had several encounters in the past with opposing fans just fooling around or ribbing. My first Leaf game in Buffalo was back in 03/04 and man, that was fun. The Sabres fans and arena personnel love to poke fun at Leafs fans. I still remember trying to take the elevator after the game to get to the parking level and the elevator attendant, a heavyset African-American woman, looked me up and down (in front of an almost-full elevator) and said, "Honey, you takin’ the next one!’
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by JeanValjean on Jan 11, 2012 10:55 PM EST up reply actions
You should have said,
Oh yeah Thanks ! WIth your weight your right, I might be safer riding the other elevator. I mean I want to go down but not that fast ! Two words lady ~ Jenny Craig !
F|73RR08 The fan and artist formally known as FLYERROB ~ I do not advocate to be the comments of any fan base or any NHL Team but rather my own individual self ~ if that upsets you - Sorry. ~ Lori Wilson Gray ~ April 07th 1967 - May 27th 2011 ~ Bob Wilson JR. ~ July 03rd 1944 - November 06th 2011 ~ ~ I love you Sis & Dad !
I see more Leafs games in Montreal than Toronto (father-in-law with company tix), and always wear my Leafs jersey with pride during our game day experiences, nothing more than some terrible, terrible attempts at smack talk and then some teasing from security on the commuter train (that i didn’t get being a Cunneyworth).
Most of my encounters actually are between my wife & myself and other Habs/Leafs couples.
And there are a lot of them out there.
Opposites attract I guess.
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As a FLYERS Fan who Frequent PPP I agree with you on almost all of your points
Especially this one
Shouldn’t we all have the right to sport our favourite colours without being afraid of ridicule and mockery?
First I have Relatives in N.B. and Maine and Friends in Ontario and Canadian People are awesome. Very friendly and polite. Almost reminds me of the Movie of Pleasantville with Reese Witherspoon (The way America should be .. ironically can be found sometimes in Canada)
My Ex Wife is from Brantford Ontario and I used to (since I own my own business) Live in Ontario for a good while before going to Iraq in 2005. I always wore my FLYERS gear and one time in 2004 I was at a local grocery store getting a Pepsi and admiring a Toronto Sunshine Girl in the paper. In walks a kid wearing a Kobe Bryant Lakers Jersey. I was wearing a Mark Recchi Black FLYERS jersey. I said “Hey ! Kobe Bryant ! Cool ! You know he is from my hometown area near Philly !” (Lower Merion PA) and the kid says sarcastically “Yeah well, Recchi is from my hometown !” I quickly came back with
“Really ?! Your from Kamloops B.C. ? Why are you here in Brantford ? Your a long long way from home, further than me kid !” as if I didnt know that he was being a pecker head.
Majority of the Ontario Maple Leaf fans used to rib me or heckle me whenever I wore my FLYERS jerseys but I expected it and none were absolute Jerks. Well, One time I recall in the parking lot a Maple Leaf fan trying to deface my Vanity FLYERS license plate on the Front of my Car. (PA requires only one license plate on the back of the car) and When I shouted at him he ran off like a scared kitten and my plate wasnt damaged at all as I must have just caught him.
I also know that in Philly at a FLYERS vs Maple Leafs Playoff game in 2004 when the Flyers won, FLYERS fans were threatening Maple Leaf fans pretty bad. I even heard one guy shout “Were gonna take your license plates off your car so that you cant get across the border you Losers !” Thats pretty bad. and I actually felt pretty ashamed to be the fan of the same team as that idiot.
I used to get “GO LEAFS GO!” from Maple Leaf fans in Ontario instead of curse words and thats cool because they are not cursing or putting down your team they are just letting you know that they root for the Maple Leafs.
The only thing I disagree with is the Fairweather Hab haters in Boston. I have frequented Stanley Cup of Chowder posts as well and I also have a few Reps working in the Boston Area that are in my Agency and I make a few trips there and they are without a doubt serious Haters of the Habs. (So am I as well)
F|73RR08 The fan and artist formally known as FLYERROB ~ I do not advocate to be the comments of any fan base or any NHL Team but rather my own individual self ~ if that upsets you - Sorry. ~ Lori Wilson Gray ~ April 07th 1967 - May 27th 2011 ~ Bob Wilson JR. ~ July 03rd 1944 - November 06th 2011 ~ ~ I love you Sis & Dad !
Cool story Rob
But I can never ever like Philly, not after witnessing Roenick put the Leafs out of the playoffs in 2004. That was an awful moment for me as a Leafs fan. I like Giroux though.
It’s nice to hear that our fans have been respectful. I’ve dealt with some pretty awful people before in Buffalo and Montreal (you read one of my stories above), and some people can be just nasty, so I’m glad our fan base expresses sportsmanship (for the most part).
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Ok. I can understand why you feel the way you feel. And I forgot to tell you that I was in Brantford on that day that Roenick scored and It was really (minus the license plate situation) the ONLY time I got some negative crap for being a FLYERS fan but that was expected with Roenick scoring in OT to eliminate the Maple Leafs from the playoffs.
I just got some F bombs. But I understood why.
F|73RR08 The fan and artist formally known as FLYERROB ~ I do not advocate to be the comments of any fan base or any NHL Team but rather my own individual self ~ if that upsets you - Sorry. ~ Lori Wilson Gray ~ April 07th 1967 - May 27th 2011 ~ Bob Wilson JR. ~ July 03rd 1944 - November 06th 2011 ~ ~ I love you Sis & Dad !

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