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I'm surprised Burke didn't strangle them in the first 15 seconds because Cox and McCown are laying on the "asshole" thick and heavy. Anywho, give it a listen to a) further the legend of Brian Burke, b) get some good sound bites of the legend that is Brian Burke.

Part 2 starting with Burke's thoughts on the SI players' poll here.

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Wow what a dick

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by BCapp on Jan 11, 2012 7:55 PM EST reply actions  

“We all have jobs – but there are sometimes better jobs” – Props to Burke, because my response would’ve been “go fuck yourself.”

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by Bower Power on Jan 11, 2012 7:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Brian Burke rules so hard

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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 11, 2012 7:56 PM EST reply actions  

He’s pretty much the most honest person in the world and I respect the hell out of him for that.

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by SkinnyFish on Jan 11, 2012 8:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I could listen to Brian Burke all day long.

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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jan 11, 2012 8:00 PM EST reply actions  

“Are we done here? Can I go?”

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by LeafsLover on Jan 11, 2012 9:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

“They’ll carry me out of here with my boots on.”

Burke wants to be the man to bring a cup to Toronto. He wants his name on that.

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by Bower Power on Jan 11, 2012 8:01 PM EST reply actions  

Brian Burke is a dick……But he’s OUR dick!

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by SPERO on Jan 11, 2012 8:04 PM EST reply actions  

The tiny little pause after Burke suggests all of the players who voted for Phaneuf should come to the ASG was absolutely beautiful.

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by Be26 on Jan 11, 2012 8:07 PM EST reply actions  

Gardiner: He’s gonna play or he’s going to the Marlies.

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by SkinnyFish on Jan 11, 2012 8:07 PM EST reply actions  

You only gave him a 1 year extension didn’t you?
I’m not going to comment on that.
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by SkinnyFish on Jan 11, 2012 8:08 PM EST reply actions  

First of all,as it is, Bob and BB don’t get along. But why Bob felt the need to have douche Cox on air with him is beyond me. Why set the interview up like this?

What drives me nuts is all the banter before and after Brian was on air. Both these idiots spout crap that they never, ever would dare say to Burke himself. They did it last week with Donald Fehr, their both gutless cowards.

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by Alspicer on Jan 11, 2012 8:09 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Well duh.

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by SkinnyFish on Jan 11, 2012 8:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Don’t shoot the messenger – Cox is McCown’s partner on the show. He’s on every day.

by mf37 on Jan 12, 2012 12:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Cox would get whupped in a barn fight. So he did something smart for once and stayed silent

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by Nifty Mittens on Jan 12, 2012 12:31 AM EST up reply actions  

If I could get a kid that I really believe could be special, I always do that, unless I thought we were going to have a parade. […] I do think there’s room for “age group asset” trades. For example, if you trade a 22 year old and get back a 22 year old for a different position […] that’s a possibility.

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by Bower Power on Jan 11, 2012 8:10 PM EST reply actions  

hey, you’re welcome

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by birky on Jan 11, 2012 8:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Pffft. It’s cooler because I transcribed and linked. 140 characters are lame.

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by Bower Power on Jan 11, 2012 8:11 PM EST up reply actions  

anyways….coincidence? I dunno. We know Burke wanted JVR for Versteeg last year. The Flyers may want Schenn.

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by birky on Jan 11, 2012 8:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t like that trade at all

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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 11, 2012 8:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Schenn for JVR?

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by birky on Jan 11, 2012 8:14 PM EST up reply actions  

nope, no tangible reason, just have a feeling JVR will never be much more than he is right now

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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 11, 2012 8:15 PM EST up reply actions  

heh. I feel the same way about Schenn.

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by birky on Jan 11, 2012 8:17 PM EST up reply actions  

The difference is in the money, though. JVR’s about to start a first liner’s contract.

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by Bower Power on Jan 11, 2012 8:18 PM EST up reply actions  

yup

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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 11, 2012 8:19 PM EST up reply actions  

The difference isn’t that large per year. 625 000. JVR’s is one year longer though. Do you consider that locked in for longer or stuck in contract for longer (similar to the discussion we were having earlier).

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by BCapp on Jan 11, 2012 8:25 PM EST up reply actions  

JVR’s being on a team with Giroux and 62% ozone start concerns me. It also confuses me that he’s only averaging 3rd line ice time as a winger on PHI. I dunno – it could work out, but I think the Leafs are taking on more risk in that deal, and I’d like to be compensated for it in a trade.

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by Bower Power on Jan 11, 2012 8:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Did not realize he had 62% ozone start. Philly also has good wingers ahead of him who are basically all older (except for Voracek who is same draft year IIRC). I am not concerned about that.

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by BCapp on Jan 11, 2012 8:43 PM EST up reply actions  

the development curve for defenders, especially shut down defenders gives me more hope for schenn, especially when there is a consistent progression in offensive production

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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 11, 2012 8:21 PM EST up reply actions  

I get the same feeling. Plus Schenn has “I’ll bite you in the ass” written all over him.

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by SPERO on Jan 11, 2012 8:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t want to have the Leafs have to play against Schenn in 3-4 years.

by Chi-town leafs on Jan 11, 2012 10:04 PM EST up reply actions  

So Philly’s plan to win a cup is to trade three of their four top scorers for futures, tie up 51 million over 9 years in a crazy person, and hide Pronger on LTIR until they succeed in turning him into RoboCop.

I don’t see how that deal makes any sense to the Flyers.

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by clrkaitken on Jan 11, 2012 11:00 PM EST up reply actions  

To be fair, Bryz’s CRZY/60 is off the charts.

by LeafInVancouver on Jan 11, 2012 11:01 PM EST up reply actions  

You obviously never saw Robocop.

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by SkinnyFish on Jan 11, 2012 11:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I’d be surprised if it were a straight 1-for-1 swap.

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by Bower Power on Jan 11, 2012 8:14 PM EST up reply actions  

This is the draft class for JVR’s year: http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/nhl2007e.html

I wouldn’t trade Schenn straight up for anyone of those forwards save for Patrick Kane……….I don’t think JVR becomes more than a second line winger and honestly if I were to trade Schenn as a centerpiece in any package, a young first line talent (30 goal, 60-70 point) has to be coming back

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by LeafFan1989 on Jan 11, 2012 8:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I think JVR is a 30/60 guy by next year.

I also trade SChenn straight up for Couture, Shattenkirk, and PAccioretti (probably, not sure).

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by BCapp on Jan 11, 2012 8:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Shattenkirk for sure but I did mention forwards………………….Paccioretty not my choice…………..you could make a case for Coutoure and Benn………..and Perron (pre-concussion)……………..I’m not high on JVR…..just a gut feeling

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by LeafFan1989 on Jan 11, 2012 8:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Sorry missed forwards. Would definitely do it for Benn (was only looking at the first round). I was thinking Perron pre-concussion too.

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by BCapp on Jan 11, 2012 8:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Another D-man who I hate to admit

But I’d trade him for Subban.

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by BCapp on Jan 11, 2012 8:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Remove yourself from this blog at once.

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by PassivelyTruculent on Jan 11, 2012 8:48 PM EST up reply actions  

I’d trade him for Shattenkirk based solely on his name.

by LeafInVancouver on Jan 11, 2012 11:02 PM EST up reply actions  

@shattdeuces

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by SkinnyFish on Jan 11, 2012 11:03 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s pretty uncharacteristic of Burke to foreshadow his own moves like that. And he has to have known that a Schenn/JVR rumor is floating around. I’m a little split whether it’s him yanking people along or if it’s a hint.

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by Bower Power on Jan 11, 2012 8:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Kessel, Giggy, Kaberle
foreshadowed like fuck

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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 11, 2012 8:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Rumors floated, but Burke himself actually tipping his hand? Kaberle, sure, but that was a little different.

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by Bower Power on Jan 11, 2012 8:17 PM EST up reply actions  

the “almost” trade at the draft to boston

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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 11, 2012 8:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Was mentioned after it fell apart, I thought.

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by Bower Power on Jan 11, 2012 8:20 PM EST up reply actions  

right, but because of that, it was an on going, foreshadowed event for the next 2 years

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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 11, 2012 8:21 PM EST up reply actions  

There were Giggy rumours? I don’t remember that.

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by BCapp on Jan 11, 2012 8:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow. The Gus compliments are quite something.

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by BCapp on Jan 11, 2012 8:12 PM EST reply actions  

Don’t tell VRN!

Kulemin so hot right now, Kulemin.

by PassivelyTruculent on Jan 11, 2012 8:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Wasn’t SI the same rag that called Toronto the worst pro sports city in North America?

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by Alspicer on Jan 11, 2012 8:18 PM EST reply actions  

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by SPERO on Jan 11, 2012 8:19 PM EST up reply actions  

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by PPP on Jan 12, 2012 12:15 AM EST up reply actions  

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by achengy on Jan 12, 2012 9:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Just started and listened to the first fifteen seconds and I love this guy. Wow

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by LeafsLover on Jan 11, 2012 8:31 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

this guy = Burke, right?

by Goosemonster on Jan 12, 2012 9:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Schenn for JVR? Sure. But there’ll either me more people moving than that, or other trades after. Because the Leafs would pretty much have 5 passable forward lines.

Love to see what comes next.

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by not norm ullman on Jan 11, 2012 8:40 PM EST reply actions  

I’ll say one thing, if Schenn is moved out for a forward, the Leafs defence does look a whole lot worse

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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 11, 2012 8:44 PM EST reply actions  

Really? Running Phaneuf/Komisarek/Franson/Holzer-Blacker?

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by Bower Power on Jan 11, 2012 8:48 PM EST up reply actions  

yup, especially since it will be Phaneuf/Gunnar/Franson/Komi/Aulie/Gardiner
the leafs are having a tough enough time shutting the other teams down, how will that help?

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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 11, 2012 8:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Not to sound the Birky Alarm, but Schenn hasn’t really been a driving force for the Leafs’ defense.

I wonder if there’s enough risk in the JVR contract that – with more than just Schenn going out, of course – Carle could come back the other way. Expiring UFA contract. Carle-Phaneuf, Gunnarsson-Franson, Gardiner-Komisarek. Still has its weak points, but wouldn’t be bad.

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by Bower Power on Jan 11, 2012 8:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Carle isn’t leaving this year without an upgrade coming in.

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by BCapp on Jan 11, 2012 8:59 PM EST up reply actions  

right, but schenn is a shut downer, and will (or al least should) get better, and the Leafs have no one out side of Aulie to replace him, which isn’t very encouraging

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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 11, 2012 9:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Holzer is better (and will be better) than Aulie.

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by BCapp on Jan 11, 2012 9:02 PM EST up reply actions  

he may be, but he hasn’t proven fuck all, he isn’t even the marlies best shut down guy

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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 11, 2012 9:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Luke Schenn hasn’t proved fuck all at the NHL level as a shutdown guy either.

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by birky on Jan 11, 2012 9:05 PM EST up reply actions  

fuck all is excessive, especially comparing him to a guy with 2 career NHL games

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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 11, 2012 9:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I was comparing him to Aulie not to Schenn.

Schenn has proven he can handle a fair amount of minutes last year. I would definitely give him that.

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by BCapp on Jan 11, 2012 9:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Luke Schenn is an NHL defender. But everytime he has been asked to carry a bigger load defensively, he has faltered.

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by birky on Jan 11, 2012 9:08 PM EST up reply actions  

right, so we should trade him to fill a void we don’t have?

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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 11, 2012 9:09 PM EST up reply actions  

We do have a void of size up front and right now Crabb is the LW on Grabovski’s line. We’d also be dealing from a position of strength in the organization, and we’d be dealing the guy who is mostly our #6 defender right now.

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by birky on Jan 11, 2012 9:10 PM EST up reply actions  

  1. right now but there is absolutely no reason to think that he won’t be much higher up the depth chart 1-2 years from now. (When we’re competing for the cup, ideally.)

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by The Bag on Jan 11, 2012 9:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Ugh that should read #6, not 1. Stupid auto-format.

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by The Bag on Jan 11, 2012 9:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Of course there is reason to think that. Not everyone improves.

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by BCapp on Jan 11, 2012 9:34 PM EST up reply actions  

exactly

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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 11, 2012 9:35 PM EST up reply actions  

That goes for both Schenn and JVR. I am aware of this.

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by BCapp on Jan 11, 2012 9:37 PM EST up reply actions  

My point is that it would be just as shortsighted to move Schenn now as it would have been 2 years ago. Burke was once offered a top-3 pick for Schenn, if what he says is true. No way he now moves Schenn for a guy like JVR. At least I’d hope not.

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by The Bag on Jan 11, 2012 9:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Wouldn’t a top 3 pick include a #2 overall pick? Like JVR?

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by BCapp on Jan 11, 2012 9:39 PM EST up reply actions  

wait, so you are saying the Leafs can get the 5th over all pick for schenn?

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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 11, 2012 9:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Except that JVR is not playing at the level you’d expect out of a #2 overall. Would you trade a 2nd overall for JVR? People didn’t want to trade that for Kessel.

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by The Bag on Jan 11, 2012 9:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I think JVR’s progression is fine for a #2 overall.

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by BCapp on Jan 11, 2012 9:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Ok, I looked more closely at past #2 picks, and you could argue he’s doing fine. Still, I don’t think it makes sense to trade Schenn for a relative unknown now any more than it did his rookie season, given that we haven’t seen what he’s capable of. Especially given the comparables people have mentioned.

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by The Bag on Jan 11, 2012 9:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Because I personally have never been that high on Schenn. I just don’t love his game.

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by BCapp on Jan 11, 2012 9:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I guess I’d just cite organizational need, and say that Schenn takes priority over JVR.

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by The Bag on Jan 11, 2012 9:55 PM EST up reply actions  

25th last I checked in GA indicates we shouldn’t trade a 22 year old NHL defender who may develop into a good/great shutdown defender.

by Chi-town leafs on Jan 11, 2012 10:08 PM EST up reply actions  

22 years old? yes. but this is also his fourth season, which should account for something.

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by birky on Jan 11, 2012 10:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I think it shows how highly regarded a prospect he is. Not a lot more. I can’t think of any quality shutdown d-men in the league who are 22 years old.

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by The Bag on Jan 11, 2012 10:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Doughty.

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by BCapp on Jan 11, 2012 10:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Id be OK with moving Schenn

Im not so sure I’d be happy with JVR as the return

by samspade on Jan 11, 2012 9:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Coutorier on the other hand…

by samspade on Jan 11, 2012 9:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Komisarek.

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by birky on Jan 11, 2012 9:03 PM EST up reply actions  

/snort

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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 11, 2012 9:03 PM EST up reply actions  

As discussed though, Schenn might be 3-4 years away from becoming that top shutdown guy. I don’t know if Burke wants to wait that long before making a serious run for the Cup.

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by SkinnyFish on Jan 11, 2012 9:05 PM EST up reply actions  

their window is sooner than that

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by birky on Jan 11, 2012 9:05 PM EST up reply actions  

You think our window will be closed by 3-4 years from now? I hope not.

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by BlindSight on Jan 11, 2012 9:35 PM EST up reply actions  

not closed, but closing maybe

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by birky on Jan 11, 2012 10:05 PM EST up reply actions  

so we still need a shut down defenseman, gotcha
but as long as we don’t have that guy, then trading schenn for not that guy perpetuates the problem

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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 11, 2012 9:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed if this was the only deal coming, but I think Burke’s been building up forward depth and is going to swing one or more out of town for an older defenceman. Frankly, we’ve got 4 lines of vets plus these kids like Kadri and Colborne and Frattin chomping at the bit.

I think the whole “No more enforcers, League – and Leafs – becoming fleet of foot” storyline reduced Schenn’s perceived upside. I’d love it if he can find a way to become that shutdown guy, and do it on the Leafs, but damned if I can see the path forward for him on this kind of team.

Maybe we could dump Wilson first, go back to a slower-moving, tie-em-up kindof team?

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by not norm ullman on Jan 11, 2012 9:11 PM EST up reply actions  

One thing that keeps sticking out to me is that Nonis said Blacker isn’t far from NHL ready. With Komi and Franson still around, well, it just wouldn’t surprise me to see one of those right D men get moved.

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by Bower Power on Jan 11, 2012 9:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Blacker is also on the right side? Interesting…

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by BCapp on Jan 11, 2012 9:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m currently under that impression, but not 100% on it.

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by Bower Power on Jan 11, 2012 9:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Blacker isn’t a shut down defenseman either

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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 11, 2012 9:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Blacker is a do-everything defenseman

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by birky on Jan 11, 2012 9:08 PM EST up reply actions  

and you expect him to be able to fill in heavy shut down mins directly out of the AHL?

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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 11, 2012 9:10 PM EST up reply actions  

no. But Schenn doesn’t do that either.

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by birky on Jan 11, 2012 9:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Phaneuf is the shutdown guy. They still have Komisarek.

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by birky on Jan 11, 2012 9:12 PM EST up reply actions  

We need another shutdown guy. My hope is that Burke trades for a veteran #3/4 guy who hopefully doesn’t cost that much.

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by BCapp on Jan 11, 2012 9:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Looking at teams relatively far from playoff spots

Guys like:
Hannan, Clark, Brewer (but he’d cost more and we probably aren’t ready for an acquisition of a player his age), Gleason, Allen, Gorges (he may cost a little more), Clitsome (okay I just like the name), Gilbert (he has a big cap hit), etc.

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by BCapp on Jan 11, 2012 9:17 PM EST up reply actions  

JVR is totally going to get better in a few years or so! but schenn will take too long!

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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 11, 2012 9:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Skinny said that not me.

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by BCapp on Jan 11, 2012 9:30 PM EST up reply actions  

eh, replied to the wrong comment, but the point stands

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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 11, 2012 9:32 PM EST up reply actions  

No worries

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by BCapp on Jan 11, 2012 9:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Luke Schenn
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Mystery D man
GP 39 G 3 A 12 +/- +15 ATOI 23:16

The Mystery Defenceman is obviously superior – getting a few more points, better +/- and more ice time. He also has an amazing partner on D – he is also 4 years older.

Someone else can compare QUALCOMP and QUALTEAM and zone starts and stuff…

Can Luke Schenn develop into a player like that? (PS the team the Mystery D man is on is pretty good)

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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jan 11, 2012 9:33 PM EST up reply actions  

That guy is also playing 7 more minutes than him. THat is a tonne. But frankly he is the player we all hope Schenn turns into.

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by BCapp on Jan 11, 2012 9:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Yah, i hope so to. Mystery player is Brent Seabrook.

Too bad we didnt have a Duncan Keith for Schenn to play with.

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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jan 11, 2012 9:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I knew who it was (checked teh ice time). The best career progression for Schenn is Seabrooke’s

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by BCapp on Jan 11, 2012 9:39 PM EST up reply actions  

or Ryan Suter. who had a very similar box car to schenn at 22

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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 11, 2012 9:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Trade Him! We have Holzer and Jessie Blacker!!!

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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jan 11, 2012 9:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I’d be ecstatic if he turned into an Anton Volchenkov

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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jan 11, 2012 9:40 PM EST up reply actions  

(pre getting old and hurty)

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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jan 11, 2012 9:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Schenn has nowhere near the offensive upside of Seabrook.

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by not norm ullman on Jan 11, 2012 10:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Allen

There’s a player Burke & co are familiar with.

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by JeanValjean on Jan 11, 2012 10:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Old and busted
No
meh
Maybe
No
Awful
No
Hurt and no

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by SkinnyFish on Jan 11, 2012 10:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Phaneuf is the shutdown guy, but as long as Aulie is playing the left side, we lack a shutdown pairing. We need someone to do Aulie’s job, because Aulie isn’t ready for it. Defensively capable LD – Gleason, Carle, Suter, those kinds of players.

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by Bower Power on Jan 11, 2012 9:22 PM EST up reply actions  

right, we have one of those guys, and a player like schenn becomes more moveable, but we don’t, and can’t assume one will just fall out of the sky

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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 11, 2012 9:24 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s the trade deadline, and Burke is working. Anything can happen. I mean, we’re talking about Schenn as trade bait, but that completely ignores that Grabbo is still (almost certainly) on the market. I don’t have a problem discussing deals in a vacuum because we may deal with other organizational needs through other trades.

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by Bower Power on Jan 11, 2012 9:28 PM EST up reply actions  

still don’t like the trade in a vacuum, because JVR isn’t anything the Leafs dont already have
if we want a 20-20 guy to stick in the 2nd line RW spot there are a few options they can use without trading schenn

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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 11, 2012 9:31 PM EST up reply actions  

JVR isn’t anything the Leafs dont already have

Except for point-producing size on the wing.

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by Bower Power on Jan 11, 2012 9:35 PM EST up reply actions  

But we have Kuli-oh wait.

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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jan 11, 2012 9:36 PM EST up reply actions  

he has size, but he doesn’t use it, Mac is more physical, so is Kadri, both could probably produce on par with JVR right now
then there is Frattin, Kulemin, Lupul and even Colborne who can play some wing if need be
JVR is also still only on pace for 42 points, on the Flyers
whoop de doo

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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 11, 2012 9:38 PM EST up reply actions  

For the record, I don’t think I’d be interested in trading Schenn for JVR straight up. If we start talking about packages? I’d listen. I’m just saying that I don’t see a reason Schenn should be considered untouchable.

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by Bower Power on Jan 11, 2012 9:44 PM EST up reply actions  

he isn’t untouchable by any stretch, the level of defence being raised is on par with the 1 for 1 trade of schenn for JVR
schenn for Coutourier? done, Schenn+Kadri+all the tea in china for Giroux? double stamped done

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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 11, 2012 9:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Coutourier

Thats how you spell it!!

I pretty much agree with you here. I’d seem to be a “Trade Schenn” guy, and you’d seem to be a “Don’t Trade Schenn” guy.

But really, it’s just a discussion of what we would trade him for, and here me and you are in pretty close agreement.

Actually , I’m hoping Schenn canon of the cornerstones of a trade for Getzlaf (allowing us to keep Kadri & Colborne), but thats another story altogether.

by samspade on Jan 11, 2012 10:05 PM EST up reply actions  

JVR has 22 points in 36 games, which is a 50 point pace over 82 games

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by birky on Jan 11, 2012 10:13 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah, Schenn is easily replaceable with any of the prospects the Leafs have

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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 11, 2012 9:19 PM EST up reply actions  

we don’t need to replace Schenn. We already have 3 RD

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by birky on Jan 11, 2012 9:27 PM EST up reply actions  

we don’t need to replace Crabb, we have 4 RW

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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 11, 2012 9:28 PM EST up reply actions  

VRN is to Gustavsson;
as Jared is to Schenn.

Analogy practice for all you kids about to take the SATs.

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by SkinnyFish on Jan 11, 2012 9:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Only Amurricans take the SAT

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by BCapp on Jan 11, 2012 9:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Crabb plays left wing.

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by birky on Jan 11, 2012 10:13 PM EST up reply actions  

and he stinks, much like Schenn.

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by birky on Jan 11, 2012 10:14 PM EST up reply actions  

And he’s 28, whereas Schenn is 22.

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by The Bag on Jan 11, 2012 10:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Phaneuf/Gunnar/Franson/Liles/Komi/Gardiner

by ChadKilger on Jan 12, 2012 4:13 AM EST up reply actions  

The Leafs have had 19 guys play Forward this year, and that’s without Zigo, Mueller, Scott, D’Amigo and the guys still in junior.

If they move to make what they perceive as a major upgrade there by getting JVR, they’ll definitely be packaging 2-3 of these guys for a seriously defensive-minded defenceman.

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by not norm ullman on Jan 11, 2012 9:15 PM EST reply actions  

If we’re moving Schenn, I want and expect Burke and Nonis to see what other teams are willing to offer before biting on JVR, if that indeed is what is being discussed. For sures I call up Bob Murray and ask him if Schenn+ can get us Ryan or Getzlaf.

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by T is for Truculence on Jan 11, 2012 9:28 PM EST reply actions  

it won’t. You’re looking at a huge package for either of those guys and the rest of the league isn’t dumb. there’s a reason why Schenn has diminished ice time.

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by birky on Jan 11, 2012 10:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Two roster players, blue chip prospect and a “high” draft pick according to Dreger last week. And that’s for Getzlaf.

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by JeanValjean on Jan 11, 2012 10:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Anyone believe Liles gets resigned in offseason?

by LeafluvrCC on Jan 11, 2012 9:34 PM EST reply actions  

No.

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by SkinnyFish on Jan 11, 2012 9:34 PM EST up reply actions  

only if he wants to make under 2.5 a year on a 2 year deal
which he wont

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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 11, 2012 9:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Reason I asked is I understand that is everyone’s forgone conclusion prior to this season starting, but he has looked like a perfect fit, beyond my expectations by a mile this year. Seemed before he got hurt like he was the 4th best player on the team on most nights

by LeafluvrCC on Jan 11, 2012 9:43 PM EST up reply actions  

he was also a perfect fit because he was seen as a stop cap for Gardiner/Franson
he is too old and will want too much money and term

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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 11, 2012 9:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Unfortunately if he doesn’t come back before the trade deadline we won’t be able to move him. I guess the upside is we get to keep him for…ahem…the games that get played in April, but I’d much rather have been able to get something back for him at the deadline

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by T is for Truculence on Jan 11, 2012 9:51 PM EST up reply actions  

right, so either the Leafs are out of the playoff picture, and burke trades him
or Burke thinks the leafs can get by in the playoffs without him, and trades him
or Burke thinks the Leafs need him for the run and holds on to him and loses him for nothing
as long as they dont sign him to a boat anchor

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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 11, 2012 9:53 PM EST up reply actions  

So the most likely scenario is the Leafs becomes Leafs win cup, and have total conundrum on their hands.

by LeafluvrCC on Jan 11, 2012 9:54 PM EST up reply actions  

The first two can only happen if he returns soon.

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by BCapp on Jan 11, 2012 9:57 PM EST up reply actions  

And the third seems unlikely, since Burke has said he’s not interested in just making the playoffs, but that he wants to build a cup winner, and will improve the team whenever he can. So if Liles is gone this off-season, I find it hard to imagine that Burke won’t at least try to move him now.

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by The Bag on Jan 11, 2012 9:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly.

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by T is for Truculence on Jan 11, 2012 10:00 PM EST up reply actions  

So what youre saying is…..

STANLEY CUP!!!?!?!

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by BlindSight on Jan 11, 2012 9:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Can I leave now?

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by BlindSight on Jan 11, 2012 10:03 PM EST reply actions  

Sports Illustrated doesn’t do hockey.

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by JeanValjean on Jan 11, 2012 10:56 PM EST reply actions  

Uhhhh

acapone85 A. Capone "LeafsBB20: Folks, have a question for me? Now that you know how horrendous your goaltending is, what are you going to do to address it?

LeafsBB20 Brian Burke
@acapone85 Figures, a Jets fan asks this question. Not sure what you are watching. I, too, have sent emails when I was hammered!

by LeafInVancouver on Jan 11, 2012 11:04 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

@LeafsBB20 You and Colin Campbell.

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by SkinnyFish on Jan 11, 2012 11:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Everyone forgets Shoestorm.

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by SkinnyFish on Jan 11, 2012 11:17 PM EST up reply actions  

SHOESTORM!!!!!!!!

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by AM18 on Jan 12, 2012 12:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Thought Burke’s take on Gustavsson, if true, was the best thing in part 1.

by mf37 on Jan 12, 2012 12:37 AM EST reply actions  

God I hate Cox and Mcgowan

I don’t known how Burke does it…I love the man..

by Beleaf on Jan 12, 2012 10:31 AM EST reply actions  

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