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JVR's comparison to other forwards picked in the top 5 of the NHL Draft


JVR for Schenn is a hot topic right now among Leaf fans. I decided to take a look at how JVR's career thus far compares to the career of other top 5 forward draft picks from 2000-2009. I looked at the top 5 picks as a comparison since most folks here have taken this pedigree into account when discussing the merits of trading for him. Also considered the ages of 20-25 since that seemed like a good age group to determine how players did before JVR's current age and how they progressed afterward. It's my first fanpost and there's nothing fancy going on but suggestions are certainly welcome

Stats from Hockey DB and are presented in Games Played, Goals, Assist and Points. Production for each player is listed along with the age at which they were playing.

2000

Dany Heatley (2nd overall)

@20:77 41 48 89

@21: 31 13 12 25

@22: Lockout

@23: 82 50 53 103

@24: 82 50 55 105

Marian Gaborik (3rd Overall):

@20:81 30 35 65

@21: 65 18 22 40

@22: Lockout

@23: 65 38 28 66

@24: 48 30 27 57

Rostislav Klesla (4th Overall)

@20: 72 2 14 16

@21: 47 2 11 13

@22: Lockout

@23: 51 6 13 19

@24: 75 9 13 22

Raffi Torres (5th overall)

@20: 14 0 1 1

@21: 17 0 5 5

@22: 80 20 14 34

@23: Lockout

@24: 82 27 14 41

2001

Ilya Kovalchuk (1st overall)

@20: 81 41 46 87

@21: Lockout

@22: 78 52 46 98

@23: 82 42 34 76

@24: 79 52 35 87

Jason Spezza (2nd Overall):

@20: 78 22 33 55

@21: Lockout

@22: 68 19 71 90

@23: 67 34 53 87

@24: 76 34 58 92

Alexandr Svitov (3rd Overall)

@20: 40 2 9 11

@21: Lockout

@22: not in NHL

@23: 76 7 11 18

@24: Not in NHL

Stephen Weiss (4th overall)

@20: 50 12 17 29

@21: Lockout

@22: 41 9 12 21

@23: 74 20 28 48

@24: 74 13 29 42

Stanislav Chistov (5th overall)

@20: 56 2 16 18

@21: Lockout

@22: Not in NHL

@23: 1 0 0 0

@24: 60 5 8 13

2002

Rick Nash (1st overall)

@20: Lockout

@21: 54 31 23 54

@22: 75 27 30 57

@23: 80 38 31 69

@24: 78 40 39 79

2003:

Eric Staal (2nd Overall):

@20: Lockout

@21: 82 45 55 100

@22: 82 30 40 70

@23: 82 38 44 82

@24: 82 40 35 75

Nathan Horton (3rd Overall)

@20: 71 28 19 47

@21: 82 31 31 62

@22: 82 27 35 62

@23: 67 22 23 45

@24: 65 20 37 57

Nikolai Zherdev (4th overall)

@20: Lockout

@21: 73 27 27 54

@22: 71 10 22 32

@23: 82 26 35 61

@24: 82 23 35 58

Thomas Vanek (5th overall)

@20: Lockout

@21: 81 25 23 48

@22: 82 43 41 84

@23: 82 36 28 64

@24: 73 40 24 64

2004:

Alex Ovechkin (1st overall)

@20: 81 52 54 106

@21: 82 46 46 92

@22: 82 65 47 112

@23: 79 56 54 110

@24: 72 50 59 109

Evgeni Malkin (2nd Overall):

@20: 78 33 52 85

@21: 82 47 59 106

@22: 82 35 78 113

@23: 67 28 49 77

@24: 43 15 22 37

Andrew Ladd (4th overall)

@20: 29 6 5 11

@21: 65 11 10 21

@22: 63 14 16 30

@23: 82 15 34 49

@24: 82 17 21 38

Blake Wheeler (5th overall)

@20: Not in NHL

@21: Not in NHL

@22: 81 21 24 45

@23: 82 18 20 38

@24: 58 11 16 27

2005:

Sidney Crosby (1st overall)

@20: 53 24 48 72

@21: 77 33 70 103

@22: 81 51 58 109

@23: 41 32 34 66

@24: 8 2 10 12 (so far)

Bobby Ryan (2nd Overall):

@20: 23 5 5 10

@21: 64 31 26 57

@22: 81 35 29 64

@23: 82 34 37 71

@24: 41 15 10 25 (so far)

Benoit Pouliot (4th overall)

@20: 3 0 0 0

@21: 11 2 1 3

@22: 37 5 6 11

@23: 53 17 11 28

@24: 79 13 17 30

2006:

Jordan Staal (2nd Overall):

@20: 82 22 27 49

@21: 82 21 28 49

@22: 42 11 19 30

@23: 34 15 6 21 (so far)

Jonathan Toews (3rd Overall)

@20: 82 34 35 69

@21: 76 25 43 68

@22: 80 32 44 76

@23: 43 22 20 42(so far)

Nicklas Backstrom (4th overall)

@20: 82 14 55 69

@21: 82 22 66 88

@22: 82 33 68 101

@23: 77 18 47 65

@24: 38 13 29 42 (so far)

Phil Kessel (PHIL!!!!) (5th overall)

@20: 82 19 18 37

@21: 70 36 24 60

@22: 70 30 25 55

@23: 82 32 32 64

@24: 42 24 24 48 (SO FAR!!!!!!!)

2007:

Patrick Kane (1st overall)

@20: 80 25 45 70

@21: 82 30 58 88

@22: 73 27 46 73

@23: 43 10 28 38 (so far)

JVR (2nd Overall): Will get to him in a bit

Kyle Turris (3rd Overall)

@20: Not In NHL

@21: 65 11 14 25

@22: 17 1 7 8 (so far)

2007:

Patrick Kane (1st overall)

@20: 80 25 45 70

@21: 82 30 58 88

@22: 73 27 46 73

@23: 43 10 28 38 (so far)

JVR (2nd Overall): Will get to him in a bit

Kyle Turris (3rd Overall)

@20: Not In NHL

@21: 65 11 14 25

@22: 17 1 7 8 (so far)

2008:

Steven Stamkos (1st overall)

@20: 82 45 46 91

@21: 41 29 18 47 (so far...)

2009:

John Tavares (1st overall)

@20: 79 29 38 67

@21: 40 14 25 39 (so far...)

Matt Duchene (3rd Overall)

@20: 39 12 12 24 (so far)

Evander Kane (4th overall)

@20: 41 18 13 31 (so far)

Brayden Schenn (5th overall)

@20: 13 2 1 3 (so far)

And now, the stats you've all already read and analyzed a couple dozen times:

James Van Riemsdyk (2nd Overall in 2007):

@20: 78 15 20 35

@21: 75 21 19 40

@22: 36 11 11 22 (so far)




My take: He hasn't really performed thus far to the caliber of a star top 5 pick. This is not to say that he won't develop into a first liner but his counting stats don't really scream a young player ready to make the jump to stardom. Most top 5 picks who turned out to be stars had already started piling up significant goal and/or point totals at the 20-21 age. My comparable for him would be Blake Wheeler but he played his rookie season at age 22.

Right now, I would not do a straight up deal for the two as it would be trading Schenn at likely the lowest value of his Maple Leaf tenure while bringing in someone who isn't a sure bet to exceed the production that can be provided through internal means. Mind you, Schenn is no sure thing either and has probably played his worst hockey this season, but people smarter than me have pointed out that it takes young defensemen far longer to become shutdown material in the big leagues. Also, I am not sure what else the Flyers could include along with JVR as I doubt they would be willing to pay much more for a shutdown D-man who is anything but at this point. Put your ideas in the comments.


Comments and Suggestions are welcome.

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