What A Night!
On the night that the impending Maple Leafs-Red Wings Winter Classic was basically confirmed by Bob McKenzie Pierre Gauthier made sure that he would steal the limelight. Here is the trade made by the Montreal Canadiens and the Calgary Flames:
To Montreal
Rene Bourque, prospect Patrick Holland, and a 2nd round pick in 2013
To Calgary
Mike Cammalleri, the KHL's Karri Ramo, and a 5th round pick in 2012
To Hockey Fans Everywhere
Multiple LOLs, some ROFLs in 2014, and punchlines to be named often and repeatedly
This may be the rare trade that is a lose-lose. Yes, the Flames get a shot at Cammalleri possibly rebounding now that he is returning to the site of his best season ever. However, he is almost 30 years old, has a $6M cap hit, and cost a prospect and a pick. That's not exactly the best deal for a team that should be looking to rebuild.
On the other side of the equation, the Habs - who should also be rebuilding now - get an older player that has had a bad season, they get an anglophone with a French-sounding name (Plan The Protest!), they manage to get older, and he's not going to get them to the playoffs. Neither team really added what they needed but this is great for us. Not to mention that pulling Cammalleri out of the game to send him to the hotel because he was traded is just bush league. You can add that trick to Gauthier's mishandled canning of Perry Pearn, his ill-timed firing of Jacques Martin, and the club's hilarious handling of Randy Cunneyworth's tenure to the list of things that have tarnished the franchise's fading legacy. I bet Habs fans are probably feeling like it's 1995.
Onto a bevy of links after the jump!
Leafs Links
Leafs to Play Wings in 2013 Winter Classic
In case you didn't read the post below or only read this one, I talk about the league's worst kept secret.
What will it take for the Leafs to make the NHL's second season? Find out!
Dion Phaneuf ‘won’t lose sleep’ over being named the NHL’s most overrated player
Friend of the blog Sean Fitz-Gerald gets some answers about the overrated rankings and which ranking Komisarek preferred.
Anthony Petrielli answers some questions. I hope he types fast because that's a lot of information!
NHLers who labelled Maple Leafs' Dion Phaneuf overrated are just green with envy
Somebody is trying to get back into Brian Burke's good books.
Hatred For Leafs Trending Upward
Remember when Chemmy said that he was sick of the pity? Revel in the growing hate.
Cammalleri Links
SBN's Matchsticks And Gasoline's thread features some good reactions
SBN's Habs Eyes On The Prize's thread mostly features fans wondering what prize it is that Gauthier has his eyes on.
Canadiens trade Michael Cammalleri and his big mouth to Calgary Flames
Puck Daddy weighs in on the trade.
Montreal Canadiens Trade Mike Cammalleri To Calgary Flames For Rene Bourque: Who Won The Deal?
Travis Hughes weighs in on the trade and picks...well, you have to click to find out.
This is a lot of fun.
Daniel Tolensky's Twitter Feed
Watch him fly into stats overdrive to hype up Mike Cammalleri. What's that? Pulver Sports, his employer, represents Cammy? No kidding.
NHL Links
This is a scathing look at how the Habs have fallen so far from grace.
Report: Philly police issue arrest warrant for Winter Classic assault on Rangers fans
Philadelphia police are about to arrest the piece of shit that put the Rangers' fan in the hospital.
Kings GM Dean Lombardi says he's sorry for slamming Oilers
Lombardi is a wimp.
Jarome Iginla and the Perils of Staying Loyal
Katie Baker with her weekly tour around the NHL with a heavy dose of Brian Burke
Columbus, True Talent, And The Limits Of Corsi
If this kind of thing floats your boat then I recommend it.
A look at the NHL all-star selections
Justin Bourne has some thoughts on the rest of the roster.
Fix the All-Star Game voting system; let the fans vote for the team captains
I like this solution to a game that I wouldn't be arsed if they cancelled.
Random Video Of Awesome Fan Trolling
The University of Alabama completely dominated LSU in the NCAA football title game. LSU didn't cross the 50 yard line until the fourth quarter. As luck would have it, the two schools played each other in basketball this week too and the Bama fans came up trump:
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WINTER CLASSIC
CLAP CLAP CLAPCLAPCLAP
Dion Phaneuf: turning the tunes up since '10
by thenumber14 on Jan 13, 2012 7:18 AM EST reply actions 5 recs
buttering up the family in Windsor for a free place to stay
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by elseldo on Jan 13, 2012 7:36 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
lucky, its only 60 bucks a night though so not too bad. 5 hour drive to ann arbor. Just gotta get tickets
by pho king awesome on Jan 13, 2012 7:39 AM EST up reply actions
yeah even with 100k or so avaialble it will still be hard.
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I wonder how much winter classic tickets go for, like nosebleeds
by pho king awesome on Jan 13, 2012 8:00 AM EST up reply actions
I bought one sin Buffalo for about $30 apiece.
but that was before it was a big deal, but with 115k seats (supposedly) i can’t imagine the worst of them will be more than that
Resident teetotaler married to a habs fan. Who is also not a fan of most dogs.
yeah, ill spend 100 for sure if i can get a ticket for that im happy
by pho king awesome on Jan 13, 2012 8:02 AM EST up reply actions
knowing Leafs fans luck, the Mayans will have turned out to be right.
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by elseldo on Jan 13, 2012 8:04 AM EST up reply actions 6 recs
hahaha, so true. Reading a broad street hockey article here it seems like its normal for a lottery to happen for the tickets, and then you can only buy two at a time. sucks if you have a group of 4 that wants to go, which is what i have
by pho king awesome on Jan 13, 2012 8:08 AM EST up reply actions
I will say this now. 2012 will be the longest year ever.
Resident teetotaler married to a habs fan. Who is also not a fan of most dogs.
by elseldo on Jan 13, 2012 8:00 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
It certainly looks like it’ll be the longest hockey year for the Leafs in quite a while.
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by Draglikepull on Jan 13, 2012 10:10 AM EST up reply actions
I dunno. Toskala years were looong
by pho king awesome on Jan 13, 2012 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
Heh, I meant in terms of playoffs.
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by Draglikepull on Jan 13, 2012 10:26 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The benefits of living in Windsor!
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by CanadianMaple09 on Jan 13, 2012 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
everyone stay at his house!
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I do have a futon available in my 1 bedroom apartment, conveniently located just 2 blocks from the entrance to the tunnel. ;D
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by CanadianMaple09 on Jan 13, 2012 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
Okay I’m definitely taking advantage of that.
99% of player salaries are payed out to only 1% of players. #OccupyNHL
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Dammit Ben, I will BATTLE YOU for the right to sleep on his futon.
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When folded out it’s somewhere between the size of a single and a double… if you guys wanna snuggle together I’m sure it would do just fine. Or if you bring a sleeping bag you can sleep on the floor haha!
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by CanadianMaple09 on Jan 13, 2012 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
To be honest, it’s nice to have a potential place to stay if I potentially head out there for the WC. But still, FUTON IS MINE
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which one? I couldn’t find any that would let me.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 13, 2012 9:50 AM EST up reply actions
hotels.com they make you pay up front though.. i cancelled it almost right away. one of the hotels i talked to said February they will start taking resos
by pho king awesome on Jan 13, 2012 9:52 AM EST up reply actions
We’re sorry, we cannot take your reservation at this time.
We haven’t decided how much we will be jacking up prices yet. Please try again later.
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by clrkaitken on Jan 13, 2012 9:53 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
i dont think im going to be able to sleep until october. you cant plan it out right now and its killing me
by pho king awesome on Jan 13, 2012 9:10 AM EST up reply actions
I know this is a terrible thing to say, but imagine if we book hotels and such in the ann-arbor area, then the NHL backs out and says it’s at comerica park?
ffffuuuu
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haha, well you can cancel the hotel pretty easy. Comerica park would SUCK compared to this football place
by pho king awesome on Jan 13, 2012 9:16 AM EST up reply actions
Silly question
But is it on the first or the second?
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1st is a Tuesday, so odds are it will be then. no NFL to interfere.
Resident teetotaler married to a habs fan. Who is also not a fan of most dogs.
I just don’t get how ppl are buying hotel rooms if they don’t know the day. Was it published or stated somewhere?
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They probably booked it from the 30th or 31st to the 2nd or 3rd… you know the general timeline and you won’t want to miss the Alumni game either or all the aprties
by WizardofNaz on Jan 13, 2012 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
No way I’m missing that alumni game. It’ll essentially be the early 90’s and late 90’s/early 2000’s Leafs against all the Wings players who won cups in 97 and 98 (except Lidstrom probably)
by Chi-town leafs on Jan 13, 2012 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
Are you kidding, Sittler is totally gunna play
by WizardofNaz on Jan 13, 2012 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
Put Bower in net!
"The Passion Continues..."
by WendelMadeMe on Jan 13, 2012 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
If Bower plays you know the wings will drag out Howe
by Chi-town leafs on Jan 13, 2012 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
And then the Leafs will have Cujo in net for the first period, at which point he’ll jump to the Red Wings in the second period. Leafs fans will all hate him until he makes a return in the third period to the Leafs net. However, at this point, he happens to be terrible, but makes a key save on Steve Yzerman late in the game to regain the hearts of Leafs faithful everywhere.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Jan 13, 2012 2:48 PM EST up reply actions
The Cammalleri trade was definitely a knee-jerk reaction. However, what Cammalleri did was completely unprofessional. When your team is not playing very well, the last thing it needs is some whiny, petulant crybaby bitching to the media about the team being a bunch of ‘losers’. You’re not going to improve a team’s situation by complaining; you’re just going to make things worse. You want to know how to improve a team’s fortunes? Here’s how: Work your ass off on the ice!
by magnetron on Jan 13, 2012 7:25 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
Agreed 100%. However if this was his escape plan it worked like a charm. Only person I feel sorry for is Randy Cunneyworth. Dude gets his dream job of coaching in the NHL only to be repeatedly thrown under the bus.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Jan 13, 2012 9:02 AM EST up reply actions
agreed
well written magnetron. COMPLETELY unprofessional. if you’re a professional athlete, you should treat your team and fans with respect (regardless of what is happening behind the scenes)…. if you’re a professional athlete making millions of dollars who isn’t living up to his potential… all the worse.
Or maybe what your team does need is a wake-up call. And a player saying that the team has a “losing mentality”, and practices & plays like they are going to lose is the kick in the ass the team might need.
They also sold low on one of their best players, but at least for them they may have also bought low in that trade.
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Montreal is not my team, Toronto is. But at any rate, if you want to voice your displeasure about how your team is playing no matter what team that may be, don’t go crying to the media.
He didn't go crying to the media
He got asked a question and answered honestly. I would honestly rather more players were honest. The Habs do need a wake up call.
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This
Like he said, he “thought it was a pretty PC way to answer the question” and it was the reporters who made it into a big issue.
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by theninjagreg on Jan 13, 2012 4:46 PM EST up reply actions
Yes he did.
He was whining to the media about the way the team was playing. Plus Camalleri is a backstabbing coward for going behind his teammates backs and throwing them under the bus in front of the media. He didn’t have the courage to say this to his teammates faces, so he took the cowardly approach of complaining about them to the media. I know that he was including himself in the ‘loser’ comment, but that doesn’t make it any better. Saying you’re team loses because they play like losers is a defeatist attitude and it should not be tolerated. It’s not honesty, it’s poor sportsmanship.
How do you know he didn’t say anything to his teammates?
by LeafInVancouver on Jan 13, 2012 7:00 PM EST up reply actions
I never said that he didn't say anything to his teammates.
He probably said a lot of things to his teammates behind closed doors-and that’s where it should stay. However, Camalleri decided not to do that with his ‘loser’ comment. He decided in this instance to go behind his teammates backs and drag them through the mud in front of the media. That is why I said it was unprofessional and that is why I called him a backstabbing coward.
Did he actually say the team was “losers”? I thought his comment was that they were playing with a “losing mentality” ie. they were lacking confidence and feeling sorry for themselves.
Also, by all accounts Cammalleri is a really hard worker who takes hockey very seriously.
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by Draglikepull on Jan 13, 2012 10:12 AM EST up reply actions
We’ll never truly know because it was a lost in translation deal. That being said, after getting shipped out I want Cammalleri to go “Yeah, I did call them losers. That’s what they are and that’s what they’ll always be.”
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Damn, well at least he’s going to quickly integrate into Calgary’s losing culture.
by Goosemonster on Jan 13, 2012 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I didn’t see anything wrong about what he said. The Habs started the season on a run of bad luck, nearly dug themselves out through continued hard work, but then when things started to go wrong again they just fell into a funk that they haven’t been able to pull out of. It sure looked from the outside that a losing mentality had set in, and I’m sure Cammalleri isn’t the only one pissed off about it.
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by Back In Black on Jan 13, 2012 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
I disagree.
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by theninjagreg on Jan 13, 2012 10:22 AM EST up reply actions
Here’s a really good observation by Barry Petchesky at Deadspin:
But here’s the fascinating thing about Montreal: players aren’t allowed to badmouth the franchise, but fans and reporters are constantly in a race to do it first and most brutally.
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Ottawa reporter doing some great investigory reporting....
7 Leaf players who should be traded
(Via Alec Brownstone on twitter)
this is the worst trolling i’ve ever seen
by pho king awesome on Jan 13, 2012 7:38 AM EST up reply actions
it is trolling right? he’s not… serious?
by pho king awesome on Jan 13, 2012 7:38 AM EST up reply actions
I can’t even justify this article with a real, thoughtful response.
by Goosemonster on Jan 13, 2012 7:52 AM EST up reply actions
hahaha, its hilarious. I cannot believe there are people that dumb in this world
by pho king awesome on Jan 13, 2012 8:00 AM EST up reply actions
Trade Grabbo for someone with more heart and consistency?
Trade Kadri because he can’t play in the NHL?
Trade Finger because… someone will take him?!?
OK, I agree with one of the points.
So, apparently I can now be followed.. but no stalking. @alsonamedphil
Apparently we should trade half our defence, our nominally-starting goal-tender, and our number 2 centre.
That’s not reloading for the playoffs, that’s rebuilding. I think this article was actually supposed to be about Calgary or Montreal.
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Why would anyone be reading an Ottawa paper in the first place?
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Jan 13, 2012 9:06 AM EST up reply actions
Well didn’t you know that by his age he is a bust. (He has more NHL GP than Cowan…)
About time that people finally realized how awesome Gunnar is...
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Yeah Schenn should have developed more in the minors and is a bust because he was rushed, Kadri is a bust because hes developing in the minors,clearing up his defensive lapses, and not playing in the NHL.
by Dr_Furious on Jan 13, 2012 11:12 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Oh, and Tyler Myers ought to win the Vezina.
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by jrwendelman on Jan 13, 2012 11:14 AM EST up reply actions
The Ottawa media reminds me of that awkward kid who gets laid for the first time and thinks he can suddenly give sex advice to anyone and everyone, except for the fact it is terrible.
Just because your team is on a hot streak doesn’t mean you have anything relevant to say.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Jan 13, 2012 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
what? trade Finger? well gosh darn it why has no one thought of that before?
oh yeah, BECAUSE HE’S IN THE AHL!
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until people try trolling the Leafs with that i forget he’s in the organization.
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heh, I know. Finger is less then a non-issue on this team
by pho king awesome on Jan 13, 2012 8:01 AM EST up reply actions
I went to a marlies game on dec 31st and some people were booing him.
by Tickle Me Aulie on Jan 13, 2012 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
Why waste your booze on finger?
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 13, 2012 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
I just don’t understand the logic of it..
he says things like “finger makes too much, you dont want players who make that much so you should trade him. same with komisarek..” who are going to be taking these guys?
and kadri.. lol that ones just a joke
I loved the “high level execs in the Leafs Org don’t think he can be an NHL regular” Since when? and who are these high level execs? Burke LOVES him some Kadri
Anyone who has watched Kadri even when he first got a chance to make the team sees he has incredible upside and could definitely be an NHL regular – probably top 6 – with enough conditioning and practice in the minors.
by Goosemonster on Jan 13, 2012 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
He’s showing in his most recent call up he’s definitely a NHLer
by WizardofNaz on Jan 13, 2012 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
Gustavsson may be able to provide a bit of return in the way of a solid and much need third line centre.
uh. I want a 1st line centre first. We have a bunch of 3rd line centres.
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But, do we have a thirst line centre?
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by FiftyMissionCap on Jan 13, 2012 2:52 PM EST up reply actions
Don’t give in to troll-hits:
Jeff Finger, “even for a seventh round pick.”
Mikhail Grabovski, “streaky. lacks heart and consistency.”
Jonas Gustavsson, for not being Reimer.
Nazem Kadri, “You can either play in this league or you can’t, and according to MLSE brass, he can’t.”
Mike Komisarek, For being bad.
Cody Franson, “Hit someone, Franson!”
Luke Schenn, “He’s turned into a HUGE defensive liability.”
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oh yeah, forgot about franson. its hilarious. someone is friends with Bill Watters.
also, he had a line about how schenn is always lying on the ice or something haha
haha yeah Franson not hitting LOL Franson has destroyed at least 7 or 8 people this year
by pho king awesome on Jan 13, 2012 9:01 AM EST up reply actions
yep bottom pair with lots of powerplay minutes. potential defensive upside.
by pho king awesome on Jan 13, 2012 9:06 AM EST up reply actions
I wonder if his next article will be about how too many people pay attention to the Leafs.
by Screaming Will on Jan 13, 2012 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
7 people Ottawa should trade
1. Jason Spezza – He’s got a goofy laugh and that just cuts through the dressing room intensity way too much. You can’t be a playoff team if you have a cartoon character jumping around while the team tries to gear up for battle.
2. Daniel Alfredsson – With fellow countrymen Sundin, Lidstrom, Forsberg, and Salming being the true legends of Sweden, Alfredsson barely squeaks in to the top 10 Swedish players of all-time. Who the hell want’s the 10th best Swede, and a geezer no less playing on a playoff team.
3. Nick Foligno – It won’t be long before Foligno finally snaps. He can only hide his true self for so long. It will come as no surprise to this scribe when Foligno demands to change helmets into a 1970’s spaghetti strainer and starts leaping after he scores the odd goal. The leaps could cause injury and word is Shannahan is ready to Shannaban any shifty shenanigans
4. Erik Karlsson – This inconsistent flash in the pan is European. So it goes without saying that he only shows up when he feels like it and generally doesn’t work hard, with the exception of concussing his own teammates. It’s good to trade high. Trade him for a bundle of picks. Picks win cups.
5. Milan Michalek – When he’s not being murdered by dangerously lazy European teammates Milan likes to hang out with his older brother Zbynek, eat pickled bratwurst and drink Czech pilsner. When he plays he never really wants to show up Zbynek so he keeps his goal totals under 25. With the exception of ’07, through which Zbynek refused to speak to him. Trade him while his value is high.
6. Mika Zibanejad – Some players can play in the NHL and some can’t. Zibanejad can’t. Ottawa’s top stock swindler agrees. Even though the Stockholm native has a stupid amount of skill (almost Chris Neil stupid) he just isn’t 6’4 220 and therefore gives the puck away when he’s being really cute. Trade him while the perceived value is high.
7. Bryan Murray – No offenthe to the man but You can’th keep bathing other GMth around the league in your thaliva and ethpect them to offer you good dealth. If thith thquad ith to thurvive the thuper thprint to the end of the theathon they thimply need thuperior playeth. Tho you mutht thwallow your pride and thupplant Murray from this pothition
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by Chuck Diesel on Jan 13, 2012 5:40 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Fired an assistant coach an hour before a game.
Fired the head coach the day of a game
Threw their interim head coach under the bus because of his language
Delayed the presentation of their monthly award to Carey Price to hold it for Halak’s return.
Traded a player a day after an honest assessment of his team’s problems.
Pulled that player from the game and informed him he was traded without telling him where he was going.
Seems like the only class left in the Montreal organization is Randy Cunneyworth’s French lessons.
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by clrkaitken on Jan 13, 2012 8:48 AM EST reply actions 26 recs
Traded a player a day after an honest assessment of his team’s problems.
It is really not the players place to say how the organization is runor what they think of the teams play. Also, he wasn’t accountable for his own play and said he felt he was doing well.
Just be honest, if he was a leaf, we’d be pissed.
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I think it is his place to say what he thinks of the team’s play.. he is on the team, he’s part of it. As far as how the organization is run, that’s different, but I thought his comments were fair.
and true, that organization is run like losers, look at clrkaitken’s comment about the things they’ve done in the past month!
by pho king awesome on Jan 13, 2012 8:56 AM EST up reply actions
Fair yes, but they should have been addressed internally as opposed to with the media. That’s like you having an issue with a friend, but instead of talking to your friend about it directly, you talk to everyone else about it. It doesn’t solve anything and just makes the friend look bad. Cammalleri just made the whole Montreal team look bad by talking to the media.
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You’re right, but I think the team made themselves look bad by playing and being run like shit. He just repeated what everyone was thinking making his team accountable. Kind of like saying “yeah, we’re not blind, we, or at least I am aware we’re shit”
that is assuming he hasn’t already talked to them behind closed doors.
by JohnerstonRex on Jan 13, 2012 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
i think he should’ve said what he needed to say behind the scenes, NOT to the press throwing everyone under the bus. what a douche-move….. of course it’s… montreal soo….. heh-heh-heh.
Why do you assume he didn’t say it behind the scenes? They’ve been stinking it up for a while now.
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by Back In Black on Jan 13, 2012 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
hmm…I can’t remember this happening before, except for this quote:
The most honest person in the orginization is Carlton the Bear, because he never says anything
-Dimitri Yushkevich
I liked it at the time, since it made him seem honest and not a cliche spewing robot.
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by elseldo on Jan 13, 2012 8:56 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
We want players to be honest until they say something bad about our team in which case we don’t.
No. Can’t have it both ways.
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by clrkaitken on Jan 13, 2012 8:57 AM EST up reply actions 6 recs
I miss that defence.
Yushkevich, Kaberle, McCabe (when he was good), Berard (I beleive), and then… well Cross had that overtime goal, I guess. But fuck Aki Berg
Hmm, upon further reflection, I seem to have missed Danny Markov… although I’m not sure who to take out instead
whatever happened to that crazy, drunk bastard? He’s gotta be still in “playing age” right now, doesn’t he? We could use a veteran presence on the blueline…
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I was looking at the defensemen the leafs had from 98 to lockout, it’s pretty impressive. Imagine kept Jason Smith/Markov, Yushkevich never had the blood clot, didn’t trade for Nolan, Pilar didn’t have his heart condition…
A boy can dream
Can’t complain about a contender making a trade for the piece that might put them over the top.
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nolan was a damn-near bona fide stud at that point man.
That's "Da-ooo". I killed a turkey once, with a shovel.
Its hard to let that one go for me dude.
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you have the right to be wrong as long as you want man.
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Thanks dude, I appreciate that.
For the record: I know it was a good trade for the leafs, I know this. Its a personal thing, I was a huge McCauley fan
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 13, 2012 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
There were a couple of times last year where MacArthur was critical of some of his team-mates, and I thought he was totally on the mark. I’ve got no problem with a guy on the Leafs coming out and saying publically that the team has to work harder if they’re not playing as well as they should be.
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by Draglikepull on Jan 13, 2012 10:16 AM EST up reply actions
yeah Mac was always a straight-shooter during losing streaks IE the first half of the season
by pho king awesome on Jan 13, 2012 10:19 AM EST up reply actions
I’ve actually got no problem with people speaking up, especially in tough circumstances. It all depends on the organization you’re in…. where you are in your pursuit of certain goals… who you are… what you say and how you say it… and whether you go external or remain internal.
All this talk about what’s “professional” is nonsense. It’s just a word. There’s no grand, golden rule that says what it means to handle this stuff right.
Sometimes when things are crappy internally, and the problem is really systemic, you have to punch a hole out through the wall to get it changed. If what he says is right, that they have a losers attitude and even practice like losers (which I’ve seen firsthand on teams I played on), then maybe you wake people up.
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by not norm ullman on Jan 13, 2012 10:21 AM EST up reply actions
And Steckel has blown up a few times re: penalty killing and holding a lead, IIRC.
by potvin vs hextall on Jan 13, 2012 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
I’d say often its framed as constructive criticism, which is important. saying “we suck, we’re not going to get better with the guys we have” or something equally ridiculous is a no-no, but saying “our PK has been terrible, and if we don’t work harder its going to drag us down” etc.
by Goosemonster on Jan 13, 2012 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
How is this really that different than Steckel saying somehting along the lines of the Leafs have no confidence on the PK, and were too afraid of giving up a goal, and we don’t play well and we got to do better because its no acceptable for an NHL team to be that bad at the PK.
He didn’t use the term losers but he basically said everything else
Guathier in his conference explained that “they had this deal in the works for over a month”, but yet the best time to trade him was during a game, in which they pulled him, for a player on suspension? Sounds like a perfectly executed trade.
The habs are pathetic right now. I feel really sorry for them. Why the GM hasn’t been fired ages ago is lunacy.. I hope its not coming from ownership.
Feaster said they had this in the works for a while too – typically teams do. Probably the public comments were the kick in the ass that Gautier needed to pull the trigger.
Feaster said they had this in the works for a while too
That’s kind of what Feaster said, but with an important caveat, at least according to this article in today’s Globe.
Presiding over all this is the hapless Gauthier. True to form, he tried to say Cammelleri’s trade had nothing to do with him questioning the dedication of the team. That whopper lasted as long as it took to get hold of Flames GM Jay Feaster. He agreed trade talks had been held before Cammalleri’s outburst on Wednesday. But when the other key figure in the deal, Flames forward Rene Bourque, was suspended by the NHL on Jan. 4, the talks broke off.
"From a timing perspective, we hadn’t spoken since right before the Bourque suspension," Feaster said. "Whether that was something that prompted it from Pierre’s perspective, I don’t know."
In other words, Feaster said they had talked about it, but talks broke off when Bourque was suspended on January 4th, and that they hadn’t spoken since. Methinks Gauthier saying Cammy’s outburst had nothing to do with it is horse hockey.
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by jrwendelman on Jan 13, 2012 10:08 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I feel really sorry for them.
I don’t. Fuck the Habs!
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by Frag on Jan 13, 2012 11:15 AM EST up reply actions 11 recs
While I agree with the "Fuck the Habs" approach
(It is nearly a religion of mine). Pitying them is pretty mean to. Nobody likes to be pitied.
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Did Habs fans pity us when we had the shit years that we did? No, they just trolled harder and harder at us, going on all LAFFS 1967 and how we were a joke that would never be good again.
So, you know what? Fuck ’em. Fuck the Habs. Burn motherfuckers burn.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Jan 13, 2012 2:55 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Burn motherfuckers burn.
One cop car at a time.
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it's sad, but living in B.C. has caused me to hate the Canucks more than the Habs. almost.
by Kevin Costner on Jan 13, 2012 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
Best night ever
Leafs in the Winter Classic, & LOLHABS
I can’t believe Gauthier executed the trade when he did, that seriously has to be a new low for the Montreal organization. How can ownership actually allow this clown to continue managing this team? This season has been a serious clusterfuck and gong show for Montreal… Can’t say I’m not enjoying it (I’m actually pretty thrilled) but this is some seriously awful management, perhaps even worse than JFJ in Toronto.
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Habs Eyes on the Prize is even more hilarious, their reactions are absolutely PRICEless (heh)
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Desparation
Fire Gauthier and hire 1,000 monkeys with typewriters.
As long as 70 minutes of ice time is being doled out to AHLers and Matt Ellis, the Sabres are basically doomed
by Ubiquitous on Jan 13, 2012 10:00 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Honestly, that would probably make the Habs better
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they probably don’t even need 1000 monkeys.
by Goosemonster on Jan 13, 2012 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah they’d first have the fire all the monkeys that were unilingual anglophones.
As long as 70 minutes of ice time is being doled out to AHLers and Matt Ellis, the Sabres are basically doomed
by Ubiquitous on Jan 13, 2012 11:29 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
putain de calice, ils sont tous des anglophones!!!
by Goosemonster on Jan 13, 2012 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
If you can teach a chimpanzee to play Pacman, surely running the Habs better than Gauthier isn’t a very big step up:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7ttRaXlnfs
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by Draglikepull on Jan 13, 2012 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
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by FiftyMissionCap on Jan 13, 2012 2:57 PM EST up reply actions
This was the best reaction (from DownGoesBrown)
I remember really wanting to see the 2009 Maple Leafs acquire Mike Cammalleri. And now they have!
by The Norris on Jan 13, 2012 10:48 AM EST up reply actions 8 recs
Mckenzie’s article about it seems to say he’s laughing at Calgary more. I just can’t decide who to laugh at more to be honest.
by pho king awesome on Jan 13, 2012 9:09 AM EST up reply actions
This is a trade where no one wins.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Jan 13, 2012 9:10 AM EST up reply actions
Lies!
We (the fans of the rest of the NHL) win out of humour!
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Should be phrased, A trade where neither team involved wins. Hilarity ensues for everyone else.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Jan 13, 2012 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
Remember when Cammalleri was shooting 25% in the playoffs and he was Montreal’s chosen one? How times have changed.
The thing that makes me laugh is...
That Pierre Gauthier pulled off the seemingly impossible – got rid of a millstone contract (and a beefier actual salary) and somehow managed to still look like an idiot doing it. Bob Mckenzie and others have pointed out that Bourque’s scoring numbers over the last few years are comparable to Cammy’s, that being a bigger player he plays at least a little defence unlike the recently departed Keebler Elf; oh, and Bourque is cheaper too.
And still, Gauthier looks like an idiot.
Not as big an idiot as Jay Feaster, in my opinion, but still like an idiot. The only way I see this trade making any sense from Calgary’s perspective is if Cammy’s hockey bag is stuffed with smoked meat sandwiches and fresh bagels when he hops the flight out west.
Let’s see this trade for what it is: a gift, by two very stupid men, to us the fans. On this, the day of our Winter Classic quasi-confirmation. And you thought Christmas was over!
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I don’t know how Feaster can be so stupid. He should be rebuilding and still manages to send off a 2nd. I mean he gets younger and Cammalleri could work out with Iginla like he did a few years ago, but they’re both older now. Regardless, the team as a whole is so old and locked into no movement clauses I have no idea why he keeps added pieces and trading 2nd round picks.
I honestly think I could be a more compitant GM
I just said that about JFJ funny enough
by pho king awesome on Jan 13, 2012 9:20 AM EST up reply actions
I 100% agree. Cammalleri is a talented player and had some chemistry with Iginla in the past. Both those guys are likely to produce after this trade but…to what end? Taking on a contract with a $6M cap hit (and a $7M salary) for a 29 year old guy on pace for 20 does not sound like a rebuilding move to me. And giving up the 2nd to boot…Calgary’s cupboard is getting awfully bare. Flames fans could be in for some grim years ahead.
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It’s rearranging the deck chairs on the titanic, it’s postponing the inevitable, it’s a step in the wrong direction, and a hint that the GM might be targeting the wrong assets.
I haven’t decided which team I’m talking about yet.
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by Bower Power on Jan 13, 2012 9:24 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Agree. I said to Wysh last night that I thought it was the Titanic and Lusitania trading deck chairs.
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Its worse than rearranging teh deck chairs. It is rearranging the deck chairs and giving away 2 life boats (2013 second (because they already traded away the 2012 second) and a prospect). Makes no sense!
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The Pierre Gauthier collided with the Feaster in a dense brainfog 21 miles off the coast of Nantucket. It’s in my book, “Astonishing Tales of Idiocy”
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by Isosceles Kramer on Jan 13, 2012 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
Feaster said on Sportsnet that Ramo was an important pickup for them because they were really high on him in TB when he was there. Maybe Feaster is going to be a GM for a KHL team?
he’s like a 25 year old goalie in the KHL. Is he coming to NA? Doesnt seem likely.
by Goosemonster on Jan 13, 2012 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t think Feaster has much control about the direction of the Flames right now. There has to be an ownership mandate to keep things together, right?
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Is being incompetent a requirement for GMs of Canadian teams? Is that why the Leafs hired an American?
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I think it’s tough to be a good GM – the magnification of the Canadian markets make it that much tougher. Reverse the TOR-NSH trade, and say the leafs gave away an injjured second line centre (who’s uninsured) and say, Gardiner, he’d be roasted.
Uh, he’d be roasted because a team with the pockets of Toronto shouldn’t be trading away players just because they’re uninsured.
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by Bower Power on Jan 13, 2012 10:22 AM EST up reply actions
Pretend it was the Jets instead.
As long as 70 minutes of ice time is being doled out to AHLers and Matt Ellis, the Sabres are basically doomed
But that’s just it – the only way any GM does that trade is if it’s because they have a big player to re-sign and the team isn’t long on cash. Saying “pretend it’s a different franchise, then it’ll be a bad trade” is like saying “pretend it’s a bad trade – then it’s a bad trade!”
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by Bower Power on Jan 13, 2012 10:29 AM EST up reply actions
Exactly. Acquiring Brian Rolston would have been a stupid move this summer for the Bruins because of their cap situation, but I don’t see anything wrong with the Islanders having done it.
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by Draglikepull on Jan 13, 2012 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
I think it’s a bad trade even with context – you could’ve gotten less Lebda and more picks if you needed to move Lombardi/Franson.
Which other teams do you think had both the cap space and the real dollars to take on a $3.5 million player who his team thought might not play this season?
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by Draglikepull on Jan 13, 2012 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
I for on am shocked he both got Franson and ditched Lebda. I thought it would be one or the other.
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No he wouldn’t trade Lebda for Lombardi. Lombardi was thought to have not been playing and Lebda could have just gone to the Marlies.
by Ben Schnell on Jan 13, 2012 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
He would have ended up on our LTIR. Or we could have traded them something of minimal value for Franson and Lombardi (like a conditional 7th) instead of something with negative value (like Lebda). I understand we had something they want (the financial muscle to take on Lombardi), but Burke still did a good job maximizing that asset.
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I seem to recall Burke saying that the trade was primarily orchestrated by Nonis, who was observant enough to realize that the Predators might need to unload some salary and initiate the deal.
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by Draglikepull on Jan 13, 2012 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
Nonis has been behind quite a few of their deals, at least sniffing them out and then letting Burke know. I remember Burke saying Lombadi/Franson/Lebda was almost 100% Nonis.
by Goosemonster on Jan 13, 2012 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
Okay. Well done by Nonis.
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Honestly if Burke didn’t have Nonis this team wouldn’t be nearly as good. Burke sets the plan etc, but Nonis is the finisher. The one who makes things happen
by WizardofNaz on Jan 13, 2012 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
Well you don’t really know that.
First of all Burke hired Nonis so its not like Nonis is just here doing all the work.. its his job, and he works for Burke.
That leads Burke to give Nonis a lot of responsibility, and just because Nonis does it does not mean that Burke wouldn’t be able to. The reason Nonis is doing these deals over Burke is because Burke trusts him and allows him to. Burke might be able to get the same thing.
Also, all we know is that Burke always credits Nonis, but we don’t know who is actually doing what, just what Burke tells us.
With that said, I love Nonis
by Ben Schnell on Jan 13, 2012 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
Burke has said in the past that some of these deals don’t get done if it weren’t for Nonis. For instance the Nashville deal.
by WizardofNaz on Jan 13, 2012 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
The other night on the fan Burke mentined how the Leafs pay Nonis a lot of money to have the right to block his negotiations with other teams.
He said Nonis is basically Toronto’s Jim Nill, which is pretty high praise.
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by Draglikepull on Jan 13, 2012 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
Its a great fit for both Nonis and the Leafs. Nonis gets GM level money, gets to be hidden behind the scene and gets to do all the fun stuff about being a GM like talking trades. He doesn’t get blamed by the media, isn’t hounded like Burke, and probably doesn’t have to do things like balance the books etc that Burke has to do that isn’t as fun
Using “imagine if you were responsible for bringing Toronto a Cup” is a hell of a sales pitch for any league executive. Burke’s brought it up enough times himself
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by T is for Truculence on Jan 13, 2012 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
That’s not what I’m saying. I’m saying that if you were going the add no salary route to make room for Suter/Weber, then you get picks back – at least those are assets. Lebda is like a negative asset.
Why do you assume such a deal was ever on the table? Maybe the deal was “Take Lebda or we’re not interested” and Poile didn’t have anyone else willing to take Lombardi’s contract.
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by Draglikepull on Jan 13, 2012 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
Exactly, I am just impressed he both got rid of Lebda and got Franson. I would have thought offering Franson would have been enough to get rid of Lombardi.
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Judging from the fact that Nonis approached Nashville. There’s always room for discussion – no one is going to flip over the table and scatter the chips because you come back with a counter offer. I always think there’s a discussion – you don’t think there was. We can agree that we see things differently.
Gillis has been good for Vancouver and they’re in a win-now mode.
Cheveldayoff has been on the job basically a week and I think it was smart to not commit to anything major so he can figure out what he’s got and what his team’s direction should be.
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Why does everyone forget the Ballard trade? He traded a first, Bernier (nothing really there), and Grabner (a Calder finalist) for a guy he made a healthy scratch!
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I think Gillis’ good moves outweigh his bad moves.
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by Draglikepull on Jan 13, 2012 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
They do but didn’t he win the GM of the year last year? It pissed me off when that trade was last year and for that alone he did not deserve it.
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Has Gillis even done any major building in Van? Not the Sedins, Kesler, Lolongo – I know he brought in some ok guys at the deadline but thats not a genius GM
The only major piece he’s added is Dan Hamhuis. And potentially David Booth, who just hasn’t been the same since Mike Richards tried to decapitate him. But I think Hamhuis was a really solid pickup, and he’s done a good job of adding role players to support their core.
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by Draglikepull on Jan 13, 2012 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
The Sedin and Kesler contracts are also pretty good value.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 13, 2012 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t give him that much credit for figuring out how to re-sign his players. You don’t have to be that crafty a wheeler-and-dealer to convince your players to stay in a winning situation and avoid having to sell their houses, pull their children out of school, and move cross-country.
Right because no GM has ever overpaid for players or lost them to free-agency.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 13, 2012 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
I agree with that to a degree, but the Sedins are getting $6.1MM each. Pretty sure they’d get enough more than that in UFA to make up for the inconveniences.
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by puckurgently on Jan 13, 2012 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
Burke was on a plane to Sweden, ready with an offer to the Sedins the day they signed their extensions. I’m willing to bet that Burke was going to offer them more money than that.
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by Draglikepull on Jan 13, 2012 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, but getting them on good contracts is a job well done. For example he did well with the Sedins and Kesler but horrible with Luongo.
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As Plea pointed out he did a good job on the Sedin/Kesler contracts.
He also brought in Hamhuis on a reasonable deal, and took Ehrhoff in a salary dump. He did a good job in building their depth too.
But in regards to actually bringing players to last years team? The only top 6 forwad and top 4 D-men he brought in were Samuelsson (not a big deal), Hamhuis, and he may have drafted Raymond.
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And
Ehrhoff as I mentioned…
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He also added all the depth to that team that’s made them such a good contender (Higgins, Lapierre (douche or not), etc.)
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Malhotra was a really good signing. He’s allowed Vigneault to insulate his best offensive players to a pretty crazy degree. I was hoping the Leafs would pick him up that summer.
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by Draglikepull on Jan 13, 2012 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
We weren’t in the position to be paying a guy like Malholtra 2.5 by 3 particularly at his age.
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Look at his contract history prior to signing with the Canucks. I figured at the time he’d come a lot cheaper than that:
http://capgeek.com/players/display.php?id=590
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by Draglikepull on Jan 13, 2012 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
Oh okay than yeah. I agree. I remember at first thinking they way overpaid to get him, but people than pointed out (and I agreed) that it was appropriate for a team like Vancouver to get a guy like that, to push them over the top.
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For sure. Higgins, Lapierre (as you mentioned), Malholtra, Torres, and Orescovich up front were all him.
On the back end he brought in Tanev, Rome, and Alberts.
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He’s done some good deals but it only pisses me off because Vancouver is what it is because of the guys in OUR front office.
I’ve said it before, and i’ll say it again. Burke and Nonis laid the foundation and built the house. Gillis just put in the carpeting.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Jan 13, 2012 3:00 PM EST up reply actions
The same can be said of Burke’s cup winning team in Anaheim. The D was all him, but a lot of the forwards and Giggy were there before him.
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I think this answers my question from last week as to which of Anaheim or Calgary will be the first to admit it actually needs to rebuild. It’ll clearly be Anaheim.
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by Draglikepull on Jan 13, 2012 10:20 AM EST up reply actions
Calgary will not admit to a rebuild until the moment Jarome Iginla leaves the orginzation.
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I don’t think Anaheim needs to rebuild all that much. What they need to do is be able to spend actual money on their team depth.
Not to mention they get to clear up 5.5 mil in cap space this off season as Hagman and Blake are UFA’s, add in 6.5 for Selanne and Koivu, 3.8 from Beauch and a bunch of others they’ll have almost 28 million in cap space although with 12 spaces needed to be filled. However most of those spots are the lower lines.
Maybe he believes that Kipper is a 0.940 goalie like Tambellini believes for Kabbi and when Kipper gets up there they’ll make the playoffs.
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Either one of those players could easily have been traded for a good young prospect. In fact, probably the smartest thing the respective GMs could do at this point would be to flip them again at the trade deadline.
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by Back In Black on Jan 13, 2012 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
I actually would like to go on the record as saying that cammalleri is in my good books again now that he is a flame.
He’s gonna hate the habs so bad for the rest of his career for bumbling through this whole debacle.
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They must have gotten taller in the trade?
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by fair_n_hite_451 on Jan 13, 2012 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
as long as Gomez doesn’t score anytime soon we’ll be fine.
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He’s on LTIR too isn’t he? He last played a game on Nov. 23 so It’d be stupid not to have him on it.
As long as 70 minutes of ice time is being doled out to AHLers and Matt Ellis, the Sabres are basically doomed
Another article to add to the links by Gabe. It’s a look at the finishing talent discrepancy between players on different lines.
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Good to see Gabe coming on board the shooting percentage is a talent but his shooting percentages seem strangely low. Tom Awad did a very similar study (almost a year and a half ago!!) and his first tier players had a shooting percentage of 9.1% vs Gabe’s first tier of 7.97% (which is actually awfully close to the 5v5 league average shooting percentage so makes no sense). So, while I agree with Gabe’s conclusion, the numbers don’t make sense.
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by HockeyAnalysis on Jan 13, 2012 9:33 AM EST up reply actions
He did organize the lines by time on ice, so it won’t be adept at placing the skilled offensive players in the right tier based on skill due to variance in how each player plays defensively, and how coaches utilize their players. Basically what I’m trying to say is it skews for 2-way forwads, as they’ll have more TOI/G due to being out late to protect close leads, and have more PK time.
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Maybe, but if his best group is (what I consider anyway) league average the average using his stats would be significantly lower. Maybe he is using 5v5close or something instead of 5v5 (not sure if there is that much of a difference, but maybe). Who knows. He never explains the details like that.
Tom Awad tiered his players based on ES TOI/game. Not sure exactly how Gabe did it but it appears the same way. Again, he doesn’t explain details like that.
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by HockeyAnalysis on Jan 13, 2012 9:44 AM EST up reply actions
behindthenet.ca uses missed shots when calculating shooting percentage. Could that be the difference?
by stevesmith19 on Jan 13, 2012 10:03 AM EST up reply actions
That could be it, and if so, I think its more valuable than what Tom Awad did because the missed shots should be factored into accuracy.
by Ben Schnell on Jan 13, 2012 10:06 AM EST up reply actions
Missed shots could be the reason and while there is some rationality as to why you should include missed shots, it really isn’t going to make much of a difference to the results. The correlation between shots and fenwick (shots + missed shots) is extremely high.
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by HockeyAnalysis on Jan 13, 2012 10:10 AM EST up reply actions
Gabe should do it by road games as the coach can’t as easily pick the matchup he prefers. I’m not sure if he shows first liners are better shooters or if first liners face easier competition.
The problem some have with sh% how much it can vary over a shifts, games and years. Purist statistician will dismiss SH% because of consistency (as well as the regression explaining goals is very low). Regarding, consistency, if you take a player over all combinations of 20 random games the “consistency” of SH% is low (that is, they will be streaky at times, consistent during other and slumping the rest). So for them, they would dismiss it as being a non reliable indicator.
If you add Fenwick + player PDO the consistency improves significantly (as well as the overall regression explaining goals by the player) but the consistency is not as “strong” as Corsi or Fenwick so they will side with a measure that is not as strong at explaining goals but does explains goal scoring much more consistently.
Not that I agree with one or the other just stating their position.
Consistency and sample size issues is definitely an issue. My beef is how people deal with it. To me there are two easy ways of dealing with it.
1. Ignore it and stick with corsi/fenwick.
2. Increase the sample size to reduce the random fluctuations.
I am clearly in the second camp and my rationale is no matter how hard you try, their is a ceiling as to how good your evaluations are. In any corsi/fenwick analysis you will never, ever, get better than 40 or 50% accuracy because at best it only tells you about 40-50% of the game. There are issues with the second method as well but at least for players where you have a large enough sample size there is at least the potential to get a much better evaluation than 40-50%.
If I were a GM in the league my primary evaluation tool would be a 3+ year goal-based statistical evaluation (goals essentially combine fenwick and PDO). For players that have less than 3 years experience I’d probably start with a goal based analysis but then break it down into components (fenwick, percentages) as well as scouting reports so I can get an idea of how much confidence I should have in the goal based analysis.
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by HockeyAnalysis on Jan 13, 2012 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
Two points.
1. Half the time first liners will face tougher competition (on the road) and half the time the first liners will face weaker competition (at home) so I think it probably more or less washes out.
2. If what you say is correct though that first liners play against weaker competition which is why their shooting percentages is higher then really what you are saying is that while players may not be able to control their own shooting percentage they can inhibit their oppositions. It has to be one or the other or some combination of both. You can’t have neither true and the truth is, most evidence indicates players have a stronger ability to drive their own shooting percentages than the defenders have at inhibiting it.
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by HockeyAnalysis on Jan 13, 2012 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
The first point is fair.
On second point:
most evidence indicates players have a stronger ability to drive their own shooting percentages than the defenders have at inhibiting it.
I haven’t seen this study but I think (and haven’t done the study) that we will see SH% is impacted by the quality of competition they face which is one of the reasons that shooting percentage is so varied game to game. Looking to see if a player can drive their on ice SV% (and this has more data points then a players SH%) maybe more significant then looking at driving SH% specifically.
I think it’s pretty unlikely that players can significantly impact on-ice SV%. Look at where guys like Weber, Chara, Lidstrom etc. have ranked in recent seasons in terms of on-ice SV% compared to their team-mates. If defenders really do have a significant effect on on-ice SV%, then basically everyone is wrong about who is good at defence.
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by Draglikepull on Jan 13, 2012 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
Those guys also play against players who have above average shooting percentages so if their on-ice save percentages look average they probably are inhibiting the opponents shooting percentage. That said, I think a defenders ability to inhibit oppositions shooting percentage is significantly smaller than the oppositions ability to drive their own.
Also, score effects tell us that when players want to play defensively (i.e. when they have a lead to protect) they can reduce opponents shooting percentage.
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by HockeyAnalysis on Jan 13, 2012 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t know if there have been any actual studies on this, but my guess would be that teams playing from behind have a lower SH% largely because they’re willing to take more low-chance shots because they figure they have to just throw pucks at the net as much as possible.
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by Draglikepull on Jan 13, 2012 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
To trailing teams shoot more less quality shots or do defending teams allow more lower quality shots.
We know when teams like Switzerland play Canada in international competitions they go into a defensive shell. They give up a ton of shots but generally not a proportionally high number of goals. My guess is defending teams do the same. It’s the bend but don’t break mentality.
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by HockeyAnalysis on Jan 13, 2012 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
I think part of the problem of SH% talent being reproduceable is with PDO. We know PDO must sum to 1 across the league. So some may use that logic to say if SV% is (or is not) driveable then likewise SH% must be (or not be) a driveable stat.
The problem is there is ambiguity if players themselves or teams can drive PDO that are not 1.
I don’t see the conflict here. When a player has above average shooting percentage it is getting off set by a player who has below average shooting percentage. Ability to drive shooting percentage is independent from ability to suppress opposition shooting percentage.
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by HockeyAnalysis on Jan 13, 2012 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
There is a larger variation in on-ice shooting percentages across the league than there is in on-ice save percentages. I’d hazard a guess that a good chunk of the variation in on-ice save percentages is due to the variance in goalie talent across the league where as the variation in goalie talent faced by shooters would be much smaller.
I did a study using my HARO+ (offense) and HARD+ (defense) ratings and found far more variation in HARO+. Variations in scoring is driven more by players ability to drive offense rather than their opponents ability to inhibit it.
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by HockeyAnalysis on Jan 13, 2012 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
Corsi...
I don’t want to start another corsi debate but it is good to see more people talking about the limitations of Corsi. Most of what Tom Awad has written on the subject is far more statistically rigorous than what I have written and we have taken slightly different methodology but it is good to see that all of his conclusions are consistent with mine.
He concludes that about half of a teams talent to outscore their opposition is driven by percentages, not corsi. On a player level I think percentages may in fact be more important but what we need to take from this is a good corsi team/player may not in fact be good team/player (and vice versa). This is why I don’t like (or trust) corsi based player evaluations.
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That Gare Joyce article is money but carve out a good chunk of your day to read it.
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by clrkaitken on Jan 13, 2012 9:26 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
I once found myself next to Gare Joyce at a dinner and, without knowing who he was, drew him into a debate over the value of psychological testing of prospects without NHL teams. Then I got home and found out that he’d literally written a book on the subject. (And a good one, too.)
Was he arrogant or fun to debate with?
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Fun. Good guy, and polite enough not to tell me I didn’t know what the hell I was talking about. (That said, he does seem to have been wrong about Kessel in the long run.)
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That is really cool.
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and here I was thinking Psych was a black and white science!
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 13, 2012 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
Psych is a tv show on the USA channel. Quite funny.
by WizardofNaz on Jan 13, 2012 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
I too enjoy, but will never admit that to my wife.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 13, 2012 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
Why? does she “force” you to watch it or something and you don’t want to lose you “Yah but I watched Psych with you” bargaining chip?
by WizardofNaz on Jan 13, 2012 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
/touchesnose
(in the non-nose-picking kind of way)
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 13, 2012 12:18 PM EST up reply actions
I think one of the best and most memorable scenes (there are a few) in that show is when Shawn and Gus appear in the paper and Gus is furious because they got his name wrong; “Who the heck is Gurton Buster?”
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 13, 2012 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
My favourite is when Gus is working with Lassy and he gets confused when Lassy introduces him by his real name because Shawn never does
by WizardofNaz on Jan 13, 2012 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
and here I was thinking Psych was a black and white science!
Nah, it’s a field that’s become much less racist over time.
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by Draglikepull on Jan 13, 2012 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
I think this trade is lose-lose until you realize that Montreal gets $2.67M in capspace from this. But I’m not too worried about it because they’ll spend it on something stupid as evidenced by the fact Montreal will have $39M committed through the 2013-14 season to Gomez, Plekanec, Gionta, Cole, Bourque, Kostitsyn, Markov, Kaberle, and Gorges. Montreal is in for years and years of hurt. Mike Milbury sank the Islanders by jettisoning talent; Pierre Gauthier has sunk the Canadiens by assembling terribly overpaid players.
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Gomez – 7.3M until 2014
Cole – 4.5M until 2015
Bourque – 3.33M until 2016
Markov – 5.75M until 2014
Kaberle – 4.25M until 2014
Gorges – 3.9M until 2018 (and it hasn`t even started yet)
So much money tied in middling, old (and in Markov`s case, injury-prone) players for so long.
Repeat after me Leaf fans:
I, (state your name), pledge that if hot goaltending carries our flawed Maple Leaf team deep into the playoffs this year, I will not overreact and suddenly believe the Leafs are a perennial contender.
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i can not in good faith sign that.
If the Leafs go to the conference final I do not know what will happen.
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except my W and O keys will be worn out from all the WOOOOOOOOOOOOOO ing that will go on.
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by elseldo on Jan 13, 2012 9:32 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You`re stating that you understand that one miracle run does not a contender make and in the aftermath you`ll react accordingly.
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In that 2013-14 season, the youngest person listed would be Josh Gorges…at the tender age of 30. Half of them will be over 35!
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by SkinnyFish on Jan 13, 2012 9:49 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
schadenrec’d
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by elseldo on Jan 13, 2012 9:50 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
$40M on a bunch of geriatrics! How they expect to be anything but the worst team in hockey is beyond me.
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They aspire to be the second worst team in hockey.
As long as 70 minutes of ice time is being doled out to AHLers and Matt Ellis, the Sabres are basically doomed
no one will ever beat the islanders.
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no one will ever beat the islandersflames.
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by Ben Schnell on Jan 13, 2012 10:08 AM EST up reply actions
Perfect.
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by potvin vs hextall on Jan 13, 2012 10:57 AM EST up reply actions
I will not overreact and suddenly believe the Leafs are a perennial contender.
Yeah, that’s the problem – both teams (Calgary and Montreal) had a deep run in the playoffs once and (until 2 years ago for Calgary) were making the playoffs perennially.
Both the management and fans are stuck in the mentality that if they made the conference finals or finals once, they just need that mythical one or two extra pieces to win it all.
At least to Ottawa’s credit, they’ve gotten out of this mentality.
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by Peter de Chatham on Jan 13, 2012 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
Bryan Murray says he’s looking to add at the deadline this season.
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by Draglikepull on Jan 13, 2012 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
Senators Fenwick Close this season: 50.49
Maple Leafs Fenwick Close this season: 47.79
They have been a better team than us, why is it ridiculous for them to add players?
because they’re getting ridiculously unsustainable percentages from young players?
by Goosemonster on Jan 13, 2012 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
It will set their rebuild back, and they still need to keep the rebuild going. Their Fenwick numbers seem to indicate that Maclean has done a fantastic job with the group he’s got, but that group is a long, long way away from being a contender.
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by Draglikepull on Jan 13, 2012 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly as I said below, they’re “good” but they’ll go from “good” to “Calgary” pretty soon.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 13, 2012 2:10 PM EST up reply actions
To be fair
I thought the Habs were a really good team about 3 or 4 years ago. I also thought the Flames of two years ago were pretty damn solid (I thought JayBo could have been their piece to put them over the top).
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even 3 or 4 years ago the Habs weren’t that good of a team. practically everyone on their roster was having career seasons, performing way above expectations. sure they had success, but they didn’t appear to be a team with the pieces in place to develop into a true contender.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 13, 2012 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
Weren’t they like second in the conference?
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Doesn’t mean they were good. Look at Ottawa this year
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In 07/08 they won the conference and they had a pretty solid team with a good mix of young and old. I didn’t like it but I thought they were the real deal.
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Thank god they weren’t
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They had (what looked like) a goo mix of vets and young guys
Plekanecs at 25 was number 2 in points.
Higgins at 24 had 27 goals
Kostitsyn at 22 had 26 goals
Latendresse and S Kostitsyn (both at 20) had 16 and 9 goals
To balance out up front they had Kovalev (in what I believe was his best year in Montreal) and Koivu as vets.
On the back end they had Markov, Streit, and Komi having the year that got him his contract (Komi was also reasonably young).
In net they traded Huet and were left with their young tandem in Price and (the relatively unknown) Halak.
They looked (at the time) to be (to me at least) the real deal. I am quite happy they weren’t.
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Hehehe
Of those younng guys (5 forwards, 1 D, and 2 goalies), they have 2 forwards and 1 goalie left.
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Kovalev had his best season since ’00 that year
Plekanec was 1 point off his career best and scored 29 goals (career high)
Streit: career high in points
Koistenen and Higgens: both career high in goals
Carey Price: .920
Halak: .934
Huet: .916
Everything came together for them that season. I’ll admit I had my fears but I knew in reality they couldn’t continue to be that good for much longer (the following season they were 8th, beating us in by 1 point was it?)
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 13, 2012 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
For sure
But at the time we couldn’t know that Pleks, Kostitsyn and Higgins weren’t all on their way up. It is only in hindsight we know that.
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i was pretty convinced they weren’t. in the same way that I wouldn’t be surprised if last season turns out to be Kulemin’s best.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 13, 2012 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
I guess I bought into their team. Very happy I was wrong.
As a huge Kule supporter I don’t expect him to ever reach those heights again. But I do hope he has a better career than (for example) Higgins. I am hopeful he can be a 25/50 guy. Time will tell.
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That season was literally the only time they finished higher than 7th in the conference since 1993. They have been the definition of mediocre.
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Really? I knew they were crappy, but this, this is news to me.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 13, 2012 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
Wow. Here are the seasons
2011-6th
2010-8th
2009-8th
2008-1st (year we discussed)
2007-10th (out of the playoffs and 1 less point than us)
2006-7th
2004-7th
2003-10th
2002-8th
2001-11th
2000-10th
1999-11th
1998-7th
1997-8th
1996-6th
1995-11th
1994-5th
1993-5th (year they won the cup.
They were in 5th once (the year right after the cup) and 6th twice. Besides that Daoust is right. Weaksauce.
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Wow
That is pretty pathetic
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Every now and then, I would hear people say that the Leafs should be more like the Habs… and I’d raise my eyebrow, and say, “Really?” The 21st century Habs are exactly the franchise the Leafs have been accused of being, even during the Quinn Years — a team and fanbase content with mediocrity. It’s really amazing, too, given the Habs’ rich history. You’d think they’d have higher standards.
Case in point: one of the Habs fans on my rec league team said to me, “I don’t expect them to win the Cup every year, but you know, just make the playoffs and maybe win a round, and I’m happy.” If a Leafs fan expressed the same sentiment, he’d be pointed to as the reason why the Leafs have never won anything ever.
I think Habs fans have over-rated their team in recent years too. I had a debate the other night with one of the EOTP writers who thinks the team was a legit contender if they had been able to stay healthy.
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by Draglikepull on Jan 13, 2012 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
I think what has screwed the habs over the most in the past few years was that late playoffs run – it made the team look a LOT better than it was.
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Yup. And they were basically a mediocre team that got bailed out by unbelievable goaltending.
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by Draglikepull on Jan 13, 2012 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
yup. their fall from grace has been a long time coming. I’m surprised that Montreal fans have been drinking the Kool-aid for so long.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 13, 2012 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
if only they’d stop going to the games when the team is bad…
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by elseldo on Jan 13, 2012 1:23 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Doesn’t mean they were good. Look at Ottawa this year
People are going to have to start backing this up. If Ottawa is bad, we are terrible.
It’s not so much that they’re bad, it’s just that the guys carrying the load, aside from Karlsson, aren’t long term solutions to a team that needs them.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 13, 2012 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
Spezz, Michalek, Alfredsson, and Anderson dragging the team into the playoffs will handcuff any attempt at a re-build.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 13, 2012 2:09 PM EST up reply actions
they’ve already lost a chance at a good draft pick and they really lack depth. If they lost a few key guys to injuries, they’d be pretty boned.
by Goosemonster on Jan 13, 2012 2:10 PM EST up reply actions
Who wouldn’t be boned if they lost a few key players to injuries?
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I would argue we lost some key guys to injuries. Not THE MOST key, that’s true. Poor choice of words. Until this year, I would have said Pittsburgh for one.
by Goosemonster on Jan 13, 2012 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
They do actually have the cap space to address their needs on depth through free agency if they decide to go that route, but I don’t think they have much of a core in place besides Spezza. The rest of their guys need time to develop.
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by Draglikepull on Jan 13, 2012 2:16 PM EST up reply actions
Spezza is also 28 now, he will be in decline very soon.
by Goosemonster on Jan 13, 2012 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
Spezza and MIchalek aren’t that old are they? Also they actually have a decent prospect pool.
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They do indeed, but their prospect pool is relatively new IIRC and guys like Zibenjad are not going to be NHL ready next year, at least not able to contribute at a high level.
by Goosemonster on Jan 13, 2012 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
I can’t think of anyone beyond Greening or Cowan, both of whom are playing with the SENS, oh yeah, Zibenjad.
Maybe Turris turns into the real deal, but Spezza and Michalek are both almost 30.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 13, 2012 2:16 PM EST up reply actions
Lehner is a very good prospect. Zibenijad as you mentioned and Silferberg.
Prince, Puempel, and Noessen are all doing pretty well in the O.
Plus they have Wiercoch who looks solid.
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I don’t know. Karlsson’s putting up good numbers, Foligno’s having a solid year too. I’m really unsure if this is ‘unsustainable’ or ‘surprising development that may actually last’.
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To be honest, I think the same thing, but it’s the icky Senators, so, they suck.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 13, 2012 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
That being said, they went on a few 5 or 6 game wins streaks did they not?
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 13, 2012 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
They did. Still though… if you have young guys like Karlsson and Foligno that turn out to be solid, it’s ok to have guys like Spezz and Michalek as well… 30’s still a reasonable age for a forward, they may be past their prime but they can still be very productive for a few years.
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I think Karlsson is a good young player, but he’s currently on pace for the most points by a defenceman in a decade other than Nick Lidstrom with the Wings in 2005/06. Karlsson is good, but he’s not “Lidstrom on a stacked Wings team” good. He’s due to fall a bit.
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by Draglikepull on Jan 13, 2012 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
Oh without a doubt Karlsson is very good. I still think they are missing pieces. Next year they have to replace Alfredsson, and Spezza is getting up there in age.
by Goosemonster on Jan 13, 2012 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
Spezza isn’t that old. He is 6 months older than Grabovski.
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There’s a reason why we might want to deal Grabbo at the deadline, he could easily decline after this season.
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Murray probably realizes he needs to take this team apart pretty soon. But half the season is over and they’re fifth in the conference. Might as well let it play out this year and see what happens because if he tears the team apart at the deadline A: it sends a horrible message to fans in a market that doesn’t sell out when the team is bad B: there’s not enough runway left for the team to fail enough to catch the Blue Jackets and Ducks. One year is not going to make a whole lot of difference. Yes, they’re not going to draft Yakupov, but he’s not Sidney Crosby and there will be other drafts.
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by T is for Truculence on Jan 13, 2012 4:07 PM EST up reply actions
Why would he need to tear them apart?
Aside from a few vets, the team is really young. Spezza is prime aged right now and probably has two or three good years left, maybe more.
I’m not saying they are going to be contenders, but there is no reason to beleive that with all that youth they aren’t going to be decent for a while
Even with that 2.67 million I think it was a loss. They could have gotten a much better package for Cammi.
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Right. They did the right thing, but did it the wrong way
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Quick question about Bourques suspension
Did he get credit for a game last night? because technically he was a member of the Flames when the habs played and a member of the Habs when the Flames played…
I don’t believe so because he was traded before puck drop in Anaheim, but after puck drop in MTL.
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He was listed on the official roster for Calgary last night. It’ll probably be one of those “technically it shouldn’t count, but the league won’t bother” situations.
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by Bower Power on Jan 13, 2012 10:03 AM EST up reply actions
Exactly he wasn’t eligible for either game even if he wasn’t suspended. However I wonder if the league will just give him credit anyways. It would be hilarious if they didn’t because all they had to do was postpone the paperwork 30 minutes and it would’ve been okay.
by WizardofNaz on Jan 13, 2012 10:05 AM EST up reply actions
I mean it’s not like one team was playing last night and the other wasn’t. Both his old team and new team were playing last night. If the trade happened later that night he’d have missed a game for Calgary. If it happened earlier he’d have missed a game for Montreal.
Regardless of what uniform he wasn’t playing last night and I think the PA would (rightly) file a greivance if they effectively added a game to his suspension because of this.
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Damn. going to the hitmen game tonight (free tix in the swanky section) or I’d be there.
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by fair_n_hite_451 on Jan 13, 2012 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
Are they claiming Rene Bourque will help them beat Boston?
As long as 70 minutes of ice time is being doled out to AHLers and Matt Ellis, the Sabres are basically doomed
he did help them beat boston 0-9 the other night.
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by elseldo on Jan 13, 2012 10:38 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Sorry only Detroit wins by losing. Obviously you weren’t paying attention last Saturday.
by stevesmith19 on Jan 13, 2012 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
SUCH TECHNIQUE. They have such TECHNIQUE. And there are only rarely faceoffs in their zone. I know, I heard it from the HNIC broadcast crew.
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by jrwendelman on Jan 13, 2012 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, we only heard it what, A BILLION FUCKING TIMES!?!?!?!
by Tickle Me Aulie on Jan 13, 2012 1:49 PM EST up reply actions
I was at that game so I didn’t get to hear Healy and what’s his name spew their mouth garbage. What were they saying?
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by theninjagreg on Jan 13, 2012 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
No Healy between the benches that game. It was glorious.
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by Isosceles Kramer on Jan 13, 2012 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
They had HUGE clues for the red wings all night. So basically, they came very close to comparing the red wings to pk subban.
by Tickle Me Aulie on Jan 13, 2012 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
I’m sorry, I don’t speak Spanish
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 13, 2012 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
Rene Bourque: Je ne parle pas francais
(I don’t know how to do the c accent).
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Is that what the accent is on the c in francais?
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Yeah. Looks like this: ç
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yup. It softens c’s so they are pronounced more like an s. Otherwise français (frahn-say) would be francais (frahn-chay)
by Goosemonster on Jan 13, 2012 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
Glad to hear it. The funny thing is I completely understand the fans liking/wanting their team to learn to speak french (or to speak it already). I just think many took it to far.
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No surprise the Montreal columnist says it’s a good deal
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by T is for Truculence on Jan 13, 2012 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
Gunnarsson’s trick to breaking the sophomore slump? Talk it out
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Seems like the folks over at Matchsticks and Gasoline think Cammalleri = playoffs!?!
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Well he is better than Rene Bourque so that’s a start.
As long as 70 minutes of ice time is being doled out to AHLers and Matt Ellis, the Sabres are basically doomed
I like how they dont realize that they REALLY need a rebuild and have just fucked that even more
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 13, 2012 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
Technically he’s got a shorter contract and is only 1 year older and he’s better, but more expensive.
As long as 70 minutes of ice time is being doled out to AHLers and Matt Ellis, the Sabres are basically doomed
they also traded away a 2nd round pick and a prospect who is tied for 8th in WHL scoring
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 13, 2012 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
Hes an overager isn’t he?
As long as 70 minutes of ice time is being doled out to AHLers and Matt Ellis, the Sabres are basically doomed
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 13, 2012 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
Well, he doesn't sound too optimistic (from habs eotp)

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hahahaha
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 13, 2012 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
Full interview here – nice guy.
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by Bower Power on Jan 13, 2012 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
January 7th 92 birthday. He’s 20 as of now, and this is his fourth year.
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by Bower Power on Jan 13, 2012 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
he’s still a decent and useful prospect, trading them away for 30 year olds isnt good for a rebuild
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 13, 2012 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
Sure. It’s still a dumb move for Calgary. I’m just also arguing that Montreal didn’t add the talent that I would expect they could’ve.
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by Bower Power on Jan 13, 2012 10:57 AM EST up reply actions
nope, it was bad for both teams, but at least the Habs can argue a bit of a now and later to this deal
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 13, 2012 10:57 AM EST up reply actions
Anytime you have a guy capable of scoring 30 goals with only 9 on the season who has just called out his team for sucking you gotta take advantage of peak value.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 13, 2012 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, i just don’t think he’s worth too much more than that fifth rounder and the year-delayed second rounder is just to make it look more like a proper hfboards trade.
As long as 70 minutes of ice time is being doled out to AHLers and Matt Ellis, the Sabres are basically doomed
also Ramo who doesnt want to leave the KHL
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 13, 2012 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
They’re the 2007-08 Leafs with a 2006-07 Leaf fan mentality!
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by FiftyMissionCap on Jan 13, 2012 3:03 PM EST up reply actions
In case you missed it last night
PPP figures out how Eklund gets his info.
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Eklund is brilliant.
i think im going to subscribe to him now.
by Ben Schnell on Jan 13, 2012 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
I am very angry right now
The Maple Leafs presale for second half tickets is today… Obviously I tried to get some Feb 11 tickets for the Mats Sundin ceremony, but thanks to my school’s fucking awful Wi-Fi, I had no Internet between 9:59 AM and 10:05 AM. After that, all of the tickets were gone. Fuck my school, fuck Ticketmaster, fuck everything.
If you guys wanna get some Leafs tickets at face value, you’d better buy now – the presale is on today until 6:00 PM for all games in the second half of the home season… The codeword you have to enter is “LEAFS”, without quotes.
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Yeah I had a fucking interview this morning so I missed out too. Shit luck.
by Tickle Me Aulie on Jan 13, 2012 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
Ah, you young whippersnappers and your wifi.
Back in the day, the Leafs sold out every seat for Maple Leafs Gardens for the upcoming season in one morning in early September. You had to line up at a local outlet and wait your turn to deal with the teenager who got sucked into the Saturday morning shift at TicketMaster that week. There was no internet.
Their network was terrible and individual locations lost access all the time. Heaven help you if you wanted some sort of concert ticket on the same day as the Leafs seat sale. “No really, I’m just here for concert tickets, not buying any Leafs games”
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by fair_n_hite_451 on Jan 13, 2012 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
5?!?! Try 15! And with the war on at the time you weren’t able to get boots. You had to wear your grandma’s undergarments on your feet to keep them warm. Today you’d say “its blizzarding out”, back then you’d say “its brassiering out.”
by Tickle Me Aulie on Jan 13, 2012 2:48 PM EST up reply actions
Sounds fun. I’d line up for Leafs tickets, more reliable than my school’s Internet anyways >:(
The general sale starts tomorrow at 10, that’ll be my last chance to get tickets to the Mats game. I really hope I can, I’ve been to a few games this year but that game is one that I really don’t want to miss
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The best part of this might be that only two days ago Burke reiterated his stance that “our goal is not to just make the playoffs and get kicked out in the first round” and that “I could have made trades that would have gotten us into the playoffs last season, but I didn’t”. And then two GMs who should have that mentality go and do this. THEY KNOW BETTER.
It’s like that scene in Arrested Development when Tobias and Lindsay discuss a trail separation. “In which the couple remains emotionally connected but is free to pursue other physical relationships.”
“Does it work?”
“Of course not, but these couples somewho delude themselves into thinking it might work for them. But you know, it might work for us”
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 13, 2012 10:55 AM EST reply actions
All and all, a great trade.
for the other 28 teams!!! wooooooo!
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by not norm ullman on Jan 13, 2012 11:09 AM EST reply actions
Gotta switch back to the tag I started the year with, something about the R.I.P. the playoff hopes of the 2011-12 Montreal Canadiens.
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by not norm ullman on Jan 13, 2012 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
Lapierre and Subban are the definition of rats.
I wish someone would knock out Lapierre’s fuckn teeth
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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Lapierre – Clean hit by Polak, Lapierre jumps him for a fight and turtles. Then smiles as like a dick.
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Those are the guys Burke is talking about, but where he was wrong is Lapierre would never back up what he does to anyone who is really tough.
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Right, but let’s say Colton Orr’s in the game; Lapierre isn’t going to fight him, or anyone else for that matter so how do you fill his shit in without a cheapshot?
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I agree completely.
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If you’re Burke? By getting on the NHL to start calling unsportsmanlikes for those ratty plays? I dunno.
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I would fully support more unsportsmanlikes to deal with this; I thought Burke was making a good point, albeit in the wrong way with teh wrong solution (e.g. we need more fighters again) – but these rats do need to be taken care of by refs on the ice.
by Goosemonster on Jan 13, 2012 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
I also think diving should be called more.
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Personally, I think diving should be an automatic suspension. I find that it’s hard for officials to call diving, because the play happens so quickly that it’s hard to tell (most of the time) whether or not the play was a dive or the player actually was taken down. However if it’s reviewed, it’s much easier to tell whether or not the player dove (hence everyone yelling at their TV’s that the penalty against their team was a missed diving call). If Shanny even did as little as institute an automatic one game suspension to a dive, I think there’d be a lot less diving in the game.
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If its a really blatant dive, I’d say Unsportsmanlike and a game misconduct would get it out of the game real quick.
by Goosemonster on Jan 13, 2012 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, but the problem is that it’s hard for officials to call it on the fly, but it’s easy to pick up after the fact using replay.
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Yep, Suspensions for diving would get it out of the game real quick.
by Chi-town leafs on Jan 13, 2012 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
Fair enough, though I wouldn’t count out the Refs if you give them time to prepare (videos to help identify divers like they did for headshots)
by Goosemonster on Jan 13, 2012 1:55 PM EST up reply actions
This is what the answer should be… more frequent use of unsportsmanlike penalties. Also a rule allowing Shanahan to suspend a player for being a dick.
Just imagine those videos
As you can see hear, Subban was clearly a dick, therefore the league has assessed him a 5 game suspension
by Chi-town leafs on Jan 13, 2012 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t get why Lapierre is smiling (other than that he’s a dick)… he just got his ass beat in a fight in which he didn’t throw a punch… I’d be kind of embarrassed.
by Chi-town leafs on Jan 13, 2012 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
There should be a 2 min penalty for turtling. “5 for fighting, 2 for turtling, and 5 for fighting 2 for instigating”
by Chi-town leafs on Jan 13, 2012 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
Wow, he lights into him pretty good… and I agree with him
by Chi-town leafs on Jan 13, 2012 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
I laughed my ass off watching Subban get dragged around by the collar as he turtles like a bitch. Turtle Turtle
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Jan 13, 2012 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
"But if you’re going to play that style of hockey, if want any respect at all around the league, you have to drop the gloves once in a while.’
Ference on Marchand.
LOved that!
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Extra funny because both Marchand drops the gloves less often than Subban.
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by Back In Black on Jan 13, 2012 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
Lappiere even has that rat-like face.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 13, 2012 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
What a sentence by Dave Feshuk
Just know that hockey tickets, where Phaneuf plays, are family heirlooms, and that hockey tickets, where you play, are those free things stapled to the pizza box.
Can I get that on a T-Shirt.?
Linky.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 13, 2012 11:34 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
Wow, he just layed a serious smackdown.
by Goosemonster on Jan 13, 2012 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
Wow. What an article.
I've got 99 problems and they're all hyperdimensional self-replicating machine elves.
Phenominal read
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I’m disappointed that commenting is turned off. I’m sure he’s having fun going through his inbox right now.
by potvin vs hextall on Jan 13, 2012 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
He’s kissing ass and making up for that call to Reimer’s mom earlier this season.
"They build a statue, they knock it down and piss on it, and now they will be out there building it again."
by ThickSkinnedAlive on Jan 13, 2012 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
Redemption complete.
At least it's not Lebda.
by Nifty Mittens on Jan 13, 2012 2:48 PM EST up reply actions
Is the last line a jab at Glen Healy? I’m going to pretend it is.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 13, 2012 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
Feschuk trolled the shit out of the haters…not bad, not bad
You can’t get what Phaneuf gets because most of you play in places where panhandlers who work busy corners are better known around town than you. You can’t be overrated, most of you, because you’re not rated. You can’t be polarizing figures because you’re barely public figures.
Couldn’t have said it better myself.
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by MapleLeafMole on Jan 13, 2012 11:38 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Plea beat you
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should’ve read through the comments first
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by MapleLeafMole on Jan 13, 2012 12:18 PM EST up reply actions
Quick scheduling note for the Top 25 Under 25 Series.
- will be up shortly. Blame birky for there not being an explanation of a vote.
Come back tomorrow for #17.
They’re going to be a daily occurrence from here until we’re done so that a) I get them done before January b) I get them done before my work gets insanely busy and c) so I don’t get Caputi’d again.
Next week I’ll post a FanPost for you all to give your votes, and then at the start of Feb I’ll publish the PPP Community Consensus Rankings.
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Crap.
That’s #18 that’s going up shortly.
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by clrkaitken on Jan 13, 2012 11:44 AM EST reply actions 4 recs
and reply fail.
and i think you meant get them up before february,
it is january.
by Ben Schnell on Jan 13, 2012 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
Just rec the reply fail like we did to leafer yesterday and move on.
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to be fair, it is a friday. All is forgiven.
by Goosemonster on Jan 13, 2012 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
>:(
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by leafer1984 on Jan 13, 2012 11:53 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Pretty sure it was Wednesday….
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I thought mine was Wednesday….
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"He drives that new car around town and feels really good about it." - Ron Wilson
"Vancouver, BC: A massive inferiority complex with a city." - TheOtherAndrew
"HOPE is more than a postponed disappointment" - Epica
Pretty cool
Patrick Holland does an AMA (interview) on reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/hockey/comments/of0bh/iama_patrick_holland_who_was_just_traded_to_the/
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Was it his rights traded or is he under contract?
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just his rights
As a Toronto sports fan I proudly follow the lessons of lachrymology.
"He drives that new car around town and feels really good about it." - Ron Wilson
"Vancouver, BC: A massive inferiority complex with a city." - TheOtherAndrew
"HOPE is more than a postponed disappointment" - Epica
If the kid is smart he doesn’t sign and becomes a free agent
"They build a statue, they knock it down and piss on it, and now they will be out there building it again."
by ThickSkinnedAlive on Jan 13, 2012 2:09 PM EST up reply actions
Reenter the draft, no?
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He is playing his over-age yr and thought he might be in a Bill Sweatt situation. But you might be correct.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Jan 13, 2012 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
Bill Sweatt is a weird loophole for NCAA players.
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Too many rules!
"They build a statue, they knock it down and piss on it, and now they will be out there building it again."
by ThickSkinnedAlive on Jan 13, 2012 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
Oh Man
I don’t know if this is forbidden now, but I randomly came across this again on youtube. I laughed and cried at the same time; he actually kept a straight face through the whole interview.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 13, 2012 12:45 PM EST reply actions 5 recs
Fucking Gold
He’s throwing his hat into the ring.
SHIT! FUCK
boot hats wearing flipflops.
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"He drives that new car around town and feels really good about it." - Ron Wilson
"Vancouver, BC: A massive inferiority complex with a city." - TheOtherAndrew
"HOPE is more than a postponed disappointment" - Epica
Yes! I was looking for this clip. Thanks.
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by theninjagreg on Jan 13, 2012 1:04 PM EST up reply actions
Man Belak was awesome. I can’t tell if sportsnet thought he was serious or iff they were just playing along
by pho king awesome on Jan 13, 2012 4:49 PM EST up reply actions
Tortorella top ten
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The best part of number 4 is the Happy Birthday sign behind him while he rips on Hitchcock.
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Sounds like the New Jersey Devils are basically bankrupt and may even be taken over by the NHL:
http://msn.foxsports.com/nhl/story/new-jersey-devils-looking-for-financial-miracle-011312
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remember when they signed Kovulchuk to a $100 M contract? Good times!
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 13, 2012 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
Remember when the contract was rejected and they submitted an almost identical version and got it approved? Remember how that’s going to cost them a 1st round pick over the next two years?
by Goosemonster on Jan 13, 2012 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
Thought it was 5?
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 13, 2012 1:59 PM EST up reply actions
I thought it was 4. Everyone pick a number!
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by Draglikepull on Jan 13, 2012 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
I thought it was by 2014, but it could be 2015. In which case 3 years.
by Goosemonster on Jan 13, 2012 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
This is Year 2 of the 4 years they have to choose from.
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my guess they choose this year should be a mid-pick
by pho king awesome on Jan 13, 2012 4:50 PM EST up reply actions
so the league inherits a team saddled with a $100M contract, which they approved, and they have to now attempt to turn around and sell this said team, despite the fact that it is without young, inexpensive assets?
/slowclap
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 13, 2012 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
If the devils go into bankruptcy, that would mean 2 league owned teams… coincidentally, the 4 conference idea would require either 2 teams to fold, or 2 expansion teams to really work…
by Chi-town leafs on Jan 13, 2012 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
the prudential centre could be Springsteen’s new home base then.
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If the Devils do fold
Who takes on Kovalchuk’s contract?
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U.S. economy couldn’t afford the loss of money Kovalchuk will spend. Devils are owned by a Lehman Brothers exec. Clearly the team is Too Big To Fail and the feds will bail them out.
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by Draglikepull on Jan 13, 2012 2:08 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
NHL doesn’t let teams fold. If it wouldn’t let such a woefully run organization like the Coyotes fail, it’s not going to let a former stanley cup winning team that has exlusively had one of the greatest goalies to ever play the game fail.
by Goosemonster on Jan 13, 2012 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
I know
But, I’m actually curious. If there is a draft, would anyone take Kovalchuk and his ridiculous contract?
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Habs just cleared a few million from their payroll.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Jan 13, 2012 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
Well then
Don’t be surprised if Burke meets with Schenn today. If deal doesn’t go down soon, I expect Burke will tell Luke its not happening.
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I’ll say that undoubtedly Burke has offers on the table for Schenn, and offers on the tables of other GMs for players with Schenn going the other way. He’s probably reviewing them all now and deciding if one of those makes sense, or if another GM agrees with his proposal.
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It just sounds very different from what Dreger was saying last night.
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Yesterday McKenzie and Dreger both said Schenn had not been offered to any teams and that, while Burke would consider moving him if the right deal came along, no deals were currently in the works. This makes it sound like someone’s got on offer on the table and the other side is deciding.
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by Draglikepull on Jan 13, 2012 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
Dreger was on TSN this morning and repeated what he said yesterday. His last tweet hints at some sort of change.
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Either Dreger chose poor context to put that in, or something is up.
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Sounds good. I’ll wear a jersey with Schenn’s new team and number.
In all honesty, I’m not dancing around. I really just want someone to tell us what the hell is really going on. Sounds like the TSN guys are out of the loop.
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by Isosceles Kramer on Jan 13, 2012 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
Nice. That day I got a Clark shirsey too … a woman I work with also works at the ACC, so I got a sweet ass deal
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by Isosceles Kramer on Jan 13, 2012 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
His tweet strongly suggests to me that there is a specific deal on the table that someone is mulling over, and that if that GM decides to reject it, Burke will keep Schenn.
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by Draglikepull on Jan 13, 2012 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
Schenn for JVR.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 13, 2012 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
Schenn for JVR, THEN trade MacA, Grabbo a 1st and a prospect to Anaheim for Getzlaf!
/hfboard’d
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THEN trade Lupul, Gunnar, and a 5th for Rick Nash and a 2nd
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COme on man be realistic, we would have to give up at least a 3rd, not a 5th
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by Goosemonster on Jan 13, 2012 2:25 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
We’d need a defenseman so then trade Joey Crabb for Mike Weaver.
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by HockeyAnalysis on Jan 13, 2012 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
Woah man slow down, it’s got to be Joey crabb and a 6th.
by Goosemonster on Jan 13, 2012 2:26 PM EST up reply actions
Nah, we are dealing with Dave Tallon. If anything he will throw in a 5th and take Jeff Finger too.
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by HockeyAnalysis on Jan 13, 2012 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
I would be very okay with Schenn for JVR straight up. Top line of JVR-Colborne/Connolly-Kessel
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 13, 2012 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
I really don’t get the feeling Colborne can be a top line centre. I really think he hasnt proven that at all.
by Goosemonster on Jan 13, 2012 2:26 PM EST up reply actions
But Luke Schenn has totally shown he can be a premier shutdown defenceman over the last 4 seasons.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 13, 2012 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
I never said he was going to be a premier shut down defenseman, so no, not really.
by Goosemonster on Jan 13, 2012 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
He’s just logicing you. You’ve been saying how you won’t trade Schenn because he’s young and could become a #2. If he doesn’t become that #2 then really, why wouldn’t you trade him?
Colborne has just as adequately shown that he’s a #1C as Schenn has shown he’s a #2D, so if you don’t see Colborne as that then its hard to argue Schenn as that, and if you don’t argue Schenn as that then you should probably trade him for JVR.
“Just as adequately” is debatable. I wouldn’t hang your “logicing” on it :)
by potvin vs hextall on Jan 13, 2012 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
I agree. I peg Colborne as a #2 if his offense develops nicely or as a 2-way #3 center with size. Both very valuable roles, but I don’t see him as a first line guy. Certainly not a first line playmaker for Kessel/JVR.
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by HockeyAnalysis on Jan 13, 2012 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
Honest question:
You don’t see Colborne as a first liner, but JVR is automatic at #1 LW?
by potvin vs hextall on Jan 13, 2012 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
JVR scored 21 goals last year without getting big PP minutes (just 3 PPG). Give him some quality PP time and I don’t see why he can’t easily be a 25+ goal guy. That puts him as a second tier first line winger or good second line guy with good size and so far seems to be responsible defensively. That is how I see JVR.
Colborne, don’t quite know what he can be. Could be a first line but I have my doubts. I see him as more second line upside. Just don’t know if he can be a 70+ point guy.
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by HockeyAnalysis on Jan 13, 2012 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
Fair enough
To me these JVR projections seem like conjecture.
Since Schenn is (has been, historically) such a big trade chip, I guess I’m just in the camp that would rather see him traded (if at all) for more of a guarantee (i.e. a unicorn) rather than an admittedly enticing “prospect”.
by potvin vs hextall on Jan 13, 2012 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
GMs have to be aware of his diminishing value. Any trade for a unicorn is going to be Schenn+ (Kadri, Colborne).
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 13, 2012 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed. And I’m one of those that would much rather see that kind of trade. Pick up premier talent and fill in the blanks afterwards.
Different philosophies, I guess.
by potvin vs hextall on Jan 13, 2012 2:47 PM EST up reply actions
I think Burke thinks JVR is premier talent (or close to it). Not as in pure offensive talent, but all-round capability talent.
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by HockeyAnalysis on Jan 13, 2012 2:52 PM EST up reply actions
yes. His pursuit of JVR for more than a year would back that up.
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Other players Burke has pursued like this:
Kessel
Phaneuf
(Sort-of) Liles
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by Draglikepull on Jan 13, 2012 2:58 PM EST up reply actions
He pursued Phaneuf like this?
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he had said that he had been asking Sutter about Phaneuf for a while.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 13, 2012 3:00 PM EST up reply actions
Called Calgary back in November, was told to fuck off.
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Got a call in January that perked up his ears
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Didn’t Burke say he’d been trying to pry Phaneuf out of Calgary since the beginning of the season?
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by Draglikepull on Jan 13, 2012 3:00 PM EST up reply actions
I loved that NO ONE knew about Phaneuf. NO ONE
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I still have trouble comprehending that trade because of how blindsided I was by it.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 13, 2012 3:01 PM EST up reply actions
If you guys could have seen the look on my face that day.
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did it look like this?
http://www.theoffside.com/files/2009/09/drogba_dive.jpg
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Including other GMs, who said they would have offered Calgary better packages. Oh, Sutter . . .
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by Draglikepull on Jan 13, 2012 3:01 PM EST up reply actions
Easy to say that when it will never be reported what you were allegedly going to offer.
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Very true.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 13, 2012 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
For sure, they may just be blowing smoke, but the fact that Sutter apparently didn’t shop the offer seems like a pretty dumb move on his part.
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by Draglikepull on Jan 13, 2012 3:06 PM EST up reply actions
Like how so many other GM’s were pissed when Boston didn’t shop Thornton
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JVR had 21 goals last year. He is on pace for 22 this year. I think it is safe to say he is at minimum a 20+ goal guy with size which makes him at least a second line winger.
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by HockeyAnalysis on Jan 13, 2012 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
playing with a lingering hip injury that may require offseason surgery.
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I don’t find it hard to believe that JVR can be a second-line winger.
Personally, I’d rather package Schenn to get a bonafide star first-line winger. More of a sure thing, that’s all.
by potvin vs hextall on Jan 13, 2012 2:55 PM EST up reply actions
Right, and I’m sure Burke would love to do that. Maybe he thinks JVR is that player and can get him while his value is depressed.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 13, 2012 2:56 PM EST up reply actions
I bet Burke thinks JVR will be that stud 1st liner
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Exactly. He’s 22, why package Schenn with someone else who for one who is established when you could add JVR before he becomes what he could be. Also, Burke has faith in his coaching and development staff, plenty of guys have thrived since coming to Toronto under him.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 13, 2012 2:58 PM EST up reply actions
and he’s signed long-term. to a good number.
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And he undoubtedly knows a lot more about the situation than I do. I’m just worried, is all.
I guess I should’ve said “established” rather than “sure thing”.
by potvin vs hextall on Jan 13, 2012 2:59 PM EST up reply actions
The thing is would you rather get a guy who already is a star, but could slow down in the next year or three (think Perry), or a guy who could be a star and is still far from his prime?
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If you think JVR will be that player, I’d rather have him because he’s on the best deal in terms of cap hit
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I think that is the logic. I don’t know if I buy it and would be upset if he turns into the next Blake Wheeler and Schenn into the next Seabrooke. But I think I would take the gamble.
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In Burke we trust, Burke & co are master talent evaluators. Aside from Komisarek and Dupuis, he hasn’t really brought in any dogs.
But even better, the players he’s move FROM he Leafs except Beauch and Versteeg I would say have all significantly declined.
He dumped Kubina to sign Komi. Sigh…
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by not norm ullman on Jan 13, 2012 7:35 PM EST up reply actions
I’d kind of rather have the star. Depending on the star, of course.
by potvin vs hextall on Jan 13, 2012 3:05 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t think there is a right or wrong answer.
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Ya, I’d agree with that.
Just sharing my concerns and learning about the other side of the argument, is all.
by potvin vs hextall on Jan 13, 2012 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
I have always been a depth guy myself. Generally I’d rather have a couple of really good players than a star. There are very few star players that can make up for lack of depth and having depth reduces the injury risk (see Sidney Crosby and the Penguins).
So, with that in mind I think JVR will provide good value and is locked in at $4.25M for the next 6 years. Getzlaf will give you a another cheap season next year but then becomes a UFA might then cost $8M+. Staal already has an $8.25M cap hit. I’d really like Getzlaf on my team, but JVR will come cheaper and has good long-term value.
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by HockeyAnalysis on Jan 13, 2012 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
The Leafs’ problem is not depth at this point. We would be talking about Kessel/JVR, Kadri/Kulemin, MacArthur/Lombardi, and Brown/Boyce on the wings.
My concern is down the middle, as even if Colborne can be the answer for our #1C needs, unless we plan on riding Grabovski as a second line center through his early 30s, we’ll need someone else to come down that pipeline.
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I think Bozak could be a reasonable 2C if we could get a 1C who’s great defensively and give Bozak some sheltered minutes.
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by Draglikepull on Jan 13, 2012 3:22 PM EST up reply actions
I suppose it’d do, but if we’re dreaming and rosterbating, I’d like to find a better option. Force guys down from the top, and all that.
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All that is true but there are still options at center, especially if you are strong on the wing. Connolly, Grabovski, Colborne, Bozak could all be in the mix for the next 3-5 years. Even Kadri could make a move back to center. That is without considering other trade or free agent options.
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by HockeyAnalysis on Jan 13, 2012 3:26 PM EST up reply actions
I think we have a lot of depth right now. I like the idea of adding talent at the top and creating depth by pushing other players down. Obviously that’s incredibly difficult and expensive to achieve.
by potvin vs hextall on Jan 13, 2012 3:22 PM EST up reply actions
Please no
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by Isosceles Kramer on Jan 13, 2012 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, it makes me think there’s a change in it too… it doesn’t seem like Philly was mentioned today, maybe Schenn’s name being out there has caused some other GMs to make some offers that are worth thinking about.
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by BetterThanBester on Jan 13, 2012 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
I hope it’s not a trade for anything but a unicorn. JVR doesn’t really count as a unicorn in my book.
by Goosemonster on Jan 13, 2012 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
I also think he still has potential and to trade him now is quite foolish without ridiculous returns. Sell low? Me thinks no.
by Goosemonster on Jan 13, 2012 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
I’d do Schenn for JVR in a heart beat, though I’d prefer it for a center with size as opposed to a winger with size. I see JVR as a bigger version of Lupul (and maybe more upside) and so far I have been satisfied with Lupul as a Leaf. Schenn, well, not a fan of what he has done so far and not confident he can develop into a #2 or #3 defenseman (right now he is a #5/6 type IMO).
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by HockeyAnalysis on Jan 13, 2012 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t know what the make of JVR, but it hardly seems worth gambling on him given Schenn is still young. I know you’ve argued he hasn’t gotten better, but shut-down guys take time to develop.
by Goosemonster on Jan 13, 2012 2:16 PM EST up reply actions
Though I think I was able to show yesterday that Schenn has improved, though we can debate about how much he has improved compared to what he needs to
by Chi-town leafs on Jan 13, 2012 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
Last time I checked, JVR is still young too, and still developing.
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by HockeyAnalysis on Jan 13, 2012 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
Yup, it’s just that we have a need for a centres longer-term, rather than LWs.
by Goosemonster on Jan 13, 2012 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
I do agree there but if your top 3 lines are:
Kessel-Connolly-Lupul
JVR-Grabovski-Kulemin
Kadri-Bozak-Mac Arthur
With Colborne eventually replacing Bozak or Grabovski, you are looking pretty good up front IMO.
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by HockeyAnalysis on Jan 13, 2012 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
It still leaves us with a problem on defense. Not that losing Schenn makes us awful there or anything, but that’s where we’re really lackign right now – a shutdown guy.
by Goosemonster on Jan 13, 2012 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
RYAN SUTER YO
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 13, 2012 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
he IS from Wisconsin
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 13, 2012 2:35 PM EST up reply actions
it’s funny, in the same way that everyone knew Richards would end up with the Rangers this year, I feel like the Suter thing might be a done deal.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 13, 2012 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
YO RYAN COME JOIN TEAM AMERICA!!!
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 13, 2012 2:37 PM EST up reply actions
From Wisconsin, played with Burke’s Olympic team, Leafs are a young team that are dedicated to winning in the medium term, have cap space, and are heading for the Winter Classic next year. Excluding the obvious personal preference, I don’t understand what team might have more draw for Suter at this point. If he makes it to free agency.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 13, 2012 2:39 PM EST up reply actions
also grew up playing with Kessel I believe.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 13, 2012 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
Funny enough, he has played with Mike Brown and Matt Lashoff, as well as former Marlie Robbie Earl. Hasn’t been on a team with Kessel, but they did both grow up in Madison Wisconsin, so maybe at a pre-hockeydb age.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 13, 2012 2:53 PM EST up reply actions
also
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Who are the top three players that you’ve played with or against?
Phil Kessel (3:56 PM)
Ryan Suter would definitely be on that list. Facing Alexander Ovechkin in the WJC has to be there, too. All my teammates I play with now are great, too. It’s too hard to pick just one.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 13, 2012 2:54 PM EST up reply actions
This scares me. I know that there’s been a billion different arguments for and against this, and I know that JVR has upside and I’d love him on my team. I just don’t think it’s right to base Schenn off of the half of a season he’s had, when he’s had pretty solid seasons in the past. Jared mentioned it takes a while for shutdown d-men to develop, and I agree with that. I think that it’s too early to give up on Schenn after a poor half season, and that he still has plenty of upside and can develop into at least a top 4 shutdown defenceman. I know this very point has been said before, but I just have a really bad feeling about trading Schenn away… There’s just too much risk, and I feel like it’ll come back to haunt us in the future if we do.
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The scoring chance data from last season showed what he was capable of.
by stevesmith19 on Jan 13, 2012 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
i just love seeing homegrown talent stick witht he team for a long time. The payoff if he becomes awesome is much greater imo
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by Matt_Roberts on Jan 13, 2012 4:31 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t care if Kadri or Kessel is the better player. I am just happy they are Leafs.
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I’m very wary of trading Kadri, though it keeps coming up. He has an amazing array of skills, and we really don’t know what his upside is yet. He could be a first liner, or at least a solid second line winger. I just wouldn’t give up on him for a player older ~24/5. I love those nifty mittens.
by Goosemonster on Jan 13, 2012 4:38 PM EST up reply actions
I wasn’t suggesting that all. I was just trying to respond to Matt’s comment that homegrown talent has greater payoff. I don’t care if Kessel (not homegrown) or Kadri is more awesome.
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Oh no, not you, but it’s like his name is thrown into every trade proposal. I do think Burke, to an extent, cares about homegrown talent – it indicates you have a development system that is capable of bringing young players up through the ranks and that they can be properly oriented to make the NHL.
That said, Burke will do what makes this team better, and he’s a notorious trader. I don’t care who is more awesome either, but I do think it’s important to have a system that can develop talent, as opposed to trading that talent away before you even know what the upside is. That’s, I think, a good way to get burned on trades (Rask, for example, albeit an extreme one under CF)
by Goosemonster on Jan 13, 2012 4:48 PM EST up reply actions
It’d be pretty awesome to have the second outdoor rink to go watch the GLI in the couple days before the Winter Classic
GLI and alumni game at Comerica (owned by the Illitch’s who own the Wings) makes a lot of sense because they won’t sell out the Big House for those events.
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I usually think the alumni events are dumb, but I’d go see Mats, Killer, Wendel, Cujo, etc.
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Without a doubt.
Yzerman, Hull, Robitaille, Shanahan, Hasek?, Fedorov?, the Russian Five, Dino, Osgood, Chelios, etc… for the Wings.
Gilmour, Clark, Mats, Cujo, Potvin, Salming, Mogilny?, Sittler, Vaive, Lanny, McCauley.
That’d be freaking insane.
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I think the Columbus Blue Jackets Alumni Team could beat the current Columbus Blue Jackets.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 13, 2012 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
Right, but would all those guys show up?
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 13, 2012 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe not guys like Sittler, Lanny, or Vaive because they’re older, but why not?
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Think the crown will let Ramage travel to the US?
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Mogilny retired somewhat recently due to injury problems, it’s possible he couldn’t play. But I think guys like Gilmour, Sundin, etc. would.
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by Draglikepull on Jan 13, 2012 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
Beside Mogilny was a really good player, but he was best on other teams. I wouldn’t include him at all. Bring on some of those 80s/90s guys, it’s not like its a hard competition, they just pass around and shoot softies at the net.
by Goosemonster on Jan 13, 2012 2:05 PM EST up reply actions
Sittler works for the team and Vaive, uhh, may not be able to make it to Detroit
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sure it’s a Wings thing, but we’d get to see Vladimir Konstantinov again; maybe even drop the puck for the game. He’s one of my favorite players of all time.
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I’d love to see that, the NHL awards (I think it was) a couple of seasons ago where he came out was awesome, he’ll obviously never fully recover, but it’s nice to see him improve
by Chi-town leafs on Jan 13, 2012 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
Loved Konstantinov. Master of the hipcheck
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He was the one in the car crash right?
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Limo crash
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Didn’t they wear a patch for him the next year and put his name on the cup? Tragic story.
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His name did go on the 1998 cup, yes. They wore a patch saying “Believe” in Russian/English. He got to wheel around the ice with the cup in his lap.
by Goosemonster on Jan 13, 2012 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
I still remember the look on his face when they gave it to him. Great moment
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It’s hard to think of a more touching moment in hockey
by Chi-town leafs on Jan 13, 2012 2:58 PM EST up reply actions
Mine was Joe Sakic not raising the cup first and handing off the Ray Bourque so he could raise it first and take the first lap
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I was working at Canadian Tire about 5 years ago and stocking the shelves in the hockey section and there was a kid of maybe 8 or 9 with his older brother who looked to be about 16-17 or so. The older kid seemed to be quite full of himself and his “knowledge” of hockey and was generally talking out of his ass. I was silently chuckling to myself as I am want to do around customers like this and we’ve all dealt with him before. The kicker for me was when the younger brother saw we had the new Jason Spezza stick in which was labeled the “JS19”. He turns to his older brother and says ‘JS19? Is that Jason Spezza?" only to be met with the most amount of distain I’ve ever seen used on a little brother “OF COURSE IT IS, WHO ELSE IS JS19 IN THE NHL” I dropped my scanner and had to walk away
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Dude. You shoulda dropped the gloves and gone Colton on him.
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by not norm ullman on Jan 13, 2012 7:38 PM EST up reply actions
Anyone Else Have Obscure Picks for the Alumni Game?
My guess Kenny Jonsson and Marcel Cousineau
"The Passion Continues..."
by WendelMadeMe on Jan 13, 2012 2:10 PM EST up reply actions
His stint with the Leafs will go down in history. He’s like our Mike Weaver. All time.
by Goosemonster on Jan 13, 2012 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
He’d come out for the warmups and then get traded to a future Devils WC alumni team.
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by SkinnyFish on Jan 13, 2012 2:15 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
This right here? Funny.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Jan 13, 2012 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
If May plays I’m going to start burning police cars, skate and tell dat.
by Tickle Me Aulie on Jan 13, 2012 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
Lonny Bohonos, Gary Valk, Sergei Berezin, Yannik Perrault.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 13, 2012 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
GARY ROBERTS
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 13, 2012 2:20 PM EST up reply actions 7 recs
One of two men who single-handedly dragged us through playoff series – the other being Cujo.
by Goosemonster on Jan 13, 2012 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
Gary Roberts love is always appreciated
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by Isosceles Kramer on Jan 13, 2012 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
Gary Roberts is always an insta-rec. My favourite Leaf ever.
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by Draglikepull on Jan 13, 2012 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
Wendel says sup?
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What is the GLI?
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Great Lakes invitational
Always has Michigan and Michigan State. IIRC also Michigan Tech, then they invite a few teams
by Chi-town leafs on Jan 13, 2012 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
upper michigan or something I believe as well…
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 13, 2012 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
northern michigan, rather.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 13, 2012 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
Yo birky
Sign me up for Team Abolitischenn
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 13, 2012 2:30 PM EST reply actions
it’s more like a duo now, but we’ll work on a full team
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I don’t hate him as much as you, but man is he ever overrated by fans.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 13, 2012 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
sigh. yes. The expectations placed on him by a lot of the fans are ridiculous. He’s not likely to ever fulfill them.
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WE HAVE DION PHANEUF HE’S DOING EVERYTHING PEOPLE WANT SCHENN TO DO AND MORE!!!!
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 13, 2012 2:40 PM EST up reply actions
Dion Phaneuf is the best defenceman this team has had in years.
Yes, I really feel that way.
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http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=611605
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Words that scare me:
“Part of a package for JVR”
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This is true.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 13, 2012 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
Paul Hendrick owns
Leafs have 162 man games lost to injury compared to buffalo’s 167. Both teams also lost starting goalies and key defencemen.#noexcuses
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We really lost 162 games? That sounds like so much more than I remember.
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We’ve had 3 of our top 4 centres injured at some point this year (if you include Lombardi as a centre).
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by Draglikepull on Jan 13, 2012 2:52 PM EST up reply actions
Komisarek was gone, Reimer was out a month. Mike Brown missed lots of time.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 13, 2012 2:53 PM EST up reply actions
Connolly, Armstrong, Komisarek probably make up the bulk of those.
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This is an image of a man who looks totally dead inside

To be fair, I would be too if I were wearing that jersey.
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He’s playing pretty well there…
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They’re giving him the least ice time of his career (16:33 lowest previous being 18:42 in his rookie season and the only time he has ever been below 20) and he still has 1 goal and 9 points in 14 GP.
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He’s also done reasonably well from a Corsi perspective in Montreal, unlike in Carolina where he was just awful.
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by Draglikepull on Jan 13, 2012 3:00 PM EST up reply actions
Does it matter?
Playing for the Habs has emptied his poor soul from his body. He needs a Leafs exorcism (after retirement, that is), STAT!
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I can’t look at it.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 13, 2012 2:59 PM EST up reply actions
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by Frag on Jan 13, 2012 3:04 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
You’re thinking of a tugboat.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 13, 2012 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
yes. you just read my mind! all that psychology paid off!
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WOOO. I spend very little money earning my made up BA in psych and behavioral economics.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 13, 2012 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
OW MY EYES WHY DID YOU DO THIS TO ME
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by FiftyMissionCap on Jan 13, 2012 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
Man
this Schenn stuff has gained so much traction there’s almost no chance of it happening now
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I’m kind of nervous about the whole thing. I would argue that a Schenn for JVR trade would be second in riskiness only to the Kessel trade, and even then I’m not sure what’s riskier
by Chi-town leafs on Jan 13, 2012 3:06 PM EST up reply actions
Kessel scored 36 goals.
JVR is being outscored by Clutterbuck.
by stevesmith19 on Jan 13, 2012 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
And Kessel wasn’t getting 60+% o-zone starts.
by stevesmith19 on Jan 13, 2012 3:11 PM EST up reply actions
The fact that there’s complete radio silence from everyone in the media on this says to me that something is happenning but both teams are being tight-lipped. I’m actually amazed that no one has emerged yet to shoot the rumour down.
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by Draglikepull on Jan 13, 2012 3:08 PM EST up reply actions
Or nothing further from Mackenzie or Dreger.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 13, 2012 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
You and I are on the same page. I don’t think Dreger or Mac know shit, and that’s why they’ve only been able to give speculative updates. No one knows anything.
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I remember reading Burke tries to keep everything quiet. He doesn’t like news being leaked out
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Random thought. Saturday night is “Armed Forces Night” Luke has his whole Luke’s troops thing. Would be unfortunate if he were shipped out prior to that night.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 13, 2012 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, although I do think he or Nonis is somewhat open with certain reporters like LeBrun. The total silence is deafening.
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I once heard that Lamierello would cancel trades if the rumour got out
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I have heard that as well.
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by Draglikepull on Jan 13, 2012 3:22 PM EST up reply actions
thats why I am alwats weary of any deal involving new jersey
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SAY THE TRADE DREGER
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 13, 2012 3:17 PM EST reply actions
I WANT A BLOCKBUSTER FUCKING ANNOUNCEMENT
by Tickle Me Aulie on Jan 13, 2012 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
At this point I’ve pretty much convinced myself that the Leafs are working on something, even if it’s not a Schenn for JVR deal. Hard to believe that no reporter anywhere has been able to get some kind of comment out of the team unless they’ve gone into radio silence on purpose.
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by Draglikepull on Jan 13, 2012 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
MAYBE THAT’S WHAT THEY WANT YOU TO THINK.
ONE THING IS FOR SURE NO ONE IS TALKING ABOUT THE FACT THAT THE MONSTER IS STARTING TONIGHT AND MAY START TOMORROW.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 13, 2012 3:22 PM EST up reply actions
Burke has pretty much admitted that he’s got things going on. Heck, I wouldn’t be surprised if he works something else out before the deadline.
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here's a question.
With the exception of the Phaneuf trade, would this be the biggest deal since Owen Nolan? I think it’s bigger than Kessel, if consider the piece(s) going out and that it’s happening mid-season.
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I think the Kessel trade would be bigger as it really established the direction of the team and got the team a real legitimate first line talent-level player.
Oh, and seeing Toskala get shipped out of town was pretty satisfying too.
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by HockeyAnalysis on Jan 13, 2012 3:30 PM EST up reply actions
Just checked twitter
Saw this:
@DarrenDreger: For a trade that dates back to mid-Nov, this one required some work to finalize.
Then freaked out and scanned previous tweets before realizing he was talking about Montreal / Calgary.
sigh. I think I need to get away from the computer for a bit…
by potvin vs hextall on Jan 13, 2012 3:30 PM EST up reply actions
I did the exact same thing.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 13, 2012 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
Theres an imminent trade? I know Burke said hes working on something but you guys seem to be telling me Dreger is about to announce something.
Being a Leafs fan makes me bipolar.
Dreger said he expects Burke to talk to Schenn soon and strongly hinted that there is a deal in the works.
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by Draglikepull on Jan 13, 2012 3:29 PM EST up reply actions
I misread a tweet as well.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 13, 2012 3:30 PM EST up reply actions
Jagr thinking about acquiring Schenn

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by birky on Jan 13, 2012 3:29 PM EST reply actions 7 recs
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Bam Bam.- digga digga damm
by Eterrible on Jan 13, 2012 3:33 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I laughed so hard at the GIF, and then scrolled down and saw this… and laughed harder
by Chi-town leafs on Jan 13, 2012 4:07 PM EST up reply actions
i love the internet.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 13, 2012 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
IT'S CONFIRMED!
@DaoustsImaginaryTwitteraccount: Trade speculation is awesome.
That's "Da-ooo". I killed a turkey once, with a shovel.
haha
jerk.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 13, 2012 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
How do you feel about the crying game?
by LeafInVancouver on Jan 13, 2012 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
I saw it when I was younger, so I was pretty surprised by the, shall we say, twist.
by Goosemonster on Jan 13, 2012 4:48 PM EST up reply actions
The Waiting Game sucks. Let’s play Hungry Hungry Hippos!
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by FiftyMissionCap on Jan 13, 2012 5:02 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I wonder why Philly would want Schenn.
They need a guy to step in a fill in for Pronger no? a mistake prone Schenn doesn’t really fit that bill, he’s not going to make their defense that much better. I wonder if they are looking a Komi…
by pho king awesome on Jan 13, 2012 5:19 PM EST reply actions
please let it be a komi based package
by Chi-town leafs on Jan 13, 2012 5:49 PM EST up reply actions
I think Philly could use him more then Schenn
by pho king awesome on Jan 13, 2012 6:26 PM EST up reply actions
Sam Carchidi @BroadStBull
#Flyers offical on rumor that JVR will be traded to TOR for Luke Schenn: “Not happening.”
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OK. Well that’s the first we’ve heard of anything regarding the subject all day.
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