You Say Goodbye, And I Say Hello
by JP Nikota on Jan 17, 2012 7:14 AM EST
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News that Jake Gardiner had been recalled from the Toronto Marlies yesterday had a few people scratching their heads, but Brian Burke had this all worked out.
Since the Marlies don't play until Saturday, Burke decided that the kid may as well skate with the big team until it's time to actually send him down (or not). Moreover, we learned that Korbinian Holzer had not, in fact, been called up, and so no one else needed to be sent down to fill in the roster limit.
There were those that couldn't help but wonder if this signaled a trade was in the winds, but, given Burke's history (or, to borrow his term, his 'track record' - you know how he loves to talk about it), it's far more likely that he waits another couple weeks before dealing.
James Mirtle has the story:
"They never told me anything," Gardiner said. "I kind of expected something like this to happen during the year. Being a young guy, it’s part of the deal. It usually happens to people so it’s not hard on my confidence. I’ll just shake it off."
Kid has his head on straight. Read on for more links.
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Great quote. From Wyshynski at PD.
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Its a good year to seem a Blues game
After last night they’re home record is 19-3-3.
Resident teetotaler married to a habs fan. Who is also not a fan of most dogs.
I think Detroit
Is still better winning % wise, and stats wise. Those two teams are completely different teams at home and on the road
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
by Semi_Colon on Jan 17, 2012 8:51 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Detroit just set their home winning streak record. 15 W in a row I believe.
About time that people finally realized how awesome Gunnar is...
Certified Gunnar & Kule lover!
My new goal: To get the nickname Hebrew Hammer for Mike Brown to take off.
look at the goals for/ goals against for Detroit
At home vs road. It’s ridiculous. I think they’re over 4 GF/g and around 1.75 GA/g at home. But they’re a minus team on the road
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
by Semi_Colon on Jan 17, 2012 8:56 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Phillipe Dupuis. Still not Scoring in the AHL. Sigh. He does have an Assist or two though..
At least it's not Lebda.
At least it’s not Lebda.
99% of player salaries are payed out to only 1% of players. #OccupyNHL
I'm a Twitter twat.
by MLS on Jan 17, 2012 8:10 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Sounds like you might need a new beer league team soon
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
by Semi_Colon on Jan 17, 2012 9:18 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Scored against the Habs.
Best. Night. Ever.
TWEET AT ME BRO
DAAAAA BLOG
Leaf fan for life! (No, really. They gave me a no-trade clause when I was born.)
by FiftyMissionCap on Jan 17, 2012 11:23 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I was at that game. 4 point nights for Bozak and Kessel too.
The plural of "anecdote" is not "data".
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by Draglikepull on Jan 17, 2012 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
I was not aware we had sent them down.
About time that people finally realized how awesome Gunnar is...
Certified Gunnar & Kule lover!
My new goal: To get the nickname Hebrew Hammer for Mike Brown to take off.
Err
Him rather.
About time that people finally realized how awesome Gunnar is...
Certified Gunnar & Kule lover!
My new goal: To get the nickname Hebrew Hammer for Mike Brown to take off.
there should have been a press conference
Resident teetotaler married to a habs fan. Who is also not a fan of most dogs.
It probably happened while I was in Cuba.
About time that people finally realized how awesome Gunnar is...
Certified Gunnar & Kule lover!
My new goal: To get the nickname Hebrew Hammer for Mike Brown to take off.
Yeah it was a pretty big deal, we had a whole celebration and everything. Sorry you missed it man.
99% of player salaries are payed out to only 1% of players. #OccupyNHL
I'm a Twitter twat.
CanadianMaple09 is an effective Facebook stalker.
No such trade? In Montreal, those kind of words get you traded. Miller should count himself lucky.
So, apparently I can now be followed.. but no stalking. @alsonamedphil
by Learn2Leaf on Jan 17, 2012 8:06 AM EST via Android app reply actions
It’s what he’s counting on
Professional cusser causer.
by T is for Truculence on Jan 17, 2012 8:36 AM EST up reply actions
Good for them, it’s important that people take a stand against SOPA and PIPA.
99% of player salaries are payed out to only 1% of players. #OccupyNHL
I'm a Twitter twat.
CanadianMaple09 is an effective Facebook stalker.
by MLS on Jan 17, 2012 8:28 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I’m so sick of Pippa. If I see one more damn picture of her…
That's "Da-ooo". I killed a turkey once, with a shovel.
stop reading the magazines in the grocery checkout.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 17, 2012 8:51 AM EST up reply actions
Sweet. Jesus.
"You said you didn't give a f#%k about hockey. And I never saw someone say that before..."
"Storm coming? Hatchet coming!"
Bork?
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
by Semi_Colon on Jan 17, 2012 9:23 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
…as is tradition.
"You said you didn't give a f#%k about hockey. And I never saw someone say that before..."
"Storm coming? Hatchet coming!"
by TheBurnward on Jan 17, 2012 9:25 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I’m missing something here, I have no idea who “pippa” is.
by Goosemonster on Jan 17, 2012 9:18 AM EST up reply actions
Kate Middeltons sister
Resident teetotaler married to a habs fan. Who is also not a fan of most dogs.
oh wait is that the person who married whats his name royalty.
by Goosemonster on Jan 17, 2012 9:20 AM EST up reply actions
right right, I’m sorry but i totally shut all of that out because people were going way too nuts.
by Goosemonster on Jan 17, 2012 9:24 AM EST up reply actions
fair enough. She came to Canada this summer and showed her bottom by accident
Emo Girl Wing of Leafs Nation
WAIT WHAT??
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
by Semi_Colon on Jan 17, 2012 9:27 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Good thing I’m on my phone
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
by Semi_Colon on Jan 17, 2012 9:32 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
AS IS TRADITION!!!!
"You said you didn't give a f#%k about hockey. And I never saw someone say that before..."
"Storm coming? Hatchet coming!"
by TheBurnward on Jan 17, 2012 9:32 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
So happy I’m on vacation til thurs
Roads? Where we're going, we don't need roads.
by LeafsLover on Jan 17, 2012 8:39 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
SOPA looks pretty much dead. All they need to do is wipe off PIPA.
"We are all agreed that your theory is crazy. The question that divides us is whether it is crazy enough to have a chance of being correct."
- Niels Bohr
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Yeah, once the White House came out against SOPA, lawmakers pretty quickly shelved it. It’s nice to see a little democracy in action every once in a while.
The plural of "anecdote" is not "data".
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by Draglikepull on Jan 17, 2012 10:01 AM EST up reply actions
Good morning
Scary thoughts just went through my mind while reading them say that we may need someone should kessel or lupul go down.
Roads? Where we're going, we don't need roads.
by LeafsLover on Jan 17, 2012 8:38 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Them = Hardonk from maple leafs panel
Roads? Where we're going, we don't need roads.
by LeafsLover on Jan 17, 2012 8:49 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
i’ve read this 5 times i still can’t parse this….
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 17, 2012 8:53 AM EST up reply actions
bork
99% of player salaries are payed out to only 1% of players. #OccupyNHL
I'm a Twitter twat.
CanadianMaple09 is an effective Facebook stalker.
And an explanation of bork would be greatly appreciated
Roads? Where we're going, we don't need roads.
by LeafsLover on Jan 17, 2012 9:04 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Bork bork bork , bork Mr. bork borked bork bork.
Borky bork bork
Borkbork bork.
At least it's not Lebda.
by Nifty Mittens on Jan 17, 2012 9:07 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Bork’d
Roads? Where we're going, we don't need roads.
by LeafsLover on Jan 17, 2012 9:08 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Thats the best i could do
At least it's not Lebda.
by Nifty Mittens on Jan 17, 2012 9:08 AM EST up reply actions
I borked your mother last night.
Emo Girl Wing of Leafs Nation
by Fergus30 on Jan 17, 2012 9:09 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
kinky
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
by Semi_Colon on Jan 17, 2012 9:14 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
She says hi by the way
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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you guys were both there eh?
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
by Semi_Colon on Jan 17, 2012 9:17 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
You were there too?
Roads? Where we're going, we don't need roads.
by LeafsLover on Jan 17, 2012 9:17 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
No
I was with semi’s mom.
Fairweather fans can go to hell
Equal oppurtunity asshole and a proud member of the PPPPP
Follow me on twitter: leafer1984
Never seen the Muppets?
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
by Semi_Colon on Jan 17, 2012 9:08 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Haha thanks.
I heard it was terrible. Guess I’ll have to get around to seeing it to be sure
Roads? Where we're going, we don't need roads.
by LeafsLover on Jan 17, 2012 9:21 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
what? who said it was terrible? those people are crazy
Resident teetotaler married to a habs fan. Who is also not a fan of most dogs.
whomever said that movie is terrible is a horrible liar and KNAVE of the first order
Emo Girl Wing of Leafs Nation
by Fergus30 on Jan 17, 2012 9:23 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Bring us a shrubery!
At least it's not Lebda.
by Nifty Mittens on Jan 17, 2012 9:37 AM EST up reply actions
Then, when you have found the shrubbery, you must place it here, beside this shrubbery, only slightly higher, so we get the two-level effect with a little path running down the middle.
Resident teetotaler married to a habs fan. Who is also not a fan of most dogs.
i read one review where the reviewer was bitching about the lack of Elmo, but that guy obviously had no idea what he was reviewing since elmo is technically a muppet, he is not one of “The Muppets”
Resident teetotaler married to a habs fan. Who is also not a fan of most dogs.
thats brutal
"I will actually score as many times as Kulemin assists me."
-Mikhail Grabovski
by MapleLeafMole on Jan 17, 2012 9:28 AM EST up reply actions
First, the only Muppet with significant crossover between Sesame Street and The Muppet Show is Kermit, and there’s no reason for the new movie to change that.
Second, a lack of Elmo can only be a good thing. I hate that little asshole.
Third, The Muppets is joyous, wondrous, and magical. I’m a grown-ass, hard-hearted man, and I found myself crying tears of joy during the first musical number, ten minutes into the movie, just because Jason Segel and company got things so perfectly right. I recommend it to all, young and old.
by Peter Lynn on Jan 17, 2012 9:49 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Not the new one. But now it’s borkin a bell
Roads? Where we're going, we don't need roads.
by LeafsLover on Jan 17, 2012 9:18 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Sorry I’m writing from a smart phone and I’m just getting used to it. I was just pointing out that I’ve never thought about what our team would look like if we didn’t have one our top two players, something that was mentioned in the link to the hockey writers.
I’ve been thinking and seeing a lot about trading for improving our team while not thinking about whether we may need a player that could help us in case something goes wrong or worse.
Roads? Where we're going, we don't need roads.
by LeafsLover on Jan 17, 2012 9:03 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
are you using the app or the mobile site? I found the app easier to post on, but you can’t hide the pictures people post.
Resident teetotaler married to a habs fan. Who is also not a fan of most dogs.
I’m using the mobile site – turned into a direct link on my iPhone home page. I acually found the sb nation app more annoying to follow ppp (which is really the only site I care about on sb) I can’t figure out a good way tO just follow only the posts from ppp on the sb app.
A problem in general with smart phones is that I have to be fairly terse which makes it difficult to hold an argument or explain a point.
Roads? Where we're going, we don't need roads.
by LeafsLover on Jan 17, 2012 9:16 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
It is a bit cumbersome to actually GET to PPP via the SBN app. I don’t like how it feeds you their top stories even if you didn’t subscribe or anything. And also I have yet to find an intuitive/helpful use of the “following” feature.
by lucc on Jan 17, 2012 10:34 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Totally agreed. I wouldn’t mind being able to skip straight past all the college football stories I couldn’t care less about.
by Peter Lynn on Jan 17, 2012 10:49 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Random question about NHL players
Do they get paid by games played or by days? In other words is their salary split into 82 and they get paid for each game or is split into the length of the season (probably about 180 days) and paid for each day? Just wondering, because if it is the second (which I believe it is) Gardiner probably lost a few thousand bucks by this move. (I’m sure he doesn’t mind because it meant he was playing, I just find it an interesting intricacy).
About time that people finally realized how awesome Gunnar is...
Certified Gunnar & Kule lover!
My new goal: To get the nickname Hebrew Hammer for Mike Brown to take off.
It must be by the day, because players don’t lose money if they miss games due to injury do they?
99% of player salaries are payed out to only 1% of players. #OccupyNHL
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Pretty sure it’s by the game. That’s why they always report the list salary due to suspensions.
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
by Semi_Colon on Jan 17, 2012 8:52 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Would Gardiner get extra money than? For playing an extra AHL game without missing an NHL one?
About time that people finally realized how awesome Gunnar is...
Certified Gunnar & Kule lover!
My new goal: To get the nickname Hebrew Hammer for Mike Brown to take off.
Capgeek seems to suggest it is daily
http://capgeek.com/tracker/team.php?team=4
About time that people finally realized how awesome Gunnar is...
Certified Gunnar & Kule lover!
My new goal: To get the nickname Hebrew Hammer for Mike Brown to take off.
The cap is calculated daily but I’m pretty sure payroll is done bi-weekly or semi-monthly.
Cynically Sarcastic
Сертыфікаваны Grabbo Палюбоўнік
also the daily cap hit listed there isn’t their daily salary either necessarily… Gardiner Kadri etc have their bonuses included in that cap hit and they won’t know how much of that they get until the end of the year.
by WizardofNaz on Jan 17, 2012 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
wouldn’t that violate some kind of CBA clause?
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 17, 2012 8:58 AM EST up reply actions
Logic would seem to dictate that he should. After all, he did more work, so he should get more pay.
But for all I know, he could have somehow actually lost money due to his demotion and would have made more just sitting in his apartment and remaining a member of the NHL roster on paper.
I believe its daily as paychecks would be semi monthly like most buisnesses so a set amount would be easier for payroll purposes but the money a player has to pay to NHLPA players emercencty fund is by games.
For instance you get your salary divided by 182 (how many days in the regular season I’m pretty sure) and that is your daily amount and you’d get paid every 15 days for the 15 days previous.
However when suspended you take your salary and divide by 82. Then you pay that amount to the players emergency fund for however many games you’re suspended for. I wouldn’t be surprised if the team still paid you for those days you’re suspended, and you yourself write the check for the lost suspension money.
As for Gardiner he would’ve lost almost $4500 if my math and reasoning are correct by spending the day in the minors.
I remember JFJ did the same thing with Colaiacovo a few years back, sending him up and down to save money on the salary cap. There were articles that said something similar, to the effect that it helped the team but screwed him over because he made less money in the minors
Professional cusser causer.
by T is for Truculence on Jan 17, 2012 9:51 AM EST up reply actions
I also remember the penguins having to do this a few years ago. They had to Yoyo 3 players only having them on the team on game days and them being “demoted” for the off days, because they were so injured they needed the help but they didn’t have the capspace to keep them up full time because their players weren’t on LTIR
by WizardofNaz on Jan 17, 2012 10:00 AM EST up reply actions
suspension costs to the player differ if they are “repeat offenders” or not.
If you’re a first timer, your suspension is calculated by “games missed over 82” as Wiz noted above.
If you are a repeat offender, your suspension is calculated by translating the games missed into a number of days missed – starting with the day of the offense – over 182 (184? can’t remember the exact number).
Repeat offenders end up paying more because they pay from the day of the offense where as a first time guy only pays for games missed.
This space for rant...
by fair_n_hite_451 on Jan 17, 2012 10:08 AM EST up reply actions
there would have to be a caveat for that because if a player got suspended for 2 games after the first game of a 3 games in 4 nights thing he’d only lose 3 days of pay which would be less than 2 games of pay…
by WizardofNaz on Jan 17, 2012 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
If we assume a grinder getting suspended in the above scenario ($500K salary).
first time offender is suspended 2 games. Loses $12,195 (2/82 * 500000)
Repeat offender is suspended 3 days. Loses $8,241 (3/182 * 500000)
So, you could be correct (never heard of that being a situation, so perhaps they do the math ahead of time, and he’d be suspended 3 games in the above circumstance to allow for a longer number of days to be calculated).
This space for rant...
by fair_n_hite_451 on Jan 17, 2012 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
or they say days lost or games lost whichever costs more money…
by WizardofNaz on Jan 17, 2012 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
i am 136% bad with numbers
At least it's not Lebda.
by Nifty Mittens on Jan 17, 2012 10:08 AM EST up reply actions
Salaries are calculated on a daily basis, for cap purposes. As for when they get their checks; probably bi-weekly and the teams’ accounting departments figure it all out.
The First Certified Grabbo Lover
Darcy Tucker gets his cheque once a year, right?
The Leafs are my Rushmore
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 17, 2012 10:10 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
FLAGGED
The plural of "anecdote" is not "data".
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by Draglikepull on Jan 17, 2012 10:11 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
he actually asked to have 1/365th deposited into his account every day.
That's "Da-ooo". I killed a turkey once, with a shovel.
by daoust on Jan 17, 2012 10:12 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I like to think he strolls into the ACC once a year to collect his salary in cash.
The Leafs are my Rushmore
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I also write things about stuff over at the Leafs Nation
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 17, 2012 10:13 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
he brings a pillowcase, like kids collecting candy on halloween.
That's "Da-ooo". I killed a turkey once, with a shovel.
by daoust on Jan 17, 2012 10:14 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
With a big dollar sign on it.
The Leafs are my Rushmore
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I also write things about stuff over at the Leafs Nation
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 17, 2012 10:16 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
He was at the open practice Skinny and I went to. We made jokes about how he was earning his pay.
Emo Girl Wing of Leafs Nation
by Fergus30 on Jan 17, 2012 10:15 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
and you made it out alive? wow.
by Goosemonster on Jan 17, 2012 10:15 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Skinny’s a big guy
Emo Girl Wing of Leafs Nation
by Fergus30 on Jan 17, 2012 10:17 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
He should give Kulemin “jerk lessons”
The Leafs are my Rushmore
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 17, 2012 10:16 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
He was coaching one team, but he spent the whole time signing autographs for a line of people
Emo Girl Wing of Leafs Nation
poor Brad May was the other coach. No one cared.
Resident teetotaler married to a habs fan. Who is also not a fan of most dogs.
by elseldo on Jan 17, 2012 10:39 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Pfft he’s just some no-name tv presenter, who cares?
Kulemin so hot right now, Kulemin.
by PassivelyTruculent on Jan 17, 2012 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
he’s on TV too?
i knew he was assistant coach of the Majors.
Resident teetotaler married to a habs fan. Who is also not a fan of most dogs.
He sits on some panels on Sportsnet, also I heard him sub in for Henny once
Professional cusser causer.
by T is for Truculence on Jan 17, 2012 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
He’s got a gig on Leafs TV too
Kulemin so hot right now, Kulemin.
by PassivelyTruculent on Jan 17, 2012 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
I like him actually. Maybe it’s the youthful enthusiasm that has not yet been crushed by the jaded MSM bourgeoisie
Professional cusser causer.
by T is for Truculence on Jan 17, 2012 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
What was he up to?
"I will actually score as many times as Kulemin assists me."
-Mikhail Grabovski
by MapleLeafMole on Jan 17, 2012 10:29 AM EST up reply actions
Open Practice for the Leafs? Coaching a team?
I’m lost. Not sure if I can be found
"I will actually score as many times as Kulemin assists me."
-Mikhail Grabovski
by MapleLeafMole on Jan 17, 2012 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
Leafs held an open practice and scrimmage for fans to watch
he coached one of the scrimmage teams
Emo Girl Wing of Leafs Nation
There it is. Now it makes sense. Burke is frugal and won’t pay anyone who isn’t contributing in some way
"I will actually score as many times as Kulemin assists me."
-Mikhail Grabovski
by MapleLeafMole on Jan 17, 2012 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
4 point game against a division rival and they are on the back end of a b2b. Yup
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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I’m undecided whether I should try to deafen myself to the game and ignore the GDT and catch the replay later at night or whether I want to know the final score… since I have class
by Chi-town leafs on Jan 17, 2012 10:18 AM EST up reply actions
That puts you one up on Chris Neil.
The plural of "anecdote" is not "data".
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by Draglikepull on Jan 17, 2012 10:22 AM EST up reply actions 8 recs
you have class
which Chris Neil doesn’t.
by Nigel Cadbury on Jan 17, 2012 10:29 AM EST up reply actions
there’s no way I can restrain myself to the level necessary for the prof. not to notice.
I’ll end up swearing at the refs, Konopka, and Neil loudly, and likely going nuts if the Leafs score if the game is close
by Chi-town leafs on Jan 17, 2012 11:01 AM EST up reply actions
Chris,..you're like schooooool on a holiday
No class.
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The Artist Formerly Known as "Junior", who blogs at heroesinrehab.ca/blog
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by jrwendelman on Jan 17, 2012 11:27 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I don’t know why you say goodbye, I say hello.
Do de do de do de do de
Emo Girl Wing of Leafs Nation
hey ya hey hey hey ya
"I will actually score as many times as Kulemin assists me."
-Mikhail Grabovski
by MapleLeafMole on Jan 17, 2012 9:29 AM EST up reply actions
Question for y'all...
Given how Franson seems to be coming around a bit…is that making Schenn a little more expendable in your eyes? Seems to be so much chatter around him (and not just the E-diot).
"You said you didn't give a f#%k about hockey. And I never saw someone say that before..."
"Storm coming? Hatchet coming!"
Expendable is debatable. Moveable? Yes.
Pension Plan Puppets
I hope YouTube comes down to film this.
Ahh, fair enough. Moveable is a much better word.
"You said you didn't give a f#%k about hockey. And I never saw someone say that before..."
"Storm coming? Hatchet coming!"
Moveable – at the right price, e.g. an arm and a leg.
by Goosemonster on Jan 17, 2012 9:45 AM EST up reply actions
Agreed. We shouldn’t just be dumping Schenn to the highest bidder, but having Franson means I’d be less hesitant to move Schenn if a really good offer came along.
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by Draglikepull on Jan 17, 2012 10:04 AM EST up reply actions
Indeed. Have really liked Franson’s game lately.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 17, 2012 10:08 AM EST up reply actions
Seems like he is adjusting well, I figured it would take time given the chasm that separates Toronto and Nashville’s respective styles.
by Goosemonster on Jan 17, 2012 10:15 AM EST up reply actions
Big dude out there too…and a hammer from the point.
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by TheBurnward on Jan 17, 2012 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
it gives us more options than in the past, when the goal was “give the puck to Dion”. Him and Liles have really helped us getting points from the blue line.
by Goosemonster on Jan 17, 2012 10:27 AM EST up reply actions
He seems to be pretty accurate as well, from the games I have watched. Been a couple posts I’ve seen, for sure.
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by TheBurnward on Jan 17, 2012 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
He’s been really good at two things on the PP:
1. Getting pucks through traffic to the net.
2. Keeping pucks in the zone on clearing attempts by the other team.
I’ve been especially impressed with #2.
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by Draglikepull on Jan 17, 2012 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
He is amazing at keeping pucks in. Its unreal
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So is Dion. It terrified me at first but now I know better. PK has to aim for the sky to get it past him.
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I don’t know whether he passes well enough to be classified as a “puck moving” defenceman, but I really enjoy his work at the point. He doesn’t force shots, he looks for shooting lanes and adjusts quickly.
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by Back In Black on Jan 17, 2012 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
Math and the salary cap
This is just looking at Gardiner mind you:
Gardiner’s last game was January 5th against the Jets; 12 days ago. He’s been “on the team” for 10 of those days.
Per capgeek, Gardiner’s daily cap hit is $6,036. That means that Burke has essentially burned $60,360 of available salary cap (soon to be $90,540 is Gardiner goes back down Saturday) just to have Gardiner practice with the Leafs.
Now granted that’s not all that much, but it’s still needlessly burning salary cap that could be used at the trade deadline to take on salary. Just kind of weird that Burke’s made frugal moves before, failing to qualify RFAs and then signing them below their qualification number, but then burns nearly the same amount of cash just so a kid can practice with a team he won’t play for.
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There is a simple explanation for this…
Wilson makes the roster decisions.
Wilson probably wasn’t expecting to keep Gardiner out of the lineup for so long but with the D playing as well as it had been there wasn’t any way to fit Gardiner back in there once Komi was healthy.
Also I bet it wasn’t Wilson’s idea to send him down either. I bet Burke looked at the schedules and went to Wilson and said “Let Jake have one game down there just for some ice time”
Fair, but it should be Burke/Nonis’ job to say to Wilson “Hey, either use this kid or I’m sending him back because you’re burning up my cap.”
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If that was the case Rosehill would’ve gone down long ago… Burke/Nonis and Wilson all know and planned for having a full 23 man roster.
Also I bet Wilson wasn’t planning on keeping Gardiner out of the lineup so well but he came out after the 5th because Komi was back and then the D were playing well so why change it.
Yeah, I dunno. Were I Burke, I’d only carry 22 players on my active roster; with an extra F and D in case of game day injuries. The 2nd F is a waste.
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Agreed and actually until today that is what they were doing as Rosehill was the only extra because of injuries until now since Bozak’s back and Boyce is to the pressbox
by WizardofNaz on Jan 17, 2012 10:01 AM EST up reply actions
Boyce is injured
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by leafer1984 on Jan 17, 2012 10:05 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
really? guess I missed that this weekend…
by WizardofNaz on Jan 17, 2012 10:07 AM EST up reply actions
According to Burke’s interview on the radio last week, that sort of is what happenned.
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by Draglikepull on Jan 17, 2012 10:05 AM EST up reply actions
That means that Burke has essentially burned $60,360 of available salary cap (soon to be $90,540 is Gardiner goes back down Saturday) just to have Gardiner practice with the Leafs.
I’d make that trade, but A) Wilson said Gardiner would be playing tonight, and B) if we’re penny pinching on cap space, I think we talk about Colton Orr riding the press box well before we’re talking about Gardiner being up one day before playing.
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by Bower Power on Jan 17, 2012 10:27 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
especially since Orr practicing with the team is useless, Gardiner practicing with the team contributes to his development as a defenseman
by Chi-town leafs on Jan 17, 2012 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
What to get pissed off?
Orr and Rosehill, absolutely. They’ve burned nearly $900k between the two of them and played all of 20 games total.
That’s equivalent to paying a player $3.69M to play 82 games.
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So.......
We can debate about whether or not Schenn is overpaid by $750k, or Armstrong by $1M or whatever…..but when Burke burns nearly $1M on two 4 line pluggers who don’t play then our arguments become rather moot.
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by TheBurnward on Jan 17, 2012 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
I don't necessarily agree with that.
If a team is to carry 23 players (a full roster, which most teams do), than what Orr and Rosehill are taking off our cap is the difference between their salaries and league min. Not the total of their salaries.
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If you’re going to carry a 23-man roster and rarely/never play the 23rd guy, it may as well be a 4th line guy making very little money. Which may justify keeping Rosehill around, but not Orr.
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by Draglikepull on Jan 17, 2012 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
Even with Orr, all I am saying is that if it weren’t him it would be someone else. So the money “wasted” is the difference between him and league min. Not his full cap hit.
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I wonder if part of it is reward? While that is a small amount on the cap, it is a pretty significant chunk of change for the player. While it could be argued that it means less for a prospect like Gardiner who is probably more likely to make some bigger bucks on a future contract, it probably means a lot to a guy like Joey Crabb or Boyce.
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still in your first year as a pro hockey player having to give up about $31000 a week in salary is huge… for Boyce and Crabb they lose less as they make more in the minors.
Gardiner’s daily salary (less say 182 day season I forget actual number but its close)
NHL- $875,000/ 182= $4807.69 per day
AHL- $65,000/182 = $357.14 per day
He makes $$4,4450.55 a day elss in the AHL
by WizardofNaz on Jan 17, 2012 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
Exactly. So when Skinny says it is bad cap management (which it is), it is also a bit of a dick move to the players to send down every chance you get. Burke being the “player’s GM” that he is, I am not surprised he doesn’t do that.
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You have to think that this sort of petty penny-pinching, while it might be smart cap management, can only hurt the team when it comes time to sign players, not only because of the potential loss of earnings but all the extra travel involved in physically reporting to the farm team and coming back a day or two later. Toronto becomes an attractive destination in a couple of ways here.
Also its not that bad cap management because I bet neither Burke nor Wilson expected the Dcore to play so well as to keep Gardiner out of the lineup for 10 days… sure he was expected to miss one game (the game Komi came back) but I know I expected someone to suck enough they needed to sit out a game.
Not to mention Wilson said Gardiner is playing tonight so it further proves my theory it wasn’t a planned 10 days off so sending him down didn’t make sense
by WizardofNaz on Jan 17, 2012 11:06 AM EST up reply actions
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The Sabres will have to go 25-12-0 the rest of the way to get to 93 points. Can we rule them out at this point?
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If you concede Buffalo and everyone behind them is done in East, that leaves a 10-team race. And it’s only Jan. 17.
Well can we?
by ChrisFromParadise on Jan 17, 2012 10:32 AM EST reply actions
Is it possible they can do it? Yes, that’s really just winning 2 out of every 3 games here on out.
Is it likely? No.
by Chi-town leafs on Jan 17, 2012 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah that’s a tough record to get, especially given their injuries. Good news for us I guess. I’m not sure 93 points willl cut it this year, we’ll see – it’s still really close this year.
by Goosemonster on Jan 17, 2012 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
It’ll probably be close to that 93, depending on how many OT games and how many west teams beat East teams (hopefully Western conference teams win out against the East except against the Leafs)
by Chi-town leafs on Jan 17, 2012 10:37 AM EST up reply actions
I’d like to get as close to 100 as possible – high 90s – , which I think isn’t entirely unreasonable.
by Goosemonster on Jan 17, 2012 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
High 90’s should get us in for sure, and hopefully as something higher than 8th seeded too (I’d really hope for 6th ideally so we can likely play the SE division winner)
by Chi-town leafs on Jan 17, 2012 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
6th is I think a realistic spot for us to aim for – it also would mean we wouldnt be on the edge of our seats until the very last game, ideally.
by Goosemonster on Jan 17, 2012 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
Which would be nice. That and I’d like to play either Florida or Washington 1st round as opposed to Boston or New York/Philly
by Chi-town leafs on Jan 17, 2012 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
because Boston would take us in 4 games and absolutely destroy us. So 8th place is really not a good place to be (I think Boston will end up first)
by Goosemonster on Jan 17, 2012 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
That is likely what would happen, but in my head the series would be like Mighty Ducks 2, with Boston as Iceland and the Leafs as the USA (insert Leafs are too American joke)
by Chi-town leafs on Jan 17, 2012 11:06 AM EST up reply actions
So, who would be pulling the triple-deke move on Boston?
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 17, 2012 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
Who would promptly turn it over at the blue line
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by PassivelyTruculent on Jan 17, 2012 2:05 PM EST up reply actions
No, no. The triple deke was pulled by an iceland player (Gunner Stahl, I think?!?!?). So he would have to be
on Boston.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 17, 2012 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
I am half Icelandic, and I named myself Nifty Mittens.
Close enough
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by Nifty Mittens on Jan 17, 2012 2:37 PM EST up reply actions
Back to back days with a D2 reference. I’m hoping we go 3 for 3 tomorrow. I’m not gonna hold out hope for a week straight cause that would be thinking crazy………………..
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They might have a chance if all their defensemen were simultaniously healthy.
But that’s not happening.
Lottery pick, ho!
As long as 70 minutes of ice time is being doled out to AHLers and Matt Ellis, the Sabres are basically doomed
The sabres need to almost match what NJ did last year to make playoffs.
NJ run after 44 games last year was 26 10 2.
That’s what they did last year to make the playoffs when they had no business being there (Sabres were 22-13-3 i think)
As long as 70 minutes of ice time is being doled out to AHLers and Matt Ellis, the Sabres are basically doomed
in fact, exactly the same thing last year
One year ago today, the Sabres were in a 19-20-5 hole following an ugly Saturday night loss to the New York Islanders.
As long as 70 minutes of ice time is being doled out to AHLers and Matt Ellis, the Sabres are basically doomed
To do that, Miller would have to start playing lights out overnight. And judging my the success of my fantasy team, that probably isn’t going to happen. The goal scoring isn’t there. Teams that have scored less than the Sabres – Calgary, Minnesota, Los Angeles (?!) NYI and Columbus.
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Yes, but that doesn’t mean that they can’t spoil the Leafs’ season. We play them twice more – in a back to back as the third and fourth to last games of the season.
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by Bower Power on Jan 17, 2012 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
A 10 team race that easily becomes a 9 team race if the Leafs lose 4 point games against the Senators, Hurricanes, Capitals, and Penguins in the coming weeks.
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yes there are some real must win games coming up, that’s for sure.
by Goosemonster on Jan 17, 2012 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
Hurricaines aren’t really 4 point games.
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No but those are the games we absolutely need to win (i.e against struggling teams, more than against the Boston’s and New York’s)
by Chi-town leafs on Jan 17, 2012 10:57 AM EST up reply actions
You could say the same about NJ, FLA, WIN, and maybe OTT as well. If you’re a bubble team, teams against other bubble teams are huge, and other than that you want to at least keep pace with the others. /obvious’d
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by Draglikepull on Jan 17, 2012 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
Were do the leafs compare at the all star break over previous seasons?
/where do i find this
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by Nifty Mittens on Jan 17, 2012 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
hockey-reference.com
click Teams → Leafs
select the season you want
Click “schedule and results” from the dropdown menu
This year after 44 games: 22-17-5
Last year after 44 games: 18-21-5
2008-2009 (Wilson’s first year) after 44 games: 17-21-6
mhm :)
08/09 – 40pts in 44gp
09/10 – 39pts in 44gp
10/11 – 41pts in 44gp
11/12 – 49pts in 44gp
woot
by Ben Schnell on Jan 17, 2012 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
Rebuilding team improves over time. Strange, that.
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by Draglikepull on Jan 17, 2012 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
don't tell columbus
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by Back In Black on Jan 17, 2012 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
By the look of Ben’s post, rebuilding team malingers and then suddenly enjoys a mild surge; GM looks like genius in hindsight
by GettinGiggy on Jan 17, 2012 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
OT losses are still losses. Turning some of them into wins is a real improvement, if only a small one.
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by Draglikepull on Jan 17, 2012 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
okay, well our record was:
08/09 – 44gp, 17W, 27L
09/10 – 44gp, 15W, 29L
10/11 – 44gp, 18W, 26L
11/12 – 44gp, 22W, 22L
so thats huge improvement
by Ben Schnell on Jan 17, 2012 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
wooo .500 :)
At least it’s now and not scrambling to get to .500 the last week of the season
by GettinGiggy on Jan 17, 2012 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
I mis-read lucc’s comments, I didn’t realize they were slightly out of order. I’d still say 15 to 18 to 22 is solid improvement.
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by Draglikepull on Jan 17, 2012 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
I enjoyed Ryan Miller’s interview posted on PD.
I appreciate that level of honesty
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by MapleLeafMole on Jan 17, 2012 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
well I hope he enjoys getting traded to Calgary
by Chi-town leafs on Jan 17, 2012 10:57 AM EST up reply actions
haha…I doubt it. He’ll be around for a while
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by MapleLeafMole on Jan 17, 2012 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
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Looks like luke schenn is a healthy scratch vs sens tonight.
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If that was a valid trade Burke would jump at that like Dustin Penner on pancakes… Piole would be getting back maybe half the value of what Suter could bring him at the deadline
by WizardofNaz on Jan 17, 2012 11:08 AM EST up reply actions
to be fair, the phaneuf trade didn’t work in NHL 11.
by Goosemonster on Jan 17, 2012 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
I got Weber for Franson and Liles once. That means it could happen in real life right
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by T is for Truculence on Jan 17, 2012 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
Even the computer isn’t THAT stupid.
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by PassivelyTruculent on Jan 17, 2012 11:29 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
siigh if only :(
I would LOVE Suter on this team.
I can’t think of a better fit beside Phaneuf on our top pairing (LD, eats minutes dependable in both ends of ice.. actually potentially available)
by WizardofNaz on Jan 17, 2012 11:11 AM EST up reply actions
Suter’s dad coached Kessel. I don’t think they actually played on the same team much though as Suter is 2 years older
by WizardofNaz on Jan 17, 2012 11:14 AM EST up reply actions
They did not play together. Mike Brown and Matt Lashoff have both played with Suter, though, funny enough.
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by Bower Power on Jan 17, 2012 11:14 AM EST up reply actions
They might’ve played some games if Kessel played up for a tournament or something because he was so good
by WizardofNaz on Jan 17, 2012 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
Sorry, should’ve said – they did not play together on any team tracked by hockeydb.
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by Bower Power on Jan 17, 2012 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
Oh yah I knew that, but when Kessel said the best player he played against growing up was Ryan Suter and that Suter’s dad was Kessel’s coach growing up I’m sure they played together before they moved into the leagues hockeydb tracks
by WizardofNaz on Jan 17, 2012 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
They both played for the Madison Capitols (coached by Bob Suter), but I can’t say if they actually played on that team together.
Anyway, they can still be friends without actually playing together. Maybe there’s even a better chance of it, given Kessel’s track record of not getting along with teammates in his youth.
My only thought is a player as talented as Kessel would probably play up a year or 2 for some games as he would probably be able to hold his own. It could be why his teammates didn’t like him because he was this young guy who took a spot of someone who was actually that age. I know a couple guys who played up a year if they were good enough
by WizardofNaz on Jan 17, 2012 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
I would not like that trade. At all… HE IS A UFA. And you are incorrect at the value he could bring back as a UFA.
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How many teams overpay for UFA’s at the deadline, they try to add that one single piece at the deadline for that years cup run that may not fit into their team longterm.
by WizardofNaz on Jan 17, 2012 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
But look at what big names have returned
Kovy for example.
Kovy + Selma + 2nd
for
Bergfors + Cormier + 2nd + 1st + Oduya
So Atlanta lost out on the second swap (their second was obviously going to be much better than NJ’s), but definitely upgrade from Selma to Oduya.
Cormier was a depth prospect who is never likely to be more than a 3rd liner and Bergfors was a pretty solid looking rookie on pace for 20 goals. And a late first. It really isn’t all that much.
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However, Atlanta was dealing from a position of weakness. Everyone knew he wanted out of Atlanta and was gonna bail as soon as free agency came
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If Poile is looking at dealing Suter, it’s because he doesn’t think he can re-sign Suter. He’s gone on the record as saying he wants to re-sign Suter many times.
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by Bower Power on Jan 17, 2012 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
of course if he said he didnt want to re-sign him, the offers wouldnt be as good.
by Goosemonster on Jan 17, 2012 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
If we trade Schenn and a first for half a season of Suter, that would be a terrible trade. There’s no way Burke does that without practically a guarantee he re-signs
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by T is for Truculence on Jan 17, 2012 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
You don’t get those guarantees. It is why I am always hesitant on those kind of trades.
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except I think Burke would make that trade only if he was already on planning on trying to sign Suter in the offseason. If he was planning on setting aside the 6mil+ anyways I think he’d make the trade knowing he’d get the extra few months to work out a new deal…
by WizardofNaz on Jan 17, 2012 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
we can’t really pay for Suter without getting rid of some dead-weight contracts – we still will want to upgrade up front. We do lose Liles and Grabbo if we don’t resign them – that’s 8 million, but we also need to sign some RFAs. Fingers crossed in the off-season we can get rid of Komi, who will only be getting paid 3.5million then IIRC.
by Goosemonster on Jan 17, 2012 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
Schenn is gone in that deal. It is enough to figure it out.
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No need for a deal if he reaches UFA. He might just test the market, as player salaries have gotten really exorbinant lately.
by Goosemonster on Jan 17, 2012 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
If he hits the open market Burke will make a offer, and worry about the rest of the money later.. he’ll have the capspace from Liles and Grabo, not to mention all his RFA’s like Kuli, Gunner etc
Insert talent at the top and then use remaining money to build the rest of the team.
by WizardofNaz on Jan 17, 2012 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
BCapp’s right though: there is no guarantee that Suter will re-sign. As I’m sure agents will say every time, there is no point in re-signing when you’re going to become a UFA in three months. Still, that players frequently do suggests that if they get a contract they think is fair they will take it to stay somewhere they’re comfortable, rather than holding out for a few more bucks.
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by T is for Truculence on Jan 17, 2012 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
I’d assume whoever trades for Suter wmould talk contract with him first.
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Not 100% clear on the rules regarding that. I think Nashville has to grant permission for that to happen. I would, if it means getting a better package, but I suspect Nashville will be trying to re-sign him until the last minute. My bet is if he gets moved he gets moved on deadline day
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by T is for Truculence on Jan 17, 2012 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
Oh for sure I just do see Nashville getting any good return if they don’t allow the other team to talk contract. Unless that GM was an idiot.
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and at this point Nashville would know if the price to sign is too much for them. If he’s looking for 7/7 and they can only offer 5/5 they know its not going to work
by WizardofNaz on Jan 17, 2012 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
If you have to choose between Weber and Suter you choose Weber. I just don’t see Nashville being able to afford to keep them both, especially when they absolutely need to allocate more of their cap to their forwards.
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by T is for Truculence on Jan 17, 2012 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
It is hard to “choose Weber” in that his QO is going to be above 7 million. Weber can easily just accept that and go to UFA next season.
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Yes but my point is it will be next to impossible for Nashville to keep them both long-term. Yes Weber’s an RFA after this year, but if you sign Suter long-term then how much money do you have left to sign Weber long-term afterwards? And will there be any money left to spend on forwards?
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by T is for Truculence on Jan 17, 2012 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
You are missing my point. It is not that Weber is an RFA. It is that Weber is an RFA with an INSANE QO
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its %110 of 7.5 mill aka 8.25 mil if I know my math and CBA rules
by WizardofNaz on Jan 17, 2012 12:18 PM EST up reply actions
So you’re saying Nashville can’t even afford his QO so it makes more sense to keep the one you might actually be able to afford (Suter)?
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by T is for Truculence on Jan 17, 2012 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
counterpoint: desperate GMs do unspeakable things.
by Goosemonster on Jan 17, 2012 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
Poile: “Hey Fransy, you and lombo are going to Toronto.”
Franson: "Really? Both of Us? Wow, you must have received an excellent return, who’s coming this way?
Poile: “Well, you see… actually…”
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 17, 2012 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
Franson: So what did you get? Come on tell me!
Poile: You see that bag over there?
Franson: Oh sure that sack.
Poile: It’s fully of money.
by Goosemonster on Jan 17, 2012 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
Poile: Well, let me put it this way, I would have preferred that bag of pucks to what we got…
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 17, 2012 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
Poile: You see, Cody, if I put this puck at the blue line, and I try to shoot the puck out of the zone, I’m actually more likely to hit the puck than the player I could have traded for. So I just asked for a bag of pucks, really, I couldn’t lose! It was 20X the player’s value!
by Goosemonster on Jan 17, 2012 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
well, one guy with rocks in his head really, but close enough
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by fair_n_hite_451 on Jan 17, 2012 2:07 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I doubt it. The current GM rarely allows that (look at Kovy again for an example). I would think with regards to Suter, Burke would hopefully have some idea of his interest based on previous interactions and relationships.
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Burke wouldn’t get right to negotiate, however I do think he’d be allowed to talk to the agent to hear the kind of contract demands Suter has.
by WizardofNaz on Jan 17, 2012 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
You’re not supposed to, but I bet Burke’s had a couple drinks with the agents for these guys. You know, shoot the shit
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by T is for Truculence on Jan 17, 2012 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
well the agents usually represent multiple people from multiple teams, however I think Burke respects the integrity of the game too much to try and negotiate without approval.
by WizardofNaz on Jan 17, 2012 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
I highly doubt it. That is quite illegal.
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Only if you get caught
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by T is for Truculence on Jan 17, 2012 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
And?
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by WizardofNaz on Jan 17, 2012 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
Are you really surprised. I said this yesterday. Move Komi back to the right side and now they have 3 proper LD and 3 proper RD
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Do you think Komi has out played Luke?
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horrendous pass on Saturday aside, yes.
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overall perhaps, but lately neither has been good.
by Goosemonster on Jan 17, 2012 11:08 AM EST up reply actions
Komi had a rough game on Saturday but he is playing his off side. I think Wilson is making the right choice here
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Komisarek’s been getting more icetime and killing penalties… although those are coaching decisions, possibly unjustified. Personally I would have been more tempted to sit out Aulie or Komisarek, but Wilson doesn’t seem very confident in Schenn right now.
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by Back In Black on Jan 17, 2012 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
yeah. this does not mean trade imminent.
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by MapleLeafMole on Jan 17, 2012 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
LET THE RAMPANT SPECULATION BEGIN!
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no wait, Schenn + 2nd (2012) and 3rd (2013) for Getzlaf, 5th (2012) and conditional pick
by Goosemonster on Jan 17, 2012 11:08 AM EST up reply actions
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Nazem kadri looks like a healthy scratch as well as joey crabb takes his spot on the 3rd line with lombardi and connolly.
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Wow what the fuck, that’s retarded. Kadri’s been playing well lately, and we need him in the lineup for a game as important as this one.
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Bull. You just don’t think his butt is big enough.
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He was not good against the Rangers. Trying to go 1 on 3 isnt playing well. The guy is still making a lot of the same mistakes that got him sent down. After 5-6 games he already got complacent
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Agree. I’ve got no problem with a 1-game scratch to send a message to him that he’s got to get rid of some of the risky plays in his game.
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by Draglikepull on Jan 17, 2012 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
Still, one or two bad games after a stretch of 7 or 8 good ones. No one was good against the Rangers, or the Sabres in the game prior.
I disagree. Kadri HAS to be on his toes every game. He has bad habits and the leafs cant let them slip back into his game
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You don’t really give confidence into kids by pulling them when they have one bad game. Frattin got by with a few sub-par games, but he bounced back. I’m disappointed Kadri is out.
by Goosemonster on Jan 17, 2012 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
It’s not about having a bad game, it’s about repeatedly making bad decisions. Frattin has room to improve, but he rarely makes completely boneheaded plays. Kadri’s gotta learn he can’t deke 3 NHL players every shift.
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by Draglikepull on Jan 17, 2012 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
difference between Frattin and Kadri? This is his 3rd season being told he makes those mistakes and needs to correct them.
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Other difference
Kadri is ~3 years younger than Frattin.
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Yes he is. However, in the 09/10 season when Kadri was at his first camp, what was the consensus on him? Skilled, but needs to smarten up and use his teammates more.
10-11? Make the safer play, dont turn the puck over
11-12? He got better, but still made those mistakes.
He has had the coaching but is still doing it.
Frattin hasn’t had that luxury
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For sure, I wasn’t really directing the comment to you. Just to people who compare them in general. It is okay if Kadri is still trying to get his head straight. He is young.
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Right, so he is gonna sit in the press box once in a while.
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Ah the fun we have introducing a skilled player into the lineup.
Let’s beat the creativity out of him. Teach him to play dump and chase. Make a great fourth liner out of him.
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No one is saying to turn him into that type of player. HOwever, he needs to play smarter. Trying to stick handle thru 3 players is not a smart play
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We want a dynamic offensive presence but if he tries something and it doesn’t work he should be scratched. Duh.
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Holy shit you’re obtuse
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This is going to be Kadri’s maturation process. He’s not the usual plugger we bring up from the Marlies.
He’s a young kid who is used to using skill to make big plays. It’s why we drafted him. It’s what he knows. It’ll take time for him to learn the NHL.
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Has anyone here disagreed with that assessment? I dont think so.
However, the kid has bad habits, I think anyone watching can see that. The leafs need to curb those habits, making him watch a game in the pressbox can do that.
Its not like its the first time Kadri has heard these complaints before
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How does keeping him from gathering experience help him learn? He’s learned in the AHL the press box, his teams have video sessions with him. Now he needs time to improve his split second decision making ability that you can’t do when you aren’t playing.
by WizardofNaz on Jan 17, 2012 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
its funny, he has a tendency to return to old offensive habits (deking, trying to make something) when we’re losing. Funnny how that works….
by Goosemonster on Jan 17, 2012 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
Oh my you mean when he wants to make things happen when he’s desperate he tries a little too hard? SHOCKING!!
by WizardofNaz on Jan 17, 2012 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
I know, we should get rags on a stick and beat those plays out of him! How dare you attempt to use your talents to spark our offense! Know your role, noob!
by Goosemonster on Jan 17, 2012 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
Lets not forget as little as 2 years ago when Dale Hunter needed a goal his go to play was “Get control of the puck give it to Kadri and hope it works out”
by WizardofNaz on Jan 17, 2012 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, lets compare OHL to NHL…
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I’m just saying he’s used to being relied on for big goals and doing whatever he can to get those goals. So he’s still trying to work those plays out of his system. And only experience will let him do that. Bag skating him will not allow him to improve his decision making
by WizardofNaz on Jan 17, 2012 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
top tier OHL talent does tend to help a player in the NHL, suprisingly.
by Goosemonster on Jan 17, 2012 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
Lets try to cut back on the retarded comments.
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by BCapp on Jan 17, 2012 11:19 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Let’s try to cut back on the retarded
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by not norm ullman on Jan 17, 2012 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
Let’s try to cut back on
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Let’s tr
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by not norm ullman on Jan 17, 2012 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
urp.
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by not norm ullman on Jan 17, 2012 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
Let
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by Draglikepull on Jan 17, 2012 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
wait huh? whose on the 4th line then? I thought you guys said above that Boyce is hurt.
by WizardofNaz on Jan 17, 2012 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
I thought they said he got yesterday off as a maintenance day not necessarily an injury
by ShahofToronto on Jan 17, 2012 11:14 AM EST up reply actions
steckel brown and rosehill
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If Rosehill draws in over Kadri fire wilson
by WizardofNaz on Jan 17, 2012 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
David alter
Luke Schenn and Nazem Kadri will be the scratches tonight, Joey Crabb moves up to the third line with Connolly and Lombardi, Jay Rosehill in
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Fucking hell.
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I have 3 possible explanations:
1) Wilson was not happy with Kadri’s game on Saturday
2) WIlson wants toughness against the likes of Neil
3) WIlson just likes the standard ROsehill vs Lassard fight
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But does having a tough guy instead of a guy like Kadri in the lineup give us a better chance to win? I’m not so sure.
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HERE IT COMES!!!
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by TheBurnward on Jan 17, 2012 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
It’s because he subscribes to the (not totally true) notion that Rosehill will prevent Neil, Konopka, and Carkner from taking liberties with our better players
by Chi-town leafs on Jan 17, 2012 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
SCHENN + KADRI AND A FIRST FOR GETZLAF AND RYAN AND A FIFTH AND A CONDITIONAL SEVENTH
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by Bower Power on Jan 17, 2012 11:17 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
What kinda boat?
Dory?
Yacht?
Love boat?
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by not norm ullman on Jan 17, 2012 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
A Schooner!
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it’s not a schooner it’s a boat.
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A schooner is a boat stupid
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by not norm ullman on Jan 17, 2012 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
does it come with a nautical themed pashmina afghan?
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by not norm ullman on Jan 17, 2012 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
I’m the King of the World, on a boat like Leo
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by Draglikepull on Jan 17, 2012 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
I’m gonna fly this boat to the moon somehow
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fuck trees I climb buoys motherfucka
by Chi-town leafs on Jan 17, 2012 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
now do the creep
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 17, 2012 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
Got my swim trunks, and my flippy floppies!
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by PassivelyTruculent on Jan 17, 2012 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
BOBBY RYAN FOR SCHENN, KADRI, AND ALL THE TEA IN CHINA!!!1
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by FiftyMissionCap on Jan 17, 2012 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
That’s fantastic
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by Nifty Mittens on Jan 17, 2012 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
DavidAlter590 David Alter
Talking to Schenn, he’s unaware if he is sitting, the defense may still be a mystery for tonight…#leafs
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Ron Wilson clearly loves telling players why they get sent to the minors (Gardiner) and whether or not people will play/dress.
I guess he’s waiting for another holiday to tweet about it?
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 17, 2012 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
Maybe players have been told not to talk to the media about who’s playing/sitting.
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by Draglikepull on Jan 17, 2012 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
or maybe he just hasn’t done it yet. OR maybe people who dont like Wilson will find every chance to bitch about him
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I’m pretty neutral on Wilson, but their have been multiple examples of shitty communication between Wilson and his players.
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by MapleLeafMole on Jan 17, 2012 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
what do we really know what goes on… the only thing I am certain about is that this tight knit management is big on secrets/behind closed doors stuff.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Jan 17, 2012 11:21 AM EST reply actions
What a twist!
Gametime decision on who sits out on the blueline tonight.
Henny
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Wilson will likely spin the wheel-o-scratches right before the pre-game skate to decide.
As long as 70 minutes of ice time is being doled out to AHLers and Matt Ellis, the Sabres are basically doomed
Did he borrow the Wheel-O-Justice from Shanahan and just paste names on top of the numbers?
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by Draglikepull on Jan 17, 2012 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
Aulie and Schenn both sit, Rosehill plays defence to match his Behind the Net category.
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by Back In Black on Jan 17, 2012 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
keeping those journalists on their toes.
by Goosemonster on Jan 17, 2012 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
Hey if the Habs can make a trade in the middle of a game, anyone can
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by T is for Truculence on Jan 17, 2012 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
Friedman on Leafs:
9. Obviously, there’s a lot of talk about Luke Schenn. But hearing that a few teams are watching Toronto AHL defenceman Korbinian Holzer very closely (Anaheim is one). A few guys who see him much more than I do think he’s ready for a consistent shot at the NHL. He’s defensive-minded (a good penalty killer) and doesn’t back down. Could be part of a package for something.
by Goosemonster on Jan 17, 2012 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
Why aren’t we playing him over Aulie!
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well that makes sense
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Obviously he doesn’t seem like much of a priority within the Leafs organization at the moment, but I’d sure like to see Holzer get a real crack at an NHL spot.
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by Self Destructive Zones on Jan 17, 2012 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
With the Leafs, I should add.
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by Self Destructive Zones on Jan 17, 2012 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
Burke was damned if he did/damned if he didn’t by trying to soothe Schenn, who really likes it in Toronto. The danger in telling a player he won’t be dealt is a) things change quickly and b) sometimes GMs feel it’s better to lie to a player in case a potential trade falls apart. Jamie Langenbrunner and Teemu Selanne were two players packaged shortly after being told nothing was going on, and it took both a long time to get over it.
Um….alarm bells?
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No, no alarm bells. Burke won’t trade Schenn unless he gets something really favourable – look at his deals sending out Beauch and Kabs, those cost quite a bit and gave us a big boost in our organizational depth.
by Goosemonster on Jan 17, 2012 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
Burke tells Schenn he might be traded? PANIC!!!1
Burke tells Schenn he won’t be traded? PANIC!!!1
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by CanadianMaple09 on Jan 17, 2012 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
He’s also #15 in the top 25.
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by PassivelyTruculent on Jan 17, 2012 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
He deserves a shot in the NHL , even more so if we get a Ryan/Perry/Getzlaff
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by Nifty Mittens on Jan 17, 2012 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
This is an interesting piece:
Do you think it’s possible that 24/7 changed Bryz’s confidence level? And if so, should we be worried about possibly participating in 24/7 if we get the WC?
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Bryzgalov seemed to have confidence issues even before the start of 24/7. Remember that crazy interview early in the season where he said his confidence was shot and he couldn’t save anything? The guy just seems fragile mentally. Maybe it is because he’s so spacey
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by T is for Truculence on Jan 17, 2012 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
not to mention I think he tried too hard to impress the camera’s. I don’t think Burke/Wilson and especially Phaneuf will let someone try and be bigger than the team. Also our goalies are quiet people as well.
by WizardofNaz on Jan 17, 2012 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
No I’m sure our narrative will be “young, bonding team trying to lead a historic organization to a return to the top of the NHL”
by Goosemonster on Jan 17, 2012 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
That actually makes a lot of sense from a TV standpoint, esp. to contrast with an aging Detroit team looking for one last kick at the can
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by T is for Truculence on Jan 17, 2012 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
yup, young vs. old, canada vs. america, they’ll run with them. Usually the first episode they search for a narrative/players that fiti nto that narrative and are entertaining and then run with it.
by Goosemonster on Jan 17, 2012 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
There’s a lot of rich material to draw from with both teams. And with the whole Canada vs USA thing, it’s interesting to note that the braintrust of Team USA is on the Leafs, and our best player is also American.
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by T is for Truculence on Jan 17, 2012 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
I hope they show Linstrom getting plugged into the wall after every game to recharge him…
by WizardofNaz on Jan 17, 2012 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
I also hope they show Lidstrom getting plugged into the wall after every game to recharge him…
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 17, 2012 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
I hope you chock on your lunch today…
but only in an inconvenient way I don’t actually want you to die… yet
by WizardofNaz on Jan 17, 2012 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
You’re making this (most likely, on purpose) too easy.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 17, 2012 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
Chock another one up for the grammar nazis ;)
Or rather, chalk one up
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Pre-universe: .901
Post-universe: .863
(just so we’re using something better than GAA/W) – he has been playing worse, but considering his “lost in the woods” comment was pre-universe, I can’t imagine his confidence is much lower than it was following that performance.
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by Bower Power on Jan 17, 2012 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
Just ran the numbers,
pre lost in the woods: 3.15gaa, .884%
post lost in the woods: 3.04gaa, .892%
so actually the opposite, but no real change
by Ben Schnell on Jan 17, 2012 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
Though, and I dont know if this means anything
If we look between the lost in the woods comment and the universe speech, he had:
2.53GAA & .910%
and then, the period after is 3.96GAA & .863
by Ben Schnell on Jan 17, 2012 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe if the Leafs have known maniacs. Bryzgalov’s been crazy for a long time.
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Uh, there aren’t going to be any… pineapples… on set are there?
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by Back In Black on Jan 17, 2012 1:01 PM EST up reply actions
LOL
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record scratch I assume he is injured? RT @DaveLozo: Trotz officially rules out Ryan Suter for tonight’s game vs. the Rangers.
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Schenn, Kadri, and Suter all scratched on the same night
Let the rampant speculation begin
by Chi-town leafs on Jan 17, 2012 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
Yea I don’t see it happening but Suter-Phaneuf would be a pretty fucking Godly pairing.
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would turn our top pairing into potentially the best in the league..
Only Seabrook-Keith really compares
(Right now its easily Suter-Weber imo)
by WizardofNaz on Jan 17, 2012 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
On the ice, it would be like he never left Nashville. Tonnes of ice time in all situations. Off the ice he would have undying love coverage, hordes of fans, ect. Would he want that?
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"He drives that new car around town and feels really good about it." - Ron Wilson
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Suter is injured
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
by Semi_Colon on Jan 17, 2012 12:08 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Yea I firgured but this is much more fun.
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Everything means something.
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by TheBurnward on Jan 17, 2012 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
wut
“@RealKyper_: #Leafs and #SJSharks are seriously talking big trade involving Clowe.
Kulemin so hot right now, Kulemin.
by PassivelyTruculent on Jan 17, 2012 12:01 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
that was posted yesterday. An excellent laugh was had by all.
by Goosemonster on Jan 17, 2012 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
rec’d for being fooled by fake kyper
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I hope YouTube comes down to film this.
by birky on Jan 16, 2012 10:39 PM EST
As a Toronto sports fan I proudly follow the lessons of lachrymology.
"He drives that new car around town and feels really good about it." - Ron Wilson
"Vancouver, BC: A massive inferiority complex with a city." - TheOtherAndrew
"HOPE is more than a postponed disappointment" - Epica
lol nvm he’s a fake
Kulemin so hot right now, Kulemin.
by PassivelyTruculent on Jan 17, 2012 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
He did spell seriously right…
"You said you didn't give a f#%k about hockey. And I never saw someone say that before..."
"Storm coming? Hatchet coming!"
by TheBurnward on Jan 17, 2012 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
That was the first clue…
This space for rant...
by fair_n_hite_451 on Jan 17, 2012 2:15 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That’s a serious rec’n.
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by GreatKingRat on Jan 17, 2012 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe Komisarek is on the move.
Isn’t actual pay less than his cap hit some time soon?
"I will actually score as many times as Kulemin assists me."
-Mikhail Grabovski
next year he makes 3.5 million, so yeah pay is lower. Cap floor team might take him, but I doubt it. We can hope.
by Goosemonster on Jan 17, 2012 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
It always sounds so logical, but the cap floor teams never seem to do things like that.
I've been looking at the sky
by Back In Black on Jan 17, 2012 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
Because they would rather pay a guy like Komi 1 million and either overpay for actual talent or just sign vets/prospects with bonuses they’re unlikely to meet.
About time that people finally realized how awesome Gunnar is...
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doesn’t he have a NMC or is that not applicable?
by GettinGiggy on Jan 17, 2012 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
partial NMC I believe. No Minors and can block trades to like 10 teams or something
by WizardofNaz on Jan 17, 2012 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
Spitballing is all…Looking for a link to the post that outlined this
"I will actually score as many times as Kulemin assists me."
-Mikhail Grabovski
by MapleLeafMole on Jan 17, 2012 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
I have the feeling other GMs have caught on to Burke and aren’t giving him the blockbuster trades he was able to weasel out in the past.
Being a Leafs fan makes me bipolar.
Just a feeling?
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by Bower Power on Jan 17, 2012 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
Eh, I’m sure Bob Murray still likes Burke :)
by GettinGiggy on Jan 17, 2012 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
Uhhhh Ryan Suter scratched.
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Apparently he got hurt last night.
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by Semi_Colon on Jan 17, 2012 12:27 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
better than a UTI
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 17, 2012 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
Was a game time decision against the Isles yesterday, re-aggravated the injury and did not play in the third period. Not clear that he’s a healthy scratch.
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by Bower Power on Jan 17, 2012 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
LIKE ITS SAID ABOVE KADRI SCHENN AND SUTER ALL POSSIBLE SCRATCHES ON THE SAME NIGHT!!
by WizardofNaz on Jan 17, 2012 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
THIS JUST IN: ALL 30 TEAMS AGREE TO A GAME OF MUSICAL TRADING CHAIRS. SCRATCHES ROTATE TO THE TEAM BELOW THEM IN THE STANDINGS
Being a Leafs fan makes me bipolar.
Schenn and Kadri for Suter would be sweeeeet
I will just say that I feel much safer trading with the Western conference. You know that a trade with Philly is going to bite us in the ass a couple years down the line
by PhilSpecter on Jan 17, 2012 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
Schenn and Kadri healthy scratches tonight
Wow that headline really screams out at you but I don’t think it really means anything.
by scott tubbesing on Jan 17, 2012 12:30 PM EST reply actions
There’s been some debate whether or not Schenn is the scratch tonight, but he was out late, apparently. Wilson insists that defense is a game time decision.
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by Bower Power on Jan 17, 2012 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
if its game time decision someone might be nursing small injury…
by WizardofNaz on Jan 17, 2012 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
So who wants to hang out and eat gummi bears
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I hope YouTube comes down to film this.
Those damn NMC’s!
Kulemin so hot right now, Kulemin.
by PassivelyTruculent on Jan 17, 2012 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
re: Holzer
As Chemmy pointed out on Twitter, Freidman said in his 30 thoughts that Holzer is getting quite a few looks from teams, including Anaheim. Say he’s a good and ready defensive defenseman. Why the hell isn’t he in the lineup?
Further, trade Holzer for Beauchemin?
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Apparently he’s an RD and the Leafs think he’s worse than Komisarek.
That would seem to be at odds with “ready for the NHL” but who knows?
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this org also has a short history of keeping up relatively useless players instead of those pushing to get up the ranks (other than young prospects) eg. Dupuis, Komi in past years when he was terrible.
by Goosemonster on Jan 17, 2012 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
Was
Your use of the past tense is fascinating…
I've been looking at the sky
by Back In Black on Jan 17, 2012 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
“ready for a consistent shot at the NHL” is a little different than “ready for the NHL”. He’s a prospect, even if he’s one with value, and quite frankly, we have enough right defensemen making “young players’ mistakes” in Komisarek, Schenn, and Franson, let alone trying to shove another third pairing D-man in there.
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by Bower Power on Jan 17, 2012 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
“Worse than Komisarek” in that Burke can’t waive him due to his NMC.
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another reason to really just about never give out an NMC. or NTC.
by Goosemonster on Jan 17, 2012 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
Abandon hope all ye who Lebda.
At least it's not Lebda.
by Nifty Mittens on Jan 17, 2012 2:26 PM EST up reply actions
he isnt in the lineup because the Leafs have too many RD is an argument that seems to make sense. Also, apparently Aulie and Komi are higher than him.
by Goosemonster on Jan 17, 2012 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
“ready for a NHL shot” does not equal “ready to contribute to a NHL playoff run”
by WizardofNaz on Jan 17, 2012 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
I’d wager a no, given our circulating press box talent, but what do I know.
by Goosemonster on Jan 17, 2012 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
Yes… yes he could
we really have no idea if he’s an upgrade on any of the dmen we currently have on our roster.
by WizardofNaz on Jan 17, 2012 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
The team already gets outshot by an average of 3 a night. Not sure Holzer would widen that gap.
The First Certified Grabbo Lover
Maybe not, but he could help increase the number of quality shots given up…
by WizardofNaz on Jan 17, 2012 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
Nasal Spray!
I’m sorry what were we discussing?
by Goosemonster on Jan 17, 2012 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
Does anybody know the real availability of Suter? He’s probably an untouchable with Nashville despite his impending UFA status?
Poile isn’t an idiot. If he doesn’t think he can re-sign Suter, he’ll trade him for a boat load of gold.
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Bump it.
"You said you didn't give a f#%k about hockey. And I never saw someone say that before..."
"Storm coming? Hatchet coming!"
by TheBurnward on Jan 17, 2012 1:02 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
title
Being a Leafs fan makes me bipolar.
by BlindSight on Jan 17, 2012 12:41 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
BORKENN AND BORKRI BORKED ON THE SAME BORK!!1
by Tickle Me Aulie on Jan 17, 2012 12:54 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
scratched for one game…not that big a deal.
If he gets scratched again, then i think it’s a mistake.
Who wants to hear a funny ass joke?
by ohshrit on Jan 17, 2012 1:04 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
missed the reply button once…not that big a deal.
If you miss the reply button again, then I think there’s a mistake.
by Ben Schnell on Jan 17, 2012 1:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Fool me once, shame on you
Fool me twice, shame on….shame on….well the point is you cant fool me again!
Being a Leafs fan makes me bipolar.
he didn’t miss the reply button
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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Old man ohshirt is getting upset again, eh?
by Tickle Me Aulie on Jan 17, 2012 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
yup. only because all you young whippersnappers are douche-canoes nowadays.
In my day you had to respect the elders otherwise old queen mabel would swing the banhammer.
Who wants to hear a funny ass joke?
Those were the days. If you were really bad, you got sent to the gulag with Jared
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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it’s all our hippin and our hoppin and our bippin and our boppin.
We just don’t know what the jazz is all about.
by Goosemonster on Jan 17, 2012 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
Someone went and pissed off Bob.
TSNBobMcKenzie Bob McKenzie
OK, #LeafNation, enuf already. Kadri and Schenn aren’t being scratched because of impending trade. In fact, I don’t think Schenn is sitting.
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Wow even big Bobby Mac had to step into the fray.
by Goosemonster on Jan 17, 2012 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
HE’S GETTING TRADED!
Kulemin so hot right now, Kulemin.
by PassivelyTruculent on Jan 17, 2012 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
KOMISAREK + 1ST + 2ND FOR BOBBY RYAN
by Tickle Me Aulie on Jan 17, 2012 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
we better get a 5th back or that’s a total rip off for us
by Goosemonster on Jan 17, 2012 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
If its conditional, I want to be a 4th. In exchange we could offer a conditional 7th round pick
by Goosemonster on Jan 17, 2012 1:52 PM EST up reply actions
Bobby mac
Kadri decision appears elementary. Couple of so-so games for him, Bozak is back, Rosehill’s toughness desired vs. Neil-Smith-Konopka-Carkner
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hahahahaha, Neal fighting Rosehill, good one
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 17, 2012 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
Assistant coach #1: Hey Ron, Ottawa is dressing their line of sluggish pluggers who can’t play a lick of good hockey. Kadri is going to dance around those guys.
Wilson: Kadri, oh no no. He’s too creativity and undisciplined and rabble rabble. I’m having Rosehill suit up instead.
AC1: Rosehill? But he’s just a plugger. You’re essentially racing dump trucks against other dump trucks while your Corvette sits in the parking lot.
Wilson: VROOM CRASH BANG!
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by SkinnyFish on Jan 17, 2012 1:32 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I thought Steve made a good point on Twitter this morning.
Ottawa’s on the second half of a back-to-back. This might be a tactical thing to put real pressure on a tired Ottawa team. Forecheck the shit out of them for a couple of periods and then watch them wilt.
Cynically Sarcastic
Сертыфікаваны Grabbo Палюбоўнік
This is how you play with trucks
At least it's not Lebda.
by Nifty Mittens on Jan 17, 2012 2:31 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The other issue is. As much as I love the guy are we really sitting Kadri so V.v.V can stay in the lineup?
No, we’re just sitting Kadri. Crabb could easily be on the 4th line over Rosehill.
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I think what he’s saying is accepting Wilson wants to play Rosehill, why not keep Kadri in and sit Crabb?
by Chi-town leafs on Jan 17, 2012 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
PollakOnSharks David Pollak
Not to stoke those rumors that were out there yesterday, but Clowe not skating this morning at #sjsharks practice. Obviously will ask later.
Commence further rumours!!!
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Not to be a racist but…
Not to do the exact opposite of what I’m pretending I don’t want to do by saying “not to” but…
by stevesmith19 on Jan 17, 2012 1:50 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Not to rec this….
I shot a moose once, in upstate New York.
by not norm ullman on Jan 17, 2012 2:30 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
I’d do it, if only it was a cap dump, or swap of like Komi for him. I would not want to give up anything young or good for him.
He’ll be your second favourite player within a week.
"You said you didn't give a f#%k about hockey. And I never saw someone say that before..."
"Storm coming? Hatchet coming!"
Doubt it… no way he passes Kessel
Dion is still my #1 love. Kessel 2. Then I skip 3 just to give those 2 a wide berth of how much I love them… 4 is Lups now 5 is Reimer 6 is Grabs 7 is Bozak
An Atlantic-Canadian version of Kulemin who will drop the mitts…hells yeah.
"You said you didn't give a f#%k about hockey. And I never saw someone say that before..."
"Storm coming? Hatchet coming!"
Oh sure if its a salary dump or something but if they want a Kadri/Schenn/any decent prospect they can go climb up a tree.
by Goosemonster on Jan 17, 2012 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
unfortunately youtube is blocked here. I’ll assume it’s a screaming man/woman.
by Goosemonster on Jan 17, 2012 1:52 PM EST up reply actions
I would trade Komisarek for CLowe. Thats about it
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Why all the Clowe hate? Maybe I’m biased because I live in the Bay Area, but have been following Clowe for a little while and he’s a solid power forward and a proven playoff performer, not to mention a fan favourite. Is it because he’s a Newf?
No one ever suspects the butterfly...
guy is 29 years old. Future with this team? Not particularly.
by Goosemonster on Jan 17, 2012 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
Seriously? He could play for seven more years!!
"You said you didn't give a f#%k about hockey. And I never saw someone say that before..."
"Storm coming? Hatchet coming!"
he could, and Kaberle could play a bunch of seasons in the NHL. Doesn’t mean he needs to do it on our team. All I’m saying is if they want youth or a good asset in return, no can do.
by Goosemonster on Jan 17, 2012 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
as a high energy PF with no real secondary skills? Doubt it. Dude has built his career around being physical. When his physical skills start to decline he doesn’t have the hockey skills to compensate.
The guy has skills and is a smart hockey player as well.
"You said you didn't give a f#%k about hockey. And I never saw someone say that before..."
"Storm coming? Hatchet coming!"
He doesn’t have NHL top 6 forward skills. To me he has average skills, that are upgraded to decent because of his physicality.
So he’s not exactly NHL top 6 forward skills but if he plays 3rd line and puts up 50+ pts like he has the past 3 yrs and on his 4th consecutive … how is that bad again?
"There's been four different Cup winners the last four years, and I got one of them (Anaheim) and it was a fighting team. We're playing it that way regardless." - B. Burke, Toronto Maple Leafs GM
50 points isn’t just a top-6 forward, its borderline top-3.
Of course i doubt Clowe would score fifty playing third line minutes.
As long as 70 minutes of ice time is being doled out to AHLers and Matt Ellis, the Sabres are basically doomed
Its because he’s older, as a PF will start to break down soon and will cost too much of our future most likely for someone who doesn’t fit in with the future
I guess we’re not making a run any time soon (right??), so it doesn’t make sense… but I do thing the Leafs have a serious lack of Ryan Clowe / PF-type player. The closest we have is, what, Kulemin?
No one ever suspects the butterfly...
and if you find us one around 21-26 years old, that’s a different story.
by Goosemonster on Jan 17, 2012 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
29 years old, on pace for 17 goals this year, while playing with Marleau and Havlat and getting about 18 minutes a night. For 3.6M? It’d better be either Komi going out, or something else coming back with him.
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As I said yesterday, unless Kulemin goes the other way (and that would be abysmally stupid) Clowe would be likely playing on the third line. At this point, Kessel and Lupul aren’t going to get split up (and shouldn’t), Kulemin and Clowe are too similar to play together on the 2nd line, IMO. So that leaves him with 3rd line.
by Chi-town leafs on Jan 17, 2012 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
Clowe would be sixth among forwards with the Leafs in points per game and older than most of them.
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You could roll four lines that could match up with anyone in the East.
"You said you didn't give a f#%k about hockey. And I never saw someone say that before..."
"Storm coming? Hatchet coming!"
Except I’m generally opposed to paying a 3rd liner 3.6 million…
by Chi-town leafs on Jan 17, 2012 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
people are opposed to us having a 3 million guy on the 3rd line, so you’d think they’d be opposed to a 3.6 million guy…
by Goosemonster on Jan 17, 2012 2:05 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly.
"You said you didn't give a f#%k about hockey. And I never saw someone say that before..."
"Storm coming? Hatchet coming!"
Adding Ryan Clowe doesn’t take the Leafs from “bubble team getting their dicks knocked in against Boston” to “deepest in the East”.
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Fully healthy…you wouldn’t be that far behind.
"You said you didn't give a f#%k about hockey. And I never saw someone say that before..."
"Storm coming? Hatchet coming!"
On paper if everyone signed to a contract in the NHL had a magic wand waved over them healing every single injury. There is no team that could match the Bruins depth.
Chicago’s got to be pretty close. They roll three pretty good lines.
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by Draglikepull on Jan 17, 2012 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
they were looking for a 2nd line C, I dont know what htey would possible give up but if we dont have a contract with Grabbo by the trade deadline that could be possible, if its not just picks (which we dont want).
by Goosemonster on Jan 17, 2012 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I’ve been pushing “Grabbo to Chicago” for a while. But I think that’s more because they like Sharp on the wing than due to any real lack of depth.
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by Draglikepull on Jan 17, 2012 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
Seems like a good fit for a contending team, and they have the cap space. The thing is, they’d need to part with some good stuff for him.
by Goosemonster on Jan 17, 2012 2:23 PM EST up reply actions
Their 1st this year will be a late one and they had two 1sts last year, so it’s not like they’ve been trading tons of them away. Throw in a decent prospect. Gives Toronto a decent return and doesn’t hurt Chicago much long-term.
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by Draglikepull on Jan 17, 2012 2:26 PM EST up reply actions
sounds roughly right. Especially considering it will be a low first.
by Goosemonster on Jan 17, 2012 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
You’re out of your mind.
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The Leafs are lacking in top end talent. We are very far from being “X depth pieces away” from being able to go toe-to-toe with Cup contenders.
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You guys have two of the top 10 scorers in the game right now.
"You said you didn't give a f#%k about hockey. And I never saw someone say that before..."
"Storm coming? Hatchet coming!"
That’s pretty high end.
"You said you didn't give a f#%k about hockey. And I never saw someone say that before..."
"Storm coming? Hatchet coming!"
Not really the point.
"You said you didn't give a f#%k about hockey. And I never saw someone say that before..."
"Storm coming? Hatchet coming!"
I thought you said we had enough high end talent to compete.. as 2 top 10 scorers are pretty high end. Yet many teams have shown that’s not enough.
Does anyone here seriously think Joffrey Lupul is top end talent?
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he’s playing like it, and in the grand scheme of things isnt he in the top 60 of PPG over the past decade?
by Goosemonster on Jan 17, 2012 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
Saw him play a lot of junior…and dude was always one of the slickest on the ice. Those skills don’t go away, and now that he’s healthy and accustomed to the NHL game, I think we’re seeing what he is capable of.
"You said you didn't give a f#%k about hockey. And I never saw someone say that before..."
"Storm coming? Hatchet coming!"
He’s producing as one right now. Long-term, no.
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I hope YouTube comes down to film this.
Not sure if that’s a fair assessment. He’s just now really getting a shot.
"You said you didn't give a f#%k about hockey. And I never saw someone say that before..."
"Storm coming? Hatchet coming!"
Not sure you’d say the same thing about him if he played elsewhere.
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But he doesn’t…and he’s getting the job done very well for you.
"You said you didn't give a f#%k about hockey. And I never saw someone say that before..."
"Storm coming? Hatchet coming!"
He’s been the beneficiary of intense puck luck. I wouldn’t bank on him keeping up this pace all season.
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I think he’s a Chris Kunitz kind of player – good complementary first liner who I wouldn’t count on to carry the load offensively.
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by Draglikepull on Jan 17, 2012 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
Check out his junior numbers. I’m telling you, dude is good.
"You said you didn't give a f#%k about hockey. And I never saw someone say that before..."
"Storm coming? Hatchet coming!"
In his NHL career thus far he’s been a 25 goal, 50 point guy. That’s pretty good, but I find it hard to believe he’s suddenly become one of the best wingers in the world out of nowhere at his age.
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by Draglikepull on Jan 17, 2012 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
I agree with the Kunitz comp. I think this will be his best season but a 25-60 career av wouldn’t be that far fetched. Decent 1st liner but not an Allstar
Guys, with all due respect. If you don’t think Lupul has more offensive skills than Kunitz, you’re crazy.
"You said you didn't give a f#%k about hockey. And I never saw someone say that before..."
"Storm coming? Hatchet coming!"
A perfect example of saying “with all due respect…” when you intend to launch into the exact opposite, and show no respect whatsoever.
A+
This space for rant...
by fair_n_hite_451 on Jan 17, 2012 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
I thought I’d build on JR’s earlier thoughts…
"You said you didn't give a f#%k about hockey. And I never saw someone say that before..."
"Storm coming? Hatchet coming!"
With all due respect……
I shot a moose once, in upstate New York.
by not norm ullman on Jan 17, 2012 2:35 PM EST up reply actions
Leafs need defense. Deeeeeefeeeennnsssssseeeee.
And goaltending.
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I agree. Sounds like Burke doesn’t.
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by Draglikepull on Jan 17, 2012 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
We’re like 6th in shots against per game and probably pretty close to dead last in goaltending again.
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we can’t be worse in net than TBL, can we?
by Goosemonster on Jan 17, 2012 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
I see you removed ENGA from your equation
But not sure how to do that using nhl.com (is that recorded somewhere)?
Anyway, if they are included the leafs would be 23rd (just using SA/G divided by GA/G) with .901, ahead of
ANAHEIM
PHILADELPHIA
CAROLINA
NEW JERSEY
NY ISLANDERS
COLUMBUS
TAMPA BAY
Look at the situation around the league. What’s the one thing everyone seems to want (according to the usual rumor guys)? Defense. You’re trying to outbid 15-20 other teams for a small group of guys. But in the summer I think there are more guys available and less teams fighting over them.
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Burke seems more interested in chasing defense in the summer.
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Top two lines? I’d say if the Leafs ran Lupul-Connolly-Kessel and Clowe-Grabovski-Kulemin they’d be able to match-up with almost any top-6 group in the league. But a Lombardi-Bozak-Armstrong 3rd line is where the goal drop off really starts.
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Bozak is a black hole without Kessel. He’s either good enough to center Kessel and Lupul or he should be in the AHL.
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What about MacArthur? Are you assuming he goes the other way?
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by T is for Truculence on Jan 17, 2012 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
MacArthur is always removed from any lineup projection that birky makes.
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that’s at least three things now. I’m running out of fingers to count on here.
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Lupul-Bozak-Kessel
MGK
Kadri-Connolly-Clowe
Brown-Steckel-Army
That is assuming Lombo goes the other way.
not the Clowe part, but getting rid of Lombardi’s salary.
by Goosemonster on Jan 17, 2012 2:23 PM EST up reply actions
hmm MacArthur is gone?
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by MapleLeafMole on Jan 17, 2012 2:58 PM EST up reply actions
It might be “Slightly deeper team getting their dicks knocked in against Boston”…
by Goosemonster on Jan 17, 2012 2:10 PM EST up reply actions
And his current TOI would put him fourth among forwards. Plays against middling competition. 56.7% O-Zone start with a 48.3% finish. Oh yeah, here’s the missing piece.
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except the way the team is built the 2nd and 3rd lines would be kind of interchangeable as a line of Kadri-Connolly-Clowe would be a good secondary scoring line. In fact they’d get the easier matchups with Grabo-Kuli getting the tougher matchup
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but that is this year. Moving forward he doesn’t make sense if we gave up something good for him. That is the issue
I dunno, I think pretty highly of him though.
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I always though Clowe was a beast and especially in the playoffs. If he were 3-4 years younger, yes I’d be clamoring for him. Now, not so much.
pretty much, if he was 25/26, I’d want him as well.
by Goosemonster on Jan 17, 2012 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
I just have a hard time considering someone at 29 “too old.” How many players spend four or five years with a team these days, anyways? He’s got enough good hockey left in the tank to contribute for that long, probably.
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by not norm ullman on Jan 17, 2012 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
born in 1952
And I’m staying right here…
by ChrisFromParadise on Jan 17, 2012 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
the decline of players over 30 is a huge proven fact, especially those who play an overly physical game. a 50 pt player in his late 20’s as a very physical player will not be a 50 pt player in his 30’s
Blanket statement arguments do not compute.
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Why not? “Based on similar players, Clowe should see a decline in his [already low] production.” If you’d like to suggest Clowe is or can be an exception, I’m interested in hearing how.
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I’m going to bow out because I’m lazy. I just don’t think dude is anywhere near washed up.
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I don’t think he’s washed up either. I just don’t think he’ll contribute long enough (or contribute enough) to make him the kind of player that the Leafs should be looking to acquire.
It seems to me like these “veteran presence” guys are available at every deadline. Let’s keep spending assets to build the core. I want our Lupul replacement. Our Connolly replacement. Our Beauchemin replacement. These are pieces we’re missing – not all of whom do I expect to be picked up this deadline, but I don’t see why we should be spending valuable assets anywhere else, unless it’s a deal that blows us out of the water.
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Do you consider an average of 57 pts. a season over the last three years to be [already low] production?
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by GreatKingRat on Jan 17, 2012 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
I’d consider .62 PPG against middling competition with Marleau and Havlat as your linemates to be “low” production.
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Although, as I pull up Havlat’s stat line, wow has he had some bad luck this season.
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NHL Average retirement age: 28
Discuss.
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As long as 70 minutes of ice time is being doled out to AHLers and Matt Ellis, the Sabres are basically doomed
Huge sample size
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by MapleLeafMole on Jan 17, 2012 3:01 PM EST up reply actions
It’s not too old in general, but likely too old for his style of play. Look at Tucker: once his physical grinding game started to taper off (and he started getting covered on the PP) his value to the team plummeted quickly. The same is likely true for Clowe.
Except…Clowe is built out of Newfoundland rock.
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Like I said I wouldn’t be opposed to it. Actually I’d be very much for it if we were sending back someone like Komisarek or Lombardi. But if it’ll cost a young asset who still has room to develop, no thanks. I’ll save my chips and go all in on a power forward who matches up more closely with the rest of our core in terms of age.
Reunite MGK? I like that idea… Although I haven’t liked CMAC’s game lately. Especially on the PP.
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yeah let’s trade our 26 year old 50 point player for their 29 year old 50 point player.
by Goosemonster on Jan 17, 2012 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
I dunno… is MacArthur a 50-point player? He’s had 1 50+ point season (last), and he’s not on pace to repeat this year (needs checking). Clowe has been far more consistent.
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He had a 60 point season last year. he’s on pace for about 50 now, and the evidence I’ve seen suggests he had limited playing time elsewhere and that kept his stats down.
by Goosemonster on Jan 17, 2012 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
MacArthur’s goals per game is higher this year than last year. The big difference in his points seems to be the lack of production from Kulemin and Grabovski.
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Yeah, Grabbo’s playing at a really high level right now and he’s not far off his pace from last season.
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by Draglikepull on Jan 17, 2012 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
Meanwhile Nikolai Kulemin…
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Upside is Burke can re-sign Kulie for really cheap this off-season and when he bounces back next year he’ll be a bargain again.
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by Draglikepull on Jan 17, 2012 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
But you can also argue that his assist were overly inflated by Kuli having a crazy year. And that he’s a 20-20 player not a 20-40 player.
maybe but Kulemin’s play has dropped off tremendously. He’s basically a third liner now.
by Goosemonster on Jan 17, 2012 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
And that might be indicative of his true talent level. Before last year he performed at 3rd line level, with flashes of brilliance. And this year he’s back again. Maybe last year was the aberration.
It’s very very possible. But I think he is better than he’s playing now.
by Goosemonster on Jan 17, 2012 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t know about “at best”. “On average” yes. He was playing 3rd line minutes on Anaheim the year we got him, and he has never gotten top 3 minutes, IIRC.
by Goosemonster on Jan 17, 2012 2:37 PM EST up reply actions
he’s not on pace to repeat this year (needs checking)
Checked. MacArthur is on pace for 46.7 points… in over 3 minutes ATOI less. Clowe is on pace for 50.84. That’s 4.14 points’ difference over the course of a season with less productive linemates and considerably less ice time. Oh, and you’re getting older and more expensive, too.
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I think the Leafs could use a player like Clowe though.
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sure, its just tough to get good young-ish power forwards.
by Goosemonster on Jan 17, 2012 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
There’s obviously a lot to be said for having speed and skill in your top six. That said, the Leafs really don’t have a guy who can bang bodies in their group right now. In term of physical play, Clowe is at a higher level than Kulemin.
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If he plays all of the remaining 38 games at his current pace (21/37 for .577) he’ll end up with 43 pts.
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24 goal pace, though. I think the drop-off in his quality of linemates is primarily what’s hurt his production this season.
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by Draglikepull on Jan 17, 2012 2:16 PM EST up reply actions
MGK is getting reunited for this game IIRC.
Reunited, double LP, world excited
struck a match to the underground
the industry ignited.
by Goosemonster on Jan 17, 2012 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
hopefully
something triggers Macarthur to puke before the game.
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by MapleLeafMole on Jan 17, 2012 3:04 PM EST up reply actions
He’s a big winger who puts up 50-60 points, is under contract for one more year, and has typically been strong from a puck possession standpoint. I wouldn’t be against acquiring him as long as we didn’t have to give up someone like Colborne to make it happen.
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by Draglikepull on Jan 17, 2012 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
Burke thinks the Leafs are close (apparently). I really wouldn’t rule out them acquiring a veteran player if he fits their desired skill set
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He’s never suggested we’re “close” to anything but making the playoffs. He has said he will add to teh team so we don’t just make a quick one round appearance, as he would consider that failure as well.
by Goosemonster on Jan 17, 2012 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
He’s said he think the team is one impact player away from a big playoff run. I doubt anyone would call Clowe an impact player, though.
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by Draglikepull on Jan 17, 2012 2:05 PM EST up reply actions
Incidentally, I’ve had non-Leafs fans (non-hater category) tell me the same thing… that we’re not that far. Not sure I buy into that… I’ve got a sinking feeling now. But it could be the two-game losing streak. A week ago, I had them pencilled in as possibly finishing fourth!
now’s the time to go on a tear. Actually, Friday was the day but we only got the call on Sunday.
by Goosemonster on Jan 17, 2012 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
I think we need to show a lot more consistency on the defensive side before we start getting excited about them being a true contender.
oh not a contender for the cup, but for the playoffs? hell yes. We need to go on a tear to start to separate us from the chaff, because our schedule is pretty easy for this month.
by Goosemonster on Jan 17, 2012 3:00 PM EST up reply actions
Burke said on 590 interview fri. I would not bet against this team in the playoffs ,But if a deal makes the team better I will make a trade.
Burke is normally a trading genius, however, so I will give him the benefit of a doubt that he doesn’t part with core assets/prospects for some 29 year old 60 point PF.
by Goosemonster on Jan 17, 2012 2:09 PM EST up reply actions
Welp, 38 games to actually make the dance.
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and boy do we have to make this dance. It’s like senior year and we’ve been rejected by every date we’ve tried to get, mostly for being very mediocre.
by Goosemonster on Jan 17, 2012 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
Clowe is a decent player. However the Leafs would have to subtract something from the lineup to add him. That makes him a marginal upgrade at best, who is older than the Leafs window and expensive.
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Silly season is officially here.
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Via rotoworld
Ryane Clowe will miss tonight’s game against visiting Calgary due to a facial injury.
Clowe was injured Jan. 10 against Minnesota when he went face first into the boards. He went to a full cage while playing the past three games, but coach Todd McLellan says the 29-year-old forward’s absence tonight is related to that injury. Clowe had played all 42 games and is 9-17-26.
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i know i'm jumping to conclusions
and it kinda hurts actually to think, but for Burke to actually name-drop Schenn to the media you have to think he more than likely asked for a trade :(
i don’t know where I’m going with this. don’t mind me, i’m emotional today.
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Burke specifically told Schenn he wasn’t shopping him. He also said he was listening, because let’s be honest that’s what smart GMs do. That doesn’t mean he’ll do anything, in fact it suggests its unlikely unless something comes by that he can’t pass up.
by Goosemonster on Jan 17, 2012 2:16 PM EST up reply actions
Friedman says Schenn loves playing in Toronto, and I’m inclined to agree with him. If Burke had an ulterior motive (and I’m not sure that he did) it may have been to drum up interest in Schenn. He’s used the media in that way before.
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by Draglikepull on Jan 17, 2012 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
Yeeeeahhhh. Im going to need those t.p.s reports.
At least it's not Lebda.
by Nifty Mittens on Jan 17, 2012 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
Did you get the memo about the new covers for the TPS reports?
by Goosemonster on Jan 17, 2012 2:41 PM EST up reply actions
Also….my stapler!
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Oh dear...
The dreaded loose/lose strikes again. That always bugs me and makes an otherwise funny pic degrade to meh. :/
possibly on purpose?
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 17, 2012 3:17 PM EST up reply actions
Saw an interesting idea yesterday: when we’re analysing a player (especially a forward) for defensive skill, we should look at his PIM – between two otherwise similar players, the guy who has less PIM is probably more defensively responsible. This is definitely part of why I say Kulemin is so good defensively – he plays a hard, physical game, causes lots of turnovers, but very rarely takes a minor penalty. Thoughts?
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I like it as an indicator for sure. I addition to other numbers such as Corsi and the like.
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by MapleLeafMole on Jan 17, 2012 3:06 PM EST up reply actions
Just noticed yesterday that he only has 3 minor penalties all season! 3!
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 17, 2012 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
Strangely, he also draws virtually no penalties. BTN has him at 0.3 penalties taken per 60 and the exact same for penalties drawn.
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by Draglikepull on Jan 17, 2012 4:00 PM EST up reply actions
This is why he needs to spend sometime with Darcy Tucker. He’s just too nice.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 17, 2012 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
HAAAAARUKKKKENNN
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 17, 2012 4:16 PM EST up reply actions
I was going to go with FAAALLLCOOONN PUNCH!!
but acceptable
by Chi-town leafs on Jan 17, 2012 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
BWAH?
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 17, 2012 4:17 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
That picture just begs to be caricatured.
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by CanadianMaple09 on Jan 17, 2012 4:22 PM EST up reply actions
you want to give me a million dollars to do NOTHING?
by Goosemonster on Jan 17, 2012 4:23 PM EST up reply actions
Bat shit insane
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by MapleLeafMole on Jan 17, 2012 4:21 PM EST up reply actions
I wonder if it’s because he’s so strong on his skates. It’s hard to obstruct him in a way that would be visibly obvious to a Ref.
Kinda like how Army is wobbly and falls easily and draws plenty of penalties.
It’s hairbrained and unproven, but whatever
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by MapleLeafMole on Jan 17, 2012 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
BREAKING
NAZEM KADRI HAS BEEN sitting on his couch playing NFL11 all day.
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OH MY GOD WE’RE TRADING HIM TO DENVER FOR TEBOW
by Goosemonster on Jan 17, 2012 2:35 PM EST up reply actions
That would be a terrible trade because there’s no fourth quarter for him to actually play well in. (j/k)
As long as 70 minutes of ice time is being doled out to AHLers and Matt Ellis, the Sabres are basically doomed
i wonder how many people tweeted “where’s your messiah now Tebow” that night.
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He’d probably be a terrible PP QB too.
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by Self Destructive Zones on Jan 17, 2012 2:40 PM EST up reply actions
Burke’s Irish. Probably Catholic. Would trade for Brady, not Tebow.
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by Draglikepull on Jan 17, 2012 2:52 PM EST up reply actions
Like we were discussing yesterday…. Does anybody here…. BESIDES VRN.… have a penile implant?
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I’lll take the Fen-Wick.
You can keep the Coars-I
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by not norm ullman on Jan 17, 2012 3:12 PM EST up reply actions
No, but if anyone needs one...
I’ll be their organ donor.
by stevesmith19 on Jan 17, 2012 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
Dude P.I. (Penile Implant)
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by not norm ullman on Jan 17, 2012 3:12 PM EST up reply actions
Bork is the new Bork
At least it's not Lebda.
by Nifty Mittens on Jan 17, 2012 2:52 PM EST up reply actions
is this like jeopardy?
What is “This shit is”
by Chi-town leafs on Jan 17, 2012 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
you should drink half a bottle of nyquil like i did, muddies up the brain a good bit
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 17, 2012 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
Apparently there’s a “Real Sports” app on the Xbox 360 today.
http://majornelson.com/2012/01/17/new-apps-now-available-for-xbox-live-members/
Canadians: any thoughts?
ps. We speed bagged Major Nelson and his gaming buddies at BF3 last night.
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I think this “Real Sports” thing is basically bringing Leafs TV to the 360. Not that interesting unless you don’t have TV or a computer.
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by Draglikepull on Jan 17, 2012 2:53 PM EST up reply actions
I for one, don’t hook my computer up to my TV, I am very interested in this App.
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But if you already have a TV in your living room, why don’t you just sign up for Leafs TV?
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by Draglikepull on Jan 17, 2012 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
the cable i bought is 4 feet too short, now i need to go get another
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 17, 2012 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
PPP Caricature Series
Do we have a cast member from Super Troopers in our midst?
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by CanadianMaple09 on Jan 17, 2012 2:55 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Titties... er, title
That would be an awesome username for someone on this site, especially if they looked like that!
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by CanadianMaple09 on Jan 17, 2012 2:59 PM EST up reply actions
(.)(.)
Kulemin so hot right now, Kulemin.
by PassivelyTruculent on Jan 17, 2012 2:58 PM EST up reply actions
Birky
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Shepard
Kulemin so hot right now, Kulemin.
by PassivelyTruculent on Jan 17, 2012 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
VRN
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mine was last game…
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 17, 2012 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
in the post he said 3 words.
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Jared?
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 17, 2012 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
Has already appeared this year.
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by CanadianMaple09 on Jan 17, 2012 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
I dunno, you should ask Jared
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 17, 2012 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
SILLY SEASON
I’m also told no deal for #Leafs today.. but that something could be in the works between them and the #Ducks involving Bobby Ryan
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The general consensus seemed to be that B. Ryan is the one player we would be ok with breaking the bank to acquire out of all the names that have floated around (excluding Suter due to UFA). Is that still the consensus?
It may be the consensus but I dont agree. I would much rather have Getzlaf
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so would I, but I’ll also take the 24 year old almost PPG winger signed for another 5 years.
by Goosemonster on Jan 17, 2012 3:17 PM EST up reply actions
he is our team’s all time leader in contributing absolutely nothing to offence.
by Goosemonster on Jan 17, 2012 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
Step aside, Rickard Wallin
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by Self Destructive Zones on Jan 17, 2012 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
I know, it was a tough fought battle, but Wallin accidentally for about 10 or so points.
by Goosemonster on Jan 17, 2012 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
Tell hwo this comment has anything to do with what we are talking about?
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Depending on the price I would think about it. I like Ryan, but Leafs need a top 6 centre with size and a top pairing d-man before RYan. If they are gonna sell the farm on Ryan and leave those 2 spots unfilled I would be a little concerned.
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Top end talent doesn’t move, get it while it’s hot. I don’t think we’re addressing the D-man need with anything other than a stopgap before the deadline, anyways.
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I do agree with this assessment
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 17, 2012 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
we’re just going in circles now. Tomorrow it will be Getzlaf, then Rick Nash, then JVR, then they’ll be refuted, and Bobby Ryan’s name will pop back up.
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I hope YouTube comes down to film this.
I’m hoping it goes in a new direction, how come no one ever talks about Jordan Staal any more?
Resident Internet Tough Guy
by JaredFromLondon on Jan 17, 2012 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
… boooo
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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Pension Plan Puppets
I hope YouTube comes down to film this.
but he could be with the Leafs! in a 1C roll he would fourish!
and he is a big body and a fantastic 2 way player!
or so ive heard
Resident Internet Tough Guy
by JaredFromLondon on Jan 17, 2012 4:00 PM EST up reply actions
rick nash
Resident Internet Tough Guy
by JaredFromLondon on Jan 17, 2012 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
Lebda’s lesser known brother: Ledba
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 17, 2012 3:17 PM EST up reply actions
No, I’m pretty sure it was his alter-ego Adbel.
Riding the Leafs bandwagon since 1991.
Check out my art!
by CanadianMaple09 on Jan 17, 2012 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
Abdel is his Muslim cousin.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 17, 2012 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
Families are more diverse than ever these days.
The Roar of the Masses Could be Farts.
by Self Destructive Zones on Jan 17, 2012 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
Tim Tebow
The Roar of the Masses Could be Farts.
by Self Destructive Zones on Jan 17, 2012 3:17 PM EST up reply actions
SSDD.
AnthonySan37 Anthony SanFilippo
I’m also told no deal for #Leafs today.. but that something could be in the works between them and the #Ducks involving Bobby Ryan
RIP Former-and-forever Leaf Wade Belak
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JINX
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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Follow me on twitter: leafer1984
bold prediction
Absolutely nothing happens in terms of trading before the deadline.
Burke will then hold a press conference to let everyone know how okay he is with status Quo
Dion Phaneuf: turning the tunes up since '10
HA HA HA Burke makes trades with his wife when they’re out for dinner.
“I didn’t get a dinner roll, I’ll give you 3/4 of my mashed potatoes for yours.”
The Leafs are my Rushmore
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I also write things about stuff over at the Leafs Nation
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 17, 2012 3:34 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
“honey why don’t you just put down your blackberry and talk to me, no need to send that in an email”
Dion Phaneuf: turning the tunes up since '10
“No, that’s Dave’s job”
Nonis, from other table.
“Those potatoes are very valuable Jennifer. Brian would eat them, but he already has too many of them. That dinner roll ist just a better fit with our dinner than it is with yours. Plus I heard it said some unseemly things about your broccoli.”
The Leafs are my Rushmore
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I also write things about stuff over at the Leafs Nation
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 17, 2012 3:50 PM EST up reply actions 8 recs
if I’m going to trade these ready made mashed potatoes, I’m going to need that uncooked steak as a ready-prospect, and also first choice of dinner on June 28.
by Goosemonster on Jan 17, 2012 4:28 PM EST up reply actions
Unless the Leafs continue their losing streak for another 3 or so games. Then I think Burke may make a trade to shake up the team.
Being a Leafs fan makes me bipolar.
Of course you never know, a magical deal could just suddenly appear.
Being a Leafs fan makes me bipolar.
Does Calgary have anyone else worth trading other than Iginla?
As long as 70 minutes of ice time is being doled out to AHLers and Matt Ellis, the Sabres are basically doomed
Girodano.
The Leafs are my Rushmore
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I also write things about stuff over at the Leafs Nation
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 17, 2012 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
Dupuis for Malkin and a first.
At least it's not Lebda.
by Nifty Mittens on Jan 17, 2012 3:43 PM EST up reply actions
It’s funny because he made a Twitter account which specifically exists to beat the dead horse that is people complaining about NHL trade rumors.
The First Certified Grabbo Lover
so it’s Chemmy?
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 17, 2012 3:48 PM EST up reply actions
guaranteed
it’s someone form this site.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 17, 2012 3:48 PM EST up reply actions
Sounds like a Jeffler bit.
The Leafs are my Rushmore
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I also write things about stuff over at the Leafs Nation
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 17, 2012 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
This just in
Burke traded Kadri- Kessel- Komi- Kule for Tim Tebow. His reasoning was that Tebow can score 6 points at a time from more than 30 yards, Burke was heard to say " Hell . He can sit in the stands and win us games."
Real Sports app for Xbox
Just downloaded it. At a quick glance you can buy single leaf games for $6.99.
Packages: Leafs tv, nba, and GOL tv are 6.99/month serperately. 14.99/month for all 3 and 9.99/month for nba and GOL
The most recent videos from each channel (game in 6, interveiws ect.) are available for streaming, and also has a search function; Which to me mean they will keep older videos on record. There is a live events channel to show you what coming up during the week, share and recommend for all three chanels. It also has a search function for past events, so I’ll see what that does tomorrow(nothing on it now).
As a Toronto sports fan I proudly follow the lessons of lachrymology.
"He drives that new car around town and feels really good about it." - Ron Wilson
"Vancouver, BC: A massive inferiority complex with a city." - TheOtherAndrew
"HOPE is more than a postponed disappointment" - Epica
Still need Sportsnet, TSN and CBC for all the Leafs games though
As a Toronto sports fan I proudly follow the lessons of lachrymology.
"He drives that new car around town and feels really good about it." - Ron Wilson
"Vancouver, BC: A massive inferiority complex with a city." - TheOtherAndrew
"HOPE is more than a postponed disappointment" - Epica
the NHL make it easy for fans to watch their team? bahahahhahaha
by Goosemonster on Jan 17, 2012 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
My dream would be a MLSE channel that drops any and all nba content and has most of the games for the rest of their teams.
As a Toronto sports fan I proudly follow the lessons of lachrymology.
"He drives that new car around town and feels really good about it." - Ron Wilson
"Vancouver, BC: A massive inferiority complex with a city." - TheOtherAndrew
"HOPE is more than a postponed disappointment" - Epica
Even with Gamecenter I still have to watch about 1/3 of the Leafs’ games through other places.
The plural of "anecdote" is not "data".
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by Draglikepull on Jan 17, 2012 4:18 PM EST up reply actions
that’s why I love Center Ice, if it’s not on there, it’s on National TV
by Chi-town leafs on Jan 17, 2012 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
The main problem is that they’re in Canada and there are like 514 national tv channels that show leafs games (conservative estimate) instead of 2.
As long as 70 minutes of ice time is being doled out to AHLers and Matt Ellis, the Sabres are basically doomed
ahh true, score 1 for watching the NHL in the U.S
by Chi-town leafs on Jan 17, 2012 4:21 PM EST up reply actions
The main problem is I don’t have or want cable. I want to watch hockey. I do not want to watch CSI.
The plural of "anecdote" is not "data".
Internet Champ. I'm on Twitter too! - draglikepull
by Draglikepull on Jan 17, 2012 4:22 PM EST up reply actions
yes I had a similar problem. I haven’t had cable in…..since I lived with my parents about 6 years ago.
by Goosemonster on Jan 17, 2012 4:23 PM EST up reply actions
ahh see I’m a big enough football, college basketball, and baseball fan I couldn’t live without cable sports channels
plus I watch a decent amount of cable shows (Walking Dead, Hell on Wheels, Archer, American Horror Story) late at night
by Chi-town leafs on Jan 17, 2012 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
Oh I watch lots of TV shows, I just don’t have cable.
by Goosemonster on Jan 17, 2012 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
Other than hockey, there’s only one TV show broadcast in North America that I watch regularly – Mythbusters. There are also a few British TV shows I watch, but none of those are on Canadian cable anyway.
The plural of "anecdote" is not "data".
Internet Champ. I'm on Twitter too! - draglikepull
by Draglikepull on Jan 17, 2012 4:28 PM EST up reply actions
Wait, two, I also watch 30 Rock.
The plural of "anecdote" is not "data".
Internet Champ. I'm on Twitter too! - draglikepull
by Draglikepull on Jan 17, 2012 4:28 PM EST up reply actions
oh god mythbusters is so bad now, my wife and I watched it from season 1 but its getting so unbearable.
by Goosemonster on Jan 17, 2012 4:28 PM EST up reply actions
yeah unfortunately for us fans in other markets (me in Ottawa) ,they black out just about everything, unlesss the Sens aren’t playing.
by Goosemonster on Jan 17, 2012 4:22 PM EST up reply actions
What about centre ice?
As a Toronto sports fan I proudly follow the lessons of lachrymology.
"He drives that new car around town and feels really good about it." - Ron Wilson
"Vancouver, BC: A massive inferiority complex with a city." - TheOtherAndrew
"HOPE is more than a postponed disappointment" - Epica
Leafs games are blacked out in all of ontario and probably half of manitoba too.
As long as 70 minutes of ice time is being doled out to AHLers and Matt Ellis, the Sabres are basically doomed
centre ice requires cable. So I get to pay Rogers 100$ or whatever a month. That’s 1200$ a year. Got to go to school next year in DC, I aint got the money to be spending on that.
by Goosemonster on Jan 17, 2012 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
but fret not, I watch every Leafs game.
by Goosemonster on Jan 17, 2012 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
wait wait wait,
single games are $6.99 but a monthly pass is $14.99?
Dion Phaneuf: turning the tunes up since '10
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