Sens 3, Leafs 2 - Playoff Jokes Were Funnier Last Month
by Chemmy on Jan 17, 2012 11:44 PM EST
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I didn't watch the third period, and from the box score it doesn't seem like I missed any Leafs hockey. I'd like to be clear that tonight's game wasn't a terrible one for the Leafs; they generated a lot of shots (final tally Leafs 39 Sens 21), they generated a lot of chances, and they didn't win.
The game tonight is a terrible example of what's wrong with the Leafs. The second goal on Reimer should probably have been goaltender interference and that's probably the only thing representative of the Leafs: harping on bad bounces.
The Leafs have a team PDO well over 1000. They've been getting the bounces. They're ahead of where they should be. The Leafs get outshot and out puck possessed most nights and sometimes win anyways. This is the opposite: sometimes you're better than the opposition but it doesn't matter because Craig Anderson shuts the door.
The Leafs problem isn't nonsense like "not burying their chances". The Leafs are 6th in the league in goals for per game and 22nd in shots per game. If you want to make an argument as silly as "they take bad shots" or "they can't finish" you should probably explain why they score so much on their few shots if they're bad quality shots that they can't finish on.
The Leafs problem is the same problem they've had for half a decade: they give up a lot of shots and let a lot of those shots in. Toronto is 22nd in the league in shots allowed per game, but they're only 0.6 shots per game ahead of being 29th.
Similarly despite Reimer's above average .931 EV SV%, the Leafs sit at 23rd on the season, about four and a half goals above 28th place. For all Burke's talk about building from the net out the defense does a lousy job preventing shots and the goaltending does a lousy job stopping the pucks they see.
I'd like to congratulate Dion Phaneuf for his second period. He got clipped and drew a power play and then because he can't control himself he took a "roughing" penalty and got jerseyed by Nick Foligno. After the Leafs killed off the PK the Sens scored to tie the game with Toronto's best defender in the penalty box. Toronto's defense is thin enough, Phaneuf's got to know better than to drop the gloves for his stupid honor or the dumb fucking "code"; our defense and goaltending make being down a guy an awful bet.
Sixteen teams make the playoffs, and the Leafs are in the bottom third of the league in both shots taken and shots allowed. A lot of Leafs fans laughed at Ottawa ruining their draft pick by winning and hoped they'd finish 9th. Hope what's good for the goose is good for the gander.
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God? Let’s not praise anything in a Sens jersey too highly!
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by CanadianMaple09 on Jan 18, 2012 12:11 AM EST up reply actions
we may have dominated in the 1st and 2nd, but the fact that they couldn’t at least get this game to overtime is a bit of a black mark on the team.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 17, 2012 11:50 PM EST reply actions
Reimer is 17th in EV SV% despite a disaster night at evens for him. There’s reason to think he’ll rebound as his PK SV% comes up.
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he’s won 3 of his last 12 games, during 7 of which he’s had a .885 or less…
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 18, 2012 12:00 AM EST up reply actions
Yes, the disaster PK clinic he put on generally means you lose.
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he’s given up more bad goals in his last 4 games than he gave up all of last season.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 18, 2012 12:02 AM EST up reply actions
And yet his EV SV% is about the same as last year.
Hope Ron Wilson benches him for three weeks again.
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he shouldn’t have let him sit so long.
his EV SV% is trending down. he needs to be better than he’s been lately. period.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 18, 2012 12:04 AM EST up reply actions
first ‘he’ == RW.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 18, 2012 12:04 AM EST up reply actions
didn’t he let in like 2 on 8 shots against FL?
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 18, 2012 12:12 AM EST up reply actions
3 on 8, two of which were on the PK, and wouldn’t count for ES-SVP.
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by Bower Power on Jan 18, 2012 12:15 AM EST up reply actions
Correction: one of them was on the PK. link
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by Bower Power on Jan 18, 2012 12:15 AM EST up reply actions
right. i checked that by the way. just didn’t count the shots.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 18, 2012 12:17 AM EST up reply actions
I’m doing something else, if you’d like to plot his EV SV for this season I’d like to see it.
Gus deserved the net while he was killing it, but Gus was iffy in Buffalo and shouldn’t have played against NYR.
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Gus shouldn’t have even been in net vs. Buffalo.
It’s not about Gus, though. It’s about the fact that our #1 guy has been fighting the puck lately.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 18, 2012 12:08 AM EST up reply actions
Fighting the puck lately…..from the bench. Tonight he gets interfered with on 2 goals and he’s fighting the puck. Gotcha.
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Leafs need another 4 game win streak. Another few loses to the teams that are next could be the end of the season.
Being a Leafs fan makes me bipolar.
6/7 next games are in conference against teams right around the Leafs in the standings. Including 2 big 4 point games against the Penguins and another Senators game.
Leafs need to come out of that ahead of Pittsburgh in the standings or it ain’t gonna be looking so good.
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lately == when he’s played
the third goal when right over him. if any other goalie were in net the fanbase would be ripping on him.
he similarly let in a a few bad goals over the last few games he’s played. EV or otherwise.
gotme?
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 18, 2012 12:13 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Francois Allaire goalies are complete shit with their high glove. All they do is chicken wing and it’s terrible.
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Hasn’t turned assets that nobody drafted highly into All Stars, can him.
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But, I only hold Reimer accountable for the third goal. Should it have been stopped? Yes. Did Reimer drop to his knees too early, again? Yes. However, the first two goals, he was definitely interfered with. I believe the goalie running may have gotten to him a little. On the first goal, the interference was marginal, but, it was enough to cause Reimer to lose his stick. The second goal, I don’t know what else could constitute inteference other than Spezza (while not being directed or pushed into him at all) sitting in Reimer’s lap as he tips in the puck that’s slowly trickling toward the goal line. Overall, his save% will look terrible on the night, but can only fault Reimer for one goal.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 18, 2012 8:41 AM EST up reply actions
He was interfered with on only the second goal in my opinion
I was/am as big a fan of Reimer as anyone, I bought a new Reimer jersey this season and I’ve been rocking it whenever he’s in net. That said, he has been mediocre at best since his concussion concussion-like upper-body injury.
I don’t need numbers (though they’re horrible) to tell me this. Just watching him play, it hurts. He had a couple nice saves last night (the toe save across the net for example), but that Turris goal was simply inexcusable.
The first goal which many say was interference, I just don’t really agree. Contact was pretty incidental and he was really just out of position on the play. The second goal was both deflating and completely goalie interference, and were interference calls reviewable or challengeable, there’s no doubt the goal would have been disallowed.
However, rules are rules, and Reimer simply needs to be better for this team to have a chance going forward.
by LeftNutForAStarCenter on Jan 18, 2012 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
Reimer was interfered with on the first goal, but it was because Lupul pushed a guy into him. It was a “good goal”, it should have counted.
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Yeah, my biggest concern on the first goal was that his stick got knocked out of his hands. I guess it doesn’t matter either way at this point. Yes, Reimer has looked “off” since he came back and I don’t think RW’s “win and you’re in” philosophy is helping his recovery much.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 18, 2012 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
This?
At least it's not Lebda.
by Nifty Mittens on Jan 17, 2012 11:58 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Look at this dipshit
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by Chemmy on Jan 17, 2012 11:58 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Sens destroy Leafs in season, play eachother in first round of playoffs, Leafs win?
History destined to repeat itself?
Being a Leafs fan makes me bipolar.
I wish I shared your optimism.
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Just a facade to hide this feeling: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_O1hM-k3aUY
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you used to be one of us. dont fight it. we still know you care. hug? i mean why else would you be here/?
by mick mcgeough on Jan 17, 2012 11:59 PM EST up reply actions
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hairy old lady face? id leap for dat
by mick mcgeough on Jan 18, 2012 12:04 AM EST up reply actions
for anyone who hasn't read it yet
this story is almost guaranteed to cheer you up (or at least make you laugh momentarily).
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 18, 2012 12:05 AM EST reply actions
He sure cocked that up
At least it's not Lebda.
by Nifty Mittens on Jan 18, 2012 12:09 AM EST up reply actions
\that guy is such a boner
At least it's not Lebda.
by Nifty Mittens on Jan 18, 2012 12:09 AM EST up reply actions
Here’s a list: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AvJXF0CkzcBedHFPbERSd0pfX0lrVVM1d0Z4Q3B0Snc
It’s EV SV , PK SV and EV-PK SV%, with goalies under 6GP tossed out. Dunno if there’s anything enlightening there.
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But Reimer’s ES-PK is .160 compared to Gus’ .060.
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let the records show that Chemmy, not myself, keeps trying to bring Gustavsson into this discussion.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 18, 2012 12:22 AM EST up reply actions
Not the point, I was wondering if the difference between EV SV and PK SV was a good measure of a penalty kill’s effectiveness.
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didn’t i write a post about that?
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 18, 2012 1:37 AM EST up reply actions
You’re talking a bit of bull up top there, Chemmy.
As for Dion, the lack of toughness is actually, factually, in goals and scores and wins, hurting the Leafs in games.
1) I’ve watched numerous times this season as they hassle, punch, trip and generally try to fuck with Kessel as he skates to the bench. The refs allow it. And in NO cases do I see the opposite. Did Spezza look hassled? Hell he did. He laughed.
2) I also see our goalies get run and run and run. And yep, it gets inside Reimer’s head, Gus’s too.
3) At the other end, sure, we’re scoring well, but we damned well should be with that talent, and the way they’re allowed to play. What we DON’T see are big guys in the paint knocking some of those 39 shots THROUGH the goalie. I mean, how many times do you see that in the NHL? A lot. how many by the Leafs? Ha.
Leafs dominated in lots of ways tonight, but with 39 shots, to score NONE on rebounds or in-close is ridiculous. It’s not that a hot goalie won’t happen now and then, but truly, the Leafs don’t score many from in tough. And Ottawa’s defence are no crease-clearing stalwarts. And Anderson – for all his “great game” let in two in the 1st, so he wasn’t unbeatable.
And if we had a couple of “Big Forwards” would also have cut down on Ottawa’s hassling Reimer. Partly by pushing back, but partly also by making it clear that they could do the same to Anderson.
So… easy prediction….. Big Forward – Incoming. Maybe two. Followed or preceded by an older, shutdown defender. At this point, Wilson has to win. And that means having to mess around with defensively questionable players like Gardiner and Schenn, Franson, plus Liles and Komi just isn’t good enough. As a coach, he’s got wavering and unsure defence, wavering goalies, NO forward toughness. 3 problems. On the other hand, the Leafs have tonnes of young defence depth to trade with, as well as tonnes of forward depth.
Last thought. Seeing Burke shouting – and actually recoiling a little – when Dion took on Foligno said it all. Things are gonna change. Remember, Dion’s face is still half-caved in from getting hit with that puck, and yet he walked in and threw. Burke will NOT let that happen again. Only thing I’m pissed about is that we don’t have a Lucic and a Marchand. time to get us some. Well, truth is, I’m a bit pissed that we didn’t even have enough toughness for someone to jump up for Dion. This is Ottawa, remember. And we just got outmuscled, as we did against the Rangers.
Burke won’t put up with it.
Oh yeah. The defence didn’t give up all that much tonight, not as compared to what the offense generated. Plain and simple, Reimer blew the winning goal. We kicked the shit out of Gus for blowing it, and yup, he does. Too often. But this was clutch.
And I’m just gonna keep saying what I’m seeing – Reimer is NOT the goalie he was. Whether it was the Summer’s talk and pressure, or the Concussion, he just plain does NOT look as comfy as he did last year. He could bust out of it any day, or maybe never. But right now, anybody that would babble on about how Reimer “must” be starting over Gus is talking out of their wishes and hopes and dreams. Because neither is sufficiently solid.
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by not norm ullman on Jan 18, 2012 12:24 AM EST reply actions 11 recs
You point on the net presence was bang on to my eyes. The sens d had ask night to skate out of their zone. No forecheck at all. By the end of the game it looked like the Leafs were the ones who played last night
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by leafer1984 on Jan 18, 2012 12:30 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
*the sens d had all night
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by leafer1984 on Jan 18, 2012 12:32 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Weird that the Leafs took 39 shots given how little they had the puck then, huh?
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I agree with Chemmy
Big defencemen lacking speed and mobility
Speedy, mobile defencemen lacking size and toughness
..and our goaltending?
by Jack rides ducks on Jan 18, 2012 12:44 AM EST up reply actions
No one said they didn’t have the puck. Leafs were effective for the first 30 min using their speed. second half of the game not so much.
They were awful in the 3rd. Absolutely awful. Keep repeating the shot total, however with no one there making life hard for Anderson he will make those “easy” saves.
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by leafer1984 on Jan 18, 2012 12:44 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
And yet the Leafs score more goals on fewer shots than their peers.
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by Chemmy on Jan 18, 2012 12:55 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
But keep repeating your narrative borne out by absolutely nothing.
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by Chemmy on Jan 18, 2012 1:05 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
If only we had some large truculent forwards in the AHL, preferably who threw lawnmowers and had names like Joe or Matt.
At least it's not Lebda.
by Nifty Mittens on Jan 18, 2012 12:38 AM EST up reply actions
If only we outshot the opposition two to one and didn’t fall back on nonsense crutches like “poor shot quality” or “can’t finish”.
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It’s not that the shots were poor quality, or that we can’t finish. It’s just that the ugly goals scored in close are almost always…. indifferent to whether a goalie is hot or not. Anderson was fairly hot. But when you have guys banging into you, or shoving the puck through your pads, or hanging around to bat in any rebound, or blocking your vision, they can convert the speed and shooting of the Kessel’s and such into garbage goals.
I think of it the way I did post the 1972 series. The Russians developed more bangers, we developed more speed/skill. From Karlamov to Ovechkin. Because a strategy using all of one type can be strategized against. Our only bangers are on our 3rd and 4th lines, and problem is… they’re not able to keep up with a Kessel or Grabbo, to convert the chances they’d get.
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by not norm ullman on Jan 18, 2012 12:52 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This guy knows what he’s talking about
"I will actually score as many times as Kulemin assists me."
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by MapleLeafMole on Jan 18, 2012 9:00 AM EST up reply actions
I’d say so. Not Norm Ullman is a genius.
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by Chuck Diesel on Jan 18, 2012 5:39 PM EST up reply actions
The Leafs forward group aren’t very big, but they are fast. Based on just my eyes, it seems like the Leafs have been scoring primarily off the rush all year. The fact that we don’t have any big, skilled forwards must be wearing on Burke. Aside from the fact he looks like a good hockey player, it explains the team’s supposed interest in vanRiemsdyk.
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by T is for Truculence on Jan 18, 2012 12:40 AM EST up reply actions
Reimer deserves goat horns for tonight, no question.
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When I watch him away from the play, Chemmy, he seems off-balance, like he’s not quite skating right. I swear to God he reminds me of ME, with all the hassles I’ve had post-concussion at different times. You couldn’t “test” me and find the problem, it would come and go. But no way he looks as “solid” in there. And I wish he was. I like Gus, but I’d love to see a solid, no-nonsense, not gonna give up any softies guy like last year’s Reimer.
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by not norm ullman on Jan 18, 2012 12:45 AM EST up reply actions
Agree with most of your points. The 1st and 3rd goal scored does not reflect very well on Reimer. He went in the complete opposite direction on the first goal and failed to make a routine save on the third goal. As for the reasons for Reimer’s struggles, pressure and concussions are legitimate reasons and may very well explain the decline in his performance but I would like to add another possibility: maybe what we’re seeing right now is the real Reimer. Maybe last season was a fluke and what we’re seeing right now is the regression to the mean. People forget, before he got the starting gig for the Leafs, this guy wasn’t even deemed good enough to be a backup for the Marlies. Goalies don’t usually go from playing in the ECHL to having 0.920 SV% in the NHL. I still think (and I may be alone on this) that Gustavsson has a higher ceiling than Reimer. I’m not saying he will reach that ceiling while playing for the Leafs (or at all, for that matter) but I do think that he has the skillset to be a potential top 10 goalie in the NHL.
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by Leafswinthecup on Jan 18, 2012 1:49 AM EST up reply actions
But right now, anybody that would babble on about how Reimer "must" be starting over Gus is talking out of their wishes and hopes and dreams. Because neither is sufficiently solid.
Thank you, I’ve been seeing and telling my friends this for weeks since Reimer returned. AT THIS MOMENT, Gustavsson is the better goalie. It seriously pains me greatly to say it, but it’s simply fact.
Lots of good stuff in your post, rec’ed
by LeftNutForAStarCenter on Jan 18, 2012 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
To me they're equally mediocre right now, with Gustavsson the least bad
If Ron W. is “riding the hot hand”, what does he do when both are luke-warm / ice-cold?
by GettinGiggy on Jan 18, 2012 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
And just to clarify
I’m a huge Reimer booster too and look to him to be the Leafs (or someone’s if we lose faith in him) future star. But the effects of the concussion – psychologically – might take longer than we can predict.
Hopefully he will snap out of it soon and go back to early 2011 Reimer!
by GettinGiggy on Jan 18, 2012 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
he’s riding the non-frostbitten hand
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by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Jan 18, 2012 3:38 AM EST reply actions
From someone who knows Reims, two things: 1) he outplayed himself last year but he will work harder than anyone to get back to that point 2) his mental game is shot, he blames himself for every goal whether his fault or not, this won’t change until he starts getting the win
by mexicanfoxholes93 on Jan 18, 2012 5:35 AM EST via iPhone app reply actions 2 recs
Ya this is worrying… he can’t take the blame for ALL the goals on himself, it’s a team game, including defence (shocking for the leafs)
It's an easy trap to fall into
I played goalkeeper back when I played soccer regularly. Which wasn’t that long ago, but that’s beside the point. It’s not hard, when you’re losing, to start thinking that you can do a lot more, especially since you are the only one in your position. You start putting overwhelming amounts of pressure on yourself, and you wind up expecting yourself to play like, in my case, Edwin van der Saar. In Reim’s case, probably Marty Brodeur in his prime. You can’t live up to these expectations, and you get increasingly frustrated. As you get more frustrated, you put more pressure on yourself. Part of that is starting to blame yourself for not doing more and letting goals in, even if there was no way you could have stopped them.
In my experience, this ends one of two ways: either you cave completely, lose it, and fail horribly. I imagine this is the kind of thing that happened to, say, Cristobal Huet. It happened to me, I admit. Or, you burst the pressure bubble – either by throwing together a string of great games that lessens the pressure and eases your frustration and allows you to go back to playing at your best level, or simply just not letting it get to you and working hard to improve.
I don’t pretend to know what’s been going on in Huet’s head, or Reimer’s. I don’t know either of them. I can only relate my experience here, and the experience of some other people I’ve spoken to. Judging by what I’ve seen of Reimer and heard about him, I have no doubt that he has the mental tools to play his way through it. He’ll be fine.
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by Frag on Jan 18, 2012 7:11 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
I saw the reply of the fight...
since I wasn’t home last evening, I only saw the reply of the fight….I was surprised that Foligno’s helmet didn’t come off…he must have bolted it to his head…Phaneuf laid a few solid ones to the head….off course lifting Phaneuf’s jersey over his head ended this bout…that said, I know why Phaneuf went after Foligno since he was upended earlier by him….however, I think a solid hit would have had the same result rather than the captain going off for 7 minutes of ice time….
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by Vito Perri on Jan 18, 2012 10:44 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
On Reimer...
He simply hasn’t been the same post-concussion-like-upper-body-injury.
I still hope he returns to form, but he hasn’t yet. Maybe he needs games to do it. I’d say, let Gus play Minnesota, and then unless Gus picks up a shutout, let Reimer play out the final 3 easy games before the break against the Habs and Isles. Let him try to rediscover a bit of rhythm.
Also, fuck Brian Gionta
by LeftNutForAStarCenter on Jan 18, 2012 10:51 AM EST reply actions
I don’t think this is true. He’s been an average ES SV% starter and still is. He got torched on the PK in December and last night wasn’t pretty.
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hasn't been the same since the injury...
Reimer’s play is not the same as it was earlier this season, prior to the ‘concussion-like’ symptoms….unfortunate since the Leafs were counting on him to be a factor this season…Gus has been doing a good job overall, but I’d rather have a healthy Reimer in goal and Gus as an adequate backup….
Honestly
Aside from the one really bad goal, I thought Reimer wasn’t bad last night. He was interfered with on the first and second goals, whether with his own teammates or other players.
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Positives:
PK has looked decent for a few weeks now.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 18, 2012 12:25 PM EST reply actions
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