A Brain Aneurysm In 5 Minutes Or Less Or Your Money Back
by JP Nikota on Jan 19, 2012 7:02 AM EST
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Hey all, just in case you're in the mood to laugh and make your brain bleed this morning, I'd suggest you check out @AskBrianBurke. You see, if I ever attempted to compile a list of 140-character "thoughts" that encapsulated what it meant to be the dumbest hockey fans in the universe, I don't know if I could do this good a job. It seems that our dear friend @AskBrianBurke has taken to re-tweeting the worst/best questions for the Leafs' GM he can possibly find. Here's a choice example:
I wouldn't be in the least bit surprised to learn that this account is being run by one of our very own PPP users, so stand up and take a bow if it's you.
There's a quote from Clerks that I've been instructed to use here, despite the fact that I've never seen the movie:
This job would be great if it wasn't for the fucking customers.
Yeah, that's probably crossed Brian Burke's mind more than once. Jump for your links.
Leafs Links:
The Unbearable Lightness of Being a Bubble Team
Preach on, Danny Gray. From The Leafs Nation.
What’s the next move with Nazem Kadri?
Michael Langlois has his say at Vintage Leaf Memories.
Dion Phaneuf can't fight in that situation
Personally, I'm OK with it, but Cam Charron has other ideas at The Leafs Nation.
State of Brian Burke’s Leafs
Better than last year. From David Johnson at Hockey Analysis.
NHL denies Winter Classic deal is done
Yeah, well, they also say that the Phoenix Coyotes have a future in Arizona. From David Shoalts at the Globe.
Armstrong turns to Crosby, others for concussion advice
Boneitis runs rampant. From James Mirtle.
Backhand Shelf Podcast
The Phaneuf/Foligno incident is discussed in this one, though I disagree with what's said about Phaneuf at the end of the game. Oh, and Rob Pizzo finally realizes how fast Phil Kessel is.
Do The Leafs Really Need A Number One Center?
Andrew Bates at the Silver Fox says 'no'.
Other Hockey Links:
Surviving the 5 on 6
Copper & Blue columnist dawgbone98 with another great breakdown.
Blues sign Brian Elliott to a two-year contract - The Globe and Mail
The $3.6 million deal will pay the 26-year-old Elliott $1.7 million next season and $1.9 million in 2013-14. He signed a two-way contract this season and is making $600,000.
The Whiteboard
A man with fourth-grade MS Paint skills (Justin Bourne) teaches us about neutral zone regrouping.
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Holy shit that first comment on the HA post is money. It encapsulates ask the stupidity of leaf nation into one comment
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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by leafer1984 on Jan 19, 2012 7:22 AM EST via Android app reply actions
haha what the hell
Hasn’t Kessel been pretty consistent this year?
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
by Semi_Colon on Jan 19, 2012 7:57 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
That has to be a parody comment
Dianne Fnuff? Come on
In summing up, it's the Constitution, it's Mabo, it's justice, it's law, it's the vibe and... No, that's it, it's the vibe. I rest my case
That was not a member of Leafs Nation
The moment you refer to our beloved team as the “Laffs” you void your membership.
New theory, David wrote the comment himself knowing we would be talking about it and people who go to his site and he gets page hits.
/mind explode
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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by leafer1984 on Jan 19, 2012 8:31 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
“Laffs” is the term I find used most often amongst the commenters sheep on TSN articles.
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by JeanValjean on Jan 19, 2012 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I almost didn’t approve that comment but it didn’t really throw any red flags (i.e. personal attacks save for Dion excessive profanity, etc.). I don’t generally moderate against stupidity and I don’t normally get enough traffic/comments to have to be wary of trolls (which that guy might be) just looking to rile other commenters.
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by HockeyAnalysis on Jan 19, 2012 8:53 AM EST up reply actions
Didn’t intend for save for Dion to be striked out.
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by HockeyAnalysis on Jan 19, 2012 8:54 AM EST up reply actions
It’s to late. The damage is done.
At least it's not Lebda.
by Nifty Mittens on Jan 19, 2012 9:25 AM EST up reply actions
HockeyAnalysis hates PhaneufSchenn all the Leafs analysis
I used to love the Leafs... I still do... but I used to, too.
by Chuck Diesel on Jan 19, 2012 9:57 AM EST up reply actions
His anti-self.
"We are all agreed that your theory is crazy. The question that divides us is whether it is crazy enough to have a chance of being correct."
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he has a soul patch
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 19, 2012 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
It’s Lupol spelled backward correctly, though. I actually see “Lupol” a lot—more than “Lopul”, for sure.
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I hope YouTube comes down to film this.
by birky on Jan 19, 2012 11:51 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Also
You have never seen clerks? you’re not missing out on much. Very overrated
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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by leafer1984 on Jan 19, 2012 7:39 AM EST via Android app reply actions
no no no. you’re supposed to overreact when someone hasn’t seen a movie, not dismiss it.
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YOUNGBLOOD IS A FUCKING CLASSIC MAN
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by PPP on Jan 19, 2012 9:14 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
First rule about Fight Club is YOU BETTER HAVE WATCHED FUCKING FIGHT CLUB!!!!
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I’ve seen Fight Club.
Resident teetotaler married to a habs fan. Who is also not a fan of most dogs.
But the line worked for this context, and it’s still weird when someone hasn’t seen it. It’s not so much a “must see” as a “most have seen”.
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Clearly, non-pugilists.
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by not norm ullman on Jan 19, 2012 10:13 AM EST up reply actions
id say the book is a must read though
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 19, 2012 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
I’d actually say the movie is better than the book.
In the court of public opinion, Steve Simmons is Lionel Hutz.
You would be nuts
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What did you like about the book? The movie is hardly Citizen Kane, but I like Ed Norton and Fincher isn’t a bad director.
In the court of public opinion, Steve Simmons is Lionel Hutz.
I usually find the book better. Get inside the characters head better
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One Flew Over the Cuckoos Nest is a case where the movie exceeds the book.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 19, 2012 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
Dexter falls into this category as well. the book (well the first one anyway) was terribly written
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They just get worse and worse, too. By the third book, the series becomes practically unreadable. (It at least took until the sixth season for the show to become unwatchable.)
Yeah, Dexter’s getting really bad.
Breaking Bad is the best show on TV for my money.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 19, 2012 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
I stopped watching after season 4. i figured they couldn’t top it, so why bother.
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Breaking Bad or Dexter?
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 19, 2012 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
I haven’t seen breaking bad yet
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go watch it right now!
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 19, 2012 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
I’ll add it to the list after Blazing Saddles, Youngblood, and Slap Shot,.
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If there was an advertisement talking about the movies you haven’t seen, it’d be set to Sarah McLachlan.
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I usually do too, which is why I find the case of Fight Club interesting. I didn’t find a whole lot going on in the book. Other examples aren’t hard to find. Kubrick is responsible for 2: The Shining and 2001: A Space Odyssey, and possibly also Clockwork Orange. The Godfather. Or, as PFACNF points out, Cuckoos Nest.
In the court of public opinion, Steve Simmons is Lionel Hutz.
That comment doesn’t really make sense. I usually agree with you but didn’t with Fight Club, and there happen to be a lot of exceptions to the “book is better than the film” rule, now that I think about it.
In the court of public opinion, Steve Simmons is Lionel Hutz.
Usually, if the book comes before the movie, the book is better. But if the movie comes before the book, the movie is better.
A book better than its movie: The Princess Bride.
I too don’t enjoy witty banter the likes of which had never been captured on film before.
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Eh, it was good the first time.
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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I wager you’ve seen it 37 times?
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by SkinnyFish on Jan 19, 2012 9:31 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
in a row?
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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Bravo
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by Chemmy on Jan 19, 2012 10:29 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah it’s not a movie that lends itself to re-watching, but it’s still awesome.
The hockey on the roof bit is pretty great
by Chi-town leafs on Jan 19, 2012 9:48 AM EST up reply actions
I think its quite re-watchable, and its an excellent example of making a good film on a shoestring budget.
by Goosemonster on Jan 19, 2012 9:50 AM EST up reply actions
One of the difficulties of being the team’s best defencemen is that you need to choose very carefully when you’re going to fight someone, especially when defence seems like it’s been such a big problem. Foligno is not the calibre of player to do it with; Ottawa will gladly make that trade all night long. It’s not like it was a decisive fight that would have Foligno thinking twice next time, either.
I've been looking at the sky
Could it get any better than this?
John Ferguson Jr. is now the director of pro scouting with the San Jose Sharks but comes with managerial experience. He’s very conversant when it comes to the language. The move to the top of the Canadiens wouldn’t be an issue for him.
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it's funny that multiple teams
Are thought to be in on him
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by Semi_Colon on Jan 19, 2012 8:22 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
PLEASE Montreal, Hire this man. For the love of god, PLEASE do it.
by Goosemonster on Jan 19, 2012 8:29 AM EST up reply actions 7 recs
Wendel smite me, but I think JFJ could actually do OK in a non-demanding hockey market. Tough to argue he doesn’t have a good eye for young talent (besides in goal, of course).
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I hope YouTube comes down to film this.
See what I always find funny is that because someone is good at one aspect of a higher job (like scouting in the case of JFJ) people always seem to assume he can do the rest of the job.
It’s similar to how in football, people are always shocked when just because a coach is a good offensive coordinator, doesn’t mean they will be a good coach.
Not going after your comment, I just think that JFJ’s level is probably just handling scouting and drafting… the trading and negotiating contracts not so much
by Chi-town leafs on Jan 19, 2012 9:52 AM EST up reply actions
Great. He can draft good, young talent, and then get fleeced by Burke and Nonis for it.
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by Bower Power on Jan 19, 2012 10:37 AM EST up reply actions
If there’s any market more demanding than Toronto, it’s Montreal. JFJ might have to commit suicide before being fire.
I just pictured JFJ spontaneously lighting on fire.
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If Dreger said it I would have confidence. But this Dregar? Nah…
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by Shield on Jan 19, 2012 10:06 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
TODAY WE FIGHT FOR NORSKGAARD! TOMORROW HABS HIRE BAD GM! THOR SMILES.
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by Chemmy on Jan 19, 2012 10:30 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Chaim’d. Coffee in nasal cavity after reading that. It burns.
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by JeanValjean on Jan 19, 2012 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
you guys do realize that somehoe JFJ will end up building a cup winner...
nothing works out for us. ever. end of story.
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by Matt_Roberts on Jan 19, 2012 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
Now this is the comment of someone who had their “hope face” punched in.
This space for rant...
by fair_n_hite_451 on Jan 19, 2012 1:12 PM EST up reply actions
According to some people in Leafs Nation, Burke hasn’t got a trade done yet because he concerns himself with other trivial, non-hockey things, like working towards eliminating bullying and homophobia.
Some people have no idea about how to properly sort priorities, and find what is actually important in the world.
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He has something like 8 assistant general managers doesn’t he? I think he can spare an hour of his day from GM duties and the franchise won’t crumble apart in his absence.
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by HockeyAnalysis on Jan 19, 2012 9:02 AM EST up reply actions
Not to mention he admitted the other day that he’s in contact with all other 29 teams daily or close to it this time of year. Although I think some calls go like this
“Hey Ken (Holland), hows it going? You ready to share your cyborg technology yet? Nope huh? well thats a shame.. do you have any top 6 forwards your willing to trade, haha yah that was a joke I know you aren’t trading off. Okay then talk to you later..”
“Bonjour Pierre, I’m going to Deficate in La Chapeau”
there’s one guy who has a “Leafs Rumours” twitter account. guess thats him trying to get the inside scoop from one of his sources
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That’s Eklund looking for a second revenue stream.
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by JeanValjean on Jan 19, 2012 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
this account is great too: https://twitter.com/#!/Vecom93
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My sources tell me PPP is working on a deal to send Not Norm Ullman and JaredFromLondon to Five for Howling in exchange for Travis Hair and an extra rec button.
Stay tuned, I will post more info as it arrives.
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by Chuck Diesel on Jan 19, 2012 8:55 AM EST reply actions 9 recs
I’d do this trade all day long.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 19, 2012 9:00 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
NOt a chance. Jared’s QualCOmment and comment/day rates are off the chart. I don’t see them regressing either.
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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by leafer1984 on Jan 19, 2012 9:01 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
But his COrrectgrammar/60 words is horribly low.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 19, 2012 9:02 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
true but we need his “internet tough guy” presence lest we have rats take over our board.
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by elseldo on Jan 19, 2012 9:03 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Please, you can’t even quantify “intenet tough guy” into an actual statistic. It’s almost like saying you like his “compete level” or that he has “heart”.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 19, 2012 9:05 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
do you even read the comments?
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by elseldo on Jan 19, 2012 9:06 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Man, I just glaze over threads that start talking about all these advance stats…
This space for rant...
by fair_n_hite_451 on Jan 19, 2012 9:49 AM EST up reply actions
I do the same with trade proposal threads. Hypotheticals that will never happen don’t interest me at all. But I like analyzing trades that have happened.
I will stand beside him with an axe! @theninjagreg
by theninjagreg on Jan 19, 2012 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
That doesn’t correlate as much with blogging as you’d think
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by PPP on Jan 19, 2012 9:17 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
I think the correct question is, does this trade bring the site more playoff commenting experience?
Bam Bam.- digga digga damm
Our current playoff commenting experience is really quite low.
by Goosemonster on Jan 19, 2012 9:58 AM EST up reply actions
really the most experience we have is when Chemmy mercenaried himself out last year
by WizardofNaz on Jan 19, 2012 10:02 AM EST up reply actions
I have playoff commenting experience!
But I’m also a spy.
OPERATION TANK IS A GO. It’s the only explanation for Mike Weber. He’s on a secret mission.
Yeah, you can go back to BSB any time Mister…
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by fair_n_hite_451 on Jan 19, 2012 10:04 AM EST up reply actions
What’r you talking about, the Flyers will easily make the playoffs.
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Hey now, the Sabres are trying to do something even more difficult than playoffs: Out-Tank the Columbus Blue Jackets.
OPERATION TANK IS A GO. It’s the only explanation for Mike Weber. He’s on a secret mission.
Fail Failing for Nail
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That Sabers are actually trying to Suck for Luck… they are a bit confused on this whole thing
by WizardofNaz on Jan 19, 2012 10:08 AM EST up reply actions
I suppose having him throw the puck 60 yards down ice straight on to Vanek’s stick would be considered a “hand pass”
by Chi-town leafs on Jan 19, 2012 10:09 AM EST up reply actions
speaking of throwing things while on the ice… I was at the Hamilton Bulldogs game last, to see the Milwaukee Admirals play because Mike Latta now plays for him and he grew up down the street from me.
Anyways in one of the intermissions they had a contest for outdoor game tix, where 2 people went head to head throwing nerf footballs into the net from different areas, and a grown man missed the net from the hashmarks. Honestly its 7 feet away how do you miss a target that big!. Also when he threw from centre ice he barely cleared the blue line…
by WizardofNaz on Jan 19, 2012 10:18 AM EST up reply actions
Throwing on ice throws off your footwork is the only explanation I could come up with to explain that. I was at a Marlies/Wolves game and they had 3 fairly big, atheletic guys in a contest to hit a wiffle ball from the ice by the benches over the glass by the penalty boxes… and none of them could do it.
by Chi-town leafs on Jan 19, 2012 10:22 AM EST up reply actions
but still from 7 feet away into a 5×5 opening! you can roll the ball from that far away
by WizardofNaz on Jan 19, 2012 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
True, I think Tim Tebow can make that throw
by Chi-town leafs on Jan 19, 2012 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
Other funny highlights of the game… there was at most 800 people actually at the game.. and at least 50 of them were from Waterloo to watch Mike.
I got to see “wasted resources” aka Joel Champagne play, all I have to say is meh…
Louis Leblanc is afraid of his own shadow and wasn’t impressive at anything.
No one on the Bulldogs (Habs) stood out.
Latta absolutely tuned a guy in fight. Landed about 10+ punches and never got hit, so that was fun.
by WizardofNaz on Jan 19, 2012 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
thats it? 800? Yeesh.
do you know what the announced attendance was?
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2235 according to the gamesheet on AHL.com
by WizardofNaz on Jan 19, 2012 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
Still wonder why they have the lowest attendance in the league.
OPERATION TANK IS A GO. It’s the only explanation for Mike Weber. He’s on a secret mission.
Copps is a horrible place to watch an AHL game.
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too big for AHL, too shitty for NHL.
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It could easily be fixed up to work for the NHL though, it’s very similar to Scotiabank place and only a bit older, it just hasn’t been kept up due to lack of a profitable full-time tenant. It’s always going to be too big for the AHL though.
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Copps makes all its money with concerts… pretty good venue for that.
by WizardofNaz on Jan 19, 2012 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
I thought it was going to cost about 150 to fix it up when Balsillie was looking at it.
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realistically you could hold NHL games there tomorrow and be okay. Its not that bad. Just a bit older. However JBalls wanted to turn it into a high end rink IIRC.
by WizardofNaz on Jan 19, 2012 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
granted it would be the worst rink in the league without reno’s but you can fit like 13000 in there right now I think
by WizardofNaz on Jan 19, 2012 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah exactly, it has the capacity and is structurally sound, it’s just dumpy and boring. It’s basically Scotiabank Place without updated luxury boxes.
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And it’s obviously overall a bit more run down, though I haven’t been to Copps in 3 or 4 years so it could be different. The one thing that’s awesome about it is massive bathrooms with hundreds of urinals.
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If you put in new seats, a new coat of paint redo the scoreboard etc and make the hallways less bland it’d be a nice arena.
Basically the entire place was probably state of the art 20 years ago and just needs an upgrade asthetic upgrades
by WizardofNaz on Jan 19, 2012 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah exactly, and they need to update all the luxury boxes and stuff. One advantage over other older arenas is that it does have mid-level boxes.
The concourse is bland but I don’t think that’s rare for the NHL.
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idn I always enjoyed walking into the front of the ACC (although that might be the “woo Leaf game” factor). And the Buffalo entrance is nice too.
by WizardofNaz on Jan 19, 2012 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
ACC has a great concourse, but in Ottawa it’s pretty much the same, dull concrete and generic vendors as Copps.
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I didn’t realize we were talking about high end arenas, just about what it would take to make Copps and NHL arena.
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Oh I was saying the $150 mil JBalls was going to use was to make Copps a state of the art arena not just make it a servicable NHL arena
by WizardofNaz on Jan 19, 2012 11:01 AM EST up reply actions
I was in Copps last year
With about 10,000 screaming kids. Glad I took earplugs.
by ChrisFromParadise on Jan 19, 2012 3:07 PM EST up reply actions
idn, maybe their weekend games are more filled up and it being a wednesday meant a lot of season ticket holders didn’t show… if paid attendance was 2200 and maybe 800-1000 were there then a lot of season ticket holders didn’t show
by WizardofNaz on Jan 19, 2012 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
I can’t any links to ahl attendance.
i keep coming across this link that has attendance charts for all hockey leagues, but can’t find it this time.
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Montreal is making a run for that as well.
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We’ve already passed them, they won more than one game this month. Suckers.
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we’re only 9 points ahead of Columbus, IIRC. Who knew.
by Goosemonster on Jan 19, 2012 10:08 AM EST up reply actions
Buffalo has no chance since they got that psycho coach of theirs.
I shot a moose once, in upstate New York.
by not norm ullman on Jan 19, 2012 10:15 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I’ve never seen that before, but i gotta say, that video is rec’n awesome
by JohnerstonRex on Jan 19, 2012 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
This a Travesty
Excuse my French, but this would be like trading Kessel and Komi for a glove full of shit. More precisely, like trading Kessel and a glove full of shit for a glove full of shit.
Sorry. That’s just my emotions talking. What I meant to say is, I’m brokenhearted about this deal. And how fucking long it took to put together.
Sure, I knew blogging was a business. But I guess I’d never really experienced the cold, callous side of that business til today. I had to get out of this freakshow, and if tthat means bringing JamJarFromSarnia with me to Phoenix, then so be it.
From a business perspective, it probably makes sense to PPP. Komi Jared’s one of the best bloggers in the East, and has been for years. So his value is at an all-time high. He’s just so mentally quick, trolls haven’t got a chance. Yeah, which explains why Sens Pylon#3 beat him senseless on the last GameDay thread. And “your face?” Srsly? That shit’s gonna keep the trolls at bay?
He’s a character guy. Overflowing with intangibles. Which probably explains why he was caught on the TTC with that six-pack of flatulent Ferrets last week. Looking for a place to store all those excess intangibles,
Speaking personally, I know I can say, I’ve given my all for this team. And more than anything, I’m going to miss my friends, my fans, my fellow bloggers. There’s no more knowledgeable and passionate group out there than here at PPP. Place is so thick with trolls they might as well change the name to LAFFS67KESSELSUX. Our defence is 6 Luke fanboys wanking in a corner, VRN shouting about Gus, a dozen turdlike teenagers with calculators, and some freaks who prefer more violence in their sex-lives than in their blogging.
And I’d just like to go on record, if I may, as saying Scummy and the Penile Implant Chemmy and Skinny up in Management have always treated me fairly over the years.
Til now.
* sniff *
I’m sorry, that was just the pain talking. The deep, personal, pain, on losing all my good friends at PPP. Fuck these fucktards and the fuckwits they rode in with. There’s nothing that hurts more than losing the friendships, the deep, personal bonds. Deep. And personal. Can’t wait to introduce deep and personal to little Britney Jade in Phoenix, and all her little Cheerleader friends. No, wait. That’s wrong. They’re Drum Majorettes. Yeah, they can’t be cheerleaders until they’re in high school.
Anyway. I’m sure you’ll enjoy Travis Hair and the extra rec button. They’ll be quality additions to this dung-heap the site. Just don’t hit him it too hard, too often. Hahahaha!
Go PPP.
I shot a moose once, in upstate New York.
by not norm ullman on Jan 19, 2012 10:12 AM EST up reply actions 18 recs
this is why this trade hurts so much. NNU is full of fight.
I used to love the Leafs... I still do... but I used to, too.
by Chuck Diesel on Jan 19, 2012 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
Fantastic.
99% of player salaries are payed out to only 1% of players. #OccupyNHL
I'm a Twitter twat.
CanadianMaple09 is an effective Facebook stalker.
fuck that, i have a full NMC
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 19, 2012 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
and if you don’t waive it you will be asked to not report. not even the PPP Commentors Association can do anything about that.
Resident teetotaler married to a habs fan. Who is also not a fan of most dogs.
they can ask all they want, don’t see why id start following directions now
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 19, 2012 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
Do they need to be brought to the gulag?
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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the gulag isn’t there any more, SOME ONE left the stove on and it burnt down
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 19, 2012 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
I was hungry.. :(
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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Greg Brady @bradyfan590
Leafs head coach Ron Wilson confirms that Jonas Gustavsson will get the start in goal tonight vs. the Minnesota Wild.
Are we done making “or is he?” jokes about Wilson announcing starters yet?
Resident teetotaler married to a habs fan. Who is also not a fan of most dogs.
or are we?
I used to love the Leafs... I still do... but I used to, too.
by Chuck Diesel on Jan 19, 2012 8:58 AM EST up reply actions
I dont agree with this at all
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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Minnesota has scored more than 2 goals three times in the past 16 games. The only question we really need to worry ourselves with is if we can score 3-4 goals.
Koivu is injured, as are a few other of their players, so the Leafs just need to be solid positionally and they should be able to get the W tonight.
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Leafs have given up 3 or more goals in 9 of their last 11 games.
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by HockeyAnalysis on Jan 19, 2012 9:11 AM EST up reply actions
Leafs have outscored opponents 22-14 in last 7 games.
Flugenweb, space code, twit zone, ass mode, check ze tweets.
you can too count better than anyone.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 19, 2012 9:56 AM EST up reply actions
3 different comments
With three different ranges of games. Shows you can say whatever you want if you pick the right game range.
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
by Semi_Colon on Jan 19, 2012 9:18 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
The Pessimist: Leafs have lost 3 in a row.
The Optimist: Leafs are 4-3 in 2012.
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by HockeyAnalysis on Jan 19, 2012 9:33 AM EST up reply actions
Pessimist: 2 of those losses came from games against Buffalo and Ottawa
by Goosemonster on Jan 19, 2012 9:40 AM EST up reply actions
Optimist: We beat the Wings, therefore we can compete with anyone!
This space for rant...
by fair_n_hite_451 on Jan 19, 2012 9:51 AM EST up reply actions
Pessimist: We just about gave up the cookie by scoring 3 in a row in that game and promptly sitting back while the Wings caught up.
by Goosemonster on Jan 19, 2012 9:53 AM EST up reply actions
Optimist: The team showed heart and won despite giving up a 3 goal lead.
by Chi-town leafs on Jan 19, 2012 9:56 AM EST up reply actions
Pessimist: you’re assigning narratives.
by Goosemonster on Jan 19, 2012 9:58 AM EST up reply actions
Optimist: His “hope face” hasn’t been punched in yet.
This space for rant...
by fair_n_hite_451 on Jan 19, 2012 10:00 AM EST up reply actions
Pessimist: there’s still plenty of time.
by Goosemonster on Jan 19, 2012 10:00 AM EST up reply actions
Pessimist: The wings are terrible on the road.
OPERATION TANK IS A GO. It’s the only explanation for Mike Weber. He’s on a secret mission.
Optimist: Reim
Being a Leafs fan makes me bipolar.
by BlindSight on Jan 19, 2012 9:54 AM EST up reply actions 6 recs
STats too can be used to build narratives
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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Leafs have been our scored 9-6 in their last 4 games.
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by HockeyAnalysis on Jan 19, 2012 9:19 AM EST up reply actions
and yet they still gave up 3 goals in 5 of the 7 2012 games.
Strangely the Leafs have either gotten a shut out (twice) or given up exactly 3 goals (6 times) in their last 8 games.
The positive is they haven’t given up more than 3 goals in 8 games straight games.
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by HockeyAnalysis on Jan 19, 2012 9:31 AM EST up reply actions
They have it. It’s called the ghoster coaster. It has several ups and downs and sharp bends and turns and is big enough to almost qualify for real roller coaster status but isn’t quite there and you get off it feeling it was too short and you missed out on the real fun.
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by HockeyAnalysis on Jan 19, 2012 9:45 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
oh god the ghoster coaster was the bane of my existence. I will never go on another roller coaster I hate that shit.
by Goosemonster on Jan 19, 2012 9:51 AM EST up reply actions
So I guess theres no confidence in Reimer right now? Or theyre really trying to see if Jonas can still run away with the starter role. Maybe they think if Jonas has the confidence that he can play even after he screws us then maybe he’ll play better?
Being a Leafs fan makes me bipolar.
Reimer have a bad game? Get out, we’re putting Jonas in.
Jonas have a bad game? Get out, we’re putting Reimer in.
The saga continues….wu-tang, wu-tang.
by Goosemonster on Jan 19, 2012 9:26 AM EST up reply actions
dolla dolla bill yall
At least it's not Lebda.
by Nifty Mittens on Jan 19, 2012 9:30 AM EST up reply actions
I’ll just assume that’s Triumph, which is absolutely fucking amazing.
by Goosemonster on Jan 19, 2012 9:32 AM EST up reply actions
ah yes, cash rules everything around me.
by Goosemonster on Jan 19, 2012 9:40 AM EST up reply actions
Olympic torch flaming, it burns so sweet.
The thrill of victory, the agony of defeat.
"I will actually score as many times as Kulemin assists me."
-Mikhail Grabovski
by MapleLeafMole on Jan 19, 2012 9:38 AM EST up reply actions
I prefer the first lines:
I bomb atomically,
socrates philosophies and hypotheses
can’t define how I be droppin these mockeries
lyrically perform armed robbery
flee with the lottery
possibly they slaughter me
by Goosemonster on Jan 19, 2012 9:42 AM EST up reply actions
Bah, I hate rap music.
;-)
This space for rant...
by fair_n_hite_451 on Jan 19, 2012 9:53 AM EST up reply actions
that’s because you haven’t listened to it.
Besides, whatever you think doesn’t matter because Wu-Tang is FOREVER.
by Goosemonster on Jan 19, 2012 9:53 AM EST up reply actions
Wu-Tang Clan ain’t nutin’ to fuck wit
"They build a statue, they knock it down and piss on it, and now they will be out there building it again."
by ThickSkinnedAlive on Jan 19, 2012 9:56 AM EST up reply actions
I’m not the first dog that’s shitted on your lawn
I used to love the Leafs... I still do... but I used to, too.
by Chuck Diesel on Jan 19, 2012 9:58 AM EST up reply actions
I never truly appreciated OSB until recently. He is one of the greatest rappers of all time. You’d never know by the way he talks (see the documentary comment below, as nothing he says in it makes any sense in this world) or by reading the lyrics per se, but there truly is and was no father to his style.
by Goosemonster on Jan 19, 2012 10:00 AM EST up reply actions
OSB ruled but his brother ODB was even better.
I used to love the Leafs... I still do... but I used to, too.
by Chuck Diesel on Jan 19, 2012 10:01 AM EST up reply actions
Old Skeezy Bastard?
This space for rant...
by fair_n_hite_451 on Jan 19, 2012 10:05 AM EST up reply actions
Big Baby Jesus
Pension Plan Puppets*
* Blog contains less than 2% puppet content by weight.
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Dirt McGirt
Pension Plan Puppets*
* Blog contains less than 2% puppet content by weight.
by Chemmy on Jan 19, 2012 10:34 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Osirius
"I will actually score as many times as Kulemin assists me."
-Mikhail Grabovski
by MapleLeafMole on Jan 19, 2012 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
Best verse…But I was using the part that follows:
“the Saga continues…Wu-tan, wu-tang”
"I will actually score as many times as Kulemin assists me."
-Mikhail Grabovski
by MapleLeafMole on Jan 19, 2012 9:55 AM EST up reply actions
yup. After a little ODB. And by the way, if you haven’t seen the 40 minute documentary on ODB entitled “Dirty Thoughts”, you have not lived. It’s all over the net I’m sure.
by Goosemonster on Jan 19, 2012 9:56 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t see the problem with starting Gus tonight
"I will actually score as many times as Kulemin assists me."
-Mikhail Grabovski
by MapleLeafMole on Jan 19, 2012 9:38 AM EST up reply actions
SkinnyFish @SkinnyPPPhish
Leafs head coach Ron Wilson confirms that he’s grown tired of actually making coaching decisions and will instead let the win column dictate who starts in net.
The First Certified Grabbo Lover
urgh. i still don’t think Reimer’s on his game, but sitting him for weeks on end isn’t going help.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 19, 2012 9:42 AM EST up reply actions
I also wrote about the state of the Leafs rebuild
I looked at it very differently than Hockey Analysis did. I think the Leafs come off looking pretty good:
The plural of "anecdote" is not "data".
Internet Champ. I'm on Twitter too! - draglikepull
progress is definitely evident
i’m headin’ over to read your analysis, but i read another the other day that compared the leafs technique vs. building through the draft like edmonton, and i mean… the standings don’t lie!
I guess what I hate most about this ‘rebuild’ is that we still have not addressed the problems we had 4-6 years ago. We couldn’t keep the puck out of our net then, we can’t now. You can’t win with bad defense and are there really significant signs that it will change any time soon without a few somewhat significant changes to the roster?
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by HockeyAnalysis on Jan 19, 2012 9:54 AM EST up reply actions
Tell me about our roster 4 years ago. Look it up, post it, and let’s see which one is better.
by Goosemonster on Jan 19, 2012 9:56 AM EST up reply actions
At least our top line (Sundin-Antropov-Ponikarovsky) could play at both ends of the rink back then. Can’t say that for our current top line who are horrific defensively.
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by HockeyAnalysis on Jan 19, 2012 10:01 AM EST up reply actions
There’s only one top line player on that line. And also, Sundin was the centre.
by Goosemonster on Jan 19, 2012 10:01 AM EST up reply actions
At least our top superstar (Sundin-Antropov-Ponikarovsky) could play at both ends of the rink back then (because he’s a generational world class superstar). Can’t say that for our current top line who are horrific defensively devoid of the sunicorn.
I used to love the Leafs... I still do... but I used to, too.
by Chuck Diesel on Jan 19, 2012 10:03 AM EST up reply actions
sunicorn = unicorn but as blinding as the sun?
by Goosemonster on Jan 19, 2012 10:06 AM EST up reply actions
It is the effect of a camera flash reflecting off Sundin’s sweaty bald head.
I used to love the Leafs... I still do... but I used to, too.
by Chuck Diesel on Jan 19, 2012 10:10 AM EST up reply actions
Burke didn’t inherit the roster we had 6 years ago. The team Burke inherited was going to finish near the bottom of the league in 2009-10 no matter who was in charge, and if I recall at the time, pretty much everyone thought the team needed to rebuild through youth.
All I’m really trying to say is that teams don’t usually go from the lottery to the top of the league in a year and a half. The Leafs bottomed out, but they’ve consistently improved in ways that the other bad teams that year (other than Florida) haven’t.
The plural of "anecdote" is not "data".
Internet Champ. I'm on Twitter too! - draglikepull
by Draglikepull on Jan 19, 2012 10:07 AM EST up reply actions
He came in part way through 08-09, yes. My point is that team was going to suck the next season no matter who was in charge of it. The Leafs were a cap team full of bad-to-mediocre players with virtually no prospects. That team was going to suck no matter what Burke did in his first few months on the job.
The plural of "anecdote" is not "data".
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by Draglikepull on Jan 19, 2012 10:13 AM EST up reply actions
“That team was going to suck” is my phrase of the day.
The plural of "anecdote" is not "data".
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by Draglikepull on Jan 19, 2012 10:13 AM EST up reply actions
Yay!! We have improved more than the teams that barely spend over league minimum on players and certainly don’t spend (likely) $8-10 million on GMs, assistant GMs, and coaches and god knows how much on scouts and other advisors.
Sorry, I don’t set my bar that low, especially when the GM himself has publicly set the bar higher.
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by HockeyAnalysis on Jan 19, 2012 10:20 AM EST up reply actions
So how quickly do you think a team that finishes 2nd last in the league and completely overhauls an aging roster with youth should be a contender? 6 months? 8?
The plural of "anecdote" is not "data".
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by Draglikepull on Jan 19, 2012 10:22 AM EST up reply actions
Edmonton has finished at the bottom of the league for how long and they still suck?
The NYI have finished at the bottom of the League for how long and they still suck?
Alantapeg finished at the bottom of the league for how long and they’re finally ok?
Florida sucked for how long and is finally good?
I think the Leafs have turned it around from horrible to decent in a fairly short span of time considering other teams
by Chi-town leafs on Jan 19, 2012 10:24 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
St Louis did the full rebuild about the same time as the leafs started but results were not evident until Hitchcock took over the helm. Sens also seemed to benefit from a coaching change this year. But oilers, avalanche, NYI have been struggling like what seems forever.
I’d still argue that St. Louis had more to work with when they started their rebuild (plus they had to deal with major injuries to Perron, Oshie, etc.)
Sens just defy logical explanation.
by Chi-town leafs on Jan 19, 2012 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
Charles Wang probably counteracts any skill a GM Might have in NY.
I used to love the Leafs... I still do... but I used to, too.
by Chuck Diesel on Jan 19, 2012 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
St. Louis finished 16th the season we were 2nd last (2009-10). The season before that they were 15th. Last season, during a year where they were crippled by injuries, they were 20th. St. Louis has never been even close to as bad as the Leafs were in 2009-10 any time recently.
The plural of "anecdote" is not "data".
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by Draglikepull on Jan 19, 2012 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
Colorado was a solid team about 3 or 4 years ago. Since the lockout htey have had
06 95 points
07 95 points
08 95 points
09 69 points
10 95 points (this was the flukey year where Anderson really carried a team playing ahead of itself)
11 68 points
12 89 point pace
In regards to playoffs
06 2nd round
07 did not qualify (with 95 fucking points)
08 2nd round
09 did not qualify
10 first round
11 did not qualify.
Not really sure how you say they have been struggling for forever. They one the cup and lost in the finals at the beginning of the decade.
About time that people finally realized how awesome Gunnar is...
Certified Gunnar & Kule lover!
My new goal: To get the nickname Hebrew Hammer for Mike Brown to take off.
I think the Leafs have turned it around from horrible to decent in a fairly short span of time considering other teams
I actually don’t think it is all that difficult to go from horrible to decent in a fairly short span of time. Florida did it in one summer with a roster overhaul and they aren’t even spending to the cap. Most of the time teams suck for long periods of time because they have horrible GMs (some even promote their back up goalies to the GM position) and don’t spend any money on advisors, scouts and coaches. You can’t compare the Leafs to the Islanders. My standards are much higher than ‘we are better than the Islanders’ and I’d hope yours are too.
Chicago was bad for years, then their owner passed away and the new owner got serious, brought in some smart people who drafted a few good players, made some good trades and free agent signings and now they are one of the premiere teams in the league.
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by HockeyAnalysis on Jan 19, 2012 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
It helped they were so bad that they got to draft Toews and Kane (who I hear are pretty good)
by Chi-town leafs on Jan 19, 2012 10:37 AM EST up reply actions
that also didn’t happen overnight…you know, them winning the cup and all.
by Goosemonster on Jan 19, 2012 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
it happened over ~17885 nights
I used to love the Leafs... I still do... but I used to, too.
by Chuck Diesel on Jan 19, 2012 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
Chicago, eh?
2003-04 – 30th
LOCKOUT
2005-06 – 28th
2006-07 – 26th
2007-08 – 20th
2008-09 – 6th
2009-10 – 3rd (Stanley Cup)
Huh. Chicago bottomed out, slowly improved for a few years, and then took a big jump forward once management realized it had a good core in place. So what you’re saying is that the Leafs are on the right path?
The plural of "anecdote" is not "data".
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by Draglikepull on Jan 19, 2012 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
Good goaltending goes a far way.
About time that people finally realized how awesome Gunnar is...
Certified Gunnar & Kule lover!
My new goal: To get the nickname Hebrew Hammer for Mike Brown to take off.
Wow your English is on a roll this morning.
99% of player salaries are payed out to only 1% of players. #OccupyNHL
I'm a Twitter twat.
CanadianMaple09 is an effective Facebook stalker.
You can all fuck right off. As long as pharmacists can figure out what I mean we are all good.
About time that people finally realized how awesome Gunnar is...
Certified Gunnar & Kule lover!
My new goal: To get the nickname Hebrew Hammer for Mike Brown to take off.
Pharmacists are not human.
I shot a moose once, in upstate New York.
by not norm ullman on Jan 19, 2012 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
i wonder where they grow those guys
Resident Internet Tough Guy
by JaredFromLondon on Jan 19, 2012 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
I hear there’s a pharm out near Sarnia.
ba dum boom.
I shot a moose once, in upstate New York.
by not norm ullman on Jan 19, 2012 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
i set em up, you knock em down, someone else cleans up the mess
Resident Internet Tough Guy
by JaredFromLondon on Jan 19, 2012 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
Phoenix sounds pretty nice right now, eh?
Fuckin’ snow.
I shot a moose once, in upstate New York.
by not norm ullman on Jan 19, 2012 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
and they wanted to trade you guys
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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someone always wants to trade the franchise for youth and potential
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 19, 2012 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
In other words, there’s a difference between sucking tactically and just sucking generally
Professional cusser causer.
by T is for Truculence on Jan 19, 2012 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
Florida is 3-9 in their last 12. They’re back to ‘OK’ and dropping.
OPERATION TANK IS A GO. It’s the only explanation for Mike Weber. He’s on a secret mission.
Florida has a guy I’d never heard of named Jason Garrison, on pace for 20 goals as a defenceman shooting 11%. Yeah that’s sustainable.
I hear he’s taking higher quality shots.
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I’d heard of him because I got him on my Hockey Ultimate Team last year… but that was about it
by Chi-town leafs on Jan 19, 2012 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
I’d heard of him because he was Mike Weaver’s defence partner, once upon a time.
The Roar of the Masses Could be Farts.
by Self Destructive Zones on Jan 19, 2012 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
Mike Weaver > Luke Schenn > DIon Phaneuf
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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I don’t understand exactly what you think could have been done differently so the team would be contender for home-ice in the playoffs.
Flugenweb, space code, twit zone, ass mode, check ze tweets.
It’s not that I think they should be a contender for home ice in the playoffs now, it’s that they might not even be a playoff team now and I don’t see the path forward, with this core, that takes us to being a contender for home ice in the playoffs over the next 2 years.
Mostly, I think our defense and goaltending sucks and we can’t keep the puck out of our own net and I don’t see that changing. Please tell me what the path is that takes this defensively awful team to at least a defensively mediocre team? Is that path completely based on hoping Schenn and Aulie eventually become shut down defensemen and Reimer eventually being a reliable goalie? Because if that is the case our future contender status is based on hope and optimism, not unlike the Oilers or Islanders.
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by HockeyAnalysis on Jan 19, 2012 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
This year’s team is better than last year’s team, last year’s team is better than the year before. This year we are competing for a playoffs spot (legitimately), I don’t get the crazy pessimism.
Flugenweb, space code, twit zone, ass mode, check ze tweets.
2009-10 gaa: 3.15 (29th)
2010-11 gaa: 2.94 (24th)
1011-12 gaa: 3.03 (27th)
Sorry, not really seeing much improvement in the defensive half of the game, arguably the most important half of the game.
Furthermore, I don’t think Brian Burke even cares. He mentioned on twitter the other day he wants his team to be and ‘exciting team that trade chances’. I don’t think that is how you win. He talks about needing another forward with size, not a defensive forward, or a defensive defenseman or an improvement in goal.
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by HockeyAnalysis on Jan 19, 2012 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
So the only stat that matters is GAA? That makes sense.
The team has been doing better in the standings each year and now has some legitimate young stars. If you can figure out a scenario where we trade for a legit starting goalie and a rock solid defense corps I’m all ears. For now we should just let our young players develop and watch the team continue to improve.
Flugenweb, space code, twit zone, ass mode, check ze tweets.
After 45 games last year: 18-22-5 – 41 points
After 45 games this year: 22-18-5- 49 points
Nope, no improvement
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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Coincidentally, IIRC we missed the playoffs last year by… 8 points?
by Chi-town leafs on Jan 19, 2012 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
So you are expecting that we will finish this season 19-12-6 like last year to squeak into the playoffs?
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by HockeyAnalysis on Jan 19, 2012 11:06 AM EST up reply actions
I dunno, take away 13 games from there and tell me what they would they be on pace for and then maybe I can tell you
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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I don’t need to take away 13 games and I can tell you that they aren’t on 19-12-6 pace.
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by HockeyAnalysis on Jan 19, 2012 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
I bet no one thought they were gonna make that run last year either.
Point is, they are a better team RIGHT NOW than they were last year.
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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They weren’t on a 19-12-6 pace last year until they were on a 19-12-6 pace.
by Chi-town leafs on Jan 19, 2012 11:11 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
We have a 56% chance of making the playoffs right now: http://www.sportsclubstats.com/NHL.html
Flugenweb, space code, twit zone, ass mode, check ze tweets.
GAA is an incredibly important stat so yes, it should be incredibly important we try to reduce it.
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by HockeyAnalysis on Jan 19, 2012 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
And I think the Leafs have tried to reduce it through signing Komisarek, drafting Schenn (granted happened before Burke), and trading for Phaneuf.
Have all of those moves worked? No, but I think it’s pretty clear that this is something that they’ve tried to address.
by Chi-town leafs on Jan 19, 2012 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
And I think the Leafs have tried to reduce it through signing Komisarek, drafting Schenn (granted happened before Burke), and trading for Phaneuf.
Tried, and failed. That’s my point. The core of this team (defensively) still needs serious fixing, not minor tinkering.
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by HockeyAnalysis on Jan 19, 2012 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
Trading for Phaneuf was a failure?
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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I think I can make the argument that Phaneuf is significantly over paid, and not a #1 defenseman and making him the center piece of the team was/is a mistake.
I don’t mind Phaneuf on this team, I just wish he wasn’t considered a ‘core’ player and wish that he was making $4-4.5M because that is what I think he is worth. He is a #2/#3 defenseman. Problem is Burke loves him, probably thinks he is worth every bit of his $6.5M salary and will probably re-sign him to another big contract at his first opportunity.
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by HockeyAnalysis on Jan 19, 2012 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
Yup. I;m done with this. Stick to manipulating numbers to fit whtever fuckin narrative you wish.
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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how in the flying fuck is phaneuf not a number one defenseman? this is pathetic.
by Ben Schnell on Jan 19, 2012 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
yes, phaneuf is a number 3 defensemen. this is fucking rediculous
by Ben Schnell on Jan 19, 2012 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
“ridiculous”
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by fair_n_hite_451 on Jan 19, 2012 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
You are suggesting that Phaneuf is a number 3 defenseman?
For defenders over the last 3.5 seasons the man is:
9th in TOI
10th in goals
20th in points
And because I am on hockey reference:
He is 37th in their defensive point shares
So all of that taken together means he is about 15th ish.
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GF/20 minutes when he is on the ice 5v5.
Liles: 0.90
Schenn: 0.89
Franson: 0.89
Gardiner: 0.86
Gunnarsson: 0.83
Phaneuf: 0.82
Komisarek: 0.75
Aulie: 0.65
GA/20 min.
Gunnarsson: 0.72
Gardiner: 0.76
Liles: 0.78
Phaneuf: 0.82
Schenn: 0.89
Franson: 0.89
Aulie: 0.93
Komisarek: 0.94
And Phaneuf gets the most offensive zone starts.
He gets results from opportunity, not from elite level talent.
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by HockeyAnalysis on Jan 19, 2012 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
So Schenn is one of the better offensive defensemen at even strength
Also Phaneuf gets the most ice time period.
by Chi-town leafs on Jan 19, 2012 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
Schenn is higher on that list than Phaneuf, therefore Schenn is a better offensive weapon than Dion.
Thats what that chart tells me,
That chart also tells me Gardiner and Liles are better than DIon in there own zone.
GIVE ME A FUCKIN BREAK.
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Thus displaying the limitations of stats
by Chi-town leafs on Jan 19, 2012 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
No. Displaying how one who is good at numbers can manipulate them to show whatever they want them to. David is good at that.
HEY DAVID DID YOU TAKE AWAY 13 GAMES FROM PHANEUFS STATS TOO?
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by leafer1984 on Jan 19, 2012 11:47 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Phaneuf has 2g, 13 points at ES this year, Schenn has 1G, 11 pts. Phaneuf has played 832:41 at ES, Schenn has played 650:09. You be the judge.
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by HockeyAnalysis on Jan 19, 2012 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
Who are they playing against? Phaneuf is constantly getting the hard shifts. He pkays against the Ovies, the Stamkos’ all the other teams stars at ES.
THATS CALLED CONTEXT DAVID YOU SHOULD FUCKIN USE IT
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Phaneuf played against weaker defensive players than Schenn last year. Don’t have this year handy.
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by HockeyAnalysis on Jan 19, 2012 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
Last year Phaneuf had 4g, 16pts at ES, Schenn had 5g, 21pts. Schenn played 1509:09 at ES to Phaneuf’s 1293:49.
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by HockeyAnalysis on Jan 19, 2012 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
You’re just trolling now aren’t you. LIke, you’re sitting at home laughing right? I’m being punk’d aren’t I. This has to be some big messed up joke
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I am not trolling. Prove me wrong. Prove to me that Phaneuf plays against great defensive players which limits his offensive production to that of Schenn’s who plays against weak defensive competition. Prove it to me with numbers and I’ll accept it. I don’t accept things like “Who are they playing against? Phaneuf is constantly getting the hard shifts.” That is barely a step above “don’t you watch any games?”
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by HockeyAnalysis on Jan 19, 2012 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
I think everyone knows that QoC and QoT is somewhat flawed. When every game Phaneuf is matched against teams top lines, that isn’t a narrative or anecdotal, that’s fact, its safe to say he will have a harder time putting up points at ES.
Do I have the numbers, no, because I am at work and can’t get them and to be quite honest I can’t be bothered since you will manipulate them any way you see fit to prove your point.
I am done arguing with you. If you can;t comprehend a simple notion like context, than you are ignorant.
Good day.
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Here is some context for you.
Schenn’s Opponents GA20: 0.75
Phaneuf’s Oppenents GA20: 0.75
Both their opponents give up goals at equivelent rates.
Schenn’s teammates GF20: 0.83
Phaneuf’s teammates GF20: 0.86
Phaneuf plays with better offensive players.
Phaneuf’s OZone%: 56.2%
Schenn’s OZone%: 46.0%
Phaneuf starts far more frequently in the offensive zone.
Phaneuf also gets more ice time and yet he has just 1 goal and 2 more points than Schenn at even strength.
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by HockeyAnalysis on Jan 19, 2012 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
Yet you argue that Schenn is fucking horrible all the time.
Should the Leafs just buyout/trade all their defensemen and start over??
by Chi-town leafs on Jan 19, 2012 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
Yet you argue that Schenn is fucking horrible all the time.
Defensively.
Should the Leafs just buyout/trade all their defensemen and start over??
Not sure I’d “start all over” but I think the defense is improperly built and doesn’t provide good value for the money spent on them.
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by HockeyAnalysis on Jan 19, 2012 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
No, those are numbers without context.
Looking at the Opponents’ GA20 we could conclude EITHER that 1) Schenn and Phaneuf face equal competition OR that 2) Schenn faces softer competition, but because they are softer they tend to play less offensively gifted players themselves, and so tend to be on the ice for a similar GA20.
In the court of public opinion, Steve Simmons is Lionel Hutz.
Ahh, yes, we gotta put the context in context.
Can we put the context of the context in context?
Schenn plays against less gifted players because those less gifted players play against less gifted players. But those less gifted players play against less gifted players too. Yada Yada Yada.
I do look at opponents of opponents in my HARO+, HARD+ ratings.
Schenn’s HARO+ is 1.14
Phaneuf’s HARO+ is 1.05
Schenn’s better, and I don’t adjust from OZone% in HARO+ so quite likely Schenn is significantly better.
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by HockeyAnalysis on Jan 19, 2012 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
And….. you’re the only one who sees it.
That’s gotta be tough.
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by not norm ullman on Jan 19, 2012 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
His own special rating says he is right, therefore he is.
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Wait I know… just need to sign Mike Weaver
Problem. Solved.
by Chi-town leafs on Jan 19, 2012 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
Feel free to prove me wrong.
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by HockeyAnalysis on Jan 19, 2012 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
Well, my PLEA ranking has
Phaneuf at +10.07
Schenn at -3.04
PROVE ME WRONG.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 19, 2012 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
Provide me with a formula for calculating PLEA rankings and I’ll get right on that.
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by HockeyAnalysis on Jan 19, 2012 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
GA/60+SA/60/ONICESV%+BRING IT DOWN A NOTCH
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 19, 2012 12:53 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Maybe Phaneuf is, in fact, the most over rated player in the NHL.
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by HockeyAnalysis on Jan 19, 2012 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
and there it is
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No, we don’t “gotta put the context in the context.” We need to provide context for numbers that we’ve calculated. Why is the number what it is? What do we know about what’s actually happened that could explain this?
I can’t believe that the scenario I presented was as convoluted and difficult to follow as you suggest. I also can’t believe that you don’t understand what context is, but it really does look that way.
In the court of public opinion, Steve Simmons is Lionel Hutz.
These ratings, which I made up myself and which nobody else has ever heard of nor gives any merit to, clearly show that player A is better than player B.
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My metrics are flawless even tho I have been known to cherry pick numbrs so they can prove the point I want to make
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Also, i guess you forgot about the part where Dion sliced his leg and didn’t gt back up to speed until like January. Yup.
Did your spreadsheet tell you that?
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Leafer and I are agreeing on hockey stats. Someone might want to check outside to see if the Eye or Sauron has appeared or something.
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by Draglikepull on Jan 19, 2012 11:58 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I’m scared too.
I actually respect stats when used properly. When they are being clearlty manipulated and cherry picked, its stupid.
Guys like David up there make it hard for advanced stats to actually catch on because of how absurd he makes them sound.
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This is laughable. It is a skill to play as many minutes as him.
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Also
While Phaneuf has the second highest Ozone start he has the highest Ozone finish because he pushes the play up the ice.
(from behind the net for ES)
Name Ozone start % Ozone finish % Zone Shift %
LUKESCHENN 45.3 51.7 6.4
MICHAELKOMISAREK 42.7 48.3 5.6
DIONPHANEUF 53.7 55.9 2.2
CARLGUNNARSSON 49.8 51.7 1.9
JOHN-MICHAELLILES 51.1 52 0.9
JAKEGARDINER 56 54.5 -1.5
CODYFRANSON 52.6 51.1 -1.5
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by BCapp on Jan 19, 2012 11:50 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He also
Has the hardest QoC, CorsiRelQoc, and second hardest CorsiQoC (to Gunnar). So he is playing a lot of hard minutes, scoring a lot and pushing the play up the ice.
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by BCapp on Jan 19, 2012 11:52 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
OVER- PAID
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As a matter of fact here are his league wide stats (for dmen with 20 GP this year)
13th hardest QoC
38th hardest CorseRelQoC
40th CorsiQoC
So he is playing tough minutes (not the absolute most difficult because RW spreads it out a bit).
While his zone start is 45th out of 200, his zone finish is 4th. In the fucking league.
While he is 64th in zone shift, that doesn’t take into account the difficulty of having a positive zone shift when starting in the Ozone.
If you look at only those Dmen with 20+ GP AND 50% or higher Ozone start, you will find that Phaneuf’s shift is 8th of 106.
Finally as you are likely to point out, Phaneuf is 78th in Pts/60. Not so great right? But it is difficult to have a high pts/60 when playing a lot of minutes. If you look at only players playing 17+ minutes of ES TOI/60 you get 57 Dmen. Phaneuf is 29th. Admittedly lower than I expected.
If you do the same analysis and look at players with a corsi rel above 0.5, Phaneuf is 35th of 87. Admittedly his ES offense isn’t quite as good as I expected.
However his overall numbers, his time on ice, his level of competition are all extremely impressive. He is a number 1 dman.
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by BCapp on Jan 19, 2012 12:06 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
On the PP (Dmen with 20 GP and 2 min/60 TOI)
Phaneuf is 17th of 60 in points/60
5th in goals/60.
On the PK (20 GP 2min/60)
Phaneuf manages to be 58th/96 in +/-
For corsi he is 31st of 96
For CorsiRel he is 11th of 96 (so he is on our terrible PK but doing a good job relative to the team).
I would argue he is an average #1 D at ES and PK and a great (elite?) one on the PP. That is a number 1 defenseman and at 26 a man to build around.
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by BCapp on Jan 19, 2012 12:12 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
None of those numbers scream ‘elite’ to me. You have him as mediocre offensively and I don’t consider him a great defensive player.
The best we can say about him is he plays a lot of minutes.
BTW, I am not a corsi fan so all those corsi-derived stats are meaningless IMO because they ignore very important aspect of the game, being able to drive/suppress shooting percentage. It’s a real, and not an insignificant, talent.
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by HockeyAnalysis on Jan 19, 2012 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
To be fair, I should say “Phaneuf plays a lot of minutes and performs reasonably well while doing so.”
And there is a lot of value in that. It isn’t $6.5M in value IMO and doesn’t make him a true #1 defenseman on a good team IMO, but it has value. I wouldn’t make him an untradable cornerstone of my franchise as Brian Burke has.
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by HockeyAnalysis on Jan 19, 2012 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
Does Vancouver have a better defenceman? What about the Flyers (no Pronger) or Rangers or Blues?
Not every team can have a Shea Weber, but not every team with Shea Weber is a ‘good’ team anyway.
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by Back In Black on Jan 19, 2012 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
And yes, Phaneuf is overpaid. I don’t think anyone has disagreed with that point, you can let it rest.
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by Back In Black on Jan 19, 2012 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
BTW, I am not a corsi fan so all those corsi-derived stats are meaningless IMO because they ignore very important aspect of the game, being able to drive/suppress shooting percentage.
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by theninjagreg on Jan 19, 2012 3:26 PM EST up reply actions
Because instead of looking at the stand alone stat of shots, it’s better to insert the factor of luck into your analysis by looking at goals scored right?
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After that post I gave up reading what he had to say…
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by theninjagreg on Jan 19, 2012 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
He’s not elite in the same realm as a Chara, Weber, etc… guys who get less than 50% O-zone starts and score over 1 point per 60 min. But there are only a handful of those guys in the league, not everyone has one. Phaneuf’s as close to a cornerstone as you can get when you’re talking about the crop right below the truly elite.
Basically to be a no. 1 defenseman you have to be among the top 30 in the league. Can anybody really find 30 defensemen that are better than Phaneuf?
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by T is for Truculence on Jan 19, 2012 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
Depends does Chara count as 2 or 3 people with his size?
by WizardofNaz on Jan 19, 2012 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
7th highest cap hit among D
6th in scoring among D
Drives play in the right direction
Faces toughest competition on the team
Totally overpaid
And that’s just the quantifiable stuff. I know everyone hates intangibles… but I like to think he is the fucking Captain for a reason…
by Chi-town leafs on Jan 19, 2012 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
so do I, and I’ve seen him lead on the ice (confirmation bias warning!) – when he has those big hits, I really think he gets our guys going.
by Goosemonster on Jan 19, 2012 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
Agree with the strategy or not, Brian Burke will pay a premium for character. He believes that makes the difference in a league with so much parity. Literally the LEAST of this team’s worries is how much Dion Phaneuf is getting paid. We’re one of the most well-managed teams in the league in terms of cap health going forward.
Until Burke says “we could’ve traded for Stamkos except Phaneuf’s cap hit got in the way” I’m not going to lose any sleep over how much money he makes. The team is below the cap.
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by T is for Truculence on Jan 19, 2012 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
Komi’s contract is a much larger overpay than Phaneufs anyways
by Goosemonster on Jan 19, 2012 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
So you don’t like what management has done to improve the team, but don’t want them to take risks to try and improve the team?
Flugenweb, space code, twit zone, ass mode, check ze tweets.
I don’t like that management doesn’t seem to care one bit that they are a horrible defensive team and don’t seem at all interested in addressing that fact.
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by HockeyAnalysis on Jan 19, 2012 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
How many goalies have the Leafs added since Burke took over?
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by Draglikepull on Jan 19, 2012 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
Goalies with experience and a track record? One. Giguere.
And now he is pinning our ‘great goalie of the future’ hopes on a goalie who a year ago he didn’t think had a chance to be an NHL starter.
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by HockeyAnalysis on Jan 19, 2012 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
Which goalies with a track record as a number one, other than Mr Universe, became available in the past 2 years?
by Goosemonster on Jan 19, 2012 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
Theodore, but he hadn’t really been good in several years….
Vokoun, who made it clear he wanted to be on an immediate contender…
Elliott…. but then you have MASSIVE hindsight bias there
by Chi-town leafs on Jan 19, 2012 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
Exactly. People thought about Emery and I wasnt against him but he isn’t a proven #1.
by Goosemonster on Jan 19, 2012 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
Theodore has been between okay and good for 4 straight years
910, 911, 900, 916.
Emery was available and Biron 2 years ago.
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3 below average seasons and one above average for Theodore. Also kind of old. Definitely the guy I want to build my young team around.
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by Draglikepull on Jan 19, 2012 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
I wouldn’t mind bringing him in on a short-term deal. It’s been said before, but going with a tandem of two not-entirely-proven goalies is a pretty significant gamble. Burke had the right idea when he brought in Giguere as a mentor to Reimer, but he was old and busted. I would’ve rather he had gone in that direction again this year.
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by T is for Truculence on Jan 19, 2012 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
Who said anything about building around him? He signed a 2 year contract and likely will be fighting it out with their top prospect (Markstrom) next year. I wanted him to be doing the same thing here with Reimer instead of Markstrom.
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Sure, but signing a backup goalie as insurance isn’t what’s going to turn this team into a playoff contender. We still need to find a long-term starter somehow, and I think Burke has put a lot of work into making that happen.
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by Draglikepull on Jan 19, 2012 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
What he’s done with the goaltending just doesn’t help us all that much right now, for this season. That’s the problem.
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by T is for Truculence on Jan 19, 2012 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
Hard to know how Reimer would have fared if he hadn’t been concussed and missed a bunch of time. Might have tanked, might have been a repeat of last season.
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by Draglikepull on Jan 19, 2012 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
Well the other problem is our insurance policy going into the year was Gustavsson. When you feel like you need an insurance policy on your insurance policy, it doesn’t engender much confidence.
However, from a long-term perspective I can understand why Burke did what he did based on the way the goalie pipeline is structured. If Burke had brought in another goalie, he’d either have three goalies in the NHL or he’d have to send Gustavsson to the minors, which would’ve bumped everybody else down a notch too. So just like with the rest of the team, he figured he’d let them develop and see how the year went.
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by T is for Truculence on Jan 19, 2012 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
How is he pinning everything on him? This summer he brought in another Euro free agent (Owuya) and drafted a goalie (far in the future).
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He’s signed 3 free agent goalies and drafted one. And traded for one (Giguere, which didnt work out).
by Goosemonster on Jan 19, 2012 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
Giguere worked out fine. You don’t have Jason Blake do you?
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by Ubiquitous on Jan 19, 2012 11:35 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Oh the trade overall was good, but he clearly didnt work out as a number 1.
by Goosemonster on Jan 19, 2012 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
that was a cap move you happened to get a goalie out of.
OPERATION TANK IS A GO. It’s the only explanation for Mike Weber. He’s on a secret mission.
And frankly, as a replacement for Vesa Toskala, I’ll take it. Giguere was the No. 1 until the emergence of Reimer
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by T is for Truculence on Jan 19, 2012 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
He should have drafted John Gibson
by Dr_Furious on Jan 19, 2012 12:44 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Except that’s so much bullshit as I pointed out above, they have clearly tried both through sign/trading for goalies and through trading/signing/drafting defensemen.
Just because it hasn’t worked doesn’t mean they haven’t tried
by Chi-town leafs on Jan 19, 2012 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
No but see Burke has to do something RIGHT THIS MINUTE
TRADE ALL THE DEFENSEMEN
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by T is for Truculence on Jan 19, 2012 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
TRADE EVERYONE
Stanley cup HERE WE COME!
by JohnerstonRex on Jan 19, 2012 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
I think we all agree that goaltending is an area that this team needs to improve. I wonder how your example of a team whose rebuild the Leafs should emulate worked out in this regard?
In 2005, Chicago signed Nikolai Khabibulin to a big UFA deal. He turned out to be not great. In 2008, Chicago signed Cristobal Huet to a big UFA deal. He turned out to be not great. The Hawks also signed Antti Niemi out of Finland in 2008, but they didn’t really play him until 2009. He turned out to be pretty good.
Huh, so Chicago tried, but failed for years to find good goaltending, then got lucky with a Scandinavian free agent and won the Cup. The more I look into this “Chicago” team, the more I think that the Leafs are actually on the right track.
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by Draglikepull on Jan 19, 2012 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
Leafs traded for Raycroft (didn’t work), Toskala (didn’t work), and Giguere (didn’t work)
so we’re just looking for our Niemi…
by Chi-town leafs on Jan 19, 2012 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
Khabibulin did in Chicago exactly what he did in Tampa. He had stretches of really good play and stretches of really bad play. In the year he won the Stanley Cup in Tampa he all but lost his starting job (to John Grahame I think) because he had a long spell of awfulness. Everyone knew signing Khabibulin for that money was a mistake (except maybe Kevin Lowe who made the same mistake in Edmonton a few years later). Huet was a career backup who had one good season. That was clearly a mistake too.
Then they got a new owner and got smart.
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by HockeyAnalysis on Jan 19, 2012 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
Pretty sure Huet was with the new owner…
and how did they get smart? By signing Emery? or Turco? by having Crawford… develop?
by Chi-town leafs on Jan 19, 2012 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
Huet was signed July 2008. Niemi was signed September 2008. They then let Niemi walk and started playing a goalie they drafted in 2003 who has played worse than Niemi since he left. I’m failing to see the managerial sea change here.
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by Draglikepull on Jan 19, 2012 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
Brian Campbell and Kopecky were AWESOME signings too
by Chi-town leafs on Jan 19, 2012 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
So smart that Niemi got shuffled out the door right after winning the cup?
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by T is for Truculence on Jan 19, 2012 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
Fun story:
If you give James Reimer league average PK SVP (.877 – among all goaltenders) rather than his current .771, James Reimer would have just 12 goals against short handed. This 10 goal difference would put the Leafs at 2.8 GA/G (17th in the league). League average would be even higher if we remove all goaltenders who have played fewer than 10 games.
PK SVP, while not entirely “well trodden”, is at this point thought largely to be a product of variance (luck) more than skill, which would mean that adjusting to league average isn’t uncalled for. Simply by making James “top 10 goaltender by ES SVP” Reimer “average” on the PK, there’s your defensive progress.
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by Bower Power on Jan 19, 2012 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
I wrote about that on the front page.
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That’s good, because I think I crossed my excel tabels and got the math wrong. 2.84, rather than 2.8. /shrug.
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by Bower Power on Jan 19, 2012 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
Not any more it’s not. It’s Tabels now. (Should read “cells” anyways, but fuckit)
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by Bower Power on Jan 19, 2012 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
sorry, didn’t realize you were using the newest version – “Excle”
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by fair_n_hite_451 on Jan 19, 2012 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
So we should scrap all the progress made, trade all of our defensive prospects and hope some awesome defensemen become free agents?
by Chi-town leafs on Jan 19, 2012 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
And somehow trade several of our many goalie prospects for a starting goalie.
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Why bother picking outside of the top-10 of the 1st round until we’re in the top 4 in the conference? Those kids won’t help right away.
by Chi-town leafs on Jan 19, 2012 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
We really need better goaltending and while I think Burke has done a good job improving our goaltending prospect pool from shit to respectable he hasn’t found a true number 1 NHL goaltender. Here’s hoping Reimer is that.
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I find it frustrating that Reimer has one not great game and suddenly Jonas is back in. Let him get some fuckign confidence, that game wasnt entirely his fault.
by Goosemonster on Jan 19, 2012 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
I’m gonna wildly speculate and say that Reimer isn’t back to 100% yet. That or he’s just in a funk, which happens to 99% of NHL goalies.
I’d rather they let him try to play through it because I think he can turn it around sooner rather than later, but RW is probably desperate for some wins and is going back to Gus based on his recent string of wins.
I still don’t fully trust Gus. It was building, but that stinker on Saturday…
by Goosemonster on Jan 19, 2012 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah Saturday’s loss was all on Gus.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Jan 19, 2012 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
It was?
Yikes
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he let in a bad goal. i don’t see how the loss was ‘all on Gus’ any more than Tuesdays loss was ‘all on Reimer’.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 19, 2012 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
EVERY LOSS IS THE GOALIES FAULT RABBLE RABBLE
EVERY WIN IS INDEPENDENT OF THE GOALIE!!
by WizardofNaz on Jan 19, 2012 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
I’m guessing that’s sarcastic.
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I wouldn’t call the loss all on gus. When you only manage 20 shots and played like shit most of the game, its not all on the goalie. Did Gustavsson play his best game? No but as a team they liked like a pile of turd
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SARCASM
We got shut out by the Rangers, it wouldn’t have mattered if Gus let in 1 or 15.
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I thought you meant what I said.
Disregard.
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honest question
do football fans talk about QBs in the same way? are they comparable positions?
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 19, 2012 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
i guess QBs/kickers touch the ball on every scoring opportunity, in the same way goalies need to stop the puck on every scoring opportunity.
except, in football there’s no other way to drive offense. in hockey, it’s possible to prevent goals other than having the goalie stop the puck (i.e., prevent the puck from being shot at all).
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 19, 2012 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
safety?
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 19, 2012 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
ok
but no one usually sits around after a game and says ‘boy, our Defensive line really didn’t score enough touchdowns that game’ right?
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 19, 2012 1:02 PM EST up reply actions
I’m a Dolphins fan. I don’t say anything, I just sigh.
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by Draglikepull on Jan 19, 2012 1:04 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Worked for the Caps last night.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 19, 2012 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
Point me to a successful rebuild that didn’t count on some degree of hoping that young players pan out? Do you think Chicago would have taken Duncan Keith in the 2nd round and Anton Babchuk in the 1st in 2002 if they knew for certain that Keith was going to become a Norris nominee?
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by Draglikepull on Jan 19, 2012 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
Oh man seeing Sundin in a Leafs jersey again for the Alumni game would be absolutely amazing. I miss that guy badly on our team, he was a one man show half the time he was here.
We should have kidnapped Lidstrom during the Wings games in order to synthesize a substance that would give Sundin Lidstrom’s anti-aging superpower, so we could run a Lupul-Sundin-Kessel line
by Chi-town leafs on Jan 19, 2012 9:59 AM EST up reply actions
I believe Lidstrom himself already synthesized the substance from Chelios blood. All we need to do is find his underground lab.
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by Chuck Diesel on Jan 19, 2012 10:00 AM EST up reply actions
Did Chelios get it from Gordie Howe, How far back does the Detroit Mad Science span?
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I’m not saying that Gordie Howe is an alien, but Gordie Howe is an alien?
by Chi-town leafs on Jan 19, 2012 10:06 AM EST up reply actions
he’s no vampire, that’s for sure.
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by fair_n_hite_451 on Jan 19, 2012 10:07 AM EST up reply actions
I’m not saying this is true, but he’s definately the hybrid of Alien and Vampire coitus. This is a fact, and it’s true
by JohnerstonRex on Jan 19, 2012 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
I believe Howe and Delvecchio originally worked on it. Shannahan, Chelios, Lidstrom, Draper, Larry Murphy, Johnny Bycyk etc all used age enhancing substances thereafter.
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by Chuck Diesel on Jan 19, 2012 10:08 AM EST up reply actions
Could you imagine Sundin and Kessel on a line? Oh boy.
by Goosemonster on Jan 19, 2012 10:01 AM EST up reply actions
I know Armstrong and Crosby are friends and all, but I dunno if he’s the best person to ask for advice on recovering from concussions
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by T is for Truculence on Jan 19, 2012 9:33 AM EST reply actions
Armstrong gunna use his friendship to bring Crosby to the Leafs. Now I understand.
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Why? Because his is the worst non-career ending one yet? Just because Crosby suffered another set back and everyone is unsure how he’s going to recover, Crosby was probably one of the first people to try a bunch of different tactics to help him recover. He’s been through it so he’d have tips beside “sit in a dark room”.
Not to mention concussions can show many different symptoms to maybe Lombo’s is different than Army’s and Crosby has shown the exact same symptoms.
Bottom line is with concussions there is no one clearcut way to treat it (aside from time).
Yeah I mean all Crosby has ever done is visit the best concussion docs in the world and taken it slow, whereas Colby tried to hide his own concussion symptoms. Boy has Sidney ever got it wrong!
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Jeeze everyone knows he should just undergo a lobotomy to removed the bruised part of the brain and some electroshock therapy and boom he’s good to go
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by GreatKingRat on Jan 19, 2012 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
I’d say seeing a chiropractor for a brain injury is not the best of decisions.
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by Draglikepull on Jan 19, 2012 9:44 AM EST up reply actions
Actually, when I got a concussion in a car accident I went to a chiropractor to get my shit sorted out and my back and neck realigned. It did wonders for my headaches. By chiropractor, I think they mean a D.O. who would do more than merely treat Crosby’s concussions.
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D.O.?
I looked it up. A neuro-chiropractor is just a chriopractor who took some neuroscience courses. They’re no more qualified to deal with actual neurological issues than you or I .
Chiropractors work in very restricted situations that have to do with certain types of spine issues. Outside of that they’re complete snake-oil salesmen who risk doing more harm and who give people false hope that they can treat problems they in fact cannot.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 19, 2012 9:53 AM EST up reply actions
ah. but no, from what I read the other day a neurochrio ain’t no D.O.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 19, 2012 9:57 AM EST up reply actions
It is very difficult for Canadians to understand what DO’s are.
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I didn’t realize an Osteopath was an actual doctor, I’ve been to one before but figured they were something between a registered massage therapist and a Chiropractor.
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I don’t know what their licensing is in Canada. But in the US they have two different types of med schools (to be honest the only reason I know is because I was looking at med school applications and got confused that Americans had two types).
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Yes. Supposedly, the DO schools are rarer and harder to get into. A lot of hospitals in the US are going in the direction of hiring more DOs these days since they combine both the traditional medicine methods and the more natural remedies. There are many other differences, I know. it irks my MD buddy though, who is at UM for med school when I tell him that “I’d prefer a DO” because MDs are “becoming obsolete” (which obviously isn’t true).
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 19, 2012 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
My problem with “nontraditional” or “alternative” medicine is that it exists. Sounds extremist eh?
What I actually mean is that instead of trying to advance it as a seperate field/form of medicine we should be trying to integrate it into “traditional medicine”. There is a lot of legitimate therapies and treatments that exist which should be integrated. As well a lot of people do use alternative thereapies, but because they are afraid their MD will think it is silly they don’t tell them and there can be horrible reactions between alternative and traditional medicines a patient takes.
I actually did my 4th year research project in a ginseng lab looking at anti-oxidant and anti-neoplastic effects of ginseng and copper.
Basically I am a strong believe of the scientific method and if there is a traditional practice that appears to work I want to see it studied and proven as best as possible.
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It must be frustrating to run up against resistance to that kind of scientific study brought on by people who are convinced that you secretly want to prove that it’s all witch-doctory.
Traditional Medicine hasn’t done itself any favours historically with their broad pronouncements that “anything someone else does is bunk!”. Glad to see that there might be some movement to be more inclusive.
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by fair_n_hite_451 on Jan 19, 2012 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
I always thought that the limiting factor for research on traditional medicine was that large corporations cannot get rich from it. If ginseng was proven to be a cancer cure you cannot patent that so big Pharma only loses.
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That is what people want you to believe. But it is nonsense. Homeopathy is a multibillion dollar industry in Canada.
People buy into this if it is “natural” it is safe and not “artificial”. It is all nonsense. One of the three largest ways for a “drug” to be discovered is from a “natural medicine”. The active ingredient is just hten purified.
But yeah “alternative medicines” has many huge companies making fortunes.
Here is 2004 numbers from Health Canada via CBC:
Health Canada says $4.3 billion was spent on natural health products in 2004.
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Oh I don’t question the billions people spend on homeopathic treatments. People will pay serious money on natural medicine if there is no risk and a potential upside (My family is an example).
My point was, is the same amount of money spent on research to prove the effectiveness or ineffectiveness of homeopathic medicine as that of western medicine and drugs?
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Also supplements aren't regulated... like at all.
For example, in the US, a natural supplement that claims it contains ginseng doesn’t actually have to contain ginseng… So it’s even worse than not working, they can blatantly lie about the contents of their products.
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This is a huge fallacy
if there is no risk and a potential upside
There is plenty of risk both from not seeking traditional medicine, and from actual harm and side effects.
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And yes
“Natural medicine” is getting more and more money each day and is succesfully advertising itself as “not the man”
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it’s the same reason conspiracy theories are doign so well today. Basically, people think they are so much fucking smarter than professionals, and their own stupidity blinds them to the fact that maybe other people know more about something than them. I hate conspiracy nuts so much, and I loop people who believe in homeopathy into that because they often claim real medical professionals are out to get them (except that proper double blind tests, and of course basic science, tell us that homeopathy = placebo effect)
by Goosemonster on Jan 19, 2012 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
To be fair, pharmaceutical companies really do often behave in sketchy ways and are generally only concerned with finding cures or treatments to the degree that they believe it will make them more profitable. The problem is in assuming anyone who isn’t with a pharmaceutical company must be better simply because they aren’t with a pharmaceutical company.
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by Draglikepull on Jan 19, 2012 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
Also they have an annoying habit of trying to invent cures for diseases that weren’t a problem.
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that wasn’t the medical field, that was advertisers.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 19, 2012 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
are you saying ED isn’t a real disease?
this guy would like a word with you.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 19, 2012 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
but not public money. i don’t think…
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 19, 2012 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
maybe i’m wrong about that.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 19, 2012 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
But a lot of Pubic money if you know what I mean
#rimshot
by WizardofNaz on Jan 19, 2012 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
I heard viagra came out of a drug trial for a heart medication. The side effect was lots of people got boners.
Maybe that’s just a story, dunno.
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The unfortunate reality is that drug companies are responsible to their shareholders to generate profit.
Maybe the silver lining is that selling a ton of boner pills lets them fund other research hopefully.
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Also our perceptions of what drug companies focus on is probably skewed by their advertising.
Nobody advertises brain cancer drugs because if you need them you’ll know.
They advertise viagra and cialis because a lot of guys have the problem and might be too embarassed to talk to their doctor. Same thing with hair growth drugs.
Not to give drug companies a free pass, there’s a lot to dislike there.
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I heard this as well.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 19, 2012 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
It is true. It was developed to be an antihypertensive medication (lower blood pressure by causing blood vessel to dilate). It turned out that the dilation was occuring primarily in the penis.
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I believe the technical term is “dong”
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by Chemmy on Jan 19, 2012 12:30 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Schlong.
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“Implant.”
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by not norm ullman on Jan 19, 2012 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
Actually it is not so much that they are trying to invent cures, but that they get these random “side effects” when studying potential drugs. Than they make it into a problem.
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First of all, I am not a homeopathic bandwagonner or a conspiracy nut (not that I think you called me one)
And I do agree that there are way too many people who are too extreme regarding homeopathic medicine.
But I do disagree with
basic science, tell us that homeopathy = placebo effect
I have no doubt that this may be true in many if not most cases but I find it hard to belive that only synthetic drugs can cure things and nothing found in nature can’t.
What I would love is to see each and everyone of the homeopathic medicines and treatments require the same testing and research as WM drugs. I would love to be able to know that a homeoppathic drug or treatment has been proven or disproven scientifically
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Homeopathy isn’t all non-scientific medicine, it’s a very specific kind that involves treatments that are made up primarily of water. And it doesn’t work.
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by Draglikepull on Jan 19, 2012 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
Some are found in nature and some are synthetic. I don’t understand the point of the question.
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by Draglikepull on Jan 19, 2012 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
uh, can I not ask a question because I legitimately want to know the answer?
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I’m not assuming anything. I was hoping to give a more detailed answer but I couldn’t because I wasn’t sure why the question was being asked.
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by Draglikepull on Jan 19, 2012 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
WAYFO?
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 19, 2012 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
Techinically there aren’t really. They take a traditional medicine and dilute it until there is nothing left.
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I apologize, misread it.
I am guessing you mean “traditional” medicines (don’t have time to go into to much detail have to leave in a few). Five main methods:
1) Natural product is found to have an effect. Compounds in natural product are isolated to find the specific one.
2) Drug is already used for something and found to have side effects. Attempt to figure out how that happens.
3) Have a molecule that already works. Try to adjust the molecule to make it work better (find the exact part that works).
+ 2 newish ones.
4) With increased understanding of molecular targets design a drug for the actual target
5) take natural hormones/elements and synthetically produce them for people who have a lack or something.
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Anywho
This whole thread is interesting, but I am leaving now. Enjoy guys and gals.
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Do you know what homeopathic drugs are? It does not mean alternative drugs.
Homeopathic drugs are drugs that have been serially diluted until there is no drug left and they have just left their “essence” in the water.
So if you are making that last paragraph about “nontraditional drugs” I agree with you completely.
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“I’ve got a degree in Homeopathic Medicine!”
“You’ve got a degree in baloney”
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 19, 2012 12:18 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Or they’ll take a component of a drug and use that instead of the full combo that the pharm came up with.
“this root has a high concentration of _ which is the main ingredient in __ so it will obviously have the same affect with no side effects”
err…what about the other 14 ingredients that make up the other medicine?
by WizardofNaz on Jan 19, 2012 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
there’s a book called “Bad Science” released recently by a Guardian science reporter (who is a doctor). He exposes things like homeopathy as nonsense, explains double blind tests (critical to evaluating these things) and also talks about the sketchy things pharmaceutical companeis do.
One can question big pharma and still point out that homeopathy is complete nonsense. That’s not an opinion, that’s an objective assertion backed by scientific study.
by Goosemonster on Jan 19, 2012 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
You know what they would call alternative medicine if it actually worked?
Medicine.
At least it's not Lebda.
by Nifty Mittens on Jan 19, 2012 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
Even if the cure for a disease was “drink water” they could package it, add something fancy that did nothing and bill you for it.
Everything can be marketed and sold.
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Packaging tap water is a multi million dollar industry at this point.
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billion. with a B.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 19, 2012 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
Well, duh. Billion with an M would just be million.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 19, 2012 3:58 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
“Fiji bottled water” $4 for 500ML
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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Now I know what to drink.
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by Nifty Mittens on Jan 19, 2012 4:00 PM EST up reply actions
My grandmother had a rootcellar filled with every herb imaginable. Whenever I got sick, she used some combination and cured me pretty quickly. My grandmother herself never got sick, ever.
I have lots of respect for naturalized medicine and such. The problem isn’t the naturalized part but the commercialized part.
if your grandmother had commercialized those remedies (and presumably she would have made a fortune doing so) does it somehow reduce the efficacy of them?
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 19, 2012 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
Funnily enough, for a little while she had a sort of side business where she bartered her remedies for services (snow ploughing, wood delivery and the like). She never thought it right to actually sell echinacea for money because it grew for free literally everywhere. All she did was dry it out and make some sort of solution.
Maybe it’s just the idealist in me, but if someone were to go and sell her old stock for $20 a bottle, I’d want to call it a scam. The primary motivation is now making money, not helping the patient. Maybe that’s just a product of my upbringing,
then give it away for free. my point is, if it were really so effective, why isn’t everyone using these methods?
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 19, 2012 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
Honestly, I don’t know. I found this fairly easy. Echinacea: general cure-all, fell out of use with the advent of antibiotics.
Actually, one guess: more and more people live in the city, so they can’t pick the herbs themselves. Buying the herbs can be risky, expensive and not very useful if you don’t know what you are doing. Much easier to just pop a pill.
but pills work. just that, some of them work better than others (including echinacea).
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 19, 2012 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
See: my signature.
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by Draglikepull on Jan 19, 2012 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
Again, I agree
I should have stated when people perceive that there is no risk whether or not one exists.
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Scientific medicine has made use of “traditional” techniques for centuries. Vaccines, for example, were discovered by people working on farms and then adopted into scientific medicine later.
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by Draglikepull on Jan 19, 2012 11:08 AM EST up reply actions
Aspirin comes from native americans who chewed tree bark containing aspirin, etc.
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yes but synthesized aspirin with added ingredients beyond whats found in the bark is much more effective.
by WizardofNaz on Jan 19, 2012 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
Sure, but “normal mainstream medicine” incorporates discoveries from “traditional” medicine if they can be proven effective is all I’m saying.
That’s why a lot of people are wary of “traditional” medicine, I think.
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what those people don’t understand is that it’s the ‘proven effective’ part that is important. there are a lot of traditional medicine ‘remedies’ that amount to nothing more than placebo.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 19, 2012 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
This sums up everything that has been said.
At least it's not Lebda.
by Nifty Mittens on Jan 19, 2012 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
bookmarked. that looks great.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 19, 2012 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
I also mentioned a book above called “Bad Science” that’s really interesting as well. Helps give you some basic scientific literacy when it comes to media claims about a particular study’s findings.
by Goosemonster on Jan 19, 2012 1:49 PM EST up reply actions
On the same topic, has anyone watched Penn and Tellers Bullshit?
At least it's not Lebda.
by Nifty Mittens on Jan 19, 2012 1:55 PM EST up reply actions
Now there’s a show that doesn’t have much respect for the scientific method.
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by Draglikepull on Jan 19, 2012 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
yes. the first few seasons were quite good.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 19, 2012 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
ok, i’ve watched that clip twice now. it’s fantastic! thanks for sharing.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 19, 2012 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
placebos even work when people know they are placebos.
by Goosemonster on Jan 19, 2012 9:45 AM EST up reply actions
but sugar pills cary 0 risk of giving your permanent spinal chord damage or aneurism .
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 19, 2012 9:50 AM EST up reply actions
sure, and I agree there’s chiropractors that do all sorts of wishy-washy things, but not all of them, and some of them can really help people with specific injuries.
by Goosemonster on Jan 19, 2012 9:52 AM EST up reply actions
ive never met one of the kind you speak of.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 19, 2012 9:54 AM EST up reply actions
Well if in your world travels you’ve never come across one, then I’m all but certain they cannot exist.
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I’ve never seen a big foot, therefore it can not exist.
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no one has ever seen a bigfoot.
if anyone finds me a chiropractor who’s not either a bit of a liar, or partially mis-informed about the science of his/her profession, I"ll give you $20.
If you find me a bigfoot instead I’ll up it to $25.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 19, 2012 9:59 AM EST up reply actions
uh, people have seen bigfoot.
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cocaine is a hell of a drug
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 19, 2012 10:01 AM EST up reply actions
its called acid
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 19, 2012 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
Many people would make exactly the same statement about regular “doctors”, what with overprescribing meds, taking kickbacks from pharma companies, etc.
I’ve had positive experiences from all chiropractors I’ve ever used … but my father was in the profession, so I had a pretty good guide as to what to trust them for and what to tell them to “step off” about as well.
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by fair_n_hite_451 on Jan 19, 2012 10:03 AM EST up reply actions
Child Psychiatrists are awful for over medicating the youth of today. They hand out Ritalin like pop rocks.
by WizardofNaz on Jan 19, 2012 10:06 AM EST up reply actions
That is not child psychiatrists, it is mostly pediatricians.
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stupid jerks and their “we only take newborns” policies.
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Are you having a problem finding a paediatrician for your kids? That sucks
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we were for a while after we moved and left ours in toronto.
got a Family doctor pretty quickly though, the city actually helps to arrange that by keeping a weekly updated list of dr’s taking new patients.
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oh, for sure. doctors CAN be just as bad. but I take issue with ‘alternative medicine’ precisely because it tends to steer people away from evidenced-based medicine.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 19, 2012 10:08 AM EST up reply actions
Oh I hate alternative medicine as well, but I consider a good chiropractor to be closer (not equal) to real medicine than say, homeopathic promoters (who are what I would like to call con artists)
by Goosemonster on Jan 19, 2012 10:09 AM EST up reply actions
On this, we can agree.
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by fair_n_hite_451 on Jan 19, 2012 10:10 AM EST up reply actions
my mother in law believes them and other nonsense. I feel so sorry for the intellectually challenged.
by Goosemonster on Jan 19, 2012 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
No dissin’ the homeos.
I shot a moose once, in upstate New York.
by not norm ullman on Jan 19, 2012 10:20 AM EST up reply actions
Oh I’ll be dissin those fools. I can’t even pity them, since they just steal people’s money by lying to them.
by Goosemonster on Jan 19, 2012 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
You are also assuming that there wasn’t a slight issue with his spine as well that was causing balance issues or headaches. A
by WizardofNaz on Jan 19, 2012 10:13 AM EST up reply actions
we dont actually know all that much about headaches compared to other common problems…./waitsforguytrainingtobeadoctortostepin
by Goosemonster on Jan 19, 2012 10:15 AM EST up reply actions
Chiropractic medicine is not necessarily “alternative medicine”. I have problems when chiropractors try giving advice outside of their expertise (they have a society in Manitoba which recommends against vaccines), but many are very good back specialists.
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by Goosemonster on Jan 19, 2012 10:17 AM EST up reply actions
and realigning your spine can alleviate headaches.. even regular doctors agree
by WizardofNaz on Jan 19, 2012 10:27 AM EST up reply actions
It is illegal to take a “kickback” from a Pharmacompany in Canada. (You can have conferences paid for, free samples, and things like golf balls (and unfortuantely more expensive things like golf games and dinners), but all medical societies/hospitals have strong policies against it).
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Yah but the free swag you can get is insane
by WizardofNaz on Jan 19, 2012 10:27 AM EST up reply actions
It is, but again while it is legal (and some doctors take it). Every professional society and most employers are very strongly against it. For example my med school’s policy is no gifts of any sort for just meeting with a pharm rep, only allowed to have food if it is an event certified through our medical education office, and doctors can’t take samples directly. Samples must be given to administrators who can distribute them to physicians (so that there is no direct relationship between pharm reps and the physicians).
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Its the private physicians that get sucked into the free swag in the end however… Also the psychiatrists are probably the worst when it comes to that. At least the bad ones who feel drugging everyone up is acceptable.
by WizardofNaz on Jan 19, 2012 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
Be careful here in regards to psychiatrists. Mental illness is a horrible thing and the use of medication is a very important part of treatment.
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I agree that there are a lot of people out there who need the help Psychiatrists provide. However there was a study done (its in one of my textbooks for abnormal psych) that upwards or 35% of all people placed on meds by psychiatrists would be fine with just regular therapy no drugs needed. Most of those people were the depression and PSTD patients. Psychiatrists they found have become reliant on meds for treating depression because its easier even though a bunch of people who are depressed don’t have the chemical imbalance, and regular therapy and just someone to talk to (like a psychologist who can’t prescribe meds) would of worked just as well if not better in the long run.
This study was done because of the dependance on meds after a certain amount of time using them and how having someone on anti-depressants for an extended period will cause them to never be able to come off them.
by WizardofNaz on Jan 19, 2012 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
All that being said I can’t say enough about the people out there working to help fix the tragic issues with mental illnesses.
by WizardofNaz on Jan 19, 2012 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
May I see this study and their methodology? Psychiatrists take a lot of shit for that (especially the “easy angle”) but if they were out for the “easy job” they would not have gone into psychiatry from med school (which is neither easy nor high paying (it is one of the lowest paying areas of medicine)).
Further a study like that can prove a lot of stuff in hindsite (a lot of people are treated with things that in hindsight they didn’t need), it doesn’t mean it was a bad decision with the information available at the time to prescribe the medication.
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That sounds like a lot of bullshit to me.
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by theninjagreg on Jan 19, 2012 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
the interesting thing about depressing and PTSD is that some studies indicate currently illicit drugs may help treat them better than current remedies – but because the drugs are currently illegal its near impossible to get funding or permission to study them, especially in North America (in America, if the government thinks you will show a currently illegal drug has potential medical uses they will usually not fund you or give you permission to study it)
by Goosemonster on Jan 19, 2012 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
Most universities also wouldn’t allow you to do studies involving some narcotics on ethics grounds, ie. it is considered unethical to potentially expose people to serious health risks for research purposes.
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by Draglikepull on Jan 19, 2012 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
Indeed, the problem is that the health risks are not aligned with the legality of a substance, largely because currently illicit drugs were made illegal for racist reasons (associated with minority groups, in Canada beginning with the Opium Act targetting Asians)
by Goosemonster on Jan 19, 2012 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
Again untrue.
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Not at all untrue. It’s actually fact.
by Goosemonster on Jan 19, 2012 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
if you were responding to my comment about racism being the original reasons for making current illegal drugs illegal.
by Goosemonster on Jan 19, 2012 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
I studied history of medicine a bit in university, and from what I know I would definitely say that the direction of Canada’s drug laws has been heavily shaped by racism.
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by Draglikepull on Jan 19, 2012 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
WAsn’t responding to that part.
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This isn’t true. My lab for example was doing THC research.
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It’s certainly not impossible, but the government in the US claims marijuana has no medical value (unlike in Canada), while simultaneously promoting synthetic THC pills, it boggles the mind.
by Goosemonster on Jan 19, 2012 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
… was doing?
But then they all got kind of mellow, ate cheetos and just couldn’t get up off the couch?
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by fair_n_hite_451 on Jan 19, 2012 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
I remember they tracked down the guy in that suit, it was hilariosu he claimed it wasnt him but he walked EXACTLY like the “bigfoot” in the video. Oh the things crazy people will believe.
by Goosemonster on Jan 19, 2012 10:04 AM EST up reply actions
My brother-in-law would fall into that category. He has plenty of problems with others in his profession.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 19, 2012 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
good on him.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 19, 2012 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
Also FWIW lots of people at his school were attending Med School after finishing there.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 19, 2012 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
see, that just confuses me.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 19, 2012 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
I think Bigfoot is blurry, that’s the problem. It’s not the photographer’s fault. Bigfoot is blurry, and that’s extra scary to me. There’s a large, out-of-focus monster roaming the countryside. Run, he’s fuzzy, get out of here.
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by Draglikepull on Jan 19, 2012 10:09 AM EST up reply actions
all right
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by Chuck Diesel on Jan 19, 2012 10:10 AM EST up reply actions
There are many legitimate well trained chiropractors out there. In Canada at least, the problem is there lack of an intense regulatory college.
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isnt’ there like 2 chiro colleges in all of Canada?
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by MapleLeafMole on Jan 19, 2012 10:26 AM EST up reply actions
preach it brother.
"I will actually score as many times as Kulemin assists me."
-Mikhail Grabovski
by MapleLeafMole on Jan 19, 2012 9:57 AM EST up reply actions
Alright, fine. I’ll stop trying to be sarcastic
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by T is for Truculence on Jan 19, 2012 9:42 AM EST up reply actions
Phew
Fortunately Florida lost last night to Colorado meaning the playoff bubble remains around 93.
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93 = Doug Gilmour = PLAYOFFS!!!1
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by Shield on Jan 19, 2012 9:37 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
If the barrier moves up to 99 does that mean we’ll get high-sticked in the face?
by Chi-town leafs on Jan 19, 2012 10:01 AM EST up reply actions
Probably.
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In short, Fuck Kerry Fraser
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by fair_n_hite_451 on Jan 19, 2012 10:03 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Interesting
The star comes up with alumni team lines for next year
http://www.thestar.com/sports/article/1117733—who-would-you-pick-for-the-maple-leafs-red-wings-alumni-game?bn=1
One issue: Fuck Glenn Healy
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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would become the only person to be booed while playing on an alumni team
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one thing i don’t like is that the alumni game is said to be at a stadium with 60,000 less seats.
so WC ticket doesn’t = Alumni ticket this time?
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Is that what they do? I was hoping the tickets were done totally separate so those who can’t get WC tickets can at least go to the Alumni game.
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i think this year you had to buy alumni tickets with your WC seats. probably be sold seperately next year.
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I think the deal here is that Ilitch wanted the WC to be held at Comerica Park because he owns it. NHL would definitely want it at the Big House. I believe the NHL is appeasing Ilitch by holding “other” events from that weekend at Comerica.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 19, 2012 10:04 AM EST up reply actions
Wendel Clark has received the first ever misconduct penalty given to a player in an Alumni game, as he has just started a fight with Glen Healy during warmups.
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by Draglikepull on Jan 19, 2012 9:50 AM EST up reply actions
That’s all it’ll take for Glenn Healy to get injured
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by LeafFan1989 on Jan 19, 2012 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
Healy can dress but he needs to sit on the bench like he did for most of his career.
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by JeanValjean on Jan 19, 2012 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
it’ll just give him more of a chance to say shit like ‘back when i was playing with Mats Sundin…’
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 19, 2012 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
O_O
No Potvin?
No Tucker?
Ron Wilson???
What a troll of an article.
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Technically Tucker is a “current” Leaf.
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by Draglikepull on Jan 19, 2012 9:50 AM EST up reply actions
Exactly, 1 million for one game better get us some goals. I think he’s also an “ambassador” or something, as he was coaching at Leafs Nation Fan Night.
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If he’s our Ambassador to Crazy-land, can we send him to help train Rad Boss?
by Goosemonster on Jan 19, 2012 9:54 AM EST up reply actions
it would be something, but i doubt Gordie Howe would be on the roster.
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He’d be a ceremonial member.
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Reg Wings have a short bench, we’ll win for sure.
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Gordie Howe and Bower should start the game with a penalty shot.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Jan 19, 2012 9:57 AM EST up reply actions
1st alumni game resulting in 2 broken hips on the same play?
by Chi-town leafs on Jan 19, 2012 10:03 AM EST up reply actions
Healy over Potvin? idiotic.
Dave Keon? Wishful thinking.
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by Chuck Diesel on Jan 19, 2012 9:55 AM EST up reply actions
I’d like to see a line of Cox, Working Class Howard and Simmons play the Detroit media. But they can’t wear helmets.
I’d like to see cox, howard and simmons dropped in the middle of Detroit at 1am wearing nothing but ‘fuck detroit’ t-shirts.
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by Chuck Diesel on Jan 19, 2012 10:12 AM EST up reply actions
… what’s Jeremy Irons doing these days, I feel like we could use his “Die Hard with a Vengence” experience
by Chi-town leafs on Jan 19, 2012 10:13 AM EST up reply actions
watching Portsmouth try to come back to the premiership
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by Chuck Diesel on Jan 19, 2012 10:20 AM EST up reply actions
… my dad (and by extension me) is a huge West Ham fan from growing up in that area… I’m still watching and hoping that they make it back
by Chi-town leafs on Jan 19, 2012 10:26 AM EST up reply actions
your dad is a green street hooligan?
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by Chuck Diesel on Jan 19, 2012 10:27 AM EST up reply actions
… maybe…
I went to a game with him once in Birmingham… and the bus we were on with other West Ham fans got a police escort in, and after the game they used riot police to keep us away from Birmingham fans… and there were still 3-4 big fights
by Chi-town leafs on Jan 19, 2012 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
yeah and in the ACC you get warned if you yell lol. I grew up in Yugoslavia. I begged my dad to take me to Red Star – Partizan games but he actually loves me and wants me to live so he didn’t let me go.
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by Chuck Diesel on Jan 19, 2012 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
Oh god that would have been fun.
Yeah attending that game and getting to sing all the really profane songs was probably the most fun I’ve ever had at a sporting event… we were right next to the barrier between the Home and Away fans… and the things yelled back and forth were hilarious
by Chi-town leafs on Jan 19, 2012 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
I bet. I’d love to see a premiership game live. I’ve only been to Yugo games when I was a kid and inadvertently saw an Iran Iraq friendly at varsity stadium here where I thought the stadium was going to collapse.
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by Chuck Diesel on Jan 19, 2012 10:37 AM EST up reply actions
Iran Iraq friendly
that might be the biggest oxymoron I’ve ever heard
by Chi-town leafs on Jan 19, 2012 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
seriously lol Sadaam and Ayatollah sharing a coca-cola
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by Chuck Diesel on Jan 19, 2012 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
I went to a Leafs rookie game at the JLC in London last season and we were getting in a lot of trouble for yelling. I’ve never had a problem at the ACC though. I was at a Marlies game a few weeks back and sitting on the glass and the drunken idiots beside us were banging on the glass and shaking it non-stop (for no apparent reason), really would have liked an usher or someone to tell them to stop.
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I’m trying not to make jokes about the situation but seriously, how fucked does a soccer game have to be when I read
I grew up in Yugoslavia. I begged my dad to take me to Red Star – Partizan games but he actually loves me and wants me to live so he didn’t let me go.To me that just sounds like
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uh there was no war. This was in the 80’s. And the war wasn’t in Belgrade anyway.
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by Chuck Diesel on Jan 19, 2012 2:09 PM EST up reply actions
True Story
On a local radio station they wanted to prove the stereotype wrong about Detroit being dangerous by sending out an intern(?) downtown one night with a $100 bill and asking if someone on the street could “give him change for the $100”. It was live on the radio and you could hear the conversation:
“Hey buddy, can you break a hundred from me?”
Other person (most likely hobo): “Yeah sure, I got some change for you!”
(scuffling sounds, yelling)
Radio station breaks for commerical
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 19, 2012 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
As God is my witness, I thought turkeys could fly!
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by fair_n_hite_451 on Jan 19, 2012 10:50 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
WKRP’d
"They build a statue, they knock it down and piss on it, and now they will be out there building it again."
by ThickSkinnedAlive on Jan 19, 2012 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
If we're breaking up Kessel and Lupul..
which I don’t really agree with; but if there had to be a new first line I’d love to the re-uniting of Kulemin-Bozak-Kessel. Lupul-Connolly-Kadri looks pretty good as a 2nd line and then maybe MacA-Grabovski-Lombardi/Crabb or something as the 3rd line.
by scott tubbesing on Jan 19, 2012 9:54 AM EST reply actions
I think its possible they’re breaking them up partly becauset they’re a complete defensive liability together.
by Goosemonster on Jan 19, 2012 9:55 AM EST up reply actions
Lupul connolly and kadri are still gonna be a liability
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I cringe everytime he gets hit or bumps into someone, yeah. but it may be he has temporarily passed on the boneitis virus to Armstrong.
by Goosemonster on Jan 19, 2012 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
It’s highly contagious so who knows where it originated. Coliacovo and Van Ryn were both known carriers, but there are others in the league. I don’t know if we have independent confirmation, but Hemsky may have it as well.
by Goosemonster on Jan 19, 2012 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
Pronger tooo
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Jan 19, 2012 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
He has his moments, but Lupul and Kadri are not. The only tme they should take a def zone faceoff is if they ice the puck
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For that reason I think this could work
Kulemin-Bozak-Kessel
MacArthur-Grabovski-Kadri
Lupul-Connolly-Lombardi
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I’d be really interested in seeing any past statistics for Kessel and Kulemin on the same line. It sounds good on paper.
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by JeanValjean on Jan 19, 2012 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
Leafs-Red Wings? This hardly qualifies as a 'Winter Classic'
http://www.vancouversun.com/life/Leafs+Wings+This+hardly+qualifies+Winter+Classic/6015953/story.html
And let’s face it: the Leafs have been so long out of the loop as an actual hockey-playing force, it’s hard to imagine a large chunk of America’s sports viewing public turning eagerly to a match that features a team that last won the Cup when most TVs were still black and white.
Still, it’ll be big in Leaf Nation. If the Ann Arbor News is to be believed, the deal involving the NHL, the Red Wings and the U of Michigan is done, though the league, not wishing to have its thunder stolen, officially denies all.
But soon enough, the announcement will be made and Winter Classic merchandise can go on the shelves in Toronto, allowing Maple Leaf fans to start getting nostalgic about the old days when hockey was played outdoors.
Not by any player in the league today, or even by many in the generation before them, but you know, by the guys who won the ’67 Cup. When they were kids.
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I hope YouTube comes down to film this.
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Come get your duds in order 'cuz we're bound to cross the water, HEAVE AWAY, me jollies, HEAVE AWAY -- There's a Loblaws on Carelton?!
That soft goal gave me a hard Colboner...
strange thing is, it’s not park of the Sun newspaper chain.
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It’s got the Sun chain stink on it though
by Goosemonster on Jan 19, 2012 10:19 AM EST up reply actions
The ’67 cup is better than the no cup.
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by BCapp on Jan 19, 2012 10:20 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Cam Neely
Mark Messier
Todd Bertuzzi
keep on rioting fellas.
I used to love the Leafs... I still do... but I used to, too.
by Chuck Diesel on Jan 19, 2012 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
hey remember when
the canucks won the stanley cup in game seven last year on bizarro earth? do you remember that vancouver sun? do you remember when people happily cheered on the victors after the game, and didn’t riot?
Bizzaro earth Vancouver is pretty cool. They have no heroin or serial killers and the canucks players take the refs out to dinner after every game.
I used to love the Leafs... I still do... but I used to, too.
by Chuck Diesel on Jan 19, 2012 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
Wasn’t the summit series game in Vancouver when all the fans started booing team Canada? 40 years later, nothing’s changed.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 19, 2012 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
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WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAtimetoburnsomecarsAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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JC. Sounds like it could’ve been written by that asshole Pratt.
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by JeanValjean on Jan 19, 2012 10:57 AM EST up reply actions
Just mad because the canucks will NEVER get to play in a winter classic game. NEVER.
by Tickle Me Aulie on Jan 19, 2012 1:22 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Partially because they don’t really have winter….
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by fair_n_hite_451 on Jan 19, 2012 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
But mostly because no one would care…
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by fair_n_hite_451 on Jan 19, 2012 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
This team confuses me.
http://espn.go.com/nhl/statistics/team/_/stat/special-teams/sort/penaltyKillPct/split/45
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I hope YouTube comes down to film this.
second least penalized team
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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Wilson: Okay team, here are the plans for a good power play…
/two months later
Wilson: The powerplay is fine, but our penalty kill is bloody awful.
Cronin: What is your solution?
Wilson: We need to stop getting penalized!
Cronin: I’ll get right on it!
Dion: How about improving our PK strategy?
Wilson: Greg, get the rope!
/two weeks later
Wilson: WHY CAN’T EVERYTHING WORK AT ONCE!!?
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Makes more sense when you sort it like this.
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by Bower Power on Jan 19, 2012 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
the PP in Dec was pretty bad as well…
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 19, 2012 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
something i didnt know, matt frattin got busted witha d.u.i. and was kicked off his team and lost his scholarship, FRATTIN SMASHED
by power-forward on Jan 19, 2012 10:47 AM EST via Android app reply actions
YOu didn’t know this?
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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And threw a lawn mower out a window.
About time that people finally realized how awesome Gunnar is...
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by BCapp on Jan 19, 2012 10:49 AM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Isn’t his partner in crime now on the Sabres?
by WizardofNaz on Jan 19, 2012 10:57 AM EST up reply actions
Believe it was off the roof of a garage, no?
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 19, 2012 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
and going to a strip club? yes.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 19, 2012 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
You ruined it
He was at a strip club, got drunk, stole a car in the parking lot, and drove it down the street to another strip club.
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Y’know, I was wondering about this story: did they leave the keys in the car, or did Rosehill hotwire a car while drunk? I mean, that’d be a little impressive.
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if he did hotwire it, maybe he can hotwire Lindstrom to either play for us or stop playing so well for Detroit.
by Goosemonster on Jan 19, 2012 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
He’s thinking of Gunnnnnarsson.
I shot a moose once, in upstate New York.
by not norm ullman on Jan 19, 2012 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
no Gustavsson. What a save by Gunnarsson! And now Gustavsson carriers the puck up the zone….
by Goosemonster on Jan 19, 2012 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
The Welsh version is Llidstrom.
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by Draglikepull on Jan 19, 2012 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
coincidentally, some guy named Lindstrom was just traded to Florida.
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by Self Destructive Zones on Jan 19, 2012 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
Across the street to another strip club. He wasn’t charged because the owner got his car back and that’s how it works in small towns with a Junior team.
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You live under a rock or something?
by Tickle Me Aulie on Jan 19, 2012 1:25 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Cheer up guys
I know the Leafs haven’t been doing great as of late, but here’s some good news: the Leafs all-time record when I am in attendance is 7-2-1. I’ll be there tonight.
99% of player salaries are payed out to only 1% of players. #OccupyNHL
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I was 5-0-1 until Tuesday night….soooo
Come get your duds in order 'cuz we're bound to cross the water, HEAVE AWAY, me jollies, HEAVE AWAY -- There's a Loblaws on Carelton?!
That soft goal gave me a hard Colboner...
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by LeafFan1989 on Jan 19, 2012 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
Cheer up guys
the leafs have lost three games in a row…. which sucks butttt… it could be worse… we could be…. BUFFALO! i’ve been over at diebytheblade and it’s a friggin ghost-town on that site…. where did those sabres fans go? suddenly they’re not broadcast on tv and so all of their fans have dissolved? go over to dbtb for some lolz.
… Incorrect.
OPERATION TANK IS A GO. It’s the only explanation for Mike Weber. He’s on a secret mission.
Buffalo has only won four games in the past month, but two of them were against the Leafs.
OPERATION TANK IS A GO. It’s the only explanation for Mike Weber. He’s on a secret mission.
haha
the leafs have ALWAYS had problems playing buffalo! come join me at diebytheblade ubiquitous… let’s get some sabres chatter going (i’m a leafs fan living in buffalo)… that forum place is vacant!
And the Leafs beat the Sabres twice as well.
I’m convinced it’ll be a 3-3 series split where the home team wins every game. The Leafs are generally outplaying the Sabres but can’t buy a win in Buffalo.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Jan 19, 2012 1:04 PM EST up reply actions
darn right!
the leafs have been beating the sabres quite soundly (just not as often when they play IN buffalo)
holy shit.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 19, 2012 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
He looks like Prince Zuko from Avatar
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by SkinnyFish on Jan 19, 2012 1:04 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Rec’d for Avatar.
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by Draglikepull on Jan 19, 2012 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
he ain’t pretty no more.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 19, 2012 1:03 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Now’s he’s a double threat: good looking and has “battle scars”. Chicks love it!
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 19, 2012 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
Not to mention the boatloads of money he’ll be making in the future.
So, apparently I can now be followed.. but no stalking. @alsonamedphil
…compared to the chicken scratch he’s making today?
(I’d take that 900K a year any day)
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 19, 2012 2:26 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, but there’s well off, then there is stinking rich.
So, apparently I can now be followed.. but no stalking. @alsonamedphil
900,000 is pretty stinking rich. Sure, millions upon millions – even billions would be really filthy rich, but lets be honest just about no one gets up that high. Statistically insignficant.
by Goosemonster on Jan 19, 2012 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
compared to the global population, obviously.
by Goosemonster on Jan 19, 2012 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
I always put it in perspective. If he got hurt and never played again, making “only” 900K in his career would not be enough to live on the rest of his life. At least not in a middle-class to upper middle class lifestyle
That’d be like 100k a year for 9 years (enough time to find a TV gig a la Mike Johnson) for just one year of service in the league.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 19, 2012 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
So let’s say you’re looking at 500K. You can live off a fraction of that and invest the rest of it. I’m pretty sure this is all explained in Office Space.
In the court of public opinion, Steve Simmons is Lionel Hutz.
I’m sure these guys agents (at least the good ones) make sure their clients are going to the right people to make investments and ensure they have a steady income stream in case anything happens.
by Goosemonster on Jan 19, 2012 2:57 PM EST up reply actions
You can’t live off of 500K unless you’re a genius investor.
$300K for a crummy house, $200k to live off of the rest of your life? Savings accounts pay like 0.5% APY. Enjoy that $5k interest check every year.
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That’s only 15 years salary for the average college grad, and I don’t know many who retire about the age of 37.
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But I know many college grads who live on that until they’re 37 years old. I don’t think the Bag was suggesting living on that for the rest of his life, rather until another source of income is established.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 19, 2012 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
There doesn’t seem to be too many requirements: play second fiddle goalie for most of your career — check!. Hate a team on air because they may or may not have screwed you over for a job as GM (which you didn’t deserve anyways) — check!
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 19, 2012 3:45 PM EST up reply actions
I’ll take 500K of lottery tickets please. This totally can’t fail… bit millions, here I come!
So, apparently I can now be followed.. but no stalking. @alsonamedphil
there are actually some lotteries (or used to be) where if you bought enough of them you were guaranteed to make a profit.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 19, 2012 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
Sounds like banking.
I shot a moose once, in upstate New York.
by not norm ullman on Jan 19, 2012 4:00 PM EST up reply actions
There were some lotteries that you could win whenever you wanted.
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Ontario now has a rock paper scissors lottery.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 19, 2012 4:10 PM EST up reply actions
at least they’re honest.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 19, 2012 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
good ol rock, nothing beats rock!
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 19, 2012 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
Its so dumb.
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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I KNOW, how exactly does rock beat paper?
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 19, 2012 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
sadly no
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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Nope. You play by picking paper/scissors/rock for a set number of times and you win by getting streaks over a random computer choice or something like that. So it sounds good at 1/3 odds, but to win, it decreases 1/9, 1/27, 1/81…
So, apparently I can now be followed.. but no stalking. @alsonamedphil
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 19, 2012 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
Good old rock. Nothing beats rock.
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/raised eyebrow
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 19, 2012 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
Spock beats rock
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by elseldo on Jan 19, 2012 4:17 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
ROCK PAPER SCISSORS LIZARD SPOCK!
If you look up "Loyalty" in the dictionary you'll see a picture of a Leafs fan wearing a Todd Gill jeresy looking like he just got punched in the stomach
People still watch the Big Bang Theory?
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 19, 2012 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
I do. My wife likes it more, and I don’t find it that bad.
by Goosemonster on Jan 19, 2012 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
Of course. Why not?
If you look up "Loyalty" in the dictionary you'll see a picture of a Leafs fan wearing a Todd Gill jeresy looking like he just got punched in the stomach
It’s a network sitcom I didn’t think anyone watched them besides my mom.
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There’s a lot of jokes in there I think most older people wouldn’t get at all.
by Goosemonster on Jan 19, 2012 4:28 PM EST up reply actions
it is reasonably ‘hip’ in that way.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 19, 2012 4:31 PM EST up reply actions
they’re not all Whitney.
besides I thought mom’s watched NCIS and other awful dramas
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by elseldo on Jan 19, 2012 4:31 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Whitney is arguably the worst show I have ever seen
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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Have managed to dodge Whitney, but my roommate watched an episode of “Two Broke Girls” and I quickly grew to despise whoever approved that script.
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Only good thing about 2 broke girls is Kat Dennings. She cant act, she isnt funny. but MAN
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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loved her in Nick & Norah
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 19, 2012 4:40 PM EST up reply actions
it was Whitney.
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by elseldo on Jan 19, 2012 4:43 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
My mother in law LOVES it.
It was good the first few seasons but is just coasting at this point.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 19, 2012 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
yeah i haven’t seen recent episodes, but there are some really funny scenes in the first few seasons.
it gets shitty when it starts to reduce itself to ‘Two and a Half Men’ style comedy
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 19, 2012 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
I really like Community, and I don’t care if there are annoying fans.
by Goosemonster on Jan 19, 2012 4:44 PM EST up reply actions
I agree. While the first season was the best, it’s still good some some laughs every now and then.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 19, 2012 4:47 PM EST up reply actions
i had heard that the development of said movie was….
/puts sunglases on
arrested!
YYYYYEAAAAAAAAAHHHHH
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 19, 2012 4:51 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
300k for a crummy house on Toronto maybe.where I live 300k house end you never have to move again.
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by elseldo on Jan 19, 2012 3:51 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
but i get your point
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by elseldo on Jan 19, 2012 3:51 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
where I live 300k house end you never have to move again.
Where do you live? 1995?
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 19, 2012 3:52 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
However, I get your point. Where I live, 300k would get you a decent house. Nothing to fancy, but nothing to gripe about either. Since the whole “economic downturn”, 300k can now get you a spacious, 3,200sqft + home.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 19, 2012 3:55 PM EST up reply actions
300k in some parts of TO can get you a decnt semi detached. IN some parts it could get you a bathroom
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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300k in the Bay Area is a down payment.
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Yes, the company I used to work for had our divisional headquarters in Santa Clara, very expensive. However, some people had to transfer to Mich. with their jobs and would keep their SC salaries and live it up like kings over here.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 19, 2012 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
St. Catharines. 300k will get you lake front.
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by elseldo on Jan 19, 2012 3:58 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
If you stopped most people from getting paychecks they’d be in trouble. That’s not a whole lot of perspective.
In the court of public opinion, Steve Simmons is Lionel Hutz.
well most hockey players don’t have much else to fall back on… If you lose your job you will most likely be able to find something similar. Hockey doesn’t have any transferable skills really
I’d invest the first 60 grand in a decent college education.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 19, 2012 2:55 PM EST up reply actions
in fairness to athletes, their cost of living is substantially higher than the average joe.(even when they don’t buy million dollar mcmansions) Obviously not 900,000 higher, but its something to take into consideration.
OPERATION TANK IS A GO. It’s the only explanation for Mike Weber. He’s on a secret mission.
Please expand. Because pretty much everything job related is paid for.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 19, 2012 2:52 PM EST up reply actions
If only...
Things like caretakers for their houses (as they frequently go on two-week road trips), personal trainers (i doubt Gary Roberts comes cheap though some team hired him now), vitamin supplements, i still haven’t seen an athlete’s house without expensive gym equipment where they live (even though the team obviously has its own gym.)
OPERATION TANK IS A GO. It’s the only explanation for Mike Weber. He’s on a secret mission.
All optional.
I bet the supplements are available at the arena and when players “forget” they have some in their bag when they leave, the team doesn’t care.
Personal trainer is an optional expense because players can work out alone, with each other or even with their teams strength coaches.
Housekeepers are completely optional because if you live in a decent building/ neighbourhood you should be able to leave for 2 weeks and come back to your stuff still being there.
Also expensive gym equipment is again a completely optional extra expense because a player would rather not leave their house sometimes.
You see, i consider all of those work-related expenses because sports is all about getting ahead.
But yes, people with a lot of money pay more for the same things other people buy.
OPERATION TANK IS A GO. It’s the only explanation for Mike Weber. He’s on a secret mission.
They are all “optional” work related expenses because if you couldn’t afford them, you could still do your job perfectly well. They make your job and life easier but are not necessary to succeed as all are replaced by less convenient but free methods (have to travel to work out, have to clean your own place etc)
I think I’m catching on. Ubiquitous is an elitist who wants the rest of us ’commoners" feeling sorry for him!
/DanEllis’d
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 19, 2012 3:23 PM EST up reply actions
I need the extra money because if I don’t have the extra money how will I have the money to pay for my tiger!
Why would a Philly fan own a tiger?
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 19, 2012 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
because his lion refuses to eat Pittsburgh fans anymore
by WizardofNaz on Jan 19, 2012 3:31 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
See below
…what Wizard says. This is what I wanted to point out: Cause and Effect. Their cost of living is higher because of the money they’re making, not vice versa. I know very good fitness trainers that come a lot cheaper than Roberts (and they may even be better). By now, for someone like Gary, you’re paying for the name. Caretakers are a result of gigantic homes.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 19, 2012 3:04 PM EST up reply actions
their cost of living is higher because they choose for it to be higher. A Maple Leaf could find an apartment in Toronto that a average joe would be able to afford, take the TTC everywhere and he’d actually have a lower cost of living because his food costs would be lower as there is food at the arena and on roadtrips etc.
Wait, how would that lower his food costs? Won’t he still be primarily eating out?
IMO, a professional athlete needs to be extremely careful and picky about what he does with his body. This includes food and exercise. Choosing to not have a personal trainer or correct diet to save a few bucks seems a huge career limiter.
Working out properly and eating right is something that you can figure out how to do on your own (as evidenced by the millions of people around the world who do so). It’s not about paying the right person tons of money. Regardless, I don’t think the fitness related expenses make up the bulk of an athletes expenditures. I’m willing to be it’s more so the Ferraris, Lambos, mansions, yachts, etc.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 19, 2012 3:26 PM EST up reply actions
You have a team hired personal trainer (strength coach) at your arena every day of the year who you can go workout with… you have food provided for you at the arena. Good healthy food. Teams travel with a personal chef usually (I’m told) so players get their pre-game meals they like.
I would bet each player eats at least one meal a day+ snacks for free at the arena.
he was previously pretty?
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I hope YouTube comes down to film this.
by birky on Jan 19, 2012 1:26 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
you leave Mark Messier out of this…
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by fair_n_hite_451 on Jan 19, 2012 1:11 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Young Frankenstein’s Monster?
So, apparently I can now be followed.. but no stalking. @alsonamedphil
‘UTTIN’ ON THE ’IIIIIIIIIIITZZ!
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Save your time and money and don’t see the Broadway show.
It was decidedly meh.
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don’t go to a broadway show, gotcha
/goes to scratch off list
//isnt on list
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 19, 2012 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
there is a spoon though, I have pudding!
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 19, 2012 4:10 PM EST up reply actions
I’m a firm believer in creating your own luck..
If he had been wearing a helmet (with visor), he would have shrugged it off and later talked about how he got “lucky” that didn’t cut his face… instead he’s out for a couple of games…
Changing my "Goat of The Year" player from Armstrong to Kulemin
OH MY GOD LOOK HOW SWOLLEN HIS LIPS ARE!
huh? what do you mean thats the only part of his face that is normal?
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 19, 2012 3:05 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
We’re gonna miss these sorts of comments when you’re gone to Phoenix
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by fair_n_hite_451 on Jan 19, 2012 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
You got drunk and waived it.
I shot a moose once, in upstate New York.
by not norm ullman on Jan 19, 2012 3:59 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
terrible mental image.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 19, 2012 3:59 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
that’s not what she said!
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 19, 2012 4:00 PM EST up reply actions
Didn’t I already mention the low-lifes on this site?
/wellyou’reincluded
I shot a moose once, in upstate New York.
by not norm ullman on Jan 19, 2012 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
Today’s instalment of PPP’s Top 25 Under 25
Greg “Fartface” McKegg comes in at #13.
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he’s a gas
I used to love the Leafs... I still do... but I used to, too.
by Chuck Diesel on Jan 19, 2012 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
burst out laughing at fartface.
Hope that nickname sticks.
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spekaign of names, this guy has a hell of a name.
if he was a character in a fantasy novel i’d call laziness on the part of the author
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At uni, I started talking with someone and he said his name was Phoenix. I started laughing and said, “No, really, what’s your name?” Turns out it really was Phoenix. No, we never talked again.
At uni, a girl named Bambi angrily corrected me when I accidentally called her “Barbie”. I completely failed to calm her down by responding, “What difference does it make?”
same for me. I called a girl a work “Jemimah” when her name was “Jemilah”. Didn’t go over too well.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 19, 2012 2:53 PM EST up reply actions
There were twins on my floor who were named Carina and Camina… and they were identical… how was I supposed to cope
Camina is the one that looks like a truck.
I used to love the Leafs... I still do... but I used to, too.
by Chuck Diesel on Jan 19, 2012 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
this is so weird. In 7th grade a girl named Jamila was really mad about being teased cuz other girls called her Aunt Jemima
I used to love the Leafs... I still do... but I used to, too.
by Chuck Diesel on Jan 19, 2012 3:01 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I left the part out where I added the “Aunt” infront of “Jemima”.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 19, 2012 3:06 PM EST up reply actions
When first dating my wife, accidentally called her by a different name when I wasn’t thinking. When she ask, “and who’s that?” I responded, “Other girlfriend. Not nearly as good looking as you and really gets angry over stupid little things like slips of the tongue. Considering dumping her to date you full time.”
Went over surprisingly well.
So, apparently I can now be followed.. but no stalking. @alsonamedphil
Welcome to the Wiserhood.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 19, 2012 4:01 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
amazing
I used to love the Leafs... I still do... but I used to, too.
by Chuck Diesel on Jan 19, 2012 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
my wife had a dream early in our relationship about me having a second girlfriend, which we continue to use as a joke these days every now and then.
by Goosemonster on Jan 19, 2012 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
and you laugh nervously every time it comes up in conversation because it’s true?
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 19, 2012 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
no, I’d take my gal over any other in the world.
by Goosemonster on Jan 19, 2012 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
Oh I get it
/winkwink
she posts on here, doesn’t she?
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 19, 2012 4:51 PM EST up reply actions
he wore 69 with Erie, don’t know if he does with London
Resident teetotaler married to a habs fan. Who is also not a fan of most dogs.
he’s 92 with London.
they probably pulled some kind if “this is a classy organization” crap to keep him from wearing 69.
Resident teetotaler married to a habs fan. Who is also not a fan of most dogs.
69 is totally classy. Sharing is caring.
by Goosemonster on Jan 19, 2012 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
I know I’m way late but I just realized I get to possibly see Wendel Clark skate in a Leafs uniform in 11.5 months.
My k7eueyboard isssssssss sh0r84t curciuting .drooooooooooooooooool
I used to love the Leafs... I still do... but I used to, too.
you can see it tomorrow night if you wanna go to Hamilton, he’s playing with Gilmour in the leafs/habs alumni game.
Resident teetotaler married to a habs fan. Who is also not a fan of most dogs.
what? You are awesome! Wendel Clark cuts through my laziness.
I used to love the Leafs... I still do... but I used to, too.
by Chuck Diesel on Jan 19, 2012 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
outdoors too, so a preview of next year (but the roster isn’t as awesome as it would be in detroit)
Resident teetotaler married to a habs fan. Who is also not a fan of most dogs.
It’s all good. I’m going to bring my 22 year old Gary Leeman autograph over there and have him autograph the other side.
I used to love the Leafs... I still do... but I used to, too.
by Chuck Diesel on Jan 19, 2012 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
wait Ron Wilson is playing for the Habs alumni? Is that our Ron Wilson?
I used to love the Leafs... I still do... but I used to, too.
by Chuck Diesel on Jan 19, 2012 1:44 PM EST up reply actions
Leafs play greatest game of the season against Minnesota after Wilson fails to show up in preparation for his alumni game
by Goosemonster on Jan 19, 2012 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
nevermind I didn’t know there was a 2nd ron wilson who played in the NHL at the same time as our Ron Wilson
I used to love the Leafs... I still do... but I used to, too.
by Chuck Diesel on Jan 19, 2012 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
no he never played for the Habs.
After his successful college career, he was drafted by the Toronto Maple Leafs of the National Hockey League in the 1975 NHL Entry Draft in the eighth round. He played only parts of 3 seasons with the Maple Leafs before spending six years in Switzerland, playing for EHC Kloten and HC Davos of Nationalliga A. He returned to the NHL in 1985 and played three seasons with the Minnesota North Stars before retiring as a player in 1988.
Resident teetotaler married to a habs fan. Who is also not a fan of most dogs.
Mystery?
I used to love the Leafs... I still do... but I used to, too.
by Chuck Diesel on Jan 19, 2012 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
On the HPU's Facebook page, they have a picture of Hall's face
Me: The only thing that looks cooler than skating in warmups without a helmet, is having a big ass scar on your face for the rest of your life. Great job!
Some Tard: Dude fuck that. Ppl have been doing it for years! One freak accident shouldn’t change it. They used to play without buckets
Me again: Yeah and it only took the death of a player on the ice and 11 years later until helmets were mandatory. But damn that flowing hair looked cool as hell eh? Please.
The First Certified Grabbo Lover
I dunno Craig MacTavish was by far the coolest looking dude on the ice late in his career
The Roar of the Masses Could be Farts.
by Self Destructive Zones on Jan 19, 2012 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
races that crash into the end boards for an icing call are cool too
Resident teetotaler married to a habs fan. Who is also not a fan of most dogs.
Nothing more exiting
The Roar of the Masses Could be Farts.
by Self Destructive Zones on Jan 19, 2012 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
or exciting, as the English say.
The Roar of the Masses Could be Farts.
by Self Destructive Zones on Jan 19, 2012 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
I think you had it right the first time
exiting… their careers
unless you tune into Auto Racing to watch drivers die. Now there’s some good old-fashioned clean fun. People on TV dying and getting massive injuries? HELL YES.
I used to love the Leafs... I still do... but I used to, too.
by Chuck Diesel on Jan 19, 2012 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
I’m actually a fairly big Auto Racing fan. Nothing maybe makes me sicker than watching a man (or potentially a woman) die in a crash.
The Roar of the Masses Could be Farts.
by Self Destructive Zones on Jan 19, 2012 2:09 PM EST up reply actions
Well I had a fav driver in each series when I was younger. Ayrton Senna, Greg Moore and Dale Earnhardt. I stopped watching after Earnhardt. I felt I was a curse.
I used to love the Leafs... I still do... but I used to, too.
by Chuck Diesel on Jan 19, 2012 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
I was a bit young to really get the gravity of Senna (although I remember watching that race somehow) but Moore completely broke my heart.
The Roar of the Masses Could be Farts.
by Self Destructive Zones on Jan 19, 2012 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
I cried for senna. I was totally devastated. My dad was having a meeting with some clients in our basement. I came down to tell them. They were all race fans. They ended the meeting and all looked stunned. Greg Moore I remember wanting to throw up right away. That crash was so bad you knew there was no way he came out unscathed. I watched him since he was 16 in Indy Lights. I almost felt like I knew the guy. I took some pics with him at the Toronto Indy. I had his autograph, I watched his whole rise and then the sad end. I stopped watching Nascar as it got more boring as I got older but when Earnhardt died I just stopped watching racing entirely.
I used to love the Leafs... I still do... but I used to, too.
by Chuck Diesel on Jan 19, 2012 2:58 PM EST up reply actions
Read This
and I totally agree with it. It’s very close to the problem I have (I’m not in market, but in Ottawa all the Leafs games are blacked out if Ottawa is playing as well). Blackout restrictions should be a thing of the past – if the local channel wants the ratings, why not just let people use their feed? They would watch the commercials and everything just like a regular TV watcher.
The trick
I just continually uninstall and reinstall the GameCenter app on my Android and keep getting 3 minute previews. heh
well, that escalated quickly
Boy, you got it down to an art, eh? So how many installs/uninstalls do you go through in a game?
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 19, 2012 2:16 PM EST up reply actions
Depends on the game. If I’m out, it’s a Leaf game and I’m determined to watch, I tend to get like over 25 hahaha, damn good thing I’ve got unlimited data. Otherwise I’ll just tune in whenever I feel like it, luckily I like in the GTA so most interesting games get televised.
well, that escalated quickly
there’s no trick if its blacked out. Why not just pay for it, its only like 160 for a season, which is really cheap per game. I would if I could.
by Goosemonster on Jan 19, 2012 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
I pay for Gamecenter and I still sometimes watch pirated feeds, like I will be tonight because the game’s on TSN and TSN games are blacked out on Gamecenter.
The plural of "anecdote" is not "data".
Internet Champ. I'm on Twitter too! - draglikepull
by Draglikepull on Jan 19, 2012 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly why I hate the current gamecenter model. Why not just let you watch a TSN feed with commercials? It’s actually even easier for TSN to know who is watching their TV to be able to pass that data to advertisers.
by Goosemonster on Jan 19, 2012 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
all digital cable boxes send that info to the master control for the cable companies, but they don’t share it with the networks.
Resident teetotaler married to a habs fan. Who is also not a fan of most dogs.
well if the networks want that info, at least for those watching online, changing Gamecentre would go a long way. Honestly, it has to go in this direction, you can’t get rid of illegal streams when there is so much demand due to relatively poor supply-side problems.
by Goosemonster on Jan 19, 2012 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
It annoys me that i know that the cable companies have the info, but we still have to deal with useless neilson ratings.
OPERATION TANK IS A GO. It’s the only explanation for Mike Weber. He’s on a secret mission.
couldn’t they sell it for boatloads of money?
by Goosemonster on Jan 19, 2012 2:53 PM EST up reply actions
Where do you live? I thought the Gamecentre app only streamed live video if you lived in the states and were on Verizon.
I will stand beside him with an axe! @theninjagreg
by theninjagreg on Jan 19, 2012 6:07 PM EST up reply actions
They’re afraid they won’t be able to overcharge the cable companies to carry their stupid channel if they do that is the issue.
OPERATION TANK IS A GO. It’s the only explanation for Mike Weber. He’s on a secret mission.
agh reply fail.
OPERATION TANK IS A GO. It’s the only explanation for Mike Weber. He’s on a secret mission.
And then people watch the game through illegal streams and no one makes money.
There is so much demand, but they keep limiting the supply. It’s just robbing them in the long run, really.
That’s my belief. I really do think piracy is a service delivery problem. While I of course do not pirate, I tried paying for Gamecentre only to find almost every single Leafs game was blacked out. I really think that’s a poor way to do business, and a poor way to attract and retain fans. Make it easy for them to pay for your content and you’ll floorish.
by Goosemonster on Jan 19, 2012 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
I can already stream any game I want to watch for free. The problem here is that many streams are bad quality. All the NHL (or anyone, really) needs to do is set up a hub: quality, assured streaming for $X amount of dollars, either per game or whatever. You even still get advertising revenue. It would be the iTunes for hockey.
Well, they do have Gamecentre, which minus blackout restrictions is almost exactly that. I wouldnt even mind a direct feed with commercials.
by Goosemonster on Jan 19, 2012 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
Fuck, anything other than that damn intermission music….I hate that. It haunts my dreams.
I will stand beside him with an axe! @theninjagreg
by theninjagreg on Jan 19, 2012 6:09 PM EST up reply actions
Sign all the Kessels
Blake looks like McKegg and Phil put together
Amanda had 122 points in 46 games. Dupuis could learn a thing or two…
I used to love the Leafs... I still do... but I used to, too.
who the heck
is this?
We require, as a team, proper levels of pugnacity, testosterone, truculence and belligerence
by Juggy Gilmour on Jan 19, 2012 2:57 PM EST up reply actions
Kessel’s brother Blake (NYI) and Kessel’s sister Amanda (U of Minnesota)
I used to love the Leafs... I still do... but I used to, too.
by Chuck Diesel on Jan 19, 2012 3:00 PM EST up reply actions
I thought Blake got signed by Philly?
If you look up "Loyalty" in the dictionary you'll see a picture of a Leafs fan wearing a Todd Gill jeresy looking like he just got punched in the stomach
He means kessel’s other brother — Blake, (Jason) who got his start with NYI
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 19, 2012 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
oh yeah he was my bad.
I used to love the Leafs... I still do... but I used to, too.
by Chuck Diesel on Jan 19, 2012 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
I wonder if they also all dance like Phil did in that one game against LA last season.
The plural of "anecdote" is not "data".
Internet Champ. I'm on Twitter too! - draglikepull
by Draglikepull on Jan 19, 2012 3:03 PM EST up reply actions
SHE IS STARING INTO MY SOUL
Resident Internet Tough Guy
by JaredFromLondon on Jan 19, 2012 3:06 PM EST up reply actions
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