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TORONTO, CANADA - JANUARY 21: Phil Kessel #81 of the Toronto Maple Leafs battles for position with Scott Gomez #11 of the Montreal Canadiens during NHL action at the Air Canada Centre January 21, 2012 in Toronto, Ontario, Canada. (Photo by Abelimages/Getty Images)

The LCBO controls the sale of hard booze in the province of Ontario. I've often felt this was a good thing, as the Leafs tend to drive people to drink and having a bottle available at your corner store might cause a lot of problems for Torontonians. Last night was one of those nights. After being one of the highest scoring teams in the NHL for most of the season, the Leafs have scored more than two goals only once in their last six games. For the moment, the offense has dried up. Toronto doesn't have the defense or goaltending to win 2-1 games. If they aren't scoring, they aren't winning.

Links after the jump...

Star-divide

Game 47: Game in 10

Quick recap from MLHS

Quick hits on the Leafs current line-up

Leafs loss to Habs prompts a new one from VLM

Marlies show Hamilton how to "Make it 7"

Jeffler recaps the outdoor game in Hamilton

Alfredsson vs Chara

An in-depth comparison from DGB

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Flark. I got home from being trounced 5-1 just in time for the third period.

Last night was stupid.

But today has monster trucks so it’s a bit better.

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by elseldo on Jan 22, 2012 10:33 AM EST reply actions  

It’s a FTB or it’s an FTB?

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by Bower Power on Jan 22, 2012 10:34 AM EST reply actions  

I thought it was pronounced “Futob.”

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by laser358 on Jan 22, 2012 10:35 AM EST up reply actions  

well if it was spelled out it out be A, but it sounds better if you’re just saying FTB with an.

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by elseldo on Jan 22, 2012 10:36 AM EST up reply actions  

caption contest

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by Bower Power on Jan 22, 2012 10:41 AM EST reply actions  

Scott Gomez still has no goals!

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by Frag on Jan 22, 2012 11:05 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I didn’t make any stupid mistakes last game so I wont be a healthy scratch!

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by leafer1984 on Jan 22, 2012 11:15 AM EST up reply actions  

That explains why Luke is so sad :( Poor mistake-maker.

My mood probably depends on the results of last Leafs game. I may have a problem.

by DiaDud on Jan 22, 2012 1:12 PM EST up reply actions  

DP: “Alright, kid. You’re my new favourite prospect.”

NK: “I think Luke heard you….”

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by Curt S on Jan 22, 2012 11:17 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

The Leafs have to find a way to beat trapping teams

They’re kryptonite.

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by JP Nikota on Jan 22, 2012 10:46 AM EST reply actions  

In addition to frustrating, last night’s game was actually boring. I’d wager it was a pretty low-event affair.

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by JP Nikota on Jan 22, 2012 10:47 AM EST up reply actions  

You know, while becoming one of these trapping teams would likely help bring the Leafs GA down, I don’t think I could watch that kind of hockey 82 games a year…. the added wins would be diminished by the boring ass hockey

by Chi-town leafs on Jan 22, 2012 10:52 AM EST up reply actions  

I think Ron W strategy is too predictable for other NHL coaches at this point- if he mixes a trap for a few shits then goes back to up tempo he would better confuse defenders and open some space up.

by jeffgm on Jan 22, 2012 11:08 AM EST up reply actions  

I wouldn’t be opposed to that, but I think I’d fall asleep if the Leafs played the trap like Montreal did all game… I’d wake up to catch the replays on the rare occasion something actually happened, but I’d likely spend the 2nd and 3rd periods asleep

by Chi-town leafs on Jan 22, 2012 11:11 AM EST up reply actions  

I’ve been saying this for the past 5-6 games and got shit on. Thank you.
Stop the cute plays, go the the fuckin net and simplify

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by leafer1984 on Jan 22, 2012 11:16 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

I agree with this. It’s frustrating how often I see the players try to make a cute play, only resulting in a turnover and/or an odd-man rush. SIMPLIFY!

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by Frag on Jan 22, 2012 11:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Some problems I see with the uptempo, attack first strategy are
1. Leaf defenders can’t make it back to the dzone quick enough on a turnover in the neutral or offensive zone (leads to breakways, odd man rushes) especially against quick teams.
2. When the leafs face an aggressive forecheck the defenders/forwards turnover the puck while looking for that fast transition pass in neutral zone but better teams cover the leaf forwards in the neutral zone and pressure the leaf defender leading to turnovers.
3. If they reach the offensive zone, a well played opposing defence keeps the fast leafs to the perimeter shots. The leafs are quick, and they can score off the rush (lombardi goal) but usually the the d gets back in time and force a low quality perimeter shot or for the forward to dangle around the defender and rush the net. The problem is one or two leafs might enter the ozone quickly but well before another forward can get in front of the opposing goalie to improve the chance of that low quality perimeter shot. This becomes a easy rebound clear for the opposing team to counter an attack.
4. If the leaf forwards are covered well and are forced to dump and chase the leafs don’t have effective players to win these board battles which means they rely on low quality perimeter shots.

The team needs to add a more flexible playbook to confuse opponent defenders who will defend against the leaf’s one size fits all uptempo attack.

by jeffgm on Jan 22, 2012 11:07 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Please correct me if I’m wrong, but it hasn’t seemed to me like the Leafs have much of a dump/chip and chase game. With how fast the team is overall, it would seem to me that the Leafs could use their speed through the neutral zone to chip the puck past D-men and retrieve it pretty well.

by Chi-town leafs on Jan 22, 2012 11:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Well, every team has to learn to dump and chase to a certain extent. When forced to do it, the Leafs are bad at it.

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by JP Nikota on Jan 22, 2012 11:11 AM EST up reply actions  

I know I’ve seen them do it, but it’s always like a 3rd option for gaining the zone behind 1. dangle through entire other team and 2. pretend to dangle and drop pass it to guy standing on the blue line. So by the time they go to option #3, it involves a cross corner dump with Leafs players standing all but still in the neutral zone instead of racing to the corner with some speed.

We have some of the faster skaters in the league who should be able to beat most defensemen to pucks in the corner, not being able to dump and chase is almost inexcusable.

by Chi-town leafs on Jan 22, 2012 11:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Or drop pass to no one. Augh!

My mood probably depends on the results of last Leafs game. I may have a problem.

by DiaDud on Jan 22, 2012 1:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m wondering if RW is playing that run-n-gun style constantly because he thinks it best fits his personnel.

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by Frag on Jan 22, 2012 11:16 AM EST up reply actions  

I think the smart teams use the leaf speed against them. They play back – force the shooter to the perimeter and let the goalie make an easy save and easy rebound clear for a counter attack.

It almost better, if the forwards slow down a bit and let someone stand in front of the goalie before they take a shot. And then at least take a swipe or collect the rebound to sustain pressure..

by jeffgm on Jan 22, 2012 11:18 AM EST up reply actions  

This is why, more than anything else the Leafs really need to get a decent big forward who can score off the rush to a limited extent, but also screen the goalie and get rebounds. To me, the Leafs in-zone offense struggles because there’s almost never anyone screening the goalie or close enough to tap in rebounds.

by Chi-town leafs on Jan 22, 2012 11:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Yup.

I shot a moose once, in upstate New York.

by not norm ullman on Jan 22, 2012 11:56 AM EST up reply actions  

So I was talking to my brother about this last night during the game. Gary Roberts turned his career around in Carolina and turned into a fitness fanatic and now has himself a nice career after hockey as a personal trainer of sorts right? So if the mood ever struck him (Or if the Leafs ever asked) why couldn’t a guy like Dave Andreychuck teach somebody to be Dave Andreychuck? The guys scored 700 and how many of them were from farther than 10 feet out right? It’s a random thought but every time I hear the words “Presence in front of the net”, that’s the name that pops in my head. Yeah he was slower than molasses in January and I’m just spitballing here but couldn’t you take a guy like Dave Steckle on the PP and “Andreychuck” the shit of that area? I’m ok with being wrong here and I know most of Toronto’s scoring takes place off the rush and not from containing the puck in the O-Zone, but could it really hurt to call up anybody that had success from 5 feet in front of the goalie and say “How did you do this and teach it to us”?

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by Ghostsof on Jan 22, 2012 12:20 PM EST up reply actions  

The Gary Roberts part of that was “If Gary Roberts can teach players to train like Gary Roberts, can Dave Andreychuck teach players to play like Dave Andreychuck?”

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by Ghostsof on Jan 22, 2012 12:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Steckel did score a goal in a scramble using his reach that gave me Andreychuck flashbacks. Shame he can’t or isn’t given the chance to prove he can.

"They build a statue, they knock it down and piss on it, and now they will be out there building it again."

by ThickSkinnedAlive on Jan 22, 2012 12:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Found it

Steckel scores a la Andreychuck

"They build a statue, they knock it down and piss on it, and now they will be out there building it again."

by ThickSkinnedAlive on Jan 22, 2012 12:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Andreychuk was strong like a bull and tough as nails. You can’t teach people to be tough and brave. Andreychuk got crosschecked 100 times a game. It’s not much of a skill to sit in front of the net and take punishment, it’s just balls. Either you got em or you don’t.

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by Chuck Diesel on Jan 22, 2012 1:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t think it’s something you have to teach. There are lots of 3/4th line pluggers I think that happily block shots and play the “gritty” game that could suffice. I went to NHL.com. Sorted by position (In this instance center) and then by height. Looked for a player with high penalty minutes that doesn’t score much (I’m not looking for a player that actually does score here, I’m thinking about a player to turn into a project. Mostly cause I’m bored and I think it’d be fun) and come across a guy like Paul Gaustad or Mike Rupp. I think we can agree that they play a physical game and aren’t seemingly afraid of much. Both are big strong guys so why the hell not? I mean ideally this is where you spend a 7th rounder on the biggest strongest kid you can find and stick him in a video room and say “Here, watch this Andreychuck guy and don’t come out till you’ve learned all you can” and see what happens. This probably the most unscientific thing you’ll read here today but I’m not a numbers guy and like to try things “Just cause we can”

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by Ghostsof on Jan 22, 2012 1:48 PM EST up reply actions  

As such, RW really needs to blend up his team’s playing style, not lines. I remember an issue brought up by Sharks fans in the past about his time as the Sharks’ coach – His inability to adapt. When the opposing coach changed his style, RW wouldn’t change and would sometimes get burned as a result of it.

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by Frag on Jan 22, 2012 11:23 AM EST up reply actions  

I think it was Einstein who said “Ron Wilson is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results”.

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by GreatKingRat on Jan 22, 2012 12:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I think that’s where much of the “size in the top 6” desire is coming from. We shouldn’t be losing corner battles with the Habs – THE HABS! – but we are.

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by Bower Power on Jan 22, 2012 11:25 AM EST up reply actions  

They are losing corner and board battles to everyone. Its kinda sad

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by leafer1984 on Jan 22, 2012 11:27 AM EST up reply actions  

I hate most stuff by Cox, but...

I agree with him that this season might be quickly getting out of hand.

http://www.thestar.com/sports/hockey/article/1119326—cox-another-lost-season-looming-for-maple-leafs

The islanders will be a good test consider they’re on a three game winning streak (including Flyers and Caps).

by The Norris on Jan 22, 2012 10:51 AM EST reply actions  

Last week people were banking those as automatic points just like the game last night. If they play like last night the Leafs are going to be happy just to split.

"They build a statue, they knock it down and piss on it, and now they will be out there building it again."

by ThickSkinnedAlive on Jan 22, 2012 10:58 AM EST up reply actions  

For those that say fighting has no effect on the outcome of a game.

Scrivens, who stopped 19 of the 21 shots fired at him, said the turning point of the game was when Kelsey Wilson fought Zack Fitzgerald in a spirited donnybrook just as the puck was dropped for the faceoff after the Bulldogs jumped to the quick early lead.

"That fight turned things around. You need those guys on your team," Scrivens said. "People who are opposed to fighting in hockey can take a look at that fight and see how it benefits a team because that really turned the tide for us."

"They build a statue, they knock it down and piss on it, and now they will be out there building it again."

by ThickSkinnedAlive on Jan 22, 2012 10:59 AM EST reply actions  

Well If Ben Scrivens said it, it must be true.

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by SkinnyFish on Jan 22, 2012 11:00 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

He did go to Cornell… and if I’ve learned anything, it’s “If you go to an Ivy League School, you must be right”

by Chi-town leafs on Jan 22, 2012 11:07 AM EST up reply actions  

/eyeroll

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by JP Nikota on Jan 22, 2012 11:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Anecdotal evidence is the most reliable evidence around!

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by Frag on Jan 22, 2012 11:07 AM EST up reply actions  

I’m a guy who loves fights but this was one instance

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by leafer1984 on Jan 22, 2012 11:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Just pointing out that fighting can and did shift the moment of this game.

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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Jan 22, 2012 11:35 AM EST up reply actions  

I think it was the extra breather everyone gets while the fights happening.

Kulemin so hot right now, Kulemin.

by PassivelyTruculent on Jan 22, 2012 12:13 PM EST up reply actions  

It was 28 secs into the game right after the Bulldogs scored so I doubt they were tired yet. Was more of a double wake up call

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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Jan 22, 2012 12:47 PM EST up reply actions  

It can and did make Scrivens feel good. Anything more is a matter of opinion.

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by Back In Black on Jan 22, 2012 1:23 PM EST up reply actions  

In this one instance.

Whether fighting has any affect on a game is hardly proven, and if it does, if you can actually control whether the impact is positive or negative (as discussed by Tyler Dellow and Jonathan Willis). Sometimes, your team might do well after a fight; sometimes, it won’t. I think Scrivens’ quote is an example of confirmation bias, as he is obviously a proponent of fighting and is looking for examples that will support his beliefs, while forgetting the instances in which a fight either has no affect or leads to a goal against.

I am not against fighting in hockey but I think we as fans should enjoy it for what it is—a diversion from the main event—and the players probably want to keep it as an outlet to let off some steam during frustrating games or situations.
But to say it has any real value to the outcome of a game is, to me, clouding the purpose of fighting in the sport and allowing talentless goons to keep NHL jobs.

by Shift on Jan 22, 2012 3:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Even a big hit or a good shift can sway the game momentum. Phaneuf has delivered a big hit when the leafs were losing and sometimes the team rallies other times they stay flat. I think brown banging it up on the fourth line for leafs is more effective on getting thing going then a fight.

by jeffgm on Jan 22, 2012 3:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I like the idea of momentum, but quantifying it seems like a silly pursuit. It’s too vague of a concept.

by Shift on Jan 22, 2012 3:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Mass * velocity

Not that vague

=P

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by BlindSight on Jan 22, 2012 3:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I was thinking to measure it as the rate of change of fenwick after the hit/fight. That is after the hit, how many more shots are directed to/away from the opponents net (compared to before the event). But this screams 3SA.

by jeffgm on Jan 22, 2012 4:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Fighters are (typically) fourth liners, they will be replaced by better players who generate more events (shots) after the fight is over.

It might be worth involving quality of competition in your measurements.

by Shift on Jan 22, 2012 4:06 PM EST up reply actions  

a spirited donnybrook

…lol

by lucc on Jan 22, 2012 1:29 PM EST up reply actions  

The Ottawa game and last night’s game were the two most frustrating games of the entire season and I had to endure them both in one week. Doesn’t seem fair.

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by Curt S on Jan 22, 2012 11:13 AM EST reply actions  

It’s only been 2 games, but what are impressions so far on the Schenn-Phaneuf pairing?

I don’t think they’ve looked too horrible, but I did notice that 1 of the pairing had a tendency to wander out of position.

by Chi-town leafs on Jan 22, 2012 11:20 AM EST reply actions  

I’m pretty sure they got split up last game.
Anyone have a TOI chart to confirm?

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by leafer1984 on Jan 22, 2012 11:22 AM EST up reply actions  

I’m left with the impression that we really need a Suter-type. They’ve been fine but nothing compared to Phaneuf-Gunnarsson. If we could get Schenn a real stalwart to play with, we’d be in a much, much better position.

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by Curt S on Jan 22, 2012 11:26 AM EST up reply actions  

Dion: 20:24 EVTOI 27:56 TOI

Luke: 10:52 EVTOI 11:05 TOI

11:05? I don’t recall Schenn having a horrible game, but I guess RW disagreed…

by Chi-town leafs on Jan 22, 2012 11:26 AM EST up reply actions  

TimeonIce

Gunnarsson basically got triple shifted from the 33rd minute on.

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by Bower Power on Jan 22, 2012 12:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks dude.

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by leafer1984 on Jan 22, 2012 12:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Phaneuf is still our best defender. Schenn is still a major work-in-progress. I would like to see us go back to Gunnar-Phaneuf as the top pair.

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by Draglikepull on Jan 22, 2012 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

leaflover and I engaged in a very serious, mature, and lowercase mock ASG draft last night
http://gingersnowflake.blogspot.com/2012/01/gs-all-star-mock-draft-2012.html

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by Leafer87 on Jan 22, 2012 11:31 AM EST reply actions  

You becoming a baseball fan is more likely than you two typing in lowercase.

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by MLS on Jan 22, 2012 11:51 AM EST up reply actions  

That being said, your uppercase conversations are always entertaining.

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by MLS on Jan 22, 2012 11:54 AM EST up reply actions  

I can type in lowercase!

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by Leafer87 on Jan 22, 2012 12:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, but something tells me your uppercase frequency rises greatly when you’re talking to leaflover :P

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by MLS on Jan 22, 2012 12:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Seriously? you pulled out “one team”?

s •

by sportsfan2 on Jan 22, 2012 7:24 PM EST up reply actions  

it’s cause she’s a hypocrite :P

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by Leafer87 on Jan 22, 2012 8:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Rec’d for complete lack of advanced stats ;)

by GettinGiggy on Jan 23, 2012 10:18 AM EST up reply actions  

DOOM! GLOOM!

The Leafs are currently one game back from 8th and two games back from 7th, during their worst stretch of play this season.

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by Draglikepull on Jan 22, 2012 11:43 AM EST reply actions  

We are currently going through the “easiest” stretch, and still losing. That’s not encouraging.

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by Frag on Jan 22, 2012 11:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Buoyed only by an impressive start and the rest of the East faltering.

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by SkinnyFish on Jan 22, 2012 11:50 AM EST up reply actions  

People keep taking out the fast start, but no one does the same with our worst stretch of play. This seems bizarre to me. The good parts don’t count but the bad parts do?

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by Draglikepull on Jan 22, 2012 11:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Started off as the hottest team in the league and for 3/4 of the season have played like a lottery team. Which is more indicative of true talent?

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by SkinnyFish on Jan 22, 2012 11:52 AM EST up reply actions  

How many teams in the league look considerably worse if you take out their best 12-13 game stretch of the season?

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by Draglikepull on Jan 22, 2012 12:24 PM EST up reply actions  

The bad ones

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by SkinnyFish on Jan 22, 2012 12:33 PM EST up reply actions  

both count, but if your bad part is during the time you need to win to secure a spot and separate yourself from other team it matters a lot.

by Goosemonster on Jan 22, 2012 11:52 AM EST up reply actions  

First 24 games: 14-8-2 for 30 points
Last 23 games: 9-11-3 for 21 points

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by birky on Jan 22, 2012 11:54 AM EST up reply actions  

First 5 games: 4-0-1
Last 42 games: 19-19-4

That is a stretch of just over half the season where they haven’t been able to play above .500 hockey.

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by HockeyAnalysis on Jan 22, 2012 2:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Pretty sure good teams don’t play 42 games stretches of .500 hockey.

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by HockeyAnalysis on Jan 22, 2012 2:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Well weve just gone 1-4 in the last 5. Sure couldnt have helped that.

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by BlindSight on Jan 22, 2012 3:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, 19-19-4 minus 1-4-0 gives us

18-15-4 in 38 GP. That’s 40 pts in 38GP = 86pt pace.

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by Chemmy on Jan 22, 2012 3:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Good teams don’t have their best 42 game stretch be just 96 points.

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by HockeyAnalysis on Jan 22, 2012 4:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Who said the Leafs were a good team? They’re decidedly mediocre

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by clrkaitken on Jan 22, 2012 4:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Good teams, bad teams, mediocre teams, are measured in stretches more relevant than 42 semi-arbitrarily picked games. I say “semi-” because you (and I) picked the 42 game stretch which would best support our points. As you continue to try and make a point surrounding your cherry-picked stretch of games, I have to wonder if you’re going to post a “umad” face, or if you’re being genuinely and decidedly dense.

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by Bower Power on Jan 22, 2012 5:01 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s past time someone pointed out that this is all no more enlightening than saying they should have played better in November, when it mattered.

At the end of the season, they count all the games. Playoff teams will have at least 93 points, good teams (which the Leafs currently aren’t) will have over 100.

IIRC, there is generally very little difference in terms of playoff fate between teams that started fast and ended slow and those that started slow and ended fast. The vagaries of PDO (the Leafs badly outshot both Ottawa and Montreal) give up and down swings to all teams.

The Leafs have to play better, yes. Playing poorly since the hot start doesn’t mean we should throw away the hot start in evaluating the team.

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by Back In Black on Jan 22, 2012 3:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Take away the last 5 games, how does their record look?

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by leafer1984 on Jan 22, 2012 2:47 PM EST up reply actions  

What about games on Tuesdays in months that have more than four consonants in their name?

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by Bower Power on Jan 22, 2012 2:52 PM EST up reply actions  

We all know SE Tuesdays are a distaster

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by leafer1984 on Jan 22, 2012 2:53 PM EST up reply actions  

The most worrying part is that the Leafs essentially threw away an amazing opportunity to get points in the last 4/5 games.

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by BlindSight on Jan 22, 2012 2:07 PM EST up reply actions  

We all knew a big part of the Leafs’ chances were going to rest on goaltending. If James Reimer had played like he played last season, and was on pace to play 60 games, and Gustavsson played the rest at the level he’s currently playing at, the Leafs would have allowed just 119 goals, which would give us a goal differential of +25. We all knew the team wasn’t going to be good enough without getting better goaltending, and so far we haven’t gotten it. If we’re going to make the playoffs, it’s probably going to be because Reimer starts playing more like he did last season and not because of big trades or improvement from the skaters or coaching staff.

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by Draglikepull on Jan 22, 2012 11:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Goal scoring has also been inconsistent as of late.

by Goosemonster on Jan 22, 2012 11:51 AM EST up reply actions  

It was going to regress eventually.

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by Frag on Jan 22, 2012 11:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Something has to happen in the trade market because as is Im doubting we can make the playoffs, and that would be a failure.

by Goosemonster on Jan 22, 2012 11:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Whoever comes to Toronto will have the entire weight of Leafs Nation and 7 yrs of no playoffs thrown on their shoulders.

No pressure

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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Jan 22, 2012 12:09 PM EST up reply actions  

TWEET THIEF

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by Chemmy on Jan 22, 2012 1:24 PM EST up reply actions  

But seriously Toronto is one POINT back of eighth with equal GP if the PIT-WAS score holds.

OH GOD NO.

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by Chemmy on Jan 22, 2012 1:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow a three point game who saw that coming

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by Chemmy on Jan 22, 2012 3:08 PM EST up reply actions  

The hockey gods who hate Toronto.

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by SkinnyFish on Jan 22, 2012 3:09 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah that looks about right.

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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 22, 2012 4:11 PM EST up reply actions  

valleys not deep enough

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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Jan 22, 2012 6:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Ain’t no valley low enough.

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by GreatKingRat on Jan 22, 2012 6:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Ain’t no river wide enough baby

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by Ghostsof on Jan 22, 2012 6:52 PM EST up reply actions  

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by GettinGiggy on Jan 23, 2012 10:28 AM EST up reply actions  

ESPN top 25 under 25

Neil greenberg wrote an article that had NHL’s top 25 under 25 and it has Jonathon Toews as #1. While I dont agree with that, Sid should be #1 regardless of the concussion, the biggest omission in my eyes is John Tavares. Players like Bryan Little, Chris Stewart, Sergei Kostitsyn and David Perron are on it and JT isn’t?

Here is puck daddy’s take on it

Here is the list

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by leafer1984 on Jan 22, 2012 12:17 PM EST reply actions  

Also, no Taylor Hall, no Seguin.

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by leafer1984 on Jan 22, 2012 12:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I was feeling 1-15, but 16-25 confuse the hell out of me. Vlasic? Varlamov? Little?

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by SkinnyFish on Jan 22, 2012 12:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Its fuckin stupid.
Anyone who would take Bryan Little over JT, Hall, Seguin etc is a dumbass. Give me a break.

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by leafer1984 on Jan 22, 2012 12:22 PM EST up reply actions  

E-S-P-N….nuff said

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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Jan 22, 2012 12:48 PM EST up reply actions  

This is ESPN

The same network that snubbed the Lokomotiv crash during the look back at athletes that died in 2011.

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by Frag on Jan 22, 2012 1:54 PM EST up reply actions  

It is really just crazy.

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by BCapp on Jan 22, 2012 7:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Looking through it quickly

Stamkos is way too low
Jordan Staal and Lucic are way too high
Letang is too low
Varlamov, Vlasic, and Neuvirth don’t belong to be there
Berglund, Perron, and Little don’t deserve to be there
Stewart is having a terrible year so you can probably argue he doesn’t deserve to be there
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Oddly missing:
Kessel, Tavares, Karlsson, Couture, Duchene, Skinner, Benn,

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by BCapp on Jan 22, 2012 7:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Kessel’s there.

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by Self Destructive Zones on Jan 22, 2012 7:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Oops.

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by BCapp on Jan 22, 2012 7:56 PM EST up reply actions  

His methodology isn’t in that link with the list but he’s looking at complete players so a guy like Tavares that gets soft zone starts, gets overrun, and doesn’t penalty kill (for example) suffers.

Still, I’d have Seguin in there.

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by PPP on Jan 22, 2012 8:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Also, it’s based on a three year sample which is why guys like Skinner and Seguin and Hall aren’t on the list.

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by PPP on Jan 22, 2012 8:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah that makes sense. I mean it’s not like a lot of players don’t get to play 3 full season before the age of 25 or anything….

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by SkinnyFish on Jan 22, 2012 9:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Quick question!

Regarding selling Leafs tickets for tomorrow’s game against the Islanders, what is a fair selling price for two tickets in Section 313, Row 4? Face value of $95, I’ve been asked to sell them for charity purposes and have been told to “ask for the best offer”.

If I were to post them on Kijiji with a “Please Contact” tag for price information, what do you guys think is a fair price? Thanks!

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Check prices on TiqIQ and then set accordingly

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by SkinnyFish on Jan 22, 2012 12:24 PM EST up reply actions  

The Leafs can change up their style all they want, but if they try to send people to the front of the net, or cycle for extended periods, they don’t have the right personnel.

There’s only 4 winger positions in the top 6, and if Kessel isn’t capable of playing that game, and Lupul can play it, but is actually far more a high-skill kinda guy, then 2 of the slots are already filled by “guys who can’t muck it up in front.”

MacArthur in particular seems to me to be in trouble, even though he has lots of energy, a nice shot, good speed and plays well with Grabbo.

Kulemin is just a world of frustration, as when I went back to look at the films of all his goals last year, an inordinate number – 15-20 at least – were scored from scrambles, rebounds, and out in front. i.e. Just what we needed. But that game just isn’t there this year for the Leafs, and the loss of just those 5-10 goals has been a killer.

When you look further down, we have Lombardi, whom I love, but who isn’t built to take that sort of hitting.

Mike Brown who CAN hit and do some of this, but who hasn’t got the hands to put it in the net.

Joey Crabb can crash a bit, but actually is more reliant on energy and skill than getting in front.

Kadri’s nasty, and slick, and a great passer and all of that, and yes, these skill guys can often fence a pile out of the heap and stab it home… but he’s not big, not gonna screen or smash in many rebounds.

Colby’s been another loss, like Kulemin this year, because he can hang around the net a little, cause shit, disturb goalies, and cash in a few. But not many. And he’s not actually a serious “power forward.”

And the guy who COULD really do that for us in the future, and do so in a way which fits with the speed and skill of the Leafs – namely, Matt Frattin – apparently needed more seasoning. Guy can hit like a truck, a lot like Kulemin, great shot, and quite calm out there. But not sure he has the bull-in-a-china-shop confidence to plow out front and stake out his position.

So that’s 10 wingers, and we have Lupul, whom I’d give a 0.3 “Crash and Bang Scoring Winger” rating… Kulemin who is only actually producing a 0.3 crash and bang… Colby who is injured and not ideal to do it anyway, so a 0.2 when he’s back…. Frattin who is in the minors, so 0.0… Crabb and Brown and Boyce, none of whom have the hands nor the size really, so 0.1 and 0.1 and 0.0…

Which adds up to the equivalent of having about 1 net presence, banging, screening, cycling, but able to score winger on the team. Out of 8 slots.

Now, iF Kulemin gets hot… or IF Frattin returns and has more confidence… or IF Colby comes back happy to go to the paint… then we pick up an extra 10 or so goals in the remainder of the season, and win a couple more games, and make the playoffs.

But more likely in my mind, is that we trade. And since most of these wingers are NHL-capable, that means some of them go.

(Also, at center we have again, very little net presence and banging ability… Connolly, Grabbo, Bozak, Steckel might have 0.5 together, mostly from Steckel, and Grabbo or Bozak when they get psycho-courageous.)

Therefore, I can’t see MacArthur or perhaps even Kadri, staying on. And easy to see some of the other lower wingers being thrown in, Boyce, Crabb, Lombardi, etc.

The other pressing need being that strong, stay-at-home, steadying force on defence, someone who may not be that fast, but can handle the puck under pressure.

And yes, those are two unicorns.

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by not norm ullman on Jan 22, 2012 12:28 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

you know, when you aren’t making asinine comments, you make great points.

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by leafer1984 on Jan 22, 2012 12:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, but you gotta lead with your strengths.

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by not norm ullman on Jan 22, 2012 12:51 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

We need Armdog back.

Kulemin so hot right now, Kulemin.

by PassivelyTruculent on Jan 22, 2012 1:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t understand what so many people around here have against MacArthur. He’s 4th on the team in goals despite being 7th on the team in ice time among forwards. He’s been shuffled up and down the lineup all year and frequently left without adequate linemates. He’s scoring goals at the same pace he did last year, but he’s had inconsistent linemates who can’t put the puck in the net, so he’s not picking up any assists. That’s not his fault.

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by Draglikepull on Jan 22, 2012 6:08 PM EST up reply actions  

MacA, Kulie, and Grabbo all just look a lot worse in comparison to their stellar year last year. Mac’s been ok, but he’s just a lot less noticeable out there it seems.

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by daoust on Jan 22, 2012 6:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Nothing personal against Clarkie Mark.

It’s just that if we need some wingers with some size, there are only so many slots open for players like Mac. So… do you choose him over Kessel? Lupul? Kulemin? Kadri?

But if we look close at the little things he might bring, I’d say he’s wanting.

1. He doesn’t kill any penalties, at all. 0:00 TOI per game.

2. He’s got a not plus/minus this year, lagging his peers, as he does every year.

- Last year, he was -17 below Grabbo and -10 below Kulie.
- The year before, on the Thrashers, he was -22 below Colby and -29 below Antropov.
- And the year before that, on the Sabres, he was -16 below Connolly.

3. And you want a weird stat? Last year he led all Leaf forwards in hits, with 114. This year, he’s #11, with 24. Looking at that, it made me remember – yeah, last year he threw himself into things with a fair bit more abandon.

So what’s my case for keeping him over the others? Hell, he’s scoring at about the same pace per minute as Joey Crabb.

Package him up with a pick and/or a prospect, and see if we can get a bigger winger, or stay-at-home defense.

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by not norm ullman on Jan 22, 2012 6:39 PM EST up reply actions  

So who are we goin for in the PIT/WASH game right now, other than no OT? Does it really matter?

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by joe leaf fan on Jan 22, 2012 12:50 PM EST reply actions  

You just know it’s going to be a 3 pointer.

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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Jan 22, 2012 12:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh I know.

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by joe leaf fan on Jan 22, 2012 12:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Pittsburgh in regulation helps us, according to Sports Club Stats

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by MLS on Jan 22, 2012 1:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, Pittsburgh because Washington could be out of it with Florida doing so well.

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by SkinnyFish on Jan 22, 2012 1:09 PM EST up reply actions  

If it happened this year, would it be the first time a team only made the playoffs because they won their division? I.e. FLA or WASH end up with less points than the 9th place team.

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by joe leaf fan on Jan 22, 2012 1:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Carolina did it once pre-lockout, or at least came close.

by J-DUBZ on Jan 22, 2012 3:58 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah, not quite, they would’ve finished 7th.

by J-DUBZ on Jan 22, 2012 4:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Shit there was a game last night? I went out around 10pm and got extremely drunk and I dont remember why anymore.

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by BlindSight on Jan 22, 2012 2:00 PM EST reply actions  

You are better for it today

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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Jan 22, 2012 2:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Now to go watch the Patriots dominate.

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by BlindSight on Jan 22, 2012 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

PATRIOTS!!!!!!!!!!!!

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by SkinnyFish on Jan 22, 2012 2:25 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Now that God is out of the way theres nothing to stop Brady

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by BlindSight on Jan 22, 2012 2:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Rec’d for Patriots :D

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by LeafBoy on Jan 22, 2012 2:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Now you do.

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by SkinnyFish on Jan 22, 2012 2:18 PM EST up reply actions  

This FLA, WSH thing is going to be annoying. Damn division lead rules.

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by BlindSight on Jan 22, 2012 2:27 PM EST reply actions  

This year could be the closest we ever come to a non-top 8 team making the playoffs via winning the division.

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by daoust on Jan 22, 2012 3:24 PM EST up reply actions  

This isn’t the same scenario, but in 87/88 Minnesota had the worst record in hockey with 51 points. Because the top four teams in each division made the playoffs, Toronto got in with 52. The NYR, Pittsburgh, Quebec and Vancouver all missed out despite the fact that they were a combined 83 points better than the Leafs.

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by GreatKingRat on Jan 22, 2012 5:53 PM EST up reply actions  

You’re right, and I remember that. I meant more specifically since they moved to the ‘conference’ system, with the top 8 / 3 division winners going to the playoffs.

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by daoust on Jan 22, 2012 6:05 PM EST up reply actions  

If they dont have them, whats the point of the division? I agree it sucks, but if a team wins its division it deserves to be rewarded

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by leafer1984 on Jan 22, 2012 3:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Imagine the mess the playoffs bubble would be if Sabres remained healthy

by jeffgm on Jan 22, 2012 3:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks for the linkage

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by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Jan 22, 2012 4:38 PM EST reply actions  

I’m going to make the confession that I am watching the Love Guru on cable at the moment, and it’s making me feel better after the loss last night

Horrible movie, but so much better than doing work

by Chi-town leafs on Jan 22, 2012 5:11 PM EST reply actions  

If that movie wasn’t a case of “Star makes movie for his friends and family cause he can and wants to have some fun while getting paid millions of dollars” I don’t know what is. You can’t help but imagine that they knew the movie would suck but didn’t care cause they were having so much fun just being on set

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by Ghostsof on Jan 22, 2012 5:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Absolutely, but I do enjoy the references that are there for Leafs fans to get.

by Chi-town leafs on Jan 22, 2012 5:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Well that’s the point of EVERY Mike Meyers movie isn’t it. I think it’s more fun to watch the people who don’t get the jokes. Cause they just stare at you while you’re laughing your fool as off

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by Ghostsof on Jan 22, 2012 5:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I remember him saying once that he’s a Maple Leaf fan, and the only way he’d ever see them win another Stanley Cup is if he makes a movie about it.

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by AM18 on Jan 22, 2012 5:46 PM EST up reply actions  

John Oliver does a hilarious news satire podcast (The Bugle, with Andy Zaltzman), where they just make fun of him mercilessly for being involved in that movie and one other: the Smurfs.

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by Bower Power on Jan 22, 2012 5:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I completely understand the angst we are all feeling right now. I was one of the worst culprits last night. I know we’ve been losing to teams we should be beating, and that is inexcusable.

However, as we sit here we are two points out of a playoff spot. We have 2 games remaining against both the Capitals and the Panthers. We have 2 games next week against a beatable opponent. We are getting JML back whose absence, in my opinion, is a big part of why our powerplay has recently struggled.

We are also getting Colby back (for how long we’ll see), and we are better and tougher with him in the line-up then without. Brian Burke will also make a move or two which will most likely make us better at the expense of something we have in excess. We also have more than a quarter season left to go.

There’s lots of reason to be concerned, but unlike previous years we also have reason to hope. Until such a time that we are out of head to head games against those we are chasing or 3-4 games out I’m not giving up hope.

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by Alspicer on Jan 22, 2012 7:53 PM EST reply actions  

Letang just finished his 3rd game back

2 goals, 4 points, 26:33 TOI/GP. Wow.

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by BCapp on Jan 22, 2012 8:02 PM EST reply actions  

An absolutely filthy game between the Bruins and Flyers today. Surprise surprise. Looks like the Bruins got a bit of payback. It’s absolutely apparent that the Flyers decided before hand to lay it down.

Part of me wishes teams like this would just beat each other into comas. The problem is, these are the sort of teams the Leafs will have to eventually face as they go forward. And what happens if they hit a Kessel or Grabbo, Dion or Grabbo, or worse, Connolly or Colby???

Th league has to start throwing people out for very long stretches of games. I literally do not remember this many hits to the head, ever, in past decades.

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by not norm ullman on Jan 22, 2012 10:12 PM EST reply actions  

I’m sure FLYERORB will be incensed at the dirty and dastardly play of the Bruins against his angelic FLYERS.

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by CanadianMaple09 on Jan 22, 2012 10:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Both of those teams need to quit playing the victim and just admit to being dicks already.

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by SkinnyFish on Jan 22, 2012 11:05 PM EST up reply actions  

They were all protecting themselves.

From people protecting themselves.

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