Toronto Maple Leafs: 3, New York Islanders: GUSTAVSSON'D
by Bower Power on Jan 23, 2012 10:29 PM EST
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PrintIn the first of their back-to-back games against the Islanders, Jonas Gustavsson and the Toronto Maple Leafs shut out John Tavares and the New York Islanders. The shot total was a meager 25, but Gustavsson looked strong through a series of tough saves late in the second, and a flawless stand against the 14 shots in the third. It's great to see Gustavsson continue to work against his detractors, as he has a .927 over his past 16 starts, and it'll be great if he can sustain this performance through the rest of the season. Maybe he draws his inspiration from goalie-controversy PPP threads.
Toronto got out to an early start, with Matthew Lombardi scoring the first goal just 1:37 into the game. After a second period filled with dump, chase, and lose the puck (the Leafs had just 8 shots in the second, compared to the first period's 16), the Isles opened up their game to trade a series of rush attempts with the Leafs, where Phil Kessel capitalized. A bad change by the Isles and a nice pass by Joey Crabb sets Lombardi up with his second of the game, and the team walks away with two points.
The Leafs continued their super effective new penalty kill strategy: don't. They didn't take a penalty all game, and get to put another tally on their "games since last PK accident" card - up to 10 straight now.
Phaneuf did a good job of keeping Tavares to the perimeter, and Gunnarsson had an excellent game by every measure. Lombardi's two goal night was impressive, and Kadri played well overall. Luke Schenn's play was, well, a bit cement-handed, a little lumbering, and got him benched for the last 8 minutes, as Gunnarsson was on ice more often than not in the last ten minutes. No matter what you think about Schenn's potential, I think it's safe to say that Wilson doesn't have much faith in the blueliner right now. Wilson reunited the LBK line, but gave them pillow soft zone starts (a team leading -4) to compensate. Kulemin-Grabovski-Crabb got the D-zone starts.
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The Isles are 4-1-2 this season in the game following a shutout, and 4-2-0 in the second half of back to backs, with one of those second-game losses coming against the Maple Leafs. Another two points up for grabs tomorrow night. Go Leafs go!
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Well…..I love Reimer but you cant argue with (essentially) 4 shutouts in 2012.
Being a Leafs fan makes me bipolar.
This is PPP I’ll argue whatever I wanna do
Go Team Reimer-should-start-tomorrow
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 23, 2012 10:32 PM EST up reply actions
This would be a great time to start Reimer: no way Gus interprets it poorly. He got a shutout, couldn’t have been better, gets a night off. Boom. Easy.
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I bet Reimer starts tomorrow
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If PPP as a group collectively coached, he probably would.
Wilson however seems to have different selection criteria.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 23, 2012 10:41 PM EST up reply actions
i always think that crowd-sourcing a team would be a great idea, until I remember that most fans/people are idiots.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 23, 2012 10:47 PM EST up reply actions
Oh ya especially me.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jan 23, 2012 10:48 PM EST up reply actions
that wasn’t meant as a shot at you in any way.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 23, 2012 10:51 PM EST up reply actions
I know i was pulling the self-depricating move
way to ruin it, ruiner
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by nhlcheapshot on Jan 23, 2012 10:51 PM EST up reply actions
I remember reading that ESPN’s crowdsourced NCAA bracket generally outperforms over 90% of the submitted brackets. The problem would be with controversial decisions. The really crazy people would get buried on the common sense choices…you’d hope.
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by theninjagreg on Jan 24, 2012 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
I feel that a group of about 12 of us, could run a hockey club better than, say, Jay Feaster.
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Raise the bar a bit
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by nhlcheapshot on Jan 23, 2012 10:52 PM EST up reply actions
Pierre Gauthier
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I said raise it
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by nhlcheapshot on Jan 23, 2012 10:55 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
Honestly, I really wish the Oilogosphere could be raised to some sort of GM-collective.
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by Bower Power on Jan 23, 2012 10:59 PM EST up reply actions
Really a no-pressure game too, no matter what we have the split, and the All-Star break will chill everyone out. Get Reimer a start, emphasize discipline to the team.
by doggit on Jan 23, 2012 10:36 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
15 games in 30 days after the break, 10 against playoff teams, 8 on the road
Leafs are going to need both goalies playing well for what’s a pretty tough homestretch.
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by clrkaitken on Jan 23, 2012 10:37 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Pfft
I try to do something nice and while I’m searching you all leave. I found the link for making recs blue. Here: http://userstyles.org/styles/38381/pension-plan-puppets-recs-go-blue
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by DiaDud on Jan 23, 2012 10:36 PM EST reply actions 10 recs
SOOO MUCH BETTER
At least it's not Lebda.
by Nifty Mittens on Jan 23, 2012 11:15 PM EST up reply actions
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by Chemmy on Jan 23, 2012 10:36 PM EST reply actions 5 recs
bring the funk
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by SkinnyFish on Jan 23, 2012 10:42 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Rainbow crotch > red X
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by Chemmy on Jan 23, 2012 10:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
dammit
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by SkinnyFish on Jan 23, 2012 10:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Ovechkin might sit out the All Star Game?
A reminder: he was picked by the NHL for the game on reputation alone because they think he’s a marketable star. What a fucking baby.
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by Chemmy on Jan 23, 2012 10:38 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I wondered about this when I found out he was suspended. The league might not want a suspended player playing in the all star game…?
by DSOD on Jan 23, 2012 10:40 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
that’s fucking weak sauce.
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by daoust on Jan 23, 2012 10:40 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Can they uninvite him? Because that would be awesome.
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by DiaDud on Jan 23, 2012 10:40 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I posed the question if suspended players should be eligible.
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by SkinnyFish on Jan 23, 2012 10:41 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
How do you say “butt hurt” in Russian?
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by SkinnyFish on Jan 23, 2012 10:40 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Also: Selanne and Lidstrom can skip without punishment because they’ve served the league so many times. Ovechkin skips without punishment because….?
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by Bower Power on Jan 23, 2012 10:40 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Or wait, are you saying he might choose to?
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by DiaDud on Jan 23, 2012 10:41 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yes, that’s the rumor. Out of “protest” for his suspension.
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by SkinnyFish on Jan 23, 2012 10:42 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
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Ovechkin, even tho suspended, is eligible for ASG. Should all get sorted out Tues. Nothing final yet. But, IMO, I’d be surprised if he goes.
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by SkinnyFish on Jan 23, 2012 10:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Thanks for clearing it up :)
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by DiaDud on Jan 23, 2012 10:45 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Honestly wouldn’t be surprised if his sponsors have something to say about this. You pay the guy millions to market your product and wear your gear, and he skips the All-Star game. There has to be something in his sponsorship deals about this.
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Kick his butt to the curve? (Sponsorship and monies wise). I really have no reason to dislike him as much as I do. That said, Ovi sucks!! (Just not at hockey, except since he made fun of Kessel)
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Oh ya that’ll show ’em.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jan 23, 2012 10:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Maybe he should have thought about that before he launched himself into Michalek’s head. What a douche.
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by DiaDud on Jan 23, 2012 10:44 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Baby
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by Chemmy on Jan 23, 2012 10:44 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
“I left my feet on a hit. I better protest!”
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by Bower Power on Jan 23, 2012 10:48 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Doesn’t want to get picked last
Wah wah
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by nhlcheapshot on Jan 23, 2012 10:42 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I bet he does his “serious interview” face too when he announces it. Where he looks down at his feet and talks real low, sighs a lot between words.
by Nigel Cadbury on Jan 23, 2012 10:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The Curse of Kessel continues!
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by Frag on Jan 23, 2012 10:44 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
That deserves a...
1/1/11: Saw the beginning of the Optimus Reim era. And it was glorious!!!1
Oh...and Phil Kessel says YAAAAAAYYYY!!!1
by LeafBoy on Jan 23, 2012 10:46 PM EST up reply actions 13 recs
Best ever.
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by MLS on Jan 23, 2012 10:46 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Did you see the link to get blue recs?
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by DiaDud on Jan 23, 2012 10:48 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Yes, and I rec’d it ;)
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by MLS on Jan 23, 2012 10:49 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
And I blue'd it :)
1/1/11: Saw the beginning of the Optimus Reim era. And it was glorious!!!1
Oh...and Phil Kessel says YAAAAAAYYYY!!!1
by LeafBoy on Jan 23, 2012 10:52 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
WOOOOOOOOOOOO! I went from 0 recs in 2 years, to 3 since Saturday!!!!!!
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by DiaDud on Jan 23, 2012 10:56 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
It’s the best thing ever isn’t it? Blue and Leafy……(Happy Sigh)
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by DiaDud on Jan 23, 2012 10:57 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
YOU GET A REC, YOU GET A REC, EVERYBODY GETS A REC
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by SkinnyFish on Jan 23, 2012 10:58 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
When she raises her arms and laughs…that is the image of Oprah I will always cherish. Evil Bee Sorceress.
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by Brunswick Bruiser on Jan 23, 2012 11:01 PM EST up reply actions
her little dance at the end… like what the f is she doing? i love it.
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I like the Indian guy in the suit. He looks like he’s about to bust a fucking move.
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by Brunswick Bruiser on Jan 23, 2012 11:03 PM EST up reply actions
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by Chemmy on Jan 23, 2012 11:00 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Rec’d for bees
1/1/11: Saw the beginning of the Optimus Reim era. And it was glorious!!!1
Oh...and Phil Kessel says YAAAAAAYYYY!!!1
by LeafBoy on Jan 23, 2012 11:00 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
My pre-SkinnyFish roommate was terrified of bees. One time, without knowing this, I suggested that we buy a beehive and put it in the backyard because bees are pretty chill.
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by Chemmy on Jan 23, 2012 11:01 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
NOT THE BEES! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1GadTfGFvU
1/1/11: Saw the beginning of the Optimus Reim era. And it was glorious!!!1
Oh...and Phil Kessel says YAAAAAAYYYY!!!1
by LeafBoy on Jan 23, 2012 11:03 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Ya, it was probably ‘cause we are all rec whores, because the game was so stupid we had to keep ourselves entertained. I’ll take them.
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by DiaDud on Jan 23, 2012 11:04 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
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by Likely on Jan 23, 2012 10:57 PM EST up reply actions 22 recs
Hopefully he takes a picture of an empty chair that still says “Ovechkin” on the back
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by nhlcheapshot on Jan 23, 2012 10:57 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Well, that’s a rec.
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by JP Nikota on Jan 23, 2012 10:58 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Auto blue'd
1/1/11: Saw the beginning of the Optimus Reim era. And it was glorious!!!1
Oh...and Phil Kessel says YAAAAAAYYYY!!!1
by LeafBoy on Jan 23, 2012 10:58 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
With the next pick, Team Chara/Lupul picks….Alex Ovechkin. Get on up here Alex! What? No Alex? Ok…….instead we pick Eric Staal! Huh? No Staal either? Fuck it, Phil Kessel bitches!
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by SkinnyFish on Jan 23, 2012 11:00 PM EST up reply actions 7 recs
Doing a bit of schedule hunting.
February and March are a fucking disaster for the Leafs, but if they survive it, they get a home and home with Buffalo , Tampa at home, and Montreal away to close out the season. Which means they’ll fully control their own destiny.
At a minimum, the Leafs probably need 85 points after 78 games. That way they completely control their own destiny and could run the table and probably get in with 93.
So I’d set that at the benchmark; 85 in 78. After tonight the Leafs sit on 53 in 48.
They need 32 points in the next 30 games to basically put their playoff destiny in their own hands. 2 games over .500.
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I predict disaster and heavy finger-pointing
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by nhlcheapshot on Jan 23, 2012 10:44 PM EST up reply actions
You prediction makes me sad.
My mood probably depends on the results of last Leafs game. I may have a problem.
Don’t worry, Burke will distract us from the incoming implosion with a blockbuster.
Or something.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 23, 2012 10:47 PM EST up reply actions
We need a good moniker for February too
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Febtober
"We are all agreed that your theory is crazy. The question that divides us is whether it is crazy enough to have a chance of being correct."
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by Frag on Jan 23, 2012 10:48 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
There’s no bad ideas in brainstorming.
Except that. That one sucked.
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by clrkaitken on Jan 23, 2012 10:49 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I’ll get you Trebek, ya dirty Canuck!
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by Kevin Costner on Jan 24, 2012 12:54 AM EST up reply actions
“Fucked February”
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 23, 2012 10:48 PM EST up reply actions
How about Februawful?
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But the Leafs are usually way out of it by February.
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Really? I thought it was usually February was like the arrival of the M.E. – it officially confirmed their death.
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by LeafInVancouver on Jan 23, 2012 11:52 PM EST up reply actions
Related: Red Alert 2 is the best.
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by LeafInVancouver on Jan 23, 2012 11:55 PM EST up reply actions
Our PK was pretty damn awesome… by PK, I mean Phil Kessel.
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by Frag on Jan 23, 2012 10:43 PM EST reply actions 7 recs
Mirtle. Genius. Makes exactly the same points we do. Only a bit later. Also manages to throw out the first 8 games or so of the season. But since he’s MSM and all… he’s not an idiot?
Ha.
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by not norm ullman on Jan 23, 2012 10:44 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
I don’t like the removal of the first 8 games.
Leafs played them. Don’t know why they should be excluded. Does every other team get to skip their first 8 too?
Ugh I’m done
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 23, 2012 10:45 PM EST up reply actions
well Mirtle did start his Gus stat watching when he was 10 games into his little streak, he’s just been extending it from there.
by Nigel Cadbury on Jan 23, 2012 10:47 PM EST up reply actions
Huh? Where is this coming from? Mirtle run over your dog or something?
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Nope. Mirtle’s great.
It’s just irritating when something gets said here and it’s treated like it’s moronic, then Mirtle says it, and it’s worth a quote.
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by not norm ullman on Jan 23, 2012 10:51 PM EST up reply actions
Question was if he view Gus as a #1
@OakleyInc He’s playing like one now. But 16 games still isn’t enough of a sample size.
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fuck .910 on the season, that’s a mother fucking starter in Toronto. May not keep up, but ride it (except back-to-backs) until he falters for a few games in a row.
by pho king awesome on Jan 24, 2012 1:48 AM EST up reply actions
Must have gotten sunburned on vacation or something
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 23, 2012 10:56 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I wrote it, I’ll defend it. It’s in there for two reasons: 1) the dude’s on a hot streak. Why not highlight that in a post-shutout game recap? 2) I stressed that it’s a work in progress, and that he needs to sustain it, not that I expect him to. It’s not like I’ve suggested that Gustavsson could finish the season at a .927, or that his true talent is a .927, just as I wouldn’t expect anyone to suggest that the Leafs are an 80-whatever point team because you ditch their first 5 games and yadda yadda yadda.
So yeah, I think that quote, provided with enough context, deserves different treatment than some of the assertions made in today’s earlier thread. Any questions?
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by Bower Power on Jan 23, 2012 10:57 PM EST up reply actions
Like I said, I have no problem with the quote. Mirtle’s great.
I just dislike some of the dickweed behaviour/ bullshit arguments around this Reimer/Gus thing. i.e. Where people here say the same sort of thing about Gus that Mirtle said, but receive a pile on of “you can’t defend that” or “that’s the most ignorant thing I’ve ever read” etc.
So there was nothing wrong with what you quoted, my comment was basically just me flipping the bird to the whole Reimer vs Gus stats-posers crowd. I’m a bit sick of the chorus of people claiming it’s all about being objective and not stuffing the facts full of narrative, but who then twist the stats into bizarre shapes, and claim much more than is there.
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by not norm ullman on Jan 23, 2012 11:07 PM EST up reply actions
Unless I missed something, I don’t think anyone said anything like that tonight. A couple of us mentioned we don’t like it when stats seemingly arbitrarily remove games or data, that was it.
That's "Da-ooo". I killed a turkey once, with a shovel.
D, there was an afternoon-long thread on this stuff. I don’t mind debate around this player versus that player, but the whole Reimer/Gus thing has been merged with a bad set of stats arguments. What you then get is the usual internet a pile-on, but with a veneer of “we Reimer-backers are being objective and factual, any Gus guys are data-free ass-clowns.” I tend to stay out of the stats wars, but by times, I wade in just because I find it irritating as hell. Like today.
I mean, I prefer Reimer — but I think any stats case built up around a guy with just 37 games plus 17 games is gonna be weak. People like to talk about his “career,” but let’s face it, the stages of his “career” amount to months – not seasons. Wanna see his entire career broken out into months? There are 8 of them.
1.000
.932
.926
.913
.909
.912
.895
.857
Now. You tell me how a couple of months of above .913 save percentage – that’s right, two months – translates into so much firm evidence.
It doesn’t.
And yeah, I’m an economist, so I deal with numbers a bit. And I went to Queens and Oxford, so I have a bit of confidence (probably overconfidence) in my ability to detect unnecessarily confident stats talk. And yes, I have lots to learn on advanced stats, and that’s cool, and I don’t wade in here claiming to be a stats-guru, cause I’m not.
What I am is just a bit irritated by people talking too cocky for what’s actually there.
Shorter: I’m an irritable fucker today. Grumpy even. Probably need a drink. Cheers.
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by not norm ullman on Jan 23, 2012 11:32 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Pretty sure you’d be hard pressed to find anyone who believes Reimer is a known quantity at this point. The cutoff many of us have been looking for is around 3000 shots against. That said, past performance (especially on numbers which are less luck-driven than PK-SVP) is still a better indicator of future success than “oh shit the sky is falling.”
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by Bower Power on Jan 24, 2012 12:01 AM EST up reply actions
Easy tiger, nobody’s arguing past performance is irrelevant.
I’m just arguing about stuff like today, where you threw the “challenge flag” when I said that using just 55 games data from a guy’s first two seasons – and then a subset of that actually (the EV Save %) – was not a “reliable” indicator of who was a better goalie and whether they were NHL-quality. Skinny felt the same as you and also threw the flag (which is fine – it’s useful to have to back up arguments)…. [Whereas clrkaitken said, rather cleverly, “You are literally too stupid to insult.” Hmmmm.]
Anyway, I took a bit of time, and - in my view — pulled some of the entrails out of the thesis in question. And I’d say the limited data I pulled apart shows that the view that the first 55 games of a goalie’s career is a “reliable” indicator was, and is…. nonsense.
It tells us a bit, but nope… not a helluva lot.
The sharp – and unhappy to some – consequence of that is that arguments which rely heavily on James Reimer’s “career” or “past performance” or “where he set the bar” are putting way too much weight on a very slender reed. e.g. When we’re arguing that Reimer must start based on 38 games last year instead of Gus’ equally good last 16 games this year, you know we’re in a Semin-level slap-fight.
Like I said. I’m grouchy. I kinda like stats. But I know a hell of a lot of them aren’t worth much. 90% of the trick is to sort through things and find the good ones.
The other 20% is just luck. ;-)
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by not norm ullman on Jan 24, 2012 12:30 AM EST up reply actions
Anyway, I took a bit of time, and – in my view — pulled some of the entrails out of the thesis in question. And I’d say the limited data I pulled apart shows that the view that the first 55 games of a goalie’s career is a "reliable" indicator was, and is…. nonsense.
A goalie doesn’t tend to just wake up and start putting up .900 ES SVP, especially in the middle of a season where he’s put up .931, and when his entire career falls between .931 and .933, short though that career may be. I’m not suggesting – and I don’t think anyone has suggested – that Reimer is going to be a .931 ES-SVP goaltender for his career. But similarly, I don’t expect him to wake up tomorrow and be the next Steve Mason. As such, if you ask me who’s a better goaltender to play on any given today, I’d continue to say Reimer.
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by Bower Power on Jan 24, 2012 12:39 AM EST up reply actions
Did you even read the other thread? I just started looking at names at random, and one after another they were showing huge fluctuations in their EV Save % in their early seasons.
I even threw out all the guys who started hot then flamed out, and just took goalies with extended NHL records.
Seriously, goalies EV Save % makes huge moves in their first few years.
Here’s a guy who went 919, 900, 930, 873. Named Leclaire. A 57 point range.
Or 925, 911, 911, 898 - which is Mason. 27 points.
Or 880, 941, 898, 914… Razor. 61 points.
Or 917, 878, 941, 941…. Kipper. 63 points.
As I rolled down through the names, what became clear is that the majority of goalies show large variances during their first few seasons.
Not saying that it’s not an important metric. But I am saying that you can’t put much weight in a mere 55 games.
For example, look at Reimer’s actual month-to-month EV Save %’s I posted above. They actually DO go – extremely quickly – from him making a .932 level of saves to .900 and below.
And again, it adds no value to 55 games worth of data from Reimer to keep pasting the word “career” in front of it, or even “entire career.”
I shot a moose once, in upstate New York.
by not norm ullman on Jan 24, 2012 12:59 AM EST up reply actions
Good point
Reimer’s almost played a season’s worth of starts for a starter and Goose has played 1.5 years worth. Not much.
On the other hand, it’s all we have to go on.
Poor Steve Mason.
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And also, I agree with you. Reimer’s still the man I’m betting on to carry us to the playoffs.
I just happen to think that case can’t be made very well at this point with statistics, and I’m not at all convinced that he’s not still a bit hurt after the concussion. That’s all.
I shot a moose once, in upstate New York.
by not norm ullman on Jan 24, 2012 1:04 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Ah, my bad then, didn’t realize there was a bigger discussion that had occurred. Explains why everyone’s so fired up.
For the record I don’t think we know what we have with Reimer any more than we do with Gus, and I wasn’t really trying to make this a Gus vs Reimer thing. I was really just talking about the removal of data from a dataset, and why i don’t like it, whether we’re talking about a player or a team.
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Right, and considering that just earlier today I was illustrating why the “Reimer vs Gus stats-posers crowd” has a damn good point, I think you should know that it’s not hypocritical for me to link both, and that you look less like a badass flipping the bird, and more like you just miss the point.
I was pretty sure that we were going to see some “see? Gustavsson posted a shutout! I was right!” hindsight bias, and, funny enough, I didn’t even needs stats to predict it.
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by Bower Power on Jan 23, 2012 11:10 PM EST up reply actions
Based Ron W comments, he looks at stats (PK, PP, SV% etc) over the last 10 games to see how the team is trending rather then the record over the entire season. It is not a statistically valid to do that (as people point out on here) if the goal is to chose the “best goalie” But he is more concerned riding the “hotter goalie” and with SV% trends over the current period. And tonight he was right on that front.
I think we need to include the idea of “trends”, partly because it seems important tool used by NHL coaches and even though it doesn’t match a scientific treatment of statistics.
by jeffgm on Jan 23, 2012 11:35 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Mirtle. Genius.
I stopped reading after this. Assume I missed nothing.
runs away crying
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by James Mirtle on Jan 24, 2012 12:20 AM EST up reply actions
I’m just bitter because you’re not an idiot.
And tall. The tall thing probably pisses me off even more.
[BTW, what would it cost for you to do like McLuhan in Annie Hall, and step in and tell Skinny he’s an idiot? We’d all chip in to make it worth your while.]
I shot a moose once, in upstate New York.
by not norm ullman on Jan 24, 2012 12:33 AM EST up reply actions
* clink *
That’s the sound of another shiny silver dollar being thrown into the “Hire Mirtle to Dis Skinny” cup.
Man that thing’s half-ways full already.
I shot a moose once, in upstate New York.
by not norm ullman on Jan 24, 2012 12:39 AM EST up reply actions
You guys should just kiss already.
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Mirtle says another $5 and he’s in.
Pony up.
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by not norm ullman on Jan 24, 2012 1:20 AM EST up reply actions
quick
someone alert the stats police!
NHL.com is calculating stats ‘arbitrarily’ by month, starts, situation, record, opponent, and location.
someone better go explain to them that you can’t just arbitrarily remove stats from games in january, unless you do the same for games in november.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 23, 2012 10:50 PM EST reply actions
cmon man you get my point
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 23, 2012 10:51 PM EST up reply actions
it’s not just you i’m raggin’ on. i’m flipping the absurdity argument on its head.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 23, 2012 10:52 PM EST up reply actions
out of curiousity – are they doing the same comparisons for all teams?
That's "Da-ooo". I killed a turkey once, with a shovel.
yes. you can go look them up for yourself if you’re interested (I’m not).
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 23, 2012 11:16 PM EST up reply actions
that was my only point man. i don’t mind removing data as long as it’s consistently done.
That's "Da-ooo". I killed a turkey once, with a shovel.
if i’m talking about Gus then i’m consistently doing it for Gus (i.e., i removed all 3BOS games, not just 1).
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 23, 2012 11:18 PM EST up reply actions
CALM DOWN CITIZEN
Where can we find these people?
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Every time some one I follow on twitter retweets the fake Kyper account
I feel like I die a bit inside
No no, dig UP stupid.
i actually said fuck it and attempted to sign up for twitter two nights ago – thought i could follow wilson, burke, etc. it wouldn’t let me sign up, said the site was overwhelmed or had too many users or some shit. so now i probably won’t bother.
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Was it during football? Twitter shits the bed during big events because we’re all tweeting
YAY
WOW
OH MY GOD
FUCK NEW YORK
etc.
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by Chemmy on Jan 23, 2012 11:02 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Rec’d for PATRIOTS!
1/1/11: Saw the beginning of the Optimus Reim era. And it was glorious!!!1
Oh...and Phil Kessel says YAAAAAAYYYY!!!1
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by Frag on Jan 23, 2012 11:16 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Reminder: you’re claiming that unless you win the Super Bowl you had a bad season.
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by Frag on Jan 23, 2012 11:18 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
We’re all over it man, sorry.
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by Bower Power on Jan 23, 2012 11:18 PM EST up reply actions
RAVENS WERE TRICKED BY THE SCOREBOARD CONSPIRACY!!!!1
I will stand beside him with an axe! @theninjagreg
by theninjagreg on Jan 24, 2012 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
huh, maybe? i can’t remember what day it was that i tried, and i have no idea if there were any football games on anyway.
btw, who’s this tebow guy everyone keeps talking about?
That's "Da-ooo". I killed a turkey once, with a shovel.
a fuckin’ nobody
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by Chemmy on Jan 23, 2012 11:04 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
WOOOO
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by Chemmy on Jan 23, 2012 11:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
auto-minimized.
That's "Da-ooo". I killed a turkey once, with a shovel.
by daoust on Jan 23, 2012 11:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He’s spiking that football in memory of Myra Kraft. Way to insult the deceased daoust. Classless.
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Too much football.
My mood probably depends on the results of last Leafs game. I may have a problem.
by DiaDud on Jan 23, 2012 11:06 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Rec’d for fuck the most boring sport ever.
by LeafInVancouver on Jan 23, 2012 11:12 PM EST up reply actions
WOOOOOOOO! BOO FOOTBALL!! (High five)
My mood probably depends on the results of last Leafs game. I may have a problem.
by DiaDud on Jan 23, 2012 11:14 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I didn’t say basketball, but I did say “sport”.
by LeafInVancouver on Jan 23, 2012 11:34 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
During the five minutes of the Grizzlies existence I was:
A) Still living in the Yukon.
B) Not giving one single fuck about basketball.
by LeafInVancouver on Jan 23, 2012 11:37 PM EST up reply actions
I wasn’t allowed to watch WWF that young.
by LeafInVancouver on Jan 23, 2012 11:39 PM EST up reply actions
My dream is for MLSE to move the Raptors to the Copps Coliseum.
“Sorry about that Hamilton, but we can never let you have an NHL team. Here’s are garbage basketball team though!”
As a Toronto sports fan I proudly follow the lessons of lachrymology.
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William of Nassau am I, of Dutch blood. Loyal to the fatherland I will remain until I die.
He seriously sucks.
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This is a tweet.
Reported it for spam – never seen it since.
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by Bower Power on Jan 23, 2012 11:07 PM EST up reply actions
- – - PPP LATE NIGHT STARTS HERE – - -
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by Chemmy on Jan 23, 2012 11:09 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
My fleece jammies covered in small Leafs logos are better than satin.
My mood probably depends on the results of last Leafs game. I may have a problem.
Sorry for the reply fail
But I don’t want to be below Chemmy’s stupid line!
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DO NOT Z PAST THIS LINE IF YOU ARE EASILY OFFENDED.
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by Bower Power on Jan 23, 2012 11:11 PM EST up reply actions
EVERYONE BELOW THIS LINE IS STUPID:
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I’m pretty sure that’s all the threads on PPP.
All of them.
by LeafInVancouver on Jan 23, 2012 11:13 PM EST up reply actions
Got the place to myself.
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mrs hagman's here to keep you company
That's "Da-ooo". I killed a turkey once, with a shovel.
by daoust on Jan 23, 2012 11:12 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
looks like Katherine Heigl back when she was hot
Next season of 24/7: "I am named Mikhail. I watch video to fold together strategy. I want outdoors to fight bravely."
by Peter de Chatham on Jan 23, 2012 11:13 PM EST up reply actions
When did she turn not hot?
I will stand beside him with an axe! @theninjagreg
by theninjagreg on Jan 24, 2012 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
also, LA is leading Ottawa 1-0, whoooo
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by Peter de Chatham on Jan 23, 2012 11:14 PM EST reply actions
Wonder if Mendes is staying Leaf-free on Twitter. I’ve got a $50 bet with him that he can’t go 10 days without tweeting about the Leafs.
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It shouldn’t be too hard for you to win since we’ll have 3 guys at the All-Star game. Cha-ching!
My mood probably depends on the results of last Leafs game. I may have a problem.
More than winning, I just want the witless trolling to stop.
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2011 Tampa Bay Lightning > 2012 Ottawa Senators
I look forward to Ottawa’s currently over-achieving goaltending imploding their season next year.
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I don’t know if Anderson’s over-achieving in net.
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http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/2012/01/23/is-keeping-steve-tambellini-a-good-thing/
“Is Keeping Steve Tambellini A Good Thing? The Cult of Hockey writers weigh in”
VOTES:
1307 NO
683 YES
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by Chemmy on Jan 23, 2012 11:14 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
33% of Oilers fans think Tambellini should get an extension.
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by Chemmy on Jan 23, 2012 11:14 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
If Tambellini is extended to 2017, when his contract expires what year will the Oilers re-build be on?
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by mf37 on Jan 23, 2012 11:15 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i’m surprised it’s not higher. people are a sucker for high drafted young talent.
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by daoust on Jan 23, 2012 11:16 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree. Tambo and the pocket-MSM have the whole town convinced that drafting last is a magic bullet for a Cup. I would’ve expected it to be 50-50.
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by Bower Power on Jan 23, 2012 11:18 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Lots of Leafs fans defend the JFJ era.
Related, most fanbases are full of idiots.
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by mf37 on Jan 23, 2012 11:17 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Really? ‘Cause I haven’t found one yet…
Here's my attempt at a witty sig. Didn't really go so well, methinks.
Wise men wonder, while strong men die.
Do a search, there’s lots of them.
I think PPP ran into one on twitter the other night.
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Yeah!
I did. It was surreal. I thought they’d all have perished is some Darwin Award worthy fashion.
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How do people go about defending JFJ?
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by TheOtherAndrew on Jan 23, 2012 11:55 PM EST up reply actions
He’s a good evaluator of talent.
Based on not all of his draft picks being busts. I wonder how good Maggie the Monkey would do at the draft?
I've been looking at the sky
by Back In Black on Jan 24, 2012 1:30 AM EST up reply actions
Does Tambellini have a son who would be of age in 2017? If so, then my answer is never.
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by SkinnyFish on Jan 23, 2012 11:17 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
His head looks so out of proportion it’s creepy.
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by SkinnyFish on Jan 23, 2012 11:31 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
PROBLEM, PROPORTION?
At least it's not Lebda.
by Nifty Mittens on Jan 24, 2012 7:57 AM EST up reply actions
See? Maybe Tambellini deserves that extension after all.
Certified Delusional Optimist
by TheOtherAndrew on Jan 23, 2012 11:50 PM EST up reply actions
Brett Lebda with 21:14 of ice time in his Blue Jackets debut. More than he ever got with the Leafs apparently. They MUST be desperate…
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Desperation would be making some trades/signings that improve your club. Signing Lebda is throwing in the towel.
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by TheOtherAndrew on Jan 23, 2012 11:54 PM EST up reply actions
“How to Get Your Franchise Moved to Hamilton in 2 Easy Steps”
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by TheOtherAndrew on Jan 24, 2012 12:00 AM EST up reply actions
Rec’d
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by Chemmy on Jan 23, 2012 11:57 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Just ran Anderson who got thrown back by Stoll.
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by SkinnyFish on Jan 24, 2012 12:00 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Leafs are the only team not in the playoffs atm
that have a positive goals forward/against. Thats kinda cool. Theres also a bunch of playoff teams in the negative.
Its no +71 like Boston….but whatever.
You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend. Those with loaded guns, and those who dig. You dig.
by Tats16 on Jan 23, 2012 11:57 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, that’s good news for us long term.
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by Chemmy on Jan 23, 2012 11:59 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
sportsclubstats.com puts us at 8th. NJ is in 9th.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 24, 2012 12:01 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
That’s fucked up. Jersey has one less GP than us and one more point.
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by Chemmy on Jan 24, 2012 12:03 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
-6 GD vs. +3
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 24, 2012 12:04 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Also our chances of making the playoffs went up TEN PERCENT tonight because we beat the Islanders?
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by Chemmy on Jan 24, 2012 12:04 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
that plus the Winnipeg loss to Carolina.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 24, 2012 12:11 AM EST up reply actions
yay math
imagine what it will look like if leafs can beat them AGAIN
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 24, 2012 5:51 AM EST up reply actions
But are also 8-1 in the SO. My guess is that’s what it is.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Jan 24, 2012 1:42 AM EST up reply actions
Especially considering the worst stretches of our season look like they’re behind us.
Certified Delusional Optimist
by TheOtherAndrew on Jan 24, 2012 12:02 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Great game
Great all around game from the Leafs. I’m heading out though, so have a goodnight PPP’ers, keep making games more entertaining and stay awesome :)
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by Killer Sundin on Jan 24, 2012 12:00 AM EST reply actions 4 recs
Boston media already turning against Tim Thomas:
COLUMN: Tim Thomas is on his own once again at the White House where it was all about him, rather than his #Bruins team bit.ly/yxaExH
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Highest single season SV% ever? Vezina, Jennings, Conn Smythe, Stanley Cup?
THOMAS PUTS HIMSELF AHEAD OF TEAM YET AGAIN.
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TIM THOMAS SHITS ON FLAG, WHITE HOUSE GARDEN, PICTURE OF GANDHI’S FACE.
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by TheOtherAndrew on Jan 24, 2012 12:02 AM EST up reply actions
WINS VEZINA, NOBEL PEACE PRIZE, SCATOLOGY OLYMPICS GOLD MEDAL : DISTANCE SHOT
"If you've ever questioned whether or not @dboyce47 is a gamer, well, the answer is as plain as the nose that used to be on his face." - Sean Boulton
This is a tweet.
Someone keep an eye on the Globe and see if Thomas is getting traded.
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by Bower Power on Jan 24, 2012 12:05 AM EST up reply actions
hahahahahahahahahaha
"If you've ever questioned whether or not @dboyce47 is a gamer, well, the answer is as plain as the nose that used to be on his face." - Sean Boulton
This is a tweet.
Bleacher Report and hfboards seem almost certain!
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by TheOtherAndrew on Jan 24, 2012 12:06 AM EST up reply actions
“Thomas a Traitor? Chara selling secrets to the Kremlin? Why they’re both being traded!!”
"If you've ever questioned whether or not @dboyce47 is a gamer, well, the answer is as plain as the nose that used to be on his face." - Sean Boulton
This is a tweet.
Top 10 Teams Tim Thomas Could Be Traded to By the Deadline
Certified Delusional Optimist
by TheOtherAndrew on Jan 24, 2012 12:10 AM EST up reply actions
also
Phil Kessel 10 goals off his career high.
33 games left to play.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 24, 2012 12:03 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
That’s really exciting. Same with Lupul being one point away from his career high.
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by TheOtherAndrew on Jan 24, 2012 12:04 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
4-0 Kings!
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Oh...and Phil Kessel says YAAAAAAYYYY!!!1
by LeafBoy on Jan 24, 2012 12:14 AM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Tim Thomas: Vehemently opposed to large government, taxes, and socialism.
Lived in Sweden and Finland for a combined 5 years.
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Anyway to find out if his team ever met with the monarchies/presidents/whatever?
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His closest to winning SM-Liga was silver with Jokerit, but he also got MVP, so maybe? I doubt it, though.
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by Bower Power on Jan 24, 2012 12:20 AM EST up reply actions
Don’t need any of that to prove he’s ridiculous.
Tim Thomas: Likes Glen Beck
by ShahofToronto on Jan 24, 2012 12:23 AM EST up reply actions
So I am attending the Leafs game tomorrow. My seats are 2 rows up from the penalty boxes. Any messages that need to be passed on to any of the players?
Oh man
Uhhhh uhhhh “TAVARES ISN’T TOP 25 UNDER 25!”
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Can I haz some cherries?
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by James Mirtle on Jan 24, 2012 12:19 AM EST reply actions 14 recs
You know, if you hadn’t tweeted that interesting fact, I wouldn’t have gotten yelled at for using it. You should really be more careful when you tweet, or they’ll pull your $10k bond.
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by Bower Power on Jan 24, 2012 12:21 AM EST up reply actions
It means what it means. He’s had a good 16 games. Before that, he should have been in the AHL.
All hockey all the time at The Globe and Mail
by James Mirtle on Jan 24, 2012 12:26 AM EST up reply actions
Agreed
Now the Leafs have to ride this coach until it hits midnight!
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that is if you judge tallent/skill by statistical outcomes alone. somewhere along the way (repeatedly, one would assume) someone looked at the numbers and said ‘you know, this kid hasn’t looked that great on paper, but I still think he can be an NHL goaltender.’
crazy? like a fox.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 24, 2012 12:41 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Now THAT’S a headline for the Globe!
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 24, 2012 5:52 AM EST up reply actions
rec'd
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WOW.
The Central Division has 4 teams in the top 7 of the entire League!
And then Columbus lol.
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Are the other 4 doing so good because of how bad Columbus is or is Columbus doing so bad because of them…
Some questions we’ll never know the answers too…
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reply fail on my part.
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by Joe Ferguson on Jan 24, 2012 1:12 AM EST up reply actions
Both.
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