Scouting the NHL at the Trade Deadline
by SkinnyFish on Jan 25, 2012 7:01 AM EST
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PrintThe trade deadline is fast approaching, and that means looking at players who could be added to the Leafs to help their playoff push. On Monday's edition of the #MvsW podcast, John Ferguson Junior, the head of pro scouting for the San Jose Sharks, was asked by Jeff Marek :"What’s the one stat you value MOST as head pro scout of the Sharks?" JFJ stumbled around his words for a while before saying "Goals". Look everyone know that us here aren't anywhere near as good when it comes to evaluating talent as a man like John Ferguson Junior is. Aside from the box scores, he has something to judge we could never hope to have, a player's intangibles.
So let's do a bit of role playing here. We're all JFJ and we need to evaluate some talent. What do we look for and how to we value different aspects of a player's game? Well I think in the eyes of a man like JFJ, a hockey player can be broken down thusly:
Spot on don't you think? Links after the jump.
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To answer you question Skinny, he was confusing me by constantly adding points. Tricky tricky Belorussian!
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by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Jan 25, 2012 7:05 AM EST reply actions
PS as always, grateful for the linkage.
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by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Jan 25, 2012 7:06 AM EST up reply actions
Team #Re-signGrabovski
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No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 7:06 AM EST reply actions 8 recs
+1
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by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Jan 25, 2012 7:14 AM EST up reply actions
Been a member ever since the start of this year. Love the guy.
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Three reasons not to trade grabbo
A) he’s awesome
B) did I mention he’s awesome?
C) if he’s traded, who will keeps Toronto’s pineapple population in check?
by JohnerstonRex on Jan 25, 2012 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
See:
my display pic
Sometimes it seems this cycle never ends, we slide from top to bottom then we turn and climb again.
by Chris Stoikoff on Jan 25, 2012 5:59 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The same one I've had
Since I joined, btw
Sometimes it seems this cycle never ends, we slide from top to bottom then we turn and climb again.
by Chris Stoikoff on Jan 25, 2012 6:00 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Hit to the head activated his Pineapple Mode
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by Frag on Jan 25, 2012 7:09 AM EST reply actions 4 recs
I love Pineapple Mode
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by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Jan 25, 2012 7:14 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The world is a pinneapple just waiting to be cut.
Scarface grabovski
At least it's not Lebda.
by Nifty Mittens on Jan 25, 2012 9:55 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Commenters with 2 thumbs eating crow about starting Gustavsson back-to-back
/raises hand
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 7:14 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
wait I fucked that up.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 7:15 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
So you’re not eating crow?
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by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Jan 25, 2012 7:16 AM EST up reply actions
I should have said "this guy" rather than "raises hand"
Now the 2 thumbs thing makes no sense, other than it being an unnecessary but technically true fact.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 7:17 AM EST up reply actions
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by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Jan 25, 2012 7:18 AM EST up reply actions
Re Gus, I really do think he’s growing as an NHL tender. Puck tracking seems to be less of an issue.
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by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Jan 25, 2012 7:21 AM EST up reply actions
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by Frag on Jan 25, 2012 9:18 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Ya… no.
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Fairweather fans can go to hell
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Caw Haw Ha! Our evil plan is working! Soon we shall feed on the flesh of the newly-unemployed Schnell, my brothers!
I shot a moose once, in upstate New York.
by not norm ullman on Jan 25, 2012 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
And anoint the Naz-mobile! Caw Haw Ha!
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by not norm ullman on Jan 25, 2012 10:29 AM EST up reply actions
All right, get 'em outta here. This ain't no crow-bar. THIS is a crow-bar.
by Tickle Me Aulie on Jan 25, 2012 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
He really saved us at some crutial moments last night. Offense and defense got it done.
Being a Leafs fan makes me bipolar.
And in some crucial moments too!
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 25, 2012 8:56 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t think anyone who wanted Reimer to start thought Gus would blow the game, just that it was an easy way to get Reimer a start without having it seem like Gus had lost the net. For all we know, Reimer would have posted a shutout.
In the court of public opinion, Steve Simmons is Lionel Hutz.
or, for all we know, he would have"shit the bed". Whats done is done, Gus played a good game.
by JohnerstonRex on Jan 25, 2012 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
you guys and your GIF parties. I wish they wouldn’t crash my computer.
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yeah if gifs are crashing your computer you may want to get a model from the mid-2000s.
by Goosemonster on Jan 25, 2012 7:43 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
yeah but i don’t think “I want to go to gif parties” will work as a reason.
it doesn’t crash per se, but does slow the hell down. My internet sucks as well.
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Internet sucks? Steal your neighbour’s signal
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Jan 25, 2012 10:08 AM EST up reply actions
But don't watch any illegal streams with it ;)
We don’t condone that sort of thing around here.
by GettinGiggy on Jan 25, 2012 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe it’s the browser?
Useless comments since 2009.
by PassivelyTruculent on Jan 25, 2012 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
Incarcerated Bob and Eklund conspiring against us
No, I don’t follow them (ok I do Eklund but for laughs) and I think they suck but this was brought to my attention: “PROPOSED TRADE ALERT Kadri / Schenn / Grabo / Komi (Will waive NTC) for Rick Nash + Top 9fwd #CBJ Still mulling over offer #HOTRUMOR” and http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Eklund/Biggest-Trade-Yet-About-to-Hit/1/41607 – feel free to flag this as I’m linking crap.
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by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Jan 25, 2012 7:43 AM EST reply actions
Take those 2 for what they are worth, good comedic value.
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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by leafer1984 on Jan 25, 2012 7:55 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
exactly.
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by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Jan 25, 2012 8:00 AM EST up reply actions
Now all is right with the world.
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by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Jan 25, 2012 9:06 AM EST up reply actions
All 4 for Nash? I wouldn't do that deal. Ok with Schenn and Komi, BUT + Kadri and Grabbo? No thanks.
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Reimer........
@Scradam31
I think it depends on which forward comes back with Nash. I also think this is crap but it’s coincidental that both of them are saying it…
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by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Jan 25, 2012 7:47 AM EST up reply actions
It’s stupid, Burke wouldn’t do that in a million years.
by Goosemonster on Jan 25, 2012 8:07 AM EST up reply actions
Only if the other forward was Ryan Johansen… But it’s crap.
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by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Jan 25, 2012 8:09 AM EST up reply actions
Those 4 for Nash and Carter would have been done already if on the table. Grabbo then resigns in the offseason to make Kulie happy
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Jan 25, 2012 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
That would be done on the Leafs side but read the full thing copied above… it said CBJ still mulling over offer…
Also what I said is not anymore ridiculous than what Eklund said so meh
by WizardofNaz on Jan 25, 2012 10:18 AM EST up reply actions
I agree,
Nash is aging
I would do Schenn & Kadri or Schenn & Grabbo even, but not all three
also how would that salary work? lol…
I mean as far as Columbus,
Columbus has $1,278,312 in cap space,
they’re losing $7.8M$
+ lets say a top 9 is worth 2M = 9.8M
but taking on 2.9M + 3M + 4.5M+ 1.72M= 12.72M
by Ben Schnell on Jan 25, 2012 10:00 AM EST up reply actions
but yeah its not a real thing,
its just so easy to disprove these guys
by Ben Schnell on Jan 25, 2012 10:00 AM EST up reply actions
I thought I said above the top 9 forward was Jeff Carter hence they clear enough space…
by WizardofNaz on Jan 25, 2012 10:08 AM EST up reply actions
Kadri/Schenn for Nash I would do… Grabbo + Komi for top 9 forward, depending who would be fine with me.
Guys… we’re seriously indulging two of the biggest ridiculous rumourmongers on the internet?
We’re better than this.
I think.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 10:02 AM EST up reply actions
But making fun of ridiculous rumours while rosterbating IS what we do!
by Goosemonster on Jan 25, 2012 10:03 AM EST up reply actions
LOLOLOLOL You do realize when they say “top9” they usually mean 3rd liner right? or else they’d call him a top 6 or top 3 guy. So you’d trade Grabo and Komi for lets say Samiu Pahlsson?
by WizardofNaz on Jan 25, 2012 10:09 AM EST up reply actions
On Sportsnet last night they said Grabbo was worth only a second rounder, pretty insulting.
by Goosemonster on Jan 25, 2012 10:10 AM EST up reply actions
The fuck?
On Sportsnet they are fucking stupid. Are you telling me the Blackhawks wouldn’t offer more than that?
by samspade on Jan 25, 2012 10:19 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
yes, cuz the hawks are getting Derek Roy for a bargain and im gonna be pissed>:(
by Ben Schnell on Jan 25, 2012 11:14 AM EST up reply actions
To be fair in a trade maybe he’s not worth that much…
However he is worth much more to the Leafs so they’d keep him in that case
by WizardofNaz on Jan 25, 2012 10:20 AM EST up reply actions
kaberle rental got us a 1st rounder, solid prospect and conditional 2nd. I have to say that should make Grabbo worth, at the very very least, a mid-to-low first rounder. He’s a #2C.
by Goosemonster on Jan 25, 2012 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
Kaberle deal will never ever ever happen again.
That feels very “once in a lifetime” type snag that Chiarelli really wanted.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
Perhaps, but I wasn’t using the Kab deal to say this is what Grabbo is worth, but to provide an example of a deal we’ve made for a rental player. Won’t get the same thing at all, but only a 2nd rounder? Yeah if thatst he offer they can GTFO.
by Goosemonster on Jan 25, 2012 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
Not to mention you can’t base what other GM’s are willing to pay on another deal with another team for a different player all together… We just don’t know what Chicago or any other team would be willing to pay for Grabo’s services.
Burke knows and he knows what the line is when it comes to worth more to the Leafs to stay and the trade brings back more than what Grabo gives us.
by WizardofNaz on Jan 25, 2012 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
I would trade Connolly for a 2nd rounder instead.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 10:21 AM EST up reply actions
I’m re to jfj, hasn’t Lombardi admitted to using advanced stats?
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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by leafer1984 on Jan 25, 2012 7:53 AM EST via Android app reply actions
Doug Wilson, the Sharks GM, does seem to use some degree of advanced stats, but he’s very coy about it so we don’t really know how he uses them.
The plural of "anecdote" is not "data".
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by Draglikepull on Jan 25, 2012 9:52 AM EST up reply actions
COuld be the reason why JFJ stumbled on the answer
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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Another positive thing is that the Leafs have more ROWs than FLA or NJ
Being a Leafs fan makes me bipolar.
Despite being technically in 9th in the standings
Both Hockey-reference and Sportsclubstats has Toronto heading to the playoffs in 8th. Facing Boston. Ugh.
http://www.hockey-reference.com/friv/playoff_prob.cgi
http://www.sportsclubstats.com/NHL/Eastern.html
Also, the Leafs 5 on 5 GF/GA is 8th in the league… gotta stay out of the box.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 8:21 AM EST up reply actions
The important thing is making it. If we do I’m not expecting much, no playoff experience and all but who knows, young guys with pressure somewhat off can make things hard for any team…
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by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Jan 25, 2012 8:24 AM EST up reply actions
I’m convinced the Bruins would eat us alive. That said, remember that year where the Leafs, as No. 7 seed, played a No. 2 seed Ottawa team that beat them 6-0 in the season series? How’d that one turn out again?
Not saying it’d happen, just that anything can happen in a seven-game series.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Jan 25, 2012 1:19 PM EST up reply actions
sure, anything can happen in a seven game series, but if we play boston we don’t even sniff a 6th game. We’d be lucky to get to 5.
by Goosemonster on Jan 25, 2012 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
See it’s stats like that (5-v-5 Gf/GA) that makes me think the Leafs aren’t nearly as bad defensively as I thought. They just really blew on the PK.
In the court of public opinion, Steve Simmons is Lionel Hutz.
I did a quick update on Special Teams +/- yesterday…. Leafs were at -5 on the year, putting them at 22nd, although I guess they’d be at -6 now with the short-handed goal against. An even rating is still attainable though, just need to start scoring some powerplay goals again.
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Except for Phil, Phil can hulk out as much as he wants
/notserious
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by Chi-town leafs on Jan 25, 2012 9:36 AM EST up reply actions
Phil looked like a little brother out there flipping on his older brother who is annoying him
“stop touching me! I said stop it! MOOOOOM Travis won’t stop touching me!”
I was waiting for Phil to pick him up and throw him, as I’ve learned that’s what Phil does from this website.
That and riding unicorns.
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by Chi-town leafs on Jan 25, 2012 9:49 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I was waiting for him to stare awkwardly into the camera.
by Tickle Me Aulie on Jan 25, 2012 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
Star of the month
Do you guys think Goose has a shot at one of the NHL’s 3 stars of the month?
7-3 record, .931%, 1.90GAA and 100% PK in January so far
From a credential basis, yes, he’s probably deserving. But he’s not nearly as flashy as some of the other names they can throw up there, nor is Toronto doing well enough. They like to focus on the big names playing on big teams.
"I myself am made up entirely of flaws, stitched together with good intentions."
Probably not.
I gotta think at least 3 other people had better months in January…. Tavares & Malkin both come to mind immediately.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 9:44 AM EST up reply actions
Pekka Rinne has won 9 straight and 10 of 11 in January, with only 3 games at a sv% below .930 out of those 11.
In the court of public opinion, Steve Simmons is Lionel Hutz.
There we go.
3 players who had a better month right there.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 9:48 AM EST up reply actions
Clemmenson has posted SV% of better than .927 in 6 of 7 as well. Which is a really weird stat to have looked up this morning, I know…
This space for rant...
by fair_n_hite_451 on Jan 25, 2012 9:49 AM EST up reply actions
Which side do our D-Men play on? Who is going to sit to make room for Liles?
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Phaneuf, Gun and Franson are locks, while Komi and Schenn have been inconsistent all year. As long as Gardner keeps playing well (or really awesome, like last night), I’d wager it’s a rotating shift between Komi and Schenn. At least until a trade.
Don’t you guy read Eklund? Schenn is gone! No need to sit anyone.
//sarcasm
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by Curt S on Jan 25, 2012 8:55 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
jesus, I had almost forgotten Liles existed.
That's "Da-ooo". I killed a turkey once, with a shovel.
Liles is a UFA this summer. I’d bet that with the emergence of Gardiner that Burke has no intention of re-signing Liles so I fully expect that Liles is available in a trade and might not be around much longer.
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by HockeyAnalysis on Jan 25, 2012 9:18 AM EST up reply actions
On the flip side, the Leafs worst stretch of play (both statistically and what I witnessed from my eyes) came with Liles out of the lineup. It will be interesting to see what impact he has coming back.
I’d definitely keep him, but with the depth, his age, and his contract status he is a prime candidate to be moved. That might change if they have to move a couple other defensemen for help up front but right now this team has ridiculous depth on defense.
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by HockeyAnalysis on Jan 25, 2012 9:25 AM EST up reply actions
PP has gone dormant without him.
"They build a statue, they knock it down and piss on it, and now they will be out there building it again."
by ThickSkinnedAlive on Jan 25, 2012 10:16 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah........about that..........
Speculation around #Leafs is John Michael Liles will sign a multi year cont’ extension. He was set to become UFA in July.
The First Certified Grabbo Lover
I’m surprisingly okay with this, pending money and term of course. I’ve liked Liles more than I thought possible, what with him replacing Kabby and all.
Friedman – Leafs want to move a d to get Holzer in the lineup
Kyper – Leafs want to re-sign Liles who hasn’t played in 2 months.
I r confused
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let’s wit and see what those fuckers at TSN have to say about this.
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I wouldn’t be surprised if there was a directive in the Leafs office to fuck with the media people bey giving them different information… that sounds like something Burke might do
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by Chi-town leafs on Jan 25, 2012 9:29 AM EST up reply actions
1. Phaneuf
2. Liles
3. Gunnarsson
4. Franson
5. Gardiner
6. Schenn
7. Komisarek
8. Aulie
9. Holzer
Holzer has more than one spot to move up the depth chart before he gets a start.
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by HockeyAnalysis on Jan 25, 2012 9:30 AM EST up reply actions
I’d say Gunnarsson is above Liles on the depth chart.
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Maybe.
I didn’t put a lot of thought into the order but yeah, you could make that argument. Liles would be more of an offensive specialist where as Gunnarsson is more of an all-situation guy. Both bring good value to the team.
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by HockeyAnalysis on Jan 25, 2012 9:37 AM EST up reply actions
Where does Blacker fit in all of this, I thought he was higher up than Holzer.
Bam Bam.- digga digga damm
Not in the shortterm. He’s still a year away in all likelihood. Holzer has been the best D on the Marlies this season.
http://bluechipprospects.blogspot.com
I view blacker as a possible (not likely) candidate to make the team’s #6 next year, but more likely a call-up sometime mid-year in said role.
by Goosemonster on Jan 25, 2012 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
Dave Nonis said recently that Blacker was “close” to NHL ready.
Pension Plan Puppets
I hope YouTube comes down to film this.
he has also been on the Marlies first pairing with Holzer.
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I hope YouTube comes down to film this.
Yep Blacker is still very raw. He’s possibly skill and physical wise the best we have down there. I’ve even heard if it was only based on skills he’d be in the Leafs top 6 already maybe even top 4 but he’s just not there positionally and mentally.
by WizardofNaz on Jan 25, 2012 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
I would say ‘without a doubt’ the best skill we have down there. He has a higher ceiling than Holzer or Mikus, no doubt about it. He just needs time
http://bluechipprospects.blogspot.com
Sorry I meant “not in the NHL” I was thinking Percy might beat him… but yes he’s best in AHL skillset wise by far.
by WizardofNaz on Jan 25, 2012 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
I’m really worried about Percy. Two big concussions this year… Even notwithstanding that, Blacker and Percy probably have roughly the same upsides. They play a remarkably similar game.
http://bluechipprospects.blogspot.com
I think Percy has a higher upside just because he’s already a very smart player while Blacker relies on his skills.
by WizardofNaz on Jan 25, 2012 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
I’m of the opinion that it’s generally easier to get smarter than it is to get faster. I prefer young guys with skill to young guys with smarts, in general.
http://bluechipprospects.blogspot.com
Yes but I’m saying Percy and Blacker already have similar skill sets. However Percy is already smarter and therefore gets the edge.
by WizardofNaz on Jan 25, 2012 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
Blacker is better in every ‘skill’ area than percy right now. Percy has to catchup, I just believe he will. They have a similar style but they aren’t in the same place as of today
http://bluechipprospects.blogspot.com
Maybe Percy’s smoothness in his play is deceiving me.
by WizardofNaz on Jan 25, 2012 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
In fairness, I haven’t seen Percy play since his first concussion so it’s fair to say he may have developed a bit — I just have my doubts given the time away
http://bluechipprospects.blogspot.com
When I saw him vs Kitchener on the 2nd he was so pretty to watch. Just so smooth. He wasn’t the most skilled dman on the ice because the Rangers have Ryan Murphy (who is insanely talented but is too cocky as he’ll ALWAYS try to rush the puck alone even into 4 defenders… it does look awesome when it works)
by WizardofNaz on Jan 25, 2012 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
Murphy playing in the OHL reminds me a lot of Kadri playing in the OHL. Just so much more skilled than everyone and tries too hard to make things happen himself.
by WizardofNaz on Jan 25, 2012 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
I’m surprised I haven’t seen Blacker in the Top 25 under 25.
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by theninjagreg on Jan 25, 2012 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
You guys have an uncanny ability to start talking about a guy right before I post a Top 25 article about him.
Blacker’s #9. But it won’t be going up until later.
Cynically Sarcastic
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Someone posted up the rankings on Wikileaks
Useless comments since 2009.
by PassivelyTruculent on Jan 25, 2012 12:31 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
/takes bath in moonshine
At least it's not Lebda.
by Nifty Mittens on Jan 25, 2012 9:59 AM EST up reply actions
/sayswhatthefuckbirky?
I shot a moose once, in upstate New York.
by not norm ullman on Jan 25, 2012 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
Reason this is even more confusing:
LD:
Gunnarsson
Liles
Gardiner
Aulie
Blacker
RD:
Phaneuf
Komisarek-Birky
Schenn
Holzer
To get Blacker into the lineup, you need to move two out of the left side, and that’s without considering that the Leafs need to add a capable top-pairing defenseman to their left side as is. To get Holzer in to the lineup, you need to move one of Komisarek-Birky or Schenn. The nice thing is that depth defensemen are supposedly in demand this trade deadline. The shitty thing is, uh, we’ve got no idea what the hell is going on.
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by Bower Power on Jan 25, 2012 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
Traded for a 1st/3rd
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 10:58 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
F me. I knew I was missing someone on the right side.
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by Bower Power on Jan 25, 2012 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
Can we morph Franson and Komisarek into one player and call him Frankensarek?
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by birky on Jan 25, 2012 11:00 AM EST up reply actions 5 recs
That’d be a 3.6+4.5 = 8.1M cap hit though!
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 11:01 AM EST up reply actions
I want to combine Schenn and Gardiner to create Schardiner.
huge D with awesome speed big shot and hits everything in sight? yes please.
by WizardofNaz on Jan 25, 2012 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
My first thought was Doughty back in his first 2 years. As Weber isn’t the fastest but he’s one of the smartest. And Gardiner and Schenn still wouldn’t have that elite mind Weber or Lidstrom have.
by WizardofNaz on Jan 25, 2012 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
Schenn to Philadelphia for Couturier
/solvessomanyproblems
/reuniteSchennbrothers
/Idotoomanyofthesethings
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 11:05 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think Friedman said RIGHT D tho.
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I don’t think he specified, but we all assumed.
I think re-signing Liles only makes sense if Suter resigns with Nashville. If Suter makes it to UFA and we can’t offer the 6.5 mil needed because we gave Liles 4.5 that would really suck.
IMO Suter was a pipedream all along.
But man he’d look good next to Phaneuf.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 9:38 AM EST up reply actions
Of course he was (is) a pipedream, like Brad Richards, Kovalchuk, and the Sedins all were before him. But regardless of whether or not the name ends up being Suter, the Leafs probably need a left D man with even better defensive capabilities than Gunnarsson.
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by Bower Power on Jan 25, 2012 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
I’m seriously hoping that re-signing Liles would involve paying him a decent amount less than 4.5
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by Chi-town leafs on Jan 25, 2012 9:38 AM EST up reply actions
Waiting on the number before the Burke freakout begins….
As I said though, I really like Liles’ game.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 9:42 AM EST up reply actions
You really think Liles would take significantly less than what he’d get on the open market? He could pretty easily get 5mil per I think. 4.5 was the discount imo.
I dunno… I think Burke might be out of his mind if it’s $5M.
Let’s wait on the number, or if it even happens.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 9:48 AM EST up reply actions
To me, there’s no way we should be paying Liles more than 4Mil especially with both Gardiner and Franson developing nicely. Both of them either can or soon will be able to do what he can do, and are younger.
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by Chi-town leafs on Jan 25, 2012 9:51 AM EST up reply actions
Exactly unless Liles takes a huge haircut (he’s making 4.2 now and due a raise) his price doesn’t fit with this team
by WizardofNaz on Jan 25, 2012 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
yeah too bad he’s injured, I would have wanted to move him at the deadline, even if its just for picks.
by Goosemonster on Jan 25, 2012 10:12 AM EST up reply actions
He won't.
And Liles is still very good. The pipeline shouldn’t always dictate walking away from good players.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 10:13 AM EST up reply actions
No but good teams know when to walk away when the price point doesn’t match the overall plan and there are good internal (or external) options to replace said player for a more reasonable price.
by WizardofNaz on Jan 25, 2012 10:26 AM EST up reply actions
I get it
I didn’t think Burke would re-sign Liles either (which I guess he still technically hasn’t), especially with Gardiner being a nice surprise.
I’m also not against re-signing good players. And I’m very against the “ditch anyone over 27” argument (which I know you’re not making but is a very common theme here)
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
I’m not get rid of all the old guys… I’m more of in choosing between the young cheap guy and the expensive old guy even if the old guy is more established we should pick the young guy.
In this case Gardiner over Liles.
by WizardofNaz on Jan 25, 2012 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
Right now Liles is better than Gardiner. (assuming his concussion didn't fuck him up)
We can’t be young & cheap forever. Unless we want to be the Islanders.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
I’m not saying forever I’m just saying this year… This offseason is the start of us having to sign our young RFA’s to bigger and bigger deals. We don’t want to get Chicago’d by loading up on old vet money right now.
by WizardofNaz on Jan 25, 2012 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
well we aren’t cheap – we’re a million and some change below the cap, even with these young guys.
by Goosemonster on Jan 25, 2012 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
That’s because Lombardi, Armstrong and Komisarek are taking up $11M in cap space.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
Liles definitely needs a haircut, his long blonde locks are filling me with envy.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 25, 2012 10:13 AM EST up reply actions
boom?
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
by Semi_Colon on Jan 25, 2012 9:28 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
YESSSSS
well, that escalated quickly
by aelanK on Jan 25, 2012 9:36 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
I never thought this would happen
but I really like Liles.
Worry about the concussion. Worry about tying up lots of money in defensemen.
If this goes through, It’ll be almost impossible to add any other dman in the offseason, unless they can unload Komisarek or something.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 9:38 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t think Burke signs Liles without an idea that he can move Komi, or even Schenn.
I know Burke loves building from the back end out, but committing to 4 dmen of price tags over 3.6 mil is crazy especially when at least one isn’t a top 4 dman. Not to mention the raise Franson will get, and the raise for Gunner after next season. Yikes
It’s a pickle to be sure. There’s gotta be a salary move in the horizon.
I’m still okay with trading Lombardi.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 10:00 AM EST up reply actions
Me too but I still think Kyper is full of shit because as much as I love Liles his price point and age doesn’t fit with the rest of the team at this time
by WizardofNaz on Jan 25, 2012 10:12 AM EST up reply actions
So apparently Aulie is dating Ryan Getzlaf’s cousin. Not that it means anything, just something I found out today
Darcy Tucker married Shayne Corsons sister
Leafs like other Leafs family.
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by elseldo on Jan 25, 2012 8:56 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Wasn’t Corson the one who married Tucker’s sister?
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 25, 2012 8:59 AM EST up reply actions
i double checked, wikipedia says the Tucker married a Corson
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Too much truculence in one family.
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by CanadianMaple09 on Jan 25, 2012 10:21 AM EST up reply actions
So THATS who Jeff Carter learned it from
by WizardofNaz on Jan 25, 2012 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
Brought to you by the same people who started the Phaneuf/Craig Conroy’s wife thing.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 25, 2012 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
If these guys were all gay, things would be so much easier.
/waitaminute
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by not norm ullman on Jan 25, 2012 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
I used to work with Getlaf’s cousin. She was the receptionist.
I will stand beside him with an axe! @theninjagreg
by theninjagreg on Jan 25, 2012 10:22 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Receptionist is kind of demeaning to women. I do Officey things.
/community’d
by WizardofNaz on Jan 25, 2012 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
Pam Halpert agrees
/Office’d
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No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 11:07 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
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but it was the world that was wrong…
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by jimmyp22 on Jan 25, 2012 10:31 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Watch out for Falling Senators
In addition to Toronto winning 2 games in a row, the Senators have lost 3 games in a row. They are now in a situation where if Florida, Washington, New Jersey and Toronto all win their games in hand, Ottawa misses the playoffs. #OutOfOttawasControl
And to think there were some in Ottawa a few days ago pondering the idea that the Senators could catch the Buins as they were only 1 point back in the standings a few days ago, never mind the fact that the Bruins had 5 games in hand. Now they are 4 back and the Bruins still have 5 games in hand. #NotHappening
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What blows my mind with the standings at the moment is that the 4th place team in the Central is still, last I checked, 9 points above the 8th place team. All those free points against Columbus must be nice.
Finally got twitter...@mapleleafmjt
by Chi-town leafs on Jan 25, 2012 9:14 AM EST up reply actions
they should move columbus to the NE, Boston to the Atlantic.
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Realignment should allow us to trade Boston to Detroit/Chicago’s conference for Columbus and keep Florida and Tampa… 7 team division w/ 2 Florida teams and Columbus.
Finally got twitter...@mapleleafmjt
by Chi-town leafs on Jan 25, 2012 9:17 AM EST up reply actions
We should win that division every year.
by holymackinaw on Jan 25, 2012 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
thanks to our wonderous division system, the team that’s in 3rd place right now is tied in points with the teams in 7th, 8th and 9th.
by Goosemonster on Jan 25, 2012 9:19 AM EST up reply actions
They are still overachieving everyone’s expectations… but ya I’d love a 9th place finish for them
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 9:39 AM EST up reply actions
We are 5 points back with 3 games in hand too… Fla/Wash/NJ are all 5 points back with 4 games in hand… them falling out of the playoffs is not unreasonable…
I think it’s kind of funny how we’re talking about how close the standings are right now… there is literally 40% of the season still remaining. SO much can change.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 9:46 AM EST up reply actions
This caught my eye this morning when looking at the standings and a smile spread across my face. For a while there, looked like Ottawa could run away with 2nd place in the division and as high as 4th in the conference, now it’s possible they could miss the playoffs completely.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 25, 2012 9:54 AM EST up reply actions
does anyone
know where the goaltending stats from last season are? I’m wondering whether (as I think I had argued at various points last season) Gus’ big improvement this season is due in large part because of score effects.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 25, 2012 9:28 AM EST reply actions
i want the lazy version.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 25, 2012 9:30 AM EST up reply actions
you’ve been an enormous help.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 25, 2012 9:30 AM EST up reply actions
I’d help but I’m too tired to type out the address
/skinnied
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by HockeyAnalysis on Jan 25, 2012 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
i have a short attention span. i’ve already lost interest. but thanks.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 25, 2012 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
What are you looking for?
ES/PK splits? They’re on NHL.com
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Сертыфікаваны Grabbo Палюбоўнік
Goals for, not goals against.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 25, 2012 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
@mirtle
Another issue with keeping Liles is the cap. Was widely believed Leafs would only want to re-up one of Liles or Grabovski as UFAs.
Discuss
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I hope YouTube comes down to film this.
"Widely believed"?
That doesn’t really pass the smell test….
#TeamRe-SignGrabovski
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 9:47 AM EST up reply actions
Good luck finding a taker for a $3M 3rd liner who played 30 games a year.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 9:49 AM EST up reply actions
Good point.. maybe its Komisarek.. his salary next year is $3.5 mill, but his cap hit is $4.5… could help some teams hit the cap floor
Changing my "Goat of The Year" player from Armstrong to Kulemin
NMC
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NMC/Modified NTC (player supplies a trading list that can be modified each June 15)..
maybe we get lucky..?
Changing my "Goat of The Year" player from Armstrong to Kulemin
Also remember that if the choice comes down to waiving your NMC or sitting in the press box, most players will waive their NMC.
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by HockeyAnalysis on Jan 25, 2012 10:13 AM EST up reply actions
Unless Burke tells him those are his two options, I doubt he waives.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 10:14 AM EST up reply actions
he played 8 minutes last night the message might be implied
by WizardofNaz on Jan 25, 2012 10:29 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t buy that, but okay.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
Sitting on the bench and not playing might be worse than sitting in the press box eating popcorn.
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by HockeyAnalysis on Jan 25, 2012 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
… I’d prefer sitting on the bench personally… free gatorade and you get a nice view of the game
Finally got twitter...@mapleleafmjt
by Chi-town leafs on Jan 25, 2012 10:31 AM EST up reply actions
Most expensive seats in the house.
"They build a statue, they knock it down and piss on it, and now they will be out there building it again."
by ThickSkinnedAlive on Jan 25, 2012 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
Well technically they’re the cheapest… you get paid to sit there
Finally got twitter...@mapleleafmjt
by Chi-town leafs on Jan 25, 2012 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
Auction it off.
"They build a statue, they knock it down and piss on it, and now they will be out there building it again."
by ThickSkinnedAlive on Jan 25, 2012 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
Now we're dreaming.
N
M
C
I never thought Rolston would get traded either though, so what the fuck do I know
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 9:56 AM EST up reply actions
I think there are 10 teams he can’t block a trade to… or maybe he can block 10 teams. Either way there are teams we can trade him to without his permission.
by WizardofNaz on Jan 25, 2012 10:00 AM EST up reply actions
this blows
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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Leafs have to improve somehow. If they re-sign Liles, there’s less money in the pot for the other re-signings. And there isn’t enough young talent in the system that’s going to put the Leafs over the top. That means making a trade or bringing in a free agent, and you usually have to have cap space for those moves.
Pension Plan Puppets
I hope YouTube comes down to film this.
re-upping liles could open up others to trades (Schenn?)
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 25, 2012 9:54 AM EST up reply actions
LD vs RD
The plural of "anecdote" is not "data".
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by Draglikepull on Jan 25, 2012 9:56 AM EST up reply actions
Is Kypreos the only one who has heard that Liles may be re-signed? I haven’t seen this from anywhere else…
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by Chi-town leafs on Jan 25, 2012 9:55 AM EST up reply actions
What people are forgetting in this:
Liles is a very good offensive defenseman.
I do worry about the concussion, term and cap hit though.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 9:56 AM EST up reply actions
if he remains out the rest of the way, though, his cap # may be lower
Pension Plan Puppets
I hope YouTube comes down to film this.
Exactly this.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 25, 2012 9:57 AM EST up reply actions
Yes, but I would much rather the Leafs use the money they’d spend on re-signing him to re-sign Franson this year and Gunnar next year (especially Gunnar)
Finally got twitter...@mapleleafmjt
by Chi-town leafs on Jan 25, 2012 9:59 AM EST up reply actions
If the ONLY problem is salary, Burke will find a way to unload it elsewhere to keep the players he wants.
Burke clearly likes Liles.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 10:01 AM EST up reply actions
I’m more worried that re-signing Liles would mean Gunnar gets traded. Gardiner seems likely to continue getting top 4 minutes. Liles obviously will. Where does that leave Gunnarsson on our depth chart?
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by Draglikepull on Jan 25, 2012 9:55 AM EST up reply actions
Gunnar should be paired with whoever needs the most defensive support at the time, be it Schenn, Phaneuf, Komisarek…
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 9:57 AM EST up reply actions
Liles was getting less ES TOI per game than both Gardiner and Gunnarsson. He’ll be the third option at evens, but the first option at 5 v 4
Pension Plan Puppets
I hope YouTube comes down to film this.
And he won’t go DOWN in salary from his 4.2 especially when he can make 5ish on the open market. And 4.5+ for a 3rd pairing 1st PP Dman is STEEP!. Especially when Gardiner should continue to improve and fill in that role and Gunner/Franson is a very good 2nd PP pairing with Connolly also able to play point on the PP.
by WizardofNaz on Jan 25, 2012 10:03 AM EST up reply actions
I’d rather keep Grabbo than Liles, to be honest. Blacker may be pushing for a spot next year, which is something to keep in mind.
by Goosemonster on Jan 25, 2012 10:05 AM EST up reply actions
I really like Blacker. I wish Toronto would move out both Schenn and Komi and spend a little less money on defense next season.
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I don’t mind spending money on defense for good players (e.g. Suter). I’d really, really love if we could unload Komi’s contract, at least during the summer, to clear up that space.
by Goosemonster on Jan 25, 2012 10:09 AM EST up reply actions
Well, the Leafs aren’t getting Suter. And they’re not getting Parise.
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Oh I know, I’m just saying I don’t mind paying for good defenders. Just dont like paying for not so good ones.
by Goosemonster on Jan 25, 2012 10:10 AM EST up reply actions
What the Leafs really need to do to get rid of the Komisarek contract is take back one equally as awful salarywise, and bury it.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 10:10 AM EST up reply actions
Or try and get one of the D from nashville, then just roll a solid top 4 with Gunnar, Phaneuf, Suter & (gardiner/franson/liles) and then run the rooks at the bottom in an easy role
by Ben Schnell on Jan 25, 2012 10:09 AM EST up reply actions
This
So much this. The only player the leafs should be spending big money on signing is possibly suter.
Otherwise, move Komi, trade Liles at the deadline, save money to resign Gunnar in a year, and let guys like Blacker/Holzer have a shot at the big team on the cheap.
by LeftNutForAStarCenter on Jan 25, 2012 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
move Komi, trade Liles at the deadline
So much easier said than done.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
Keep them both for the playoff push. Once the playoffs start the games will all look like last night’s game. Komi and his size will be more valueable then. If you let Liles walk at least it opens up $4mill in cap space.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Jan 25, 2012 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
can we all agree that not ALL of our prospects will make the NHL in their second year pro?
Don’t get me wrong Blacker’s good guy and a good player, but it’s his first year pro.
let’s pump the brakes a bit here.
Dion Phaneuf: turning the tunes up since '10
by thenumber14 on Jan 25, 2012 10:09 AM EST up reply actions
Indeed, I didn’t say he’d make the team, just that he’d be pushing for a spot. Maybe I’m wrong about that, but I think he’ll get a fair look at camp.
by Goosemonster on Jan 25, 2012 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
He’s still very raw. I think Holzer would have a better chance at a bottom pairing.
Even if we move Komi and Schenn and lose Liles we still would have:
Gunner-Dion
Gardiner-Franson
Aulie-Holzer
And really do you see Burke getting rid of all 3 and not bring at least one more guy in?
by WizardofNaz on Jan 25, 2012 10:15 AM EST up reply actions
I’m of the belief Schenn won’t move. Not this year anyways.
by Goosemonster on Jan 25, 2012 10:15 AM EST up reply actions
The only way I see Schenn moving
is in a package for Suter , and then resiging Suter at 6yrs/$6.5mil.
by LeftNutForAStarCenter on Jan 25, 2012 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
Should read
The only way I dream of
by LeftNutForAStarCenter on Jan 25, 2012 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
I dunno
If i’d do that nonsensically rumored schenn/komi/grabo/kadri for nash trade.
I probably would, but I don’t know that I would, you know what I mean? I wouldn’t blink at losing komi/schenn, especially if we know liles is back soon. But Kadri & Grabo both makes me uncomfortable
by LeftNutForAStarCenter on Jan 25, 2012 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
Its Nash+… and that mystery box could be anything… even a boat!
by WizardofNaz on Jan 25, 2012 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
Not so fast Lois...
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That Aulie-Holzer pair would be a nightmare.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 25, 2012 10:15 AM EST up reply actions
mmhmm but the point remains that do you really think Burke would walk away from 3/4 of his best paid dmen and not bring at least one new guy in. Gutting the whole d-core to make room for Aulie, Blacker and Holzer goes completely against his whole philosophy
by WizardofNaz on Jan 25, 2012 10:31 AM EST up reply actions
It wouldn’t be such a big deal if the Leafs were paying Schenn/Komisarek $9.1 million to play not very well
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that was awful. trying again:
It wouldn’t be such an issue if the Leafs weren’t paying Schenn and Komisarek a combined $9.1m and receiving poor play in return.
Pension Plan Puppets
I hope YouTube comes down to film this.
another question:
How can the Leafs re-sign Franson for less than they gave Schenn? I don’t think it’s possible.
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I do like me some Cody Franson.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 25, 2012 10:14 AM EST up reply actions
mmmm Franson
Dion Phaneuf: turning the tunes up since '10
by thenumber14 on Jan 25, 2012 10:16 AM EST up reply actions
They can and will.
They could argue along the lines of the Gunnar contract.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 10:14 AM EST up reply actions
ding ding… I think he’ll get about 1.75 for 2 years.
by WizardofNaz on Jan 25, 2012 10:15 AM EST up reply actions
You think he'll cost $3.6M? You're dreaming.
Trade him right the fuck now then.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 10:17 AM EST up reply actions
Why don’t we trade Luke Schenn first….you know, the guy who’s already making 3.6 a season and not living up to it?
Pension Plan Puppets
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Gunnar has played over 20M per game on average since entering the league… put up points around 0.3 / game
Franson has played about 15M per game on average since entering the league… put up points around 0.37 / game
Ya i’d have a tough time giving Franson a shit ton more than Gunnar got.
http://www.hockey-reference.com/players/g/gunnaca01.html
http://www.hockey-reference.com/players/f/fransco01.html
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 10:20 AM EST up reply actions
Franson has more points and more NHL games than when Gunnarsson signed his contract. He’s also not arbitration eligible.
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He’s been playing 3rd pairing minutes this season, and before in Nashville. I think you’re way off on his $ value here.
I don’t necessarily disagree about Schenn though. I always have a hard time properly valuing him.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 10:31 AM EST up reply actions
Well, if I’m Franson’s agent I’m targeting Luke Schenn’s contract as near where I want to be.
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I hope YouTube comes down to film this.
and If I’m Burke I let them make their offer, laugh for a few minutes, and then provide a detailed explanation as to why that’s not going to happen.
by Goosemonster on Jan 25, 2012 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
And then I, as the agent, take my client and go sign an offer sheet.
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I hope YouTube comes down to film this.
This hypothetical situation has some good drama.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
I’d be surprised if someone offer sheeted him, and really surprised if they offer sheeted Franson for 3.5Mil.
On the other hand, the offer sheet would give Burke another opportunity to have a barn fight
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by Chi-town leafs on Jan 25, 2012 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
SJ offer sheeted Hjalmmersson for $3.5M
It’s not out of the realm of possibility.
If he gets an offer sheet that nets us a 1st? Fuck ya, take that shit.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
I’m going to go out on a limb and say that I’d rather have Hjalmmersson than Franson, but still it’s pretty rare to have an offer sheet.
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by Chi-town leafs on Jan 25, 2012 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
Hjalmarsson is better than Franson. The Sharks also did it to screw with the cap situation of a potential rival for the Stanley Cup. Franson situation in Toronto not at all similar.
The plural of "anecdote" is not "data".
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by Draglikepull on Jan 25, 2012 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
Then Burke takes the 1st and 3rd and laughs at the team signing Franson, and puts that money towards Liles or another UFA dman.
by WizardofNaz on Jan 25, 2012 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
Oh, a free 1st and a 3rd! Thanks, I’m still going to fight you, but thanks!
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by Chi-town leafs on Jan 25, 2012 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
You guys are talking about the Leafs offering him 1.75 million. At 3.1 million the Leafs would only get a second round pick.
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I hope YouTube comes down to film this.
Well then let’s hope Burke locks him up before that fucking happens.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
I’d still rather have Liles at 4.5 and a 2nd than Franson at 3.1
by WizardofNaz on Jan 25, 2012 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
Teams don’t offer-sheet. They should, and I think Franson might even make sense as a guy to target, but teams virtually never do it, and they won’t do it for Franson.
The plural of "anecdote" is not "data".
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by Draglikepull on Jan 25, 2012 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
I mean, honestly, Gunnarsson has apparently attracted trade interest since early last season, so teams clearly want him, but no one offer-sheeted him and the Leafs signed him to a steal of a deal. I don’t see why we would assume Franson will end up in a drastically different situation.
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by Draglikepull on Jan 25, 2012 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
Bingo. If they keep Franson, I think Gunnar is a fine comparable deal.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
Plus if anyone offer-sheeted Franson Burke would rent a barn.
by Goosemonster on Jan 25, 2012 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
Burke is pretty good with RFA deals, normally. I don’t think Schenn was that big of an overpay; it wasnt clear he was going to have such a tough season.
by Goosemonster on Jan 25, 2012 10:17 AM EST up reply actions
Schenn last year was looking like he was becoming the top5 pick dmen we all expected. This year he defecated in a lot of chapeaus. (I would’ve said beds but I don’t know the french word for that)
by WizardofNaz on Jan 25, 2012 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
I think it’s “chalice”
I shot a moose once, in upstate New York.
by not norm ullman on Jan 25, 2012 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
Schenn got big minutes in the second half of last season because they traded Beauchemin and their defensive group wasn’t deep. Aulie-Phaneuf, Gunnar – Schenn, Lashoff – Komisarek was the group towards the end of the year. As the Leafs have gotten more options this season, we’ve seen Schenn’s TOI fall back to earth.
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No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 9:47 AM EST up reply actions
Habs.
/fuckthatguy
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by not norm ullman on Jan 25, 2012 10:37 AM EST up reply actions
When the Getzlaf rumours started, I believed that getting a big #1c was not needed because it wouldn’t help the leafs in the scoring department.
But after watching these last two games, and watching the leafs get pushed around by the Islanders, I can’t help but cringe..
I see why the leafs need a big #1C. Someone who can hold his own and defend his linemates (aka Kessel).. If that person is Getzlaf, than make the deal cause at this rate, Kessel is going to get hurt before the end of the season.
I also believe they either need to tell Kulemin to get off is ass and start hitting, or replace him with Frattin who will hit.
Right now, Kulemin is basically a slight upgrade over Phillip Dupuis.
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Right now, Kulemin is basically a slight upgrade over Phillip Dupuis.
Holy shit
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Man, I’ve been bashing Kulemin pretty hard this season, but that’s just ridiculous.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 9:49 AM EST up reply actions
If RW would have put Kulemin on the 4th line with Steckel and Brown, he would probably have 0 points too after 30 games…
Whatever passion he had last year, it has disappeared. The man is the former shell of himself.
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/shakeshead.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 25, 2012 9:55 AM EST up reply actions
Oh and Graboski + MacArthur = awesomess!
I really wish RW would stop splitting those two up.
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Oh dear
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whats wrong with Grabovski and MacArthur?
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Kulemin is a shell of his former self but MacArthur is golden and a-okay?
RIght.
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MacArthur is on pace to score MORE goals than last year.
21 last year
14 to date this year
His on pace for 25+ goals.
Grabovski and MacArthur work well together. Kulemin has stopped doing what he used to do. Fight in the corners, protect the puck, and dish it out to his linemates.
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Yes but Mac was the playmaker on that line last year and this year he’s not getting the assists… maybe he’s being too greedy!!
by WizardofNaz on Jan 25, 2012 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
PASS!!
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Jan 25, 2012 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
it’s become a cliche, but do you even watch the games? the only thing Kulemin has stopped doing is scoring as much as last year
his game, other than that, and shooting a bit less, is identical
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 25, 2012 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
really?
His Corsi REL has gone from 13+ to 1.1.
He definitely hasn’t looked nearly as good this year, and it’s not just puck luck.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 25, 2012 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
you can play the same game and have different results
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 25, 2012 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
No longer the defacto #1 line that teams didn’t recognize as being a threat, and instead (as witnessed over the last two games) are now being used in a more defensive role and matched up against the opponents’ top lines.
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right, and Kulemin was always the defensive rock on that line, so his game remains the least changed
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 25, 2012 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
too lazy to check – are his shot totals down?
he also seems to be not going to the net as much…. the video montage on youtube of all his goals last season showed that he was getting a lot of goals from rebounds in close.
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Yes they are.
And adjusting for TOI doesn’t offset it.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
Just don’t tell Jared that he’s only driven the net ONCE all season.
but yeah, he’s taking a lot of low-percentage shots from some pretty bad locations.
he should be banging in garbage and getting all up in the goalie’s crease more.
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by thenumber14 on Jan 25, 2012 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
here’s the video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_Mx_iF-zXc
man he was fun to watch last year.
That's "Da-ooo". I killed a turkey once, with a shovel.
Yup, watch that, and you can see – and remember – the changes in style. Whether they’re his doing, or his linemates or the other team’s, I donno, but like with MacArthur’s reduced banging, I suspect there have been some changes to his own game.
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by not norm ullman on Jan 25, 2012 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
he’s done all of those things, you’re just mad that he hasn’t had a lot of puck luck this year.
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by thenumber14 on Jan 25, 2012 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
You should really stop drinking bleach, it’s making you say things that make you look like you don’t know what you are talking about
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 25, 2012 10:05 AM EST up reply actions
By "Passion" I assume you mean luck in the shooting department
Prior to last season, Kulemin was an ~11% shooter and had 15 and 16 goals in 2 seasons. Then out of nowhere, he goes and shoots over 17.3% and pots 30 goals while also having his highest shot total of his career.
This year is shot total has fallen back to Earth (on pace for ~125, just slightly below average) and his shooting luck is evening out last year by being just 6.9%, leading to only 5 goals, on pace for 10. Were he shooting his career average 11%, he’d be on pace for about 15-20 yet again, which is who he is. Also, if Kulemin has lost all passion, why is his goal total the only thing that’s dropped off this season? He’s got 15A, right on pace to repeat last year’s 27. You have decided to completely ignore this aspect of his game.
You and those like you harping on Kulemin were spoiled by his season last year and will no longer accept anything less despite all the evidence suggesting it was nothing but a fluke season in the shooting department. Kulemin is a hard nosed 15-20 goal, 40-50 point winger who ran into some bad shooting luck this season, nothing more, nothing less.
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My only real issue with Kulemin - and I even had it last year
He doesn’t shoot enough. Really my only complaint.
He never has.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
He had 173 shots last year, good for 114th in the league last year……..which averages out to being the 4th-5th most shooting forward on a team……which is exactly what Kulemin is. This year, and his average, he’s looking to take about 120-130 shots, moving him down squarely into the 5th shooter slot which shouldn’t be any surprise with a big shooter like Grabovski on his line.
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It upsets me because I think he could be so much better if he actually shot the puck more.
I think based on my previous chart-o-paloozas, it’s pretty obvious I’m big on players that shoot more often than not.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
Also...
this year he’s on pace for 120 shots if he plays all 82 games.
That is by far his lowest number of shots since his rookie season.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
Also....
He’s had his PP time greatly reduced since last season.
2010-11, 2:39 of PP time a game
2011-12, 1:06 of PP time a game
Want to know why his numbers are down? Blame Joffrey Lupl’s resurgence.
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Hmm I need to look at his shots at evens
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
Want to know why that whole line is suffering from a slight dip in production? They are no longer the defacto #1 line. I’m pretty sure their minutes are down this year and less PP time.
by WizardofNaz on Jan 25, 2012 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
Look at that!
More evidence to suggest that perhaps there are more systemic reasons for Kulemin’s supposed struggles than the simple and stupid argument that “he’s lost his passion”.
Last season
Grabbo 19:21
Kulie 17:19
Mac 17:06
This season
Grabbo 17:02
Kulie 15:19
Mac 14:36
The First Certified Grabbo Lover
I’m at work so I can’t do this but what are their pt/60 this season vs last season… even and PP. I bet they are fairly similar.
by WizardofNaz on Jan 25, 2012 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
I think Grabs might be higher, Kulemin lower, and mac the same
by Ben Schnell on Jan 25, 2012 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
yet he’s lost the least amount of ice time of the 3? doesn’t add up
by WizardofNaz on Jan 25, 2012 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
Grabbo is on pace to beat his goals/points from last year
MacA is on pace to score more goals than last year
Kulie is on pace to 40% less points with only 12% less ice time.
Still doesn’t had up..
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It does, as was pointed out – his assists are pretty much on par, his goal scoring is way down.
His goal scoring is down due to a 10% absolute drop in shooting percentage. If he was shooting 17% his point total would be similar.
Regression to the mean is a bitch. If you add up his goals from this year and his goals from last year and the shots he averages out to around his career average. Its like math works or something
by WizardofNaz on Jan 25, 2012 11:06 AM EST up reply actions
Let's use pictures!
Here’s Kulemin Shots last year compared to this year
Please note – we’re comparing 82 games vs 42 games, and the gap between the circles.. someone’s not driving to the net.. someone’s is mostly shooting from the perimeter.
Is shooting percentage his down cause he isn’t doing what he did last year.
Hopefully this works 
If it doesn’t here’s the link – http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/62/kuleh.jpg/
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Where was Kulemin when he was shooting from the middle like that?
Oh yeah, in front of the net on the PP which he’s barely on anymore.
Here’s another line comparision. Shots/60
Last season
Grabbo 9.15
Kulie 7.3
Mac 6.59
This season
Grabbo 7.5
Kulie 5.8
Mac 7.2
Both Grabbo and Kulie have seen their shots decrease by about 1.5 shots a game and Mac is actually shooting a bit more. Again, I suggest it’s not Kulemin that’s changed (aside from the shooting %) but the team around them that’s reduced his role through the additions of Lupul, Connolly, and Kadri.
The First Certified Grabbo Lover
It’s not just the reduced time on the PP though, Skinny. Kulemin got very few goals last year on the PP, just 5 (he has 1 this year.)
There’s just much less of Kulie in the paint and between the circles. Maybe it’s that he’s changed. Maybe his linemates. Maybe their role. And maybe the response of other teams. But I think part of that line coming back to life, offensively, will have to be Kulie going to the net, the others shooting more so he can eat some rebounds – or in Mac’s case, maybe him banging in the corners a bit more, and getting the puck free for Kulie.
I want the guy back as a 20+ goal man, and I don’t think, with his skills, that’s at all impossible – even if he’s working hard defensively.
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by not norm ullman on Jan 25, 2012 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
Qual Comp is about the same this season and last.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 25, 2012 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
Where was Kulemin when he was shooting from the middle like that?
Oh yeah, in front of the net on the PP which he’s barely on anymore.
Those pictures are Kulemin’s even strength shots only…
I wouldn’t even be able to compare his PP shots since he’s only taken 6 shots this year.
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I didn’t know “passion” could be measured with stats..
I usually use what i see on the ice to judge passion
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Seriously, I also bet he thinks Kadri doesn;t turn the puck ovr much
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I think Kadri is expendable.
and last time we argued Leafer84, you thought I was insane cause I would take Franson over Schenn.
Have you changed your mind on that issue over the past 2 months?
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I have, Franson as outplayed Schenn.
Yay. You were right about one thing.
HOORAY FOR YOU
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That, however, could easily change in the next 2 months.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 25, 2012 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
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by thenumber14 on Jan 25, 2012 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
I’m guessing your want of Franson over Schenn was an informed decision backed up by some sort of quantifiable study and not just you spitballing right?
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I would say he wasn’t the only one and birky said the same thing, but as we all know, birky is an asshole
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Watching the games…
I also watched last season, looked how Lupul was shaping up and made him my “hero of the season” in the PPP thread at the start of the season.
I’m also a big fan of Frattin, but I think Colborne might be overated, but I’ve only seen him play 3-4 games.. so I’m not sure yet.
I hated Gutavsson at the start of the season, but think he’s had a major turn around, I think they should keep playing Gustavsson till the end of the season.
I just watch the game.. see how they play, how they react, etc..
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you watch games in a really fucking weird way apparently
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 25, 2012 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
My only issue with Kulemin is he doesn’t drive to the net with the puck, other than that, he still forecheck, backchecks and does the other stuff well.
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Exactly he still works hard in the corners but he’s not going to the net hard like he did last year. I would bet 10-15 of his goals last year involved him driving to the net.
by WizardofNaz on Jan 25, 2012 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
I think I’ve seen him drive to the net only once.. and that resulted in his penalty shot + goal.
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once? ONCE? oh for fuck sakes, he doesn’t do it 3x a game or anything, but once all season? that is redonkulous
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 25, 2012 11:48 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
wow that rule was confusing as hell. Thanks anyways.
by Goosemonster on Jan 25, 2012 10:00 AM EST up reply actions
something about defecting player or some player having a contract by another team unfulfilled, for the record.
by Goosemonster on Jan 25, 2012 10:18 AM EST up reply actions
More about being under contract for a length of time and making under a certain dollar value
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by fair_n_hite_451 on Jan 25, 2012 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
If he plays over 30 minutes in X number of games (20?) he retains his RFA status. If he doesn’t, he’s a UFA.
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by Bower Power on Jan 25, 2012 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
Reading the rules made me want to be in law, those guys must have made a killing working the rules into nonsensical garbble.
by Goosemonster on Jan 25, 2012 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
… how do you do smugface?
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by Chi-town leafs on Jan 25, 2012 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
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by Chemmy on Jan 25, 2012 6:30 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I gotta say, I’m really disappointed that no one has caught the joke in the pie chart above. You’re slacking PPPers.
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by SkinnyFish on Jan 25, 2012 9:55 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
I just looked at it again looking for a joke and I still don’t get it
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 9:58 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You just need to try a little harder, give 110%.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 25, 2012 10:01 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Damnit, just got it. And I’m even a math major.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 10:02 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I can barely add!
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 25, 2012 10:03 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That would’ve required to actually pay attention early in the morning…
by WizardofNaz on Jan 25, 2012 10:07 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Math in the morning sucks, I thought Skinny was referring to the intangible intangibles…is that like a double negative and actual means tangibles, if so the percentage is too high
Bam Bam.- digga digga damm
by Eterrible on Jan 25, 2012 10:57 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think the joke is “Hockey Ability – 2%”
I just assumed that to be true for JFJ though…
by holymackinaw on Jan 25, 2012 12:48 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The first thing I checked was to see if the % added up to more than 100. Then when I noticed it was 110% I had me a chuckle.
by c_gee on Jan 25, 2012 5:51 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Fuck, i;d be more happy about the Thomas and Bruins “controversy” if Boston didn’t have Rask waiting to continue killing us.
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by Chi-town leafs on Jan 25, 2012 9:57 AM EST up reply actions
Exactly, now let’s just sit back and watch the fireworks as the bruins go into a nosedive :)
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by thenumber14 on Jan 25, 2012 10:04 AM EST up reply actions
/grabs popcorn
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Jan 25, 2012 10:31 AM EST up reply actions
one can dream, though I also kind of want them to beat up on all the teams below us, and then we can go to each game and let Thomas know the real threat to his liberty is the Toronto fucking Maple Leafs.
by Goosemonster on Jan 25, 2012 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
That’s Tuukka “5 goals to Ovechkinless Caps” Rask to you, bub.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 9:59 AM EST up reply actions
The Capitals last scored 5 goals on December 7th vs Ottawa which is the only time they have scored 5 goals since November 4th. Their first game without Ovechkin and they score 5 on maybe the best defensive team in the league. Strange how things work out some times.
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by HockeyAnalysis on Jan 25, 2012 10:22 AM EST up reply actions
Its fairly well documented (I think) that when a star player misses a few games the role players step up and play above their talent for the first couple games however over time they revert back to their true talent level.
by WizardofNaz on Jan 25, 2012 10:37 AM EST up reply actions
Ah, the Ewing Theory
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Happened back in the day with us whenever Sundin got injured.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Jan 25, 2012 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
Which makes sense. One of the biggest differences between eilte players and non-elite players is consistency. If role players could step up and play that way all the time they wouldn’t be role players
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by T is for Truculence on Jan 25, 2012 1:50 PM EST up reply actions
Hey, even if Kyper is full of shit
He at least gave us something new to talk about.
No no, dig UP stupid.
Are you the real kyper?
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by not norm ullman on Jan 25, 2012 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
Did thosefuckersatTSN rat me out?
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 10:41 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Nicely played.
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by jrwendelman on Jan 25, 2012 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
game in 6 is up
watch the goodness here.
by ChrisFromParadise on Jan 25, 2012 10:41 AM EST reply actions
LeafsTV does something called the Melt in Six which is just like the game in 6 but without any commentators ruining it. It’s great.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 25, 2012 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
Agreed. I dream of every HNIC broadcast being in Melt Mode
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by Isosceles Kramer on Jan 25, 2012 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
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by jimmyp22 on Jan 25, 2012 10:42 AM EST reply actions 5 recs
You desecrated the maple leaf.
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yeah he might have waffle’d on that one.
by Goosemonster on Jan 25, 2012 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
Liked MacArthur’s energy last night. When he brings that and takes it to the net, he’s a 20-25 goal man. He’s still shy of the corners though. I watched him turn away twice, really obviously, last night, and head towards open ice. Maybe he’s been told to, though that’s hard to imagine. Stats-wise, his hits are massively down – he had 115 in 82 games last year, and just 27 in 42 this year. I know that stat isn’t worth all that much, but in this case, I think it signifies something’s changed in his game. Even if he was now spending more time on the 3rd and 4th lines, I can’t see why those figures would fall off so sharply. Maybe some kindof upper body injury he can play with, but not hit that much? Maybe complacency? Maybe figures himself a scorer? Donno.
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by not norm ullman on Jan 25, 2012 10:51 AM EST reply actions
I’m just crossing my fingers that last night was the new dawn of the resurgance of MGK.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
He’s completely shite on the PP half-boards, though. They have to get him off the PP.
by 9 Dollar Beer on Jan 25, 2012 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
btw
did anyone see how the 3 options for Grabo including him getting a “hefty raise” to all of 3.5 mil per. If he signs for 3.5 mil he better be fucking staying with the Leafs. If Burke lets him walk because 3.5 is too much I’ll lose my mind. Even 4.5 is a no brainer for me for resigning him.
especially since I think it’s clear that Grabbo > Connolly
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by Chi-town leafs on Jan 25, 2012 10:57 AM EST up reply actions
I wish trading Connolly was the go-to likely scenario….
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by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 10:57 AM EST up reply actions
wait, I thought everyone loved the Connolly signing.
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I hope YouTube comes down to film this.
I do… I would prefer to keep them both if possible. However if forced I’d keep Grabo first.
by WizardofNaz on Jan 25, 2012 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
It should have been you, Brad.
/thingsonlyI’mthinking
/yesthatcontractishorribleiknow
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by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
his play as of late has been mostly “meh”, but what are you going to do. If a unicorn C comes in, then I’d say maybe find a way to move him but otherwise….
by Goosemonster on Jan 25, 2012 11:00 AM EST up reply actions
Heh. I wrote back in the summer that the Connolly and Bozak signings, and the addition of Joe Colborne, made a Grabovski extension unlikely. It’s just a numbers game.
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I hope YouTube comes down to film this.
Sort of a similar argument for Liles right now though, no?
I guess he hasnt’ actually signed yet
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by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
From ESPN
Craig Custance
Can confirm reports that a contract extension announcement coming for John-Michael Liles. Expected to be a four-year deal.
4 minutes ago
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by Chi-town leafs on Jan 25, 2012 11:13 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Here we go...
CraigCustance
Can confirm reports that a contract extension announcement coming for John-Michael Liles. Expected to be a four-year deal.
No no, dig UP stupid.
Depending on the number, I might be the only one happy with this signing
Money now has to move out if we’re keeping Grabovski though.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 11:14 AM EST up reply actions
You would think it would make sense for Burke to make this deal after he’s moved out some salary – now we’re obviously willing sellers of Dmen and have less leverage
I’m sad to think that it might be Grabovski to Chicago… they’ve been looking for a 2C apparently and have some cap room.
I feel like we’re going to not get what he’s worth.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
i will be livid if he ends up in chicago. those fuckers don’t deserve him.
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they deserve him if they want to overpay.
by Goosemonster on Jan 25, 2012 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
that will give me a very big sad to see him in a Hawks jersey when the Leafs come
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by Chi-town leafs on Jan 25, 2012 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe not, maybe the other deal’s done, just waiting on paperwork?
I don’t like Liles for four years. Too long IMO – he’ll be like Kaberle at the end of the deal.
so we move him for a second and top prospect, then some how use that second to get him back
by JohnerstonRex on Jan 25, 2012 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
Stealing my thunder there…
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by Chi-town leafs on Jan 25, 2012 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
Burke going to tie up some money to set the Leafs up for a big money dump trade?
Being a Leafs fan makes me bipolar.
Before the number comes out - Predictions?
I’m going to go with 4 × 4.5M
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by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
I’ll second your guess… 4.5 was my number too
I would love something less but I just don’t see him going under his previous 4.2
by WizardofNaz on Jan 25, 2012 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
Thats my guess
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Kind of like the Kaberle 4 x 4.25 back in the day but adjusted for inflation? I dunno
I feel like a lot of people are about to be really pissed. We’re going to need multiple threads today.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
I’m seeing people on twitter suggesting under $3M. That seems… unlikely.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
What is this, price is right?
So, apparently I can now be followed.. but no stalking. @alsonamedphil
regardless, the Leafs are likely to have 4 guys locked in through 2013-2014 for a combined $18+ million. Those four also aren’t good enough to comprise the Leafs top two pairings.
Someone has to move.
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I hope YouTube comes down to film this.
No disagreement here. That’s too much on the backend for basically a sub-par defense.
Burke has just made the defense situation…. interesting.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
Positives?
Lack of extra cap space will prevent the Leafs from overspending July 1…. goodbye Parise and Suter pipedreams, hello cap-space dump scenarios.
Komi to NYI for a 7th
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by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
oh fuck, that would be bad
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 25, 2012 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
Dont know why he would do this without being able to get rid of other salary (e.g. a Komi like contract) and I dont know how he could do that….
by Goosemonster on Jan 25, 2012 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
Has their ever before been a contract extension for a player that was at that time unable to play?
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I feel like the answer is yes I just can't think of the example.
Well, Phil Kessel was technically still recovering from surgery… maybe Markov extension in MTL?
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by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
No, just for a coach who was unable to coach.
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by GreatKingRat on Jan 25, 2012 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
Just so everyone knows
I’m taking FULL credit for the Leafs comeback win last night. Apparently all it took for them to start playing hockey and scoring goals was my laptop to over heat and force me to stop watching the game and commenting here. You’re welcome.
We won’t forget your sacrifice.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
Coincidence? I think not...
Yesterday, before the Leafs game, I noticed that my mom had picked this up at the grocery store:
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by MLS on Jan 25, 2012 11:27 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
2011 Honda Clearout for only $5500? That’s a hell of a deal…
by SlickWill on Jan 25, 2012 11:46 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
So this contract will take Liles on Liles until he’s 35. Hope someone’s moving on our defense to make salary room…..
also bet Burke calls a press conference on this, as he’s done it for less….
by Goosemonster on Jan 25, 2012 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
GUYS GUYS GUYS ITS A WEDNESDAY!! THAT MEANS TRADES AS WELL!!
by WizardofNaz on Jan 25, 2012 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
Burke would call a press conference to announce where he’s eating lunch.
And then at the press conference he’d add “Oh btw i traded Komisarek for Iginla.”
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by Ubiquitous on Jan 25, 2012 11:50 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
only if the 6th is a 2014 pick otherwise no deal.
by Goosemonster on Jan 25, 2012 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
Its a burke trade so all the picks would be conditional.
by WizardofNaz on Jan 25, 2012 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
Its a burke trade so all the picks would be columbus.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 12:01 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think I may be having a stroke.
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by jrwendelman on Jan 25, 2012 12:05 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Its a burke trade so all the columbus would be conditional.
by Ben Schnell on Jan 25, 2012 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
Its a burke trade so all the picks would be conditional.
by Tickle Me Aulie on Jan 25, 2012 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
Its a burke trade so all the picks would be conditional.
At least it's not Lebda.
by Nifty Mittens on Jan 25, 2012 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
Its a burke trade so all the picks would be conditional.
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by not norm ullman on Jan 25, 2012 1:04 PM EST up reply actions
Its a burke trade so all the picks would be conditional.
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by fair_n_hite_451 on Jan 25, 2012 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
right after signing an extension? That’d be weird.
by Goosemonster on Jan 25, 2012 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
Setoguchi says what up
But seriously, Liles isn’t going anywhere now
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by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
some will have to if we want room to resign our RFAs and potentially pick up a player this summer.
by Goosemonster on Jan 25, 2012 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
Still plenty of time before then
so much can change in an instant.
Buyout amnesty, trades, cap going up/down…
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by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
yeah there is a lot of time before then, true. But I’d like to think Burke will do at least one trade, and in the past with us he’s eaten salaries perceived, for whatever reason, to be too big (Lombardi, Lupul at the time given he was on the 3rd line there + bad injury, Giguere), though he can always deal salary for salary.
by Goosemonster on Jan 25, 2012 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
All signs do point in that direction. February might be a silly trade month.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
Im not sure how nuts it will be this year. There’s a few sellers but a lot of buyers given how close the east is right now.
by Goosemonster on Jan 25, 2012 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
this does lend weight to the eklund rumour that Komi is on his way out for nash though!
/notserious
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 25, 2012 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
Howson is stupid, but not retarded…….ok maybe he is retarded but still that’s like crazy retarded.
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well, say random rumours from his ass guy is right and Nash is being traded to toronto
salary has to go back, and that means that at least two 3+ mill guy is going the other way, other than komi that leaves Armstrong, Connolly, Schenn, and grabbo as movable salary
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 25, 2012 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
That seems likely
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by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
Come on...
I doubt Nash is going anywhere. I can’t even entertain that as a hypothetical. If anyone’s moving it’ll be Carter to Toronto, not Nash.
right, but the same thing applies with the moving of salary
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 25, 2012 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
Oh shit we forgot to factor him into the cap next year! Damnit!
Un-sign Liles, quick!
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by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
I wish he was actually really good, just to be able to tell teams they got Finger’d when he scored.
by Goosemonster on Jan 25, 2012 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
Honestly...
He’s not that bad. I mean he’s better than a handful of defenders in the NHL right now; it’s just his cap hit is like a horrific night-terror.
I think this idea has been played out. Maybe at the time he went down it was, but he hasn’t even been great in the AHL.
It’ll be interesting to see if anyone offers him even a 2-way next year.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
my guess he goes to Europe, but then again Columbus signed Lebda.
by Goosemonster on Jan 25, 2012 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
Liles
getting re-signed to 4 more years. I did not see that coming.
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by PassivelyTruculent on Jan 25, 2012 12:04 PM EST reply actions
It’s up on TSN that they will announce he’s getting re-signed. They’re usually right about these things.
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by PassivelyTruculent on Jan 25, 2012 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
I do not follow?
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by PassivelyTruculent on Jan 25, 2012 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry… we’ve been talking about 600 comments above about it
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by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 12:09 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Over 500 comments and I just Shift+A lol
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by PassivelyTruculent on Jan 25, 2012 12:10 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
New predictions: NTC/NMC
I’m going to say full NTC with a partial NTC in the 4th year.
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Burke doesn’t give out full NTCs without there being extraordinary circumstances (e.g. Giguere’s child requiring certain medical care)
by Goosemonster on Jan 25, 2012 12:18 PM EST up reply actions
So Confused
Sportsnet had "New deal coming for Liles? " for a headline before lunch, Now TSN has JM Liles has signed a 4 year deal. Sportsnet still has "New deal coming for Liles? " No wonder I watch TSN all the time.
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Jean-Michael Liles contract extension with TOR is four years with AAV of $3.875 million. His current AAV on final year of old deal is $4.2M.
I cannot wait to be paying a 35 year old 3.875.
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by Bower Power on Jan 25, 2012 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
He’s still very good at hockey and barring concussion issues (big IF), he will continue to be serviceable for at least a couple more. If he’s on the decline in the final year that $3.875m will not be a huge problem to move.
Or bury in the minors.
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by PassivelyTruculent on Jan 25, 2012 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
Burke is not signing a contract that he expects he’ll have to bury in the minors.
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by Bower Power on Jan 25, 2012 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
Things happen.
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by PassivelyTruculent on Jan 25, 2012 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
The upside is that by the time he’s 35 he’ll only be playing 40 games a year, so his actual cap hit will be pretty small and we can use that time to give guys like Blacker some ice time.
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by Draglikepull on Jan 25, 2012 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
TSNBobMcKenzie Bob McKenzie
Jean-Michael Liles contract extension with TOR is four years with AAV of $3.875 million. His current AAV on final year of old deal is $4.2M.
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While I like Liles, I think a lot can go wrong with a deal this long at his age.
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Re-signing during a concussion sure was strange timing.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe there’s a trade looming.
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by PassivelyTruculent on Jan 25, 2012 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
that’s all I can think, but I have no idea. It just seems weird to sign him now.
by Goosemonster on Jan 25, 2012 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
Same here, especially since he’s still injured.
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by PassivelyTruculent on Jan 25, 2012 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
unless he’s already cleared and expected to play post ASG… Maybe he would’ve been good to go last night but they thought “why bother for one game when he can have another whole week off no worries”
by WizardofNaz on Jan 25, 2012 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
ball hair
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 25, 2012 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
Why? He signed for less....right?
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Until he’s 35. So much for stopgap.
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by Self Destructive Zones on Jan 25, 2012 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
It’s a lot, given the term. Think Liles will be productive at 35?
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I mean, Kaberle is, right?
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by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t even think he’ll be 3.8M-productive at 34.
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by Bower Power on Jan 25, 2012 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
I’m not terribly concerned given the Leafs willingness to bury shitty contracts. At the end of the day, I really don’t care if a guy makes $100,000 or $10,000,000 a year. If he helps the team win, I’m happy.
by BeyondBeleaf on Jan 25, 2012 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
It’s an attitude that makes no sense with a salary cap in place. Players have to provide good value on the ice AND against the cap.
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by Draglikepull on Jan 25, 2012 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
I think any dreams of $3.5M or less were completely unrealistic
He’s an offensive defenseman and a good one at that.
He’d get at least this on the open market.
Still is kind of confusing why Burke felt he needed to be the one to pay it, but I guess he really likes Liles.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
It makes no sense if there is a lack of cap space to begin with, which there is not. If you’re the Stanley Cup winning Blackhawks, yes, this wouldn’t be a good move. The Leafs don’t have cap issues and won’t have them for the foreseeable future.
by BeyondBeleaf on Jan 25, 2012 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
one could argue he took term (4 years) and traded salary (making less than he did last year)
by Goosemonster on Jan 25, 2012 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
I don't hate the number
I don’t love it either, but after hearing the 4 year extension, I figured it’d be higher.
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His point production is really really good
Point production by defensemen over past 2 seasons by Pts/Game
13th in the league, around Ehrhoff, Pronger, Wideman, Shea Weber, James Wisniewski
Pick any time horizon you want, he’s up there. And consistent.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
Hope he can keep it up! No one else seems to have.
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by Bower Power on Jan 25, 2012 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
odd. fixed
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by Bower Power on Jan 25, 2012 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
this is so misleading. have a look at this list. Thats all the D that could match those criteria. i dont see too many of them that were 45pt scorers before that..
by Ben Schnell on Jan 25, 2012 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
20% of players score when they’re older than 34,
But if you take out all the best players, only 5% of players score when they’re older than 34!
Therefore this player only has a 5% chance to keep scoring when he’s 34!
by Ben Schnell on Jan 25, 2012 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
speaking of HoFer Dmen… do you think Lidstrom has the 3 year waiting period waived for him like Lemieux and Gretzky did? Or is he just not quite iconic enough.
by WizardofNaz on Jan 25, 2012 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
Did Paul Coffey and/or Ray Borque have their waiting time axed?
In any case, I can bet I know what one particular fan base thinks should happen.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 25, 2012 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
No.
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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He’s arguably the best Dman since Orr… I would say he’s better than Coffey and Borque
by WizardofNaz on Jan 25, 2012 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
Debatable. Still doesn;t deserve to have the 3 yr waiting period waived
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by leafer1984 on Jan 25, 2012 12:52 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Fair enough. Now go tell that to Red Wings fans lol.
by WizardofNaz on Jan 25, 2012 12:55 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Like who, Skinny?
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by PassivelyTruculent on Jan 25, 2012 1:01 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I mean the crazies that Lambert likes to troll
by WizardofNaz on Jan 25, 2012 1:02 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Can’t
I’m waiting for them to get Osgood elected so we can turn around and discount Lidstrom’s career by saying he played in front of HHOF goalie.
Then i watch their heads asplode.
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by clrkaitken on Jan 25, 2012 7:56 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
that is evil
i like it
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 25, 2012 7:59 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
If Osgood gets elected our heads will explode first.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Jan 25, 2012 8:19 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Regardless, on sports talk radio one morning the hosts were asking people to call and weigh in on who is the biggest icon in Detroit sports at present between:
Calvin Johnson
Matt Stafford
Verlander
Lidstrom
Zetterberg
For most, it was a toss-up between Calvin and Verlander, nobody gave a second thought to Verlander. This is whats wrong with sports in Detroit. While I can accept that football and baseball (and even basketball, save for the last 4 years) rule this town, but, when you have a guy who is has dominated the Norris trophy for the last decade and constantly ranks in the “top 5” players all time at his position, and (probably most important) has had the “staying power” (i.e. consistency) over any of the other guys, yet, you can’t even recognize him as an icon, you got problems.
…pffft.. “hockeytown” this place is not.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 25, 2012 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
it’s like that everywhere in the U.S. I doubt Lundqvist even makes it into the conversation in NY, Toews and Kane are somewhat in the conversation, but that’s because the Cubs, Bears, and Sox all suck (some more than others). Don’t even try to argue that any California player would come into the conversation.
Boston is Tom Brady, Paul Pierce/Rondo, or a Sox player
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by Chi-town leafs on Jan 25, 2012 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
I get it, but in Detroit (which calls itself “hockeytown”) you’d expect the guy who’s served as captain for over half a decade and dominated his position for over decade to get some consideration over guys who’ve just come out in the last couple of years.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 25, 2012 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
Hell I’m happy with a hockey player or 2 winding up the list. The NFL just flat out dominates the U.S, hockey’s only hope for really competing as an equal with the NFL was if the NFL had cancelled the season.
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by Chi-town leafs on Jan 25, 2012 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
Even then, football would receive more coverage for their “contract talks” than the NHL playoffs.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 25, 2012 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
kind of the same way people were debating who was most important figure in Pittsburgh sports. A huge debate over Lemieux and Big Ben.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 25, 2012 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
btw should have read:
gave a second thought toVerlanderLidstrom.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 25, 2012 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
I’d have Bourque and Robinson ahead of him as best D’s I’ve seen, so no.
by Nigel Cadbury on Jan 25, 2012 9:31 PM EST up reply actions
Here’s for 32-35 year olds.
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After looking it over
I think Rafalski is Liles’ best case scenario for the duration of the contract.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
Similar money to Schenn and less then Komi.
Also in 3 years team cap space should increase so his cap space will decrease as %.
Hope he doesn’t become gonchar or markov.
Uh
Gonchar was still incredibly productive at 35, and is still decently productive at 37.
We should hope he’s as offensively productive as Gonchar throughout this contract.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
almost certainly he wanted term over money.
by Goosemonster on Jan 25, 2012 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
I am ok with this.
3 years may have been better , I was expecting north of 4 mil. He does make this team better.
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Reimer........
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So...
Chalk up a Leaf fan who will be cheering for the Wings tonight! Anyone else?
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 25, 2012 12:18 PM EST reply actions
I have the same dilemma (sort of): Larry Murphy jersey or hybrid Leafs/Wings Brett Lebda… kind of a wash.
/Idon’tactuallyhaveanyofthosetwo
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 25, 2012 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
Any word on a NMC or NTC
I hate those things
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Reimer........
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This is the only logical concern for any fan regarding this contract. If there is a NMC lacking, give him all the money he wants. Bury him if he’s crappy. Easy.
by BeyondBeleaf on Jan 25, 2012 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
He’ll be the 45th d-man in terms of cap hit, dropping from 31. Other household names like Kubina, Brewer, Spacek and Beauchemin did or will be making only slightly less at the age of 35 when his contract ends.
This isn’t really that bad.
@yearofme
The dollar figure in a vaccuum is fine. Taking him to 35 is worrying.
How this team’s defensive core will look now is also very very unclear.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, its problematic to think of the deal just in terms of what its going to cost. We’ll see how everything else plays out I guess.
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by Self Destructive Zones on Jan 25, 2012 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
If we skip out on Bryan-McCabes-dream-season (PP laden 05-06), just 17 NHL defensemen have recorded one or more 30 point seasons at or above the age of 34.
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What if we take out their first 13 games?
by holymackinaw on Jan 25, 2012 1:05 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Ever see the movie not another teen movie and that guy tries the slow clap at the wrong time and everyone looks at him weird.
You’re that guy
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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by leafer1984 on Jan 25, 2012 1:18 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Ever see the movie not another teen movie
No I have a functioning brain.
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rec’d for bothering leafer1984
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EVERYBODY GETS AN OVERPRICED CONTRACT
Seriously, $3.875M stings like crazy.
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by SkinnyFish on Jan 25, 2012 12:23 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
not really. it’s more like a mild mosquito bite.
That's "Da-ooo". I killed a turkey once, with a shovel.
Maybe daoust is allergic to bees.
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by Self Destructive Zones on Jan 25, 2012 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
At least with a bee sting people are sympathetic. You’re just supposed to ignore mosquito bites even though they kill.
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FTFY
You’re just supposed to ignore mosquito bites even though theykillitch.
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by PassivelyTruculent on Jan 25, 2012 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
It's not overpriced IMO.
But I know I’m about to be bombarded with stats of offensive dmen at age 34 of why I’m wrong.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t really care about the tail end, cap will go up, or he could be dealt, or who knows what else could happen.
It’s only 4 years, pretty low-cap hit.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 25, 2012 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
less than he’s making now, its not really a bad contract at all, I agree. yes his age will be worrying, but until I hear NMC I won’t get upset about it.
by Goosemonster on Jan 25, 2012 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
All of those guys are / were making more than $3.875M.
The contract itself isn’t a huge overpay.
The expected production from Liles at age 34 is obviously lower than what it has been.
I don’t think this is an overpay.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
do we really believe he’ll be a 20 point player any more than we believe he’ll be a 60 point player?
chances are even in the final year he’s a 30-40 point player.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 25, 2012 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
yep.
considering what some Dmen around the league are earning I really don’t have a problem with this.
That's "Da-ooo". I killed a turkey once, with a shovel.
agreed.
jerk.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 25, 2012 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
Would anyone be shocked if Liles got this deal on another team on July 1?
I doubt it. It would probably seem like a good deal then for a UFA. In a vaccuum the contract is fine.
Within the context of the Leafs D however, it makes it seriously complicated.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
I think it’s one year too long, even in a vacuum, based on his age and likely decline in play. The signing becomes worse when it topples our understanding of the Leafs’ defensive depth chart.
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by Bower Power on Jan 25, 2012 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
Disagree about the deal in a vaccuum.
I think it’s a legit good deal for the type of player he is (assuming his concussion doesn’t change his game). His agent likely demanding the 4 year deal to make it happen.
I want to see what Burke does next before crucifying him for handcuffing our cap.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
locking a guy up until he’s only 35 doesn’t give the player a ton of security. he definitely could have gotten longer on the market.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 25, 2012 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
Really?
I’m trying to think of UFA dmen who have gotten more than 4 years recently.
I can only think of Pronger, Ehrhoff off the top of my head. I guess Pronger was technically not UFA but you know what I mean.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
Timonen is maybe a good comparable. signed a 6 year 6.3M/per when he was 31
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 25, 2012 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
I’m not so sure on the term, but maybe more money
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by PassivelyTruculent on Jan 25, 2012 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
I’m hard-pressed to make any sweeping statements about this team until I see the roster on March 1st, for sure, but things made a lot more sense when Liles was a stopgap played out of a role by the surprising Gardiner, rather than a key piece of the team going forwards.
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by Bower Power on Jan 25, 2012 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
Kaberle, who is often considered Liles comparable, is having an awful awful season at age 33
And he’s already put up 20 points. Projected to put up 30-35.
20 point guess was obviously for dramatic effect.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
and Liles will be making less than Kabs
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 25, 2012 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
He was having an awful season in Carolina, he’s doing a lot better with the Habs.
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by PassivelyTruculent on Jan 25, 2012 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
that’s probably due to Carolina sucking really badly.
by Goosemonster on Jan 25, 2012 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
lol Habs
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by PassivelyTruculent on Jan 25, 2012 12:50 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
they were at the time Kabi was on Carolina, IIRC.
by Goosemonster on Jan 25, 2012 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
Just barely
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by PassivelyTruculent on Jan 25, 2012 1:02 PM EST up reply actions
All those guys are defensively superior, as well. Is Liles a #1 or 2 defenseman on a playoff-caliber team? He’s a utility player, and in a good year he’s “not a defensive liability.”
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by Bower Power on Jan 25, 2012 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
This is a key point. If you’re paying $3.8 million for a guy who only scores 30 points, that’s fine if he’s also solid in his own end. Liles is a defensive liability more often that not.
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by Draglikepull on Jan 25, 2012 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
Well he’s basically Kaberle. While he’s putting up points it will be worth it, but it will have to be a lot more than 30 points a year
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by T is for Truculence on Jan 25, 2012 1:50 PM EST up reply actions
I’m not sure it’s overpriced considering what he could have gotten this summer as a UFA, but is it a good deal for the Leafs? That’s the question.
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I know its fashionable here, but you guys are WAY OVERREACTING
Its a good deal. He could get 4.5-5 on the market. He’s a similiar player to Erhoff, and look what he just signed,
would you prefer that?
3.85 is pretty cheap actually, and thats why its 4 years. You either pay more now or may less longer,
I’m okay with this because nothing shouts that he is going to suddenly suck,
You can also turn him into whatever ala kaberle later on, if we need to
It may also mean that a player is going out, as we now have:
Phaneuf, Liles, Schenn, Gardiner long term, and Gunnarsson, Franson RFAs,
+ Komisarek
Maybe Schenn is gone to philly as rumered
I’d rather not sign a Liles or an Erhoff to such a deal. I’d rather save the capspace and go on my merry way.
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save it for what though? overspending on july 1st?
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( . Y . )
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by PassivelyTruculent on Jan 25, 2012 12:36 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Young money militia you don’t wanna start Weezy cuz the “F” is for “finisha”.
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by theninjagreg on Jan 25, 2012 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
So help me god, if Gunnarsson is traded for anything short of a kings ransom.
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by PassivelyTruculent on Jan 25, 2012 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
I agree on the contract not being an overpay.
The team itself though, well, we’ve got a pickle of a roster problem now.
Almost 100% of us expected Liles would be gone after July 1 some way or another.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
which means someone else has to go.
Phaneuf – staying
Gunnarsson – almost certainly staying
Liles – re-signed
Schenn
Komisarek
Franson
Gardiner
by Goosemonster on Jan 25, 2012 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
No one is disagreeing.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
I know, I just don’t know who the hell we’d want to move. Well, we’d want to move Komi but that doesn’t seem likely.
by Goosemonster on Jan 25, 2012 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
should have mentioned Gardiner is going nowhere too. Oh man his skating last night was smooth like whipped butter.
by Goosemonster on Jan 25, 2012 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
keep Gardiner.
Move Franson.
Fire Komi into the Sun.
Hope like hell Schenn turns into a reasonably good 4/5 shutdown dman.
Find a bona fide stay-at home Dman.
That's "Da-ooo". I killed a turkey once, with a shovel.
Franson could command quite a bit I think.
by Goosemonster on Jan 25, 2012 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
trade Schenn (bigger return) and sign Suter.
Problems solved.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 25, 2012 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
Leafs will be the first time in league history to commit 80% of their cap dollars to their d core.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
also the first to do so and still be in the bottom half of the league in GA.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 25, 2012 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
History will be made
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by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 12:40 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I’m ok with trading Schenn as long as the return is good. I just feel like we’d be selling low now.
That's "Da-ooo". I killed a turkey once, with a shovel.
yeah…but keeping him just feels like sunk costs.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 25, 2012 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
Schenn for Couturier
/IfIkeepsayingitmaybeit’llhappen
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
Schenn for Couturier
/ihopeyourphilosophyworks
by Ben Schnell on Jan 25, 2012 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
Bloody Mary Bloody Mary Bloody Mary
am i doing it right?
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 25, 2012 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
Coors Light.
/that’llhavetodoya
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by not norm ullman on Jan 25, 2012 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
I’d rather keep franson and move schenn before now, because schenn will get us more and franson just seems like he has more upside to me..
but now that we’re hoping franson will become liles, and liles is signed for 4 years, i guess its best to trade him
i would think schenn is probably a #5 right now ps
by Ben Schnell on Jan 25, 2012 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
I agree, so it means something has to happen,
burke wouldnt be accumulating guys like percy, aulie, blacker, holzer just to have a nice ahl squad.. a few of those guys top out higher
by Ben Schnell on Jan 25, 2012 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
As mentioned above, Nonis said Blacker was close to NHL ready, so there’s anotehr player pushing for a spot. And yes, you do want competition, but you don’t want mediocre, over-paid guys like Komi taking spots from young guys if they are good enough to make it.
by Goosemonster on Jan 25, 2012 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
Is Blacker a LD? If he is, how is going to crack the lineup in the future with Liles, Gunnar and Gardiner all in his way?
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by GreatKingRat on Jan 25, 2012 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
There is depth in all our D-prospects way right now, RD or LD.
Either a move happens or Burke is sticking to his word – he wants his teams to have at least 9 or 10 legit NHL dman to be competitive.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t see Gardiner going anywhere, and Liles is now here for four years. That means either Gunnar gets moved(big mistake) or Blacker languishes in the AHL for years.
Either you have an enviable memory, or a pitiable life, to know nothing of regret.
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by GreatKingRat on Jan 25, 2012 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
That's a bit overdramatized.
Players get traded every year…. just because we have a bunch of players locked into multi-year contracts right now doesn’t mean they’re “blocking” our prospects forever.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
It’s not exactly an offensively gifted team, but for an overager, it’s a shame he’s not over the PPG mark.
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by Bower Power on Jan 25, 2012 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
He’s not an overager. That is his season next year.
by WizardofNaz on Jan 25, 2012 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
Right you are. 4th season, not 5th.
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by Bower Power on Jan 25, 2012 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
It doesn’t matter # of seasons it matters by age.
If you turn 20 before Dec 31st of the given year it is considered your overage season. For instance this year it is all 1991 bdays are overage players. All 92’s have one more season.
by WizardofNaz on Jan 25, 2012 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
Man, sounds like whenever Boston ) wants to get rid of someone they paint him a locker room cancer…………….Now its Thomas’ turn.
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I love the predictability. I bet he gets moved sometime soon.
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Wow
Who peed in their cereal. Cause I’ve never heard of any other goaltender who is more of a “loner” compared to the rest of the team.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 25, 2012 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
Normally I’d wonder why a team is making such a big deal of this. But, in this case, I am getting great amusement out of watching the Bruins burn.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Jan 25, 2012 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
Mike Richards nearly ends David Booth’s career with a vicious cheap shot – he’s known as a character guy you’d like to have on your team.
Tim Thomas skips a photo op on a day off – he’s known as a locker room cancer.
NHL ethics are incomprehensible.
The plural of "anecdote" is not "data".
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by Draglikepull on Jan 25, 2012 1:49 PM EST up reply actions
I can see the reasoning
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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Tim Thomas’ reception in the boston media probably had more to do with the why than the what.
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Well yeah, being a staunch conservative Republican in one of the most liberal Democratic cities in America isn’t going to win friends in the media. Look at Curt Schilling and his open support for Dubya after winning the World Series in ’04.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Jan 25, 2012 4:15 PM EST up reply actions
Yes and no. It’s not like he just skipped some random photo op because he was sick.
He refused to meet the President with his whole team because he is bat-shit crazy.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 25, 2012 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
bat-shit crazy
A label reserved for anyone who disagrees with your political views?
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 25, 2012 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t know Thomas views in depth, but the odds of a guy who admires Glenn Beck being a little off his rocker are pretty high. That being said, who cares? As long as he plays goalie well and doesn’t bring his politics to the rink it shouldn’t affect the team.
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by Draglikepull on Jan 25, 2012 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly. Whatever it is, I hate to take advantage of the situation, but if it works out that this ends up causing the Bruins to go down in Flames, sign me up.
What would be hilarious is, if he goes to another team and ends up winning the MVP/cup with them.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 25, 2012 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
… who is also batshit crazy, but in more of a “hurling things onto the ice in a fit of rage” sort of way.
He looks batshit crazy. He’s got Sideshow Bob hair and crazy eyes!
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by FiftyMissionCap on Jan 25, 2012 4:16 PM EST up reply actions
by go down in Flames, you mean trade us all their good players for our shyte contracts right? right?
/onecanonlyhope
by JohnerstonRex on Jan 25, 2012 3:46 PM EST up reply actions
Not at all, just the one’s who are bat-shit crazy, which from his statement on FB and other information Tim Thomas appears to be.
But as you both say below, it shouldn’t affect the team
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 25, 2012 2:37 PM EST up reply actions
What part of his statement on FB was so far-fetched. While I don’t necessarily agree with him, there are many who believe government has grown too big and corrupt.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 25, 2012 2:41 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, but many people who talk like that also reside on “farms” out in Idaho with a number of other people. Stockpiling guns and preparing for the revolution/rapture/alien invasion
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by Chi-town leafs on Jan 25, 2012 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
im stockpiling guns for the alien rapture revolution
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 25, 2012 3:43 PM EST up reply actions
meh, zombie apocalypse myself, but I suppose their multi-porpoise
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by Chi-town leafs on Jan 25, 2012 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
/facepalm
it was supposed to be just the pun, not the pun AND a grammar fail
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by Chi-town leafs on Jan 25, 2012 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
you gotta watch those dolphins
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 25, 2012 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
great name for a band
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 25, 2012 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
New post:
Get over it, Isles fans.
http://50missioncap.wordpress.com/2012/01/25/dear-isles-fans-refs-suck-we-get-it/
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by FiftyMissionCap on Jan 25, 2012 1:03 PM EST reply actions
Ha ha. The Isles are the innocent victims of a great conspiracy! Yes, their dignity is intact on the same level of Mother Theresa. Too bad there are no damning actions on their part with which we can provide a rebuttal. Nope, nothing!
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 25, 2012 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
Even back in the ‘02 days, sure we had Corson and Tucker, but it isn’t as if Eric Cairns or Steve Webb were choir boys.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Jan 25, 2012 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
The guy in the far right looks like he was caught off guard.
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by PassivelyTruculent on Jan 25, 2012 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
And the franchise, much like Versteeg’s mouthguard, is dangling by a thread, and you’re just waiting for the moment it falls.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Jan 25, 2012 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
Why dont they have numbers on their jerseys?
by Tickle Me Aulie on Jan 25, 2012 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
my word, versteeg is stupid looking
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 25, 2012 2:48 PM EST up reply actions
Will get overshadowed today but...
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No no, dig UP stupid.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Jan 25, 2012 4:18 PM EST up reply actions
LMAO I think Gardiner missed the flight home this morning
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 25, 2012 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
deserved. plus…all star break.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 25, 2012 2:59 PM EST up reply actions
Now the media and rumour sites will turn on Jake and he’ll be the one on the way out of town as a result of the Liles signing…
This space for rant...
by fair_n_hite_451 on Jan 25, 2012 2:50 PM EST up reply actions
Rumours are flying that Jake Gardiner has been traded to the NY Islanders after he didn’t fly home with the rest of the team after the game. Sources say that the Leafs will also build the Islanders a new stadium, and in return they will receive John Tavares.
The plural of "anecdote" is not "data".
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by Draglikepull on Jan 25, 2012 3:05 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe he had a big night of the town with Mike Myers.
I wonder if he showed up in the dressing room afterwards.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 25, 2012 3:06 PM EST up reply actions
carl_gun Carl Gunnarsson
Where can you try out curling in Toronto?
Gunnar may overtake Kulie as my favourite Leaf if he keeps this up.
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Eric T. Graph party!
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Interesting...
… can’t comment at the link itself yet, but in case Eric drops by:
It looks to me as though a really important takeaway isn’t so much about EV Save % vs PK Save %… but the fact that Past Save % isn’t as powerful a determinant of Future Save % as is sometimes suggested. That is, we’re only looking at a .2 to .4 tie-up until well into their career.
And in particular, for early stage goalies – like Reimer and Gus – the correlation is really really weak. As in, provides almost no traction at all.
Which, if I might say, is what I argued the other night.
Also as far as Eric’s study goes, for the purposes of comparing two young goalies, I’m also not sure if it’s useful to remove the goalies who don’t go on to face at least another 2000 shots. Because what you’re removing are precisely the kinds of guys we’re often looking at – goalies who are flaming out, whose performance was too unsteady to stay in the league, guys who were injured and thus, damaged and no longer capable, etc.
Anyway. Good to see some more proper work on it, so thanks for that Eric!
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by not norm ullman on Jan 25, 2012 4:10 PM EST up reply actions
Heh. I spent the whole morning here waiting for someone to link to it, then eventually resigned myself to the fact that a major roster move was of more interest than a lengthy tome on save percentage correlations.
To your various points:
First, I think it’s pretty widely agreed that goalie results are highly variable and it takes a large sample before we really know what they can do. My answer on the Leaf goaltenders would probably be “we still don’t really know how good Reimer or Gustavsson is, but the best guess is that Reimer is better.” And I think the ~0.2-0.4 correlations support that perspective.
Second, I also have mixed feelings about the filtered numbers (which is why I showed both). We want to make a prediction based on the current data, and filtering it based on what happens in the unknown future is definitely changing the question. But on the other hand, guys with short futures definitely just add noise.
After the 2000 season, Glenn Healy had a career .888 Sv%, and he went on to face 331 more shots in his career. Even if he was precisely a .888 goaltender, over a sample that small a .888 goaltender would have a standard deviation of 0.017 — he could easily go anywhere from .853 to .922. So even if we knew exactly how good he was, we’d still have a horrible correlation to his future results.
Also, it’s worth pointing out that many of the guys getting filtered out aren’t the Healy’s of the world. Of course it includes the guys who are about to retire, but even just among young guys, it includes many who will face 2000+ shots but just haven’t yet — data that got filtered out include the 2010 stats of Quick, Hiller, Rinner, Halak, Howard, Harding, Pavelec, Rask, etc. All of them had under 120 starts after 2010 and none of them had 2000 shots in 2011, so their semi-random 2011 results make it look like we’re worse at predicting the futures for young guys than we actually are.
Anyway, like I said, I have mixed feelings about it myself, so this is more about presenting the other point of view than about trying to convince you.
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by Eric T. on Jan 25, 2012 6:21 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Thanks, Eric. For the comments here, but also for taking the time to do this sort of thing. It’s interesting, plus I can learn a huge amount. On your points:
1st. Agreed. I think Reimer will be better, and also suspect that Gus will have a great variation in how he performs. Reimer’s concussion, however, throws this all up in the air, at least for this season, IMHO.
2nd. Understood. But I’d be careful using Healy as an example of anything around here. As far as we’re concerned, he was a shitty goalie, a shitty commentator, and was probably a shitty child – with little variation.
3rd. We’d like Coutourier, Schenn and JVR, please. Not asking for Hartnell, just so you know we’re not greedy.
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by not norm ullman on Jan 25, 2012 6:33 PM EST up reply actions
with little variation
Haha, it turns out he was .885 over those 331 shots. You know your Healy!
(Of course, this also introduces noise into the plot, by spiking the correlation upwards.)
3rd. We’d like Coutourier, Schenn and JVR, please.
Sorry, sources tell me that by misspelling his name, you’ve offended Couturier and now he’ll never play for you. And you already have Schenn. And you could’ve had JVR; it’s not my fault you weren’t willing to give up a first round pick.
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Well, Eric’s data says use ES SV% for Gus in 8 more starts, so it’s a safe bet that he sucks.
For Reimer his career SV% is still .914 which I’d take moving forward happily.
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What are you guys talking about? Are we reading the same chart?
The charts says might be tweaked to say that ES Save % shows slightly better correlation than Total Save % after 100 games, but more importantly what it’s showing is that there’s an incredibly weak correlation between ES Save % pretty much until you get out past 400 starts, which is a zone only the BEST NHL goalies pretty much get to anyway (i.e. MAF and Lundquist just have 400-450 now.)
So at 100 starts, my reading of Eric’s chart shows only a 0.2 to 0.4 correlation. i.e. Junk bond.
[Also, just so we all stop finessing Reimer’s numbers, the use of the word “career” is what’s known in the trade as “tarting things up.” His “career” is 55 games. And of those, only the 37 last year are really holding up his Save %.]
Like I always say, I prefer Reimer. But can we not pretend Eric’s piece backs up some “junk Gus” storyline? Because, in fact, what it really says is , “ES Save %, Total Save %, or PK Save % are pretty much not gonna tell you anything about which if two young goalies is any good, at least til they get, ohhhhh, 300-400 starts in.”
And I’m sure Eric can clarify if I’m misreading.
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by not norm ullman on Jan 25, 2012 7:10 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
You’re not misreading.
I do think this is a bit extreme, though. I’m with you that the guys in the 0.2ish range (under 100 starts) are still unknown quantities to a large degree. But by the time they get into the 0.4ish range, I’m a lot more comfortable with it.
For comparison, the correlation between a forward’s goal scoring rate over the last three years (minimum 150 games played) and his goal-scoring rate in the coming year (minimum 50 games played) was 0.52. Granted, that’s better than 0.4ish, but I think the gap between 0.52 and 0.4ish is smaller than the gap between people’s comfort level thinking of a certain forward as a 30-goal scorer and “it pretty much doesn’t tell you anything”.
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Ok, maybe you could help me get a bit clearer, if you have the time, Eric.
Let’s say the correlation is 0.3 when you’re a goalie who’s played 50 to 250 games (the charts spike back and forth from .2 to .4, so I hope 0.3 is fair.)
Now, something that strikes me is a point that (I think it was) Skinny was going on about earlier this year. Which is that the statistical difference between a poor, average, and really above-average goalie, in terms of Save %, appears to be quite small.
i.e. At .900 or below, you’re going out of the league, down to the AHL… at somewhere around .912 or so you’re average, an NHLer… at .920 you’re clearly above average, Quality goalie… and at .930, you’re pretty much close to top of the league, Elite.
But what that means is that while a .912 goalie may be average, a .917 mark can put you into the Top 10, while a .907 puts you out of the Top 30. In short, NHL goalies are actually very very evenly matched. (These were other people’s points, not mine, though I agree.)
But this means a starting goalie seeing 1400 shots in a year could have just 7 shots between being rated as being an AHL’er versus being a solid, average, NHL goalie…. and only another 7 shots between being Average versus being a Quality goalie.
And those 7 and 7 shots are occurring in in a world full of differences in team defences, team injuries and streaks (e.g. playing behind Pronger vs not), with the random mix of game situations you receive (leading vs lagging), the season’s schedule and who you’re picked to play (Boston 4 times), your own age and development curve and personal circumstance (concussion, heart ablation, etc.)
So. If that’s the absolute range of goals we’re talking about that are separating a below average from an above average goalie over the course of a full season, and with all those other variables at play… what does it then MEAN to say there’s a 0.3 correlation between a goalie’s Save % in the past and in the future?
Does it tell us whether those 7 + 7 goals are likely to appear or disappear? Does it tell us whether a .912 guy this year will be .907 or .917 next year? Does it give us odds on this? What does that 0.3 correlation mean?
Because right now I think what is happening a bit is that people are taking the argument that ES Save % is superior to Total Save % to heart (which, without having studied it a lot, seems reasonable to me), but are then extending it out to say, “ES Save % can tell us whether a young goalie is going to be any good or not.” And yet, even with the ES save % being the metric chosen, I’m not seeing sufficient weight to do that.
Any way to help us find some example or explanation or image that’ll help grasp the 0.3 correlation?
Thanks.
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by not norm ullman on Jan 25, 2012 8:18 PM EST up reply actions
I gotta run, so this will be brief, but I’m happy to chat more about it some other time.
It’s true that the spread in goaltender talent is fairly small — and that’s a big part of why the correlations year over year are small. If the NHL had goalies with .800 talent and .950 talent, then we wouldn’t wail and gnash our teeth over the fact that a guy with a .912 career might be .907 or .917 next year. But because, as you say, .907 vs .917 is the difference between top-10 and backup, those tiny little fluctuations are really important to the correlation (which basically asks the question: if this guy was 8th last year, how close to 8th should I expect him to be next year?)
The tight spread of goalie talent and our perception of goalies as variable are two sides of the same coin.
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[Also, just so we all stop finessing Reimer’s numbers, the use of the word "career" is what’s known in the trade as "tarting things up." His "career" is 55 games. And of those, only the 37 last year are really holding up his Save %.]
Can someone do a study on when we’re allowed to start calling a career a career?
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by Bower Power on Jan 25, 2012 11:09 PM EST up reply actions
Hey, you can call your car or your cat a career if you like.
I’ll I’m saying is that James Reimer’s “career” is precisely as long (55 games) as Keith Aulie’s. Do I feel safe yet in judging him as having reached his “career” potential? How about Jake Gardiner (42 games) or, Nazem Kadri (48 games.) Am I confident that how they’ve performed to date in the NHL gives me a “career,” or a “benchmark” or a “bar” to somehow judge them? Heck, I hear talk all the time about Schenn still growing into his role (yes), and yet he’s 279 games deep – 5 times Reimer. And there’s this old saw about goalies often being ones who grow most slowly into their jobs. Franson (175), Bozak (159), and Crabb (115) are all also players whose roles continue to change and evolve at NHL level.
I guess my point in mentioning the use of the word “career” is that it’s a rhetorical move to gently persuade people that they’re measuring Reimer against some more solid background than perhaps he actually has. In my books, he had a hot run last year, got 37 games in, and he looked and moved great and seemed to have a good head on his shoulders. This year, maybe not quite as solid, then the concussion. Plus the PK oddities.
Gus may well end up in the AHL or Sweden, and Reimer may well end up a ten year starter for the Leafs, but the idea that we have some magic determinant after 55 games? Sorry. ES Save % is a better measure than Total Save % perhaps, but with so few games played, it simply doesn’t give us the basis to say that Gus is an AHL goalie, or not even back-up NHL quality, while Reimer was a guy we all should be happy placing our faith in as a long-term starter. A correlation of 0.2, 0.3 or 0.4 in the early years just doesn’t do that.
And if people wanna be upset because some stat doesn’t prove that their favourite rookie is a lock, then that’s their call as well.
But me, I remember a few late bloomers. Even late-blooming Leaf goalies, who have come along.
Who was that one guy… You know, kid who had started for a full season for the Rangers, already something like 30 years old… but he kept getting dunked in the minors, spent 5 years yo-yo’ing… And in those days, if you couldn’t make the Rangers, then… Sheesh.
Til he got picked up by the Leafs. Who made him their starter. At age 34.
Had a great “career,” that guy.
4 Cups.
Here’s hoping our two, Gus and Reimer, have as happy a path.
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by not norm ullman on Jan 26, 2012 1:26 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Well said. but that wall of text needs chapters or something.
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by Nifty Mittens on Jan 26, 2012 7:02 PM EST up reply actions
So James Cybalski was doing well talking about how great Grabbo is. Then he called Kulemin a stiff, then said that Glen Healy is like the Rowdy Roddy Piper of the NHL and knows his hockey, so that’s enough of that.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 25, 2012 4:11 PM EST reply actions
Cybuski has to say that stuff about Healy.
Cybulski is still the best sports radio host in Toronto, IMO
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Glen thinks Liles is too injury prone, and can’t be counted on for more than 60 games.
Only ever played less than 70 games ONCE in his NHL career prior to now, and suddenly he’s injury prone.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 25, 2012 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
Its Glen Healy
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 25, 2012 4:19 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
But Cybulski and the other dude agreed with him.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 25, 2012 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
There’s been lots of crazy talk lately that Grabbo won’t net more than a 2nd at the deadline. Hard to say for sure, but I really doubt that. Check this out:
Dominic Moore has been traded as a rental for a 2nd rounder TWICE. Jason Arnott as a rental got a 2nd AND Steckel. Chris Campoli & a 7th netted a 2nd and a prospect. Ian White was traded for a 2nd. Chris Kelly went for a 2nd. etc.
All those guys were rentals. Grabovski is a far better player than any of those guys. If Burke can’t get more than a 2nd for him, he’s losing it as a negotiator.
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McKenzie was on TSN Radio an hour ago talking about the Liles extension and the potential for Grabovski to be traded.
On Liles, he says that the signing allows the Leafs to move forward feeling like they have a core in place on defence and that it might open up the possibility of trading away a younger defender like Schenn, Franson, or Gunnarsson. He did say, though, that the Leafs have not specifically decided to trade one of them, just that the signing gives them flexibility if a deal comes along.
On Grabovski, McKenzie said that he doesn’t believe the Leafs would trade Grabovski unless it was part of a package with a replacement player coming back or with a replacement otherwise lined up. He said that Grabovski is too valuable to the team for Burke to just consider dumping him for a draft pick.
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Grabovski contract like this:
12-13 $6M NMC, NTC
13-14 $6M NMC, NTC
14-15 $5M Partial NTC
15-16 $3M Partial NTC
Total: 4yr $20M, AAV $5M
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Would leave the Leafs roughly $6 million to sign 3-4 forwards and a backup goalie. Not impossible, but it would be really tight. The Leafs would almost certainly have to dump salary somehow, and there are still major holes in the roster to fill.
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by Draglikepull on Jan 25, 2012 6:50 PM EST up reply actions
Jettison Komisarek somehow. I didn’t say the job was easy, but if Burke’s solution to paying Komi and Schenn tons of money to be shitty is “well, see you later good players” I want him gone.
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Of course, the Leafs will almost certainly make trades between now and July 1, so this likely all becomes moot by then anyway. But they’ll definitely need to make some moves to fit Grabovski in.
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by Draglikepull on Jan 25, 2012 6:55 PM EST up reply actions
I still don’t get why the leafs sign Connolly if that salary means they need to deal grabbo at a later point which might be now.
Signed Connolly because of Bozak’s struggles last year. Couldn’t go into the season without a #1 center for Kessel. Whoops.
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Not seeing the downside really, Connolly is producing, Bozak is producing. Oh no.
Komi and Armdog free up a lot of room for Toronto in a hurry.
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by Chemmy on Jan 25, 2012 7:10 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Bozak is being carried by Lupul and Kessel’s ridiculous production and he’s basically useless if those two aren’t playing at an extremely high level.
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by Draglikepull on Jan 25, 2012 7:52 PM EST up reply actions
he’d be a solid 3rd line center
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 25, 2012 7:53 PM EST up reply actions
soon as the leafs get a defacto 1C
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 25, 2012 7:59 PM EST up reply actions
Lombardi for a pick
3.5M free
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 9:34 PM EST up reply actions
But he scores more goals than a pick.
by LeafInVancouver on Jan 25, 2012 9:38 PM EST up reply actions
His 3.5M is needed to re-sign Grabovski
Blast him to the moon
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by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 9:40 PM EST up reply actions
Leafs Cap Dead Weight:
Armstrong 3
Komisarek 4.5
Leafs Cap Expendable:
Connolly 4.5
Lombardi 3.5
Get almost $15.5m back there alone.
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I guess my question is: how do the Leafs improve if they just keep the guys they have? They’re fighting for 8th as it stands.
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by JohnerstonRex on Jan 25, 2012 7:58 PM EST up reply actions
sorry, i don’t know how to do sarcasm font.
by JohnerstonRex on Jan 25, 2012 8:26 PM EST up reply actions
sucks for you
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by SkinnyFish on Jan 25, 2012 9:00 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Because more players are getting better than are getting worse
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by jimmyp22 on Jan 25, 2012 7:39 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think we might have a lot of talent that’s not distributed well.
Example: I think we have some great puck moving D, we just have a ton of it and no “boring old D that stops other people from scoring”.
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by Chemmy on Jan 25, 2012 7:46 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
So people say “our D sucks” which is true in that they don’t keep our goals against down, but other teams looking for PMDs would want Phaneuf, Gunnarsson, Gardiner, Franson, and Liles no question.
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by Chemmy on Jan 25, 2012 7:47 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
at least there is still hope that Franson and Gardiner can become decent 2 wat players
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 25, 2012 7:50 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Regardless of the outcome, I get a Win in fantasy hockey. MUHAHAHHAHAHA
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Three goals on nine shots? Ouch. And Detroit only has 6?
Well, if anyone can come back from that, it’s the Red Wings.
by LeafInVancouver on Jan 25, 2012 8:15 PM EST up reply actions
Just like they did with the Leafs.
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