John-Michael Liles Extended
by Chemmy on Jan 25, 2012 12:41 PM EST
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TSN's Bob MacKenzie is reporting that the Leafs have extended John-Michael Liles for four years at $3.875M per. We don't know about any potential NMC/NTC.
The upside of this deal is that Liles' cap hit decreases though given his age and term (though it likely should have), and he's been a valuable part of the Leafs this season. My issues surrounding this deal are:
- Between Liles, Luke Schenn and Mike Komisarek the Leafs are spending $12M for #4, #6 and #7 defenders on a team that has a lot of trouble on defense. Obviously Komisarek is the boat anchor there but that's tough to swallow.
- Offensive production for 35 year olds is horrific. If Liles can't be buried in the minors due to an NMC and if his contract isn't mega front loaded for a future trade then it's not great.
So, is someone on the move in Toronto?
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well, that escalated quickly
by aelanK on Jan 25, 2012 12:43 PM EST via mobile reply actions
JML takes a pay cut to stay in Toronto 4 more years
this is good news for women of Toronto.
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Curious, you call Liles a #4 defenceman, I’m assuming Dion and Gunnar are ahead, who else do you put in front?
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By ice time, I’m pretty sure it would be Gardinder.
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by Bower Power on Jan 25, 2012 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
The newest sikh addition to the team?
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 25, 2012 1:15 PM EST up reply actions 7 recs
was going to say this but was worried someone might play the racism card haha
well, that escalated quickly
by aelanK on Jan 25, 2012 1:23 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
DATS PRESUMPTUOUS!
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by PassivelyTruculent on Jan 25, 2012 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
Racist, it is not. Nor is it stereotyping (in a negative way). Just observing the naming convention for a set of people.
Kind of like adding “strom” or “son” to make someone sound swedish or throwing a few "j"s on the end of a name to make it sound Albanian.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 25, 2012 1:44 PM EST up reply actions
Or like wondering if Lando Calrissian is a space Armenian.
by Peter Lynn on Jan 25, 2012 1:55 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
you gotta explain this one to me, never seen the show.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 25, 2012 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
You aren’t missing much.
My mood probably depends on the results of last Leafs game. I may have a problem.
by DiaDud on Jan 25, 2012 10:17 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I am sikh and I approve this message.
Can we start the Gose watch yet?
by honours6 on Jan 25, 2012 3:30 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Hard to call the guy that got sent down in favour of Keith Aulie the #3 defenceman above JM Liles
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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If he’s not #3 he’s no worse than #4.
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by Back In Black on Jan 25, 2012 1:49 PM EST up reply actions
If I had to wager on which one is on the outs, I’d guess either Schenn or Franson. As for the deal, unless there is a NMC in it – and I’d be surprised if there was – then I’m fine with it. It’s not my money, so pay him whatever.
I think it was Dreger that said recently Franson is almost untouchable. Wonder if that stands with this extension.
well, that escalated quickly
by aelanK on Jan 25, 2012 12:50 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
It should. Franson plays right side, Liles the left. They’re not likely to be competing against each other for jobs.
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by Bower Power on Jan 25, 2012 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
No, they usually don’t pair together either, we try to spread our D offense.
by Goosemonster on Jan 25, 2012 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
Yeeahh, not what I was saying. Just saying that with Liles’ extension, Franson’s availability is likely unaffected.
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Somehow
Burke is going to blow my mind and send Komisarek packing.
I don’t know how. I don’t see how it can happen. But he’s going to do it.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 1:04 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I can see how he’s going to do it… However whats going to blow my mind is when he gets a good return for him.
Komisarek for DiPietro, DiPietro to the Marlies
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
Doesn’t he have a NMC or something? Seems like some shit NYI would do. That would also be a terrible, terrible deal regardless.
by Goosemonster on Jan 25, 2012 1:10 PM EST up reply actions
No known NTC/NMCs
http://capgeek.com/players/display.php?id=1101
You’re right I think Leafs also deserve a 5th coming back.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
Although we could just play DP for 2 games until his arm falls off or whatever and then place him on LTIR.
by Goosemonster on Jan 25, 2012 1:12 PM EST up reply actions
Y’know, I was thinking about this yesterday. He hasn’t played badly, and his salary should be less than his cap hit from here on out. I don’t think it’s impossible, but I doubt that any team would rather take Komisarek if Schenn is on the block.
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well even if Schenn is available his price is going to be much, much, much higher than Komi’s.
by Goosemonster on Jan 25, 2012 1:19 PM EST up reply actions
Mirtle said something similar in his latest article.
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by theninjagreg on Jan 26, 2012 1:00 AM EST up reply actions
Further to Chemmy's point
There have been exactly 15 d-men to score more than 40 points in their age 35 season. 7 of those players are in the HHOF, while 4 or 5 others will be inducted later.
Liles also has 3 seasons of 40+ points (plus 1 39 point season in 75 games).
So I’d be inclined to agree with Chemmy’s thoughts about the end of this contract.
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The end of his contract doesn’t really concern me for a few reasons.
A. Cap will go up
2. We can always trade him or demote him
D. We’ll win the cup by then and who cares.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 25, 2012 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
What exactly is your point numbering scheme? Seems revolutionary…
by Bobby Paradise on Jan 25, 2012 1:02 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
That would be the Buzz McAllister numbering system.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 25, 2012 1:03 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
?. It's amazing
~^4. It’s so simple even a Sutter can follow it
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
Goes from Chimpan-A to Chimpan-D
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by Isosceles Kramer on Jan 25, 2012 3:43 PM EST up reply actions
How to you get from A to 2 to D, what happened to B & C.
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by KeepBeLeafing on Jan 25, 2012 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
or 7?
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by Sergei Puckizin on Jan 25, 2012 1:59 PM EST up reply actions
WOOO HOO! WE GOT US AN HHOF!
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by not norm ullman on Jan 25, 2012 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
Newsflash, the Hall of Fame has been in Toronto for, like, ever.
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by fair_n_hite_451 on Jan 25, 2012 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
It's the only way Laff fans can see the cup!
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by PassivelyTruculent on Jan 25, 2012 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
That’s the going rate these days for a competent 3-4 D Man. My guess is that Gunnar, Shenn or Franson is on their way out, maybe even before Tuesday.
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well, that escalated quickly
by aelanK on Jan 25, 2012 12:51 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
He’d be the one I would want.
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he’d be the one most GMs looking for a good young Dman would want.
by Goosemonster on Jan 25, 2012 1:04 PM EST up reply actions
Let's just hope other GMs are high on Schenn
Higher than he warrants. Gunnar is the linchpin of our D-corps, I’d be upset to see franson depart as well, but I’d accept a franson/aulie/schenn move over Gunnar any day.
by LeftNutForAStarCenter on Jan 25, 2012 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
i have to admit. I didnt think id ever ‘turn’ on Luke Schenn. But boy oh boy does he ever look expendable now.
Is he even better then Keith Aulie at this point? Even moving foward?
I know hes still young and will no doubt improve as an NHLer with experience, but isnt he the one we dangle out there as ‘the chip’ to deal with?
Would really suck as a fan to see a guy touted as our ‘saviour’ 4 years ago dealt right after signing a long extension with the team. He played well last year, i think we were all happy with Schenn coming into this year, what happened?
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by Matt_Roberts on Jan 25, 2012 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
The emergence of Gardiner
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by PassivelyTruculent on Jan 25, 2012 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
Could just be an “off-season”. Probably hiccups resulting from signing the big contract over the summer
/fingerscrossed
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 25, 2012 1:49 PM EST up reply actions
He’s having his “sophmore slump” a little later in life…
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by fair_n_hite_451 on Jan 25, 2012 1:50 PM EST up reply actions
He’s having his sophomore slump around the same time that a player who wasn’t rushed into the NHL might actually have his sophomore slump, if not earlier.
I totally agree. Age-wise, our expectations are far too high for Luke … and were taken there by his “out of his mind” early career.
While I have joined the multitudes in ragging on his play this season when he hasn’t been good, I don’t think we should be rushing from “he sucks” to “dump him for everything” quite so quickly. That smacks of the kind of move that would come back to haunt us in the long run.
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by fair_n_hite_451 on Jan 25, 2012 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
/sniff.
is that Habs stink I smell? That’s woefully close to crossing a line sir!
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by fair_n_hite_451 on Jan 25, 2012 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
Ah, I was thinking of Montreal with Price…
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by fair_n_hite_451 on Jan 25, 2012 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
I was thinking of Jesus Christ, but I couldn’t think of who went ahead of him.
by Peter Lynn on Jan 25, 2012 2:44 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Well we know John the Baptist was a bust
by Ben Schnell on Jan 25, 2012 3:27 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Pilate.
Drafted by the Romans, using a pick they got from the Habs.
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by not norm ullman on Jan 25, 2012 3:34 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
Like Aulie, I think we thought he ended last season playing better than he did. I don’t know that he’s actually worse than last year, he just isn’t any better.
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by Back In Black on Jan 25, 2012 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
http://theleafsnation.com/2011/7/12/high-quality-scoring-chances-2010-11-at-even-strength
Second best among regular defensemen last season.
Poor training in the off-season is my bet.
by stevesmith19 on Jan 25, 2012 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
Send him to Gary Roberts’ “You’re Fat” Boot Camp.
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by PassivelyTruculent on Jan 25, 2012 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
funny how “depth” with do that to a roster.
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by Sergei Puckizin on Jan 25, 2012 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
Precisely.
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by danishmarshmallow on Jan 25, 2012 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
Deal in a vaccuum is fine
How it complicates the defensive roster / cap is something that Burke has to address before the end of the season.
No no, dig UP stupid.
He’s playing top line minutes, has another full year @ 1.35 million and is an RFA after that. If I need defensive help he’s the guy I want.
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He’s also the guy the Leafs should want.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
If we are talking getting a Unicorn, and I’m the team potentially sending him the other way, I ask for Gunnar.
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What Unicorn? We're not getting any unicorns.
Leafs can’t afford the only ones who are worth chasing (Parise, Suter) anyway
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
Unless you mean like a Bobby Ryan type scenario...
In which losing Gunnar is probably only a small portion of the package it would take
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
Stop thinking about Suter. It’s not happening.
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I hope YouTube comes down to film this.
So the Leafs have 20.9 Million committed to d-men next year, not including any contract Franson gets.
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by Chi-town leafs on Jan 25, 2012 12:58 PM EST reply actions
How very odd. It should be mentioned that Burkie has praised Liles for his work ethic in the past. I believe it was in the interview with The Score (the Kevin Lowe-barn fight one) where he said Liles is usually the first one in the gym. Alex Goligoski is 26 and just got a 4 year, $18.4MM extension. Kimmo Timonen got a 6 year, $38MM UFA contract from Philly at age 32 in 2007. I wouldn’t have been surprised if Liles went on to the open market and got 4 years, $16MM. I guess the contract is fair value, I just would have much rather seen another team offer it.
Beauchemin is just as old and just got 3.8 per season.
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his is a defensive game however, Liles is supposed to provide the offense but at age 35, have to consider how much offense he can generate
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Liles is an exellent skater and his prescence on the PP has brought the leafs from the basement to the top of the league this year in that area. Hell be worth it for 3 seasons easily i think. After that, I dont think itd be that tough a deal to move or eat if neccessary
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by Matt_Roberts on Jan 25, 2012 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
Liles would have fetched over $4mil/yr on the market
Look at the deal Kabs got, Liles is 2 years younger.
by LeftNutForAStarCenter on Jan 25, 2012 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
kabs deal was dumb then and dumb now. Rutherford publicly admits it was a mistake and then Habs come and take it off his hands. I wouldnt use Kabs deal as a good example really, because im sure the whole league knows it was stupid
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by Matt_Roberts on Jan 25, 2012 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
Really? You think a league with Jay Feaster. Pierre Gauthier and Bryan Murray as GMs in it knows any better?
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by Sergei Puckizin on Jan 25, 2012 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
Komisarek signing looking better and better…
Sarcasm.
by stevesmith19 on Jan 25, 2012 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
What worries me this most
is Burke’s tendency to frankly sign too many players and cause logjams at positions that should otherwise go towards our developing prospects.
First there was the re-signing of MacArthur whose spot should’ve gone to Kadir and still might if Burke moves him as many speculate he will.
Tim Connolly was signed……and put on the 3rd line where Joe Colbourne could have been just fine.
Then there’s the absolute pile of lower 3rd line/4th line players which is such a mess I won’t even get into it.
And now we’ve got players like Komisarek and Liles signed longterm where guys like Holzer and Blacker should have there shots instead next season or the one after.
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you’ve got to think a deal of some kind of coming, because this doesnt make much sense without one.
by Goosemonster on Jan 25, 2012 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
Every time Burke has made a deal to set up a deal, it hasn’t worked.
Lebda/Kaberle being the shining example.
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what are you referring to in those deals…Lebda for Frason/Lombo and Kabby for Colborne/1st/2nd?
by Goosemonster on Jan 25, 2012 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
No, the general consensus that Burke acquired Lebda because he was going to move Kaberle in the offseason. That never happened and BAM! logjam.
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Oh noes a logjam that prevented Lebda from getting on the ice however shall we cope!
by WizardofNaz on Jan 25, 2012 1:25 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
Hey, don’t you be bad mouthing Columbus’ 1 goal scoring defensive unicorn…
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by fair_n_hite_451 on Jan 25, 2012 1:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Still...
big picture, can you complain what he ended up dealing for both Kaberle and Franson?
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
err Kaberle and Lebda
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
ah I see. I didn’t know Lebda was seen as a PMD. But he was one, it’s just that the puck moved to the wrong net.
by Goosemonster on Jan 25, 2012 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
Isn’t that what we asked for, when we talked about “pushing players down from the top?” Connolly’s still putting up .65 PPG on the season, and was doing quite well when he was on the top line. MacArthur’s pts/60 still look good, even if the assists have dried up. We’ve got a reliable option if one of Komisarek or Schenn were to be injured. I’m not sure Colborne or Kadri have been seriously harmed by spending an extra half-season in the AHL – heck, Kadri’s game looks significantly improved, and it’s a question mark whether or not he’d have had that opportunity in the NHL (on a second line, especially).
It also puts us in the very real position of turning depth players into elite talent. We could completely rebuild a team’s bottom six and bottom four with talented enough players to go against the likes of Boston.
My point is this: I’m not going to see the logjam as a problem until I see the roster on March 1st. All I know now is that something’s gotta give.
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Burke would rather have too many good players and have to trade away some than have too few and have to pay a premium to acquire players.
Yup. If you’re willing to pay their salaries, and you think you can squeeze some performance out them, then package them into higher quality guys… why not?
Some deals coming from Trader Burke. Just wish they’d come today.
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by not norm ullman on Jan 25, 2012 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
Yup. Also Colborne has slowed horribly since returning to the Marlies.
by Kuleminsky-ov on Jan 25, 2012 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
no way we are sniffing a playoffs with the vets removed and replaced with colborne/kadri/holzer/blacker. Cant see it
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by Matt_Roberts on Jan 25, 2012 1:49 PM EST up reply actions
Burke’s tendency to frankly sign too many players and cause logjams at positions that should otherwise go towards our developing prospects.
Really? In the NHL is were you think is the place to develop prospects? What there isn’t another place to do that, especially with defensemen?
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Not right away but how long do you keep some guys in the minors. Kadri did two seasons and that seems to have worked out but Colborne is on two as well as on the backend this looks like it’ll go a long way towards cementing the top six D so there could be some guys taking longer.
Is it good? Maybe, maybe not.
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Wouldn’t then the onus of these young stud players be is to make this team and doing so by vertue of out playing the players already on it? Injuries happen, things go south and so there will always be opportunities for young players to get their chance. To me there is no need to ship out good players just to make room for young players that aren’t going anywhere but on the team at some point if they can prove they belong. Right now JML is much more deserving to play than any rookie/prospect right now.
Its not the players responsibility to make room for himself as much as its his duty to force the GM to do that for him if warranted.
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Not to mention that there’s a lot of talk concerning the cap going down once the CBA is re-worked this summer. Strangest part of this deal for me was that Burke has now committed a lot of money to next season already. I’d assume an amnesty period will happen if the cap does go down, but it still seems a little reckless.
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I hope YouTube comes down to film this.
I thought consensus was
If the cap went down, the salaries would be rolled back as well?
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
Good luck getting the NHLPA to agree to that AND a new conference structure.
by Goosemonster on Jan 25, 2012 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
Good luck
Thanks! I’ll need it.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
They wont want the cap to go down either. However if the cap goes down salaries will end up rolled back as well. Nature of the beast.
yeah but its pretty clear why the NHLPA rejected the conference rule, other than it made it easier for some teams to make it than others. They wanted leverage on these things.
by Goosemonster on Jan 25, 2012 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
For sure. Players know they need all the help they can get. However their share of revenues is going to get cut from 57% to 50% probably to be in line with NFL and NBA. Thats my guess at least.
It always seems like bullshit when the NHL demands salaries get reduced…..it’s the fucking owners and GMs handing these contracts out in the first place. Don’t want to overpay? Don’t sign a guy with a career high 35 points to a 5 year 4.5 million contract.
by Goosemonster on Jan 25, 2012 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
If it is about leverage, what leverage does the NHL have to try and get what they want? Honest question. I don’t know.
The original 6 teams could force through any changes because they could threaten to slash ticket prices etc so their franchises only break even each season. If they did that it would destroy revenue sharing and lose the league hundreds of millions. And end up ruining the NHL.
Lol no.
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by PassivelyTruculent on Jan 25, 2012 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
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If these log jams are taking spots from Kadir and Colbourne I hate to see what will happen to Nazem Kadri and Joe Colborne. Speaking of them, I think their play of late shows that they wouldn’t have been “just fine”. Colborne has slowed down and he wasn’t burning down the barn in the NHL. And Kadri is still very much a work in progress and both are still quite young. I would much rather prefer prospects earn their spots, plus I doubt Burke is done with the roster.
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Has a presser been called by Burke? The lack of one would be suspicious given he called one just to say how much he loves Orr and guys like him.
What’s he going to say? “Liles is a valuable member of the team, and a veteran presence.” “No, I can’t talk about trade talks at this time. Nothing is imminent, but we’re listening.”
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what was he going to say about Orr? Apparently something. Yeah, he usually says something to the effect of “I wanted to keep him because of x, blah blah blah”. Not that its useful, but if he hasnt called one I wonder if something else is up, it is of course wednesday, his favourite trading day.
by Goosemonster on Jan 25, 2012 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
My biggest problem
Is i don’t see how they can re-sign Grabovski now until a salary move is made.
Save Grabovski, Burke. SAVE HIM FROM FREE AGENCY.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 1:06 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
COMRADE GRABOVSKI NO BELIEVE IN FREE MARKET SYSTEM. I GIVE FROM MY ABILITY AND ONLY RECEIVE ACCORDING TO MY NEED. RESULT IN ME ACCEPTING COMRADE BURKE’S GENEROUS OFFER OF UNLIMITED PINED-APPLES AND OCCASIONAL BLOWS TO THE HEAD. MIKHAIL VERY HAPPY TO REMAIN WITH SQUADRON.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 25, 2012 1:09 PM EST up reply actions 41 recs
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by Chi-town leafs on Jan 25, 2012 1:11 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
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No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 1:12 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
best.
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by kudzupo on Jan 25, 2012 1:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I’d be disappointed if he picked Liles over Grabbo………Grabovski is just too awesome
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well he is American
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by Goosemonster on Jan 25, 2012 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I like Liles, but I’m worried about what our 2nd line looks like without Grabovski. I don’t think Kulemin will ever return to the way he played last year without him, and we need those guys scoring when the defense is tight on Kessel and Lupul
by Holidays in the Sundin on Jan 25, 2012 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
to be fair I think getting rid of Grabbo will do one good thing. Stop convincing people Kuli is better than an very good 3rd liner who can play up in the lineup when needed.
haha I totally drink the Kule-aid, so I hope he bounces back, but it’s tough to know what losing a guy from the line-up does to other players. Schenn hasn’t been the same without Kaberle, for instance (although I have no problem with trading him), regardless of his true talent level. If Grabbo is making Kulemin look good, it may be worth keeping him just for that.
by Holidays in the Sundin on Jan 25, 2012 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
Pretty much what im worried about too. If Burke picked Liles over Grabbo I’m going to be pretty upset.
The Leafs without Grabbo would not be half as much fun. If we don’t resign Grabbo and then are on 24/7 it would be tragic.
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by Alspicer on Jan 25, 2012 3:11 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Your point is valid, but Burke seems more concerned with making the playoffs than with developing our prospects in the NHL. Right now, MacArthur and Connolly are much better players than Kadri and Colborne.
by scrambles the death dealer on Jan 25, 2012 1:07 PM EST reply actions
Ugh reply fail. That comment was a response to you, Skinny.
by scrambles the death dealer on Jan 25, 2012 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
For me the best part of this whole trying to figure out what Burke et. al are going to do next is that they probably already know, or have a good idea. Their not just signing Liles for 4 years and then saying: OH SHIT WHAT ABOUT BLACKER AND HOLZER.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 25, 2012 1:12 PM EST reply actions
yes, it’s just a puzzle shrounded in mystery and wrapped in an enigma or something like that. They evidently have some sort of a plan, I just hope it doesnt involve spending 12M on our 4/5/6 guys.
by Goosemonster on Jan 25, 2012 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
Who do you want in 4 years, or even 3 for that matter? JML or Luke Schenn? What about Blacker?
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Well there are other variables in play there. If we’re trading Schenn for something awesome. I doubt Liles’ presence will prevent Blacker from making the team.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 25, 2012 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
3 years is so far away. Making roster decisions now for changes that can happen in 36 months is kind of silly.
Too many variables, too many assumptions change between now and then.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
look at our roster from 2008. Look at it now. A lot can change over 3 years.
by Goosemonster on Jan 25, 2012 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
Even trying to forecast 1 year ahead of time is troublesome.
We’ll be lucky if we can predict the roster that we’ll be icing on the 1st game of the playoffs this year.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
I thought Johnny Mitchell would be here forever :(
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by Dr_Furious on Jan 25, 2012 1:25 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
And I thought Jason Blake was going to be our answer for a perennial 40-goal scorer!
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 25, 2012 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
I thought Vesa Toskala was as good as Evgeni Nabokov…
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by Back In Black on Jan 25, 2012 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
He is, just not a goaltending.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 25, 2012 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
JFM scored in the Ranger’s game last night.
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by fair_n_hite_451 on Jan 25, 2012 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
The roster is now diamonds.
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by Blinky on Jan 25, 2012 2:48 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
In four years, I’d take Blacker out of those three. I also have this cloud of worry in my mind that the Leafs are going to wind up trading Blacker or Holzer or whomever because they’re unwilling to make room for them in the lineup.
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I hope YouTube comes down to film this.
Friedman’s 30 Thoughts last night included something about Holzer:
22. Mentioned last week that there was some interest in Korbinian Holzer, a Toronto defenceman playing for the AHL’s Marlies. Afterwards, heard one of the reasons the Maple Leafs are trying to move an NHL defenceman is to make room for Holzer on the big club.
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Signing a defenceman long-term seems like the opposite of trying to move one. Something has to give here.
You’re confusing our glut of RD with our shortage of LD. Signing Liles helps one, does not affect other.
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by Sergei Puckizin on Jan 25, 2012 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
burke is going to trade luke schenn or carl gunnarsson depending on which one gets him what he wants most
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by Matt_Roberts on Jan 25, 2012 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
I will personally break Burke’s legs if he trades Gunnarsson.
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by SkinnyFish on Jan 25, 2012 1:52 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Dave “PPP” Nonis, will be torn who to cheer for.
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by PassivelyTruculent on Jan 25, 2012 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
he’ll cheer for Skinny if he knows what’s good for his cuddles
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 25, 2012 2:39 PM EST up reply actions
I’ll buy a ticket.
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by Sergei Puckizin on Jan 25, 2012 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
Someone needs to make a flash game of this.
by Tickle Me Aulie on Jan 25, 2012 2:05 PM EST up reply actions
I hate to say this, and 2008 me will kill me for saying it, but Schenn is probably the odd guy out. Phaneuf is part of the team’s core, Gunnarsson is our best all-around blueliner, Gardiner is a solid young player who has puck-handling skills of a 20-year NHL vet in his rookie season, Liles is here for four more years, and Franson is a solid player with a beauty of a shot. This leave Komisarek (who’s play has improved, and his albatross of a contract largely makes him unmovable) and Schenn (who may still be able to reap a solid return).
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by FiftyMissionCap on Jan 25, 2012 1:13 PM EST reply actions
Well I think Komi could move if it meant we took salary back as well, or as part of a larger deal. But yeah demand for him is pretty low. Then again, CBJ signed Brett Lebda.
by Goosemonster on Jan 25, 2012 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
That’s Brett “MoreGoalsThanGomez” Lebda
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 1:17 PM EST up reply actions 8 recs
Seriously, I sacrifice a pigeon every night in the hopes that Komisarek will be traded.
by stevesmith19 on Jan 25, 2012 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
you need to step up your game. Pretty sure for him to move it would have to be several endangered animals.
by Goosemonster on Jan 25, 2012 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
Buuuuuut pandaaaaaas are cuuuuuuuuuute.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Jan 25, 2012 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
And RETA- REALLY STUPID.
Seriously, they eat what is possibly the least nourishing food in the world meaning that they can’t hibernate due to malnourishment, and their infant mortality rate is so high because their lactation is basically water.
Fuck pandas.
by LeafInVancouver on Jan 25, 2012 3:10 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
Couldn’t not rec that.
Can Fuck Pandas be the site’s new tagline?
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 25, 2012 3:11 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Excuse me? Panda’s rule
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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by leafer1984 on Jan 25, 2012 3:14 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Very delicious, too. So, so tender.
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by Learn2Leaf on Jan 25, 2012 4:38 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
It’s Panda’s rule and fuck Healey. Not neccessarily in that order.
by Rythmn Man on Jan 25, 2012 7:12 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
My mind rearranged that to “Pandas fuck Healey.”
by LeafInVancouver on Jan 25, 2012 7:15 PM EST up reply actions
Derek and Clive have something to say to that
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by not norm ullman on Jan 25, 2012 6:36 PM EST up reply actions
I guess someone has to. And it doesn’t seem to be other pandas…
by SlickWill on Jan 25, 2012 7:04 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
If I still lived in my old apartment in Toronto that would make me cheer for Komisarek not to be traded.
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by Back In Black on Jan 25, 2012 1:44 PM EST up reply actions
Leafs Cap Situation
17 players (including Liles) signed for next season. Salaries + Tucker Buyout + Bonuses = $53,985,833
If the cap stays where it is, that means we have $11,376,667 to sign 6 players.
Gus, Boyce, Crabb & Grabbo are all UFA’s at the end of the year.
Franson, Aulie, Rosehill & Kulemin are all RFA’s at the end of the year.
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That’s actually not too bad – We could resign Grabbo ($5m), Kulie ($2.5m) and Franson ($2M) for that $9.5m, Get rid of Armdog or Lombardi and call up two more AHL guys to replace.
Gus: Unless he wants small contract bye
Boyce: 2-way or Bye
Crabb: 2-way and cheap or bye
Grabbo: Re-sign
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by Chi-town leafs on Jan 25, 2012 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
re-signed grabbo leaves ~6 million for our RFAs, which could be worse, but its not great.
by Goosemonster on Jan 25, 2012 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
Gunnarsson
I like the Liles signing. When they posted it before announcing the $$/year I hoped it was below 4 mil/ season. Remember when Kaberle was 4.25 and considered cheap for a puck moving defenseman?
This obviously is leading up to a trade involving a D-man. Everyone seems to be thinking Schenn, Franson or Aulie. But I ask why not Gunnarsson?
I don’t think he’s particularly strong at any end of the ice. I see him turn the puck over just as often as Phaneuf, Schenn or Komisarek and his “offensive threat” is lucky or inconsistent at best.
I just hope Burke gives Schenn another chance because I believe he is our future (down the road) captain.
and you thought it was over...
oh no someone just said Gunnarson wasn’t good. Quick…to the stats!
by Goosemonster on Jan 25, 2012 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
Not that he isn’t good, just not the “untouchable” that he’s being perceived as
and you thought it was over...
he’s not untouchable, no, but no one is prying him out of Toronto if they think they can offer scraps. He’s on a cheap contract, going RFA and is in our top 2 D, easily top 4 any team.
by Goosemonster on Jan 25, 2012 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t think anyone believes he’s untouchable, especially now.
But he’s a damn good dman and there’s almost no reason to trade him unless Leafs are blown away.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t think he’s particularly strong at any end of the ice
Everybody’s entitled to their opinion I guess.
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by Chemmy on Jan 25, 2012 1:23 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Francois Beauchemin feels his pain.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 25, 2012 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
And his opinion is his and you should respect it Chemmy.
/notserious
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by leafer1984 on Jan 25, 2012 1:25 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
FLYERROB, is that you?
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by Sergei Puckizin on Jan 25, 2012 1:52 PM EST up reply actions
depends, is that your opinion?
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 25, 2012 2:40 PM EST up reply actions
I ask why not Gunnarsson?
I don’t think he’s particularly strong at any end of the ice. I see him turn the puck over just as often as Phaneuf, Schenn or Komisarek and his "offensive threat" is lucky or inconsistent at best.
Nice knowing you
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 1:23 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Gunnar is strong at every end of the ice
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by sportsfan2 on Jan 25, 2012 1:23 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
If there were a third end he’d be strong there too.
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by Back In Black on Jan 25, 2012 1:26 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Still holding out for some Burke magic where he trades komi for something awesome
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 25, 2012 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
stranger things have happened. Who the hell thought we’d get rid of Blake and toskala, in a single deal?
by Goosemonster on Jan 25, 2012 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
for Franson AND lombardi! Either one of those guys would have made that deal a victory.
by Goosemonster on Jan 25, 2012 1:31 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I meant this in relative terms:
something awesome
So, possibly some new rope for RWs PK lessons?!?!
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 25, 2012 1:33 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Maybe you don’t like him because Gunnars shoot Bullets.
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by Chemmy on Jan 25, 2012 1:25 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
oof
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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by leafer1984 on Jan 25, 2012 1:26 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
oh come on that’s an amazing joke
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Waldorf should to teaching you magic spells, not comedy…
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by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 25, 2012 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
Probably?
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ugh, makes it worse that I can’t structure sentences properly:
Waldorf should stick to teaching
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 25, 2012 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
You are vastly underrating Gunnar, he’s been a top 2 D-man for the Leafs this year and is a top 4 on almost any NHL team. H’es not flashy or a huge hitter but he is good at a lot of facets of hockey which makes him valuable in that you can throw him out comfortably in any situation.
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He also chooses the most inopportune moments to gaff plays up.
Look at that short-handed rush his brain cramp led to against NYI. That’s the kind of stuff that sears into your mind; I’ve seen those kind of beer-league pinches and lack of effort on the return far too many times in recent Leafs history to be content with it.
It’s those kind of plays that, as a Leaf fan, has me conditioned to be disappointed and always fearing one goal leads.
that mess up last night was one of the first times I noticed him screw up that bad. 50 games into the season.
by Goosemonster on Jan 25, 2012 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
But it’s seared into his mind!
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 25, 2012 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
He’s good, im not doubting that. But I think when Schenn was comfortable and playing well, he was better in his own zone.
and you thought it was over...
Yep. Schenn would stick handle around 3 people and make a breakout pass. Gunn’s go-to seems to be a chip off the boards which is hard to handle for the forwards and not hard enough to get out
and you thought it was over...
I don’t know what to say. Gunnar is positionally sound, and his chips off the boards are among the little things he does well. Schenn turns the puck over a lot more because he hasn’t been doing those ltitle things.
by Goosemonster on Jan 25, 2012 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
No remember that im referring to the “old” Luke. Right now I like Gunn’s play better.
Ending point- If a team is making a push for Carl and the trade is beneficial. Do it.
and you thought it was over...
well ofcourse, same could be said for any Maple Leaf but the question is what value in return would you consider beneficial.
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and of the two, Schenn would give you more value in return
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But this old Luke appears to have never existed. Schenn was never really a top 2 defender on this team. Never.
by Goosemonster on Jan 25, 2012 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
he was still OLAS
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"
by Matt_Roberts on Jan 25, 2012 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
Schenn would TRY to stick handle around 3 guys and then get stripped of the puck, his play with the puck is nowhere near as good as Gunnar, i’d say he’s the worst player on the team with the puck on his stick
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Whoa whoa whoa
You’d rather a defensive attempt to stick handle the puck out of the zone instead of taking the safe route of putting it high off the glass and out? Are you mental?
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What, its not like clearing the zone is one of this team’s biggest areas of concern or anything.
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by Self Destructive Zones on Jan 25, 2012 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
I believe the proper question is “Is you mental?”
by Goosemonster on Jan 25, 2012 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
I think you’re confusing a Leaf game with a Pens game and Schenn with Crosby.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 25, 2012 1:36 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Gunnar is solid at pretty much everything except for making big hits and scoring lots of goals.
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why not Gunnarsson?
Why not Zoidberg?
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by Chi-town leafs on Jan 25, 2012 1:33 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Everything after your first sentence is utterly embarrassing.
That is all.
by LeftNutForAStarCenter on Jan 25, 2012 1:52 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Gunnarsson
is very good at both ends of the ice. There’s a reason when the game is on the line in the 3rd period, Gunnar gets put with Phaneuf to ice the game. Didn’t someone point out Schenn wasn’t in the game in the final 8 minutes of that first game against the Isles? Gunnar is the most responsible defenseman we have right now. Moving him for anything less than a Ryan Suter (which is not going to happen) would be a huge blow to the defensive play of our d-men
by LeftNutForAStarCenter on Jan 25, 2012 2:01 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Schenn’s been seeing minimal ice time late in games pretty frequently.
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by Self Destructive Zones on Jan 25, 2012 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
Best case scenario
He becomes our version of Brian Rafalski.
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Offensively
Anyway.
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to be fair you could pair a monkey with Linstrom and he’d probably pot 30 points.
by Goosemonster on Jan 25, 2012 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
I think this was done intentionally.
/lastweek’smeme
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 25, 2012 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
I’m going to keep misspelling for shits and giggles.
by Goosemonster on Jan 25, 2012 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
You should never mispell.
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by Frag on Jan 25, 2012 1:33 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I see what you did there.
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by MLS on Jan 25, 2012 5:12 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That’s just Goose misremembering the exact spelling of the first time around.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 25, 2012 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
“I like this deal: if the player we signed is a Hall of Famer it’ll all be fine”.
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by Chemmy on Jan 25, 2012 1:28 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Offensively.
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i dont see why you should be offended by that
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 25, 2012 2:41 PM EST up reply actions
He’s probably overreacting. Why not overreact to his overreaction?
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by FiftyMissionCap on Jan 25, 2012 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
i find the non-overreaction offensive
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 25, 2012 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
Hey remember when Brian Rafalski’s body deteriorated on him and he retired with a year left because he wanted to be able to walk when he was 50 and the Wings lucked out that he wasn’t on a 35+ contract?
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Yet!
We’ll see in 4 more years!
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
Not my point. My point is that, just like the Wings, the Leafs might be signing Liles to years he won’t/can’t play and make decisions based on that. That happened to the Wings. They had to scramble to find a replacement this year and ended up with Ian White.
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Funny thing, that – I’d gladly swap Liles out for White.
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by Draglikepull on Jan 25, 2012 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
factoring in age and contract? hell to the yes
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 25, 2012 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
isnt it a little strange to sign a guy out of the lineup with a concussion to a 4 year deal at the age of 31?
For all we know Liles never shakes off the cobwebs
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"
The timing w/ his concussion is indeed the strangest part.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
Bingo.
Or like Crosby/Savard, he takes another knock to the head and that’s that and we’re carrying around his LTIR for 4 more years.
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meh we can absorb the money, cash aint nothing but a g thang for us.
by Goosemonster on Jan 25, 2012 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
Like I said before (maybe on FTB)
For all we know Liles has been cleared and could’ve played yesterday but team thought why bother for one game when we can give him another whole week off without missing anymore games.
Also if he ends up like Savard oh no we put on LTIR for the next 4 years, oops.
the organization looks like a bunch of goof if hes on lTIR for 4 years
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by Matt_Roberts on Jan 25, 2012 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
the organization looks like a bunch of goof if hes on lTIR for 4 years
to who, and who cares
Players comming here will only see that injured players are looked after and are dealt with in good faith, isn’t this a positive.
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by fair_n_hite_451 on Jan 25, 2012 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
to everyone.
I dont think they need to worry about players seeing them take care of injured players specifically related to JML injury. The leafs take care of their guys regardless, but handing out big deals to guys who run the risk of not playing at all just isnt that smart.
They must have some sort of assurance that JML is good to go, no symptoms.
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by Matt_Roberts on Jan 25, 2012 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
If it doesn’t go against the cap, then who cares if MLSE pays them out.
Well.. I guess we might care when they raise ticket/beer prices..
Well.. I guess we might care when they raise ticket/beer prices..And look at Burkes “risky” moves these past years
Well.. I guess we might care when they raise ticket/beer prices..And look at Burkes “risky” moves these past yearsHe got Gardiner to take on the “broken” Lupul and his contract
Well.. I guess we might care when they raise ticket/beer prices..And look at Burkes “risky” moves these past yearsHe got Gardiner to take on the “broken” Lupul and his contractHe got Franson to take on the “concussed” Lombardi and his contract
Well.. I guess we might care when they raise ticket/beer prices..And look at Burkes “risky” moves these past yearsHe got Gardiner to take on the “broken” Lupul and his contractHe got Franson to take on the “concussed” Lombardi and his contractHe signed Tim “Boneitis” Connolly and he’s played over 37 games this season (is that a record?.. and rumour is that the Boneitis spread to Armstrong.. so maybe that was a bad move by Burke)
Changing my "Goat of The Year" player from Armstrong to Kulemin
woo.. what the hell happened.. that’s pretty trippy..
Changing my "Goat of The Year" player from Armstrong to Kulemin
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by Nirbo on Jan 25, 2012 3:17 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
stop talking about me behind my back!
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 25, 2012 3:25 PM EST up reply actions
Winner.
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Whoa scroll with the arrow keys and it’s even more trippy
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by PassivelyTruculent on Jan 25, 2012 3:23 PM EST up reply actions
if he wasnt injured recently probably someone. not sure now.
by Goosemonster on Jan 25, 2012 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
true both of those guys are desperate enough, but I wonder if they couldnt even get a 5th or 6th round pick for him, what’s wrong? That or they didn’t shop him, which would be silly
by Goosemonster on Jan 25, 2012 1:44 PM EST up reply actions
3SA alert, but he was .890 in 24 games for SJ last year and in 5 AHL games he was also below 900. Ouch.
by Goosemonster on Jan 25, 2012 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
I’m going to guess no one.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
This is apparently getting messy between Niitty and the Sharks
Word is he found out about being on waivers from the media, and has publicly said he’s done with the organization and hopes another team picks him up.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
I thought only RW was a bad coach that didn’t communicate with players
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
well if publically saying you’re done with an organization worked for Patrick Roy then it pretty much has to work for every goalie, right?
by SlickWill on Jan 25, 2012 7:07 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Best thing Burke’s been able to do since coming to Toronto is stay out of messy contract entanglements. Liles deal continues that. -@DamoSpin
I’m now forced to reconsider my thoughts on the Liles contract.
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by Caleafornia on Jan 25, 2012 1:46 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
You’re just lucky you’ve already played Columbus this year, preventing an ex-leaf hat trick.
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I’m thinking that’ll probably Versteeg. Hell, he almost did it to us last year.
Maybe Stalberg. Chicago already has our number as it is.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Jan 25, 2012 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
The newest $15 million dollar man: John-Micheal Liles
My take on the extension at The Silver Fox!
by pho king awesome on Jan 25, 2012 2:07 PM EST reply actions
Salary dips in the final year, likely making him valuable to a salary-team in year 4
reporterchris
With new deal, #leafs John-Michael Liles gets $4.25M the next three years and then $2.75M in final year.
No no, dig UP stupid.
Still no word on NTC/NMC though.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
Also, if he ends up pulling a Rafalski, which I see as unlikely but was discussed earlier so you never know,
he’d be more likely to retire putting off 2.75 than he would 3.8
I don’t even want to consider that a possibility. Should assume he’s staying the full length, but nice to have options if things start looking bad in year 4.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 2:37 PM EST up reply actions
Aside from Brian Rolston, are there actually any examples of cap floor teams taking on not-very-useful players just to hit the cap floor? I still think this is largely a pipe dream that doesn’t actually happen.
The plural of "anecdote" is not "data".
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by Draglikepull on Jan 25, 2012 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
I’m convinced the Panthers did just that with Campbell
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Campbell has 35 points right now and is a Dale Tallon guy from when he was in Chicago. I’m talking about guys who don’t add much on the ice and are just a salary dump.
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by Draglikepull on Jan 25, 2012 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
Well now that you throw those caveats in…
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Jason Blake was traded partially because his actual salary dropped as the contract went on while Giguere’s went up.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
Anaheim isn’t a cap floor team, but I see what you mean.
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by Draglikepull on Jan 25, 2012 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
Good thing I was careful with my original wording then
Salary dips in the final year, likely making him valuable to a salary-team in year 4
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I just skim titles usually so I read that as “salary floor team”.
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by Draglikepull on Jan 25, 2012 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
You're right though, there aren't a ton of examples.
Franson + Lombardi was a $ saving trade too… but ya I never thought Rolston to a cap floor team would happen.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 3:55 PM EST up reply actions
WHAT DOES IT MEEEEEEEEEEEEEAN?
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 25, 2012 2:43 PM EST reply actions
Obvious Unicorn-to-the-Leafs trade dominos approaching
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
Well, for one it means you reply failed…
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by fair_n_hite_451 on Jan 25, 2012 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
no it doesnt
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 25, 2012 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
Well, you’re entitled to your (wrong) opinion…
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by fair_n_hite_451 on Jan 25, 2012 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
John-Michael Liles Extended
Excellent news. He’ll do much better now that he’s a bit taller.
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by birky on Jan 25, 2012 2:45 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
only problem is now he’ll have to pump it up manually if he wants to use it
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 25, 2012 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
He makes $4million a year. I don’t think that really matters
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Liles on why he didn’t elect for UFA: extremely happy to be in Toronto, something special in that room #leafs #timandsid #sn590
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by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 3:08 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
Just telling us what we want to hear
If he was being honest, he’d have said:
Have you seen the stats on offensive defensemen at age 34? I’ll be overpaid and unproductive by then!
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by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 3:10 PM EST up reply actions
He also added, "as an American it’s great to have some many other USA players like Phil, and the Mikes around, could use a Tim or a Ryan though. "
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 25, 2012 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
I’m pretty happy with my point production, but what I really want to improve is my Corsi rel QOC
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by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 3:15 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
This site would have exploded.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 25, 2012 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
They do have a Tim
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by leafer1984 on Jan 25, 2012 3:15 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Well another Tim then.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 25, 2012 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry, the alloted amount of “Tim’s” on the team is full
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Now you’re getting it
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And, in turn, Tim Stapleton had to go to make way for Tim Brent.
(Counterpoint: We have room for another Tim now that Tim Hunter isn’t on the bench anymore.)
You just blew my mind
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Plus, that Tim will want to come to Toronto, as he likes American Irishmen with alliterative names, like….oh, I don’t know….Brian Burke.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Jan 25, 2012 4:10 PM EST up reply actions
it says no HomerS. We’re allowed to have one
by SlickWill on Jan 25, 2012 7:10 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
so….it’s time for Tims?
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 25, 2012 3:25 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Mikhail Grabovski, DIon Phaneuf and Phil Kessel- Locker Room Cancers
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by leafer1984 on Jan 25, 2012 3:15 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
I liked hearing from Jonas that Gustavsson is now doing a lot more chirping and seems happier in the dressroom too. Maybe finally fitting in is having a positive effect on his game – or maybe the opposite? Playing better —> more comfortable with teammates.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 3:17 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Him being more comfortable is another reason why I think he’ll want to resign in Toronto.
Apparently his GF (or is it wife now?) doesn’t like the U.S… so he would need to stay in Canada to keep her happy.
Changing my "Goat of The Year" player from Armstrong to Kulemin
by Gebx on Jan 25, 2012 3:21 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Might not be up to him.
I wonder if Harding gets a look as a UFA this summer.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 3:22 PM EST up reply actions
I think Burke resigns him
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He certaintly could make it interesting if he keeps up his play of late for the rest of the season.
Even .910 the rest of the way would be huge.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
Man if Harding was on this team it would be great, so many Tea-Pot Dome Scandal related jokes to be had!
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 25, 2012 3:25 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
ISLE OF MISFIT TOYS!!!11
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by FiftyMissionCap on Jan 25, 2012 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
I like this guy.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Jan 25, 2012 4:07 PM EST up reply actions
I’m terrified that by signed a 31 year old concussion victim to nearly $4 million a season we will need to ship out a 22 year old kid with the potential to develop into an amazing player who would fill exactly the role we need. If Schenn gets moved this is too depressing.
(That said, moving Gunnar would be no less depressing.)
In the court of public opinion, Steve Simmons is Lionel Hutz.
Look again
your Schenn is now a Couturier
I’m going to keep trying.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 3:28 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
more likely a JVR
collect all the concussions!
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 25, 2012 3:30 PM EST up reply actions
is it like Pokemon where we can catch them all?
by Goosemonster on Jan 25, 2012 4:47 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
gotta sing ’em all, gotta sign ’em all
by JohnerstonRex on Jan 25, 2012 6:13 PM EST up reply actions
I’m all in for Crosby
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by fair_n_hite_451 on Jan 25, 2012 6:10 PM EST up reply actions
That would soften the blow, but come 2014 we’re still going to need a big shutdown defenseman.
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You’re Schenn is evolving into a Couturier
How many people would be repeatedly hitting B?
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Almost as many as hitting this series of keys:
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by LeafInVancouver on Jan 25, 2012 3:34 PM EST up reply actions
Still think that, contrary to what people here want to hear, it’s Gunnar going out. Same reason no one on here wants to move him is why he’s such a valuable commodity.
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No one knows who is going right now... it just seems unlikely to be Phaneuf, Gardiner or Liles at this point.
I honestly dont know if it’s Schenn, Franson, Gunnar or Komi, or any of them at all, but whatever happens, I hope the price is right.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 3:34 PM EST up reply actions
It’s not just that he’s a valuable player. It’s that with the weakness on defence on this team, moving Gunnarsson would be saying good-bye to a playoff spot.
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by Back In Black on Jan 25, 2012 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
Where is this “dead offensively at 35 years old” perspective coming from?
I look at the league’s top scoring defenceman and I see more than a few guys 34 or older. Timmonen is 36 years old and is 6th in scoring. Boyle… Lidtsrom… Chara… Gonchar…
Boyle is on another level than Liles, Lidstrom and Chara – come on.
Gonchar. You did not just try and make a reasonable argument using Gonchar
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He also blows in every other aspect on the ice. I wouldn’t pay 3.8M for GOnchar. The Sens are paying him 5M.Thats ridiculous
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Agree. But that’s not the argument I’m making. I’m challenging the notion that offensive defenceman dry up at 35.
It's not a universal rule - it's a trend.
And for what it’s worth, I agree… I don’t think he’ll be useless at 35, and he’ll be making 2.75M at that point.
Let’s just say a bit of a decline is play should probably be expected.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
Ok, that is a statement I can get behind.
I thought there were some hard numbers that everybody else has seen except me by the way everyone was agreeing with the concept. I wanted to see them too.
Nah, but it’s hard to ignore the fact that the list of good point producers 35+ is a short one, and generally includes extremely top-tier players.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
Yes but
Those are the exceptions, not the rule.
It’s not impossible he could join them, but most players decline by then.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
See Zidlicky, Kaberle looks on the way, and plenty more which I can’t even think of because they disappeared into obscurity
Markov, McCabe, Kubina, Jovonovski….
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by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
From Ullmer's piece on the extension
Liles has been instrumental in lifting the Leafs power play from the never regions of the league stats to its current fifth overall standing.
Please tell me that’s a bad pun, and that he does in fact know that the phrase is “nether regions”.
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Question
If people are right in assuming that extending Liles means that a deal is coming soon, why would Burke sign Liles before making the deal? Why wouldn’t he wait, given that there’s no rush on Liles?
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Who knows why Burke does what he does, only that in trades, it tends to work.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe a number of GMs were holding off until the offseason to try to pick up Liles
Now that that option is off the table, they have to change strategies.
There may be layers of thinking going on here!
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by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 3:43 PM EST up reply actions
now I want some 7 layer dip
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 25, 2012 3:49 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Assuming he wanted to keep Liles around this helps him know what kind of salary he can afford to move out or take on.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 25, 2012 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
I think both the reasons suggested above make a tonne of sense.
Taking a desirable UFA off the market limits other GMs options and helps increase Burke’s leverage in trade talks.
Signing a UFA gives Burke more clarity around his cap / salary structure.
That's "Da-ooo". I killed a turkey once, with a shovel.
His way of telling other GM’s to stop calling him asking him about moving JML prior to the deadline?
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I think its a combination of this, and the fact that he obviously would be exchanging numbers with Liles to get an idea on if they could keep him long term and came to an agreement. What was he going to do tell JML that yah sure we’ll sign you to that but uhh lets wait a while till we can make trades. No they found a number and signed the deal.
I’d like to think that Liles flat out loves playing in Toronto and was willing to take a very reasonable paycheque to stay here and have the honor of pulling on the greatest hockey jersey in the history of mankind for another 4 seasons.
That or a impending trade forced Burke’s hand.
Either or.
If I was just coming off a concussion and someone offered me a guaranteed contract for 4 years, I’d probably take it too, regardless of whether or not I liked the team.
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by Draglikepull on Jan 25, 2012 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
You know what I haven't seen since Liles went down?
That fancy drop pass thing to enter the zone with speed on the PP
I wasn’t sure about it when they started doing it, but it was working…. wonder if Liles is a specialist at executing it or something.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
Really? I’ve noticed they still do that.
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Shit well I missed a bunch of games on vacation, but I haven’t seen it happen since I got back.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jan 25, 2012 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
Liles’s bargaining power goes up if the team moves out a defenceman before he signs.
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by Back In Black on Jan 25, 2012 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
You can’t trade a guy going to the All-Star game right now. They’ve already made the jerseys.
/whatdoesitmean?
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by danishmarshmallow on Jan 25, 2012 4:28 PM EST up reply actions
Something else I thought of
During an interview this summer about trying to get Schenn re-signed, Burke mentioned that the Leafs use software that shows the projected development curves for players based on the history of other similar players. So obviously Burke knows that Liles isn’t likely to provide great value at the end of his contract. Does this mean that Burke thinks the team’s window is opening, and that he’s planning to load up to try and make a run at the Cup in the next year or two?
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I was thinking the same thing (about the loading up) and the only way the signing makes sense in that regard to me is that he has a whopper of a trade all lined up and all but guarenteed that will make the leafs an on paper contender for the next 2 years
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 25, 2012 5:30 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe Anaheim are actually going to be huge sellers?
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by Killer Sundin on Jan 25, 2012 5:49 PM EST up reply actions
Probably not, considering their recent winning ways. One can hope, though.
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by SkinnyFish on Jan 25, 2012 5:40 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
No NMC = a-ok.
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by Chemmy on Jan 25, 2012 6:17 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
If it’s just one of those “name 10 teams you won’t go to” clauses I’m not too concerned.
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by Draglikepull on Jan 25, 2012 6:17 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Don’t give a fuck. If he doesn’t have an NMC the following is in play.
“We have a deal in place with (club X). Will you waive?”
“No.”
“We’ll put you on waivers tomorrow. Report to the Ricoh.”
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by Chemmy on Jan 25, 2012 6:20 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
“So about that trade….”
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by SkinnyFish on Jan 25, 2012 6:22 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
And if Burke doesn’t want to force someone to waive I don’t give a shit. Ricoh and earn that money. I just don’t want an NMC boat anchor like Komisarek.
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by Chemmy on Jan 25, 2012 6:23 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Sure that sound so good. Then the next thing you know, we’ll be just as desirable as Edmonton or Montreal to UFAs. Plus who do you think we are, the Habs?
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Rangers buried Wade Redden. Oddly enough Gaborik and Richards signed there no problem.
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I’m sorry, but the girl in me has to say WOOOOOOOOOIEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!! You know, ‘cause he’s verrrrrrry easy on the eyes and I like that. I also like that he gets assists and helps the pk (when healthy). I hope he returns soon. I like that too. Hockey skills trump looks, after all.
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