Liles Linkage
by JP Nikota on Jan 26, 2012 7:01 AM EST
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PrintJudging by most of your blog posts and comments, there seems to be some consensus on what the extension of John-Michael Liles signifies for the Leafs as a team:
First, this move signifies a step towards stabilizing the Leafs' roster. Brian Burke appears poised to make a real run at the Stanley Cup in a few seasons, likely within the term of Phil Kessel's current contract.
Second, with the Leafs set to spend nearly $20M on only six defenders next season, there appears to be an over-commitment in funds to a group of players that struggle mightily to prevent goals. Oh, and that's not including what Keith Aulie and/or Cody Franson will earn.
Third, although I hate the term "log jam", for the time being, the Leafs appear to be carrying 8 NHL defenders (not including Korbinian Holzer), and if Burke is so hell-bent on acquiring a forward with size, it's likely to come at the cost of a defenseman. Knowing Burke's infamous "track record", we can expect a deal to go down a couple weeks before the deadline.
I think that concerns about Liles' ability to produce at a reasonable rate at the age of 35 are well-founded, though as many have already pointed out, if Brian Burke can bring this team a Stanley Cup by then, no one will care in the slightest.
Take your pick from a wide array of blogger's takes after the jump.
Liles' Links:
Maple Leafs sign Liles to extension
James Mirtle at the Globe and Mail has his say.
Liles Signs 4 Year Extension with Leafs
Danny Gray wonders aloud about what this means for the future of Luke Schenn with the Leafs.
Does the Liles extension mean Grabovski is out in Toronto?
Cam Charron sees the Leafs' cap situation forcing Burke's hand. From The Leafs Nation.
John-Michael Liles Signs Extension
From Jeffler at LeafsHQ.
Liles Re-signs in Toronto for Four Years
Justin Fisher with his two cents at Hogtown Hockey.
Locking up Liles is a Smart Move by the Maple Leafs
Lukas Hardonk weighs in at The Hockey Writers.
Other Leafs' Links:
Ron Wilson Definitely Does Match Lines
Danny Gray makes things very clear at The Leafs Nation.
All Hail Mikhail Grabovski
PPP with some Mickey Grabs love over at The Leafs Nation.
Question Time At VLM
My answers: first-round exit, and the end of Phil Kessel's current contract, give or take a year.
Leafs Prospect Update from the ECHL
Kyle The Reporter continues his solid work.
Dave? Dave’s not – oh, wait, he IS here.
Diamond Cuts and Wax Stains has a pretty washed out image of David Keon. Photographically, that is.
The Man Crush: Leaf Edition
The latest from Darren K at Blue Chip Prospects.
Other Hockey Links:
Backhand Shelf Podcast with ESPN’s Neil Greenberg
Neil Greenberg, if you haven't heard, is the guy who didn't include John Tavares in the top 25 under 25 list.
Antero Niittymaki, waived by Sharks
Wow, that's being candid. From Greg Wyshynski at PD.
Vladimir Putin wants meeting with NHL for 2014 Sochi Games
From Dmitry Chesnokov at Puck Daddy.
Importance of Quality of Competition/Teammates
Perhaps it's not as important as you'd think, says David Johnson.
Roy McMurtry still pushing for change in hockey’s culture
Roy MacGregor at the Globe has the story.
Dirty Dangle 2012 NHL All-Star Fantasy Draft Drinking Game!
This is pretty funny, but it'd also mean death if you actually tried it.
Judging Goalies: Should We Include PK Save Percentage?
Eric T. at Broad Street Hockey with more excellent work. If you're not following him on Twitter, you probably should be.
The Quiet Room’s All-Hurt All-Stars: Forwards
Guess which Leaf tops the list? Oh, and if you're squeamish, don't scroll to the bottom. There's a photo of Darryl Boyce's nose. From Jo Innes at Backhand Shelf.
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All rumours, but...
OHL wants to join in on the Winter Classic
So the OHL is interested in doing a double header the day before the winter classic, featuring London, Windsor, Saginaw, and Plymouth, but they may not be welcome in the Big House (wha? why? hehe)
it would be a fun add on to the WC events, if they add in everything that’s been tossed around (alumni game, college games), maybe add in a Marlies/Griffins game, it would be one hell of a (oh so expensive) holiday.
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I think its a decent idea, though I think it would be cooler to do an AHL / NHL doubleheader – the AHL affiliates in the afternoon and the NHL in the evening.
by Goosemonster on Jan 26, 2012 8:32 AM EST up reply actions
i don’t know if the NHL would want a double header since the ice hasn’t been perfect every year, having a pro team chew it up before the NHL guys if probably out of the question.
Would be the day after or at comercia Park.
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The ice was pretty brutal for the Marlies game too because of the sun even though they had a cold enough temp. There would have to be several hrs between games with the NHL game being played in the evening. NHL seems to want these games played in the daylight and not under the stars.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Jan 26, 2012 8:51 AM EST up reply actions
If the Alumni game is at Comerica, I say have them play there. No way an OHL games gets more than 20,000 people.
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oh yeah, not in Detroit. plus the whole NCAA not being a fan of the CHL thing.
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Re. the defense struggling to prevent goals
The Leafs are actually pretty middle of the pack in terms of GA 5-v-5. We have similar numbers to Buffalo, Pittsburgh, Phildadelphia, Dallas and New Jersey. Not exactly the Boston Bruins, but not the Ottawa Senators either.
I think, because of the horrid PK, we have a perception that our defense is worse than it actually is.
In the court of public opinion, Steve Simmons is Lionel Hutz.
We allow a fair number of shots though, too. That’s the root of it, really.
http://bluechipprospects.blogspot.com
lately it’s been way down it’s felt.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 26, 2012 9:16 AM EST up reply actions
It was something like 26.5 SA/G in January, which would be good for 2nd best in the league. Overall, we’re currently 19th, although most of the teams behind us are non-playoff teams, so I think it’s still something that needs to be worked on. I think The Bag is right though, this team is getting better defensively at even strength, but the PK is dragging our results down.
The plural of "anecdote" is not "data".
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by Draglikepull on Jan 26, 2012 9:39 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah apparently (I think before the last Islanders game) the Leafs had a goal differential of +11 in January. So…hooray for a perfect PK?
In the court of public opinion, Steve Simmons is Lionel Hutz.
If we don’t let in a goal on the PK the rest of the season, we could probably finish close to middle of the pack in penalty killing! Huzzah!
http://bluechipprospects.blogspot.com
if we never score on the PP again we could finish close to the bottom in power play. Huzzah?
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 26, 2012 9:46 AM EST up reply actions
I looked at this a couple months ago. We are improving defensively at evens.
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I was more replying to the idea that our d “struggle mightily to prevent goals,” but in terms of shots, we’re actually middle of the pack as well. And that’s including SA on the PK (since nhl.com doesn’t break out shots 5v5).
In the court of public opinion, Steve Simmons is Lionel Hutz.
Leafs are 21st in the league in road tied Fenwick.
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That’s not just a defensive measure though, that’s relative to the shots we produce, isn’t it? Point is, at even strength, our d are slightly below average at preventing goals. I’m just saying it’s not as bad as people seem to think.
In the court of public opinion, Steve Simmons is Lionel Hutz.
the returns per dollar aren’t good. Does anyone know offhand where we are in terms of spending on defense? I would bet top 10, probably top 5
http://bluechipprospects.blogspot.com
Cool, I’m very curious. Want to see whether it’s generally a good strategy or whether spending on D is a money pit
http://bluechipprospects.blogspot.com
Im going to make a fanpost on it today to show it appropriately,
$ vs shots and $ vs gaa,
anything else you want to see?
so im at work and my excel here is awful,
cheapshot, you wanna do a couple charts for me?
by Ben Schnell on Jan 26, 2012 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
just for now, we’re #4 in defense spending,
philly, detroit, los angeles are ahead of us and san jose is right behind
by Ben Schnell on Jan 26, 2012 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
I’ll concede that point. As a matter of fact, now that I look at it, the Leafs are 24th in the league in terms of shots for/60, and 15th in terms of shots against/60, which suggests that the Leafs do need some help up front.
That said, I’m not willing to just dismiss the Leafs’ poor PK performance and only consider 5v5 situations when I evaluate our defense.
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Being 25th in the league in total GA/G is inexcusable given what Burke is paying for defenders.
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You should also probably factor in goalies in that calculation though. They’re also a factor in preventing goals, or so I’ve been told.
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We’re paying a combined $3.1M for goaltending right now (cap-hit wise). i don’t know of an easy way to compare that across teams in capgeek, but I’d have to think that’s low versus other teams, and I suspect our total D + G spend would end up being middle of the pack.
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Its low end, but there’s probably six or seven other teams that are right around 3 million.
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I counted when Brian Elliott got his extension, I think there are something like 8 or 9 teams paying their starting goalie less than Elliott will earn next year, so the Leafs are on the low end, but it’s not unheard of for a team to have a starting goalie making as little as Reimer.
The plural of "anecdote" is not "data".
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by Draglikepull on Jan 26, 2012 10:18 AM EST up reply actions
What happened to you daoust? You used to be cool and snark-free.
Thanks for pointing out that goaltending helps prevent goals.
This argument is getting somwhat Burtched, so let’s simplify again, because I don’t really have the time right now for anything more involved.
Hands up if you think $20M is too high a cap hit for Dion Phaneuf, Luke Schenn, Mike Komisarek, J-M Liles, Gunnarsson and Gardiner. (Raising hand like Hermione Granger in transfiguration class.) The only two out-performing their deals are the two G’s, and they certainly don’t even things out.
Given the rate at which the Leafs allow goals (or even shots, because 15th overall in 5v5 shots against isn’t good enough for that money), the goaltending doesn’t explain away the issue, either at 5v5 or 4v5.
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by Shield on Jan 26, 2012 11:03 AM EST up reply actions 5 recs
We all knew this was coming.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 26, 2012 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
Knew you’d be first to point that out.
Felix’d
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by not norm ullman on Jan 26, 2012 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
Knew you’d be the first to point THAT out.
Ullman’d.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 26, 2012 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
Knew you’d wanna keep the fight going even after you’d lost.
Domi’d.
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by not norm ullman on Jan 26, 2012 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
Knew you’d keep doing this even though it’s lost a lot of it’s goodness.
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by Chi-town leafs on Jan 26, 2012 11:14 AM EST up reply actions
Knew I’d be the first to notice the love just wasn’t there anymore, after what you did with the maid, the MAID for Christ’s sake, and it’s all about respect, so see ya, wouldn’t wanna be ya.
Alimoni’d.
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by not norm ullman on Jan 26, 2012 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
Knew you’d be the one to cross over anger bridge back to friendship shore.
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by Tickle Me Aulie on Jan 26, 2012 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
I just knew you wanted to do Karate in the garage
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by thenumber14 on Jan 26, 2012 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
That’s a very different argument, and I wouldn’t disagree that $20M is too much for the defense we’re getting.
But hands up if you think $15.5M is too high a cap hit for Dion Phaneuf, Luke Schenn, J-M Liles, Gunnarson and Gardiner. Maybe, but it’s a lot better without Komisarek’s contract. So yes, our D corps is overpaid, but paying $4.5M for Komi’s negligible contributions is a huge reason why. Without that contract I can’t imagine this being discussed.
In the court of public opinion, Steve Simmons is Lionel Hutz.
But if we exclude 15 games, he has a GREAT save percentage.
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Too much snark in that boxquote.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 26, 2012 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
None intended. You can see how these are analogous arguments, n’est-ce pas? It’s not a perfect match, but you get the idea.
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No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 26, 2012 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
I think you missed the point of my comment. It’s not about cherry-picking cases that fit my argument, but saying that the problem is contained to one individual. Mike Komisarek is overpaid and underproductive. The Leafs’ d corps? Not so much.
Looking at things in detail isn’t the same as cherry-picking.
In the court of public opinion, Steve Simmons is Lionel Hutz.
See, I get that, and in principle, Burke would be able to waive or trade Komisarek to help solve this issue. Unfortunately, reality is somewhat different.
Also, potential or not, Schenn has played himself into the ‘overpaid’ category this season as well. Also, Phaneuf looks great, but I’m still not crazy about his cap hit.
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I never thought he’d trade Blake or Toskala, let alone in one deal, so moving Komi is, I think, a real possibiity. Not for much mind you.
by Goosemonster on Jan 26, 2012 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
At this point I would take anything. Even another bad contract that can be buried. Komi’s contract is going to hurt the Leafs ability to sign key FA’s this off season.
When losing an argument on the internet, be sure to attack someones grammar. That is the only way to save face.
as long as the bad contract isnt too long term, I’m on board with moving him for whatever. Not sure who might want a D, but even if he’s overpriced he is still an NHL defender and could be moved cheaply in terms of assets.
by Goosemonster on Jan 26, 2012 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
It’s not just how difficult it is to trade Komi. Burke has a total hard-on for him.
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im pretty confident Burke would trade Komi in a second if he got a half decent offer that wasn’t another boat anchor contract
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 26, 2012 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
probably just hopeful intuition…thats a thing right?
by JohnerstonRex on Jan 26, 2012 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
As Goosemonster points out, Burke traded Toskala and Blake for an NHL goaltender, so let’s not rule out any possibilities.
Look, obviously some players on our team will be overpaid; that’s true of most teams. And to compensate, you have RFA guys who are underpaid. I just get the feeling that our d gets more grief than they deserve these days.
In the court of public opinion, Steve Simmons is Lionel Hutz.
4.5 million for Komi, given his play, is at least a 2 million dollar overpay. No need for that
by Goosemonster on Jan 26, 2012 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
on the plus side, at least were not paying gnomez 7+ Million
by JohnerstonRex on Jan 26, 2012 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
7 Habs goals
None for the 7 million dollar man
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by Chris Stoikoff on Jan 26, 2012 2:57 PM EST up reply actions
I tried to enter into an Excel spreadsheet what his $ per goal total was.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Jan 26, 2012 3:21 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
For the record I’ve never been snark-free. And you know I’m still cool, come on!
Your comment seemed to imply that D spend was the primary factor in goals against, I was just pointing out that goalies of course factor into that as well, with a little bit of cheekiness for my (and other’s) amusement.
I think everyone’s just a little too sensitive around here these days. Do we need to hug it out???
That's "Da-ooo". I killed a turkey once, with a shovel.
I’d go for a hug, but you’re not that cool anymore.
I shot a moose once, in upstate New York.
by not norm ullman on Jan 26, 2012 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
your Snark REL has increased a lot this season.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 26, 2012 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
what the fuck are you talking about man??
/notserious
seriously, if anything I’m less of a sarcastic prick than i was when I joined 3 years ago. in real life anyway.
That's "Da-ooo". I killed a turkey once, with a shovel.
because now you have an outlet for it so it doesn’t bleed into the real work ;)
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i definitely use this place to meet my daily asshole requirements
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 26, 2012 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
I’m just here for the charts and graphs.
OPERATION TANK IS A GO. It’s the only explanation for Mike Weber. He’s on a secret mission.
someone made me my own chart once.
it was nice.
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some people
here have really good chart skills. i used to think i was good with Excel but now i think i need a chart tutorial.
or maybe i’ll just start plotting hockey figures in Matlab….
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 26, 2012 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
found it!
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by elseldo on Jan 26, 2012 12:07 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
COMIC SANS
Dion Phaneuf: turning the tunes up since '10
by thenumber14 on Jan 26, 2012 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
That caused more uproar than I expected
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 26, 2012 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
Well, here was my initial comment:
Second, with the Leafs set to spend nearly $20M on only six defenders next season, there appears to be an over-commitment in funds to a group of players that struggle mightily to prevent goals.
I guess what I should have said was that they’ve struggled to prevent goals and shots.
In any event, I’m happy to hug it out, buddy.
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That I would totally agree with. In fact, preventing shots is probably a better description for a defender than preventing goals.
That's "Da-ooo". I killed a turkey once, with a shovel.
also
That's "Da-ooo". I killed a turkey once, with a shovel.
by daoust on Jan 26, 2012 11:30 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
awww
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by JP Nikota on Jan 26, 2012 11:33 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
if there were an ASG for hugs, Kessel would be captain.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 26, 2012 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
#PPP
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by Isosceles Kramer on Jan 26, 2012 12:10 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think Phaneuf and Liles are providing fair value. Gunnarsson and Gardiner are providing very good value. Schenn and Komi are providing bad value. I don’t think it quite evens out, but moving even one of Schenn or Komi makes the situation pretty good from a cap perspective.
The plural of "anecdote" is not "data".
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by Draglikepull on Jan 26, 2012 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
moving even one of Schenn or Komi makes the situation pretty good from a cap perspective.
Burke, do your thing.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 26, 2012 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
Pretty much exactly how I feel. I’d rather move Komi, obviously and I think Schenn only goes for a unicorn-like player. A top 6 big player, if you will.
by Goosemonster on Jan 26, 2012 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
I’m starting to feel like we’re going to be pretty disappointed in the return we get for Schenn right now.
Unless Burke keeps talking him up in the media, a la “Kaberle for a Top 6”.
Which is why I repeat ad nauseum:
Schenn for Couturier.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 26, 2012 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
if it’s philly, its going to be JVR, word on the “street” was Schenn for JVR + matt read
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 26, 2012 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
Ya okay. What street? Jailhouse bob?
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God this Schenn thing is going to bite the Leafs in the ass long term.
When losing an argument on the internet, be sure to attack someones grammar. That is the only way to save face.
And my wallet short term. I’m going to need a new sweater
by ShahofToronto on Jan 26, 2012 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
lol Philly isn’t that stupid. HockeyBuzz for the loss…
by Goosemonster on Jan 26, 2012 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
That would be theft… although I’m not very high on JVR to be honest.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 26, 2012 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
neither am I but that’s still theft to the nth degree.
by Goosemonster on Jan 26, 2012 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t think we’ll be disappointed. When has Burke traded and gotten bad value back? He isn’t going to trade a young defender like Schenn for mediocre players.
by Goosemonster on Jan 26, 2012 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
Makes me think Schenn isn't going anywhere, if we see Schenn's issues, so do other teams' scouts
It was the draft 2 years ago I think Burke insinuated that he was offered “an insult” for Schenn.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 26, 2012 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
Kubina for Exelby (and cap space which was used for Komisarek)
About time that people finally realized how awesome Gunnar is...
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But at least Exelby was an Atlanta “fan favourite”
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 26, 2012 12:18 PM EST up reply actions
I’m sure he’s a grand Rapids fan favourite now too.
by Goosemonster on Jan 26, 2012 12:29 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
And I think Rockford the year before this (I went to a Griffins/Ice Hogs game and was heckling him when he was on the Ice Hogs)
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by Chi-town leafs on Jan 26, 2012 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
This is it exactly. Komi and now Schenn are the only ones where I think we’re getting bad value. Man it makes me sad to say that about Schenn. But as you said, you move either one and insert someone with better value and things don’t look so bad out there.
I’m totally fine paying Phaneuf what we are. If this was his UFA season, the way he’s playing now someone would certainly pay that much if not more for him.
That's "Da-ooo". I killed a turkey once, with a shovel.
The reason I was looking at 5v5 (not exactly discounting the PK) is that I was trying to show that the PK is responsible for us being 25th in GA/G.
Look, until January, something weird happened when the Leafs went down a man. Our poor PK isn’t just a result of our D not being very good. I just wanted to show that if you set aside the black hole that was/is the PK, the defense looks very different.
In the court of public opinion, Steve Simmons is Lionel Hutz.
Also, re. Leafs’ shots for, I’d say that’s just what you’d expect from a team that likes to score off the rush. The fact that they are 6th in Goals/Game suggests that we aren’t desperate for help up front. (At least, we aren’t hurting offensively. Having someone who is great at possession might help reduce SA, but that’s a bit different.)
In the court of public opinion, Steve Simmons is Lionel Hutz.
The fact that they are 6th in Goals/Game suggests that we aren’t desperate for help up front.
Or that we’ve benefitted so far from a high shooting percentage that’s unlikely to continue. I hope that’s not the case (someone has to finish at the top of the league in SH%) but I fear that it might be.
The plural of "anecdote" is not "data".
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by Draglikepull on Jan 26, 2012 10:16 AM EST up reply actions
Or both. You usually need both, and usually the best teams get both.
by Ben Schnell on Jan 26, 2012 10:17 AM EST up reply actions
Listening to the backhand shelf,
Tomas Kaberle was at the whitehouse, the secret service didnt have to worry about him shooting anything
pretty clever :P
by Ben Schnell on Jan 26, 2012 8:45 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
and to summarize the points on tavares
The guy who left Tavares off the list says:
- he doesn’t dominate puck possession
- scoring is not necessarilly a big deal
- he is given 55% of his starts in the offensive zone which gives him his points, otherwise he could potentially be a 35pt player
- he faces sheltered minutes and to clarify, if he builds a team right now he wouldnt take tavares, he would take those 25 other players first (little, vlasic)
- PDO is the most valuable advanced stat
If that guy would take Little over Tavares he is a moron
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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I want him to be the next Isles GM.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 26, 2012 9:27 AM EST up reply actions
I want him to be the next EVERY gm (cept for the Leafs)!!!!
by c_gee on Jan 26, 2012 10:17 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
little has less than .5ppg through 300+ games and he thinks he’s much better than tavares right now because, essentially, tavares is only scoring because of his zonestarts, and besides, scoring doesnt really matter he says
its the espn 25 under 25 guy
what does he think this is? A goal scoring competition?
by Nigel Cadbury on Jan 26, 2012 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
Everyone knows you win games by having the best QualComp in the league.
by WizardofNaz on Jan 26, 2012 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
you would think that sometimes by reading some of our threads.
by Nigel Cadbury on Jan 26, 2012 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
That’s why you don’t go to ESPN for hockey talk (except LeBrun)
Pension Plan Puppets
I hope YouTube comes down to film this.
by birky on Jan 26, 2012 9:43 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
also, this is really just some guy covering his ass because he forgot about Tavares when making his list.
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I hope YouTube comes down to film this.
It reeks of a guy who lets teh numbers define everything and not using them to confirm what the eyes see. That’s how numbers should be used.
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- he doesn’t dominate puck possession
Yeah he does.
- scoring is not necessarilly a big dealYeah it is
.- he is given 55% of his starts in the offensive zone which gives him his points, otherwise he could potentially be a 35pt playerHow would reducing O-zone starts by 1/11th (to 50%) cut his points by more than half?
- he faces sheltered minutesHe gets match up against top d-pairs and top shutdown lines every single game.
if he builds a team right now he wouldnt take tavares, he would take those 25 other players first (little, vlasic)He’ll never get a GM job with beliefs like this.
- PDO is the most valuable advanced statGood God is that oh so wrong.
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by SkinnyFish on Jan 26, 2012 9:58 AM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Good God is that oh so wrong.
And this is from a stats guy
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I don’t think there is a single ‘Stats guy’, other than this one guy, who thinks PDO is the most advanced stat
YOu have obviously never encountered Hockey Analysis
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Well
Im not sure what he thinks of PDO.
I do know that… Look, I’m not trying to say anything bad about anybody. Hockey Analysis has different methods than guys like Gabe and Zona.
Namely, hockeyanalysis doesn’t find value in Corsi.
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by theninjagreg on Jan 26, 2012 5:38 PM EST up reply actions
Actually half those things Greenberg didn’t say, half of them are right.
- he doesn’t dominate puck possession
Depends on your definition of “dominant”. Given his favourable OZS (58.1% right now) Tavares does OK but he’s no Datsyuk or Kesler.
- scoring is not necessarilly a big deal
He didn’t say that. He said it’s not the only thing. Defence counts too.
.- he is given 55% of his starts in the offensive zone which gives him his points, otherwise he could potentially be a 35pt player
He didn’t say Tavares would be a 35 pt guy without a 55% OZS. He did say that OZS can have a material effect on offensive stats, which is unquestionably true.
- he faces sheltered minutes
This was with reference to his OZS, not qualcop; again, true.
if he builds a team right now he wouldnt take tavares, he would take those 25 other players first (little, vlasic)
This is misleading. He said he wasn’t accounting for upside, just current ability. Obviously a GM building a team strongly considers upside.
- PDO is the most valuable advanced stat
I’m not sure those are his exact words, but PDO is incredibly valuable for assessing counting stats over a small sample size. Greeberg knows damn well that context is everything and you need to consider all relevant information, of which PDO is just one.
Greenberg is a really smart guy and you should all follow him on Twitter. @ngreenberg
"[Phil Kessel]'s as streaky as a flipped coin" - Shift
by The '67 Sound on Jan 26, 2012 1:07 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I respect you 67, but let me ask you.
For this season only would you take Little/Vlasic/Perron or Tavares?
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I’d have to take a closer look. I’d probably also want some input from scouts.
I just object to the “Tavares is soooo much better, Greenberg’s an idiot!” talk. He’s a thoughtful guy and he has intelligent explanations for his choice. And Tavares (and Toews, and the Sedins) DOES get overrated because he’s put in the Ozone so much.
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by The '67 Sound on Jan 26, 2012 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
Such a lawyer-esque answer. You’re awesome
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by The '67 Sound on Jan 26, 2012 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
My only thought is why that necessarily devalues a player’s contributions.
Is it more valuable to have an all-around player with lower production or have two players one used in a defensive role, one used in an offensive one.
Would you rather have The Sedins and Malholtra or Ryan Kesler?
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 26, 2012 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
That’s a fantastic question. My gut is Kesler but I’d need to examine it a lot more.
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by The '67 Sound on Jan 26, 2012 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
Mine does too, but players like him might be too rare.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 26, 2012 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
I think Sedins and Kesler. Or Toews/Kane and Bolland. etc.
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by Draglikepull on Jan 26, 2012 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
No, you can’t have both.
So let’s say Kessel and Malholtra or Grabovski.
I mean obviously you’d ideally like to have both, but for arguments sake, you can either have a guy like Tavares and a guy who takes all the tough minutes or you can have a guy like Kesler, or Bergeron.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 26, 2012 2:35 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry, I meant Sedins and Malhotra. I think as teams see how effective Chicago and Vancouver have been at sheltering their star players we’re going to see that strategy adopted by a lot of teams.
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by Draglikepull on Jan 26, 2012 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
It depends on what you’re doing with the other roster spot
I think the better question is would you rather have one top end Point producer and one defensive specialist, or two all around guys,
so would you rather have a Sedin and Malholtra, or two Keslers
Nah see that’s not really the same thing because obviously you’d take the two Keslers as one wouldn’t need to do the heavy lifting.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 26, 2012 2:41 PM EST up reply actions
So you’re saying would you rather have one 100pt player and one 30pt player (who lines up against the tough guys) or would you rather have one 65pt player who lines up against the tough guys?
I think it depends on what’s happening with the extra roster spot that the Kesler player frees up,
but I would prefer a kesler/berergon on my team
the casual hockey fan would take the sedin though
Yeah that’s the question and I’m inclined to agree, which is why I will cry if Grabbo leaves.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 26, 2012 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
But when it comes to the greenberg thing, I don’t think Little classifies as one of those players, not do I think Tavares is helpless defensively
watching the other night he was pretty good at puck possession, and he also played on the PK.
That’s why I think greenberg and those type of people need towatch the games, not just the boxscores, although I like stats myself
Yeah, I agree, but I get what he means.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 26, 2012 3:04 PM EST up reply actions
I’d agree with that as well. Casual fans will see the Sedins and think “ooh, shiny points” but the Sedins face pretty easy competition. Kesler is the workhorse in Vancouver.
I’d also throw Bergeron and Toews in there.
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by Chris Stoikoff on Jan 26, 2012 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
Dave Bolland:
Corsi Rel QComp – 1.479
Zone Start – 34.5%
Jonathan Toews:
Corsi Rel QComp – 1.294
Zone Start – 62.5%
Is Toews really the workhorse?
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by Draglikepull on Jan 26, 2012 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
not totally sold on the zone start thing as a real qualifier of 2 way ability, especially with guys like Toews who are the teams best offensive players, of course he is going to get all the OZone starts because he scores goals real well, and be on all the power plays etc, and most of the time your team is looking to score goals so you want to rest those guys on Dzone starts,
if they have a low ice time (say for a guy like Toews, sub 15 mins) and they are getting high Ozone starts, that probably means they are being sheltered, same for Dzone, if they have a higher percentage of DZone starts, but lower ice time, its probably because they are not too great offensively, but are defensive specialists
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 26, 2012 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
Low zone starts don’t mean that you’re bad at defence, it just means that you’re not being given the toughest defensive assignments. I think the data shows that the Bolland line is the one that gets asked to get the job done defensively, not the Toews line.
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by Draglikepull on Jan 26, 2012 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, i should have edited that better, it kinda turned into a jumbled mess
all I meant was that, relative to ice time given, you can’t really judge who is, and who is not, a work horse based on zone starts
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 26, 2012 4:16 PM EST up reply actions
You want a workhorse? Check out David Backes:
Corsi Rel QComp – 1.332
Zone Start – 48.0%
Corsi Rel – +9.5
Backes deserves way more credit than he gets.
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by Draglikepull on Jan 26, 2012 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
"[Phil Kessel]'s as streaky as a flipped coin" - Shift
by The '67 Sound on Jan 26, 2012 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
Huh. Maybe I should try it. What’s the benefit though? I’m looking here and most of these comments are way beyond 140 characters.
That's "Da-ooo". I killed a turkey once, with a shovel.
Broader topics of discussion and you can effectively pick whose comments you see.
"[Phil Kessel]'s as streaky as a flipped coin" - Shift
by The '67 Sound on Jan 26, 2012 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
Ha, that just occurred to me - you only listen to / see who you want.
I actually tried signing up while on vacation last week but the site was ‘overwhelmed’ and wouldn’t take me. I thought it was a sign.
That's "Da-ooo". I killed a turkey once, with a shovel.
That was likely Steve Burtch’s fault.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 26, 2012 1:21 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Actually, all of those things he did say.
Whats the difference between calling something a big deal and saying its the only thing? they mean the same
They were talking about Brian Little having 35pt seasons and he said that with the zone starts changed, tavares could have the exact same thing.
I said “if he builds a team right now” thats what he said about upside.
not sure why you’re taking swords against me, im just forwarding his words,
im sure he’s smart but i dont agree with him in the least
Well I think we listened to a different podcast because your summary is a parody of Greenberg’s thoughtful comments.
"[Phil Kessel]'s as streaky as a flipped coin" - Shift
by The '67 Sound on Jan 26, 2012 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
I hope this is not serious. I’m not going to write a fucking transcript, but I didn’t lie at all. I have no agenda against him.
Consider it feedback: you probably cut out too many caveats to keep the synopsis true to the message.
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And here’s an alternate answer to daoust’s question. Bye!
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by The '67 Sound on Jan 26, 2012 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
He epitomizes why people don't like advanced stats or the people who use them
Don’t use advance stats to ignore reality. Ozone starts don’t dismiss points. Its inane
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i think today is the day
i pass the 10,000 comment mark.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 26, 2012 8:50 AM EST reply actions
I’ll refer to your signature for my response.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 26, 2012 8:51 AM EST up reply actions
of course you would dismiss it. mr. 1951.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 26, 2012 8:59 AM EST up reply actions
Whoa, I have that many? I thought I was hovering somewhere in the 500 neighborhood. 1951 is pretty sly.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 26, 2012 9:28 AM EST up reply actions
I looked, I am somehow almost at 8500.
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wow I didnt even know there was a count. Turns out I have 5000+, all without ever putting a profile image. One of these days I’ll do that….
by Goosemonster on Jan 26, 2012 10:08 AM EST up reply actions
yeah I think I put a picture up once I hit 5000. I still dont think of myself as having one
by Ben Schnell on Jan 26, 2012 10:18 AM EST up reply actions
Holy shit I have 5800+? never thought it’d be that high
by WizardofNaz on Jan 26, 2012 10:57 AM EST up reply actions
I almost have 1200, wow.
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wow, even with them split between BBB…
i know Jared is over 100k
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yep clicked on the wrong name.
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nope got the wrong blog. Pensburgh, not BBB.
they’re both birds, i was close.
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28,000. Jesus Christ Leafer that’s insane.
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yeah..skinny’s only at 30k
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LIKE THIS!!
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Skinnyfish: Quality > Quantity
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I have the highest recs/comment ratio of those writers here.
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by SkinnyFish on Jan 26, 2012 1:41 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That’s because you get the most Rec-friendly zone starts
OPERATION TANK IS A GO. It’s the only explanation for Mike Weber. He’s on a secret mission.
by Ubiquitous on Jan 26, 2012 1:42 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You’re damn right I do!
Rec this is you love puppies!
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by SkinnyFish on Jan 26, 2012 1:49 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
if*
whatever
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by SkinnyFish on Jan 26, 2012 1:49 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
rec this if you hate people pandering for recs!
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by Bower Power on Jan 26, 2012 1:51 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
rec This if you hate people who hate people who pander for rec’s
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by LeafFan1989 on Jan 26, 2012 1:52 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I LIKE SOUP
If you look up "Loyalty" in the dictionary you'll see a picture of a Leafs fan wearing a Todd Gill jeresy looking like he just got punched in the stomach
TOO MUCH MAN
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Fuck The Habs.
Every now and then when I feel the need for some Recs, I just pump up this title. It gives me enough to get me through the day. My needs are limited.
And also… Fuck The Sens.
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by not norm ullman on Jan 26, 2012 1:50 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Judging by her post counts she’s a pens fan who happens to dabble in the Leafs. (j/k)
(Quick Leafer make 100 more random comments on PPP to prove your loyalty!)
OPERATION TANK IS A GO. It’s the only explanation for Mike Weber. He’s on a secret mission.
Quiet FLYERS fanboy. Shouldn’t you be lobbying for Scott Hartnell to not be picked last or something?
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Hey. Cut that out. We’re all Leaf fans here. Especially Ubiquitous.
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LOUD COMMENT!
At least it's not Lebda.
by Nifty Mittens on Jan 26, 2012 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
sarcastic comment
At least it's not Lebda.
by Nifty Mittens on Jan 26, 2012 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
Halley's comment
The plural of "anecdote" is not "data".
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by Draglikepull on Jan 26, 2012 2:02 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
about to be whoosed comment
At least it's not Lebda.
by Nifty Mittens on Jan 26, 2012 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
Rec’d comment
99% of player salaries are payed out to only 1% of players. #OccupyNHL
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I’m nowhere near Jared but 40k is probably still considered ridiculous
Imagine if I spent that time actually working… i’d probably run this company right now
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 26, 2012 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
Holy crap that’s a lot
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I cracked 10000 a few months ago, haven’t been around too much since though
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by Chris Stoikoff on Jan 26, 2012 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
would have thought you had more by now.
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by blindfolded tank driver on Jan 26, 2012 8:53 AM EST up reply actions
Speaking of lots of comments…whatever happened to Steve Burtch? Haven’t seen him around in a while here.
"You said you didn't give a f#%k about hockey. And I never saw someone say that before..."
"Storm coming? Hatchet coming!"
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by blindfolded tank driver on Jan 26, 2012 8:55 AM EST up reply actions
And he hasn’t broke it yet? Wow.
"You said you didn't give a f#%k about hockey. And I never saw someone say that before..."
"Storm coming? Hatchet coming!"
I had to unfollow him because I couldn’t handle the massive amount of tweets anymore.
by Tickle Me Aulie on Jan 26, 2012 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
every time chemmy tweets something about his dog I almost unfollow him.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 26, 2012 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
Whats wrong with Wendel? He’s a hilariously dumb dog
by WizardofNaz on Jan 26, 2012 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
my dog is awesome, one time he ate a bug, then he sneezed
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 26, 2012 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
when I was a kid, we found a rabbit in the fire dept parking lot, brought it home and my dog adopted it as his puppy. he would bath it and everything.
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I miss my dog :( we had to put her down after 14 years at the end of November.
She had an irrational hatred of rabbits. She would lose her shit if she saw a rabbit in the yard.
by WizardofNaz on Jan 26, 2012 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
guess where I spent my new years eve last year?
In an emergency animal hospital. Our 8 year old lab had got into the garbage a few days before. The butcher paper, string and tooth pics she ate had plugged her up.
My wife and kids said we have to save her.
$2700 later….
I hate that fucking dog.
by ChrisFromParadise on Jan 26, 2012 2:09 PM EST up reply actions
My kid sister and my grandmother were walking somewhere when they found a hurt kitten. Like, got mauled by an animal but somehow hadn’t died yet type of hurt. My sister begged and pleaded to do something. My grandmother took the kitten to the vet, spent about $800 and it died a few days later.
That might explain why my sister only got a card for her birthday that year.
lol
i once found a kitten in a dumpster behind my work. pulled it out and saved it.
HERO.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 26, 2012 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
Sometimes, going up the stairs ahead of me, my dog will slow down a bit, then fart, leaving me in the horrendous fartwake. Gotta love his moxie, though.
"These balloons aren't going to stay filled till New Year's!"
"Those aren't for New Year's... those are my everyday balloons."
by Isosceles Kramer on Jan 26, 2012 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
I love when dogs fart, then look at you as if they’re trying to blame you for it.
by Nigel Cadbury on Jan 26, 2012 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
Mine always gave me the “deal with it” face
by WizardofNaz on Jan 26, 2012 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, you’re probably correct.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 26, 2012 9:02 AM EST up reply actions
LOOK WHO DECIDED TO SHOW UP
HOW ARE THE PENS DOING
by Ben Schnell on Jan 26, 2012 9:11 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
WHY ARE WE SHOUTING?
ALSO WHO’S GRONK?
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YES. ALSO I THINK LEAFER INVENTED CAPS LOCK BECAUSE SHE USES IT SO EXCESSIVELY ON TWITTER.
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WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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AND THIS
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by MLS on Jan 26, 2012 1:39 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
CAPS LOCK BIG FONT GIF PARTY!
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BIGGER FONT AND CAPS
At least it's not Lebda.
by Nifty Mittens on Jan 26, 2012 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
How’s about we all play nice? Would that really be so difficult? OH NOES LEAFER87 LIKES SIDNEY CROSBY, WHAT A TRAITOR! Save it. I know you’re just “joking”, but that joke is old and stale. Just drop it.
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Look, I’m just as guilty as Ernest P. Warhol when it comes to not know when to quit, but seriously it’s time to quit. No more ONE TEAM, no more Burtch’d, no more Italian’s fall down in soccer because they are crying babies and had no right whatsoever to win in 2006 ZIDANE4LIFE!!!!
We’re Leafs fans dammit and I’m tired of seeing us turn on our own. The entire hockey world already hates us for being who we are, no need for us to hate on each other.
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by SkinnyFish on Jan 26, 2012 10:31 AM EST up reply actions 10 recs
I understand,
as you said, you realize Im just joking, I would never intend any meanness to leafer
but yeah, its zipped
by Ben Schnell on Jan 26, 2012 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
does this mean we can’t refer to divers in hockey as soccer players? or is it jsut to stop specifying Italians ( which is understandable)?
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Ernest P. Warhol?
Hey Vern, in the future, everyone will be famous for five minutes, knowwutImean? [camera shakes head] Ten minutes? Fifteen?
Well done
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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Does this mean no more Lebda abuse?
That cannot be.
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by not norm ullman on Jan 26, 2012 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
Man, I gotta find a new place on the internet to be a dick? Damnit
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 26, 2012 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
I can’t be a dick to newbs?
I dunno if I like the new skinny anymore
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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Shit, my comment frequency is going to go way down… I never bring meaningful things to the conversation I’m good for dick jokes and insults only :(
by WizardofNaz on Jan 26, 2012 11:00 AM EST up reply actions
Can we still call Ubiquitous a Flyers fan? Now that I say that, it does seem kind of mean. GO FLYERS!
I've been looking at the sky
by Back In Black on Jan 26, 2012 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
He isn’t a leaf fan, so yes.
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit drinking
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 26, 2012 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit smoking
Finally got twitter...@mapleleafmjt
by Chi-town leafs on Jan 26, 2012 11:06 AM EST up reply actions
Looks like I picked the wrong week to stop stalking that girl
/doingitwrong
by WizardofNaz on Jan 26, 2012 11:14 AM EST up reply actions
looks like I picked the wrong week to quit doing anphedamines
by Nigel Cadbury on Jan 26, 2012 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
Looks like I picked the wrong week to get out of jail.
by Tickle Me Aulie on Jan 26, 2012 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
Looks like I picked the wrong week to stop eating poprocks… we are starting 2 digit addition in class this week
/6yearold’d
by WizardofNaz on Jan 26, 2012 12:10 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
GO LEAFS GO
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by Draglikepull on Jan 26, 2012 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
ha, exactly. i said something to this effect on here a couple of weeks ago – I only poke fun at those i like.
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pretty much my take anyways. If i don’t like you i’m not going to waste my time with you.
by Nigel Cadbury on Jan 26, 2012 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
well there are those ya, the trolls sometimes bring out the hate.
by Nigel Cadbury on Jan 26, 2012 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
Well said Skinny, it definitely needed to be put out there.
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i just realized
Neither Ovechkin nor Crosby will be at the ASG.
NBC must be losing their shit.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 26, 2012 9:15 AM EST reply actions
NBC is Ballard in this clip
"They build a statue, they knock it down and piss on it, and now they will be out there building it again."
by ThickSkinnedAlive on Jan 26, 2012 9:24 AM EST up reply actions 9 recs
Weird
What was that team in the blue jerseys? They don’t look like an actual team.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 26, 2012 9:32 AM EST up reply actions
Oh man, my very first oppportunity for a “whoosh” and I don’t even get to do it myself!! Why must my workload intefere with commenting on PPP?
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 26, 2012 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
Oh my god I burst out laughing in a lecture and everyone stopped and looked right at me. So worth it.
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Fuck Gord Miller
TSN jinx except this time it’s funny
"They build a statue, they knock it down and piss on it, and now they will be out there building it again."
by ThickSkinnedAlive on Jan 26, 2012 9:35 AM EST reply actions
OK
‘jinxes’ are total BS, but that was pretty funny.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 26, 2012 9:45 AM EST up reply actions
Hockey players are a nutty bunch like that, playoff beards, not touching the cup, wearing the same equipment from peewee etc
"They build a statue, they knock it down and piss on it, and now they will be out there building it again."
by ThickSkinnedAlive on Jan 26, 2012 10:19 AM EST up reply actions
goalies too. I’d say just about every one has a routine that they must do. Look at what Jonas does every game – tap left, tap right, tap his helmet twice. he does it quite often after the game as stopped, but before they drop the puck. Might just be checking equipment but I doubt its just that.
by Goosemonster on Jan 26, 2012 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
They are mental cues to keep you focused on where you are and what you are doing. It helps when you are doing repeatable actions (such as getting set). A lot of kickers do them as well.
Google James O’Connor or Johnny Wilkinson (both Rugby players) while they are kicking. They have quirks in the set up so they know they are doing the same thing each time.
by WizardofNaz on Jan 26, 2012 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
In baseball, batters. I had one, it drove me crazy. Took about 10 minutes between pitches. ;)
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by not norm ullman on Jan 26, 2012 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
In hockey I’ve never really had any weird quirky routine things. When I played baseball I definitely had a routine for each time I stepped up to the plate with tapping both sides of the play and both of my cleats with the bat.
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I had a few for hockey. Before each period and after each goal I’d back up into my net until my ass was up against the middle post. And I’d stay there until the puck dropped. Before each faceoff in my own zone I’d tap the post 3 times with whichever glove was on that side (left trapper right blocker). Then use my blocker hand to push the tip of the trapper back towards my hand to open up the pocket just a little bit more.
by WizardofNaz on Jan 26, 2012 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
you ptched against Nomar Garciaparra?
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by leafer1984 on Jan 26, 2012 11:15 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Did you watch the NHL 36 for Lidstrom last night? For one thing it was a good preview of how awesome 24/7 is going to be next year. The other thing being that Lidstrom is really ritualistic (goes to same restaurant, with Holmstrom, sits at the same table, orders the same food and drink before every game, takes the same route to the locker room, etc.)
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by Chi-town leafs on Jan 26, 2012 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
who airs NHL 36? NHL Network, NBC Sports?
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Both but i believe NBC sports gets them first.
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Can probably be found somewhere online, but I’d recommend it… it’s really interesting to see his routines
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by Chi-town leafs on Jan 26, 2012 10:27 AM EST up reply actions
I love it when the feeble minded get upset over stuff like this.
Pension Plan Puppets
I hope YouTube comes down to film this.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 26, 2012 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
A CALL TO ARMS!!!!
http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2012/1/26/2736324/PickPhilPhirst
http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2012/1/26/2736324/PickPhilPhirst
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#PickPhilPhirst #PPP
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by SkinnyFish on Jan 26, 2012 9:58 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Hard to disagree with this list
NHL All disappointment team
http://www.goldengoalsportsblog.com/2012/01/nhl-all-disappointment-team.html
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Speaking of disappointments
Guess who didn’t score last night?
Scott Gomez!
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More goals than Scott Gomez:
Colton Orr
Brett Lebda
by Goosemonster on Jan 26, 2012 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
They were really trying to get him one yesterday and the Red Wings were playing worse defense than we’ll see in the ASG
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Part of it may have been the upcoming break, but regardless, the Wings have to be hoping that either Weber or Suter becomes available or that Lidstrom just keeps playing, otherwise their screwed.
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by Chi-town leafs on Jan 26, 2012 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
Players with pancake related injuries should be exempt from these kind of lists.
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by HockeyAnalysis on Jan 26, 2012 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
I know from experience: really good pancakes can lead to back spasms. It’s been to eat slowly.
by Goosemonster on Jan 26, 2012 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
How can anyone be disappointed with Steve Mason at this point in time? Being disappointed infers that there was some sort of expectations placed upon him, and if you placed expectations of good play on Steve Mason then you are not very wise and/or Scott Howson.
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Exactly, it’d be like being disappointed that Leino isn’t a top line guy. I mean seriously, what did you expect from a career high 35 point guy?
by Goosemonster on Jan 26, 2012 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
I agree. Bryzgalov has to be the first team goalie. Second team goalie maybe Roloson. Not necessarily unexpected considering his age, but definitely a disappointment for the Lightning. If not Roloson, then maybe Hiller.
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by HockeyAnalysis on Jan 26, 2012 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
If you had high expectations on Roloson
You are as dumb as anyone who had high expectations for Mason. Look at his age.
Bryzgalov is shitting the bed, Anderson/Luongo/Hiller all started slowly and have been turning it around. Ward is having a subpar but not horrible year
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Agreed. I hope everyone knew here that Roloson wouldn’t be good.
I’m surprised I’m one of the few who thought that tampa wouldnt get near the playoffs
by Ben Schnell on Jan 26, 2012 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
Assuming the Habs are dumb enough to move him, what would you give up for Subban?
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 26, 2012 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
I dont know. They kid has LOADS of potential. LOADS of it. He needs a good coach to set him straight.
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Steve Mason is a good example of why I could never scout goalies. Watching him in the OHL, I would have thought he and Carey Price would have identical careers. Not so, as it turns out.
http://bluechipprospects.blogspot.com
I think Mason could still be good – I think goalies need a good system in front of them – look at Hitchcock and how Elliot and Halak play with his system vs. other coaches I wish that Hitchcock was the coach of the Leafs.
Maybe a few seasons in the AHL will regain his confidence. Or maybe he’ll go full Justin Pogge.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 26, 2012 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
I dunno if an AHL stint alone will fix the issues. I think he could do well on a defensive team ala New Jersey 2004/5. Limit the number of shots, from quality places, gobble up rebounds, you know a good team in front of him.
No team in the league is going to trust him to be on their NHL roster next year, unless they’re purposefully tanking.
AHL is probably his only shot.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 26, 2012 11:06 AM EST up reply actions
I would love Burke to sign him to a 2way contract if CBJ let him go… He’ll only be 24 so he’ll actually be a year older than Owuya, a year younger than Rynnas and 2 years younger than Scrivens. He’d be a high reward low risk guy if we signed him with the intention of giving him AHL time only and see where we go from there…
by WizardofNaz on Jan 26, 2012 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
Brett Lebda just got signed to play in the NHL by a team that doesn’t need any help in tanking. Anything is possible.
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And is playing 20+ minutes a night. lol CBJ
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 26, 2012 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
Ron Wilson has done a pretty good job with Phaneuf.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 26, 2012 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
A lot. And they would get a lot.
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by blindfolded tank driver on Jan 26, 2012 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
Do we have any French speaking coaches we could include in a package?
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by HockeyAnalysis on Jan 26, 2012 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
they could have Dupuis, i hear he’s a Habs fan.
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And Michel Komisareque.
I shot a moose once, in upstate New York.
by not norm ullman on Jan 26, 2012 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
Does this Michel Komisareque have either a bushy beard or moustache and wear glasses?
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by Chi-town leafs on Jan 26, 2012 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
And you know they’d love to get… Keith Olé.
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by not norm ullman on Jan 26, 2012 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
Edmonton blogs are considering whether the Oilers should trade their pick this year (likely top 5) for him.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 26, 2012 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
Depends how high it ends up being.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 26, 2012 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
I’ll be sad if MON gets more than 1 top 5 pick this year.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 26, 2012 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
For all the talk about wanting talent on a team regardless of who that player is, I draw a line in the sand with guys like Cooke, Subban, etc…
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Well you’d be very very wrong. Put Kadri and Subban on the ice at the same time: DRAW ALL THE PENALTIES
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 26, 2012 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
Plus, it’s that fucking smile he puts on when he gets a penalty or one called on the opposition. I hate that shit.
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Man when he got up grinning like an idiot after he turtled when one of the Bruins tried to fight him… that pissed me off so much
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by Chi-town leafs on Jan 26, 2012 11:01 AM EST up reply actions
You’d never notice it if he was wearing a Leafs sweater.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 26, 2012 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
I would
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Well we’d rationalize the hell out of it.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 26, 2012 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
basically this, everyone loves their team’s rats.
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by blindfolded tank driver on Jan 26, 2012 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
FOrbes said it best:
What do you call a rat wearing your teams colours?
An agitator
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I still call Steve Downie a rat.
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by Shield on Jan 26, 2012 11:07 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I would happily take him as a leaf
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 26, 2012 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
pretty much.
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by whyevenbother on Jan 26, 2012 11:06 AM EST up reply actions
Reminds me of someone...
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by JP Nikota on Jan 26, 2012 11:30 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Not quite the same
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Not so different, either.
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Not really. That is a picture of COlton ORr presumably after winnng a fight since it was against Ottawa smiling.
Subban has a shit eating grin after turtling or taking a penalty or losing a playoff series
How are those “not so different”?
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Who said it? “A rat on your own team is called an ‘agitator’?” daoust? mf37?
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An enforcer/fighter on your own team is an enforcer/fighter. I don’t think anyone calls Orr an agitator and probably not that many would call him a rat either. He’s pretty invisible when his gloves are on.
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A rat/agitator are different from enforcers.
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Colton Orr smiles after fights because Colton Orr is a god damned crazy person who loves fighting. He’s literally in a state of euphoria after he throws some knuckles. PK Subban smiles because he’s just been a little shit head and knows it. It’s like when you were kids and would tattle on a friend for no good reason and then smile about it.
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MOOOOMM, BART’S SMOKING
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 26, 2012 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
Why the Leafs Shouldn't Attempt to Acquire Jeff Carter
Lots is being made of Jeff Carter to the Leafs. Check out this article at TheHockeyGuys.net on why he isn’t the right guy for the Maple Leafs: http://thehockeyguys.net/why-jeff-carter-isnt-the-right-guy-for-the-maple-leafs/
One reason: his contract.
It’s absolute insanity. No way I want a 27 year old guy signed for 10 years on my team. None. Enjoy, Columbus.
by Goosemonster on Jan 26, 2012 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
I’ve been anti Carter since the summer. He is a good player and all, but I dont want him as a leaf
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If we’re going for a 27 year old Columbus player, tell CBJ to stop being a dick and trade Nash already. At least his contract eventually ends.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 26, 2012 11:01 AM EST up reply actions
Plus its rick fuckin nash
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Why so much love for Nash? How many games have you watched him play and not just the TSN highlights of the night? For a big guy, he’s kinda soft, not all that quick and has a heck of a contract. Do we really need/want this guy? I don’t see the OMG NASH!!!!1 craze that so many Leafs fans have with him.
"There's been four different Cup winners the last four years, and I got one of them (Anaheim) and it was a fighting team. We're playing it that way regardless." - B. Burke, Toronto Maple Leafs GM
Ya, what would we want with a guy who puts up on average 35 goals a year playing with those elite Columbus linemates.
Even with Columbus being THIS bad he’s still on pace for 29. 7 seasons of 30 or more goals.
Just an awful player.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 26, 2012 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
Not to mention big, fast. Oh and he’s a good PKer too and smart in his own zone.
Terrible!
by WizardofNaz on Jan 26, 2012 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
So…. you both are saying you’ve watched him play? I have and don’t see him successful if he was to be in Toronto and nothing, including his stats prove otherwise. I understand fans thinking he is really good and I’m not denying that but I wonder what all the drooling is about.
"There's been four different Cup winners the last four years, and I got one of them (Anaheim) and it was a fighting team. We're playing it that way regardless." - B. Burke, Toronto Maple Leafs GM
yes I’ve watched him play… hes a damn good player.
by WizardofNaz on Jan 26, 2012 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
From what I seen of him play, I’m not overly convinced he would fit into Toronto’s system or plans.
Its really a moot point since we will never get him anyway.
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how would he not fit into torontos system?
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 26, 2012 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
The contract is kind of ridiculous. And i don't like his injuries lately.
But man is he ever talented. But 10 more years, starting at the point where his production is likely at or past his peak production?
Nah.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 26, 2012 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
if it was 5, 6, MAYBE 7 years it might be acceptable. Really 7 is pushing it though, and i wouldnt give up what Columbus wants for him.
by Goosemonster on Jan 26, 2012 11:00 AM EST up reply actions
They want something similar to what they acquired for him apparently.
Ya…. no. What was the original Leafs offer, Kulemin+Kadri+1st? Good luck with that CBJ.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 26, 2012 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
bahhahaha. Fat chance they get that, although there are stupid GMs out there apparently.
by Goosemonster on Jan 26, 2012 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
Intersting, I didn’t realize his OHL numbers were not that impressive. I mean they were PPG, but the points he puts up in the NHL don’t match it at all.
by Goosemonster on Jan 26, 2012 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
OHL numbers dont always translate to the NHL, it goes both ways
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Actually, I think his OHL numbers match up fairly well to his NHL numbers. He’s had one NHL season with >66 points so not exactly elite offensive talent and he has always been more of a goal scorer than a playmaker (more goals than assists in NHL, about the same in OHL). The deal from the start made very little sense for the Blue Jackets because of this. They didn’t need Rick Nash lite.
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by HockeyAnalysis on Jan 26, 2012 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
I initially applauded their attempt to gain relavence instead of ruining their Top 5 draft picks year in year out.
Wow did that ever backfire.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 26, 2012 11:11 AM EST up reply actions
It was a trade made in desperation, which is never a good trade to make. It’s not that Carter is a bad player, just not the right fit and the price was steep.
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by HockeyAnalysis on Jan 26, 2012 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
IIRC most people at the time of the trade said Philly was dumb and that it was a horrible trade
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Pretty sure I was one of them.
Then again, they used that pick to get Couturier… godamnit. Who’d have known he’d fall that far.
Still not sure the Mike Richards trade was the best though, although hard to argue with their success this year.
I mean, Bryzgalov? C’mon Philly.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 26, 2012 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
hindsight really is 20/20 eh
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No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 26, 2012 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
The Mike Richards trade was… poor. Plus it got them Bryzgalov so that made it even worse.
OPERATION TANK IS A GO. It’s the only explanation for Mike Weber. He’s on a secret mission.
The horseshoe Phillly has up its ass, I wouldn’t be surprised at all if they find some way out of that contract /lookstotheislanders
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Yashin’s contract lost 2 mil in cap hit so they need another expensive contract to buy out.
OPERATION TANK IS A GO. It’s the only explanation for Mike Weber. He’s on a secret mission.
How could the great goalie tandem of DiPietro and Bryz possibly fail!
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it’s hilarious how bad tha DiPietro contract is. At the time it seemed stupid, now it seems gloriously, epicly stupid.
by Goosemonster on Jan 26, 2012 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
Gomez and DiPietro are the two names I look up when I am low. Perks me right up.
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at least they can afford to bury him in the minors. With DP< he can just play 2-3 games a season, break his arm and get paid millions to be on LTIR. He’ll never retire with a contract like that, nor will NYI send him to the AHL because their pockets are shallow as hell.
by Goosemonster on Jan 26, 2012 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
not immediately, they still have 3 more years to pay Yashin, plus there’s always Rick “My Bones are Jelly” Dipietro.
by Goosemonster on Jan 26, 2012 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
If they buyout DiPietro
there’s at least a 50% chance the entire team gets moved / contracted before the length of that buyout is fully paid out.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 26, 2012 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
I’d say over 50%. They have no rink starting 2015. Their current rink is the oldest in the NHL. They are salary floor team every year, with about 10,000-12,000 fans at each game -easily one of the lowest in the league.
by Goosemonster on Jan 26, 2012 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
I predicted Atlanta to be the first team to relocate, so i suppose i can add this:
I think that the Islanders will relocate, but they won’t be moving more than 50 miles.
OPERATION TANK IS A GO. It’s the only explanation for Mike Weber. He’s on a secret mission.
so basically they becomes the New York whatevers and move out of Long Island? Where else can they go within 50 miles?
by Goosemonster on Jan 26, 2012 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t see them moving any farther than Hartford and that’s a huge longshot.
No way Wang gives up 30 million dollars a year in TV money.
OPERATION TANK IS A GO. It’s the only explanation for Mike Weber. He’s on a secret mission.
he has to be losing money on the team even with that 30 million.
by Goosemonster on Jan 26, 2012 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
I actually think he’s in the black before tickets are even sold.
OPERATION TANK IS A GO. It’s the only explanation for Mike Weber. He’s on a secret mission.
unless the team has a lot of existing debt, which i don’t believe they do.
OPERATION TANK IS A GO. It’s the only explanation for Mike Weber. He’s on a secret mission.
what about the costs of operating the team + payroll (including LTIR)? I didnt think NYI made money.
by Goosemonster on Jan 26, 2012 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
Wang is a notorious cheapskate and runs the arena on a bare-bones budget so i don’t know how much overhead he even has.
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I wouldnt mind him being cheap if he got results a la Nashville. Look at their player development, it’s excellent. NYI? Not so much.
by Goosemonster on Jan 26, 2012 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
NYI sells literally everything not nailed down at the deadline each year for 2nd round or later picks
Perpetual youth is NOT the answer.
One of the reasons I’m against this semi-common “TRADE ANYONE OLDER THAN 27 BECAUSE I SAW A CHART THAT STARTS TO GO DOWN THEN”
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 26, 2012 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
There is literally no one here that loves charts more than me.
But I’ve used them so much I realize where they require context.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 26, 2012 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
If NHLcheapshot could make a chart about his love of charts/graphs it would just be an erect penis on an x-y plane.
by WizardofNaz on Jan 26, 2012 11:50 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Stupid formatting means I can’t post my reply here. See below.
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Wang would stay there longer but he knows the arena could fall apart (literally) at any minute and he’d be stuck with really expensive renovations.
Plus, if he can make money in LI, imagine how much he’d rake in from Brooklyn.
OPERATION TANK IS A GO. It’s the only explanation for Mike Weber. He’s on a secret mission.
Does he really get that much from selling local TV rights?
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It goes from 25-30 million for the next 7 years or so.
OPERATION TANK IS A GO. It’s the only explanation for Mike Weber. He’s on a secret mission.
That’s crazy, and also a good counter argument to those who think a second team in the GTA will hurt the Leafs/Sabres. Seriously, the Isles are the least successful on and off the ice in recent years of the three NY area teams and are still pulling in that kind of dough for TV rights.
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The Brooklyn Burglars
The Brooklyn Robbers
The Brooklyn Dealers
So many options..
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they would already have a team song!
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by Goosemonster on Jan 26, 2012 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
It was a horrible trade up until some moron let them get Couturier.
OPERATION TANK IS A GO. It’s the only explanation for Mike Weber. He’s on a secret mission.
I’ll be the first to admit I’m shocked at how well the trade has worked out for Philly. I thought they made a huge mistake.
That's "Da-ooo". I killed a turkey once, with a shovel.
Exactly.
Giroux has been a superhero and Jagr has still got it. Plus, cmon who figured Hartnell would go crazy scoring this year?
They continue to outscore their goaltending problems though… and that Pronger contract is going to be a real clusterfuck if they can’t amnesty-buyout his +35 deal this summer.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 26, 2012 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
Fun fact: You can’t buy out someone on LTIR.
OPERATION TANK IS A GO. It’s the only explanation for Mike Weber. He’s on a secret mission.
Even during the CBA period?
I always figured it was a magical eraser time where mistakes just disappear, money changes hands, clean slate the near year.
If it happens I fully expect Savard, Pronger, etc. to be removed from those rosters. Maybe I’m just making this up.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 26, 2012 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
Well, they’d have to add that an as exception in the CBA. I think it’s actually required by law (you can’t terminate employment due to work-related injury?) because its in the rules of all the major sports.
OPERATION TANK IS A GO. It’s the only explanation for Mike Weber. He’s on a secret mission.
Pff, laws.
Also, lol @
OPERATION TANK IS A GO
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 26, 2012 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
It takes serious effort to out-tank Edmonton, they’re definitely the elite. They have to designate a team saboteur for each game, but they can’t use the same guy too much or he’ll get sent to Europe. It’s a balancing act.
OPERATION TANK IS A GO. It’s the only explanation for Mike Weber. He’s on a secret mission.
we either got or nearly got in trouble for buying out Nolan as he was technically still injured. Went to arbitration and stuff.
by Nigel Cadbury on Jan 26, 2012 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
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by leafer1984 on Jan 26, 2012 11:23 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I said the Carer trade made sense. Dumped some salary,acquired a young player with upside and a top pick. It was the Richards trade that I thought was dumb.
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personally I think trading your captain is a fucking awful thing to do but thats just me.
by Goosemonster on Jan 26, 2012 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
Trading the captain got us Sundin…
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i guess. we got wendel back and sundin became captain….
by Goosemonster on Jan 26, 2012 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
Sundin was the first Captain who didn’t get traded by the Leafs in a long while.
by Nigel Cadbury on Jan 26, 2012 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
I still think it;s stupid. Want to trade him? Don’t keep him as your captain. A captain should be your centrepiece and your team leader. the core, if you will.
by Goosemonster on Jan 26, 2012 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
I doubt they will be able to get a similar return. Carter has always been known to be a little injury prone but this year is a bit excessive. Likely he will only become more so as he ages. That plus his contract is horrendous. The only way I think the Leafs should consider him as an option is if the price is low. Really low. Like Komi and a 7th low.
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I’d give them Komi for him, but they’ll probably just keep him for offers that ridiculously low.
by Goosemonster on Jan 26, 2012 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
I know they can get more, I was just saying from a Leafs perspective he isn’t worth trading Kadri and a 1st or something.
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oh yeah definitely not worth to us much given that albatross.
by Goosemonster on Jan 26, 2012 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t think Carter has been used well in Columbus. He’s got one fewer shot per game this season than last, and his 4+ s/gp is a big part of the reason why he was a 30+ goal scorer. I don’t think it was a bad move by Howson – how could he have expected Ottawa and Winnipeg to make those picks? Couturier was an ex-1st overall, to 4th overall, dropping down to 8th – pretty nuts.
I don’t think it was a bad trade, I think Arniel was using his personnel very, very poorly, partly due to the mentality that “first liners must be with first liners”, rather than distributing scoring options throughout the lineup (he did this more near the end of his tenure). I guess to put it another way: I think the wrong “fit” was more about lines than the team.
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by Bower Power on Jan 26, 2012 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
His contract is worth pausing over. Other than that he’s exactly what the Leafs need – a talented 2-way centre with great puck possession numbers.
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by Draglikepull on Jan 26, 2012 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
He is not perfect though
Even ignoring his injury problems of late, he would have the same problem with Kessel as he does with Nash. They’re both shooters.
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Kessel and Lupul are both shooters though… that seems to be working out okay.
But add a 3rd shooter on that line… who knows? Maybe it gets even more awesome? Tough to judge how chemistry works.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 26, 2012 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
They work out because Bozak isn’t a shooter – 1.5 S/G is quite low. Connolly sits at 1.49 S/G as well.
I think there are only so many shots to go around. I tried looking at what an effective cap for shots/game is, but it was a pain in the ass to pull line data for every team.
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by Bower Power on Jan 26, 2012 12:18 PM EST up reply actions
it was a pain in the ass to pull line data for every team.
I too would have immediately given up.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jan 26, 2012 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
Though as I think about it, that was using Dobber hockey, and leftwinglock’s would let you do it much faster. It’s just tough because you have to assume that a player’s shooting rate is the same no matter who his teammates are, yet you’re kinda trying to prove the opposite.
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by Bower Power on Jan 26, 2012 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
When things seem hard, I usually give up.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 26, 2012 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
Bozak is literally invisible on that line, it’s just “Get the puck to one of the wingers and get the hell out of the way”. If we had a guy at C who could both pass and shoot, yeah you might see the Kessel and Lupul’s numbers drop a little but the line would be so deadly as a whole.
I’d settle for a good possession/two way player who still gets the puck to Kessel and Lupul. We’re not likely to find a guy who can match Kessel’s shot.
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by Bower Power on Jan 26, 2012 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
You undervalue Bozak's contribution
He is the one who often gets the loose puck and gets it to Kessel and Lupul. As well he is the most defensively responsible and clears teh D zone well.
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Saying “Bozak is the most defensively responsible out of him, Lupul, and Kessel” is like saying “Mussolini is the most respectful of democracy out of him, Stalin, and Hitler.”
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by Draglikepull on Jan 26, 2012 2:20 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
This is a great analogy.
I think Bozak’s defense is sometimes put on a pedastal a bit here because of exactly this – Lupul and Kessel don’t play a ton of defense.
Oh sure Kessel will strip the puck from a pinching dman every once and a while and get a breakaway, but he isn’t exactly in shooting lanes or beating out the other teams’ forwards on the boards.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 26, 2012 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
I think Kessel is good at defence on the backcheck and bad at defence once the other team has possession in the offensive zone.
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by Draglikepull on Jan 26, 2012 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
Put Kulemin on a line with Kessel and Carter. Tell Kulemin you don’t care if he ever shoots the puck again as long as he forechecks hard and plays smart defence. Kessel’s defensive shortcomings could be covered up pretty well by putting him on a line w/ two guys like Carter and Kulie.
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by Draglikepull on Jan 26, 2012 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
Its more about what BP is talking about
SH%s will only be so high and the line can only take so many shots
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the line can only take so many shots
…. or can they?
Also, there is no rule he would have to play between Kessel & Lupul
This is all getting away from the point though – I too would not want a trade for Carter.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 26, 2012 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
Also, there is no rule he would have to play between Kessel & Lupul
I agree with that – scoring depth is important – but then we’re just talking about spending assets to replace Grabovski with a really long contract, one year younger version of Grabovski.
I really wanted to get in on Mike Richards. Jeff Carter was and is more “meh” to me.
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by Bower Power on Jan 26, 2012 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
McKegg Watch
He has almost scored as many goals in 9 games with London than he did in 30+ with the Otters:
9 – 10 – 6 – 16
And apparently he got in a fight last night.
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I’m happy he’s getting a chance to play with some talented players. I was hoping we’d get to see what he could do with some help.
Apparently Olden wasn’t enough.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jan 26, 2012 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
olden will have to hope next year Erie doesnt suck so badly, otherwise its not much help for him in terms of development.
by Goosemonster on Jan 26, 2012 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
Isn’t he 20 next year? I think he’ll be done in juniors unless he goes for an overage year.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jan 26, 2012 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
Yah I bet Burke keeps him in AHL at least for a while till either Olden’s rights are traded or Erie proves to be a top team. No way Burke makes Olden suffer tthrough that again
by WizardofNaz on Jan 26, 2012 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
Olden? Nope he has 1 more year elft..Erie should trade him before the draft for more picks.
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Are you sure?
Sondre Olden
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Born Aug 29 1992 — Oslo, Norway
Height 6.04 — Weight 176 — Shoots L
Pretty sure that makes him 20 by next season.
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=127802
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by nhlcheapshot on Jan 26, 2012 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
Hmm
Isn’t he 20 next year? I think he’ll be done in juniors unless he goes for an overage year.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jan 26, 2012 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
damn missed that part I saw the “has one year left” and the are you sure. I think we were arguing the same point :(
by WizardofNaz on Jan 26, 2012 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
Either way I'll be interested to see what the Marlies look like next year.
Will our NHL team still have enough depth to keep guys like Frattin down? Who gets let go? Oh well this will be covered extensively in the summer.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jan 26, 2012 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
Whats going to be interesting is who all gets contracts among the players who would reenter the draft in June,like Olden Carrick Nichols etc. Right now we have 31 contracts for 2012-13, 2 of them slide rules (Percy, Broll) so we have 29 realistically. 14 restricted free agents although I doubt Dale Mitchell and Greenop will get new deals. Also Mikus and/or Gysbers are question marks. As is do we keep both Scrivens and Rynnas moving forward. So lets say 11 of those 14 are reupped giving us 40 spots already used up. That means only 10 spots for all our UFA’s, all the kids who need contracts before Junes draft and any UFA’s we want to sign.
by WizardofNaz on Jan 26, 2012 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
nicholls/carrick/olden probably get signed. nicholls has been pretty good.
by Goosemonster on Jan 26, 2012 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
I’d guess there’s almost no way Olden plays with the Marlies next year. Not with McKegg, Ross, and Carrick likely graduating to the AHL.
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Again I maintain Nicholls may get a deal. We will be letting go of a few guys, I do believe.
by Goosemonster on Jan 26, 2012 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
Also whats to say Carrick or Nicholls aren’t the ones sent down for their overage season. Funny thing is they are all the same age so why does everyone assume its Olden getting sent down?
Because he is the youngest of the group of players from that draft class, has the least experience in North American hockey, and has 17 points this year. Where does any of that scream “AHL ready”?
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he also needs to adjust to the NA game, I’d say he stays in the OHL for another year.
by Goosemonster on Jan 26, 2012 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
Can you do any adjusting on an awful team? I think anyone would be hard pressed to make the argument that McKegg was developmentaly better off on Erie than London, for example.
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Oh It’s true, i think Burke will not want him kept there if Erie is that bad next year, but what can he do? He isn’t ready for the AHL, I guess he could play in the ECHL if they really wanted but that doesnt seem right either.
by Goosemonster on Jan 26, 2012 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
Just since I looked at it below, I think there’s a pretty good chance Olden is stuck in the OHL no matter what. If the Leafs are worried about development in Erie, they’ll probably need him to demand a trade.
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Considering how vocal Erie was about wanting to hold on to Olden, I think they expect him to be back, too.
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disclaimer: I don't follow the Marlies much, all done off HockeyDB and Capgeek
Marlies currently under contract who need re-signing:
G- Rynnas
G- Scrivens
D- Finger (lol)
D- Lashoff
D- Mikus
D- Gysbers
D- Holzer
F- Frattin
F- Mueller
F- D. Mitchell
F- Zigomanis
F- Dupuis
F- Greenop
F- Hamilton
Leafs Prospects who need to be signed, or else we lose their rights (3 years from the upcoming draft year, right? So everyone drafted in 2009?):
D- Barron Smith (hasn’t played this year, still has a great name)
D- Eric Knodel (6 pts in 23 games with UNH, will probably go UFA)
F- Jerry D’Amigo (signed)
F- Jamie Devane (signed, OHL)
D- Jesse Blacker (signed, on the AHL roster already)
F- Kenny Ryan (signed, was on the AHL roster, now in the ECHL)
F- Nazem Kadri (signed, NHL roster)
So you’ve got 7 forward slots coming up, 5 defense slots coming free.
At forward, let’s re-sign Zigomanis so no one tries to murder me. Frattin and Mueller as well, and we’ll assume they both start in the AHL. Down to 4 forward slots – 3 if Kenny Ryan comes back to the AHL. Devane would make it 2 slots. So you’ve got two slots going to McKegg, Olden, Rad Boss, Carrick, and Nicholls. My guess would be Ross and McKegg, and maybe Nicholls beats Kenny Ryan back down to the ECHL, or fills a slot left from Colborne coming up to the N.
On D, we re-sign Holzer and Mikus – we’ll count them as the A, even though MGMT seems wants Holzer in the show. Two slots left. Percy is already signed to an ELC, so he gets one of them. My guess is that the other slot goes to Granberg. Blacker being in the big clubs would likely be for Aulie.
Marlies roster, based on those setups (lines for simplicty, not for discussion):
Mueller-Zigomanis-Frattin
D’Amigo-McKegg-Ross
Carrick-Nicholls-Devane
Deschamps-Wilson-Scott?
Caruana-Orr
Blacker-Holzer
Aulie-Percy
Mikus-Granberg
Engel-Paris
Looking at those forwards again, I think there’s a good chance one of Carrick or Nicholls goes back too, actually.
As a reminder, there’s no roster size limit in the AHL (or it’s ridiculously high, I don’t remember), this is just if management wants to tread water on roster size while also minimizing the number of prospects doing overage years. Regardless, I think it’d be pretty tough for Olden to be in the AHL next year. I dunno.
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Holy shit long post
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by nhlcheapshot on Jan 26, 2012 3:04 PM EST up reply actions
Yep. But it’s more readable than a wall of text, and it’s got a title for when you’re finished.
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You own the rights to an NCAA player for 4 years. Knodel will not go UFA, but also doesn’t need to be brought into the AHL.
Draft rights actually last 2 years, so Olden’s class needs to be signed, I guess, (the unsigned of which would be Granberg, Ross, Carrick, and Nicholls) but of course, the slide rule is still an option, given age, so I don’t think it changes much.
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Also, the reason Knodel didn’t play in 10-11 was because he was the #7 d-man on UNH, and they didn’t have any injuries.
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meh, not all your picks are going to work out.
by Goosemonster on Jan 26, 2012 3:30 PM EST up reply actions
I wouldn’t label him a bust just yet. He was a freshman, and their youngest D by 7 months, that season.
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Would’ve been 20 in 2010-11, and since he was on the USHL the year before that… Actually, yeah, just looked it up, and this is listed as his sophomore year.
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weird, I thought freshmen were 18. I was 17 for the first bit of school.
by Goosemonster on Jan 26, 2012 3:43 PM EST up reply actions
Percy isn’t eligible for the AHL next season.
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f me, you’re right. I didn’t think I’d get through that whole post without screwing up. Welcome back one of Gysbers/lashoff then I guess.
Why did the Leafs sign Percy so quickly, then?
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good kid, get him some signing bonus money.
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his coif probably costs a lot in terms of upkeep.
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I don’t think drafted players are under any obligation to sign with the team that drafted them.
OPERATION TANK IS A GO. It’s the only explanation for Mike Weber. He’s on a secret mission.
Unless their name rhymes with Balexander Gadulov
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by nhlcheapshot on Jan 26, 2012 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
For me, from the 2010 draft class I want the following signed:
McKegg
Ross
Carrick
Nicholls
Granberg (possibly, he may need to play in the O or another NA league for a year, I dont know much about him)
From our RFAs:
Frattin
Holzer
Aulie
Scrivens
Franson (obviously)
Mueller
by Goosemonster on Jan 26, 2012 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
Olden would be an overager next year and was already AHL eligible. No way Burke sends him back to Erie if its still a hole of suck
by WizardofNaz on Jan 26, 2012 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
Some lunchtime reading
In my latest “Better Know I Bias” I explain why refs are likely to swallow their whistles during a tight game.
Read it here.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 26, 2012 11:18 AM EST reply actions
How Officiating Should Work
1. At the beginning of the game, call a chintzy penalty against both teams, just to let them know that they can’t get away with anything.
2. Don’t call anything chintzy for the rest of the game.
3. If someone attempts to hurt another player, if he stops a scoring chance, call the penalty. Hooking in the corner is neither.
4. If it’s OT, unless someone has just died, don’t call a penalty. Even here, it’s a judgement call.
So the rules in the rulebook are their for fun?
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Refs don’t do this, but they do set the pace early. It’s usually pretty clear how a game is going to reffed within the first 10 minutes. And it will obviously be different depending on who is play who…..teams with bad blood will get called on a lot of stuff early if the ref suspects future scrums and dirty plays.
by Goosemonster on Jan 26, 2012 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah exactly. There’s no exact formula for how you ref a game, it’s more of a natural judgment kind of thing that goes on internally.
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Some refs are really excellent at dictating how the game will be played. I especially like the games where they let the players play rough, but crack down on clear penalties or stupid things (cheap shots, etc.)
by Goosemonster on Jan 26, 2012 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
Isn’t that the way it currently works… by that I mean, that’s the very definition of inconstancy.
1. call weak penalties
2. don’t make calls that were calls in the 1st period
3. disregard anything unless is so obvious that if you don’t make the call it will mean your job
4. … kill the refs!
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This also proves that Fraser is full of shit. He saw it but was afraid to act and potentially make the wrong call or affect the outcome of the game. Even though his inaction was worse I’d venture to say he’d have been judged much more harshly if he called the high-stick. By Kings and Non-Leafs fans anyway.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 26, 2012 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
Got the idea from Lambert's Twitter. I'm appealing to the greatest troll I know
@JLupul please wear an obama mask on stage when picking tim thomas. also #PickPhilPhirst
by ShahofToronto on Jan 26, 2012 11:51 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
That’s pretty funny, but might cause more drama than it’s worth for Lupul.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jan 26, 2012 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah I highly doubt he would go that far. The other idea someone had was to have Kessel wear the mask while shooting on Thomas during the shootout competition
by ShahofToronto on Jan 26, 2012 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
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by Eric T. on Jan 26, 2012 11:57 AM EST reply actions 5 recs
Sean Fitzgerald’s first of three pieces on Burke’s talk last night, promoting Jason Farris’ book, Behind the Moves: NHL GMs Tell How Winners are Built
"They’re not about entertaining you. They’re about winning. And I said to Lou at a meeting once, I said: ‘You’d be happy to win a Stanley Cup in front of 5,000 people. I want to do it in front of a full building.’ He wasn’t too happy with me when I said that, but I did. I won it in front of a full building, and full buildings all year."
http://sports.nationalpost.com/2012/01/26/leafs-gm-brian-burke-on-lou-lamoriello-and-buttered-toast/
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by Bower Power on Jan 26, 2012 12:24 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Second installment:
‘what’s the worst trade you’ve made?’ And I would have to think hard about that, but I could tell you a couple real bad ones."
He paused for a beat.
"A second-round pick in Vancouver for Vadim Sharifijanov
RIP Former-and-forever Leaf Wade Belak
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I clicked on it and it basically said the player didn’t exist, and I thought, “Huh. That sounds about right. Bad trade, Burke.”
Well, he was originally a Devils’ first rounder..
The Roar of the Masses Could be Farts.
by Self Destructive Zones on Jan 26, 2012 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
Speaking of Devils first rounders....
They still have to forfeit theirs in one of the next 3 drafts. Oh and Brodeur is about 100 years old.
Makes me smile every time.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 26, 2012 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
Third installment:
http://sports.nationalpost.com/2012/01/26/brian-burke-on-being-ruthless-the-leafs-and-the-cba/
John Ferguson Jr. — and he gets criticized a lot, which is unfair, he’s a good man — but he made two brilliant decisions that we’re the beneficiary of. One was to move our farm team here, to have the Marlies here. The Marlies are actually having a great year, they’re drawing well, but it’s not a profit centre for us. The lease that we did to get into Ricoh (Coliseum) costs us millions a year. So it’s a loss leader. Where it helps us is recruiting."
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It’s interesting to learn of three specific cases where having the AHL affiliate in the same city looks to have been a difference-maker when it came to signing free agents. We know it would be in principle, but here’s the evidence.
I would think at the very least it wouldnt hurt. A player might need time in the AHL, and most will recognize that….so you could say “hey want to play in a tiny town for a year and then move to the big city if you make the team, and also travel back and forth” or you could say “just get a place here, both teams are here”.
by Goosemonster on Jan 26, 2012 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
Be easier than saying “Hey, come sign in Anaheim, but be warned we may yo-yo you between here and Syracuse, thousands of clicks away.”
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by FiftyMissionCap on Jan 26, 2012 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
Sound as though it was the MasterCard practice center, but he might have meant that about recruiting.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 26, 2012 4:15 PM EST up reply actions
Random fact of the day:
Over a 6 year period, Hasek had 5 seasons at or above .930 in the mid 1990s. That’s fucking insane.
Hasek was second in the KHL in shutouts last year, at age 46.
OPERATION TANK IS A GO. It’s the only explanation for Mike Weber. He’s on a secret mission.
I didn’t even know he was still playing. That’s crazy.
That's "Da-ooo". I killed a turkey once, with a shovel.
I don’t think he’s in the KHL this year but he’s probably still hanging around somewhere.
OPERATION TANK IS A GO. It’s the only explanation for Mike Weber. He’s on a secret mission.
Whenever I’m feeling old, I just remind myself that Wendel Clark scored his gold medal WJC clinching goal on Dominek Hasek. Then I feel young again
If you look up "Loyalty" in the dictionary you'll see a picture of a Leafs fan wearing a Todd Gill jeresy looking like he just got punched in the stomach
Unrelated
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by theninjagreg on Jan 26, 2012 1:11 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I actually saw someone poop themselves at the gym doing deadlifts so it wouldn’t shock me.
Well the one I saw was more of a shart… but it was still effing gross.Needless to say I stopped my workout that day and just went home. Couldn’t battle through
where’s your compete level? you should have full on shat yourself.
by JohnerstonRex on Jan 26, 2012 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
I personally didn’t do it, it was the guy next to me. He was one of those roidhead-esque lifters. Had 4 plates on either side for deadlifts like screaming on each rep. Then on one you just heard him let one rip and there was poopdripping down his leg… I couldn’t watch that and keep going 4 feet away. I’m not mentally strong enough for that.
hahahahaha. that’s disgusting. Sounds like he had it coming though.
by JohnerstonRex on Jan 26, 2012 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
Probably, I understand the heavy weights if you can lift them. However the screaming is unnecessary and actually hurts performance instead of helps. Yes the body has a tendency to almost seize up and prevent breathing, however you need to let that air out naturally forcing it out is apparently worse.
not to mention that the dude is in a public place, and nobody wants to sit around and listen to some asshole scream while they try to work out.
by JohnerstonRex on Jan 26, 2012 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t know about that. I’ve seen and done a lot of martial arts, and the loud ‘kiai’ really increases your power. By a lot. I’m sure there’s a diminishing returns on it, so that a 2x louder yell won’t give 2x the extra power of a regular yell, but I would never call it unnecessary.
Unless we are screaming for the sake of screaming. Even then, I don’t see how it would hurt performance.
If you’re not grunting a little bit when you’re lifting, you are not lifting heavy enough.
Obviously you can scream too much but if I’m lifting 300+ lbs I’m going to make some noise.
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by theninjagreg on Jan 26, 2012 3:47 PM EST up reply actions
I’ve seen full on shitting. It’s ridiculous.
Always, always take a pre-game/workout dump.
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I love pre-game dumps. Don’t know how they are different but they just get you pumped. And you feel 10 lbs lighter.
Come on Skinny. We GOTTA harsh on him for this kinda shit.
Seriously.
I shot a moose once, in upstate New York.
by not norm ullman on Jan 26, 2012 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
i watched a guy literally blow his colon out his ass during a squat
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 26, 2012 3:06 PM EST up reply actions
literally?
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 26, 2012 3:08 PM EST up reply actions
for realz?
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 26, 2012 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
so much blood, and screaming, and poo
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 26, 2012 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
pics or it didn’t happen
I shot a moose once, in upstate New York.
by not norm ullman on Jan 26, 2012 3:47 PM EST up reply actions
there’s a video out there of someone doing it at a competition. I’m thinking Olympics but may be wrong
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by elseldo on Jan 26, 2012 3:49 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
My best friend once shat himself after merely drinking a shaker cup full of Cell-Tech creatine. Just tipped it back, then let out what he thought was only a fart and shat in his shorts in the middle of his kitchen.
Oddly, I later ended up working at the company that made said product, and the coincidence didn’t click until after I’d been there at least a year.
I know I’m childish for laughing, but poop jokes/stories usually make me laugh.
by JohnerstonRex on Jan 26, 2012 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
he called the shit poop!
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 26, 2012 2:14 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
i love how he walks like his muscles are just bulging.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 26, 2012 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
I wonder if he’s wearing a bench shirt that keeps his arms locked out like that…
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by theninjagreg on Jan 26, 2012 3:48 PM EST up reply actions
On twitter, Lupul just referred to the car for last pick tonight as the Kesselmobile… That got a big laugh from me
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by BetterThanBester on Jan 26, 2012 1:11 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
I wish Ovi could have been given the Kesselmobile
99% of player salaries are payed out to only 1% of players. #OccupyNHL
I'm a Twitter twat.
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This is why I said Lupul would make a way better choice as a captain than Phaneuf.
The plural of "anecdote" is not "data".
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by Draglikepull on Jan 26, 2012 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
For the ASG, not on the Leafs.
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by Draglikepull on Jan 26, 2012 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
Lupul has to be in the Top 5 hockey players on twitter
Shit talk, good jokes, trolling Leaf rivals.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 26, 2012 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
WOW - The New York Times mentioned PPP
Many skeptics say that M.L.S.E. and its parent company are too corporate to run successful teams. While Ontario Teachers indeed has stakes in dozens of large companies, the Leafs made the playoffs regularly during the first 10 years after Ontario Teachers bought the team.
Still, the team’s ownership has inspired one blog, Pension Plan Puppets, and books like "Leafs AbomiNation."
Dude. The New York Times just referenced you in a story headlined with the word JUGGERNAUT.
You have to claim it.
PPP. The New York Times Calls It “The Juggernaut of Sports Blogs.”
Who cares if it’s not true?
I shot a moose once, in upstate New York.
by not norm ullman on Jan 26, 2012 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
It’s the “remove the first 13 games” of journalism!
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 26, 2012 2:03 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Oh god that’s fantastic, rec’d
99% of player salaries are payed out to only 1% of players. #OccupyNHL
I'm a Twitter twat.
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Wow, did they refer to the Capitals as a successful team?
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 26, 2012 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
That’s funny
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by Self Destructive Zones on Jan 26, 2012 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
"It’s a question you hear all the time, whether management is to blame," said Myles Robinson, who runs the blog Editor-in-Leaf. "But it’s also the fans’ fault for continuing to support the team."
If only, Robinson said, the Leafs were led by an owner like Ted Leonsis, who has used his wealth and enthusiasm to revive the Washington Capitals,
I’ve never read this “Editor-in-Leaf” blog… and based on this quote, I doubt I ever will! Was I dreaming or did MLSE not own the Leafs during the Quinn years?
god damned fans and their “supporting a team no matter what”. Why can’t they just be bandwagoners like REAL fans?
by Goosemonster on Jan 26, 2012 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
If I boycotted the Leafs, I’d have to stop drinking and pay attention in class.
I don’t think that’s gonna happen.
The Roar of the Masses Could be Farts.
by Self Destructive Zones on Jan 26, 2012 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
Ted Leonsis tweets about Fugazi. The NHL needs more owners who tweet about Fugazi.
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by Draglikepull on Jan 26, 2012 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
the WHOLE WORLD needs more people who know about Fugazi
by JohnerstonRex on Jan 26, 2012 2:10 PM EST up reply actions
word
The Roar of the Masses Could be Farts.
by Self Destructive Zones on Jan 26, 2012 2:23 PM EST up reply actions
I loved Fugazi up until Steady Diet. Then we kind of broke up.
That's "Da-ooo". I killed a turkey once, with a shovel.
I have, and will always enjoy me some Fugazi, though the Instrument soundtrack is pretty meh.
by JohnerstonRex on Jan 26, 2012 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
I saw them on that tour, was outrageous. There was a 6’6 guy pogoing through every song, every break…. basically non stop for an hour. After the fourth jump on my foot I kicked him in the ass so hard he ended up nearly in the pit.
The set they played was great. All the stuff after that is diminishing returns, but I’ll never listen to anything before Steady Diet again. Burnt out on that stuff at the time.
The Argument is possibly my favourite Fugazi album. It’s up there with Repeater.
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by Draglikepull on Jan 26, 2012 4:16 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I am a patient boy, I wait I wait I wait I wait, my time is water down the drain
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by theninjagreg on Jan 26, 2012 3:55 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Everybody’s moving,
Everybody’s moving,
Everybody’s moving, moving, moving, moving
Please don’t leave me to remain
In the waiting room
by JohnerstonRex on Jan 26, 2012 4:32 PM EST up reply actions
I like the Atom and his Package version http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXsq8CUjULs
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by theninjagreg on Jan 26, 2012 4:38 PM EST up reply actions
Things I have learned about PPP’s collective musical tastes:
Reference a Neutral Milk Hotel lyric and you will get 100 comments in response. Talk about Fugazi and 5 people will care.
The plural of "anecdote" is not "data".
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by Draglikepull on Jan 26, 2012 5:14 PM EST up reply actions
we are the kings of carrot flowers.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 26, 2012 5:17 PM EST up reply actions
also
Fugazi is most known from their work in the late 80s early 90s. I’m willing to wager a lot of PPPers weren’t even alive in the early 90s.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 26, 2012 5:18 PM EST up reply actions
I was too busy listening to Metallica, Slayer and Iron Maiden back then
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 26, 2012 5:19 PM EST up reply actions
thats no excuse. I was under 10 in the early 90’s, but I still found out about ’em. If I can do something, anyone can
by JohnerstonRex on Jan 26, 2012 5:20 PM EST up reply actions
But how old were you? It seems to me that people tend to focus on more ‘current’ music until their early-mid 20’s, then they start diving into older stuff. Led Zeppelin and that ilk are the obvious exception, or at least they were at my schools.
i’m still getting into lots of old music. The last two CDs I bought were Bo Diddley 1955-59 and Scott Walker 2.
That's "Da-ooo". I killed a turkey once, with a shovel.
I was like 16or 17 when I started getting into shit like Fugazi, Pixies, Sonic Youth, Pavement, etc.
The Roar of the Masses Could be Farts.
by Self Destructive Zones on Jan 26, 2012 5:29 PM EST up reply actions
and was probably like, 4 or 5 when something like Repeater or Slanted and Enchanted came out.
The Roar of the Masses Could be Farts.
by Self Destructive Zones on Jan 26, 2012 5:30 PM EST up reply actions
i wish i had. somehow i got hooked on post-Fugazi post-punk stuff (i.e., emo)
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 26, 2012 5:32 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah for whatever reason emo never did anything for me. The direction I went might have been partly due to the fact that I couldn’t stand the kids at my high school who were into that stuff (not because they listened to it, more of a personal thing).
The Roar of the Masses Could be Farts.
by Self Destructive Zones on Jan 26, 2012 5:33 PM EST up reply actions
emo has little to no melody. i can’t do it. i’m a sucker for melody.
That's "Da-ooo". I killed a turkey once, with a shovel.
Same here. Even though for some reason, there’s a Captain Beefheart CD on my shelf somewhere.
The Roar of the Masses Could be Farts.
by Self Destructive Zones on Jan 26, 2012 5:37 PM EST up reply actions
Depends what you mean by “emo”. I’ve heard Thursday described as emo, and they put out a couple of excellent albums.
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by Draglikepull on Jan 26, 2012 5:54 PM EST up reply actions
i was am insufferable during highschool
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 26, 2012 5:38 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, I can see that actually. if you’re into ‘indie’ type stuff, those are some of the big-hitters for sure to go and dive into their back catalog.
i’m actually quite envious of young(er) music fans these days. so much access to information, and so much access to the actual music. growing up in a small town with a shitty record store and no internet, you really had to dig to find stuff. so much stuff was ‘out of print’ it was ridiculous. now everything’s been re-issued and re-packaged, and if you want to find out about a band, you just type them into google and you have their entire history. some of the romance of music/record-collecting is gone, but I’d take more music to listen to over ‘romance’.
That's "Da-ooo". I killed a turkey once, with a shovel.
Yeah I’ve been lucky for sure. Mixture of access + good parenting (ie, parents who listened to good music)
The Roar of the Masses Could be Farts.
by Self Destructive Zones on Jan 26, 2012 5:37 PM EST up reply actions
I’m totally brainwashing my kids. they’ll inevitably go through a shitty top 40 pop phase, but i’m giving them a good foundation to fall back on.
My parents listened to crap mostly. My uncle introduced me to Depeche Mode, The Cure, The Smiths, etc when I was about 10 and that was it for me.
That's "Da-ooo". I killed a turkey once, with a shovel.
The big ones for me with my parents were The Clash and The Stone Roses. Laid down a nice foundation to work from.
The Roar of the Masses Could be Farts.
by Self Destructive Zones on Jan 26, 2012 5:57 PM EST up reply actions
I was in highschool around the time I started listening to Fugazi, Modest Mouse, Pavement, ect. I grew up listening to alot of 50/60/70’s rock, as that was what my dad was into. It wasn’t until Highschool when I started hearing about bands Like Fugazi
by JohnerstonRex on Jan 26, 2012 5:35 PM EST up reply actions
Well, I was, but being 5 and under at that age, I doubt my musical tastes went beyond, like, Raffi.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Jan 26, 2012 5:22 PM EST up reply actions
i’ll go ahead and say it. no matter how hard i try i can’t ‘get into’ Fugazi.
go ahead and shame me….
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 26, 2012 5:21 PM EST up reply actions
I only have the CD with “Waiting Room” on it. Great song.
by Nigel Cadbury on Jan 26, 2012 5:23 PM EST up reply actions
it is a great song. i can’t get into anything else. and i like 90% of bands that are ripping off Fugazi.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 26, 2012 5:25 PM EST up reply actions
Repeater is fantastic. As soon as the main guitar line came in on the first song, I was hooked.
The plural of "anecdote" is not "data".
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by Draglikepull on Jan 26, 2012 5:26 PM EST up reply actions
Ditto
The Roar of the Masses Could be Farts.
by Self Destructive Zones on Jan 26, 2012 5:27 PM EST up reply actions
It’s not for everyone, but I find there is a big change between, say, 13 songs/Repeater to Red Medicine/The argument
by JohnerstonRex on Jan 26, 2012 5:38 PM EST up reply actions
Neutral Milk Hotel’s singer is not very good.
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by theninjagreg on Jan 26, 2012 5:21 PM EST up reply actions
this is true. the music is pretty great though.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 26, 2012 5:22 PM EST up reply actions
I’ve only really heard their song about Anne Frank, that’s a good one.
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by theninjagreg on Jan 26, 2012 5:22 PM EST up reply actions
aren’t a lot of them about Anne Frank?
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 26, 2012 5:23 PM EST up reply actions
In The Aeroplane Over The Sea is more or less a concept album about Anne Frank. The last track from that album, “Two Headed Boy, Pt. 2” is just about the greatest song ever.
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by Draglikepull on Jan 26, 2012 5:28 PM EST up reply actions
low-fi indie folk band from late 90s early 00s.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 26, 2012 5:22 PM EST up reply actions
If that were real it would be hilarious.
by Goosemonster on Jan 26, 2012 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
I got to the 3rd paragraph before I was sure if it was a spoof or not hahaha
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 26, 2012 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
I think that’s intentional, so that it happens after the all-star draft when people would presumably wonder why he wasn’t there.
OPERATION TANK IS A GO. It’s the only explanation for Mike Weber. He’s on a secret mission.
My liver filed for a divorce, it wants the house and the car.
At least it's not Lebda.
by Nifty Mittens on Jan 26, 2012 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
oh it’s funny because his last name is like gardiner <img src=‘thatsthejoke.gif’>
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by theninjagreg on Jan 26, 2012 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
I think Chemmy should post people’s rec totals again, we can laugh at PPP.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 26, 2012 3:04 PM EST up reply actions
If I didn’t “win” that figure, I came pretty damn close
I’m a rec slut
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 26, 2012 3:10 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
rec’d
I shot a moose once, in upstate New York.
by not norm ullman on Jan 26, 2012 3:47 PM EST up reply actions
what’s a rec total? number received or number given?
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by elseldo on Jan 26, 2012 3:48 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
They know both.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 26, 2012 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
It’s kinda nice that you can’t see your rec total on SBN so you have less incentive to “karma whore” like on reddit
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by theninjagreg on Jan 26, 2012 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
i’ll rec that for you’re attitude.
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by elseldo on Jan 26, 2012 3:55 PM EST via Android app up reply actions 1 recs
I’ll rec that for your typo
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by theninjagreg on Jan 26, 2012 3:56 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, i’m not holding up my end of the agreement
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 26, 2012 3:08 PM EST up reply actions
i think i’ve only done 15. still need 70 more.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 26, 2012 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
69…
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 26, 2012 3:09 PM EST reply actions 5 recs
and fail.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 26, 2012 3:09 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You’d better believe I rec’d that.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 26, 2012 3:10 PM EST up reply actions
you called?
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 26, 2012 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
Hmmm today’s FTB has died an early death. Usually it quiets down around 4:30 not 3:30. Alas, no Leafs.
thank goodness I’m on the early bus home today.
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by elseldo on Jan 26, 2012 4:10 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
FLYERROB RIP
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by theninjagreg on Jan 26, 2012 4:10 PM EST up reply actions
I hope I don’t become Jared’s next hobby.
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by elseldo on Jan 26, 2012 4:15 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
nah, a troll will come along sooner than later and distract me
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 26, 2012 4:16 PM EST up reply actions
The trolls are scared easily, but they’ll soon be back, and in greater numbers.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Jan 26, 2012 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
Where did his fanpost go?
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 26, 2012 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
when you get banned, everything you wrote+ coments attached to it go bye bye
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 26, 2012 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
was wondering where it went as it was on the side bar today still. Did he just get banned?
by Nigel Cadbury on Jan 26, 2012 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
anywhere I can read as to why (e.g. his fanpost?). he just wasnt around for a while so its interesting he was just banned. I’m sure for a good reason, but entertainment is always nice.
by Goosemonster on Jan 26, 2012 4:38 PM EST up reply actions
OH SHIT.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 26, 2012 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
ya must have just happend, one of his posts is in a fanpost i’m reading now, just went into it less than 20 mins ago.
by Nigel Cadbury on Jan 26, 2012 4:23 PM EST up reply actions
wait
FLYERROB was banned?
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 26, 2012 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
Guess he shouldn’t have wrecked that train.
The Roar of the Masses Could be Farts.
by Self Destructive Zones on Jan 26, 2012 4:29 PM EST up reply actions
confused
I assume something happened in his fanpost?
OPERATION TANK IS A GO. It’s the only explanation for Mike Weber. He’s on a secret mission.
i didn’t even realize he had a fanpost until a few days ago, by which point it was almost a week old I think. i saw some normal back and forth there, but didn’t see anything ban-worthy.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 26, 2012 4:41 PM EST up reply actions
I didn’t read any of the comments in his fanpost because i knew it was a trap.
OPERATION TANK IS A GO. It’s the only explanation for Mike Weber. He’s on a secret mission.
Ackbar approves.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Jan 26, 2012 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
he made a 2nd fan post, and it….well it didn’t go well
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 26, 2012 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
neither actually.
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by elseldo on Jan 26, 2012 4:46 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
oh that’s interesting, I was going to go with option 2, as I dont remember him saying racist things (but I did tend to avoid comments with a lot of upper and lower case letter mixed together)
by Goosemonster on Jan 26, 2012 4:46 PM EST up reply actions
he’s made some derogatory commets about certain ethnic types. Especially middle easterns.
by Nigel Cadbury on Jan 26, 2012 5:35 PM EST up reply actions
What was it then?
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by FiftyMissionCap on Jan 26, 2012 4:46 PM EST up reply actions
nope, lets just go with it being poorly written, him being unable to take critisizm without calling it a personal attack and me being unable to stop attacking a soft target who kept asking for it and leave it at that
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 26, 2012 4:47 PM EST up reply actions
What are you, some kind of internet tough guy?
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by FiftyMissionCap on Jan 26, 2012 4:47 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Sounds like normal FLYERROB to me, I guess this was a step too far.
by Goosemonster on Jan 26, 2012 4:49 PM EST up reply actions
more of a culmination of a long standing problem than a sudden event
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 26, 2012 4:50 PM EST up reply actions
Oh yeah I can understand it. it’s just weird because he was gone for a long time, I almost forgot about him except for references to his username (meme’d, essentially)
by Goosemonster on Jan 26, 2012 4:51 PM EST up reply actions
nothing more than usual. I think it just built up too much.
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by elseldo on Jan 26, 2012 4:41 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
So, it wasn’t a big thing, but probably several little things?
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by FiftyMissionCap on Jan 26, 2012 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
now we must salt the earth
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 26, 2012 4:28 PM EST up reply actions
I want to scour sbnation blogs now for his next place to crash. he came here because BSH banned him, so……silversevensens?
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by elseldo on Jan 26, 2012 4:45 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Japers maybe? They have more commenters than us, I think.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Jan 26, 2012 4:47 PM EST up reply actions
Go Sens! Beat those LEAFS! I hope that they don’t get any points so the FLYERS some how fit in here!
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 26, 2012 4:48 PM EST up reply actions
yeah I got banned from ppp because I didn’t play by their rules.
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by elseldo on Jan 26, 2012 4:49 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Actually he came here when BSH was getting fed up with him. THey didn’t ban him until he was already here for a short while. Maybe a month? There was that Neuvirth vs Gagne episode…
About time that people finally realized how awesome Gunnar is...
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how about the hustle?
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 26, 2012 6:09 PM EST up reply actions
What happened? I was gone since 2 ish. What did he finally do to get banned?
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It wasn’t anything specific, just a culmination of everything that’s happened over the last little while.
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I’m surprised he lasted as long as he did.
by Tickle Me Aulie on Jan 26, 2012 6:14 PM EST up reply actions
we did get 700+ comments in today and there didn’t even have to be any arguments
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by elseldo on Jan 26, 2012 4:16 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
yes there did.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 26, 2012 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
Pommenville
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 26, 2012 4:22 PM EST up reply actions
Man, that’s not even close to be spelled correctly.
I think they take him out of respect for being a captain and older.
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be spelled correctly?
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 26, 2012 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
Video Clip from Burke’s talk last night.
Lots of good stuff.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 26, 2012 4:18 PM EST reply actions
Says the Leafs have two full time player development guy.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 26, 2012 4:18 PM EST up reply actions
Talks about building US Olympic Team.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 26, 2012 4:21 PM EST up reply actions
The stuff about building the US Olympic team is fascinating. Wonder how much he does that with the Leafs—figures out which roles need to be filled and gets the best available player for that role, rather than just picking up the best available player period.
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Holy shit, his part about Mueller is hilarious (~2:15).
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Why didn’t you take Scott Gomez? Why didn’t you take RJ Umberger?
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I’m going to call him Scott goalmez from now on
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by elseldo on Jan 26, 2012 4:48 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I prefer pizza
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 26, 2012 4:50 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, man. RJ Umberger. One of the top 20 NHL Americans.
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WTF Columbus.
June 20, 2008: Traded to Columbus by Philadelphia with Philadelphia’s 4th round choice (Drew Olson) in 2008 Entry Draft for Colorado’s 1st round choice (previously acquired, Philadelphia selected Luca Sbisa) in 2008 Entry Draft and Columbus’s 3rd round choice (Marc-Andre Bourdon) in 2008 Entry Draft, June 20, 2008.
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And Sbisa, while useless, was used to acquire Chris Pronger.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Jan 26, 2012 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
at the time, Sbisa was a pretty valuable D prospect
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 26, 2012 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
Good stuff, I’ve always realized that having the Marlies in Toronto was beneficial to the team for calling up guys on short notice etc, but the benefit it creates for signing guys worried about getting sent down/starting on the farm and living in the middle of nowhere is huge.
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Or even living anywhere else. Could you imagine being an AHL-NHL border player and having to uproot your life consistently every time you get called up? I don’t know how some of those guys do it, especially teams like Anaheim, LA, San Jose and Vancouver which all have AHL affiliates on the other side of the continent.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Jan 26, 2012 4:51 PM EST up reply actions
especially since your AHL salary is usually like 60-80,000. Not much for all the travel and demands of a professional player.
by Goosemonster on Jan 26, 2012 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
they get a per diem on road trips, but i don’t think its very much in the AHL.
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still better than a kick in the head, with an iron boot.
by Nigel Cadbury on Jan 26, 2012 4:56 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, it would be brutal. When I was growing up in Saint John, NB we had the Saint John Flames, farm team for Calgary. That’s a long haul. Same with the Baby Leafs in Saint John’s, NFLD.
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Almost every Canadian team had their farm team in the Atlantic back then. Oilers’ team was in Sydney, Habs’ team were in Fredericton. Once they realized just how arduous it was on travel, the Atlantic AHL market collapsed.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Jan 26, 2012 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
Yep. Good times for me as a kid but didn’t make a whole lot of sense.
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Playoff Push
via Mirtle
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/hockey/globe-on-hockey/the-nhls-playoff-push/article2316361/
Leafs need to go 19-4 to finish the year to get to 93 points. It’s going to be tough. Much better than Winnipeg’s chances, though. 21-10. Ouch.
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19-4? i think you mean 19-14.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 26, 2012 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
And that’s assuming no loser points. A more reasonable outlook would be something 18-12-3 or 17-12-4.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Jan 26, 2012 4:54 PM EST up reply actions
Haha yeah, sorry. 19-14.
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19-4 would be impossible.
19-14? Eh, I don’t like our odds but one can always dream. Finishing 9th would be progress, but it would suck.
by Goosemonster on Jan 26, 2012 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
don't listen to mirtle
we have a 70% chance of making the playoffs right now. the next nearest team is at 50%.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 26, 2012 4:54 PM EST up reply actions
Well I misread Mirtle a bit….we’re one game different from the remaining 3 teams above us:
6. Washington – 19-15-0
7. Florida – 19-15-0
8. New Jersey – 19-15-0
9. Toronto – 19-14-0
So basically, it’s really close.
by Goosemonster on Jan 26, 2012 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
except that one of Florirda/Washington HAS to make it which messes with the math a little.
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I hate the division leader gets top 3 crap. For exactly shit like this.
by Goosemonster on Jan 26, 2012 4:57 PM EST up reply actions
That’s alright, it also screws over their draft pick by 10 spots.
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I guess, but if neither team for some reason had enough points to make it, they shouldnt.
by Goosemonster on Jan 26, 2012 5:00 PM EST up reply actions
but that just assumes all games are equal. the sportsclub % accounts for both schedule and GF/GA.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 26, 2012 4:57 PM EST up reply actions
Interesting. Then the question might be, what record in February would put out changes up into the 90%, if possible.
by Goosemonster on Jan 26, 2012 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
I think if my math is correct, the Leafs basically need to win 4 out of 7 from here on out. Or get 8 of a possible 14 points, without giving up points to ottawa, florida, etc.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 26, 2012 5:04 PM EST up reply actions
Might need to do better since we seem to suck against florida and ottawa.
by Goosemonster on Jan 26, 2012 5:05 PM EST up reply actions
They should adopt the Flames 2003-04 approach where the team treated every stretch of games like a playoff series, where the goal was to win 4 of every 4-7 games.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Jan 26, 2012 5:06 PM EST up reply actions
I’d say the easiest way to think about it is this:
Toronto needs to be one game better than 1 of the following teams – WSH, FLA, NJD. And I think Ottawa will fall. Those are pretty good odds.
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by Draglikepull on Jan 26, 2012 5:25 PM EST up reply actions
19-14 is a 94-point pace. You don’t think they need to win at that rate to make it?
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by James Mirtle on Jan 26, 2012 6:07 PM EST up reply actions
LOL @ Columbus needing to go 30-3-0.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Jan 26, 2012 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
Columbus is an unstoppable colossus of failure.
OPERATION TANK IS A GO. It’s the only explanation for Mike Weber. He’s on a secret mission.
i kinda want to see the oilers hit 3 first over alls without winning the draft lotto, i mean they’d get 3 sweet players, but holy fuck what a terrible team
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 26, 2012 5:00 PM EST up reply actions
The thing is too, you really have to take one of the top two rates guys: both forwards. And they need defense and goaltending so badly.
by Goosemonster on Jan 26, 2012 5:01 PM EST up reply actions
I wonder….if EDM is in good position to draft #1 again, might they part with a young forward for a young defender….say a Schenn?
by Goosemonster on Jan 26, 2012 5:02 PM EST up reply actions
but then, you have Hall – RHN – Yakupov with Eberle riding shot gun, you pretty much get to score everyone off the face of the earth….maybe
but yeah, if i was them i would trade down with a team with a shitty pick, but not as shitty as yours who has d prospects, but no forward prospects
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 26, 2012 5:02 PM EST up reply actions
I might swap our 1st rounder and Schenn for theirs if they are going to draft #1 or #2. Possibly. Not that Burke would, as we need roster players. But if we managed to get one for another asset….Anyways, EDM wouldn’t do that as they really think they can draft their way to….I’m not sure where.
by Goosemonster on Jan 26, 2012 5:04 PM EST up reply actions
they’d want someone better than Schenn and a mid 1st for Yakupov
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 26, 2012 5:05 PM EST up reply actions
If they have the #1. I’d take a top #3 pick, come to think of it. Those guys are pretty ridiculous.
by Goosemonster on Jan 26, 2012 5:06 PM EST up reply actions
I dont know what else they’d want for it, but a Leaf fan can dream. We’ll never draft #1.
by Goosemonster on Jan 26, 2012 5:07 PM EST up reply actions
right, but it would take a prospect like Cam Fowler + the Leafs 1st and probably more to get a lotto pick this year from the oilers
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 26, 2012 5:08 PM EST up reply actions
Trade down. To trade from 1st overall to 3rd or fourth you can net some pretty awesome assets.
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they wont
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 26, 2012 6:09 PM EST up reply actions
I think it makes a lot of sense sometimes.
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oh it makes tones of sense for them to do it, especially if there is a team with multiple 1sts to trade for their pick
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 26, 2012 6:14 PM EST up reply actions
No. 1 draft picks can’t get you a minimum NHL average defense.
Seriously, that D is terrible. Like, Columbus terrible. There’s a reason they had to rely on .960 goaltending to win games.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Jan 26, 2012 5:01 PM EST up reply actions
They’re building for the future when all their draft picks will demand trades to escape the giant vortex of suck, and will need more draft picks to acquire talent.
Their GM is about to get a multi-year extension.
OPERATION TANK IS A GO. It’s the only explanation for Mike Weber. He’s on a secret mission.
That, or their ultimate game plan is to: (1) Win all their games 7-6; (2) Use their culmination of picks to trade for Tim Thomas and goaltend their way into the playoffs.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Jan 26, 2012 5:05 PM EST up reply actions
if anyone had the assets to pry Thomas away in the off-season it might be EDM, but they wouldnt give up their youth for a 37 year old goalie.
by Goosemonster on Jan 26, 2012 5:07 PM EST up reply actions
With Tambellini as a GM, you never know….
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by FiftyMissionCap on Jan 26, 2012 5:09 PM EST up reply actions
And for the other type of success, we have the tanking leaderboards
Tm | Anti-Points
CBJ 66
EDM 57
CAR 57
ANA 53
BUF 53
________
NYI 51
MTL 51
TBL 50
WPG 50
COL 48
OPERATION TANK IS A GO. It’s the only explanation for Mike Weber. He’s on a secret mission.
remember when Colorado started something like 5-0 on the road this season?
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 26, 2012 4:56 PM EST up reply actions
wait. you mixed up CBJ and COL me thinks.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 26, 2012 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
No, these are anti-points. You get no anti-points for winning.
OPERATION TANK IS A GO. It’s the only explanation for Mike Weber. He’s on a secret mission.
ahhhh. gotchya.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 26, 2012 5:04 PM EST up reply actions
Fail for Nail Watch
should be a go sometime soon.
I’m going with Columbus, but EDM could give them a run for their money.
by Goosemonster on Jan 26, 2012 4:59 PM EST up reply actions
Grabbo - did anyone see this article
Burke told the National Post on Wednesday that a recent attempt to negotiate a contract extension with Grabovski’s agent was unsuccessful. There is still time to try again. But with Grabovski likely looking for a considerable raise from his current US$2.9-million salary — and with the option of testing the market — it is fair to assume that Burke is listening to offers for the No. 2 centre.
http://sports.nationalpost.com/2012/01/26/michael-traikos-expect-leafs-to-make-a-deal/
"We’ve already had one session," Burke said. "We haven’t decided yet if we’re going to try again, or just wait to see if he moves at the deadline. I have kept players at the deadline before who were unrestricted — [defenceman] Ruslan Salei is an example — so I’m not committed to trading Grabovski if he doesn’t sign."
Noooooooooooo
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Interesting. Yesterday Bob McKenzie said he doesn’t think Burke would trade Grabovski unless he already had a replacement lined up. He said Grabbo is too important to the team and that Burke wouldn’t just dump him for a draft pick.
Also, I hate lines like “It seems inevitable [that the Leafs will make a trade], really.” Yes, of course it does. Because most of the teams in the league make a trade at some point in the season. Unless he has info about a specific trade, the statement is worthless.
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by Draglikepull on Jan 26, 2012 5:58 PM EST up reply actions
Bryan Burke is really good at convincing people he has one hand of cards that he is going to play
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 26, 2012 6:00 PM EST up reply actions
Well if this is Grabbo who is pining for too much money then fine whatever.
Sigh
Being a Leafs fan makes me bipolar.
Grabbo could get 5 million or maybe even more as a UFA this summer.
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I hope YouTube comes down to film this.
Worse case, he leaves the team as a free agent in the summer. That’s fine, I expect he will lead us to the stanley cup this spring.
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by theninjagreg on Jan 26, 2012 6:34 PM EST up reply actions
It wouldn’t surprise me if he was traded.
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I hope YouTube comes down to film this.
If Burke can’t get the big piece he wants before February 27th, he may sell off a few assets (Mac, Grabbo, Lombardi, Komi/Schenn) and try to get some younger pieces and/or cap space for a summer deal.
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I hope YouTube comes down to film this.
I’m doing some work on Part 2 of my examination of the Leafs PK, and even though I’ve got a lot of video left to go through, I think I already know the answer – fronting. I’m starting to cringe every time I see it. What a horrible strategy.
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Oh god, this is painful. I just watched a clip where the Leafs defence let two Ottawa Senators stand directly in front of Gustavsson with no one taking either of them. I was shocked when they scored moments later.
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by Draglikepull on Jan 26, 2012 6:10 PM EST up reply actions
It seems to me, and I could be wrong, that the Defense would be a lot more effective if they worried more about tying up their man in front rather than blocking shots. Personally, whilst playing defense, I find it to be a far more effective strategy, as you can get under the forwards skin a bit and throw them off their game.
Then again I’m not an NHL level defender.
by JohnerstonRex on Jan 26, 2012 6:15 PM EST up reply actions
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