Yeah, You Fix That Penalty Kill
by JP Nikota on Jan 3, 2012 7:13 AM EST
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Depending on what you decide to call it, there was a heated "debate" or "discussion" yesterday about just where defenders should be standing while killing a penalty. It's good that the Leafs are spending some time sorting out their problems on the PK, but as James Mirtle points out, this is something that probably should have been sorted out earlier.
"We’re doing some things on blocking shots and being in the proper lane," Wilson explained. "[We’re] discussing some of the techniques because at times we’re screening the goalie, we’re not blocking the shot. We’ve got to find a way to block the shot or get out of the way."
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Thank god we’re rid of Dupuis. Hopefully it means Brownie will be back soon. I think shaving off the moustache really weakened him, hence the injury, so I hope he grows one back.
Go to Leafs.com, He has some beauty handlebars again.
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by Joe Ferguson on Jan 3, 2012 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
From mirtle:
“At one point after practice, veteran defenceman Mike Komisarek could be heard just outside of the dressing room candidly advising one teammate to get on the same page rather than go his own way.”
What the eff? I suppose disagreement among coworkers is fairly common, but it’s unsettling to think that the PKers aren’t all on the same page. Like, there are guys out there who just flat out aren’t implementing the plan and are doing their own thing. Although it would explain a lot!
Personally, i think the strategy sucks because they’re too passive. It’s not just poorly executed, it’s entirely too dependent on allowing unimpeded shots even at the best of times.
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As SkinnyFish says below, I think it’s the opposite problem – getting in the way of too many shots. Neither of the PK goals in the last game happen if the defender just gets out of the way, takes a forward, and lets Reimer see the puck.
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yup, it seems like instead of choosing between blocking a shot and letting Reimer see the puck, we choose “neither” and either deflect it in, or try to block while simultaneously screening him.
What does Don Cherry say? If you aren’t blocking the shot get the heck out of the way? That and other ramblings.
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by theninjagreg on Jan 3, 2012 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
Well then at the very least they should use their fat asses to prevent any opposing player from getting anywhere close to getting a rebound
by Chi-town leafs on Jan 3, 2012 11:01 AM EST up reply actions
I never thought I’d say this but I’m looking forward to seeing Komisarek back in the lineup. At this point it can’t possibly hurt.
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by T is for Truculence on Jan 3, 2012 9:31 AM EST up reply actions
as am I. I think at the very least he’s a good veteran presence….he’s seen a lot more than the young guys on our team, and I think he can provide some leadership, especially in these kinds of situation (PK)
Everyone keep saying this, but Komisarek's numbers look awful
In truth, he gets tough zone starts, but he’s not the answer to our problems.
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This could be confirmation bias since he’s been hurt and therefore appearing better than he was since he hasn’t sucked lately, but did he not start poorly and then pick up his play right before he got hurt?
I seem to recall the general tone being “Komi wasn’t the worst Dman out there last night” after a string of games right before he went down…
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by fair_n_hite_451 on Jan 3, 2012 10:02 AM EST up reply actions
That’s saying something considering he went down while the Leafs were playing their best hockey
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by T is for Truculence on Jan 3, 2012 10:03 AM EST up reply actions
I can’t show the stats to justify it, but earlier this season I remember him actually earning a spot in the top 4, as opposed to being our 6/7 Dman. But regardless, we need a good shutdown defender at the trade deadline to help us out.
by Goosemonster on Jan 3, 2012 10:05 AM EST up reply actions
I think the difference is that Komisarek isn’t being outplayed by Schenn this year. Defensively, our right side looks like “Phaneuf” and then “oh god someone play well tonight.”
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Yeah, “Komi wasn’t the worst” was more of an indictment of Schenn than anything else.
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by Back In Black on Jan 3, 2012 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
Komisarek’s Fenwick numbers weren’t bad in the stretch of maybe 6-8 games before he went down, I believe, but in general I still think he’s prone to too many mistakes. He’s probably a better option on the PK than Gardiner, though.
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by Draglikepull on Jan 3, 2012 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
Komi chases the puck a bit and isn’t a good puck mover, but I don’t think he’s bad back there. The real question is: who sits?
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What does it mean when Lebda had the highest Corsi Rel last year?
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by theninjagreg on Jan 3, 2012 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
It means his ice time was extremely sheltered.
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by Back In Black on Jan 3, 2012 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
It means “okay Lebda you can’t possibly fuck this u….OH GOD WHAT ARE YOU DOING WHAT IS THIS I DON’T EVEN”
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by FiftyMissionCap on Jan 3, 2012 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
WE HAD A 2 MAN ADVANTAGE! WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK!
YOU SCORED ON YOUR OWN NET. THREE TIMES. YOU FRIENDLY HAT FUCKED US. now kindly gtfo. Thanks!
At least it's not Lebda.
by Nifty Mittens on Jan 3, 2012 2:33 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Can’t hurt; but then, it might not help.
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Can't hurt?
Don’t kid yourself. The addition of Komisarek to our blueline has all the potential in the world to hurt us.
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We’ve got to find a way to block the shot or get out of the way.
GET OUT OF THE GODDAMN WAY! GET EVERYBODY OUT OF THE GODDAMN WAY! YOU SEE A PERSON ON THE OTHER TEAM TRYING TO SCREEN, YOU PUSH HIM OUT OF THE WAY OR ONTO HIS ASS! GET OUT OF THE WAY YOU DAMNED IDIOTS WHO JUST STAND THERE ALL CONFUSED LIKE A FREAKING FLAMINGO! IF YOU’RE GOING TO BLOCK A SHOT, GO DOWN AND LEAD WITH YOUR SHIN PADS. IF YOU’RE NOT GOING TO DO THAT, GET EVERYBODY OUT OF THE FREAKING WAY AND LET THE GOALIE STOP THE PUCK! WHY IS THIS SO DAMN HARD TO UNDERSTAND?!?!?
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by SkinnyFish on Jan 3, 2012 9:07 AM EST reply actions 22 recs
i signed in purely to advocate and rec this comment.
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by jono974 on Jan 3, 2012 9:24 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
man, the amount of times I’ve been hacked at by my own goalie for screening….Reimer should start doing that. You can’t get a penalty for taking out your own player, right?
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In rugby, when I got in my teammate’s channel by accident, he picked me up by the back of the shirt and literally moved me out of the way. Reimer should try that.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Jan 3, 2012 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
a nice visual of PK shots and goals against (or where leaf defenders give up scoring chances)
SuperNinja’s nice shot finder for the PK (labelled PP) of goals and shots allowd on
Reimer
Monster
Scrivens
Compared to top PK teams, the leafs give up more goals from the top of the points.
by jeffgm on Jan 3, 2012 10:10 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
yesterday people were discussing how silly it was to let a fan favourite player (Brent), who sacrifices everything to play his role, for a guy who as it turns out is less than useless (Dupuis)
That sentence is just a wee bit sensationalist don’t you think?
In summing up, it's the Constitution, it's Mabo, it's justice, it's law, it's the vibe and... No, that's it, it's the vibe. I rest my case
It may be, but gosh, I miss that guy.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 3, 2012 9:59 AM EST up reply actions
I do too… that and healthy mike brown
by Chi-town leafs on Jan 3, 2012 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
perhaps, but I appear to have ruined SB nation again and my comments are showing us as blank.
by Goosemonster on Jan 3, 2012 10:06 AM EST up reply actions
also, which one, the one about Dupuis being not useful, or Brent sacrificing? I’d say the latter was, but regardless I just meant it to mean he was willing to do everything it took to: a) make the team and b) stay on the team. Including blocking like 3 slap shots in a row in one PK.
by Goosemonster on Jan 3, 2012 10:20 AM EST up reply actions
I meant more the Brent part. I realise Dupuis has been pretty useless, but even so I would think he did everything in his power to stay on the team in terms of effort, but he just sucks so it didn’t appear that way
In summing up, it's the Constitution, it's Mabo, it's justice, it's law, it's the vibe and... No, that's it, it's the vibe. I rest my case
Tie Domi stayed employed an extra 5 years on the back of that sentiment
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by T is for Truculence on Jan 3, 2012 10:04 AM EST up reply actions
If this play doesn’t happen, no one gives a shit about Tim Brent
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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This awesome montage would say otherwise!
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 3, 2012 4:10 PM EST up reply actions
That, and
CLEAR THE FUCKING PUCK YOU MORONS! STOP TRYING TO DANGLE YOUR WAY OUT OF THE DEFENSIVE ZONE AND CLEAR THE ZONE! ALSO, BLAST THE BLOODY PUCK! NO LIGHT TAPS!
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by Frag on Jan 3, 2012 10:42 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
NO LIGHT TAPS!
TWSS
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by FiftyMissionCap on Jan 3, 2012 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
I’d rec this twice if I could. Even thrice.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Jan 3, 2012 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
we as a community should coach the PK.
And now… your assistant coach, PPP on an iPad in ALL CAPS BOLDED
Dion Phaneuf: turning the tunes up since '10
Amen
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by MapleLeafMole on Jan 3, 2012 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
$146,000 50/50 draw at the WJC
And i get excited about $1,900 draws here….
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still not bad. sabres game I was at hit $15k.
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edmonton’s got that oil money, and Buffalo’s…well…Buffalo is Buffalo.
by Goosemonster on Jan 3, 2012 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
I am just in awe that Ottawa is sitting in sixth place… … the Eastern Conference sucks!
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Also, I’m not sure what they are doing but with the limited talent they have I grudgingly respect them. Our team is more talented than theirs….some of it is overperforming for sure but they’ve been much better than I thought they’d be for a few years, so there’s clearly good coaching going on at some level.
Milan Michalek, Nick Foligno, and Zack Smith all have 10+ goals and all are shooting above 15%. None of them are career 15% shooters. They have two lousy goalies and a horrible defense. I’d say they’re a prime candidate to crash back to earth in the second half.
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Maybe. But they’ve also ruined their draft pick and are unlikely to repeat those figures next season.
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Best part of this Sens three-game winning streak is that they never held the lead at any point during a game.
I’m not too worried about Ottawa making the playoffs over the Leafs.
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The won 2 games in OT
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Sure. That said, the post-lockout Leafs are not exactly in prime position to criticize anyone else for not failing correctly. Several years of aging teams finishing 9th, zero prospects and the one year we manage to crash into a lottery pick, Boston has it.
We’ve all spent way too many hours rationalizing it, but the fact is if any of those Leaf teams had managed to squeak into the playoffs, we would’ve been elated.
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by T is for Truculence on Jan 3, 2012 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
I should add that the Leafs are better-built and in a better position than I’ve seen in, well, ever. There is real cause for optimism; hope that all that wandering through the wilderness since 2004 may soon come to an end
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by T is for Truculence on Jan 3, 2012 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
Wilson: stand in front of the guy who’s standing in front of our goalie and when a shot comes, find a way to block it or get out of the way.
Phaneuf: why don’t I stand behind the guy and when a shot comes I’ll get us both out of the way?
Wilson: no, no, you aren’t getting it. Where’s my rope?
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by GreatKingRat on Jan 3, 2012 9:57 AM EST reply actions 4 recs
That appeared to be the conversation at practice.
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by James Mirtle on Jan 3, 2012 10:00 AM EST up reply actions
I’m with Dion on this one, I don’t care what the rope says.
by Kessel'sOversizedSuit on Jan 3, 2012 10:01 AM EST up reply actions
Dion: do you have any ideas, rope? Are you in the loop?
Rope: I’m a frayed knot.
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by GreatKingRat on Jan 3, 2012 10:13 AM EST up reply actions 18 recs
If at first you don’t succeed – tie, tie again
by jeffgm on Jan 3, 2012 10:19 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Give these guys an inch and they take a mile
"They build a statue, they knock it down and piss on it, and now they will be out there building it again."
by ThickSkinnedAlive on Jan 3, 2012 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
I just don’t understand why they continue to implement the same strategy over and over again, year after year. When they are fully aware that if they do, it will result in them being one of the worst PK teams in the league. It doesn’t work, and guess what, it won’t work. It is time to go back to basics. God it is torturous to be a leaf fan.
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Anecdotal Evidence Alert!
It seems to me that in the playoffs, no team employs Fronting. So why do we do it during the regular season?
Of course, I suppose that during the playoffs, the defence are permitted to cross check the hell out of the guy standing in front, so there’s that. But still…
by Kessel'sOversizedSuit on Jan 3, 2012 10:19 AM EST up reply actions
It is just a stupid strategy, for it to work you need 4 Tim Brents and 4 Mike Browns for when the 4 Tim Brents are all injured from blocking shots. It is an awful strategy that is clearly starting to frustrate the players. I can’t say that I blame them.
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Wilson’s Way Scenario A: Shot taken, Phaneuf blocks it, hooray.
WWSB: Shot taken, Phaneuf doesn’t block it, rebound, guy behind him is alone in the front for the easy rebound tap in.
WWSC: Shot taken, Phaneuf and other guy screen goalie, goal.
WWSD: Shot taken, Phaneuf fails to block shot, guy behind him tip it for a goal.
Phaneuf’s Way Scenario A: Shot taken, Phaneuf takes self and man out of line of shot, goalie was routine save on a point shot.
PWSB: Shot taken, Phaneuf takes self and man out of line of shot, rebound, goalie has time to cover as the man in front is tied up and out of the way.
PWSC&D: If Phaneuf can’t get his man out of the way, then it could go just like WWSC&D.
So basically Phaneuf’s way is the superior alternative in 50% of the possible scenarios for a point shot and then the same for the other half. So yeah TIE UP YOUR MAN IN FRONT AND DON’T SCREEN THE GOALIE YOU IDIOTS.
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one possibility of Phaneuf’s way is for the D-man to take a penalty by taking down the forward (given how massive our defencemen are and how easy some players will go down). Not a likely one, but a possibility.
by Goosemonster on Jan 3, 2012 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
I think that’s the fear, but teams are implementing it successfully. We just can’t keep doing this.
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Oh I totally agree. If your PK is number 30, by definition anything you try can’t make it worse in the rankings at least. Put someone in bear costume or do pirouettes for all I care, as long as it improves the PK.
by Goosemonster on Jan 3, 2012 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
Put someone in bear costume or do pirouettes for all I care
That’s just crazy enough that it might work.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 3, 2012 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
It can’t not work. Get me Greg Cronin’s number!
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by FiftyMissionCap on Jan 3, 2012 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
It’s about timing really, you’ve gotta engage the forward as the shot is about to come. Tie up his stick and move him enough that the goalie can see the puck being shot. It doesn’t have to be a penalty. 6’3" Phaneuf, 6’4" Komi, 6’2" Schenn, 6’5" Franson, 6’5" Aulie should be able to lean on a guy enough to get the job done.
To Mirtle (or anyone else with info):
Any idea who’s starting in goal tonight?
we were told it was going to be Gus, but you know how lying liars with their pants on fire are.
by Goosemonster on Jan 3, 2012 10:16 AM EST up reply actions
We’ll probably have a guess after the morning skate, but at this point, I’d expect to see Gus tonight.
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Gustavsson confirmed as Leafs starter.
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Looks like Gustavsson v Garon tonight in Toronto.
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Anyone know
where I can find how many rinks there are in Canada and/or other countries? Google’s yielding nothing for me.
did you try the IIHF site? I think it has a list there when you select member nations
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yep it works.
use that link and theres a drop down menu for countries
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Canada
Indoor Rinks
2,486
Outdoor Rinks
5,000
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Denmark – 23 rinks. (From one of the broadcasts during the WJC).
Calgary – 62 sheets of ice.
Not exactly apples to apples, but the fact that there is that much disparity is mind boggling.
This space for rant...
by fair_n_hite_451 on Jan 3, 2012 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
denmark is about 1/15th the size of Alberta, so it’s not too bad for them really.
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But in terms of population, they have 5 million vs Alberta’s 3 million.
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by theninjagreg on Jan 3, 2012 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
right, land mass doesn’t matter. went the wrong way with that.
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Land mass matters a bit of course, because if you’re in Edmonton you’re not going to drive down to Fort McLeod to use the rink.
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by theninjagreg on Jan 3, 2012 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
well, number of rinks will increase the more kids play. It’s nice to see them work their way up this far.
Just need Norway to be consistent with their Tier 1 rankings as well and all of scandinavia will be hockey playing.
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i think i just read that denmark is getting bit help from sweden with that hockey thing, which should help them a lot
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or then denmark and norway form an ally after denmark has learnt all the cool tricks sweden can teach…
though i support this possible scandinavian hockey battle if it means that finland can sneak out with the nordic hockey crown…
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A tortuous way to find out would be to go through arenamaps.com and do a manual count. but that’d suck. Plus it wouldn’t tell you how many rinks, just how many arenas, not sure if you care about that or not.
by Kessel'sOversizedSuit on Jan 3, 2012 10:26 AM EST up reply actions
As much as I was hoping that they'd call a penalty shot
There was no way that it should have been given
That is up there with Peter Laviolette referring to a French ref giving biased officiating in the Habs favour ‘Montreal typical.’ He said what we were all thinking.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Jan 3, 2012 1:01 PM EST up reply actions
Does anyone else think that Torres should have gotten more than 2 games for repeatedly attempting to murder people?
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Having not seen any of the hits at all over the break, I would say probably based on repeat offender-edness.
Yea and was fined for another hit the day he jumped to make shoulder contact with buddy’s head.
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that seems unfair
he’s never been suspended before, so we can’t…
wait… what?
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Leafs’ Colby Armstrong skating this morning at ACC; first time I’ve seen him on the ice since concussion was announced
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Rough estimation from Wilson that Armstrong could be back in 7-10 days.
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I know he doesn’t add that much, but it’d be cool to have Army back.
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Yes
He was 3rd on the team for SHTOI/G last year (2nd really if you discount Zigomanis who should be on this team right now).
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Well,
At ES, his Corsi On and Corsi Rel numbers look awful, and his Ozone% is 49%, so that’s not making up for much. That said, his Corsi Rel QoC is the best on our team. He has a PDO of 895, which is pretty amazing, to be honest, but I suppose it’s just a small sample size thing.
At 5v4, he’s got one of the higher Corsi Rel ratings on the team. Yeah, I’d say he probably adds something to the PK.
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by CanadianMaple09 on Jan 3, 2012 12:47 PM EST reply actions 7 recs
The Leafs' PK
It’s entirely possible this has already been said (I’m late weighing in today) but it seems to me that the Leafs’ PK has swung the pendulum too far in the opposite direction.
Last year, they were mind-numbingly passive and let teams set up in the offensive zone at their leisure. This year, it seems to me that they spend too much time chasing the puck and that’s what really seems to be opening up these absurd passing lanes that we see game in and game out. Purely observational but that’s my take, anyway.
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Actually, I would argue that they don’t spend enough time chasing the puck, rather they seem shell-shocked and numb when the opposing team’s unit begins to rotate in position. I think the passing lanes are a result of the lack of active sticks. This however, has looked to be improved somewhat lately.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 3, 2012 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
we chase the puck for about 20 seconds, then when we’re tired we sit back passively and let them pass around us. If I’ve seen it once in December, I’ve seen it a dozen times. We’re not clearing the puck when we get the chance, and its tiring our PK guys and killing our PK numbers.
by Goosemonster on Jan 3, 2012 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
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Brought up a great point today in his 30 thoughts. Wilson LOVES 2 hands on the stick. I think that has an effect on the penalty killers
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Skates with two hands on his stick WAY TOO FREAKING OFTEN.
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Phaneuf doesn’t and I love it. We all rip Don Cherry, but from day one Don has been saying that about Wilson
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Cherry actually does make good points every now and then. The guy was a coach for a while and has been watching hockey for a long time, so he’s sure to find something to say that’s actually right (once in a while)
I defend Don a lot. I find that most people dislike him because he cant pronounce names right and he says things like bring up Zigomanis and yells, however he brings up great points quite often
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I’m a Cherry fan as well.
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Same, he can be an idiot sometimes, but he generally knows what he’s talking about and is a generally nice guy from everything i’ve heard/seen
by Chi-town leafs on Jan 3, 2012 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
Shush you guys, don’t you know you’re going against the general consensus that Cherry is an old coot caveman who has nothing relevent to say? How dare you?!?!
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 3, 2012 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
Since when do I care about going with the general consensus?
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oops, sorry. Meant to just type “touchy”; must have fat-fingered the “e”.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 3, 2012 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
Don’t be sorry, some girls like that.
by Tickle Me Aulie on Jan 3, 2012 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
This is true, but when I follow every french phrase with a french laugh, it’s a total turnoff.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 3, 2012 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
Personally, I think he plays up the whole “mispronouncing names” thing just because it gets a rise out of people.
He’s not stupid, he’s paid very well to act in a certain charicatured way … and he does it very well.
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by fair_n_hite_451 on Jan 3, 2012 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
Personally, I think he plays up the whole "mispronouncing names" thing just because it gets a rise out of people.
That or he just doesn’t give a fuck
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by Tickle Me Aulie on Jan 3, 2012 2:05 PM EST up reply actions
He may actually give a negative amount of fucks
At least it's not Lebda.
by Nifty Mittens on Jan 3, 2012 3:04 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
except yesterday
he claimed that good goal scorers “never go behind the goal line” and showed replays of Kane and Giroux scoring game winners because they didn’t loop around the net after a first attempt, they sat by the side waiting for another chance.
But then you recall the other 58,372 goals that have been scored in NHL history and you think “yeah maybe that’s not the greatest idea every time”
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There are very few “every time” rules in hockey that make any sense. Even the “don’t pass it softly up the middle in your own zone” has a time and a place where it actually is the correct play…
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by fair_n_hite_451 on Jan 3, 2012 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
Even the "don’t pass it softly up the middle in your own zone" has a time and a place where it actually is the correct play…
When it’s the opposing team doing it?
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 3, 2012 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
I’ve been saying for years that Don Cherry has a lot of insightful points that he’s absolutely terrible at articulating. He’s a tremendous success as a broadcaster in that he draws ratings, but he’s an abject failure as a communicator in that he not only fails to get his points across but actually hurts his causes more than he helps.
Also, Don Cherry is the Canadian version of “Hacksaw” Jim Duggan, except with hockey instead of wrestling. Discuss.
by Peter Lynn on Jan 3, 2012 2:01 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Freidman made the same point about 2 hands on the stick in his 30 thoughts today.
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How do you justify that when the other team has possession in your offensive zone though? I mean, you’re taking a foot of reach away from yourself if do it (which makes for some pretty wide passing lanes). I understand it if you’re in the corners or battling with someone in front of the net but in a passive box, that’s suicide.
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yep. this has been a problem for 3 fucking years.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 3, 2012 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
I cannot believe that Aulie didn’t get sent down over Holzer, Aulie sucks and Holzer needs to be given a shot
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by pho king awesome on Jan 3, 2012 12:59 PM EST reply actions
Not positive, but if Holzer plays the right side, they aren’t exactly interchangeable.
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yeah i guess so, i don’t really buy this idea that defense can’t play either side though
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by pho king awesome on Jan 3, 2012 1:04 PM EST up reply actions
Really? Franson played the left side at the beginning of the season and he really struggled. Same with Schenn a few years back.
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Franson had sat for a ton of games before that, could have been rust. Schenn was a rookie. Not exactly definitive proof.
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by pho king awesome on Jan 3, 2012 1:12 PM EST up reply actions
Angles are mirrored, and pulling the puck off the boards with the backhand (and then successfully doing something with it) seems to be a tough move at NHL pace. I’m not sure what else you want as definitive proof – players don’t like switching sides. It rarely happens in the NHL, and not just because GMs like having “RD” and “LD” sitting next to each other.
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that’s true, I would like to see if the better NHL defensemen have switched sides successfully before
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by pho king awesome on Jan 3, 2012 1:19 PM EST up reply actions
Pretty tough to track, since NHL (and related stat sites) don’t track LD v. RD. Phaneuf and Franson are both in the minority by playing on the opposite side they shoot on.
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I thought Franson shot right…
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He does. Phaneuf is the rare animal that plays his off wing. McCabe is another.
Either you have an enviable memory, or a pitiable life, to know nothing of regret.
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But Franson also plays the right beside.
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He does, but was playing LD in Nashville, and said he was uncomfortable moving to the right side. Should’ve been more clear, sorry.
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No worries. That’s why I got confused.
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You’ve got it backwards. Franson has always played RD and was uncomfortable when the Leafs tried to make him a LD.
Either you have an enviable memory, or a pitiable life, to know nothing of regret.
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Hmmm…You may be right. Was it he and komisarek who did rock paper scissors for playing the off-side, or one of the LDs?
Trying to go off memory, and clearly bombing. Regardless, Franson either doesn’t or didn’t like being moved.
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Dammit BP!!
He played RD in Nashville and was played at LD at beginning of year and was unconfortable. Like I said above.
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by Bower Power on Jan 3, 2012 2:18 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
HAhaha
You’re alright
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i guess the fact that they don’t track LD/RD makes it seem they are interchangeable. I still think Holzer would be better on his off side then Aulie is on his proper side.
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by pho king awesome on Jan 3, 2012 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
How many games have you actually seen Holzer play?
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none, but Aulie is terrible and is having/had a way better season with the Marlies so far
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by pho king awesome on Jan 3, 2012 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
none, but Aulie is terrible and Holzer is having/had a way better season with the Marlies so far
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by pho king awesome on Jan 3, 2012 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
How many games have you actually seen Holzer play on his off side?
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 3, 2012 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
the only reason i’m saying this is because Aulie is not a good Defenseman yet
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by pho king awesome on Jan 3, 2012 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
THERE ARE NO MORE GOATS LEFT ON THIS TEAM.
Who am i going to direct my rage towards now?
Dion Phaneuf: turning the tunes up since '10
The ghost of Brett Lebda?
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by FiftyMissionCap on Jan 3, 2012 1:10 PM EST up reply actions
I’m sure leafs nation will crown a new one. I mean Reimer is on the bench now so they can’t blame him. Schenn is also a popular option and of course Ron Wilson
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Are you nuts?
Schenn
Komi’s back soon
Franson’s not great in his own end
Gardiner, although it’s true he’s young, makes all kinds of bad pinching mistakes
And that’s just the defence.
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by pho king awesome on Jan 3, 2012 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
Are you high?
Gardiner is good overall, I’d expect mistakes like the ones he makes out of a 20 year old who is fresh out of college hockey.
If he makes these mistakes, say, 3 years from now, I’d care more. But for now, it can only be expected.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Jan 3, 2012 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
it`s not his fault I hate him. He really should have started with the Marlies
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by pho king awesome on Jan 3, 2012 1:59 PM EST up reply actions
our 6 D should have been Phanuef, Gunnar, Schenn, Komisarek, Franson and Liles. those are our 6 best D, if they dont fit well together with sides and all that then Burke should have made a move.
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by pho king awesome on Jan 3, 2012 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
Don’t confuse what’s happened in the last few weeks with what happened at the time back at the start of October.
Franson didn’t have a strong camp, Gardiner did, and Gardiner deserved a chance to play in the NHL right off the hop. Gardiner probably does need to get a little bit of seasoning in the AHL but with Liles and Komisarek out that makes that kind of difficult.
Ideally, when everyone returns healthy, the 7 D on the Leafs would be Phaneuf, Gunnarsson, Schenn, Liles, Franson, Komisarek and Holzer, and Aulie and Gardiner would go to the Marlies.
But the “coulda woulda shoulda” is disingenious and ignores the reality of the situation, both past and present.
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I wanted him to start in the A from the beginning, Franson played D on a playoff team, better then any D on the leafs could say last year
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by pho king awesome on Jan 3, 2012 2:09 PM EST up reply actions
Ya and so did Lebda.
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Difference is Franson is good at hockey
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by pho king awesome on Jan 3, 2012 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
In October, Gardiner was playing better.
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my point was that Franson should have had a spot on this team based on the fact of playing good hockey with a good defensive, playoff team. you said lebda did the same. a so-so camp for franson coupled with a really good one against weak competition for Gardiner shouldn`t change that in my mind, he easily could have started with the Marlies and come up when he started dominating, if he started dominating
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by pho king awesome on Jan 3, 2012 2:16 PM EST up reply actions
BUT HE OUTPLAYED FRANSON.
You’re a union guy aren’t you.
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This is incredibly circular logic.
He should get his starting spot but he should have to earn his spot but he shouldn’t lose his spot if someone else is better.
More importantly; it’s three months ago. Who the fuck cares? Is he one of the 6 best D available right now? Yes, because two guys are out.
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haha this all started because i said i didnt like Gardiner.
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by pho king awesome on Jan 3, 2012 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
It actually started because you said he should have started with the Marlies which flies in the face of everything that actually happened in real life.
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I think he should have, and there was a lot of people here that thought that as well when the final roster was announced
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by pho king awesome on Jan 3, 2012 2:23 PM EST up reply actions
So then do you not believe that anyone has to earn their spot in the lineup? Because that’s what you’re saying.
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of course they do but Franson didn`t have the kind of camp that would lose you a spot. If i remember correctly he was decent, not great. That usually doesn`t lose you your spot
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by pho king awesome on Jan 3, 2012 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
And making a move implies that there is someone else out there willing to make a move.
The fact that in-season trading has virtually dried up because teams generally begin the season at their internal budgets makes that a much more difficult proposition than you would like to think it is.
Kyle Cumiskey, Nikita Nikitin, Kris Russell, Tomas Kaberle, Jaroslav Spacek, Kurtis Foster, David Rundblad.
That’s every Dman that’s been traded this season. Which of those guys was the answer to our problem?
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going into training camp you should know your top 6 D and make sure that you have 3 LD and 3 RD
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by pho king awesome on Jan 3, 2012 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
They did go into the training camp knowing who their top 6 was. Then Gardiner beat one of them out.
Like how Frattin beat out Kadri for a job on the 3rd line. Or Dupuis beat out Boyce and Crabb for a job on the 4th line.
“Competition for jobs”? That ringing a bell?
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no, because gardiner and franson play different sides. so if thats a huge problem for defense to switch you should make sure that your top 6 d are compatible with each other
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by pho king awesome on Jan 3, 2012 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
How do you make sure your top 6D are compatible if they’ve never played together?
What if your top 6D are more compatible with someone else?
This isn’t NHL12. Wilson’s lineup card doesn’t start glowing green when he puts together the right combination of D. Jesus.
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compatible as in making sure your top 6 d have 3 LD and 3 RD
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by pho king awesome on Jan 3, 2012 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
They did:
Gunnar- Phaneuf
Liles- Schenn
Gardiner- Komi
3 LD and 3 RD
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Franson is a better defenseman then Gardiner if he played LD he would have made the team
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by pho king awesome on Jan 3, 2012 2:26 PM EST up reply actions
and if Toskala could stop the puck he would have been a better goalie
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that`s not fair at all, the leafs were left with a worse defensive team with Gardiner in the lineup because our best d included 4RD and 2 LD
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by pho king awesome on Jan 3, 2012 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
But if Gardiner was playing better than Franson, how were they a worse team?
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Gardiner played better then Franson in pre-season. And if i remember correctly Franson got into 2 games, while Gardiner played all of them
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by pho king awesome on Jan 3, 2012 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
Gardiner played better then Franson in pre-season.
Exactly. SO what is it exactly you are arguing?
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because it’s preseason, no one puts any stock in pre-season.
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by pho king awesome on Jan 3, 2012 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
and Franson is better at playing defense then Gardiner, he’s proved it this year.
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by pho king awesome on Jan 3, 2012 2:37 PM EST up reply actions
ok.. its pretty silly that you can’t admit that Franson is better then Gardiner
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by pho king awesome on Jan 3, 2012 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
WHy cant you admit that Gardiner outplayed him in training camp?
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he did, i said that. on the other hand Franson wasn’t given much of a shot in pre-season.
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by pho king awesome on Jan 3, 2012 2:48 PM EST up reply actions
see below. It’s pretty silly that you make this assumption without any sort of an argument.
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Gardiner vs Franson Corsi ON (-3.09 vs. +1.31) GA/ON (2.56 vs. 2.44) GF/ON (2.45 vs. 2.62)
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by pho king awesome on Jan 3, 2012 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
Using corsi like that is pretty shitty. SO many other factors involved.
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Corsi rel -1.4 vs. +4.9
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by pho king awesome on Jan 3, 2012 2:55 PM EST up reply actions
Bower Power has different numbers. WHO HAS THE RIGHT STATS?
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i got them from behindthenet.ca
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by pho king awesome on Jan 3, 2012 2:57 PM EST up reply actions
I had Corsi rel QoC. Gardiner: -.237, Franson: -.441
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and exactly what im arguing is that fully healthy this team is better with Franson in for Gardiner. Its too bad that Franson can’t play the other side.
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by pho king awesome on Jan 3, 2012 2:39 PM EST up reply actions
that`s not fair at all, the leafs were left with a worse defensive team with Gardiner in the lineup
Bower Power is challenging the assumption on the field that Gardiner is worse defensively than Franson.
Gardiner has a higher Corsi rel QoC (-.237 v -.441), and though he has more o-zone starts (56.6% v 53.5), has a better zone finish (55.6% v 53.5).
So you’re suggesting that Franson not only is better defensively, but that he would be better defensively if he were playing on his off side. I call bull.
Beyond that, you’re suggesting that we should’ve traded someone on the right side, but Komisarek and Phaneuf aren’t moving, so it’s either Schenn or Franson for someone who plays left D, just so that we can free up space for the one who survives and so that Gardiner could play on the Marlies? What part of that makes sense?
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by Bower Power on Jan 3, 2012 2:43 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
/slow clap
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i wasn’t saying that Franson would be better on his off side then Gardiner is on his proper side. and Frason could probably have been swapped for a defensive LD, yeah.
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by pho king awesome on Jan 3, 2012 2:47 PM EST up reply actions
How is Franson more useful on another team than in the press box?
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Franson comes before Gardiner alphabetically.
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Aulie is the #1 defenceman!
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because we could have gotten a LD that is superior defensively then Gardiner?
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by pho king awesome on Jan 3, 2012 2:52 PM EST up reply actions
I’m not so sure we could have – especially early in the year, when trades just don’t happen. And if we could have, then I think it would’ve been a short term patch that wouldn’t have been worth losing future years from Franson.
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maybe not.. it is possible though, we got him for Lebda
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by pho king awesome on Jan 3, 2012 3:00 PM EST up reply actions
We got him and Lombardi for Lebda. From a cash strapped team. And we did it in the offseason, not after the year had started. As Holland once said, most teams take until US Thanksgiving to evaluate their team, then, I’m guessing, until close to the deadline to plan and execute trades.
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In the offseason.
Again, the list of defenceman that have been traded during this season.
Kyle Cumiskey, Nikita Nikitin, Kris Russell, Tomas Kaberle, Jaroslav Spacek, Kurtis Foster, David Rundblad
Choose your defensive saviour.
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wait now you wanted us to have traded Franson? I’m totally confused, didn’t he “deserve” the roster spot before Gardiner, the guy who outplayed him?
just spitballing the way of having the best defense on this team. because obviously we need some help with that
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by pho king awesome on Jan 3, 2012 2:53 PM EST up reply actions
Gardiner beat out Franson for a spot in training camp in part because there was no room on the right side and Franson couldn’t play the left side. But there’s a reason the Leafs tried to get Franson to play his off-side anyway, because they still wanted him in the lineup. When they realized he couldn’t play the left side, they decided to stick with Gardiner instead. When Komisarek got hurt, they put in Franson, and he’s been there since. Gardiner coming in and out of the lineup is a separate issue.
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by T is for Truculence on Jan 3, 2012 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
I think you’re approaching this wrong. Franson played RD and didn’t make the cut because the Leafs were/are heavily invested in the other 3 RD ahead of him (Komi, Schenn, Phaneuf). Franson was got for a bag of peanuts (actually, less than peanuts — Lebda).
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 3, 2012 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
because going into training camp we our top 6 had 4RD and 2 LD. thats why Gardiner made the team, because apparently Franson couldn`t hack it at LD
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by pho king awesome on Jan 3, 2012 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
Also Keith Aulie was slated to be a LD and Gardiner beat him out as well.
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I’m amused.
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heh, okay what im saying is Franson is better then Gardiner we can disagree on this, thats okay. Franson has better metrics then Gardiner, Gardiner probably has a much higher upside.
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by pho king awesome on Jan 3, 2012 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
he absolutely should not have. he’s been far better than other D we’ve gotten from the Marlies this season. he’s held his own quite well in the league thus far.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 3, 2012 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
the only D weve gotten from the marlies this season are Aulie and Holzer. Holzer was given press box duty and Aulie has been horrible
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by pho king awesome on Jan 3, 2012 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
exactly. if those are the best guys we’ve got in the A Gardiner’s already a step ahead. he may not be a great shut-down guy yet, but that’s not his fault.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 3, 2012 2:05 PM EST up reply actions
No not at all, he`s playing above his head.
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by pho king awesome on Jan 3, 2012 2:09 PM EST up reply actions
and i don`t think he is good overall he has 9 A in 35 GP, and makes a huge amount of mistakes. Also, for some reason Wilson uses him on the PK, he is clearly not suited for that.
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by pho king awesome on Jan 3, 2012 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
Gardiner’s Corsi Rel is better than Komi’s, Schenn’s and Aulie’s. also has more points/60 than Gunnarson.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 3, 2012 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
in terms of Corsi, Gardiner is 5th on the team for defense. Thats not great
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by pho king awesome on Jan 3, 2012 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
he’s doing better than experienced NHLers Schenn and Komi, so clearly whatever defensive issues he has it’s not (only) because of lack of experience.
I don’t see how he benefits from time in the AHL. And I don’t see how the Leafs benefit with Aulie or Holzer as a replacement.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 3, 2012 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
Aulie is worse, but you at least have to see what Holzer can do. we need defensive minded D right now, and gardiner isn`t that
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by pho king awesome on Jan 3, 2012 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
but Gardiner provides something we actually need: a guy who can skate with the puck and get it out of the zone.
Holzer shouldn’t be replacing Gardiner; he should be replacing Schenn or Komi.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 3, 2012 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
alternatively Schenn and Komi could never attempt a pinch again and promise to slap shot the puck down the ice the second they gained possession in their own zone.
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in that game the other night (forget which one) I saw Schenn take the puck up the ice and I thought “oh god. what the fuck are you doing!” then I saw him clear one guy and I thought “wow. ok, good start. now dump it in.”
then he tried to get past 3 more and it all went to shit.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 3, 2012 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
yes it did.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 3, 2012 2:57 PM EST up reply actions
with a fully heathy lineup we have more then enough offensive d, obviously right now we dont have a fully healthy lineup so he needs to play
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by pho king awesome on Jan 3, 2012 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
gotta go guys, good convo today!
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by pho king awesome on Jan 3, 2012 3:06 PM EST up reply actions
I know, But I had a huge hate on for dupuis. There’s a difference between " not playing well" and “not very good at playing hockey.”
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Well, the 4 players I just mentioned have yet to prove that they’re “very good at playing hockey in the NHL”.
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Mike Komisarek has proved that at times he can be a good hockey player, same with Luke Schenn.
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Luke Schenn was “great for a kid” for a while.
Komisarek had a year or two skating with Markov where he was OK, but he never put up 20 points in a season, and, if my memory serves me correctly, he had never averaged more than 20:00 of TOI/game before his current contract.
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fire the coach and potentially solve a few of those problems at once.
To use a mafia analogy:
when a dog’s tail keeps hitting you in the leg, you don’t cut of the tail cause the head will bite you. you cut off the head and tail will take care of itself.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 3, 2012 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
how refreshing… VRN taking a ‘fire wilson’ stance in 2012.
That's "Da-ooo". I killed a turkey once, with a shovel.
how refreshing. Daoust jumping on me for an innocuous comment expressing an opinion.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 3, 2012 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
Daoust vs VRN. Me vs birky.
Its standard
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2012 prediction – birky turns face and jumps on the Schenn Bandwagon.
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birky is a heel for life. If he turns face, that will be a bigger shock than when Hogan leg dropped Savage
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In other news, I found this image. I'm sorry I don't know what to say.
by Kessel'sOversizedSuit on Jan 3, 2012 1:35 PM EST reply actions
It's the first you've seen this?
It’s been around for years.
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I was just gonna say.
p.s. this guy looks like he rides in the dreaded leaf mobile.
p.p.s this is probably a prank, and actually a habs fan posing in Leaf swag. The guy definitely looks like a habs fan; the haircut gives it away.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 3, 2012 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
It is the first I’ve seen it. I’m damaged goods now.
by Kessel'sOversizedSuit on Jan 3, 2012 1:50 PM EST up reply actions
You must be new. Welcome to the internet.
So, apparently I can now be followed.. but no stalking. @alsonamedphil
the guy is from this ‘real life peter pan’ website….
http://www.pixyland.org/peterpan/
someone photoshopped a leafs logo onto it. it’s been around for quite a while.
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That is the creepiest website I ever visited….You should be ashamed of yourself daoust
When losing an argument on the internet, be sure to attack someones grammar. That is the only way to save face.
That is the creepiest website I ever visited
You must be new to the internet.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 3, 2012 1:44 PM EST up reply actions
ha haa… I’ve seen this photo plenty of times before, but until now I’ve never noticed how photoshopped the logo looks on the sweater/shirt/blouse/whatever that thing is.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 3, 2012 1:44 PM EST up reply actions
I just ran a few quick numbers
turns out the more a D-man blocks shots on the PK, the more goals are scored (about 5% of variance).
This is even greater than the relationship between SA/60 and GA/60 (about 2% of variance).
Missed shots was basically unrelated to GA/60.
In other words, the last thing a D-man should do is attempt to block a lot of shots.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 3, 2012 1:38 PM EST reply actions
Eh, I don't think that's the conclusion to draw, here.
Your first two points, in my mind, explain each other.
If you’re blocking more shots, it’s because more shots are being fired at your net. The key to PK success is preventing shots.
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SA/60 and BF/60 are basically unrelated. teams with a high number of shots against don’t block more shots.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 3, 2012 1:44 PM EST up reply actions
I feel compelled to check on that. Do you have a link handy?
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i’m just tabulating stuff in an excel sheet as i go. i can make it a google doc maybe.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 3, 2012 1:49 PM EST up reply actions
which would be dumb, because i’m basically just uploading values from behindthenet
i should mention i used this season, and set games > 15 and toi > 1. I should check previous seasons…
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 3, 2012 1:50 PM EST up reply actions
I’ll try with 3 years.
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yeah, seems like none of it holds up using last years data….
snart.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 3, 2012 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
everyone over 100 SA/60 should probably be dropped.
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Brett Lebda, Lebda, and B.Lebda?
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 3, 2012 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
Likely people with less than 20 minutes total toi.
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"Ville Leino may stink but he’s still way better than Matt Ellis."
Well
Since it’s 4v5, no one touches that mark. I cropped off every player that averaged less than half a minute of PK time a night. I was going a bit quickly, or yeah, I probably would have lopped off the 100+ SA crowd.
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what are the cors with GA/60?
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 3, 2012 2:56 PM EST up reply actions
Corsi Rel/On Vs. GA/60?
Hang on.
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it sounds like you’re just making stuff up now.
That's "Da-ooo". I killed a turkey once, with a shovel.
did you wake up in the new year with a really bad hangover? mr sourpuss.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 3, 2012 1:59 PM EST up reply actions
lighten up amigo. just f-ing around.
2012’s going to be a long year if you take everything so seriously.
That's "Da-ooo". I killed a turkey once, with a shovel.
i’ve grown tired of fighting with people just for the sake of providing entertainment to onlookers.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 3, 2012 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
silly banter for the amusement of others is one of life’s great gifts VRN. don’t take that away.
That's "Da-ooo". I killed a turkey once, with a shovel.
can we argue about whether arguing is good or not? because that’s what this is turning into.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 3, 2012 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
arguing is the BEST. it’s so obvious it’s not even worth arguing about, except it is because arguing is awesome.
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strange loops
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 3, 2012 2:16 PM EST up reply actions
Ehn – bit high brow for this argument.
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possibly the most highfalutin book ever written.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 3, 2012 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
you’re fast. bet my friend in the first year of grad school he couldn’t finish it before he got his PhD.
Got me a pitcher of beer for that one.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 3, 2012 2:52 PM EST up reply actions
I read a lot and am persistent. I’m certain I have only retained 5% though, most of it the conversations between Turtle and Achilles, which are cool but not the crux of his arguments. I can see why many would just abandon it; nearly did when I realized I’d probably need a year or two to digest and think about it to be able to retain and use anything he wrote.
Maybe if I see it for $3 one day I’ll spend more time with it and MU.
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The heck is that?
Professional cusser causer.
by T is for Truculence on Jan 3, 2012 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
The cover of a book called Godel, Escher, Bach
The author carved those sculptures that each project the image of GEB.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 3, 2012 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
Then you’re gonna hate this site
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I’m resisting the urge to call in and cuss him out for scoring that hattrick.
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I don’t know why you’re resisting.
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Man vs. Wild?
Is he trying to out-do Shane Doan and his brother?
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 3, 2012 2:26 PM EST up reply actions
Simple: Boo a lot whenver a player on your team gets touched, yell at refs and get them to make shitty calls to appease you. Also known as the Montreal/Winnipeg approach
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Actually, Montreal cheers when one of their players dives, and it only turns to boos when they realize a penalty isn’t being called. It may be the most infuriating thing ever, right up there with singing Ole during a tie game.
singing Ole during a tie game.
That’s the best they can aspire to these days, what with Mr. “ne parle pas” as the coach.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 3, 2012 3:05 PM EST up reply actions
true story
last year I went to a Habs @ Detroit game, and the Habs were down by 3-1 going into the third. The crowd was at least 2/3rds Habs fans.
One of “Les Glorieux” scores a goal, and it’s 3-2. The Habs start playing with gusto and look dangerous. The crowd goes into an Ole singing frenzy even BEFORE the score was tied, which it never was because the Red Wings hung on to their lead and then put it away with an empty netter.
But seeing legions of Habs fans with disappointment on their faces was priceless.
Fi-re Wil-son! Clap-Clap Clap-Clap-Clap!!!
by Peter de Chatham on Jan 3, 2012 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
Was it Aulie or Franson who pushed a Jet down behind the net and it took the ref a whole 4-count and the crowd booing to call a penalty.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 3, 2012 3:04 PM EST up reply actions
looking at behindthenet.ca
I miss Mike Brown
Corsi Rel +13.5
SAON/60 17.7
GAON/60 1.61
18 GP so not THAT small of a sample size
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by pho king awesome on Jan 3, 2012 3:04 PM EST reply actions
heh, yeah not like those stats would last all season but god damn do they look nice
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by pho king awesome on Jan 3, 2012 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Ducks get LW Luca Caputi from Toronto for LW Nicolas Deschamps. Another Murray-Burke transaction. Swap of disappointing prospects
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Luca has been freed.
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by daoust on Jan 3, 2012 3:08 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
As a fellow italian-canadian, I’m sure you’re outraged/saddened.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 3, 2012 3:08 PM EST up reply actions
My hands are moving at an outrageous pace right now
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by leafer1984 on Jan 3, 2012 3:10 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Yes… I haven’t even started the fucking Top 25 yet and it’s ruined.
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Spoiler Alert?
Did you have Caputi as #1?
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 3, 2012 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
top 25?
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Gotcha.
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not sure if intentional
or just auto-formatting.
RIP Former-and-forever Leaf Wade Belak
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just swap the two names and hope no one notices
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by Tickle Me Aulie on Jan 3, 2012 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
It just didn’t work in Toronto. Hope he can get some breaks in Anaheim. And if we’re all lucky, his new affiliation will bar them from airing the Caputi/Zigomanis Cheetah Power Surge commercials ever again, lifting the D’Angelo curse.
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… until the new series of commercials featuring Jerry D’Amigo.
by Peter Lynn on Jan 3, 2012 3:31 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i don’t understand this trade at all. deschamps is younger but suckier
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by pho king awesome on Jan 3, 2012 3:25 PM EST up reply actions
Twitter just crashed. I assume it’s all the Caputi fans moaning and crying.
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No, no. It takes more than just Leafer to crash twitter.
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I hope Caputi just needed a change of scenery and performs well with them. Seems like a good kid.
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#Leafs recall D Korbinian Holzer, re-assign F Philippe Dupuis to #Marlies. #NHL #AHL
Done with Doops.
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yay!!
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by pho king awesome on Jan 3, 2012 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
double entendre
I guess this means that dupuis was a “pointless” signing
by jeffgm on Jan 3, 2012 3:17 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Since the lockout
Where does Dupuis rank among all-time fourth-line disappointments? Was he worse than Wallin or Mitchell or any of the other guys I’ve blocked out of my memory?
I dunno, but he has the word “champs” in his last name; this obviously means we will not win the cup.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 3, 2012 3:26 PM EST up reply actions
So when the Leafs pick him up they’ll knock out Bobby Ryan and stick him in the trunk right?
Professional cusser causer.
by T is for Truculence on Jan 3, 2012 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
they’re hoping the ducks don’t notice when they slap a Deschamps jersey on Ryan and walk him out the front door right under their noses.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 3, 2012 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
Soon to be the movie “Burkies Eleven”
At least it's not Lebda.
by Nifty Mittens on Jan 3, 2012 5:26 PM EST up reply actions
Our forward group is a bit small. We would like to add size, if we can. Our PK needs to improve, but that will come internallyLuca Caputi – 6’3", 217lbs
Nicolas Deschamps – 6’, 173lbs
Ummmmmmmmmmm……
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If this means Dustin Penner oh god oh god no
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by T is for Truculence on Jan 3, 2012 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I don’t think Burke made the Caputi trade to fix the Leafs.
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I think this was a buddy buddy trade. It saves Anaheim about $300K. Also Mirtle kinda alluded that Caputi thought he should have more ice time.
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Let’s hope he isn’t Caput.
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That was awful
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I know, but I couldn’t help it.
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Indeed.
We need a centreman who can work the boards like a beast, they don’t have to be amazing offensively.
Bleeding Blue and White since '88
Thats where the leafs miss Army
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The way the Leafs figure it they can’t play defense so they are just going to let Phaneuf and Aulie loose. The other team can’t score if they are dead.
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by LeafInVancouver on Jan 3, 2012 5:30 PM EST up reply actions
The Leafs have all 22 men in the penalty box, serving a combined 2,876 PIM. The opposing team, though, has just left the ice in a hearse. Looks like the Leafs will nurse this one-goal lead the rest of the way home.
22 men in the penalty box? So the NHL pulled a suprise made up rule to allow the Leafs to play 2 scratches?
by Chi-town leafs on Jan 3, 2012 6:13 PM EST up reply actions
Brown threw so many punches he opened a tear in space-time and triplicated himself.
by LeafInVancouver on Jan 3, 2012 6:29 PM EST up reply actions
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