Gearing Up For The Final Stretch
For more years than I care to remember, the Leafs have put together a wonderful runs after the All-Star break that have failed to carry them into the post-season. I figure that it's a coin toss whether or not the Leafs will actually pull it off this year, but James Mirtle is somewhat less optimistic:
Even if the Leafs can repeat that 33-game run from last season, they would still only end up with 97 points – enough to make the postseason, sure, but not by any huge margin.
Roughly 92 or 93 likely does the trick this season, but that still means playing at a slightly better clip the rest of the way than they have so far.
Toronto will need to be better against good teams such as the Penguins, and they’ll need stories like Reimer’s last year when he went 16-7-5 with a .917 save percentage after the all-star game.
Eep.
Well, plenty of links for your perusal once again, today. Real hockey starts back up again tonight, with the Leafs taking on the Penguins, so stay tuned for more from us today.
Leafs Links:
What's Eating Nikolai Kulemin?
Besides a person with a lot of tequila. This one's my own post at The Leafs Nation.
Marlies Weekly Update - January 23-31
Jeffler recaps the week that was for the Marlies and previews their return to action after the AHL ASG.
What Would Be In A 2012 Maple Leafs Time Capsule?
Dirty Dangle has a few good suggestions.
GM for a day: who would you bring to Toronto?
Vintage Leaf Memories asks the question.
Weekend Recap: Marlies Drop Two Against the North
Ben Scrivens and Matt Frattin the lone bright spots. From Kyle Cicerella.
"Suck it Phaneuf. Woooo!"
In case you didn't catch this, it's kinda funny. Link via Travis Hughes at Broad St. Hockey.
Maple Leafs Panel: Former Players, Top-Tier Goalies & J-M Liles
Lukas Hardonk, Mark Ascione, and Alex Mamalis all weigh in.
Mikhail Grabovski Continues to Mark His Spot with Weekly First Star Award
Grabbo has really begun to turn his season around. Perfect timing too, since he's prime trade fodder. From Lukas Hardonk at The Hockey Writers.
Other Hockey Links:
Rookie Forward Deployments, League-Wide
Great little post from Derek Zona at The Copper & Blue.
History Lessons: The Point of the All-Star Game
An excellent article from Ellen Etchingham at Backhand Shelf. Definitely worth a read.
Another tasty upgrade to behindthenet.ca
Enough said.
Canadians care more about Skills Competition than NHL All-Star Game
Strange. From Greg Wyshynski at Puck Daddy.
All-Star Weekend, Power Rankings, and our own Jackie Redmond
Backhand Shelf's podcast is always a good listen.
The Cult of Stu
More good stuff from Tyler Dellow.
Hurricanes sign Gleason to four-year extension
In cast you haven't heard, the deal is worth $16M over 4 years. From the CP at the Globe.
7th Inning Sketch
Not bad. Glove tap to Gabriel Desjardins for the link.
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Today is
Dion Phaneuf trade day. I hope you all can find time to celebrate. The fact I have to work today is a travesty, it should be a holiday
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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by leafer1984 on Jan 31, 2012 7:32 AM EST via Android app reply actions 19 recs
Is it time to set up the Dion tree and deliver bodychecks to friends and family?
At least it's not Lebda.
by Nifty Mittens on Jan 31, 2012 7:54 AM EST up reply actions
I like to celebrate Dion Phaneuf trade day by making similarly lopsided deals.
First I like to stop by the car dealership and offer them a pair of old gym socks for a Corvette. Then I’ll visit my brother and trade him a bowl full of orange peelings for his big screen TV.
I love Dion Phaneuf trade day.
I've got 99 problems and they're all hyperdimensional self-replicating machine elves.
by Jay! on Jan 31, 2012 7:57 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Funny thing
is Dion Phaneuf trade day, I bet most of us remember exactly where they were and what they were doing when they heard about it.
I know I do.
It’s Leafs fans “where were you when JFK was shot” moment.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 31, 2012 8:59 AM EST up reply actions
I was sitting on the couch with my then-girlfriend now wife, watching whatever the NBC sunday game was. Pierre Maguire said something about Dion Phaneuf being traded w/o saying which team, and my wife and I looked at each other surprised that Dion had been traded at all.
Then Pierre said, Dion to the Leafs… and I started jumping around the room screaming.
Then they mentioned that we had traded Blake and Toskala… and I laughed so hard I cried.
Finally got twitter...@mapleleafmjt
by Chi-town leafs on Jan 31, 2012 9:03 AM EST up reply actions
It was a Red Wings v Blackhawk game I think. I was on the couch with my then-girlfriend, now ex watching the game. I flipped my shit and called my dad. She broke up with me a week later haha #didntcare
Ah that would explain why we were watching the game then
Finally got twitter...@mapleleafmjt
by Chi-town leafs on Jan 31, 2012 9:43 AM EST up reply actions
either way
Finally got twitter...@mapleleafmjt
by Chi-town leafs on Jan 31, 2012 9:50 AM EST up reply actions
Funny story, the night before I was at the a pub in Vaughan after the leaf game to wash away the agony of that terrible loss. I was watching the Flames game which was the late night game for the sole reason of watching Phaneuf. I followed them because he was my favourite player.
I was up late that night talking to a girl I had just met, who would eventually turn into my fiancee, so I woke up late the next day, checked the berry, saw twitter and ran to my laptop.
I still enjoy re-reading the trade thread
Fairweather fans can go to hell
Equal oppurtunity asshole and a proud member of the PPPPP
Follow me on twitter: leafer1984
by leafer1984 on Jan 31, 2012 9:06 AM EST up reply actions 5 recs
haha. love the part about meeting your fiance that night.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 31, 2012 9:07 AM EST up reply actions
DION MAKE TWO PERSON LOVE FOREVER EACH OTHER
99% of player salaries are payed out to only 1% of players. #OccupyNHL
I'm a Twitter twat.
CanadianMaple09 is an effective Facebook stalker.
by MLS on Jan 31, 2012 9:10 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
That was a hilarious read. Since I wasn’t around back then I had the pleasure of reading several hours worth of posts in a few minutes and boy, talk about dread, uncertainty, confusion, and joy wrapped up in one little bundle.
I loved the prophets of doom weighing in on the trade, especially comments (whose original posters shall remain unamed) proclaiming how we’re so “boned” and the like.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 31, 2012 9:47 AM EST up reply actions
we all know you’re talking about Chemmy.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 31, 2012 10:01 AM EST up reply actions
I was going to bring this up.
Sounds a lot like the same old Chemmy. Not an optimist :p
by Ben Schnell on Jan 31, 2012 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
And that confirms it. VRN, I’ve outed you as PPP’s resident psychic.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 31, 2012 10:12 AM EST up reply actions
nah. we were talking about this last week I think. someone was raggin on Chemmy.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 31, 2012 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
There was quite a bit of negativity about the trade… first of all, we gave up Ian White… the best player in the trade! My fondest “analysis” was Dave Feschuk and Michael Grange going on Off The Record to rip the trade. It was so dishonest as they were clearly just pimping their book about why the Leafs suck and will always suck. Never had much respect for Feschuk, but lost a lot for Grange…
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first of all, we gave up Ian White… the best player in the trade!

Fairweather fans can go to hell
Equal oppurtunity asshole and a proud member of the PPPPP
Follow me on twitter: leafer1984
Leafer + LeaferFiancee + Phaneuf FOREVER!!!
The plural of "anecdote" is not "data".
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by Draglikepull on Jan 31, 2012 10:19 AM EST up reply actions
She also bought me my Phaneuf jersey for Christmas.
Fairweather fans can go to hell
Equal oppurtunity asshole and a proud member of the PPPPP
Follow me on twitter: leafer1984
That is true love. She is a keeper. Sign her up long term
"They build a statue, they knock it down and piss on it, and now they will be out there building it again."
by ThickSkinnedAlive on Jan 31, 2012 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
Sign her to a retirement length contract!
99% of player salaries are payed out to only 1% of players. #OccupyNHL
I'm a Twitter twat.
CanadianMaple09 is an effective Facebook stalker.
With a NTC and a modified NMC
"They build a statue, they knock it down and piss on it, and now they will be out there building it again."
by ThickSkinnedAlive on Jan 31, 2012 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
Before each season she has to give a list of 5 neighbourhoods she is willing to move to.
by WizardofNaz on Jan 31, 2012 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
I was hungover and my sens fan roommate told me to turn on TSN about noon… we woke up the entire house with fist pumping and maniacal laughter
Dion Phaneuf: turning the tunes up since '10
The night before was my birthday and sambuka may have been involved. At around 1pm I woke up pretty hungover, flipped open my laptop to twitter to see it exploded. Found out the details, ran down the stairs screaming WOOOOOOOOO!. told my dad started doing a dance, ran to the toilet puked because the dancing made me sick, Then I had waffles.
by WizardofNaz on Jan 31, 2012 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
I had to go to my cousin’s birthday party. I spent the day chirping my Flames fan friend via text, she was happy to be rid of him.
The Leafs are my Rushmore
Certified Grabbo Lover and member of the PPPPP
I also write things about stuff over at the Leafs Nation
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 31, 2012 9:26 AM EST up reply actions
I was on a plane to Calgary. In fact, I had not even heard about the deal until I got to the Calgary Airport.
TWEET AT ME BRO
DAAAAA BLOG
Leaf fan for life! (No, really. They gave me a no-trade clause when I was born.)
by FiftyMissionCap on Jan 31, 2012 9:57 AM EST up reply actions
Except without all the negativity attached to it. It’s like, instead of him getting shot he just gave everyone in the world birthday cake. It’s the Leafs fans “where were you when JFK gave everybody in the world birthday cake” moment.
I've got 99 problems and they're all hyperdimensional self-replicating machine elves.
Hungover, drinking an AM beer to get over it, and watching the Sunday game. CBC tosses up the trade, and suddenly my roommate and I are laughing, screaming, and jumping up and down.
A week and a half later, I created an SBNation account.
RIP Former-and-forever Leaf Wade Belak
Me on Twitter
by Bower Power on Jan 31, 2012 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
I had just returned from a delicious late breakfast at F&S with my girlfriend. We got back to our old apartment in Ottawa and I opened up my laptop on my bed. Went right to PPP and saw the Phaneuf and Giguere fanshots on the front page and thought they were a joke until I opened them and began reading the comments.
Flugenweb, space code, twit zone, ass mode, check ze tweets.
I was in Calgary actually (live there now but was lived in tdot at the time) visiting my gf and I woke up, turned the tv on and saw the trade! I was so excited but we had bought advanced tickets to see Avatar in 3D for noon. So we were sitting in Avatar and I kept checking my phone to read trade analysis. It was awesome.
Unfortunately I didn’t know PPP existed then. A lot of Calgary folk were happy to get rid of him.
Trade you your delicious doorstop for my crummy old danish.
TWEET AT ME BRO
DAAAAA BLOG
Leaf fan for life! (No, really. They gave me a no-trade clause when I was born.)
by FiftyMissionCap on Jan 31, 2012 9:52 AM EST up reply actions
Seems like a good day for Burke to one-up himself
And get Parise.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 31, 2012 8:56 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Leafs record since Phaneuf trade: 75-63-19 (~88 point pace)
Leafs record with Phaneuf in lineup: 70-55-16 (~91 point pace)
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by HockeyAnalysis on Jan 31, 2012 9:14 AM EST up reply actions
True dat
Since Dion’s arrived, the team’s pretty much fallen apart. Oh… the glory days. How I remember the Cups of 06, 07 and 08.
Good times.
Damn that Phaneuf. The loss of Stajan has really crippled us.
I shot a moose once, in upstate New York.
by not norm ullman on Jan 31, 2012 9:21 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Stajan? the centerpiece of that trade was Jamal Mayers… that guy was clutch, he put in 110% effort every game and had a ton of intangibles
Finally got twitter...@mapleleafmjt
by Chi-town leafs on Jan 31, 2012 9:23 AM EST up reply actions
yeah Mayers was so intangible you couldnt even see him out there.
by Goosemonster on Jan 31, 2012 9:31 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Here is the FTB from January 31st, 2010: http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2010/1/31/1285493/carry-on-into-the-rapture
Here is the trade thread Chemmy threw up when the news broke: http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2010/1/31/1285626/dion-phaneuf-a-leaf
Pension Plan Puppets
I hope YouTube comes down to film this.
by birky on Jan 31, 2012 9:55 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
CELEBRATE GOOD TIMES

The Leafs are my Rushmore
Certified Grabbo Lover and member of the PPPPP
I also write things about stuff over at the Leafs Nation
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 31, 2012 9:58 AM EST up reply actions
I will.
TWEET AT ME BRO
DAAAAA BLOG
Leaf fan for life! (No, really. They gave me a no-trade clause when I was born.)
by FiftyMissionCap on Jan 31, 2012 10:05 AM EST up reply actions
Fairweather fans can go to hell
Equal oppurtunity asshole and a proud member of the PPPPP
Follow me on twitter: leafer1984
First comment says it all
who do they have that’s worth Dion? Kessel?
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 31, 2012 10:04 AM EST up reply actions
lol
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 31, 2012 10:07 AM EST up reply actions
Best
Originally Posted by Pugger
Apparently it’s Kaberle, Stajan and Kadri.
We got hosed if this is true.
Fairweather fans can go to hell
Equal oppurtunity asshole and a proud member of the PPPPP
Follow me on twitter: leafer1984
Say what you want about silly season, but it can be pretty hilarious
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 31, 2012 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
I could post a single comment every day for the rest of the season and laugh every day
Does this open the door for Kovalchuk to Calgary?
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 31, 2012 10:15 AM EST up reply actions
The only way this makes sense is there’s another team involved. Retarded if not. Everyone on the Leafs sucks.
I've got 99 problems and they're all hyperdimensional self-replicating machine elves.
Also
I’m going to be sick if Kessel is the return.
lol
I've got 99 problems and they're all hyperdimensional self-replicating machine elves.
To be fair, at least 80% of our roster was crappy then.
by Goosemonster on Jan 31, 2012 10:21 AM EST up reply actions
Oh, I know.
I was just laughing about how prophetic that statement turned out to be. They did end up picking up a lot of suck in that trade.
I've got 99 problems and they're all hyperdimensional self-replicating machine elves.
It’s being a little unfair, as that’s not exactly where the most brilliant of Flames fans go to post on the internet.
I guess it’d be like taking samples from LeafSpace or TSN.ca or some other Bullshit Leafs site…. it’s going to make us look bad.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 31, 2012 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
makes no sense for Anaheim to dump Giguere just to take on Blake or Finger.
-birky
Makes no sense for the Leafs to give up any assets for a $6M back-up goalie.
-mf37
what makes you think he’ll be the back-up?
-birky
Because he sucks.
-mf37
Someone give mf37 a fuckin’ medal.
RIP Former-and-forever Leaf Wade Belak
Me on Twitter
by Bower Power on Jan 31, 2012 10:39 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Hate you all.
"You said you didn't give a f#%k about hockey. And I never saw someone say that before..."
"Storm coming? Hatchet coming!"
by TheBurnward on Jan 31, 2012 1:39 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You should hate Sutter.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 31, 2012 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
BCP
I wrote about the lack of secondary scoring on the Leafs this year
http://bluechipprospects.blogspot.com
looking at PPG would have been helpful.
also, how did this compare to last season?
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 31, 2012 8:50 AM EST up reply actions
I thought about comparing it to last season, but since we missed the playoffs I wasn’t sure how helpful it would be. I guess what I can say is that last year we had 4 guys put up 55+ points (Kulemin, MacArthur, Grabovski, Kessel) and this season we’ve got three (Kessel, Lupul, Grabo).
I’m thinking about looking at scoring distribution on teams that are currently in the playoffs to see what generally works.
http://bluechipprospects.blogspot.com
what generally works.
You might get a huge variation here… last year both NSH and MON made the playoffs with barely any scoring at all.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 31, 2012 8:58 AM EST up reply actions
Boston only had three 55+ point guys last year (none over 62 points), only one 30 (exactly) goal scorer, but were 5th in goals scored, and won the Stanley Cup.
Of course they had 8 players with 40+ points and 12 players with 10+ goals.
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by HockeyAnalysis on Jan 31, 2012 9:22 AM EST up reply actions
If anyone needs a laugh this morning. Did Gomez Score?
"They build a statue, they knock it down and piss on it, and now they will be out there building it again."
by ThickSkinnedAlive on Jan 31, 2012 7:55 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
We’ve all spend more on worse.
"They build a statue, they knock it down and piss on it, and now they will be out there building it again."
by ThickSkinnedAlive on Jan 31, 2012 8:42 AM EST up reply actions
*spent
"They build a statue, they knock it down and piss on it, and now they will be out there building it again."
by ThickSkinnedAlive on Jan 31, 2012 8:42 AM EST up reply actions
6 more days …
At least it's not Lebda.
by Nifty Mittens on Jan 31, 2012 7:57 AM EST up reply actions
Looking over my fantasy team,
How the hell was Rinne not selected for the all star team?
28Ws (9 in a row), league leader has 30
.925Sv%
I stumbled onto Halak who has been gangbusters for STL this season since Elliott has begun to come back down to reality slowly.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 31, 2012 9:00 AM EST up reply actions
Because they
a) originally needed 1 player per team (Quick)
b) needed an even number of East and West goalies (Price)
c) he didn’t have those 9 wins in a row when they picked the team, and no goalies dropped out
The First Certified Grabbo Lover
Even if the Leafs can repeat that 33-game run from last season, they would still only end up with 97 points – enough to make the postseason, sure, but not by any huge margin.
Given how many games the Leafs have left against teams currently above them in the standings, if they went on such a run, I do believe they would comfortably be sitting in atleast 6th place.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 31, 2012 8:03 AM EST reply actions
Sign me up. I think 6th place this year is going to be the desired finish this year for any team in the East. I’d prefer it over 5th.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 31, 2012 8:15 AM EST up reply actions
Why do I care how big the margin by which they get into the playoffs is?
That's "Da-ooo". Like the drink.
you might care, if it means facing Washington instead of Boston.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 31, 2012 8:51 AM EST up reply actions
Because 6th is the dream playoff spot this year. Get to play whoever wins the SE.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 31, 2012 8:54 AM EST up reply actions
Mirtle
is doing his objective diligence, but it’s not as bad as it seems. The competition is pretty weak, and we actually have a better chance of finishing 4-8 than Florida does at this point
Things we cannot do: lose games to Florida, Winnipeg, Montreal, Washington and Ottawa.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 31, 2012 9:06 AM EST up reply actions
lose games to Florida, Winnipeg, Montreal, Washington and Ottawa
Yet I feel like that’s all we’ve been doing all season.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 31, 2012 9:14 AM EST up reply actions
I actually think this may be one of those years when a team – us – gets in with fewer points.
All we have to do is beat one of Florida, Washington, New Jersey or Washington, right? None of them are on a tear, none have a positive goal differential, and none are actually really good hockey teams.
My prediction is that one of them – at least – dive-bombs, and somebody sneaks in with fewer points.
[Note: I hate these play-off odds-making machines and points-necessary calculators. They all look so professional… until you lift the hood. I mean, the one you linked – that I visit as well – shows 9 teams with >50% odds. Hell, 8 teams are above 70%! Oh well……]
I shot a moose once, in upstate New York.
by not norm ullman on Jan 31, 2012 9:17 AM EST up reply actions
And yet, from a probabalistic standpoint, they're all true.
They start becoming more useful when there are less games left to be played. As of now, each game can swing the % like 6-8%. Pretty nuts.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 31, 2012 9:19 AM EST up reply actions
But it’s not the objective probabilities.
It’s a guy who puts together some variables that HE thinks are important, and weights them the way HE thinks is appropriate, and clearly, there’s a few bugs in the machine. Orrrr…. refinements he can make.
As you say, it gets more useful the closer we get to the finishing line.
As an aside, has anybody gone back and looked at the site and tracked how it performed, with hindsight?
I shot a moose once, in upstate New York.
by not norm ullman on Jan 31, 2012 9:37 AM EST up reply actions
I'm pretty comfortable with the model
It is literally running 10,000+ iterations of possible future outcomes for the remainder of the season, summing up the most frequent outcomes and dividing by the total to determine the % of times we make the playoffs.
There aren’t a ton of bugs IMO… just how you interpret the results.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 31, 2012 9:39 AM EST up reply actions
9 teams above 50%. Howzat?
I shot a moose once, in upstate New York.
by not norm ullman on Jan 31, 2012 9:43 AM EST up reply actions
See, as I said below, you’re reading it as if anything > 50% chance = playoffs!!!
Mathematically that’s not correct. For each team in that category, there are >50% of scenarios where they make the playoffs.
Some of those scenarios have Boston/Philly falling out (obviously <5% chance). Others have NYI going 30 wins. Unlikely, but mathematically possible. The sum total of those scenarios leads to a number of bubble teams all having playoff positions in >50% of circumstances.
If you look at the details near the bottom, you can see the # of iterations of each scenario. Kind of cool stuff.
The % probabilities start making more “intuitive” sense when there are much less games played.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 31, 2012 9:50 AM EST up reply actions
yeah, over the next few weeks we’ll see those unlikely possibilities eliminated, which should give a clearer picture of playoff odds for the bubble teams.
by Goosemonster on Jan 31, 2012 9:52 AM EST up reply actions
Not reading it incorrectly as far as I can see.
It’s presented as teams chances of making the playoffs. And the average total % chances add to over 50%. If his scenarios throw up those results, then they should be adjusted.
After all, if there was a lottery, and 15 players were in, and the Government told you that 8 of them had better than 50% chances, plus, the total % chances added up to well over 15 × 50%, what would you say?
I’d say their math was wrong. OR…. they needed to present it a different way, with different wording.
Not trying to harsh on the guy, it’s a fun site, but it’s called “your team’s chances of making the playoffs.”
I shot a moose once, in upstate New York.
by not norm ullman on Jan 31, 2012 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
Their math isn't wrong.
Based on what we know now (and assumptions made), those probabilities are fine.
Sum up all the % probabilities of making the playoffs for all teams, it adds to 1600% (16 teams making the playoffs)
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 31, 2012 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
It’s the distribution of those %s that may seem confusing.
The math is absolutely fine.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 31, 2012 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
No, it isn’t. I just added them again.
For the Eastern Conference (since playoff spots are awarded by Conference), it totals 8000 percentage points. Which, divided over 15 teams, is a 53.3% chance for each.
The numbers just changed in the last hour or so, but they were similarly at 8000 earlier.
I shot a moose once, in upstate New York.
by not norm ullman on Jan 31, 2012 1:50 PM EST up reply actions
ok
I shot a moose once, in upstate New York.
by not norm ullman on Jan 31, 2012 1:55 PM EST up reply actions
ok
I shot a moose once, in upstate New York.
by not norm ullman on Jan 31, 2012 1:55 PM EST up reply actions
smart arse.
I shot a moose once, in upstate New York.
by not norm ullman on Jan 31, 2012 1:59 PM EST up reply actions
8000% / 8 playoff berths = 100% chance that 8 teams will qualify for the post-season.
It’s true that each team has great than a 50% chance to get into the playoffs (all else being equal) because more than 50% of the teams actually do make the playoffs.
The plural of "anecdote" is not "data".
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by Draglikepull on Jan 31, 2012 1:52 PM EST up reply actions
Wait, sorry, it should be 800%. Hmm. There’s got to be a decimal place off in not norm’s numbers somewhere.
The plural of "anecdote" is not "data".
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by Draglikepull on Jan 31, 2012 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
ok
I shot a moose once, in upstate New York.
by not norm ullman on Jan 31, 2012 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
ok
I shot a moose once, in upstate New York.
by not norm ullman on Jan 31, 2012 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
They will always be at 8000 for each conference
If you want to think about it that way, 53% of teams in each conference DO make the playoffs
8/15 = 53%
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 31, 2012 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
my bad. brain returned for repairs.
ok, i get it.
my screw-up.
it just looks completely weird to see that 8 teams already have a 70% chance of making the playoffs, plus a 9th at >50%.
That said, as the guy says, it doesn’t include injuries, and team confidence and all that, so no matter what…. PLAYOFFS!!!
I shot a moose once, in upstate New York.
by not norm ullman on Jan 31, 2012 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
And also, so long as we’re part of that 53%, I’m ok….
I shot a moose once, in upstate New York.
by not norm ullman on Jan 31, 2012 1:59 PM EST up reply actions
That said, as the guy says, it doesn’t include injuries, and team confidence and all that
Math isn’t THAT good….yet.
One day it will predict deadline-day trades.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 31, 2012 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
They have already beaten them once.
Fairweather fans can go to hell
Equal oppurtunity asshole and a proud member of the PPPPP
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Well we do have to beat both the Washington Capitals and the Washington Capitalols.
by Goosemonster on Jan 31, 2012 9:36 AM EST up reply actions
Capitols?

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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 31, 2012 10:06 AM EST up reply actions
Meant to say Ottawa (who I still think has a major collapse coming.)
Dammit though. My first mistake this year. In fact, my first mistake since 1987.
Helluva streak, down the shitter.
I shot a moose once, in upstate New York.
by not norm ullman on Jan 31, 2012 9:34 AM EST up reply actions
i prefer the stats machines to just looking at the standings, not because i think that ‘70%’ means 70% in reality, but it gives me a better sense of the relative chances of each team.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 31, 2012 9:21 AM EST up reply actions
70% does mean 70%… I just think people see 70% > 50% = playoffs!!!
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 31, 2012 9:24 AM EST up reply actions
oh yeah. i know. i’m not one of those though.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 31, 2012 9:25 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah based on how awful the SE division is this year, it feels like it could be like that year philly got in with 88 points…at least that’s what I’m telling myself to make me feel better about our playoff chances
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by Chi-town leafs on Jan 31, 2012 9:22 AM EST up reply actions
It’s pretty hillarious. What was it, two years ago when all the bubble teams in the East kept losing? Montreal lost their last three games, but because of the final game against the Leafs going to OT (which Phaneuf won), they still squeked in. Something like 89 points. I wouldn’t be surprised to see something similar (but I hope on all things holy that the Leafs aren’t losing games in the final two weeks!)
All we have to do is beat one of Florida, Washington, New Jersey or Washington, right?
This is exactly how I’m thinking about it. We need to be one game better than one of those teams. I think Ottawa will fall during the 2nd half as well. I’d put the odds of the Leafs making the playoffs at closer to 60-65%.
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by Draglikepull on Jan 31, 2012 10:22 AM EST up reply actions
Anything better than a coinflip at the ASG has to be considered pretty on par with season expectations.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 31, 2012 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
There are just so many variable to project forward. Especially with the trade deadline approaching.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 31, 2012 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
0-2, 2-1,2-1, 1-1, 1-2
Leafs record against those teams a combined 6-7
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this gives me a huge sad.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 31, 2012 9:24 AM EST up reply actions
One of the most annoying things is how infrequently we seem to force OT against ANYBODY. A couple of points here and there would be miraculous for us. Meanwhile, how many times have Floriday, NJ, OTT, etc gone to OT in their games?
s •
Sounds like it’s time for Reimer to go full Optimus Reim.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 31, 2012 9:25 AM EST up reply actions
or Gus to go full sex panther (the way Wilson has been playing him)
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by Chi-town leafs on Jan 31, 2012 9:27 AM EST up reply actions
Mirtle is doing his objective diligence
Does anyone else feel a sort of contempt sneaking into Mirtle’s leaf articles over this past year? While I’m thankful he’s a hockey fan, he’s definetely not a Leafs fan. Maybe the excitement of covering the most high profile hockey market in the world must be fading for him?
Maybe it’s just a reflection of my own growing dread about the remaining third of the season, but I could use a beat writer with a bit more optimism at times.
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by Peter de Chatham on Jan 31, 2012 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
Mirtle reminds us that there isn’t nearly as much reason to be optimistic as we think there is.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 31, 2012 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
We’re Leafs fans. This ‘optimism’ thing is new for us. We’re still a little shaky.
In the court of public opinion, Steve Simmons is Lionel Hutz.
I still haven’t quite grasped the concept. I remember being optimistic back in the early 2000s, but now it seems but a fleeting dream on which I cast my gaze while standing on the shore watching the playoff ships sail to other cities.
by Goosemonster on Jan 31, 2012 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
So you’d like someone who doesn’t give you the objective truth if it doesn’t make you feel good?
This is why Fox News exists.
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My first impression reading some of these comments is people want a giant homer writing about the team.
The whole point of the story is they can’t play like crap and make the playoffs. They have to be at least as good as they were pre-all-star break and likely a little bit better.
That’s just indisputable.
All hockey all the time at The Globe and Mail
Mirtle’s turning into the lame-stream media.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 31, 2012 9:26 AM EST up reply actions
your’e the one who called him stupid stupid.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 31, 2012 9:28 AM EST up reply actions
He meant “Stupid” in the “smart” sense.
It’s like Yin/Yang. Each stupid carries deep within its heart a seed of smart.
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by not norm ullman on Jan 31, 2012 9:39 AM EST up reply actions
This site needs top 25 ranked media sources and reporters by quality of their analysis and objectivity. Mirtle near the top and Healy and Cox near the bottom. Though I’m curious were Cherry, Friedman etc would end up.
Friedman is right near the top.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 31, 2012 9:49 AM EST up reply actions
I’m assuming Cherry is at the bottom considering he doesn’t break stories.
Dion Phaneuf: turning the tunes up since '10
Siegal would probably be near the top too
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by Chi-town leafs on Jan 31, 2012 9:52 AM EST up reply actions
Sean Fitzgerald does great work as well.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 31, 2012 9:53 AM EST up reply actions
A quick list of my favourites off the top of my head:
1) McKenzie
2) Mirtle
3) Siegal
4) Friedman
5) Dreger
Who am I missing?
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If you’re following those 5 it doesn’t fucking matter who else you follow, really.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 31, 2012 9:56 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Sean Fitzegerald, Bruce Arthur as well. Especially Sean he writes a lot about the Leafs and interacts really well.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 31, 2012 9:59 AM EST up reply actions
Don’t forget DGB… best mittenstringer there is!
by WizardofNaz on Jan 31, 2012 11:00 AM EST up reply actions
My favourites are MacKenzie, Siegel, Mirtle, and Friedman.
I am a fan of Dreger, LeBrun and a couple others too but they are not as good..
About time that people finally realized how awesome Gunnar is...
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Lebrun and Dreger are good for insider-type info – rumours, league chatter and such.
Mirtle and Siegel have good theme pieces with good data backing things up.
Friendman has the most interesting angle on issues.
Friedman also appears to be the most genuine of them all. As in, not douchey
Professional cusser causer.
by T is for Truculence on Jan 31, 2012 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
When PPP, Skinny, puckurgently and I got to go into the post game presser after the Leafs-Caps game I introduced myself to Elliotte Friedman who despite it being late and having work to do was pretty nice to us.
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Yeah, Mirtle’s a good guy as well. JP and I had beers with him in London after the rookie tournament. All the other MSM guys were at the other end of the bar.
He’s super tall and really into Metal.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 31, 2012 1:04 PM EST up reply actions
Only very specific kinds of metal, though. I tried recommending Isis to him and he said he doesn’t listen to metal bands that don’t have good singers.
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by Draglikepull on Jan 31, 2012 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
Top 25 over 25 IQ?
At least it's not Lebda.
by Nifty Mittens on Jan 31, 2012 9:54 AM EST up reply actions
this is a great idea.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 31, 2012 10:06 AM EST up reply actions
But as was brought up on Twitter yesterday, the overall mediocrity of the East, and the struggles of Washington, are making for a tighter playoff race. It’s basically shaping up to be the Western Conference last year where there was just a big collection of ‘meh’ teams fighting for spots 5-8.
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I love that 'Meh' is a huge upgrade for the Leafs
WOOOO MEH
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 31, 2012 9:33 AM EST up reply actions
Fun fact:
McKegg’s scoring pace with his new team is better then Nail Yakupov’s.
McKegg 2 points per game over 11 games
Nail 1.89 points per game 29 games
At least it's not Lebda.
How dare you ruin my fun on Dion day
At least it's not Lebda.
by Nifty Mittens on Jan 31, 2012 8:28 AM EST up reply actions
Fun Fact: McKegg’s secret weapon is “the stink bomb” – sits in front of the goalie a la Spezza and lets one go, distracting the keeper and then tossing the puck into the net.
by Goosemonster on Jan 31, 2012 8:29 AM EST up reply actions
Do the refs make this face?
At least it's not Lebda.
by Nifty Mittens on Jan 31, 2012 8:32 AM EST up reply actions
i know
it’s too early for this, but i had to. Sorry guys.

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Monaluckahiki means hockey in Hawaiian.
by OffTheChest on Jan 31, 2012 8:40 AM EST reply actions 5 recs
Fantastic.
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I see nothing
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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re-reading the thread
I forgot about this glorious gif,

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by leafer1984 on Jan 31, 2012 9:11 AM EST reply actions 5 recs
Best gif.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 31, 2012 9:28 AM EST up reply actions
Agreed.
Someone here posted a story about Ric Flair’s life and financial woes a few weeks ago. I read it while travelling, it’s pretty f-ing crazy.
That's "Da-ooo". Like the drink.
Yeah it really is. Professional Wrestling is full of crazy heartbreaking stories and that’s for the guys who were famous and successful.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 31, 2012 9:39 AM EST up reply actions
I was over at my brothers place on the weekend and we came across “WWE Vintage” on The Score. Just counting all the guys that are dead, was probably the most depressing thing I’ve seen in awhile, especially cause some of these events weren’t even 10-15 years old.
If you look up "Loyalty" in the dictionary you'll see a picture of a Leafs fan wearing a Todd Gill jeresy looking like he just got punched in the stomach
If you haven’t read all of The Masked Man’s Dead Wrestler of the Weeks over at Deadspin, there goes the rest of your day.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 31, 2012 9:48 AM EST up reply actions
forgot about this one too

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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 31, 2012 10:03 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
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Monaluckahiki means hockey in Hawaiian.
by OffTheChest on Jan 31, 2012 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
Better version

Flugenweb, space code, twit zone, ass mode, check ze tweets.
by Shield on Jan 31, 2012 11:30 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Size matters.
At least it's not Lebda.
by Nifty Mittens on Jan 31, 2012 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
Listening to backhand shelf podcast, and I completely agree.
For all the 16yo girl, smoking jokes, I loved Carey Price in the asg. He was really cool.
Oh yeah, he was the highlight for me. Watching him make the save facing the glass was the best part.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 31, 2012 9:52 AM EST up reply actions
I still don’t know where either of those jokes came from.
by Goosemonster on Jan 31, 2012 9:52 AM EST up reply actions
Carey Price rocked the ASG hard.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 31, 2012 9:57 AM EST up reply actions
Same. He was great. Yesterday my brother and I had an afternoon with nothing to do, so obviously we made custom teams on NHL 12 and did a fantasy draft for players so we could have an epic tournament for glory. I picked Price as my third goalie (though he’s never getting in over Lundqvist and Rinne).
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by FiftyMissionCap on Jan 31, 2012 9:56 AM EST reply actions
Darren Dreger said last night that he thinks Holmgren and Burke will meet again over a potential JVR for Gunnarsson/Schenn swap.
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Dislike.
/GoForCouturier
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 31, 2012 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
Couturier at 18 is also playing 2:00+ per game on the PK
1C potential.
He’d cost like infinity though.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 31, 2012 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
yes he would. But I’d rather him than JVR. He’s a 6’4 centre. Him and Colborne centring two different lines? Yes please.
by Goosemonster on Jan 31, 2012 10:37 AM EST up reply actions
James van Riemsdyk
Position: LW
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 31, 2012 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
the “he” refered to Couturier. hence, I’d rather “him” than JVR. I know JVR is a winger.
by Goosemonster on Jan 31, 2012 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
Grammar is hard for me.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 31, 2012 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
Is JVR’s concussion healed?
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by Chi-town leafs on Jan 31, 2012 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
JVR still has concussion issues and Carter is out with a separated shoulder. These are the 2 names that keep coming up.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Jan 31, 2012 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
We got Kessel on the IR. Things will work out
Right…?
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"
by Matt_Roberts on Jan 31, 2012 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
So torn over this one.
I think I’m just clinging to Schenn’s potential upside. He may never reach it, but if he does oh boy.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 31, 2012 10:29 AM EST up reply actions
I’m kind of a proponent of the buy low/sell high theory… and I think with Schenn we’d be selling low
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by Chi-town leafs on Jan 31, 2012 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
Burke won’t sell low, me thinks. His track record doesn’t show it. He could have sold low on Kaberle last summer but he held onto him because he didnt get the right offer.
by Goosemonster on Jan 31, 2012 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
I'm more confused why people are so obsessed with JvR.
Take away his #2 pick status – what do you have? A decent 22 year old prospect
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 31, 2012 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
Well the upside that comes with the #2 pick status. Plus last year in the playoffs he showed he could be the kind of player that can just take over and dominate a game.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 31, 2012 10:31 AM EST up reply actions
he was an elite player in the NCAA at 18.
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Okay he got 20 goals when he was 21, that’s good.
But does he really have crazy potential? I dunno, I don’t watch the Flyers enough.
Where’s Ubiquitus when you need him
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 31, 2012 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
He’s everywhere, man.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 31, 2012 10:33 AM EST up reply actions 12 recs
Clever.
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by Draglikepull on Jan 31, 2012 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
/slow clap
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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I rec it no matter how many times I hear it.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 31, 2012 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
Only the second time I’ve made the joke, but when someone asks the question I have to respond that way.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 31, 2012 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
So did Tyler Ennis but you wouldn’t trade Schenn for him.
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by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 31, 2012 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
In Windsor we call them dwarfs. And we throw them, apparently.*
http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/01/29/dwarf-tossing-at-windsor-strip-club-draws-fans-critics/
Funny thing, my roommate’s sister wrote that article.
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by CanadianMaple09 on Jan 31, 2012 12:18 PM EST up reply actions
I guess you could use the word “decent.” Players in their first through third seasons who’ve put up between .45 and .55 PPG (JVR is at .51 right now), in similar ice time :
Penner
Lucic
Petr Prucha
(JVR)
Dustin Brown
Lupul
Dubinsky
Malone
Wilson
Two thoughts: One, this list could probably be called “the Brian Burke love-fest”. Two, JVR probably has the potential to play the first line power forward left wing. In short, be a replacement for when Joffrey Lupul stops scoring at an unsustainable clip. My concern would be that his O-zone starts are pretty ridiculous (63.0%), but his O-zone finish is still pretty good, considering (54.5%), and he is second on the Flyers for Corsi rel QoC. And it’s not like he’s spending a ton of time with Giroux.
I’d say a “good” prospect, more than a decent one. I’d also say that we could use another first-line potential talent. I’m not sure I’d be ready to give up on Schenn though, and I’d only want Gunnarsson going out if Burke feels that he has a good shot at Suter in the offseason (he probably doesn’t), or a stopgap defensive defenseman coming to replace him. Without one of those replacement plans, we’re probably throwing away this season.
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by Bower Power on Jan 31, 2012 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
The Leafs probably need to move out two bodies on defense before next season. If they can get a guy who can be a first line player in a year or two, see-ya Schenn.
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I still love Schenn (and pretty much anyone wears a Leaf jersey) and think his upside is big, but trading him for a unicorn does fit in with the OLAS thing.
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It’s also possible the Leafs won’t find a dance partner for a big deal. In that case, they’ve have to move some bodies out. Wondering who goes then.
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Lombardi for a pick
/pleasepleaseplease
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by nhlcheapshot on Jan 31, 2012 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
Or Armstrong, or Komi
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by Chi-town leafs on Jan 31, 2012 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
No one will want Armstrong. Relatively high cap hit for a player like him, perenially injured.
by Goosemonster on Jan 31, 2012 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
We thought no one would take Toskala or Blake… but 2 years ago today…
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by Chi-town leafs on Jan 31, 2012 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
OK, so we can trade Armstrong, but only if we take back another over-paid player like we did in the Giguere deal? Not really what the Leafs need right now.
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by Draglikepull on Jan 31, 2012 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
6 months ago as of recently we traded Lebda?
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by Chi-town leafs on Jan 31, 2012 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
Again, by taking on a bad contract. Leafs don’t have the cap room to take on bad contracts anymore.
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by Draglikepull on Jan 31, 2012 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
yeah we need cap space, which is why I see Komi could move before Army. Komi will only be paid 3.5 million but will have a cap hit of 4.5 million – only one more year left. A team might take him.
by Goosemonster on Jan 31, 2012 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
My proposal is actually reasonable
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 31, 2012 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
I think Lombardi may be tradeable during the off-season if he can stay healthy, but health concerns likely make him untradeable right now.
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by Draglikepull on Jan 31, 2012 10:37 AM EST up reply actions
Less so than 30 game Armstrong or Mike “lol” Komisarek
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 31, 2012 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
If there is no big deal then Mac goes in a Versteeg type trade for picks.
Then bring up Frattin on that line
I don’t know about that. One of our problems is secondary scoring, and Clarkey Marc is good at putting up numbers. It’s very possible, but I don’t see it happening without us bringing in another guy who can put up points (e.g. not Frattin, yet)
by Goosemonster on Jan 31, 2012 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
One option would be move Kadri up, give Grabbo and Kuli and Kadri sheltered minutes to get that line putting up points, and have a line of Connolly, Army and Lombardi playing the tough defensive minutes.
by WizardofNaz on Jan 31, 2012 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
I think Kadri, if he is not traded (and I hope he isnt unless its a young unicorn coming back), will be on this team next year from the beginning, and I think he has real top 6 potential. I see him easily fitting into a solid second line.
by Goosemonster on Jan 31, 2012 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
I was talking about this year if we moved Mac without bringing any more forwards in…
by WizardofNaz on Jan 31, 2012 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
yeah I dont know where that came from. Not enough coffee yet.
by Goosemonster on Jan 31, 2012 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
I think it was actually McKenzie in a seperate interview who said Gunnarsson or Schenn might be on the move, but he didn’t say the Leafs are trying to move them, only that if they want to add an impact player that those two guys are probably their biggest trade chips.
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by Draglikepull on Jan 31, 2012 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
There’s only one player Burke has ever publicly “shopped” (and even then he didn’t admit it), and that’s Kaberle.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 31, 2012 10:37 AM EST up reply actions
if Gunnarsson goes I also want the tea in China. He’s easily been one of our top 2 defenders, he’s on a cheap contract going RFA, and he’s top 4 on almost any team.
by Goosemonster on Jan 31, 2012 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
India makes better tea. I want all the tea in India.
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I’m against trading Gunnarsson unless it’s for:
a) an upgrade on Gunnarsson (ie. Suter); or
b) Getzlaf
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by Draglikepull on Jan 31, 2012 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
I’d accept:
c) a youthful player of potentially comparable to Getzslaf in terms of quality and size in the centre position (e.g. Couturier)
by Goosemonster on Jan 31, 2012 10:57 AM EST up reply actions
Talking about buy low/ sell high, Gunnar is definitely a potential trade chip.
I could see a trade of Gunnar + a marginal /moderate prospect for a Suter because Nashville doesn’t have the money to sign all the players they’re going to need to re-sign but the problem is that our cap situation is quite tenuous.
I think we have about 3 mil in space… getting a Suter type player, which we’d need to replace a number 2 D, is expensive and we’d need to open up space with a trade of Schenn or Komi or maybe Grabbo.
Essentially though I feel that we already have a good cheap Number 2 D in Gunnar and unless Burke can really swing the hammer and make a huge deal with him, its very unlikely he goes anywhere.
Primarily because we need more scoring/ 1C – power forward rather than another big name D
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by Buds'n'Syrup on Jan 31, 2012 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
Nashville is probably not going to trade Suter. If they do, I’d think they could more than Gunnarsson and a marginal prospect for him. On top of that, it sure sounds like Suter is going to test the free agent market. If he does, there’s almost no chance the Leafs sign him.
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If he does [hit UFA], there’s almost no chance the Leafs sign him.
I’m not sure I agree with this. The organization is filled with people Suter has some sort of history with (Burke, now re-signed Wilson, Kessel, Mike Brown) it’s a young, talented team, and he’s guaranteed to be partnered with a Weber-like player in Phaneuf. I think we’d have a decent chance, to be honest. We’d need to move out salary, but if it’s to make room for Suter, yeah, I’d burn assets to gain cap space.
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by Bower Power on Jan 31, 2012 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
During the All Star game it was mentioned that Suter and Parise are good friends and that they might want to play somewhere together. That would be like Lebron and Bosh signing in Miami. Please let this be true and TO the destination.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Jan 31, 2012 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
Don’t want Parise. Too old, too expensive, injuries, etc.
by Goosemonster on Jan 31, 2012 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
although to be fair he just missed the one season. Still, he’s 27. I’d like a younger player to be part of the core.
by Goosemonster on Jan 31, 2012 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
The Leafs window isn’t 5 years from now. It’s in the next 2-3 seasons. All the key players on this team are in their mid-to-late 20’s right now.
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Nothing wrong with continually adding to a solid young core. I don’t think we’ll be a contender in 2 years, if I’m honest. Barring some sort of miracle.
by Goosemonster on Jan 31, 2012 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
then the Leafs should be looking to move guys like Grabovski, Connolly, Lupul, etc.
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pretty much, though as I’ve said before I doubt Lupul goes anywhere, especially not this season. I wouldn’t mind keeping Grabbo, but not at his market rate (e.g. 5+ million)
by Goosemonster on Jan 31, 2012 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
A 5 yr deal for Parise would fit right in. getting his age 27-32 seasons would be a good snag. However I’m guessing he’s going to want a longer deal.
by WizardofNaz on Jan 31, 2012 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
also he costs like 7 million now. He’ll want at least that much. No thanks.
by Goosemonster on Jan 31, 2012 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
Yes thanks. He’s worth that much
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by nhlcheapshot on Jan 31, 2012 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
You would be correct.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 31, 2012 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
Parise is amazing. Burke will talk him into a 5 year deal.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jan 31, 2012 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
This whole “too old” thing is getting out of hand. Just because a player is 27 doesn’t mean they’re an old man and it certainly doesn’t mean their play is going to fall off a cliff when they turn 28. Teams are not going to trade us their 20-22 year old core prospects for our riffraff. To say that the Leafs should ignore players just because they’re older than 24 is ridiculous
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by T is for Truculence on Jan 31, 2012 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
I completely agfree. Its getting crazy.
How many players are even in the league by the time they’re 20-22? Only the elite. Stop this too old bullshit.
by Ben Schnell on Jan 31, 2012 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
I agree. 27-31 is a players prime. We should be wary about buying players seasons when they are over 32. However if seasons 32-35 are part of the price for seasons 27-31 its worth it in the case of starts. However getting seasons say 30-35 of a decent but not great player would be a bad move. Or getting someone seasons 35+
by WizardofNaz on Jan 31, 2012 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
I agree. 27-31 is a players prime.
Most players peak between 24 and 26. There are plenty of good players who are older than that, but most players have their best seasons in their mid-20s.
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by Draglikepull on Jan 31, 2012 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
Sure. But there’s a difference between a player’s “best” season and being able to play at all. Players like Parise are not going to go from 100 to zero in a calendar year.
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by T is for Truculence on Jan 31, 2012 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
I agree. The only player who can have an infinty% drop-off in goals in Scott Gomez.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 31, 2012 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
I think someone has done a post on here before about how for Forwards “prime age” is around 24-30, whereas with Dmen it’s later, like 28-34
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I guess it depends how you define “prime age”. Most players have their best season between 24-26, and then production slowly declines as they age.
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by Draglikepull on Jan 31, 2012 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
See this piece, for example:
http://www.arcticicehockey.com/2010/1/21/1261318/nhl-points-per-game-peak-age
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by Draglikepull on Jan 31, 2012 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
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I have no problem with acquiring players older in their late 20s, I just think we should recognise that they’re unlikely to be as good as they were in their mid-20s.
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by Draglikepull on Jan 31, 2012 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
Right. It’s pretty dangerous to be putting scoring responsibilities on those aged players, and it’s extremely dangerous if we’re giving up assets to do it. If you’re going to move a guy like Schenn, well, you don’t want it to be for an older player – you want to get as much of a young player’s upside as possible.
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by Bower Power on Jan 31, 2012 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
WizardofNaz said it best: acquiring players who are already 30+, especially if it means giving up young players like Schenn, makes no sense. But if we pick up players who are in their mid-20s but are signed through to their 30s, then a case can be made for it
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by T is for Truculence on Jan 31, 2012 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
We all realize players decline after age 31. However good players are still worth it until age 34 or 35. Sure we may be overpaying them a bit then but when we also get ages 27-31totally worth it.
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We all realize players decline after age3126.
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by Draglikepull on Jan 31, 2012 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
Napkin calculations
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Lotsa oldies on that team, Red Kelly was 39, Stanley was 40, Sawchuk was 37, Bower was 42, Armstrong was 36, and Pronovost was 36.
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yes because hockey is the exact same now as it was then.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jan 31, 2012 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
So players who are something better than “Hall of Famer” can contribute positively later in their careers. Neat.
I’d take Sundin, Selanne, Lidstrom, etc on a team now but that doesn’t mean that Brad Richards, Phil Kessel, etc. will contribute at that age.
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Indeed, an ancedote from 1967 proves basically nothing. Interesting tidbit, though.
To me it seems the major dropoff starts somewhere around 32, but the peak can start anywhere beforehand and they’ll be on the downslope well before 32 almost universally.
Also, goalies are weird and age means basically nothing.
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I don’t have the exact data to back this up but I would guess for an average player who starts in the league at 21, they will have a steady increase till age 24 then plateau til age 31 with one or 2 spikes for his “best year(s)” then the steady decline for the rest of his career.
But again, for players like Parise, Nash etc they are declining from a much loftier peak than say, Tuomo Ruutu.
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by T is for Truculence on Jan 31, 2012 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
I already posted a link above that shows this to be untrue. Players don’t (generally) plateau in their late 20s, they decline.
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by Draglikepull on Jan 31, 2012 1:50 PM EST up reply actions
I’m saying the variability is way higher than the difference in means for those ages.
I.E. if you look at the graph you linked… the maximum difference in points for players ages 22-28 is 3.69 points per 82 games. (this average player is posting 34-37 points a season so that’s a 10%-11% difference)
However, players don’t often post year-to-year changes in ppg of less than 10%.
I.E i randomly chose bergeron… here’s his PPG by age.
21: .91
22: 10 gp (.7)
23: .61
24: .71
25: .71
26: .91
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That chart also deals with every player ever I believe and would include one year wonders. However when you go and find the top 10% of forwards I’m sure you’d find a different distribution.
And lets not forget we are mostly talking locking up the top players into deals that go from 27 and on. THAT is the data we need to look at not from the entire NHL including pluggers.
General rules can’t tell you anything about individual players. There will always be guys whose individual arc doesn’t look like the norm (Patrick Sharp is a good example of a guy who’s really come on strong at a later age). If you’re a GM trying to decided what kind of money to offer a player, you have to do some kind of analysis to determine how likely you think that one particular player is to decline. But generally speaking, players (even good players) decline past their mid-20s.
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by Draglikepull on Jan 31, 2012 2:16 PM EST up reply actions
It’s not that the curve is wrong… its just there’s too much variance for it to be useful.
Of course, expecting any UFA to produce like they did when they were 25 is silly….
Though, the money quote is in the comments:
A goaltender’s expected career length is the same whether he’s a 20-year-old rookie or a 27-year-old rookie.
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I think its about risk management – who knows how a player will perform in 3-5 years at any age. But its likely a 24 year old player will perform at or above his age 24 level in ages 25-26 than it is a 28 year old player will at 29-30.
They still have value and can be good players but you risk overpaying for those players based on the year at age 28 than at age 24.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 31, 2012 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
Remember back when UFA age was 30-32 and we all thought it made more sense to acquire players in their mid 20s? It’s interesting that the curve has been pulled forward now that players are hitting UFA when they’re 26
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by T is for Truculence on Jan 31, 2012 2:35 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly
Stats based on players older than 35 are skewed because unless you’re fan-fucking-tastic (Selanne, Lidstrom, Progner, etc…) you’re not going to be playing at that age because you suck.
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all the more reason to almost never have a 35+ contract.
by Goosemonster on Jan 31, 2012 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
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haha I don’t entirely understand the discussion that’s going on up there but I approve
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by T is for Truculence on Jan 31, 2012 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
I meant truely decline. I was pretty sure a player between 23-31 were fairly constant minus one or 2 “peak” years that were higher than the rest. However that it was after 31 that the steady decline began.
For instance Brad Richard had his best season at age 29 followed by his age 25 season and finally his age 30 season. However between his age 22 and 30 season he was fairly consistant aside from those “peak” years. However now that he’s 31 and on his true decline his ppg mark is back around where he was at ages 20 and 21 and it will slowly go down from there if history is any indication.
I guess I just don’t believe we’ll be a contender while those players are still at their peak production. Which is around 26/27.
by Goosemonster on Jan 31, 2012 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
Contenders dont have every one of their players 27 or younger.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jan 31, 2012 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
And there is something to be said about experience, especially on defence
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by T is for Truculence on Jan 31, 2012 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
yes for defense I agree that experience is important, especially when it comes to shut down guys.
by Goosemonster on Jan 31, 2012 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
Parise is incredibly talented and a 2-way player.
If there was any way on Earth that Burke could acquire him I’d probably be for it.
I also don’t think it will happen.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jan 31, 2012 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
very true, but there is no one way to build a contender.
by Goosemonster on Jan 31, 2012 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
Wrong, Parise is amazing
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by nhlcheapshot on Jan 31, 2012 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
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The New York Post is reporting that GMs inquiring about New Jersey Devils captain Zach Parise are being told that he will not be traded before the deadline.
It is believed that if the Devils are unable to sign him to an extension before July 1, when he would become an unrestricted free agent, they will try to shop his negotiating rights.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jan 31, 2012 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
The CBA doesn’t expire until September 15th, which means teams can still throw wacky contracts at UFAs on July 1st. The Leafs will not be one of those teams. A team like the Rangers or the Wings, who have the cap space and have done those kind deals in the past are far likelier bets.
There’s just no way Brian Burke brings in a big star on July 1st if he won’t load up on the term. And he has established that he’s not willing to do that.
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Well, he has used some lawyer talk that suggests Suter may be the kind of player he’s willing to do it for. Suter could probably play 10 more years.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 31, 2012 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 31, 2012 1:02 PM EST up reply actions
Burke has said in the past that he isn’t opposed to long-term deals, just long-tail deals with fake years on the end to lower the cap hit.
I also don’t think we should assume that just because Brad Richards and Ilya Kovalchuk signed retirement contracts that all big UFAs are looking for exactly the same thing.
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by Draglikepull on Jan 31, 2012 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
Players want job security. If the difference is between the Rangers offering a 12 year deal and the Leafs offering a 7 or 8 year deal, I’d guess that, even if the money is similar, most players are taking the deal with New York.
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If all Suter wanted was big money and long term, he probably already would have signed with the Predators.
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by Draglikepull on Jan 31, 2012 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
Richards also knew this was his last shot at a big money deal. Suter and Parise on a 5 year deal would still only be 32 when they become UFA’s again and could sign another big-ish deal. They need a 12 year deal at least to guarentee it taking them to retirement.
by WizardofNaz on Jan 31, 2012 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
Can you show me a deal in recent history where a star UFA took less money or term to sign with a team?
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How would I do this without knowing what other teams offered?
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by Draglikepull on Jan 31, 2012 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
I mean, Joe Thornton took a 3-year deal at $7 million per season from the Sharks, and I’d be willing to bet he could have gotten much more on the open market, but I can’t read other GMs minds.
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by Draglikepull on Jan 31, 2012 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
The point was that it’s not just Richards and Kovalchuk. Teams are locking up almost all of the star players to long-term deals at big money, and the recent top free agents have gotten ludicrous deals.
There’s absolutely no suggestion that Suter prefers Toronto or wants to play in Toronto. However, there is evidence that teams are willing to offer wacky contracts to the top free agents. And they generally take them.
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This is basically a mind-reading game.
“Burke isn’t interested in signing top tier free agents to anything but short-term deals.”
“Ryan Suter wants to to sign with the highest bidder.”
I can’t possibly counter it because I can’t pretend to know what people I’ve never met are thinking.
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by Draglikepull on Jan 31, 2012 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
Isn’t nearly everything we talk about on here a mind-reading game?
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I knew you were going to say that.
I don’t think players sign only with the highest bidder. The city, team, opportunity, and their familes must come into play. However I do think that longer term deals with the guranteed contract offer stability that would be hard for the players to ignore.
I know that these were issues I thought about before taking on my current possition which was at first not the higgest $ offer that I had,
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You mean to sign with a new team? Because it happens to current teams all the time – Gleason just signed for less than market value to stay in Carolina, for example. Not sure why a player would refuse a team’s reasonable offer if they want to be there for some reason.
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by Bower Power on Jan 31, 2012 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
Is there a difference between being a UFA and heading to UFA? You’re either talking about a player who’s hunting money or he isn’t.
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by Bower Power on Jan 31, 2012 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
Ryan Suter says he’s not re-signing before the summer. Is he hunting money?
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That or rings.
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This. My money is he will find a way to acquire both.
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This does make the most sense…
Especially if Nick retires.
by WizardofNaz on Jan 31, 2012 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
That is basically every player’s dream isn’t it?
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by T is for Truculence on Jan 31, 2012 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
He said he’s not re-signing until after the trade deadline. Supposedly him and Suter both want to see what kind of moves the team makes to improve at the deadline.
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by Draglikepull on Jan 31, 2012 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
Honestly? Considering the cash Poile just shelled out for the Pekka Rinne contract? And is trying to shell out for Weber’s? Either Poile was trying to scrimp and save on Suter (dumb), or no, I don’t think Suter’s looking for the cash as much as he is the cup. I think this is doubly true if, as Draglikepull mentioned, he really is willing to sign with the team if Poile makes an improvement at the deadline.
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by Bower Power on Jan 31, 2012 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
I’m pretty sure he’s said publically he prefers to stay in Nashville but wants to see the direction the team takes before signing longterm.
I think both him and Weber are waiting for some sort of move. I would not be surprised if Weber and Suter either both sign or neither signs long term.
by WizardofNaz on Jan 31, 2012 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
Obviously I can’t show where they took less of both.
However a player who is only 27 might be willing to take a shorter term on a higher AAV knowing he can sign his retirement contract later.
For instance say the Preds offered Suter 12/60 (5 mil per aav) and the Leafs offered 5/32.5 (6.5 per aav) Suter might take the Leafs offer knowing/thinking he can still get 7 years worth of contracts worth over 27.5 mil (less than 4mil per) when he’s 32 and a UFA again.
by WizardofNaz on Jan 31, 2012 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
Hossa 1-year w/ Detroit
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by nhlcheapshot on Jan 31, 2012 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
Mats Sundin used to to do it for us all the time didnt he?
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by Matt_Roberts on Jan 31, 2012 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
And he has established that he’s not willing to do that.
By choosing not to top Richards’ and Kovalchuk’s insane deals? Meh.
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by Bower Power on Jan 31, 2012 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
Why wouldn’t a team offer the same type of deal to Suter?
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Someone probably will – I mean, I dont think anyone offers the Kovalchuk deal again, but he’ll probably get a long tail deal on the table. I just think Burke may entertain matching or drawing up a similar offer (if not with a tail, then a similar cash, higher cap hit figure). I also think that based on organizational need, if there’s a player that Burke will bust out the lawyer-speak and backtracking for, it should/would/could be Ryan Suter.
And besides – if the Leafs don’t sign him because Burke chose not to, that’s different to me than having “no chance.” It means we had the chance, and didn’t. From a player’s perspective, I don’t think Suter would say “oh, it’s Toronto? Hang up the phone.”
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by Bower Power on Jan 31, 2012 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
Nobody in hockey has indicated that Ryan Suter has a preference towards Toronto. So I’m basing my argument completely on the idea that the Leafs either can’t or won’t outbid other teams for Suter’s services.
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I haven’t seen any mention of Suter’s preferences, besides his hope to stay in Nashville.
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by Bower Power on Jan 31, 2012 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t believe Glen Sather has enough cap space this season so he won’t be crazy overpaid.
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The Rangers have enough space this summer.
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Wow, they have a ton of space. Del Zotto won’t get much, Wolski is going to come down. They also really need to try and make a run in 2013-14, before Ludnqvist, Girardi, and Gaborik all get re-signed.
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by Bower Power on Jan 31, 2012 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
Wolski is going to come down
RFA. Min QO is $3.8M.
They’ll let him walk.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jan 31, 2012 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
I was anticipating the Christian Hanson special, but yeah, they could just pack his bags.
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by Bower Power on Jan 31, 2012 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
Suter and Kessel are BFFs. Who knows?
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Suter isn’t going anywhere. It’s just not going to happen, NSH has been very clear about that, and they are in a playoffs race.
by Goosemonster on Jan 31, 2012 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
You really think the best Nashville can do is Gunnarsson and a meh prospect? Even if Suter demanded to be traded to the Leafs and only the Leafs (and it’s not like he has a NMC or anything) they would be able to get more than that out of Burke.
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by T is for Truculence on Jan 31, 2012 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
They could probably get a first for his UFA rights.
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might be stretching it. Who would trade a first without a guarantee he won’t test the free market?
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All I was saying
Is that essentially, Gunnar is too valuable to us to be going anywhere unless its hugely beneficial to us.
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by Buds'n'Syrup on Jan 31, 2012 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
Gunnarsson is one of those players who is much more valuable to the Leafs than another team. He does many things well, but is not particularly exceptional in any one specific facet of the game. This makes him a versatile, useful piece, but every team thinks they have a defenseman in the system who can do the same thing.
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by T is for Truculence on Jan 31, 2012 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
except perhaps a team with the deepest of defense (e.g. NSH?)
by Goosemonster on Jan 31, 2012 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
Suter is gone soon.
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They lost Dan Hamhuis for nothing I can’t see them letting Suter walk for free too. Terrible asset management if they aren’t a top 5 contender for the cup this yr.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Jan 31, 2012 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
Nashville’s defense isn’t that deep.
They have one of, if not the best parings in the game in Weber & Suter. But outside of that, it ain’t all that great. Blum and Ellis have great potential, but they could use a guy like Gunnarson to round things out.
It’s not just his actual play, but also his cap hit. If he was making $4 million a year it would make a lot more sense to trade him, but at under $2 million a year he’s an absolute steal. Having good players on below-value contracts is a big advantage in a cap system.
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by Draglikepull on Jan 31, 2012 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
One year left, then he’s an RFA, he’ll get a raise soon enough.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 31, 2012 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
So give him a raise in a year. He’ll have earned it, and we have virtually no one signed past next season. He still provides good value for the next year and a half, and he’s still RFA after that.
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by Draglikepull on Jan 31, 2012 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
Dreger said the above last night on C & Company
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What I heard Dreger say was that the Leafs are still interested in JVR and that Gleason coming off the market may bring Burke and Holmgren together again to talk trade. I don’t think he named Gunnarsson or Schenn specifically.
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by Draglikepull on Jan 31, 2012 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
ahhm
the guy on the right is available

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Monaluckahiki means hockey in Hawaiian.
$5 says they are all 4 beers deep
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you’d have to be to watch an Eagles game, wouldn’t you?
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 31, 2012 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
That is disrespectful!
They are hockey players they’d be at least 8 deep.
by WizardofNaz on Jan 31, 2012 11:11 AM EST up reply actions
It looks pre-game, and since I doubt that they were out in the parking lot tailgating… I doubt they were 8 beers deep… once they went up to the luxury box all bets are off though
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by Chi-town leafs on Jan 31, 2012 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
Ahh and here I was thinking it was postgame and they had just come from the luxury box. 8 over the course of one football game would’ve been light drinking.
by WizardofNaz on Jan 31, 2012 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
Depends… if those are field passes they’re wearing that allow them to watch 1 or more quarters from the sideline, you can’t drink on the sideline… which is one less quarter you can drink.
My dad once had a quarter long sideline pass to a college football game, apparently it’s about the most fun you can have, minus having to watch out for players get tackled out of bounds
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by Chi-town leafs on Jan 31, 2012 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
I was pretty jealous, that’s a trade I’m willing to make 10 times out of 10… especially since he was down in the red zone
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by Chi-town leafs on Jan 31, 2012 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
Not that he’s available at all, but would anyone else be Ok with getting Hartnell? Depending on cost of course (which would be fairly high based on this season)
I liked him enough during the ASG, and he certainly has truculence…. but I’m not so sure I’d want him.
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by Chi-town leafs on Jan 31, 2012 10:46 AM EST reply actions
He’s a pretty consistent performer having a career year. Would cost way to much, and this is likely his peak.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 31, 2012 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
Kind of what I thought, that he’d cost too much since he’s having a career year.
Otherwise, he wouldn’t be too bad
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by Chi-town leafs on Jan 31, 2012 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
Well he is getting older as well. One more year left on his deal. Not ideal, but in a vacuum I’d love him on this team.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 31, 2012 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
I’d take him in a mop or a broom even.
That's "Da-ooo". Like the drink.
by daoust on Jan 31, 2012 12:53 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
That’s gold.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 31, 2012 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
Trade you your crummy old Hartnel for my tasty new Dupuis.
At least it's not Lebda.
by Nifty Mittens on Jan 31, 2012 10:53 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The waiting is theworsthardest part
Fixed to work with the Tom Petty song
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by Chi-town leafs on Jan 31, 2012 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
I hope the Leafs win all the games. All of them.
by PhilSpecter on Jan 31, 2012 11:13 AM EST reply actions 8 recs
why
not blue-green yet?
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by Buds'n'Syrup on Jan 31, 2012 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
blue green orange

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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 31, 2012 1:59 PM EST up reply actions
wow I Mother Earth. Did not expect that.
by Goosemonster on Jan 31, 2012 1:59 PM EST up reply actions
i used to be a huge fan. Jag was my idol.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 31, 2012 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
I’m not sure if that’s more or less embarrassing than the fact that I loved Duran Duran when I was 7.
That's "Da-ooo". Like the drink.
Go feel shame.
And never again be hungry like a wolf.
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by not norm ullman on Jan 31, 2012 2:16 PM EST up reply actions
well i was about 15 at the time, so I’m assuming more.
Scenery & Fish was actually a fantastic album. The stuff that got played on the radio was the worst of it by a landslide.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 31, 2012 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
Of note is that IME is reuniting for a show at the Sound Academy I think. If I was anywhere near Toronto I would definitely go:
http://www.ticketmaster.com/I-Mother-Earth-tickets/artist/774379
No one ever suspects the butterfly...
yeah, i just saw that. i would probably go if i were still inToronto as well.
the show’s sold out though.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 31, 2012 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
It doesn’t have Edwin, so fuck them.
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Edwin is a dick. I met all the guys in the band and he was the only one who seemed to have an ego of any kind.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 31, 2012 3:12 PM EST up reply actions
He is better than Brian Byrne.
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Brian was funny though. i was talking to him at the urinal after a show one time. he was really nice.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 31, 2012 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
(.)(.)

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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Jan 31, 2012 11:16 AM EST up reply actions 7 recs
Just putting this out there.
I love a Tomas Plekanec in a leafs uniform…
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Playoff number crunching for Canadian contingent
37 points in 33 games doesn’t seem too daunting.
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It is certainly doable. That being said the Leafs need to acquire as much points as possible before March. The schedule in March is a killer and with the pressure on them it might be difficult for them to squeeze the points.
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Leafs need Capitals to regain form and trounce Florida a few times.
Good news is that the Devils has several matchups against the Flyers, Rangers, and Penguins to knock them down a bit.
The most important games are the ones we have against the Sens.
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BIngo. Leafs need to win both those are big 4 points
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win the next three and we’re a point ahead of the Sens with the same number of games played.
by Goosemonster on Jan 31, 2012 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
And that third game is against Ottawa as well, so we’d still be in hand
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by BetterThanBester on Jan 31, 2012 12:46 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
It’s the Toronto Maple Leafs. You’ve just doomed us to 36 points in 33 games after a Phil Kessel clear goal isn’t noticed and the team that will finish one spot ahead of us scores on the rush the other way.
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by Chemmy on Jan 31, 2012 12:00 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
James Mirtle @mirtle
Fleury starts in goal tonight. Gustavsson for Toronto.
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Gustavsson starts in goal tonight. Pittsburgh expects to score a Fleury.
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by Draglikepull on Jan 31, 2012 11:50 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Something I learned today, waka flocka has a fozzie bear chain.
by Tickle Me Aulie on Jan 31, 2012 2:23 PM EST up reply actions
I have both of them on my fantasy team… along with Niemi playing Columbus tonight.
Now obviously Niemi vs CBJ is the easy one to play. And I’ve decided I have to sit the other 2 instead of playing one of them.
My head says starting Gus would hurt because of how hot Malkin is right now, however my heart says starting Fleury would suck even worse because the Leafs are going to win!
Hence neither get chosen.
That means its going to be a 1-0 game.
by WizardofNaz on Jan 31, 2012 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
I have Anderson and Thomas and I’m HOPING that Boston wins because I played Thomas instead of playing both… I also have Gus so leafs better win too. I hate when my fandom gets in the way of my fantasy stats.
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by Buds'n'Syrup on Jan 31, 2012 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
To be fair I could’ve sat all my goalies for the rest of the week and won 3/4 of the categories easily. Because its the 2 weeks combined because of the ASG I have the min 3GP already. In those 3 games I have 3 wins 2 of them shutouts and Fleury let in one goal. I have a 0.65 GAA and a .976 sv%. The guy I’m playing has 0 wins a 3.02 and a .872. I think I’m safe.
by WizardofNaz on Jan 31, 2012 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
Why You Think Your Team Plays Better Than It Actually Does
http://gizmodo.com/5880857/why-you-think-your-team-plays-better-than-it-actually-does
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We write better articles…
At least it's not Lebda.
by Nifty Mittens on Jan 31, 2012 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
The other hand got all the calls from the ref.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 31, 2012 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
people also value the stuff they already have over the stuff they don’t. which impacts our reactions to trades.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 31, 2012 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
Absolutely. I’ll have to drag out the post I did about the endowment effect over the summer and give it a trade deadline polish.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 31, 2012 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
A little Leafs week preview
and some Ottawa trolling here
by pho king awesome on Jan 31, 2012 12:17 PM EST reply actions
Oh snap
http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2012/01/30/hey-look-steve-bernier-is-back-in-the-nhl/
BERNIER
No no, dig UP stupid.
He’s just getting ready to take the league by storm.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 31, 2012 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
Saw that on twitter last night and thought of you.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 31, 2012 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
Liles doesn't think he has a concussion
Per Jonas Siegal:
http://www.tsn.ca/toronto/blogs/jonas_siegel/?id=386498
-"I'm not drinking and driving, I'm driving while I'm drinking....Right boys!?"
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No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 31, 2012 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
So since we’ve had a while to get used to it, how does everybody feel about our new goal song this season?
I miss the old one, even though other teams(like Boston) used it. The new one is too happy sounding. It should be more fuck-yeah-in-your-face-let’s-do-it-again sounding.
Leaf fan in Ottawa.
I like when we score goals
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better goal song = more goals. fact.
Leaf fan in Ottawa.
by joe leaf fan on Jan 31, 2012 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
then clearly the players like this song. which means I am all for it
-"I'm not drinking and driving, I'm driving while I'm drinking....Right boys!?"
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it makes for more pleasant post-game threads, thats for sure.
by Goosemonster on Jan 31, 2012 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
The result of the previous game pretty much sets my mood until the next one.
Leaf fan in Ottawa.
by joe leaf fan on Jan 31, 2012 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
usually if we lose a stinker we descend into anger and drunk posts. I am implicated in such things as well.
by Goosemonster on Jan 31, 2012 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
It grew on me when we started scoring in bunches and Kessel and Phaneuf jumped into each other’s arms.
I bought a signed picture of that shot at the All Star Fan Fair. I look at it every 15 seconds and smile.
Leaf fan in Ottawa.
by joe leaf fan on Jan 31, 2012 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
I like it. I find that whenever we score, even on the road, this song pops into my head now. I also get happy whenever I hear it, even if it’s not after a Leafs goal. It’s not the best or most original song ever, but at least it’s catchy and happy.
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I haven’t heard Heave Away all year, do they still play it after we win a home game?
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Nope
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This is the only thing I care about. I barely notice the goal song because I’m usually yelling. Heave Away was one of the best parts of Leafs wins, and now it’s gone because people make terrible decisions.
In the court of public opinion, Steve Simmons is Lionel Hutz.
I like “The Whip”. They could play Justin bieber for all I care tho, a win is a win
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Fucking awful but the important part is the act of scoring goals.
As a Toronto sports fan I proudly follow the lessons of lachrymology.
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by Redonred on Jan 31, 2012 1:30 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Game Preview is up
as i get older
it’s getting harder and harder for me to have a beer at lunch without feeling like I need to have a nap under my desk afterwards.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 31, 2012 2:22 PM EST reply actions
I wouldn’t mind having a nap every day after lunch. For the life of me I don’t understand why we stop doing this after kindergarten
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by T is for Truculence on Jan 31, 2012 2:26 PM EST up reply actions
for the sake of the economy.
then again, I think some places in Germany do it still…
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 31, 2012 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
I bet Spain does. And they call it a siesta too, so it sounds exotic.
Then again their unemployment rate just hit 23% so it’s probably not the best idea
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by T is for Truculence on Jan 31, 2012 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
It’s a ridiculous idea. "Hey, let’s go take a nap while there are thousands of tourists outside looking for ways to spend money".
That's "Da-ooo". Like the drink.
yeah, i found that as well. then again it’s a great excuse to sleep off a hangover for a few hours, and a way to re-charge your batteries for another night of fun
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 31, 2012 2:35 PM EST up reply actions
Nothing fuels the economy like another night of fun. After all, there’s nothing more fun than fun.
That's "Da-ooo". Like the drink.
Well-said, Ralph, but we’re trying to come up with a name for a toy.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 31, 2012 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
Which is why I only sell FUN!!! brand FUN!!!!™
I’m all about the authenticity.
I shot a moose once, in upstate New York.
by not norm ullman on Jan 31, 2012 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
Do you sell any Artisan Fun?
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 31, 2012 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
Like I said, AUTHENTICITY.
Let’s leave the artists out of this.
I shot a moose once, in upstate New York.
by not norm ullman on Jan 31, 2012 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
I’m almost positive I read a study somewhere that said the early-afternoon nap is incredibly effective at boosting morale and productivity compared to those who do not nap. It may even be in our genes, as our early ancestors would not hunt or farm under the blistering noon-afternoon sun. Naps are good.
If they feel the need to replicate the study I will volunteer myself for science
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by T is for Truculence on Jan 31, 2012 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
They do, in fact, do that in Spain
Lots of places do. Heck, many people did in Vietnam. Those people were nap masters.
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lots of places do, it’s common in the Middle East as well where people don’t really want to go out in the hot sun in the afternoon so nap till the evening and then go about their business.
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Oh yeah, people think it sounds exotic and nice, but it SUCKS.
Usually, afternoon siestas happen in places that are so hot that you can’t do anything other than lie still once the sun is out.
Spent a few weeks working in rural Spain, and it hit 40 most days.
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from what I hear, in Italy August is the worst time to go because nobody works
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I had the same observation
But I was there in May-June.
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Wherever I went, I saw piles of bricks waiting to be used, shovels discarded on the ground, piles of dirt from half-dug holes… it was strange.
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Was this last year? It could have been because they are in financial ruin and have I believe the second largest debt of any G8 nation
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Oh. Then I dunno.
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I was there on my honeymoon in Oct 2004. Same thing.
It’s almost as if their lackadaisacal work ethic is having an impact on the health of their economy.
That's "Da-ooo". Like the drink.
Well, there’s that, the complete inability to collect (or desire to pay) taxes, the crippling (and in some places, corrupt) bureaucracy, a culture that never seems to expect kids to move out of their parents’ places…I mean, I’m actually a little impressed Italy gets anything done, to be honest.
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My predictions for this game:
- Kessel goes full unicorn, lasers take out Fleury.
- Lupul puts his “mirror” jersey on backwards. No one notices.
- Crabb shuffles sideways in front of Fleury and scores a muddy goal in front of the net.
- Steckel, as he does everyday, continues to be Steckelin’.
- The Goose goes into full monster form, consuming Malkin as well as whichever poor Wilkes-Scranton call-up happens to be nearby.
Appropos of nothing:
I just realized I have the same birthday as Joe Colborne. Woohoo?
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by T is for Truculence on Jan 31, 2012 4:09 PM EST reply actions
better than being born on the same day as Milan Lucic.
"I like this one for everything & that one for the chicken" - GeniusInFrench
Toronto: The city that will gladly take your garbage and turn it into gold
Fair point.
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by T is for Truculence on Jan 31, 2012 4:16 PM EST up reply actions
I found out that I share a birthday with Adam Oates. Pretty cool, not gonna lie, but I was happier knowing I also share one with Sgt. Slaughter, and Rick Martel.
If you look up "Loyalty" in the dictionary you'll see a picture of a Leafs fan wearing a Todd Gill jeresy looking like he just got punched in the stomach
William fuckin Shatner
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DAMMIT I TOTALLY FORGOT ABOUT THIS
#KHL CSKA demoted Nikita Filatov to the MHL (junior team). What a change of events for him. #Sens
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA
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Correction:
3rd round pick.
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He meant overall when he was drafted by Columbus
If you look up "Loyalty" in the dictionary you'll see a picture of a Leafs fan wearing a Todd Gill jeresy looking like he just got punched in the stomach
Yeah, just one of those ‘never-put-it-together’ situations.
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