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For more years than I care to remember, the Leafs have put together a wonderful runs after the All-Star break that have failed to carry them into the post-season. I figure that it's a coin toss whether or not the Leafs will actually pull it off this year, but James Mirtle is somewhat less optimistic:

Even if the Leafs can repeat that 33-game run from last season, they would still only end up with 97 points – enough to make the postseason, sure, but not by any huge margin.

Roughly 92 or 93 likely does the trick this season, but that still means playing at a slightly better clip the rest of the way than they have so far.

Toronto will need to be better against good teams such as the Penguins, and they’ll need stories like Reimer’s last year when he went 16-7-5 with a .917 save percentage after the all-star game.

Eep.

Well, plenty of links for your perusal once again, today. Real hockey starts back up again tonight, with the Leafs taking on the Penguins, so stay tuned for more from us today.

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Leafs Links:

What's Eating Nikolai Kulemin?
Besides a person with a lot of tequila. This one's my own post at The Leafs Nation.

Marlies Weekly Update - January 23-31
Jeffler recaps the week that was for the Marlies and previews their return to action after the AHL ASG.

What Would Be In A 2012 Maple Leafs Time Capsule?
Dirty Dangle has a few good suggestions.

GM for a day: who would you bring to Toronto?
Vintage Leaf Memories asks the question.

Weekend Recap: Marlies Drop Two Against the North
Ben Scrivens and Matt Frattin the lone bright spots. From Kyle Cicerella.

"Suck it Phaneuf. Woooo!"
In case you didn't catch this, it's kinda funny. Link via Travis Hughes at Broad St. Hockey.

Maple Leafs Panel: Former Players, Top-Tier Goalies & J-M Liles
Lukas Hardonk, Mark Ascione, and Alex Mamalis all weigh in.

Mikhail Grabovski Continues to Mark His Spot with Weekly First Star Award
Grabbo has really begun to turn his season around. Perfect timing too, since he's prime trade fodder. From Lukas Hardonk at The Hockey Writers.

Other Hockey Links:

Rookie Forward Deployments, League-Wide
Great little post from Derek Zona at The Copper & Blue.

History Lessons: The Point of the All-Star Game
An excellent article from Ellen Etchingham at Backhand Shelf. Definitely worth a read.

Another tasty upgrade to behindthenet.ca
Enough said.

Canadians care more about Skills Competition than NHL All-Star Game
Strange. From Greg Wyshynski at Puck Daddy.

All-Star Weekend, Power Rankings, and our own Jackie Redmond
Backhand Shelf's podcast is always a good listen.

The Cult of Stu
More good stuff from Tyler Dellow.

Hurricanes sign Gleason to four-year extension
In cast you haven't heard, the deal is worth $16M over 4 years. From the CP at the Globe.

7th Inning Sketch
Not bad. Glove tap to Gabriel Desjardins for the link.

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by Curt S on Jan 31, 2012 7:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Is it time to set up the Dion tree and deliver bodychecks to friends and family?

At least it's not Lebda.

by Nifty Mittens on Jan 31, 2012 7:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Funny thing

is Dion Phaneuf trade day, I bet most of us remember exactly where they were and what they were doing when they heard about it.

I know I do.

It’s Leafs fans “where were you when JFK was shot” moment.

No no, dig UP stupid.

by nhlcheapshot on Jan 31, 2012 8:59 AM EST up reply actions  

I was sitting on the couch with my then-girlfriend now wife, watching whatever the NBC sunday game was. Pierre Maguire said something about Dion Phaneuf being traded w/o saying which team, and my wife and I looked at each other surprised that Dion had been traded at all.

Then Pierre said, Dion to the Leafs… and I started jumping around the room screaming.

Then they mentioned that we had traded Blake and Toskala… and I laughed so hard I cried.

Finally got twitter...@mapleleafmjt

by Chi-town leafs on Jan 31, 2012 9:03 AM EST up reply actions  

It was a Red Wings v Blackhawk game I think. I was on the couch with my then-girlfriend, now ex watching the game. I flipped my shit and called my dad. She broke up with me a week later haha #didntcare

by m3smth on Jan 31, 2012 9:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Ah that would explain why we were watching the game then

Finally got twitter...@mapleleafmjt

by Chi-town leafs on Jan 31, 2012 9:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Just looked it up – I was wrong, Det 1 – Pitt 2 (so)

by m3smth on Jan 31, 2012 9:48 AM EST up reply actions  

either way

Finally got twitter...@mapleleafmjt

by Chi-town leafs on Jan 31, 2012 9:50 AM EST up reply actions  

haha. love the part about meeting your fiance that night.

Move along. Nothing to see here...

by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 31, 2012 9:07 AM EST up reply actions  

DION MAKE TWO PERSON LOVE FOREVER EACH OTHER

99% of player salaries are payed out to only 1% of players. #OccupyNHL
I'm a Twitter twat.
CanadianMaple09 is an effective Facebook stalker.

by MLS on Jan 31, 2012 9:10 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

That was a hilarious read. Since I wasn’t around back then I had the pleasure of reading several hours worth of posts in a few minutes and boy, talk about dread, uncertainty, confusion, and joy wrapped up in one little bundle.

I loved the prophets of doom weighing in on the trade, especially comments (whose original posters shall remain unamed) proclaiming how we’re so “boned” and the like.

by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 31, 2012 9:47 AM EST up reply actions  

we all know you’re talking about Chemmy.

Move along. Nothing to see here...

by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 31, 2012 10:01 AM EST up reply actions  

I was going to bring this up.
Sounds a lot like the same old Chemmy. Not an optimist :p

by Ben Schnell on Jan 31, 2012 10:11 AM EST up reply actions  

And that confirms it. VRN, I’ve outed you as PPP’s resident psychic.

by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 31, 2012 10:12 AM EST up reply actions  

nah. we were talking about this last week I think. someone was raggin on Chemmy.

Move along. Nothing to see here...

by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 31, 2012 10:40 AM EST up reply actions  

There was quite a bit of negativity about the trade… first of all, we gave up Ian White… the best player in the trade! My fondest “analysis” was Dave Feschuk and Michael Grange going on Off The Record to rip the trade. It was so dishonest as they were clearly just pimping their book about why the Leafs suck and will always suck. Never had much respect for Feschuk, but lost a lot for Grange…

by Papa Squid on Jan 31, 2012 10:41 AM EST up reply actions  

.
first of all, we gave up Ian White… the best player in the trade!

Fairweather fans can go to hell
Equal oppurtunity asshole and a proud member of the PPPPP
Follow me on twitter: leafer1984

by leafer1984 on Jan 31, 2012 10:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Leafer + LeaferFiancee + Phaneuf FOREVER!!!

The plural of "anecdote" is not "data".
Internet Champ. I'm on Twitter too! - draglikepull

by Draglikepull on Jan 31, 2012 10:19 AM EST up reply actions  

She also bought me my Phaneuf jersey for Christmas.

Fairweather fans can go to hell
Equal oppurtunity asshole and a proud member of the PPPPP
Follow me on twitter: leafer1984

by leafer1984 on Jan 31, 2012 10:26 AM EST up reply actions  

That is true love. She is a keeper. Sign her up long term

"They build a statue, they knock it down and piss on it, and now they will be out there building it again."

by ThickSkinnedAlive on Jan 31, 2012 10:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Sign her to a retirement length contract!

99% of player salaries are payed out to only 1% of players. #OccupyNHL
I'm a Twitter twat.
CanadianMaple09 is an effective Facebook stalker.

by MLS on Jan 31, 2012 11:33 AM EST up reply actions  

With a NTC and a modified NMC

"They build a statue, they knock it down and piss on it, and now they will be out there building it again."

by ThickSkinnedAlive on Jan 31, 2012 11:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Before each season she has to give a list of 5 neighbourhoods she is willing to move to.

by WizardofNaz on Jan 31, 2012 11:39 AM EST up reply actions  

The Phaneuf trade is great for another reason, it happened the day after Chemmy’s wedding and he blogged about it while hung over in his hotel room after everybody got absolutely hammered the night before at the free open bar.

The First Certified Grabbo Lover

by SkinnyFish on Jan 31, 2012 11:43 AM EST up reply actions  

I was hungover and my sens fan roommate told me to turn on TSN about noon… we woke up the entire house with fist pumping and maniacal laughter

Dion Phaneuf: turning the tunes up since '10

Follow Me On Twitter!

by thenumber14 on Jan 31, 2012 9:17 AM EST up reply actions  

The night before was my birthday and sambuka may have been involved. At around 1pm I woke up pretty hungover, flipped open my laptop to twitter to see it exploded. Found out the details, ran down the stairs screaming WOOOOOOOOO!. told my dad started doing a dance, ran to the toilet puked because the dancing made me sick, Then I had waffles.

by WizardofNaz on Jan 31, 2012 10:50 AM EST up reply actions  

I had to go to my cousin’s birthday party. I spent the day chirping my Flames fan friend via text, she was happy to be rid of him.

The Leafs are my Rushmore
Certified Grabbo Lover and member of the PPPPP
I also write things about stuff over at the Leafs Nation

by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 31, 2012 9:26 AM EST up reply actions  

I was on a plane to Calgary. In fact, I had not even heard about the deal until I got to the Calgary Airport.

TWEET AT ME BRO
DAAAAA BLOG
Leaf fan for life! (No, really. They gave me a no-trade clause when I was born.)

by FiftyMissionCap on Jan 31, 2012 9:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Except without all the negativity attached to it. It’s like, instead of him getting shot he just gave everyone in the world birthday cake. It’s the Leafs fans “where were you when JFK gave everybody in the world birthday cake” moment.

I've got 99 problems and they're all hyperdimensional self-replicating machine elves.

by Jay! on Jan 31, 2012 10:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Hungover, drinking an AM beer to get over it, and watching the Sunday game. CBC tosses up the trade, and suddenly my roommate and I are laughing, screaming, and jumping up and down.

A week and a half later, I created an SBNation account.

RIP Former-and-forever Leaf Wade Belak
Me on Twitter

by Bower Power on Jan 31, 2012 10:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Driving home from a friend’s place in NIagara Falls.

DId a double-take at the radio when I heard aboiut the Phaneuf deal.

Almost swerved off the road when they followed up with the Toskala/GIguere deal.

Cynically Sarcastic
Сертыфікаваны Grabbo Палюбоўнік

by clrkaitken on Jan 31, 2012 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

I had just returned from a delicious late breakfast at F&S with my girlfriend. We got back to our old apartment in Ottawa and I opened up my laptop on my bed. Went right to PPP and saw the Phaneuf and Giguere fanshots on the front page and thought they were a joke until I opened them and began reading the comments.

Flugenweb, space code, twit zone, ass mode, check ze tweets.

by Shield on Jan 31, 2012 11:42 AM EST up reply actions  

good old F&S, the student’s dream

by Ben Schnell on Jan 31, 2012 11:56 AM EST up reply actions  

I was in Calgary actually (live there now but was lived in tdot at the time) visiting my gf and I woke up, turned the tv on and saw the trade! I was so excited but we had bought advanced tickets to see Avatar in 3D for noon. So we were sitting in Avatar and I kept checking my phone to read trade analysis. It was awesome.

Unfortunately I didn’t know PPP existed then. A lot of Calgary folk were happy to get rid of him.

by Dr_Furious on Jan 31, 2012 11:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Hung over so bad. With my buddy when the text came in. As soon as we heard about it my hangover was instantly gone!

Thanks Burke

and you thought it was over...

by Bullets on Jan 31, 2012 12:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Trade you your delicious doorstop for my crummy old danish.

TWEET AT ME BRO
DAAAAA BLOG
Leaf fan for life! (No, really. They gave me a no-trade clause when I was born.)

by FiftyMissionCap on Jan 31, 2012 9:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Leafs record since Phaneuf trade: 75-63-19 (~88 point pace)
Leafs record with Phaneuf in lineup: 70-55-16 (~91 point pace)

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by HockeyAnalysis on Jan 31, 2012 9:14 AM EST up reply actions  

woo bubble

No no, dig UP stupid.

by nhlcheapshot on Jan 31, 2012 9:15 AM EST up reply actions  

True dat

Since Dion’s arrived, the team’s pretty much fallen apart. Oh… the glory days. How I remember the Cups of 06, 07 and 08.

Good times.

Damn that Phaneuf. The loss of Stajan has really crippled us.

I shot a moose once, in upstate New York.

by not norm ullman on Jan 31, 2012 9:21 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Stajan? the centerpiece of that trade was Jamal Mayers… that guy was clutch, he put in 110% effort every game and had a ton of intangibles

Finally got twitter...@mapleleafmjt

by Chi-town leafs on Jan 31, 2012 9:23 AM EST up reply actions  

yeah Mayers was so intangible you couldnt even see him out there.

by Goosemonster on Jan 31, 2012 9:31 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

I thought ti was Saint Burke Day?

Dion Phaneuf: turning the tunes up since '10

Follow Me On Twitter!

by thenumber14 on Jan 31, 2012 9:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Here is the FTB from January 31st, 2010: http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2010/1/31/1285493/carry-on-into-the-rapture

Here is the trade thread Chemmy threw up when the news broke: http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2010/1/31/1285626/dion-phaneuf-a-leaf

Pension Plan Puppets
I hope YouTube comes down to film this.

by birky on Jan 31, 2012 9:55 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

CELEBRATE GOOD TIMES

The Leafs are my Rushmore
Certified Grabbo Lover and member of the PPPPP
I also write things about stuff over at the Leafs Nation

by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 31, 2012 9:58 AM EST up reply actions  

I will.

TWEET AT ME BRO
DAAAAA BLOG
Leaf fan for life! (No, really. They gave me a no-trade clause when I was born.)

by FiftyMissionCap on Jan 31, 2012 10:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Calgary Flames message board

Fairweather fans can go to hell
Equal oppurtunity asshole and a proud member of the PPPPP
Follow me on twitter: leafer1984

by leafer1984 on Jan 31, 2012 10:02 AM EST up reply actions  

First comment says it all
who do they have that’s worth Dion? Kessel?

No no, dig UP stupid.

by nhlcheapshot on Jan 31, 2012 10:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Answer: Jamal Mayers, apparently.

by Goosemonster on Jan 31, 2012 10:05 AM EST up reply actions  

lol

Move along. Nothing to see here...

by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 31, 2012 10:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Best
Originally Posted by Pugger
Apparently it’s Kaberle, Stajan and Kadri.
We got hosed if this is true.

Fairweather fans can go to hell
Equal oppurtunity asshole and a proud member of the PPPPP
Follow me on twitter: leafer1984

by leafer1984 on Jan 31, 2012 10:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Say what you want about silly season, but it can be pretty hilarious

No no, dig UP stupid.

by nhlcheapshot on Jan 31, 2012 10:11 AM EST up reply actions  

The only way this makes sense is there’s another team involved. Retarded if not. Everyone on the Leafs sucks.

I've got 99 problems and they're all hyperdimensional self-replicating machine elves.

by Jay! on Jan 31, 2012 10:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Also
I’m going to be sick if Kessel is the return.

lol

I've got 99 problems and they're all hyperdimensional self-replicating machine elves.

by Jay! on Jan 31, 2012 10:20 AM EST up reply actions  

better be kessel schenn +

by Ben Schnell on Jan 31, 2012 10:30 AM EST up reply actions  

To be fair, at least 80% of our roster was crappy then.

by Goosemonster on Jan 31, 2012 10:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh, I know.

I was just laughing about how prophetic that statement turned out to be. They did end up picking up a lot of suck in that trade.

I've got 99 problems and they're all hyperdimensional self-replicating machine elves.

by Jay! on Jan 31, 2012 10:24 AM EST up reply actions  

It’s being a little unfair, as that’s not exactly where the most brilliant of Flames fans go to post on the internet.

I guess it’d be like taking samples from LeafSpace or TSN.ca or some other Bullshit Leafs site…. it’s going to make us look bad.

No no, dig UP stupid.

by nhlcheapshot on Jan 31, 2012 10:23 AM EST up reply actions  

makes no sense for Anaheim to dump Giguere just to take on Blake or Finger.

-birky

Makes no sense for the Leafs to give up any assets for a $6M back-up goalie.

-mf37

what makes you think he’ll be the back-up?

-birky

Because he sucks.

-mf37

Someone give mf37 a fuckin’ medal.

RIP Former-and-forever Leaf Wade Belak
Me on Twitter

by Bower Power on Jan 31, 2012 10:39 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

That first year here he was a 0.916… The next year he was a 0.900. Not great but better than most of the crap we have had.

About time that people finally realized how awesome Gunnar is...
Certified Gunnar & Kule lover!
My new goal: To get the nickname Hebrew Hammer for Mike Brown to take off.

by BCapp on Jan 31, 2012 12:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Delecious

At least it's not Lebda.

by Nifty Mittens on Jan 31, 2012 10:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Hate you all.

"You said you didn't give a f#%k about hockey. And I never saw someone say that before..."
"Storm coming? Hatchet coming!"

by TheBurnward on Jan 31, 2012 1:39 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

You should hate Sutter.

Move along. Nothing to see here...

by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 31, 2012 1:54 PM EST up reply actions  

BCP

I wrote about the lack of secondary scoring on the Leafs this year

http://bluechipprospects.blogspot.com

by Curt S on Jan 31, 2012 7:52 AM EST reply actions  

looking at PPG would have been helpful.

also, how did this compare to last season?

Move along. Nothing to see here...

by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 31, 2012 8:50 AM EST up reply actions  

I thought about comparing it to last season, but since we missed the playoffs I wasn’t sure how helpful it would be. I guess what I can say is that last year we had 4 guys put up 55+ points (Kulemin, MacArthur, Grabovski, Kessel) and this season we’ve got three (Kessel, Lupul, Grabo).

I’m thinking about looking at scoring distribution on teams that are currently in the playoffs to see what generally works.

http://bluechipprospects.blogspot.com

by Curt S on Jan 31, 2012 8:53 AM EST up reply actions  

what generally works.

You might get a huge variation here… last year both NSH and MON made the playoffs with barely any scoring at all.

No no, dig UP stupid.

by nhlcheapshot on Jan 31, 2012 8:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Boston only had three 55+ point guys last year (none over 62 points), only one 30 (exactly) goal scorer, but were 5th in goals scored, and won the Stanley Cup.

Of course they had 8 players with 40+ points and 12 players with 10+ goals.

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by HockeyAnalysis on Jan 31, 2012 9:22 AM EST up reply actions  

If anyone needs a laugh this morning. Did Gomez Score?

"They build a statue, they knock it down and piss on it, and now they will be out there building it again."

by ThickSkinnedAlive on Jan 31, 2012 7:55 AM EST reply actions   2 recs

no better way to spend ones money than to buy that domain name

by Ben Schnell on Jan 31, 2012 7:56 AM EST up reply actions  

We’ve all spend more on worse.

"They build a statue, they knock it down and piss on it, and now they will be out there building it again."

by ThickSkinnedAlive on Jan 31, 2012 8:42 AM EST up reply actions  

*spent

"They build a statue, they knock it down and piss on it, and now they will be out there building it again."

by ThickSkinnedAlive on Jan 31, 2012 8:42 AM EST up reply actions  

6 more days …

At least it's not Lebda.

by Nifty Mittens on Jan 31, 2012 7:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Looking over my fantasy team,

How the hell was Rinne not selected for the all star team?
28Ws (9 in a row), league leader has 30
.925Sv%

by Ben Schnell on Jan 31, 2012 7:55 AM EST reply actions  

I’ve got Rinne too. He’s so dreamy

http://bluechipprospects.blogspot.com

by Curt S on Jan 31, 2012 8:02 AM EST up reply actions  

I just have him in my one year league :( would LOVE him in my keeper league

by Ben Schnell on Jan 31, 2012 8:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Yep, I’m a lucky man

http://bluechipprospects.blogspot.com

by Curt S on Jan 31, 2012 8:48 AM EST up reply actions  

I stumbled onto Halak who has been gangbusters for STL this season since Elliott has begun to come back down to reality slowly.

No no, dig UP stupid.

by nhlcheapshot on Jan 31, 2012 9:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Because they

a) originally needed 1 player per team (Quick)
b) needed an even number of East and West goalies (Price)
c) he didn’t have those 9 wins in a row when they picked the team, and no goalies dropped out

The First Certified Grabbo Lover

by SkinnyFish on Jan 31, 2012 9:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Even if the Leafs can repeat that 33-game run from last season, they would still only end up with 97 points – enough to make the postseason, sure, but not by any huge margin.

Given how many games the Leafs have left against teams currently above them in the standings, if they went on such a run, I do believe they would comfortably be sitting in atleast 6th place.

by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 31, 2012 8:03 AM EST reply actions  

Which would be super comfortable because we’d be playing the SE

by Ben Schnell on Jan 31, 2012 8:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Sign me up. I think 6th place this year is going to be the desired finish this year for any team in the East. I’d prefer it over 5th.

by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 31, 2012 8:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Why do I care how big the margin by which they get into the playoffs is?

That's "Da-ooo". Like the drink.

by daoust on Jan 31, 2012 8:42 AM EST up reply actions  

you might care, if it means facing Washington instead of Boston.

Move along. Nothing to see here...

by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 31, 2012 8:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Because 6th is the dream playoff spot this year. Get to play whoever wins the SE.

No no, dig UP stupid.

by nhlcheapshot on Jan 31, 2012 8:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Mirtle

is doing his objective diligence, but it’s not as bad as it seems. The competition is pretty weak, and we actually have a better chance of finishing 4-8 than Florida does at this point

Things we cannot do: lose games to Florida, Winnipeg, Montreal, Washington and Ottawa.

Move along. Nothing to see here...

by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 31, 2012 9:06 AM EST up reply actions  

lose games to Florida, Winnipeg, Montreal, Washington and Ottawa

Yet I feel like that’s all we’ve been doing all season.

No no, dig UP stupid.

by nhlcheapshot on Jan 31, 2012 9:14 AM EST up reply actions  

I actually think this may be one of those years when a team – us – gets in with fewer points.

All we have to do is beat one of Florida, Washington, New Jersey or Washington, right? None of them are on a tear, none have a positive goal differential, and none are actually really good hockey teams.

My prediction is that one of them – at least – dive-bombs, and somebody sneaks in with fewer points.

[Note: I hate these play-off odds-making machines and points-necessary calculators. They all look so professional… until you lift the hood. I mean, the one you linked – that I visit as well – shows 9 teams with >50% odds. Hell, 8 teams are above 70%! Oh well……]

I shot a moose once, in upstate New York.

by not norm ullman on Jan 31, 2012 9:17 AM EST up reply actions  

And yet, from a probabalistic standpoint, they're all true.

They start becoming more useful when there are less games left to be played. As of now, each game can swing the % like 6-8%. Pretty nuts.

No no, dig UP stupid.

by nhlcheapshot on Jan 31, 2012 9:19 AM EST up reply actions  

But it’s not the objective probabilities.

It’s a guy who puts together some variables that HE thinks are important, and weights them the way HE thinks is appropriate, and clearly, there’s a few bugs in the machine. Orrrr…. refinements he can make.

As you say, it gets more useful the closer we get to the finishing line.

As an aside, has anybody gone back and looked at the site and tracked how it performed, with hindsight?

I shot a moose once, in upstate New York.

by not norm ullman on Jan 31, 2012 9:37 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm pretty comfortable with the model

It is literally running 10,000+ iterations of possible future outcomes for the remainder of the season, summing up the most frequent outcomes and dividing by the total to determine the % of times we make the playoffs.

There aren’t a ton of bugs IMO… just how you interpret the results.

No no, dig UP stupid.

by nhlcheapshot on Jan 31, 2012 9:39 AM EST up reply actions  

9 teams above 50%. Howzat?

I shot a moose once, in upstate New York.

by not norm ullman on Jan 31, 2012 9:43 AM EST up reply actions  

See, as I said below, you’re reading it as if anything > 50% chance = playoffs!!!

Mathematically that’s not correct. For each team in that category, there are >50% of scenarios where they make the playoffs.

Some of those scenarios have Boston/Philly falling out (obviously <5% chance). Others have NYI going 30 wins. Unlikely, but mathematically possible. The sum total of those scenarios leads to a number of bubble teams all having playoff positions in >50% of circumstances.

If you look at the details near the bottom, you can see the # of iterations of each scenario. Kind of cool stuff.

The % probabilities start making more “intuitive” sense when there are much less games played.

No no, dig UP stupid.

by nhlcheapshot on Jan 31, 2012 9:50 AM EST up reply actions  

yeah, over the next few weeks we’ll see those unlikely possibilities eliminated, which should give a clearer picture of playoff odds for the bubble teams.

by Goosemonster on Jan 31, 2012 9:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Not reading it incorrectly as far as I can see.

It’s presented as teams chances of making the playoffs. And the average total % chances add to over 50%. If his scenarios throw up those results, then they should be adjusted.

After all, if there was a lottery, and 15 players were in, and the Government told you that 8 of them had better than 50% chances, plus, the total % chances added up to well over 15 × 50%, what would you say?

I’d say their math was wrong. OR…. they needed to present it a different way, with different wording.

Not trying to harsh on the guy, it’s a fun site, but it’s called “your team’s chances of making the playoffs.”

I shot a moose once, in upstate New York.

by not norm ullman on Jan 31, 2012 1:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Their math isn't wrong.

Based on what we know now (and assumptions made), those probabilities are fine.

Sum up all the % probabilities of making the playoffs for all teams, it adds to 1600% (16 teams making the playoffs)

No no, dig UP stupid.

by nhlcheapshot on Jan 31, 2012 1:42 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s the distribution of those %s that may seem confusing.

The math is absolutely fine.

No no, dig UP stupid.

by nhlcheapshot on Jan 31, 2012 1:42 PM EST up reply actions  

No, it isn’t. I just added them again.

For the Eastern Conference (since playoff spots are awarded by Conference), it totals 8000 percentage points. Which, divided over 15 teams, is a 53.3% chance for each.

The numbers just changed in the last hour or so, but they were similarly at 8000 earlier.

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by not norm ullman on Jan 31, 2012 1:50 PM EST up reply actions  

wow

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by Chemmy on Jan 31, 2012 1:51 PM EST up reply actions  

ok

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by not norm ullman on Jan 31, 2012 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

ok

I shot a moose once, in upstate New York.

by not norm ullman on Jan 31, 2012 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

8000% / 8 playoff berths = 100% chance that 8 teams will qualify for the post-season.

It’s true that each team has great than a 50% chance to get into the playoffs (all else being equal) because more than 50% of the teams actually do make the playoffs.

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by Draglikepull on Jan 31, 2012 1:52 PM EST up reply actions  

8000% / 8 = 100%

…uh…

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by Bower Power on Jan 31, 2012 1:55 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Wait, sorry, it should be 800%. Hmm. There’s got to be a decimal place off in not norm’s numbers somewhere.

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by Draglikepull on Jan 31, 2012 1:56 PM EST up reply actions  

ok

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by not norm ullman on Jan 31, 2012 1:56 PM EST up reply actions  

( . ) ( . )

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by SkinnyFish on Jan 31, 2012 1:57 PM EST up reply actions  

8000%

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by Chemmy on Jan 31, 2012 1:53 PM EST up reply actions  

ok

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by not norm ullman on Jan 31, 2012 1:56 PM EST up reply actions  

They will always be at 8000 for each conference

If you want to think about it that way, 53% of teams in each conference DO make the playoffs

8/15 = 53%

No no, dig UP stupid.

by nhlcheapshot on Jan 31, 2012 1:54 PM EST up reply actions  

my bad. brain returned for repairs.

ok, i get it.

my screw-up.

it just looks completely weird to see that 8 teams already have a 70% chance of making the playoffs, plus a 9th at >50%.

That said, as the guy says, it doesn’t include injuries, and team confidence and all that, so no matter what…. PLAYOFFS!!!

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by not norm ullman on Jan 31, 2012 1:58 PM EST up reply actions  

And also, so long as we’re part of that 53%, I’m ok….

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by not norm ullman on Jan 31, 2012 1:59 PM EST up reply actions  

That said, as the guy says, it doesn’t include injuries, and team confidence and all that

Math isn’t THAT good….yet.

One day it will predict deadline-day trades.

No no, dig UP stupid.

by nhlcheapshot on Jan 31, 2012 2:01 PM EST up reply actions  

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by clrkaitken on Jan 31, 2012 2:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Shit we have to beat washington out twice!?

by Ben Schnell on Jan 31, 2012 9:19 AM EST up reply actions  

They have already beaten them once.

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by leafer1984 on Jan 31, 2012 9:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Beat them out.

All we have to do is beat one of Florida, Washington, New Jersey or Washington

by Ben Schnell on Jan 31, 2012 9:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Well we do have to beat both the Washington Capitals and the Washington Capitalols.

by Goosemonster on Jan 31, 2012 9:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Capitols?

Move along. Nothing to see here...

by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 31, 2012 10:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Meant to say Ottawa (who I still think has a major collapse coming.)

Dammit though. My first mistake this year. In fact, my first mistake since 1987.

Helluva streak, down the shitter.

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by not norm ullman on Jan 31, 2012 9:34 AM EST up reply actions  

That’s the first thing that’s ever gone wrong.

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by Shield on Jan 31, 2012 11:25 AM EST up reply actions  

i prefer the stats machines to just looking at the standings, not because i think that ‘70%’ means 70% in reality, but it gives me a better sense of the relative chances of each team.

Move along. Nothing to see here...

by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 31, 2012 9:21 AM EST up reply actions  

70% does mean 70%… I just think people see 70% > 50% = playoffs!!!

No no, dig UP stupid.

by nhlcheapshot on Jan 31, 2012 9:24 AM EST up reply actions  

oh yeah. i know. i’m not one of those though.

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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 31, 2012 9:25 AM EST up reply actions  

you are the 1%

by jeffgm on Jan 31, 2012 9:44 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Yeah based on how awful the SE division is this year, it feels like it could be like that year philly got in with 88 points…at least that’s what I’m telling myself to make me feel better about our playoff chances

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by Chi-town leafs on Jan 31, 2012 9:22 AM EST up reply actions  

It’s pretty hillarious. What was it, two years ago when all the bubble teams in the East kept losing? Montreal lost their last three games, but because of the final game against the Leafs going to OT (which Phaneuf won), they still squeked in. Something like 89 points. I wouldn’t be surprised to see something similar (but I hope on all things holy that the Leafs aren’t losing games in the final two weeks!)

by MrSmithy on Jan 31, 2012 10:57 AM EST up reply actions  

All we have to do is beat one of Florida, Washington, New Jersey or Washington, right?

This is exactly how I’m thinking about it. We need to be one game better than one of those teams. I think Ottawa will fall during the 2nd half as well. I’d put the odds of the Leafs making the playoffs at closer to 60-65%.

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by Draglikepull on Jan 31, 2012 10:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Anything better than a coinflip at the ASG has to be considered pretty on par with season expectations.

No no, dig UP stupid.

by nhlcheapshot on Jan 31, 2012 10:24 AM EST up reply actions  

There are just so many variable to project forward. Especially with the trade deadline approaching.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 31, 2012 10:24 AM EST up reply actions  

0-2, 2-1,2-1, 1-1, 1-2

Leafs record against those teams a combined 6-7

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by leafer1984 on Jan 31, 2012 9:21 AM EST up reply actions  

this gives me a huge sad.

Move along. Nothing to see here...

by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 31, 2012 9:24 AM EST up reply actions  

One of the most annoying things is how infrequently we seem to force OT against ANYBODY. A couple of points here and there would be miraculous for us. Meanwhile, how many times have Floriday, NJ, OTT, etc gone to OT in their games?

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by sportsfan2 on Jan 31, 2012 1:11 PM EST up reply actions  

The team is playing tremendous with the lead in the third period.
But there haven’t been as many of those exciting third periods comebacks

by jeffgm on Jan 31, 2012 1:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Sounds like it’s time for Reimer to go full Optimus Reim.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jan 31, 2012 9:25 AM EST up reply actions  

or Gus to go full sex panther (the way Wilson has been playing him)

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by Chi-town leafs on Jan 31, 2012 9:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Mirtle is doing his objective diligence

Does anyone else feel a sort of contempt sneaking into Mirtle’s leaf articles over this past year? While I’m thankful he’s a hockey fan, he’s definetely not a Leafs fan. Maybe the excitement of covering the most high profile hockey market in the world must be fading for him?

Maybe it’s just a reflection of my own growing dread about the remaining third of the season, but I could use a beat writer with a bit more optimism at times.

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by Peter de Chatham on Jan 31, 2012 12:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Mirtle reminds us that there isn’t nearly as much reason to be optimistic as we think there is.

No no, dig UP stupid.

by nhlcheapshot on Jan 31, 2012 12:25 PM EST up reply actions  

We’re Leafs fans. This ‘optimism’ thing is new for us. We’re still a little shaky.

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by The Bag on Jan 31, 2012 4:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I still haven’t quite grasped the concept. I remember being optimistic back in the early 2000s, but now it seems but a fleeting dream on which I cast my gaze while standing on the shore watching the playoff ships sail to other cities.

by Goosemonster on Jan 31, 2012 4:04 PM EST up reply actions  

So you’d like someone who doesn’t give you the objective truth if it doesn’t make you feel good?

This is why Fox News exists.

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by Chemmy on Jan 31, 2012 12:31 PM EST up reply actions  

My first impression after reading Mirtle’s article was that Cox or that ilk wrote it.

by jeffgm on Jan 31, 2012 12:51 PM EST up reply actions  

My first impression reading some of these comments is people want a giant homer writing about the team.

The whole point of the story is they can’t play like crap and make the playoffs. They have to be at least as good as they were pre-all-star break and likely a little bit better.

That’s just indisputable.

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by James Mirtle on Feb 2, 2012 6:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Stupid

97 points was 6th last year, and 5th in 2010.

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by SkinnyFish on Jan 31, 2012 9:23 AM EST up reply actions  

Mirtle’s turning into the lame-stream media.

Move along. Nothing to see here...

by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 31, 2012 9:26 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh shush.

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by SkinnyFish on Jan 31, 2012 9:27 AM EST up reply actions  

your’e the one who called him stupid stupid.

Move along. Nothing to see here...

by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 31, 2012 9:28 AM EST up reply actions  

He meant “Stupid” in the “smart” sense.

It’s like Yin/Yang. Each stupid carries deep within its heart a seed of smart.

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by not norm ullman on Jan 31, 2012 9:39 AM EST up reply actions  

This site needs top 25 ranked media sources and reporters by quality of their analysis and objectivity. Mirtle near the top and Healy and Cox near the bottom. Though I’m curious were Cherry, Friedman etc would end up.

by jeffgm on Jan 31, 2012 9:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Friedman is right near the top.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 31, 2012 9:49 AM EST up reply actions  

I’m assuming Cherry is at the bottom considering he doesn’t break stories.

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by thenumber14 on Jan 31, 2012 9:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Siegal would probably be near the top too

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by Chi-town leafs on Jan 31, 2012 9:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Sean Fitzgerald does great work as well.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 31, 2012 9:53 AM EST up reply actions  

A quick list of my favourites off the top of my head:

1) McKenzie
2) Mirtle
3) Siegal
4) Friedman
5) Dreger

Who am I missing?

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by MLS on Jan 31, 2012 9:55 AM EST up reply actions  

If you’re following those 5 it doesn’t fucking matter who else you follow, really.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jan 31, 2012 9:56 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Sean Fitzegerald, Bruce Arthur as well. Especially Sean he writes a lot about the Leafs and interacts really well.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 31, 2012 9:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Don’t forget DGB… best mittenstringer there is!

by WizardofNaz on Jan 31, 2012 11:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Its hard to remember that DGB is a mittenstringer now.

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by Ubiquitous on Jan 31, 2012 11:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh and Lebrun is decent too.

by WizardofNaz on Jan 31, 2012 11:00 AM EST up reply actions  

My favourites are MacKenzie, Siegel, Mirtle, and Friedman.

I am a fan of Dreger, LeBrun and a couple others too but they are not as good..

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by BCapp on Jan 31, 2012 12:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Lebrun and Dreger are good for insider-type info – rumours, league chatter and such.

Mirtle and Siegel have good theme pieces with good data backing things up.

Friendman has the most interesting angle on issues.

by Dr_Furious on Jan 31, 2012 12:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Friedman also appears to be the most genuine of them all. As in, not douchey

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by T is for Truculence on Jan 31, 2012 12:58 PM EST up reply actions  

When PPP, Skinny, puckurgently and I got to go into the post game presser after the Leafs-Caps game I introduced myself to Elliotte Friedman who despite it being late and having work to do was pretty nice to us.

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by Chemmy on Jan 31, 2012 1:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, Mirtle’s a good guy as well. JP and I had beers with him in London after the rookie tournament. All the other MSM guys were at the other end of the bar.
He’s super tall and really into Metal.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 31, 2012 1:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Only very specific kinds of metal, though. I tried recommending Isis to him and he said he doesn’t listen to metal bands that don’t have good singers.

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by Draglikepull on Jan 31, 2012 1:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Top 25 over 25 IQ?

At least it's not Lebda.

by Nifty Mittens on Jan 31, 2012 9:54 AM EST up reply actions  

this is a great idea.

Move along. Nothing to see here...

by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 31, 2012 10:06 AM EST up reply actions  

But as was brought up on Twitter yesterday, the overall mediocrity of the East, and the struggles of Washington, are making for a tighter playoff race. It’s basically shaping up to be the Western Conference last year where there was just a big collection of ‘meh’ teams fighting for spots 5-8.

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by SkinnyFish on Jan 31, 2012 9:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Fun fact:
McKegg’s scoring pace with his new team is better then Nail Yakupov’s.
McKegg 2 points per game over 11 games
Nail 1.89 points per game 29 games

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Nail is 2 years younger though, so not that impressive
but still really good :) love kegger :)

by Ben Schnell on Jan 31, 2012 8:18 AM EST up reply actions  

How dare you ruin my fun on Dion day

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by Nifty Mittens on Jan 31, 2012 8:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Fun Fact: McKegg’s secret weapon is “the stink bomb” – sits in front of the goalie a la Spezza and lets one go, distracting the keeper and then tossing the puck into the net.

by Goosemonster on Jan 31, 2012 8:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Fantastic.

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by MLS on Jan 31, 2012 8:50 AM EST up reply actions  

I see nothing

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by leafer1984 on Jan 31, 2012 8:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Best gif.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 31, 2012 9:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Agreed.

Someone here posted a story about Ric Flair’s life and financial woes a few weeks ago. I read it while travelling, it’s pretty f-ing crazy.

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by daoust on Jan 31, 2012 9:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah it really is. Professional Wrestling is full of crazy heartbreaking stories and that’s for the guys who were famous and successful.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 31, 2012 9:39 AM EST up reply actions  

I was over at my brothers place on the weekend and we came across “WWE Vintage” on The Score. Just counting all the guys that are dead, was probably the most depressing thing I’ve seen in awhile, especially cause some of these events weren’t even 10-15 years old.

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by Ghostsof on Jan 31, 2012 9:41 AM EST up reply actions  

If you haven’t read all of The Masked Man’s Dead Wrestler of the Weeks over at Deadspin, there goes the rest of your day.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 31, 2012 9:48 AM EST up reply actions  

I have. It was like a train wreck. I couldn’t look away even though I didn’t feel like reading further

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by Ghostsof on Jan 31, 2012 10:00 AM EST up reply actions  

...

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by OffTheChest on Jan 31, 2012 10:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Better version

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by Shield on Jan 31, 2012 11:30 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Size matters.

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by Nifty Mittens on Jan 31, 2012 11:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Well yeah, and in the other one he is just running. I guess these two similar gifs have profoundly different meanings due to the exact shots they show.

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by Shield on Jan 31, 2012 11:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Listening to backhand shelf podcast, and I completely agree.
For all the 16yo girl, smoking jokes, I loved Carey Price in the asg. He was really cool.

by Ben Schnell on Jan 31, 2012 9:51 AM EST reply actions  

Oh yeah, he was the highlight for me. Watching him make the save facing the glass was the best part.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 31, 2012 9:52 AM EST up reply actions  

He definitely knows how to ham it up for the camera

by m3smth on Jan 31, 2012 9:53 AM EST up reply actions  

I still don’t know where either of those jokes came from.

by Goosemonster on Jan 31, 2012 9:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Carey Price rocked the ASG hard.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jan 31, 2012 9:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Same. He was great. Yesterday my brother and I had an afternoon with nothing to do, so obviously we made custom teams on NHL 12 and did a fantasy draft for players so we could have an epic tournament for glory. I picked Price as my third goalie (though he’s never getting in over Lundqvist and Rinne).

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by Shield on Jan 31, 2012 11:31 AM EST up reply actions  

HOCKEY TONIGHT!

YES! It has been way too long.

by Goosemonster on Jan 31, 2012 10:13 AM EST reply actions  

Darren Dreger said last night that he thinks Holmgren and Burke will meet again over a potential JVR for Gunnarsson/Schenn swap.

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by birky on Jan 31, 2012 10:27 AM EST reply actions  

Dislike.

/GoForCouturier

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by nhlcheapshot on Jan 31, 2012 10:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Couturier at 18 is also playing 2:00+ per game on the PK

1C potential.

He’d cost like infinity though.

No no, dig UP stupid.

by nhlcheapshot on Jan 31, 2012 10:36 AM EST up reply actions  

yes he would. But I’d rather him than JVR. He’s a 6’4 centre. Him and Colborne centring two different lines? Yes please.

by Goosemonster on Jan 31, 2012 10:37 AM EST up reply actions  

James van Riemsdyk

Position: LW

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by nhlcheapshot on Jan 31, 2012 10:39 AM EST up reply actions  

the “he” refered to Couturier. hence, I’d rather “him” than JVR. I know JVR is a winger.

by Goosemonster on Jan 31, 2012 10:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Grammar is hard for me.

No no, dig UP stupid.

by nhlcheapshot on Jan 31, 2012 10:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Me fail unglish? that unpossible

by WizardofNaz on Jan 31, 2012 11:02 AM EST up reply actions  

Is JVR’s concussion healed?

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by Chi-town leafs on Jan 31, 2012 10:28 AM EST up reply actions  

No

No no, dig UP stupid.

by nhlcheapshot on Jan 31, 2012 10:29 AM EST up reply actions  

JVR still has concussion issues and Carter is out with a separated shoulder. These are the 2 names that keep coming up.

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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Jan 31, 2012 10:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Yay go leafs go

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by nhlcheapshot on Jan 31, 2012 10:41 AM EST up reply actions  

We got Kessel on the IR. Things will work out

Right…?

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by Matt_Roberts on Jan 31, 2012 1:30 PM EST up reply actions  

So torn over this one.
I think I’m just clinging to Schenn’s potential upside. He may never reach it, but if he does oh boy.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 31, 2012 10:29 AM EST up reply actions  

I’m kind of a proponent of the buy low/sell high theory… and I think with Schenn we’d be selling low

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by Chi-town leafs on Jan 31, 2012 10:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Burke won’t sell low, me thinks. His track record doesn’t show it. He could have sold low on Kaberle last summer but he held onto him because he didnt get the right offer.

by Goosemonster on Jan 31, 2012 10:32 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm more confused why people are so obsessed with JvR.

Take away his #2 pick status – what do you have? A decent 22 year old prospect

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by nhlcheapshot on Jan 31, 2012 10:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Well the upside that comes with the #2 pick status. Plus last year in the playoffs he showed he could be the kind of player that can just take over and dominate a game.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 31, 2012 10:31 AM EST up reply actions  

he was an elite player in the NCAA at 18.

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by birky on Jan 31, 2012 10:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Okay he got 20 goals when he was 21, that’s good.

But does he really have crazy potential? I dunno, I don’t watch the Flyers enough.

Where’s Ubiquitus when you need him

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by nhlcheapshot on Jan 31, 2012 10:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Clever.

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by Draglikepull on Jan 31, 2012 10:39 AM EST up reply actions  

/slow clap

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by leafer1984 on Jan 31, 2012 10:40 AM EST up reply actions  

I rec it no matter how many times I hear it.

No no, dig UP stupid.

by nhlcheapshot on Jan 31, 2012 10:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Only the second time I’ve made the joke, but when someone asks the question I have to respond that way.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 31, 2012 10:44 AM EST up reply actions  

So did Tyler Ennis but you wouldn’t trade Schenn for him.

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by Ubiquitous on Jan 31, 2012 10:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Because he’s a little guy

by Ben Schnell on Jan 31, 2012 11:23 AM EST up reply actions  

I think they prefer “little people”.

by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 31, 2012 11:25 AM EST up reply actions  

In Windsor we call them dwarfs. And we throw them, apparently.*

http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/01/29/dwarf-tossing-at-windsor-strip-club-draws-fans-critics/

Funny thing, my roommate’s sister wrote that article.

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by CanadianMaple09 on Jan 31, 2012 12:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I guess you could use the word “decent.” Players in their first through third seasons who’ve put up between .45 and .55 PPG (JVR is at .51 right now), in similar ice time :

Penner
Lucic
Petr Prucha
(JVR)
Dustin Brown
Lupul
Dubinsky
Malone
Wilson

Two thoughts: One, this list could probably be called “the Brian Burke love-fest”. Two, JVR probably has the potential to play the first line power forward left wing. In short, be a replacement for when Joffrey Lupul stops scoring at an unsustainable clip. My concern would be that his O-zone starts are pretty ridiculous (63.0%), but his O-zone finish is still pretty good, considering (54.5%), and he is second on the Flyers for Corsi rel QoC. And it’s not like he’s spending a ton of time with Giroux.

I’d say a “good” prospect, more than a decent one. I’d also say that we could use another first-line potential talent. I’m not sure I’d be ready to give up on Schenn though, and I’d only want Gunnarsson going out if Burke feels that he has a good shot at Suter in the offseason (he probably doesn’t), or a stopgap defensive defenseman coming to replace him. Without one of those replacement plans, we’re probably throwing away this season.

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by Bower Power on Jan 31, 2012 11:10 AM EST up reply actions  

The Leafs probably need to move out two bodies on defense before next season. If they can get a guy who can be a first line player in a year or two, see-ya Schenn.

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by birky on Jan 31, 2012 11:16 AM EST up reply actions  

I still love Schenn (and pretty much anyone wears a Leaf jersey) and think his upside is big, but trading him for a unicorn does fit in with the OLAS thing.

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by Redonred on Jan 31, 2012 11:21 AM EST up reply actions  

It’d be a Christlike sacrifice. Like, “He gave himself so that our playoff hopes could live.”

by Peter Lynn on Jan 31, 2012 11:24 AM EST up reply actions  

It’s also possible the Leafs won’t find a dance partner for a big deal. In that case, they’ve have to move some bodies out. Wondering who goes then.

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by birky on Jan 31, 2012 10:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Lombardi for a pick

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by nhlcheapshot on Jan 31, 2012 10:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Or Armstrong, or Komi

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by Chi-town leafs on Jan 31, 2012 10:33 AM EST up reply actions  

No one will want Armstrong. Relatively high cap hit for a player like him, perenially injured.

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We thought no one would take Toskala or Blake… but 2 years ago today…

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by Chi-town leafs on Jan 31, 2012 10:36 AM EST up reply actions  

OK, so we can trade Armstrong, but only if we take back another over-paid player like we did in the Giguere deal? Not really what the Leafs need right now.

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by Draglikepull on Jan 31, 2012 10:36 AM EST up reply actions  

6 months ago as of recently we traded Lebda?

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by Chi-town leafs on Jan 31, 2012 10:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Again, by taking on a bad contract. Leafs don’t have the cap room to take on bad contracts anymore.

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by Draglikepull on Jan 31, 2012 10:39 AM EST up reply actions  

yeah we need cap space, which is why I see Komi could move before Army. Komi will only be paid 3.5 million but will have a cap hit of 4.5 million – only one more year left. A team might take him.

by Goosemonster on Jan 31, 2012 10:38 AM EST up reply actions  

My proposal is actually reasonable

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by nhlcheapshot on Jan 31, 2012 10:36 AM EST up reply actions  

I think Lombardi may be tradeable during the off-season if he can stay healthy, but health concerns likely make him untradeable right now.

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by Draglikepull on Jan 31, 2012 10:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Less so than 30 game Armstrong or Mike “lol” Komisarek

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by nhlcheapshot on Jan 31, 2012 10:38 AM EST up reply actions  

If there is no big deal then Mac goes in a Versteeg type trade for picks.
Then bring up Frattin on that line

by jeffgm on Jan 31, 2012 10:57 AM EST up reply actions  

I don’t know about that. One of our problems is secondary scoring, and Clarkey Marc is good at putting up numbers. It’s very possible, but I don’t see it happening without us bringing in another guy who can put up points (e.g. not Frattin, yet)

by Goosemonster on Jan 31, 2012 10:59 AM EST up reply actions  

One option would be move Kadri up, give Grabbo and Kuli and Kadri sheltered minutes to get that line putting up points, and have a line of Connolly, Army and Lombardi playing the tough defensive minutes.

by WizardofNaz on Jan 31, 2012 11:09 AM EST up reply actions  

I think Kadri, if he is not traded (and I hope he isnt unless its a young unicorn coming back), will be on this team next year from the beginning, and I think he has real top 6 potential. I see him easily fitting into a solid second line.

by Goosemonster on Jan 31, 2012 11:17 AM EST up reply actions  

I was talking about this year if we moved Mac without bringing any more forwards in…

by WizardofNaz on Jan 31, 2012 11:23 AM EST up reply actions  

yeah I dont know where that came from. Not enough coffee yet.

by Goosemonster on Jan 31, 2012 11:24 AM EST up reply actions  

I think it was actually McKenzie in a seperate interview who said Gunnarsson or Schenn might be on the move, but he didn’t say the Leafs are trying to move them, only that if they want to add an impact player that those two guys are probably their biggest trade chips.

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by Draglikepull on Jan 31, 2012 10:36 AM EST up reply actions  

There’s only one player Burke has ever publicly “shopped” (and even then he didn’t admit it), and that’s Kaberle.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jan 31, 2012 10:37 AM EST up reply actions  

if Gunnarsson goes I also want the tea in China. He’s easily been one of our top 2 defenders, he’s on a cheap contract going RFA, and he’s top 4 on almost any team.

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India makes better tea. I want all the tea in India.

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by birky on Jan 31, 2012 10:39 AM EST up reply actions  

nah I’m all about that green tea.

by Goosemonster on Jan 31, 2012 10:40 AM EST up reply actions  

I’m against trading Gunnarsson unless it’s for:

a) an upgrade on Gunnarsson (ie. Suter); or
b) Getzlaf

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by Draglikepull on Jan 31, 2012 10:42 AM EST up reply actions  

I’d accept:

c) a youthful player of potentially comparable to Getzslaf in terms of quality and size in the centre position (e.g. Couturier)

by Goosemonster on Jan 31, 2012 10:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Talking about buy low/ sell high, Gunnar is definitely a potential trade chip.

I could see a trade of Gunnar + a marginal /moderate prospect for a Suter because Nashville doesn’t have the money to sign all the players they’re going to need to re-sign but the problem is that our cap situation is quite tenuous.

I think we have about 3 mil in space… getting a Suter type player, which we’d need to replace a number 2 D, is expensive and we’d need to open up space with a trade of Schenn or Komi or maybe Grabbo.

Essentially though I feel that we already have a good cheap Number 2 D in Gunnar and unless Burke can really swing the hammer and make a huge deal with him, its very unlikely he goes anywhere.

Primarily because we need more scoring/ 1C – power forward rather than another big name D

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by Buds'n'Syrup on Jan 31, 2012 11:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Nashville is probably not going to trade Suter. If they do, I’d think they could more than Gunnarsson and a marginal prospect for him. On top of that, it sure sounds like Suter is going to test the free agent market. If he does, there’s almost no chance the Leafs sign him.

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by birky on Jan 31, 2012 11:07 AM EST up reply actions  

If he does [hit UFA], there’s almost no chance the Leafs sign him.

I’m not sure I agree with this. The organization is filled with people Suter has some sort of history with (Burke, now re-signed Wilson, Kessel, Mike Brown) it’s a young, talented team, and he’s guaranteed to be partnered with a Weber-like player in Phaneuf. I think we’d have a decent chance, to be honest. We’d need to move out salary, but if it’s to make room for Suter, yeah, I’d burn assets to gain cap space.

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by Bower Power on Jan 31, 2012 11:13 AM EST up reply actions  

During the All Star game it was mentioned that Suter and Parise are good friends and that they might want to play somewhere together. That would be like Lebron and Bosh signing in Miami. Please let this be true and TO the destination.

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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Jan 31, 2012 11:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Don’t want Parise. Too old, too expensive, injuries, etc.

by Goosemonster on Jan 31, 2012 11:19 AM EST up reply actions  

although to be fair he just missed the one season. Still, he’s 27. I’d like a younger player to be part of the core.

by Goosemonster on Jan 31, 2012 11:20 AM EST up reply actions  

The Leafs window isn’t 5 years from now. It’s in the next 2-3 seasons. All the key players on this team are in their mid-to-late 20’s right now.

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by birky on Jan 31, 2012 11:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Nothing wrong with continually adding to a solid young core. I don’t think we’ll be a contender in 2 years, if I’m honest. Barring some sort of miracle.

by Goosemonster on Jan 31, 2012 11:24 AM EST up reply actions  

then the Leafs should be looking to move guys like Grabovski, Connolly, Lupul, etc.

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by birky on Jan 31, 2012 11:26 AM EST up reply actions  

pretty much, though as I’ve said before I doubt Lupul goes anywhere, especially not this season. I wouldn’t mind keeping Grabbo, but not at his market rate (e.g. 5+ million)

by Goosemonster on Jan 31, 2012 11:45 AM EST up reply actions  

A 5 yr deal for Parise would fit right in. getting his age 27-32 seasons would be a good snag. However I’m guessing he’s going to want a longer deal.

by WizardofNaz on Jan 31, 2012 11:24 AM EST up reply actions  

also he costs like 7 million now. He’ll want at least that much. No thanks.

by Goosemonster on Jan 31, 2012 11:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes thanks. He’s worth that much

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by nhlcheapshot on Jan 31, 2012 11:53 AM EST up reply actions  

You would be correct.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 31, 2012 11:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Parise is amazing. Burke will talk him into a 5 year deal.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jan 31, 2012 11:54 AM EST up reply actions  

This whole “too old” thing is getting out of hand. Just because a player is 27 doesn’t mean they’re an old man and it certainly doesn’t mean their play is going to fall off a cliff when they turn 28. Teams are not going to trade us their 20-22 year old core prospects for our riffraff. To say that the Leafs should ignore players just because they’re older than 24 is ridiculous

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by T is for Truculence on Jan 31, 2012 11:34 AM EST up reply actions  

I completely agfree. Its getting crazy.
How many players are even in the league by the time they’re 20-22? Only the elite. Stop this too old bullshit.

by Ben Schnell on Jan 31, 2012 11:37 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree. 27-31 is a players prime. We should be wary about buying players seasons when they are over 32. However if seasons 32-35 are part of the price for seasons 27-31 its worth it in the case of starts. However getting seasons say 30-35 of a decent but not great player would be a bad move. Or getting someone seasons 35+

by WizardofNaz on Jan 31, 2012 11:38 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree. 27-31 is a players prime.

Most players peak between 24 and 26. There are plenty of good players who are older than that, but most players have their best seasons in their mid-20s.

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by Draglikepull on Jan 31, 2012 11:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Sure. But there’s a difference between a player’s “best” season and being able to play at all. Players like Parise are not going to go from 100 to zero in a calendar year.

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by T is for Truculence on Jan 31, 2012 11:51 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree. The only player who can have an infinty% drop-off in goals in Scott Gomez.

by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 31, 2012 12:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I think someone has done a post on here before about how for Forwards “prime age” is around 24-30, whereas with Dmen it’s later, like 28-34

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by Shield on Jan 31, 2012 11:57 AM EST up reply actions  

I guess it depends how you define “prime age”. Most players have their best season between 24-26, and then production slowly declines as they age.

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by Draglikepull on Jan 31, 2012 11:59 AM EST up reply actions  

See this piece, for example:

http://www.arcticicehockey.com/2010/1/21/1261318/nhl-points-per-game-peak-age

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by Draglikepull on Jan 31, 2012 12:01 PM EST up reply actions  

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by Shield on Jan 31, 2012 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Canadian teams (sans Vancouver) don’t count and you know it.

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by SPERO on Jan 31, 2012 11:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, trades for bags of money are always a little weird.

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by Ubiquitous on Jan 31, 2012 11:51 AM EST up reply actions  

I have no problem with acquiring players older in their late 20s, I just think we should recognise that they’re unlikely to be as good as they were in their mid-20s.

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by Draglikepull on Jan 31, 2012 11:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Right. It’s pretty dangerous to be putting scoring responsibilities on those aged players, and it’s extremely dangerous if we’re giving up assets to do it. If you’re going to move a guy like Schenn, well, you don’t want it to be for an older player – you want to get as much of a young player’s upside as possible.

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by Bower Power on Jan 31, 2012 11:52 AM EST up reply actions  

WizardofNaz said it best: acquiring players who are already 30+, especially if it means giving up young players like Schenn, makes no sense. But if we pick up players who are in their mid-20s but are signed through to their 30s, then a case can be made for it

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by T is for Truculence on Jan 31, 2012 11:54 AM EST up reply actions  

We all realize players decline after age 31. However good players are still worth it until age 34 or 35. Sure we may be overpaying them a bit then but when we also get ages 27-31totally worth it.

by WizardofNaz on Jan 31, 2012 12:02 PM EST up reply actions  

We all realize players decline after age 31 26.

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by Draglikepull on Jan 31, 2012 1:09 PM EST up reply actions  

what was the average age of the 67 leaf team?

by hardfoot57 on Jan 31, 2012 1:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Napkin calculations

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by Ubiquitous on Jan 31, 2012 1:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Lotsa oldies on that team, Red Kelly was 39, Stanley was 40, Sawchuk was 37, Bower was 42, Armstrong was 36, and Pronovost was 36.

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by Ubiquitous on Jan 31, 2012 1:26 PM EST up reply actions  

We should have dumped them all for 24 year olds

by Ben Schnell on Jan 31, 2012 1:33 PM EST up reply actions  

yes because hockey is the exact same now as it was then.

by Goosemonster on Jan 31, 2012 1:34 PM EST up reply actions  

We should model our teams after pre-lockout winners.

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by Bower Power on Jan 31, 2012 1:38 PM EST up reply actions  

every post-lockout winner has won it a different way. why cant we win by having parise on our team?

by Ben Schnell on Jan 31, 2012 1:58 PM EST up reply actions  

We can and fucking will.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jan 31, 2012 2:02 PM EST up reply actions  

So players who are something better than “Hall of Famer” can contribute positively later in their careers. Neat.

I’d take Sundin, Selanne, Lidstrom, etc on a team now but that doesn’t mean that Brad Richards, Phil Kessel, etc. will contribute at that age.

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by Chemmy on Jan 31, 2012 1:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Indeed, an ancedote from 1967 proves basically nothing. Interesting tidbit, though.

To me it seems the major dropoff starts somewhere around 32, but the peak can start anywhere beforehand and they’ll be on the downslope well before 32 almost universally.

Also, goalies are weird and age means basically nothing.

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by Ubiquitous on Jan 31, 2012 1:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t have the exact data to back this up but I would guess for an average player who starts in the league at 21, they will have a steady increase till age 24 then plateau til age 31 with one or 2 spikes for his “best year(s)” then the steady decline for the rest of his career.

by WizardofNaz on Jan 31, 2012 1:44 PM EST up reply actions  

But again, for players like Parise, Nash etc they are declining from a much loftier peak than say, Tuomo Ruutu.

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by T is for Truculence on Jan 31, 2012 1:48 PM EST up reply actions  

I like Ruutu, an insane Finn seems to be essential for a succesful run in the playoffs

by hardfoot57 on Jan 31, 2012 1:56 PM EST up reply actions  

I already posted a link above that shows this to be untrue. Players don’t (generally) plateau in their late 20s, they decline.

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by Draglikepull on Jan 31, 2012 1:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I would like to see that graph for only players who had at least 5 seasons of consistantly high point totals. say more than 65pts in a season. Just by looking at examples of players, top scorers dont vary very much in their ppg’s in their 20’s beside their “spike” years

by WizardofNaz on Jan 31, 2012 1:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m saying the variability is way higher than the difference in means for those ages.

I.E. if you look at the graph you linked… the maximum difference in points for players ages 22-28 is 3.69 points per 82 games. (this average player is posting 34-37 points a season so that’s a 10%-11% difference)

However, players don’t often post year-to-year changes in ppg of less than 10%.

I.E i randomly chose bergeron… here’s his PPG by age.

21: .91
22: 10 gp (.7)
23: .61
24: .71
25: .71
26: .91

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by Ubiquitous on Jan 31, 2012 2:06 PM EST up reply actions  

That chart also deals with every player ever I believe and would include one year wonders. However when you go and find the top 10% of forwards I’m sure you’d find a different distribution.

And lets not forget we are mostly talking locking up the top players into deals that go from 27 and on. THAT is the data we need to look at not from the entire NHL including pluggers.

by WizardofNaz on Jan 31, 2012 2:14 PM EST up reply actions  

the shape and ages of the curve stays fairly consistent between those variables… the issue is scale.

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by Ubiquitous on Jan 31, 2012 2:15 PM EST up reply actions  

also, i specifically tried to choose someone who was 27-28, but Bergeron was born 7 days before the draft year cutoff my plan was ruined. (also i only name like 3 forwards drafted in 2004)

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by Ubiquitous on Jan 31, 2012 2:14 PM EST up reply actions  

General rules can’t tell you anything about individual players. There will always be guys whose individual arc doesn’t look like the norm (Patrick Sharp is a good example of a guy who’s really come on strong at a later age). If you’re a GM trying to decided what kind of money to offer a player, you have to do some kind of analysis to determine how likely you think that one particular player is to decline. But generally speaking, players (even good players) decline past their mid-20s.

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by Draglikepull on Jan 31, 2012 2:16 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s not that the curve is wrong… its just there’s too much variance for it to be useful.

Of course, expecting any UFA to produce like they did when they were 25 is silly….

Though, the money quote is in the comments:

A goaltender’s expected career length is the same whether he’s a 20-year-old rookie or a 27-year-old rookie.

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by Ubiquitous on Jan 31, 2012 2:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I think its about risk management – who knows how a player will perform in 3-5 years at any age. But its likely a 24 year old player will perform at or above his age 24 level in ages 25-26 than it is a 28 year old player will at 29-30.

They still have value and can be good players but you risk overpaying for those players based on the year at age 28 than at age 24.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 31, 2012 2:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Hence why Burke went somewhere without cell phones on July 1. For his own safety.

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by Ubiquitous on Jan 31, 2012 2:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Remember back when UFA age was 30-32 and we all thought it made more sense to acquire players in their mid 20s? It’s interesting that the curve has been pulled forward now that players are hitting UFA when they’re 26

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by T is for Truculence on Jan 31, 2012 2:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly

Stats based on players older than 35 are skewed because unless you’re fan-fucking-tastic (Selanne, Lidstrom, Progner, etc…) you’re not going to be playing at that age because you suck.

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by SkinnyFish on Jan 31, 2012 2:00 PM EST up reply actions  

all the more reason to almost never have a 35+ contract.

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haha I don’t entirely understand the discussion that’s going on up there but I approve

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by T is for Truculence on Jan 31, 2012 2:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I meant truely decline. I was pretty sure a player between 23-31 were fairly constant minus one or 2 “peak” years that were higher than the rest. However that it was after 31 that the steady decline began.

For instance Brad Richard had his best season at age 29 followed by his age 25 season and finally his age 30 season. However between his age 22 and 30 season he was fairly consistant aside from those “peak” years. However now that he’s 31 and on his true decline his ppg mark is back around where he was at ages 20 and 21 and it will slowly go down from there if history is any indication.

by WizardofNaz on Jan 31, 2012 1:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I guess I just don’t believe we’ll be a contender while those players are still at their peak production. Which is around 26/27.

by Goosemonster on Jan 31, 2012 11:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Contenders dont have every one of their players 27 or younger.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jan 31, 2012 11:54 AM EST up reply actions  

And there is something to be said about experience, especially on defence

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by T is for Truculence on Jan 31, 2012 11:55 AM EST up reply actions  

yes for defense I agree that experience is important, especially when it comes to shut down guys.

by Goosemonster on Jan 31, 2012 11:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Parise is incredibly talented and a 2-way player.

If there was any way on Earth that Burke could acquire him I’d probably be for it.

I also don’t think it will happen.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jan 31, 2012 11:59 AM EST up reply actions  

very true, but there is no one way to build a contender.

by Goosemonster on Jan 31, 2012 11:57 AM EST up reply actions  

DING DING DING

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by nhlcheapshot on Jan 31, 2012 11:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Wrong, Parise is amazing

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by nhlcheapshot on Jan 31, 2012 11:53 AM EST up reply actions  

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The New York Post is reporting that GMs inquiring about New Jersey Devils captain Zach Parise are being told that he will not be traded before the deadline.

It is believed that if the Devils are unable to sign him to an extension before July 1, when he would become an unrestricted free agent, they will try to shop his negotiating rights.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jan 31, 2012 12:00 PM EST up reply actions  

The CBA doesn’t expire until September 15th, which means teams can still throw wacky contracts at UFAs on July 1st. The Leafs will not be one of those teams. A team like the Rangers or the Wings, who have the cap space and have done those kind deals in the past are far likelier bets.

There’s just no way Brian Burke brings in a big star on July 1st if he won’t load up on the term. And he has established that he’s not willing to do that.

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by birky on Jan 31, 2012 11:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Well, he has used some lawyer talk that suggests Suter may be the kind of player he’s willing to do it for. Suter could probably play 10 more years.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 31, 2012 11:21 AM EST up reply actions  

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by birky on Jan 31, 2012 11:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Loves me some straws.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 31, 2012 1:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Burke has said in the past that he isn’t opposed to long-term deals, just long-tail deals with fake years on the end to lower the cap hit.

I also don’t think we should assume that just because Brad Richards and Ilya Kovalchuk signed retirement contracts that all big UFAs are looking for exactly the same thing.

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by Draglikepull on Jan 31, 2012 11:26 AM EST up reply actions  

Players want job security. If the difference is between the Rangers offering a 12 year deal and the Leafs offering a 7 or 8 year deal, I’d guess that, even if the money is similar, most players are taking the deal with New York.

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by birky on Jan 31, 2012 11:27 AM EST up reply actions  

If all Suter wanted was big money and long term, he probably already would have signed with the Predators.

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by Draglikepull on Jan 31, 2012 11:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Richards also knew this was his last shot at a big money deal. Suter and Parise on a 5 year deal would still only be 32 when they become UFA’s again and could sign another big-ish deal. They need a 12 year deal at least to guarentee it taking them to retirement.

by WizardofNaz on Jan 31, 2012 11:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Can you show me a deal in recent history where a star UFA took less money or term to sign with a team?

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by birky on Jan 31, 2012 11:29 AM EST up reply actions  

How would I do this without knowing what other teams offered?

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by Draglikepull on Jan 31, 2012 11:30 AM EST up reply actions  

I mean, Joe Thornton took a 3-year deal at $7 million per season from the Sharks, and I’d be willing to bet he could have gotten much more on the open market, but I can’t read other GMs minds.

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by Draglikepull on Jan 31, 2012 11:32 AM EST up reply actions  

The point was that it’s not just Richards and Kovalchuk. Teams are locking up almost all of the star players to long-term deals at big money, and the recent top free agents have gotten ludicrous deals.

There’s absolutely no suggestion that Suter prefers Toronto or wants to play in Toronto. However, there is evidence that teams are willing to offer wacky contracts to the top free agents. And they generally take them.

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by birky on Jan 31, 2012 11:45 AM EST up reply actions  

This is basically a mind-reading game.

“Burke isn’t interested in signing top tier free agents to anything but short-term deals.”

“Ryan Suter wants to to sign with the highest bidder.”

I can’t possibly counter it because I can’t pretend to know what people I’ve never met are thinking.

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by Draglikepull on Jan 31, 2012 11:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Isn’t nearly everything we talk about on here a mind-reading game?

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by birky on Jan 31, 2012 11:51 AM EST up reply actions  

I knew you were going to say that.

I don’t think players sign only with the highest bidder. The city, team, opportunity, and their familes must come into play. However I do think that longer term deals with the guranteed contract offer stability that would be hard for the players to ignore.

I know that these were issues I thought about before taking on my current possition which was at first not the higgest $ offer that I had,

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by Eterrible on Jan 31, 2012 1:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I knew you would be the first to respond to mind-reading questions!

by Dr_Furious on Jan 31, 2012 1:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I guess I’m not that great at this, I fully expected to see the comment following mine to say…

“I knew your comment was going to suck”

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by Eterrible on Jan 31, 2012 2:06 PM EST up reply actions  

You mean to sign with a new team? Because it happens to current teams all the time – Gleason just signed for less than market value to stay in Carolina, for example. Not sure why a player would refuse a team’s reasonable offer if they want to be there for some reason.

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by Bower Power on Jan 31, 2012 11:32 AM EST up reply actions  

yes. As a UFA.

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by birky on Jan 31, 2012 11:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Is there a difference between being a UFA and heading to UFA? You’re either talking about a player who’s hunting money or he isn’t.

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by Bower Power on Jan 31, 2012 11:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Ryan Suter says he’s not re-signing before the summer. Is he hunting money?

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by birky on Jan 31, 2012 11:42 AM EST up reply actions  

That or rings.

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by Ubiquitous on Jan 31, 2012 11:43 AM EST up reply actions  

This. My money is he will find a way to acquire both.

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by SPERO on Jan 31, 2012 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

TO THE DETROIT RED WINGS!!!1

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by Ubiquitous on Jan 31, 2012 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

This does make the most sense…

Especially if Nick retires.

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That is basically every player’s dream isn’t it?

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by T is for Truculence on Jan 31, 2012 11:56 AM EST up reply actions  

He said he’s not re-signing until after the trade deadline. Supposedly him and Suter both want to see what kind of moves the team makes to improve at the deadline.

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by Draglikepull on Jan 31, 2012 11:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Honestly? Considering the cash Poile just shelled out for the Pekka Rinne contract? And is trying to shell out for Weber’s? Either Poile was trying to scrimp and save on Suter (dumb), or no, I don’t think Suter’s looking for the cash as much as he is the cup. I think this is doubly true if, as Draglikepull mentioned, he really is willing to sign with the team if Poile makes an improvement at the deadline.

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by Bower Power on Jan 31, 2012 11:53 AM EST up reply actions  

I’m pretty sure he’s said publically he prefers to stay in Nashville but wants to see the direction the team takes before signing longterm.

I think both him and Weber are waiting for some sort of move. I would not be surprised if Weber and Suter either both sign or neither signs long term.

by WizardofNaz on Jan 31, 2012 12:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Obviously I can’t show where they took less of both.

However a player who is only 27 might be willing to take a shorter term on a higher AAV knowing he can sign his retirement contract later.

For instance say the Preds offered Suter 12/60 (5 mil per aav) and the Leafs offered 5/32.5 (6.5 per aav) Suter might take the Leafs offer knowing/thinking he can still get 7 years worth of contracts worth over 27.5 mil (less than 4mil per) when he’s 32 and a UFA again.

by WizardofNaz on Jan 31, 2012 11:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Hossa 1-year w/ Detroit

No no, dig UP stupid.

by nhlcheapshot on Jan 31, 2012 11:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Vokoun 1-year w/ Washington

by Ben Schnell on Jan 31, 2012 1:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Mats Sundin used to to do it for us all the time didnt he?

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by Matt_Roberts on Jan 31, 2012 1:38 PM EST up reply actions  

And he has established that he’s not willing to do that.

By choosing not to top Richards’ and Kovalchuk’s insane deals? Meh.

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by Bower Power on Jan 31, 2012 11:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Why wouldn’t a team offer the same type of deal to Suter?

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by birky on Jan 31, 2012 11:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Someone probably will – I mean, I dont think anyone offers the Kovalchuk deal again, but he’ll probably get a long tail deal on the table. I just think Burke may entertain matching or drawing up a similar offer (if not with a tail, then a similar cash, higher cap hit figure). I also think that based on organizational need, if there’s a player that Burke will bust out the lawyer-speak and backtracking for, it should/would/could be Ryan Suter.

And besides – if the Leafs don’t sign him because Burke chose not to, that’s different to me than having “no chance.” It means we had the chance, and didn’t. From a player’s perspective, I don’t think Suter would say “oh, it’s Toronto? Hang up the phone.”

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by Bower Power on Jan 31, 2012 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Nobody in hockey has indicated that Ryan Suter has a preference towards Toronto. So I’m basing my argument completely on the idea that the Leafs either can’t or won’t outbid other teams for Suter’s services.

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by birky on Jan 31, 2012 11:46 AM EST up reply actions  

I haven’t seen any mention of Suter’s preferences, besides his hope to stay in Nashville.

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by Bower Power on Jan 31, 2012 11:54 AM EST up reply actions  

I don’t believe Glen Sather has enough cap space this season so he won’t be crazy overpaid.

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by Ubiquitous on Jan 31, 2012 11:55 AM EST up reply actions  

The Rangers have enough space this summer.

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by birky on Jan 31, 2012 11:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh wow you’re right. Might as well quit the FAF then. Sather might be able to give eight figures to more than one person with that much space.

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by Ubiquitous on Jan 31, 2012 12:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow, they have a ton of space. Del Zotto won’t get much, Wolski is going to come down. They also really need to try and make a run in 2013-14, before Ludnqvist, Girardi, and Gaborik all get re-signed.

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by Bower Power on Jan 31, 2012 12:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Wolski is going to come down

RFA. Min QO is $3.8M.

They’ll let him walk.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jan 31, 2012 12:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I was anticipating the Christian Hanson special, but yeah, they could just pack his bags.

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by Bower Power on Jan 31, 2012 12:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Suter and Kessel are BFFs. Who knows?

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by Chemmy on Jan 31, 2012 12:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Red Wings will

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by nhlcheapshot on Jan 31, 2012 11:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Suter isn’t going anywhere. It’s just not going to happen, NSH has been very clear about that, and they are in a playoffs race.

by Goosemonster on Jan 31, 2012 11:07 AM EST up reply actions  

You really think the best Nashville can do is Gunnarsson and a meh prospect? Even if Suter demanded to be traded to the Leafs and only the Leafs (and it’s not like he has a NMC or anything) they would be able to get more than that out of Burke.

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by T is for Truculence on Jan 31, 2012 11:07 AM EST up reply actions  

They could probably get a first for his UFA rights.

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by Ubiquitous on Jan 31, 2012 11:09 AM EST up reply actions  

might be stretching it. Who would trade a first without a guarantee he won’t test the free market?

by Goosemonster on Jan 31, 2012 11:18 AM EST up reply actions  

It’d probably be a conditional first, but Bryz was worth a third rounder… so he’s worth more than that at least.

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by Ubiquitous on Jan 31, 2012 11:24 AM EST up reply actions  

All I was saying

Is that essentially, Gunnar is too valuable to us to be going anywhere unless its hugely beneficial to us.

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(e.g) Couterier

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by Buds'n'Syrup on Jan 31, 2012 11:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Gunnarsson is one of those players who is much more valuable to the Leafs than another team. He does many things well, but is not particularly exceptional in any one specific facet of the game. This makes him a versatile, useful piece, but every team thinks they have a defenseman in the system who can do the same thing.

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by T is for Truculence on Jan 31, 2012 11:17 AM EST up reply actions  

he’s a top 4 on any team.

by Goosemonster on Jan 31, 2012 11:18 AM EST up reply actions  

except perhaps a team with the deepest of defense (e.g. NSH?)

by Goosemonster on Jan 31, 2012 11:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Suter is gone soon.

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by Redonred on Jan 31, 2012 11:21 AM EST up reply actions  

They lost Dan Hamhuis for nothing I can’t see them letting Suter walk for free too. Terrible asset management if they aren’t a top 5 contender for the cup this yr.

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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Jan 31, 2012 11:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Nashville’s defense isn’t that deep.

They have one of, if not the best parings in the game in Weber & Suter. But outside of that, it ain’t all that great. Blum and Ellis have great potential, but they could use a guy like Gunnarson to round things out.

by samspade on Jan 31, 2012 11:55 AM EST up reply actions  

They have one of, if not the best parings in the game in Weber & Suter. But outside of that, it ain’t all that great. Blum and Ellis have great potential, but they could use a guy like GunnarsonHamhuis to round things out.

by Ben Schnell on Jan 31, 2012 1:20 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s not just his actual play, but also his cap hit. If he was making $4 million a year it would make a lot more sense to trade him, but at under $2 million a year he’s an absolute steal. Having good players on below-value contracts is a big advantage in a cap system.

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by Draglikepull on Jan 31, 2012 11:19 AM EST up reply actions  

One year left, then he’s an RFA, he’ll get a raise soon enough.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 31, 2012 11:20 AM EST up reply actions  

So give him a raise in a year. He’ll have earned it, and we have virtually no one signed past next season. He still provides good value for the next year and a half, and he’s still RFA after that.

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by Draglikepull on Jan 31, 2012 11:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Dreger said the above last night on C & Company

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by birky on Jan 31, 2012 10:39 AM EST up reply actions  

What I heard Dreger say was that the Leafs are still interested in JVR and that Gleason coming off the market may bring Burke and Holmgren together again to talk trade. I don’t think he named Gunnarsson or Schenn specifically.

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by Draglikepull on Jan 31, 2012 10:41 AM EST up reply actions  

I am breaking something if it is Gunnarsson.

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by BCapp on Jan 31, 2012 12:25 PM EST up reply actions  

ahhm

the guy on the right is available

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by OffTheChest on Jan 31, 2012 10:40 AM EST reply actions  

$5 says they are all 4 beers deep

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by leafer1984 on Jan 31, 2012 10:41 AM EST up reply actions  

you’d have to be to watch an Eagles game, wouldn’t you?

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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 31, 2012 10:43 AM EST up reply actions  

That is disrespectful!

They are hockey players they’d be at least 8 deep.

by WizardofNaz on Jan 31, 2012 11:11 AM EST up reply actions  

It looks pre-game, and since I doubt that they were out in the parking lot tailgating… I doubt they were 8 beers deep… once they went up to the luxury box all bets are off though

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by Chi-town leafs on Jan 31, 2012 11:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Ahh and here I was thinking it was postgame and they had just come from the luxury box. 8 over the course of one football game would’ve been light drinking.

by WizardofNaz on Jan 31, 2012 11:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Depends… if those are field passes they’re wearing that allow them to watch 1 or more quarters from the sideline, you can’t drink on the sideline… which is one less quarter you can drink.

My dad once had a quarter long sideline pass to a college football game, apparently it’s about the most fun you can have, minus having to watch out for players get tackled out of bounds

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by Chi-town leafs on Jan 31, 2012 12:29 PM EST up reply actions  

and, apparently, minus the drinking.

by Goosemonster on Jan 31, 2012 12:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I was pretty jealous, that’s a trade I’m willing to make 10 times out of 10… especially since he was down in the red zone

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by Chi-town leafs on Jan 31, 2012 12:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Not that he’s available at all, but would anyone else be Ok with getting Hartnell? Depending on cost of course (which would be fairly high based on this season)

I liked him enough during the ASG, and he certainly has truculence…. but I’m not so sure I’d want him.

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He’s a pretty consistent performer having a career year. Would cost way to much, and this is likely his peak.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 31, 2012 10:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Kind of what I thought, that he’d cost too much since he’s having a career year.

Otherwise, he wouldn’t be too bad

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by Chi-town leafs on Jan 31, 2012 10:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Well he is getting older as well. One more year left on his deal. Not ideal, but in a vacuum I’d love him on this team.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 31, 2012 10:55 AM EST up reply actions  

That’s gold.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 31, 2012 12:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Trade you your crummy old Hartnel for my tasty new Dupuis.

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The waiting is the worst hardest part

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by Chi-town leafs on Jan 31, 2012 10:58 AM EST up reply actions  

why

not blue-green yet?

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by Buds'n'Syrup on Jan 31, 2012 11:15 AM EST up reply actions  

wow I Mother Earth. Did not expect that.

by Goosemonster on Jan 31, 2012 1:59 PM EST up reply actions  

i used to be a huge fan. Jag was my idol.

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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 31, 2012 2:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m not sure if that’s more or less embarrassing than the fact that I loved Duran Duran when I was 7.

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Go feel shame.

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by not norm ullman on Jan 31, 2012 2:16 PM EST up reply actions  

well i was about 15 at the time, so I’m assuming more.

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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 31, 2012 2:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Of note is that IME is reuniting for a show at the Sound Academy I think. If I was anywhere near Toronto I would definitely go:

http://www.ticketmaster.com/I-Mother-Earth-tickets/artist/774379

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by Caleafornia on Jan 31, 2012 2:31 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah, i just saw that. i would probably go if i were still inToronto as well.

the show’s sold out though.

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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 31, 2012 2:34 PM EST up reply actions  

It doesn’t have Edwin, so fuck them.

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by leafer1984 on Jan 31, 2012 3:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Edwin is a dick. I met all the guys in the band and he was the only one who seemed to have an ego of any kind.

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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 31, 2012 3:12 PM EST up reply actions  

He is better than Brian Byrne.

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by leafer1984 on Jan 31, 2012 3:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Brian was funny though. i was talking to him at the urinal after a show one time. he was really nice.

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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 31, 2012 3:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Just putting this out there.

I love a Tomas Plekanec in a leafs uniform…

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Playoff number crunching for Canadian contingent

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/opinion/2012/01/playoff-number-crunching-for-canadian-contingent.html

37 points in 33 games doesn’t seem too daunting.

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by MLS on Jan 31, 2012 11:38 AM EST reply actions  

It is certainly doable. That being said the Leafs need to acquire as much points as possible before March. The schedule in March is a killer and with the pressure on them it might be difficult for them to squeeze the points.

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by SPERO on Jan 31, 2012 11:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Leafs have a soft schedule to close things out.

Montreal, Tampa Bay and Buffalo twice.

If they can get to the beginning of April with their hands on a playoff spot or within a game, they should control their own destiny.

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by clrkaitken on Jan 31, 2012 11:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Leafs need Capitals to regain form and trounce Florida a few times.

Good news is that the Devils has several matchups against the Flyers, Rangers, and Penguins to knock them down a bit.

The most important games are the ones we have against the Sens.

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by SkinnyFish on Jan 31, 2012 11:48 AM EST up reply actions  

BIngo. Leafs need to win both those are big 4 points

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by leafer1984 on Jan 31, 2012 11:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Win those two and the Sens’ lead completely evaporates.

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by SkinnyFish on Jan 31, 2012 11:51 AM EST up reply actions  

win the next three and we’re a point ahead of the Sens with the same number of games played.

by Goosemonster on Jan 31, 2012 11:52 AM EST up reply actions  

And that third game is against Ottawa as well, so we’d still be in hand

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It’s the Toronto Maple Leafs. You’ve just doomed us to 36 points in 33 games after a Phil Kessel clear goal isn’t noticed and the team that will finish one spot ahead of us scores on the rush the other way.

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by Chemmy on Jan 31, 2012 12:00 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I hate when this (inevitably) happens

by SlickWill on Jan 31, 2012 3:04 PM EST up reply actions  

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Fleury starts in goal tonight. Gustavsson for Toronto.

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Gustavsson starts in goal tonight. Pittsburgh expects to score a Fleury.

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by Draglikepull on Jan 31, 2012 11:50 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

WAKKA WAKKA

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by SkinnyFish on Jan 31, 2012 11:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Something I learned today, waka flocka has a fozzie bear chain.

by Tickle Me Aulie on Jan 31, 2012 2:23 PM EST up reply actions  

I have both of them on my fantasy team… along with Niemi playing Columbus tonight.

Now obviously Niemi vs CBJ is the easy one to play. And I’ve decided I have to sit the other 2 instead of playing one of them.

My head says starting Gus would hurt because of how hot Malkin is right now, however my heart says starting Fleury would suck even worse because the Leafs are going to win!

Hence neither get chosen.

That means its going to be a 1-0 game.

by WizardofNaz on Jan 31, 2012 12:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I have Anderson and Thomas and I’m HOPING that Boston wins because I played Thomas instead of playing both… I also have Gus so leafs better win too. I hate when my fandom gets in the way of my fantasy stats.

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by Buds'n'Syrup on Jan 31, 2012 12:16 PM EST up reply actions  

To be fair I could’ve sat all my goalies for the rest of the week and won 3/4 of the categories easily. Because its the 2 weeks combined because of the ASG I have the min 3GP already. In those 3 games I have 3 wins 2 of them shutouts and Fleury let in one goal. I have a 0.65 GAA and a .976 sv%. The guy I’m playing has 0 wins a 3.02 and a .872. I think I’m safe.

by WizardofNaz on Jan 31, 2012 12:20 PM EST up reply actions  

We write better articles…

At least it's not Lebda.

by Nifty Mittens on Jan 31, 2012 12:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Did that scientist even watch the hand motions?

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by SkinnyFish on Jan 31, 2012 12:18 PM EST up reply actions  

The other hand got all the calls from the ref.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 31, 2012 12:58 PM EST up reply actions  

people also value the stuff they already have over the stuff they don’t. which impacts our reactions to trades.

Move along. Nothing to see here...

by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 31, 2012 2:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Absolutely. I’ll have to drag out the post I did about the endowment effect over the summer and give it a trade deadline polish.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 31, 2012 2:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Took me a good 5 minutes to remember who this guy was, even after reading the article.

by lucc on Jan 31, 2012 12:28 PM EST up reply actions  

He’s just getting ready to take the league by storm.

No no, dig UP stupid.

by nhlcheapshot on Jan 31, 2012 12:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Saw that on twitter last night and thought of you.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 31, 2012 12:58 PM EST up reply actions  

<3

No no, dig UP stupid.

by nhlcheapshot on Jan 31, 2012 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Traded Markstrom for Bryzgalov in my keeper league over the all star break, hoping Universe does me/us a favour and beats the jets tonight!

by Ben Schnell on Jan 31, 2012 12:26 PM EST reply actions  

Liles doesn't think he has a concussion

Per Jonas Siegal:

http://www.tsn.ca/toronto/blogs/jonas_siegel/?id=386498

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by kudzupo on Jan 31, 2012 12:47 PM EST reply actions  

Liles doesn't think eh has a concussion... but he's not sure if he can remember where his beds and TV... is.

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by JP Nikota on Jan 31, 2012 12:52 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t think im an asshole.

Doesn’t mean it’s not true.

No no, dig UP stupid.

by nhlcheapshot on Jan 31, 2012 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

So since we’ve had a while to get used to it, how does everybody feel about our new goal song this season?

I miss the old one, even though other teams(like Boston) used it. The new one is too happy sounding. It should be more fuck-yeah-in-your-face-let’s-do-it-again sounding.

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by joe leaf fan on Jan 31, 2012 1:12 PM EST reply actions  

I like when we score goals

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by Chemmy on Jan 31, 2012 1:19 PM EST up reply actions  

better goal song = more goals. fact.

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by joe leaf fan on Jan 31, 2012 1:21 PM EST up reply actions  

then clearly the players like this song. which means I am all for it

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by kudzupo on Jan 31, 2012 1:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I think random shit should blow up whenever the Leafs score a goal.

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by Alspicer on Jan 31, 2012 1:27 PM EST up reply actions  

it makes for more pleasant post-game threads, thats for sure.

by Goosemonster on Jan 31, 2012 1:48 PM EST up reply actions  

The result of the previous game pretty much sets my mood until the next one.

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by joe leaf fan on Jan 31, 2012 1:53 PM EST up reply actions  

usually if we lose a stinker we descend into anger and drunk posts. I am implicated in such things as well.

by Goosemonster on Jan 31, 2012 2:00 PM EST up reply actions  

It grew on me when we started scoring in bunches and Kessel and Phaneuf jumped into each other’s arms.

by MrSmithy on Jan 31, 2012 1:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I bought a signed picture of that shot at the All Star Fan Fair. I look at it every 15 seconds and smile.

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by joe leaf fan on Jan 31, 2012 1:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I like it. I find that whenever we score, even on the road, this song pops into my head now. I also get happy whenever I hear it, even if it’s not after a Leafs goal. It’s not the best or most original song ever, but at least it’s catchy and happy.

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by Shield on Jan 31, 2012 1:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I haven’t heard Heave Away all year, do they still play it after we win a home game?

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by Alspicer on Jan 31, 2012 1:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Nope

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by leafer1984 on Jan 31, 2012 1:50 PM EST up reply actions  

This is the only thing I care about. I barely notice the goal song because I’m usually yelling. Heave Away was one of the best parts of Leafs wins, and now it’s gone because people make terrible decisions.

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by The Bag on Jan 31, 2012 4:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I like “The Whip”. They could play Justin bieber for all I care tho, a win is a win

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by leafer1984 on Jan 31, 2012 4:19 PM EST up reply actions  

It might make Bozak score more.

by Goosemonster on Jan 31, 2012 4:21 PM EST up reply actions  

If it’s not going to be Heave Away, I don’t care what it is. That was just a cool tradition.

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by The Bag on Jan 31, 2012 5:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Fucking awful but the important part is the act of scoring goals.

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by Redonred on Jan 31, 2012 1:30 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

as i get older

it’s getting harder and harder for me to have a beer at lunch without feeling like I need to have a nap under my desk afterwards.

Move along. Nothing to see here...

by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 31, 2012 2:22 PM EST reply actions  

I wouldn’t mind having a nap every day after lunch. For the life of me I don’t understand why we stop doing this after kindergarten

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by T is for Truculence on Jan 31, 2012 2:26 PM EST up reply actions  

for the sake of the economy.

then again, I think some places in Germany do it still…

Move along. Nothing to see here...

by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 31, 2012 2:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I bet Spain does. And they call it a siesta too, so it sounds exotic.

Then again their unemployment rate just hit 23% so it’s probably not the best idea

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by T is for Truculence on Jan 31, 2012 2:30 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s a ridiculous idea. "Hey, let’s go take a nap while there are thousands of tourists outside looking for ways to spend money".

That's "Da-ooo". Like the drink.

by daoust on Jan 31, 2012 2:35 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah, i found that as well. then again it’s a great excuse to sleep off a hangover for a few hours, and a way to re-charge your batteries for another night of fun

Move along. Nothing to see here...

by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 31, 2012 2:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Nothing fuels the economy like another night of fun. After all, there’s nothing more fun than fun.

That's "Da-ooo". Like the drink.

by daoust on Jan 31, 2012 2:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Well-said, Ralph, but we’re trying to come up with a name for a toy.

Move along. Nothing to see here...

by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 31, 2012 2:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Which is why I only sell FUN!!! brand FUN!!!!™

I’m all about the authenticity.

I shot a moose once, in upstate New York.

by not norm ullman on Jan 31, 2012 2:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Do you sell any Artisan Fun?

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 31, 2012 2:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Like I said, AUTHENTICITY.

Let’s leave the artists out of this.

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by not norm ullman on Jan 31, 2012 3:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m almost positive I read a study somewhere that said the early-afternoon nap is incredibly effective at boosting morale and productivity compared to those who do not nap. It may even be in our genes, as our early ancestors would not hunt or farm under the blistering noon-afternoon sun. Naps are good.

by MrSmithy on Jan 31, 2012 3:19 PM EST up reply actions  

If they feel the need to replicate the study I will volunteer myself for science

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by T is for Truculence on Jan 31, 2012 3:21 PM EST up reply actions  

They do, in fact, do that in Spain

Lots of places do. Heck, many people did in Vietnam. Those people were nap masters.

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by JP Nikota on Jan 31, 2012 4:32 PM EST up reply actions  

lots of places do, it’s common in the Middle East as well where people don’t really want to go out in the hot sun in the afternoon so nap till the evening and then go about their business.

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by LeafFan1989 on Jan 31, 2012 4:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh yeah, people think it sounds exotic and nice, but it SUCKS.

Usually, afternoon siestas happen in places that are so hot that you can’t do anything other than lie still once the sun is out.

Spent a few weeks working in rural Spain, and it hit 40 most days.

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by JP Nikota on Jan 31, 2012 4:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Was there over the summer. It was once 40 degrees at 7 pm. It was scary how hot it got.

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by The Bag on Jan 31, 2012 5:08 PM EST up reply actions  

from what I hear, in Italy August is the worst time to go because nobody works

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by leafer1984 on Jan 31, 2012 4:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I had the same observation

But I was there in May-June.

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by JP Nikota on Jan 31, 2012 4:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Wherever I went, I saw piles of bricks waiting to be used, shovels discarded on the ground, piles of dirt from half-dug holes… it was strange.

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by JP Nikota on Jan 31, 2012 4:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Was this last year? It could have been because they are in financial ruin and have I believe the second largest debt of any G8 nation

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by leafer1984 on Jan 31, 2012 4:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Nay.

This was 2006.

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by JP Nikota on Jan 31, 2012 4:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh. Then I dunno.

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by leafer1984 on Jan 31, 2012 4:48 PM EST up reply actions  

I was there on my honeymoon in Oct 2004. Same thing.

It’s almost as if their lackadaisacal work ethic is having an impact on the health of their economy.

That's "Da-ooo". Like the drink.

by daoust on Jan 31, 2012 5:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, there’s that, the complete inability to collect (or desire to pay) taxes, the crippling (and in some places, corrupt) bureaucracy, a culture that never seems to expect kids to move out of their parents’ places…I mean, I’m actually a little impressed Italy gets anything done, to be honest.

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by Bower Power on Jan 31, 2012 5:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Expand that to include all of Western Europe. It’s just what they do. My company is HQ’d in the Neatherlands, and don’t shit get done in August.

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by SkinnyFish on Jan 31, 2012 6:25 PM EST up reply actions  

My predictions for this game:

- Kessel goes full unicorn, lasers take out Fleury.
- Lupul puts his “mirror” jersey on backwards. No one notices.
- Crabb shuffles sideways in front of Fleury and scores a muddy goal in front of the net.
- Steckel, as he does everyday, continues to be Steckelin’.
- The Goose goes into full monster form, consuming Malkin as well as whichever poor Wilkes-Scranton call-up happens to be nearby.

by Goosemonster on Jan 31, 2012 3:29 PM EST reply actions  

Appropos of nothing:

I just realized I have the same birthday as Joe Colborne. Woohoo?

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by T is for Truculence on Jan 31, 2012 4:09 PM EST reply actions  

better than being born on the same day as Milan Lucic.

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by mariamS on Jan 31, 2012 4:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Fair point.

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by T is for Truculence on Jan 31, 2012 4:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I found out that I share a birthday with Adam Oates. Pretty cool, not gonna lie, but I was happier knowing I also share one with Sgt. Slaughter, and Rick Martel.

If you look up "Loyalty" in the dictionary you'll see a picture of a Leafs fan wearing a Todd Gill jeresy looking like he just got punched in the stomach

by Ghostsof on Jan 31, 2012 4:19 PM EST up reply actions  

William fuckin Shatner

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by leafer1984 on Jan 31, 2012 4:19 PM EST up reply actions  

…Shatner, I’d fight William Shatner

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by Ghostsof on Jan 31, 2012 4:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Duuude we share a bday!

by WizardofNaz on Jan 31, 2012 4:37 PM EST up reply actions  

DAMMIT I TOTALLY FORGOT ABOUT THIS
#KHL CSKA demoted Nikita Filatov to the MHL (junior team). What a change of events for him. #Sens

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA

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by leafer1984 on Jan 31, 2012 4:51 PM EST reply actions  

also: massive fail for a 6th pick.

by Goosemonster on Jan 31, 2012 4:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Correction:

3rd round pick.

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by JP Nikota on Jan 31, 2012 4:56 PM EST up reply actions  

He meant overall when he was drafted by Columbus

If you look up "Loyalty" in the dictionary you'll see a picture of a Leafs fan wearing a Todd Gill jeresy looking like he just got punched in the stomach

by Ghostsof on Jan 31, 2012 4:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, just one of those ‘never-put-it-together’ situations.

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by JP Nikota on Jan 31, 2012 4:58 PM EST up reply actions  

We’ve all been there. Some of us live there

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by Ghostsof on Jan 31, 2012 4:59 PM EST up reply actions  

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