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Leafs game didn't go as planned but Toronto's in eighth tonight. Let's relax a little.
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Anyone able to point me to a place where I can find goal support given to each goalie without having to manually add it up like a tool?
Gus
is getting almost 1 more goal/game support than last season….
they coudln't score because they had no confidence in him
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 31, 2012 11:01 PM EST up reply actions
So you agree with us last year. I’ll freely admit that to be consistent I’ll state the reverse this year.
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It’s been awhile
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it’s better than usual, but I’m much calmer now then I was earlier, so maybe I’m over compensating
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by CameronSorley on Jan 31, 2012 10:49 PM EST up reply actions
9th in 06-07, 8th in 05-06.
RIP Former-and-forever Leaf Wade Belak
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by Bower Power on Jan 31, 2012 11:04 PM EST up reply actions
aka ’the years Mats almost single-handedly took us to the playoffs"
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Just remembered…the Leafs were sitting in 8th after beating the Habs in 07 before the Islanders beat the Devils on Easter Sunday.
by smcs on Jan 31, 2012 11:09 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Though in 2005-06, they had been rapidly sinking since about mid-January.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Feb 1, 2012 12:43 AM EST up reply actions
As long as florida loses its two games in hand.
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by Bower Power on Jan 31, 2012 10:59 PM EST up reply actions
Like the Senators losing 4 games in a row so Leafs are now just 4 points back of Senators with 3 games in hand. #SensAreCatchable
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by HockeyAnalysis on Jan 31, 2012 11:07 PM EST up reply actions
And the SNES fail tonight makes the Leafs fail look like a puppy dressed in rainbows.
What is life without hope?
by danishmarshmallow on Jan 31, 2012 11:12 PM EST up reply actions
That half rink goal on Anderson was hilarious.
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Remember how every SNES fan ever made fun of us for that 185 foot ToskaLOL goal?
At least that blooper wasn’t the GWG. In fact, the Leafs actually managed to win that game.
All about context. Hilarious, hilarious context.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Feb 1, 2012 12:47 AM EST up reply actions
http://www.sportsclubstats.com/NHL/Eastern.html
Playoff odds actually have the Leafs above the Sens after Boston’s win last night.
Can we start the Gose watch yet?
A positive could be that Reimer might get the start tomorrow. Gus could have stopped two of those, especially the Penguins third goal which he failed to corral in the crease. Hopefully Wilson’s sophisticated “win and you’re in” goalie selection algorithm leads him to give Reimer a shot, especially in the 2nd half of a back to back.
The if Reimer’s back up to speed, fingers crossed, the sky’s the limit.
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by Peter de Chatham on Jan 31, 2012 11:46 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
not going to blame Gus
and i’m one of his biggest detractors.
Honestly? This game was bad luck and the whole team crapping the bed for 10 minutes. They deserved 2 pts but didn’t close it out. That’s what happened.
We move on.
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by pevans on Jan 31, 2012 11:52 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I’m not especially going to blame Gus, though he deserves some of it. The failure to at least get some decent puck possession or trapping game going in that final few minutes sealed the deal more than anything else.
Still, it’s enough of Gus’s fault that I can see Wilson going with Reimer tomorrow.
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by Peter de Chatham on Feb 1, 2012 12:02 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
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by CanadianMaple09 on Jan 31, 2012 11:53 PM EST up reply actions
Kerry Fraser repo’d it
At least it's not Lebda.
by Nifty Mittens on Feb 1, 2012 12:40 AM EST up reply actions
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This is much more disturbing then I intended.
#cantsleepclownswilleatme
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by Nifty Mittens on Feb 1, 2012 12:49 AM EST up reply actions
I'm here for chillaxing
And bitching about NHL12’s simulator. It’s fucking bogus
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lol you bet on the leafs
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How much did you bet?
leaf fan stuck in ottawa, a localized black hole that will suck everything in that area to oblivion.
Just 20 bucks, I’m just trying to prove a point that the Devils aren’t any good. We bet before the season and he thought the Devils were in the running for the Atlantic title, I told him they wouldn’t even finish ahead of the Leafs.
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by Travis Hughes on Jan 31, 2012 11:03 PM EST up reply actions
I’ve thought the Devil’s were going to suck for about 5 seasons. they consistently prove me wrong.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 31, 2012 11:04 PM EST up reply actions
Still hoping the bottom falls out before Lou forfeits that 1st.
I mean I’d feel bad for die-hard Devils fans left with a wreck of a team and no 1st while Lou slinks away covered in blood, but damn the Devils are a fascinating train wreck waiting to happen.
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by Travis Hughes on Jan 31, 2012 11:07 PM EST up reply actions
I made this bet with someone last year and won…
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by theninjagreg on Jan 31, 2012 11:04 PM EST up reply actions
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by CameronSorley on Jan 31, 2012 10:50 PM EST up reply actions
We need a gif of Brown shrugging off Engelland and destroying him
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see more positives!
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by CameronSorley on Jan 31, 2012 10:52 PM EST up reply actions
You are also not a fan of a team starting Steve Mason tonight. Even more positives!
CCT, CBJ, SU, NYM, Bills Fan. It can be depressing.
Sometimes I tweet things
If Wilson doesn’t start Reimer tomorrow I think it’s safe to assume he’s got some sort of nagging injury
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I’m going to go with some sort of egotism/mental health issue.
Wait, did you mean Reimer?
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by mf37 on Jan 31, 2012 10:57 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
Reimer is one conditioning stint away from being Jonas Gustavsson vintage 2011.
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I hope YouTube comes down to film this.
We don’t need a goalie. /burke’d
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by mf37 on Jan 31, 2012 11:02 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Can’t spell lose without Le, which is French. Fuck the Habs
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by happiergilmore on Jan 31, 2012 10:56 PM EST reply actions
Start stretching now for tomorrow’s inevitable Sex Panther: NHL Goaltender or Not? battle. We’re in the stretch run here. Don’t want to lose anyone to a sore hammy.
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siiiiiiigh.
he’s 7-3-1 in January. .926 SV%.
if he’s our backup from here on out, who’s complaining about those numbers?
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 31, 2012 10:58 PM EST up reply actions
if he’s our backup
Nobody.
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I’ve been on record for weeks saying that Reimer should be starting. considering the circumstances, I’d say Gus has done quite well.
time to move on.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 31, 2012 11:01 PM EST up reply actions
yuuuuuup.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 31, 2012 11:04 PM EST up reply actions
The good news? All we’ve got to do is tie them in points, their tiebreaks are gonna suck. The bad news? Good luck catching them if they keep getting stray points. lol…
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This game in gif form

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by theninjagreg on Jan 31, 2012 11:01 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
pwned
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 31, 2012 11:02 PM EST up reply actions
currently ripping CDs to my library to ensure I have my entire collection in digital format. pretty fucking tedious, especially when I have 4 of 10 tracks on a CD and have to individually select tracks to burn.
hockey-related: fuck this game, we’ll get em tomorrow.
That's "Da-ooo". Like the drink.
do you not have Google Music in Canada?
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 31, 2012 11:03 PM EST up reply actions
music.google.com
upload all your music for free. access it form everywhere. always backed up. etc.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 31, 2012 11:05 PM EST up reply actions
i’m uploading for free right now? i’d still have to put the CDs in and rip them.
‘always backed up’ until their servers get fucked with.
That's "Da-ooo". Like the drink.
i guarantee their servers are much more stable than your CDs or whatever cockamamie back-up plan you have.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 31, 2012 11:08 PM EST up reply actions
you:

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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 31, 2012 11:09 PM EST up reply actions
fail proof.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 31, 2012 11:17 PM EST up reply actions
(add me on twitter dumbass. i keep spamming you and you still haven’t added me)
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 31, 2012 11:18 PM EST up reply actions
they at least have small pictures of boobs
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At least you don’t have to upload GB upon GB of songs with iTunes Match.
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by MLS on Feb 1, 2012 5:13 PM EST up reply actions
fail
We’re sorry. Google Music is currently only available in the United States
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by theninjagreg on Jan 31, 2012 11:04 PM EST up reply actions
as someone currently living in the US:
haw haw.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 31, 2012 11:05 PM EST up reply actions
If we could play all 60 minutes like we played about, oh, 40 or 50 of tonight… oh baby.
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by stucky on Jan 31, 2012 11:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
oh
you’re RIPPING actual CDs to digital, not vise versa.
you’re so old. make sure to rip your tape cassettes as well.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 31, 2012 11:06 PM EST up reply actions
not a bunch. got rid of most of mine a few years ago. tired of moving them from place to place to place.
probably own fewer than 20.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 31, 2012 11:09 PM EST up reply actions
i just went through the process of taking all my CDs out of their cases and putting them into booklets. took me probably 30 or 40 hours. but now I have about 1100 CDs in 4 booklets in my closet, pretty sweet. i threw out about 20 garbage bags full of CD cases.
now i’m just making sure I have every CD in its entirety before I back up my collection again.
That's "Da-ooo". Like the drink.
coming across some stuff I haven’t listened to in years though…. Ned’s Atomic Dustbin, New Fast Automatic Daffodils…
That's "Da-ooo". Like the drink.
see, I’m not sure that’s worth it.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 31, 2012 11:16 PM EST up reply actions
Meh. It’s a few evenings of doing this while I’m sitting around watching the game and talking with you idiots. When I all of a sudden think 2 years from now “Man, I really want to hear ‘Grey Cells Green’”, I’m going to be happy I did this.
For the most part though about 90% of my collection was already on the computer. This is just clean up.
That's "Da-ooo". Like the drink.
Just put on some Husker Du and make the time fly.
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by not norm ullman on Feb 1, 2012 9:53 AM EST up reply actions
Google "album name + Mediafire"
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Best positive for tonight, accorinding to Sports Clubs Stats, nothing changed for us tonight, so there is always that
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Also, according to that Star article linked to in previous threads, the Leafs are already one point ahead of where they need to be!
What is life without hope?
by danishmarshmallow on Jan 31, 2012 11:07 PM EST up reply actions
I’M A DRAGON RAWRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
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by SkinnyFish on Jan 31, 2012 11:29 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
FYIAD
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This
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by theninjagreg on Jan 31, 2012 11:51 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Darwinism , brought to you in part by alcohol.
At least it's not Lebda.
by Nifty Mittens on Jan 31, 2012 11:38 PM EST up reply actions
FUS RO DAH!!!!
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by LeafFan1989 on Jan 31, 2012 11:50 PM EST up reply actions
It'd be nice if Craig Anderson played like this on Saturday...
Let in a goal from the red line
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Oh...and Phil Kessel says YAAAAAAYYYY!!!1
Wow...
I remember those…
I don’t think that puck was even going on net! It looks like he directed it in.
What is life without hope?
by danishmarshmallow on Jan 31, 2012 11:11 PM EST up reply actions
Im happy that the leafs are in 8th
Im depressed about the way they lost
Being a Leafs fan makes me bipolar.
by BlindSight on Jan 31, 2012 11:21 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Outplay other team, get jobbed?
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by Chemmy on Jan 31, 2012 11:22 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Half jobbed by refs, half Leaf collapse. Thats two games in a row theyve let in the tying goal with like less than 20 seconds left.
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by BlindSight on Jan 31, 2012 11:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Other than the called off goal, what was and about the refs?
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by theninjagreg on Jan 31, 2012 11:52 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
50% garbage 3rd.
25% fuck you refs.
25% seriously bad luck (how many gimme goals did we whiff tonight?)
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by FiftyMissionCap on Feb 1, 2012 12:54 AM EST up reply actions
Leafs “took it” to shootout tonight and tomorrow they have last change. 3 out of 4 points in 2 games against the Pens would be highly commendable.
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by SkinnyFish on Jan 31, 2012 11:29 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
exactly, maybe we even get lucky and see Johnson instead of Fluery tomorrow, doubt it, but you never know.
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by CameronSorley on Jan 31, 2012 11:30 PM EST up reply actions
Reimer is waaaay too nice for that
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by CameronSorley on Jan 31, 2012 11:31 PM EST up reply actions
I just hope that if they give Reimer the net he doesnt flounder.
Being a Leafs fan makes me bipolar.
I hope so too. The positives are that he’s now had much longer to recover fully from his “concussion like symptoms”, and hopefully he’s been able to work with Allaire in practice for a few weeks to solidify his game.
If Wilson starts Reimer, tomorrow is (knock on wood) winnable. Pittsburg will either have to start a tired Fleury, who really had to put in an acrobatic performance tonight, or Johnson, who’s boasting a spectacular .876 sv% in 9 GP.
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by Peter de Chatham on Jan 31, 2012 11:59 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
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by Bowling_Guy25 on Feb 1, 2012 12:43 AM EST up reply actions
Legitimate question:
How much better is this Leafs team than those early post-lockout teams that barely missed the playoffs? If at all?
This team obviously has more prospects and is actually improving, unlike those JFJ teams. But from a pure talent standpoint, what do you guys think?
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by FiftyMissionCap on Feb 1, 2012 12:59 AM EST up reply actions
The lack of franchise player like Sundin makes it a bit of a wash in my opinion. The Leafs directly post-lockout had outstanding offense from the back-end in players like Kaberle, McCabe, and Kubina, with mostly middling forwards and then Sundin. Of course, our goaltending was horror-awful and probably cost us one, if not two post-season appearances.
I would probably take this squad over any of the other ones, except maybe the 2005-2006 one.
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by sportsfan2 on Feb 1, 2012 12:28 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Those teams ranged from ‘damn solid’ to ‘Sundin dragging us kicking and screaming’.
The goaltending was absolutely fucking atrocious.
by samspade on Feb 1, 2012 12:35 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Using shots to approximate puck possession (corsi/fenwick). SF/(SF+SA) suggests the 2006/2007 are the best team from puck possession. The better winning record this year (P%) is luck (but you remember Raycroft).
SF/(SF+SA) P%
2005/06 48.05% 0.549
2006/07 53.52% 0.555
2011/12 48.65% 0.560
A problem with using shots to estimate puck possession is that it ignores a lot of score effects. The 2009-2010 team that finished 29th in the league had 52.2% of the shots in games they played while San Jose had only 50.2% and even allowed more shots than the Leafs.
Yes, Toskala was truly awful.
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What I mean to say, is that SJ was probably the far better team despite worse Shot % numbers. they also finished with 51 wins, 3rd in the league, and 113 points.
The Leafs in 2009-2010 had 74 points.
Ugh
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For a little more context on how unlucky the Leafs were that season, they were the only team to average more than 32.0 shots per game with less than 100 points. The only other 3 teams were Detroit, Washington, and Chicago, who on average had 111.7 points.
111.7 >>>> 74.
I hate Tyler Seguin
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That is one of the problems with advanced stats they start in 2007/8. There is no nice database with close, tied shots totals (and road/home splits). The best we can do is approximate or “watch hockey”.
So how good would JFJ teams been with a league average goalie – I think they would have made playoffs which is about were the current team is.
I think we can still do pretty well to estimate how good teams were, as long as we provide context. For example, although the 2005-2006 team was probably not very good possession-wise, they were completely dominant on the powerplay, and scored 102 goals there.
I definitely think that with a league average goaltender they could have made the playoffs and possibly even gone to the second round. I’m pretty sure it was Chemmy who did the calculation that they would have been a 102 point team with a league average goaltender. That’s nearly Cup-contender status.
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The shot comparison might give 20% description so the other 80% is up for debate. Even Fenwick gets you to 30 to 40% so context is important.
And the low shot ratio, is not surprising this year with the trouble the team has clearing their zone. They have tons of talent but are also good at getting hemmed into their own end, turning over the puck which sure helps the shots against.
Short answer: context.
Longer answer:
Those 9th place teams were on a downward trend, shells of what was once a solid playoff team.
This team, which hasn’t been relegated to 9th just yet, is slowly building its way from what has to be one of the most terrible Leafs teams I’ve seen in my lifetime.
The goaltending of those teams was absolutely atrocious; our starters were a broken down Ed Belfour and Andrew Raycroft. At least we can rest easy knowing Reimer and Gustavsson are generally capable of giving us .910 goaltending (at least moreso than those guys).
This team is also way speedier and younger. Remember Jason Allison? Eric Lindros? Hal Gill? Well, say hello to speedsters like Phil Kessel, Joffrey Lupul, Matt Lombardi, Matt Frattin. What was the average age of the Leafs in 2006, like 29? I think it’s closer to 26-27 now. Only two players over the age of 30 IIRC.
Way more offensive depth (that Sundin line effectively carried our scoring, as did the Sundin-Tucker-Wellwood PP line), and way better 5 v 5 play (see previous remark of PP).
I’d take this team in a heartbeat over those ones.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Feb 1, 2012 1:04 AM EST up reply actions
I’d take this team over most of the other ones long term every day of the week.
But in a series or a single game? I can just see a Poni-Sundin-Antropov line absolutely dominating any of our lines along the boards.
Kaberle and McCabe in their primes on the powerplay? Terrifying. Tucker causing ruckus? Pure agitation.
It’s a tough call.
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