The Trade Seal Has Been Broken
by SkinnyFish on Jan 4, 2012 7:01 AM EST
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It’s entirely possible the Leafs will decide that they can be good enough with their present roster as it is to not only make the playoffs but do some damage once there.Yet I can’t help but continue to believe something of substance will transpire between now and the trade deadline, something beyond the exchange of AHL players. I’m not in the business of forecasting specifics, so I have no idea "who" the Leafs might be after, but an impact forward, for lack of a better term, keeps springing to mind. (A true ‘shutdown’ defenseman, too, though we have loads of defenders already and Phaneuf or Schenn, in theory, could fill that role…) And to acquire a player who will score goals and play a tough, grinding style would require the Leafs to give up something of value in return.Who could that be?
My money's on Grabovski followed by Armstrong. How about you?
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Seattle Seattle, Seattle.
I’m with that puck daddy commenter on Portland.
Seattle seems like it’s too cool for sports anyway.
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I also wonder if Portland has the corporate base for sponsorships, suites, etc.
Great city though. Had an amazing trip there a decade ago and have always wanted to go back.
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It would likely be Seattle.
-Decent corporate base.
-Built-in geographic rivalry with Vancouver.
-Untouched NHL market (no teams between Vancouver and San Jose; presents an opportunity to draw fans not just in Seattle but Washington and Oregon states).
-No NBA team now = no other local sports team around between January and April.
-Unlike many US cities, which are an * insert sport here * city, Seattle doesn’t have a clearly preferred sport and will rally behind a winner. If the NHL team can build a winner (especially with the way the Mariners and Seahawks are doing now), fans will follow.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Jan 4, 2012 5:44 PM EST up reply actions
MLS big time. My buddy went down to a Portland game, and brought a Timbers sticker back with him. On the drive back from Portland to Victoria, he thought some of the Sounders fans in Seattle were nearly gonna kill him.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Jan 4, 2012 7:20 PM EST up reply actions
If Portland had a team, their logo would definitely have a bird on it.
by Shift on Jan 4, 2012 7:34 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions 1 recs
So last night those meatheads on SNO said Phaneuf should be embarrassed for letting Aulie fight for him and not retaliating after being punched in the face. What morons. they were up 6-3, why risk injury? Leafs need Phaneuf for the playoff run, not up in the press box. personally I never wanna see him fight.
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by leafer1984 on Jan 4, 2012 7:47 AM EST via Android app reply actions
I still don’t get why people think Phaneuf is a fighter? He hits, he scores, he’s tough, he hopefully defends well but he doesn’t fight.
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Apparently this is what Kypreos wants for Phaneuf
Warning -these video’s contain Kypreos bleeding…
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Changing my "Goat of The Year" player from Armstrong to Kulemin
So thats where his brain damage comes from, now we know.
by Tickle Me Aulie on Jan 4, 2012 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
If you look closley
you can see the intelligence leaving his body
At least it's not Lebda.
by Nifty Mittens on Jan 4, 2012 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
He had a fight in his first game for us. He was good at it. Ergo, FIGHT YOU BASTARD!
When I watched the replay, it didn’t appear to me as though Phaneuf was trying to disengage or anything. Aulie just sorta jumped in.
But whatever happened, I’m with Leafer on this one. No need for our best players to be throwing punches and risking injury.
by Kessel'sOversizedSuit on Jan 4, 2012 9:21 AM EST up reply actions
Was it the same play where Stamkos was wrestling with him?
If the two of them got into a fight it’s a pretty fair tradeoff. But I bet Tampa wants Stamkos to fight about as much as we want Phaneuf to fight.
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by T is for Truculence on Jan 4, 2012 9:25 AM EST up reply actions
It was pretty hilarious. Stamkos came charging from the other end of the ice as fast as he could to try and fight Phaneuf, and Phaneuf was having none of it.
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by MLS on Jan 4, 2012 2:41 PM EST up reply actions
phaneuf seems to wobble around like that alot for a guy who can skate pretty well
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by Matt_Roberts on Jan 4, 2012 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
Phaneuf used to fight a lot more when he first joined the Leafs. I’m willing to bet Wilson or Burke sat him down and said “We love the enthusiasm, but we can’t afford to lose you with a broken hand. Get your aggression out during the play, not after it.”
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Precisely
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Also Wilson said that one of his weaknesses in Calgary was that he’d get running around and caught out of position a lot, so they wanted to reign that in as well.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 4, 2012 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
When I saw Schenn drop them at 7-3 all I was thinking was “don’t break your wrist, don’t break your wrist”
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by T is for Truculence on Jan 4, 2012 8:58 AM EST up reply actions
Same, especially when he was landing every single punch in that fight
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by MLS on Jan 4, 2012 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
Plus, as Boyce said, it’s a better deal to keep Phaneuf out of the penalty box in exchange for someone like Boyce or Aulie.
Besides, Phaneuf has four inches and 20 or 30 pounds on Downie; I like his chances if he’d decided to take care of business himself.
All it takes is a punch to the helmet and bam broken hand
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by leafer1984 on Jan 4, 2012 9:11 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
He also scored the game-winner, and blocked a shot on the 5-on-3. Great night for him.
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by T is for Truculence on Jan 4, 2012 9:54 AM EST up reply actions
Phaneuf fights Downie – Downie gets his head caved in.
Aulie fights Downie – Downie gets his head caved in.
Why does it matter whose doing the head caving?
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because he is the captain, leader etc etc.
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Well they are right. Just look at all those other fighting captains: Alfredsson, Gionta, Lidstrom, Getzlaf, Sedin, Thornton, etc…..
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Exactly. Iginla still does at times, but fuck Calgary
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Actual fighting captains: Iginla, Brown, Callahan, Chara (rarely). That’s about it.
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Does DUstin Brown fight?
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Chara doesn’t need to fight. He has nothing to prove
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by T is for Truculence on Jan 4, 2012 9:54 AM EST up reply actions
Well that and he can toss anyone like a rag doll. Remember the McCabe-Chara fight? That was hilarious.
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That’s what I mean. Everybody remembers that fight. The only player tall enough to take him on is Hal Gill, and that ain’t happening.
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by T is for Truculence on Jan 4, 2012 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
It already did once
If you look up "Loyalty" in the dictionary you'll see a picture of a Leafs fan wearing a Todd Gill jeresy looking like he just got punched in the stomach
Whoa really? Didn’t think Gill had it in him
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by T is for Truculence on Jan 4, 2012 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
And all Flames fans collectively held their breath every time he did. Of course, this year they may want him to break a hand because it’ll get them closer to #1 pick.
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of course if they want a top pick or several they could just trade him….
by Goosemonster on Jan 4, 2012 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
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by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Jan 4, 2012 8:24 AM EST reply actions
Armstrong probably isnt tradeable with his injury issues, though had he been healthy and playing his game I’m sure we could have moved him to a few different teams. Off the top of my head, Chicago (imagine him and Bolland together) and Phoenix (if they were alowed to spend) would like a guy like that.
A Tor-Det game at the big house would be a very difficult to top Winter Classic. 100,000 people, likely fairly evenly divided between Wings fans and Leafs fans, would be so cool to have for an outdoor game
Best part is, Burke apparently said on Twitter yesterday that if the Leafs get a Winter Classic they’d agree to allow cameras behind the scenes: i.e. 24/7
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by T is for Truculence on Jan 4, 2012 9:01 AM EST up reply actions
I’d definitely watch that one, if only for the collection of awkward looks Kessel would keep giving the cameras.
More than that though, I want this Winter Classic.
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No beer a the big house
Big ten rule they don’t allow alcohol on the premise
But is that just for college games? I’m pretty sure there are some dual college/semi-pro stadiums in the big ten that have alcohol.
If not, that’s ridiculous. One of my parents works at an arena in the ACC that doesn’t serve alcohol for the college games, but does for concerts and other non-college events
by Chi-town leafs on Jan 4, 2012 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
What do the Leafs still need to be a contender?
-A true #1 center with size and 2-way ability would be nice.
-A true shut down defenseman (or two)
-Another PK specialist forward type (or two)
-Probably a new coach.
I hesitate to include a goaltender in the list but their goalies are still a work in progress. Reimer may be the guy, Gustavsson is certainly not.
As for trade bait, I wouldn’t hesitate one second to trade Schenn if we are getting a top center with size and 2-way ability in return.
Grabovski is a good player, but not an irreplaceable player either. I wouldn’t hesitate to include him in a package to upgrade at center. Failing that it all depends on his contract demands. If he is willing to sign a contract extension for a reasonable amount, say 3 years @ $3.5M per year, I say he is worth keeping. If his contract demands are in the $4.5-5M per year range, its time to let him go.
Liles is in much the same situation as Grabovski. A lot depends on his contract demands.
I am not sure what value Bozak would have but if another team was willing to offer good return for him I wouldn’t hesitate to trade him. He has some ability with the puck but is nothing special.
Truth is, there are very few players on the roster I wouldn’t hesitate to trade. Kessel, Lupul, some of the young players like Gardiner, Kadri, Colborne, Frattin are keepers for the time being. For now I’d probably have Gunnarsson and Reimer on the keeper list and I really like what Connolly has done. After that I wouldn’t hesitate to trade anyone in the right deal. That includes Phaneuf who I think is a good player, but doesn’t provide good value considering his salary. A defenseman with his salary should be more reliable in his own zone IMO. That said, Phaneuf isn’t getting traded. He’ll probably be a Leaf as long as Burke is GM.
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If Grabbo takes 3 @ 3.5 Brian Burke has some mystical powers. COnsidering how much Brooks Laich re upped for this summer, I dont see Grabbo getting less than 4.5
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Depending on what other moves we make
on the length of the contract, and what we are offered, 4.5-5 mil would be fine.
If we brought in a Unicorn, I’d actually want to keep Grabbo. Run Unicorn – Grabbo – Connoly, or move Connoly to the wing and put Colborne at 3rd centre. This assumes Bozak is moved for the Unicorn. Also, it’s a pretty big fucking if.
Grabbo’d be a great fit on the Blackhawks (Run Kane – Toews – Hossa / Sharp – Grabbo – Somebody, or something like that).
Connolly would net a decent return based on his reasonable contract terms and (so far) decent performance. However, it would likely be for a futures package like Kaberle or Beauchemin (we wouldn’t be able to land anything close to a Parise with a package involving Connolly for instance) so trading Connolly would hurt the team this year. And I don’t think Burke is looking to make those kinds of trades again this deadline
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by T is for Truculence on Jan 4, 2012 9:24 AM EST up reply actions
-I think having a bigger C than Grabbo and Connoly and Bozak would be a benefit. I’d say let Grabbo go if the guy coming back is skilled enough
-Komisarek has proven inconsistent at best and terrible at worst
-Mike Brown will help
-because.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 4, 2012 9:25 AM EST up reply actions
I’d honestly consider moving Grabovski if you could get back the shutdown defenceman the team needs, and then run Connolly-Colborne-Bozak as the top three centres.
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not when one or more of connolly/lombardi get injured.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 4, 2012 9:35 AM EST up reply actions
yeah, i think the biggest hole on this team is shut down D, offence isn’t our biggest worry
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by pho king awesome on Jan 4, 2012 10:03 AM EST up reply actions
Exactly. 6th in the league in goals per game. I’d say the burning need for a #1 C has all but disappeared.
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yeah, we have a decent tandum of 1a 1b centres right now
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by pho king awesome on Jan 4, 2012 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
Long term, you don’t want to trade for a unicorn.
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Does his unicorn have a name yet?
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by Nifty Mittens on Jan 4, 2012 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
It’s not a burning need, at least not one that needs to be addressed before the off-season. But let’s not fool ourselves, we’re not contenders, and we do need a #1C, among other things, to become one.
by Goosemonster on Jan 4, 2012 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t understand this sentiment. If we have middle of the pack GA/G, we’re a much better team. Actually, in terms of G/G and GA/G, we’d look a lot like Chicago. With Kadri and Colborne potentially turning into offensive threats, I don’t see why we need to fixate on another center.
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because waiting on Colborne to be a number one is putting all our eggs in one basket.
by Goosemonster on Jan 4, 2012 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
But making a huge deal for a unicorn #1C isn’t?
All I’m saying is that the difference between us and solid playoff teams, right now, isn’t offense. If we had much better defense and goaltending, we’d be a contender. I’m just not sure where this idea comes from that you need an elite first line centerman (since, despite talk of #1C, I’m sure we’re really talking about a PPG C, which are remarkably different things) to be a contender.
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Contender teams:
LA – Kopitar
SJ – Thornton
DET – Datsyuk
VAN – Sedin
PHI – Giroux
CHI – Toews
PIT – Sid
WSH – Backstrom
Outliers:
BOS – Thomas
NYR – Lundqvist
FLA – wtf #1
MIN – wtf #2
I think it’s pretty clear that you need a big horse on your first line. For us it may not be a C, it may be Phil Kessel. But I think we’d all feel a lot better about things if we could procure a proven guy to ride shotgun with him for the next X number of years.
Counter-point
The Leafs have 2 forwards in the top 5 of scoring. They happen to be wingers.
Of course we’d feel better if we had a proven elite center playing with Phil. Do we need such a player to be a contender? Nope. We don’t need to be built the same way as other successful teams.
I don’t care if it’s the LW, RW or C scoring our goals on the top line. I do care about how many goals the Leafs score and how many they allow. Right now, GA is the big problem for the Leafs. That’s what’s keeping us out of serious playoff contention.
Claiming that Boston and NYR are outliers seems a bit misleading. They are contenders for a very good reason. To me, they show that a team can also succeed with a great goalie and decent secondary scoring/good defense. Or, in other words, that not all successful teams have to look the same.
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Lupul is very good, but I think its fair to say he’s overperforming this year.
by Goosemonster on Jan 4, 2012 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
Most teams (read: at least 25) would love to have a player in the top 5. Even if we only had Kessel, that’s pretty significant. The whole point was just to say that offensive production isn’t what separates us from the better teams.
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We haven’t had a player in the top five in scoring since Sundin, and even then he only did it a handful of times. I think there was that one year he came in third behind Naslund and Bertuzzi
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by T is for Truculence on Jan 4, 2012 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
With something like 80 points too, the NHL decided to stop scoring that year
Sometimes it seems this cycle never ends, we slide from top to bottom then we turn and climb again.
by Chris Stoikoff on Jan 4, 2012 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
They’re outliers in the sense that the reason they are contenders is different from the majority of other contenders in the league.
I agree with you that we need to lock it down defensively more than up front, that’s why I’m more hoping for Suter than Parise this summer. But with our 2nd line having a less than stellar year so far, it’s clear that this team would be screwed if we lost Kessel or Lupul for an extended period of time. We’re lucky neither of them went down when we had the big rash of injuries recently. Regardless of how many pucks we’re putting in the net right now, there’s still work to be done there in terms of depth. Which is why I want to see us (eventually) add another bona fide scoring threat.
I’m not against adding a scoring threat. Obviously a deeper forward corps is a good thing. I just take issue with the idea that the Leafs NEED an elite center to be contenders, which is what I thought your comment was about, not forward depth.
The point is, we have the ‘big horse’ on the first line that you say we need. He just happens to be a 24 year old winger.
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to mention who they might be. Put up a list of possibles and then we have a conversation. Saying we “need” without available options is pointless.
Marian Gaborik is shooting the lights out right now. Not sure NYR has bad offense.
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Not by the traditional definition around here. His highest point total in the last 3 years is 57.
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But they also have Kreci who can usually put up 60-70 pts.. don’t forget that prick Sequin who was 32 in 34.
Massive positive goal differential yet not a single player in the top 30 in scoring. This is why I consider them an outlier.
Thomas and Rask are both at like .940.
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Incredible goaltending. Their defense gives up a lot of shots, they don’t score much, and it doesn’t matter because their goaltending is ridiculous.
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Do we know if they are shots from the outside, or good scoring chances?
There has to be more to Boston being a great team then just goaltending. They have some good players on that roster and they play with a nice chip on their shoulder. Goaltending definately puts them over the top for sure, but that team still looks really good with James Reimer in net
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Awesomely enough, both Boston and Toronto give up 31.2 shots per game. If we swapped goaltending, they would have 3.23 GA/G instead of 1.91. Their goal differential drops from +55 to +10. That’s a very different team.
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68 goals against. All season.
That’s 11 less GA than the 2nd best team (NYR), and 18 less than 3rd (STL).
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by FiftyMissionCap on Jan 4, 2012 5:55 PM EST up reply actions
He put up 57 points last year while
He didn’t play with Lucic and Horton.
He had 42.7% Ozone starts.
By any measure of QComp, he played the toughest or second toughest minutes for Bruins forwards.
Despite this, he had the highest CORSI Rel and CORSI On of any Bruins forward.
If he is not a Unicorn, then we need a new definition.
Did you intentionally not go with Richards for NYR to avoid a shitstorm? Because if NYR gets Lundqvist, Richards and Gaborik all to play their top game, they will be difficult competition in the playoffs this year.
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I omitted Richards because technically he’s not their 1C, but feel free to include him in the list if you like. I think Lundqvist is a massively more important player for them than Richards though.
Richards is absolutely their 1C. Callahan may be their captain, but Richards is a better player.
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Florida is playing over their head thanks to the Fleischmann-Weiss-Versteeg line. I see them crashing down to bubble territory and losing the SE to the Caps.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Jan 4, 2012 5:52 PM EST up reply actions
those three’s PDO’s are off the charts, no one else on that team scores. Florida probably doesn’t make the playoffs
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by pho king awesome on Jan 4, 2012 8:31 PM EST up reply actions
They might pull a 2009-10 Avs and squeak in, but I don’t see them doing damage.
This is why I’m not super worried about the Leafs: a lot of the bubble teams have their achilles heel (e.g. NJ is 8-1 in the SO, Winnipeg can only win at home, Florida’s top line has an insane PDO). Not that we’re without ours (our PK blows, and we’re 3rd last in GA), but the playoffs will come down to who can hide their disability the most.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Jan 5, 2012 2:42 AM EST up reply actions
Connolly isn’t getting traded – Burke signed him this past summer, he’s been performing as expected and he has a limited NTC – Burke gave him one for a reason.
the guy is perfect on this team as well. he can seamlessly slide between the 1st and 3rd lines, and somehow always manage to generate offense no matter who he’s playing with. we would need that scoring depth should we not manage to fuck up for the rest of the season and actually manage to make the playoffs.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 4, 2012 9:38 AM EST up reply actions
If Burke trades Connolly it won’t improve the team this season. But he could bring back a decent package of prospects/picks
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by T is for Truculence on Jan 4, 2012 9:56 AM EST up reply actions
Burke’s not trading Connolly. He’s trading Grabbo.
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I’d rather they trade Grabbo. Not necessarily for the salary (that’s part of it) but for his playing style. He’s tough as nails and fearless, but we know he’s gotten concussed at least once already and based on his size I just worry about durability issues. We should trade him while his stock is still high and before he gets really hurt
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by T is for Truculence on Jan 4, 2012 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
After this year we only have one more year of commitment to Connolly. If we re-sign Grabbo, he will be looking for long-term and will likely get it on the open market.
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by T is for Truculence on Jan 4, 2012 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
If I were Burke, I would be looking to trade Bozak before Grabovski, but I suspect that you’re right and Grabbo is the one who gets moved.
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unlikely. Connolly still looks too fragile. unlikely anyone would give up much for him.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 4, 2012 9:57 AM EST up reply actions
More likely: if he stays healthy this year, Burke will move him at next year’s deadline
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by T is for Truculence on Jan 4, 2012 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
Connolly will do for this year, but I’d love to see Joe Colborne be that guy soon. He’s got the size to make it happen.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Jan 4, 2012 5:50 PM EST up reply actions
Gustavsson is certainly not.
You mean our only goalie capable of winning games?
But seriously, I think he’s going to do well as a back up, if not in Toronto, then somewhere else.
by Kessel'sOversizedSuit on Jan 4, 2012 9:24 AM EST up reply actions
I am not satisfied with a .896 sv% including one of the worst 5v5 save percentages in the league and you should not be either.
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by HockeyAnalysis on Jan 4, 2012 9:44 AM EST up reply actions
-A true #1 center with size and 2-way ability would be nice.
-A true shut down defenseman (or two)
-Another PK specialist forward type (or two)
-Probably a new coach.
Offensively, the leafs are a contender (ranker 5th Goals For), getting a true #1 center with size and 2 way ability would cost them so much in terms of drafts and players that it would be counter productive.
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Oh hey look, Connolly is 30th for centers in terms of PPG and Bozak is 34th. Nope, no true 1st line centers on this team.
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Connolly has 2-way ability but no size. Bozak has neither. And there are probably 29 upgrades on either of them.
They’re doing fine by my eyes, but that doesn’t mean there aren’t better alternatives.
Again, I’d prefer to see an upgrade on Grabbo, especially with his pending UFA.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 4, 2012 9:34 AM EST up reply actions
No size you say? All of 6’1"? Someone should take them out back and shoot them then. While they’re at it, better due to the same to other midgets like Datsyuk, Stamkos, Backstrom, RNH, Tavares, Weiss, Ribiero, etc…… who are all 6’1" or shorter and most definitely not big enough to be #1 centers on a team.
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I’m not saying that he’s not capable of being a #1C on this team because of his lack of size. i’m saying it would be a benefit to have someone bigger (or at least, someone who plays bigger) than Connolly or Bozak or Grabbo.
Burke said as much two days ago. He said the Leafs need bigger Fs. You gonna take issue with Burke?
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 4, 2012 9:42 AM EST up reply actions
Are you going to continue to just differ to authority on issues instead of making your own argument? And yes, I’ll take issue with Burke saying this team needs size.
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Burke’s next trade will be for a Goalie or a defenceman (not counting any AHL deals)
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Reimer’s SV% says he’s a number one, when you exclude the terrible PK. I think Burke is going to run Reimer/Gus, since a goalie could cost an arm and a leg – and only for a half decent one. We arent trading the farm for a backup.
If we could get him for peanuts I’d almost say we could take a chance on Rolli being able to go on one last zombie playoff run.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 4, 2012 10:00 AM EST up reply actions
Roloson’s washed up. I wouldn’t go anywhere near him.
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i’ve thought that about him so many times in his career, and yet…
i don’t actually think it’s a good idea.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 4, 2012 10:10 AM EST up reply actions
i didn’t just defer to authority. but since you didn’t respond to my argument and have chosen to attack me personally i’m assuming you have nothing else to say on the matter.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 4, 2012 9:48 AM EST up reply actions
I have to agree that the Leafs could really use some size in their top six. Not sure why most people seem to fixate on that size coming from the center position though…
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personally, I think we’re a bit stronger on the wings than at C. or at least prior to this season we were. Bozak and Connolly are doing well, and Kulemin and MacA have started to slide a bit (espeically Kulie). but if Kadri stays on wing we’ve got a lot of skill there.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 4, 2012 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
There are 40 centers not on the Leafs that are better PPG than Grabbo. You tell me which one is attainable.
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I’m not in the business of speculating on trades. I’m merely stating the obvious.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 4, 2012 9:43 AM EST up reply actions
that it would be a benefit to have a BIG centerman, scratch that, forward, added to the Leafs top 6.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 4, 2012 9:49 AM EST up reply actions
The cost is too prohibitive to go get somebody like that in a trade.
The most likely guy to become that player is Colborne.
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fair enough. but then you’ve got to open up a space for him. in either case, trading away someone like Grabbo might solve more than one problem at once (allow Colborne to step in, get an upgrade on D/G)
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 4, 2012 9:51 AM EST up reply actions
I see two optimal scenarios.
Option A is to try and move Grabovski and either get back the shutdown D the team needs, or a pick and a prospect.
Option B is to re-sign Grabovski and try to move Bozak in some sort of package to address the need for a skilled top six forward.
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I like our top 6 right now. Who do we replace? Kulemin maybe in the short term, but no way we give up on him yet (or maybe we do….)
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 4, 2012 9:58 AM EST up reply actions
If you can acquire someone that knocks Kulemin down to the 3rd line so be it.
Having a guy who scored 30 goals last year on your 3rd line and has shown to be a pretty strong two-way player and a great puck possession guy is a pretty great luxury.
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The Leafs need more size in the top 6, it isn’t limited to centre
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right. isn’t this what I was saying?
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 4, 2012 9:52 AM EST up reply actions
YOu were specifically saying centreman before.
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i was responding to Skinny’s response to HockeyAnalysis/Gebx about C’s. He was twisting the argument to be about #1 Cs instead of #1Cs with size.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 4, 2012 9:56 AM EST up reply actions
Getzlaf supposedly is likely to become available once the Ducks completely give up on this season. Jeff Carter wasn’t on the list of “untradeable” players that Howson mentioned the other day, so it sounds like he’s moveable. I’m completely in favour of acquiring either of those guys. Both can score plenty of points and have consistently good puck possession metrics.
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If Howson trades Carter for anything less than the whole damn moon he’s a fucking idiot.
They have a top centre who probably has 5-6 good years left. They are very likely going to get a shot at Yakupov or Grigorenko this year.
If they are going to trade somebody, it should be Nash. Get a goalie and some defense and the Jackets will be a good team.
Yup trade the team captain in his prime. SOlid plan
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It is a solid plan. By the time the jackets are good enough to make the playoffs Rick Nash will be over 30. Might as well get a massive return for him and kickstart things.
CBJ has been in the bottom 5 of attendance for the past 5 years except the year they were 22nd. THey cant get people to come now, if they were to trade probably the only recognizable player on the team, the attendance will plummet further. They can’t trade Rick Nash
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Their attendance is abysmal whether they trade Nash or not. Question is, what gets them out of the basement (and gets butts in seats) faster? Obviously fans right now aren’t enticed by watching them play even if they do have Nash. Might as well trade him and get a bunch of high upside exciting players and then add another lottery pick (Yakupov) who they can market as the next Ovechkin or something.
Unfortunately we’re not a good match with them: they need goaltending and defence, and we do too
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by T is for Truculence on Jan 4, 2012 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
Columbus should be talking to the Kings (remember, no more conferences next year).
Nash would be a good fit there, and the asking price should include at least one of Loktionov/Bernier (or both)
They’ve got centres up the wazoo, though. Of course Nash may be better than most of them, but is it really worth it to put Richards on the 3rd line?
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 4, 2012 3:29 PM EST up reply actions
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If they trade Nash Columbus will fold.
Full stop.
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They shouldn’t be anyways. They’ve been among the worst-run organizations since their inception.
I hope for the fans that have come out and watched them for fifteen years that they succeed but they should stop putting idiots in charge of the team first.
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Scott Howson’s biggest mistake was believing in Mason. With a better goalie, they aren’t nearly as bad
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First mistake was believing in Mason, second mistake was going with an unproven backup this option. Sucks that Dekanich has been injured, but they should’ve been on the phone with Vokoun at 12:01 on UFA Day.
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NO chance in hell VOkoun signs in Columbus for less than $6M.
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He’s making 1.5 in Washington right now. The alternative was apparently just Detroit. Sure, Vokoun probably wanted to be on a contender, but he wanted a clear #1 berth first, and Columbus could’ve offered that. They could’ve offered that plus 3M – hell add another year, if he wants – and I have to think he starts considering it.
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Would you take 3M to play in COlumbus compared to 1.5 in Washington after making a tonne in FLorida?
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If I’m promised a number one slot, rather than being told to compete with Neuvirth? Yes. Double the contract value? Even better. Add on a second year? Sign me up.
Apparently teams just weren’t beating down his door. Howson was too busy signing Dekanich.
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See at his age, I think the shot at a cup is more compelling
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Maybe he only considered offers from cup competitors, and that’s why it was just Detroit and Washington. Who knows.
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The way I heard the story was that Vokoun had his agent go to the Wings and the Capitals with the $1.5 million offer. I think Vokoun actually went where he wanted to go, not where he’d get the most money.
Wasn’t Florida believed to have offered him like $3.5 million a year?
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So going with a goalie with one good season and a shaky backup? Why does that sound familiar?
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by T is for Truculence on Jan 4, 2012 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
They aren’t particularly well-constructed.
For a team that’s been so awful they don’t have a particularly strong group of prospects.
They also have a TON of money tied up in cap-unfriendly contracts to guys like Umberger, Vermette, Brassard, Methot and Tyutin.
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Yup. I agree
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It’s interesting, though, that their shots for/against isn’t awful. 8th in shots for per game (31.7), 9th in SA/G (29.3).
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Their defense isn’t great, but Tyutin and Wiz aren’t bad. They’re a bubble team if not for the .893 team goaltending. That’s worse than 07-08, when the Leafs ran Toskala, Raycroft, and Clemmensen (.896) (though not worse than 08-09, when the Leafs ran Toskala, Gerber, CuJo, and Pogge (.887)).
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That lines up pretty well with what I’ve been saying above. This is a reasonably decent team that is being torpedoed by terrible goaltending (and poor defence).
Apparently, though, Scott Howson is adamant that he will not trade Rick Nash. If Jeff Carter can be had, then the Leafs need to try and get him.
Carter would be a perfect fit for the Leafs. Run Lupul-Connolly-Kessel as a sheltered scoring line a la the Sedins, then run MacA-Carter-Kulie as a shutdown line with some good offensive upside.
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That team really is so poorly run. When you go back and look at when Nashville came into the league Poile had a clear plan for what the franchise would be and has executed it. Columbus has pretty much ruined everything it touches.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 4, 2012 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
Nashville has to be one of the best run, if not the best run, small market team. They’ve been developing prospects like it ain’t no thang.
This is by design. They knew they would be small market, and would need a strategy to build a successful team regardless. What was Columbus’ strategy?
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 4, 2012 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
I'm just guessing... but
I DRAFTED RICK NASH
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by T is for Truculence on Jan 4, 2012 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
How in the hell was Benoit Pouliot drafted 5th overall?
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 4, 2012 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
I thought it was 4th
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You are correct. JESUS.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 4, 2012 4:07 PM EST up reply actions
Its buddy Christ.
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so that’s who moved in to 668?
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by fair_n_hite_451 on Jan 4, 2012 6:28 PM EST up reply actions
4th by Minnesota
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What a terrible terrible choice.
4 of the top 10 picks made that year are no longer with the team that drafted them.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 4, 2012 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
Jack Johnson refused to report IIRC
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I thought they just traded him.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 4, 2012 4:10 PM EST up reply actions
You're right this time
. After his freshman season, however, with the Hurricanes needing a defenseman and Johnson having committed to another collegiate season (the Hurricanes had tried to sign him after his freshman season ended),1 Canes’ GM Jim Rutherford traded Johnson’s rights on September 29, 2006, along with Oleg Tverdovsky, to the Los Angeles Kings in exchange for Tim Gleason and Éric BĂ©langer.[citation needed]
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Either way fuck Jack Johnson
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Look for names they recognized after 15th place
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 4, 2012 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
out of curiousity, can we draw a line between what “we” consider to be small and big market teams? Kinda curious to see as to where the line would be drawn.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 4, 2012 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
Canada excluding WPG, the NBC markets, and Buffalo because of Peguladollars.
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Ottawa is not really a big market team
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Nor is Edmonton. I’d say Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver are the only big Canadian markets (at least in an American context).
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by FiftyMissionCap on Jan 4, 2012 6:25 PM EST up reply actions
Big markets – TOR, MON, VAN, NYR, PHI, CHI, DET, BOS, WSH, PIT and LA if they ever make a real push.
Small markets – everyone else
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I think ‘big markets’ mean you have solid fan support even when your team is not top 4 in the league. I’m not sure WAS, PIT, LA, CHI qualify on that basis.
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EDM is 6th in the league in gate revenue, aren’t they? I’d consider them a big market. Maybe not in terms of population, but in terms of revenue.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Jan 4, 2012 6:17 PM EST up reply actions
his plan of winning one playoff series every 13 seasons is being perfectly executed, yes.
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Not their fault they seem to have to play the eventual Cup champs every year.
Generally speaking the difference between the two franchises is pretty clear.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 4, 2012 3:56 PM EST up reply actions
only 60% of the time!
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They came pretty close to beating Chicago that one time. If Hossa had been ejected from the game they may have.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 4, 2012 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
And Erat didn’t make that horrific giveaway…
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Yeah that was soul crushing stuff.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 4, 2012 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
And considering Nashville was about the only team that came close to beating Chicago that spring….
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by FiftyMissionCap on Jan 4, 2012 6:27 PM EST up reply actions
My point is that an upgrade to a #1 center would cost way more than what it would be worth.
What would we give up for a #1 center with size and 2 way ability? How many draft picks, how many prospects?
The leafs problem is not playing 5v5 or scoring goals. The leafs problem is the PK and letting too many goals… so unless this mystery #1 center plays the PK and is better defensively than Bozak, trading for him would be a waste.
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for Getzslaf? I’m pretty sure we’d all trade just about anyone minus the core guys (Phaneuf, Kessel, etc.)
If we brought in Getzlaf
Bozak would be one of the pieces going the other way. Also, I’d try to keep hold of Grabbo in that case.
Fun fact – Bozak’s stats (G,A,P, +/-) are better than Getzlaf in each category..
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by HockeyAnalysis on Jan 4, 2012 10:06 AM EST up reply actions
WHy are you arbitrarily taking away 13 games?
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How can it be a narrative when he is using stats?
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How can it be a narrative when he isusingmanipulating stats?
by Goosemonster on Jan 4, 2012 10:16 AM EST up reply actions
Ok, use the full 39 game sample. Still doesn’t make the Leafs look like contenders. Point is, there is a lot of room for improvement.
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by HockeyAnalysis on Jan 4, 2012 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
No kidding. We all knew this.
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Unless he means contenders for my heart, in which case they’ve already won.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 4, 2012 10:42 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You mean the Leafs are the bubble team that we all expected they’d be this season?
I, for one, am shocked.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Jan 4, 2012 6:28 PM EST up reply actions
Let’s be honest. We all knew the Leafs would be a playoff bubble team and if they had any hope of making the playoffs they would need to do two things. Go on one or two really good stretches of play. Avoid prolonged losing streaks, we’re talking 8 games straight without a point. They have managed to do that so far. January is a very good month schedule wise, if they can go on another little run this month it’ll go a long way.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 4, 2012 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
it would help if we won games we should be winning (against Jets, Carolina, etc.)
by Goosemonster on Jan 4, 2012 10:29 AM EST up reply actions
Of course. But if you take the long-view, things are right where most people thought/hoped they’d be.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 4, 2012 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
I can entirely understand people thinking the Leafs would be around 10th spot right now… but did anyone hope for that?
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by CanadianMaple09 on Jan 4, 2012 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
I just hoped they wouldn’t be in a draft lottery position.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 4, 2012 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
Sitting in 10th? No.
2 points out of a tie for 6th? Yeah, probably everyone hoped for that standing at this point of the season.
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by fair_n_hite_451 on Jan 4, 2012 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
Exactly, the standings are so tight right now. Last year at this time the team was pretty far out of the playoff race. Right now we’re in the thick of it even with the clustercuss of a month that was December.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 4, 2012 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
and we haven’t totally screwed up a whole bunch of games in a row (6-8), which is good news.
by Goosemonster on Jan 4, 2012 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
So far the Leafs have not lost more than 3 games in a row total. They also have not had more than 2 regulation losses in a row.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Jan 4, 2012 6:33 PM EST up reply actions
yep
I’m concerned with the goaltending and PK of late, but all in all, this team is right about wher i was thinking they would be.
Best case scenario, i thought the leafs could be 2nd in a pretty weak Northeast behind Boston, and 4th in the conference. That’s if EVERYTHING went right (no injuries, .915 or better goaltending, no regression from MGK line)
If we snag 8th and then get blown out, i’m happy with that this year. Our core players are still improving — few teams can claim that.
But missing the playoff is not acceptable this year.
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by HockeyAnalysis on Jan 4, 2012 9:56 AM EST up reply actions
Getzlaf also has put up some very impressive Corsi & Comp scores the past few years.
Admittedly, they are somewhat pedestrian this year. But they are still better than Bozak’s.
Getzlaf is an extremely good player whose recent production has been hampered by injury problems. He’s tied with Datsyuk for 5th most points by a centre in the last three years. He’s also very good from a Corsi perspective. I would be willing to trade very good assets to land him.
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Points per game, rather. By straight points he’s 8th.
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I’m with you. Love Getzlaf. Besides we need a new balding centre
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lets trade bozak, lombardi and orr for getzlaf
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Lets go back to hfboards
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by power-forward on Jan 4, 2012 2:34 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
My point is, without a dominant 2-way #1 center you (generally) can’t be a cup contender so acquiring one should be at almost all costs.
As for being better defensively than Bozak, that really isn’t very hard to do. He is not a very good defensive player.
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by HockeyAnalysis on Jan 4, 2012 9:51 AM EST up reply actions
He has definitely improved his play in his own zone this season.
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He has the 3rd worst 5v5 on-ice GA20 (goals against per 20 minutes) on the team this year (trailing Lombardi and Lupul) and the worst FA20 (fenwick against per 20 minutes) on the team. Pretty sure he isn’t greatly improved defensively.
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by HockeyAnalysis on Jan 4, 2012 10:01 AM EST up reply actions
Semantically, disproving the claim that he’s “improved greatly” means you need to compare his numbers this season to his previously posted numbers and positioning relative to the rest of the team, not just what he has done this season.
But that’s merely semantics …
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by fair_n_hite_451 on Jan 4, 2012 10:14 AM EST up reply actions
yeah he was among league worst in minus last year for what its worth.
by Goosemonster on Jan 4, 2012 10:17 AM EST up reply actions
plus/minus generally doesn’t mean much, but when you end up with something like a -28 it can’t all just be bad luck
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by T is for Truculence on Jan 4, 2012 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
Players with a -28 have usually been Lebda’d.. whatever that means..
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by CanadianMaple09 on Jan 4, 2012 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
It takes a special kind of talent (or a special kind of bad luck) to end up a -3 when your team scores 9 goals
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by T is for Truculence on Jan 4, 2012 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
you’d think it might be bad luck, but watching him play pretty much any game would tell you otherwise.
by Goosemonster on Jan 4, 2012 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
Actually, it takes a special sort of hockey sense to know when to speed to the bench for a line change, recgnizing that your team is about to score…
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by fair_n_hite_451 on Jan 4, 2012 10:31 AM EST up reply actions
Fair enough. Maybe he has improved from really terrible to just awful. Either way, we can’t be trumpeting his defensive ability as a reason for keeping him.
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by HockeyAnalysis on Jan 4, 2012 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
The question is not whether they are good, but whether they are good enough to make this team a contender for the cup (which is the ultimate goal). How many true cup contenders don’t have a more dominant 2-way center than the guys we have?
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by HockeyAnalysis on Jan 4, 2012 9:48 AM EST up reply actions
If we’re talking about improving the team this year, then the Leafs need a shudown D or an upgrade in goal. If you’re talking about long-term, then sure we’d be better off with a 6’6" centre with pillow-soft hands who can hit like Wendel and skate like Kessel. Any team would.
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by T is for Truculence on Jan 4, 2012 10:29 AM EST up reply actions
Every team needs a player like that, but they aren’t usually available.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 4, 2012 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
Exactly.
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by T is for Truculence on Jan 4, 2012 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
Connolly is also 30, I think it’s safe to say Bozak isn’t driving the offense on his line, and the team’s only AHL center prospect with top-6 upside right now is Joe Colborne. If we could add a center, I’d be up for it.
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My take: Healthy, I’m pretty content with a lot of the forwards the Leafs have and it is a matter of adjusting when the speed game doesn’t work. Another big forward would be nice, but if Kulemin finds his game, I think that need disappears. Flipping Grabbo might not bring the player everyone wants.
I am far less convinced about the defense and feel the shut down D should be the top of the list. If they add a F before a D, it better be a blockbuster. The Leafs don’t need more 2nd or lower liners.
And I still am only upset with Wilson if they don’t make the playoffs.
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Getzslaf is ranked 37th PPG.. Both Bozak and Connolly have better PPG.
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what you’re saying is Grabbo for Getzlaf?
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I think what he is saying is Anaheim would be fools not to trade Getzlaf for the younger, cheaper and clearly better Bozak.
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by HockeyAnalysis on Jan 4, 2012 10:44 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Talk about taking everything out of context
1) reply fail
2) A trade involving Getzlaf would involve giving them draft picks and/or prospects.. not just Bozak
3) in the end, having Getzlaf on the team will not solve the Leafs problem of allowing too many goals
It would improve the team offensively, but not defensively.
The leafs are ranked 5th in Goals FOR, ranked 29th for Goals AGAINST… Fix the defensive/goalie problem… and the leafs are a contender.
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Getzlaf’s Corsi is typically quite good though (meaning he drives play). Guys that keep play in the offensive zone rather than the defensive one are responsible for defensive improvements, it just isn’t as apparent on the surface.
http://bluechipprospects.blogspot.com
Corsi is typically quite good though (meaning he drives play).
I really dont see how that is.
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If his shot +/- is good, then that means, in general more shots for and fewer against. Maybe I’m not understanding your question…?
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I think he means that a good corsi doesn’t necessarily mean he is driving play. that’s just semantics though, a good corsi is a good corsi
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by pho king awesome on Jan 4, 2012 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
I dont see the correlation. I mean if you mentioned his zone starts vs zone finish or corsi rel QoC ok, but drawing the conclusion from basic corsi that he drives play?
I dont see it
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My money’s on Grabovski followed by Armstrong. How about you?
MacArthur first, followed by Grabbo. Wasn’t Mac playing on the 4th line last night?
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With Boyce out people were double shifting, no?
Also, I think Grabbo goes first.
What are the odds Liles signs an extension?
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 4, 2012 9:59 AM EST up reply actions
I think the emergence of Gardiner means we can live without Liles.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 4, 2012 10:00 AM EST up reply actions
Different styles. I also doubt they trade one of our top 4 D-men who plays a solid two-way game and is an RFA at the end of the season.
by Goosemonster on Jan 4, 2012 10:04 AM EST up reply actions
I have a real hard time picturing them trading Gunnarsson right now.
He’s the de facto #2 and would be a solid #3 on any team right about now.
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I do to. I was just trying to give a reason why they’d bring back Liles.
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In fact, considering the rumored price of defensemen right now, they might move Liles at the deadline.
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he also QBs our PP quite well. You got to have some kind of a veteran presence with skill in the playoffs.
by Goosemonster on Jan 4, 2012 10:13 AM EST up reply actions
Liles with all of 36 careers playoff games in 9 seasons
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To be perfectly clear, any playoffs this season are a bonus.
I don’t really want the Leafs making moves this deadline with the implication that they only help in the short-term.
If giving up Liles now means that Gunnarsson and Gardiner have to run the PP in the playoffs, so be it. They get in some playoff reps that help 2 years from now when this team’s window is likely here.
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Don’t forget Franson … he’s mostly known for the big shot a la Captain Caveman, but he can make a pass.
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by fair_n_hite_451 on Jan 4, 2012 10:18 AM EST up reply actions
Still a NTC. I think he has a list or something
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3rd.
I have said this many times this year, but if MacA was traded I wouldn’t be upset by it
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Mac? I doubt it unless it’s part of a big package to get a unicorn. We aren’t going to be dealing key players for draft picks this year – we’re trying to make the playoffs, not miss them.
by Goosemonster on Jan 4, 2012 10:03 AM EST up reply actions
I like Mac, but I don’t think he’s a key player. I also don’t think we would get a big enough return for him. (Maybe part of a bigger package?)
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Right, the Leafs don’t need 1 for 1 deals. They need to package a few guys together and get the better player.
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I hate to admit this, but Skinny was right. Leafs should have traded MacA at the deadline last year
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his value was insanely high. they really should have.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 4, 2012 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
hindsight etc., plus we were hoping for more MaGicK this year that didn’t really happen for various reasons
if MGK was as good as last year we would be tearing it up.
by Goosemonster on Jan 4, 2012 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
Winning
It’s funny, everyone likes to point to the bubble team prediction, but really, were the reasons for predicting that related to what has actually transpired or is it just coincidence?
Maybe the lack of a shutdown D or bonafide #1C…?
Instead it’s been terrible PK, poor defence in general and at times shaky goaltending that has left us where we are right now
Well, you know, having your number one goalie injured for a month doesnt help.
by Goosemonster on Jan 4, 2012 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
having your number one goalie suck for a month doesn’t help.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 4, 2012 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
I wouldn’t say Reimer has sucked. Hasn’t been great, especially on the PK, but that’s also on the team. At 5v5 he’s been good to excellent.
yeah, that’s true. he did have a really bad game or two in Dec, but his EV SV% was really good.
he still hasn’t been as good as we’ve needed him to be at times.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 4, 2012 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
At evens Reimer has been fine. He’s historically bad on the PK right now and I think we need to assume that a big reason for that is variance.
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Could you imagine if WIlson stared using Gustavsson situationally on the PK? That would kind of be hilarious.
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If I Wilson, I have to say I’d be tempted by the thought.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Jan 4, 2012 6:37 PM EST up reply actions
I hate to toot my own horn
But my prognosis in the summer was:
Really like the forwards
Defense needs more… well, defense
Fingers crossed for the goaltending
We are a bubble team
if you’re thinking about a playoff run, yes I’d say so. Perhaps key wasn’t the right word, but like I said we aren’t moving him for picks or prospects. My guess is Burke wants to tweak the team this year and make those other moves in the off-season when he has evaluated this group to a better extent, ideally in the playoffs.
by Goosemonster on Jan 4, 2012 10:10 AM EST up reply actions
I also realized I just contradicted myself. Key isn’t the right word, so no. I just mean he’s actually one of our top point producing forwards outside the Kessel-Loops line.
by Goosemonster on Jan 4, 2012 10:10 AM EST up reply actions
He’s only on pace for 50 points, and right now he’s shooting 19%. So he likely won’t even hit 50.
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“only” 50 points for 2 million dollars and change?
by Goosemonster on Jan 4, 2012 10:13 AM EST up reply actions
Probably about market value for 50 points.
Kadri could be making him expendable.
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I’m not against trading him I just dont see how moving him outside of a package helps this team. In which case its either for a unicorn (very unlikely) or a shut-down D. Would I move him for a rental player? eh. depends on the guy, but not necessarily.
by Goosemonster on Jan 4, 2012 10:19 AM EST up reply actions
also, 50 points can also get you like 5 million dollars (see: Leino, Ville)
by Goosemonster on Jan 4, 2012 10:20 AM EST up reply actions
Players on pace for 45 to 55 points, with a minimum of 15 GP, sorted by time on ice. Mac is 6th least TOI (of 56), and becomes 4th least if you raise the GP minimum to 20.
Other names, higher up the list (higher being worse in this case): Grabovski, Cammalleri, Colin Wilson, Ryan Clowe, Bobby Ryan, Eric Staal, Derek Roy, Paul Stastny.
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I really wished they moved MacArthur last year at the trade deadline. This guys performance this year screams mean reversion.
Nothing wrong with MacArthur…
He’s on pace to score more goals, but doesn’t have Graboski and Kulemin to help with his assists.
He’s also missed 7 games.
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Kulemin really has been the monkey wrench in grabbo and macs season so far. THose 2 have looked good still, Kulemin has been practically invisible
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by Matt_Roberts on Jan 4, 2012 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
Kulemin has also hit roughly 800 posts this year.
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At the very least.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 4, 2012 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
oh, for sure
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by pho king awesome on Jan 4, 2012 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
I await hockey analysis to tell me the actual posts per game minus 4 games in November tho
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by leafer1984 on Jan 4, 2012 10:55 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
his POSTS/60 is off the charts
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by pho king awesome on Jan 4, 2012 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
Yup. MacArthur’s A/GP rate has dropped from .5 to .28. Part of it’s the ice time, part of it’s the linemate production.
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This guys performance this year screams mean reversion.
uhhh, no it doesn’t. It screams “sustained performance, decreased ice time.”
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At this point in the season, MacArthur has 14:38 ATOI – less than his split season with Buffalo/Atlanta – and is still putting up .63 PPG (albeit at a 4.3% higher S% than his career). He has 7 points in his last 6 games, and only played over 13:40 ATOI in two of them.
Scoring from the third line? Thy name is Clarke MacArthur. At a 52 point pace, he’s doing exactly what we wanted Versteeg to do this season. At 3.25M for this year and next, I’m not sure what happens to him, but I’m not sure the answer is to move him unless the return is quite good.
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yup, that’s how I feel. If its part of a package for a unicorn, go right ahead. Otherwise let’s not go lateral.
by Goosemonster on Jan 4, 2012 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
MacArthur is on pace for 25 goals, is good defensively, and is on a reasonable contract. Why on Earth would the Leafs trade him (unless he was part of a package for a better player)?
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unless he was part of a package for a better player
exactly this reason, I don’t think anyone was suggesting other wise
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 4, 2012 2:56 PM EST up reply actions
Riddle me this
If the Leafs do, as many are suggesting, make a Grabo-for-shutdown-defenceman deal, what on earth happens to the defensive lineup? The team is already overcrowded on the backend.
Also: am I the only one who wants Liles re-signed?
well, that escalated quickly
Aulie back to Marlies.
As for Liles, peace out hombre
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Still 7 D
Phaneuf, Schenn, Gunnarsson, Liles, Gardiner, Franson, Komisarek
+1 magical shutdown D. Am I the only one who sees a problem here?
well, that escalated quickly
yeah no. We ran 7D when we had 7 healthy D, why not do it again? There will be more injuries.
by Goosemonster on Jan 4, 2012 10:16 AM EST up reply actions
oh and I like Liles and hope they resign him
He’s one of my 2 favorite D’s for the Leafs Powerplay (Franson being the other one)
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Franson has been impressive. It would be a shame if they sat him when Komi returns.
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Hell yeah. 50-point pace pre-concussion, how is that something more don’t want? Past Phaneuf—who is on some kind of unsustainably magical 54-point pace — I don’t see anyone within the system coming close to those numbers.
well, that escalated quickly
who is on some kind of unsustainably magical 54-point pace
Why is Phaneuf’s pace unsustainable?
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Nothing more than a gut feeling, I just can’t see him keeping up such a pace.
well, that escalated quickly
He has actually slowed down recently. Well except for last night.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 4, 2012 10:27 AM EST up reply actions
if anything, Phaneuf’s shooting percentage is really low.. if he gets lucky, his pace might actually increase..
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He doesn’t seem to be missing high and wide as much as last year. But that might just be confirmation bias
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by T is for Truculence on Jan 4, 2012 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
His shot has improved
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Leafs likely send Gardiner to the AHL and keep rotate Komi, Schenn, and Franson out of the lineup
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To answer your second question, no, but you are one of a small clique.
by Goosemonster on Jan 4, 2012 10:14 AM EST up reply actions
I want Liles re-signed.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 4, 2012 10:27 AM EST up reply actions
if we didn’t have Komi’s 4.5 behemoth I’d agree, but it would add too much too the cap without moving (unmoveable) salary.
by Goosemonster on Jan 4, 2012 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
I believe this is Finger’s last year.. so the Marlies may need a new “Veteran” next year
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he wasn’t that bad this year, definitely not AHL level. Burke won’t put people in the AHL just for having a big contract (which Burke would blame on himself, if anyone. He puts them there when they cant beat out the other 6/7 guys. Komi is an NHL defender.
by Goosemonster on Jan 4, 2012 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
no movement clause
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 4, 2012 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
After Wisniewski fiasco this year, I think Liles will test free agency next year. It’s pretty thin picking for puck moving defencemen next year.
He could commend a very significant return, in that some serious contenders are in need of a puck moving defencemen – Boston, Philly, Vancouver to think of a few – to solidify a playoff run.
Boston probably doesn’t have a need or a want for Liles since they have Joe Corvo.
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I listened to couple of bruinstalkradio.com podcasts and they seem to think that they seriously need a puck moving defencemen (and they’re a bunch of homers). They actually mentioned Liles as a possible high value target.
Another 1st round pick + a former 1st round pick who (they perceive to have) disappointed? I’ll take that, thank you very much!
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 4, 2012 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
So their late 1st this year and Dougie Hamilton? I’m ok with that
by Chi-town leafs on Jan 4, 2012 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
This guy knows what I’m talking about!
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 4, 2012 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
I have high hopes for Percy
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by T is for Truculence on Jan 4, 2012 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
same. Percy would have been on Team Canada if not for his concussion earlier this year. Hes realllly good
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doubt it, Canada’s defence was pretty stacked, would you really take Percy over any of the players on that teams blue line?
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 4, 2012 2:58 PM EST up reply actions
We’re making this decision prior to last night game, correct?
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 4, 2012 3:00 PM EST up reply actions
talken bout d men, not goalies
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 4, 2012 3:01 PM EST up reply actions
Not that he had a bad all around tournament, but Ryan Murray crapped the bed last night on several goals.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 4, 2012 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
right, lots of good players have bad games, and all those guys are better prospects than Percy
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 4, 2012 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
Is Beaulieu a defenceman?
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by T is for Truculence on Jan 4, 2012 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
Not according to that one play….
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by fair_n_hite_451 on Jan 4, 2012 6:31 PM EST up reply actions
I like Liles. He has been good so far this year, and if they resigned him at the right price, I’d be happy, but I wouldn’t be too upset if he walked.
by JohnerstonRex on Jan 4, 2012 11:08 AM EST up reply actions
You want the Leafs to re-sign a small 31 year old defenseman with concussion issues?
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well the Leafs dont have any other offensive defensemen…..
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 4, 2012 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
I’m just saying that he seem’s to be working out well enough this year. He’s a veteran on a young team, and if he were to re-sign for a reasonable price, then why not? He seem’s to be a better quarterback on the PP than Kaberle, and another year or two with young guys like Gardiner could be beneficial to the team.
But if he walks, it’s not a big deal. we have Gardiner and Franson.
by JohnerstonRex on Jan 4, 2012 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
Anyone know why Leafs TV hasn’t put up the Game in 6 yet? Never really pad attention to the timing of that coming out – I always assumed it was later on the night of the game yet last night’s isn’t up yet…
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by fair_n_hite_451 on Jan 4, 2012 10:22 AM EST reply actions
You can always watch it on Youtube on mapleleafsunofficial:
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Although whoever posts that only seems to post Gi6 when the Leafs win.
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by CanadianMaple09 on Jan 4, 2012 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
What the hell is the deal with the Senators? I mean I’m all for them ruining their draft position and everything, but come on.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 4, 2012 10:33 AM EST reply actions
Karlsson 37 points in 40 games is the only thing that worries me. The rest of the team will fall back to earth within the month.
well, that escalated quickly
Since we’re on the subject, Offer-sheet Karlsson, right?
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 4, 2012 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
Is that the defenceman you wanted? Well…
by Goosemonster on Jan 4, 2012 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
Why not? He’s the best PMD in the Eastern conference… Well worth a first round pick two years from now.
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He plays the Brian Campbell style of defense. Doesn’t matter if you get around him because he will just catch you.
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"Ville Leino may stink but he’s still way better than Matt Ellis."
I thought the first round pick level was lower than that… you can get him for less?
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"Ville Leino may stink but he’s still way better than Matt Ellis."
Yeah, i was thinking like 30M/6y
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I fully support Buffalo offer sheeting Karlsson. I’d like for you guys to add another defence the Leafs’ forwards can just whip right by.
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We have Andrej Sekera for that so we don’t need him.
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Yeah, but he’d look swell on the Flyers, right?
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Especially because Timonen is a billion years old so they won’t have a PMD anymore.
Plus its well known that Holmgren hates draft picks.
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"Ville Leino may stink but he’s still way better than Matt Ellis."
Except when his team sucks ass for one year and he lucks out with JVR. Or when he dismantles half his team for picks and prospects and ends up taking former #1 ranked Couturier at 8th. Phuck Philly.
You can at least find solace that Couturier has the same # of points as Ville Leino.
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Ok
I just mentioned this on twitter, but going to expand on it here.
Barret Jackman as opposed to Ryan Suter. Jackman is 30, and has an expiring deal this summer. Plays 20+ mins a night for the Blues as their shutdown guy, plays the left side, and even though he’s not a big point producer, moves the puck in the positive direction.
I’m definitely not saying he’s the better player, but could potentially be the better fit, cost wise.
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He would be a nice runner up prize
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Once a week I forget Barrett Jackman is in the league.
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You mean, Former Calder Trophy Winner, Barrett Jackman.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 4, 2012 10:37 AM EST up reply actions
I still think of Ric Jackman every time I hear that name.
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by CanadianMaple09 on Jan 4, 2012 10:37 AM EST up reply actions
I always think of Barrett Jackson Auto Shows. Every time, without fail.
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Ditto.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 4, 2012 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
If you look at his advanced stats, he’s solid for several years now. Plays tough minutes and keeps SA/60 low. He won’t get you Suter’s 40-45 points, but he’s physical and can play 21-23 minutes a night and starts a lot of defensive zone.
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he’s basically exactly what many feel the Leafs need, and could cost half as much as Suter on the UFA market.
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ok, pull the trigger!
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by pho king awesome on Jan 4, 2012 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
Sure, but, dumb name, or dumbest name?
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 4, 2012 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
Boone Jenner says what’s up and then inexplicably spears you.
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by clrkaitken on Jan 4, 2012 10:41 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
What a fuckin dickwad
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psh…#TypicalGenerals
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how about that Belelieu backcheck? brutalll
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by Matt_Roberts on Jan 4, 2012 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
nicely done
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by Matt_Roberts on Jan 4, 2012 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
fucking strome hits the post with like 30 seconds left… that game so should have gone to OT
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by Matt_Roberts on Jan 4, 2012 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
That’s okay. Now Strome, Visentin and the Hamiltons can go back to engineering a second-round exit.
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Did you adjust for the Blue and White factor?
Adjusted SA/60 = SA/60 * 1.105
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It doesn’t help he’s spent his entire career with the Blues, and I often forget they exist about once a week.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Jan 4, 2012 6:47 PM EST up reply actions
But…I want…the shiny one.
I don’t hate the idea from the perspective of “we need a left shutdown guy,” but I’d see him as an insurance policy in the event that someone locks down Suter before he hits UFA, not a solution alone. I would have no problem paying exorbitant amounts of money to obtain Suter on the UFA market – I just worry he’ll be moved on the trade market, instead.
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what would you say Suter is worth on the trade market?
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by pho king awesome on Jan 4, 2012 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
A shit load
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If Poile said “Suter is up for auction” I guarantee you someone would give up a ridiculous amount of assets. Kadri, Schenn, and a first would look tame.
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i’m thinking a bit less then we gave up for Kessel would get it done, not saying i would want to do that though
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by pho king awesome on Jan 4, 2012 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
Agreed.
Suter in an auction nets more than the Kessel deal.
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by fair_n_hite_451 on Jan 4, 2012 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
I think we may be overvaluing Suter a bit here, seeing how we need him badly
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by pho king awesome on Jan 4, 2012 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
He’s in the middle of / will be coming off a 27 year old, defensively stalwart, 27:02 ATOI, currently 0.62 PPG pace, some of which now has even been spent without Weber. It’s like getting Chara, but two years younger than he was when Boston got him. Remember the adage “elite talent doesn’t move?” If Suter is moving and Nashville still has some leverage, someone’s going to pay up.
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he is awesome, it will be interesting to see if anyone pays what it takes, and what exactly that is
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by pho king awesome on Jan 4, 2012 11:14 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t see how Nashville keeps both him and Weber. One is going to have to go. Or their budget will have to be essentialyl the cap, which is not really possible for them.
by Goosemonster on Jan 4, 2012 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
ILLOGICAL ROSTERBATION TIME
If Suter makes it to free agency there’s literally no reason for us not to be heavily in the mix. Let’s assume Burke moves Army/MacA/Grabbo/Liles/Franson/Gus/Crabb/Orr, either through trade or losing them to free agency. He-signs Kulie for around $4-5m, Boyce and Scrivens for around $1m each, and promotes Colborne. He could then go out and pay Suter $7.1m and still have around $5.5m in cap space.
CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR
FORWARDS
Joffrey Lupul ($4.250m) / Tyler Bozak ($1.500m) / Phil Kessel ($5.400m)
Nikolai Kulemin ($4.500m) / Tim Connolly ($4.750m) / Nazem Kadri ($1.720m)
Matthew Lombardi ($3.500m) / Joe Colborne ($1.100m) / Matt Frattin ($1.300m)
Darryl Boyce ($1.100m) / David Steckel ($1.100m) / Mike Brown ($0.736m)
DEFENSEMEN
Ryan Suter ($7.100m) / Dion Phaneuf ($6.500m)
Carl Gunnarsson ($1.325m) / Luke Schenn ($3.600m)
Jake Gardiner ($1.116m) / Mike Komisarek ($4.500m)
GOALTENDERS
James Reimer ($1.800m) / Ben Scrivens ($0.900m)
BUYOUTS: Darcy Tucker ($1.000m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $58,798,334; BONUSES: $1,525,000
CAP SPACE (20-man roster): $5,501,666
Kulemin won’t get $4-5 Million based on how he’s played this season. Paying Boyce 1.1 is also high. Gunnarsson also needs to be re-signed I think which will be fairly big money. But your principal is sound
by Chi-town leafs on Jan 4, 2012 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
Possibly low for Suter considering Burke won’t due a huge backloaded deal like some other teams will (meaning Burke will have to give him a higher cap hit)
by Chi-town leafs on Jan 4, 2012 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
Gunnarsson has one more year on his deal.
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Nvm on that then. Also doubt we lose all of those players, I think Burke likes MacA for his truculence.
by Chi-town leafs on Jan 4, 2012 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
MacArthur is a 50-55pt player for $3.25M. That’s fantastic value. I see no reason to get rid of him at all.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 4, 2012 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
It’s not I feel MacArthur is bad or under performing. I just feel I’d take Kadri over him moving forward.
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Agreed, but I’d rather get rid of Lombardi for peanuts in order to give Kadri a roster spot than get rid of MacA.
Both for MacA’s 50-55 points and the potential for him to ragdoll some Hab player once or twice a year
by Chi-town leafs on Jan 4, 2012 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
Fair enough point, but what are you gonna get back for Lombardi? Probably another poor contract, which is a lateral move. If Burke can move Lombo for anything half-decent though, that’d be nice.
It doesn’t have to be half decent, just a late pick and some salary coming back would be ok with me.
by Chi-town leafs on Jan 4, 2012 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
fuck, that deal is going to be the best value in the league next year
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by pho king awesome on Jan 4, 2012 8:46 PM EST up reply actions
Kulemin’s an RFA. I’d guess he comes in around $2.5M for three years.
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you are right, 2.5 sounds right
by power-forward on Jan 4, 2012 1:20 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
YOu think he signs a 3/$7.5M deal?
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What’re his options? Hold out? Get offer sheeted? He’s going to put up around 30pts this year.
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Sorry, I meant Burke signs him. I hope its lower than that
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I think his value is around 2.5 given his defensive work and his potential upside.
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ya, lets hope he signs for 3y/2.5 per and pots 30 goals next season
by power-forward on Jan 4, 2012 1:36 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
i wonder if burke moves bozak, does that affect kessels production?
by power-forward on Jan 4, 2012 1:39 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
well im not really a fan of lombardi centering the 2nd, and i like grabbo on the third, and boazak is decent option as a third/1st
by power-forward on Jan 4, 2012 1:48 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
is it just me or isthe free agent pool gonna be pretty weak?
by power-forward on Jan 4, 2012 2:12 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Kulemin’s massive (unwarranted) raise aside, I think this chart can just be summarized by “the Leafs have a lot of cap space, especially if they aren’t going to be re-signing Grabovski and Liles.” 17 players signed, 14.2M in cap space, and the cornerstones (Phaneuf, Kessel, Reimer) are all under contract through next year. Awesome.
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I would fully endorse trading Schenn (as a package) for Suter. It opens up a spot for Franson who i think has played well enough to keep a spot in the lineup. He adds more offence than Schenn at a cheaper price and IF Schenn doesnt turn into the player we want him to be, his contract won’t look so good in a couple of years.
Just remember Schenn still has 12 points in 38 games this year, that’s .32 ppg from a supposed “stay-at-home, low scoring d-man”. He’s a +6 (highest D on the team) even with the atricious start to the season and is still only 22 years old. Not sure why people are on the “get rid of Schenn” bandwagon.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 4, 2012 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
Its not a bandwagon thing – but if we need Schenn to bring in Suter than good bye Luke. Franson is only a couple years older and has similar pro experience, scores at 0.42 ppg replacing Liles on the PP and would probably be cheaper than for the forseeable future. With Phaneuf, Gunnar Suter, you have three guys who will be playing 22+ mins, throw in Komi and Gardiner who can play 18-25 any given night. there’s only room for one more D-man and we don’t need to pay him $3.6M.
We’re trading a developing prospect for 3 months of a pending UFA why exactly?
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I know it’s implied in the UFA, but it could also be emphasized that however much better Suter is, he’s also 5+ years older than Schenn.
by Chi-town leafs on Jan 4, 2012 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
I’m really loathe to trade assets for anyone before we can negotiate a contract. Leafs’ best case scenario is that Nashville is poised to make a playoff run at the deadline, does so, takes a first round exit, and Suter heads to UFA period, or the Leafs pick up his rights for a conditional pick. This is also a “worst case scenario” for Poile and the Preds.
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kuli gets 4.5 ?? frattin gets 3.5? thats crazy talk
by power-forward on Jan 4, 2012 1:16 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
ooops mis read on frattin
by power-forward on Jan 4, 2012 1:19 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I think Suter’s a better Norris candidate this season than Weber is.
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Calgary would trade everyone on their roster than didn’t have an NMC for Suter. (it wouldn’t be enough)
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i don’t think a one for one deal will get Suter done
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by pho king awesome on Jan 4, 2012 11:19 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
As I said on Twitter, it’s hard to imagine Jackman ever reaching the open market. He’s a solid, reliable, veteran defender on a team that’s already good and only going to get better. The Blues have lots of cap space. The only way Jackman hits the market is if he says “Sorry guys, it’s not about the money, I just don’t like St. Louis”.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Jan 4, 2012 6:57 PM EST up reply actions
Sounds too good to be true.
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And thus Brian Burke entered the New Year by examining his roster and cap situation and said, “Wait, what the fuck was I thinking? Gotta fix this shit.”
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by SkinnyFish on Jan 4, 2012 12:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Now just to solve the Komi and Lombardi situation
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Not terribly pressing at this point, provided they both play to their abilities.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 4, 2012 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
If Lombardi stays healthy, I could see him being shipped out at the deadline, but with the injury problems he’s had I don’t think anyone would take him right now.
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could get a 3rd or 4th for him maybe….
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 4, 2012 5:15 PM EST up reply actions
I’d gladly do that deal if I were Burke. We’ve got enough guys to play in the bottom 6 even when injuries strike, and it would free up room to take on salary as the trade deadline approaches.
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…. aaaaaannnndddd Burke came to his senses
by Chi-town leafs on Jan 4, 2012 12:06 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Before we get too crazy
Colton Orr is only 22 games shy of earning full NHL pension privileges. He gets $8,000 instead of $12,500 starting at age 45 and is ineligible for the one-time lump sum of $250,000 at age 55.
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True, but there’s no way he gets into another 22 games this season.
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by T is for Truculence on Jan 4, 2012 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
probably ever. Just pointing out there’s more to this story.
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before we get too crazy, colton orr will have made 4 million dollars in his time with toronto alone
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by The Bag on Jan 4, 2012 1:46 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
He’s been married for a long time and his wife is hysterically attractive.
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by MapleLeafMole on Jan 4, 2012 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
I will personally burn down all of your houses if you don’t get into the post about Jack Jablonski.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 4, 2012 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
do you wish to hear more?
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by FiftyMissionCap on Jan 4, 2012 7:01 PM EST up reply actions
So, am I gonna be the only one actually cheering on the… dare I say it… habs tonight? I’m not liking the fact that the Jets have a better record than the Leafs right now.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 4, 2012 12:51 PM EST reply actions
I’d be OK with the Leafs and Jets getting the last 2 playoff spots in the East.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 4, 2012 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
Disagree. FUck the Jets
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yes, but Fuck the habs more. I want them to suffer.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 4, 2012 1:04 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
ideally they both miss the playoffs.
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honestly, I care so little about the jets I can’t even get worked up about them. i hate them no more or less than the rangers or canes or panthers.
habs I’ll hate for life
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 4, 2012 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
Jets fans piss me off, I have enough hate to spread it around pretty much every Canadian team except the Leafs, except for Calgary which I mostly pity, and Edmonton, who for some reason I can’t really hate.
I’m in the same boat. Edmonton however, is getting a little easier to hate every day as their fans keep claiming that they’re building a contender the “right” or “proper” way.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 4, 2012 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
its sickening.
My buddy told me the other day “Edmonton is looking great this year, they’ll probably make the playoffs. Amazing how fast they are getting good”
“uh… have you checked the standings lately…?”
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The poll asks who believes EDM management when they claim The true talent level of their goaltending. Only this response topped the original comment:
It’s the 21 [2 more people voted “yes” by this time] different IP address’ at the Oilers Head Office.
by DarrenV on Jan 2, 2012 3:06 PM PST up reply actions
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 4, 2012 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
Edmonton fans are still far, far better than Vancouver or Calgary fans.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Jan 4, 2012 7:02 PM EST up reply actions
not really, no
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 4, 2012 7:05 PM EST up reply actions
Cheer on success for the Leafs and mediocrity for the rest of them.
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I’m cheering for the Habs to finish 9th
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by T is for Truculence on Jan 4, 2012 12:58 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
They currently have two more points than the Hurricanes, el oh el.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 4, 2012 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t want the Habs to get Yakupov. At this point it looks like he ends up in Columbus. If Anaheim gets him it will be a lot like that one year Philly randomly tanked and ended up with vanRiemsdyk. That was such an anomaly
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by T is for Truculence on Jan 4, 2012 1:02 PM EST up reply actions
Columbus and Anaheim have broken away as way shittier teams than anyone else.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Jan 4, 2012 7:04 PM EST up reply actions
I’m not cheering for either team so much as I’m hoping it’s a regulation win for one of them. Three point games among eastern teams are killer.
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True, but at present, I’d rather that regulation win be for MTL.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 4, 2012 1:04 PM EST up reply actions
yeah I’d like them to get close to a playoff spot and not get in to watch the Montreal fans start calling for heads to roll.
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by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 4, 2012 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
You have a falling out with the meteor the rest are cheering for?
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by Learn2Leaf on Jan 4, 2012 1:03 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
There’s always that, sorry.
/hangshead
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 4, 2012 1:04 PM EST up reply actions
ATTENTION EVERYONE
I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT MY GIRLFRIEND STOPPED BY THE LEAFS OUTDOOR PRACTICE TODAY UNDER HER OWN POWER. THEN TOLD ME SHE’S OFFICIALLY A LEAF FAN.
PROUDEST DAY EVER.
sorry for the caps but considering when I met her she was all “eww hockey” this is a major improvement. and it only took 2 years.
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by thenumber14 on Jan 4, 2012 12:59 PM EST reply actions 5 recs
Congratulations man
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by MLS on Jan 4, 2012 1:01 PM EST up reply actions
my lady likes hockey.
my oldest son is now firmly in the leafs camp.
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Actually, a new employee started at my work here yesterday who formerly lived in KW and is a Leafs fan. What are the chances, eh?
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My girlfriend likes Boston. My last ex before that liked Vancouver. Careful what you wish for…?
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by FiftyMissionCap on Jan 4, 2012 7:04 PM EST up reply actions
My fiancee cheered that game a few weeks back when connolly scored the game winner. Full out cheered. SHe looked at me and said “dont you dare tell anyone I did that”
I’m wearing here down
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show her a picture of john-Michael Liles, that’s what did it for my girlfriend.
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too bad Versteeg isn’t around anymore. He can lure a lady away from their current team
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 4, 2012 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
According to my wife, Lupul is the new hotness. Before that, it was Christian “Handsome”, and before that, Dominic Moore.
Girl at work called him Sexy Lupul today
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I’m in a no win. I think this was the conversation from a few games ago:
Wife: What’s the score?
Me: Tied after two.
Wife: Ah, they’ll blow it in the third.
Me: You always say that, why do you want the Leafs to lose so much?
Wife: I don’t. I just know they’ll blow it in the third.
and last night:
Me: Woo! 6-3!
Wife: really? they scored again?
Me: yep. Looks like they won’t blow this one.
Wife: Well, that’s too bad for Canada.
Me: What?
Wife: Well, if the Leafs win, as improbable as that is, Canada is going to lose. Both teams can’t win in the same night. Law of averages.
Me: I… you… don’t do that!
She will never be a fan of team sports, but she puts up with it so long as she gets to be a smartass.
So, apparently I can now be followed.. but no stalking. @alsonamedphil
Haha, my girlfriend has been doing that for about a year now.
- glare * “Are you turning me into a hockey fan?!?” * glare **
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I made my wife a leaf fan in 2004. worst time ever because it was playoff hockey, followed by the lockout, followed by 5 years of awfulness.
she’s constantly looking for new teams to cheer for.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 4, 2012 1:12 PM EST up reply actions
You should probably buy her a jersey stat. Get her hooked for good.
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And not some bullshit narrow cut pink fucking glitter jersey a real jersey.
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by Chemmy on Jan 4, 2012 1:14 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Last Christmas she got a KEssel jersey, I got my Phaneuf jersey
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Got last years 3rd jersey with PHANEUF and this years 3rd with KESSEL.
I love them both equally and have a hard time deciding which one to wear…
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My wife came around to being a Leafs fan a few years ago without me trying. She would just hang around me when I watched the games and eventually it rubbed off on her. It’s extra special considering she’s a native Detroiter and not many around these parts have loyalties to team not named the “red wings”. Her friends still become outraged when they hear her chant “go Leafs!”.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 4, 2012 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
Her friends still become outraged when they hear her chant "go Leafs!"
this is the best one
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Yeah, she even went as far as requesting a leafs tuque as part of her Christmas present.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 4, 2012 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
Yep, this is pretty much how it happenned with me. I’d take over the living room every Saturday night, and I get pretty excited watching hockey, and I think the enthusiasm rubbed off on her.
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I was at the game last night
Here’s my largely unprofessional analysis from my perch in section 312, row 15.
The PK looked strong tonight, and I think I’ve figured out why some people think the Leafs are chasing too much, and some think that they’re being too passive. The truth is, they’re doing both. Take the first PK we had. There were instances where the puck was free in the corner, and the defenceman had a chance of beating the forward to the puck and clearing it. However what ended up happening was that the defenceman (I don’t remember which one) hesitated before going after the puck. There were also times where players would rush after pucks that they had no chance of getting to, and then be subsequently caught well out of position. Overall, I’d say the PK looked much better as the game went on, the players seemed to be responding to situations and scenarios on the PK much better, and most importantly, with less and less hesitation.
Second thing, Lupul had a great night with 4 points but it was Grabovski who I found to be the best player on the ice for the entire night. Every single shift he was creating chances, his goal was fantastic, and I have to say, if we can’t re-sign him we’d better get a hell of a lot back as far as a trade is concerned.
It was a fun night, the game was great and it was a very big win for us. It sucks Canada lost last night too but oh well. As long as the Leafs are winning I’ll be happy.
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the hesitation scares me. part of it stems from the fact that our D are really, really dumb. but part of it I think is the systems/coaching leave them either unsure of what to do, or they simply have to think too much to know what to do.
someone said the other day they’ve had the instincts coached right out of them. I think that statement is probably more true than not.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 4, 2012 1:10 PM EST up reply actions
I just hope to God that IQ tests are NOT part of the concussion test they run on our players.
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by not norm ullman on Jan 4, 2012 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
In other news all Leafs defensemen have been placed on IR indefinitely due to failing the IQ portion of the IMPACT concussion testing.
by Chi-town leafs on Jan 4, 2012 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
PHANUEF ANGRY AT SMARTS TESTS. PHANUEF SMASH!
At least it's not Lebda.
by Nifty Mittens on Jan 4, 2012 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
i suspect that’s why Leafs never get diagnosed with concussions; their baseline scores are already quite low.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 4, 2012 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
The best Grabbo moment was when he accidentally assisted on Phaneuf’s goal. He was trying the same move he scored the overtime winner against the Habs with and just lost the puck which went right to Dion. Made me laugh. Shifty little guy.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 4, 2012 1:10 PM EST up reply actions
Grabbo is the energizer bunny, but really good at hockey, I’ll be sad to see him go…..
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He evidently likes it here so its possible he re-signs, if he wants an extra year of term for a lower salary or something like that. We gave him a chance to succeed when Montreal wouldn’t. Not saying he will definitely re-sign, just that I’d consider it a stronger possibility than with another player performing that well going into UFA.
If Grabovski makes it past the trade deadline he’ll be re-signed. I think there’s a good chance he’s moved out for good assets.
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I think that’s more likely than not, but I think it depends on a few things:
A) What people are willing to pay – Burke won’t trade Grabbo without getting what he wants, otherwise as he says he gets the cap space in the off-season.
B) Where the Leafs are in the standings – Burke probably won’t trade one of our best players night in, night out, just because he’s going to be a UFA. If he thinks it will help this team in the playoffs, he’ll keep him.
if burkes options are trade him for scraps or let him walk as a UFA, he will trade him for scraps
scraps are better than an empty plate
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 4, 2012 3:04 PM EST up reply actions
I dunno, he hasn’t made one trade like that yet. He holds onto guys until he gets the deal he wants. And we’ve all heard him say a million times how much of an asset cap space is.
that is only when said players have contract time left, when has he ever let a valuable player walk for nothing as a UFA?
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 4, 2012 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
when has he ever let a valuable player walk for nothing as a UFA?
Is this a trick question? When was the last time Burke was ever in the position of having a “valuable player” approach UFA? I guess kabby would qualify.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 4, 2012 3:17 PM EST up reply actions
I think he should have held on to Antropov. We’ve been looking for a big, strong centre who can score goals ever since.
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Well he hasn’t yet because he’s been able to extract what he wanted. But I just have a gut feeling that he would have let Kaberle walk if he didn’t get the offer he did for him.
that would be stupid of him if he had a trade on the table even if it was a 2nd and a shit prospect and he let Kabby walk as a UFA
you think that Burke traded Kubina for shite for no reason?
no he traded him for that because that is the best he could get
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 4, 2012 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
I thought he was traded for shit because he wanted cap space for Komisarek? I’m probably wrong but I thought that was the whole point of that debacle
If you look up "Loyalty" in the dictionary you'll see a picture of a Leafs fan wearing a Todd Gill jeresy looking like he just got punched in the stomach
You are correct. Traded Kubina to open up room to sign Komisarek. Or possibly Beauchemin.
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but you can bet your ass he tried to get something better at first
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 4, 2012 6:42 PM EST up reply actions
Burke is dealing with a 100% different team nowadays and he’s no longer trying to frantically kick anyone with an NTC out the door. We’ve all heard him preach about how the best trades are the ones that work for both teams… he’s determined to keep his integrity as a negotiator. He won’t be ripped off. He’ll let the player walk, take the cap space, and spend it on someone else.
How does trading an expiring contract compromise his integrity as a negotiator?
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if he gets peanuts it does. I don’t know why it’s hard to understand. You can fully disagree, but he won’t trade a player like Grabbo for scraps just to make a trade. He’ll take him into the playoffs with us, and use the capspace if he doesn’t re-sign.
no it doesn’t
if he lets a good tradeable asset walk for free without getting any return it tells other gms to just sit on it and wait for free agency
Burke trading a player for lower value because of lack of takers is a “if you want him, come and get him, because if you don’t he’ll go to another team”
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 4, 2012 6:44 PM EST up reply actions
i really wish there was a GIF of that one angle where you see Dion sneak in from the blue line, makes me laugh everytime. like a tiptoeing elephant.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 4, 2012 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
DavidAlter590 David AlterWilson employing win and your in system with goalies. Gustavsson starts tomorrow #leafs
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As he should
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That’s stupid.
Gustavsson lets in 3 goals on 24 shots. Leafs score 7. He gets the win and the next start.
Reimer lets in 3 goals on 35 shots. Leafs score 2. He gets benched.
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It’s even dumber to run the “win and you’re in” line. If Gustavsson does get a W tomorrow, do we have to play him against Detroit on Saturday?
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Gustavsson has played awesome against Detroit IIRC.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 4, 2012 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
his first ever NHL game was the pre-season game against the Wings. which is when he made that amazing save.
think he did the same against them in the pre-season this year as well.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 4, 2012 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
Whoop dee do. He made an amazing save against the Grand Rapids Griffins. Good for him.
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He’s just hating on our SUCCESS.
I shot a moose once, in upstate New York.
by not norm ullman on Jan 4, 2012 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
Against ATL:
3 GP, 1-2-0, 9 GA (7 at ES), .857 SVP.
Win and you’re in! Especially against other bubble teams!
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Except for maybe the 2nd goal, I’m not hanging that on Jonas. He still won the game, and I am not disagreeing with you, but you go with the guy who won
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James Reimer is a better goaltender than Jonas Gustavsson and gives the team a better chance to win.
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i dunno. i think giving Reimer some time to focus on practicing will be better in the long run.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 4, 2012 1:44 PM EST up reply actions
Focus on practicing what? He’s a top 10 goaltender at evens, he’s getting shelled on the PK.
Gustavsson is a top 50 goaltender at evens.
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he hasn’t looked great the last few starts. I’d prefer he take some time and take care of those small issues. sometimes a goalie can benefit from a little time practicing angles, timing. etc.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 4, 2012 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
If Reimer needs practice on the little things Jonas Gustavsson needs a lot more.
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Remember when everyone thought Gus’s career was over, then he had a few weeks of not playing and focusing on practicing. then he came back and won like 5 games in a row?
sometimes it helps.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 4, 2012 1:49 PM EST up reply actions
He won 4 in a row during which the Leafs scored 23 goals.
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and during which he let in just 7.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 4, 2012 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
This is the same logic that lets Andrew Raycroft think he played a good 06-07 season.
Gustavsson: 10-7-0, .896, 3.26 GAA
Raycroft: 37-25-9, .894, 2.99.
November SVP: .9065. He had fewer than three goals against in just 4 of his 8 appearances, and that includes the 2-goals-on-6-shots-in-boston appearance as “under 3 goals.” To re-purpose a Mitch Hedberg joke, I used to think Gustavsson’s career was over. I still do, but I used to, too.
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Last 5 full games
Reimer – .914, .882, .909, .952, .952 – 2-2-1 record.
Gustavsson – .875, .889, .861, .938, .872 – 2-3-0 record.
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so you don’t want to talk about the game he let in 3 goals on 8 shots?
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 4, 2012 1:52 PM EST up reply actions
Ok, put that one in and count Gustavsson’s 6th. That’s still 4/6 above .900 for Reimer and only 1/6 above .900 for Gustavsson.
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by my count that’s 2 above .900 for Gus.
But I’m not really that concerned with Gus. I’m concerned with the weak goals on Reimer that are very uncharacteristic of him. he’s missed a lot of time this seasons and he didn’t look sharp the last 3 games he’s been back since he got injured. let him take a few more days to get sharp. one more game with Gus in net isn’t going to make or break our season.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 4, 2012 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
that 889 was a half game
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In this case, etc. stands for “the team not killing penalties at a rate of 75%”, yeah?
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also not letting in 3 goals on 8 shots would be nice.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 4, 2012 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
i think that’s just your response to everything I type.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 4, 2012 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
Does it really matter? This is a four point game against a team we’ll be trying to jump over to make the playoffs.
Want to play Battlefield tomorrow at 7EST?
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YOu’re gonna skip the game because Gustavsson is playing?
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Let's add stats to this shall we?
In games with Gustavsson in net, (GAA 3.26), the Leafs score on average 3.93 goals.
In games with Reimer in net, (GAA 3.01), the Leafs score on average 2.80 goals.
Gustavsson is the benefactor of the Leafs offense not shitting the bed, something he has ZERO effect on.
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Clearly the Leafs have no confidence in attacking the other end when Reimer is in net.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 4, 2012 1:45 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The leafs know that Gustavsson will let in a ton of goals, and therefore are inspired get more offensive chances
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by Ubiquitous on Jan 4, 2012 1:47 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Reversal of last year’s statistic where the Leafs were physically incapable of scoring when Gustavsson played.
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right. which is why the narrative was so absurd then, just as it is absurd now.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 4, 2012 1:50 PM EST up reply actions
Or
Jonas Gustavsson is a goal-per-game player.
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you don’t know that. He could have the Amulet of Goal-scoring, providing a +20% boost to your team’s ability to score.
That’s only for the Ranger class goaltenders like Lundqvist.
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by SkinnyFish on Jan 4, 2012 2:06 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I’d give it to Gustavsson only because Reimer hasn’t looked amazing against Winnipeg this season and the team’s PK seems to fare a lot better with him in net. But, Wilson’s logic baffles me.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Jan 4, 2012 7:09 PM EST up reply actions
Is anyone surprised? This is Wilson’s modus operandi (ride the “hot hand/goalie”) – unless you are a recent callup, in which case it’s keep playing the struggling veteran hoping that he’ll turn around for 3 games longer than he should, while letting the fresh callup ride the pressbox.
I know everyone hates the idea, but I advocate platooning them now more than ever. Gives Reimer a chance to develop without burning out, according to the ups and downs of the team, and keeps Gustavsson fresh enough to keep the leafs in the game when he is in net, until Reimer has matured enough to carry the team. Why force Reimer to play all the time? It’s only his first full season?!?
When you’re getting sub 900 goaltending year after year there’s no such thing as a “hot hand”
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Going with the “not ice cold” hand?
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by fair_n_hite_451 on Jan 4, 2012 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
“Are you Vesa Toskala?”
“No”
“You’re starting.”
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by clrkaitken on Jan 4, 2012 2:03 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
They also employ the Lebda test for all defenceman.
At least it's not Lebda.
by Nifty Mittens on Jan 4, 2012 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
Why force Reimer to play all the time? It’s only his first full season?!?
Oh no, his first full season??
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as in he didn’t start last season with the Leafs?
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 4, 2012 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
is it just me or is the free agent pool gonna be pretty weak?
by power-forward on Jan 4, 2012 2:13 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Nice link. I see that only 12 of those goalies played over 40 games, and those include such illustrious names as Steve Mason (career .904), Peter Budaj (.901), Jeff Deslauriers (.901 after 2 seasons) and Dan Ellis (.908 with the one standout year).
Also, of those 12, only 4 had a sv% > .910.
So I’m not sure what you were trying to illustrate with the link, but it shows me that (1) most goalies in their second year do not play 40 games, (2) of those that do, most do not play very well.
So what are we doing with Reimer again?
I get sad when I glance at the standings, then I get happy because I notice they’re only 3 pts out of 5th place, then I get nervous because the East is really close right now.
Being a Leafs fan makes me bipolar.
sportsclubstats still puts us in a likely playoff spot.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 4, 2012 3:06 PM EST up reply actions
Joe Colborne sets up Deschamps, by way of wheeling around the entire offensive zone. http://video.mapleleafs.nhl.com/videocenter/console?hcatid=802&id=147065
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and put him where exactly?
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 4, 2012 3:08 PM EST up reply actions
and neither of those players are getting traded till the deadline, so yeah, let him play
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 4, 2012 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
I just want Joe Colborne to set up Colton Orr for goal on the Marlies.
I’d get a a ColborneOrr
by adrockin on Jan 4, 2012 3:59 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
mmmm….nice
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by MapleLeafMole on Jan 4, 2012 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
errr…what happened to the Luca Caputi post? Comments closed already? I had interesting thoughts to post
"I will actually score as many times as Kulemin assists me."
-Mikhail Grabovski
Comments were closed to preserve the sanctity of GoddTill’s perfect comment that you should go rec if you haven’t yet.
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Save your comments until tomorrow and incorporate them into why the guy ranked #24 is better than Caputi
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will do
"I will actually score as many times as Kulemin assists me."
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by MapleLeafMole on Jan 4, 2012 3:43 PM EST up reply actions
I did. I did. It was perfect
"I will actually score as many times as Kulemin assists me."
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by MapleLeafMole on Jan 4, 2012 3:43 PM EST up reply actions
Would it really have been more interesting or insightful than what Godd Till said? The answer is no.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 4, 2012 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
All I wanted to say was luca has been freed
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someone photoshop Luca's face on here.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 4, 2012 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
haha it’s Leafer and Luca
"I will actually score as many times as Kulemin assists me."
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by MapleLeafMole on Jan 4, 2012 3:46 PM EST up reply actions
Leafer and Luca sitting in a tree, F-A-L-L-I-N-G.
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by SkinnyFish on Jan 4, 2012 3:47 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
I think leafer is like 2 comments away from snapping
"I will actually score as many times as Kulemin assists me."
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by MapleLeafMole on Jan 4, 2012 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
YOu dont know me very well dude.
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Yeah.
It’s always one comment away, but the one comment is extremely rare.
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one comment with about 30 hand gestures
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 4, 2012 6:45 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Lucky me
"I will actually score as many times as Kulemin assists me."
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by MapleLeafMole on Jan 4, 2012 5:02 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I didn't get to say this!
NA NA NA NA NA NA NA NA HEY HEY HEY GOODBYE!!!!!!!1
At least it's not Lebda.
by Nifty Mittens on Jan 4, 2012 3:47 PM EST up reply actions
I had a line to go with this photo
But it wouldn’t have topped what was said.
So, apparently I can now be followed.. but no stalking. @alsonamedphil
Don't know if this has been posted
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Two Marlies named to the AHL all-star team roster: Nazem Kadri and Joe Colborne. Seems likely Kadri will be with Leafs at that point though.
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Caption Contest
Hey, James, guess who I am, Bazooka Joe.
The Leafs are my Rushmore
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I also write things about stuff over at the Leafs Nation
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 4, 2012 4:26 PM EST reply actions
A ninja never reveals his secrets
by Goosemonster on Jan 4, 2012 4:29 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Gosh darn, Dion wore the same spandex suit as me today; get this thing off me!
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 4, 2012 4:32 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe if i hide under here the reporters won’t ask me any questions.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 4, 2012 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
FTFY
Heh Uh Hey, James, guess who I am, Heh Heh Bazooka Joe.
Cynically Sarcastic
Сертыфікаваны Grabbo Палюбоўнік
More captions?
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 4, 2012 4:46 PM EST reply actions
I’M STARTING!
NO I’M STARTING!
NO I AM!
NO I AM!
MOVE OUT OF THE WAY OR I’M TELLING ALLAIRE!
RON, JAMES WON’T LET ME PLAY GOALIE!
QUIET YOU TWO OR I’M CALLING UP SCRIVENS
in unison THAT’S NOT FAIR!
The First Certified Grabbo Lover
by SkinnyFish on Jan 4, 2012 4:47 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
This is wilson’s plan to improve our GA/save %?
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 4, 2012 4:47 PM EST up reply actions
Reimer, you stand in front and take shots. Gustavsson, practice doing exactly what he does.
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One of the less popular tweaks given consideration during the summer R&D Camp; synchronized goaltending.
Cynically Sarcastic
Сертыфікаваны Grabbo Палюбоўнік
by clrkaitken on Jan 4, 2012 4:49 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Jason Blake somehow managed to shoot the puck into both their chests.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 4, 2012 4:54 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
Reimer lets by .232% of shots.
Gustavsson then lets in .167% of those.
That’s a combined SHsv% of .961 and 1st in the league by a wide margin.
The First Certified Grabbo Lover
Or you could make them stack pads and stack them over one another to block out the whole net
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Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 4, 2012 5:31 PM EST up reply actions
No no no Reims..if you’re going to screen me, do it like our defesemen do. Stand directly in front of me
"I will actually score as many times as Kulemin assists me."
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by MapleLeafMole on Jan 4, 2012 5:04 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
See Gus, if I have a short-handed SV% of .768, and you have .833, if it has to go through both of us then our short-handed SV% as a team jumps to .961!
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Back to the original post – my younger brother calls me regularly with some crazy trade rumors. He only reads the papers and watches TV, so I can only assume he gets them from the Toronto Sun.
Todays phone call included a mega deal with Anaheim:
Ryan (or Getzlaf) and Hiller to Toronto for Kadri, Reimer and a 1st.
I do enjoy these phone calls, I must admit.
I wouldn’t do a swap that included Reimer for Hiller. Hiller’s had serious problems since he started suffering from a concussion/vertigo last year, and who knows if he’ll ever get back up to the level he used to play at?
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I agree. Who has a picture of Hiller with the “draw me like your french girls” caption?
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I would like to see the Leafs make a less “mega” deal if they could. I guess it comes down to what Burke and his team thinks the roster needs to get into the playoffs and be effective. Is it one deal for one player? Some would argue not, that Toronto could do well to improve in a number of areas.
I don’t envy the job the Leaf GM’s have to do as this team closes in on being a legitimate NHL threat. So many balls in the air. Can the role Armstrong fills be filled by Colby Armstrong if he’s hurt as often as he has been? Which Mike komisarek is coming back from injury exactly?
I think most would agree the Leafs could use some size up front, but is that on the 1st line or the 3rd or where? Bozak between Kessel and Lupul has worked out just fine. But in the playoffs? Would a 6’4 beast down the middle of that line help them fight off the tight checking that will become more vice-like in May?
A guy I’ve always liked is Ryan Malone. But he’s a winger. Should that matter?
never thought id say it but go habs go
by power-forward on Jan 4, 2012 7:47 PM EST via Android app reply actions
well atleast we know the boston buzz saw will take care of the devils, now hopefully the habs arent playing the old fail for nail game
by power-forward on Jan 4, 2012 7:58 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Fucking Devils. If they weren’t 8-1 in the SO, they’d be down with TB in the standings.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Jan 4, 2012 8:02 PM EST up reply actions
I look at the positive. If the Jets lose, it helps us. If the Habs lose, LOL HABS.
Glass half full.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Jan 4, 2012 8:10 PM EST up reply actions
Something I've noticed lately that I'd like your guys opinion on
It seems as though Burke has changed his philosophy from top 6/bottom 6 to top 9/bottom 3.
Before our 4th line was basically a Goon line with our 3rd line being a defensive/grinder line, then the top 2 scoring lines.
Now our 4th line is looking to become that defensive grinder line with the likes of Brown, Steckel, Crabb/Boyce, and our 3rd line is becoming more of a scoring/checking line.
Thoughts?
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agreed, not much use for the goon line in todays speedy nhl
by power-forward on Jan 4, 2012 7:59 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
and i like 3 scoring lines better, even our 4th has a little scoring threat
by power-forward on Jan 4, 2012 8:01 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Not too long ago Burke was on tsn radio talking about how the top 6/bottom 6 has turned into a top 8/bottom 4. He also mentioned how the enforcer role was diminishing. Seems he has adapted and your observations are correct.
guys like crabb, steckel, and especially brown can all grind out a goal
by power-forward on Jan 4, 2012 8:03 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
what was our 4th line pre burke?
by power-forward on Jan 4, 2012 8:04 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
May was a Burke signing. Before Burke, that was Hollweg.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Jan 4, 2012 8:09 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks for the input guys
I forget how bad our team lacked identity pre-Burke. Every line was just a random assortment of 3rd and 4th liners and Nik Antropov.
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That reminded me
Anyone remember when Fletcher first came in, and he straight up came out and said we only have 1 top six forward in Antropov.
Harsh dose of reality for us Leaf fans as well as Stajan, Ponikarovsky, Blake etc.
Bleeding Blue and White since '88
And he played in the Oilers system for a year or two in there IIRC.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Jan 4, 2012 8:21 PM EST up reply actions
may had 2 points that year?
by power-forward on Jan 4, 2012 8:10 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Burke traded for May for a conditional pick, which we never had to give up since we didn’t re-sign him.
Kulemin so hot right now, Kulemin.
by PassivelyTruculent on Jan 4, 2012 8:13 PM EST up reply actions
Brown/Boyce/Crabb was the 4th line I wanted the team to go with before they picked up Steckel. I actually like the look of the 4th line right now. It’s especially important when we’re playing back-to-back games, which we do a lot this season, because it means Wilson can divide the ice time up in a way that fatigues our top players. Boyce and Brown play 10 minutes a night. Crabb and Steckel play 12-13. Orr and Rosehill play about 5. Big difference when you’re trying not to burn your guys out.
Also, Crabb/Steckel/Boyce has been a good puck possession line. Even though they don’t score much, they get a lot of shifts where they hem the other team into the own end for a while, which is really what you want out of your depth players.
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Is a Kaberle goal versus the Habs, in a 7-0 rout, en route to a Bruins Cup, a more or less desirable event than a Kaberle goal for the Habs, when they won’t make the playoffs anyway?
As a neutralish observer, I vote for Kaberle’s goal tonight. Fuck the Bruins. Also, beating Winnipeg helps out everyone.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jan 4, 2012 9:06 PM EST reply actions
He’s Tomas Kaberle, defenseman for the Maple Leafs fucking habs
by ShahofToronto on Jan 4, 2012 9:23 PM EST up reply actions
Montreal just scored 3 quick goals…WInnipeg imploding. Boston up 5-1 too. Things are going our way tonight!
Wow 3 goals in 50 seconds, you weren't kidding.
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Lars Eller has 4 goals
I didn’t expect that
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by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jan 4, 2012 10:11 PM EST up reply actions
From the LA Times’ Helene Elliott:
just had chat with Ducks GM Bob Murray. says he has two untouchables—Teemu Selanne and Saku Koivu—but anyone else is in play. Says he’s not rebuilding and seeking draft picks. if he trades a core player, it would be for another core-type player. hasn’t conceded this season. Murray said he knows will be tough to make playoffs this season but wants to see team put something together and make a run. Murray also said that if core players want to stay w/Ducks they have to play that way.
Time to land Getzlaf, Burke.
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For Kessel? Don’t think that would sit too well with fans of either team.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jan 4, 2012 10:17 PM EST up reply actions
I’d be willing to trade anyone other than Kessel or Phaneuf to land Getzlaf.
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by Draglikepull on Jan 4, 2012 10:19 PM EST up reply actions
So your idea of a core player that Murray would trade Getzlaf for would be …. Lupul?
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jan 4, 2012 10:21 PM EST up reply actions
I think Murray is blowing smoke. He’s not going to get a deal of one elite player for one elite player. Keep in mind Burke said last year the Leafs weren’t trading for picks and prospects either, but they did. But Murray could get a package centred around a guy like Schenn or Kadri.
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by Draglikepull on Jan 4, 2012 10:25 PM EST up reply actions
Murray could get several roster players who can contribute right now, plus probably Colborne
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I hope YouTube comes down to film this.
Orr > Getzlaf
I shot a moose once, in upstate New York.
by not norm ullman on Jan 4, 2012 11:05 PM EST up reply actions
UNFAIR
Orr > Getzlaf + Ryan
At least it's not Lebda.
by Nifty Mittens on Jan 4, 2012 11:07 PM EST up reply actions
Man Boston are just scary.
2 goalies with a .940+ save percentage and under 2 GAA plus the most Goals For in the Eastern Conference. They could easily pull a repeat this year.
Bleeding Blue and White since '88
yea, they are stacked for a while now………..Rask will smoothly slide into Thomas’ spot once he retires and their offence is locked up with Seguin probably heading up a damn good orward group for the next while………….PC did a tremendous job with that team
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lets not forget that he tried to trade Thomas at one point. on the one hand, that could have worked out horribly, since they needed him to win the cup last year
on the other hand, they could have had even more assets
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 5, 2012 12:20 AM EST up reply actions
Oh yea, but IIRC, they were were just trying to unload him for anything to rid the contract but no one bit……..worked out in the best possible way for them
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FYI
Joe colbourne and kadri are going to be in the AHL all star game.
Great?
At least it's not Lebda.
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by pho king awesome on Jan 4, 2012 11:58 PM EST up reply actions
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