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Fighters Have Worn Out Their Welcome

Burke Decries End of the NHL Fighter On Day He Demotes Colton Orr - James Mirtle at the Globe and Mail

"I do wonder where our game is going," Burke said. "I know the Greenpeace folks will be happy with this, but I wonder where we're going when Brendan Shanahan's got six hearings every two days.

You see the garbage that happened in here the other night [with Steve Downie going after Dion Phaneuf] and I wonder about the accountability in our game. I wonder where we're going with it. That's the only lament I have on this. The fear that if we don't have guys looking after each other then the rats will take this game over. That's my fear.

I see guys that run around and start stuff and won't back it up and it makes me sick to my stomach."

This got me thinking, are fighters integral to the game of hockey historically? Let's have an exercise shall we. Think of a fighter, or rough and tumble team prior to the Broad Street Bullies. Go on, I'll wait. Gordie Howe you say? Only 21 fights in 5 decades. Still waiting. You can't can you? That's because before the mid-70s there was no such thing as the hockey enforcer. Now that's not to say there weren't players who fought, but those players could also, you know, play hockey. (See the aforementioned Mr. Hockey)

Fast forward to today's NHL. For every meat head like Zenon Konopka, there is a Milan Lucic. For every Matt Carkner, there is a Kevin Bieksa. Players who can play hockey and throw down the gloves when the situations calls for it. Before too long, those meatheads will be out of the NHL (because they don't possess NHL caliber hockey skills) and the NHL will return to the era of players fighting when emotions run wild, not when they just happen to be on the ice at the same time during their five minutes a night. Burke laments the "loss" of the fighter, but in reality the fighter was never here. He was just a fad lingering from the 70s and 80s like your great aunt's shag carpeting or wood paneling. One day they'll all be gone and we'll never miss them.

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If Burke wants fighters, he’s the GM, he can sign all the fighters he wants, and if he really wants them on the ice, well then be the GM/Coach and play them.

He has all the power to keep Orr on his team, on his ice, but he chose not to.

If he is such an integral part of the game, why send him down?

I wonder if the salary cap helped speed up the diminished role of the enforcer. Pre-Cap, the Leafs paying Colton Orr $1 million to play 5 games was nothing, but now it’s $1 million less cap room.

I like Burke/Wilson trolling the media on twitter, but damn was yesterdays press conference a waste of time. you get a lot of e-mails? issue a press release and save us the speeches.

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by elseldo on Jan 6, 2012 7:10 AM EST reply actions  

I think you missed the point

His point was not that fighting is an integral part of the game, but people aren’t keeping fighters so he won’t either.

His point was that the league has come to a point where fighters are no longer an integral part of the game, and it just makes him sad that he has to send a guy like Orr down, because he feels bad that his role is no longer viewed is important in the new NHL.

Burke clearly understands that the tide has turned for enforcers in the game, but he worries what that means for protecting guys on the ice and preventing dickweeds like carcillo and steve downie from running their mouths or throwing dirty hits (carcillo in particular) without fear of on-ice repercussions. Shanahan can’t suspend morons like downie for being a pussy, and with fighters being ushered out, there’s nothing to stop these “rats” from starting shit and then pussying away when a response is given.

He knows enforcers have lost their role, hence he waived Orr. He’s just not happy he had to do it.

by LeftNutForAStarCenter on Jan 6, 2012 10:31 AM EST up reply actions  

should state

I don’t really care for enforcers being on this team anyway to be honest. There’s always going to be shiteaters like downie, carcillo, avery, etc. who don’t back their shit up and act like dicks on the ice. I’d still rather ice a team with skilled, useful players than waste a roster spot on an Orr or a Rosehill.

by LeftNutForAStarCenter on Jan 6, 2012 10:33 AM EST up reply actions  

You guys are lucky, though, that you don’t even need all 23 roster spots (when the Marlies and Leafs are on homestands), and that you can afford guys like Orr in the minors, in case they do become necessary for a game.

by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jan 6, 2012 10:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, if only that lucky situation turned into more W’s…. Le sigh.

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by Wan Ihite on Jan 6, 2012 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Damn the Leafs for having a large fan base and a lot of money. Us bastards.

by Goosemonster on Jan 6, 2012 2:30 PM EST up reply actions  

wait, are you saying that the fan support allows Toronto more roster flexibility? Because Cox would love to have a word with you.

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by Chuck Diesel on Jan 6, 2012 5:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Burke clearly understands that the tide has turned for enforcers in the game, but he worries what that means for protecting guys on the ice and preventing dickweeds like carcillo and steve downie from running their mouths or throwing dirty hits (carcillo in particular) without fear of on-ice repercussions.

The Oilers had plenty of meat on the ice when Carcillo threw his dirty hit. Didn’t make Carcillo think twice. Enforcers aren’t a deterrent to stupidity.

It’s a shame the NHL doesn’t have a transparent, accountable and consistent discipline process. That would be the best deterrent to getting the “rats” out of the game.

by mf37 on Jan 6, 2012 11:33 AM EST up reply actions  

You don’t want the rats out of the game – people need a bad guy to villify and hate.

You want to get the cheapshot artists out of the game – guys who play recklessly and appear not to care if they hurt people.

There is a big difference. Clutterbuck is a pest / rat. Carcillo is an ass.

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by fair_n_hite_451 on Jan 6, 2012 11:35 AM EST up reply actions  

One man’s rat is another man’s cheap shot artist.

by mf37 on Jan 6, 2012 11:41 AM EST up reply actions  

I hated Doug Gilmour with the Blues. He was a total prick. Good thing he was so perfect here….

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by 1967ers on Jan 6, 2012 11:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Wonder how many guys we could say that about. It’s rare that hated players aren’t embraced when they move to your favourite team.

Can’t believe I’ve cheered for the likes of Al Secord…

by mf37 on Jan 6, 2012 12:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Al Secord was definitely another I had to learn to cheer for.

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by 1967ers on Jan 6, 2012 12:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Ryan Hollweg.

Professional cusser causer.

by T is for Truculence on Jan 6, 2012 1:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I couldn’t learn to cheer for Bryan Marchment when he became a Leaf.

by Peter Lynn on Jan 6, 2012 1:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I booed the shit out of that guy and then found out he was like a 4th cousin or some nonsense and I looked at the rest of my family and went “Is that supposed to change the fact that he’s an asshole?”

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by Ghostsof on Jan 6, 2012 1:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Marchment and Hollweg are great examples of guys who were never really embraced by Leafs fans.

by mf37 on Jan 6, 2012 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Terrible player costing rebuilding team a draft pick
+ Terrible player costing team a game through sheer stupidity
= Fans turning on player 5 games into his career with said team.

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by clrkaitken on Jan 6, 2012 4:17 PM EST up reply actions  

IDK

No, you do want the rats out of the game. It’s easy to hate anyone if they are on a different team. Just last week Kessel and Phaneuf got booed because they wore the ‘wrong’ jersey. Also, the hate based off of intense playoff rivalries is better, more emotionally involved than the hate for a little puke you play four time a year.

Also, maybe it’s just me, but rats and cheapshot artists are identical in my book.

by MrSmithy on Jan 6, 2012 11:48 AM EST up reply actions  

I believe in the context in which Burke was talking, rat = cheapshot artist.

But in the context of a rat being a player whose job is to get under the opponent’s skin, those two aren’t necessarily the same. You can piss of the opponent without throwing cheapshots. Look at Downie on Tuesday.

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by clrkaitken on Jan 6, 2012 11:50 AM EST up reply actions  

downie flat out punched Phaneuf in the face as he skated by him, that was a cheap shot, not a cooke flying elbow, but still a cheap shot

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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 6, 2012 11:51 AM EST up reply actions  

to me, a rat is an shit talker and shit talker, they don’t have to be dirty to be effective (though many are)
there is a big gap between guys like Tucker, who could write a book on “borderline” hits and plays and guys like Cooke who are so far past the line that they could piss on Pluto

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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 6, 2012 11:50 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

to be fair to cooke though, this season he really hasn’t been that bad.

Don’t be mistaken though, I hate the guy (from a sports perspective) but it seems as though he’s made an honest effort to control his game.

“Carbomb” is a fuckin tool though.

by JohnerstonRex on Jan 6, 2012 12:05 PM EST up reply actions  

and charlie manson hasn’t killed anyone lately either

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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 6, 2012 3:06 PM EST up reply actions  

thanks, that is TOTALLY what I was going for

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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 6, 2012 3:26 PM EST up reply actions  

present non-behaviour does not make up for past terrible behaviour

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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 6, 2012 4:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I never claimed it did.

by JohnerstonRex on Jan 6, 2012 4:16 PM EST up reply actions  

The guys definitely a POS, but even the worst people can be reformed if they want to be.

by JohnerstonRex on Jan 6, 2012 4:19 PM EST up reply actions  

half a season proves nothing

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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 6, 2012 4:27 PM EST up reply actions  

neither does arguing for the sake of argument.

He stated at the start of the season that he’d worked on reforming himself, and for the first half of this season, it seems as though he has.

He has the rest of this season and the rest of his career to relapse into reckless hits and flying elbows. Only time will tell to see if that happens.

by JohnerstonRex on Jan 6, 2012 4:38 PM EST up reply actions  

no, but its slightly better than continued terrible behaviour.

by Goosemonster on Jan 6, 2012 4:20 PM EST up reply actions  

yet there were times where Darcy Tucker very clearly crossed the line.

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by birky on Jan 6, 2012 12:16 PM EST up reply actions  

And by “crossed the line” you mean “leaped over the boards to fight the other team”. And anyone who does that might be a rat, but is at least one who backs up his words and actions.

by Peter Lynn on Jan 6, 2012 1:11 PM EST up reply actions  

And you could hardly call it a cheapshot, considering they were ylling at each other when it was happening.

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by AM18 on Jan 6, 2012 6:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t think the discipline process will be consistent until there’s a sort of tribunal handed out suspensions and fines. I want Shanny, a referee rep, and a guy Colin Campbell’s spot to make the decisions.

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by SkinnyFish on Jan 6, 2012 11:39 AM EST up reply actions  

I’d go one step further and mirror what the NFL does with officiating.

Be nice to see both elements of the discipline process – officials and players – held to higher, transparent, standards.

by mf37 on Jan 6, 2012 11:41 AM EST up reply actions  

True that, though from the Campbell emails they are watching the performance of refs; hopefully without his bias though.

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by SkinnyFish on Jan 6, 2012 11:43 AM EST up reply actions  

No kidding. Just wish the NHL would publicly acknowledge on-going errors and the steps they are taking to correct them.

by mf37 on Jan 6, 2012 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

The next time the NHL fires or even disciplines a ref for incompetence will be the first time

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by T is for Truculence on Jan 6, 2012 11:50 AM EST up reply actions  

No – they do disappear, just quietly and without explanation.

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by 1967ers on Jan 6, 2012 11:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Except that troublemaker Dean Warren. Fucker just couldn’t keep his mouth shut, could he

by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jan 6, 2012 11:55 AM EST up reply actions  

and have the system be open and transparent

by Chi-town leafs on Jan 6, 2012 11:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Since Shanahan technically works for the league, I’d replace Campbell’s spot with a representative of the NHLPA.

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by clrkaitken on Jan 6, 2012 11:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Shanny: Suspend
Ref: Suspend
NHLPA: HOW DARE YOU WANT TO SUSPEND THIS PLAYER!!!!!

The NHLPA rep would be inherently biased.

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by SkinnyFish on Jan 6, 2012 11:43 AM EST up reply actions  

I think the first step should be an impartial appeals process. To have the Commissioner in that role is inexcusable.

by mf37 on Jan 6, 2012 11:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Yup. No way Bettman is going to go against the word of people he hand picked for their positions.

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by SkinnyFish on Jan 6, 2012 11:56 AM EST up reply actions  

I have to wonder how much of that comment about Shanahan’s workload was a convenient deflection. We’re probably not far enough into the Shanahan regime to arrive at a roster-modifyingly confident verdict yet, but if one were to make a declaration on the Shanahan record so far, it would have to be that nothing significant has changed, wouldn’t it? I mean, he’s heard how many cases now? Apart from Wisniewski, would any have been out of place under Campbell?

Anyway, whether as the decor of a rec room, or the respective interior and exterior of a station wagon, shag carpeting and wood paneling are great.

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by puckurgently on Jan 6, 2012 7:22 AM EST reply actions  

The Broad Street Bullies didn’t have a goon in the modern sense of the word, either. Even Dave Schultz hit for 20 goals once.

They were just the most extreme version of a trend that had gone on for a bit. The “Big Bad Bruins” were one of the first teams that would swarm you for going after the wrong person (Orr) and Philly themselves went tough because St. Louis kept beating the tar out of them. Prior to that, Lou Fontinato and Howie Young were pretty crazy and guys like Reggie Fleming were pests that would go.

But yes, generally the people who fought could also play. Rosters were too small to allow for anyone that one-dimensional. The pure goon is pretty much a late-80s early 90s creation. Even Semenko could play some at the start. Tiger certainly could.

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by 1967ers on Jan 6, 2012 8:13 AM EST reply actions  

Plus, Gordie rarely fought because after he ripped Fontinato apart (1959, I think), everyone with an ounce of sense left him alone. Even reigning WHA crazy person Steve Durbano knew better despite being 20 years younger;

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by 1967ers on Jan 6, 2012 8:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Jim Dorey was no slouch, but in the days of dressing 10 forwards, he was kind of a specialist.

by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jan 6, 2012 8:32 AM EST up reply actions  

err, nevermind. He played the blueline.

by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jan 6, 2012 8:34 AM EST up reply actions  

If you wanted guys who could fight, there were a ton and always have been. I’m just trying to think of people noted for that and that alone pre-expansion. Teams always wanted it. There were all kinds of minor-league maulers who’d get a look here and there, but they wouldn’t stick because they couldn’t keep up.

A lot of guys who fought a lot were stars.

Before John Ferguson came along, do you know who held every significant penalty minute record for Montreal?

Jean Beliveau. He spent a season earning the space he’d enjoy for the rest of his career.

Jimmy Orlando was pretty much a straight fighter. War years, though.

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by 1967ers on Jan 6, 2012 8:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, people go on and on about how Beliveau was the quiet, classy flipside to the Rocket’s fiery brashness, but Beliveau racked up the PiMs

by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jan 6, 2012 8:51 AM EST up reply actions  

He had this line in an interview once: “In my first two seasons, I took. In my third season, I gave back.” That and then some. :)

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by 1967ers on Jan 6, 2012 8:54 AM EST up reply actions  

John Ferguson Senior, now, there’s a fighter. But he’d still hit for 20 goals.

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by 1967ers on Jan 6, 2012 8:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Guy had a face that only Tim Hunter’s mother could love.

by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jan 6, 2012 8:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Ever be arguing someone and say “I’m gonna hit you so hard your kids are gonna feel it?”

I think John Ferguson is proof of that statement being factual. He was hit so hard that it gave his unborn child multiple concussions

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by leafer1984 on Jan 6, 2012 9:03 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

The kid can scout with the best of them, but money management? Not his strong suit. He’s probably the guy who said, “Let’s give Daigle a big payday to ensure his happiness”.

by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jan 6, 2012 9:08 AM EST up reply actions  

I guess you CAN concuss a sperm.

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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jan 6, 2012 3:17 PM EST up reply actions  

The craziest player I ever remember watching was a guy named Randy Holt. He’d fight the anthem singer.

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by 1967ers on Jan 6, 2012 8:53 AM EST up reply actions  

There’s a name I haven’t heard in 30 years. That 1983 Capitals team looks pretty good on paper.

by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jan 6, 2012 8:55 AM EST up reply actions  

They were pretty good. They were just stuck in the wrong division.

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by 1967ers on Jan 6, 2012 8:56 AM EST up reply actions  

o/t

I left home at a young age and my brother moved into my room and took custody of my hockey cards. In the early 90s, he sold high on most of my best pieces (like 6 of my 9 rookie Gretzkys), and that was the last time I thought about what I had given up.

For Xmas this year, he handed me a big box full of whatever was left over, and I’m still slowly sifting through them, but my love for Denis Maruk had never waned over the years.

by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jan 6, 2012 9:04 AM EST up reply actions  

In the early 90s, he sold high on most of my best pieces (like 6 of my 9 rookie Gretzkys)

did you atleast get any of the money?

my mom & her brother fought over hockey cards. i have her collection now, and like to poke the bear by talking about “my” card collection.

by elseldo on Jan 6, 2012 9:08 AM EST up reply actions  

He swears he didn’t get that much, and that our uncle ripped him off, but at the time, he was a kid with no job and I was more pissed about losing the cards than the money, but no, he never offered me a cut. Bastard.

by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jan 6, 2012 9:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Late 80s, I had $20 to spend at a shop and a choice between two $12 cards – one was a perfect Gretzky RC, the other was a kind of beat up 1955 Maurice Richard. I took the Rocket because I already had a couple Gretzkys.

The Rocket wasn’t a loss, but sure wasn’t a win like that Gretz.

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by 1967ers on Jan 6, 2012 9:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Lucky for me my first big year in hockey was ‘80-81. I lived in Calgary, so I’d have dumped all my Gretzky RCs or put them in bike spokes. :)

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by 1967ers on Jan 6, 2012 9:11 AM EST up reply actions  

I’m down to three half-decent Gretzkys now, but I think I started out with three near-mints, three half-decents, one covered in bicycle oil, and two with drawn on moustaches.

At one point, the bluebook was probably $900 on the mint ones and maybe $5 on the Movemeber Gretzkys.

by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jan 6, 2012 9:17 AM EST up reply actions  

$5 is still a large increase in value.

by elseldo on Jan 6, 2012 9:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Then the bubble burst and now the near-mints are probably down to little more than that.

by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jan 6, 2012 9:20 AM EST up reply actions  

It hasn’t really. High-end Gretzkys still command major bucks. The cards everyone went goofy for in the 90s (Lindros!) now sell for pennies on the dollar, but anything pre-1989 is holding strong.

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by 1967ers on Jan 6, 2012 9:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Nearmint raw would probably draw $500+ and graded (particularly if it’s an 8 rather than a 7) is still near that $900 figure.

With a bash or two, maybe $150. There are a ton of fakes out there that are killing the raw market.

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by 1967ers on Jan 6, 2012 9:27 AM EST up reply actions  

So you’re saying that my Xmas gift is actually worth money? Here I thought my brother had cheaped out and given me crap that actually already belonged to me anyway.

I have three mounted in plastic, though more flawed than the ones he sold 20 years ago. I use the term nearmint as a layman – even my best ones were probably never that good.

He also threw in his own stuff, like about 3 or 4 unopened packs of 1990 Upper Deck. I’d have opened them by now if I could feel a rock-hard piece of gum. What do you think a deck of 12 cards from that year is worth? Keep in mind, they are like the Cunneyworth editions, whose packages read edition anglaise

by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jan 6, 2012 9:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Sigh

If only I hadn’t defaced so many cards to make everyone look like Dennis Maruk. My passion continued into the next century, though my artistic skill never advanced, as evidenced by my three year old entry into one of Wyshynski’s better reader contests.

by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jan 6, 2012 9:45 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Ha! Wish I’d seen that contest. Nice job!

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by 1967ers on Jan 6, 2012 9:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Of course, that`s precisely why they`re worth something. Most kids did exactly what you did. That`s why mint ones are hard to find.

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by 1967ers on Jan 6, 2012 10:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Looking through my box now, I can’t get over how many moustaches I drew. I was like that kid from Superbad, who couldn;t stop drawing pictures of dicks.

by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jan 6, 2012 10:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Man that scene was priceless.

by TheCeej on Jan 6, 2012 10:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Speaking of collectibles, the montage during the closing credits features about three dozen drawings, which have got to be worth at least as much as two dozens Monets.

by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jan 6, 2012 10:18 AM EST up reply actions  

You know how many foods are shaped like dicks? The best kinds!

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Dicks? Like a man dick?

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by Shield on Jan 6, 2012 11:50 AM EST up reply actions  

After 1990, it’s for the bike spokes. Prior to 1990, there’s something there. There was just so much made 1990-95 that any value is just sentimental. RCs of Sundin, Jagr et al from that era are lucky to get a dollar. Entire sets might draw $20, but it’s not easy to find a bidder.

Commons aren’t really worth that much until you get back to the late 60s or so. In the early 70s, NM is a couple bucks. From the 80s, they need to be pretty much perfect.

It’s all about the stars and RCs – Gretzky, Mario, Roy. The first year cards are big, but even the second and third can draw $40 (more for Wayne because he’s older).

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by 1967ers on Jan 6, 2012 9:45 AM EST up reply actions  

yeah once cards became an “investment” anything made in that era is worth as much as when it was bought.

by elseldo on Jan 6, 2012 9:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Mostly far, far less. Even the expensive stuff of today seems to me to be a complete waste. Most things you buy today will be 50% off in two years.

The old stuff isn`t appreciating a lot, but it`s holding steady.

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by 1967ers on Jan 6, 2012 9:57 AM EST up reply actions  

yeah i see collectibles, and I can only think of them as decoration, not something to flip. I made a mistake doing that once with a signed Cogliano jersey when he was a rookie.

by elseldo on Jan 6, 2012 10:04 AM EST up reply actions  

That`s the best way to look at it. Something neat to have that might eventually be worth some portion of what you paid to get it. The value is in the enjoyment.

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by 1967ers on Jan 6, 2012 10:06 AM EST up reply actions  

I know old people talk about when you could buy stuff for a nickel, and that nickels had pictures of bees on them, but I honestly don’t recall ever paying much more than a quarter for a pack of cards.

Nowadays, they sell for what? Five bucks? Ten? And that’s for, like, a half-dozen cards and no crappy gum.

If only I had remained in house leagues, when my reward for a goal was two packs and maybe one pack per assist. By the time I hit Peewee A or AA, I had devolved into a 4th-liner. Even with a schedule twice as long, I still scored less than half the points as previously.

by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jan 6, 2012 10:12 AM EST up reply actions  

cards aren’t 5 a pack yet i don’t think

by elseldo on Jan 6, 2012 10:13 AM EST up reply actions  

What do they give you now, 7 cards and a piece of candycane tape from Kessel’s stick?

by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jan 6, 2012 10:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh, you mean $5.

Whatever, get off my lawn.

by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jan 6, 2012 10:16 AM EST up reply actions  

5 cards with the chance at an insert, no candy

by elseldo on Jan 6, 2012 10:16 AM EST up reply actions  

I just remembered I have another cool toy from the 70s – the four-inch tall Stanley Cup that came with my table hockey game (long gone).

You can read the team names and years, going all the way back to the turn of the century, though it’s too small for player names.

Here’s a panel featuring:

1946-47 Toronto Maple Leafs
1947-48 Toronto Maple Leafs
1948-49 Toronto Maple Leafs
1949-50 Detroit R. Wings
1950-51 Toronto Maple Leafs

by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jan 6, 2012 10:27 AM EST up reply actions  

The newest team is the 76 Flyers, but I swear, I’m not that old.

by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jan 6, 2012 10:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Here’s the 1907 Kenora Thistles.

Wasn’t there another team from that town that had mounted a challenge, only back when the town had a much cooler name?

What was that name again? Sounds like Hogtown …

by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jan 6, 2012 10:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Rat Portage – now Kenora.

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by 1967ers on Jan 6, 2012 11:42 AM EST up reply actions  

The crazy stupid things like `the Cup`are in the $250-$300 range per pack. Good luck ever seeing that again.

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by 1967ers on Jan 6, 2012 10:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Now, that pack comes specially packed in its own tin, with rubies in place of styrofoam peanuts, and you can pull a DNA sample of Bobby Orr and pizza hand-delivered by Sidney Crosby, but it`s still isane.

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by 1967ers on Jan 6, 2012 10:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Crazy. Reminds me that I just watched an episode of 30 Rock last night where Jack eats ice cream made of gold.

by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jan 6, 2012 10:26 AM EST up reply actions  

Sundin RC
RCs of Sundin, Jagr et al from that era are lucky to get a dollar.

Ahhh well. This is the pride and joy of my tiny collection. I don’t really care what it’s worth, it’s got more sentimental value than anything for all the memories of my childhood.

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by CanadianMaple09 on Jan 6, 2012 11:29 AM EST up reply actions  

oooo graded and anything. Faaaancy.

by elseldo on Jan 6, 2012 11:30 AM EST up reply actions  

the bubble will fill in again.

i was on the verge of selling my signed LA Kings stick, but no one was buying, I’m happy they weren’t.

by elseldo on Jan 6, 2012 9:25 AM EST up reply actions  

I wish I had anything game-used, or even full sized.

All I have is a wooden mini-stick, with the lithographed(?) signatures of 30 members of the 1977 Habs.

by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jan 6, 2012 9:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Everyone hit 20 goals in the 70s though. Schultz was a goon.

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by SkinnyFish on Jan 6, 2012 9:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Not that much. He scored more than Saleski, slightly less that Kelly.

The thing was, all those guys (Saleski, Schultz, Kelly, Dupont, even Dornhoefer to an extent) took a regular shift. None were hidden on the bench. You couldn’t get 472 minutes in the box if you weren’t playing. That’s the real difference. In a playoff game in OT, Dave Schultz took a regular shift.

A modern goon? Not so much.

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by 1967ers on Jan 6, 2012 9:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Everyone scored 20 goals in the 80s.

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by 1967ers on Jan 6, 2012 9:51 AM EST up reply actions  

It is true, though, that after he scored 20, Fred Shero cut his ice time so he wouldn`t get thinking he could play too much. He still had a job to do.

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by 1967ers on Jan 6, 2012 9:56 AM EST up reply actions  

The other part of his comment was the emergence of guys like Downie who would cause ruckus (questionable hit, chirping, face washing etc) and then not back his actions. Is that type a player a “new” addition to the game much like the enforcer or is it someone who always existed?

by jeffgm on Jan 6, 2012 10:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Certainly that player goes back to Ken Linseman (likely much farther), so it’s not all that recent.

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by fair_n_hite_451 on Jan 6, 2012 10:41 AM EST up reply actions  

dammit

This space for rant...

by fair_n_hite_451 on Jan 6, 2012 11:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Kenny Linesman was the prototype for Burke’s idea of a rat, but you could argue that when you weren’t laughing at his antics, you were being frustrated and goaded by guys like Eddie Shack.

by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jan 6, 2012 10:41 AM EST up reply actions  

But Shack would even take on Ferguson. He never hid. Same with a Reggie Fleming.

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by 1967ers on Jan 6, 2012 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

How often has Armstrong fought to back up his antics?

Funny how rats are usually only found on other teams.

by mf37 on Jan 6, 2012 11:36 AM EST up reply actions  

I dont think any disagrees that Army is one.
During the game against Tbay I openly said I would LOVE if Burke traded for DOwnie.

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by leafer1984 on Jan 6, 2012 11:38 AM EST up reply actions  

That’s my point.

Burke laments that the rats might be taking over, yet many of us (most?) would like a few more rats on the club.

by mf37 on Jan 6, 2012 11:43 AM EST up reply actions  

How many of us remember Tucker and break into a huge smile? Why? No one remembers the off wing one timer on the PP or the cross crease tap in. Most remember crazy eyes.

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by leafer1984 on Jan 6, 2012 11:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Tucker? Booooooooooooooooooooooooo.

Boo this man.

by mf37 on Jan 6, 2012 11:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh stop it.

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by leafer1984 on Jan 6, 2012 11:47 AM EST up reply actions  

I’ll stop it when Tucker’s cap hit is off the books. That’s like 2023 or something, right?

by mf37 on Jan 6, 2012 11:50 AM EST up reply actions  

I think the Avs got out from under it already.

by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jan 6, 2012 11:51 AM EST up reply actions  

2 more years

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by SkinnyFish on Jan 6, 2012 11:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Next year is the last.

So, apparently I can now be followed.. but no stalking. @alsonamedphil

by Learn2Leaf on Jan 6, 2012 11:51 AM EST up reply actions  

I personally think they should bring him out of retirement for a few games to earn that million.

So, apparently I can now be followed.. but no stalking. @alsonamedphil

by Learn2Leaf on Jan 6, 2012 11:52 AM EST up reply actions  

and I hate myself for redundantly stating “I personally…”

So, apparently I can now be followed.. but no stalking. @alsonamedphil

by Learn2Leaf on Jan 6, 2012 11:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Personally, I do. I prefer to separate the two with a comma.

by Goosemonster on Jan 6, 2012 12:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Personally, I don’t see why it’s such a big deal. But that’s just my personal opinion.

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by CanadianMaple09 on Jan 6, 2012 12:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I feel, personally, that you employed the term “personally” in far too many instances in those sentences. Indeed, I would suggest on a more personal level that you cross the line between “professional” and “personal” replies.

by Goosemonster on Jan 6, 2012 12:19 PM EST up reply actions  

In my personal opinion, personally, you’re all wrong. But that’s just me.

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by FiftyMissionCap on Jan 6, 2012 3:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Well I, unpersonally, do.

by MrSmithy on Jan 6, 2012 12:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh, it has become a rather standard convention that few would rail against when confronted with, but when you begin an opinion statement with “I”, you are already indicating that it is a “personal” situation, since “I” is yourself and, personally, redundancy is irksome.

So, apparently I can now be followed.. but no stalking. @alsonamedphil

by Learn2Leaf on Jan 6, 2012 12:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I remember Tucker getting checked into the boards twice in one playoff game and two black eyes from it. Called him The Raccoon the rest of the series.

He was a pretty decent irritant though and I seemed to remember a decent hockey player beyond the hits and dirty plays.

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by Learn2Leaf on Jan 6, 2012 11:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Two compounding errors:

1. JFJ not trading him at the deadline when his value was at its peak.
2. JFJ giving him a NMC

by mf37 on Jan 6, 2012 12:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m with above. Rat =/= Irritant. As Burke refers to him, he means the guys who take cheap shots. Eaves punching Armstrong in the face? Rat move. Getting under opponents skin? There’s nothing wrong with that if you’re still in the legal zone.

by Goosemonster on Jan 6, 2012 12:11 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s defining the “legal zone” that’s the issue.

I’d bet more often than not when the player is in another team’s jersey, it’s illegal. When they’re wearing the blue and white, it would somehow fall within that magical legal zone.

by mf37 on Jan 6, 2012 12:13 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t think that’s difficult at all.

Chirping and stuff like that is ok. Minor penalties are probably ok.

Elbowing a guy in the head or sucker punching is not.

Done.

by Chi-town leafs on Jan 6, 2012 12:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Here’s a challenge. During the next Leafs game, whenever the Leafs get a penalty open a twitter feed and do a search for Leafs.

90% of the entries will claim it’s a bad call, no matter what the call is.

If fans can’t agree on what’s a minor penalty, how the heck can anyone expect them to define and agree on what the “legal zone” is for agitating.

by mf37 on Jan 6, 2012 12:22 PM EST up reply actions  

You’re essentially arguing that because there are hyperbolic Leaf fans out there who think every call is horrible, it’s impossible to define what is legal for a pest-like player to do?

As I said above, I’d say generally anything that may constitute a minor penalty is probably ok, anything that’s a major is definitely not ok.

by Chi-town leafs on Jan 6, 2012 12:31 PM EST up reply actions  

No, I’m saying it’s completely subjective and the interpretation of it will be extremely biased based on the jersey the player in question is wearing.

by mf37 on Jan 6, 2012 12:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Well ya

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by leafer1984 on Jan 6, 2012 12:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Tucker definitely crossed the legal line a few times, but he wasn’t a professional cheap shot artist.

by Goosemonster on Jan 6, 2012 12:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed. He would just challenge entire benches at a time. Also, though I hate to admit it, he had some very nice dives in his time.

by MrSmithy on Jan 6, 2012 12:22 PM EST up reply actions  

For every meathead like Konopka, there is a Steckel, Malhotra and Gaustad (the top-4 faceoff men last year). And for every Carkner, there is a stats equal like Keith Aulie.

Thennnnn, there are the guys with zero hockey skills.

But yeah, imagine how good the league would be if there actually was a Lucic for every Sens 4th-liner, and a Bieksa for every Sens 7th defenseman. Alas, someone has to round out the Top-600.

by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jan 6, 2012 8:28 AM EST reply actions  

It is kind of circular in that many of those players found room on rosters because with 30 teams, you gotta fill the roster out somehow. But now with the salary cap, it just ain’t cost-effective anymore. Burke’s one of the last to realize this

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by T is for Truculence on Jan 6, 2012 8:35 AM EST up reply actions  

At least Colton Orr was not handed Boogaard money. There are probably at least 5 teams who gave more ice time to goons than the Leafs over the past two seasons. Maybe ten or more, if you look at this year alone.

This press conference could have been held in October, when the Leafs stopped dressing Orr every day.

by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jan 6, 2012 8:39 AM EST up reply actions  

There was that one year Orr played all 82 games. I think it took the coaching staff a little while to realize his first name wasn’t Bobby

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by T is for Truculence on Jan 6, 2012 9:07 AM EST up reply actions  

To be fair, that was the 2009-10 Leafs. They were really that terrible.

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by FiftyMissionCap on Jan 6, 2012 3:56 PM EST up reply actions  

We really, really, really, were that terrible.

by Goosemonster on Jan 6, 2012 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

What did Burke mean about Greenpeace? Something about how the rat population was now free to live their lives without the fear of extermination, or something?

Good line, but he should have used PETA in stead.

by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jan 6, 2012 8:45 AM EST reply actions  

I think you should probably focus on the peace part more

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by leafer1984 on Jan 6, 2012 8:48 AM EST up reply actions  

I thought the line was in reference to the rats.

by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jan 6, 2012 8:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Greenpeace – bleeding hearts – people who want to “sissify” the game

by elseldo on Jan 6, 2012 8:50 AM EST up reply actions  

This was my interpretation.

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by Shield on Jan 6, 2012 8:52 AM EST up reply actions  

The rhetoric wasn’t exactly lights out.

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by The Bag on Jan 6, 2012 8:53 AM EST up reply actions  

it came off to me as burke was having a bad day and wanted to vent.

by elseldo on Jan 6, 2012 8:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Pretty frickin awesome that he can vent in a forum like that whenever he wants.

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by Shield on Jan 6, 2012 8:56 AM EST up reply actions  

That’s why we come here….. :)

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by 1967ers on Jan 6, 2012 8:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Personally, I come here so I don’t get bored in class.

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by Shield on Jan 6, 2012 8:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Here’s hoping that Lupul gets named to the ASG, but I warned you guys that wasting ballots on Kessel and Heatley was pointless – Heater was never going to make it and Kessel was never going to miss.

But Lupul deserves a spot which is now not guaranteed.

by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jan 6, 2012 8:48 AM EST reply actions  

Eh, if he doesn’t go to the game then whatever. Dude needs to rest up for the playoffs AMIRITE

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by T is for Truculence on Jan 6, 2012 9:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Agreed. That 4/5 seed matchup versus Ottawa is going to be a grind ;-)

by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jan 6, 2012 9:13 AM EST up reply actions  

All-Star Game is important now?

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by SkinnyFish on Jan 6, 2012 9:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Guess not, but I still enjoy the process. Maybe even moreso, under Shanahan’s new fantasy format.

by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jan 6, 2012 9:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Just about at the halfway point – one more win, and we’re in the top 8 spots halfway into the season, which is a good sign. Let’s turn on those power boosts like last year and get another great record in the second half of the season, as we did last year.

Comments on the game:

- Gus was good, not great; he had great puck support from his defenders, more than a few times I saw them clear the puck when he kicked out a potentially bad rebound.

- Grabbo shows no signs of slowing down, he’s one of our best players day in day out – if we trade him, I want some really good stuff back, because I would personally re-sign him if he wants to stay

- Jets looked tired and were not good. We did a good job (not taking many penalties was a great sign), but let’s not get ahead of ourselves – the Jets were out of gas and it made our job easier. Still two points, though.

by Goosemonster on Jan 6, 2012 9:28 AM EST reply actions  

Leafs are in 7th…

Sure Washington and New Jersey both have a game or two in hand, but I’ll take it!!

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by Gebx on Jan 6, 2012 11:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Two teams have a game in hand on the Leafs, but the Leafs have a better goal differential than nine teams in the East.

Florida is probably going to swap with Washington soon, Ottawa will fall down the standings, the Leafs are near where they should be.

Sixth in goal differential, sixth in goal differential per game, seventh in the conference. Perfect.

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by Chemmy on Jan 6, 2012 11:54 AM EST up reply actions  

I keep waitin for Ottawa to fall, but they haven’t yet/. I hope you’re right, but I wonder if they run some sort of miracle season, make it to the playoffs this year, get trounced, and fail all next year. Which hardly matters, unless they happen to take a spot from us.

by Goosemonster on Jan 6, 2012 12:14 PM EST up reply actions  

New Jersey is 8 – 1 in the shootout, i’m not to worried about them either.

by samspade on Jan 6, 2012 12:49 PM EST up reply actions  

And Winnipeg is only really any good at home. They’re Thrashers bad on the road.

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by FiftyMissionCap on Jan 6, 2012 3:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Imagine you played in Atlanta for years, then had a crowd like the one in Winnipeg. I get it, it’s pretty easy to see. But yeah, I don’t think they can make it into the playoffs with that road record.

by Goosemonster on Jan 6, 2012 4:10 PM EST up reply actions  

As i mentioned yesterday, they’re interesting in that unlikely basically every other team, they alternate between long stretches of home games and road games.

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by Ubiquitous on Jan 6, 2012 4:13 PM EST up reply actions  

hence the alternative win streaks and loss streaks.

by Goosemonster on Jan 6, 2012 4:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I dunno. Burke may lament the loss of the fighter, but if you put in fighters who can actually play and thus maybe not just fight whenever they are on the ice but when it is appropriate, isn’t that a good thing? As for the rats, that’s really on the NHL to fix and lay down ACTUAL suspensions and deterrents to that type of behaviour. Someone like Downie or Ott cheapshots someone, he isn’t going to fight unless it is someone he knows he can punk. Otherwise, he turtles or runs. They have no interest in fighting enforcers.

Also, the fact that there aren’t places for players like Orr could also be taken as evidence that the number of players with skill is finally making up the extra space expansion made. Rolling four lines in the future can only be seen as a good thing for the game.

However, after watching the OT last night in the WJC, I found that if the NHL wanted to eliminate bad hits and make it a skilled game, then just bite the bullet and go four on four. More ice, more end to end and if you make the bad pinch, it’ll be 3-on-1 or worse. Skating becomes the most important thing. I found it a riveting idea to have 20 minutes of four on four if there were no goals.

But yeah, it’ll never happen because it will probably reduce the bench size and NHLPA wouldn’t want that.

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by Learn2Leaf on Jan 6, 2012 10:07 AM EST reply actions  

This is ideally what I want, a guy who can play hockey AND fight.

Someone starting working on an age serum so we can get Wendel back

by Chi-town leafs on Jan 6, 2012 10:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Was he never married? Seems like Wendell Jr. would be coming of age about now.

by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jan 6, 2012 10:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Paging Mike Brown.

by lucc on Jan 6, 2012 10:49 AM EST up reply actions  

good ol cement hands brown

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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 6, 2012 11:42 AM EST up reply actions  

if he has cement hands, I think Orr and Rosehill might not have hands at all.

by Goosemonster on Jan 6, 2012 12:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Of course Brown has 1/10th of the hands Wendel had. But he’s a 4th liner that can actually be useful, and can also keep the “rats” in check.

by lucc on Jan 6, 2012 12:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Brown’s speed and on ice awareness make up for a lot of his natural offensive ability, if i had to put money on it, I’d say Rosehill was the most offensively gifted of the three

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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 6, 2012 3:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I’d say Brown over Rosehill, but that’s just me apparently.

by Goosemonster on Jan 6, 2012 3:18 PM EST up reply actions  

A win over detroit would be immense.

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by BlindSight on Jan 6, 2012 10:11 AM EST reply actions  

Yes it would and I will be at the game

any word on Dion’s face?

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by Eterrible on Jan 6, 2012 10:33 AM EST up reply actions  

It has grown steadily less smiley over the years. But really, what happened to his face? I stopped watching the game after the first period.

by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jan 6, 2012 10:35 AM EST up reply actions  

he blocked a slapshot with it

by elseldo on Jan 6, 2012 10:37 AM EST up reply actions  

I think they said on sportscentre this morning that there’s no structural damage. Doesn’t surprise me, what with his caveman jaw and all.

by lucc on Jan 6, 2012 10:42 AM EST up reply actions  

If he didn’t break his jaw that’s a miracle.

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by The Bag on Jan 6, 2012 11:14 AM EST up reply actions  

How much protection would the Mouthguard have offered?

Changing my "Goat of The Year" player from Armstrong to Kulemin

by Gebx on Jan 6, 2012 11:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Maybe saved his teeth?

Changing my "Goat of The Year" player from Armstrong to Kulemin

by Gebx on Jan 6, 2012 11:35 AM EST up reply actions  

It would have saved Versteeg’s eye, nose and cheekbone.

by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jan 6, 2012 11:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Zero as the shot was lateral, not upwards to his chin.

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by SkinnyFish on Jan 6, 2012 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Does Phaneuf wear a mouthguard?

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by AM18 on Jan 6, 2012 6:16 PM EST up reply actions  

My wife is a hard-core Wings fan… a win over Detroit is a necessity to save me from the gloating

by Chi-town leafs on Jan 6, 2012 10:38 AM EST up reply actions  

For me, a win over Detroit is a necessity to save me from hundreds of heckling comments made by everyone around me. The only saving grace is that the Lions play their first playoff game in 12 years the same night, so most people may not even know there is a hockey game that night.

by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 6, 2012 10:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh right that’s the same night, I’ll have to flip to that during intermissions (the Lions have grown on me)

by Chi-town leafs on Jan 6, 2012 10:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes. Until this season though, I’d maybe catch 1 game a year, but this past fall I think I watched 14 of the 16 games. Thank God for DVR. The only hard part will be staying in the bubble during the Leaf game.

by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 6, 2012 10:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Well I may watch the FSN Detroit feed to avoid listening to Glenn Healy, so I’m not sure whether they will mention the score during the game or not

by Chi-town leafs on Jan 6, 2012 10:47 AM EST up reply actions  

I’ll be watching to FSN feed because 1. CBC doesn’t broadcast in HD in the states, and 2. the Glenn healey Factor

So, I’m afraid Ken Daniels and Micky redmond may not be able to help themselves but blurt out updates every 10 minutes.

by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 6, 2012 10:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Knowing their tendency to talk about everything other than what is happening on the ice… i’d say that’s very likely

by Chi-town leafs on Jan 6, 2012 10:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Any chance of them hosting an NFC final? I was promised tix if they do.

by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jan 6, 2012 10:45 AM EST up reply actions  

They’re in as a 6th seed. Even if they get through Brees and the Saints (really hugh “if” and most likely not happening) they would face off against GB in Wisconsin, right?

by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 6, 2012 10:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, it’d have to be in Week 3, but I guess the 6th seed doesn’t get to host :-(

by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jan 6, 2012 10:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah if they win they play GB at Lambeau

by Chi-town leafs on Jan 6, 2012 10:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah… not looking good for them.

Stafford is a stud though. A few more years of building and they could be a force.

by lucc on Jan 6, 2012 10:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Stafford is a stud

and Calvin Johnson is the best receives in the NFL, but only the 3rd best on the Bears.

by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 6, 2012 10:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Is Megatron > Optimus Reim?

by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jan 6, 2012 11:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh the hilarity if you could get both of them to dress up in robot costumes

by Chi-town leafs on Jan 6, 2012 11:25 AM EST up reply actions  

I’d trade it for a win over buffalo.

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by Bower Power on Jan 6, 2012 10:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Win ALL the games

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by BlindSight on Jan 6, 2012 10:49 AM EST up reply actions  

since every radio station,

everyone in the MSM and their mother is getting their their underwear tied in a knot over Burke calling a press conference for a less than marginal player with no skill, and “what Burke said”. i’ll give you my opinion too.

I’m pretty sure he called the conference because Orr was a fan favourite and i guess he felt that Leafs fans deserved an explanation. and maybe the reason he got so emotional about having to basically tell someone he respects tremendously, has a great attitude and truculence to burn, that his days in the NHL are over and it’s not because of the concussion he just recovered from but because he just doesn’t fit in anymore. As Clarke Griswald once said; “his heart is bigger than his brain sometimes” except i don’t mean it as a backhanded insult. he’s quite obviously extremely intelligent it’s just that his heart is in fact, bigger than his brain.

Also, congrats on project mayhem.

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by OffTheChest on Jan 6, 2012 10:36 AM EST reply actions  

Orr was a fan favourite, now? Which fans?

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by Learn2Leaf on Jan 6, 2012 10:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah I was wondering that

by elseldo on Jan 6, 2012 10:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Everybody loves a guy who’ll throw and take punches while smiling like a maniac. I liked the guy, a lot, but I don’t think he benefited the team very much.

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by SkinnyFish on Jan 6, 2012 10:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Same.

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by daoust on Jan 6, 2012 10:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah I liked him a lot, and enjoyed watching him fight Carkner… but he wasn’t really helpful in the grand scheme of things

by Chi-town leafs on Jan 6, 2012 10:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Exactly. The press conference may have been a bit much, but it was different than putting a marginal fourth-liner on waivers. Orr was extremely good at what he does, it’s just that no one values what he does anymore. That’s a tough message to deliver.

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by The Bag on Jan 6, 2012 11:17 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Phillipe Dupuis is still waiting for his press conference

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by T is for Truculence on Jan 6, 2012 11:32 AM EST up reply actions  

he’s a dirty habs fan no one cares about him

by elseldo on Jan 6, 2012 11:33 AM EST up reply actions  

I’m missing how Dupuis is somehow not a marginal fourth liner…

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by The Bag on Jan 6, 2012 12:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Interesting story:

Todd Bertuzzi drops third-party lawsuit against Marc Crawford

The crazy thing about this is that the topic of my Law and Sport class yesterday was violence in sport. We looked at the McSorley and Bertuzzi cases (both criminal and civil for the latter), and then an hour later this story dropped. Also really weird that Burke’s presser was focused on enforcers and “policing the game”.

Anyways, the globe story is a good read. The only real relevance to the case is that, if Bertuzzi is ordered to pay damages, he will now have to pay them himself for sure. If Crawford had been found liable for Bertuzzi’s actions his liability would have been covered by insurance up to $10 million (there’s no way Moore gets that much anyways); Bertuzzi is not covered by the insurance because he pleaded guilty to assault and the insurance doesn’t cover criminal acts.

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by Shield on Jan 6, 2012 10:44 AM EST reply actions  

Does Bertuzzi have suit against Burke pending? Does Moore?

by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jan 6, 2012 10:47 AM EST up reply actions  

No. Moore is suing Bertuzzi and Orca Bay. Bertuzzi was suing Crawford for having “instructed” him to do what he did, but now that suit is dropped. I don’t think Moore can sue anyone else due to the statute of limitations; I’m pretty sure he launched this suit about a day or two before that would have expired.

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by Shield on Jan 6, 2012 10:49 AM EST up reply actions  

And Brad May? I think he was named at one point, for some reason.

by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jan 6, 2012 10:52 AM EST up reply actions  

He was one of the guys who was saying a lot of stuff about “getting Moore back” or whatever to the media.

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by Shield on Jan 6, 2012 10:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Man, was that already 6000 years ago? Seems like only yesterday …..

by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jan 6, 2012 10:55 AM EST up reply actions  

You quoted Ghost in the Shell?! rec

Ooo… the rest of it is about dinosaurs. Needs more rec’ing.

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by Learn2Leaf on Jan 6, 2012 10:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Highly specialized dinosaurs, eh? You mean like the ones that played records and washed dishes for the Flintstones?

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by jrwendelman on Jan 6, 2012 10:58 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Nerd Alert: Brontosaurus is an obsolete term… You are thinking of Apatosaurus

by Chi-town leafs on Jan 6, 2012 11:00 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Plus, everyone knows the Brachiosaurus is the coolest long-necked dinosaur.

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by Shield on Jan 6, 2012 11:02 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, yeah I know. But it’ll always be Brontosaurus to me. Thunder lizard >>>> Deceptive lizard. What’s so deceptive about a 25 ton land beast?

Also did you hear they’re taking Triceratops away from us? They says it’s just a juvenile Torosaurus. Jerks. PLUTO IS STILL A PLANET TO ME DAMMIT!

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by SkinnyFish on Jan 6, 2012 11:04 AM EST up reply actions  

It’s deceptively fast? Unlike Colton Orr?

And yes… they need to just leave names of things alone.

by Chi-town leafs on Jan 6, 2012 11:26 AM EST up reply actions  

I know, right? Fred would never eat an Apatowburger.

by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jan 6, 2012 11:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah that Triceratops thing is sooommmmmme bullshit

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by PPP on Jan 6, 2012 7:29 PM EST up reply actions  

judd apatow got his own dinosaur?

by elseldo on Jan 6, 2012 11:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Brontosaurus is an obsolete term, but so is Hockey Fighter.

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by Learn2Leaf on Jan 6, 2012 11:06 AM EST up reply actions  

It’s an interesting concept, although I hope this doesn’t mean the NHL needs to be ritually cleansed in fire every few years to stay relevant

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by T is for Truculence on Jan 6, 2012 11:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Great post. Also, if Orr is a Brontosaurus then Bobby Clarke must be an Ankylosaurus.

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by GreatKingRat on Jan 6, 2012 11:58 AM EST up reply actions  

So what you are saying is wishing for a meteor does work once in a while.

by MrSmithy on Jan 6, 2012 12:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Anybody who needs a good laugh

…check out this tremendous satire published over at the Sun. It’s not like that ol’ fishwrapper to feature brilliant writing (really, publishing anything semi-coherent would just make Steve Simmons feel self conscious) but this piece is nothing short of an amazing send up of churlish, trolling sports “columnists” who claim not to pay attention to online media, but can’t stop talking about them either.

Come for the hilarious assertion that Phaneuf’s inclusion in the ASG is a “joke” that was nearly remedied by the election of Sergei Gonchar; stay for the delightfully dated (and factually incorrect) joke about Torontonians telephoning the “national guard” for assistance with snow removal. Howl with delight at the winking non-references (but they really are references, you can just tell) to Project Mayhem. Brilliant satire.

At least, I assume it’s satire. Nobody would actually write that shit for real, right? RIGHT?

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by jrwendelman on Jan 6, 2012 10:50 AM EST reply actions  

I win the comments section.

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by SkinnyFish on Jan 6, 2012 10:51 AM EST up reply actions  

:-(

Can’t see it…yet?

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"But if someone so eager to engage into fist talk, we can always meet after season end in Minsk." (Mikhail Grabovski and a well-meaning but not particularly skillful translator) CERTIFIED GRABBO LOVER

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by jrwendelman on Jan 6, 2012 10:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Haha

They deleted the comment chain I had replied to. Probably because I suggested that Tim Blaines wears Velcro shoes.

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by SkinnyFish on Jan 6, 2012 11:12 AM EST up reply actions  

He calls them “sock wrappers.”

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by jrwendelman on Jan 6, 2012 11:58 AM EST up reply actions  

GCBATS:

In their first 22 home games, the Senators are averaging 19,151 per game at Scotiabank Place, and are operating at 100.0% capacity.

Source: ESPN 2011-12 NHL Attendance report.

Do your research before posting incorrect comments, please and thank you.

I have the urge to say, “How much of that number is skewed by Leafs fans attending those Leafs-Sens games?”

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by Frag on Jan 6, 2012 1:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Scotiabank place seats 20,500 with standing room; averages 19,151. ACC seats 19,500 with standing room – averages 19,503.

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by SkinnyFish on Jan 6, 2012 2:08 PM EST up reply actions  

A solid argument can be made for all four of Daniel Alfredsson, Jason Spezza, Milan Michalek and Karlsson to be in the all-star extravaganza. A week ago, Michalek was nearly 150,000 votes behind Kessel and he beat the Leaf by 40,000.

That’s right, folks. There’s a “solid argument” that the overachieving bubble team has four of the best players in the league.

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by Bower Power on Jan 6, 2012 11:00 AM EST up reply actions  

realistically Karlsson and Michalek have an argument. The other 2? Fuck off

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by leafer1984 on Jan 6, 2012 11:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Spezza: 41 points in 41 games; 11th in scoring

Alfredsson: pre-determined captain of Team Alfie, regardless of voting; almost a point per game

by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jan 6, 2012 11:04 AM EST up reply actions  

almost a point per game

lol

Being a Leafs fan makes me bipolar.

by BlindSight on Jan 6, 2012 11:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Compared to the number of players who are over a ppg?

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by BlindSight on Jan 6, 2012 11:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Well I guess that’s enough for a solid argument

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by T is for Truculence on Jan 6, 2012 11:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Eric Staal was a capt. last year. anyone not thinking the host teams captain wouldn’t be one isn’t paying attention.

by elseldo on Jan 6, 2012 11:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Points are erroneous to his argument. In denouncing Phaneuf, he argues that there are players that are just better. If it were points, the Defense would be, in order of points:

Karlsson, Campbell, Weber, Edler, Wiedmann, Phaneuf, Chara, Yandle, Suter, Bfuglien, Timmonen, Del Zotto.

By those standards, Phaneuf is a worthy All-Star. And guys like Lidstrom never would be.

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by Learn2Leaf on Jan 6, 2012 11:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Wiedmann,

Who?

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by leafer1984 on Jan 6, 2012 11:21 AM EST up reply actions  

The most absent minded and lazy of all the superheros

by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jan 6, 2012 11:22 AM EST up reply actions  

I never learned to good type like you.

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by Learn2Leaf on Jan 6, 2012 11:26 AM EST up reply actions  

Dennis Wideman is not a very good defenceman.

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by leafer1984 on Jan 6, 2012 11:29 AM EST up reply actions  

I know, but I was doing point totals as an argument for all-stars. He is tied for fifth for points by a defenseman this year. 27 – same as Phaneuf.

It highlights that just because a player had a good half to a season, doesn’t make them among the elite.

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by Learn2Leaf on Jan 6, 2012 11:31 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree

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by leafer1984 on Jan 6, 2012 11:35 AM EST up reply actions  

I like how he says “a solid argument can be made” and then doesn’t say what that argument is…. maybe he’s talking about the “solid argument” he has in his pants whenever he thinks about the sens.

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by Shield on Jan 6, 2012 11:01 AM EST up reply actions  

The argument is at least gelatinous.

My fav line?

we at the Ottawa Sun, have been championing for the Senators in paper and online

by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jan 6, 2012 11:02 AM EST up reply actions  

The problem is he doesn’t make an argument, just claims that one exists and moves on.

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by Shield on Jan 6, 2012 11:04 AM EST up reply actions  

I don’t get the fav line part… is it your favourite because it makes no grammatical sense?

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by Shield on Jan 6, 2012 11:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Partially my fault for picking the middle of a sentence to skew the context, but I liked how this admitted long-suffering Leafs fan implies that his rag is overly team-friendly.

I don’t believe they have a bias against the team (as Kovalev or Spezza might claim), but they rarely champion the cause.

by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jan 6, 2012 11:15 AM EST up reply actions  

It’s still a misuse of the comma. But yeah, I get your point.

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by Shield on Jan 6, 2012 11:18 AM EST up reply actions  

You like the misuse of commas? YOU MONSTER!!!

So, apparently I can now be followed.. but no stalking. @alsonamedphil

by Learn2Leaf on Jan 6, 2012 11:09 AM EST up reply actions  

This post annoys me even though I know it is just baiting a response.

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by Learn2Leaf on Jan 6, 2012 12:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Is that the kind of argument that you can go back and forth on for hours?

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by GreatKingRat on Jan 6, 2012 12:08 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Nice.

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by Shield on Jan 6, 2012 2:53 PM EST up reply actions  

He then goes to say how laughable Dion Phaneuf is as an All-Star starter, listing all the defenders better than him (which i don’t think he makes the 12 count an All Star game requires). Which is funny, because that is the precise argument to be made on why Alfredsson, Spezza, Michalek and Karlsson are not All-Stars. I would have done it, but it’s the Ottawa Sun, so I don’t care.

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by Learn2Leaf on Jan 6, 2012 11:09 AM EST up reply actions  

The Ottawa Sun: Just as bad as the Toronto Sun, but also irrelevant because it’s Ottawa

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by Shield on Jan 6, 2012 11:11 AM EST up reply actions  

It’s a pretty freaking dumb article. I could write a better story about the All-Star game while drunk at 4am.

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by Shield on Jan 6, 2012 11:51 AM EST up reply actions  

I will do it tonight if I remember / if I’m up at 4am. It’s my g/fs xmas eve so I will definitely be drunk, just need to get the 4am criteria for the challenge.

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by Shield on Jan 6, 2012 2:54 PM EST up reply actions  

This guy said it better than I.

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by Learn2Leaf on Jan 6, 2012 11:53 AM EST up reply actions  

I’d argue that Ottawa isn’t even “overachieving” they’re just lucky right now.

Their -12 goal differential is 12th in the East.

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by Chemmy on Jan 6, 2012 11:56 AM EST up reply actions  

ottawa and Florida suck, they both wont make the playoffs

by pho king awesome on Jan 6, 2012 11:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Here’s hoping.

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by Chemmy on Jan 6, 2012 11:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Washington will overtake them, but their hot start could make them like the 2010 Avs and just squeak in.

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by FiftyMissionCap on Jan 6, 2012 3:59 PM EST up reply actions  

versteeg fliessman and weiss all have a PDO over 1040, and beyond them the next forward has 15 points

by pho king awesome on Jan 6, 2012 11:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Didn’t mean it as in they’re “world beaters” or anything, just that they’re outperforming reasonable expectations.

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by Bower Power on Jan 6, 2012 12:09 PM EST up reply actions  

No, you had it right the first time. World beaters. Like Paul Simon, circa 1988.

by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jan 6, 2012 12:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Flagged for baseball reference.

by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jan 6, 2012 11:27 AM EST up reply actions  

also

in games not again Boston, Gustavsson has a .910 SV% this season.

like the rest of our team (and league), Boston has destroyed his stats.

Move along. Nothing to see here...

by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 6, 2012 11:29 AM EST reply actions  

contrast that to Reimer, who has a .902 in games not against Boston.

The good news is, Gus is playing like a decent NHL back-up.

The bad news is, Reimer needs to be better.

Move along. Nothing to see here...

by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 6, 2012 11:37 AM EST up reply actions  

although that said, at evens Reimer is probably still doing better…

Move along. Nothing to see here...

by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 6, 2012 11:37 AM EST up reply actions  

A lot better. To the tune of “above average NHL starter” vs “awful”.

That said Gustavsson is playing well right now.

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by Chemmy on Jan 6, 2012 11:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Thats why I argued he deserved the start last night. Reimer will be the guy, but give Gus the ball and let him run for a bit and see what happens

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by leafer1984 on Jan 6, 2012 12:07 PM EST up reply actions  

So far he’s in Beast Mode – Seahawks playoff edition.

by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jan 6, 2012 12:11 PM EST up reply actions  

FYI, I did the math and I think (if I did it correctly) that Gus’ evens SV% goes up to about .923 without the Boston games. still not as good as Reimer, but I’m not sure it’s exactly ‘awful’.

Move along. Nothing to see here...

by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 6, 2012 1:37 PM EST up reply actions  

How much fun is next year’s World Junior Tournament going to be?

Group A – Sweden, Finland, Czech Republic, Switzerland, Latvia
Group B – Russia, Canada, Slovakia, USA, Germany

Russia Canada and USA are all in the same group. Craziness.
That also might be the strongest group in WJC history.

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by clrkaitken on Jan 6, 2012 11:41 AM EST reply actions  

Did they change the format to only relegate one team, or is Latvia being replaced by the likes of Kazakstan?

by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jan 6, 2012 11:42 AM EST up reply actions  

They only relegate one team now.

Germany won the second tier and Denmark gets relegated.

Latvia is going to get throttled next year.

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by clrkaitken on Jan 6, 2012 11:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Good change. The 11th-best team in the world is bad enough. No point in including the 12th-best as well.

by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jan 6, 2012 11:46 AM EST up reply actions  

They split the lower division into two tiers so now each half division promotes 1 and relegates one

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by Ubiquitous on Jan 6, 2012 11:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I just saw that they now have about 6 or 7 divisions.

At this rate, North Korea will never make it to the Olympics.

by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jan 6, 2012 11:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Apparently they were getting tired of teams winning 38-0.

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by Ubiquitous on Jan 6, 2012 11:59 AM EST up reply actions  

hard to beat other teams in hockey when your whole team is 4 inches shorter than the rest of them.

by Goosemonster on Jan 6, 2012 12:07 PM EST up reply actions  

The round robin is going to be fascinating. I won’t be surprised if Canada gets in trouble early and maybe doesn’t recover.

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by Learn2Leaf on Jan 6, 2012 11:55 AM EST up reply actions  

I bet you would like it too

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by leafer1984 on Jan 6, 2012 11:57 AM EST up reply actions  

With the goaltending coming out of Canada lately…eep. Not sure if its just the ups and downs of different draft years, but it seems like Canada hasn’t had a really good young goalie in….a long while.

by Goosemonster on Jan 6, 2012 12:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh, you.

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by Learn2Leaf on Jan 6, 2012 12:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Two new articles on the front page.

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by Chemmy on Jan 6, 2012 12:09 PM EST reply actions  

TWO? My god, did someone plug in ADMIN BOT 3000 again?

by Goosemonster on Jan 6, 2012 12:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Something I just noticed

The Leafs only have seven players with a negative +/-, and two of those players will likely never play again this year (Rosehill, Dupuis). For the past few years, virtually the entire team has been in the negatives. This is a refreshing change.

by MrSmithy on Jan 6, 2012 12:30 PM EST reply actions  

With Komi set to come back soon, Aulie’s days are numbered as well.

by Tickle Me Aulie on Jan 6, 2012 12:32 PM EST up reply actions  

absolutely, though he has been less bad lately.

by Goosemonster on Jan 6, 2012 12:37 PM EST up reply actions  

sounds delicious. probably goes well with chicken.

That's "Da-ooo". I killed a turkey once, with a shovel.

by daoust on Jan 6, 2012 12:45 PM EST up reply actions  

If we trade him to the Rangers, we could add a little MSG as well.

wakka wakka

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by SkinnyFish on Jan 6, 2012 12:46 PM EST up reply actions  

rimshot

That's "Da-ooo". I killed a turkey once, with a shovel.

by daoust on Jan 6, 2012 12:50 PM EST up reply actions  

LOOK AT THIS THREAD

MF37 and 67ers commenting all over the place?? It feels like old times. If we could just track down Arch and Eyebeleaf all would be right.

That's "Da-ooo". I killed a turkey once, with a shovel.

by daoust on Jan 6, 2012 12:46 PM EST reply actions  

oh, and I just realized it was my 3-year PPP anniversary a couple of days ago. thanks to the overlords and girlfriends for your dedication to this site, and to all the commenters who inform / amuse / entertain / annoy me, even when I’m not here chiming in. even when everyone gets all negative and shouty and ‘do you even watch the games?’ this place is still a haven from the rest of the ignorant sports chatter out there. i’d be lost without it.

That's "Da-ooo". I killed a turkey once, with a shovel.

by daoust on Jan 6, 2012 12:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Cake.

We got you one. Happy Anniversary!

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by jrwendelman on Jan 6, 2012 12:54 PM EST up reply actions  

and junior’s here too! good times.

thanks for the cake, it looks delicious.

That's "Da-ooo". I killed a turkey once, with a shovel.

by daoust on Jan 6, 2012 12:58 PM EST up reply actions  

To be honest, I’m here for the cake. :-)

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"But if someone so eager to engage into fist talk, we can always meet after season end in Minsk." (Mikhail Grabovski and a well-meaning but not particularly skillful translator) CERTIFIED GRABBO LOVER

Twooting on Twitter: @warwalker

by jrwendelman on Jan 6, 2012 1:05 PM EST up reply actions  

The cake is a lie.

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by Learn2Leaf on Jan 6, 2012 1:09 PM EST up reply actions  

MENDOZA!

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"But if someone so eager to engage into fist talk, we can always meet after season end in Minsk." (Mikhail Grabovski and a well-meaning but not particularly skillful translator) CERTIFIED GRABBO LOVER

Twooting on Twitter: @warwalker

by jrwendelman on Jan 6, 2012 1:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m pushing 3 years at the end of the month. Time flies dude

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by leafer1984 on Jan 6, 2012 1:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I’ll be four years in May, and – if memory serves – I used to frequent the site before it was SBN’ed. Fun wasting time with y’all.

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by jrwendelman on Jan 6, 2012 1:06 PM EST up reply actions  

This is awesome. Needs some Winkle.

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by PPP on Jan 6, 2012 7:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh, any body care enough to tally how many time ol’ Joe called Gunnar “Gustavsson” during last night’s game? I know I heard at least 2 or 3?

by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 6, 2012 12:52 PM EST reply actions  

he does it numerous times every game

by Goosemonster on Jan 6, 2012 12:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, I remember someone here mentioning it a while ago so I had to laugh when I heard it last night. Don’t catch to many games on Leafs TV.

by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 6, 2012 1:06 PM EST up reply actions  

LeafsTV is without a doubt the worst offender for missing the faceoff because they’re showing replays.

On the Kessel goal last night, they showed the replay four times from different angles. During the last replay, you could hear the live audio of the game do the WHOOOOOSH when the puck gets dropped at centre ice, but they finished the fourth replay and then went to a shot of Kessel sitting on the bench. They missed a good 2-3 seconds of game action to show a replay of something six times and then a random shot of the guy they just showed all those replays of.

They then did this at least another five times throughout the course of the game. They even missed the opening faceoff for either the second or third period.

I’m probably drafting a form letter to be emailed to all four networks that broadcast Leaf games to plead with their producers to stop missing live game action to show me replays of shit I just saw and stat overlays of things I don’t care about.

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by clrkaitken on Jan 6, 2012 1:10 PM EST up reply actions  

they also have nothing at all useful to offer during intermissions.

by Goosemonster on Jan 6, 2012 1:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Who does, aside from Grapes? And not even always then.

by LeafInVancouver on Jan 6, 2012 2:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I’d rather watch TSN or CBC at intermissions than anything on LeafsTV. I’d almost say Sportsnet too, but they’re all clowns so I guess I’ll take feel good diversity stories (not a bad thing to show on the channel and a great idea, but in the intermission?!) over them.

by Goosemonster on Jan 6, 2012 2:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Who watches intermissions when you have Skyrim

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by BlindSight on Jan 6, 2012 5:52 PM EST up reply actions  

if i did that i would never come back after the break

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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 6, 2012 5:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Who watches intermissions when you have PVRd Jeopardy with fast-forwarding the meet and greet and commercials?

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by Shield on Jan 6, 2012 6:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Who watches intermissions when it’s the only chance you have to get any work done between four and seven?

by LeafInVancouver on Jan 6, 2012 6:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Poor Matt Frattin, really hope he isn’t the odd man out with Brown returning. Also, what’s the deal with Bozak? Was he a healthy scratch?

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 6, 2012 1:24 PM EST reply actions  

He’s injured.

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by SkinnyFish on Jan 6, 2012 1:25 PM EST up reply actions  

These are the things I miss when I leave Twitter for a week.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 6, 2012 1:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t think Burke will risk Crabb or Boyce on waivers, Rosehill probably next down though.

by Dr_Furious on Jan 6, 2012 1:36 PM EST up reply actions  

That would put the marlies’ goon list up to 3 by my count. Neuber, Orr, and Rosehill.

by Tickle Me Aulie on Jan 6, 2012 2:27 PM EST up reply actions  

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by fair_n_hite_451 on Jan 6, 2012 2:45 PM EST up reply actions  

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by Bower Power on Jan 6, 2012 1:25 PM EST reply actions  

What a Captain.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 6, 2012 1:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Dion strong like bull.

by Goosemonster on Jan 6, 2012 1:29 PM EST up reply actions  

YOU KNOW YOU WANT HIS JERSEY

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by leafer1984 on Jan 6, 2012 1:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I really do.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 6, 2012 2:18 PM EST up reply actions  

But it has blood all over it…

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by Learn2Leaf on Jan 6, 2012 2:45 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

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Komisarek and Brown will enter the lineup tomorrow #leafs

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As feared, Armstrong suffered a setback in his recovery, will need a few more days before returning to the ice #leafs

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by Bower Power on Jan 6, 2012 1:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I’d rather Armstrong get 100% healthy before he even tries to get back playing with us. One more injury this year and I don’t know what we can do with him, much as I love the guy.

by Goosemonster on Jan 6, 2012 1:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Just me? Just me. Ok then.

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by Chemmy on Jan 6, 2012 1:49 PM EST up reply actions  

No not just you

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by leafer1984 on Jan 6, 2012 1:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Nah I’m glad he is coming back. Hope he can get back to playing at the level he was before the injury.

by TheCeej on Jan 6, 2012 1:52 PM EST up reply actions  

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by Frag on Jan 6, 2012 1:51 PM EST up reply actions  

HIs nick name is KOMIKAZI!

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by leafer1984 on Jan 6, 2012 1:53 PM EST up reply actions  

WOOOOOO

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by SkinnyFish on Jan 6, 2012 2:08 PM EST up reply actions  

We all know that Komisarek will have a setback to his old terrible ways. The Leafs getting a competent defenseman back in the lineup? Hah!

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by BlindSight on Jan 6, 2012 5:51 PM EST up reply actions  

bye bye Aulie

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by LeafFan1989 on Jan 6, 2012 1:51 PM EST up reply actions  

It’ll be Holzer.

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by SkinnyFish on Jan 6, 2012 2:08 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s already been Holzer. But with Phaneuf listed as Day-to-day instead of injured, we’ll have Dion, Komi, Schenn, and Franson playing RD again.

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by Bower Power on Jan 6, 2012 2:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Cody “Press Box” Franson

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by SkinnyFish on Jan 6, 2012 2:22 PM EST up reply actions  

yeap. Shame. he’s played well recently.

Phaneuf
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Franson
Blacker
Holzer

What the hell, right side?

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by Bower Power on Jan 6, 2012 2:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I could swear that at the Marlies game I went to back in December Blacker was playing the left side.

Leafs TV is showing the game tonight and I’m going to the game against Rochester at the end of the month. I’m going to have to pay attention to who’s playing what side.

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by clrkaitken on Jan 6, 2012 2:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I could be wrong, but he’s listed as shooting right, so I think that’s the safe guess.

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by Bower Power on Jan 6, 2012 2:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Like I said, I’m going to keep an eye on this.

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by clrkaitken on Jan 6, 2012 2:31 PM EST up reply actions  

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

YES YES YES

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by leafer1984 on Jan 6, 2012 1:44 PM EST up reply actions  

i have a bad feeling about Saturday

seems like so often against the golden-boy teams (the Canucks, the Bruins) the Leafs throw up a stinker on HNiC and we’re stuck listing to Hughson, Simpson, and Healy wax ebulliently about how awful the Leafs are, and how great the opposition is.

Move along. Nothing to see here...

by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 6, 2012 1:51 PM EST reply actions  

the last leafs-canucks game was really fun hockey to watch.

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by daoust on Jan 6, 2012 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

on mute

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by leafer1984 on Jan 6, 2012 1:57 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Let’s look at two under-appreciated superstars, the Sedins.

by MrSmithy on Jan 6, 2012 2:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Art Ross winners are so underappreciated in this league.

by Goosemonster on Jan 6, 2012 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Guys, Pavel Datsyuk and Henrik Zetterberg are two players that nobody ever talks about…

Niclas Lidstrom doesn’t really get enough consideration for the greatest defenceman of his generation.

Chris Osgood was a big reason for the Wings run of success

Whoops I mixed up my “asinine things said by moron TV personalities”.

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by clrkaitken on Jan 6, 2012 2:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t know what this guy is talking about, Henrel Datterberg is my favourite hockey player.

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by Learn2Leaf on Jan 6, 2012 2:47 PM EST up reply actions  

And thus why I am watching it on FSN Detroit, to avoid the HNiC people. The FSN guys like the Leafs enough that they’ll be generally positive, and they aren’t horribly biased.

by Chi-town leafs on Jan 6, 2012 2:15 PM EST up reply actions  

if they can stop talking about the rodeo down in Toledo for 10 minutes to actually cover the game in front of them.

by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 6, 2012 2:48 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t know what FSD broadcasts you watch. Ken Daniels is alright I guess, for being a home team announcer, but Mickey Redmond is god awful. I have never heard anyone bitch and complain as much as he does about supposed ‘non calls’ and yet Red Wings could probably get away with McSorleying somebody. He and Larry Murphy probably drink heavily together during the game.

The FSD crew for baseball is one of the bests, however.

by m3smth on Jan 6, 2012 8:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Ok Redmond is pretty bad, but it evens out based on the fact that, I too think they drink before the games.

by Chi-town leafs on Jan 6, 2012 11:20 PM EST up reply actions  

You mean the Leafs are a bubble team who looks better than a lot of teams in the NHL, but still not as good as the elite teams in the league?

Shocking revelations, HNIC.

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by FiftyMissionCap on Jan 6, 2012 4:04 PM EST up reply actions  

The Sedins are the MOST underrated.

by Goosemonster on Jan 6, 2012 4:10 PM EST up reply actions  

My solution

Plug my laptop into my TV, load AM640, get the streaming in time with the action on TV, switch audio source to laptop.

Problem solved.

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by MLS on Jan 7, 2012 12:14 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I have a feeling Schenn is gonna sit tomorrow. Franson played fairly well last night and you know a RD is coming out so its Schenn or Franson.

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by leafer1984 on Jan 6, 2012 1:52 PM EST reply actions  

that one move by Franson was super slick.

Move along. Nothing to see here...

by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 6, 2012 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

high-risk but he pulled it off nicely.

by Goosemonster on Jan 6, 2012 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

He’s currently being used as he Leafs 6th defenseman. Regardless of our squabbles over his long term potential, it’s tough to say he’s played better than any of the other defenders.

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by birky on Jan 6, 2012 2:01 PM EST up reply actions  

aulie

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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 6, 2012 3:10 PM EST up reply actions  

How Phaneuf is communicating.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 6, 2012 2:19 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

“I do try to get my lineup set well in advance of the deadline,” Burke told ESPN.com Friday. “I’ve never been a deadline guy. So January is when I try to make a splash.”
So, how’s it going on that front now?
“We are listening to a lot right now and there is a good chance something will happen but I don’t think it’s going to happen today or tomorrow,” Burke said. “This is like hunting. Sometimes when you’re hunting, you get a feeling you’re going to stumble on something, or birds are coming in and you get a sixth sense something is about to happen. I don’t sense that here right now. We’re talking to a lot of teams about a number of things — mostly we’re listening because we like our group — but I can’t sense if something is imminent or not. Right now I’d say it’s not.”

Also says looking for a top six forward by dealing a d-man, not looking for goaltending. Good stuff.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nhl/post/_/id/13567/trade-rumblings-leafs-bolts-ducks-in-mix

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by Bower Power on Jan 6, 2012 2:22 PM EST reply actions  

6th in Goals per Game
25th in Goals Against per Game

Yay Burke, you go get that Top 6 forward. THAT’S WHAT WE NEED BOY! *Grapes thumbs up

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by SkinnyFish on Jan 6, 2012 2:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Long term vision. Connolly isn’t long term. Grabovski probably isn’t long term. Then we’re short a talented center in the medium to long run.

We’ll be fine on D as soon as we get Suter, duh. (he’s so dreamy)

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by Bower Power on Jan 6, 2012 2:28 PM EST up reply actions  

But if we’re 1st in goals, and unchanged in GA… we win more. Right?

/technicallytruebutnotserious

by Chi-town leafs on Jan 6, 2012 2:32 PM EST up reply actions  

well as you and I do believe others have argued in the (forgive me if I’m wrong), but if an elite player becomes available and you can get him at a fair price, do it. No?

by Goosemonster on Jan 6, 2012 2:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Sooooo, is Kadri a diver?

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 6, 2012 2:57 PM EST reply actions  

I haven’t seen him do it lately (I’m on streams though so my picture isn’t great) but I do believe he’s been doing it less than he may have been earlier. He tends to battle hard now, knowing if he does someone will take a penalty on him.

by Goosemonster on Jan 6, 2012 2:59 PM EST up reply actions  

He does draw a lot of penalties, and uses his shiftyness, but sometimes I feel he can embellish and go down a little too easy. Kulemin on the other hand tries to stay upright at all costs.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 6, 2012 3:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Last year I couldn’t decide if he was a diver or was just not ready for how much stronger NHLers are / the level of contact around the boards and was just falling down alot. This year I agree with Goosemonster below.

by TheCeej on Jan 6, 2012 3:00 PM EST up reply actions  

He doesn’t not dive if that makes sense. Like he doesn’t go out there and flop, but he goes down quite easy

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by leafer1984 on Jan 6, 2012 3:07 PM EST up reply actions  

This is why I asked, I feel like he’s walking a fine line, but that’s his game.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 6, 2012 3:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh I get it. We turn a blind eye because we’re leaf fans. If he was a hab or a Canuck we would be cursing his name

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by leafer1984 on Jan 6, 2012 3:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I guess that’s more the question, is it so bad that fan’s of other teams are going to start calling him a diver?

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 6, 2012 3:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I dont think he is THAT bad. He isn’t a Mike Ribiero or Kovalev.

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by leafer1984 on Jan 6, 2012 3:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I could understand people making the case, though I haven’t seen anything so blatant that I would condemn him for.

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by Learn2Leaf on Jan 6, 2012 3:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t think so.

by TheCeej on Jan 6, 2012 3:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes

and I’ve seen Grabbo do it, too.

But I haven’t seen them puul the stuff that, say, the Sedins pull.

by samspade on Jan 6, 2012 3:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I used to think the Sedins were divers. Now, after watching them more, I don’t think they are. I think they’re just that soft.

by LeafInVancouver on Jan 6, 2012 3:52 PM EST up reply actions  

FRattin may have been sent down
Matt Frattin status in limbo? #Leafs appear to have taken him off active roster, http://yfrog.com/h37rzoaxj

via David Alter

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by leafer1984 on Jan 6, 2012 3:17 PM EST reply actions  

Now he’s free to film some Cheetah commercials!

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 6, 2012 3:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Mother of God

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by leafer1984 on Jan 6, 2012 3:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Whoever took that screenshot appears to be using a computer from the 80’s. It’s the only possible explanation I can find for such an ugly, obtuse, unintuitive interface. I feel dirty just looking at it.

by LeafInVancouver on Jan 6, 2012 3:22 PM EST up reply actions  

His dock is just way too crowded.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 6, 2012 3:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Assigned to the Marlies
The #Leafs have assigned Matt Frattin & Korbinian Holzer to the @torontomarlies#Marlies #NHL #AHL

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by SkinnyFish on Jan 6, 2012 3:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Didn’t want to expose Crabb/Boyce to waivers? He’ll be back up next outbreak of Boneitis.

by Goosemonster on Jan 6, 2012 3:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Hey!

I have the same birthday as Cody Franson. Different year though…

by Leaf in Habland on Jan 6, 2012 11:10 PM EST up reply actions  

jtbourne Justin
Whoa. NHLPA denies realignment. What now?

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by Redonred on Jan 6, 2012 7:26 PM EST reply actions  

This is incredible, simply because I have no freakin’ clue what issue the NHLPA can possible have with it (unless it’s a grassroots thing where the players just didn’t like it — and I don’t have a freakin’ clue why).

One positive out of this mess: Phoenix will likely be settled one way or another by next year, so we won’t have that hanging the League’s head as it does now in terms of scheduling and what not.

by MrSmithy on Jan 6, 2012 7:42 PM EST up reply actions  

NHL is gonna whine and bitch about it……..NHLPA is gonna say they never consulted us………and it’s probably gonna be used by the NHLPA as a bargaining tool

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by LeafFan1989 on Jan 6, 2012 7:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I thought for sure the NHLPA had already signed off on it. I remember part of the announcement of the realignment being that they had to get the PA’s signature, and then that they had.

by LeafInVancouver on Jan 6, 2012 7:43 PM EST up reply actions  

HAHAHA:

ACatNamedFelix Danny Gray
Word is Tampa and Florida players did not want to be in the same Division as the powerhouse All-Star Sens.

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by Redonred on Jan 6, 2012 7:45 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I hear they are best in their division

Right after Boston…
And Toronto…
And Montreal…
And Buffalo…

At least it's not Lebda.

by Nifty Mittens on Jan 6, 2012 10:31 PM EST up reply actions  

This is (at least partially) about giving a bargaining chip to the players in the next CBA negotiation.

Considering how the owners are probably going to be pushing to cut their wages significantly (again), I have absolutely zero problem with the union doing this.

by samspade on Jan 6, 2012 9:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t see how it is a bargaining chip, though. “You want to redo the conferences so that they actually represent real geographical areas, thus reducing travel and wear and tear on everyone? Well, we want something first.” It reminds me of the US senators not increasing the debt ceiling, potentially destroying the US’s financial system irrevocably, to make a point.

by MrSmithy on Jan 6, 2012 9:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Everything that the two sides have to discuss with each other is going to be used as a bargaining chip (like NHL players going to the Olympics).

The ultimate fight is going to be about divvying up the revenues, and about player contract structures. The owners are going to want the players to take a smaller share of the total revenue than they already do, and that has nothing to do with competitiveness or the health of hockey (otherwise they’d just scrap the cap, or keep it very high, and impose a luxury tax). That extra money is going into the owner’s pockets.

by samspade on Jan 6, 2012 10:22 PM EST up reply actions  

exactly. although, arguably the re-alignment increases team revenues, although maybe this is why the NHLPA opposes it (more escrow, less money to increase salaries come bargaining time, etc).

Move along. Nothing to see here...

by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 6, 2012 10:45 PM EST up reply actions  

also, can we just change ‘escrow’ to ‘escargot’? (i.e., the money the owners need to hang on to to cover their escargot costs).

Move along. Nothing to see here...

by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 6, 2012 10:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Marlies are on Leafs tv btw. 1st just finished

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by Redonred on Jan 6, 2012 7:46 PM EST reply actions  

Burke would love to keep the testosterone, pugnacity etc.

belligerence, aggressiveness, truculence…but he has woken up to the fact that you don’t win games with players that are one dimensional…I think if Orr, Rosehill or other ’fighter’s’ could also show some value in other areas of their game, then they still can be a major component of any team…

by phunky on Jan 7, 2012 1:55 PM EST reply actions  

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