All-Star Game Nonsense
by birky on Jan 6, 2012 12:06 PM EST
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I have often wondered why Ottawa media members seem to have an axe to grind when it comes to the Maple Leafs. Is it because Eugene Melnyk promised the first batch of his new orgasm nasal spray to their wives? Could it be that the Leafs have beaten the Sens not once, not twice, not thrice, but all four times they've met in the playoffs? Were they all rejected by the bigger, better funded papers in Toronto? Does it really matter? No.
Does the 2012 NHL All-Star Game matter? Nowhere but Ottawa (I hear they're also crazy about NE Division titles). Just don't tell Tim Baines that, who wrote a laugher of an article in yesterday's Ottawa Sun about Toronto fans being unable to vote in Phil Kessel and Joffrey Lupul to the first six All-Stars.
I wanted to break down a few bits of this piece to show just how clueless Mr. Baines truly is.
And before Leafs fans cry blue into their Corn Flakes, the biggest joke is that Dion Phaneuf was included — 11,306 more votes and he was outta there in favour of a fifth Senator — the rejuvenated Sergei Gonchar.
Phaneuf isn’t among the Top 10 blueliners in the league. Really, is he better than any of Shea Weber, Dustin Byfuglien, Ryan Suter, Zdeno Chara, Duncan Keith, Nicklas Lidstrom, Erik Karlsson, Keith Yandle, or Kris Letang? And you could also make a case for Dan Boyle, Brian Campbell, Michael Del Zotto and Alex Edler.
Listen, I know math can be difficult for certain journalists, so Gabe Desjardin's wonderful Behind the Net site probably isn't for them. That said, do we see a pattern in the list above? Why, those are all defensemen who put up big offensive numbers! If you're trying to justify putting Erik Karlsson among the leagues top defensemen, or heaven help Mr. Baines, stick the word "rejuvenated" next to Sergei Ginchar, this list would be a great list. But are most of those names among the NHL's top defenders? Suter, Weber, Chara, Keith, Lidstrom for sure. They pass the eye test and their underlying possession and competition stats back up their placement here. Byfuglien? Maybe some day, but he's not even the best defender on his team. That would be Tobias Enstrom, who plays more difficult opposition and has held opponents to a measly 23 SA per 60 minutes.
Karlsson? He plays the least amount of shorthanded time per game amongst the Sens defenders. He also does not play regularly against the opposing team's best forwards, and he starts close to 60% of the time in the offensive zone. When it comes to defense, Karlsson isn't really asked to do much. He's a one trick pony. There isn't one defensive metric that suggests he's a top 10 defenseman. Ditto for Letang, Yandle, Edler, Del Zotto (Del Zotto isn't even one of the three best defenders on the Rangers), and Campbell. Dan Boyle is the only other one on this list that probably deserves mention.
Phaneuf, on the other hand, actually can play some D. Here's the skinny: Plays tough minutes? Check. Moves the puck in the positive direction? Check. Limits Shots Against? Check. Contributes offensively? I think 6th in the NHL is pretty good, so check there as well. Maybe Dion Phaneuf isn't a top 10 defenseman. But half the guys Baines listed above are certainly not top 10 players (unless we're just completely ignoring defense, which seems to be the Ottawa way to do things. Just ask Craig Anderson).
What else is there? Oh yeah...
A solid argument can be made for all four of Daniel Alfredsson, Jason Spezza, Milan Michalek and Karlsson to be in the all-star extravaganza....Kessel belongs, maybe Joffrey Lupul, too. And Toronto fans had a chance to get them in. But they blew it.
Right, Alfredsson who is 68th is scoring has a solid argument, but Joffrey Lupul is a maybe. HAHAHAHA. Does anybody on Earth think both Kessel and Lupul aren't going to the All-Star Game? The Leafs that deserve to be there will be there. No one really cares if they were voted in by the fans.
I feel bad having to explain this to you Mr. Baines (I know you'll read this), but the whole point of Project Mayhem was to get Sens fans and the Ottawa media into a tizzy. We were able to get not one, but two articles written in your paper about our silly idea. Thanks for taking the bait.
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by jrwendelman on Jan 6, 2012 12:14 PM EST reply actions 6 recs
Ottawa’s parade starts at a car dealership, goes past a traffic jam to get on the highway and ends at a unisex hair salon.
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by Chemmy on Jan 6, 2012 12:17 PM EST up reply actions 10 recs
Also, the floats are Segways sparsely decorated with tinsel.
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Also, the parade route is staggered, with long stretches of NCC-controlled land where floats are forbidden.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jan 6, 2012 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
That’s not a big obstacle given that Ottawa will never need to host a parade.
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Pfft, if the Federal Government funds it, it’s obviously going right through downtown Hunstville.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 6, 2012 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
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Karlsson does play against the top opposition
The corsi of his opponents isn’t the highest, but I think you will agree that’s not how coaches choose matchups.
The QUALCOMP opposition ratings (goals instead of shots) is probably how a coach chooses pairings and Karlsson/Kuba pairing is by far the highest among Senators defencemen in that. I am not sure of the big disconnect between QUALCOMP and Corsi Rel QoC (maybe someone can explain it to me), but Karlsson used to be the highest in that earlier this season before suddenly changing.
But having watched every game, he plays against the top lines. He has played against Ovechkin, Kovalchuk’s line, last night he didn’t but he usually does.
Also, his 13.1 relative Corsi rating is the highest on the Senators (and higher than Phaneuf’s).
Having said that, I do agree with any and all mocking of Baines.
Erik Karlsson is better than your favourite player.
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I wanted to weigh in on that as well.
Maclean has tasked Karlsson with shutting down several teams top offensive guys this season (see Ovie, Kovie examples above) and he has performed admirably. He’s sneaky good at getting his body between a player and the puck and can really use his speed to break up a play. I’m not going to try and oversell him and pretend he can shut ‘em down like Chara or anything, but his defensive game is consistently underrated. He leaps and bounds above his performance last year in that regard. Between that and his unreal output offensively, I’d say he’s the hardest of the Senator’s starter picks to reasonably attack.
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by Johnny_Spectacular on Jan 6, 2012 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
You guys are looking through red and black and gold and white and “classic” white and greyish and where was I? Oh yeah, zee goggles.
Karlsson gets beat way too often, but that’s okay because he can get beat, take a sip of water, then get back and break up the play before it gets to the Ottawa net.
Who needs defense when you can skate as fast as Colin Greening.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jan 6, 2012 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
Given that they are third-worst in terms of GA/G, I’d wager the Sens need defense.
In the court of public opinion, Steve Simmons is Lionel Hutz.
Defense like Coffey and Fuhr? Yeah, we got that.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jan 6, 2012 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
Convenient
isn’t it, that the GA/G is only displayed on NHL.com for the entire season. The Senators were ‘round and about -25 goal differential in the first several weeks and were in 15th in the East. Now they’re -9 and 5th. TOR? from 1st to 7th.
by StraightFromTHM on Jan 6, 2012 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
Just as convenient
as ignoring the point of a comment. “What? The Sens have terrible defense? I disagree, and to show you why, I’m going to talk about something else!”
Or as convenient as somehow reading that the Sens’ differential is 5th in the East when it’s 10th.
In conclusion: Erik Karlsson is a land of contrast.
In the court of public opinion, Steve Simmons is Lionel Hutz.
by The Bag on Jan 6, 2012 1:29 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
5th place in the standings
Good job on “somehow reading”, though.
by StraightFromTHM on Jan 6, 2012 2:39 PM EST up reply actions
My bad, I was looking for some sort of logical connection in what you were saying.
Anyway, my point was that the Sens have crap defense, not that they can’t score goals or aren’t ranked 5th in the east. I take it by your silence on that point that you agree.
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Hah, I’d say there’s a touch of putting words in the mouth there. There’s a difference between ’he’s decent defensively’ and ’he’s the absolute bestest ever’. He strengths lie in offense, but he can be trusted defensively. Methinks the blue and white goggles might be coming into play a touch here as well. Especially if you’re questioning the kid’s skating.
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by Johnny_Spectacular on Jan 6, 2012 1:04 PM EST up reply actions
I’ve been called a lot of things in my day. Lazy, other things ….
But a Leafs fan? You, sir, have insulted me. Good day to you.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jan 6, 2012 1:10 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Jake Gardiner relies on his speed to do the same. It doesn’t matter if he gets beat a lot because he’s young and obviously has the offensive side down pretty pat. The rest will come.
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by PPP on Jan 6, 2012 7:10 PM EST up reply actions
QCOMP is based on the +/- of your opponents.
CorsiQoC is the Corsi of your opponents.
Corsi Rel QoC is based on the Corsi Rel of your opponents.
The problem with the first is that it’s based on plus/minus (Lidstrom was a minus player last year), so the latter two are probably better for our discussion. Now, as to the relative merits of each, im not so sure, but through reading around the Hockeysphere it seems CorsiRelQoC is the go to measure.
Looking at those (5v5) numbers, Phillips is playing the real tough minutes, but Karlsson isn’t overly sheltered (he ranks 3rd on the D for both those Comp numbers) except that he gets beneficial zonestarts. Nik Lidstrom he is not, but he is damn good.
As For Gonchar, well I don’t think I need to tell you he isn’t “rejuvenated”
Isn’t the very definition of doth protest too much equal to the number of articles I have read in the past 24 hours about how nobody cares about the All-Star Game?
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jan 6, 2012 12:19 PM EST reply actions
Depends where you’re reading them…
MSM – that’s lazy journalism just rehashing an easy target.
Bloggers – perhaps some “doth protest too much” going on.
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by fair_n_hite_451 on Jan 6, 2012 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
Stop being reasonable
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by PPP on Jan 6, 2012 7:11 PM EST up reply actions
There was an organized effort by Torontonians to skew the voting by loading up on players who’ve worn out their welcome here.
If the insidious plan had worked, Dany Heatley might have been the only all-star booed here.
(Holy sentences as whole paragraph syndrome, Batman!)
I guess this means only Alfredsson will be booed at game, once Leafs fans do the usual buying up of left over Ottawa tickets.
Also, insidious plan… what evil masterminds we have here.
So, apparently I can now be followed.. but no stalking. @alsonamedphil
Also, Torontonians?
Get it right, Baines. It was a couple of guys from the other 50 States.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jan 6, 2012 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
Leafs fans NOT located in Toronto? Not possible - the world hates the Leafs as much as everyone in Ottawa does.
So, apparently I can now be followed.. but no stalking. @alsonamedphil
Not sure how big the average member’s screen is (no seriously, PPP, how big are your readers’ screens on average?), but on my screen, that comment got cut off at the perfect spot.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jan 6, 2012 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
Actually the vast majority of newspaper articles are written with each sentence as its own paragraph. When you lay out an article onto the page, putting two sentences together makes for a gigantic paragraph in a column.
That’s about the only thing this guy got right
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by T is for Truculence on Jan 6, 2012 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
The Sun has a particular predilection for one-sentence paragraphs composed of particularly short sentences, though. It’s most likely to cater to a readership that has a lower literacy rate than other newspapers.
Most newspaper writers are instructed to write for a grade eight audience.
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No, reporters are instructed to write for an audience that has zero knowledge of what they’re reporting on, not zero intelligence. There’s a difference.
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by T is for Truculence on Jan 6, 2012 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
They’re also instructed to avoid difficult vocabulary and complex sentences, and to intentionally oversimplify multi-faceted stories into easy to grasp narratives. Writing for the uninformed isn’t the same thing as writing for the dumb, but it in no way precludes it.
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It’s actually a lot harder than you might think to “write simple”: journalists have to quickly grasp the nuances of a complex story and then translate that into a straightforward, easy to read article that does not lose sight of the details while being as accessible as possible. It’s not always possible, and not everybody succeeds. Then again, I never said all journalists were good journalists either. But that doesn’t mean that they’re all bad, and that “writing dumb” (or, as you put it, “intentionally oversimplify”) is indicative of a writer’s intelligence.
Addendum: I have the greatest of respect for technical writers, because they have to take complex instructions and processes, and then write it in a way that the average person can understand. And not maim themselves while trying to put together an IKEA cabinet.
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by T is for Truculence on Jan 6, 2012 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
It’s why I never would go into journalism, and prefer academia. I’d rather have a more complex and nuanced discussion of an issue that is, frankly, much more complex than average journalism can convey. Although I’m a big fan of the investigative and story-telling journalism used by magazines like the New Yorker.
You ask any journalist what the word count for a given story is, and they’ll tell you “not enough.”
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by T is for Truculence on Jan 6, 2012 1:55 PM EST up reply actions
I didn’t say it was indicative of the journalist’s intelligence. I said it was indicative of their rhetorical strategy, which is to write for an audience of low intelligence.
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Fair enough. Not directed at you specifically but there’s a lot of casual vitriol that gets directed at the MSM around here these days. Some of it warranted, some of it not. I just don’t think it’s ever fair to paint the MSM with the same brush that some of them evidently do for bloggers. That said, this is an article that is rightfully antagonistic towards a piece of particularly horrid “journalism” so it’s not unexpected to see some hyperbole about this guy’s ability to dress himself in the morning.
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by T is for Truculence on Jan 6, 2012 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
Am I missing something?
A) this article is obviously satire
B) the author is a Leafs fan
Junior even presented it this way when he first linked to it this morning. Now the poor guy is a horrible journalist who can’t dress himself? I thought the piece was funny. Not Big Game Chris funny, but well written.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jan 6, 2012 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
Wait, what?
I don’t actually think that article was satire. I was making a joke, kind of like the Sun columnist, only mine was intentional.
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Sorry. I thought you got that it was satire. Is the guy not a Leafs fan?
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jan 6, 2012 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t know what he is, except:
(a) an idiot; and
(b) a terrible writer.
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He also said Sergei Gonchar was “rejuvenated”; I don’t believe that, either.
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He’s either a dummy or a quisling
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by PPP on Jan 6, 2012 7:12 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t think anybody so far has read it as satire. If it is, it’s not well-written satire.
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by T is for Truculence on Jan 6, 2012 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
That’s how I read it.
If he really was trying to be satirical, either he’s even worse at this than I thought, or he’s way more clever than anybody in here so far has given him credit for (except STP apparently)
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by T is for Truculence on Jan 6, 2012 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
Two theories off the top of my head for that:
1. the Sun newspapers have been steadily shrinking in size over the last 10 years. The current editions of the Toronto/Ottawa Sun are smaller, in terms of page size, than your average Canadian Tire flyer.
2. The Sun is a tabloid, which means it doesn’t employ turns like most other major newspapers. As a result, there is far less real estate for individual stories in an already smaller-than-average newspaper.
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by T is for Truculence on Jan 6, 2012 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
perhaps if it’s becoming a tabloid flyer, it should stop masquerading as a media outlet?
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by Sergei Puckizin on Jan 6, 2012 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
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by jrwendelman on Jan 6, 2012 12:41 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
I find the macaroni and cheese crayon to be blatant false advertising.
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by SkinnyFish on Jan 6, 2012 12:45 PM EST up reply actions 7 recs
Mmmm, falsehoods…
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I love how Senators people are always so caught up in trying to slam the Leafs and their fans, yet us Leafs fans could give two flying fucks about what goes on with that organization because of how insignificant it is.
Best ironic comment is best.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jan 6, 2012 12:51 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Yeah, declaring how little you care by commenting is actually proof to the contrary. That’s why I read the Blaines story and then clicked “back” on my browser without commenting. No need to encourage the behavior.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 6, 2012 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
This is hipster-level irony.
yet us Leafs fans could give two flying fucks about what goes on with
So let’s ignore the fact that a Leaf blogger and his followers organised a ‘project’ to annoy Senators fans and the franchise; a project that reruired (and received) much attention and effort.
No, that’s not getting caught up slamming another fan base, not at all! Pshaw!
by StraightFromTHM on Jan 6, 2012 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
I just really wanted to see Dany Heatley be an allstar starter and not someone from an nbc/eastern canada market.
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Yeah, fuck NBC. What are they, like 5th in the ratings now? Heatley’s a fuggin All-Star.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jan 6, 2012 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
Heatley? So you would disagree
that the best in the leauge should be in the ASG. The poll results should please you.
by StraightFromTHM on Jan 6, 2012 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
Well, there’s only one host city at a time, and the Heatley fiasco makes Ottawa pretty ripe for pranking in that scenario. I think the same thing could easily have happened with Edmonton and Pronger if the setting was right.
There are a lot of Leafs fans who care about the Senators as if they were a rival for reasons I don’t really understand, but I wouldn’t paint the fanbase that way broadly (I’d wager a poll of all of us over, say 20, would find close to 100% preferring to hate the Habs). Hard to say the inverse is true when the team tries to ban Leaf jerseys from their building. Of course, it’s easier to understand on Ottawa’s side — the four playoff series that represent a fart in the wind of Leaf history make up most of the seasons the relatively young Senators franchise could have been called a contender. I’d get a bug up my ass about the team that stopped that from happening all those times too.
Summary: some rivalries are asynchronous, and that’s okay.
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Like the rivalry between the Leafs and the Bruins-top-rivals.
Good points.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jan 6, 2012 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
Heh. In my experience, Habs fans are pretty divided on whether they should consider the Leafs or Bruins their rivals. There are good historical cases for both. The Bruins win the “what have you done for me lately” test, but anyone who evaluates rivalries among fanbases that have existed for five generations based on the last three years is a stupid asshole. Can’t honestly say I know which side of that I’d fall on if I were a Hab fan, mostly because even imagining being a Hab fan gives me diarrhea.
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To be fair, the Bruins seem to have taken over as the Habs’ top rivals around 1970 or so. They’ve met in the playoffs so often since then, they’ve spent the past 30 years in the same division, the recent stuff since the Lucic/Komisarek fights, etc.
I’d argue that the asynchronous aspect of the Ottawa/Toronto rivalry is almost identical to the Toronto/Montreal situation, and furthermore, that Ottawa’s “other” rival is also the same Habs. I don’t recall a campaign called No Leafs No, despite the fact that a quick search of PPP archives would likely turn up Go Leafs Go as the number one phrase used on this site (number two most frequent? comments about the Sens).
You mentioned a wager, so perhaps we could begin to discuss terms of such a bet. I’d suggest a PPP archive search-based method.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jan 6, 2012 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
The historical rivalries have nearly always been MTL-BOS, and TOR-DET.
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Don’t believe the nonsense that Montreal doesn’t consider Toronto rivals. “The Hockey Sweater” isn’t about a Bobby Orr jersey.
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by Chemmy on Jan 6, 2012 1:46 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Facts aren’t important to people from Ottawa. They have their inferiority complex and bizarre narrative and they’re going all in.
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They really do though. Living in Ottawa, I hear Sens fans complain about Leafs fans “hijacking” the Leafs-Sens games, and also some muttering about how its only because their tickets cost so much in Toronto. I always ask, “so why don’t you guys just buy the tickets and go to the games yourselves?”
Was it 1979? Sorry.
It was set in the 50s. My bad.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jan 6, 2012 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
Like that time in Philadelphia when One-eyed Frank McGee (who had six eyes) shot lasers out of his eight eyes and laid waste to the entire Cleveland Barons roster and won the Ottawa Silver Seven the 1982 Stanley Cup, which happened in 1956.
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"But if someone so eager to engage into fist talk, we can always meet after season end in Minsk." (Mikhail Grabovski and a well-meaning but not particularly skillful translator) CERTIFIED GRABBO LOVER
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by jrwendelman on Jan 6, 2012 2:17 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
It’s a shame that his ninth and sixteenth eyes got him banned from the league.
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I remember when that happened – in 2045.
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"But if someone so eager to engage into fist talk, we can always meet after season end in Minsk." (Mikhail Grabovski and a well-meaning but not particularly skillful translator) CERTIFIED GRABBO LOVER
Twooting on Twitter: @warwalker
I am a stupid person. I should have checked my facts.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jan 6, 2012 2:31 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
never has an internet comment board been summed up so aptly
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 6, 2012 2:55 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Oh man imagine a TOR-MTL playoff series. That would be epic.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 6, 2012 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
Reason numero uno I’m excited about the new conference format.
Copious playoff series with Montreal and Buffalo.
Shit’s about to get real.
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Oh baby.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 6, 2012 1:50 PM EST up reply actions
1993
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by Sergei Puckizin on Jan 6, 2012 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
FIND KERRY FRASER AND BURN HIM ALIVE
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by SkinnyFish on Jan 6, 2012 1:52 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
START WITH HIS HAIR
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by SkinnyFish on Jan 6, 2012 1:52 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Burning would be too quick. First, mess up his hair and force him to look at it in a mirror.
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robbed of the single greatest cup final of our generation.
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by Sergei Puckizin on Jan 6, 2012 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
oh you kids…
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by Sergei Puckizin on Jan 6, 2012 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
with our hippin’ and our hoppin’ and our bippin’ and our boppin’, we don’t know what the jazz is all about.
by Goosemonster on Jan 6, 2012 2:00 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Problem
My mom is reverting to her Habs fan roots. Unfortunately, the sheen of the Gilmour and Sundin years has worn off. It’s an uphill battle from here on out.
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by Sergei Puckizin on Jan 6, 2012 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
And the sheen of cheering for a 13th place team hasn’t yet?
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by FiftyMissionCap on Jan 6, 2012 3:01 PM EST up reply actions
unfortunately, she doesn’t really “follow” hockey as we do. also, she had a stroke. so let’s chalk it up to that.
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by Sergei Puckizin on Jan 6, 2012 3:10 PM EST up reply actions
Moms are like that. My mom roots for a different football team every time the playoffs start.
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my dad was always the worst. unless it was a canada or blue jays game, (so for hockey or football, really) he’d openly cheer for the opposing team. giving ridiculous reasoning, like “i like the little green men”. he’s also british.
goddamn, how ever did i end up normal?
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by Sergei Puckizin on Jan 6, 2012 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
you didn’t
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 6, 2012 4:02 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
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by Sergei Puckizin on Jan 6, 2012 4:47 PM EST up reply actions
my mom doesn’t care at all about hockey but actively roots against kevin bieksa and the canucks because she taught him in high school and he’s ‘the biggest shithead i’ve ever taught in my life’.
That's "Da-ooo". I killed a turkey once, with a shovel.
Can I call up your mom to have her confirm the status of your statement, or is that off limits?
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 6, 2012 4:15 PM EST up reply actions
Neither of my parents really follow sports. The only time they really pay attention to hockey is when my father’s company has it’s hockey pool, in which they find new players to cheer for and then forget by July. It is rather amusing.
My Canadian grandfather was a solid Leafs fan, though. Being a man born in the 1910s, he hated just about everything Montreal. True story – he cheered for the Soviets when they played the Habs in the 70s.
So, apparently I can now be followed.. but no stalking. @alsonamedphil
my mom was a bruins fan, so I never had much snark about being a leafs fan since the bruins had a pretty long drought of their own.
by elseldo on Jan 6, 2012 4:20 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Also our rivalry with Montreal since they were awful from around 1995 until the year before the lockout, and the Leafs have been shit since the lockout.
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Still had some pretty “legendary” games with them the past few seasons.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 6, 2012 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
That one year where we knocked them out of hte playoffs on teh last day was pretty great.
Then the Islanders knocked us out the next.
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by T is for Truculence on Jan 6, 2012 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
i was watching that game with a Habs fan. best.
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by Sergei Puckizin on Jan 6, 2012 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
I’m also not really convinced it ever existed. I think I can count the number of people I’ve met other than at their home games who care about the Red Wings at all on one hand.
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I loathe the Red Wings.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 6, 2012 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
Mainly because there are lots of their fans is SW Ontario.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 6, 2012 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
Oh yeah.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 6, 2012 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
I hate them more.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 6, 2012 1:59 PM EST up reply actions
what about the Northsta…
nevermind.
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by Sergei Puckizin on Jan 6, 2012 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
Someone who cares
My dad and brother are Wings fans. My dad remained a fan even through 1970-1995, amazingly. He sometimes (rarely) coached me on staying vigilant with the Leafs during the post-lockout years (while the Wings were enjoying neverending success, of course).
I hate the Red Wings, and secretly envy Ken Holland’s business ethic. Guy’s a genius.
If I bled any more blue, you'd think I wasn't human.
I can respect your dad’s Wings fandom simply because he sat through some pretty terrible years.
If the Leafs won 4 Cups in 11 seasons after all that suffering, I’d feel I earned the right to be cocky.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Jan 6, 2012 3:04 PM EST up reply actions
The fact that it goes back to the 70s is why I include the Bruins in the “good historical reasons” camp. They’ve probably got more meaningful head-to-head hockey, but the direct clash of fanbases has been stronger between Leaf and Hab fans due to national borders and language politics (“Leaf fan” and “Hab fan” have been extensions of language based identity in Canada for a long time). Which of those matters more? I have no idea. I know my Hab hatred is largely fueled by the fact that everyone I grew up around who wasn’t a Leaf fan was a Hab fan.
I’m game to explore this wager further, but that method is no good. Plenty of fans of other teams comment here, which distorts the picture based on mentions, and the membership skews young.
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Agreed about the young demos in here. A poll of all Canadians would surely prove you right.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jan 6, 2012 1:55 PM EST up reply actions
Leaf history
Is history. The reason you hear ‘1967’ or ‘43 years’ or whatever it is now is that there are very few fans can genuinely remember the Leafs winning the Cup. So when we non-Leaf fans hear “we have the 2nd most Cups!”, we call bullshit because there were 6 teams and one round of playoffs before the final – it was easy to win. It’s bullshit when Sens fans claim the early Cup victories as well. The only Cup that matters is last years. Tyler Seguin can tell you that.
by StraightFromTHM on Jan 6, 2012 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
It was so easy to win the Cup with six teams that Boston, Chicago and New York won three each.
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by Chemmy on Jan 6, 2012 1:38 PM EST up reply actions 7 recs
I love how this same argument is used by Leafs fans against Habs fans.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jan 6, 2012 1:44 PM EST up reply actions
I’ve never made that argument, the Habs had some dominant teams. The only quibble would be that they had exclusive rights to French Canadian players, but whatever.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 6, 2012 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
I’d remind you that they had no territorial rights – they sponsored entire junior leagues throughout Quebec, the same way Toronto sponsored leagues throughout Ontario.
Poor Detroit and Chicago had to get their prospects from Western Canada, since most Ontarians and Quebecois were “signed” to the two best teams at the age of 14.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jan 6, 2012 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
Ah right, which helps explain why Toronto and Montreal were the superior Original Six teams.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 6, 2012 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
If ratios hold
Toronto should have around three in the last 20 years.
Oh well.
by StraightFromTHM on Jan 6, 2012 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
and ottawa still has zero
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 6, 2012 2:57 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
Yeah, but those obviously don’t matter, d’uh.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 6, 2012 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
The Cubs won a World Series
I guess that one matters right now.
by StraightFromTHM on Jan 6, 2012 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
What language are you speaking?
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I want to know the most appropriate to call you stupid.
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appropriate way*
I’ve lost all face.
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At least you had face to lose in the first place
by Self Destructive Zones on Jan 6, 2012 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
Two.
In a row. And you’re goddamn right they do.
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This line of arguing depresses me
/staresforlornlyatwrigleyfield
by Chi-town leafs on Jan 6, 2012 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
Well, matters in the sense that they won it, so yes.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 6, 2012 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
Really, what leg do you have to stand on here?
The Leafs have won 13 Stanley Cups, yes they were a long time ago, but they still count regardless of how “easy” you think it was for them to win them.
The Leafs have not won one since 1967, there have been points where they’ve been terrible, but there have also been points where they have been legitimate contenders. Most of us don’t follow the Leafs because we made a rational decision to cheer for the best hockey team. You’re not telling us anything we don’t already know and haven’t hear ad naseum for the last 5 years here.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 6, 2012 1:44 PM EST up reply actions
And even then, many teams have had major droughts since then. The Blues, Kings, Sabres, Canucks and Capitals all came into the league the next ten years. None of them have won a Cup. But, you don’t see people going “1970 LULZ!” to Buffalo fans or whatever.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Jan 6, 2012 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
I know the Sens haven’t been around forever, and that’s not your fault, but it must be tough missing half of what’s awesome about the major sports. The history is what gives the game character. Ken Burns must be rolling in his grave.
In the court of public opinion, Steve Simmons is Lionel Hutz.
Harold Ballard gave the Leafs character too.
So did Gordon Stuckless
by StraightFromTHM on Jan 6, 2012 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
lame troll is lame.
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by Sergei Puckizin on Jan 6, 2012 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
In the time of the original six team rosters were not of the same diluted quality they are now. It’s a lot harder to get a job when there are only six teams instead of 30.
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by T is for Truculence on Jan 6, 2012 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
What exactly do you say to fans of teams that have never won a cup? Because they have no fans that can remember a cup. Do you mock them relentlessly, too?
I bet you don’t.
So, apparently I can now be followed.. but no stalking. @alsonamedphil
What exactly do you say to fans of teams that have never won a cup?
Like a fan of the Ottawa Senators, say.
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by Chemmy on Jan 6, 2012 2:23 PM EST up reply actions 10 recs
BBBUUUUURRRRRRRRRRN!
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by Sergei Puckizin on Jan 6, 2012 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
Direct hit. BOOM.
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You sunk my battleship!
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by Sergei Puckizin on Jan 6, 2012 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
It’s ok I won twelve battleships in 1901.
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that wasn’t you, that was a navy you had no direct affiliation to except that you were born in the same city and stole their name!
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 6, 2012 2:59 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
but it isn’t chemmy’s navy!
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 6, 2012 3:00 PM EST up reply actions
The Holy Roman Empire (27 BC to 1806 AD)
Oh, I'm sorry, just one moment. Is this a five minute argument or the full half hour?
There is nothing about that that makes any historical sense.
by LeafInVancouver on Jan 6, 2012 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
Are you asking me for an explanation of the joke or do you believe that I posted those dates as an expression of fact?
Oh, I'm sorry, just one moment. Is this a five minute argument or the full half hour?
Just making sure it’s a joke. There seems to be a rash of Sens fans hereabouts today, and you know how they are with history.
by LeafInVancouver on Jan 6, 2012 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
Heh, no worries.
Let me ruin it by unpacking. The Roman Empire started in 27 BC; the Holy Roman Empire ended in 1806 AD (I’m not interested in arguing with Wikipedia right about now).
They have almost the same name, so who cares about 500 years in between, geography, essential nature, or constituent elements?
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Body blow, body blow, right hook. TKO. Onto Soda Poplinski.
TWEET AT ME BRO
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by FiftyMissionCap on Jan 6, 2012 3:14 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
rec’d for Punch Out! reference.
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by Sergei Puckizin on Jan 6, 2012 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, one of your best.
a tip of the hat to you Sir.
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by fair_n_hite_451 on Jan 6, 2012 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
If the only Cup that matters is last year’s, then why is 1967 even supposed to be an insult? Make up your mind.
And please, go ahead and continue saying stupid things like “Laffs” and “1967” like all the rest, so we can immediately stop reading anything else you have to say.
Yet another Leaf fan in Ottawa.
And every Original Six team, save for, Montreal has had a very long drought at some point, and Montreal’s is arguably beginning now (18 and counting….).
DETROIT- 1955-1997 (42)
CHICAGO- 1961-2010 (49)
BOSTON- 1972-2011 (39)
NY RANGERS- 1940-1994 (54)
TORONTO- 1967-pres (45 this year)
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by FiftyMissionCap on Jan 6, 2012 3:07 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
How did me commenting on Twitter that it would be funny to vote a bunch of ex-Sens to the ASG require a lot of effort?
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Commenting on Twitter?
You forget your own blog post and acceptance of media interviews. Yeah, no time spent at all.
by StraightFromTHM on Jan 6, 2012 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
What media interviews? An email I wrote to Wyshynski?
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Did Project Mayhem work? No, not even close, but it’s funny that:
A. I can make a comment on Twitter about something that would be funny and then write a 100 word post about it and be criticized for spending a ton of effort on something that didn’t work. I didn’t realize that while spitballing funny ideas the rest of the world had them come true.
B. A newspaper wrote about an idea I had one morning at work to call me a moron because it didn’t work without even bothering to email me.
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It should be clear to any regular Ottawa Sun reader that writing doesn’t necessarily take effort.
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I wrote a 150 word blog post about it, and my email to Wysh to respond to his questions was 225 words. OH THE EFFORT.
THE SUPERHUMAN TOIL.
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Three posts
now to say the same thing.
Stop not making an effort.
by StraightFromTHM on Jan 6, 2012 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
You sound like a 13 year old yelling that people “try too hard” when he loses at something.
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Try Hard With a Vengeance.
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by puckurgently on Jan 6, 2012 1:49 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Alright, I guess we should all just apologize to you and go home.
Oh wait, that’s not how the Internet works.
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by T is for Truculence on Jan 6, 2012 1:50 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, cuz that’s totally a falsifiable statement.
The only way to refute me is to not refute me.
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by Nirbo on Jan 6, 2012 1:50 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
History...
….you forget your own as a very regular contributor on a blog dedicated to the Battle of Ontario. All of us who have authored there are guilty of some obsession with the other team. You just refocussed yours.
by StraightFromTHM on Jan 6, 2012 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
Oh no I used to comment on pretty much the only blog with an active Leafs comment section.
What does that have to do with spending effort on Project Mayhem?
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It didn’t pan off partly because we found it funny, but many of us didn’t really care. I didn’t even vote for the ASG players because I find the whole thing a waste of my time during the season.
by Goosemonster on Jan 6, 2012 1:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Enough cared
to put mediocre Reimer into the mix.
by StraightFromTHM on Jan 6, 2012 1:44 PM EST up reply actions
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 6, 2012 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
seriously. fuck off.
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by Sergei Puckizin on Jan 6, 2012 1:47 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Yes that was part of our organized campaign to vote for Leafs, which none of us participated in or had any interest in.
Also I can only speak for myself but I think Tim Thomas is 100 times more deserving of Reimer and I didn’t see anyone here upset that he got in over Reimer.
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Was pretty embarrassed to see Reimer leading, actually. Big black eye for the fan base avoided with Thomas overtaking.
Oh, I'm sorry, just one moment. Is this a five minute argument or the full half hour?
That’s how I felt. Reimer doesn’t deserve the ASG.
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note, I have yet to see one sens fan say Alfredsson does not deserve to be there
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 6, 2012 3:01 PM EST up reply actions
Let’s be honest, if Toronto were hosting the All-Star game and Sundin was playing possibly his last season, we would vote the shit out of that thing.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 6, 2012 3:06 PM EST up reply actions
right, but if any Leafs fan said “sundin’s play this season, even though he isnt even among the top 60 forwards in the NHL is deserving of an allstar starting gig” I would call them a fucking liar
but i would also vote about 10000000000000000 times a day to make sure Mats got that call
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 6, 2012 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
I won’t dispute the Top-60 figure, but 31 points in 35 games is pretty good.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jan 6, 2012 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
st louis did 31 in 34 after getting his face shattered
I don’t even see him making the ASG
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 6, 2012 3:17 PM EST up reply actions
He used to get screwed by Vinny, and now it’ll be Stamkos taking the lone spot.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jan 6, 2012 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
I’d have been mildy ashamed to have Reimer voted in ahead of the greatest goalie in the game today. But yeah, Alfreddson, Michalek, and Spezza are way more deserving than Giroux, Kessel, and Stamkos.
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Kessel and Lupul are the highest scoring non-identical twin duo in the NHL, but yeah, Alfredsson and Michalek are way more deserving. Y’know, we’ll give Lupul a spot, maybe. If we feel like it.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Jan 6, 2012 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
I think Lupul’s odds got slimmer yesterday. Only about 9 spots open to non team leaders, but Lupul is on that short list for sure.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jan 6, 2012 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
If each of those chevrons represents a goalie between them, I still don’t think you’re disrespecting Reimer’s ability.
Oh, I'm sorry, just one moment. Is this a five minute argument or the full half hour?
Not at all, Reimer is a decent goalie and may yet prove to be a good one. Thomas is some kind of superhuman goalie. Not the same realm. He’s like a daerdric prince or something.
Rating Reimer at #31 in the league isn’t unreasonable.
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It’s not particularly reasonable either. Kid’s gotta be at least Top-25
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jan 6, 2012 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
He’s 8th in EV SV% for goalies with more than 9 starts.
He’s a top 10ish goaltender who’s getting torched on the PK.
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37th out of 46 eligible goalies for overall save percentage on NHL.com. I also believe he can do better, and a good deal of that belief stems from his ESSV%, but goals on the PK also count.
Oh, I'm sorry, just one moment. Is this a five minute argument or the full half hour?
ES SV% is a fairly reliable indicator of future performance. PK SV% is highly variable based on sample size issues and good old fashioned dumb luck.
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Can you point me towards the data on these assertions? Sounds reasonable but I’d love to see.
I’m open to the idea that Reimer can be a top-10 goalie, but I’m not automatically going to absolve him from a truly poor (second-last after DiPietro) PK performance unless you can convince me that it isn’t something a goalie can affect.
Naturally, he was almost .1 better last year on the PK while his EVSV% is virtually unchanged, so that certainly supports your argument.
Oh, I'm sorry, just one moment. Is this a five minute argument or the full half hour?
Go pull the PK SV% data and see where good goalies are.
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And for full context, last season in his unreal rookie year, he was 3rd- behind only Thomas and Luongo.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Jan 6, 2012 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
Also his ES SV% is virtually identical between last year and this year. His PK SV% is different by almost .100
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I live in Ottawa so I consider them a rival of sorts given that I go to the Leafs games here – Leafs games dominated by Leafs fans on average, not Sens fans. The “Stanley Cup” banners at the top of Scotiabank are particularly stupid and disingenuous.
Unfortunately the old Jets never won a damn thing, because I’m sure the new Jets would hang those banners in their rink.
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At the very least, you’re talking ~15 years ago with ~90 years ago. But yeah.
Also, what’s up with having a centaurian guard on your jersey, but calling yourself the Senators? Why don’t they have an old man in a robe on their jerseys?
Now, now.
Fergus herself has already taught us that many Roman Senators were also Centurions or whatever. I don’t even know. But that girl knows her history and she’ll tell you that the costume can be historically accurate.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jan 6, 2012 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
They can't even speak braille.
At least it's not Lebda.
by Nifty Mittens on Jan 6, 2012 5:00 PM EST up reply actions
Jacques Demers is an actual Senator, not an Ottawa Senator.
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by clrkaitken on Jan 6, 2012 1:54 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
The Atlanta Thrashers won the Southeast division that one year. I guess they could make a banner out of that.
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by T is for Truculence on Jan 6, 2012 1:52 PM EST up reply actions
As well, they should. I don’t know why Ottawa shouldn’t celebrate the old team’s history. You think the Blues are going to do it?
The team pioneered hockey for 51 years, winning 8 Cups, as one of the most dominant teams of the era. That deserves recognition. I’d even go so far as to say that the league and the city should promote the history more.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jan 6, 2012 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
Because Ottawa is an important location in the development of hockey.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jan 6, 2012 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
That’s one of the most illogical explanations I’ve heard yet. Native Americans were critical to the development of hockey through lacrosse and other games, shoudl we just give them the pre 1870s Championships?
Sorry you feel that way. Didn’t mean to be illogical.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jan 6, 2012 2:26 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t think that’s what he’s suggesting.
I’ve read some of Spezzal’s stuff on this, and he makes a cogent case. My only issue is that it’s a thin line between celebrating and co-opting.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 6, 2012 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
Putting the banners in your stadium, implying your team is directly tied to those seems a hell of a lot like co-opting to me.
It is unfortunate that they named the team the Senators. Even if the old club was only nicknamed Senators by the press, I didn’t like it when they christened the new team.
The Jets was even worse.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jan 6, 2012 2:35 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t have a problem with the name for either, I have a problem with claiming the history. Also ~15 is not equal to a team that existed ~90 years ago.
Sorry, but what does the 15 stand for?
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jan 6, 2012 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
Ah the Jets. Sorry.
But yeah, I don’t like the name, because Shane Doan’s team is still around.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jan 6, 2012 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah but to be fair, when the Cleveland Browns came back, I’m sure a lot of their former players were still on the Baltimore Ravens roster since 3 years had elapsed or so.
I mean, that involved a legal case and such, but still.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Jan 6, 2012 3:22 PM EST up reply actions
That was weird. The city actually paid Modell (?) for the “history” of the team, like they knew they’d be getting a new team.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jan 6, 2012 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
Just consider yourself lucky they didn’t try to cash in on some popular movie from the early 90s, else you’d be the Ottawa Heavyweights.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 6, 2012 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
I still sometimes think of the oddest thing when I hear the name Raptors – the cups at McDonald’s when Jurassic Park (or was it the sequel?) came out. I don;t know why I make that association so often.
Also, who here remembers when McDonald’s ran a Taste of the Month and that month they served the Jurassic Triple Burger.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jan 6, 2012 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
This is why they should never name expansion teams after fad movie things, ever.
Imagine if Toronto got an NBA team in the 1980s; what would they be, the Gremlins? The Alfs? The ETs?
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by FiftyMissionCap on Jan 6, 2012 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
I’d a culled ’em The Colour Purple
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jan 6, 2012 3:26 PM EST up reply actions
Five of those Cups came pre-NHL. In the NHL era one of them came in a year that four teams played in the NHL.
If the Leafs cups don’t matter because there were only six teams and it was forty years ago…
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by Chemmy on Jan 6, 2012 2:09 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I don’t like it when Leafs fans mock Montrealers for bragging about old dynasties, and I don’t like it the other way either.
Leafs should be proud of their early 60s dynasty, and their late 40s dynasty.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jan 6, 2012 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
…and we are. I don’t know anyone that begrudges the Habs their Cups.
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by Sergei Puckizin on Jan 6, 2012 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
Leafs fans have no inferiority complex about the Habs’ Cups like other teams fans have about the Leafs’ Cups.
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by Sergei Puckizin on Jan 6, 2012 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
My personal view is in the present, these dynasties cease to matter. If we can’t be happy with our Cups, then Montreal fans can’t brag about 24 Cups much either.
I mean, I’m turning 25. The Habs have won one Cup in my lifetime, and I was 6 at the time. A kid graduating high school this year will have never been alive when the Habs won a Cup.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Jan 6, 2012 3:26 PM EST up reply actions
By that logic, Winnipeg has 5. Toronto another 2. Montreal another 20. Vancouver 1. If Seattle gets a team, they’ll have one.
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Actually, if I wasn’t so slow and so swamped with replies, I’d tell you all about my NHL alternate history that assigns teams like the Millionaires and the Mets to current franchises.
It’s kinda interesting, to me anyway.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jan 6, 2012 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
Celebrating and Co-Opting are two different things. I agree with the principle though.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 6, 2012 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
Well the fact that they are currently pushing the whole 20th anniversary thing suggests they didn’t copt anything.
The Leafs and the 1918 Cup, on the other hand ….
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jan 6, 2012 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
So if Phoenix wins something does the new Winnipeg get to celebrate that too?
That's "Da-ooo". I killed a turkey once, with a shovel.
The NHL will schedule a home and home between the teams so both teams can raise a banner
by Chi-town leafs on Jan 6, 2012 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
Nobody mocks better than you guys. That’s what keeps me coming back.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jan 6, 2012 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
Uh oh
Somebody found the blog…
I don’t know how organized we were. Chemmy made some jokes on Twitter, wrote a post, and then didn’t do anything.
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by PPP on Jan 6, 2012 7:14 PM EST up reply actions
For me the issue is the “impartiality” and “professionalism” members of the MSM allegedly posses.
I realize that fan voting is what it is and if the All-Star game were in Toronto I’d expect there to be 5 Leafs named starters. But do even try to suggest that Kessel and Lupul “maybe” deserve to be All-Stars is actually insane and obviously biased.
Some days bloggers are more objective than “journalists”.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 6, 2012 1:20 PM EST reply actions
There are bad journalists. There are also bad bloggers. I’d say the demographic split between smart and dumb in the MSM, as it is with the Barilkosphere, is about the same as it is in the general human population.
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by T is for Truculence on Jan 6, 2012 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
Who reads the Sun, anyway?
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I thought you weren’t supposed to look at it for more than a few seconds else you’d go blind.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 6, 2012 1:53 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
No, you’ll just wish you had.
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by The Bag on Jan 6, 2012 1:54 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
People send us links to crap that we don’t read. Usually we ignore it but sometimes we like to blog about things.
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by PPP on Jan 6, 2012 7:14 PM EST up reply actions
I have heard so many people say they don’t care about the all star game, but man has it been all over the place. I don’t care about the fact that Sens fans vote in whoever they want, whatever. The only thing I would care about was whether or not the NHL had their hand in the ballot box.Here are some figures for the voting:
Alfie total on Friday- 537,918 Final- 897,055
Increase- 359,137
Michalek total on Friday- 448,074 Final- 743,977
Increase- 295,903
Spezza total on Friday- 486,004 Final- 817,483
Increase- 331,479
Karllson total on Friday- 585,179 Final- 939,591
Increase- 354,412
Gonchar total on Friday- 359,478 Final- 603,628
Increase- 244,150
Kessel total on Friday- 592,339 Final- 701,833
Increase- 109,494
I’m not saying it was fixed, because I like to hope it wasn’t. The one thing that pops out at me is this: Most people that are voting for Alfie are Sens’ fans. I think that’s a safe assumption. He is not an all star this year. People in Ottawa want him in. That’s cool. People in Ottawa also don’t want Leafs in. That’s fine too. I would assume then that since they are putting Alfie on their ballot, they would put Milan Michalek there as well, seeing as he was 5th last friday just behind Crosby. The only thing is that we see from the numbers that Alfie got 63,234 more votes in the last week of voting than Michalek did. I just find it really hard to believe that 63,234 ballots got filled out with Alfie but not Michalek, who is currently tied for 6th on goals, even having played less games than all those ahead of him. A vote for Alfie is obviously sentimental. He’s older, slower, not as productive, and not as good of a player as he used to be. Michalek is probably an all star based on his play this season. Why the hell would a Sens’ fan vote Alfie but not Michalek? Why the fuck would anyone but Sens’ fans vote Alfie? It just seems odd to me that’s all.
by joe leaf fan on Jan 6, 2012 2:17 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
FTFY
Maybe some Sens fans just sat in theirbasementunisex hair salon all week voting.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 6, 2012 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
His point is that if Sens fans were ballot stuffing that Michalek would have gone up with Alfredsson.
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Do remember: You could also vote by text message and i bet you a lot of sens fans can’t spell Michalek (also there is two of them)
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by Back In Black on Jan 6, 2012 2:52 PM EST up reply actions
Ultimate irony:
Celebrating your 20th anniversary, while claiming that a Cup from 80 years ago is also yours.
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by Chemmy on Jan 6, 2012 2:27 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
do-it-yourself history!
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by Sergei Puckizin on Jan 6, 2012 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
The one thing that makes me nostalgic for the early 90s was San Jose and Ottawa playing in like 4,000 seat stadiums. It’d be dope as hell if an expansion team played NHL hockey in a tiny building. I’d fly to where ever that was to see it.
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I saw a Sharks game at the Cow Palace in the early nineties (PAT FALLOON=GRETZKY 2.0 !!!). It was small, but larger than 4000 seats, I think. Wikipedia has the capacity at +/- 11k, FWIW.
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by jrwendelman on Jan 6, 2012 2:35 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I went to Vegas a couple years back for the Kings/Avs pre-seasoner they always do at MGM. Small joint, guessing about 12,000 capacity for hockey. Awesome.
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by Sergei Puckizin on Jan 6, 2012 2:37 PM EST up reply actions
I was not fortunate enough to ever see the Sens play at the Civic Centre. That arena is the most bizarre piece of architecture in the OHL.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jan 6, 2012 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
IT’S UNDER A FOOTBALL STADIUM!!! HOW ARE THEY STILL PLAYING THERE?
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 6, 2012 2:39 PM EST up reply actions
I dont know but I will hopefully attend a game or two of the 67s vs. the Sting (to see Yakupov) and against London (McKegg)
Any Leafs prospects in the Q?
I love this location for the sheer volume of visiting CHL teams.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jan 6, 2012 2:47 PM EST up reply actions
The Leafs don’t have a single prospect playing in the Q
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Like Burke would draft anyone there.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 6, 2012 2:48 PM EST up reply actions
I hope we get Nathan MacKinnon when he becomes of age. I like that kid.
by Tickle Me Aulie on Jan 6, 2012 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
Not that I know of. I dont think we’ve drafted a kid from the Q since Burke. I’m not sure how strong a league it is these days.
The last player from the Q the Leafs drafted was Joel Champagne.
Judging by how that ended I don’t really blame Burke.
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DiDomenico before or after Champagne?
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jan 6, 2012 2:55 PM EST up reply actions
I regret that that never happened when the playoff series were happening. That would have been ridiculous.
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by PPP on Jan 6, 2012 7:16 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I remember. NHL hockey in a junior-hockey sized arena! That would be cool again.
Now it’s “build arena first, then get team”. Lame.
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by Sergei Puckizin on Jan 6, 2012 2:37 PM EST up reply actions
Wow. Haven’t thought about “Fat Balloon” in years. He was Kyle Wellwood before Kyle Wellwood ate Pittsburgh.
This space for rant...
by fair_n_hite_451 on Jan 6, 2012 2:41 PM EST up reply actions
Pretty sure I still have the game program somewhere, which pimps him pretty hard to the SJ crowd. I also seem to remember it emphasizing Johan Garpenlov and Jeff Hackett.
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I remember getting his rookie card and being totally psyched….then I saw him play. sigh
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by PPP on Jan 6, 2012 7:16 PM EST up reply actions
That’s simple: They claimed those other cups using adverse possession.
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by Sergei Puckizin on Jan 6, 2012 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
Another interesting thing that apparently happened is that the hosts of the morning show on TEAM 1200 in Ottawa found out that you didn’t need a real email address to vote, and mentioned it on air with two days left.
Yet another Leaf fan in Ottawa.
Let's reminisce.
Why we be fightin’?
Let’s all grab some ‘pops’ and share our memoriesof the Leafs in a Stanley Cup game.
Unfortunately we’re unable to reciprocate since everyone who could remember the last time an Ottawa team won the Cup jumped off a roof when the market crashed in 1929.
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by clrkaitken on Jan 6, 2012 2:48 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
This is tragically accurate. The teams fortunes pre- and post- 1929 sadden me still.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jan 6, 2012 2:50 PM EST up reply actions
Well it’s not entirely accurate as very few people actually committed suicide by jumping out of buildings during the depression.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 6, 2012 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
It’s entirely accurate because even 80 years ago no one gave a shit about the Senators.
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by clrkaitken on Jan 6, 2012 2:52 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Can we talk about this instead?
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 6, 2012 2:48 PM EST up reply actions 12 recs
Record
Most Cup-Clinching goals scored by a Senator: Chris Phillips.
Never forget. (Rob Niedermayer forechecks the Senators so well they score on themselves)
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This is always a hilarious argument with my buddy (a Sens fan) and I:
Leafs haven’t even been in a Cup Final since ’67!
Yeah, because the Sens have been in, what, one? And you really did some damage in that series!
……
But, I’ll give you this: I can’t brag about a Leaf scoring the Cup-winning goal, so you’ve got that going for you.
….dammit.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Jan 6, 2012 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
That’s a thousand pretty fucking funny words, right there.
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Cool.
A colour photo of the Senators in a Stanley Cup game. Now show us one of your team, in this thread which is about your team.
by StraightFromTHM on Jan 6, 2012 7:42 PM EST up reply actions
Since you say so
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by Frag on Jan 6, 2012 7:44 PM EST up reply actions 7 recs
Oh
And we won that series, too.
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I wouldn't remember that photo
Because I’m only 37
by StraightFromTHM on Jan 6, 2012 7:48 PM EST up reply actions
What does that say about the Senators?
I can’t remember anything related to the Senators other than a Chris Phillips own goal in the Stanley Cup final and the Leafs 4-0 series record against the Sens in the postseason.
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You can't remember the Sens in the SCF
But you can remember the leafs in the post season?
That’s called Alzheimer’s
by StraightFromTHM on Jan 6, 2012 7:52 PM EST up reply actions
That own goal? you know, the Stanley Cup clincher by Chris Phillips he mentioned? I assume that happened in the SCF.
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You get the trophy
For first Leaf related post in this thread
by StraightFromTHM on Jan 6, 2012 7:47 PM EST up reply actions
Now that’s how you dress for a hockey game. Too bad the platinums at the ACC is the only place left where people don’t feel the need to dress like 1993 Snoop Dogg.
Amirite, daoust?
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jan 6, 2012 7:49 PM EST up reply actions
18 players. That’s all ya need. People aren’t paying to see the 19th-23rd best players on the team.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jan 6, 2012 7:51 PM EST up reply actions
Can you guarantee that it’ll be a good time?
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by SkinnyFish on Jan 6, 2012 2:59 PM EST up reply actions 7 recs
Oh boy, what a comment.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 6, 2012 3:00 PM EST up reply actions
Oh hey, I remember this guy!
HEY EVERYONE, ITS THIS GUY!
sup guy?
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 6, 2012 3:03 PM EST up reply actions
20+ replies, all focussed on the Sens. hm.
by StraightFromTHM on Jan 6, 2012 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
OH GEE I’M SO SURPRISED THEY ALL WEREN’T ABOUT KITTENS
Yet another Leaf fan in Ottawa.
by Adzbass on Jan 6, 2012 3:15 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This was really funny. We hear at PPP Heavy Industries and Kitten Ranching GmBH appreciate the use of kittens.
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by PPP on Jan 6, 2012 7:18 PM EST up reply actions
Kitten ranching?
Of course you need to raise kittens; your readers kill so many.
by StraightFromTHM on Jan 6, 2012 7:46 PM EST up reply actions
Small price to pay for some good lovin’.
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Screw kittens! Puppies all the way!
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There are 5 puppies in that gif
Enough for a PK that is better than the Leafs’.
by StraightFromTHM on Jan 6, 2012 7:50 PM EST up reply actions
I’m pretty sure five Corgi puppies would be the best PK in the league. Everyone but Carcillo would have the overwhelming urge to stop and play with them.
by LeafInVancouver on Jan 6, 2012 7:51 PM EST up reply actions
Everyone but Carcillo and Cooke would have the overwhelming urge to stop and play with them.
fixed
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I see 12 replies, and that’s how chirping works, you made an insult, terrible as it may have been, we all responded with one of our own.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 6, 2012 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
Of course, if he didn’t get as many replies as expected, then the reason he wins changes to everyone being scared. Just so long as the goalposts are on either side of the puck when we check, it doesn’t matter what moved, or when.
Oh, I'm sorry, just one moment. Is this a five minute argument or the full half hour?
Even if we don’t care about a team, we’re more than happy to make fun of them at the drop of a hat. You must be new around here.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Jan 6, 2012 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
True story: Leafs won that game.
So, apparently I can now be followed.. but no stalking. @alsonamedphil
I would just like to say that I care about the Sens. I’m not gonna lie and say they’re insignificant and who cares. I hate ‘em. I wish they would come last every year with a 0-82 record and every game they played the Leafs they lost 10-0. Fuck their so-called cups from 1000 years ago and their finals appearance that was ended by Chris Phillips’ only Stanley Cup Winning goal of his life. Fuck the Sens.
by joe leaf fan on Jan 6, 2012 2:52 PM EST reply actions 6 recs
I'm rec'ing this because it's the only honest comment by any Leaf fan ever.
by StraightFromTHM on Jan 6, 2012 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
17 comments at Silver Seven Sens, 15 comments at PPP. Your comment ratio is actually still better than most trolls.
Oh, I'm sorry, just one moment. Is this a five minute argument or the full half hour?
i have more comments here than DBTB…
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I can’t call THM a troll, mostly as old school BoO aquantiance, but he does stir the pot well don’t he?
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 6, 2012 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
not as bad as Arctic ice, why don’t we have a resident Jets fan yet?
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 6, 2012 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
Food is sparse on the tundra, they need to hunt constantly to keep their winter stores up.
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I really like Arctic Ice.
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by PPP on Jan 6, 2012 7:19 PM EST up reply actions
Its hard to find more than 20 Sabres fans that aren’t total morons apparently.
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some how broad street hockey did it…which begs the question, why arn’t you there more?
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 6, 2012 3:29 PM EST up reply actions
my first stalker!
I comment on other nonSB Sens blogs. What’s my ratio there?
by StraightFromTHM on Jan 6, 2012 3:12 PM EST up reply actions
A billion probably.
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by PPP on Jan 6, 2012 7:19 PM EST up reply actions
Teams I hate in order:
Habs
Red Wings
Sabres
That’s pretty much it. I used to hate the Bruins, but man are they ever an amazing hockey team, you just can’t hate that. They’re on a whole other level right now, it’s like people who hate on Crosby for no reason.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 6, 2012 3:08 PM EST up reply actions
If I’m going for historicity (within my lifetime):
Sens
Habs
Boston
If I’m going over the past few years:
Habs
Boston
Sens
Sens are there still because I live in Ottawa, I deal with the dozens of Sens fans daily. And for historicity (probably not even a word), I came into my own watching the Leafs clobber them in the playoffs each time we met.
If you asked me in highschool Sens would be up there, as would the Devils. Things can change based on playoff series and whatnot.
But I will always always hate the Habs and Wings.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 6, 2012 3:31 PM EST up reply actions
ive always hated the Bruins, i’ve had good friends my whole life who were bruins fans
Resident Internet Tough Guy
by JaredFromLondon on Jan 6, 2012 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
My list:
Canucks
Habs
Sens
Bruins
Canucks
Sabres
Hurricane
by LeafInVancouver on Jan 6, 2012 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
makes sense if you live in Vancouver, I’ve met few Vancouver fans that don’t have a healthy dose of smug.
I have a very large sample size, and those who aren’t smug and prone to “1967!” like to respond to the sight of a Leafs jersey with threat of physical violence.
The most enduring anecdote I have for why I can’t stand the Canucks is when a fan of theirs, who is otherwise an alright guy and coworker, said, “If the Leafs’ Cups count, then WWII is your fault for not killing Hitler.”
by LeafInVancouver on Jan 6, 2012 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
What is that supposed to mean?
Conn Smythe devoted countless resources to the war effort, not to mention the damage he had already inflicted upon the Kaiser.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jan 6, 2012 3:48 PM EST up reply actions
It means that things that happened in a different era don’t count in the modern era. He meant “you” as in the singular person he was talking to. Me.
Basically it’s a particularly bizarre justification for the Canucks never having won a Cup being okay/better than the Leafs winning 11 during the Original Six era.
by LeafInVancouver on Jan 6, 2012 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
Bizarre, indeed.
You guys all revere Smythe for his work with the Leafs, but every Canadian owes him a few debts of gratitude for, among other things, his role in the country’s military preparedness.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jan 6, 2012 3:55 PM EST up reply actions
See, this is why we let you stay…
This space for rant...
by fair_n_hite_451 on Jan 7, 2012 1:39 AM EST up reply actions
Fine
My list:
Dallas
Carolina
Detriot
Philly (though now there’s no more Mike Richards so i may have to re-evaluate)
Quebec
Mike Weber Pressbox Incarceration Status: Free to roam the blueline.
"Ville Leino may stink but he’s still way better than Matt Ellis."
I also hate them because they might exist and stick us with a stupid 8-team division, which pushed them over the top.
Mike Weber Pressbox Incarceration Status: Free to roam the blueline.
"Ville Leino may stink but he’s still way better than Matt Ellis."
He’s hating them now, so that when the league moves in to Quebec, he can tell everyone that he hated QC before it was cool to hate them.
RIP Former-and-forever Leaf Wade Belak
Me on Twitter
I did it with Drew Stafford too but no one believed me.
Mike Weber Pressbox Incarceration Status: Free to roam the blueline.
"Ville Leino may stink but he’s still way better than Matt Ellis."
drew stafford no longer exists?
Resident Internet Tough Guy
by JaredFromLondon on Jan 6, 2012 3:56 PM EST up reply actions
First ever hipster to come out of Rochester.
Cynically Sarcastic
Сертыфікаваны Grabbo Палюбоўнік
by clrkaitken on Jan 6, 2012 4:04 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I would dislike the Sens much less if not for their fanbase. Thank you for reaffirming that stance.
Yet another Leaf fan in Ottawa.
I’m with mf37: I don’t hate the Sens. The hammer doesn’t hate the nail.
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The nail usually doesn’t spend so much time running its mouth; it quietly accepts what it knows is coming.
RIP Former-and-forever Leaf Wade Belak
Me on Twitter
by Bower Power on Jan 6, 2012 3:41 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I have just come across more Sens fans in my lifetime then Habs fans, making my hate for the Sens stronger I think.
Also Habs fans seem more rational, they know when their team sucks, Sens fans, not so much.
Exhibit A. This season
Bleeding Blue and White since '88
Where’d you meet all these dirty Sens fans? Some kind of convention?
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jan 6, 2012 4:00 PM EST up reply actions
there used to be a band wagon that ran through ontario, but i haven’t seen it since 07
Resident Internet Tough Guy
by JaredFromLondon on Jan 6, 2012 4:02 PM EST up reply actions 9 recs
Tim Banes
calling Phanuef’s inclusion a joke warrants a youtube video rebuttal. DION SMASH!
by holymackinaw on Jan 6, 2012 4:03 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
as man I missed the send trolls (stp doesn’t really count)
by elseldo on Jan 6, 2012 4:29 PM EST via Android app reply actions
As man you missed the send trolls? Did you not miss them as a boy?
Also, it’s “”https://posernat.dot5hosting.com/store/catalog/images/thumbnail2.jpg" target="new">Sand Troll", not “Send Troll”.
by LeafInVancouver on Jan 6, 2012 4:38 PM EST up reply actions
He’d usinf Amdroib.
Oh, I'm sorry, just one moment. Is this a five minute argument or the full half hour?
by Nirbo on Jan 6, 2012 4:40 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
damn auto correct and fat fingers. where’s my dialing wand?
by elseldo on Jan 6, 2012 4:42 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Must be lost somewhere under your moo-moo
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Jan 6, 2012 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
hmmm….I may have dropped it into my garbage bag of popcorn
by elseldo on Jan 6, 2012 4:44 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
you have to mash the keypad with your palm.
Charter member - Grabbo Lover's Union, Local 84
by Sergei Puckizin on Jan 6, 2012 4:47 PM EST up reply actions
So as far as tonight goes.
GO Panthers, GO Canes, and GO Rangers!
Bleeding Blue and White since '88
I didn’t know there was hockey on nights the Leafs don’t play.
No one ever suspects the butterfly...
by Caleafornia on Jan 6, 2012 5:52 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Does anyone else watch this guys videos? He’s hilarious.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkdjQJwBN5I&list=UUbrOpxWGY5sJ5Eh1xXFwQlA&feature=plcp
Bleeding Blue and White since '88
Meh, not bad. I guess. For a dirty Sens fan, at least.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jan 6, 2012 6:19 PM EST up reply actions
Yup…… Kessel and Lupul “maybe” belong in the All-Star game. If Baines (banal or painful…. maybe shameful?) was smart enough to be a ‘quality’ sports troll, he could have dripped some intelligent sarcasm into his article. Instead, he just sounds like another vacuous homer. The Kessel/Lupul combo is the best one-two punch in the NHL, followed closely by the Sedins, so pretending they’re marginal inclusions is just plain silly. Even beyond Toronto, I wish other big market teams would have motivated their voting base, as the Leafs, Philly and NYR have more than enough horsepower to dwarf (not a Canadiens reference) those Ottawa chumps.
"pugnacity, testosterone, truculence and belligerence, That's how our teams play." Brian Burke, before realizing that it's a new era, and goons sip coffee in the press box.
He was just stroking the Ottawa ego.
And then he was just cradling the balls
At least it's not Lebda.
by Nifty Mittens on Jan 6, 2012 7:42 PM EST up reply actions
I blame the PPP site for this
As the main internet hub for Leaf fan presence you guys definitely dropped the ball on this. It was a cold hard internet war and WE lost. How does that tiny fan base out vote this one??
PPP regulars should all look at themselves in the mirror and reflect on what went wrong. I know I voted….for OUR OWN.
This is not meant as an insult, just a pep talk to pull up yer socks boys and girls.
I know Kessel would agree.
by Johnny Bower's Pokecheck on Jan 6, 2012 7:26 PM EST reply actions
I voted for Brad Ross. At least forty times.
by LeafInVancouver on Jan 6, 2012 7:28 PM EST up reply actions
I also live in Vancouver
Do you get an unreasonable amount of hate when walking around town in leafs paraphenalia as well?
by Johnny Bower's Pokecheck on Jan 6, 2012 7:30 PM EST up reply actions
Good lord yes. So I do it as often as possible. :D
by LeafInVancouver on Jan 6, 2012 7:35 PM EST up reply actions
there’s like 1000 people that might post here. Ottawa has a lot more bandwagon fans than this site has users. How the fuck is PPP the entire Leafs fanbase? If the entire Leafs fanbase voted it would look something like :
Kessel : 9 098 908 votes
Alfredsson : 700 000 votes
and then once the Sens fans got their 8 votes in it’ d be
Kessel 9 098 908
Alfredsson : 700 008
I used to love the Leafs... I still do... but I used to, too.
Title
Only the Ottawa Senators’ 111 per cent increase was better, though the Sens’ improvement at least provided some logic for its 153,000 average.
Hockey Night in Canada’s early game, which usually put the Leafs in the national spotlight, averaged a record 1.8 million viewers
Leafs win for fan base. by a flying fucktonne
At least it's not Lebda.
by Nifty Mittens on Jan 6, 2012 10:09 PM EST up reply actions
Don’t blame me. I voted for Kodos.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jan 6, 2012 8:56 PM EST up reply actions
Just my opinions...
Most people dont give a fuck about the All star game – and even less give a fuck about the All star game in Ottawa.
Let them have their 4 (and at least 2 bogus) all star starters – at least they will have something to ‘celebrate.’
Also, the whole idea of ‘fan balloting’ is stupid.
"You have to learn the rules of the game. And then you have to play better than anyone else."
Albert Einstein
by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jan 7, 2012 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
I’m a little confused by this. After the realignment was approved by the Board of Governors, Bettman said that the league didn’t need the union’s blessing (according to an article on TSN.ca). Now all of a sudden he says that the league can’t go through with the realignment because the union won’t allow it. In any case, it looks like the union is trying to flex their muscles ahead of the upcoming CBA negotiations.
Article
I am a die hard Sens fan, and I will agree with everybody on here that Baines’ article is incredibly dim-witted. The man makes no logical sense, and just seems to relish in the fact that 4 of his teams’ players have been voted in incited by a rally by the Mayor in the downtown core of the city to encourage the citizens to vote.
What we do have to realize is, nobody needs to get mad. This is a meaningless game that is voted by the fans, for the fans. The fact that 4 Senator players were voted in means nothing. The fact that the event is being hosted by a city that has the privilege to see 4 of their players play due to a strong fanbase does.
It’s really all in the spirit of fun. Nobody needs to get angry.
I’m a die hard Sens fan, but I know not to be biased. And that article was downright atrocious. It’s hard to believe such garbage publications can make newspapers nowadays. Good grief.
by sensfan12 on Jan 6, 2012 9:50 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
If Toronto hosts the all-star game and the fans don’t stuff the ballot I’ll be pretty damn disappointed.
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by PPP on Jan 7, 2012 4:45 AM EST up reply actions
2017 let the stuffing begin!
"You have to learn the rules of the game. And then you have to play better than anyone else."
Albert Einstein
by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jan 7, 2012 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
More captions!!
At least it's not Lebda.
by Nifty Mittens on Jan 6, 2012 11:12 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
A real man loves his woman every day of the month.
At least it's not Lebda.
by Nifty Mittens on Jan 6, 2012 11:20 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
Mother of god.
The Leafs are my Rushmore
Certified Grabbo Lover and member of the PPPPP
I also write things about stuff over at the Leafs Nation
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 7, 2012 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
Phanuef is a better vampire then crosby will ever be.
At least it's not Lebda.
by Nifty Mittens on Jan 6, 2012 11:21 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
“Seriously where’s my fucking stick? Where are you going with my stick? You’re not even a defenseman.”
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Dion’s just doing his part to help the Means of Production line get blood from a puck.
by Screaming Will on Jan 7, 2012 12:46 AM EST up reply actions
Phaneuf does his best Ozzy Osbourne impression after eating Brian Gionta’s head.
Bleeding Blue and White since '88
by Joe Ferguson on Jan 7, 2012 4:24 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
After Shannahan banned all physical contact in hockey, Leafs captain Dion Phanuef found an alternative.
Eating the entire opposing team.
At least it's not Lebda.
by Nifty Mittens on Jan 7, 2012 8:08 AM EST up reply actions
5 Minute Major for Mike Tyson-ing
At least it's not Lebda.
by Nifty Mittens on Jan 7, 2012 8:23 AM EST up reply actions
Blood from a stone? Fuck yeah.
I shot a moose once, in upstate New York.
by not norm ullman on Jan 7, 2012 10:04 AM EST up reply actions
Wow
But at 7:15 p.m. at the iconic Geno’s Steaks located at 1200 South 9th St., violence broke out between hockey fans. Three unknown males wearing Philadelphia Flyers jerseys paid a homeless man to spray two New York Rangers fans with some kind of cleaning substance, according to MyFoxPhilly.com. After an altercation, they then began sucker-punching them and pummeling them as they lay on the ground.
According to NBC’s New York affiliate, one of the injured Rangers fans was an off-duty New Jersey police officer and former Marine who was awarded a Purple Heart in Iraq.
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I really hateour speciesmost sports fans in Philadelphia sometimes
by Chi-town leafs on Jan 7, 2012 10:07 AM EST up reply actions
Go Flyers!
Resident Internet Tough Guy
by JaredFromLondon on Jan 7, 2012 5:44 AM EST up reply actions
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