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by SkinnyFish on Feb 1, 2012 7:05 AM EST
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I’m trying to remember exactly when, but at some point in this space last season I asked if Grabovski had become a top-10 NHL center. As I recall, some said yes but others thought that was a bit Leafcentric-sounding and not realistic, given the number of truly elite centers that there are in the league.Former NHL coach Marc Crawford seemed to suggest last night on TSN that Grabovski was now in that elite group. I’m not sure if that’s the case. I guess it depends on what we mean by elite, eh? (We sure didn’t think so six weeks ago, when Grabbo seemed to be trying hard, but was not making much happen through the first 30 or so games of the current season…)Heck, now the guy may be named the NHL Player of the Month for January (a made-up award in this modern-era, but what the heck, people seem to pay attention to these things) and he clearly has been a big part of any success the Leafs have had in recent weeks. So, you’ve all watched him play—where does he fit in the pantheon of NHL frontline centers?.................
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the better grabbo plays, the more i want the leafs to keep him, however at the same time it makes him more attractive for a trade! what to do, what to do….?
WE RESIGN HIM FOR 4 TO 4.5 IF POSSIBLE...... HE NEEDS TO BE RESIGNED......SOMEHOW
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by LeafsLaughToo on Feb 1, 2012 7:41 AM EST up reply actions
Unless someone overpays....and by over pays. I mean OVERPAYS
Grabbo wants to be in TO. To should want Grabbo..
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by LeafsLaughToo on Feb 1, 2012 7:43 AM EST up reply actions
His counting numbers over the last couple of years have been remarkably similar to Umberger’s. I think somewhere in the Umberger-Plekanec range is the most likely.
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No one has heart & loyalty for the Leafs like Grabbo. I want him resigned and not included in any trade packages at all.
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by KeepBeLeafing on Feb 1, 2012 8:40 AM EST up reply actions
Elite eh?
Where is that popcorn?
About time that people finally realized how awesome Gunnar is...
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Maybe Elite, but does that give us Elite depth?
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 1, 2012 10:31 AM EST up reply actions
we’re not getting any asset in return that makes us better now in a Grabbo trade. Maybe some good prospects and picks.
But honestly? I’m tired of waiting. Let’s try to win now. If the Leafs have a window, it’s clearly at the early stage of opening (might still be closed) but we’re past the phase where we should be stockpiling.
I’m OK with losing him for nothing if somebody crazy overpays him as a UFA. But for this season at least, I want him through the stretch run. No trade.
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I couldn’t disagree with this more. This is not the year to be shooting for the moon and letting assets go for nothing. If he isn’t resigned in the next 3 weeks I would like to see him moved.
About time that people finally realized how awesome Gunnar is...
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1 pt could come back to haunt us.....
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by LeafsLaughToo on Feb 1, 2012 7:44 AM EST up reply actions
Young team that hopefully learns from this....Regroups tonight!
Its easy to get complacent with a 3 goal lead in the 3rd period. They shit the bed plain and simple……… It has to be said, Grabbo shouldn’t have tried for the Hatty from his zone…. He should have lugged it out and got it deep. It would have taken those 6.6 seconds. He played a hell of a game tho.
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by LeafsLaughToo on Feb 1, 2012 7:52 AM EST up reply actions
Plenty of blame to go around last night.
Gunner has to tie up Cooke
The refs have to get the first “goal” call correct
Gus has to cover the puck instead of trying to pick it up on Vitale’s goal
Lombardi has to bear down and get the puck off the ice
Grabbo has to get that puck over the red line and then in deep.
Dion has to play to the whistle and not assume that was offside.
Kadri has to shoot on the 2 on 1
Grabbo has to shoot on the 2 on 1
Bottom line is, they dominated and lost.. We should have had a 4 goal lead and knocked fleury out of the game, but we didn’t. Hopefully the team learns something and comes back the better for it.
If we win tonight and take 3 of 4 from the Pens – we’ll be fine.
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by fair_n_hite_451 on Feb 1, 2012 9:59 AM EST up reply actions
If we win tonight and take 3 of 4 from the Pens – we’ll be fine.
Pretty much. We need a 58 percentage point pace per game from here on out. 3/4 would exceed that nicely.
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Its just that I dont have much faith in us during back to backs. This was the game we should have won, only to lose in OT the next game.
by Goosemonster on Feb 1, 2012 10:04 AM EST up reply actions
True, but it’s at home and we get last change so matching up against Malkin and Neal should be easier.
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A few times in the 3rd Bylsma put Malkin against Grabbo head on. I was surprised
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Well Staal’s hurt, so Malkin was their best chance at shutting Grabbo down.
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Maybe Bylsma likes power vs power
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Bozak Lupul Kessel looked dangerous the first two periods, but then again the whole team fell apart in the third
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by T is for Truculence on Feb 1, 2012 10:20 AM EST up reply actions
IIRC,
I saw an article, I beleive on Puck Daddy, that showed that not only is Malkin going into beast mode points wise, but he is also taking on a major portion of the tough minutes. So he is playing power on power.
Be afraid.
Malkin always seems to go full beast mode when Crosby goes down.
He’s fucking ridiculous.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 1, 2012 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
It’s almost like he doesn’t feel as motivated when Crosby is playing.
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by T is for Truculence on Feb 1, 2012 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
Or he just gets better ice-time and situations
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 1, 2012 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
Bingo
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Crosby and Malkin have virtually the same minutes when both are in the lineup. Malkin however, faces easier opponents.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Feb 1, 2012 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
Talk about the opportunity to get sheltered though. When you know for sure that the best defenders will ahve to cover Crosby, what kind of competition does that leave for Malkin?
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by T is for Truculence on Feb 1, 2012 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
Has this not been said yet?
Fuck Pittsburgh.
The two best players in the world in consecutive draft years. I’m jealous.
I wonder what the team would be like if they had gotten Ovechkin instead of Malkin
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by T is for Truculence on Feb 1, 2012 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
Fuck Pitts has been said many times.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 1, 2012 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
Big picture yes. But that game was so fucking winnable and they blew it.
Watching was so frustrating I had to stay off PPP or it would have gotten fucking real.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 1, 2012 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
Everyone stop saying they blew it.
They played a great road game, and then had a ton of bad luck and the goalie shit the bed.
They dominated the Pens in their own building.
They had a goal called back for BS.
They hit something like 4 posts, and then they missed a bunch.
Gus gave the Penguins 2.
Neal’s shot was going overthe net, and but it bounced off Malkin’s chest and went in.
Then they ‘lost’ in a shootout. It’s a game of yahtzee for chrissake.
Great game, shit luck.
Bingo. It’s frustrating as hell, but the Leafs were the better team and the score didn’t match how the teams played.
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by Draglikepull on Feb 1, 2012 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
Yes they got shit luck – that was part of them blowing it.
Giving up 3 goals in 12 minutes is awful, no matter the luck surrounding how it happened.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 1, 2012 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
Exactly
They did a lot of good stuff and wasted it because they blew it. QED
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As I said last night: 50% they fucking blew it, 25% fuck you refs, 25% HOW THE FUCK DIDN’T THAT GO IN?!?!?!
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by FiftyMissionCap on Feb 1, 2012 11:14 AM EST up reply actions
and of that 50% I’m willing to hang half of it on Gus.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 1, 2012 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
That glove side goal by Sullivan gave me PTSD flashbacks of Raycroft’s glove hand.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Feb 1, 2012 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
A short side goal is really bad, but breakaways should never happen. Gardiner screwed up when he decided to play the puck from the ice.
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Gardiner is so fucking smooth, but that was literally the worst thing he could have done on that play
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 1, 2012 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
Yeap. It’s a rookie mistake, and I’m willing to say “oh, damn,” but the play as a whole – short side goal and all – is still on him more than Gustavsson, in my mind.
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Schenn, Bozie, and Kessel also could have cleared the puck on the 3rd goal but didn’t.
Like I said, not a great game by Gus but plenty of blame to go around.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 1, 2012 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
That’s a better what if than “GOALIE CAN”T PICK UP PUCK IN HIS STUPID GLOVE". At least those involve the opposition doing something other than laughing as they tuck the puck home.
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No way. Bozak loses the puck, bad but not supposed to be an instant goal against. Phaneuf takes the body on Schenn’s man, and Schenn turns to look out for a rebound. He loses the coin flip to the puck, but the problem is that Gustavsson took himself out of the running to find the rebound. What should be 2 leafs v. 1 penguin looking for a rebound because Schenn-v-Vitaly entirely because Gustavsson has a shitty save selection.
He’s VHS on a guy who’s on the half boards – a problem so well known, that here’s a forum thread on it for rec league goalies, and in fact, here’s an article from The Goalie Guild about how Gustavsson shouldn’t be in the VHS oh wait, it’s from six fucking months ago. And the VHS decision is even worse as in the Penguins goal, the initial shot is even higher on the half boards.
He loses sight of the puck because of his decisions and execution, and he doesn’t find the puck until it’s on Vitaly’s stick. Breakaways are never entirely a goaltender’s fault, but the “drop, grab your balls, and pray” strategy that Gustavsson had on Vitaly’s goal (and Dupuis’ initial shot) is fucking inexcusable.
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they gave up a three goal lead in 12 minutes. they blew it.
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I hope YouTube comes down to film this.
If the goalie can’t make routine saves and the game is tied on a fluke deflection, what’s the rest of the team supposed to do? Not let Pittsburgh touch the puck at all in the 3rd period?
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by Draglikepull on Feb 1, 2012 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
If possible, yes.
But seriously though, it was like the Pens flipped a switch and suddenly started skating circles around the whole Leafs team. Sure Gustavsson made mistakes but the Pens also manufactured the situations that led to those mistakes.
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by T is for Truculence on Feb 1, 2012 11:00 AM EST up reply actions
I’m all for shitting on Gus, but the Leafs don’t get any blame for failing to clear the zone on both the 3rd and 4th goals?
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Yes
On the fourth but the third there’s no excuse. He might as well have Statue of Liberty’d like Roy.
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Gustavsson’s shitty save selection and execution trumps Bozak’s inability to clear the zone on the third goal, in my opinion (see above). A butterfly rather than VHS leafs the puck easily visible, easily absorbed, and easily covered. I’m not going to be unhappy about the fourth goal, because it was the definition of an unlucky bounce.
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Another thing… Leafs continued to play run-and-gun up 4-1 with half a period left. I KNOW that’s the style they excel at and I KNOW they didn’t give up many odd man rushes, but they still found a way to blow the game. The coaching staff needs to recognize that this is a risky way to nurse home a win.
I wonder about this sometime. The gardiner fall was a fluke but most defenders not named komi/schenn would have gotten back fast enough to at least get a stick in front of the puck or a little hook on sullivan. Schenn needs to improve his skating or be more conservative because of his poor foot speed especially with a big lead.
In all fairness, Sullivan doesn’t exactly have the foot speed of say, Colton Orr.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Feb 1, 2012 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
exactly. He may not be Kessel or Lombardi but even Lupul wouldn’t of been caught by the majority of Dmen.
Which is why Schenn needs to play even more conservative then when the team is leading. I think this gets back to the debate does wilson have the right players to execute his game plan.
why should schenn have been playing back on that play? he had his own man to cover
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 1, 2012 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
yup, Gardiner fucked up by blowing a tire and Gustavsson fucked up by not being able to stop an unobstructed slap shot from above the circle
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 1, 2012 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
I’m complaining about Schenn’s foot speed and the challenge playing the up tempo style. On that play I agree it was a bit of fluke, though it seems people feel a faster dman wouldn’t have made a difference.
Know what would have helped? Gustavsson stopping a slapshot from the top of the circle
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a faster dman would have made zero difference unless he was an olympic speed skater
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 1, 2012 3:00 PM EST up reply actions
And you’re going to center out that one point? Because I can think of quite a few games to blame first. Like every one against Ottawa and Buffalo.
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yuuuup. we can do this about 40 times by the time the season is over. the missed points add up. sure, some losses are harder to swallow than others, but they become less relevant the more games we win.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 1, 2012 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
The Leafs Dominated
For 55 mins or so. Here’s a question… If Liles is good to go, do you put him in , who sits? Do you mess with the chemistry they had last night. Does Army go in, Boyce? I am conflicted. I want Liles back as the PP misses him BADLY. Who goes in net. Is Reimer poised to regain the net , similar to last year….. IMO, he is due! I am tired of hearing he is a flash in the pan. I said he would have a similar career path to Price. Great rookie season, rough second season (even though technically, he has only played just a season), but I honestly believe he will be a really good goalie down the road.
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Liles goes in for sure… he’s a definite upgrade and won’t mess with chemistry. Also I think you can slot Army in on the fourst line… Right now I would have to say in the place of Brownbeaut even though I love him because Crabb is doing very well on the 1st PK right now.
I would put in Army in place of Kadri
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Boo yourself.
Kadri has a good game or two and then falters off. He was invisible last night except for that one hit.
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I thought he was very good in the first, fine in the second, and hardly used in the third. Nothing wrong with that kind of game out of Kadri
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He had 2 or 3 good hits actually, and played fairly well I thought when he was on the ice. However I don’t know why but he didn’t play in the 3rd. I didn’t see anything wrong that he did to warrant being sat.
Good to see him rounding out his game, but the Leafs didn’t draft him to hit. Kid needs to start putting up numbers more consistently.
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by T is for Truculence on Feb 1, 2012 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
Grabbo is not top 10 but he’s still pretty freaking awesome.
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by PPP on Feb 1, 2012 8:16 AM EST via iPhone app reply actions
I agree. and you could probably, and maybe we should just to kill time at work, figure out where abouts he is. I would say it might be 20.
yeah I could see him being top 20, I think he’s really overlooked in the league by most fans of other teams.
Although
Sometimes I wonder what might have been with Greg Patyrn..
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by LeafsLaughToo on Feb 1, 2012 8:26 AM EST up reply actions
If I was a pinapple, I wouldn't want to be in the same sentence as Grabbo, let alone traded for him.
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by LeafsLaughToo on Feb 1, 2012 8:32 AM EST up reply actions
Top Centers in the league (assorted)
here’s a list of players, by PPG, over the last 3 years (this year being the third). I know I would definitely take grabbo before some of the players above him, but hes probably more like top 30 than top 20. Factor in age and such though, as well as two way play, its a pretty elite group. I’ve bolded the comparables, and itallicized rookies.
1 Sidney Crosby 0.65gpg 1.44ppg
2 Henrik Sedin 0.28gpg 1.21ppg
3 Evgeni Malkin 0.46gpg 1.13ppg
4 Steven Stamkos 0.61gpg 1.13ppg
5 Nicklas Backstrom .032gpg 1.06ppg
6 Brad Richards .34gpg 1.01ppg
7 Pavel Datsyuk .34gpg .98ppg
8 Ryan Getzlaf 0.25gpg 0.98ppg
9 Joe Thornton 0.25gpg 0.97ppg
10 Anze Kopitar 0.36gpg 0.96ppg
11 Jonathan Toews 0.41gpg 0.95ppg
12 Jason Spezza 0.37gpg 0.94ppg
13 Ryan Nugent-Hopkins 0.34gpg 0.92ppg
14 Patrick Marleau 0.47gpg 0.91ppg
15 Eric Staal 0.36gpg 0.90ppg
16 Patrick Sharp 0.38gpg 0.88ppg
17 Ryan Kesler 0.38gpg 0.87ppg
18 Mikko Koivu 0.25gpg 0.86ppg
19 Vincent Lecavalier 0.35gpg 0.84ppg
20 Mike Riberio 0.25gpg 0.83ppg
21 John Tavares 0.36gpg 0.83ppg
22 Paul Statsny 0.27gpg 0.82ppg
23 Joe Pavelski 0.33gpg 0.81ppg
24 Derek Roy 0.28gpg 0.79ppg
25 Jeff Carter 0.43gpg 0.78ppg
26 Andy McDonald 0.31gpg 0.78ppg
26 Adam Henrique 0.30gpg 0.77ppg
28 David Krecji 0.21gpg 0.77ppg
29 Tomas Plekanec 0.27gpg 0.77ppg
30 Patrice Bergeron 0.28gpg 0.76ppg
31 Mike Richards 0.33gpg 0.75ppg
32 Tim Connolly 0.21gpg 0.73ppg
33 Matt Duchene 0.32gpg 0.72ppg
34 Stephen Weiss 0.30gpg 0.72ppg
35 Mikail Grabovski 0.31gpg 0.70ppg
36 Alex Steen 0.31gpg 0.70ppg
37 Nik Antropov 0.25gpg 0.69ppg
38 Logan Couture 0.24gpg 0.68ppg
So I would definitely move Duchene and Tavares up (because their age and recent play), and probably couture as well. That means the next spot up is 20th. Then you’d have to sort out all the bolded players (Richards, Bergeron near the top). and Grabbo comes up pretty soon IMO
Just curiuos…
How much would this list change if we factored in TOI. Most of those players are first line guys that also get the majority of their teams PP time.
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by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Feb 1, 2012 8:54 AM EST up reply actions
so statistically (at least offensively) he’s basically Alex Steen. And yet, no one was hoping we would lock down Steen long term.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 1, 2012 9:08 AM EST up reply actions
The Leafs should have locked down Alex Steen.
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by Back In Black on Feb 1, 2012 9:13 AM EST up reply actions
whoa, careful there, you don’t want to bring down the wrath of Jay Stempniak
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by elseldo on Feb 1, 2012 9:14 AM EST up reply actions 6 recs
Trader Cliff never should have been allowed to make that move knowing he was only interim
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 1, 2012 9:47 AM EST up reply actions
He signed Finger too.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 1, 2012 10:00 AM EST up reply actions
And traded assets for Mayers and Hollweg. I think we can all agree that he was a blind squirrel that found a nut in Grabovski
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Until he started trolling MSM on Twitter it was mostly negative.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 1, 2012 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
Because at the time anyoen thought Steen was gonna be a .70 PPG player
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Worst case scenario, he would’ve been Tyler Bozak before Tyler Bozak was Tyler Bozak.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Feb 1, 2012 9:53 AM EST up reply actions
Quietly raises hand
The man had 0.60, 0.43, 0.55 PPG in his first 3 seasons from 21-23. Did you not think he would improve?
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Sure you did.
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Did I say specifically that he would be a 0.70 ppg? No. Did I think he would improve from a roughly 0.55 PPG first 3 seasons under 25? Yes. In all honesty, did you not think he would improve at all?
About time that people finally realized how awesome Gunnar is...
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All players are on a steep decline after 25
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 1, 2012 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
I am not trying to say I was psychic and I wasn’t nearly as informed a Leafs fan than as I am now (largely due to this site), but he was on the young side of his career.
About time that people finally realized how awesome Gunnar is...
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I was just playing on the view some play take that everyone over 26 is old.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 1, 2012 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
You can read a fanpost I wrote favourably comparing Steen’s first two years to Richards and Carter and how Paul Maurice is a dummy for how he used them. :smug:
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23 year old Alex Steen (last full season before he left) scored 42 points, basically what Stajan did as a 23 year old.
Nobody was worried about locking up Matt Stajan in 2007 either.
I don’t disagree that they shouldn’t have bailed on Steen, but that’s a total hindsight statement.
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the point I'm making
somewhat badly, is that maybe it’s not all that hard to come by a replacement for Grabbo’s production. we’ve got a couple of players in the system that frankly could turn into .7 PPG players, the return for Grabbo right now would be huge, and frankly there isn’t a ton of cap space left to make more changes if we also sign Grabbo for the next few seasons.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 1, 2012 9:19 AM EST up reply actions
But he’s comparable to Alex Steen now.
He’s not Alex Steen when he left. When he left Steen was a 0.5 ppg player, which are much more common.
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but will he be a .7 PPG player when he’s done? the point is, if we have a lot of young guys who can develop from former Alex Steens (Bozak, Kadri) into present Alex Steens, maybe we don’t need an aging Grabovski.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 1, 2012 9:29 AM EST up reply actions
but how long can you hold on to that bird before it dies?
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 1, 2012 9:30 AM EST up reply actions
Old and busted already
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 1, 2012 9:48 AM EST up reply actions
He’s 28. Even if he does have a bit of diminishing returns
I’d much prefer keeping Grabovski around and jettisoning an older Tim Connolly to make room for a young developing centre.
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ok that makes sense.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 1, 2012 9:45 AM EST up reply actions
Wait I just realized something… (and for the record I want to resign Grabo)
Everyone here wants to resign Grabo when he’s 28 but yesterday when making a run at Parise on a 5yr deal was complained about because he was 27 and “too old” for this core.
I is confused.
I don’t have a problem per se signing Parise.
But what’s the term and price going to be? Probably astronomical.
I think you can get Grabovski done for a reasonable cap hit for like 5 years, when he still has value.
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Burke wouldn’t give anyone more than 5 years imo so that was the number I floated. I was told even ages 27-32 weren’t worth it because players start declining after age 26 so whats the point.
Yeah I freaked a bit when somebody said Parise was too old and injury-prone to be worth acquiring. At 27. And then a whole bunch of people proceeded to proclaim that all NHLers peak at 24 or something and then diminish into nothingness before they turn 30.
It’s a ridiculous overreaction to statistical data. I don’t doubt that players begin to decline in their mid-20s, but nowhere in the analyses have I seen any commentary on the average rate of decline, especially among elite players. Maybe Parise peaked three years ago. That doesn’t mean he’ll be useless by the time he’s 30.
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by T is for Truculence on Feb 1, 2012 10:31 AM EST up reply actions
No one ever responded to my question about how that graph would look like with only the top 10% of players. I believe it was the 3rd and 4th line players who only ever put up one or 2 mediocre seasons points wise that made that graph look like that. I still firmly believe if you graph the best players they will plateau between ages 22-30 with a few spikes for great years (or maybe like with ovie the reverse, plateau high with dips for bad years). And then from 31ish on a steady decline for a couple years before they plateau at their “oldage” talent level.
I’d pay 7-8 years for Parise to get 5 good years out of him
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 1, 2012 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
There’s nothing wrong with signing players in their late 20s. The problem is paying them for their mid-20s production when they’re unlikely to reproduce it. Parise at $6 million a year? Sign me up. Parise at $8.5 million a year? No thanks.
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by Draglikepull on Feb 1, 2012 11:00 AM EST up reply actions
What about $7.5 mill which someone will pay for him?
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 1, 2012 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
I think that might be worth it for a contender, who might be willing to over-pay him in his later years in order to get good production up front (like Chicago did with Hossa). I don’t think it would be a good move for a team like the Leafs.
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by Draglikepull on Feb 1, 2012 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
I’d much rather Parise on the roster than Lombo and Connolly for the same money.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 1, 2012 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
And I’d rather have Brian Campbell than Scott Gomez, but what I’d really rather do is use the cap space on good value rather than “less bad”.
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by Draglikepull on Feb 1, 2012 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
I was not one of those complaining.
I’d pay the fucking moon for Parise.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 1, 2012 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
I’d worry abou this knee more than his age. And term. He’s a name. He might shoot for more.
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Knee is sort of worrying, but he’s been very productive lately.
And as for his name… Burke has said time and again he believes in “star power”
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 1, 2012 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
Like Mario!
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by T is for Truculence on Feb 1, 2012 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
Tim COnnolly is officially on my shit list
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He gets that a lot.
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Comments like that one are why I love having a resident Sabres fan in the community
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Why would a Flyers fan say that about Connolly though?
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He looked great in November when it mattered
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 1, 2012 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
I dunno… if he was playing with Kessel and Lupul he’d probably look a lot better.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 1, 2012 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
I questioned the Connolly signing last summer because a) I didn’t think he was a huge upgrade considering his injury history and b) it would cause someone to get squeezed out this summer, probably Grabovski
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So half a season in, how do you feel about it?
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He’s being wasted on the third line. Bozak is scoring just enough to convince Wilson to keep him up with Kessel & Lupul, but they’ve cooled way off.
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I’d rather have Grabovski than Connolly moving forward. But I doubt that will be the case. I think Grabovski is gone.
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As a player, yes
But I’m not sure I’d rather have Grabovski at $5M per season for 5 years than Connolly for 2.
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I guess my question is:
Can the Leafs win a cup with a top 6 of Lupul-Bozak/Connolly-Kessel, MacArthur-Grabovski-Kulemin?
I don’t think so. They’re a bottom 2 or 3 playoff team, even with improved defense and/or goaltending. I think they need to re-work that second line.
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I think most people would think the second line is OK
It’s that number 1 center spot that sticks out to me. neither Bozak nor Connolly are good enough for the role.
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I guess I’d say that it’s not just Connolly squeezing out Grabbo – it’s the Leafs’ larger cap situation.
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That being said
Do we resign Gus?
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by LeafsLaughToo on Feb 1, 2012 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
Trade him at the deadline? Or let him go for nothing?
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by LeafsLaughToo on Feb 1, 2012 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
Cap space isn’t nothing.
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True
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by LeafsLaughToo on Feb 1, 2012 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
Nope. Welcome to the NHL, Ben Scrivens. Don’t blow it.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 1, 2012 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
Mostly Owuya. Excited about that kid, he’s putting up big numbers in the AHL. Another season and he could be something special. Let’s hope.
by Goosemonster on Feb 1, 2012 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
What about peak production. Is Grabbo currently playing the best hockey he will in his NHL career during peak years? If he drops off, even somewhat, is he still worthy of being the Leafs #2 center for 4 or 5 years?
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If Grabovski only played at one end of the ice I would be worried about that, but if he’s a 50 point player who still plays great defence in a couple of seasons I’m OK with that.
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by Draglikepull on Feb 1, 2012 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
Yes because his defensive game won’t drop off.
I’m cool with a homeless man’s Datsyuk as my 2C for the next five years.
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homeless man’s Datsyuk
best
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 1, 2012 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
jettisoning an older Tim Connolly
<3<3<3
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 1, 2012 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
Next year, when his contract is expiring. Prime trade fodder
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by T is for Truculence on Feb 1, 2012 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
Sooner the better
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 1, 2012 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
You suggesting we trade Grabbo is why I hate Goose.
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I was both sad to see him leave and wish he could be signed longer.
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Sharp, Steen, and McDonald play LW now for St. Louis.
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I don't understand the bolds
Are you saying you Grabovski is a comparable to Carter/Stastny/Vinny/Koivu/Richards etc? I think that is being pretty generous.
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I was missing a think in there….
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No, I understood what you meant
I think he’s definitely comparable to Statsny/Koivu. I think he’s comparable to Vinny now. I wouldn’t say he’s comparable to Carter, but I think he is more comparable to Carter than Carter is to that other group, and definitely more than he is to that other group (the unbolded above). Maybe I jumped the gun bolding richards, but the underlying stats, at least for this year, show that richards isnt actually as good as people think.
Im working on a fanpost where I’ll show more evidence
Stastny is in the middle of a one year slump. Is that him regressing or just playing some down hockey? Time will tell. I think you really have to remember how impressive he was through his rookie and sophomore seasons. Career points per game of Stastny and Grabovski? 0.89 and 0.64. And Stastny is younger.
Koivu is a damn good 2-way player from everything I hear, but due to the amount of Western games I watch (not that much) I have to base a fair bit on second hand knowledge. I was just under the impression that he was one of the best 2-way C’s in teh game.
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Not really
PPGs:
0.95
1.08
0.80
0.98
0.77
0.63
So the last two years he has been declining. Not every year. But IIRC his slump started the middle of last year. He was running at about 0.90 PPG and then hit a wall in February or so. Been playing poorly since then.
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It also coincides with the rise of others. Wonder how his TOI numbers and PP time have been affected
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 1, 2012 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
His linemates suck but yes he’s also been slumping
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 1, 2012 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
For sure
Was just trying to show that it has just been a one year slump. Not some consistent decline others are claming it is.
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Its more than a one year slump imo, seems like its been a 3 year slump, IIRC
Koivu is a little overrated.
Regardless, I’ll post my findings in a fanpost later and you can make your own conclusions
Koivu is a little overrated.
Saku sure is, but his brother ohhh boy would I love him in Toronto
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by Goosemonster on Feb 1, 2012 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
It has not been a 3 year slump.
Up until January 26th last year he had 17 G and 43 points in 48 GP
Over the next 26 games (the rest of the year) he had 5 G and 14 points.
So up until Jan 26 he was rolling a 0.35 GPG and 0.90 PPG and for the rest of the season he put up a 0.19 GPG and 0.54 PPG.
The 0.90 PPG would have fit in fine with his previous numbers:
0.95
1.08
0.80
0.98
0.90
If we look at that last 26 GP plus this years numbers he would have 18G and 45 points over 75 GP or a 0.60 PPG. He really is in a one year slump, almost to the day.
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Just for some comparisons of great players who had one year slumps
Marleau 26 years old- 31 years old PPG:
1.05
1.01
0.62
0.93
1.01
0.89
Selanne 29-36 (obviously Selanne is a freak though)
1.08
0.99
0.66
0.78
0.41
1.13
1.15
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Stastny is in the middle of a one year slump. Is that him regressing or just playing some down hockey?
Colorado’s lines this season
DAVID JONES PAUL STASTNY CHUCK KOBASEW 2.84%
TJ GALIARDI PAUL STASTNY PETER MUELLER 2.54%
DAVID JONES PAUL STASTNY MILAN HEJDUK 2.49%
TJ GALIARDI PAUL STASTNY DAVID JONES 1.56%
TJ GALIARDI PAUL STASTNY DANIEL WINNIK 1.19%
MILAN HEJDUK PAUL STASTNY JOAKIM LINDSTROM 1.08%
TJ GALIARDI PAUL STASTNY MILAN HEJDUK 1.08%
DAVID JONES KEVIN PORTER PAUL STASTNY 1.03%
Stastny’s been playing a lot of time with David Jones, Chuck Kobasew, TJ Galiardi. Somehow, I expect he’d do better with Kessel on his wing.
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Nah, they’re done by percentage of all of Colorado’s line changes / ice time, not by Paul Stastny’s individual percentages. Click the link for more information.
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Does kinda make it look like he is no longer a priority in Colo…
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I think BtN is better for finding out individual player linemates, like this.
Stastny’s top 3 linemates this year at ES have been Hejduk, Jones, and Duchene.
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by Draglikepull on Feb 1, 2012 11:14 AM EST up reply actions
And Duchene?
Oh FFS, I missed two pretty important lines on the LWL page.
MILAN HEJDUK MATT DUCHENE PAUL STASTNY 3.75%
DANIEL WINNIK MATT DUCHENE PAUL STASTNY 3.3%
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I am confused where you got this from. I ran it in hockey reference and Grabbo comes in at 42nd. Where are Andy MacDonald, Danny Briere, etc.
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Isn’t Briere a wing?
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by Chi-town leafs on Feb 1, 2012 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
McDonald plays wing? Didn’t know that.
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In his favour:
Great contract, that could change
Not in his favour:
Age
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I think those are some blue tinted goggles.
This year he is 11th in G by a C and 28th by points. If you look at the last 2 years 9th in goals and 26th in points. However it falls away after there. Over the last 3 years 27th in G and 37th in points. Over the last 4 21st in G and 33rd in points.
He is a number 1 C but bottom of the number 1 C pack.
Furthermore in PPG and GPG I think he does worse. It looks like someone else has already said this.
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I think the 3 years ago captures the year he had a broken arm for a good part of the season.
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by Chi-town leafs on Feb 1, 2012 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
This is only his fourth full year.. I don’t think including 4 years is reflective of his true ability
But even so, those are still good rankings. I said he’s probably around 30
And I’m working on a fan post, which shows that in pts/60, hes pretty high up
I think you have to include all 4 years because of his age. He entered the league late.
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Fair enough,
I wasn’t really considering his age when I pulled up the original list, I just thought 2.5 years would be a good range beause we want to look at who are the best centers right now, not 3-4 years ago. For example, Thornton would have been top5 in that range, but he’s not top5 anymore, IMO
I hate lists ranking players. Put them into tiers. He’s probably a tier 4 center in the NHL.
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Tier 1 would be the best of the best: Crosby, Stamkos, Malkin, Datsyuk, Toews
Tier 2 would be the all-star guys who are just a bit behind those above: Kopitar, Sedin, Thornton, Backstrom, Staal, Tavares
Tier 3 would be another step down. Guys who haven’t peaked yet, are inconsistent, or have battled injury: Getzlaf, Spezza, Duchene, Lecavalier, Elias, Bergeron, Backes, Kesler, Koivu, B. Richards, M. Richards, Carter
Tier 4 would be guys that still very good players, but excel more in a complimentary role: Plekanec, Stastny, Connolly, Weiss, Grabovski, Ribeiro, Krejci
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sounds good to me. What is after though? tier 5 = second line center? tier 6 = 2nd/3rd line? and so on?
You probably should have explained that before just saying “tier 4”. “Tier 4” with no explanation sounded like a shitty #2 C to me.
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As it stands right now,
Winnipeg is probably too far back to catch us. They only have 1 game over 500 (52pts in 51 games).
The teams we’re trying to catch/stay ahead of are:
Washington/Florida, Ottawa, and New Jersey. It doesn’t matter if one of Washington/Florida beats us, because one is making it no matter what. Lets just assume we’re competing with Florida:
New Jersey: 49GP, 57P (8)
Florida: 48GP, 55P (7)
Ottawa: 53GP, 60P (7)
Toronto: 50GP, 56P (6)
we definitely need a couple wins in a row to pass florida/ottawa, while hoping new jersey starts to lose a couple
We needed that extra point last night :( lets grab 2 tonight to even out with Florida and Ottawa.
Winnipeg’s two games back. That’s not enough to call them “out of it”.
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IMO it doesn’t matter that they’re two games back, because they’re only +1 to the + 6,7,7,8 competing.
You can’t just assume teams will lose, the way I see it. For Winnipeg to make up ground, they’d have to win 5 in a row, while the rest of the teams ONLY go .500, which is unlikely because they’re all above .500 right now.
Also
Tavares is only 4th in league scoring with 53pts in 49gp ON THE FUCKING ISLANDERS
he's no where near top 25
So what?
He’s racking up a ton of points on a shitty team.
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by Semi_Colon on Feb 1, 2012 8:58 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Again
The methodology impacts where he was ranked. Obviously when a guy is racking up points in favourable situations you need to put him in your list to keep people focused.
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Is somebody fucking going yet?
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Agh!
So, last night’s OT Shootout loss was the one permitted by the projection link in yesterday’s thread where the Leafs have to go 1-1-1 over 3 games this week. This means they have to go 1-1 in the next two games.
Overall last night, I thought the defense played one of their best games of the season against perhaps the single greatest offensive threat in the league at present.
Phaneuf – great play, especially on the 1st goal
Komi/Schenn – Didn’t even notice them out there, which is a huge positive
Gardiner – Not a terribly good game overall, but geez, on that second goal. Not only did he trip and take himself out of the play, but as he fell, he made sure to put the puck right on Sullivan’s stick which enabled Stevie to skate down the ice without breaking stride. Sure, Gus deserves some blame on that goal as he was down (once again) way too early, but c’mon Jimmy!!
Grabbo – I hate to say it because he played great notching 2 goals and 1 assist, but it seemed like he had dreams of going for the hat-trick on that last possession in the 3rd. If he carried the puck a little further or flipped high in the air and changed, game would have been over. Instead he took a weak shot along the ice which Letang easily intercepted and sent it back the other way.
Take the 1 point, but last night was definitely winnable.
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Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 1, 2012 8:50 AM EST up reply actions
The Grabo bit I agree with… He could have just dumped the puck. But after a night like this, how can anybody be mad at him.
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by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Feb 1, 2012 8:51 AM EST up reply actions
I’m definitely not mad. I guess I’m just oing over all the “what if’s” from last night. That one just stood out because it was in the last 30 seconds of the game.
What ifs:
-What is the puck didn’t take a “magical” bounce over Kuli’s stick on the “2 on 0”?
-What if Bozak didn’t go flying after Fleury tripped him when he was so obviously beat on that breakaway?
-What if Connolly lifted his shot just a little into the empty net immediately after the Bozak breakaway?
-What if that first Bozak goal didn’t get called back?
ugh, whatever. I’m just a little sour. I’m done.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Feb 1, 2012 8:57 AM EST up reply actions
What If
Schenn would have cashed in BOTH his open nets?
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by LeafsLaughToo on Feb 1, 2012 9:00 AM EST up reply actions
Pretty sure that was Lombardi that couldn’t raise the puck 2 inches.
- Phil losing control with an open net
- Schenn missing the easy tip in
- Schenn and Grabbo posts
- Fucking Malkin deflecting the puck in off his chest
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 1, 2012 9:01 AM EST up reply actions
So, can we all agree it was a lot of bad puck luck and miscues on teh refs part and if the Leafs play the same way they did last night, they should win tonight?
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Feb 1, 2012 9:34 AM EST up reply actions
Pretty sure that was Lombardi that couldn’t raise the puck 2 inches.
TSN says it’s Kessel. But I don’t think they’re refering to the same play. I still stand by it being Connolly.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Feb 1, 2012 10:00 AM EST up reply actions
Kessel was the second one. He fans on it and it goes under Fleury. The first one was stopped by a sliding Letang
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 1, 2012 10:02 AM EST up reply actions
but it seemed like he had dreams of going for the hat-trick on that last possession in the 3rd
If he really wanted that hat trick he wouldn’t have passed on the 2 on 0
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Yeah, I knew he was thinking pass the whole way.
Poor Nik, I get you goal right here! You be happy!
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Feb 1, 2012 8:59 AM EST up reply actions
Exactly. Hat trick means less to Grabbo than setting up Kulemin for a tap in.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 1, 2012 10:37 AM EST up reply actions
also, goalie probably is thinking shoot since one would assume Grabbo would go for the hattie.
by Goosemonster on Feb 1, 2012 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
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Grabbo was the victim of a good defensive play. Right as he’s going to shoot he gets hacked right across his hands which is what causes the play.
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Thanks for the linkage
I am truly sad about how last night went down…
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by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Feb 1, 2012 8:48 AM EST reply actions
Yeah, last night really stung. The officiating, the bad luck, and ultimately the finish. That’s the kind of game that’ll leave you feeling a little raw the next day
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by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Feb 1, 2012 9:20 AM EST up reply actions
With Liles, Gleason and Beauchemin all off the market now and in the off season there has to be a massive premium on defencemen. If Dallas and the Habs stay near a playoff spot they might not be so eager to sell either. This puts BB in a position of power dealing from a surplus. Question is who gets dealt? Phaneuf, Liles, Gardiner are all untouchable.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 1, 2012 8:57 AM EST reply actions
I hope Franson is included in the untouchables.....Schenn would be my guess
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Reimer........
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by LeafsLaughToo on Feb 1, 2012 9:06 AM EST up reply actions
JVR AND Couturier!
for Schenn and Mac…
Everyone who wants to trade with the Flyers wins… except the Flyers 3 eyars from now when those 2+Kessel are the best line in hockey.
Schenn for Couturier
#cmonbaby
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 1, 2012 10:37 AM EST up reply actions
Burke will not make a trade with Philly for anyone until he gets JVR… he’s like a blood hound on the scent…
If Couturier is anything other than untouchable, Holmgren’s an idiot. If Burke would turn down Couturier, he’s an idiot. The kid’s playing well in the NHL at 19.
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I would give so much for Couturier.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 1, 2012 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
I wuish Gunnar would be considered untouchable.
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His contract / decent defense / age has made him extremely valuable
Of course, also valuable to the Leafs. I doubt he moves if there is any way in hell to get value for Schenn or ANYTHING for Komisarek
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 1, 2012 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
Much sooner keep Gunnar over Schenn…….
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by LeafsLaughToo on Feb 1, 2012 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
I think he should be for his level of play and cap hit.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 1, 2012 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
Okay, you got me
Give Grabbo ALL the monies
guy is practically the heart of this team. It’d be a shame to see him just walk.
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I can't believe the number of Gustavsson defenders on Twitter.
It’s a back-to-back game where Gus had a terrible night = REIMER STARTS.
Really think Reimer just needs a few games to get his legs under him. He’ll probably see a lot of rubber tonight against the Pens after their (mostly) poor effort last night, which I hope will be good for him.
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I’m not sure Gus had a ‘terrible’ night. Fleury let in a similar goal to the 2nd goal, and no one is saying he had a terrible night. It wasn’t his best start to be sure, and Reimer needs to start, but ‘terrible’ is a bit of an exaggeration.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 1, 2012 9:16 AM EST up reply actions
meh, the whole team collapsed at the end of the game. there’s a lot of blame to go around for that one.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 1, 2012 9:20 AM EST up reply actions
Two bad goals is a bad night by most goalies’ standards. Although Fleury made some incredible saves, I wouldn’t say he had a great night.
Generally, if a goalie is having a great night, he’s not making wild saves, he’s quietly shutting the door. Fleury was damn lucky.
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Fleury made about 6 or 7 saves that were game savers. Gustavsson didn’t/
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without a doubt.
i just don’t understand how after the month he’s had we’ve returned to ‘he was terrible’ on the basis of one killer slapshot and one puck that got away from his glove.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 1, 2012 9:25 AM EST up reply actions
No one is saying he is terrible, he was terrible last night and shouldn’t play tonite. How anyone can argue otherwise is beyond me
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I don’t know how you ever got away from “he’s terrible” on the basis of one good month of hockey. Or is it two, now? Anyway, such a short stretch, does not a career make.
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if you hadn’t noticed, i’ve never really thought he was ‘terrible’. or at least not as terrible as others suggest he is.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 1, 2012 9:33 AM EST up reply actions
He’s a career .901 goaltender. That’s bad. Really bad.
The odds of him turning into something good are really, really, slim.
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by clrkaitken on Feb 1, 2012 9:44 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
yeah, you really saw this coming.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 1, 2012 9:46 AM EST up reply actions
It was the hockey argument equivalent of arguing the sun was going to come up this morning.
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Was just going to say
Predicting complaining about our bad goaltender based on a night with two bad goals isn’t exactly crystal ball gazing.
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Especially
When there remains a strong “Start Gustavsson!” contingency on Twitter.
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Something about beating a dead horse?
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Feb 1, 2012 9:44 AM EST up reply actions
I think he can likely be a legitimate career backup. I think he came into the NHL to early in his transition to the North American game. I don’t have much faith that he’ll do more than that though.
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It was one shot he didn’t get his body behind (1), one slapshot that looked like it was from the 80s, and one Patrick Roy impression. He’s not the old Goose but that was a fucking nightmare flashback for sure.
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Not the old Gus for sure. If it’s any other backup people don’t already have a hate-on for, we’re happy with the 1 point and move on.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 1, 2012 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
No
Not at all. We’d dump on him for blowing a game the Leafs had in hand. A lot of time I agree that it’s persecution but Goose cannot get shit on enough for his play last night on those three goals. Not as an example of a trend but in isolation.
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well, ok, blown games are blown games. no matter who the goalie in net is they would need to be better than he was last night. still not sure you can hang the blame on the goalie alone.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 1, 2012 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
Too bad he let in 2 stinkers before making a brilliant save.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 1, 2012 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
Ya, Fleury, despite allowing 4 goals, looked fucking good.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 1, 2012 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, he was meh. He made decent saves, but certainly didn’t make game-saving saves that were needed of him.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Feb 1, 2012 9:55 AM EST up reply actions
Sullivan goal went in short side, and that third goal continues to make me furious this morning. VHS from a guy that far out is dumb to begin with, and limited visibility in close is one of the reasons why. Fondling the puck and that bizarre follow through where he has no idea whether or not he has the puck? It was a bad idea and worse execution.
Fleury played so well that even with a sub-900 save percentage, he was named first star of the game. 35 for 39.
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The only bad goal in my opinion was the slap shot off of Steve Sullivan (and that came off of a bad giveaway), the other goals I don’t think he had much of a chance on. I do believe Reimer should start tonight, but this game is not Gus’s fault by any means
Dude that 3rd goal was fuckin pathetic
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Sorry, forgot about that, yeah he should have caught that, but I’d argue that D should have been defending the Penguin player
Really? They did a decent job of letting the puck get to Gustavsson. He has to cover that
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It wasn’t a rebound tho. The puck was on the fuckin ice going 1Km/h. I could have covered it. The blame is on Gustavsson. Full Stop
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What was funny after that goal was the homer Pitt announcers claiming Vitale was able to score because Gus isn’t athletic/acrobatic enough to stretch across the crease and make that save.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Feb 1, 2012 9:56 AM EST up reply actions
IT WAS IN HIS FUCKIN GLOVE AND HE WHIFFED
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Basically the difference last night was that Fleury seriously kept the Pens in the game and Gus didnt keep the Leafs. Gus made some saves but there was a potential for a 7 goal Leafs blowout last night.
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Schenn on a whole open cage and Grabbo on a break.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 1, 2012 10:09 AM EST up reply actions
Leafs also didn’t score in the shootout IIRC. If the Leafs win in the SO we come away from a road game against a top team with 2 points and move on.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 1, 2012 10:09 AM EST up reply actions
Yup. Narratives look a whole lot better when you win.
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by T is for Truculence on Feb 1, 2012 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
Goose made a lot of big saves too. But Fleury just didn’t get punished when he made beer league errors.
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by JP Nikota on Feb 1, 2012 9:29 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I’m hoping this is the beginning of Reimer reclaiming his throne
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 1, 2012 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
i was actually hoping Gus would put up a so-so game for this very reason. i’m just a little surprised at how quickly people are willing to jump on him again.
THE GUY IS 12-6-1 WITH .921 IN HIS LAST 19 GAMES???!!
If i had told you in November that this would happen people would be either deliriously happy about it, or call me batshit crazy.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 1, 2012 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
TRAITOR!
If any goalie let in those three goals I’d be advocating that we burn his house down. If it was Reimer you’d have tap shoes ready to do a jig on his grave.
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And this is a classic example of why you need a clear #1 goalie and a back up. This tandem crap just pits fans against each other. Have a peek at the situation in Vancouver.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 1, 2012 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
Have a peek at the situation in Vancouver.
I would kill to be in their “situation”
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yeah. or Boston. boo fucking hoo we have too many good goalies.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 1, 2012 11:08 AM EST up reply actions
What I’m saying is not the quality of the goalies but the infighting between fans. One bad game or goal and a guy gets shit on by half the fan base.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 1, 2012 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
no i agree completely. If reimer gets the starting job back and gus turns in the kinds of performances he’s been giving us lately, we’re OK with an occasional bad game from the back-up (and starter for that matter).
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 1, 2012 11:14 AM EST up reply actions
Who the fuck cares if the fan base fights over the goalies… we’d find something else to fight about anyways. If having too many good goalies is a problem for the fans than fuck the fans cause its damn good for the team.
I suppose if you don’t mind beating that dead horse repeatedly then giddy up.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 1, 2012 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
I’d probably be quick to point out how mediocre he was, if only because people wouldn’t be jumping on him the way they are on Gus, I assure you.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 1, 2012 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
Doesn’t matter, dude. People are kinda goofy over this stuff. Apparently, Gus made no great saves last night. And even a goal that goes in off Malkin’s chest should be stopped. Whatever. I’m happy to see Reimer again. Gus let in a coupla iffy goals. Fine.
What bugs me is that we decide certain players are not to be touched. I pointed out last night that Kessel and Lupul were, in fact, in pretty bad slumps. 3 goals combined in 9 games or somesuch, with -6’s each. But because we hate that the MSM picks up that storyline so often, we don’t even pause to think that maybe…. just maybe… the story last night should have been “How Malkin Out-Beasts Our Best.”
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by not norm ullman on Feb 1, 2012 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
Kessel actually has looked great the last few games, he just hasn’t put the puck in the net.
Our top line also tends to get shut-down on the road. I’ll wait until tonight before I start worrying about how our top-line is getting shut down.
but yeah, Malkin is pretty good at hockey, and Bylsma coaches a pretty good team. It’s not a huge surprise really.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 1, 2012 11:11 AM EST up reply actions
Apparently, Gus made no great saves last night. And even a goal that goes in off Malkin’s chest should be stopped.
Yes, this is exactly what people have been saying.
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Fire him into the sun
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 1, 2012 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
Bower. YOU didn’t say that. YOU made far more sensible comments, and when it comes to goaltending, far more sensible ones than I could ever make.
OTHER people say things like “Gus sucked” and “Gus was terrible” and made no big saves and so on. And they’re shocked that he has defenders.
I get irritated – even as a James Reimer fan – because the conclusions about Gus are locked in. Hell, they were there before the season. And yet, he still strikes me as having potential, and with things to learn, but able – see: the last 15 games or so – to do a good job as an NHL keeper.
And I also think personal preferences often drive or influence the use of stats. Nothing new there.
That’s what I’m saying.
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by not norm ullman on Feb 1, 2012 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
His one in OT was pretty good. Too bad 4 had gone in before that.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 1, 2012 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
Given his career, which is more likely: that Jonas’ last 19 games are an anomaly of good play, or that last night was an anomaly of bad play?
If Gustavsson wants to prove that his January play is “the new Gustavsson,” games like last night aren’t the way to do it.
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no one knows for sure. after a run of 20 decent games though everyone’s jumping off tall buildings because of 3 goals that fall somewhere between ‘meh’ and ‘aw fuck’? come on. it’s as ridiculous as the Kessel shift slump counter.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 1, 2012 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
Of course no one knows for sure. But I think it’s a combination of Gustavsson, well, looking like Gustavson from 6 months ago, and the inexplicably long leash that Wilson gave him, that have people disproportionally upset. It’s a discussion that we’ve had previously now, but while I understand the desire to ride the hot hand, I’m not sure why we put the statistically worse goaltender in net when we’re talking about a game where we don’t have last change. (And, yes, this includes an appreciation that the statistics are likely too small a sample size to be conclusive about play going forwards.)
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Obviously this is hindsight bias, but wonder if pulling Gus after the Sullivan goal would have calmed things down.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 1, 2012 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
Name one coach or sane person that would pull their starting goalie in a game they have thoroughly dominated with a 4-2 lead and 10 mins to go.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 1, 2012 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
Fortune favours the bold.
Also I wonder what the average SV% is for goalies who come in as relief.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 1, 2012 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
Reimer got in 37 games last year. And tailed as the year went on. But people were absolutely agreed he was the goalie to count on this year.
But Gus’ 19 recent games look like an “anomaly.”
I’m not convinced this is right.
Nonetheless, I hope Reimer starts. I hope he rings up 30 shutouts.
But most importantly, I hope he’s fully worked through the post-concussion stuff. Which I am in no way convinced he is. And which partially explains Wilson’s long leash for Gus. (And I say that, as a confirmed Wilson hater.)
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by not norm ullman on Feb 1, 2012 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
How exactly did he tail as the year went on?
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by FiftyMissionCap on Feb 1, 2012 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
He actually did a little
His monthly splits by SV%
DEC – 1.000 (4 saves)
JAN – 0.932
FEB – 0.926
MAR – 0.913
APR – 0.909
The April one should be discounted because three of those games occurred after the Leafs had been eliminated and the Leafs gave up.
But the bigger point is even while slipping those stats are better than Gus
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And the biggest point is that people are lock solid, no doubt, preferring Reimer based on…. 3 months of success?
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by not norm ullman on Feb 1, 2012 1:02 PM EST up reply actions
If we’d had Reimer in net in Jan I’m reasonably confident – although we’ll never know for sure – that he could have played just as well as Gus.
We barely took any penalties and the ones we took were killed (partly due to Gustavsson). I think that’s an environment Reimer could thrive in.
Again, we’ll never know because it didn’t happen. But going forward, if they can maintain this same penalty taking discipline, I think that’s an environment where Reimer can thrive.
I hope.
No no, dig UP stupid.
Reimer’s even-strength save percentage has been near the top of the league both last year and this year. Gustavsson has never had a particularly good even strength save percentage. Reimer’s still early on in his career and it’s possible his numbers will fall, but what he’s shown so far presents much more cause for hope than what Gus has shown.
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by Draglikepull on Feb 1, 2012 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
It’s not right because it’s not really what we’re talking about. The difference is that I’m not comparing Gustavsson’s 19 to Reimer’s 37. I’m comparing Gustavsson’s 19 to Gustavsson’s prior 74. Yes, Gustavsson has come to use a tight, blocking butterfly more frequently, and it seems to have cut down on the armpit goals, and he’s been oversliding less. I’m completely willing to entertain the idea of improvement. But improvement to a .920 goaltender seems ridiculous, I’m sure everyone would agree. In the case of the “which is the real Gustavsson”, I’d put money down on “a .901 goaltender with some good luck” before “a .920 goaltender with some bad luck to start his career.” And remember, calling him a .901 takes into account is good play, while calling him a .920 doesn’t take into account any of his poor play.
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to some extent i wonder if the upswing can be accounted for by score effects. last year he was getting 1.8 GF/G. This year he’s getting something like 2.7.
We all know score has a huge effect on SV%. I wonder if he’s somewhere closer to a .910 goalie behind a decent team.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 1, 2012 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
I thought we went through this the other day. On the Why No Reimer blog. You threw a challenge flag on my comment, and so…. I went back over 20+ goalies and their early years save percentages. And showed – I thought – again and again that their first 1-2-3 years had enormous variability. As in, swinging by not just 20, but 40 or even 60 percentage points.
But now you say, “improvement to a .920 goaltender seems ridiculous, I’m sure everyone would agree.” Well, actually, no, I don’t agree. And I don’t think the data is there to say that.
As for his actual improvement, you’ve just noted that he’s already improved on a couple of things. Which could… just sayin’… have something to do with his recently improved numbers. And jeez, maybe the guy might just…. make a couple more improvements. Why is that something everybody would disagree with?
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by not norm ullman on Feb 1, 2012 1:01 PM EST up reply actions
Well, the other day we were talking about the variability of ES SVP – .920 overall SVP would mean that Gustavsson had, overnight, gone from being one of the worst goaltenders in the league, to one of the best. Is it possible? Sure – you’ve shown that. Is it likely? I don’t think I’d bet on it, and I’d prefer if the Leafs didn’t bet on it.
At this point, I think Gustavsson can be an NHL backup, but the Leafs don’t need a backup, they need a starter. Maybe it’s Reimer – I’d love to get some more games for him so we could see – but it’s probably not Gustavsson, so I’d rather not see us bending over backwards to get him starts.
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Possible? Sure.
Likely? Meh. Not so much.
Do we need a kick-ass starter? Damn straight.
Is Reimer that guy? Could be. More likely than Gus. After a kick in the head? I’m unsure.
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by not norm ullman on Feb 1, 2012 2:52 PM EST up reply actions
Gus has let in bad goals in a number of games recently. He’s also played some good games. I hope he really has improved, because I want the Leafs to make the playoffs and I’m sure he’ll be getting more starts, but I’m still skeptical that one month of mostly good play isn’t just a good run rather than a genuine improvement in his ability.
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by Draglikepull on Feb 1, 2012 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
the bad goals have started to seep in again, i agree. i’m slightly more hopeful, if not optimistic, though, that he’s turned it around.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 1, 2012 12:18 PM EST up reply actions
Sabres choked big time.
Won critical must-lose game. Can’t be taking points away from teams close to them in the standings.
OPERATION TANK IS A GO. It’s the only explanation for Mike Weber. He’s on a secret mission.
But, it was the Habs, so we’re forever grateful for you.
You can make up for it by losing twice more to us.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Feb 1, 2012 9:56 AM EST up reply actions
Holy crap i just saw the replay.
I didn’t know Zybnyk Michalek was a Leaf. At least that’s what the clueless ref seemed to think.
OPERATION TANK IS A GO. It’s the only explanation for Mike Weber. He’s on a secret mission.
Years from now there will be a college course studying the consistency in NHL officiating in the early 21st century. They will show two clips only a couple of weeks apart and at the end they will take a poll on which was called “goalie interference” and which wasn’t. Any takers on how many students would pick wrong between the “Spezza on Reimer” and “Lupul on Fleury”?!?!?
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Feb 1, 2012 9:40 AM EST up reply actions
Seems like we’ve been paying for that one ever since.
by stevesmith19 on Feb 1, 2012 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
I knew at the time that would come back to bite us in the ass
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 1, 2012 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
NHL.com headline
“Sed of Roses”, with a picture of one of the Sedins.
That may be the worst headline I’ve ever seen. Why do they think that every headline needs to have a play on a players name?
That's "Da-ooo". Like the drink.
Agreed. It's horrible.
First off, their name is not pronounced Said-dean; it’s Suh-dean.
Secondly, the bed/blanket of roses is giving to the winner of the Kentucky Derby. Last time I checked, that was held in May and no teams play in Kentucky.
Thirdly, the writers have a competition between themselves to he can make the best puns. I hope this guy got a swirly.
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Thats two tying goals in a row that have come with 15 seconds left in the game. You just cant fucking let that happen.
Being a Leafs fan makes me bipolar.
Admittedly, though, the first one was ridiculously fluky, and the second one was kinda fluky.
I’m moreso annoyed at them blowing a 3-goal lead with 10 minutes left.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Feb 1, 2012 9:59 AM EST up reply actions
that wasn’t the first time last night that Malkin was left wide open next to the Leafs net. Happened several times.
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It was a fluke goal off Malkin’s face or whatever.
The timing sucks but it was a huge fluke.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 1, 2012 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
Off his glove which he was putting up to cover his face.
Related; should that have been a hand-pass?
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Nah I think it was okay
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 1, 2012 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
I thought originally it was a high stick
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 1, 2012 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
Man, Sens fans are funny.
One of my friends is bitching about a giant reffing conspiracy against Ottawa.
Yeah, because the refs made your goalie whiff on a centre-ice shot last night. Get over it.
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They were playing the Bruins, and somehow didn’t get a single power play. I suppose that is suspicious.
OPERATION TANK IS A GO. It’s the only explanation for Mike Weber. He’s on a secret mission.
Though looking at it more carefully they’re only league average in giving up power plays (but they lead the league in penalty minutes, majors, misconducts, and game misconducts.)
OPERATION TANK IS A GO. It’s the only explanation for Mike Weber. He’s on a secret mission.
-29th in penalties, but 11th in PP time and 19th in PK time.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Feb 1, 2012 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
TSNScottyMac
No Kadri, no Aulie at #Leafs morning skate. Liles, Armstrong skating. Moves are coming or have been made but not announced. #Penguins #NHL
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Wow
I’m kind of surprised but also not terribly surprised.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 1, 2012 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
Who’s Scotty Mac?
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by LeafsLaughToo on Feb 1, 2012 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
Why the hell is Kadri being sent down? The kid has played very well
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Waivers
He doesn’t have to pass through them.
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I get that but they can’t keep doing this with the kid. Over 2years of this crap.
“Hey you played really well tonight Nasty, now take a cab back. Your back with the Marlies tomorrow”
He doesn’t need more seasoning in the AHL. He needs to play in the NHL.
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by LeafsLaughToo on Feb 1, 2012 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
Asset management. Too many players atm and not enough spaces. If BB can swing a 2 for 1 deal opening up a spot he’ll be back up. Crabb or Boyce would get claimed.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 1, 2012 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t think Boyce would get claimed at all
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 1, 2012 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
Boyce is still hurt and on IR.. They currently have 25 players(plus Boyce on IR) on their roster and need to get to 23.
You have 3 choices
1) Rosehill down, Crabb/Brown in pressbox
2) Rosehill down, Kadri in pressbox
3) Kadri down.
Ya I just mean in the theoretical situation that Boyce was eventually put on waivers, I dont think teams would grab him up.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 1, 2012 10:57 AM EST up reply actions
Oh yah no, when Boyce has to come off IR he’ll be sent down again.
I said it yesterday however, if I were Boyce I’d stay on IR as long as I could get away with it. He makes 3x as much money being on IR with the Leafs than playing with the Marlies.
I would keep Boyce and send down Rosie.
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I get that but they can’t keep doing this with the kid. Over 2years of this crap.
This happens to a ton of prospects breaking into the NHL, it’s just noticed more in Toronto.
If he’s not outplaying NHL roster players, then Burke needs to either ship some of those players out who are in front of him, or Kadri needs to start fucking outplaying them.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 1, 2012 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
Cody Hodgson is in his first full year with the Canucks and he was drafted a year before Kadri and IMO he is a better player. Lets calm down
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by leafer1984 on Feb 1, 2012 10:53 AM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Ctrl-C and filed for later. Seriously, well done.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 1, 2012 10:57 AM EST up reply actions
Thanks dude
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Racist
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you intolerant bastard
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Yup
And he’s getting extremely favourable play on a team that is miles better than the Leafs.
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I dont know if you’re agreeing or disagreeing…
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Agreeing. I think PPP meant he faces easier opposition while playing for one of the NHL’s elite teams. Pretty sweet deal.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Feb 1, 2012 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
Kadri needs to start fucking outplaying them.
Has he outplayed anyone in the top 6?
No he has not
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Exactly.
There are probably a ton of examples (MPS comes to mind). If we didn’t have a surplus of middling 2nd-3rd liners he’d be playing more, and on the NHL roster.
It is a roster issue, but it’s also a Kadri needs to play his way into the top 6 issue.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 1, 2012 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
He hasn’t really played well.
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My guess is he is sent down temporarily until we see bodies out the door.
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Aulie was a no brainer. Kadri is disappointing but he is the only other player that doesn’t need to clear waivers so it makes sense.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 1, 2012 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
Is that confirmed?
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They’re not at practice and Liles and Armstrong are skating, so it seems to be the case.
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by Draglikepull on Feb 1, 2012 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
If Dominic Moore gets traded for a 2nd again
My trade deadline wish will be complete.
Only thing that could top that is another Lupul for Pronger trade. Of course, that would now be an awful trade.
No no, dig UP stupid.
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New discussion
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I hope YouTube comes down to film this.
No.
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Also no.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 1, 2012 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
for $8M you for an extended period you better be able to single handedly pull a team to the playoffs a-la-Sundin
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by Chi-town leafs on Feb 1, 2012 11:11 AM EST up reply actions
Well he and Mason did, once.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 1, 2012 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
he’s only on pace for 55 points this season.
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I hope YouTube comes down to film this.
That being said, he’d look much better on the Leafs than the Jackets.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 1, 2012 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
Think of it this way, the Leafs and Penguins game ended in a tie, and the Leafs lost the coin-toss at the end.
At least they didn’t lose in regulation like the Sens and Wild.
9/10 the effort they put in gets them a win.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 1, 2012 11:08 AM EST reply actions
I’m looking at it this way. Leafs had teh game won and they blew it.
They had 2 points but left with 1.
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by leafer1984 on Feb 1, 2012 11:10 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Don’t let Loss Aversion and the Endowment Bias mess with your head!
They never actually HAD the two points. You, and from the looks it things, the team thought they did. But they never did.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 1, 2012 11:11 AM EST up reply actions
Nothing is messing with my head yo
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Well, it explains why losses like this are so tough to take.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 1, 2012 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
They were on pace to finish the night with two points, and failed to meet that expectation due to poor performance.
Wording to avoid loss endowment, wooooo.
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and they blew it.
I was under the impression that it was only 1 player who blew the game…
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 1, 2012 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
It is a whole lot easier to assign blame when one player lets in an unscreend shot from the face-off dot.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 1, 2012 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
better than from the centre ice dot…
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 1, 2012 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
Oh my yes. That was hilarious.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 1, 2012 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
If Toskala wins the gold in letting in awful goals, Anderson wins the silver.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 1, 2012 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
Of the ones Ive seen, I think it’s:
GOLD Toskala vs Sabres
SILVER Salo vs Belarus
BRONZE Anderson vs Bruins
Toskala’s was vs Islanders i think
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by Isosceles Kramer on Feb 1, 2012 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
Toskala had the bouncing puck vs the islanders he also had the one vs the sabres where it was going wide, went to catch it and deflected into his own net
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Nono. We’re talking about another one entirely.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceIJB_z24-o
Well fuck, I had suppressed this from memory since.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Feb 1, 2012 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
I find it incredibly depressing that there’s a selection to choose from
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by T is for Truculence on Feb 1, 2012 3:17 PM EST up reply actions
Two of his goals would easily make the top 5 worst goals of all time.
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2) Vesa Toskala vs. Buffalo (2009)
3) Tommy Salo vs. Belarus (2002)
4) Craig Anderson vs. Boston (2012)
5) Dan Cloutier vs. Detroit (2002)
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by FiftyMissionCap on Feb 1, 2012 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
lol Cloutier. I remember that.
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by Self Destructive Zones on Feb 1, 2012 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
there was also that hilarious brodeur one where he dropped his stick and the puck bounced off it and went between his legs
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 1, 2012 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
Strange that the “Worst Goals EVAR” are all in the last 10 years when goaltending kind of sucked for most of the NHL’s history.
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yeah, i was watching some 70s games and stand up goaltending was hilariously bad
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 1, 2012 3:26 PM EST up reply actions
Would it be more strange if instead I’d watched decades worth of old NHL games to come up with a more balanced and objective opinion?
No no, dig UP stupid.
itd be strange if you watched all those games AND kept track of all advanced stats yourself then shared it all on PPP in a massive 20 post series
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 1, 2012 4:32 PM EST up reply actions
I can vouch for this
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I am much stronger in person.
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I’m loud
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HA HA GOOD ONE.
Just horrible, this joke.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 1, 2012 4:46 PM EST up reply actions
Eh, this one has some merit.
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Execution was sloppy.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 1, 2012 4:49 PM EST up reply actions
better than 90% of the other jokes made here
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Ah yes. Had also buried that one away. They’re both superb
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by Isosceles Kramer on Feb 1, 2012 3:17 PM EST up reply actions
can you medal twice in the same event?
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 1, 2012 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
Nope, it was a collective effort.
I’m not shitting on Gus this time.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 1, 2012 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
Before last night, Leafs were 1 of 5 teams undefeated while leading after 2 periods. Now that list has only 4 teams; Detroit, Boston, Vancouver and Washington. Leafs were pretty damn lucky for 50 games this season. Oh well.
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I’m getting Dallas, Boston, Vancouver, and Washington.
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If you told me in September that after 50 games, the Leafs would be 18-0-1 when leading after 2, I’d take it.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Feb 1, 2012 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
Ron Wilson doesn’t know how to coach a team with a lead.
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by Draglikepull on Feb 1, 2012 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
Hell Yeah!
This is to notify you that we have removed access to your video, Somebody F***ing Go, as a result of a notification by NHL claiming that this material is infringing.
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by SkinnyFish on Feb 1, 2012 11:19 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
HAHAHAHAHAAHAHA
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I logged back onto YouTube and am being forced to watch this video – http://www.youtube.com/copyright_school
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AHAHAHHAHAH
that’ll learn ya.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 1, 2012 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
Coming tonight, a video where I do an impression of Ray Ferraro saying “Somebody Fucking Go”.
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by SkinnyFish on Feb 1, 2012 11:26 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
i love how they make their draconian policies seem so cute and friendly.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 1, 2012 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
aw, I didn’t get to see it.
upload it again.
Goals scored on Stanley Cup winning goalies by Scott Gomez this past year: 0
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Best
Because it’s embedded on the site, you can watch it in the Fanshot on the front page.
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But I only got to hear it twice :( I demand anarchy throughout the internets!
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 1, 2012 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
Guess somebody finally did fucking go.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 1, 2012 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
With Liles likely coming back, who is benched tonite?
I have a feeling Gardiner or Schenn
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 1, 2012 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
He played well last night. I can see Gardiner sitting
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Komi played pretty shittily last night. I hope he is benched due to that.
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Komi sits, I suspect, and Schenn moves back to the right side.
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by Draglikepull on Feb 1, 2012 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
You mean Phaneuf
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Has Phaneuf been playing on the Left and Schenn on the right?
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Phaneuf has been playing on the left
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Tonight should be something like:
Gunnar-Phaneuf
Liles-Franson
Gardiner-Schenn/Komisarek
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by Draglikepull on Feb 1, 2012 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
I believe that was Schenn’s worse part of the year. I think they moved him to a pair with Gardiner when he started to improve somewhat.
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It always scares me when Gardiner and Schenn play together, but I definatley like the idea of Gunnar and Phanuef playing together again
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by CameronSorley on Feb 1, 2012 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
You’re correct.
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by Draglikepull on Feb 1, 2012 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
It has to be Schenn or Komisarek, Franson has seemed really solid lately
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by CameronSorley on Feb 1, 2012 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
Franson played the least out of all the defenceman last night
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Franson did the same thing that Brown did to Engelland, throwing a player into the boards, except he did it with one arm. Also constantly impressed by his ability to keep the puck in the offensive zone.
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by T is for Truculence on Feb 1, 2012 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
REIMER REIMER GOTTA BE STARTIN REIMER
GRABO-GRABO-GRABOOOOOVSKI!
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Also, I hate spamming, but this seems to be the only way I get traffic:
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by FiftyMissionCap on Feb 1, 2012 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
Title of the FTB has been updated
Sorry for missing an obvious alliteration everyone. My bad.
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Henny confirms Reimer starts
HennyTweets: Apologies for late tweet…battery drained this morning. Colby and john-michael in…jadri and aulie go to the marlies. Reimer starts.#leafs
Penalties taken in January(not counting incidental minors/majors)
Leafs- 18 Opponents- 38
Today on the radio in Ottawa people are complaining to high heaven about the reffing the Sens have been getting. I bet they can’t point out 2 examples of where bad reffing cost them a for-sure goal (Spezza sitting on Reimer and last night) Then they go on to say why are the Leafs not being penalized, they don’t have enough skill to do that. What?
SHUT UP SENS’ FANS
Leaf fan in Ottawa.
There no winning
It’s apparently either A) the team is more disciplined or B) bad reffing
The truth is somewhere in the middle.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 1, 2012 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
This is how one of my buddies is. When his team wins, it’s always because they’re good. When they lose, it’s always reffing.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Feb 1, 2012 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
Not to mention the Leafs can find 2 examples of that from LAST NIGHT, let alone overall.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Feb 1, 2012 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
Burke: Slumping.
I shot a moose once, in upstate New York.
by not norm ullman on Feb 1, 2012 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
Apparently Wilson not on the ice for practice.
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"
Interesting move. I like it.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 1, 2012 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
via Scott MacArthur
#Leafs lines vs. #Penguins:
Lupul-Bozak-Kessel,
MacArthur-Grabovski-Kulemin,
Lombardi-Connolly-Armstrong,
Crabb-Steckel-Brown.
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Mmm depth.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 1, 2012 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
Mr Ryan Fancey just pointed something out on twitter, this is their full, healthy lineup.
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I disagree I think Crabb would stay in over Boyce.
by WizardofNaz on Feb 1, 2012 1:25 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I disagree, Mortal Kombat is a very good game, but I think Donkey Kong is the best game ever.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Feb 1, 2012 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
Donkey Kong sucks!
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by Self Destructive Zones on Feb 1, 2012 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
Billy Madison would like a word with you
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shampoo is better
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 1, 2012 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
STOP LOOKING AT ME SWAN
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Have some more shloppy joes! I made em extra shloppy for ya!
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by Self Destructive Zones on Feb 1, 2012 5:01 PM EST up reply actions
Conditioner is better. I leave the hair silky smooth.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Feb 1, 2012 5:36 PM EST up reply actions
Thats arguable
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I agree with you tho. I prefer Boyce
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Crabb was called up before Boyce was.
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Armstrong is going to add a different dynamic weve barely got to see. Gonna be interesting to see what kind of impact, positive or negative he may have.
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"
He’s going to block a shot, finish the game without doing much, and then be out for another 15 games.
Sadly this is what I’m thinking. I love the guy’s jam and all, but he’s brittler than your mom’s peanut brittle.
Which is delicious. The almonds are a nice touch.
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by Isosceles Kramer on Feb 1, 2012 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
whats Connollys ironman streak at now? Almsot 30 games?
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"
plus I thought it was generally believed that he’s actually injured and playing through it?
No no, dig UP stupid.
I still cant beleive Bozak is rocking 1st line centre..
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He deserved a shot in the shootout last night.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 1, 2012 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
I would’ve liked Kulie over Kadri
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by Isosceles Kramer on Feb 1, 2012 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
I believe he tried the same move last night.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 1, 2012 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, and Fleury straight up robbed Grabbo, and probably interfered with Kessel, oh well.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 1, 2012 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
Justin Bourne on twitter last night
Oh man, Kadri’s move had “check out how fancy I am” written all over it.
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I would say the Kulemin move is a fake to the backhand and then a forehand shelf, like he did on his penalty shot. He’s done it several times.
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i love his mittens as much as anyone, i just thought he didn’t get a ton of ice in the third and may have been a bit cold. And Kulemin was a beast all over the ice.
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by Isosceles Kramer on Feb 1, 2012 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
Same story for Kulemin last night as it has been all year though. Wins puck battles all over the ice, but he’s not taking the puck to the net.
Agreed. Driving too wide and going around the net
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by Isosceles Kramer on Feb 1, 2012 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
And the puck jumps away whenever it goes near him. Seriously, I’m starting to think he bought a house in Russia over a former Nuclear site this summer and got some sort of weird radioactive nuclear field around him.
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yea 5g’s for Nik is pretty awful. He has had some horrible puck luck this year
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I feel like he’s been shooting more in recent games but it’s just not going in.
He’s got that thing where he hasn’t scored in a while and he’s overthinking. I was talking with my brother and cousin and the best we could explain is when you’re playing hockey and haven’t scored in a while and every time you get the puck you’re like “I could score here, what should I do to score”, rather than just reacting automatically.
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Last 10 games, Shots
TOR DET 0
TOR BUF 3
TOR @ BUF 1
TOR NYR 0
TOR OTT L4
TOR MIN 2
TOR MTL 1
TOR NYI 2
TOR @ NYI 2
TOR @ PIT 2
17 shots, 1.7 shots/game. Season average is 1.48… so technically correct, but not by much.
That is way way way way way too low.
No no, dig UP stupid.
Line chemistry. Worst case scenario, we swap him with Connolly.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Feb 1, 2012 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
Lupul
2007/2008: 1.98pts/60
2008/2009: 2.03 pts/60
2009/2010: 2.48 pts/60
2010/2011: 1.60 pts/60 – injury season
2011/2012: 2.66 pts/60
steady increase. Even if he comes down, lets say its to 2.3pts/60
with his ice time this season, we’re looking at a 59pt player
that’s pretty good and worth keeping IMO
Personally, I kind of hope he comes down next season to about 60 points. There’s no way he’s a 80+ point player for the next 5 or 6 years and I don’t want to have to pay him like he is to keep him. I’d rather have Lupul regress a bit and have a guy like Kulemin and a few others (Mac, Lombardi) put up better numbers to compensate.
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id prefer if he became a 90 point guy.
but thats jsut me
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"
Personally, I kind of hope he comes down next season to about 60 points.
I hope he breaks Wayne fucking Gretzky’s point record. Fuck asset management, 300 points for Lupul.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 1, 2012 1:37 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I am really curious as to what the average SV% is for goalies coming in in relief of another. Switching goalies when your team is still up 2 goals is obviously not something that is done often, but I wonder what the numbers say.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 1, 2012 1:32 PM EST reply actions
Yeah definitely, but fuck, Wilson doesn’t have a timeout and the team clearly needs something. Put Reimer in for the last 8 minutes to calm shit down.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 1, 2012 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
he burned that time out way too soon IMO
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 1, 2012 3:03 PM EST up reply actions
Pro Tip
If you find yourself extremely enraged after a Leafs loss, like you’re considering driving down to the ACC and beating someone with a hockey stick, just turn on AM 640 Leafs Talk after the game. It’s amazing how quickly that will turn you back into a rational person.
Really just makes me angry about something else at the same time. Then Coast to Coast comes on, and I’m angry at stupid people all over again. Although at least Coast to Coast crushes my soul in creative and engaging ways.
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And I would never subject myself to Leafs talk after a game
No no, dig UP stupid.
used to listen to it religiously before PPP.
I call those times, the dark ages
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"
I can only assume it’s like the “book on tape” version of TSN.ca comment section
No no, dig UP stupid.
pretty much, minues the other team trolls for the most part.
Usually leaf fans looking for a quick fix (fire this guy, trade that guy) after a loss or ones lauding the team for its efforts and wanting to build Burke a statue (usually after a win).
Every game, same story.
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This is so cool………..many of you have probably seen the previous one but this is V2.0!!!!
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Math help
Can one of you nerds help a brother out?
I’m trying to figure out how much a reduction in the NHLPA’s split of league revenue would impact the salary cap.
For example, the NHL made $2.7 billion dollars in 2009-2010. At 57%, the player’s share of that revenue was $1.54 billion. The following season’s salary cap was set to $59.4 million, which I assume was raised with the expectation of revenue increase. My very rough and simpleton math came up with around $1million dollars in cap space per team for every 1% fluctuation in the revenue split.
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Skimming the CBA quickly shows that the 57% of the 2.7 billion dollars is actually the salary midpoint. If the nhlpa votes for the 5% inflator, that is also added in, and that plus 8 million is the salary cap. (with no inflator i get 59.3 million using those numbers so it seems to work out…)
It is widely believed that the midpoint-cap relationship will change in the new CBA.
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relevant.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 1, 2012 3:28 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Nobody at PD likes your Mario Lemieux Hat Trick. It’s an unsustainable thing.
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I’d say the results were generally in favour. You watch, it’ll be a thing.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 1, 2012 3:30 PM EST up reply actions
8000%
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 1, 2012 3:29 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
From now on, fucker doesn’t give 8000%… he’s dead to me.
Dead.
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by not norm ullman on Feb 1, 2012 5:31 PM EST up reply actions
Prediction
The Leafs won’t make any major moves between now and the deadline. Burke will then hold a press conference where he says almost exactly what he said during free agent frenzy this July:
“We were in on a lot of players, but the prices were getting out of hand.”
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Interesting
I’m going to say he makes moves but they’re SELLERS not BUYERS
i.e. Lombardi for a pick
No no, dig UP stupid.
Also
Grabovski doesn’t get traded but doesn’t re-sign yet either, instead re-ups on June 29th at $4.75M per / 5 years
No no, dig UP stupid.
I really would not mind if the Leafs were sellers. Looks like a good first round this year, a lot of teams think they have a shot at the cup and are looking for secondary scoring or defense. Could nab a couple of good prospects and some picks.
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Not sure we have a ton of players that could get us 1st round picks... but this be crazy season.
Maybe some one goes loco and gives us the Versteeg special for Franson or something.
No no, dig UP stupid.
Depends on who is made available. Grabovski? I’d think “A” prospect and 1st.
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I can see Lombardi for a 2nd or Caputi (at the time he was traded to the Leafs) type prospect
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 1, 2012 3:47 PM EST up reply actions
I’d probably take almost anything for Lombardi right now. A 2nd might be dreaming due to his relatively high salary / concussion risk.
No no, dig UP stupid.
probably, but a contender in need of a 3c? might give up more at the deadline
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 1, 2012 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
Due to his salary I’m thinking there’s only a handful that could swing it for a depth player (i.e. just for picks, no salary coming back)
Funny thing is, 2 of the ones that jump to mind are PHX and NSH (his last 2 teams)
No no, dig UP stupid.
it will come down to injuries me thinks
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 1, 2012 4:00 PM EST up reply actions
Ya, hopefully not Lombardi’s injury though.
Seriously I like the guy’s speed but we need his cap space, and he’s not untradable, he seems like a piece the Leafs could move that isn’t like a total dream scenario (i.e. moving Komisarek)
No no, dig UP stupid.
yup, considering Lombardi was a pure salary dump that no one expected to play this season, if the Leafs get any return at all for him it is still magic by Burke
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 1, 2012 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
as long as the actual trade market reflects that, I won’t mind
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 1, 2012 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
You could be right. Although I wouldn’t rule out trading a player or two away to free up space this summer.
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Yep, I could see that.
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I don’t think he’s the kind of player the Leafs are looking for, but if I were Burke I might take a run at Derek Roy. 1 year left at $4 million and the Sabres are apparently looking to unload him. He’s had bad puck luck this year (low PDO and well below career avg SH%) but his underlying numbers are still pretty good, and as a guy who often picks up quite a few assists, he could work well between Kessel and Lupul.
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no thanks
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 1, 2012 3:47 PM EST up reply actions
Brian Burke has said the leafs need to get bigger up front, getting Roy would be the polar opposite of that
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Yeah, that’s why I said I doubt he’s the kind of player Burke would actually target.
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Seriously, how lucky did they get with that.
Although Columbus probably wouldn’t have taken Couturier.
Also, I doubt Mark Sheifle will pan out for WPG.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 1, 2012 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
I doubt Mark Sheifle will pan out for WPG.
What makes you say that? He seems pretty legit.
No no, dig UP stupid.
I supposed I meant, they probably should have taken Couturier.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 1, 2012 3:55 PM EST up reply actions
Ah yes
that seems reasonable.
Not sure if Philly should have kept him up this year though. Did they really need him with their forward depth?
No no, dig UP stupid.
Maybe they felt more comfortable developing him in the NHL.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 1, 2012 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
He has probably proven all he could at the junior level. Maybe it’s the right path for him.
It just screams mockery at how poorly PHI manages the cap… using a year of his ELC right away.
No no, dig UP stupid.
Oh my yes. But it seems to be working okay.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 1, 2012 4:00 PM EST up reply actions
They’ll just get out from that mistake in a few years by moving Briere or something.
Fix dumb contracts by moving them out for assets to sign more new dumb contracts.
No no, dig UP stupid.
It’ll continue to work unless the market for dumb contracts dries up.
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thank god the Flyers took him, if the bruins had drafted Couturier with the Leafs pick……
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 1, 2012 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
Would would have needed to revive the PPP Suicide Hotline.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 1, 2012 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
Screw the hotline, where’s the fruit punch at?
Useless comments since 2009.
by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 1, 2012 4:00 PM EST up reply actions
One day Joe Colborne and Tyler Biggs will be those guys
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"
The Leafs really, really, really like Joe Colborne. At least that’s the sense I get.
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That said, first line players generally don’t spend a lot of time in the AHL.
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pretty much, Colborne wont move unless Getzlaf is coming back
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 1, 2012 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
I want Colborne to be one of those guys who comes into camp next year like a changed man and just blows away everyone’s preconceived notions of him.
Whether its through off-ice training or seeing a skating specialist or some other magic, I just WANT him to be good.
I hate when i get attached to prospects.
No no, dig UP stupid.
If he doesn’t come into camp and win a job, I think there’s cause for concern though.
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Look around the league. How often do scorers spend 2+ seasons in the AHL?
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Hodgson is looking pretty good in Vancouver
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One could argue the only reason Kesler was in the AHL that second season was because of the lockout.
Either way, birky has a point
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Ya I was just trying to think of counter-examples to be a dick, but my relatively poor success is indicative of his probable correctness
No no, dig UP stupid.
there are a few names out there. But the list of players who develop into top six scorers and play more than 1.5 seasons in the AHL isn’t that long.
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i wonder how long the list of them who got bumped to the NHL and were in over their head for a season or two is
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 1, 2012 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
Two guys in my mind stick out under those circumstances: Max Pacioretty and Ryan Kesler. Both figured it out in less time than it has taken Kadri.
Just pointing out that history doesn’t reflect kindly on guys who can’t crack an NHL roster by their 3rd or 4th professional season.
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Steve Bernier is getting ready to re-take the NHL by storm.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 1, 2012 4:12 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Hodgson lost almost a full year of development to a career threatening back injury.
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Camp in September will probably be Kadri’s most important one. If he can’t safely hold a spot, they’ll give up.
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He has to make the team full time in September.
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Right, same with Colborne and probably Frattin too… this is why our top 9 will look different next year and Burke should probably be more of a seller at the deadline. Too much depth can be a waste of resources.
I disagree. Its MUCH more important for Kadri than those 2
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It is more important for Kadri than for the guys who are one and two years older than him? With one guy having the same number of professional seasons and one guy having one less? Why arepeople so impatient with Kadri?
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I think Frattin will be there. He’s probably good enough now to be with the Leafs, but there’s a cap issue and a linemates issue.
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Well he’ll have to beat out Lupul and Parise to earn that LW spot in the Top 6…
No no, dig UP stupid.
He has been playing the right side.
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I wouldn’t be surprised if Burke wants to keep him on the roster full time right now but has his hand forced by waivers.
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He could send down Rosehill…
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They could sit crabb in favour of Kadri. However they would rather have Rosie sitting and Kadri in the minors
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I think he is as good as gone
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packaged for Carter!
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 1, 2012 4:21 PM EST up reply actions
I’d take Carter if the Jackets agreed to take Komisarek’s and Schenn’s contracts of our hands.
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Moving Schenn as a salary dump is a stupid waste of a good asset.
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of course you would, no way in hell Burke sends out both Komi and Schenn in the same deal where a defensive defender is not coming back
i would rather throw Lombardi or Connolly with either of the others
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 1, 2012 4:23 PM EST up reply actions
TIM CONNOLLY
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its because he’s so easy to irrationally hate.
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and rationally
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Considering the CBJ would still need a defender who can actually play defense if they took Komi & Schenn, I’d say it’s unlikely. But they have to of the longest contracts, which would help offset the Leafs taking on Carter’s
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I’d like to see MGK kept together going into next year, but if Burke can’t move Lombardi or Armstrong then MacArthur becomes the likely target if Burke wants some cap relief.
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I dont. I really dont. You guys can say all you want about p/60 and all that, I just dont like him
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I think he’s ok, he works hard, goes to the right areas, but every time i see him do something I dont think “wow, not many players could do that”
I am pretty sure Kadri or Frattin could do just as well in his spot
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 1, 2012 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
Frattin was there and he didn’t. However, he is a rookie
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MacArthur is much better defensively than either of those guys.
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IMO, I dont think he is all that great in his own zone
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Thing is, I really don’t think it’s a good idea to throw away effective top9 players.
Bozak, Armstrong, Kulemin and arguably Lombardi are all weaker players. You could argue Kulie’s upside, and that Lombo will bounce back, but they aren’t better at the moment.
Also, Lupul has a good chance of falling back to earth like a stone next year (or even this one). If we are ‘selling high’ on somebody, he’s the one to sell high on.
He’s boring. He’s a boring hockey player. And can’t generate his own offense. He’s a poor man’s Michael Ryder.
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And can’t generate his own offense
Perfect
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that is a pretty apt summation
nice complimentary player, does his job well, but not someone you want blocking promising offensive prospects who have the potential to be much better
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 1, 2012 4:28 PM EST up reply actions
grabbo and Kulemin
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 1, 2012 4:40 PM EST up reply actions
Right, but he also had the same if not better possession metrics despite less o-zone starts. So he was superior in that way as well as overall point production.
That’s not to take away from Grabovski and Kulemin.
and what happened this year?
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 1, 2012 4:47 PM EST up reply actions
He continued scoring goals but he was stuck with lousy linemates so he didn’t rack up many assists?
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he also was scoring fuck all before grabbo started going nuts
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 1, 2012 4:49 PM EST up reply actions
I SAID MY HATE WAS IRRATIONAL. WHAT ELSE DO YOU WANT FROM ME?
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Compassion. Generosity. A small loan of $200 that I swear I’ll give back by payday.
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A Jaguar XJ220.
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The last one might be tough, but do-able. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaguar_XJ220_%28computer_game%29
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I like him because he’s scoring goals. Something not much of the rest of the team is doing.
No no, dig UP stupid.
He scores goals with Grabbo. He scored a goal last night that was ALL grabbo. Brett Lebda could have scored that
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Say what you want about driving play, etc. He’s one of the few Leafs actually scoring.
We love the game of Kulemin, Frattin, Kadri, etc. Yet while they’re owning the boards and dangling like crazy, MacArthur is scoring goals.
I dunno, I like players that have finish.
No no, dig UP stupid.
I dunno, I like players that have finish.
This is gonna open up a can of worms
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The one fair compliment I can give him is that he has sustained a very high sh% throughout his career (15%) over a fairly large number of seasons.
That’s one way I could quantify “finish”
No no, dig UP stupid.
tangent:
Do you think any Leaf fans own a MacArthur #16 jersey?
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Yes
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I don’t care for all the Bozak hate… that being said, I don’t own one of his jerseys so you win this one
Fuck Kerry Fraser
I don’t care for Bozak much anymore. I bought it after his 1st season where he put up 27 points in 37 games…. i.e. pre-sophmore slump
No no, dig UP stupid.
shazam!
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OK but if we’re going to give all of MacArthur’s credit to Grabovski… dont we owe something similar for Bozak to Kessel**?
**except for his slapshot goal last night which was beautiful
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Yes. I’ve repeatedly said Bozak would be hopeless without Kessel and Lupul.
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2010-11 season Mac – 36 of 62 pts factored in Grabbo (58%)
2011-12 season Bozak – 14/27pts had Kessel involved (52%)
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Luke Schenn might not have, though..
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by Self Destructive Zones on Feb 1, 2012 4:50 PM EST up reply actions
lol, that’s right.
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by Self Destructive Zones on Feb 1, 2012 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
Sure as hell looked that way. Poor bastard.
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by Self Destructive Zones on Feb 1, 2012 4:54 PM EST up reply actions
I’m paraphrasing mf37 from last night:
“Kulemin’s season is like shooting the puck in NHL on Sega Genesis after the whistle’s blown.”
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I liked how the crowd would go nuts if you hit the goalie.
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