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PrintYou won't find any links today gushing about the Toronto Maple Leafs. They were listless in the first period and dominated in the second, allowing four goals to the Habs before James Reimer was pulled to start the third. That's three straight losses for the Leafs, including two against teams they should have and needed to beat. Goaltending and size/strength up front seem to be the two needs for this group going forward. Will Brian Burke address either of those areas before the trade deadline? We're only fifteen days away and by most accounts, the Leafs have nothing in the works.
Links after the jump...
Habs pulverize Reimer and Leafs
Recap from the Globe & Mail
Is the NHL moving away from suspensions? mf37 has some thoughts
The Leafs brass and the next 48 hours
VLM wonders if the Leafs are suddenly looking for goaltending and other thoughts
Quick hits from MLHS
Mats' definition of loyalty and why it worked out
A good Sundin piece from LeafsHQ
Separating buyers from sellers
New York Times hockey blog looks after who will fall on which side of the line
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by Frag on Feb 12, 2012 10:20 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
Blame those media guys...
On January 20th Don Brennan suggested the Senators could catch the Bruins for first overall. The Senators immediately went on a 7 game losing streak.
On February 7th James Mirtle suggested that a win that night would get the Leafs to within 4 points of the Bruins. Leafs have lost 3 straight since.
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by HockeyAnalysis on Feb 12, 2012 10:27 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
On Sept.03 1967 Sweden switched from driving on the left side of the road to driving on the right. The Leafs haven’t won a cup since.
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by GreatKingRat on Feb 12, 2012 10:50 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Burke must trade Gustavsson and Gunnarsson ASAP!!
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by HockeyAnalysis on Feb 12, 2012 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
Maybe getting rid of the Swede’s will get rid of that Swedish curse.
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by HockeyAnalysis on Feb 12, 2012 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
The Leafs have improved their goals for, goals against, shots for (slightly), and shots against since last season. They’re on pace for a 41 goal improvement in goal differential. No other team in the league is even close to improving as much as Toronto has this season.
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by Draglikepull on Feb 12, 2012 10:29 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
GAA has gone from 2.94 to 2.88. Not much of an improvement unfortunately. GFA has gone from 2.56 to 2.96. We can thank Joffrey Lupul for much of that.
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by HockeyAnalysis on Feb 12, 2012 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
What’s GFA?
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by theninjagreg on Feb 12, 2012 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
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by article1 on Feb 12, 2012 1:29 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
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by theninjagreg on Feb 12, 2012 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
GMs From America
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by Draglikepull on Feb 12, 2012 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
Goats Flying Airplanes
At least it's not Lebda.
by Nifty Mittens on Feb 12, 2012 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
Gonads For All!
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by not norm ullman on Feb 12, 2012 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
All the other suggestions work, but as it relates to hockey, goals for average.
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by HockeyAnalysis on Feb 12, 2012 3:18 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Also doesn’t change the fact that last night’s performance was absolutely pathetic. Preceded by a bad game against Philly, and another relatively crappy one against Winnipeg. We should have 4 out of 6 points at least, and we got 0. Brutal.
by Goosemonster on Feb 12, 2012 10:35 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I’m disappointed in how the last couple of games have gone (WPG doesn’t bother me, we played that one close and it was our 3rd game in 4 nights), but that doesn’t change the fact that on the whole, the Leafs are a much improved team this season.
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by Draglikepull on Feb 12, 2012 10:45 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The big question is, what is the path forward to improving this team defensively? Goaltending? Defensive defensemen? Third line defensive specialists? None of those seem to be priorities for Burke right now so I don’t see the path forward on that front.
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by HockeyAnalysis on Feb 12, 2012 10:54 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I don’t know, but it looks increasingly like it will go down the wire when it comes to the playoffs. I was hoping for better, but I’m still placing my “arbitrary line” as playoffs.
by Goosemonster on Feb 12, 2012 10:59 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I still think Reimer is an above average NHL goalie. It’s hard to know what this season would have looked like if our starting goalie hadn’t missed a good chunk of time with a concussion. There’s definitely some improvement still needed on defence, though I do fear that the Liles signing means that Burke doesn’t agree.
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by Draglikepull on Feb 12, 2012 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
Reimer is an anomaly to me. He appears to be at his best when he’s challenged and faces a lot of shots, and at his worst when he isn’t facing many at all.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Feb 12, 2012 3:33 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
yes and this is EXACTLY what Gionta had in mind when he hit Reimer with the flying elbow!!…Poetic Justice? Gionta is out long term himself…with concussion problems….only difference? Gionta whined like a little bitch about the cheapshot(it was a clean hit)that took him out….Reimer didn’t say anything,at least not publically
by wayne scarlett on Feb 12, 2012 10:16 PM EST up reply actions
Thankfully for the leafs teams like washington, candiens, canes, sabres have been set back. The team is still competing with the likes of panthers and senators. And if the sabre or canadiens were real the standings would be a mess right now.
by jeffgm on Feb 12, 2012 11:36 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I could add Tampa as well. They are a zombie away from being in the playoff race.
The leafs are bubble team and are miles away from the conference finals.
And it is lot easier for a team like tampa or sabres or canadiens to bump the leafs down a notch, then it is the for leafs to rise to top of the conference. This to me means Burke needs to make a major change or get lucky with game changing prospect if this team is to compete for a cup.
by jeffgm on Feb 12, 2012 11:43 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Whenever anyone says abysmal...
I’m reminded of this episode from Friends… Here’s (one) of the references in the episode: The One With The Cooking Class.
I’d much rather have linked to the opening scene where they’re all reading reviews of Joey’s performance the night before (and Monica finds one that says Joey was abysmal… and he gets all happy about it), but this after spending more time than I would have liked on this, this is what I could find.
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by Jeremiah Stanghini on Feb 12, 2012 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
It annoys me a great deal that we could be that piss poor on a night like that.
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by article1 on Feb 12, 2012 10:51 AM EST via Android app reply actions 1 recs
After the past three games … I’m hoping Burke has something in the works … I’d be content with a unicorn but I also want to see a nasty dman.
by SanityNoMore on Feb 12, 2012 11:10 AM EST via iPhone app reply actions 1 recs
I am no longer content with obtaining a unicorn.
I want a new tricorn, or Burke can fuck himself.
No more poncey unicorns.
No puny and pathetic bicornes.
I want a tri-corn, or bust.
And yes, even an old broken, lush and louche tricorn will do.
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by not norm ullman on Feb 12, 2012 11:28 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
I hope they’re all embarrassed by the giant turd they laid last night.
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by daoust on Feb 12, 2012 11:29 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
the worst part is it was in front of Sundin.
by Goosemonster on Feb 12, 2012 11:41 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
We sat right beside the tunnel where the players walk off the ice. I told them they made Mats cry.
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by daoust on Feb 12, 2012 11:46 AM EST up reply actions 7 recs
Hopefully last night was a wake up call, and this team bounces back on Tuesday
by Brent92 on Feb 12, 2012 11:32 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Goaltending
It’s become clear over the past little while that our goaltending is something that needs to be addressed – whether through a trade, or internally, or even giving Reimer and Goose a kick in the pants to see if that’ll get them back up to snuff. Either way, my question is this: Have we come to the point where we need to go out and see if we can acquire a legitimate starting goaltender? If you look at our goalies now, I think the numbers paint a slightly better picture than what is actually going on. Gustavsson had a great month of January but has since regressed, and Reimer’s has a solid ES SV%, however he only has 60 career starts, and with that small of a sample size, what we could be seeing from Reimer is just a mirage of how good he actually is. I’m not saying I’ve abandoned hope in either of these two, in fact I still believe that Reimer can be our guy, but if those hopes are to remain, we need much more consistent goaltending. We seem to have incredible goaltending some nights, and awful goaltending on other nights, and that can’t continue if we want to be successful.
So what do you guys think?
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by MLS on Feb 12, 2012 11:56 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
can’t win without scoring a goal either. I mostly agree but goaltending isn’t our only problem.
by Goosemonster on Feb 12, 2012 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
When teams throttle the neutral zone, the neutralize the Leafs………they can’t use their speed once the neutral zone is clogged and they’re not good enough defensively to thwart counter attacks
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by LeafFan1989 on Feb 12, 2012 12:09 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
you are correct…maybe having offside goals like the first one last night called back,would help.
by wayne scarlett on Feb 12, 2012 10:02 PM EST up reply actions
I recall Bcapp arguing to sign Theodore in the off season because it was risky to make a playoff bid with reimer/monster. They have been solid at times and questionable during others. They remind me of the leafs – they get you believing in them and then lay a lump of coal. At this point they are both still unknown and using a prospect to bring in another goalie like Nabby or Harding complicates this more. I think they have to figure assess the level of talent they have.
by jeffgm on Feb 12, 2012 12:16 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The Leafs seem to have these “spells,” as a team. These last 3 games, with Winnipeg, Montreal and Philly – they looked appalling in two of them, the most winnable ones. A while back, they lost to Montreal, NYR, Ottawa and Buffalo – 4 of 5. End of December, it was Florida, Carolina and Winnipeg.
And my biggest frustration is, they precede these spells with wins in which they stomp teams (like Ottawa and TBay), or beat really good teams (Detroit and Pittsburgh.)
And then, they seem to just play… flat. Listless. Like against Winnipeg. And Montreal.
It looks and feels as though they’re not up for these games, missing intensity or something. And it’s at times like that that it’d be great to have a couple of crashing wingers who could stir things up, knock in a cheap goal or two – get them out of the more passive, perimeter, rush-only style they fall back into.
On defence, it still just really feels to me like…. they’re young. They get tentative. And Dion…. while he’s got talent… doesn’t feel “rock-like” at the back-end, the kind of guy you’d put out to shut things down.
As for Reimer… we can fight stats all we like… but he looks like he too has “spells,” he “wavers.” Which is odd who in some games look solid as a wall. I still think he’s our #1 guy, but I’m not convinced he’s not still being affected by that hit… or maybe by pressure.
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by not norm ullman on Feb 12, 2012 11:57 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
I think it’s inconsistency to be honest. We have spells where we beat good teams, and get destroyed by bad ones. It shows that we have what it takes to be a playoff team, but for whatever reason, we aren’t consistent enough to put it all together yet.
Same is true with our goalies. We saw how good Reimer was last year, and how good Gus was in January – they just aren’t consistent enough yet to be considered #1’s. Unfortunately for us, the goaltending position requires consistency a lot more than the forward or defence positions.
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by MLS on Feb 12, 2012 12:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The worst problem, in my eyes, is the young defence. Phaneuf, although normally decent defensively, can’t be playing 25 mins a game, or else he gets danced around by LARS-FREEKIN-ELLER. Our breakout might be the worst in the league, and our tendency to turn the puck over in dangerous areas is nauseating.
Our forwards could use some size, as they are also particularly awful at maintaining possession in the offensive zone (besides any line Grabovski’s on).
Our goaltending has gone through cycles of awesome and awful, so although some consistency would be nice, I’m not too concerned with it. Reimer’s young and Gustavsson has shown signs of improvement this season.
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I agree Dion is not a shutdown guy, he is filling that role for komisarek/schenn who have been unable to assume that responsibility. Dion and the team would look much better defensively with a true shutdown guy – much like what willie mitchell is to doughty or weaver does for campbell on their teams.
All teams have those kinds games occasionally, though it sure seems the leaf team show up this way too often and moreso then better teams.
Dion isn’t a shutdown guy? Well he’d better stop doing a great job most nights against the toughest opposition other teams can throw at him before someone notices
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 12, 2012 1:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He is the number 6 in defense for points. So he does have aspects of a offensive defenseman.
He is paired against the toughest competition, and does fairly well.
He is as shutdowny as we have at the moment.
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by Nifty Mittens on Feb 12, 2012 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
He performs the role of a shutdown defender on the leafs because of necessity. I think of him as more of a balanced defender than a pure shutdown guy. In ideal scenario, a true shutdown defender (Schenn or Komi) would shutdown the opponents on top line. And give Phaneuf easier competition to create offense and limit or eliminate his PK time. It is great that he not one dimensional offensive defenceman but I think he is being asked to do too much.
Ideally, yes.
In the meantime we have Luke “giveaway” Schenn and Komi having a reserved seat in the pressbox.
So Dion and gunnar will remain our shutdown guys.
At least it's not Lebda.
by Nifty Mittens on Feb 12, 2012 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
Both Schenn and Komisarek do fine when they have less to do…meaning less icetime…..both are likely gone by the 27th,although if you belive the rumors out there…it won’t be for a stud #1 centre
by wayne scarlett on Feb 12, 2012 10:09 PM EST up reply actions
I’d take a very good shut down guy who can put up points over a “pure” shut down guy every day of the week
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 12, 2012 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
You might find this interesting...
5v5 Zone Start adjusted on-ice goals for per 20 minutes this season.
Gardiner 1.087
Schenn 1.059
Liles 0.923
Franson 0.854
Gunnarsson 0.811
Phaneuf 0.805
Phaneuf last year: 0.873
Phaneuf in 2009-10: 0.802
Schenn last year: 0.873
Schenn in 2009-10: 0.979
Phaneuf is better defensively than Schenn, but I think we over rate his offensive ability simply because he gets a lot of ice time and especially PP ice time, and as a result gets more points. More opportunity = more points, not more talented = more points. Phaneuf has 16 ES points compared to Schenn’s 15 and Gardiner’s 14 and Schenn and Gardiner have significantly less ice time. Liles has 11 ES points in 40 games (to Phaneuf’s 56).
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by HockeyAnalysis on Feb 12, 2012 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
Phaneuf puts up points that against tougher competition.
And yes it appears Schenn flys under the radar.
Actually Phaneuf doesn’t play against tougher competition. Here are their opposition goals against per 20 minutes.
Schenn 0.768
Gunnarsson 0.769
Franson 0.772
Liles 0.774
Gardiner 0.774
Phaneuf 0.780
Phaneuf’s opponents have given up the most goals against per 20 minutes this season. Phaneuf does play against the best offensively capable competition, but not on the defensive side.
In general, QoC is hugely over rated. As you see above, there really isn’t much separating the 6 of them.
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by HockeyAnalysis on Feb 12, 2012 9:15 PM EST up reply actions
but I thought he was spoon fed power play time? does not the other team put forward their best defenders against a 1st power play unit?
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 12, 2012 9:21 PM EST up reply actions
I am talking even strength.
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by HockeyAnalysis on Feb 12, 2012 10:17 PM EST up reply actions
well he’s kinda busy playing against the toughest offensive competition at ES
so between heavy power play time and playing 20ish mins a night against the Ovechkins and Stamkos’ of the world, when is Dion going to get time to play against what most would consider butter soft competition for a defender?
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 13, 2012 5:13 AM EST up reply actions
im aware, I’ve been preaching Schenn’s under rated and under utilized offensive game since day one
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 12, 2012 8:58 PM EST up reply actions
I was more pointing out Phaneuf’s over rated offensive game.
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by HockeyAnalysis on Feb 12, 2012 9:17 PM EST up reply actions
how is it over rated? because he scores on the power play? You call it a difference in talent, but he might actually get PP time because,you know, he scores on the PP?
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 12, 2012 9:20 PM EST up reply actions
Fair enough, but you gotta be able to produce offensive ES too. He is tied for 20th in ES points by defensemen and 40th in ES points per game. He is 11th in PP points per game.
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by HockeyAnalysis on Feb 12, 2012 10:34 PM EST up reply actions
Could you please clarify that last statement?
On a scale of 3.7 to 11.43, just how much of a loser IS Dion Phaneuf?
And after calling him a loser, and quantifying his loserdom, could you please also print out your home address, so he can hunt you down and kill you with a rock?
Thanking you in advance.
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by not norm ullman on Feb 13, 2012 11:20 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I live in Calgary….so I have yet to get home to see a Marlies game…but we keep hearing about this kid Symon Gysbers….is he a player that can step in and help?
by wayne scarlett on Feb 12, 2012 10:11 PM EST up reply actions
Even if you 'don't even watch the games'
And only look at his BehindTheNet numbers, Dion actually looks okay as a ‘shutdown’ guy:
Faces the toughest Comp among defenseman (it isn’t close either).
his zone starts are towards the offensive side (51.7), but he also has an ozone finish of 53.3, so the play is still going the right way.
His CorsiOn is .18, meaning that the Leafs battle the opposition to a draw when he is on the ice. His CorsiRel is 4.8, meaning the team is much better when he is on the ice. The only other Dmen with positive Corsi scores are Gardiner and Franson, who are also the most sheltered Dmen on the team. Gunnarson is actually close to a draw, and he gets tougher zone starts than Phaneuf.
Anyway, Dion is doing his job defensively, and he is 6th in points for Defensmen. He is absolutely a top pairing guy. Now we just need a partner for him ( I think Gunnar would be an excellent number 3, paired with a guy like Liles).
I think Phaneuf as a balanced defender and not a shutdown defender. He really shouldn’t be playing too much on the PK but needs too because of necessity. And yes he is top pairing dman. And with a true shutdown defender on the team to offload him, I think Phaneuf would show up even better. That is, I think he is getting a bad rap because he is being spread to thin.
Just curious what your definition of a shut down defender is?
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by theninjagreg on Feb 12, 2012 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
I’d say that the Leafs need a guy who is able to face top competition and win to pair with Phaneuf.
So perhaps one could say we need a ‘shut down defender’ in the sense that we don’t need a guy who brings offence, he could just be a Dan Hamhuis / Francois Beauchemin type.
But he is still coming in to be Dion’s partner, that will still be the ‘Shut Down’ pairing.
A shutdown defender minimizes shots against/scoring chances.
Phaneuf limits shots against as a percentage of total shots. That is, his offensive game (the fact he can direct pucks in the offensive zone) is part of his success.
The only defenders on the Leafs who have less shots allowed per 60 are Franson and Liles, who are basically our 3rd pair right now. Phaneuf has also played a good chunk of the season with Schenn or Aulie, 2 of the 3 worst defenders on our team in terms of SA. Phaneuf is definitely performing the role of a shut-down guy right now.
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by Draglikepull on Feb 12, 2012 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
Yes he is that player on the leafs. Other teams use shutdown specialist for PK and protecting close leads. The leafs are lucky to have such a balanced defender.
thing is, he shouldn’t be that player. He needs to be paired with a shutdown guy so he can be the one pushing the play forward and getting points. He’s more of an offensive defenseman, even if he can play top competition and shut them down Im not sure that’s his best use. On this current team, as is, yes that’s his role. On a better team? I doubt it.
by Goosemonster on Feb 12, 2012 7:17 PM EST up reply actions
Look
He’s currently sixth in overall points by a dman, while facing the toughest competition, often with shitty mates (Aulie & Schenn), and plays tough opposition to a tie.
So, let’s count it up:
Can play big minutes? Check
Plays well against top competition? Check
With occasionally awful linemates? Double check
Can put up points? Check
Is top 10 in points by a Dman? Fuck to the yes!
Dion Phaneuf is great. Arguably our best player. There is no team in the league where he is not the at least third best Dman, and there are only a handful of teams with 2 that are better.
If we pair him with a ‘shut down’ guy, which I take it just means a guy who plays good defence but brings little offence (a la Dan Hamhuis), that pairing will still face the toughest competition.
Dion would still be playing a ‘Shut Down’ role.
by samspade on Feb 12, 2012 7:36 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Most PK TOI on the Bruins – Chara
2nd most PK TOI on the Predators – Weber (5 seconds behind Suter)
Most PK TOI on the Blackhawks – Seabrook
Using guys who are good at both ends of the rink in tough defensive situations isn’t that unusual.
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by Draglikepull on Feb 12, 2012 8:05 PM EST up reply actions
Depends on who the team
The Panthers have Campbell and Kings have Doughty. on #1 pair.
The Panthers use Weaver or Kings Mitchell from their #2 pair on the PK. They also get more dzone starts and face similar competition to the first line pairing.
Going into the season, I saw Schenn (or Komisarek) would be a similar “shutdown” defender (on pairing 2) and offload Phaneuf of the PK and always facing the harder competition. They are not performing that way and Dion pairing is better defensive option.
I think in some ways, Phaneuf could put up even more points – more like Campbell – if the second pairing was more competent.
Chara is UFA in July……Hmmmm,he has already played for the Sens and Bruins…..wouldn’t it be sweet if the Leafs could convince him to come to the them for 2 or 3 years?
by wayne scarlett on Feb 12, 2012 10:27 PM EST up reply actions
In fact, Chara signed his new 7-year contract about 18 months ago, and is already half finished his first year on it.
Interesting fact: it was the first and only(?) contract signed under the provisions of the Kovalchuk Clause™, which stipulates that really, really old dudes don’t get to spread the cap hit all the way down the line.
Therefore, when a long tail drags the contract further than gravity drags an old man’s scrotum (i.e. after the age of 40), the player’s cap hit for his twilight years is equal to that season’s salary.
What looks like a benefit of having Chara’s cap hit drop down to $4MM, is actually a hindrance to the Bruins, who only get to spread the big money years over the first six years.
Frankly, I don’t know why they couldn’t have simply got him for an even seven million, for six years. Chara’s agent scored a win, in my opinion. The deal is bigger than the one that Ottawa refused to give him. And those were for his prime years.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Feb 13, 2012 4:41 AM EST up reply actions
Deeply concerned about our goaltending.
Thorburn goal against Winnipeg shortly after Philthy’s 30th brutal. Sucked the life outta the team and gave the Jets and their fans life. Horrible goal given up by Gus.
First goal last night by Cole in a tight tense game. Brutal. Reimer has to have that. My daughter would have saved that, and my daughter does not play hockey let alone goalie.
Our goaltending is not good enough or consistent enough. Can’t be giving up a cheapie per game which is all too often the case.
I was horrified the Leafs did not go get a vet last summer, not Giggy of course as in re-sign him, but a vet be it anyone to fall back on. Anyone good. Anyone decent.
Goaltending our sinkhole, our Bermuda Triangle for tooooooo long now. You have almost all played the game. You know what a goal like last night’s by Cole and the Thorburn goal in Winnipeg does to the bench and to the morale of the team of course. It’s brutal. You’re working like dogs to win a hockey game and your masked man robs you of your will to win – almost. Am indulging in a mild bit of hyperbole here, but it is brutal to give up shit like that.
I question Monsieur Francois Allaire last summer who obviously recommended to Burke and the brass go ahead and sign Reimer and let’s go with Reimer and Gus for this year.
Allaire’s tenure here has not produced a top notch goalie yet. I really really wonder about him. Why did Reimer go to freakin’ Prince George, B.C. to work out during the All Star break instead of stay in Toronto and work with Allaire? Really makes me wonder and ponder about that guy as in Allaire and if his best due date turning decent goalies into stars is OVER.
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by Pyramid Power on Feb 12, 2012 5:10 PM EST up reply actions
Goaltending can only do so much for you.
That team had no will to win last night, you cannot pin that entirely on Reimer.
And we quickly forget that Reimer also gave us a couple of back-to-back shutouts last week. He is not our main problem.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Feb 12, 2012 5:16 PM EST up reply actions
Yes.
I most certainly do not pin that debacle entirely on Reimer. But man that first goal hurt badly. Badly.
I just do not think Reimer is as good as most Leaf fans think he is. I do not think Allaire is the goalie coach he once was. I do not think Gustavsson is our answer in nets either.
I think shoddy goaltending IS our main problem. Neither of these guys is capable of taking this team to where it wants to go imo. Is Rynnas progressing this year with the Marlies? I know not.
What do you think our main problem is 50 Mission Cap?
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by Pyramid Power on Feb 12, 2012 5:23 PM EST up reply actions
Army?
Why was Army in the press box last night too I will ask? I have looked but can’t find the answer as to why.
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by Pyramid Power on Feb 12, 2012 5:26 PM EST up reply actions
Because he has not been playing very well. I actually didn’t notice he was in the box. I also never notice him on the ice when does play.
I will stand beside him with an axe! @theninjagreg
by theninjagreg on Feb 12, 2012 6:42 PM EST up reply actions
Overpaid. Underachieving.
Same with me. Seldom notice him doing anything of note. Connolly and Kulemin also on my shit list as I am sure he is with everyone here. NOT doing enough. NEED more guys!
Wonder if his teammates were furious that he was a healthy scratch last night, and played like it as in furious at their overlords? Kidding. Kinda.
Great in the room and off the ice and very very popular with his teammates as you undoubtedly know. I am sure that was not the case but Army is not a brain surgeon.
Hides a concussion from the team doctors? What goes on Colby? Really, what goes on Colby?
I get you want to be tough and work thru your issues and get back on the ice, but that was DUMB.
LOTS of problems with this team. Let the sad trombone continue.
This team had a chance to climb up as high as fourth with some grit, effort and nastiness and ability to find a way to win over Winnipeg and Montreal and even Philly. They did not and now we are going to battle for a playoff spot til the very bitter end because of this losing streak. Sad. I thought this year would be different, but, but, but at least it looks pretty good for the playoffs. See if they can make some noise then.
My dream scenario is for the Leafs to match up with the Bruins in the first round and then, well, let 81 go crazy and shut Bruins fans up forever taking them out!
Kessel also goes wild over the remainder of the season, catches Stamkos, wins the Rocket and perhaps even the Ross and we laugh and laugh and laugh. Will my fantasy play out? Like most fantasies, not a fucking chance in hell. One can dream though eh?
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by Pyramid Power on Feb 12, 2012 7:03 PM EST up reply actions
and the fact that it was offside….I guess doesn’t even enter the conversation
by wayne scarlett on Feb 12, 2012 10:28 PM EST up reply actions
Wild reply fail but anyway.
I also wonder about Allaire vis a vis or vesa a vesa (ahem, excuse me) and what he has done or did to Gustavsson trying to change him from a successful SEL standup style goalie to an Allairian butterfly goalie?
Why would Francois not say hey Gus just do what got ya here and we’ll tinker a bit but do NOT change your style very fundamentally. I mean Gus is on record as saying he just wants to play like he did in Sweden. He said that although I do not have the link to prove that. He did say that though and I think that goes back to Allaire as in Francois tried to change his style to his style and it did NOT work out. Not even close.
I leave it to the Leafs intelligentsia here to draw their own conclusions or make their own comments IF they see this.
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by Pyramid Power on Feb 12, 2012 5:19 PM EST up reply actions
Another Allaire thing.
Why the hell didn’t this guy tell Burke and the gang last year that Giggy was done as in his groin was shot way way way before he was finally finally mercifully shut down? Why didn’t he tell them that Giggy was finished and why was he not yanked outta our nets far far earlier than he was?
Again, I question Monsieur Francois Allaire and the cult of goalie personality, the profound love and respect for this guy, that imo has yielded almost NOTHING for our organization. Toskala and him could not work together. Bryzgalov hated Allaire and vice versa. Whaddup Francois? What the fuck is up with you man?
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by Pyramid Power on Feb 12, 2012 5:38 PM EST up reply actions
Going into last night the Bruins had lost 4 out of 6 games including a 3-0 loss to Carolina and a 6-0 loss to the Sabres. Both of those teams are near the bottom of the standings. 82 games is a long season, every team loses a bunch, and some of those losses are going to be lopsided.
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by Draglikepull on Feb 12, 2012 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
Sure, but in the previous 36 games they went 28-6-2. I’m willing to bet that there would be fewer complaints about last nights 5-0 loss (or the 3 consecutive losses) if the Leafs were coming off a 28-6-2 stretch.
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by HockeyAnalysis on Feb 12, 2012 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
Don’t get me wrong, last night’s game was embarassing. I turned it off after the 2nd period. I just don’t think people should be drawing conclusions about our entire season on the basis of a 3 game stretch.
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by Draglikepull on Feb 12, 2012 2:04 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Except if you subtract the first 13 games.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Feb 12, 2012 3:37 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Good to see that the Bruins are mortal. Though I still think only two teams in the East can beat them:
A healthy Pittsburgh (who might actually be a overall better team).
The New York Rangers, who, while they aren’t necessarily a better overall team, are built and play in such a way that seems expressly designed to counter the Bruins.
Don't forget Carolina.
The Hurricanes are 4-0 against the Bruins this year out scoring them 14-5.
Luckily for the Bruins, Carolina won’t make the playoffs.
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by HockeyAnalysis on Feb 12, 2012 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
Carolina won't make the playoffs
But I like that they aren’t selling their team off. I think most of their problem was that Eric Staal had a shit year. They can add a high pick this year, and they’ll have Staal / Skinner / New guy to build around. No tanking required.
Hell, they should probably try to add a guy like, say, Ryan Malone (who will only be paid 2.5 mil next year) just to round out they offence next year.
Although he will never admit it publically…I believe Eric was very badly effected by the hit he laid on his brother Marc…costing Marc about 50 games to start the season…..also,the fact that Eric Cole was allowed to leave
by wayne scarlett on Feb 12, 2012 10:38 PM EST up reply actions
Trade idea
Ales Hemsky
The guy has bad scoring (4 goals and 20 assists), but his puck possession numbers are pretty damn solid (and lord knows the Leafs need guys who can push the play forward). He’s also a UFA. And, admittedly, there are injury questions, but he’s played 42 games this year.
It obviously depends on Edmonton’s demands, but I wondering if the cost will be cheaper than for Penner because of his lack of scoring?
Personally...
I don’t want to be anywhere near Hemsky or Penner,
Pass
Injury concerns + declining production + at 28 doesn’t really fit in with the ‘core’ the Leafs are building for the next 3-5 seasons.
by LeaferinOttawa on Feb 12, 2012 1:50 PM EST up reply actions
both, he would cost way too much, and be another Connolly, offensivly gifted, but hurt all the time
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 12, 2012 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
Connolly can be had for a second or third round pick…or so I keep hearing…and again,I’m in Calgary…so anything I get is most times third or even fourth party
by wayne scarlett on Feb 12, 2012 10:41 PM EST up reply actions
He can’t score goals, and he gives up a lot, and there are injury issues and he is a UFA but other than that he is great. Let’s get him.
Or maybe not.
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by HockeyAnalysis on Feb 12, 2012 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t deny that it is a skill, and even a somewhat useful one. But if you can’t capitalize on it, it doesn’t matter much. It’s like saying a goalie has a great glove hand. It’s nice to have a great glove hand, but if he has a five hole big enough for a beach ball to go through, he isn’t a good goalie.
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by HockeyAnalysis on Feb 12, 2012 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
And to be honest, I don’t think Hemsky is a bad player. He just isn’t what the Leafs need and I don’t think he’d make the team better.
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by HockeyAnalysis on Feb 12, 2012 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
Last night sucked
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by runaroundkid on Feb 12, 2012 1:52 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
If your replaced the knife with a whiskey bottle and the blood with tears.
That would have been me.
At least it's not Lebda.
by Nifty Mittens on Feb 12, 2012 2:08 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Oh no, three losses. Panic. Trade everyone.
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by Chemmy on Feb 12, 2012 2:22 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
The three losses aside, this team has some very serious holes.
Our possession numbers on the year put us in the bottom third of the league. I’m not saying thats the only thing, but it’s pretty obvious to the eyes that we are winning because a few guys are playing really well.
So outside of a few guys, yeah trading everyone isn’t the worst idea.
Sure, if you don’t mind another “rebuild” that the leafs don’t need
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 12, 2012 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
Wake Up Leaf Nation - Your Job Is At Risk
Because the time has clearly come… not just for deadline trading of under-performing, traffic-averse wingers, but also for…
… a thorough-going cleansing of Leaf Nation itself.
That’s right. You. The bums in seats, swillers of indistinguishable and undistinguished suds, self-desacribed working class wanks, out there shouting at your TV set all night.
You could be traded.
Truth is, you’ve been under-performing for years. Too many hours spent arguing about which 4th-liner makes the line-up; too many hours spent dreaming of Nash and Suter, hand thrust deep into your sweats; too many hard-earned dollars spent discussing which asshole loser’s name will adorn your new Leaf third – a sweater no one should buy until they make this team makes the 3rd round of the playoffs.
Thus, and so, dirty job though it is, and with no thought of personal glory or recompense (though a pair of season’s tickets wouldn’t go astray), I’ve decided to take on this Augean task, of sorting out the loose from the strife, the shorn from bedraggled, the Quality Leaf Fan from the Compleat Talking Turd.
That’s right, fuckers.
I’m making a list.
And you know what?
I’m not even gonna bother checking it twice.
If your name’s on it, you’re outta here.
And you – that’s right, YOU - may – or may not – but more likely may – be on it.
See, there’s a few too many of you out there suffering from what I like to call “The Blue and White Disease.” (Catchy, huh? Well, I’m kinda known for that. Bit of a visionary. Only with words. A “wordinary,” as I call people like me. Yeah, that’s right. I just coined another.)
Anyway. Remember Ian White and Matt Stajan? I’m not surprised. That’s just what I’d expect from fans with Blue and White disease.
And if you so suffer, you could very easily find yourself shipped outta town quicker than Jason Blake when Anaheim called.
As the great Dean Wormer once said about this condition, “Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son.”
Though these are words a few of you Blue and Whiters have apparently come to live by.
And words you may well find yourself living by, as you sit in a Hotel bar out near the Airport, cheering for… Columbus.
Because I happen to like a lot of those young Columbus fans. They’re eager, they work hard, and they have continued to do so with very little to show for it.
Jets fans as well. The White-Out crew are – surprisingly – a bit less than fully multi-cultural, but if there’s one thing they know how to do… it’s come on, and bring the NOIZE. Which misspelling appeals to me. Because I’m cool.
And, though some of you won’t like hearing this, there are even Habs fans – that’s right, Habs fans – who have shown some real…. poise.
Poise, fuckers.
Time to raise your game, Leaf fans. And your expectations.
Time to get into those heavily-trafficked areas and put a few wounding comments on target.
Time to shut-down the excuses, and incite our better players to play… better.
Oh yeah. Praying to Santy Claus won’t help you none. Fucker’s a Habs fan.
Loves him some elf, does the Fat Man.
And above all… stay off my fucking list.
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by not norm ullman on Feb 12, 2012 3:02 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
You know what Edmonton’s problem is?
They trade away good players for lottery tickets.
You know what our problem is?
A lack of good players.
We have a few, and I’d like to keep all of them. But we have too many guys who just are giving us much of anything, defensively or offensively. The defensive side in particular is awful.
Oh no, three losses. Panic. Trade everyone.
I like the sounds of that. Who do you think the Leafs could get for everyone?
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by mf37 on Feb 12, 2012 2:41 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
logic dictates a trade for everyone would net us everything.
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by daoust on Feb 12, 2012 3:09 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This is why most NHL GMs wait a day or two after a terrible loss to make deals. You’re just not thinking clearly after that kind of game.
Every team has terrible games like that. And the Leafs are streakier than most; they win and lose games in bunches.
The next winning streak is coming. And yes, after that, the Leafs will almost surely have another losing streak. The key is making sure one is bigger than the other.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Feb 12, 2012 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
Pretty sure the reaction would have been a lot different had the Leafs lost 2-1 instead of 5-0
Dat rebuild
Big difference between “That game sucked!” (true) and “This team sucks!” (not true)
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by Draglikepull on Feb 12, 2012 8:07 PM EST up reply actions
Good news time...
Rangers beat Capitals 3-2 in regulation. Washington’s still behind Toronto…at least for now.
1/1/11: Saw the beginning of the Optimus Reim era. And it was glorious!!!1
Oh...and Phil Kessel says YAAAAAAYYYY!!!1
Yeah I watched that. While watching a series vs the Rangers would be awesome due to it being the playoffs, having to watch a possible 4 games at MSG sucks. That building is so dark and the camera angle today was shit.
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by joe leaf fan on Feb 12, 2012 3:03 PM EST up reply actions
No reason to panic. I’d rather see us trade for draft picks. Trading to get mercenaries, our usual short-sighted epic fail strategy, should not be an option. Getting a merc when the team is a true contender for the Cup, fine, but making merc trades now is asinine. Unless all you care about is making the playoffs, and winning the Cup is an afterthought at best.
Trading for roster players who would have a future beyond this season is the main plan, not rentals.
Selling when we’re in the thick of a playoff race is silly. Addition by subtraction isn’t the answer.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Feb 12, 2012 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
TML Bailout
being a leaf fan only makes the rich richer.
by aki berg fan club on Feb 12, 2012 4:19 PM EST reply actions
I got talked into opening up last night at a bar for a few friends but made sure that I was able to watch the opening ceremonies before I left for the gig. I positioned myself on stage so I could clearly see the TV’s without anything getting in my way. Just as I started playing the second period started and I’d missed all the first. The lesson of the day? Don’t watch the Leafs while playing music for people. They can tell when bad things happen on TV. Luckily it was a bar full of Leafs fans so I didn’t catch any shit and even had a few drinks bought for me by people who felt my pain.
If you look up "Loyalty" in the dictionary you'll see a picture of a Leafs fan wearing a Todd Gill jeresy looking like he just got punched in the stomach
by Ghostsof on Feb 12, 2012 4:22 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
Leafs honored another Swede last night
..it was Ingmar Bergman, because they were so miserable.
by sidehacker on Feb 12, 2012 4:27 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
Philippe Dupuis had two goals and Matt Frattin added a single as the Toronto Marlies dumped the Hamilton Bulldogs 5-1 in American Hockey League action at Ricoh Coliseum on Saturday.
Dupuis is nearly a point a game player in the AHL.
What the fuck?
At least it's not Lebda.
Just some more on Dion
I didn’t realize his scoring ranked that high this year. If you look at the guys above him, only Weber has the toughest comp scores on his team. Timmonen and Boyle are right behind him and play tough comp.
Point is, and I’m not saying he should win in, but the guy probably deserves some Norris talk at this point. We’ll see how things play out the rest of the year.
It is Karlssons’ to lose and I think Lidstrom will get another one this season or next…but I agree,Dion should get some votes this season…maybe enough people who would normally vote for the highest scorer,will vote for Dion…and give Lidstrom the trophy as a going into retirement gift
by wayne scarlett on Feb 12, 2012 9:59 PM EST up reply actions
I expect Karlsson will get it because generally they vote for offensive defensemen, not best defensemen, especially if the Sens end up making the playoffs.
Lidstrom is probably more deserving of it this year than last year, but last year he got the ‘one last time’ vote so who knows if he can pull that off again. It wouldn’t surprise me. Shea Weber and Zdeno Chara also deserve consideration. To me those four are by far the top 4 favourites and all are a step above everyone else. My dark horse pick would be Alex Pietrangelo. He doesn’t quite have the offensive numbers but is a big part of the Blues defensive game.
Phaneuf should not get any serious attention IMO.
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by HockeyAnalysis on Feb 12, 2012 10:49 PM EST up reply actions
Playoffs or not, Karlsson is not really in the running, in my opinion.
Whether he deserves it or not (he doesn’t), and even if he wins the scoring title or not (he will), the fact remains that the voters never go young and rarely go one-dimensional.
I may not think of him as one-dimensional, but he is far from good defensively. He gives the puck away quite often, though his Gardineresque speed allows him to always tie his skate and then rush back and break up the play. So every giveaway is negated. Every single one. Without exception.
Seriously though, despite his proclivity to give the puck away, the kid is the NHL’s answer to Chris Paul, in that he scores waaaaay more Steals than any other guard in the league. Compare his giveaway/takeaway ratios to other All-Stars, like Chara, Letang or Phaneuf, and the kid is a menace to both teams on the ice.
Nevertheless, voters don’t give a shit about takeaways, nor should they.
Karlsson will end his career with a Norris or three on his mantle, but they won’t come this year or next. Maybe if he hits 80 points, with near 20 goals, but even then.
A nomination, on the other hand ….
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Feb 13, 2012 4:58 AM EST up reply actions
Something to help the mood around here
History Will Be Made – Scott Gomez
Focus on what really matters in life.
(Lol)
by BubbaLou on Feb 12, 2012 8:58 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
My girlfriend and I are in Kelowna for a week…I need someone in the Toronto market to refute this……we just heard on the radio that the Leafs are talking to the LA Kings about Mike Richards..and Jonathan Bernier……the “reporter” didn’t say who would be going west….
I am not starting a rumor…I am trying to refute one.Has anyone else heard this?
I wouldn’t be shocked. I think we can be pretty certain that Burke had interest in Richards when Philly made him available and as a fan I hope that he realizes that his long term goaltending answer may not be named Gustavsson or Reimer (though I wouldn’t completely give up on Reimer yet). If a deal for these guys happened I’d expect to see one of Gustavsson or Reimer going the other way, one of the defensemen (Schenn, Franson, Gunnarsson) and maybe a young forward (Kadri, Colborne, Bozak) and/or a draft pick. Who knows, maybe they would want (accept) Connolly instead of Kadri/Colborne/Bozak.
As a Leaf fan, I’d love to see Richards. He isn’t an elite offensive center but he is a good one and a good defensive center too. He’d be able to play with Kessel and Lupul and provide a better defensive presence than Bozak.
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by HockeyAnalysis on Feb 12, 2012 11:00 PM EST up reply actions
Taking Mike Richards out of the equation, Bernier doesn’t seem much different than Reimer – just more experienced. His S% is around .910, so I don’t know if that’s an upgrade per se. If it’s a backup goalie swap, then it makes sense and may be a bit of an upgrade. However, two 23 year old goalies… not sure if that’s worked ever.
If I were Burke, and moving a defenseman, I’d see if Slava Voynov (rather than Bernier) is available. Numbers look good even though he’s struggled this year, still time for him to develop (although the Leafs have traditionally been bad at this).
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