Shakin' It Up
by JP Nikota on Feb 14, 2012 7:00 AM EST
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PrintSo long, MGK line. Well, for a little while, anyway. Ron Wilson has shaken up the Leafs' forward lines a bit. The top line remains the same, but Nikolai Kulemin has been demoted to the third line, and Tim Connolly will be given an opportunity on the wing of Mikhail Grabovski. As per Mirtle:
Lupul - Bozak - Kessel
MacArthur - Grabovski - Connolly
Kulemin - Lombardi - Crabb
Brown - Steckel - Boyce
Phaneuf - Schenn
Liles - Komisarek
Gardiner - Franson
Gustavsson
This, of course, assumes that Carl Gunnarsson is going to be out for at least the next game.
We've got a LOT of links for your perusal after the jump, so I hope you've got your reading glasses on.
Leafs Links:
Leafs Nation Podcast
Myself, PPP, and Kent Wilson put this latest edition together. From The Leafs Nation.
Marlies Weekly Update - February 7-14
Jeff Veillette with another update from the farm at The Leafs Nation.
With a struggling second Leaf unit, is it good enough to have two "fourth" lines?
Beats the past few years, when we've had three. From Michael Langlois at VLM.
Marlies Add Andrew Martens
If you just said "Who?", then read on for Jeffler's update.
Marlies Hot & Cold: February 6th-12th
The latest from Kyle the Reporter.
Gunnarsson hurt in practice after collision with teammate
Well, you've probably already heard this, but I can't not link it. From James Mirtle.
Maple Leafs looking out for No. 1
Reimer's poor game against Montreal notwithstanding, I refuse to say that this team has a 'goaltending controversy'. James Reimer, all the way.
The Leafs' Achilles' Heel and How It Can Be Addressed
Curt S at BCP believes that the Leafs need an answer for dump-and-chase + trapping teams.
Leafs Nation FanCam
Please tag as many Habs fans with joke names as possible. Share screenshots afterward.
Other Hockey Links:
Elliotte Friedman's 30 Thoughts
You read now. From CBC.
Report: Rick Nash on the trading block
From Greg Wyshynski at Puck Daddy.
Hockey Day Sets Records For CBC
From stevelpore at Puck The Media.
Flyers’ Zac Rinaldo suspended two games for high hit, being Zac Rinaldo
From Harrison Mooney at Puck Daddy.
Penner makes the best of flapjack fiasco
I can't think of the last time that a player turned a joke at his own expense into a profit for others with such aplomb. From Eric Duhatschek.
Valentine's Day Cards: Hockey Edition
Good stuff from Dirty Dangle.
Backhand Shelf Podcast
No Leafs-related stuff, but still interesting.
Stu Hackel Week on Arctic Ice Hockey: Man games-lost to injury
Leafs sit 22nd overall in this regard, which is good. From Hawerchuk at AIH.
Make Hockey Happen
If this doesn't make you grin from ear to ear, check your pulse. Link from Justin Bourne.
History Lessons: Chronicles of Maritime Badassery
A fantastic read by Ellen Etchingham. Really, check this out.
A short conversation with Pat Quinn
No Leafs-related talk, but Dave Cunning from the Backhand Shelf still has a decent little interview.
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My favorite part about this story is that the dad pretended to be from Hamilton and…
He made sure he didn’t shave or shower that day and put on a baseball cap to make him look the part.
by Peter Lynn on Feb 14, 2012 9:16 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
*sniff sniff, yep he smells like Hamilton
"They build a statue, they knock it down and piss on it, and now they will be out there building it again."
by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 14, 2012 9:28 AM EST up reply actions
fuck thieves like that. good on him for catching the guy.
by Goosemonster on Feb 14, 2012 9:33 AM EST up reply actions
Well maybe we could trade for… WHAT? Andy Sutton is already signed? Damnit! Oh well we’re screwed then.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 14, 2012 9:01 AM EST up reply actions
Last night was a good night,
both the habs and washington lost in regulation. That helps our playoff push :)
Just win, baby
Professional cusser causer.
by T is for Truculence on Feb 14, 2012 8:57 AM EST up reply actions
Maybe Elliotte finally gave in and wrote one where nos. 1 to 30 were
Fuck You Healy
Professional cusser causer.
by T is for Truculence on Feb 14, 2012 9:03 AM EST up reply actions
Does anyone have a cached version? It has literally been stripped from their website.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 14, 2012 9:17 AM EST up reply actions
that part me me not like this guy a bit “Oh well he works in a plant, he must be a lazy slob”
Dammit Gomez.
by elseldo on Feb 14, 2012 9:20 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Didn’t get the chance, too bad, I hope there wasnt something juicy in there that had to be removed.
by Goosemonster on Feb 14, 2012 9:34 AM EST up reply actions
based on one of his tweets last night, it’s possible his son wrote his 30 thoughts too
Finally got twitter...@mapleleafmjt
by Chi-town leafs on Feb 14, 2012 9:40 AM EST up reply actions
When the new version is up, we’ll play a fun game called “Can You Spot The Difference?”
(link won’t embed – sbnation doesn’t like the % signs)
RIP Former-and-forever Leaf Wade Belak
Me on Twitter
by Bower Power on Feb 14, 2012 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
Leafs and Penguins played back-to-back on January 31 and February 1. Upon landing in Toronto after the first one, the Pittsburgh plane got the full-body cavity search
Somebody make a Malkin back checking joke
At least it's not Lebda.
by Nifty Mittens on Feb 14, 2012 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
Fine. I'll do it.
No wonder Malkin is afraid of back checking!
See? wasn’t so hard.
At least it's not Lebda.
by Nifty Mittens on Feb 14, 2012 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
This is where the Flyers miss Chris Pronger most. Pronger could be merciless on underperfoming teammates, but, when he demanded a higher level, they responded. No doubt Claude Giroux’s game went to another level after a confrontation last March with the captain.
I wonder what Phaneuf said in their closed meeting. Looking forward to tonight.
4. Apparently, no GM is burning up the phone lines more than George McPhee. The Capitals face Canadian-franchise-level pressure to succeed.
For what? Some one that can inspire Ovi to return to 3 years ago Ovechkin?
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 14, 2012 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
Also, hmm
10. Leafs and Penguins played back-to-back on January 31 and February 1. Upon landing in Toronto after the first one, the Pittsburgh plane got the full-body cavity search — a rarity in the NHL. Prediction: next time Toronto visits Western Pennsylvania, the team’s hotel is “accidentally” made public.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 14, 2012 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
I hope this doesn’t fall into a spiral of petty “lets get them back” shit
Kadri Fanboy since 2006
by WizardofNaz on Feb 14, 2012 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
the spiral ends with a Shero/Burke barn fight
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by Chi-town leafs on Feb 14, 2012 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
Ugh
16. Sounds like Mikhail Grabovski, agent Gary Greenstin and the Toronto Maple Leafs are playing a game of contract chicken. The Maple Leafs don’t want to go above $5 million, but it appears as if the player/agent equate value with the team’s highest-paid forward, Phil Kessel ($5.4 million). Who’s going to blink first?
At least they’re talking? If him leaving is because of 0.4M I’m gunna be sad.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 14, 2012 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
I also don’t think Grabo will be the highest paid forward on the team either. It says Leafs won’t go above 5 but I’m guessing they are still trying to get a # below that.
Kadri Fanboy since 2006
by WizardofNaz on Feb 14, 2012 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
9. Comrie and Joffrey Lupul are proof that if you’re going to bring a player to his hometown, better be careful. Might be better to do it when they’re a little older, more experienced and prepared to handle all of the extra stuff that comes with it.
Makes sense. To this day (whether true or not), like 90% of people in Edmonton are convinced Lupul was a complete cokehead when he was an Oiler.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Feb 14, 2012 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
Did he get the blood thing before or after he was in Edmonton?
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by T is for Truculence on Feb 14, 2012 11:00 AM EST up reply actions
Well, well after. He got that in 2009-10. He played for the Oilers in 2006-07.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Feb 14, 2012 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
30 thoughts is back up, only change that I can see is an added blurb about Nash at the start
www.twitter.com/CameronSorley
by CameronSorley on Feb 14, 2012 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
Let's just get this out of the way: Rick Nash - yes or no
Even though I love Rick Nash as a player…. I say no.
No no, dig UP stupid.
Chances are it won’t be worth it, so no.
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Dubinsky, some kid named Chris Kreider and a 1st for Nash?
Seriously? If that’s what it takes for the Rangers to get him I don’t think it’d be that bad for the Leafs
Professional cusser causer.
by T is for Truculence on Feb 14, 2012 9:02 AM EST up reply actions
Kadri/Colborne are a little more a sure thing than Kreider but they have about the same upside. Young forward in Dubinsky/Kulemin. Rangers first is obviously shit though
I would do it for that trade.
Not much more though
I think Dubinsky is probably more coveted by New York than Kulemin is to us, although Kulemin was my first instinct too. I would say Gunnar might be a better equivalent.
by A Lindros Jaw on Feb 14, 2012 9:09 AM EST up reply actions
Not really, since the Jackets are definitely looking for a top 6 forward back in return.
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Yes, but as far as quality of player, Gunnar is probably a better comparable.
Maybe between last year and this Kulemin is a good comparable, but now that he’s slumping :/
Dubinsky has also been awful this year
Dubinsky: 51GP, 6G, 24Points
Kulemin: 56GP, 5G, 23Points
It’s actually scary how similar their last 2 seasons have been.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 14, 2012 9:26 AM EST up reply actions
I was just about to post that, because I just saw that.
So yeah, Kulemin, Colborne, and a 1st. Colborne is probably equivalent to Kreider, and our 1st is better
From pretty much everything I’ve read, Kreider has a lot more potential/value than Colborne, but it’s obviously hard to compare prospects
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 14, 2012 9:28 AM EST up reply actions
Hard to find some one who is completely sold on him. He’s shown promise in the A but he was shooting at like 25% when he was putting up points like crazy. Then he went back down and was shooting at 5% and everyone thinks he’s slumping and maybe needs a lot more work.
He didn’t exactly light up the NHL… still looks like a boy in that huge frame. Maybe he can fill out this summer (not like Schenn though!)
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 14, 2012 9:52 AM EST up reply actions
Being sent back to the farm is a momentum killer.
At least it's not Lebda.
by Nifty Mittens on Feb 14, 2012 9:54 AM EST up reply actions
Matt Frattin disagrees
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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Not if you take out the first 13 games back!
At least it's not Lebda.
by Nifty Mittens on Feb 14, 2012 9:57 AM EST up reply actions
No, he still disagrees.
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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one of my issuse is even when I see him score in the AHL, its often right in front of the net banging the puck in. There’s something to be said for players that do that – they can be very useful. But I don’t know how well he will make a transition to the NHL, given he doesn’t really use his size the way we’d like (truculence). It remains to be seen, but to be honest I’d probably part with him before Kadri.
by Goosemonster on Feb 14, 2012 9:54 AM EST up reply actions
btw the scoring from the front of the net also indicates I havent seen him shoot that well, unlike say Kadri or Frattin.
by Goosemonster on Feb 14, 2012 9:55 AM EST up reply actions
given he doesn’t really use his size the way we’d like (truculence).
Sundin wasn’t exactly a truculent guy but he used his frame very well.
Without trying to invite Sundin-Colborne comparisons, that’s how I’d like Colborne to use his big body.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 14, 2012 9:55 AM EST up reply actions
And I’d be okay with that, but he didn’t seem to do that when he was up here before. We’ll see how it goes, but he’s got one or two more seasons at most before we know what he can do at the NHL level.
by Goosemonster on Feb 14, 2012 9:57 AM EST up reply actions
In the meantime, we can fantasize about Greg “27 points in 16 games” McKegg.
In the court of public opinion, Steve Simmons is Lionel Hutz.
Well for him, it’s a matter of seeing what he can do over a full season in the AHL playing against men. That’ll be a big test.
by Goosemonster on Feb 14, 2012 10:00 AM EST up reply actions
The older he gets, the less likely he’ll have a big impact in the NHL. Next September’s training camp is huge.
Pension Plan Puppets
I hope YouTube comes down to film this.
Agreed, same with Kadri. If neither makes the team despite spots being available (they aren’t always, look at this year: there was one spot) then….I dont know.
by Goosemonster on Feb 14, 2012 9:57 AM EST up reply actions
Get him to Gary Roberts, stat!
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 14, 2012 9:57 AM EST up reply actions
Kreider looks pretty good and gets rave reviews by Rangers fans.
If that was the package I’d probably do it but if I’m Columbus I might want more… unless Nash has essentially demanded a trade.
Plus there’s no way in hell that works with our cap. Most teams would need to send a bad salary back the other way.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 14, 2012 9:13 AM EST up reply actions
Most expensive line in hockey! In actual salary terms they'd be making $27M:
Nash ($7.5M) – Richards ($12M) – Gaborik ($7.5M)
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 14, 2012 9:11 AM EST up reply actions
Combined, they could be a baseball player!
by NinjasFromSpace on Feb 14, 2012 9:36 AM EST up reply actions 7 recs
Chris Kreider is the Rangers’ best prospect.
If that’s the rumoured package, the Leafs’ equivalent would be Kulemin, Kadri and a 1st, approximately.
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If Columbus really is looking to trade Nash – which I’m still not sure they are (more likely just getting a sense of his value or taking heat off of Jeff Carter) – any package starts with a potential franchise goalie.
A Rask, a Bernier, a Schneider, a Markstrom, etc.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 14, 2012 9:18 AM EST up reply actions
Boston probably can’t take on Nash’s salary, and they’ve already established Rask as the successor to Thomas’ starting job. They’re out.
LA’s intriguing, but there’s no way their cap can manage Doughty, Richards, Kopitar AND Nash.
Doubt Vancouver has the cap room for Nash.
Florida won’t part with Markstrom.
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The "rumour mongers" are suggesting Jack Johnson + Bernier type package go back to CBJ.
If there’s one in that group I might worry about not living up to the hype it’s Bernier.
Ya, that other goalies I just included as the type of young franchise goalies they’d be looking for. Obviously Rask & Markstrom are their respective teams’ futures, so they’re out.
They clearly need a solid goalie and unless they’re willing to gamble on the slightly used UFA market for years to come, they need to draft a goalie in 2012 (like a Malcolm Subban) or pick off one in a Rick Nash / Jeff Carter trade.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 14, 2012 9:23 AM EST up reply actions
LA should be ALL over Nash. It makes too much sense.
Pension Plan Puppets
I hope YouTube comes down to film this.
Whats-his-face in LA is fucking stingy as shit when it comes to trades though…. until Dustin Penner. Which pretty much blew up in his face.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 14, 2012 9:29 AM EST up reply actions
They would be so horrifically fucked under the cap next season.
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That’s one reason the suggestion is Johnson going back the other way
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 14, 2012 9:42 AM EST up reply actions
So that’s a net of like, what, 3 or 4 million cap space?
And now they have a hole on their D to replace Jack Johnson.
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There already is a hole with Jack Johnson at defense.
Pension Plan Puppets
I hope YouTube comes down to film this.
Not according to a number of LAK SBN bloggers.
OPERATION TANK IS A GO. It’s the only explanation for Mike Weber. He’s on a secret mission.
they are so starved for scoring they forget about defense
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 14, 2012 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
Speaking of LA's defense...
Willie Mitchell would be a nice free agent pickup if he was making less than his current $3.5M
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 14, 2012 9:47 AM EST up reply actions
I liked him when healthy in Van. Has he been good in LA? He is getting pretty old IIRC.I
About time that people finally realized how awesome Gunnar is...
Certified Gunnar & Kule lover!
My new goal: To get the nickname Hebrew Hammer for Mike Brown to take off.
34. Wonder if he’s still any good.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 14, 2012 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
And Methot for 3 more years @ 3M
And Tyutin for 6 more @ 4.5M.
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That is a huge contract for Tyutin. How is the leader of that asylum still in charge
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 14, 2012 9:48 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He also has Steve Mason at 2.9M next year. Howson is bad.
CCT, CBJ, SU, NYM, Bills Fan. It can be depressing.
Sometimes I tweet things
I’ve heard Tyutin is actually really good. No personal knowledge though, all second hand.I’ve
About time that people finally realized how awesome Gunnar is...
Certified Gunnar & Kule lover!
My new goal: To get the nickname Hebrew Hammer for Mike Brown to take off.
Fun with Corsi - Tyutin edition (all stats are for guys with 20+GP)
Faces 3rd toughest comp by a defender (though he has an almost identical score to the guy who ranks second, so I’d say he plays top competition)
Has a positive CorsiOn of 5.29, meaning he is actually winning the battle at even strength.
Zone starts are 45.5, zone finish is 48.6
So actually Tyutin looks pretty damn good. One caution I would put out, though, is that the Jackets are pretty much always losing, so they probably win the overall shot battle every game. It would be good to look at this for score tied / score close. Although, I should also note that Columbus is about a mid range team for Fenwick close / tied. They have really shitty goaltending.
Easy solution: trade Mike Richards to TOronto
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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Sundin 2.0, goodbye everything we have except Kessel
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 14, 2012 9:30 AM EST up reply actions
?-Kopitar-Kessel
/faints
Finally got twitter...@mapleleafmjt
by Chi-town leafs on Feb 14, 2012 9:31 AM EST up reply actions
Patrick Kane?
Then we could have the kk… oh.
At least it's not Lebda.
by Nifty Mittens on Feb 14, 2012 9:44 AM EST up reply actions
Just put Kulemin or Kadri on the line
"They build a statue, they knock it down and piss on it, and now they will be out there building it again."
by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 14, 2012 9:44 AM EST up reply actions
Must. get. Kopitar.
At least it's not Lebda.
by Nifty Mittens on Feb 14, 2012 9:31 AM EST up reply actions
It’s what we do.
At least it's not Lebda.
by Nifty Mittens on Feb 14, 2012 9:39 AM EST up reply actions
My comment was a joke. I mean I would love RIchards, but I know better
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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Yeah for Kopitar pretty much everything’s on the table. But LA isn’t that dumb.
by Goosemonster on Feb 14, 2012 9:36 AM EST up reply actions
I think Boston could probably do it cap wIse but they would be stupid to part with Rask. IF they could get Columbus to bite on Thomas (I’d laugh. Hard) than they could. think Boston
About time that people finally realized how awesome Gunnar is...
Certified Gunnar & Kule lover!
My new goal: To get the nickname Hebrew Hammer for Mike Brown to take off.
If Rask isn’t involved why would CBJ even call back? They have the room but probably won’t be willing to offer what CBJ wants.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 14, 2012 2:05 PM EST up reply actions
where do I sign?
In all honesty, I think the Leafs would have to convince the CBJ to take back at least one bad contract. Maybe Komisarek, maybe Schenn (tough to argue Schenn is worth the amount Beauchemin was making at this point).
Pension Plan Puppets
I hope YouTube comes down to film this.
How do we think Nash would feel about playing with his ex gf’s current bf?
http://bluechipprospects.blogspot.com
wait whose his ex?
Kadri Fanboy since 2006
by WizardofNaz on Feb 14, 2012 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
Also Mike Komisarek says hi.
Kadri Fanboy since 2006
by WizardofNaz on Feb 14, 2012 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
Also Mike Komisarek says hi.
Kadri Fanboy since 2006
by WizardofNaz on Feb 14, 2012 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
Also Mike Komisarek says hi.
Finally got twitter...@mapleleafmjt
by Chi-town leafs on Feb 14, 2012 10:12 AM EST up reply actions
Hi Mike Komisarek says also.
At least it's not Lebda.
by Nifty Mittens on Feb 14, 2012 10:12 AM EST up reply actions
For $8M / year he better feel fucking great about it.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 14, 2012 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
no idea but if she did….damn that girl likes hockey players. true canadian.
by Goosemonster on Feb 14, 2012 10:14 AM EST up reply actions
I thought it went Komisarek, Avery then Phaneuf for the long term win
Kadri Fanboy since 2006
by WizardofNaz on Feb 14, 2012 10:14 AM EST up reply actions
Last year with the Knights and first year in Columbus I think. Before avery definitely
http://bluechipprospects.blogspot.com
All this tells me
is that Cuthbert dates guys who will eventually become Maple Leafs.
Get ready for Avery, guys.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 14, 2012 10:15 AM EST up reply actions
everyone hates Avery. I bet Avery hates Avery
by JohnerstonRex on Feb 14, 2012 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
She was just a former host of popular mechanics for kids at the time. Haha!
http://bluechipprospects.blogspot.com
She started on 24 in 01, which was Nash’s last year in London.
Flugenweb, space code, twit zone, ass mode, check ze tweets.
what a terrible show. Need information? just torture them!
by Goosemonster on Feb 14, 2012 2:58 PM EST up reply actions
It was a brilliant idea, but it ran out of steam after a couple of seasons.
The plural of "anecdote" is not "data".
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by Draglikepull on Feb 14, 2012 2:59 PM EST up reply actions
No. It didn’t. It was the “Jack Bauer Power Hour” and it was awesome.
Kidding, it was a horrible show after awhile, but Jack Bauer was sort of like an 00’s Chuck Norris
Finally got twitter...@mapleleafmjt
by Chi-town leafs on Feb 14, 2012 6:28 PM EST up reply actions
oh well. Doesn’t seem to be an issue between Komi & Dion
Pension Plan Puppets
I hope YouTube comes down to film this.
yah I think he’ll have moved on in the last 10 years… just my guess
Kadri Fanboy since 2006
by WizardofNaz on Feb 14, 2012 10:19 AM EST up reply actions
I’m torn. He’s signed through age 33, but the cap hit is huge. On the other hand, he’s a rare talent. Not many guys can go end to end in the NHL. He has to be one of the most difficult players to defend, and he understands defensive hockey at this stage of his career.
I’m a cautious yes.
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I hope YouTube comes down to film this.
like any possible trade.
He’s has a gigantic salary but he’s still in relative prime years.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 14, 2012 9:27 AM EST up reply actions
I’m not really on the Jeff Carter bandwagon either, but if this Rick Nash stuff is an attempt to take the heat/spotlight off of Carter, i’d rather go for him instead.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 14, 2012 9:26 AM EST up reply actions
Uh, Nash > Carter. Signed for less term, better hockey player.
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I hope YouTube comes down to film this.
No argument there
$3M more cap hit, likely costs a lot more to obtain is more what i was getting at
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 14, 2012 9:28 AM EST up reply actions
I agree… for the right price yes but if it involves 5 or 6 pieces of our future then no.
I’d do a young roster player (Schenn, Kuli or Gunner) one of our top prospects (Kadri/Colborne) and a 1st. Maybe even a 2nd as well or another good prospect. We all love FartFace but I’d still toss him in a package like that.
Kadri Fanboy since 2006
6 pieces? Kovalchuk got Johnny Oduya, rookie forward Niclas Bergfors, junior prospect Patrice Cormier and a 1st for a 2nd, which were almost projected to be equal in range.
that’s like us giving Komisarek (on a good contract), Kadri, Mckegg, and our 1st for their 2nd.
Granted, Kovi was a rental though
Kovalchuk was a pending UFA who wasn’t re-signing. Nash is locked up.
Nash is also a much better player
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Kovalchuk was a pending UFA who wasn’t re-signing.
Exactly. Atlanta offered him literally the moon to stay. They had to get something for him, and fast.
Nash is also a much better player
Meh… arguable.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 14, 2012 9:33 AM EST up reply actions
I know that, there just arent really any comparables to a star player being traded, unless we go to Joe Thornton, and that’s not really a comparable because of stupidity.
The only other trades I can think of are both Heatley trades…
Milan Michalek, Jonathan Cheechoo, and a 2nd round pick.
That would be like.. Kadri (or someone a little better), Lupul maybe, though someone worse who just has inflated totals, and a 2nd.
The other one is Heatley for Havlat. We dont have a Havlat,
Heatley for Havlat has been pretty awful trade for both teams so far.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 14, 2012 9:37 AM EST up reply actions
I actually dont think Nash is a better player. Maybe more 2way, but there are very few people who have come close to Kovalchuk’s points. It depends on what you want.
Impossible to prove, but if you swapped the two and Ilya Kovalchuk was by himself for his entire career, and Rick Nash got to play with a young Dany Heatley, a resurgent Marc Savard and an in-his-prime Marian Hossa, I bet their numbers probably flip, or pretty close to it.
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I never said that’s what CBJ would get only what they COULD (not will) be looking for…
CBJ holds all the cards here, the only advantage other teams have is that Scott Howson is holding the cards backwards.
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by WizardofNaz on Feb 14, 2012 9:43 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I can’t part with Kadri, Colbourne Or Fartsy easily.
At least it's not Lebda.
by Nifty Mittens on Feb 14, 2012 9:33 AM EST up reply actions
neither can I. For a younger guy like Kopitar? Hell yes they’re all on the table, but for Carter or Nash? eh….
by Goosemonster on Feb 14, 2012 9:37 AM EST up reply actions
Why moving Nash makes sense for CBJ
They’ve been unable to surround him with the necessary level of talent to succeed. Without inside knowledge, it’s tough to imagine players don’t get despondent when the losing continues year after year.
They’re going to pick #1or #2 this year and draft Yakupov or Grigorenko. By the time those guys are really producing at a high level, Nash will be in his 30s. If you move Nash now, you can add young assets than can grow with their pick this year, and hopefully build long-lasting winner.
Nash’s salary increases every season, and CBJ have well documented $$$ issues. It was pretty shocking last summer to see them open the vault, it failed, and now they’re scrambling.
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If somehow they move both Carter and Nash and get good returns for them, they could do some serious damage in this draft.
Of course, then Wisniewski will be the best player on the team when they host the ASG…
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 14, 2012 9:35 AM EST up reply actions
I actually wish more teams would think for the future like this. You’re not contending for several seasons. Move your big assets when you can to load up for a run in 3-4 seasons. Not only that, but from a business perspective, it gives you a whole new marketing tactic.
Come see Rick Nash and scrubs lose!
or
Come see #1 pick Nail Yakupov and other young NHL stars on the new CBJ!
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it’s what small market teams often do when they are this bad, I’m guessing CBJ will move several key players to stock up on prospects and draft picks. Number 1 is pretty much a lock for them.
by Goosemonster on Feb 14, 2012 9:43 AM EST up reply actions
It's hard to complement the Senators at all
but I was actually impressed with how much value they got from their vets when they knew they were going full rebuild last season. They had 3 1sts at the draft and picked up a couple college kids as well.
It’s teams like CGY & CBJ holding onto their good players way past when their window is open that end up screwed.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 14, 2012 9:44 AM EST up reply actions
yeah because they are the “stars” and they don]t want to upset their fans. I’d be upset more if my team sucked for many years.
by Goosemonster on Feb 14, 2012 9:45 AM EST up reply actions
Though the problem is you’d be almost banking everything on one draft. Yakupov is probably a fairly safe bet, but it’s tough to be sure that the rest of the 1st and 2nd rounds will be really solid. Especially since if they’re selling Nash and Carter, it’ll be to playoff teams who will have later draft picks
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by Chi-town leafs on Feb 14, 2012 9:44 AM EST up reply actions
no, you’d have to mostly focus on young NHL talent or prospects as opposed to draft picks. At least when you’re getting a prospect, you have an idea of what he’s going to be.
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Nothing wrong with draft picks either. Look at Ottawa: 3 first round picks. Unlikely none of them become NHLers. So yeah, CBJ will want prospects, but draft picks also let you control who you bring into the organization.
by Goosemonster on Feb 14, 2012 9:48 AM EST up reply actions
You could ask for 2013 picks as well. But we all know the world would be over by then.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 14, 2012 9:49 AM EST up reply actions
CBArmageddon is upon us?
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I swear to God if the NHL locks out past the Winter Classic next year I’m going to fucking lose it.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 14, 2012 9:54 AM EST up reply actions
I refuse to believe the PA and the League would be that stupid to lose half a season within the same decade that they lost an entire season. I cannot believe any group of people would be that stupid to blow all the goodwill built up in the last 8 years
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by Chi-town leafs on Feb 14, 2012 9:57 AM EST up reply actions
I couldn’t believe they were both so stupid as to let a whole season go to waste but then it did.
by Goosemonster on Feb 14, 2012 9:58 AM EST up reply actions
Well that was to get the huge step of a hard cap. Now that there’s a hard cap the biggest issue is how to split the pie. If they can’t negotiate a few fucking percentage points of revenue and a few other minor issues…. they’re the U.S Congress
I don’t want to live on this planet anymore
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by Chi-town leafs on Feb 14, 2012 10:00 AM EST up reply actions
Ya seriously, they agreed to the deal in 2004, its worked out well for both sides. Revenues are going up, salaries are going up, cap is up. If they undo all this work, they just wasted 8 years.
Every year the Leafs don’t win a Cup is a wasted year.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 14, 2012 10:19 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
The problem is that Howson hasn’t been thinking for this kind of future. He has Umberger, Vermette, Tyutin, Methot, and Wisniewski all signed for mid-to-long term deals that are certainly overpayments. And while they’re all “serviceable” players, they’re not worth their contracts and it cuts into the ability to move them and reconstruct with better players. Particularly, the Umberger (4.6M until 2017) and Tyutin (4.5M until 2018) contracts are just stupid.
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Umberger (4.6M until 2017)
Jesus.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 14, 2012 10:13 AM EST up reply actions
Seriously. And quite a few Jacket fans are willing to act like Howson has sunshine and rainbows coming out every orifice. He has miserably failed at building a team.
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if he isn’t fired in the summer I’ll just continue laughing.
by Goosemonster on Feb 14, 2012 10:16 AM EST up reply actions
Not to kick your team while it’s down but… maybe he HAS to overpay players to get them to keep playing in Columbus.
Not saying that makes him a good GM at all, but it may be a reason for the silly contracts.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 14, 2012 10:17 AM EST up reply actions
That’s a valid point and one that holds merit. But to overpay and to give that out long term is a pain. Especially to the supposed “heart and soul of the team” in Umberger. He of all people I would have expected at market value or a discount.
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This pic sums up Howson's management style:
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by FiftyMissionCap on Feb 14, 2012 11:29 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
What’s with the poster in the background with people hanging?
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It doesn't make sense to me for non-hockey reasons
From my understanding they are struggling with fans and trading the face of the franchise may be too much. At least it seems that way to me, I guess they would have to sell it right.
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Brett Lebda is more likely to win the Norris than Columbus is to trade Nash.
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Howson and Nash have both given interviews today indicating that he’s on the block.
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by Draglikepull on Feb 14, 2012 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
Tough to bring in fans with status quo as well though.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 14, 2012 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
I am a very tentative yes, but I don’t think I would like any package that we would have to give up to get Nash.
Let’s say we send Schenn, Kadri, and a 1st. Including the Kessel deal, that would mean we’d essentially given up 5 first round draft picks in a row and still possibly not even made the playoffs once during that stretch. I may be overvaluing 1st round picks here, but I’m honestly tired of watching this team trade away its high draft picks.
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by Draglikepull on Feb 14, 2012 10:14 AM EST up reply actions
I totally agree. I want to hold onto that first round pick, and while drafting doesn’t magically make you a good team, like you said giving up 5 first round picks seems fucking dumb.
by Goosemonster on Feb 14, 2012 10:17 AM EST up reply actions
I think we’ve conclusively proven that trading away all your first round picks doesn’t magically make you a good team either
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by T is for Truculence on Feb 14, 2012 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
Funny how 3 games of getting 0 points will do that.
This has sucked.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 14, 2012 9:15 AM EST up reply actions
I remember when we had a 90% chance, it feels like last week..
Oh wait.
We really fucked that up.
At least it's not Lebda.
by Nifty Mittens on Feb 14, 2012 9:22 AM EST up reply actions
What’s worse, I thought MTL was going to win last night, and was worried their prayers were actually getting answered
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 14, 2012 9:31 AM EST up reply actions
I was at my badminton club and all these french asians popped up! (im in ottawa) and were going on and on in french about how the habs were going to win the cup this year after their 2PP goals in the second
There is so many things wong with that sentence.
At least it's not Lebda.
by Nifty Mittens on Feb 14, 2012 9:34 AM EST up reply actions
Asian joke is not fail.
Names are Capitalized.
At least it's not Lebda.
by Nifty Mittens on Feb 14, 2012 9:44 AM EST up reply actions
I see what you did there. Twice.
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by T is for Truculence on Feb 14, 2012 10:37 AM EST up reply actions
that’s what I said but apparently that’s panicking. We lose the next few games and we drop like a stone.
by Goosemonster on Feb 14, 2012 9:38 AM EST up reply actions
Actually if you factor in last nights games, we’re close to 70%. We definitely need a win though regardless.
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by theninjagreg on Feb 14, 2012 9:50 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
either that or just horrible atm
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by Chi-town leafs on Feb 14, 2012 9:50 AM EST up reply actions
yup he was a healthy scratch, apparently suprising to teamates but he’s been really useless since he came back. Let’s hope he just needs some time to get back into game shape, I mean he was out for well over 20 games, its not easy to just hop back into it.
by Goosemonster on Feb 14, 2012 9:56 AM EST up reply actions
Not that Andy Sutton is a great defender but his signing removes another potential defenceman moving at the deadline and in the offseason. Sutton, Liles, Beauchemin and Gleason were all UFA and resigned recently. Someone desperate at the deadline will have to pay a serious premium.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 14, 2012 9:43 AM EST reply actions
and likely to get suspended for a pretty significant amount of games the next time he does something stupid (which seems almost inevitable)
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by Chi-town leafs on Feb 14, 2012 9:46 AM EST up reply actions
I know it’s not quite the deadline yet, but teams are probably asking way too fucking much for rentals right now.
Sellers have to be a bit more realistic. Not every middling talent is going to be worth a late 1st or 2nd round pick.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 14, 2012 9:45 AM EST up reply actions
Prices will come down closer to the deadline me thinks. yes teams can hold onto players and trade them in the off-season, but some will want to free salary (especially small market teams without the cash to spend on a losing team) and stock up on some picks early as opposed to trying to do so later (say the draft rankings change dramatically or something, and teams want to hold onto their 1sts)
by Goosemonster on Feb 14, 2012 9:47 AM EST up reply actions
GM1: What do you want for Hal Gill?
GM2: (on Feb 1st) 1st + 2nd
GM2: (on Feb 15th) 1st rounder
GM2: (on Feb 20th) Conditional 2nd rounder, becomes a 1st if we make it to the finals
GM2: (trade deadline) …….. 4th + conditional 7th
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 14, 2012 9:51 AM EST up reply actions
Komi for a 1st and prospect
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Feb 14, 2012 9:47 AM EST up reply actions
Komi for a ham sandwich!
At least it's not Lebda.
by Nifty Mittens on Feb 14, 2012 9:49 AM EST up reply actions
Ham and a conditional pork.
At least it's not Lebda.
by Nifty Mittens on Feb 14, 2012 9:57 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
ham, mayo, lettuce and tomato. Fresh baguette. We will also send a chef’s salad in return with Komi.
by Goosemonster on Feb 14, 2012 9:58 AM EST up reply actions
Burke, get it done.
At least it's not Lebda.
by Nifty Mittens on Feb 14, 2012 9:59 AM EST up reply actions
I want that conditional Pork… we get bacon if Howson enjoys the salad
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by WizardofNaz on Feb 14, 2012 10:13 AM EST up reply actions
Sorry, the bacon has a NTC
At least it's not Lebda.
by Nifty Mittens on Feb 14, 2012 10:18 AM EST up reply actions
fuck it deals off.
Bacon or bust
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by WizardofNaz on Feb 14, 2012 10:19 AM EST up reply actions
All you have to do to get money out of Tambo is to proclaim how awesome Edmonton is and the Oilers and BAM 50% raise.
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"Believe in the direction the team is going"
$$$ from EDM or NYI
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 14, 2012 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
HEY WE’RE TALKING RICK NASH IN HERE TODAY.
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I’ve had one of those. Took a long time and lots of hydrocortisone cream to fix.
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by SkinnyFish on Feb 14, 2012 10:13 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
RICK NASH/JEFF CARTER CONTRACTS
People, the Leafs don’t give a shit how long a deal is except for philosophical reasons. They can dump it whenever they want.
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I prefer the jaunty press conferences.
At least it's not Lebda.
by Nifty Mittens on Feb 14, 2012 10:15 AM EST up reply actions
He’s also a lawyer. Burke won’t sign long-term deals himself, but I can see him taking one on – ‘Hey, I didn’t sign the contract’ – and then not feeling bad when he has to fire them into the sun 5 years from now.
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yeah but with the price they’re demanding for Carter…..basically the same as what they paid….erm no.
by Goosemonster on Feb 14, 2012 10:15 AM EST up reply actions
If Nash is only signed until 33 and the money goes up each year on the contract, then that’s not really violating the spirit of the CBA like the deals Burke has vehemently opposed (coughKovalchukcough)
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ding ding ding…
Nash’s deal is “hey lets just get your top years locked up for an increasing value each year to compensate for market value increases”
I would have to look at the deal again but I wouldn’t be surprised to see Nash’s actually $ amount increase to be close to the expected increase of the cap each year. At least that is what I hope so it fits my narrative.
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by WizardofNaz on Feb 14, 2012 10:22 AM EST up reply actions
I’m more worried about the young assets we’d be giving up when we’re still kinda in the middle of a rebuild
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 14, 2012 10:14 AM EST up reply actions
Rick Nash isn’t chopped liver and we can get young assets other ways.
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lol Nashville
At least it's not Lebda.
by Nifty Mittens on Feb 14, 2012 10:22 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
we can get young assets other ways
oh? Lots of teams starving for our middling talent?
Only non-young asset (i.e. >23,24) I see us netting anything would be Grabovski, and not many of us want to see that happen.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 14, 2012 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
have you been asleep the last 3 years? have you not seen the job burke’s done building our young asset base?
That's "Da-ooo". Like the drink.
have you been asleep the last 3 years?
I actually just woke up.
He’s done a great job, but does he have much else to give to get high picks/prospects? All the vets we used in deals are gone, and I gotta think Lebda for Franson was a gift from above would be hard to come by again.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 14, 2012 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
I also said if the cost was Kadri, Kulemin and a 1st I'd do it in a heartbeat.
I don’t really believe we could get him for that. Other teams would outbid that pretty fast IMO.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 14, 2012 10:27 AM EST up reply actions
I know I'll get shit on but I don't value Kulemin nearly as highly as everyone around here anymore.
Until I see his game change and do something more than “be defensively responsible”, he might continue to rock that 3rd line.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 14, 2012 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
Prepare to be shat on
Last year he had 27 assists. This year, he’s on pace to repeat that. Only due to his shooting luck sucking has his goals gone done. With his career avg of 11%, he’d finish somewhere between 15 and 20 goals.
A 20G, 25A player who forechecks and can PK is a solid 2nd liner on any team. He’s RFA and salary controlled so I don’t see a point in losing him. He’d be extremely hard to replace.
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Oh and I'm not done
I think his defensive contributions have gone from “extremely solid and essential” to “overrated”.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 14, 2012 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
Why are you saying these things :(
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Kulemin seems to be the one player on this team above questioning...
but he’s been one of the most disappointing to me personally, especially because I really liked his complete game for the last 2 years.
I feel betrayed a bit, I guess haha
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 14, 2012 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
I feel betrayed a bit, I guess haha
Because you let last year’s crazy shooting season for Kulemin make you think that’s going to be the norm. He had 16g, 20a two seasons ago. If you split up this year and last year, it’d be 2 seasons of 20g and 25a.
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It has nothing to do with his shooting %.
I wrote pretty heavily on this in preseason.
http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2011/8/14/2362864/kulemin-so-hot-right-now
He is suffering in part because he isn’t shooting. That has always been my complaint with him.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 14, 2012 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
And remember the discussion we had a few weeks back that basically said his overall shooting numbers are down presumably as a result of his (along with the other 2nd liners Grabbo and MacA) TOI and PPTOI have taken a considerable hit this season compared to last season?
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I don’t buy that completely either. Even last season he was shooting less and less and less as the season went on, even with great ice-time.
His less shots may be a function of his diminished ice-time, but I think he’s losing ice-time because he hasn’t been as good as other players with the ice he’s been given.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 14, 2012 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
My last issue
is his upcoming RFA contract – last time, the general speculation was that Kulemin thought he could be a 1st line fwd, Burke essentially gave him a 2 year relatively discount contract and said “prove it”.
Now at the end of that deal, he has matched almost identically the production of Brandon Dubinsky (who was fortunate enough to get his 17% shooting year in a contract year), and ended up getting a 4year x $4.2M contract.
Now, I don’t think given Kulemin’s recent down year that he’ll get the same thing. But if it’s anywhere even in the neighbourhood of that (say, $3M-$3.5M) for 3rd line defense & production, that’s an issue.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 14, 2012 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
Best forward is terms of SH Corsi who gets any appreciable SHTOI.
3rd best GAON/60 while SH
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Compared to the rest of the Leafs?
Ya sure he’s good defensively, but those comparisons are against Phil Kessel, Joffrey Lupul, Tyler Bozak… he seems to be similar defensively to Steckel and Dupuis.
Against the rest of the league? Other teams’ supposed defensive forwards? Not sure he’s top tier.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 14, 2012 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
agreed… I wouldn’t have him up against top lines such as the Sedins and feel comfortable.
Saying he’s the best we have on defense is like being proud about being the tallest Habs forward
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by WizardofNaz on Feb 14, 2012 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
Kulemin is the ideal 3rd line winger. Can pot 20-ish goals and plays well in all three zones.
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he may not be able to do it consistently.
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If Kulemin can post 20 on the 3rd line shooting 1.4 Shots/game I’ll eat my hat.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 14, 2012 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
Isn’t someone already eating their shoe for something else?
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by T is for Truculence on Feb 14, 2012 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
BCapp owes me a beer when Grabovski outscores Kulemin this year.
Pretty sure I got that one in the bag.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 14, 2012 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
Sweet Lou Franceschetti!
21 goals on 76 shots. 88-89 may still be my favourite Leaf regular season.
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by Back In Black on Feb 14, 2012 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
The thing that might help other teams is if they have a goalie to give up since CBJ is SOL there.
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Ya I said that above… I doubt Burke would include Reimer (who is definitely not a sure thing, especially in CBJ’s eyes), but LA, VAN, etc. might be willing to part with their young backup to get a talent like Nash.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 14, 2012 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
Shoot Komisarek in the face and frame Colby Armstrong. Problem solved.
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Even if they match the offer sheet they’ll be fucked capwise for years.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 14, 2012 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
yeah, cuz for every komisarek/armstrong we have, they have 3 extras
by Ben Schnell on Feb 14, 2012 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
lol Gomez
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by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 14, 2012 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
Middling?
That’s not really the overwhelming view of the prospect pool. I’d give you that it lacks the kind of huge name you can build a trade around.
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I’d give you that it lacks the kind of huge name you can build a trade around.
This is sort of how I view our prospect depth. Lots of “maybe, could be good” but not really any blue-chips. Which is a bit misleading because very few prospects outside the top 5 (or even in it! Turris, etc) can be considered blue-chips.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 14, 2012 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
That describes at least half of the league’s prospect pools.
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Ya… so middling isn’t exactly an unfair description
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 14, 2012 10:57 AM EST up reply actions
It’s right in the middle!
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by T is for Truculence on Feb 14, 2012 11:01 AM EST up reply actions
Euch
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by birky on Feb 14, 2012 10:22 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Wroth noting that Game 1 on that graph is a 4-save mop-up
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he also had a .970 in his second game. In fact, his first 5 starts were .932 or better
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Wow imagine that. The guy’s sv% was hovering around .917 and then went down after getting concussed and playing once every blue moon.
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Last Saturday’s crapfest aside, another 1-2 GA game where the Leafs give up their normal 30+ shots a game and that 10gm moving average goes right back to ~.917.
You’re being influenced by the graph starting out on an unsustainable run and going “OMG IT GOES DOWN SO MUCH!”
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Saw that last night, good chart
I’d like to see the same with ES SV%… but moreover – how does that compare to a lot of other #1 goalies’ first two seasons? I can’t imagine it’s that much worse
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 14, 2012 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
hmm depressing.
At least it's not Lebda.
by Nifty Mittens on Feb 14, 2012 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
Generally you’re supposed to start such graphs at 10 gp but meh.
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by Ubiquitous on Feb 14, 2012 10:24 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I’ll invite him to attend my class in graphography.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 14, 2012 10:26 AM EST up reply actions
Unless I’m misunderstanding the graph, you can’t have a 10 game average until the 10th game which cuts off the big drop at the beginning… making the chart look a little better
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by Chi-town leafs on Feb 14, 2012 10:27 AM EST up reply actions
The first 10 games are an illusion (and slightly misleading) because they are in fact not moving averages at all, they’re cumulative and have a different denominator than the rest of the data points.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 14, 2012 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
Also, birky should feel free to add a “Brian Gionta suck” line to the graph so we can all hate him more. (though he’s already a Hab so that might not be possible for some people on PPP)
OPERATION TANK IS A GO. It’s the only explanation for Mike Weber. He’s on a secret mission.
Yeah which game in this graph did that happen?
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by Chi-town leafs on Feb 14, 2012 10:31 AM EST up reply actions
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Mckenzie verifys
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=387786
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For the right team, CBJ’s Rick Nash is indeed available for trade. Story on tsn.ca momentarily. #tsn #tradecentre
Anybody else find it suspicious that, two weeks away from the deadline with the biggest rumoured names out there being Tuomo Ruutu and Ales Hemsky, the MSM has suddenly pulled a “Rick Nash is available” story out of their hats?
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by T is for Truculence on Feb 14, 2012 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
this years trade deadline “24 hour OMG let’s check our Black Berries on TV” special needed a kick.
Dammit Gomez.
I’m not going to lie I watched TSN’s “Road to the Countdown Towards the Day Before Tradecentre 2012” for the 5 minutes they talked about the Leafs.
Which was Dreger saying exactly the same thing he said on Sportscentre an hour before
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by T is for Truculence on Feb 14, 2012 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
The interesting part
As one source asked rhetorically, “How does a player with a No Movement Clause end up in trade talk?”
Easy answer to that one: because he’s permitted it.
About half the teams in the league would have interest in trying to secure this player, but there are probably only a handful, or less, that interest Nash.
Make no mistake, though, by virtue of his NMC, Nash is totally driving the bus on this. He effectively can dictate how many teams are legitimately in the hunt for his services and ultimately which one is his final destination.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 14, 2012 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
final destination?
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by Shield on Feb 14, 2012 11:49 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I never realized until now that if Nash ever miraculously finds himself in a deep playoff run and grows the beard to match, he’s going to have a major case of Kenny Rogers Face.
Nash to Nashville just so that he and Weber can have insane duelling playoff beards.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 14, 2012 1:02 PM EST up reply actions
Guys point 16 on 30 thoughts scares me...
16. Sounds like Mikhail Grabovski, agent Gary Greenstin and the Toronto Maple Leafs are playing a game of contract chicken. The Maple Leafs don’t want to go above $5 million, but it appears as if the player/agent equate value with the team’s highest-paid forward, Phil Kessel ($5.4 million). Who’s going to blink first?
If Grabbo wants to be the highest paid forward on the team I don’t think a deal gets done…
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Let's be clear - it's Grabovski's AGENT that wants him to be the highest paid forward.
And why shouldn’t he ask? He has a lot of leverage right now, and for certain metrics, he has a case as the best forward.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 14, 2012 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, now that this is surfaced, im going to pull up the numbers I looked up for comparing grabovski to other centers, and compare to kessel
by Ben Schnell on Feb 14, 2012 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
He shouldn’t get it IMO, I think $5M x 5 is more than fair
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 14, 2012 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
If he doesn’t ask, he’s not doing his job.
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by T is for Truculence on Feb 14, 2012 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
It says both player and agent up there… It is Grabo’s call in the end and there is no way he doesn’t know the #’s getting talked about.
If the Leafs have offered 5 and Grabo would know about it. Therefor it is Grabo as well who is holding on for more money as well.
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by WizardofNaz on Feb 14, 2012 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
Why wouldn’t he? There’s still plenty of time left on the clock. Why does he need to compromise? So our capgeek mockups work better?
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by T is for Truculence on Feb 14, 2012 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
So our capgeek mockups work better?
This IS incredibly important.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 14, 2012 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
Because if Burke doesn’t think he can get him signed to a reasonable contract he’ll move him?
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by WizardofNaz on Feb 14, 2012 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
And he’ll become a UFA at the end of the year and get his money then anyway
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by T is for Truculence on Feb 14, 2012 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
Yes but not as a Leaf. If he doesn’t want to stay a Leaf and just wants his money then lets take the picks/prospects and be done with it. Grabo would be the clear #1 on the market (minus Nash)
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by WizardofNaz on Feb 14, 2012 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
So what? The NHL is a business. We care because we’re fans but when it comes to the players team loyalty only goes so far. Wanting to be a Leaf and wanting money are not binary conditions.
I don’t understand why it’s so prevalent among this fanbase to expect players to take massive discounts to stay in the blue-and-white. I’m sure Grabbo is grateful the Leafs gave him a chance to establish himself and find success.
But as far as I’m concerned the only reasonable rationale for a player to take less significantly less is if they believe they have a chance to win and want to help the team acquire more players. But thinking there’s some kind of sentimental attachment to wearing the Maple Leaf is not.
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by T is for Truculence on Feb 14, 2012 11:46 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
*a good enough reason
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by T is for Truculence on Feb 14, 2012 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
I agree a player shouldn’t be hated on for wanting to get paid. However when a player’s financial demands doesn’t fit in with the direction of the team there are 2 options in my mind. Either the player decides staying is worth it, or the team has to let go of any emotion about said player (we all love Grabo) and make the right move by trading him.
I’m not saying fuck you grabo sign cheap I’m just saying if Grabo is thinking strictly financial then so does Burke and by the finances alone the best option at Grabo’s demands is get a kings ransom for him at the deadline.
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by WizardofNaz on Feb 14, 2012 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
If he wants to be the highest paid forward on our team, I’d definitely consider moving him, or at least look at what he might fetch.
by Goosemonster on Feb 14, 2012 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
If I’m Burke I already have a few trades outlined involving him.
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by WizardofNaz on Feb 14, 2012 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
yup, me too. Nothing like a cupboard full of prospects, or an extra 1st rounder you can combine with yours to trade up, if you want to. Optiosn are good. That said, if Grabbo will come at a fair price we should keep him.
by Goosemonster on Feb 14, 2012 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
It’s not about emotion on the team’s part. It’s about the fact that whatever Burke might get back for Grabbo at the deadline will likely not help the team make the playoffs, unless he used Grabbo as part of a package. He’s in the same situation as Nashville is with Suter.
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by T is for Truculence on Feb 14, 2012 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
Not exactly the same. But Burke has also said he doesn’t want us to make the playoffs and just get spanked. So maybe this isnt the year we buy like crazy, I think this next week is crucial. If we lose these 3 games, it might mean Burke re-thinks and decides to go for it next year and bring in some more assets. Just speculating, but I think it’s possible given our weak position right now.
by Goosemonster on Feb 14, 2012 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
I’m pretty sure that Kessel’s agent didn’t throw the $5.4 million number out there and Burke immediately agreed to it. On the contrary, the final figure is likely the result of Kessel’s agent pitching something around $6.5 million and Burke negotiating him down. So, if Grabbo’s agent is starting at $5.4 million, that’s not so bad, because the final figure’s going to end up lower.
Plekanec got $5M for 5 and scored 70 points the year before he got that. If I Burke I point to that and go “No way you’re client is getting more than that.” $4.5M for 5, or $5M for 4.
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I think it was 5 x 6
Grabbo has more goals than Plekanec but less points (IIRC). He also has had 2 good years in a row (Pleks had a good season than a bad one. Signed a one year deal, had a good season and got his big money).
Pleks also signed it a few years ago with a smaller cap. I think (hope?) it bascially comes down to more or less the same contract though. 5×5 sounds good to me (Burke doesn’t like breaking 5 years IIRC).
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‘pass’ meaning let him walk UFA? Interesting.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 14, 2012 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
at that price? sure, if they can’t move him first.
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you value players weird
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 14, 2012 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
I think Grabovski is in his peak right now. Is he going to a higher level of play like Kesler? I’d be more OK with it if he was 2-3 years younger
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Kesler’s deal is a sweetheart deal. I find it hard to compare with him.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 14, 2012 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
I can’t imagine walking away from Grabovski at that number. I’m sorry, but he just has such a solid two way game while putting up those points from a second line. Not a lot of players do that and who are you going to get to replace him?
http://bluechipprospects.blogspot.com
for 5.4 a year for over 4 years?
see you when ever the Leafs play you grabbo, thanks for the lovely dead line package
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 14, 2012 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
There’s no real reason to believe that any team in the league would offer the Leafs a sweet package for Grabovski at the deadline. Unlikely what’s he’s worth.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 14, 2012 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
why not?
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 14, 2012 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
Exactly. Grabo instantly becomes the #1 player on the board (non-Nash division). He’s the only legitimate top 6 centre available. Teams like Detroit Chicago etc need a player like him.
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by WizardofNaz on Feb 14, 2012 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
late 1st, B level prospect, conditional 2nd?
if say, Detroit thinks they are grabbo away from a Cup, they’ll pay it
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 14, 2012 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
See, I’d take Grabovski at market value over that package.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 14, 2012 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
right, but if that is what he returns, it is evident he wanted a pretty good pay day and it wouldnt pain me
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 14, 2012 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
define B level. For instance off Chicago I think Morin + 1st+ cond 2nd is a good start. And if we get Detroit and Chicago in a bidding war… watch out
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by WizardofNaz on Feb 14, 2012 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
Looking at some of the "better" returns for players in recent memory
Kaberle (1st+cond 2nd + prospect)
Penner (1st, cond 3rd, prospect)
Fisher (1st, 3rd)
Is that type of return really better than signing Grabovski to a UFA-level deal?
I’d prefer Grabovski.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 14, 2012 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
Ah yes… but he was RFA at the end of his deal, so SLIGHTLY different
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 14, 2012 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
Grabbo is the best centre available. Big difference.
by Goosemonster on Feb 14, 2012 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
best centre by a wide margin. Possibly ONLY top 6 centre available
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by WizardofNaz on Feb 14, 2012 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
Unless you try to force Parise to play C again (NJ experimented with that VERY temporarily to unite him and Kovalchuk)
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 14, 2012 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
He’s also the best C on the Leafs which makes trading him for picks a terrible idea for a team that wants to make the playoffs.
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Burke’s often said he doesn’t want to make the playoffs and get spanked. If he thinks (as I do watching this team as is) that we’ll get spanked like crazy, AND he can’t get a good price on Grabbo, he may move him. Not saying it’s likely – it’s not. But Burke doesn’t limit himself like that.
by Goosemonster on Feb 14, 2012 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
True, but I think if they make the playoffs and Grabbo does anything positive, his market will be higher come trade day. I question that the Leafs will get anything useful in the near future at the deadline so why not run out the year with Grabbo?
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Burke said he doesn’t want to trade youth for a vet just just get into the playoffs and get spanked. There’s a difference. If he adds a piece thats a longterm player and they make the playoffs and get spanked thats different.
by Nigel Cadbury on Feb 14, 2012 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
Good news
That’s a small gap to bridge. I think this gets done at $5.2M
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Tyler Bozak has 5 less points than Grabbo in three less games. Does that mean he gets 5 million next summer?
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Does Tyler Bozak play solid defence, drive play, and can he score if his linemates are guys like Crabb or Frattin?
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by Draglikepull on Feb 14, 2012 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
Tyler Bozak wins a lot of faceoffs and the Leafs seem to like him between Kessel and Lupul. How much does stock do the Leafs put into possession stats? Was Grabovski scoring a ton with Crabb and/or Frattin?
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this much
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 14, 2012 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
I mean, if you’re asking me if Bozak deserves $5m…obviously the answer is no. Is that where the Leafs & Bozak’s camp are talking year if he’s still playing ahead of Grabovski and Connolly on the depth chart? Could be.
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His two year goal and points totals are both pretty damn good. Top 15-20 for goals and top 30 for points (by a C). He deserves to be paid like a lower
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Oh no! Then we end up like Boston paying most of our players in the $4 to $5M range and don’t have to hate a player like Gomez or Richards making over $7M.
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Will those contracts come with .930 goaltending?
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Maybe it will birky. Maybe it will.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 14, 2012 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
I’m just not seeing the downside in paying a 30G, 30A puck driving machine the amount of money the market has deemed he deserves.
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It’s not that I feel he doesn’t deserve that kind of money. I think market value is somewhere between 4.5 and 5. My issue is how it affects the Leafs cap situation and future negotiations with players like Bozak, who’s up for a new deal next year
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I’m one of the biggest Bozak defenders around here, but I think that if anyone, Bozak himself included, thinks he’s going to be worth 5 million a year he is GRAVELY mistaken
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Maybe, but he’s playing more minutes than Grabovski and he’s putting up similar numbers.
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Bozak also plays with Phil Kessel and Joffrey Lupul
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His numbers really aren’t so similar. Grabbo has a lot more goals and over the last 100 GP has a lot more points too. As well there is a lot to be said that Grabbo has (basically) as much or more goals and points as his linemates where Bozak is behind in both. Pretty significantly too.
But if Bozak puts up two 50-60 point seasons (this year and next year) before his next contract he most likely gets a raise to Lombardi/Stajan money.
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All we’d need then is the best defenseman in the league and a team save percentage of .928 and we’re set.
Not sure Boston actually has a usable team-building model — they just have a great team.
http://bluechipprospects.blogspot.com
Securing the best defenseman in the league and excellent team goaltending seems like a pretty solid team-building model to me — no wonder they “just” have a great team
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by T is for Truculence on Feb 14, 2012 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
There’s only one best defenseman in the league and only one team that has a better team sv pct than the Bruins. It makes perfect sense to want those things but to say that your team building model “I’ll just get the best players at every position” is a hell of a lot easier said than done. I’m not saying a good team just materialized out of thin air as you seem to be suggesting I am, but rather that it isn’t something easy enough to replicate as to be considered a guideline for other teams to follow.
http://bluechipprospects.blogspot.com
I never said it was easy, and I think we can make a reasonable argument that Burke has tried to do the same thing with his repeated mantra of building from the net out.
But the fact is the Bruins didn’t just luck into Chara and Rask — they made shrewd moves to get both. One through trade, one through free agency.
Thomas though, was a bit of a found wallet.
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by T is for Truculence on Feb 14, 2012 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
Right, but my point is that this isn’t a model. Model’s are supposed to be reasonably easy to replicate. If you say, “we’re just going to pay all our forward $4.5M and keep trying to land top-3 goaltending and a top-3 defenseman” then you’re going to be waiting an awfully long time to have the chips fall in line for you.
http://bluechipprospects.blogspot.com
Finding the right players is going to take more time then I hoped. The Phaneuf was a great steal. The top center on the strong teams usually come from drafts rather then signing (Toews, Getzlaf (cup year), Staal, Giroux, Kopitar, Kesler, Datys, Bergeron, Backes). Richards on the rangers is an exception but at his size/cap hit I think Burke did the right thing passing on him. He also passed on Bryz, on long contract and I’m not sure how goalies are acquired on top teams.
We basically need to hope that all our A-tier prospects (Kadri, Colborne, Gardiner) develop well. Which means waiting, sadly.
http://bluechipprospects.blogspot.com
And filling in new guys behind them. (ie, Blacker and McKegg)
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Yep. As much as it stings, I think we need one more year of doing what we did last trade deadline — bringing in nice prospects for nice players like Grabo and MacArthur. It sucks hard but we’re just short on peak value assets
http://bluechipprospects.blogspot.com
This needs a PPPPoll: Leafs will be
A) Buyers
B) Sellers
C) Status Quo
Can define buyers/sellers as whatever you want.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 14, 2012 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
Can I pick option d) bit of both
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by WizardofNaz on Feb 14, 2012 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
Well maybe, but not really
If we’re selling Grabovski/MacArthur/etc. we’re sellers.
Doesn’t mean you can’t compete for playoffs but that’s selling roster players for futures.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 14, 2012 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
What if we trade Grabo and Mac for futures but also trade for Nash… what does that count as?
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by WizardofNaz on Feb 14, 2012 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
That was selling IMO. I get that it can be interpreted in different ways.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 14, 2012 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
If we lose Grabo and a couple people like Schenn and Mac and end up with Nash and the overall prospect/picks are kinda a wash is that buying or selling. I’m basically talking we trade our roster players for other roster players. Mostly our quantity for some quality.
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by WizardofNaz on Feb 14, 2012 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
You could talk me into moving out a couple of guys to open up spots for Kadri & Frattin and to keep building that pipeline.
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I'm all for this for the right price, and the right players being shipped out.
I’d love to keep Grabovski but a good deal of other players I’d move if a decent offer came along, for the reasons you’ve stated. (roster room for Kadri/Frattin)
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 14, 2012 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
If Grabovski wants >$5mil
Trade Grabo + Kule + Gysbers/Holzer + pick for Nash?
by LeftNutForAStarCenter on Feb 14, 2012 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
why does columbus want grabovski?
why are gysbers and holzer that valuble?
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 14, 2012 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t think Gysbers has much value at all… he’s like 11th or later on the Leafs depth chart (NHL through AHL)
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 14, 2012 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
Why doesn't CBJ want grabo?
I’d take grabo over dubinsky?
Gysbers probably not, then Holzer, who has been heavily scouted and has the potential to be a shutdown guy, plus Kulemin just a year removed from potting 30G and still an RFA
I’m working from the basepoint of the Rangers’ offer being Dubinsky/Kreider/1st.
by LeftNutForAStarCenter on Feb 14, 2012 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
Hell
swap out holzer for schenn if they want a surer thing. Gives us more money to resign Gunnarsson
by LeftNutForAStarCenter on Feb 14, 2012 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
Except do you think Grabo would resign with CBJ? he’d peace out quick
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by WizardofNaz on Feb 14, 2012 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
They’re rebuilding and out of the playoffs.. why do they want a rental player who’s a UFA at the end of the year?
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Ah true
UFA status complicates things…sign and trade?
by LeftNutForAStarCenter on Feb 14, 2012 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
Why would Grabovski do that? He’d lose a lot of leverage and he doesn’t owe shit to CBJ.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 14, 2012 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
If we can sign him for a decent deal I’d rather keep him.
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I agree
I would resign Grabo for anything less than $5mil
but if the talk is true and he’s looking for Kessel money…
by LeftNutForAStarCenter on Feb 14, 2012 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
In Kulemin’s last negotiation, it was rumoured that he wanted $3M+ and ended up signing for $2.35M.
I wouldn’t be shocked if this $5.4M stuff was just to anchor his value that high.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 14, 2012 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
yes but the fact remains if he’s not budging from that # by Feb 27th Burke might balk and trade him thinking he’s going to lose him anwyays
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by WizardofNaz on Feb 14, 2012 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
I’ll be shocked if he gets traded by the deadline. Shocked.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 14, 2012 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
If he’s not budging from his highest paid forward demands I wouldn’t be one bit.
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by WizardofNaz on Feb 14, 2012 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
Somebody will probably give him more
I could see Grabovski garnering more as a FA. I just hope burke can work some magic and get him signed for under $5, or get good value in return
by LeftNutForAStarCenter on Feb 14, 2012 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
so the nash talk
has just blown up on twitter. Im seeing a lot of Oilers fans wanting him.. why and how the fuck im not sure.
I also saw this guy:
KC @KCarreau72
I’d consider Schenn, Kadri, Grabovvski, Kule/Mac for Rick Nash and maybe a spec
that is not what we want.
I’d consider Schenn, Kadri, Grabovvski, Kule/Mac for Rick Nash and maybe a spec
Nashmania is going to run wild over casual fans.
Oilers fans? Really? They already have some crazy forward talent… they need defense. And maybe goaltending.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 14, 2012 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
If Columbus could pry Pajaarvi and/or Eberle out of Edmonton, along with their 1st and something else, I’d do it
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by T is for Truculence on Feb 14, 2012 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
MPS and Eberle have wildly different values however.
That 1st would be huge… CBJ could be picking 1 and 2 at the 2012 draft.
And they’d still likely have no defense.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 14, 2012 11:06 AM EST up reply actions
Undoubtedly. Trading Eberle would be stupid. But if Edmonton really wanted Nash that’s what Howson would be asking for. Not Ales Hemsky.
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by T is for Truculence on Feb 14, 2012 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
No way Nash waives for Edm… he’s trying to get out of a rebuilding team with no defense or goaltending…
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by WizardofNaz on Feb 14, 2012 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, but then he’d get to use his winter tires.
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by T is for Truculence on Feb 14, 2012 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
But he’d lose the ability to run around in his underarmour whenever he wants
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by WizardofNaz on Feb 14, 2012 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
This Alberta back-to-back is make or break. I don’t see us beating Vancouver (we may get a point if we’re lucky), so getting points here is crucial.
Also, I will be at the game in Edmonton tomorrow and don’t much feel like drowning my sorrows in Rexall beer.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Feb 14, 2012 11:10 AM EST reply actions
Shhhh....
We’re too busy trading for Nash to worry about the measly play-offs anymore.
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by not norm ullman on Feb 14, 2012 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
Rick Nash on the Block:
Favorites right now are Vancouver and LA……..iffy’s are likely Boston, St. Louis, NYR, Washington and Detroit
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by LeafFan1989 on Feb 14, 2012 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
I know it's because Nashville doesn't have a lot of cash
but Nash to Nashville for Lindback + bunch of high-end D prospects might be just what Nashville needs to stay competitive enough to keep Suter/Weber from leaving
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 14, 2012 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
Nashville makes too much sense, which is why it won’t happen.
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by Draglikepull on Feb 14, 2012 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
plus Nashville would have a third (?) of the cap in 4 players, which is crazy
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by CameronSorley on Feb 14, 2012 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
They’d of course then be paying Suter, Weber, Nash and Rinne like >50% of their budget.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 14, 2012 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
Trade Suter to get back some of the assets you lose in the Nash trade. Use the Nash trade + the assets you’ve gained for Suter to convince Weber that Nashville is committed to winning.
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by Draglikepull on Feb 14, 2012 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
Nashville is in Columbus’ division which is why it won’t happen.
Which is also a good thing because it means that he won’t go to St. Louis which would also terrify me
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A StL CBJ trade intrigues me.
Stewart+ Bishop+ 1st could be a great haul for columbus… or maybe even get that Tarasenko kid…
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by WizardofNaz on Feb 14, 2012 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
Look if that’s the package then a) Columbus would have just got fleeced; and b) I think they immediately become the favourites in the West.
If they can keep Tarasenko in the fold and add him next season, yikes.
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I’d be watching the Blues closely.
They’ve quietly put together a nice nucleus of good young players, and a pretty solid prospect pipeline. Hitch has them playing some damn good hockey.
And they’re going to close their sale and have ownership that will invest more than the cap floor in salaries.
They could jump a level and become a Western powerhouse pretty quickly.
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I’m likely making Halak a keeper in my non-PPPPP2 league because of it.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 14, 2012 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
Radulov is a lost cause. They’ve been trying to convince him to come back for years. He’s rolling in the money over there, and could only get 900k in the NHL due to some antiquated rule that got grandfathered.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 14, 2012 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
the funny thing is that now he only needs to play out that one year and he’s ufa and can cash in.
But the KHL throws money at him so why should he bother?
OPERATION TANK IS A GO. It’s the only explanation for Mike Weber. He’s on a secret mission.
tax free money too. I guess some people value playing in their home country + lots of money rather than being in teh best league in the world, what can you do? let him play there i guess.
by Goosemonster on Feb 14, 2012 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
Actually I saw an interview with David Poile recently and apparently he wants to come back to the NHL.
by 9 Dollar Beer on Feb 14, 2012 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
They’ve been trying to convince him to come back for years
Every year it comes up.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 14, 2012 1:02 PM EST up reply actions
.
You also get to abuse your coach in the KHL. 
by jeffgm on Feb 14, 2012 1:00 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Whoa
Just saw this. Where did it come from? Its unbelievable…
by ChrisFromParadise on Feb 14, 2012 4:51 PM EST up reply actions
I actually think hes about 50/50 to play next year
by Ben Schnell on Feb 14, 2012 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
He may come back yet, apparently he kept his house and car in Nashville and such.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Feb 14, 2012 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
yep, I just hope he stays in the West
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by LeafFan1989 on Feb 14, 2012 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
vancouver has zero cap space, who do they send back that isnt a core member of the team?
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 14, 2012 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
oh man, Hawson would be all OVER that
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 14, 2012 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
Hodgson, Raymond, Schneider, Salo would fit cap wise
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there would need to be a 1st in there
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 14, 2012 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
yeah, there would have to be, Hawson will need it to shout rebuild
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 14, 2012 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
yep, CBJ would be fools not to take that deal
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by LeafFan1989 on Feb 14, 2012 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
Finally, someone who understands!
http://theleafsnation.com/2012/2/14/dating-within-the-division
Except replace ‘Saturday’ with ‘4 terrible, terrible games against Boston this season’ and that’s just about how I’ve felt.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Feb 14, 2012 11:24 AM EST reply actions
According to our boy Jeffler
Aulie is getting the call up
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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#TeamHolzer for the lose
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 14, 2012 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
Holzer missed the last Marlies game. I think he has the flu or flu-like symptoms or whatever
http://bluechipprospects.blogspot.com
seems to indicate they plan on playing Aulie. They could have recalled Holzer if they were just going to sit him in the press box.
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Or maybe they’d rather have Holzer play with the Marlies and have Aulie ride pine with the Leafs? I donno
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by happiergilmore on Feb 14, 2012 3:04 PM EST up reply actions
looks like Aulie is riding pine tonight anyways.
by Goosemonster on Feb 14, 2012 3:17 PM EST up reply actions
Gunnar out, Aulie in?
God help us all.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Feb 14, 2012 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
Aulie might see the bench, Komi likely draws in
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 14, 2012 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
As bad as you at hitting the reply button?
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by FiftyMissionCap on Feb 14, 2012 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
apparently, I feel shame
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by CameronSorley on Feb 14, 2012 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
sort of like when Aulie gets caught standing and is beat straight to the net by a forward?
by Goosemonster on Feb 14, 2012 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
According to Friedman, it sounds like Nash has submitted a small list of teams he would be willing to accept a trade to. Would Toronto be one of them? He is from Brampton and played his OHL stint in London. That being said, presumably if he’s willing to leave Columbus, he wants to go to a contender, right? In which case the Leafs wouldn’t be a likely destination.
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Would be interested to see him in NYR. Is it possible to win while being that top heavy? I’m curious to know.
http://bluechipprospects.blogspot.com
Apparently Lundqvist putting up .940s makes their defense amazing.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 14, 2012 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, it’s amazing how good your D looks when your goalie is that good
http://bluechipprospects.blogspot.com
Although can you imagine if you added Marc Staal back in while Lundqvist is standing on his head? NYR seem pretty legit so far.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 14, 2012 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
Howson took in the Rangers – Flyers game the other night and reportedly has a in-person meeting with Holmgren last week
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Is there a big name Philly hasn’t been a part of in the last few years?
Maybe Kessel
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 14, 2012 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
Philly and New York are listed in every rumour relating to every big player who may theoretically hit the trade or free agent market. I’m guessing someone is a little over-eager in leaking those two teams’ names.
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by Draglikepull on Feb 14, 2012 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
Philly and New York are listed in every rumour relating to every big player who may theoretically hit the trade or free agent market
I hate to be ‘that guy’… but so is Toronto.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 14, 2012 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
Brayden Schenn on the move again, with Bobrovsky?
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I guess they can’t move Bryzgalov with that NMC… too bad.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 14, 2012 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
that contract is hilarious
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 14, 2012 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
Not necessarily a contender this year…
He could want a stable organization who he can win with for years to come. Leafs could very well fit that criteria
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by WizardofNaz on Feb 14, 2012 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
Franchise that is not in a perpetual rebuild of disarray like Columbus?
If that’s his criteria, pretty much everyone but Edmonton and the Islanders make the cut.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Feb 14, 2012 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
Sure, but why not go to a franchise with stable ownership AND a shot at the Cup, like the Rangers?
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by Draglikepull on Feb 14, 2012 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
Because on the rangers, if you have a big contract and don’t perform, you get demoted to the minors.
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That’s this year… what about the next 6 after this that Nash has to consider too… With the Rangers still be a cup contender in 5 years? or does the Leafs and their youth and skill present more of a shot over the next 6 years?
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by WizardofNaz on Feb 14, 2012 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
NYR has a lot of youth and skill too.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 14, 2012 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
I thought they were older but still… Gaborik is 30 today, Richards is 31, Lundqvist is 30 in 2 weeks. In 6 years all 3 of their best players will be old
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by WizardofNaz on Feb 14, 2012 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
In 6 years all 3 of their best players will be old
In 6 years lots of teams best players will be old.
They also have Callahan, Anisimov, Stepan, Hagelin, Marc Staal, McDonaugh, Sauer, Del Zotto…
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 14, 2012 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
true… Like I said I thought they were older than they were… but losing those 3 from your team takes you from cup contender to playoff contender
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by WizardofNaz on Feb 14, 2012 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
“Contender” is a pretty fluid definiton. Not only from one years’ standings to the next, but also in reference to what the team’s make-up looks like pre and post Nash trade.
If the Rangers are a contender right now but have to blow up a big chunk of their roster to take on Nash, are they still a contender?
If the Kings can add Nash without sacrificing too much off their current roster, they would become a contender.
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With Lundqvist, they are a contender
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by LeafFan1989 on Feb 14, 2012 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
it seems as thought the Leafs don’t have “enough” to give to the BJs
Schenn/Kadri/Colborne/1st isn’t “enough” I personally think that’s too much to give, seems the price is ridiculous
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by CameronSorley on Feb 14, 2012 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
Burke needs to work up a 3 way trade
CBJ get a Brob from Philly (or a goalie Kings)
Leafs get Courtierier or #1 center
Philly/Kings get Nash
Then a 5th round pick to whomever to make it work out
by jeffgm on Feb 14, 2012 12:20 PM EST up reply actions 7 recs
Uh in this scenario Leafs give up… nothing.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 14, 2012 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
hahahaha…………..that’s right confuse them and get Nash, perfect
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by LeafFan1989 on Feb 14, 2012 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
Wait… so we give Philly Nash, and we get Bobrovsky… why are you here again Burke
We get Couturier to even it out.
Oh….oh.
…
…
…
Okay.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 14, 2012 12:34 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
im fucking laughing out loud at work right now haha
by Ben Schnell on Feb 14, 2012 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
It depends. If he views us as moving up towards a contender status, he may want that knowing he would become a god here. But its also a lot of pressure, and we arent guaranteed even making the playoffs this year. Who knows. But I dont know if a real contender team is willing to part with the shitload of assets it will take to get him, if they already are performing well.
by Goosemonster on Feb 14, 2012 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
Keith Aulie is 22 and has 55 NHL games played. That means he has 15 more games before he becomes eligible for waivers. Should be interesting to see how the Leafs play this one if Gunnarsson is out for an extended period.
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by birky on Feb 14, 2012 12:13 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
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Aki Berg scored that game. That calls for a celebration in and of itself.
by Bobby Paradise on Feb 14, 2012 12:40 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Pavel Bure played 30min and scored a hat trick, but he still lost because of Trevor Kidd. I think I actually remember that game.
later, or earlier, I can’t remember, we were to lose due to Trevor Kidd as well.
by Goosemonster on Feb 14, 2012 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
Antropov had a goal and an assist but only had 6 shifts and 4 mins of icetime? Must have gotten hurt.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 14, 2012 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
NHL Players are dumb, catty people.
Check out the ‘easiest to intimidate’ list on PD.
On pace for 90 points; perennial 30+ goal scorer
Two 100+ point players
Former 40g scorer
Perennial 70+pt player
Rocket Richard winner; perennial 30 goal scorer
Yup, they sure seem like they cave to ‘intimidation’.
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Oh boy, here we go with the chirps from other fanbases
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 14, 2012 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
It’s like the Sedin Sisters crap people give the Canucks. I may not like Vancouver, but I respect the skill of the Sedins.
Same thing here: the people chirping Kessel would probably love that level of offense on their own team.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Feb 14, 2012 1:04 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Sedins take a lot more shit than they deserve.
Even though they get INSANE ozone starts – that’s not their fault, AV uses them like that. Should they be penalized and ridiculed because they’re being properly used as offensive machines and not on the PK?
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 14, 2012 1:06 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
They’re not defensive-minded players and never will be. But Vancouver has a fair number of players (e.g. Kesler) that can take on that role in their top six. Why put the Sedins out defensively when it’s clear offense is their forte?
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by FiftyMissionCap on Feb 14, 2012 1:10 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly. They even asked to play the PK and Vineault is like "fuck that noise, offensive zone only".
They’re just using their assets properly.
You don’t put Kessel as PK unit #1 and you don’t put Darryl Boyce on PP unit #1. Why? ‘Cause that’s not what they’re fucking good at.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 14, 2012 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
Also
Is it any wonder that Henrik is holding the current Ironman record the way he’s used and style he plays? Not really. Healthy players are productive players. Note very guy can be a hardchecking shotblocking motherfucker. Those guys get hurt.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 14, 2012 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
Vancouver is pretty fucking lucky that they have a second line in Booth-Kesler-Higgins that they can put against difficult competition at both ends of the ice.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Feb 14, 2012 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
How do you know if you’ve intimidated Phil Kessel? He gives a shy, awkward smile, and then gets really quiet?
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by Bower Power on Feb 14, 2012 1:03 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Then he dances around you and scores on your goalie.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 14, 2012 1:04 PM EST up reply actions
Hey know what else Kessel and the Sedins are 1-2 in?
Scoring by two players on the same line!
Get bent, player polls.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Feb 14, 2012 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
Pretty much. All these polls show is that NHL players are some crazy jealous people. Make more money than me? Overrated. Put up more points than me but prone to scoring streaks like everyone else? Easily intimidated.
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Seems likely that Komi draws in
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No no, dig UP stupid.
No
Gunnarsson was put on the IR. Aulie was called up.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 14, 2012 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
Aulie is also on the ice so who fucking knows
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 14, 2012 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
yeah I just hope we do Komi. i was team holzer anyways, stil don’t know why he doesn’t get a chance to play a game but whatever.
by Goosemonster on Feb 14, 2012 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
And we’re Leaf fans. Overanalyzing is our thing.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Feb 14, 2012 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
JOKING ABOUT A TRADE IS FORBIDDEN
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 14, 2012 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
we were really close to a deal for a ham sandwich, but someone demanded turkey.
by Goosemonster on Feb 14, 2012 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
jonasTSN1050: Jonas Gustavsson appears to be tonight’s starter.
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No surprise. 4 ES goals for Reimer on Saturday. I had a sad.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 14, 2012 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
Gunnar
jonasTSN1050: Gunnarsson on IR with ankle injury. Will miss at least seven days.
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Gunnar asked Rosehill to injure him so that Burke couldn’t deal him at the deadline.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 14, 2012 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
Just say no to Rick Nash
He is a wonderful player and in a lot of situations I would kill to have him on the Leafs. But in a cap system with 6 years left at 7.8 million, him being 27 and on pace for one of his worst seasons, and the bounty it will cost to acquire him from the team where he is basically an embodiment of the franchise. I just have to say no.
About time that people finally realized how awesome Gunnar is...
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His contract isn’t that bad. If we weren’t paying Komi and Army a combined 7.5 million, there’s Nash. He’s an amazing player on a terrible, terrible team. I agree we shouldn’t pay a King’s ransom for him, but if its the right price I would be willing to take him. Rather him than Carter, all things considered.
by Goosemonster on Feb 14, 2012 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
but for fun, let’s say the leafs offer a package. A package that Columbus would probably consider would have to include Schenn + Colborne/McKegg + a 1st
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McKegg’s value is highest with Leaf fans like us, let’s be honest. He’s a throw-in into a deal (which means I probably wouldn’t trade him unless some other team magically over valued him)
by Goosemonster on Feb 14, 2012 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
taking my blue tinted glasses off then
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As the 300+ comments above kind of surmise, the contract itself doesn’t bother me nearly as much as all the picks/prospects/roster players that would go back the other way.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 14, 2012 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
yup that’s about right. Depends on what they ask for.
Cuthbert (TSN):
Ok #Leaf fans. To get Rick Nash would you give up Schenn or Gardiner and Kadri or Colborne, Kulemin a 1st R choice and another prospect
My answer: ABSOLUTELY NO. Not going to happen.
Again Cuthbert:
blah blah blah…..Wants Gardiner, Colborne, Kulemin and 1st
Again no. Nopers.
by Goosemonster on Feb 14, 2012 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
Take out Gardiner.
But you guys all know how I feel about Kulemin’s play lately.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 14, 2012 2:09 PM EST up reply actions
To be honest, if it were Kadri, Kulie, and a 1st….I’d be ok with that. Not Schenn or Colborne though…and certainly no Gardiner
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I dunno about that. I’m not saying who I would want, but I think some would argue COlborne over Kadri
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You can't teach 6'6"?
I’d take Kadri over him any day of the week, but some people get very very frustrated by his constant turnovers.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 14, 2012 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
Right now, I’m can’t give a definitive answer. I’m honestly unsure
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I think Kadri has improved noticeably every time he’s been called up to the Leafs. I think he will be a very good player in a few years.
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by Draglikepull on Feb 14, 2012 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
Improved, yes. Still not enough to oust any of the Top 6 really though.
Still fancy as shit, still making some frustrating plays. Not disagreeing though.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 14, 2012 3:22 PM EST up reply actions
I think the only reason he’s not in the lineup right now is waivers. If he doesn’t get traded, I’d say odds are about 99% that he’s on the opening day roster next season.
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by Draglikepull on Feb 14, 2012 3:23 PM EST up reply actions
He needs a hole opened for him on the roster. That’s why I’d almost rather we be sellers at the deadline (or the offseason). Other than Grabovski.
Frattin needs a spot soon too.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 14, 2012 3:26 PM EST up reply actions
I agree with this.
I’d rather sell off guys who may be able to get playoff teams over the hump (like Connolly/Lombardi/Komisarek, Liles even), to clear out spots for our youngsters. Frattin to me, though he didn’t necessarily have an easy time scoring, is the most NHL-ready in the AHL right now, though his ceiling is admittedly lower.
by LeftNutForAStarCenter on Feb 14, 2012 4:37 PM EST up reply actions
that said
I would give my left nut for Rick Nash on the Leafs, even if he isn’t a center
by LeftNutForAStarCenter on Feb 14, 2012 4:37 PM EST up reply actions
I also think Frattin is best fit for the 3rd line
Whereas Kadri needs first or second line players to excel.
by LeftNutForAStarCenter on Feb 14, 2012 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
To be honest, there never was a spot for him in the top 6. There’s no one for him to take it from. The slot was on the 3rd line, and that line isn’t going to put up a lot of minutes or points.
by Goosemonster on Feb 14, 2012 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
But I don’t think that’s true any more. With Bozak at the 1C spot and Kulemin slumping, we’ve got a wing spot on the #2 line and then an offensively capable 3rd line that can put up points. Burke isn’t going with the T6/B6 thing any more meaning Kadri on the 3rd line with Connolly and Kulemin/Lombo/Armstrong isn’t a horrible place for him at this point.
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I would keep Colborne because the Leafs are thinner at C in the prospect pool than at W.
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It’s think it’s a wash scoring wise between those two.
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I think it’s a wash*
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not when you look at the stats it isn’t. Colborne has proved little. he could be good, he might not be at the NHL level. Kadri has gotten better each time he’s calledup. Purely based on past performance, Kadri’s higher in development.
by Goosemonster on Feb 14, 2012 3:30 PM EST up reply actions
Kadri is .9 in the AHL, Colborne is .83 with the Marlies. That’s 8 points over 82 games, not a huge gap.
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so you take out a full season in Providence? Not sure if serious….
by Goosemonster on Feb 14, 2012 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
Two-thirds of a season when he was buried on Providence’s depth chart. He’s been utilized as a top six forward with the Marlies and produced as such
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I understand that and its a factor, but you can’t just throw out a whole season when calculating his production. It is a caveat, but when you consider their past two AHL years as a whole there’s a clear leader. Now maybe Colborne keeps this up next year, in which case his .83 production will be more justified as a stat.
by Goosemonster on Feb 14, 2012 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
Colborne was playing 3rd line in Providence. Kinda hard to compare numbers
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It was probably only the first 13 games of the season.
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by Draglikepull on Feb 14, 2012 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
Let’s be honest, Burke would trade anyone other than Kessel or Phaneuf to land Nash. Burke has repeatedly said he wants an impact player, a forward with size who can play in the top 6. There isn’t going to be a player who fits that bill better than Nash to hit the market. If Burke really does want what he says he wants, and based on Burke’s willingness in the past to doggedly chase after players he wants, I suspect he would be willing to overpay to land Nash.
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by Draglikepull on Feb 14, 2012 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
you’re probably right…although are the Leafs on Nash’s “list”
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My heart says yes but my head says Nash might not want to deal with all the craziness/hype that would come along with being a Leaf in his home city.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 14, 2012 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah
I’ve wanted Rick Nash in the blue and white pretty much from the moment I first heard of him. He would be a hero in Toronto, hometown boy and all. It’s possible that’s a deterrent for him too though, as he doesn’t strike me as the kind of guy who necessarily really wants the spotlight on him at all times. He would be a god in Toronto though.
by LeftNutForAStarCenter on Feb 14, 2012 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
Not many stars from Toronto end up playing here. Whatever, I just wanta unicorn and I don’t care where they’re from.
by Goosemonster on Feb 14, 2012 4:46 PM EST up reply actions
Is that it… I mean as to why so many people think we should or really need to get Nash? I know he’s a very good player on a very poor team so we really don’t know how good he can really be but is it what we need or is it if you can land someone like him you do it?
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there’s overpay and then there’s mortgaging the future. The first deal is definitely the latter, and I think the second one is close to that too.
by Goosemonster on Feb 14, 2012 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
the thing is, if Burke thinks JvR can be that guy, he’ll cost less assets and has a lower cap hit.
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Maybe, and I would far rather acquire JVR given the cost. But I think Nash is exactly the kind of player Burke wants, and when Burke decides he wants a player, he really zones in on him.
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by Draglikepull on Feb 14, 2012 2:23 PM EST up reply actions
Also, what if JVR is part of the cost for Philly to acquire Nash (which I think he probably would be)?
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by Draglikepull on Feb 14, 2012 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
I have difficulty seeing them go after Nash. Pronger could be done, Timonen is old, Carle is a UFA.
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If they let Carle go they’re dumb.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 14, 2012 3:05 PM EST up reply actions
He would make lots of coin on July 1
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 14, 2012 3:05 PM EST up reply actions
Pronger’s hanging out on LTIR for the remainder of that contract.
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I’m hoping he gets healthy again because it hurts the Flyers.
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I wonder what will happen if he actually does get healthy again but the Flyers don’t have the room or don’t want to play him.
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by T is for Truculence on Feb 14, 2012 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
He can file a grievance to make them add him to the roster if he’s healthy.
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Or he can continue making millions to do nothing and not risk ruining his brain with another concussion.
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I dont know how much of a concern that is for Pronger, given how anti-visor he’s been even after being hit in the eye.
by Goosemonster on Feb 14, 2012 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
Your brain isn’t your eye. If you lose an eye your vision is reduced, if you lose two eyes you can’t see, if you lose your brain you’re dead.
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Hockey players are not the smartest people in the world. Plus Pronger might want more Stanley Cups.
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I’m not saying he won’t come back to play, but really, in his situation, would you want to go through a douchy process and sour your relationship with a team that’s paying you 5m/year to do nothing?
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Flyers could pull a Laperriere with him and make him a team ambassador or give him some front office role or something.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Feb 14, 2012 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
Well once they do that isn’t he kind of off the IR and back on the cap? I think until his K expires, if they want to keep him on LTIR, they need to act as if they expect him to return.
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I think there will be an injury-forced retirement clause for those deals.
Everyone knows Savard isn’t playing again, niether is Laperriere.
Let the player officially retire, still give them their money. And don’t make Marc Savard pretend like he’s going to play over the next 6 years.
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I agree, if its a career ending injury it shouldn’t harm the team long-term.
by Goosemonster on Feb 14, 2012 4:27 PM EST up reply actions
Or the player. For Marc Savard he could retire today and it would do nothing to the Bruins long term caphit because its not a 35+ contract. However Savard has to give up like 30mil. What incentive is there for him to retire?
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I always thought that was a perverse rule, though I know they did it so players wouldnt sign like a 4 year deal at 35 and then retire at 37. I think the next CBA will fix this, it’s pretty clearly a problem. The team still has to pay, but it either shouldnt count against their cap (my preference) or it gets limited or something like that.
by Goosemonster on Feb 14, 2012 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
I’m not worried as much about the 35+ ones as the Savards… if you retire you forfeit the rest of your contract. If you are forced to retire you shouldn’t have to give up the money you negotiated for in good faith. Pronger won’t retire for 3 more years even if it didn’t count against the cap because he wouldn’t give up 18.2 million. He’d probably walk away from those 2 years at a combined 1.05 mil but not the 18.2 mil
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exactly, but they should give players/teams that option to offically retire. In 6 years we are going to have Marc Savard announce his retirement and everyones gunna be like “wait what?”. Also Marc Savard can’t move on with his life in that time either. If he wanted to take up coaching or anything he wouldn’t be allowed because it would show he isn’t “trying to come back” even when we all know he isn’t anyways. Also for these next 6 years Boston is working with only 49 SPC slots because of something neither they nor the player could control.
I’m thinking allow the teams/players if they both agree to turn a SPC into a personal services contract. Player gets the money and team gets their SPC slot back and not have to worry about the bs pretend time
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I’d like to be paid 5 million to do nothing. A professional hockey player with pride like Pronger? I don’t know about that.
by Goosemonster on Feb 14, 2012 4:09 PM EST up reply actions
Semantics
Technically, $7,200,000, $7,000,000, $4,000,000, $525,000, and $525,000 thanks to cap-circumventing contracts.
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Other players on the block with Burke connections: Dustin Penner. BE AFRAID.
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Ugh
Don’t remind us.
Although if anyone could turn a salary dump into a superstar it’s Burke…
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 14, 2012 3:05 PM EST up reply actions
everyone above me disappoints me. I was hoping for pancake puns, but received nothing.
by Goosemonster on Feb 14, 2012 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
He wouldn’t come to Toronto anyways, there are no IHOPs in Canada.
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Incorrect.
I went to an IHOP in Vancouver (well, Surrey…) once.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Feb 14, 2012 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
This scares me because Penner would probably want to come to Toronto just as much as Burke wants him, we’re the only team in the league where the fans throw pancake like objects on the ice (waffles).
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Penner for Komisarek
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 14, 2012 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
Of course. I was being facetious, LA would never take Komisarek.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 14, 2012 4:00 PM EST up reply actions
I do too, I’m just not sure Burke is in love with his salary or the cost.
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Good point
I think you’re right that Burke would chase Nash. A core of Nash, Kessel. Phaneuf would make me giddy, and I think a slight overpay, as long as it isn’t a serious detriment to the future, would actually be ok. This is all from the bias of my having a serious SERIOUS man-crush on Nash.
by LeftNutForAStarCenter on Feb 14, 2012 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
Prospects
Why do so many people value Colborne more than Kadri? Don’t get me wrong, I’m a Colborne fan, but I would say that Kadri is both the safer prospect and the prospect with the higher ceiling.
http://bluechipprospects.blogspot.com
Both have their issues, both still young
Kadri higher pick, 1 year younger, but is fancy as hell
Colborne was producing like crazy in the A (something Kadri hasn’t been able to do as much, although still pretty damn good), and both didn’t exactly light up the world when called up to the NHL
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 14, 2012 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
Colborne’s ‘lighting up of the AHL’ only started this year. Look at his numbers in Providence — they’re abysmal. Kadri has similar numbers to Colin Wilson and Cody Hodgson at this stage in his career. I like Colborne quite a bit but I place a higher value on Kadri
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I would add that taking Colborne so high in the draft was a gamble by the Bruins. He is the first Junior A player to go in the first round in the last 30 years.
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by GreatKingRat on Feb 14, 2012 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
?
Kyle Turris the number 3 overall pick and NHL central scoutings top ranked prospect says hi
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I’d sure like to have Colorado’s first round pick, as Washington does. Daaaaaaaaaamn.
by Goosemonster on Feb 14, 2012 2:56 PM EST up reply actions
my mistake, thought you were referring to Yakupov. I should have known better. Still I’ll take 59 points in 31 games.
by Goosemonster on Feb 14, 2012 2:57 PM EST up reply actions
ugh Kyle Turris is not a good example to draw on.
by Goosemonster on Feb 14, 2012 2:55 PM EST up reply actions
My bad. Should have said he was the first AJHL player taken in the first round since Brent Sutter in 1980.
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by GreatKingRat on Feb 14, 2012 2:57 PM EST up reply actions
I think it is more a random stat than anything else
Players like Colborne and Turris are Canadians (so they aren’t in the USHL) who want to play in the NCAA so they don’t want to play in the major juniors.
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he’s had consistently better AHL numbers.
by Goosemonster on Feb 14, 2012 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t know why. 3SA, but Kadri’s shown more at the NHL and AHL levels than Colborne has.
by Goosemonster on Feb 14, 2012 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
I think it stems from the size difference. Even though Colborne doesn’t use his physical gifts as effectively as most….the dream is that he could be the big, skilled, physical C to play with Kessel and Lups
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But for now it’s just that – a dream. Kadri is pretty clearly going to be an NHLer, probably a 2nd liner but that’s nothing to sniff at. Colborne? I don’t know, I’d need to see him up here more.
by Goosemonster on Feb 14, 2012 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
Actually they’re both born in 1990.
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by happiergilmore on Feb 14, 2012 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
Different birthdays and draft rules
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Yeah I know, born after a certain date and you’re not eligible (Kessel was something like 2 days younger than the cutoff date, so he went in 06 instead of 05). But my point was they’re actually the same age, if you want to get technical
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by happiergilmore on Feb 14, 2012 11:51 PM EST up reply actions
Classic Hodge
TSNDaveHodge: Rick Nash says he will veto any trade to a team that is worse than Columbus.
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by TheNadger on Feb 14, 2012 2:55 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
That’s an odd way of saying in no way, shape, or form that will he veto a trade.
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by SkinnyFish on Feb 14, 2012 2:56 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
yeah I was just wondering, who is even remotely as bad as CBJ?
by Goosemonster on Feb 14, 2012 2:56 PM EST up reply actions
Hodge was making a joke about how bad CBJ is.
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by Draglikepull on Feb 14, 2012 2:57 PM EST up reply actions
Only by about $2 million or so.
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by Draglikepull on Feb 14, 2012 3:12 PM EST up reply actions
I know Boston's defense is apparently "above reproach", but with a D core consisting of:
Chara, Seidenberg, McQuaid and Boychuk
next year, shouldn’t they be looking to add? Or are they expecting Dougie Hamilton to jump right into the lineup?
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 14, 2012 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
I cant wait to a see what that defense will look like sans Chara
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I’m guessing a lot like what Anaheim’s looked like once Pronger was traded and Beauchemin left via UFA
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 14, 2012 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
Pretty much
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Rumour is that they want to add Suter if he makes it to UFA.
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by Draglikepull on Feb 14, 2012 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
Rumour has it about 25 teams what to add Suter
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Sure, but “Hi, we’re a Cup contender with plenty of cap room and you can be Chara’s partner” is probably about as good a pitch as he’s going to get.
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by Draglikepull on Feb 14, 2012 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
I’m just being an ass
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Competing with DET and PHI to be sure. Man, Suter is going to be a fucking billionaire if NSH lets him walk.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 14, 2012 3:23 PM EST up reply actions
Even still, I would love to see how good Rask and Thomas are behind a Charaless Bruins team for an extended period of time.
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Our “offense” is Kessel, Lupul and Grabovski
I wouldn’t want to see what our team looks like without those three either
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by T is for Truculence on Feb 14, 2012 3:31 PM EST up reply actions
Hate the player if you want, but MacArthur’s 17 goals is only 1 behind Grabovski’s.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 14, 2012 3:33 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
True. But Skinny listed three so I listed three. And I think it’s reasonable to say our offense starts with those three
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by T is for Truculence on Feb 14, 2012 3:48 PM EST up reply actions
For forwards it does. I think Phaneuf and Liles are a big part of our offense in terms of getting the puck up the ice and making good decisions in the o-zone.
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Regardless of combination, you take three top players off any team and that team will be worse. It’s kind of like, you know, taking out 13 games. Of course the numbers will change
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by T is for Truculence on Feb 14, 2012 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
Nash watch shall make deadline day more interesting
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Until we realize the entire thing was concocted by the media in order to make deadline day more interesting.
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meh, stuff likes this always happens. I wouldn’t be suprised to see one of the Ducks’ top three back in the mix once they finally realize they are out of the playoffs. Definite trades? Absolutely not, but this seems like a year it goes down to the wire, so who knows?
by Goosemonster on Feb 14, 2012 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
Speaking of things concocted by the media, have the Habs traded for Vincent Lecavalier yet?
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that would be amazing
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 14, 2012 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
At least it was before Pac and Subban were in the NHL… but still.
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 14, 2012 4:41 PM EST up reply actions
who backed out?………..if Tampa did they really screwed themselves
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I can’t imagine the riots after that deal.
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by elseldo on Feb 14, 2012 4:44 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Riots? They’d throw a parade. A number one center with a French last name?
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as much fodder as it provides, its just the media and a small but annoying minority that cats about that.
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by elseldo on Feb 14, 2012 4:48 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
And its just a small minority that riot as well.
Lets say that there are 1million habs fans (round number) and only 10% are hardcore french only coaches. That is still 100K people. Same with if only 1% of fans were rioters thats still 10K people.
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we don’t have to ruin all the assumptions.
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by elseldo on Feb 14, 2012 5:07 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Unreal. God I wish that trade had gone down.
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Offer sheet Franson?
Just curious what people think – Below is a list of UFA dmen this year. If you were a rival GM looking for dmen, would you offer sheet Franson for $3-3.1M a year and if no, who on this list do you think you could sign for that amount and would be better than Franson over say a 3 year period. We all think he’ll get resigned around $2-2.5m but an offer sheet closer to $3m could screw us right over. Compensation would be a 2nd rd pick at $3.1m (jumps up to 1st and 3rd at $3.2M).
This list isn’t inclusive there could be better guys I’m missing, just tried to grab bigger name, impact players – also I didn’t include 35+ players. Keep in mind a lot of these players will probably be resigned by their own team.
Ryan Suter 26 $3.5
Matt Carle 27 $3.4
Jason Garrison 27 $0.7
Dennis Wideman 28 $3.9
Shane O’brien 28 $1.1
Carlo Colaiacovo 29 $2.1
Barret Jackman 30 $3.6
Johnny Oduya 30 $3.5
Bryan Allen 31 $2.9
Kurt Sauer 31 $1.8
Jim Vandermeer 31 $1.0
Brad Stuart 32 $3.8
Michael Roszival 33 $5.0
Cory Sarich 33 $3.6
Pavel Kubina 34 $3.9
Willie Mitchell 34 $3.5
Joe Corvo 34 $2.3
Filip Kuba 35 $3.7
Sheldon Souray 35 $1.7
Not worth it. I mean, a couple of picks for Franson is definitely worth it, but having to fight Burke in a barn seems like it’s more trouble than Franson’s worth.
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Sure, a GM could offer-sheet him, but they’d have to meet Burke in a barn for a fight to the death.
by Goosemonster on Feb 14, 2012 4:41 PM EST up reply actions
Franson would be a prime target for an offer sheet if GMs were actually willing to use them. Which they aren’t.
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by Draglikepull on Feb 14, 2012 4:57 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t think anyone offer sheets Franson.
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by nhlcheapshot on Feb 14, 2012 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
@Eklund Nash to the Kings looks done.
I’m not linking, because fuck him, but yeah keep this one on ice for when Nash actually goes somewhere else.
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I saw that and wondered if anyone would post it.
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by elseldo on Feb 14, 2012 4:40 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
but what if he is right?
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 14, 2012 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
He’s got a 1/29 chance i guess.
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unless Columbus trades Rick Nash to Columbus for their 1st round pick. What a steal!
by Goosemonster on Feb 14, 2012 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
1/27
See: earlier reference to Edmonton/NYI and jumping one sinking ship to another.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Feb 14, 2012 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
Bernier penner hunter and a pick
A .900 goaltender, an out of shape pending UFA on pace for 10 goals, a 31yo pending UFA with 11pts, and a middle round pick; FOR RICK FREAKING NASH!
Looking for 100% confirmation. But it is a VERY strong rumor
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yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah I don’t think Columbus is that stupid. We could top that offer in 10 seconds.
by Goosemonster on Feb 14, 2012 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
if they are I’ll assume they throw in their first rounder with Nash, just because fuck it.
by Goosemonster on Feb 14, 2012 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
wow, if that is the best offer Hawson can get…..
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 14, 2012 4:44 PM EST up reply actions
I mean, I know they need a young goalie, but there has to be a Kadri like prospect and that pick better be a 1st before Columbus even cracks a smile
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 14, 2012 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
If Howson tried to get that trade to go through, Bettman should have it vetoed and Howson fired on the spot. Simply no way it’s real.
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WTF
If Burke doesn’t offer something better than that I’ll be upset.
by LeftNutForAStarCenter on Feb 14, 2012 4:49 PM EST up reply actions
……..you should tweet him.
Dammit Gomez.
by elseldo on Feb 14, 2012 4:49 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
lol
Luckily it’s just Ecklund and not someone with any knowledge about deals or hockey in general, whatsoever.
by LeftNutForAStarCenter on Feb 14, 2012 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
Looking for 100% confirmation Eklund is a fucking moron. Oh, there it is.
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I hope YouTube comes down to film this.
by birky on Feb 14, 2012 4:51 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Still checking for 100% confirmation. To be clear, the rumor is Nash to La for bernier, penner, hunter, and a pick.
Oh we heard you the first time.
make no mistake about it. if this rumored deal is true I don’t understand the thinking one iota. just reporting from a LEAGUE source.I totally didn’t make this up on my own guys. Honestly. A source within ‘the LEAGUE’ told me about why. For realsies. Blame him for lying if it’s not the truth, no me.
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He didn't specify the LEAGUE was the National Hockey League.
Maybe he meant the show. You know, the one with Jon Lajoie in it.
No no, dig UP stupid.
by nhlcheapshot on Feb 14, 2012 5:03 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Waiting for confirmation = god I hope someone reputable mentions something about Nash in the next half hour.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Feb 14, 2012 5:08 PM EST up reply actions
Helene Elliott @helenenothelen
Kings source sez no truth to recent rumor that Nash is coming to LA
Retweeted by Incarcerated Bob
by LeftNutForAStarCenter on Feb 14, 2012 5:19 PM EST up reply actions
incarcerated bob, he’s worse than Eklund, spends more time hyping rumours that he mentioned 3 months ago (when everyone else on the internet was saying “hey that’s a good idea”) and talking shit about Eklund than he does actually spreading rumours
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 14, 2012 5:21 PM EST up reply actions
I find his posts flaming Eklund to be occasionally funny, it’s not his refutation anyway
by LeftNutForAStarCenter on Feb 14, 2012 5:23 PM EST up reply actions
it’s not funny, its lame, “hey look at this guy who makes shit up! now ignore me while I make shit up”
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 14, 2012 5:24 PM EST up reply actions
And Eklund's Reply as though he's just glad to hear confirmation
Hockey Buzz Eklund @Eklund
Finally someone adds some further clarification: RT: @helenenothelen Kings source sez no truth to recent rumor that Nash is coming to LA
by LeftNutForAStarCenter on Feb 14, 2012 5:22 PM EST up reply actions
Let's consult the Eklund chart!
E1 = wrong.
E2 = wrong.
E3 = wrong.
E4 = wrong.
E5 = officially confirmed by TSN about 5 minutes ago.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Feb 14, 2012 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
*E5 offer not valid for Ryan Smyth trades. Some tinfoil hat assembly required.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Feb 14, 2012 4:44 PM EST up reply actions
You're giving him too much credit
E5 = officially confirmed by ESPN about 5 minutes ago.
fixed.
OPERATION TANK IS A GO. It’s the only explanation for Mike Weber. He’s on a secret mission.
Well
I could see him going to the Kings. It’s actually make sense.
Something built around a combination of:
Bernier and / or Johnson
1st rounder / prospect (Kings have a good pool)
Probably a guy like Penner or Stoll going back the other way.
I don’t see Nash being dealt within the Western Conference.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Feb 14, 2012 5:08 PM EST up reply actions
McKenzie says these are just guesses, but his guesses on the teams Nash might accept a trade to includes some combination of Boston, NY Rangers, Philadelphia, San Jose, and Toronto, with LA and Vancouver being outside shots.
The plural of "anecdote" is not "data".
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so really good teams, a team that should be really good and the Leafs
eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeenteresting
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 14, 2012 6:14 PM EST up reply actions
We got a chance!
Useless comments since 2009.
by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 14, 2012 6:53 PM EST up reply actions
Carolina failed at pretty much everything this season
Darren Dreger @DarrenDreger Close
Because of interest in resigning him and now injury, Tuomo Ruutu is no longer a trade option.
No no, dig UP stupid.
Good decision.
Eric Staal had his worst season ever this year. Him rebounding next year will be the most important thing for the Canes.
They’ve already got Jeff Skinner, and they get to add a high end prospect this year. Ryan Murphy has a high upside. Staal is only 27, so he should have a few high quality years left. Nodl – Sutter – Dwyer are a good checking line actually (their BehindTheNet numbers are solid).
They don’t need to tear it down and sell everything for lottery tickets (also known as the Edmonton Oilers Method). How are they going to replace all those guys, particularly the defensemen? Gleason resigned at a good number.
They have a good group, and its going to get better. They will probably be n the mix next year. I don’t now why you are all acting like these are stupid moves, and at the same time you laugh at Edmonton.
they should trade the fuck out of Ruutu
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 14, 2012 7:46 PM EST up reply actions
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